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| trown | o/ | 14:00 |
| dprince | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 1 14:00:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dprince. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:00 |
| eggmaster | o/ | 14:00 |
| akrivoka | hi \o | 14:00 |
| dprince | o/ | 14:00 |
| marios | o/ | 14:00 |
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| gfidente | o/ | 14:01 |
| weshay | \o | 14:01 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 14:01 |
| slagle | hi | 14:02 |
| dprince | #topic agenda | 14:02 |
| dprince | * bugs | 14:02 |
| dprince | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:02 |
| dprince | * CI | 14:02 |
| dprince | * Specs | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:02 | |
| dprince | * Review Priorities: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-review-priorities | 14:02 |
| dprince | * one off agenda items | 14:02 |
| dprince | * open discussion | 14:02 |
| adarazs | o/ | 14:02 |
| shardy | o/ | 14:02 |
| dprince | anything to add to our agenda this week? | 14:03 |
| jistr | o/ | 14:03 |
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| tremble | I guess the general Zuul/CI issues we've been seeing will be covered in the CI topic :) | 14:05 |
| rbrady | o/ | 14:05 |
| dprince | tremble: yep. | 14:05 |
| dprince | lets move on then | 14:06 |
| dprince | #topic bugs | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:06 | |
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| shardy | dtantsur posted a revised workaround for bug #1507738 which has now been approved in ironic | 14:07 |
| openstack | bug 1507738 in Ironic "ipxe fails on Centos 7 (inc: command not found)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1507738 - Assigned to Dmitry Tantsur (divius) | 14:07 |
| shardy | I tested it locally and it seems to work OK | 14:07 |
| trown | I have one bug to call out: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1272572 patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239109/2 | 14:07 |
| openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1272572 in openstack-tripleo-heat-templates "Error: Unable to retrieve volume limit information when accessing System Defaults in Horizon" [High,Post] - Assigned to jtrowbri | 14:07 |
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| trown | I should have probably made a LP bug for it, but I kept putting it off... | 14:07 |
| dprince | shardy: nice, thanks for pointing that out | 14:07 |
| trown | it was brought up last week on the #rdo meeting though | 14:07 |
| shardy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250745/ | 14:08 |
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| trown | it shows that we are missing any validation of horizon in the overcloud... which is true for RDO CI as well | 14:08 |
| shardy | trown: we should really raise LP bugs then link them from the BZ, vs putting bz links into upstream commit messages | 14:09 |
| dprince | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239109/ | 14:09 |
| shardy | it's a minor thing, but a good habit to get in to IMHO | 14:09 |
| gfidente | trown, do you know if tempest has any test for the horizon UI? | 14:09 |
| dprince | shardy: agree, LP bugs help us track things upstream better | 14:09 |
| shardy | trown: we're missing any validation of *anything* aren't we? | 14:10 |
| trown | shardy: ya, I just kept putting that part off, and then it got brought up on #rdo meeting... I am definitely happy to file a LP bug if that is the only thing missing from the patch | 14:10 |
| shardy | beyond deploying an overcloud that doesn't fail? | 14:10 |
| trown | shardy: ah for tripleoci that is true ya | 14:10 |
| gfidente | shardy, yeah this came up last week, currently we are | 14:10 |
| trown | rdo we run tempest smoke | 14:10 |
| shardy | trown: I've been looking at reinstating something, maybe instack-test-overcloud or some similar smoke test | 14:10 |
| trown | shardy: cool, I really liked the idea from summit of using a heat stack | 14:11 |
| trown | but we are a bit off the bug topic | 14:11 |
| shardy | trown: Yeah, that would be nice actually, doesn't solve the horizon issue tho ;) | 14:11 |
| slagle | marios has a patch for that | 14:11 |
| slagle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241167/ | 14:11 |
| shardy | trown: yeah, sorry | 14:11 |
| shardy | slagle: nice! | 14:12 |
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| shardy | if we did that via heat, it'd hardly any extra time, and we'd cover another service | 14:13 |
| shardy | we go ahead with this approach for now tho | 14:13 |
| dprince | Since it was brought up: is it worth -1'ing upstream reviews that link to Bugzilla's instead of LPs? | 14:13 |
| trown | dprince: I am ok with that policy | 14:14 |
| marios | slagle: yeah, so i started poking at that (rewriting as heat template) -someone was asking me about it in channel last week (they wanted to have a go at doing the heat version) | 14:14 |
| jdob | i think so, just to make sure they are filed | 14:14 |
| shardy | dprince: I've taken to commenting but not downvoting, but maybe it's time to get stricter | 14:14 |
| marios | shardy: comment above about heat template sorry was meant for you | 14:14 |
| shardy | marios: will do, let me know if I can help out at all, shouldn't be too hard | 14:15 |
| slagle | dprince: i don't like -1'ing for bz links | 14:15 |
| slagle | unless the policy is that we must have an associated LP bug for anything that is a bug | 14:15 |
| slagle | absent that, the bz link is just extra information | 14:15 |
| slagle | helpful information at that | 14:15 |
| dprince | slagle: it just makes things harder to track upstream | 14:15 |
| shardy | slagle: the problem is, we shouldn't be tracking things *only* downstream | 14:15 |
| shardy | because then we don't have any record of the fixes as they land in the upstream repos, other than the commit logs | 14:16 |
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| slagle | if you -1 someone on a bz link, are you : asking for a LP bug to be filed, or asking them to remove the bz link? | 14:16 |
| dprince | slagle: I suppose I'm fine w/ the BZ link being there too, it is just the missing LP upstream that is the problem | 14:16 |
| slagle | dprince: ok. so what your'e really saying is that all bug fixes must have a LP bug filed | 14:16 |
| shardy | slagle: just to raise a LP, it's fine to *also* have a bz if folks want to | 14:16 |
| slagle | ok, this is a pretty big shift in the way we've handled bugfixes in the past, so i just want to be clear | 14:17 |
| shardy | slagle: although we already have a perfectly good means to associate the LP with bz (external trackers), so having the bz link isn't strictly needed anymore | 14:17 |
| slagle | it really does sound like you're asking that any bugfix have an associated LP bug | 14:17 |
| slagle | and we -1 if it doesn't | 14:17 |
| dprince | slagle: my preference would be that, yes. Unless the bug is really trivially simple | 14:18 |
| jistr | slagle: i wouldn't like to enforce 'every bugfix must have LP bug' | 14:18 |
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| slagle | otherwise, if someone -1's me for a bz link, i'm just going to remove the link from the commit msg | 14:18 |
| jistr | but perhaps | 14:18 |
| shardy | slagle: AFAIK it's the way most other projects do it - any non-cosmetic patch should really have either a bug or a blueprint associated with it | 14:18 |
| shardy | *but* we don't do "a release" upstream | 14:18 |
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| shardy | so it's less of an issue | 14:18 |
| jistr | "if the bug is serious/complex enough that it warrants a link to a bug tracking tool, make sure that the bug tracking tool is LP, and if you want to add a BZ link too, feel free" | 14:19 |
| shardy | imagine if e.g heat released Mitaka, and we said there were zero bugs fixed or whatever, vs ~300 | 14:19 |
| slagle | shardy: yea, i know. i've also encountered feedback, albeit antecdotal, that a lot of people hate that | 14:19 |
| jistr | ^ how does that sound | 14:19 |
| slagle | "-1, please file a bug" | 14:19 |
| slagle | this is just so pedantic | 14:19 |
| derekh | slagle: +1 | 14:19 |
| shardy | jistr: +1 | 14:19 |
| jaosorior | jistr: +1 | 14:19 |
| jistr | yea i don't like "-1, please file a bug" either | 14:19 |
| tremble | jistr: +1 | 14:19 |
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| dprince | jistr: +1, that is the idea | 14:20 |
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| dprince | okay, lets move to CI then | 14:20 |
| dprince | #topic CI | 14:20 |
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| slagle | or just remove the bz link i guess | 14:20 |
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| shardy | slagle: do you disagree that it's not all that cool from a community building perspective to *only* track thinks in the downstream bug tracker? | 14:20 |
| slagle | nope | 14:20 |
| shardy | Maybe it is pedantic, but it's about perception of the community, and how we work | 14:21 |
| jistr | slagle: if the commit message itself carries enough info for the patch to make sense, removing the BZ link is fine too i guess | 14:21 |
| slagle | shardy: i disagree that providing additional info warrants a -1, when we have no official policy on when bugs should be filed | 14:21 |
| gfidente | to be honest, I don't consider BZ that much of a downstream thing | 14:21 |
| slagle | "if there's a downstream bug" isn't a policy on when to file an upstream bug | 14:21 |
| trown | I would prefer if someone was going to -1 to at least give feedback on the technical merit of the patch at the same time | 14:21 |
| tremble | shardy: As someone trying to figure out what was involved, having *both* links can be useful, but the LP bug should have a good explanation attached... | 14:21 |
| shardy | slagle: Ok, maybe we agree to try to not do it and just comment then, that's what I'm already doing fwiw | 14:22 |
| gfidente | I understand we shouldn't use the Closes: shortcut for BZ bugs | 14:22 |
| dprince | slagle: right, but that there is an upstream patch fixing a bug, does warrent an LP bug IMO | 14:22 |
| dprince | slagle: so lets make an official policy then | 14:22 |
| gfidente | but I am totally fine linking to BZ reports if that is there the bug report comes from | 14:22 |
| gfidente | cause BZ is not downstream IMHO | 14:22 |
| shardy | gfidente: it's not the upstream bug tracking tool, so it is by definition a downstream thing | 14:22 |
| slagle | dprince: that's exactly what i'm tryign to clarify. "an upstream patch fixing a bug" | 14:22 |
| slagle | dprince: sounds like you want a LP bug for that? | 14:22 |
| jdob | gfidente: i think it is; even if anyone can make an account, its not part of upstream itself | 14:23 |
| slagle | it's totally irrelevant if there's a bz already filed or not | 14:23 |
| jdob | its open, but that doesnt mean upstream | 14:23 |
| dprince | slagle: exactly, what jistr said | 14:23 |
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| gfidente | so to support further what jistr said | 14:23 |
| trown | I think we probably need to move this to the ML | 14:23 |
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| trown | sorry for opening a can of worms | 14:23 |
| gfidente | I think links to BZ are totally fine | 14:23 |
| dprince | yeah, unless you all would like to cancel the second half of this meeting time to move on I think | 14:24 |
| dprince | topic is CI... | 14:24 |
| slagle | let's come up with a policy on when a LP bug is required, totally independent of whether or not red hat has decided to open a bug in bugzilla | 14:24 |
| shardy | FWIW, we had this *exact* discussion in the heat community $years ago, and settled on saying non-cosmetic fixes should have LP bugs | 14:24 |
| shardy | One compelling reason is it's *much* easier to track stable backports | 14:24 |
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| shardy | e.g you tag the bug as liberty-backport-potential in LP, which is impossible if it's not in LP | 14:24 |
| slagle | shardy: that's the exact discussion i'd like to see vs "just open one if there's one in bz already" | 14:25 |
| dprince | derekh: want to give a CI update | 14:25 |
| derekh | dprince: nope | 14:25 |
| shardy | slagle: the bz doesn't help us at all in terms of tracking upstream backports | 14:25 |
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| derekh | ;-) | 14:25 |
| derekh | so we had about 5 days of now CI jobs | 14:25 |
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| derekh | nodepool wasn't getting floating IPs for our VMs | 14:26 |
| dprince | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251438/ | 14:26 |
| derekh | its was a regession in nodepool that has been reverted, all is ok now again | 14:26 |
| dprince | derekh: yep, thanks for pushing that revert up and fixing it | 14:27 |
| derekh | I got nothing major else to report | 14:27 |
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| dprince | seems like CI is otherwise stable. | 14:27 |
| derekh | yup, | 14:27 |
| dprince | derekh: should we add new columns to our report for the new job types though? | 14:27 |
| derekh | actually, I also finally sent a mail | 14:28 |
| shardy | derekh: thanks for figuring that out | 14:28 |
| derekh | about adding ci back to heat and ironic, discussion is onging on the list | 14:28 |
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| shardy | The consensus seems to be +1 at least for Heat atm | 14:28 |
| derekh | dprince: yup, here is start https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235421/ | 14:29 |
| slagle | it seems that the other projects are also in favor of eventually having the job being voting | 14:29 |
| slagle | is it possible to do that now in tripleo? | 14:29 |
| slagle | might be good to establish a pattern | 14:29 |
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| derekh | shardy: yup, I have to do a little research, I don't think so | 14:30 |
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| * dprince thinks our wall time is still too long to be voting | 14:30 | |
| derekh | shardy: to be voting you got to be in the gate, I don't think we have the resources needed or the redundancy to do that | 14:30 |
| derekh | shardy: and what dprince said (thought) | 14:30 |
| * shardy thinks that reply was meant for slagle? ;) | 14:32 | |
| derekh | shardy: yes your right, sorry slagle ^^ | 14:32 |
| dprince | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:32 |
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| slagle | oh, so to leave a verified-1, even before the patch is workflowed+1, it must be a gate job? | 14:32 |
| dprince | shardy: I skipped this topic early | 14:32 |
| dprince | shardy: any updates this week? | 14:32 |
| derekh | slagle: I'm not fully sure, /me will research | 14:33 |
| shardy | dprince: So, there's a queue of patches up for stable/liberty CI, and derekh helped me find the latest issue earlier | 14:33 |
| shardy | I hope we can push all those in very soon and declare stable/liberty ready for wider use | 14:33 |
| shardy | it's been held up by the nodepool outage, amongst other things | 14:33 |
| dprince | shardy: cool. Hopefully smooth sailing from here on then | 14:34 |
| shardy | heh, hopefully | 14:34 |
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| shardy | I think we need a current-tripleo pin promoted by a stable periodic job to stop it from breaking | 14:34 |
| shardy | but firstly let's land what's already posted | 14:35 |
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| shardy | One other thing - it was pointed out that puppet-tripleo doesn't have a stable branch | 14:35 |
| shardy | are folks OK with creating one? | 14:35 |
| dprince | shardy: ping EmilienM on that I think | 14:36 |
| shardy | dprince: will do | 14:36 |
| derekh | shardy: re stable periodic job, we also need that for master, the periodic job fails waiting on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244526/ | 14:36 |
| dprince | shardy: he is about to create stable branches for puppet modules soon I think | 14:36 |
| EmilienM | dprince: hey | 14:36 |
| shardy | derekh: Ok, thanks, we can sync up on that after | 14:36 |
| EmilienM | shardy: yes, go ahead | 14:36 |
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| shardy | EmilienM: Ok, thanks! | 14:36 |
| EmilienM | I did not create branches in puppet-tripleo because to me, it depends on TripleO | 14:36 |
| EmilienM | I did not want to break something | 14:36 |
| EmilienM | I just manage the 22 other modules | 14:37 |
| shardy | EmilienM: Ok, it probably should have been branched when I created the other branches, but we missed it in the spec | 14:37 |
| shardy | thanks for the clarification | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | dprince, shardy: FYI - we released stable/liberty | 14:37 |
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| shardy | One other CI related thing | 14:37 |
| shardy | I was discussing with derekh about moving tripleo.sh back into tripleo-ci | 14:37 |
| shardy | because every change we make must work on both master and stable, and it's a bit of a headache having to backport every fix | 14:38 |
| shardy | when we only really need one version | 14:38 |
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| shardy | also, given that it's a developer script, it seems like documenting pulling the script from tripleo-ci may be reasonable? | 14:38 |
| trown | that seems reasonable to me | 14:38 |
| shardy | e.g we don't want it to be packaged up and distributed as part of tripleo-common anyway | 14:38 |
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| slagle | trown: so no one will ever want to tripleo.sh as part of rdo? | 14:39 |
| derekh | +1 | 14:39 |
| dprince | shardy: I'm fine w/ it living in tripleo-ci. Once upon a time TOCI contained the initial devtest scripts anyways | 14:39 |
| slagle | *use tripleo.sh | 14:39 |
| derekh | slagle: they shouldn't, its a tool to help set up our dev environments | 14:39 |
| trown | slagle: hmm... oh right it wont be packaged at all anymore | 14:39 |
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| derekh | rdo people should be following the docs | 14:40 |
| trown | I was thinking of using it in the rdo 'quickstart', but I can actually workaround it not being packaged for that | 14:40 |
| gfidente | I like the idea of not suggesting use of tripleo.sh to deployers; if deployers need it then we're probably doing something bad or too complicated for actual users | 14:41 |
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| shardy | gfidente: +1, it's primarily useful for developers wanting to replicate something close to what CI does | 14:42 |
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| dprince | #topic Specs | 14:43 |
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| dprince | thanks for the feedback on the composable roles spec shardy, jdob, jistr | 14:43 |
| dprince | any other spec things to highlight this week? | 14:44 |
| jdob | np, glad to see it moving | 14:44 |
| tzumainn | heya - the API spec has been stuck with a bunch of +1s and a +2 for a few weeks now - any chance of getting a few additional eyes on it? | 14:44 |
| shardy | dprince: np, FYI I was considering hacking out a ResourceChain based PoC when that is ready | 14:44 |
| tzumainn | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230432/ | 14:44 |
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| shardy | that doesn't necessarily need to gate what you are doing though | 14:44 |
| haunted2 | yeah | 14:44 |
| jdob | tzumainn: i'll take a look | 14:45 |
| jdob | i think i've been confusing that one with the other spec and ignoring it thinking I already read it | 14:45 |
| haunted2 | me too | 14:45 |
| tzumainn | jdob, thanks! | 14:45 |
| haunted2 | yeah thanks jdob | 14:45 |
| haunted2 | how is everybody? | 14:46 |
| dprince | any other specs to highlight this week? | 14:47 |
| haunted2 | I don't think so | 14:48 |
| dprince | #topic Review Priorities | 14:48 |
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| trown | I thought we were moving this topic to open discussion? | 14:49 |
| dprince | trown: we can do that | 14:49 |
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| dprince | trown: it was still on the agenda so I wanted to give one last shot | 14:50 |
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| dprince | #action dprince to remove review priorities from agenda | 14:50 |
| trown | dprince: cool, since we have a bugs and a specs topic, it seems open discussion for any other reviews seems fine | 14:50 |
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| dprince | #topic open discussion | 14:51 |
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| slagle | well since no one brought anything else up... | 14:52 |
| dprince | I've been looking at cutting the memory footprint in the undercloud | 14:52 |
| dprince | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250004/ | 14:52 |
| shardy | One thing to mention - I heard reports that some folks had overcloud deletes which sometimes fail | 14:52 |
| slagle | for the composable roles, do we want to go with what's posted, orw ait for the REsourceChain? | 14:52 |
| slagle | i was just looking at the spec | 14:52 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250498/ adds a simple CI test which tests that | 14:52 |
| slagle | seems this is kind of up in the air | 14:52 |
| slagle | and would be good to decide before landing the implementation | 14:53 |
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| dprince | shardy: we can disable Heats cloudwatch too right? | 14:53 |
| shardy | dprince: yes, please do :) | 14:53 |
| dprince | slagle: re. composable roles... I'm not sold on ResourceChain | 14:53 |
| shardy | slagle: I'm not blocking on it, but I do think the manifest munging approach posted potentially makes things much harder to debug | 14:54 |
| dprince | slagle: would like to sync with the spec reviewers on that idea | 14:54 |
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| shardy | seems dprince and I have a difference of opinion, so I'd like to hack out a PoC for evaluation as soon as jdob is done (no pressure jdob!) | 14:54 |
| jdob | it should actually be working | 14:54 |
| jdob | i have a patch posted | 14:54 |
| jdob | i just havent written unit tests | 14:54 |
| dprince | to me it is a matter of user interface. Do we want end users to be in control of where roles run, or let the role authors choose | 14:54 |
| slagle | shardy: would using ResourceChains enable using the resource_registry to select the roles? | 14:55 |
| shardy | however, if the consensus is +1 on the proposed approach, I'm happy to go with that | 14:55 |
| jdob | but I think its in a state where you can try it and there's a 73% chance it won't cause your server to catch on fire | 14:55 |
| dprince | I think I prefer the user to simply say: Enable glance-api on my controller nodes | 14:55 |
| jdob | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250010/ | 14:55 |
| dprince | rather than say enable glance-api at step 3 | 14:55 |
| jdob | slagle: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228615/ is the spec if you haven't seen it | 14:55 |
| shardy | slagle: Yes, well you'd have a parameter which is defined in the environment | 14:55 |
| shardy | not the resource_registry | 14:55 |
| shardy | as in my example comments in the spc | 14:55 |
| shardy | spec | 14:55 |
| jdob | the spec is pretty finished if someone whose name rhymes with bsmarty would stop -1ing it | 14:56 |
| shardy | jdob: great, I'll pull and test that later | 14:56 |
| jdob | (i'm annoyed that "bsmarty" is the best I could come up with there, stupid 9am meetings) | 14:56 |
| shardy | jdob: -1! ;) | 14:56 |
| rhallisey | dprince, docker stuff with network isolation is working | 14:56 |
| shardy | jdob: more seriously, it was only nits, the overall spec lgtm | 14:56 |
| dprince | rhallisey: nice, thanks for the update | 14:56 |
| rhallisey | dprince, I will be following up with a bunch of patches for the new template that will work with net-iso | 14:57 |
| jdob | i know, thats why i'm giving you shit :) | 14:57 |
| slagle | i'll have a look at the specs. the main thing i'd like to see is a way to define custom roles and it looks like the spec just lets you customize what services are on the still static roles (controller, compute, etc) | 14:58 |
| shardy | dprince: we can chat, maybe there's a compromise which enables the simpler interface you mention without the manifest mangling I referred to | 14:58 |
| dprince | shardy: ack, end user simplicity was what I was going for | 14:58 |
| dprince | simple flexability | 14:58 |
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| dprince | thanks everyone | 15:00 |
| dprince | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 1 15:00:21 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-12-01-14.00.html | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-12-01-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-12-01-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| tmorin | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 1 15:02:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: bgpvpn)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:02 |
| tmorin | hi everyone | 15:02 |
| enikher | hey | 15:02 |
| tmorin | hi enikher | 15:02 |
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| tmorin | hi pcarver timirnich_ wdeclercq | 15:02 |
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| tmorin | matrohon won't be here today | 15:03 |
| wdeclercq | hey | 15:03 |
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| timirnich_ | hi all | 15:03 |
| tmorin | #topic announcements, last week recap | 15:03 |
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| tmorin | lot's of things were merged during the last week | 15:04 |
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| tmorin | the ODL driver was merged | 15:04 |
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| timirnich_ | *champagne* | 15:04 |
| tmorin | yes :) | 15:04 |
| tmorin | the tempest initial framework as well (thanks enikher!) | 15:05 |
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| tmorin | and the kilo backport work as well (thanks enikher again!) | 15:05 |
| timirnich_ | employee of the month | 15:05 |
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| tmorin | there was also bugfix done on the bagpipe driver, triggered by a bug found by wdeclercq (thanks!) | 15:05 |
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| tmorin | beyond the stuff we merged there is also more in progress | 15:06 |
| tmorin | in particular the router-association work by wdeclercq | 15:06 |
| tmorin | which is mostly ready I think | 15:06 |
| tmorin | pending one fix in the bagpipe driver that depends on a fix in the driver | 15:07 |
| tmorin | so, that was a very active week :) | 15:07 |
| tmorin | the plan is to finish all this and we should be ready to release | 15:08 |
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| tmorin | any comment ? next topic ? | 15:09 |
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| enikher | I am trying a merge between kilo and master at them moment | 15:10 |
| werunthenight | #wordpress-sfd | 15:10 |
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| timirnich_ | I could maybe mention that we are in the process of clarifying the installation procedures for OPNFV | 15:10 |
| tmorin | enikher: yes +1 | 15:11 |
| werunthenight | Yeah | 15:11 |
| timirnich_ | tmorin and I just had a discussion with the Fuel guys | 15:11 |
| werunthenight | How did it go? | 15:11 |
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| timirnich_ | making progress but still some way to go I'd say | 15:11 |
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| werunthenight | ok | 15:12 |
| timirnich_ | but it's more a getting all onto same page problem | 15:12 |
| werunthenight | Yeah | 15:12 |
| tmorin | werunthenight: are you a bot ? | 15:13 |
| werunthenight | No | 15:13 |
| werunthenight | Why? | 15:13 |
| tmorin | I was just wondering, we weren't introduced yet :) | 15:13 |
| tmorin | ok tim, let's go ahead | 15:14 |
| tmorin | :) | 15:14 |
| timirnich_ | ok | 15:14 |
| timirnich_ | that is all from my side | 15:14 |
| tmorin | we need to clean up the dependencies in requirements as a prerequisite for proper installer support | 15:15 |
| tmorin | I plan to work with radez to help on rpm packaging of the networking_bgpvpn module | 15:15 |
| tmorin | #topic auto_aggregate flag | 15:15 |
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| tmorin | me and matrohon were thinking about the auto_aggregate flag | 15:16 |
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| tmorin | unless some driver support it, we'd prefer documenting it, but as "not supporte yet" | 15:16 |
| janscheurich | The ODL backend does not support it | 15:17 |
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| tmorin | ok, so unless anyone disagress will document it as "not implemented yet" | 15:19 |
| werunthenight | lets do that | 15:20 |
| tmorin | #agreed document auto_aggregate as a future attribute | 15:20 |
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| tmorin | #topic release | 15:21 |
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| tmorin | we have a few things to define before we can do a release | 15:21 |
| tmorin | one thing that was clarified a little bit last week, is that we can now work in our backport/x and master branch without being blocked by the check-requirements job | 15:22 |
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| tmorin | but we still haven't clear guidelines on which branch to create for releases | 15:22 |
| enikher | shouldn't it be stable/liberty? | 15:22 |
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| tmorin | lots of discussion have happened on openstack-dev on how big tent and neutron stadium project can behave | 15:23 |
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| tmorin | enikher: this is one option, but if we're going to release more than one liberty-targetted release, that will not work | 15:23 |
| enikher | ah ok | 15:23 |
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| tmorin | another option is stable/[release-number] | 15:23 |
| janscheurich | But how do we indicate the target OS release in such bgpvpn releases? | 15:24 |
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| tmorin | but it is still unclear how that branch naming can be supported by the infra tools | 15:24 |
| enikher | the it will not be tested against liberty or? | 15:25 |
| tmorin | janscheurich: in documentation, and in requirements.txt | 15:25 |
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| janscheurich | But lets assume we have release X both for Liberty and backported to Kilo? | 15:25 |
| tmorin | enikher: yes, the issue is how to get the infra tools to test our branch X against the right stable/y of openstack (devstack in particular) | 15:25 |
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| tmorin | janscheurich: we are not in this case now, but this is not easily supported by the tools | 15:26 |
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| tmorin | janscheurich: if you've read the thread on openstack-dev that was mentioned also as an issue | 15:26 |
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| enikher | should we go now for stable/liberty and then later try to get stable/liberyV2 or something? | 15:27 |
| werunthenight | sure | 15:27 |
| janscheurich | What about stable/liberty_<Num> | 15:27 |
| janscheurich | and stable/kilo_<Num> | 15:28 |
| tmorin | janscheurich: the infra tools behavior is based on using the same branch names, using the branch as a prefix would not help in this area | 15:28 |
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| janscheurich | Where <NUM> stands for a given functional scope that is the same for both target releases. | 15:28 |
| tmorin | we are suffering from being among the few big tent projects, while process and tooling is not fully ready | 15:29 |
| janscheurich | tmorin: That problem anyhow needs to be solved | 15:29 |
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| janscheurich | so we should not let us constrain too much by the tooling limitations, or? | 15:29 |
| tmorin | janscheurich: yes, but we won't solve it in our own corner for our own project, we need to participate in community discussion to evolve process and tooling | 15:29 |
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| janscheurich | tmorin: of course. but we need to define some names now and can possibly adapt them at a later stage? | 15:30 |
| enikher | We should go for stable/liberty now and then push the community to be able to handel stable/liberty_<num> | 15:31 |
| tmorin | janscheurich: we need to adapt to what infra tools can do; while we can tweak some ci jobs, this has a limit: the limit is reached when infra tools find we are doing weird stuff that should have a better/clean more general answer for all big tent projects | 15:31 |
| tmorin | enikher: we can start with stable/liberty | 15:31 |
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| tmorin | enikher: I'm not sure about stable/liberty_<num> | 15:32 |
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| enikher | tmorin: Can you point us to the disscuion with infra team? | 15:33 |
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| tmorin | discussion with the infra team was both in gerrit and on IRC | 15:34 |
| tmorin | plus the discussions on openstack-dev | 15:34 |
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| enikher | mhh ok that is hard to folow for us | 15:34 |
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| tmorin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249322/ | 15:35 |
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| tmorin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249322/ | 15:35 |
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| tmorin | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079773.html | 15:36 |
| enikher | ok thanks | 15:37 |
| tmorin | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080233.html | 15:37 |
| tmorin | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/080865.html | 15:38 |
| enikher | tmorin: I think from your side there is no real requirement on the branching, as long infra is ok with it | 15:38 |
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| tmorin | true | 15:39 |
| enikher | tmorin: as said I think we should just go for stable/liberty for now and discuss the problem again when we want to release again on liberty | 15:39 |
| enikher | shure we can fight for it in the meanwhile :-) | 15:40 |
| tmorin | the two things important for us, if i summarize: being able to work in branch releases without requiring reviews from Neutron cores, and having infra tools that support our branch names and are able to test against the right devstack&neutron | 15:40 |
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| tmorin | enikher: that's what we are most likely to do, unless people TC&infra work out proper guidelines for the case which we are in | 15:41 |
| tmorin | anything else to discuss ? | 15:41 |
| enikher | It would be very good if from now on every commit which is done would be cherry-picked to kilo | 15:42 |
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| tmorin | enikher: you've done a good job of doing so, that would be fine with us if you keep tracking them and working on making them mergeable, | 15:43 |
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| tmorin | we will review and merge | 15:43 |
| enikher | mhhh | 15:43 |
| enikher | I though about that the original commiter will do so | 15:44 |
| enikher | it is quite hard for me to understand and merge every commit | 15:44 |
| wdeclercq | Only send cherry-picks AFTER it has already been merged to master? | 15:45 |
| enikher | yes | 15:45 |
| tmorin | wdeclercq: yes | 15:45 |
| wdeclercq | okay | 15:45 |
| tmorin | gerrit's "cherry-pick" button does not seem to work, though, the cherry-picking has to be manual | 15:45 |
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| tmorin | gerrit web UI cherry-pick is possibly be doing additional checks, and only supports cherry-picks without any conflict | 15:46 |
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| enikher | yes it is a problem | 15:47 |
| enikher | but git review is doing well for this | 15:47 |
| wdeclercq | Well it kind of makes sence that gerrit can't do anything if there are merge conflicts :) | 15:48 |
| tmorin | wdeclercq: yes :) | 15:48 |
| tmorin | wdeclercq: but in cases that seemed trivial to me, it wouldn't work either (e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251415 ) | 15:48 |
| enikher | mhh not sure way it is not working. Is there a team to ask that? | 15:50 |
| tmorin | enikher: on who to work on backporting changes: sometimes people doing commits will find the time to backport, sometimes the people most interested in the backport will have to ... we can't do much better than that | 15:50 |
| enikher | ok | 15:50 |
| tmorin | enikher: #openstack-infra folks know the intricacies of gerrit, they may know | 15:51 |
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| enikher | but then we will only backport needed commits and not merge the whole branch | 15:51 |
| enikher | the backport branch will then die after a while. | 15:51 |
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| enikher | ok, at least it would be nice to get help from the original commiter | 15:53 |
| enikher | :-) | 15:53 |
| tmorin | enikher: you can ask, I'm sure the initial commiter will help :) | 15:53 |
| tmorin | shall we wrap up ? | 15:53 |
| tmorin | anything else to add ? | 15:53 |
| enikher | is there an initiative to make a horizon plugin? | 15:54 |
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| tmorin | enikher: not yet, but last time we discussed, timirnich_ seemed to have an idea of someone having the right skills | 15:55 |
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| tmorin | that would be excellent to have | 15:55 |
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| enikher | tmorin: horizon or heat? | 15:56 |
| tmorin | additionally to having support for the key operation in the right dialogs, we discussed the idea of having bgpvpns appear in the network topoloy | 15:56 |
| timirnich_ | enikher: let's have a coffee about this ;-) | 15:56 |
| tmorin | enikher: horizon :) | 15:56 |
| wdeclercq | Note that there's some undocumented documentation ;) about plugins for horizon: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233709/12/doc/source/tutorials/plugin.rst | 15:56 |
| tmorin | the cloud-style network topology display could nicely be augmented with links for bgpvpns | 15:56 |
| tmorin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233709/12/doc/source/tutorials/plugin.rst | 15:57 |
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| tmorin | good to know ! | 15:57 |
| wdeclercq | we linked the same :p | 15:57 |
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| tmorin | wdeclercq: I just took your link to have it appear in IRC minutes | 15:58 |
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| tmorin | with the keyword for the IRC meeting bot | 15:58 |
| wdeclercq | right | 15:58 |
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| tmorin | enikher: you also had Heat work in mind right ? | 15:58 |
| enikher | yes | 15:58 |
| enikher | tmorin: but that is not yet decided | 15:59 |
| tmorin | enikher: feel free to propose a change on this as well, that would be highly welcome | 15:59 |
| tmorin | enikher: ok | 15:59 |
| tmorin | ok, let's wrap up | 15:59 |
| tmorin | thanks everyone | 15:59 |
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| wdeclercq | o/ | 15:59 |
| tmorin | keep up the good work ! ;) | 15:59 |
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| tmorin | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 1 16:00:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-12-01-15.02.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-12-01-15.02.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-12-01-15.02.log.html | 16:00 |
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| adrian_otto | irc://chat.freenode.net:6667/#startmeeting containers | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 1 16:02:50 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2015-12-01_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:03 |
| wanghua | o/ | 16:03 |
| Drago | o/ | 16:03 |
| Kennan | o/ | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | sorry for the delay. | 16:03 |
| dimtruck | o/ | 16:03 |
| dane | o/ | 16:03 |
| hongbin | o/ | 16:03 |
| houming | o/ | 16:04 |
| rpothier | o/ | 16:04 |
| daneyon | o/ | 16:04 |
| rods | o/ | 16:04 |
| juggler | o/ Perry Rivera | 16:04 |
| Tango | o/ | 16:04 |
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| eghobo | o/ | 16:04 |
| muralia | o/ | 16:04 |
| suro-patz | o/ | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | hello wanghua, Drago, Kennan, dimtruck, dane, hongbin, houming, rpothier, daneyon, rods, juggler, Tango, eghobo, muralia, and suro-patz | 16:05 |
| muralia | Hi everyone | 16:05 |
| juggler | hello all | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) Blueprints have been targeted for Mitaka. | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | If you disagree with any of the selections, please see adrian_otto. | 16:06 |
| daneyon | adrian_otto I have to leave in a few minutes to attend a customer meeting. | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | daneyon: ok | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | If you are unable to commit to implementing the blueprints, or finding contributors who can, let's un-target them from Mitaka, or get them re-assigned. | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | Several blueprints need further detail or team discussion to be considered. Priority values for these have been temporarily set to "Not" pending clarity. | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | we will have a chance to discuss a few of those today | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | for the ones we do not get to, let's plan to use our ML | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | any other announcements from team members? | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:07 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) adrian_otto to review https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-magnum-planning and use it to target Mitaka blueprints | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | Status: COMPLETE | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | that was the only action item. | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | Container Networking Subteam Update (daneyon) | 16:07 |
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| adrian_otto | daneyon: maybe you can make a quick update before you take off? | 16:08 |
| daneyon | sure | 16:08 |
| daneyon | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-11-19-18.01.html | 16:08 |
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| daneyon | ^ of last week's meeting | 16:08 |
| daneyon | I created a support matrix for the CNM | 16:08 |
| daneyon | one sec and I'll get it | 16:08 |
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| daneyon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Magnum/NetworkDriverMatrix | 16:09 |
| daneyon | ^ network rivers | 16:09 |
| daneyon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Magnum/LabelMatrix | 16:09 |
| daneyon | ^ labels | 16:09 |
| daneyon | I separated the 2 b/c i think labels can be applicable beyond the CNM. | 16:10 |
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| daneyon | Tango is working on option 2 of this patch | 16:10 |
| daneyon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241866/ | 16:10 |
| daneyon | to provide a non-overlay option for the flannel driver. | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks daneyon | 16:10 |
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| daneyon | wanghua is working on containerizing k8s services, including etcd and flannel | 16:11 |
| daneyon | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/run-kube-as-container | 16:11 |
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| daneyon | that's about it | 16:11 |
| daneyon | any questions? | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | cool | 16:11 |
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| wanghua | egor don't support to run flannel in container | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, we appreciate the update daneyon | 16:11 |
| daneyon | :-) | 16:12 |
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| adrian_otto | wanghua: if we only use the chroot (mount) namespace, that would still be better than nothing. | 16:12 |
| daneyon | wanghua let's continue that discussion on the ML | 16:12 |
| daneyon | i think their is pro's and con;s to both approaches | 16:12 |
| wanghua | OK | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | I am confident that we can make it work, even if it requires some compromises | 16:12 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Magnum UI Subteam Update (bradjones) | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | brad sent his regrets, and will attend next week | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | nothing to share this time | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | next week I will begin the "Essential Blueprint Updates" agenda item, but I will skip it this week, since the owners have not been given sufficient time to prepare an update. | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | if you own a blueprint marked Essential, please arrange to have a breif update to share with the team each week here in our team meetings about that work | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | Blueprint Discussion | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-baremetal-full-support Support baremetal container clusters (adrian_otto, kennan) | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so this one I really struggled with, Kennan | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | I do see baremetal support for Magnum as a top priority, but... | 16:15 |
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| Kennan | adrian_otto: it was planed before summit. right now I did not intend to make it M release | 16:15 |
| Kennan | as ironic neutron has gaps | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | pursuant to our discussions with Ironic devs in Tokyo, I'm reluctant to put baremetal workarounds directly into Magnum when they belong in Ironic. | 16:15 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so are you okay with the way it is currently marked? | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | should I mark it Obsolete? | 16:16 |
| Kennan | yes I think it can be in next release. | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | our current plan of record is to await the expected solution of this in Ironic | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | ok, then I will leave it the way it is, and we can re-prioritize it next time | 16:17 |
| Kennan | sure | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | that was the only blueprint in the request list for Mitaka that was not included. All the others were. | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | I expect that we will need to prune the Mitaka target list more as we go | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | just because I targeted a blueprint for the release does not mean you are committed to complete it… unless it's an Essential or High priority. | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | if that's the case, let's talk about them | 16:18 |
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| adrian_otto | here is one: | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/versioning-rpc-server Versioning rpc server and client (eliqiao) | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | eliqiao: you requested discussion on this | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | this is one that I set to "Not" priority pending team discussion | 16:19 |
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| adrian_otto | keep in mind that if I mark a blueprint "Not", it does not mean I am rejecting it. For that action I use the "Obsolete" design action. | 16:19 |
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| adrian_otto | "Not" priority means I have reviewed it, and need more input before giving it a different priority, or taking another administrative action. Basically I am treating this as "Pending" | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | eliqiao: yt? | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | we can come back to this one later. | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-tempest Magnum APIs Test coverage in Tempest Lib (dimtruck) | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | Implementation: #link https://review.openstack.org/247083 Tempest plugin work (dimtruck) | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | dimtruck: you requested discussion on this one | 16:21 |
| dimtruck | sure - it was more of the approach question - i think we covered it last week? | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | ok, moving to the next | 16:22 |
| dimtruck | but i'm planning on rebasing it and pushing new changes today | 16:22 |
| dimtruck | thanks | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/support-for-different-docker-storage-driver Docker storage drivers (wanghua) | 16:22 |
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| adrian_otto | wanghua: you requested discussion on this one? | 16:23 |
| wanghua | yes | 16:23 |
| wanghua | I register this bp a hour ago and I think it is necessary | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | today alternate storage drivers can be selected by building an alternate glance image for your bay node with the modified config | 16:24 |
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| adrian_otto | is there a reason this needs to be part of Magnum? | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | might it be acceptable to document the process of how to modify the image? | 16:25 |
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| wanghua | I think not only modify the image | 16:25 |
| eghobo | adrian_otto: it's config parameter for daemon | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | eghobo: yes, that's why I'm struggling to understand why Magnum has a role here | 16:26 |
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| eghobo | wanghua: honestly there is not many choices yet ):, e.g. DeviceMappper is only option for RHEL based | 16:27 |
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| eghobo | wanghua: could you elaborate, what is your end goal? | 16:27 |
| Tango | Maybe there is a case where building the custom image is not sufficient? | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | my current position is that our various COE's and constituent components (such as Docker) have a wide range of configuration options, and it would be impractical to implement setting all of them from Magnum. | 16:27 |
| Kennan | seems aufs is used many in docker part | 16:27 |
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| adrian_otto | so we should carefully consider which ones we add support for, and why. | 16:28 |
| Kennan | it seems we can support most populated used driver, not increase so many drivers now | 16:28 |
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| Kennan | I think or magnum need stable and scale, not include so many drivers | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | Kennan: that sounds sensible to me. | 16:28 |
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| adrian_otto | wanghua: can you explain a bit more about why you feel this is an important addition? | 16:29 |
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| eghobo | Kennan: most suitable driver usually part of OS package ;) | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | I want to be sure we fully consider that point of view before making any decision | 16:29 |
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| wanghua | storage and network are important to docker | 16:30 |
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| wanghua | we have different network drivers, why we don't have storage drivers | 16:30 |
| Kennan | yes, as we have one image now, like fedora eghobo: or we have ubuntu, we'd better have a standard implementaion | 16:30 |
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| Kennan | and further neededs drivers usually not need to implement now. like neutron, and ironic, they have separate drivers to maintain for later needs | 16:31 |
| eghobo | Kennan: sorry we cannot, aufs doesn't work at RHEL ): | 16:31 |
| Kennan | yes, I just use aufs as example, not restrict to RHEL | 16:32 |
| Kennan | my point is we have only one image now, we need so many drivers now | 16:32 |
| Kennan | why | 16:32 |
| Kennan | typo s/we/why | 16:32 |
| eghobo | Kennan: overlayfs maybe this command ground but it has long way to go | 16:32 |
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| hongbin | I lean to have one storage driver now, unless someone who is using magnum asks for another | 16:33 |
| Kennan | +1 hongbin | 16:33 |
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| Tango | +1 | 16:33 |
| houming | +1 | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so I think this idea has some merit, and we should revisit it at a later time | 16:33 |
| hongbin | wanghua: additional driver increase the maintain cost | 16:33 |
| eghobo | we can add daemon option it doesn't sound as big task | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | if users start asking for this, that will elevate our relative priority for this | 16:34 |
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| wanghua | ok, we can revisit it at a later time | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | wanghua: I suggest adding an outline to explain the planned implementation, and a level-of-effort estimate, and place that in the description. | 16:34 |
| wanghua | ok | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | and we can come back to this when we have both 1) A user seeking this, and 2) A developer willing to add it | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | fair enough? | 16:35 |
| juggler | +1 hongbin | 16:35 |
| Kennan | sounds ok adrian_otto | 16:35 |
| wanghua | adrian_otto, do you know any company is using magnum now? | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | there are several who are in pre-release | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | but I have some information that's restricted by NDA | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | so I prefer that magnum users identify themselves rather than me | 16:37 |
| eliqiao | adrian_otto: and what the primary COE for them? | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | I can tell you that Rackspace Carina has chosen Docker Swarm as its first COE | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | Carina by Rackspace is the correct product name, sorry. | 16:38 |
| eliqiao | oh, cool. | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | Kubernetes seems to be the more popular one under review. | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | with Mesos as a close third to Docker Swarm | 16:38 |
| houming | From google: eBay plans to make use of the Magnum plug-in for OpenStack :) | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | the ones who like Mesos tend to be the ones with large scale data analysis workloads | 16:39 |
| Kennan | houming: sounds ok. any link ? | 16:39 |
| eghobo | houming: I don't think this information is correct | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | Subtopic: Review Discussion | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/250999 Add docker-bootstrap (wanghua) | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin flagged this one as workflow-1 | 16:40 |
| eliqiao | hi adrian_otto sorry for interupt, are we done Versioning rpc server? | 16:41 |
| hongbin | Yes, I want to make sure this is the right direction before working on the implementation | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I did I skip that? | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | ok, let's jump back to that next. | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | eliqiao: I will revisit that | 16:42 |
| eliqiao | adrian_otto: okay, thx. | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin: anything we should discuss now regarding review 250999? | 16:42 |
| Kennan | I agree with eghobo: better not container related to make complicated | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | wanghua: did you request discussion on this one? | 16:43 |
| hongbin | Yes, it is related to containerize flannel and daneyon is not here | 16:43 |
| hongbin | wanghua: eghobo could we discuss it in ML? | 16:43 |
| Kennan | although not dig much, but I thik something is not needed to be containerized | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | ok, we can include it for next week | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | I will take an action for that | 16:43 |
| hongbin | sure | 16:43 |
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| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to raise "#link https://review.openstack.org/250999 Add docker-bootstrap (wanghua)" for discussion in next week's agenda | 16:44 |
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| adrian_otto | or you can discuss in #openstack-containers or ML in the mean time to work it out | 16:44 |
| wanghua | I will start a ml later | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/versioning-rpc-server Versioning rpc server and client (eliqiao) | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | thanks wanghua | 16:45 |
| eliqiao | I am not sure if it is too early to push versioning to rpc server. | 16:45 |
| eghobo | wanghua: sure I already put all my thoughts in email, you can agree with it or not ;) | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | eliqiao: I see you submitted a review on this: | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/247308 Add conductor manager to handle all RPC handler | 16:46 |
| eghobo | i still believe it better to put effort for Ubuntu and CoreOS ;) | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | ok, the blueprint is currently in "Not" status | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | I'm willing to leave it that way if we agree there are more important things to attend to first | 16:47 |
| eliqiao | adrian_otto: can I know somthing about why? | 16:47 |
| eliqiao | adrian_otto: okay, seems we'd focus on feature enable on conainers. | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | eliqiao: because the review did not have any +1 votes, and you requested discussion on it. I did not want to prioritize it without your input first. | 16:47 |
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| eliqiao | adrian_otto: hmm. actually I'd like to make some rpc call async, so the behavior may changes for some of the rpc api call. | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | I think async conductor work for scalability should happen too, but I'm not sure which of these should actually come first. | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | as having the versioning in there would allow us to migrate to the next implementation, right? | 16:49 |
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| hongbin | I think it is better to review the async proposal first | 16:49 |
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| adrian_otto | so I could set https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/async-rpc-api to depend on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/versioning-rpc-server | 16:50 |
| eliqiao | adrian_otto: if we don't have versioning, and we change the rpc behavior, then how to identify which methhod is called? | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | and match the priority | 16:50 |
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| adrian_otto | eliqiao: yes, that's a legitimate concern | 16:50 |
| Tango | Do we plan to keep both async and non-async RPC? | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | Tango: no, we want to replace sync with async | 16:51 |
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| Kennan | if async is better, why need both. have same question as Tango | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | because you can simulate sync behavior with an async client that polls and blocks | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | but you can't do the reverse | 16:51 |
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| Tango | So for now, is it OK to just move to async, despite the change in behavior? | 16:52 |
| Tango | a little disruptive, but we don't want non-async anyway | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | my gut says yes, but I'm open to alternate viewpoints | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | the only thing that uses our RPC API is Magnum itself | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | so I don't think we risk breaking third party software | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | is that true? | 16:53 |
| Kennan | if not break funtional too often. is that concern eliqiao ? you want two versions to make sure easily migrate to async | 16:53 |
| Kennan | ? | 16:53 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: yes, I think so | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I'm going to lave this alone | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | we have a couple of quick things to touch on before open discussion | 16:53 |
| eliqiao | if you have 2 conductors at same time? I am considering the upgrade process. | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | eliqiao: good point | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | depends on LOE | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/225400 Add registry_address to bay db and api (wanghua) | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | let's wrap up this one | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | wanghua: any remarks on this one? | 16:55 |
| wanghua | Do we need to tell the user the url of docker registery | 16:55 |
| wanghua | or hardcoded it to localhost:5000 | 16:55 |
| Kennan | wanghua: is that for private registery case ? | 16:55 |
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| wanghua | Kennan: yes | 16:56 |
| eliqiao | wanghua: if you have a registery inside of k8s cluster, then where is the image from? | 16:56 |
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| wanghua | eliqiao: now you should make docker images in the bay and upload them to docker registery. | 16:56 |
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| adrian_otto | sorry to queeze this one on time | 16:57 |
| eliqiao | wanghua: hmm... if user want to add new images to registery, how will they do if you don't expose the url of registery? | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:57 |
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| Kennan | seems can discuss in ML or IRC in contianers | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | welcome to continue the 225400 discussion if desired | 16:57 |
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| adrian_otto | just have a couple of minutes remaining for miscellaneous items | 16:58 |
| eliqiao | wanghua: any concern not to expose registery url? | 16:58 |
| wanghua | I think it is necessary | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | our next meeting will be in #openstack-meeting-alt on Tuesday 2015-12-08 at 1600 UTC. See you all then! | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | thanks for attending today! | 16:59 |
| Kennan | bye | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 1 16:59:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| eliqiao | CU | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-12-01-16.02.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-12-01-16.02.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-12-01-16.02.log.html | 16:59 |
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| Nikolay_St | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 1 17:00:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Nikolay_St. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:00 |
| Nikolay_St | and it's murano TIIIME! | 17:00 |
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| Nikolay_St | hi all | 17:00 |
| katyafervent | hi | 17:00 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ativelkov: and I are both here ) | 17:00 |
| Nikolay_St | we don't have much for today, let's start with action items review | 17:00 |
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| Nikolay_St | #topic Action items review | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items review (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:01 | |
| hidekazu_ | hi,i'm new. | 17:01 |
| Nikolay_St | freerunner: kzaitsev_mb please | 17:01 |
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| Nikolay_St | hidekazu_: hi | 17:01 |
| hidekazu_ | sorry, please. | 17:01 |
| Nikolay_St | hidekazu_: do you need explanation about how weekly meetings works? | 17:02 |
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| stan_lagun | hi | 17:02 |
| kzaitsev_mb | 1) kzaitsev_mb help Li Yingjun with bug #1514692 | 17:02 |
| openstack | bug 1514692 in Rally "Murano does not get keystone endpoint when Keystone is configured to use templated catalog" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1514692 - Assigned to Liyingjun (liyingjun) | 17:02 |
| kzaitsev_mb | well app the patches are merged | 17:02 |
| hidekazu_ | no, i read previous log. thanks. | 17:02 |
| Nikolay_St | hidekazu_: ok, nice :) | 17:02 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so everything is fine with that item, except, that client gate got blocked for half a day ) | 17:02 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/1514692 | 17:03 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | 2) merge dependency blueprints | 17:03 |
| kzaitsev_mb | haven't done that =( | 17:03 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | lets move it to next meeting | 17:03 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev_mb merge dependency blueprints | 17:03 |
| Nikolay_St | ok | 17:04 |
| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: I suupose you'll move the rtfd action to the next meeting too, right? | 17:04 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | right? | 17:04 |
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| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: here I'am! | 17:05 |
| freerunner | Hi guys! | 17:05 |
| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: Yup. Will try to do it ;) | 17:05 |
| Nikolay_St | freerunner: kzaitsev_mb thx for updates | 17:05 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #action freerunner add job to Murano CI for building docs for ReadTheDocs | 17:05 |
| Nikolay_St | I guess we can move to OpenDiscussion, right? | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St: I think you're right ) no agenda for today | 17:06 |
| Nikolay_St | #topic Open Discussion | 17:06 |
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| hidekazu_ | stan invited me to discuss my proposing bp. | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | hidekazu_: got anything specific? =) or you're just curious about murano? =) | 17:06 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | oh cool | 17:07 |
| hidekazu_ | please see. | 17:07 |
| hidekazu_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246273/ | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246273/ | 17:07 |
| hidekazu_ | I want to know what others think about this. | 17:08 |
| hidekazu_ | though stan is not here.. | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | hidekazu_: well community meeting is usually not the best place, cause people would need to read the spec ) | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | but we'll definitelly give it a read ) | 17:09 |
| Nikolay_St | stan_lagun: are you here? | 17:10 |
| hidekazu_ | kzaitsev_mb: sorry. you are right. | 17:10 |
| stan_lagun | Nikolay_St: I'm on 2 meetings concurrently :) | 17:10 |
| Nikolay_St | oh) | 17:10 |
| katyafervent | it is a short spec, I think we have time to read it | 17:10 |
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| Nikolay_St | katyafervent: isn't it better to start openstack-dev list conversation? | 17:11 |
| Nikolay_St | just a suggestion | 17:12 |
| katyafervent | we could, but Stan suggested to come to irc meeting and no one else review this patch ar all | 17:12 |
| katyafervent | * at all | 17:12 |
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| katyafervent | so it would be good from our side to make it now since we have 40 minutes left and it's open discussion already | 17:13 |
| Nikolay_St | stan_lagun is a little bit busy right now, I guess | 17:13 |
| hidekazu_ | i need other's opinion. | 17:13 |
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| stan_lagun | Actuall my opinion is already there. I'd like to heat what others think | 17:14 |
| hidekazu_ | anyone else review is also welcome. | 17:14 |
| stan_lagun | *hear* | 17:15 |
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| hidekazu_ | our conversation in the review is not short :) | 17:16 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | K. So I've got a really short announcement | 17:16 |
| kzaitsev_mb | mitaka-1 is this week. | 17:17 |
| katyafervent | Actually I don't mind, if this functionality can be easily extended in the future without loosing backward compatibility | 17:17 |
| freerunner | I haven't read all comments yet, but generally, I like idea of the spec. I've already saw the same options in other projects. So, if this one will be implemented, in theory. it should increase performance of murano. | 17:17 |
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| Nikolay_St | I read the spec earlier today and I just wondered why should murano-engine manage workers. sorry it the answer is present - I may miss it | 17:18 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Gonna tag it, probably Thursday. Also gonna release python-client ) | 17:18 |
| kzaitsev_mb | So this is all I wanted to announce =) | 17:19 |
| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: Nice to hear :) | 17:19 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sry, I'm also on 2 meetings concurrently right now ))) | 17:19 |
| stan_lagun | Nikolay_St: we do need them for scalability/HA etc. The question is what proposed approach to be better then alternatives? | 17:19 |
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| Nikolay_St | stan_lagun: that was I want to say | 17:21 |
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| Nikolay_St | hidekazu_: so, once again why not deployment tools for this? | 17:25 |
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| Nikolay_St | can't find an answer for this question in your conversation with stan_lagun | 17:25 |
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| hidekazu_ | Production environment is need to use deployment tool of course for several machines, i think. | 17:27 |
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| Nikolay_St | hidekazu_: I'm not against the spec and bp, but I guess you need to be more specific of why you want to do it and why alternatives is not good | 17:30 |
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| hidekazu_ | you mean best means? | 17:31 |
| stan_lagun | Nikolay_St: that what I was saying. I'm a little bit skeptical about proposed solution but I'm open for an arguments | 17:31 |
| stan_lagun | Because I do have arguments against | 17:31 |
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| hidekazu_ | for poc etc, easy way is better. | 17:32 |
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| Nikolay_St | hidekazu_: you mean development environments? | 17:33 |
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| hidekazu_ | no, such as stress test environment. | 17:33 |
| hidekazu_ | fo production enviroment, must create playbooks etc. | 17:34 |
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| stan_lagun | and there is also a supervisord who does similar things. Only that it is time proven and very powerful | 17:36 |
| Nikolay_St | hidekazu_: we have devstack and puppet-murano | 17:36 |
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| freerunner | hidekazu_: stan_lagun I've read the spec once again. So I'm not really sure, that workers should be managed by Puppet,, Ansible, etc.. Workers should be spawned as child processes with WSGI help, I think. And shouldn't start manually. | 17:36 |
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| stan_lagun | freerunner: I believe that worker management should be external to murano-engine | 17:38 |
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| stan_lagun | freerunner: and to Murano API as well | 17:38 |
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| freerunner | stan_lagun: External? You mean, that murano shouldn't manage workers via wsgi? | 17:40 |
| Nikolay_St | stan_lagun: freerunner may be we should create anotheer murano_smthg for workers? | 17:41 |
| stan_lagun | Nikolay_St: looks like reinventing the wheel | 17:42 |
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| Nikolay_St | stan_lagun: may be, it's a suggestion, nothing more | 17:42 |
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| stan_lagun | freerunner: WSGI is also external. What I'm saying is that murano-engine (spec is mainly about engine, isn't it) shouldn't start workers on its own. I think it should be a responsibility of some external system (supervisord, systemd, proper puppets etc) | 17:43 |
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| stan_lagun | but again I might be wrong. So what I was asking for is to provide comparison with alternatives in the spec | 17:44 |
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| freerunner | stan_lagun: hidekazu_ : I'm not sure, that we can find the alternatives, but I agreed in this case. Murano-engine shouldn't start workers by itself. So, using WSGI is a better solution (IMHO), and you can use puppets and other deployment tools just for configure worker count in murano.config. (and start murano services as well, yep) | 17:48 |
| stan_lagun | freerunner: isn't WSGI for http apps? murano-engine doesn't even listen on any port | 17:49 |
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| hidekazu_ | freerunner: worker count in config is written in spec. | 17:50 |
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| freerunner | stan_lagun: Khm. Will check it. | 17:54 |
| hidekazu_ | i have used puppet, ansible. but not supervisor. ok, i must try to manage workers by those tool. | 17:54 |
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| Nikolay_St | ok | 17:56 |
| Nikolay_St | so, is this all for today, guys? | 17:56 |
| hidekazu_ | thanks. | 17:56 |
| freerunner | hidekazu_: I recommend you to write a letter with your questions to openstack-dev with [murano] tag in topic. | 17:58 |
| hidekazu_ | freerunner, thank you for advise. | 17:59 |
| freerunner | hidekazu_: Thank you for your spec ;) | 17:59 |
| hidekazu_ | now 3 am at tokyo, bye. | 18:00 |
| Nikolay_St | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 1 18:00:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-12-01-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-12-01-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-12-01-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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| sputnik13 | #startmeeting cue | 18:09 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 1 18:09:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sputnik13. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:09 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:09 |
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| sputnik13 | role call | 18:09 |
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| sputnik13 | o/ | 18:09 |
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| sputnik13 | hmmm | 18:11 |
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| sputnik13 | ok, I guess no meeting today, too many people on vacation :( | 18:13 |
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| sputnik13 | #endmeeting cue | 18:13 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 1 18:13:43 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:13 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-12-01-18.09.html | 18:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cue/2015/cue.2015-12-01-18.09.txt | 18:13 |
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| gibi | #startmeeting nova notification | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 1 20:00:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gibi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova notification)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_notification' | 20:00 |
| gibi | hi! | 20:00 |
| rlrossit | hi gibi! | 20:00 |
| gibi | hi rlrossit | 20:00 |
| gibi | was the turkey good? | 20:01 |
| rlrossit | it was | 20:01 |
| rlrossit | and there was a lot of it | 20:01 |
| gibi | good and lot is a nice combination :) | 20:01 |
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| gibi | OK, lets start | 20:02 |
| gibi | #topic actions from previous meeting | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from previous meeting (Meeting topic: nova notification)" | 20:03 | |
| gibi | There was only a single action to make sure that we can talk about notifications in the midcycle | 20:03 |
| gibi | and I found out that there is no need to register a sessions | 20:03 |
| gibi | as there will be meetup style discussion | 20:03 |
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| gibi | there is a common etherpad for it | 20:03 |
| gibi | but it is still empty | 20:04 |
| rlrossit | yeah it was pretty free-flowing at the last midcycle | 20:04 |
| gibi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-midcycle | 20:04 |
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| gibi | also in the meantime I got my travel approved so I will be Bristol | 20:04 |
| rlrossit | good. you'll probably have to do the talking for both of us :) | 20:05 |
| gibi | I will try :) | 20:05 |
| gibi | Ok so moving forward | 20:05 |
| gibi | #topic open reviews | 20:05 |
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| gibi | as we agreed I updated the commit chain based on the white-list idea | 20:06 |
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| gibi | while you were eating turkey :) | 20:06 |
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| rlrossit | yup. I stuck a review on the infra patch to change over how you handle the fingerprint generation in the version checker subclass | 20:07 |
| gibi | btw thanks for the comment regarding the version checker, I agree that it is hackish | 20:07 |
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| rlrossit | I'm actually working on updating the version checker in o.vo, but before I update that, I want tests around the fixture so I know I don't break anything | 20:08 |
| gibi | rlrossit: great! | 20:08 |
| rlrossit | it'll allow you to stick in custom stuff to generate the fingerprint from | 20:08 |
| gibi | sounds perfekt | 20:08 |
| rlrossit | so I definitely found something to work on :) | 20:08 |
| gibi | good to hear that you are happy :) | 20:09 |
| gibi | just put me in the review. | 20:09 |
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| rlrossit | that'll take a bit to put up... | 20:10 |
| gibi | how does it work between oslo and nova? Does nova uplifts to new oslo o.vo automatically or it is a painful process? | 20:10 |
| rlrossit | lots of tests | 20:10 |
| rlrossit | it's pretty easy | 20:10 |
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| gibi | Ok, then I will change the current hack to a less awful one based on your suggestion and that can live in the review until you enhance o.vo | 20:11 |
| rlrossit | get the stuff in o.vo, update openstack/releases to bump the release of o.vo, update openstack/requirements to require the new version of o.vo, wait for proposalbot to send that update to requirements.txt to nova | 20:11 |
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| rlrossit | and I'm totally fine with getting the less hacky version in, and then update it when o.vo gets updated | 20:11 |
| gibi | then it is agreed! :) | 20:12 |
| gibi | (It is so easy to agree if it is only two of us) | 20:12 |
| gibi | there as a bit bigger concern in the ML thread | 20:12 |
| gibi | Sean suggested to reuse the REST API schemas for the notifications | 20:13 |
| gibi | but I have concernss | 20:13 |
| gibi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/080956.html | 20:13 |
| rlrossit | I have no idea how that works, so I'm going to stay out of that one... | 20:13 |
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| gibi | I feel that Sean's problem is that we now creating yet another model defines the schema of the Notification payload, but we already have a bit similar schema for the REST responses | 20:14 |
| gibi | which seems to be a duplicate thing | 20:14 |
| gibi | but It think the intent and in lot of cases the content of the notification is different from the REST respons | 20:15 |
| gibi | so it is hard to cleanly reuse the existing schema | 20:15 |
| gibi | anyhow I state my issues in the ML | 20:16 |
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| gibi | let's see where that discussion goes | 20:16 |
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| gibi | besides that I' waiting for reviews before I feel confident to move forward to transform the next notification into versioned format | 20:17 |
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| gibi | thats is all from my side regarding the open reviews | 20:18 |
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| rlrossit | yeah for now I'm concentrating on just getting the bottom patch done | 20:19 |
| gibi | which is a good thing | 20:19 |
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| gibi | anything else on the reviews? | 20:20 |
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| rlrossit | nope | 20:20 |
| gibi | #topic open discussion | 20:20 |
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| gibi | anything else? | 20:20 |
| * gibi feels we will close soon :) | 20:21 | |
| rlrossit | nnnnnnnnnnnnnnope | 20:21 |
| rlrossit | pretty calm on my end | 20:21 |
| gibi | then, thanks for the effort | 20:21 |
| gibi | and lets close this early | 20:21 |
| rlrossit | sounds good | 20:21 |
| gibi | #endmeeting | 20:22 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 1 20:22:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_notification/2015/nova_notification.2015-12-01-20.00.html | 20:22 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_notification/2015/nova_notification.2015-12-01-20.00.txt | 20:22 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_notification/2015/nova_notification.2015-12-01-20.00.log.html | 20:22 |
| gibi | thanks! Bye! | 20:22 |
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