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| dims | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 30 16:00:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dims. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| dims | courtesy ping for GheRivero, amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, harlowja, haypo, | 16:00 |
| dims | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, spamaps | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| dims | courtesy ping for sergmelikyan, sreshetnyak, sileht, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek, gcb | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 16:00 |
| sileht | o/ | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:00 |
| gcb | o/ | 16:00 |
| jecarey | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | yo yo | 16:01 |
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| kragniz | o/ | 16:01 |
| dims | kick things off :) Welcome to our new oslo core - welcome gcb!! | 16:01 |
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| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:01 |
| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 16:01 |
| sileht | gcb, welcome ! | 16:01 |
| bknudson | congrats to gcb | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | yaaaa welcome! | 16:01 |
| bknudson | well deserved | 16:01 |
| amrith | ./ | 16:01 |
| gcb | It's really excited to become an Oslo core reviewer. Thanks, everyone :-). | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 16:01 |
| ozamiatin__ | o/ | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | welcome to the team, gcb! | 16:01 |
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| dims | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:02 |
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| bknudson | nothing for keystone. | 16:02 |
| johnsom | Nothing here | 16:02 |
| johnsom | (Though I have been out of the office) | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | just curious how it goes with deprecation warning on 'obsolete' oslo.messaging driver aliases. | 16:03 |
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| dims | liaisons, please take a look at lifeless' openstack-spec for backward compats https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226157/ | 16:03 |
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| dims | lifeless is looking for feedback on that | 16:03 |
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| dims | ihrachys : don't think we have nailed that yet | 16:04 |
| johnsom | Ok, will have a look | 16:04 |
| dims | thanks bknudson johnsom | 16:04 |
| dims | #topic Releases for Mitaka | 16:04 |
| dims | Does anyone need releases today? please file reviews in openstack/releases repo. | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases for Mitaka (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:04 | |
| dims | any specific requests for this week? | 16:05 |
| * harlowja_at_home thinks some people still in turkey coma lol | 16:05 | |
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| dims | exactly, just wanted to be sure | 16:06 |
| dims | #topic cleanup oslo-incubator | 16:06 |
| dims | Please bid fond farewell to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245461/ | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "cleanup oslo-incubator (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:06 | |
| dims | please cast your vote to cleanup oslo-incubator code, will +2A it later today! | 16:06 |
| dims | yay! | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:06 |
| dims | dhellmann wanted to give it a proper sendoff | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:06 |
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| harlowja_at_home | does that include a burial at sea? | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | we all built it, we should all have a role in killing it :-) | 16:07 |
| dims | treat it as a pirate? :) | 16:07 |
| bknudson | the incubator repo still exists? | 16:07 |
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| dhellmann | it does still, I think, have some of our tool scripts in it, doesn't it dims? | 16:08 |
| bknudson | I'm wondering if we delete the repo or the coce | 16:08 |
| dims | Now, question was, what to replace it with, lifeless to the rescue again | 16:08 |
| dims | dhellmann yes, just yanking out the code for now | 16:08 |
| dims | will completely cleanup later in the cycle | 16:08 |
| dims | #topic Policy Spec Review | 16:08 |
| dims | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247902/ (Replace incubator with unstable libraries.) | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Policy Spec Review (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:08 | |
| dims | bknudson just the code in that review | 16:08 |
| * harlowja_at_home also not sold on v1, v2... | 16:09 | |
| dims | in the spec review, please note the v1/v2 package names for public api | 16:09 |
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| dims | alternatives are very welcome. my alternative is to just say what we did before, "till library is 1.0, anything can change" | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, i like that... | 16:09 |
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| harlowja_at_home | thats more normal imho | 16:09 |
| gcb | So, some useful stuff can move to oslo.* like #https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249107/ | 16:09 |
| dims | gcb : let's try to keep that to a minimum | 16:10 |
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| bknudson | if the code isn't backwards compatible then how to release without breaking everything? | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, and if a library releases a 1.0 and everything is all broken, well thats why debtcollector exists and such, to make it so that u can change things in a manner that works as people use your library... | 16:10 |
| dims | bknudson : we file reviews in consumers first and then release | 16:10 |
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| dims | just like we catch backwards incompat bugs today | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | +1 v1/v2/v3 starts to feel like ummm, we can do better... using known patterns of how to do better... | 16:11 |
| dims | i just did not want to formalize on v1/v2 names as they tend to NOT go away | 16:11 |
| bknudson | maybe we'll have caps on libs for tox eventually | 16:11 |
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| dims | any way let's add stuff to the review please | 16:12 |
| dims | #topic Stuck Spec Review | 16:12 |
| dims | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103825/ (OSprofiler cross service & project profiling) | 16:12 |
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| dims | boris-42_ is trying really hard to get projects to accept the concept and agree on implementation | 16:13 |
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| dims | please take a look as this is something that will affect a lot of projects | 16:14 |
| haypo | (crap i forgot the oslo meeting) | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:14 |
| dims | my specific feedback was what changes we needed in oslo.messaging and oslo.db, that was not clear to me | 16:14 |
| dims | haypo : haha | 16:14 |
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| dims | oslo.messaging was relying on a class that we were yanking out and oslo.db was relying on a global thing that Nova no longer uses | 16:15 |
| dims | for examle | 16:15 |
| dims | example | 16:15 |
| rpodolyaka | dims: I'll take a look at oslo.db part | 16:15 |
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| dims | another point of contention was if we can switch it off completely for projects that do not want it enabled by default | 16:16 |
| gcb | agree, we need a way to disable it | 16:16 |
| dims | so liaisons, please take a look at the review, there's one in openstack-specs as well i think | 16:17 |
| dims | boris-42_ : are you around? | 16:17 |
| * harlowja_at_home although i do wonder if the projects that think they want to enable it don't quite understand how useful it is | 16:17 | |
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| dims | jd__ : around? | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | *that think they don't want to enable it | 16:17 |
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| dims | harlowja_at_home : yes, hence the ask for reviews. last time there was significant pushback from nova folks i think | 16:18 |
| rpodolyaka | I didn't look at the spec, but I thought the idea was to have it enabled by default and triggered by special API requests | 16:19 |
| rpodolyaka | so you don't profile all the time | 16:19 |
| rpodolyaka | but you don't have to enable it explicitly and restart the services either | 16:19 |
| dims | rpodolyaka : right, in the oslo-spec, what does that mean to our libraries | 16:19 |
| rpodolyaka | ack, will take a look | 16:19 |
| dims | thanks! | 16:19 |
| dims | #topic New Spec Review | 16:19 |
| dims | #link https://review.openstack.org/243114 (Pluggable CMDB for oslo.config) | 16:19 |
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| dims | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247668/ (message compression proposal) | 16:19 |
| sileht | api call relies of a hmac, if deployer doesn't set the hmac we can't enable it | 16:20 |
| sileht | if we put a default value, we introduce security issue | 16:20 |
| rpodolyaka | sileht: got it. thanks! | 16:20 |
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| dims | sileht : interesting | 16:20 |
| dims | sileht what do you think of using driver-supported compression | 16:20 |
| sileht | dims, I like :) | 16:20 |
| dims | sileht, kgiusti : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247668/ | 16:21 |
| dims | ozamiatin__ ^^ | 16:21 |
| sileht | dims, I was thinking of using msgpack in the past as a new message format, but the compression approach looks better | 16:21 |
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| ozamiatin__ | dims: +1 already) | 16:21 |
| dims | tcammann : i think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243114/ is ready now | 16:21 |
| kgiusti | interesting... | 16:21 |
| dims | lxsli : you had looked at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243114/ as well, please take another look | 16:22 |
| * harlowja_at_home woah we have messages that pass through openstack that are dozens of MB in size :-/ | 16:22 | |
| harlowja_at_home | sounds like, ummm, that should be fixed, ha | 16:22 |
| sileht | harlowja_at_home, I agree that's ugly | 16:23 |
| dims | kgiusti : one thing that ozamiatin__ and others were looking at was, if we could do a compression before we hit the driver. but apparently some drivers like zmq using pickled stuff | 16:23 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home : +10000 | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | crazy ugly, lol | 16:23 |
| dims | kgiusti and kombu for example has compression built in | 16:23 |
| kgiusti | dims: amqp1 driver doesn't have compression built in | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | which messages are these? any idears? (scheduler select * hosts message?) | 16:24 |
| kgiusti | dims: so something above the driver would be the only option atm | 16:24 |
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| lxsli | dims: re-reviewed that this morning | 16:24 |
| dims | also another issue that crops up is rolling upgrades | 16:24 |
| dims | lxsli thanks! | 16:24 |
| haypo | we can just ask some stats on message sizes in a comment on the spec | 16:25 |
| kgiusti | dims: IIRC nothing in amqp1 needs access to the msg contents, so pre compressed isn't a problem | 16:25 |
| dims | kgiusti : so would it be ok for some drivers to use "above the driver" and some use "in the driver"? | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | haypo, +1 | 16:25 |
| kgiusti | dims: we should allow for that IMHO | 16:25 |
| dims | kgiusti : cool, please chime in on the review when you get a chance | 16:25 |
| sileht | about upgrades, just a description of how the driver should take care of the new format should be suffiscient | 16:25 |
| kgiusti | dims: will do | 16:25 |
| dims | dhellmann, harlowja_at_home : would love your input to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243114/ | 16:26 |
| dims | oslo.config changes are scary :) | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, yup, i'll look over that one again, i'm fine with it honestly, it will be interesting to see where it goes, | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | dims : yes, I'm deeply skeptical of this being a good idea | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:26 |
| haypo | can we stop making *everything* pluggable in openstack please? | 16:27 |
| dims | dhellmann : the idea is for a container to start up say using keystone, and when the container is starting up, it pulls the configuration needed to start itself | 16:27 |
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| harlowja_at_home | haypo, impossible! | 16:27 |
| dims | haypo : use case ^^ | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:27 |
| haypo | (i didn't read the spec) | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | the central config service becomes a single-point-of-failure for the entire cluster, it introduces all sorts of complexity and synchronicity issues, *and* it doesn't eliminate the need to have client-specific configuration (client id at least) on each node | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | dims : sure, I understand it, I just think it's a bad idea ^^ | 16:28 |
| dims | lol :) | 16:28 |
| dims | please let's tell them about potential problems :) | 16:28 |
| dims | #topic Open discussion | 16:29 |
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| dims | Any other stuck reviews? | 16:29 |
| dims | open floor | 16:29 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so another option is to have oslo.cmdb or something that provides common cmdb -> oslo.config translators or something | 16:29 |
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| dims | amrith : kzaitsev_mb : kragniz : jecarey : anything from your side? | 16:30 |
| haypo | yes, i would like your opinion on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250731/ "Fix request_id type on Python 3: use text (Unicode)" IHMO my change fixes a bug in oslo.context, but dhellmann complains (as always) that "i break the API" | 16:30 |
| sileht | If people can take a look to this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234716/, and tell me if this looks good or not or need a spec to discus | 16:30 |
| haypo | my change only impacts python 3, and i checked most openstack projects, to update them (see the comments and dependency list) | 16:30 |
| amrith | dims, nothing from my side. I thought there was something to bring up last week at the meeting but it turned out to be a false alarm. | 16:30 |
| dims | sileht : does it break API for python 2.7? | 16:30 |
| kzaitsev_mb | dims: nothing here either | 16:31 |
| * dhellmann refers haypo to the number of library releases in the last year blocked from global-requirements because of breaking API changes | 16:31 | |
| sileht | dims, I guess you mean haypo | 16:31 |
| dims | oops yes | 16:31 |
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| dims | dhellmann : right | 16:31 |
| haypo | dims: my change is specific to python 3, it doesn't change oslo.context on python 2 | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | sileht, i'll look over for that today | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | haypo, is python 4 out yet? | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | haypo : so you're saying that things will only break when applications start trying to port to python 3? | 16:31 |
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| dims | haypo : so if we break, we'd break python3 unit tests | 16:32 |
| haypo | dhellmann: the major risk is breaking voting python3 jobs | 16:32 |
| bknudson | don't even joke about python 4. | 16:32 |
| dims | bknudson : haha | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | haypo : right. | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:32 |
| bknudson | I think request ID is bytes is a bug. | 16:32 |
| bknudson | should be text | 16:33 |
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| dims | haypo : you have looked for and ran tests on lots of projects already right? | 16:33 |
| dims | amrith : thanks | 16:34 |
| haypo | dims: "major" projects yes | 16:34 |
| dims | haypo : and searched using codesearch.openstack.org too | 16:34 |
| * harlowja_at_home just learned about codesearch | 16:35 | |
| haypo | dims: cinder, neutron, nova, ceilometer, heat | 16:35 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home : that was intentional plug :) | 16:35 |
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| haypo | dims: yes. but i'm not sure that my search is enough to find all cases | 16:35 |
| dims | haypo : let's drop an email to the -dev list as heads up, wait for all the Depends-On to merge that you filed already | 16:36 |
| haypo | bknudson: "I think request ID is bytes is a bug. should be text" exactly. oslo.log currents write lines like [b'req-83a6...' 54492... - - -] ... | 16:36 |
| dims | and then let the change in | 16:36 |
| haypo | dims: an email to [all]? | 16:36 |
| dims | haypo [oslo][all] | 16:37 |
| lxsli | dhellmann did offer a way around this | 16:37 |
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| dims | haypo : what's the counter to doug's work around? | 16:38 |
| dims | quickly rip off band-aid? :) | 16:39 |
| haypo | dims: sorry, which work around? | 16:39 |
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| dims | haypo : "Instead of changing the return type of this function, we could add a new function that returns a unicode string, deprecate the old function, and update all of our applications to use the new one " | 16:40 |
| haypo | dims: my problem is the .request_id attribute, i don't care of the generate_request_id() function, i guess that it's not called directly (but i didn't check) | 16:40 |
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| haypo | dims: i don't want to deprecate the .request_id, it's like used everyone (i guess) | 16:40 |
| haypo | everywhere* | 16:41 |
| dims | ack thanks haypo | 16:41 |
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| dims | any other reviews or things to discuss? | 16:41 |
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| lxsli | dhellmann mentioned a multi-callback system on um... | 16:41 |
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| lxsli | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251422 | 16:42 |
| * harlowja_at_home should try to write up an oslo blog entry soon | 16:42 | |
| dims | harlowja_at_home : ++ | 16:42 |
| harlowja_at_home | i swear i'm gonna finally do it! lol | 16:42 |
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| lxsli | From taskflow. Is that a thing? | 16:42 |
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| dhellmann | lxsli : yeah, I really thought at the summit we said we wouldn't put callbacks into oslo.config at all, so I'm surprised to see it growing support for handling multiple callbacks. | 16:42 |
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| harlowja_at_home | lxsli, define thing :-P | 16:42 |
| harlowja_at_home | taskflow is a thing, ha | 16:42 |
| lxsli | dhellmann: I was in Nova meetings the whole summit so please educate me | 16:43 |
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| dhellmann | lxsli : the idea is that since the service-level code receives whatever signal to trigger the config reload, it can handle that, the application updates, and any other libraries at the same time | 16:43 |
| lxsli | dhellmann: what's your solution and will it take more than 6 months to achieve? | 16:43 |
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| dhellmann | lxsli : I'm just saying this code needs to live somewhere else. | 16:44 |
| lxsli | dhellmann: OK seems fair - then I'd like to remove the singular hook before oslo.config releases next | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | oslo.config is at the bottom of the stack right now, and we don't want to make it really complicated | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | lxsli, http://docs.openstack.org/developer/taskflow/types.html#taskflow.types.notifier.Notifier was an idea, but i think we didn't want to go there yet, but maybe people still want to | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | lxsli : yes, I'll +2 that change if you ping me | 16:44 |
| lxsli | will do, cheers | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | dims : is this what you remember? ^^ | 16:44 |
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| dims | dhellmann : don't recall, will find my notes later | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | dims : ack | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | I'm trying to remember if that was an oslo session, or if it was the cross-project session on reloading config data. Probably the latter. | 16:45 |
| dims | dhellmann : yes, it was probably the latter | 16:45 |
| * harlowja_at_home thinks it was the latter | 16:46 | |
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| dims | as i did not attend it LOL | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | dims : oh, right | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home : were you in that session? am I remembering correctly? | 16:46 |
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| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, don't think i was, i just heard your results from what i remember | 16:47 |
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| harlowja_at_home | (your summary) | 16:47 |
| haypo | 17:30 < sileht> If people can take a look to this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234716/, and tell me if this looks good or not or need a spec to discus | 16:47 |
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| harlowja_at_home | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cross-project-dynamic-config-services dhellmann dims i think that was the one | 16:48 |
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| dims | k let's take this to our channel and let everyone else go. | 16:49 |
| dims | thanks everyone! | 16:49 |
| harlowja_at_home | np | 16:49 |
| dims | #endmeeting | 16:49 |
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| catherineD|2 | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 30 19:00:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD|2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:00 |
| catherineD|2 | roll call | 19:01 |
| pvaneck | o/ | 19:01 |
| catherineD|2 | pvaneck: hi .. maybe a quiet week ... | 19:02 |
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| pvaneck | yea, maybe. still kinda recovering from my vacation | 19:02 |
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| catherineD|2 | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-15-11-30 | 19:04 |
| catherineD|2 | not a lot to discuss today ... just want everyone to review Andrey Pavlov's patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249160/ | 19:05 |
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| pvaneck | so with this, does tempest automatically know about the ec2 tests? | 19:07 |
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| pvaneck | also should these additional test requirements be installed by default? | 19:08 |
| catherineD|2 | all this should do is to enable external testing whether it is in-tree swift test or ec2 tests or any other in-tree tests | 19:08 |
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| catherineD|2 | that is something we should discuss after review this patch ... this patch should enable external test cases testing which should be configured by the user .... However, in the future if DefCore requirement includes external test then these tests should be installed/configured automatically .. | 19:12 |
| pvaneck | will need to try it out | 19:14 |
| pvaneck | for the case of swift, it seems that the additional plugin code is still needed | 19:14 |
| catherineD|2 | yea we need to test this out ... | 19:15 |
| catherineD|2 | I want to thank Andrey to submit this patch ... it is a good start .. | 19:15 |
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| pvaneck | in any case, I think we should review some of the refstack patches as well | 19:19 |
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| pvaneck | and maybe try to get the user association patch in soon | 19:19 |
| catherineD|2 | yup | 19:19 |
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| catherineD|2 | pvaneck: it is 25 mins after .. I think we can end the meeting for this week unless you have anything to discuss ? | 19:26 |
| pvaneck | nope, all good here | 19:26 |
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| catherineD|2 | ok thanks for joining ... | 19:26 |
| catherineD|2 | #endmeeting | 19:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 30 19:26:57 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-11-30-19.00.html | 19:26 |
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| kfarr | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 30 20:00:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kfarr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| elmiko | hello/ | 20:00 |
| kfarr | Welcome back from Thanksgiving! | 20:00 |
| kfarr | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| arunkant_ | o/ | 20:00 |
| silos | 0/ | 20:00 |
| diazjf | o/ | 20:00 |
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| elmiko | wb to you as well kfarr =) | 20:01 |
| edtubill | o/ | 20:01 |
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| jmckind | o/ | 20:01 |
| jhfeng | o/ | 20:01 |
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| hockeynut | o/ | 20:01 |
| kfarr | As usual, the agenda can be found here: | 20:01 |
| kfarr | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:02 |
| kfarr | Lots of Barbicaneers today! | 20:02 |
| kfarr | #topic Action Items from last meeting | 20:02 |
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| kfarr | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-11-23-20.00.log.html | 20:03 |
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| alee | o/ | 20:04 |
| kfarr | Oh, rellerreller just made it | 20:04 |
| kfarr | Did everyone review the federation use cases? | 20:04 |
| kfarr | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-federation-use-cases | 20:04 |
| elmiko | a little bit, not extensively | 20:05 |
| kfarr | Alright, we'll just keep that action item open | 20:05 |
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| kfarr | #action everyone review the federation use cases | 20:05 |
| kfarr | The next action item was to meet to discuss the Castellan context objects | 20:06 |
| kfarr | There was a good chat with alee, elmiko, and diazjf | 20:06 |
| elmiko | +1 | 20:07 |
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| dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:07 |
| kfarr | Was there any follow-up notes or etherpads? | 20:07 |
| hockeynut | dave-mccowan buys the donuts next week :-) | 20:07 |
| diazjf | kfarr, alee, elmiko, Still going over SAML to determine how we should create the Barbican Auth Middleware. I'm planning on updating it soon. | 20:07 |
| elmiko | kfarr: none that i've seen | 20:07 |
| elmiko | diazjf: ack | 20:07 |
| kfarr | Great, thanks diazjf! Do you have the link to the blueprint handy? | 20:08 |
| diazjf | kfarr, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241068/ but I have yet to update it | 20:08 |
| kfarr | Ok, great. I'll just put that as an action item for next week then | 20:09 |
| kfarr | #action diazjf to update the Barbican context blueprint | 20:09 |
| kfarr | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241068/ | 20:09 |
| kfarr | alee, there was another action item from last week about the cinder volume encryption blog post | 20:10 |
| alee | kfarr, yeah -- I'm still working on it .. | 20:10 |
| kfarr | alee, ok thanks! I'll just keep that action item on there because I'm interesting in seeing the finished product! | 20:11 |
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| kfarr | #action alee to post blog post on testing Cinder volume encryption | 20:11 |
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| kfarr | lisaclark1, there was a note last week about hotel recommendations, did you have a chance to pull together a list? | 20:12 |
| kfarr | Also, lisaclark1 do you have the link to the eventbrite page? | 20:12 |
| kfarr | Maybe lisaclark1 is busy, we'll just keep that on there for next week | 20:14 |
| kfarr | #action lisaclark1 to post links to hotel recommendations and mid-cycle eventbrite link | 20:14 |
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| kfarr | There was an action for me to work on the next release of Castellan, which is out there, version 0.3.0, so action item completed | 20:15 |
| kfarr | I think that was it for action items | 20:15 |
| kfarr | On to the meeting items.. | 20:15 |
| kfarr | #topic mitaka-1 milestone | 20:16 |
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| kfarr | One thing I realized is that all projects need to integrate reno into their codebase before the release can occur | 20:16 |
| kfarr | there was information on the mailing list about this | 20:16 |
| kfarr | It's a tool for managing release notes during development. It's meant to take the burden of managing the release notes off of the release managers | 20:17 |
| kfarr | I gave it a shot at adding it, but reviews would be appreciated. | 20:17 |
| kfarr | We need to integrate reno before we can cut a release | 20:18 |
| elmiko | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080694.html | 20:18 |
| elmiko | just fyi | 20:18 |
| kfarr | thanks elmiko! | 20:18 |
| elmiko | np | 20:18 |
| kfarr | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248918/ | 20:18 |
| kfarr | ^^ that's the link for adding it to barbican, reviews would be appreciated | 20:19 |
| elmiko | ack, added to the queue | 20:19 |
| kfarr | Thanks elmiko! | 20:19 |
| kfarr | Does anyone have any questions about it? I'm still trying to read up on it myself.. | 20:20 |
| kfarr | If not, we'll move on to the next topic | 20:20 |
| elmiko | seems like a convenient system for release notes | 20:20 |
| kfarr | Alright, next topic | 20:21 |
| kfarr | #topic Castellan logging options | 20:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Castellan logging options (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:21 | |
| kfarr | elmiko I think this was yours? | 20:21 |
| elmiko | yea, thanks | 20:21 |
| elmiko | so, the configuring of logging options in castellan is currently causing some downstream issues | 20:21 |
| elmiko | namely, if an application that is using castellan has already configured logging, then calls to key_manager.API() will fail | 20:22 |
| elmiko | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/castellan/+bug/1521265 | 20:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1521265 in castellan "Log configuration causes error in applications that have already processed configuration arguments" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Fernando Diaz (diazjf) | 20:22 |
| elmiko | i opened that for it, but it got me thinking about logging in castellan in general | 20:22 |
| elmiko | i don't think we should auto config castellan for logging | 20:22 |
| elmiko | since it is a library, we should not be making assumptions about how a user has configured their application | 20:22 |
| elmiko | i think it would be ok to provide a function for convenience, to setup logging where none is already configured, but in general we shouldn't do anything | 20:23 |
| elmiko | diazjf and i talked about this a little, but i wanted to talk with the group about it | 20:23 |
| kfarr | elmiko, that makes sense to me, how do the logging configuration get passed into it then? | 20:23 |
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| elmiko | well, in general, there is no need to pass in logging configuration. | 20:24 |
| elmiko | the python logging package will be used under the covers, and oslo_log will mediate those configurations | 20:24 |
| elmiko | so, if my application has already configured oslo_log then it should "just work" | 20:24 |
| kfarr | elmiko, that sounds fine to me | 20:25 |
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| diazjf | kfarr, I'll keep working with elmiko to get a patch up | 20:25 |
| elmiko | we should definitely add to the configuration documentation for castellan to inform users how to setup the castellan log level though | 20:25 |
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| kfarr | sounds good to me! | 20:25 |
| elmiko | cool | 20:26 |
| kfarr | Also a +1 from rellerreller | 20:26 |
| * elmiko waves to rellerreller ;) | 20:26 | |
| kfarr | He says hi back! | 20:26 |
| elmiko | nice | 20:26 |
| kfarr | elmiko, is there anything else about this topic, or we can move to the next one | 20:27 |
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| elmiko | i don't think so, if no one has objections i'll just keep working with diazjf to get a good solution | 20:27 |
| elmiko | but, we do need to be mindful of getting a patch out | 20:27 |
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| elmiko | this has effectively stopped any progress downstream in sahara because of the error | 20:27 |
| elmiko | i imagine other projects would have similar issues | 20:28 |
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| kfarr | elmiko, I'll be keeping an eye out for when that fix merges so I can cut a new release | 20:28 |
| diazjf | elmiko, I'll try to resolve the bug quickly today and add the documentation after | 20:28 |
| elmiko | ack, thanks kfarr and diazjf | 20:28 |
| kfarr | is there something we can do in the meantime so sahara isn't blocked? | 20:28 |
| elmiko | not really, it's gonna be slow going. we need to get a patch out, then bump the vers in global reqs. we might want to hold off on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248911/ and wait to bump until 0.3.1 is available? | 20:29 |
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| kfarr | elmiko, that's fair. It's not passing jenkins anyway, which is another issue | 20:30 |
| elmiko | but, this does dovetail nicely into the next topic ;) | 20:30 |
| kfarr | got it! | 20:30 |
| kfarr | #topic Castellan integration testing | 20:30 |
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| elmiko | hey! | 20:30 |
| elmiko | so, while debugging this logging issue it got me thinking about testing castellan | 20:30 |
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| elmiko | could we setup some sort of integration testing using the not implemented key manager, or something, to test a full end-to-end usage of castellan? | 20:31 |
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| kfarr | elmiko, what do you mean by full end-to-end usage? | 20:32 |
| elmiko | if we had a couple small sample applications we could emulate the behavior that castellan consumers might expect, and hopefully catch something like this earlier in the future | 20:32 |
| elmiko | so, i can expect that other openstack service controllers might use castellan | 20:32 |
| elmiko | they would be using the common openstack design patterns, which means they would have oslo.log already in place | 20:33 |
| elmiko | we woud have been able to detect the exception during an integration test then | 20:33 |
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| elmiko | additionally, we could test out some of the more complex configuration details | 20:33 |
| elmiko | if this sounds interesting, i could try putting together a spec for it. i'm just not sure what we could use to gate it (machine-wise) | 20:34 |
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| kfarr | elmiko, that makes sense, it could be useful. Do you think it could live with the already existing functional tests? | 20:35 |
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| elmiko | kfarr: possibly, the current tests just use the unittest harness, right? | 20:35 |
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| kfarr | Yeah, there are unit tests, and then there are functional tests which kind of sound like what you want to do | 20:36 |
| kfarr | but yeah, they are using the unittest library to run the functional tests | 20:36 |
| elmiko | ok, i missed the functional tests. i'll take another look at those, maybe it would just fit right in | 20:36 |
| kfarr | elmiko, the functional tests are not running in the gate, but I have a patch up so hopefully they could be | 20:37 |
| lisaclark1 | o\ | 20:37 |
| lisaclark1 | o/ | 20:37 |
| elmiko | i was envisioning something like the integration tests where it would deploy castellan and then attempt to run some small applications against the deployment. | 20:37 |
| elmiko | kfarr: very cool, sounds like i need to do a little more reading and then figure out what to propose | 20:37 |
| elmiko | should i use the [barbican] subject or [castellan] to bring this up on the ml? | 20:38 |
| kfarr | elmiko what do you mean deploy castellan? | 20:38 |
| kfarr | elmiko you could use both! | 20:38 |
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| elmiko | kfarr: well, i say "deploy" but it mainly just means installing to a venv and creating a config file for the testing applications. | 20:38 |
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| elmiko | it wouldn't actually use the barbican key manager, it would just use the testing key manager | 20:39 |
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| elmiko | although, it might be possible in the future to build out a full barbican test (if needed) | 20:39 |
| kfarr | elmiko I'd be interesting in seeing what that looked like! | 20:39 |
| elmiko | but i envision something more "real world" than the isolation of the unit tests | 20:40 |
| elmiko | kfarr: cool! | 20:40 |
| silos | elmiko: it kind of sounds like a devstack instance with barbican and castellan deployed and also some OS service to test against. would that work? | 20:41 |
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| elmiko | silos: that would be ultimate, but we could start with something smaller | 20:41 |
| elmiko | in other projects they use devstack, i don't see why we couldn't test castellan in a similar fashion | 20:42 |
| silos | elmiko: that's what I was thinking. Icarus was flying to close to the sun right there. | 20:42 |
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| elmiko | silos: hehe, yea ;) | 20:42 |
| kfarr | elmiko, silos, that is what the functional tests do | 20:42 |
| kfarr | well, once they're integrated | 20:42 |
| elmiko | kfarr: ah, cool. that would be perfect then | 20:42 |
| elmiko | kfarr: is there a review up for them now? | 20:43 |
| kfarr | but they launch devstack with barbican, though it doesn't create the separate os application. | 20:43 |
| kfarr | the functional tests mimic what an application would do | 20:43 |
| elmiko | ok, so maybe we just need to build more tests =D | 20:43 |
| kfarr | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229115/ | 20:44 |
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| kfarr | elmiko +1 (and +1 from rellerreller) | 20:44 |
| elmiko | kfarr: awesome, thanks! | 20:44 |
| elmiko | kfarr: i'll read through that review and maybe we can just generate some more tests on top of it | 20:45 |
| kfarr | elmiko, ok great! That review just adds the gate hooks, but they call the functional tests, let me know if you have any questions about it! | 20:45 |
| elmiko | at the very least we can cover the usages and configurations that are suggested by the castellan documentation. it's becoming complicated enough that i think it would be beneficial to potential end-users | 20:45 |
| lisaclark1 | hi. i wanted to add a topic for the midcycle info/registration | 20:46 |
| kfarr | ok lisaclark1! elmiko, was there anything else? | 20:46 |
| elmiko | kfarr: no, i think we've covered everything i was concerned about. thanks! | 20:46 |
| kfarr | ok great! | 20:46 |
| kfarr | #topic midcycle info | 20:47 |
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| kfarr | It's all you lisaclark1! | 20:47 |
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| lisaclark1 | I added an eventbrite event for barbican midcycle registration | 20:48 |
| lisaclark1 | and have also updated the openstack wiki sprints page with some details | 20:48 |
| lisaclark1 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints | 20:48 |
| lisaclark1 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/BarbicanMitakaSprint | 20:48 |
| lisaclark1 | #link http://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-barbican-mitaka-midcycle-tickets-19784674494 | 20:48 |
| lisaclark1 | I still have the action item (that I saw was also captured earlier) to review preferred hotel options | 20:49 |
| lisaclark1 | fin. | 20:49 |
| kfarr | Thank you lisaclark! That's some really great info | 20:49 |
| kfarr | Does anyone else have anything? | 20:50 |
| kfarr | #topic open discussino | 20:50 |
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| pdesai | hi kfarr, i had a question for folks on how are they running functinal tests | 20:51 |
| pdesai | trying to delete some duplicate code and here is the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247810/ | 20:52 |
| kfarr | ok pdesai taking a look now | 20:52 |
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| pdesai | the doc has instructions on setting up devstack followed by running functional test, it doesnt have details on setting up keystone accounts | 20:53 |
| pdesai | which is done as part of devstack barbican plugin | 20:53 |
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| pdesai | if anyone is using keystone_data.sh to create necessary accounts, then it make sense to add how to create necessary accounts after we have deleted this script | 20:54 |
| alee | pdesai, sometimes I run functional tests by setting up keystone and postgres in a docker instances | 20:54 |
| alee | then I use that script to set up the relevant barbican accounts | 20:55 |
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| dave-mccowan | that's the hockeynut taught me... run keystone inside a VM, run keystone_data.sh against it, and then run barbican in a pyenv. | 20:55 |
| elmiko | pdesai: sounds like good content for developer docs on running the func. tests | 20:55 |
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| pdesai | yup, looks like that script is used for folks without having to run devstack | 20:56 |
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| dave-mccowan | pdesai maybe keystone_data.sh can source devstack/lib/barbican to remove the duplicate code. but, both files would remain. | 20:57 |
| pdesai | yeah i will check if its possible (should be) | 20:57 |
| pdesai | i agree to not have duplicate code but source it from devstack/lib/barbican | 20:58 |
| pdesai | thanks dave-mccowan | 20:58 |
| pdesai | thanks everyone | 20:59 |
| dave-mccowan | pdesai... not to pile-on... but, for folks just running devstack, it's probably weird to add all of those accounts that are used by barbican functional tests. it might be best to separate what's needed for devstack and what's needed for functional tests. | 20:59 |
| kfarr | Alright folks, that's about all the time we have for today. Some good discussions, let's continue back in the barbican channel! | 20:59 |
| kfarr | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 30 20:59:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-11-30-20.00.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-11-30-20.00.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-11-30-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
| elmiko | thanks kfarr | 20:59 |
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| diazjf | muchas gracias kfarr | 21:00 |
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| hughhalf | o/ | 21:02 |
| kencjohnston | hughhalf Easy there turbo :) | 21:02 |
| barrett | #startmeeting Product Working Group | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 30 21:02:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is barrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:02 |
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| hughhalf | o/ | 21:02 |
| kencjohnston | o/ | 21:02 |
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| barrett | #topic roll call | 21:03 |
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| kencjohnston | I'm IRC only today | 21:03 |
| thingee | o/ | 21:03 |
| hughhalf | o/ | 21:03 |
| barrett | #chair sarob | 21:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: barrett sarob | 21:03 |
| sarob_ | o/ | 21:03 |
| sarob_ | sarob_ | 21:03 |
| sarob_ | This time | 21:03 |
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| barrett | #chair sarob_ | 21:04 |
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| openstack | Current chairs: barrett sarob sarob_ | 21:04 |
| leong | o/ | 21:04 |
| sarob_ | Searching | 21:05 |
| barrett | #agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_11_30_15 | 21:05 |
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| barrett | #topic: rolling upgrades user story update - Leong & Kenny | 21:06 |
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| barrett | Kenny/Leong - Can you give an update and let us know where help is needed or issues? | 21:07 |
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| barrett | Kenny - You still here? | 21:07 |
| kencjohnston | We continue to need additional reviews of the user story | 21:07 |
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| kencjohnston | And I have the action to update the user story with references to the blueprints underdevelopment in the Mitaka cycle | 21:07 |
| kencjohnston | Once those are updated I'll send around a link and ask for product help in pushing those blueprints to completion | 21:08 |
| barrett | I wonder if we want to use a team meeting to review the user story? | 21:08 |
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| sarob_ | What's a team meeting? | 21:08 |
| kencjohnston | It is a task that is very accommodating to being done asynchronously | 21:09 |
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| sarob_ | Ah | 21:09 |
| barrett | I meant this weekly team meeting - add an agenda item and dedicate a significant amount of time to it | 21:09 |
| sarob_ | Right on | 21:09 |
| kencjohnston | I'd be happy to, but it seems like we could use our time for better purposes | 21:09 |
| kencjohnston | and I'd want the review to happen as much in gerrit as possible | 21:09 |
| leong | the link for rolling user story is here: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-user-stories/user-stories/proposed/rollingupgrades.html | 21:10 |
| sarob_ | Gerrit is the place to collaborate | 21:10 |
| leong | agree.. should try to use gerrit for review | 21:10 |
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| barrett | good point kencjohnston - was thinking we could take advantage of having people at the meeting | 21:10 |
| sarob_ | Here is the place for sprint update, like a need more reviews | 21:10 |
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| kencjohnston | sarob_ +1 | 21:10 |
| barrett | Is there anything preventing people from reviewing the user story today? | 21:11 |
| barrett | or is it just time? | 21:11 |
| sgordon | is there actually a gerrit review open for this? | 21:11 |
| sgordon | (the above link is to a committed item?) | 21:11 |
| kencjohnston | I'll make this offer, if you are intimidated by the change/commit process you can send me offline comments/suggestions and I'll add them | 21:11 |
| kencjohnston | sgordon I guess I should say git not gerrit, our process was to accept items to draft folder, and then ask for changes to them | 21:12 |
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| sgordon | right | 21:12 |
| sgordon | this is one of my concerns i guess about that process | 21:12 |
| thingee | +1 | 21:12 |
| sarob_ | What is the outstanding tasks for rolling upgrades user story? | 21:12 |
| sarob_ | Are | 21:12 |
| sgordon | in that once it's merged there is no way to do inline comments | 21:12 |
| sarob_ | That is | 21:12 |
| barrett | sgordon - can you say a few more words on your concern? | 21:12 |
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| thingee | barrett: typically an item is considered draft when it's in review. | 21:13 |
| sgordon | simply that, we merge stuff to draft very quickly | 21:13 |
| sgordon | but then there is no way to do inline commenting - because it's merged | 21:13 |
| thingee | is there some gain by this process? | 21:13 |
| kencjohnston | sgordon Agreed we thought it was more important to get it to a place where more people could view it via HTML | 21:13 |
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| sgordon | kencjohnston, you can do that anyway | 21:13 |
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| sgordon | kencjohnston, one of the jenkins jobs creates html | 21:13 |
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| sgordon | although that may not be set up for this repo | 21:14 |
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| sarob_ | New patch for this | 21:14 |
| sgordon | it is for e.g. nova-specs | 21:14 |
| leong | there are three status of User Story: Draft, Proposed and Tracked | 21:14 |
| sgordon | (and docs for that matter) | 21:14 |
| kencjohnston | sgordon ahh - I didn't know that. Honestly shamail might have had some additional logic for why we accepted to draft | 21:14 |
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| leong | All user stories today are in Draft folder | 21:14 |
| kencjohnston | There is one in proposed | 21:15 |
| kencjohnston | :) | 21:15 |
| leong | The only user story in Proposed folder is "Rolling Upgrade" | 21:15 |
| kencjohnston | This might need to be added to another agenda item for next week | 21:15 |
| sgordon | kencjohnston, so for example if i go to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251442/ which you submitted and click "toggle ci" the jenkins comment includes the link to html | 21:15 |
| barrett | Is there any reason not to use patches to a user story as the mechanism for making comments/changes? | 21:15 |
| sgordon | even though it isn't merged yet | 21:15 |
| kencjohnston | There are pros and cons for both approaches, we don't have a lot of reviewers on this project for gerrit review. | 21:16 |
| kencjohnston | That might be a problem of our own creation though. | 21:16 |
| kencjohnston | Again, my suggestion, let's add it as a topic for a later meeting. We should revisit the process and conform to community standards. | 21:17 |
| leong | The workflow is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories#User_Story_Workflow | 21:17 |
| barrett | Leong - Thanks. | 21:17 |
| barrett | Do we need to be more specific on the "comments can be made.."? | 21:18 |
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| barrett | #action: Carol add work flow discussion to next team meeting agenda | 21:18 |
| sarob_ | Good plan | 21:19 |
| thingee | so far the only advantage I have read is so we can see it as HTML. How often are the documents really hard to parse in raw rst format? | 21:19 |
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| thingee | I mention this just because this is the only group I have seen take this approach for this advantage. | 21:19 |
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| thingee | this document for rolling upgrades for example is not really complex. it's some bullet points. | 21:20 |
| barrett | thingee - We took this approach because not everyone in the team is familiar with rst, gerrit or git and we wanted to lower the barriers to participation | 21:20 |
| barrett | I'll add that to the agenda item for the next meeting too | 21:21 |
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| barrett | Kencjohnston: anything else? Do you think you are on track for Mitaka deliverables? And N-design summit? | 21:22 |
| thingee | barrett: so this is difficult to read raw? https://raw.githubusercontent.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories/master/user-stories/proposed/rollingupgrades.rst | 21:22 |
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| barrett | thingee: I think it's readable | 21:23 |
| sarob_ | Me too | 21:23 |
| kencjohnston | barrett Nope, nothing else. We haven't defined Mitaka deliverables in the user story, but I will be next week. | 21:23 |
| barrett | kencjohnston: thanks, will look for an update again next week. | 21:23 |
| hughhalf | I must admit I'd not thought of it until thingee pointed it out - but yes the RST is hardly tricky to parse by a human. Maybe we are doing ourselves a disservice here ? | 21:23 |
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| barrett | Next up is Onboarding Legacy apps. | 21:24 |
| barrett | Gerd - Are you here? | 21:24 |
| sarob_ | Link to the rst would save time and stale data | 21:24 |
| leong | as part of the "workflow", we need to dedicate/allocate resources to work on the User Story/Blueprint for Rolling Upgrade | 21:24 |
| barrett | Do we want to have the work flow conversation now? | 21:24 |
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| kencjohnston | I vote for keeping the current agenda | 21:25 |
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| sarob_ | #top#topic onboarding legacy applications | 21:26 |
| sarob_ | Arg | 21:26 |
| barrett | Ok - we'll stay with the current agenda. Maybe we should air the work flow discussion on the ML ahead of next week's meeting. Any volunteers to start that? | 21:26 |
| hughhalf | I think workflow is important, but lets discuss that on list and/or put on agenda for next meeting | 21:26 |
| * hughhalf nods at barrett | 21:26 | |
| leong | agree! :) | 21:27 |
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| barrett | #action Sarob Start ML discussion on Work Flow, with goal to close any changes in our team meeting next week | 21:27 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello everybody | 21:27 |
| sarob_ | #topic onboarding legacy applications | 21:27 |
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| barrett | Gerd - Are you here? | 21:27 |
| barrett | Moving along....Onboarding Hosts and VM into Openstack for management | 21:28 |
| sarob_ | #topic onboarding hosts and VMs | 21:28 |
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| barrett | Jay or Deric - are you here? | 21:28 |
| barrett | ok ..... | 21:28 |
| sarob_ | #topic complex instance placement | 21:28 |
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| barrett | #topic Complex Instance Placement - Steve | 21:29 |
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| barrett | sgordon - any update? | 21:29 |
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| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251442/ | 21:29 |
| sgordon | integrates calum's feedback from the original proposal | 21:29 |
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| sgordon | so currently awaiting further feedback on that | 21:30 |
| sgordon | it was the only incomplete section | 21:30 |
| kencjohnston | Yeah, that was me this morning. barrett can you review? | 21:30 |
| leong | (sorry was distracted :-) for "onboarding hosts", IBM shared a presentation about PowerVC onboarding process in the previous meeting. | 21:30 |
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| leong | https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0gXxpcL9MhGUHAtS2p5R3EwbHc | 21:30 |
| barrett | kencjohnston - yes, will review after the meeting | 21:30 |
| * kencjohnston barrett Thanks! | 21:31 | |
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| leong | sorry i'm slow..:-) | 21:31 |
| barrett | Leong - hang on a sec, we'll come back to that one | 21:31 |
| leong | anyone can check out the link above if you are interested.. | 21:31 |
| leong | i'm done with that.. :-) | 21:31 |
| leong | pls continue.. :-) | 21:31 |
| barrett | sgordon - anything else? | 21:32 |
| sgordon | nope not at this time | 21:32 |
| barrett | sgordon - thanks. | 21:32 |
| barrett | #topic onboarding hosts and VMs | 21:32 |
| barrett | #link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0gXxpcL9MhGUHAtS2p5R3EwbHc | 21:33 |
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| barrett | Leong: is the presentation an approach to implementing the user story or ? | 21:33 |
| leong | that's the approach that IBM PowerVM is working on | 21:33 |
| leong | haven't decided on the approach on get that "upstream" | 21:34 |
| barrett | OK | 21:34 |
| leong | Platform9 also share a presentation previously on their approach | 21:34 |
| barrett | Do you have a link to that? | 21:34 |
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| sarob_ | Page 8, 11 | 21:35 |
| sarob_ | Can be retooled into a user story | 21:35 |
| sarob_ | Format I think | 21:35 |
| leong | platform9: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0B0gXxpcL9MhGMy1tOU5ZbEFjRVU | 21:35 |
| barrett | sarob: ? | 21:35 |
| barrett | #link platform9: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0B0gXxpcL9MhGMy1tOU5ZbEFjRVU | 21:36 |
| leong | #link platform 9 presentation: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0gXxpcL9MhGYl9FUlk0eVlmenc/view | 21:36 |
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| barrett | Any other User Stories for updates? | 21:38 |
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| hughhalf | none from me at this point | 21:38 |
| barrett | (for arkady): There is the database hygiene - Leong are you going to submit this or should Arkday? | 21:39 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | DB hygiene. Leong do you want me to resubmit it or do you want me do it? | 21:39 |
| leong | sorry i haven't got time to review the DB-hygiene. | 21:39 |
| sarob_ | #topic db hygiene | 21:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "db hygiene (Meeting topic: Product Working Group)" | 21:39 | |
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| leong | Arkday: can you resubmit that? | 21:39 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | sure | 21:39 |
| leong | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237178/ | 21:40 |
| barrett | #action Arkady resubmit DB-Hygiene | 21:40 |
| barrett | Good - Any other User Stories we want to cover? | 21:40 |
| sarob_ | Any other user stories? | 21:40 |
| sarob_ | Oops | 21:40 |
| sarob_ | #topic midcycle planning | 21:41 |
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| barrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Mitaka_Midcycle | 21:41 |
| sarob_ | Thanks | 21:41 |
| barrett | I think we're still waiting on the final plans for the Ops Mid-cycle | 21:41 |
| barrett | Are there any additions or comments on the agenda? | 21:42 |
| sarob_ | Looks right to me | 21:42 |
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| leong | Looks good on agenda | 21:43 |
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| kencjohnston | I think this was discussed last week, but Rackspace is willing to host a UK event at our London office if we end up deciding to hold the meeting there. | 21:43 |
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| kencjohnston | I'll add a note to the Etherpad. | 21:43 |
| sarob_ | Cool | 21:44 |
| barrett | kencjohnston - Thanks | 21:44 |
| sarob_ | Maybe the operator midcycle as well? | 21:44 |
| sarob_ | At rax London? | 21:44 |
| kencjohnston | I think that is already scheduled in Manchester | 21:44 |
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| sarob_ | Oh duh, right | 21:45 |
| kencjohnston | But if it isn't I can look into it. | 21:45 |
| sgordon | it is | 21:45 |
| barrett | kencjohnston - you might want to reach out to Tom | 21:45 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Mr. grodron I commented on complex use case for groups | 21:45 |
| barrett | nevermind.... | 21:45 |
| barrett | Let's revisit the timing and location of our Midcycle next week and if we have a final decision on Ops Midcycle, let's try to finalize our location and date | 21:45 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | does operator/user WG plan second midcycle in USA? | 21:46 |
| barrett | #action Carol add Midcycle planning to agenda for next week and bring current status on Ops Midcycle | 21:46 |
| kencjohnston | Arkady_Kanevsky That is the outstanding question. | 21:46 |
| sarob_ | Do we want to discuss a f2f in Portland in addition to UK no matter what | 21:46 |
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| sgordon | barrett, tbh i dont believe there was going to be a second mid-cycle | 21:47 |
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| sgordon | barrett, there was discussion of having more regional ops *events* | 21:47 |
| sgordon | barrett, but one mid-cycle | 21:47 |
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| barrett | sgordon - Thanks for the clarification | 21:47 |
| sarob_ | That's started happening a bit already | 21:47 |
| sgordon | there was certainly a fair bit of back and forth on this but there is still only one mid-cycle planned | 21:47 |
| sgordon | right exactly | 21:48 |
| sarob_ | Plus the larger operators | 21:48 |
| barrett | sgordon - do you know if the location/date are set and not going to move? | 21:48 |
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| * hughhalf nods noting that tallies in with his reading of ML traffic on the topic | 21:49 | |
| barrett | Let's finalize this next week - what our plans are for covering (at a minimum) the Ops Mid-Cycle and where/when we want to have ours. | 21:50 |
| barrett | #topic Opens | 21:50 |
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| barrett | Anyone have opens to share? | 21:50 |
| hughhalf | None for me | 21:51 |
| leong | nope | 21:51 |
| kencjohnston | None for me | 21:51 |
| sarob_ | I posted to the ML on how to hold these meetings | 21:51 |
| barrett | FYI - There's a board meeting on Thursday. You can find more info here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/3Dec2015BoardMeeting | 21:52 |
| sarob_ | My opinion! | 21:52 |
| barrett | Thanks Sarob_ | 21:52 |
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| barrett | If there's nothing else, let's all get back 8 mins.... | 21:52 |
| sarob_ | anyone can attend the bod meeting btw | 21:52 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | how does one update wiki - http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-user-stories/? | 21:53 |
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| barrett | arkady: it's updated automatically, once merged | 21:53 |
| leong | that's still under review.. so is not "merged" in the Draft folder yet | 21:54 |
| barrett | anything else | 21:54 |
| barrett | ? | 21:54 |
| sarob_ | It's it for me | 21:54 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | got it. still expected it to be listed in the wiki | 21:54 |
| barrett | #endmeeting | 21:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:54 | |
| barrett | bye | 21:54 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 30 21:54:39 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:54 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | bye | 21:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-11-30-21.02.html | 21:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-11-30-21.02.txt | 21:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-11-30-21.02.log.html | 21:54 |
| hughhalf | later | 21:54 |
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| Haunted | Hi | 22:02 |
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