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| sgordon | whoops | 14:02 |
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| sgordon | time flies when you are having fun | 14:02 |
| sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 9 14:02:22 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 14:02 |
| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:02 |
| sgordon | #topic roll call | 14:02 |
| sgordon | o/ | 14:02 |
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| cloudon | hi | 14:02 |
| sgordon | hiya | 14:02 |
| sgordon | i am imagining that this will be pretty quick :) | 14:03 |
| cloudon | yup... | 14:03 |
| sgordon | #topic Complex Instance Placement Updates | 14:03 |
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| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251442/ | 14:03 |
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| sgordon | i made a thing! | 14:03 |
| sgordon | and by that i mean i integrated your feedback including the small nit | 14:03 |
| cloudon | saw that, thanks | 14:03 |
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| sgordon | will see what arkady and others have to say about the updates | 14:03 |
| cloudon | looking at it again just now, I wonder about this sentence preceding your cahnges... | 14:03 |
| cloudon | (waits while he figures out how to use gerrit) | 14:04 |
| cloudon | There is however no concept of having two separate groups of instances where the instances in the group have one policy towards each other, and a different policy towards all instances in the other group. | 14:04 |
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| sgordon | right | 14:05 |
| sgordon | so effectively | 14:05 |
| cloudon | Think you added that - not sure I understand | 14:05 |
| sgordon | Instances in group A have affinity for each other | 14:05 |
| sgordon | Instances in group B have affinity for each other | 14:05 |
| sgordon | Instances in group A have anti-affinity for instances in group B (and vice versa) | 14:05 |
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| cloudon | OK, gotcha. So extending current pair-wise affinity both to (a) (anti-)affinity between groups and (b) clustering within a group | 14:07 |
| sgordon | right | 14:07 |
| sgordon | i can probably make that clearer with an ascii diagram | 14:08 |
| sgordon | ignoring that my artistic ability is confusable with that of a rock | 14:08 |
| cloudon | ok, makes sense. hadn't thought of the first - what sort of use case do you have in mind? | 14:08 |
| cloudon | Boxes are good. All you need. | 14:08 |
| sgordon | i would have to re-confirm with the relevant NEPs but effectively each group is an "instance" of a complex application, itself made up of several instances | 14:09 |
| sgordon | so you want the parts of the complex application close to each other for performance | 14:09 |
| sgordon | but you want a spread of them across the infra for resiliency | 14:09 |
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| cloudon | Ah, right. So maybe not necessarily separate tiers within an app, rather two instances of the same tier? | 14:10 |
| sgordon | yeah | 14:10 |
| cloudon | makes sense | 14:10 |
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| sgordon | #action sgordon to update complex instance placement user story with more detail and diagram for (anti-)affinity between groups (which also have their own policies) | 14:11 |
| gjayavelu_ | sgordon: IIRC, we need ability to limit the # of instances in group, and ability to specific a set of host(s) for placement. am i missing any other variable? | 14:11 |
| cloudon | why do you need to specify hosts? | 14:12 |
| sgordon | i dont believe either of those things are part of this proposal atm | 14:12 |
| gjayavelu_ | ah ok | 14:12 |
| sgordon | we know already that specifying hosts will be rejected | 14:12 |
| sgordon | from a project implementation pov | 14:12 |
| sgordon | what's the driver for limiting the # of instances in the group (versus just not creating them :)) | 14:13 |
| sgordon | are you talking about like a group quota? | 14:13 |
| gjayavelu_ | not the hosts directly, but in the form of AZs | 14:13 |
| sgordon | you can actually use AZs alongside groups already today | 14:13 |
| sgordon | they are different filters | 14:13 |
| gjayavelu_ | ok | 14:14 |
| sgordon | obviously if you specify the same affinity group and different AZs when booting though you will get a failure to launch on one of them | 14:14 |
| sgordon | :D | 14:14 |
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| sgordon | gjayavelu_, what about the # of instances question? can you explain the driver for that? | 14:16 |
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| gjayavelu_ | One is DoS and second could be prevent all VMs of group failing when a host dies. I'm trying to pull that spec..I believe there is already an option to do that. | 14:18 |
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| gjayavelu_ | i mean there is an option to limit # of instances | 14:18 |
| cloudon | That 2nd pasrt is one of the purposes of this proposal.. | 14:19 |
| sgordon | yeah there is a quota for that | 14:19 |
| sgordon | it is not group specific it is how many instances the tenant can create period | 14:19 |
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| sgordon | ok | 14:22 |
| sgordon | let's keep bouncing this around on the spec review | 14:22 |
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| sgordon | s/spec/user story/ | 14:23 |
| sgordon | i will also try and get something up for one of the other ones we are moving across this week | 14:23 |
| sgordon | #action sgordon to propose sec segregation or session border control against product wg repo | 14:23 |
| sgordon | thanks for your time | 14:23 |
| cloudon | cheers | 14:23 |
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| sgordon | #endmeeting | 14:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 9 14:27:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-12-09-14.02.html | 14:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-12-09-14.02.txt | 14:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-12-09-14.02.log.html | 14:27 |
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| Swami | hi | 14:59 |
| haleyb | #startmeeting neutron_dvr | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 9 15:00:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is haleyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_dvr' | 15:00 |
| haleyb | hi swami | 15:00 |
| haleyb | #chair Swami | 15:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Swami haleyb | 15:00 |
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| obondarev | o/ | 15:00 |
| Swami | obondarev:hi | 15:01 |
| haleyb | Swami: i had a complete system failure earlier this morning, so if I disappear it's all yours... | 15:01 |
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| Swami | haleyb: no problem | 15:01 |
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| regXboi | hi | 15:01 |
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| Swami | I have to leave early today, so may be we can wind up the meeting early | 15:01 |
| regXboi | I'm in favor of that | 15:01 |
| haleyb | sure | 15:02 |
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| haleyb | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
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| Swami | haleyb: I have edited the meeting wiki with bugs and then sorted the bugs based on category | 15:02 |
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| haleyb | ok, we might have stepped on each other as oleg and myself also edited today, i'll look | 15:03 |
| obondarev | yeah | 15:03 |
| Swami | haleyb: yes my changes overlapped yours and then I fixed it. | 15:03 |
| haleyb | I didn't have any particular announcements, just that reviews have continued to merge, which is goodness | 15:03 |
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| haleyb | #topic Bugs | 15:03 |
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| Swami | haleyb: is the gate, zuul happy | 15:03 |
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| fitoduarte | . | 15:04 |
| Swami | Ok we have at least 4 new bugs for this week that was filed. | 15:04 |
| haleyb | Swami: get is getting better | 15:04 |
| haleyb | s/get/gate | 15:04 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1524291 | 15:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1524291 in neutron "check_ports_on_host_and_subnet() duplicates check_ports_exist_on_l3agent()" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev) | 15:04 |
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| obondarev | preparing fix for it | 15:04 |
| Swami | This is a low category and probably a cleanup and I don't think we need more discussion on this. | 15:04 |
| Swami | obondarev: thanks | 15:05 |
| obondarev | just noticed while working on dvr sheduling refactoring | 15:05 |
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| Swami | next one | 15:05 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1524020 | 15:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1524020 in neutron "DVRImpact: dvr_vmarp_table_update and dvr_update_router_add_vm is called for every port update instead of only when host binding or mac-address changes occur" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:05 |
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| Swami | This bug was filed by me, again this is related to reducing the arp calls that are initiated from the server for all updates. | 15:05 |
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| Swami | I have a patch up for review. | 15:05 |
| obondarev | I've left a couple og suggestions for that on in review | 15:06 |
| Swami | please feel free to review it. | 15:06 |
| obondarev | of* | 15:06 |
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| Swami | obondarev: I will take a look at it. Thanks for your ongoing review comments. | 15:06 |
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| Swami | just for the benefit of the audience here is the patch details. | 15:06 |
| obondarev | Swami: thanks for being patient | 15:06 |
| haleyb | i didn't see a review link in the bug | 15:06 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253685/ | 15:06 |
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| Swami | haleyb: sometimes I have seen if you push the patch first and then assign the bug id, it is not getting populated in the launchpad. | 15:07 |
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| Swami | The next one is | 15:07 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1522824 | 15:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1522824 in neutron "DVR multinode job: test_shelve_instance failure due to SSHTimeout" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev) | 15:07 |
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| obondarev | this one is one of the culprits for multinode job failures | 15:08 |
| Swami | There is patch that oleg pushed in for this issue. | 15:08 |
| Swami | obondarev: yes I have seen this failure more | 15:08 |
| obondarev | there is one with 'resize' test as well | 15:08 |
| Swami | obondarev: also the other failure i have noticed is the "volume-boot-pattern". Just to consider after. | 15:08 |
| obondarev | let's see if it's the same root cause | 15:08 |
| Swami | obondarev: thanks | 15:09 |
| haleyb | we need to ping an ML2 core on that review | 15:09 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253569/ | 15:09 |
| obondarev | just added kevinbenton there | 15:09 |
| Swami | obondarev: you have mentioned in your comment, that we don't need any event update from nova and neutron should handle itself. | 15:09 |
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| obondarev | Swami: correct | 15:10 |
| Swami | obondarev: going forward if we need any nova handshake is that possible with neutron or neutron should just work on the basis of the port status. The reason I ask this question is for the live migration. | 15:10 |
| obondarev | Swami: live migration is a bit harder | 15:11 |
| obondarev | Swami: for this bug we don't need anything on nova side | 15:11 |
| Swami | obondarev: ok we can discuss about it later. | 15:11 |
| Swami | That's all for the new bugs this week. | 15:12 |
| Swami | But i wanted to discuss about a new feature patch. | 15:12 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143169/ | 15:12 |
| Swami | This is the DVR SNAT HA patch. | 15:12 |
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| Swami | This has been pending for a while and fitoduarte has addressed all merge conflicts on this patch. | 15:13 |
| Swami | Can we have the cores attention on this patch. | 15:13 |
| Swami | Also a couple of days back amuller mentioned about this patch and other dependent patches for the DVR, L3 HA to be working smoother. | 15:13 |
| regXboi | IIRC, this had +2s on an earlier revision | 15:13 |
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| regXboi | the issue was amuller wanted to review | 15:14 |
| Swami | regXboi: yes | 15:14 |
| haleyb | I will review again, but assuming we need amuller has final say | 15:14 |
| obondarev | I'll review it, it seems to be affecting sheduling refactoring as well | 15:14 |
| Swami | maintaining that patch is too hard right now and we should probably close the loop on it. | 15:14 |
| * carl_baldwin will look again | 15:14 | |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: obondarev: haleyb: thanks | 15:14 |
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| Swami | I have a patch for addressing the allowed address pair with FIP on DVR. | 15:15 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254439/ | 15:16 |
| Swami | This is currently WIP and I would like to get some early feedback on this. | 15:16 |
| Swami | here is the bug details on this. | 15:16 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1445255 | 15:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1445255 in neutron "DVR FloatingIP to unbound port does not work" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:16 |
| Swami | am I still visible. | 15:17 |
| regXboi | yes on the visibility | 15:17 |
| * regXboi reading | 15:17 | |
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| Swami | next one in the list | 15:18 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1521815 | 15:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1521815 in neutron "DVR functional tests failing intermittently" [Low,Confirmed] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:18 |
| Swami | This bug can't be reproduced and it kind of settled itself in the gate. | 15:19 |
| Swami | We are not sure what caused this issue in the gate. So let us keep an eye on this and move forward. regXboi has lowered the serverity on this bug. | 15:19 |
| Swami | I think that's all we have for bugs today. | 15:20 |
| regXboi | I've got nothing to add that isn't in the bug discussion | 15:20 |
| Swami | If you guys have anything else to discuss we can discuss, else we can move one. | 15:20 |
| regXboi | let's move on | 15:21 |
| Swami | ok, that's all I have for bugs. | 15:21 |
| Swami | #topic gate-failures | 15:21 |
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| Swami | How is gate failure looking with respect to dvr | 15:21 |
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| regXboi | so the check pipelines have settled out after the metering hangup | 15:22 |
| Swami | regXboi: yes true | 15:22 |
| obondarev | I'm concerned by a new dvr multinode failure here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250075/ | 15:22 |
| regXboi | single node DVR can probably go back to voting - it is tracking neutron-full pretty well | 15:22 |
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| obondarev | which is probably related to the patch | 15:23 |
| * regXboi looks | 15:23 | |
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| obondarev | need to investigate before merging | 15:23 |
| Swami | obondarev: is it causing failures in gate. | 15:23 |
| regXboi | obondarev: I'm -1 that patch because of that | 15:23 |
| Swami | obondarev: I think we agreed that if it breaks the gate we can revert it. | 15:23 |
| obondarev | We've not merged it yet, so we have time to investigate | 15:24 |
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| Swami | at this point we don't want to introduce more issues in gate. | 15:24 |
| regXboi | I've thrown a -1 on that patch | 15:24 |
| obondarev | Swami: right | 15:24 |
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| regXboi | *because* that dvr-multinode failure isn't one I can just say "oh that's independent" | 15:24 |
| obondarev | regXboi: fair enough | 15:24 |
| Swami | obondarev: if you have more data points please update it. | 15:24 |
| obondarev | regXboi: right | 15:24 |
| obondarev | Swami: I don't have any ATM | 15:25 |
| Swami | obondarev: ok | 15:25 |
| obondarev | will try to find time to investigate | 15:25 |
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| regXboi | so right now I'm thinking we can ask for dvr to be voting again | 15:25 |
| regXboi | and maybe multinode-full | 15:25 |
| Swami | ok I do have a debug patch to address the fip failures in the gate, but I am seeing another issue where the pings are not getting response. | 15:25 |
| regXboi | but multinode-dvr is still too high in its failure rate | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | regXboi: Let's get a patch up to make single node dvr voting. It might take a few more days of stability but at least we'll have it queued up. | 15:25 |
| haleyb | regXboi: so the DVR multinode still seems double the regular multinode - 25% | 15:25 |
| regXboi | haleyb: yes - that's what I mean by "still too high" | 15:26 |
| Swami | If everyone is with an agreement then I can push a voting job patch just for the single node. | 15:26 |
| regXboi | Swami: if you have time today, please spin the patch - I'm stuck in meetings all day :( | 15:26 |
| Swami | In the case of multinode we should first fix the live migration problem otherwise the tests will fail. | 15:26 |
| regXboi | multinode-dvr still needs to be nv | 15:27 |
| Swami | regXboi: I will be in a meeting as well the entire day. | 15:27 |
| haleyb | Swami: +1 on the singlenode, let me know if i can help | 15:27 |
| regXboi | Swami, carl_baldwin: ok, I'll spin a patch here | 15:27 |
| Swami | regXboi: but i will try to push one. | 15:27 |
| regXboi | heh - ok - you spin the singlenode dvr | 15:27 |
| regXboi | I'll spin the multinode-full | 15:27 |
| regXboi | because I'd like to have that queued up as well | 15:28 |
| Swami | regXboi: ok fine, I will spin it up. | 15:28 |
| Swami | ok, let us move on to the next item. | 15:28 |
| obondarev | Swami: which live migration problem are you reffering? | 15:28 |
| Swami | obondarev: the block migration issue that is breaking with ssh. | 15:28 |
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| obondarev | Swami: ok | 15:29 |
| Swami | #topic performance-scalability | 15:29 |
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| Swami | obondarev: anything to add in here. | 15:29 |
| obondarev | I've put an initial WIP patch for dvr sheduling refactoring | 15:29 |
| obondarev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254837/ | 15:29 |
| obondarev | continue working on it | 15:30 |
| Swami | obondarev: thanks | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | ++ | 15:30 |
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| Swami | #topic open-discussion | 15:30 |
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| Swami | anything else we need to discuss here. | 15:30 |
| obondarev | it is sad that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143169 had to deal with all complexity of dvr scheduling | 15:30 |
| obondarev | which should be cleaned up soon | 15:30 |
| Swami | obondarev: yes I agree. | 15:31 |
| Swami | obondarev: that is the reason it took a while. | 15:31 |
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| obondarev | one of the reasons I guess :) | 15:31 |
| Swami | obondarev: agreed | 15:31 |
| Swami | ok, that's all I have today. | 15:31 |
| haleyb | Swami: i found the infra change that disabled the dvr job, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223173/ i can send a change to un-do that | 15:32 |
| Swami | haleyb: sure, that would work. | 15:32 |
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| haleyb | #action haleyb will re-enable dvr job | 15:32 |
| Swami | haleyb: Thanks | 15:33 |
| regXboi | ok, multinode-full voting patch is up for review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212058/ | 15:33 |
| haleyb | you're faster than me | 15:33 |
| regXboi | I admit to having an old patch set to rebase :) | 15:33 |
| Swami | regXboi: you might have had it all prepared. | 15:33 |
| Swami | regXboi: good work. | 15:33 |
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| regXboi | look at the number, and then look at the patch history | 15:34 |
| regXboi | it's been hanging around for months | 15:34 |
| Swami | do we have anything else to discuss here. | 15:34 |
| Swami | if not we can end this meeting. | 15:34 |
| regXboi | no, I'm good | 15:34 |
| Swami | Thanks for your attendance and see you all next week. | 15:34 |
| haleyb | ok, thanks everyone, keep up the great work :) | 15:34 |
| haleyb | #endmeeting | 15:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 9 15:35:02 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2015/neutron_dvr.2015-12-09-15.00.html | 15:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2015/neutron_dvr.2015-12-09-15.00.txt | 15:35 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks, you're all doing awesome work. | 15:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2015/neutron_dvr.2015-12-09-15.00.log.html | 15:35 |
| Swami | bye | 15:35 |
| regXboi | later | 15:35 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello Folks time for ML2 meeting | 16:00 |
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| rkukura | hi | 16:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 16:00 |
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| pc_m | hi | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 9 16:01:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:01 |
| yalie | hi | 16:01 |
| sc68cal | o/ | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Agenda (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:01 | |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_December_9.2C_2015 | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | Welcome to this week's meeting. Anybody would like to add anything to the agenda? | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | I have do not have much other than the fact that I will be gone next three weeks | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura : are you around for next three weeks? | 16:03 |
| rkukura | I’m available to chair thr next two weeks, but gone on 12/30. | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | good - | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | maybe we can cancel the last meeting of the year :-) | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | Should we plan to meet 12/23, or skip that too? | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | I will be gone - perhaps you can ask next week from the participants | 16:04 |
| rkukura | Lets see next week who will be available on 12/23. | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | good idea | 16:05 |
| rkukura | same | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | Any body else has any announcement? | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | Lets dive into the agenda | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Driver API for security groups | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | yamamoto is here - | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | yamamoto : would you want to provide update? | 16:06 |
| yamamoto | hi | 16:06 |
| yamamoto | i was not following it for a while and am catching up | 16:06 |
| yamamoto | so no updates from me | 16:07 |
| rkukura | I think yalie is here | 16:07 |
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| Sukhdev | I saw updates on the patch - | 16:08 |
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| Sukhdev | yalie : are you here? | 16:08 |
| yalie | yamamoto: I will update it based your comments | 16:08 |
| yalie | yamamoto: the proposal need be polished. | 16:08 |
| yalie | Sukhdev: yes | 16:08 |
| rkukura | I have not yet given the current version a careful review, but like that it is addressing enforcement of the SGs in port binding | 16:08 |
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| yalie | Sukhdev: now the patch only focus on enforcement | 16:08 |
| rkukura | I’d like to see the scheme for this work with extension drivers to similarly enforce the semantics of any extension. | 16:09 |
| yalie | rkukura: thanks | 16:09 |
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| yalie | rkukura: yes, that's the direction. | 16:09 |
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| Sukhdev | yalie : is this work planned for Mitaka? | 16:09 |
| rkukura | yalie: What is the consensus regarding adding precommit/postcommit for SG APIs? Not needed? | 16:09 |
| yalie | rkukura: and the security group precommit slip into another patch | 16:10 |
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| yalie | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252755/ | 16:10 |
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| rkukura | yalie: Hadn’t seen that. So are the precommit events within the DB transactions? | 16:11 |
| yalie | Sukhdev: I think yes, but not sure if the time could catch up. | 16:11 |
| yalie | rkukura: the consensus is re-use the callback logic | 16:11 |
| yalie | rkukura: yes, add the new event like BEFORE_CREATE, and put it into the same db transactions. | 16:12 |
| pc_m | yalie: Seems like there are two ways, callbacks or pre/post commit. Is the current implementation using callbacks? | 16:12 |
| yalie | rkukura: it re-use the current call back logic. | 16:12 |
| rkukura | yalie: So raising an exception from PRECOMMIT will rollback the TX and return that exception to the user? | 16:12 |
| yalie | pc_m: yes | 16:13 |
| yalie | rkukura: yes, now it reture to user directly. | 16:13 |
| pc_m | yalie: Is the intent to continue w/callbacks, switch to pre/post commit, or use some combination? | 16:13 |
| rkukura | I’d like to make sure that if an ML2 MD can only partially implement SG semantics, it can reject updates to the SGs that it is responsible for enforcing on bound ports if the new rule cannot be enforced. | 16:13 |
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| yalie | pc_m: we wish to use ML2 precommit mech, and it's a long term disscusion. | 16:14 |
| rkukura | yalie: Does the callback mechanism give you the before and after attribute values so the driver can see what has changed? | 16:15 |
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| yalie | rkukura: I need think more about it | 16:16 |
| yalie | rkukura: yes, it also works. | 16:17 |
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| pc_m | rkukura: with callback mech, you can pass other args to the notify. | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | How can an MD reject the updates by using callbacks? | 16:18 |
| yalie | rkukura: but it could not benifit from later status sync in ML2 mech driver, if there is . | 16:18 |
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| rkukura | yalie: Agreed on the status sync, but that is mostly postcommit, and I’m convinced the current/previous values don’t make sense in sync approaches that always sync to the current state. I think the precommit validating updates is where comparing current to previous would possible be needed, but I’m not sure. | 16:21 |
| pc_m | Sukhdev: the callback can raise exception. I guess it could be caught? | 16:21 |
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| yalie | I am not sure. | 16:21 |
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| Sukhdev | While callback mechanism will provide the way for the MD's to act on the change in SG, how do the rejection gets passed back to the user? | 16:21 |
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| yalie | callback only loop the registered md driver functions. | 16:24 |
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| yalie | it's still in sg db | 16:24 |
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| Sukhdev | i see | 16:25 |
| pc_m | yalie: doesn't it collect all exceptions from notified components and provide the info in a list as result? | 16:25 |
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| pc_m | it == callback | 16:25 |
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| Sukhdev | yalie : once the proposal is firmed up - let me know if I can help. I have an interest in this feature and wanted to wait for the outcome of the discussions | 16:27 |
| pc_m | callback notify catches each callback exception and appends to a list. | 16:27 |
| yalie | and could catch the exception ? | 16:27 |
| yalie | Sukhdev: do you mean get the result from MD operation? | 16:27 |
| yalie | Sukhdev: MD driver would have another journal thead the get the db update from callback, and sent to controller outside. | 16:27 |
| yalie | Sukhdev: but the result is not sync. | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | I can help with the implementation and testing ,etc | 16:27 |
| yalie | pc_m: great point, I htink now callbakc will only return when it get exception. | 16:27 |
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| yalie | Sukhdev: thanks! Sukhdev! | 16:28 |
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| pc_m | yalie: Callback returns None or exception, which can pass back info. | 16:28 |
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| pc_m | yalie: I'm interested as well in this, so can try to help as well. | 16:28 |
| yalie | pc_m: thanks, pc_m! | 16:29 |
| yalie | pc_m: do you mean callback need be updated? | 16:29 |
| yalie | pc_m: to catch up exception list from all the MD methods? | 16:30 |
| pc_m | yalie: Wehn event occurs, notifier calls all subscribers' callback methods. Those method's return result is ignored by notifier, but the notifier will collect all exception info. | 16:30 |
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| yalie | pc_m: ok, I will check it. | 16:31 |
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| pc_m | yalie: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/callbacks/manager.py#L138-L149 | 16:32 |
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| pc_m | yalie: Can discuss offline, if you want. | 16:32 |
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| Sukhdev | In the interest of time - lets move on | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Driver status coalescing/visibility | 16:33 |
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| Sukhdev | i thought I saw yamahata here - | 16:34 |
| yalie | pc_m: yes, of cause, thank you | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | If no body is here, lets skip and move on to the next item | 16:34 |
| yalie | rkukura: I will discuss with you about the enforcement offline | 16:34 |
| rkukura | yalie: great! | 16:34 |
| yalie | rkukura: thanks! | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | yalie : you mean on the ML or IRC channel ? | 16:35 |
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| Sukhdev | yalie : please pull me into the discussion as well | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | shall we move on? | 16:36 |
| yalie | Sukhdev: I mean IRC channel, of cause we need disscuss toghter, and yamamoto :) | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | yalie : I am available after this meeting - we can move to neutron channel | 16:37 |
| rkukura | I ran into John Joyce last week, but unfortunately didn’t think to ask him about any progress on driver status coallescing. | 16:37 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev, yalie: I will not be available after this meeting for a few hours | 16:37 |
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| yalie | Sukhdev: I am ok. | 16:38 |
| Sukhdev | later in the day also works for me | 16:38 |
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| Sukhdev | moving on ... | 16:38 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Trunk port binding for VLAN-awere VMs | 16:39 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243786/ | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | I raised the port binding issue on the spec | 16:39 |
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| Sukhdev | there is a good discussion going on the spec - feel free to jump in and provide feedback | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | there are couple of proposals - if it matters to you, you may want to voice your opinon on the spec | 16:41 |
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| Sukhdev | Anybody has anything else/more on this? | 16:41 |
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| Sukhdev | moving right along - | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: modular l2 agent discussion | 16:43 |
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| Sukhdev | is scheuran here? | 16:44 |
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| sc68cal | I think he's euro t | 16:44 |
| sc68cal | *tz | 16:44 |
| scheuran | Sukhdev, posted a quick update in the community | 16:44 |
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| scheuran | attending another meeting right now... | 16:45 |
| scheuran | community = wiki | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | busy man :-) | 16:45 |
| scheuran | :) | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | yes - I saw the update | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | I like the approach | 16:46 |
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| Sukhdev | I knew you were in the middle of update/rebase etc..so, put the review on hold | 16:46 |
| rkukura | can someone post a link to that wiki? | 16:47 |
| scheuran | sorry, meant the ml2 meeting wiki | 16:47 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: it is on the agenda of this meeting | 16:47 |
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| Sukhdev | Anything else on this? | 16:48 |
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| Sukhdev | scheuran : thanks for the update | 16:48 |
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| Sukhdev | shiv is not here, so, I am going to skip the physical topology topic | 16:49 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: limited-portsec Discussion | 16:49 |
| rkukura | OK, was looking for a link to a different wiki. I’ve been reviewing scheuran’s patches | 16:49 |
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| Sukhdev | yalie: you are up | 16:49 |
| scheuran | rkukura, thanks for review! | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: sorry for coufusion | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | yalie : this is your topic - care to elaborate? | 16:50 |
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| Sukhdev | looks like yalie : stepped away - we will come back to it - | 16:51 |
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| Sukhdev | need to move on to the next topic - we have only 9 min | 16:51 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Open Discussion | 16:52 |
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| Sukhdev | I added an item there to suggest an upstream change | 16:52 |
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| yalie | yes | 16:53 |
| yalie | Sukhdev: limited-portsec | 16:53 |
| yalie | ? | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | to pass network_id to the type drivers so that vendor specific type drivers can utilize it | 16:53 |
| yalie | it's for a unaddressport | 16:53 |
| yalie | after talk with Kevin, we found it's better to implent compatibal with port-sec | 16:53 |
| yalie | yes, | 16:53 |
| yalie | we could move on the next | 16:53 |
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| Sukhdev | yalie : Ok | 16:53 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura : I need your thought/feedback on it | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura : I listed three methods that will be impacted - | 16:54 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: I don’t see any issue with passing the network_id to the type drivers. I’d need to look and see if the TX creating the network has already been committed when these calls are made. | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura : good point | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | How do I check that? | 16:55 |
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| rkukura | It could be useful either way. The TD might want to associate additional data with the network. BTW, don’t we now have segment_ids too?? | 16:55 |
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| Sukhdev | this is when the segment_id is assigned by the type driver | 16:56 |
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| Sukhdev | so, yes | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura : let me push the patch later today - will ping you to look at it | 16:57 |
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| rkukura | ok | 16:57 |
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| * Sukhdev 2 min left | 16:58 | |
| Sukhdev | anybody has anything for the last minute? | 16:58 |
| yalie | could someone take a look a limited-portsec patch? :) | 16:58 |
| Sukhdev | yalie : ? | 16:58 |
| yalie | much appreicated! | 16:59 |
| Sukhdev | yalie : I will | 16:59 |
| yalie | Sukhdev: Thanks, I am not sure I am in a right direction, thanks | 16:59 |
| Sukhdev | yalie : we'll figure it out :-) | 16:59 |
| Sukhdev | others please review as well | 17:00 |
| rkukura | yalie: Does the suggestion to just add to the existing portsec extension make sense? | 17:00 |
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| yalie | yes, before it was, | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | Folks, we are out of time | 17:01 |
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| Sukhdev | Thanks for attending | 17:01 |
| rkukura | yalie: I’ll review that | 17:01 |
| yalie | but make port-sec tri-value break the compatible | 17:01 |
| yamamoto | bye | 17:01 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Thanks for chairing! Enjoy your time off! | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 9 17:01:27 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| yalie | rkukura: thanks! | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-12-09-16.01.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-12-09-16.01.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-12-09-16.01.log.html | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura : thanks | 17:01 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting Designate | 17:01 |
| rkukura | bye | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 9 17:01:44 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:01 |
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| mlavalle | mugsie: can I give my update now so I can gop to another meeting? | 17:02 |
| mugsie | sure | 17:02 |
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| mugsie | #topic Nova / Neutron Integration | 17:02 |
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| mlavalle | mugsie: I finished debugging all the functionality over the weekend. It is now complete and free of bugs | 17:02 |
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| mlavalle | mugsie: this week I am cleaning up the tests in Jenkins that I broke. I am also adding docs and unit tests | 17:03 |
| mugsie | cool | 17:03 |
| mlavalle | mugsie: I expect this to merge soon | 17:03 |
| mlavalle | mugsie: Jankins testa are almost clean as of this morning | 17:04 |
| mlavalle | only a copuple more to fix | 17:04 |
| mlavalle | and that's my report for this week | 17:04 |
| mugsie | great | 17:04 |
| j^2 | o/ | 17:04 |
| mlavalle | :-) | 17:04 |
| mugsie | OK, any questions for mlavalle ? | 17:05 |
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| mugsie | OK, moving on | 17:05 |
| mugsie | #topic Roll Call | 17:05 |
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| mugsie | so whos here? | 17:05 |
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| timsim | o./ | 17:06 |
| j^2 | o/ | 17:06 |
| rsyed | o/ | 17:06 |
| elarson | o/ | 17:06 |
| jet-rongl | o/ | 17:06 |
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| mugsie | OK | 17:06 |
| mugsie | #topic Action Items from last week | 17:06 |
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| mugsie | ACTION: Kiall investiagte 1505605 | 17:07 |
| mugsie | ACTION: Kiall bp e6adbb9 | 17:07 |
| mugsie | Seen as Kiall is on leave, I think we need to push these again | 17:07 |
| mugsie | #action Kiall bp e6adbb9 | 17:07 |
| mugsie | #action Kiall investiagte 1505605 | 17:07 |
| mugsie | #topic Announcements | 17:07 |
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| mugsie | mid cycle is ready | 17:08 |
| mugsie | https://ti.to/designate/mitaka-mid-cycle | 17:08 |
| mugsie | please register there if you are coming, so I can make sure the room is big enough | 17:08 |
| mugsie | topics here please - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate_2016_winter_midcycle_meetup | 17:08 |
| mugsie | it is Feb 8 - 10 in Galway, ireland | 17:09 |
| pglass | is `removing eventlet, use gevent` an option? | 17:09 |
| mugsie | yeah | 17:09 |
| j^2 | mugsie: would you like a chef representive there? if so i may be able to swing it | 17:09 |
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| j^2 | in other words would it help to have me there for yall? | 17:10 |
| mugsie | yeah, it is open to everyone :) | 17:10 |
| mugsie | defineitly - more perspectives are alway better | 17:10 |
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| j^2 | ok, cool, i'll talk to my management chain | 17:10 |
| mugsie | great | 17:11 |
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| mugsie | #topic Bug Triage (timsim - recurring) | 17:11 |
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| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1516355 | 17:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1516355 in Designate ""RecordSet not found" while trying to update NS Pool" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to megha (tmegha247) | 17:11 |
| * elarson just envisioned a big gold chain with a diamond chef logo | 17:11 | |
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| mugsie | huh | 17:12 |
| mugsie | we need to triage | 17:12 |
| j^2 | elarson: ;) | 17:13 |
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| timsim | mugsie: I'll assign it to me to investigate | 17:13 |
| mugsie | timsim: cool | 17:13 |
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| timsim | There's three of these doc bugs: | 17:13 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1522517 | 17:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1522517 in Designate "[Docs] /v2/tsigkeys is undocumented" [Undecided,New] | 17:13 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1522518 | 17:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1522518 in Designate "[Docs] /v2/limits is undocumented" [Undecided,New] | 17:13 |
| mugsie | h1, m2 | 17:14 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1522519 | 17:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1522519 in Designate "[Docs] /v2/reverse is undocumented" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Ian Brown (ianbrown78) | 17:14 |
| mugsie | high, m2 for all of them | 17:14 |
| timsim | actually four https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1522952 | 17:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1522952 in Designate "designate devstack docs out of date" [Undecided,New] | 17:14 |
| timsim | Cool | 17:14 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1523691 | 17:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1523691 in Designate "Unhandled exception in periodic_sync/recovery halts the process" [Undecided,New] | 17:14 |
| mugsie | critical, m2 | 17:14 |
| timsim | agreed | 17:15 |
| timsim | That's all :) | 17:15 |
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| mugsie | #topic Stable Backport Triage (kiall - recurring) | 17:15 |
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| mugsie | http://paste.openstack.org/show/481344/ | 17:15 |
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| mugsie | please look and nominate | 17:15 |
| timsim | ed2ba15 Merge "Check TXT record length limit" ? | 17:16 |
| mugsie | yeah thats it | 17:16 |
| mugsie | i can do it | 17:16 |
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| mugsie | #action mugie bp ed2ba15 Merge "Check TXT record length limit" | 17:17 |
| mugsie | #topic Blueprint for dynamic pool management: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252745/ | 17:17 |
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| mugsie | jet-rongl: do you want to say a few things about this? | 17:18 |
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| jet-rongl | Yes. | 17:18 |
| jet-rongl | I proposed private pool in this blueprint, which could be used for future split DNS. | 17:19 |
| mugsie | ok, this looks good. It is quite a large section of work | 17:21 |
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| elarson | is it dependent on the pool manager bits going into the database? | 17:21 |
| jet-rongl | Yes. So need you review and comments. | 17:21 |
| timsim | It's probably depends on a couple bits right? | 17:21 |
| timsim | What elarson said plus the scheduler? | 17:21 |
| mugsie | high, m2 for all of them | 17:22 |
| mugsie | gah | 17:22 |
| mugsie | yes | 17:22 |
| jet-rongl | I expect to use a single pool manager to manage all pools in this blueprint. | 17:22 |
| mugsie | config -> DB & schedualer | 17:22 |
| mugsie | ok, then that will also be a requirement | 17:22 |
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| mugsie | we currently do not support this | 17:23 |
| jet-rongl | scheduler is also need to delegate zones to pools, but not documented in this blueprint. | 17:23 |
| mugsie | OK. can everyone please review this spec? | 17:24 |
| timsim | sure | 17:24 |
| elarson | yup! | 17:24 |
| mugsie | jet-rongl: looks like you have some invalid syntax as well | 17:24 |
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| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 17:25 |
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| mugsie | any other topics? | 17:25 |
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| mugsie | OK, last chance in 3 | 17:26 |
| mugsie | 2 | 17:27 |
| mugsie | 1 | 17:27 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 17:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 9 17:27:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-12-09-17.01.html | 17:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-12-09-17.01.txt | 17:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-12-09-17.01.log.html | 17:27 |
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| cp16net | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 9 18:00:50 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cp16net. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
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| cp16net | #topic roll call | 18:01 |
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| vkmc | o/ | 18:01 |
| tellesnobrega | o/ | 18:01 |
| bhaskarduvvuri | o/ | 18:02 |
| imandhan | o/ | 18:02 |
| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:02 |
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| cp16net | alright lets get this party started | 18:04 |
| cp16net | #topic pulse update | 18:05 |
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| cp16net | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-pulse-update | 18:05 |
| cp16net | #link http://bit.ly/1VQyg00 | 18:05 |
| cp16net | maybe i shouldnt include the etherpad if we are not using it any more | 18:05 |
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| cp16net | i added another table with 2 more charts because i was interested in seeing the reviewers stats and how many patches were waiting | 18:07 |
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| cp16net | overall i see we got more reviews than last week | 18:08 |
| cp16net | more stuff merged which was great | 18:08 |
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| cp16net | any other comments on the pulse | 18:10 |
| cp16net | alright moving along... | 18:11 |
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| cp16net | #topic past action items | 18:11 |
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| cp16net | I pushed out the final reno patches but it looks like there is an issue with the liberty branch patch | 18:12 |
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| cp16net | i'll need to update that | 18:12 |
| cp16net | i looked over the client changes for kilo and liberty and they look fine for now | 18:13 |
| pmalik | ./ | 18:13 |
| cp16net | tellesnobrega: after getting more info on the removing downgrades i think it was a good idea to move forward with that unless there are other opinions about that | 18:14 |
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| tellesnobrega | cp16net, i dicussed a bit with flavio percoco, he suggested marking with deprecation and removing it in N | 18:15 |
| tellesnobrega | kinda following a deprecation protocol | 18:15 |
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| tellesnobrega | but it is up to us to decide here | 18:15 |
| tellesnobrega | cp16net, what do you think? | 18:15 |
| cp16net | ahh yeah thats probably a good idea | 18:16 |
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| cp16net | making a note that it will be depricated soon | 18:16 |
| tellesnobrega | great, so I can move with that if its ok with everyone | 18:17 |
| cp16net | looks like its a plan! | 18:17 |
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| cp16net | ok so moving on to the next topic | 18:18 |
| cp16net | #topic spec approvals by end of week | 18:18 |
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| cp16net | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/trove-specs,n,z | 18:18 |
| cp16net | there are 3 specs up for review | 18:19 |
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| cp16net | i thought vkmc mentioned another others that needed to be added | 18:19 |
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| vkmc | yes | 18:20 |
| vkmc | I just come from a couple of holidays, will catch up with those soon | 18:20 |
| cp16net | last week i mentioned that it would be great to get the specs approved by Dec 11th | 18:20 |
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| vkmc | I remember yes | 18:21 |
| tellesnobrega | we are working to have it up asap | 18:21 |
| cp16net | vkmc: no worries just want to remind everyone | 18:21 |
| vkmc | +1 | 18:21 |
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| cp16net | if everyone could look them over so we can get them approved and updated by the end of the week that would be great | 18:22 |
| cp16net | i'll follow up with saurabh on the floating ip patch | 18:23 |
| cp16net | make sure he knows | 18:23 |
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| atomic77 | it's great that we're down to only three. just this PXC spec makes me wonder though... | 18:23 |
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| atomic77 | ;) j/k | 18:23 |
| imandhan | lol | 18:23 |
| cp16net | atomic77: you're so funny | 18:23 |
| cp16net | :-P | 18:23 |
| atomic77 | hehe well a true leader stays till the end - it's honorable | 18:24 |
| amrith | ./ | 18:24 |
| cp16net | :) | 18:24 |
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| cp16net | alright moving along then | 18:25 |
| atomic77 | seriously though, i think we're in fairly good shape as long as the remaining specs get pushed up soon | 18:25 |
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| cp16net | atomic77: i agree thanks to everyone for helping with these! | 18:26 |
| amrith | vkmc, what are the new specs about? | 18:26 |
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| vkmc | amrith, mariadb10 gtid replication strategy, galera cluster impl and ceph backups strategy | 18:26 |
| cp16net | vkmc: so galera with community mysql? | 18:27 |
| dougshelley66 | cp16net i assume mariadb | 18:27 |
| cp16net | or mariadb? | 18:27 |
| vkmc | cp16net, mariadb | 18:27 |
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| cp16net | gotcha | 18:28 |
| vkmc | +1 | 18:28 |
| cp16net | sounds great | 18:28 |
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| cp16net | ok thanks let move to the next topic | 18:28 |
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| cp16net | #topic define experimental datastores | 18:29 |
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| cp16net | so i had a discussion with a few members of the team in the trove channel late last week | 18:29 |
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| cp16net | and want to bring this up to the rest of the community and get more input on it | 18:29 |
| cp16net | so we have a ton of datastores | 18:30 |
| cp16net | but only mysql is "stable" | 18:30 |
| cp16net | everything else is in experimental | 18:30 |
| cp16net | the reason they are experimental is that they are not fully ci tested | 18:31 |
| cp16net | with the new testing framework there is progress coming along here that is awesome | 18:31 |
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| cp16net | but there are other factors that play into how we treat experimental datastores | 18:32 |
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| cp16net | i know some of these experimental datastores are used and have been used in environments for quite sometime | 18:33 |
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| amrith | so maybe it is time to upgrade them to 'technical preview'. | 18:34 |
| amrith | https://github.com/openstack/trove-specs/blob/master/specs/kilo/experimental-datastores.rst | 18:34 |
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| cp16net | amrith: i think i must have missed that spec... | 18:35 |
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| amrith | it was in kilo ... maybe you weren't working on trove at that time ;) | 18:35 |
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| cp16net | thats possible | 18:35 |
| amrith | newbie ... | 18:36 |
| cp16net | but scanning over this spec i still see something missing | 18:36 |
| cp16net | do we treat experimental/techincal preview datastores differently than stable ones wrt securty issues that are found | 18:37 |
| cp16net | i've heard 2 sides to this arguement | 18:37 |
| cp16net | side 1 says they are experimental and should be treated as such with risk taken | 18:37 |
| cp16net | side 2 says any code that is shipped should be treated the same | 18:38 |
| cp16net | talking with some others mentioned that input from the trove community would be great | 18:39 |
| amrith | so, our rationale behind the matrix was more to reflect the level of testing. | 18:40 |
| dougshelley66 | i'm not completely clear those 2 sides are mutually exclusive | 18:40 |
| amrith | therefore, I think it would really come down to the impact of the issue at hand. | 18:40 |
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| amrith | if it is something that is egregious and impacts the use by someone, we should at least consider it for fixing in an experimental release. | 18:40 |
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| amrith | and whether we do it or not would likely be on a case-by-case basis. | 18:41 |
| amrith | I wouldn't be opposed to such a fix. | 18:41 |
| amrith | but I'm unclear what the question is that you are asking cp16net | 18:41 |
| vgnbkr | Then what about egregious issues that aren't security issues? Should they be backported as well? | 18:41 |
| amrith | are you asking whether we should be considering fixing security issues in experimental datastores | 18:41 |
| amrith | or is the issue about backporting that vgnbkr just mentioned? | 18:41 |
| atomic77 | i'd agree with amrith: stable -- fixes released, the rest -- case-by-case | 18:41 |
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| atomic77 | vgnbkr, i think the answer there should be: upgrade | 18:42 |
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| cp16net | if a security issue for an experimental datastore should we follow the openstack security patch flow | 18:43 |
| amrith | Let me be more prescriptive; I think we should triage each bug (security or otherwise) identically and irrespective of whether or not the datastore is experimental or not. | 18:43 |
| vgnbkr | atomic77, I believe we're talking about backporting fixes to the previous release - there's nothing to upgrade to. | 18:43 |
| amrith | cp16net, I think so, YES. | 18:43 |
| amrith | categorically and emphatically so. | 18:43 |
| cp16net | and then should they be backported as well | 18:43 |
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| amrith | Yes, absolutely. | 18:44 |
| vgnbkr | But without ci, don't we take the risk of backporting a fix and then breaking code that was otherwise working? | 18:44 |
| amrith | it is not our intention (I believe) to imply support or lack thereof from the community. | 18:44 |
| amrith | merely to reflect our indication of whether something had a full CI or not. | 18:44 |
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| cp16net | i'm in agreement amrith. i think its better to be on the safe side when dealing with issues | 18:44 |
| amrith | vgnbkr, we run that risk even without backporting. | 18:45 |
| amrith | in the current release, fixing something without a full CI could mean we break something. | 18:45 |
| amrith | I would submit to you that we should treat backporting and fixing in two independent conversations. | 18:45 |
| amrith | however, I believe that in either case, I would advocate the same behavior. | 18:45 |
| amrith | the risks are largely identical. | 18:45 |
| cp16net | ok we can move backporting to the next topic then | 18:45 |
| amrith | sorry, largely identical is stupid. Largely similar. | 18:45 |
| vgnbkr | amrith, how? What I'm suggesting is that a user would have implemented a datastore, it worked for them, we tell them to apply a patch, then it breaks. | 18:46 |
| amrith | I would assume vgnbkr that if one implemented a fix, one would implement some unit testing and the community (including potentially the original person who implemented the datastore) would review the change. | 18:46 |
| amrith | the situation is identical even IF we had a full CI, you are describing a test escape. | 18:47 |
| amrith | we don't imply that 'stable' means 'zero test escapes'. | 18:47 |
| amrith | it merely means 'more testing than 0' | 18:47 |
| amrith | actually, 'more testing than ~0' | 18:47 |
| cp16net | yeah i mean we fix an issue and others are found down the road thats normal | 18:48 |
| amrith | cp16net, yes. While we would like to take steps to prevent it, regressions are a fact of life. Like the flu ... | 18:48 |
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| cp16net | but i feel that since the code is there its better to make sure we are diligent with patching any issues for stable releases | 18:49 |
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| cp16net | amrith: yea that is true | 18:50 |
| cp16net | i rhymed :-P | 18:50 |
| cp16net | anyone else have a thought about this? | 18:51 |
| dougshelley66 | cp16net - do you have a specific proposal? | 18:51 |
| amrith | cp16net, vgnbkr, you and I seem to be the only ones talking. So may I suggest that you tell us what the specific proposal is (and then we say yes and move on ;)) | 18:51 |
| amrith | or not ... | 18:51 |
| atomic77 | the rest of us backed off already ;) | 18:52 |
| amrith | I'm guessing you have thought about this and have a promising solution | 18:52 |
| cp16net | So the proposal that i see makes the most sense is | 18:52 |
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| cp16net | the side 2 where we shipped code stable/preview/experimental and we treat them all the same for security related issues that are found | 18:53 |
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| atomic77 | perhaps it makes sense to put this to a vote next week or at some point in the future? | 18:54 |
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| cp16net | i was just thinking about doing that now... | 18:54 |
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| cp16net | trying to figure out the startvote context | 18:54 |
| atomic77 | i thought that at least we could have a bit of time to present arguments for each side | 18:54 |
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| cp16net | #startvote Should we vote now? Yes, No, Maybe | 18:55 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should we vote now? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Maybe. | 18:55 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:55 |
| atomic77 | #vote Maybe | 18:55 |
| vkmc | #vote yes | 18:55 |
| * amrith thinks ... looking for additional input | 18:56 | |
| cp16net | #vote yes | 18:56 |
| amrith | 1 second | 18:56 |
| cp16net | #showvote | 18:56 |
| openstack | Maybe (1): atomic77 | 18:56 |
| openstack | Yes (2): vkmc, cp16net | 18:57 |
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| dougshelley66 | what is "Maybe" | 18:57 |
| cp16net | well its getting close to the end of the meeting | 18:57 |
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| * atomic77 sees a crisis of democracy | 18:57 | |
| dougshelley66 | #vote yes | 18:57 |
| * amrith thinks | 18:58 | |
| amrith | #vote yes | 18:58 |
| cp16net | #endvote | 18:58 |
| amrith | #endvote | 18:58 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should we vote now?" Results are | 18:58 |
| openstack | Maybe (1): atomic77 | 18:58 |
| openstack | Yes (4): amrith, dougshelley66, vkmc, cp16net | 18:58 |
| atomic77 | #vote yes | 18:58 |
| atomic77 | too late i guess :) | 18:59 |
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| cp16net | #startvote should we security issues the same across all datastore? Yes, No, Maybe | 18:59 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: should we security issues the same across all datastore? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Maybe. | 18:59 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:59 |
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| * amrith explains what happened | 19:00 | |
| amrith | the vote we just had was to decide whether we should vote now or not. | 19:00 |
| amrith | by a margin of 5 to 0 we decided to vote now. | 19:00 |
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| amrith | Now we vote on the real question. | 19:00 |
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| dougshelley66 | but i l already used my 1 yes vote | 19:00 |
| amrith | Robert's Rules, Motion to move the question passed 5-0 | 19:00 |
| amrith | now we move the question. | 19:00 |
| amrith | and vote | 19:00 |
| * amrith ends explanation | 19:01 | |
| amrith | #vote yes | 19:01 |
| cp16net | #vote yes | 19:01 |
| amrith | #showvote | 19:01 |
| openstack | Yes (2): amrith, cp16net | 19:01 |
| atomic77 | #vote yes | 19:01 |
| mvandijk | #vote yes | 19:01 |
| pmalik | #vote yes | 19:01 |
| cp16net | closing votes in a min | 19:01 |
| vkmc | #yes | 19:02 |
| cp16net | vkmc: use #vote yes | 19:02 |
| vkmc | ouch | 19:02 |
| vkmc | #vote yes | 19:02 |
| cp16net | closing.... | 19:02 |
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| cp16net | #endvote | 19:02 |
| openstack | Voted on "should we security issues the same across all datastore?" Results are | 19:02 |
| openstack | Yes (6): pmalik, vkmc, amrith, atomic77, cp16net, mvandijk | 19:02 |
| cp16net | ok thanks everyone for your input | 19:03 |
| cp16net | #endmeeting | 19:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 9 19:03:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-12-09-18.00.html | 19:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-12-09-18.00.txt | 19:03 |
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| vkmc | thanks :) | 19:05 |
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| xgerman | #startmeeting Octavia | 19:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 9 19:59:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 19:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 19:59 |
| johnsom | o/ | 19:59 |
| sbalukoff | Howdy, folks! | 19:59 |
| blallau | o/ | 19:59 |
| barclaac | o/ | 19:59 |
| sbalukoff | (Yay for not being sick this week.) | 19:59 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 20:00 |
| xgerman | #topic Coronation | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Coronation (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| xgerman | http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_cf118bc0186899ff | 20:00 |
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| xgerman | #link http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_cf118bc0186899ff | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | Congrats, Michael! | 20:00 |
| xgerman | Congrats!! | 20:00 |
| johnsom | Oh brother, there is a tiara? | 20:00 |
| * xgerman bows to new King of Octavia | 20:00 | |
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| barclaac | El Presedente | 20:01 |
| johnsom | Thanks! | 20:01 |
| xgerman | #chair blogan johnsom | 20:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: blogan johnsom xgerman | 20:01 |
| sbalukoff | I look forward to being a thorn in your side (even moreso) going forward! :D | 20:01 |
| johnsom | Hahaha | 20:01 |
| xgerman | and I will let johnsom take over the meeting… my work is done :-) | 20:01 |
| johnsom | What is it, every rose has it's thorn? | 20:01 |
| blallau | lol | 20:01 |
| johnsom | Ok, so thrown into the deep end. | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | That's very sweet of you! | 20:02 |
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| dougwig | can we call you donald trump now? | 20:02 |
| johnsom | #topic Mid-cycle in San Antonio | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mid-cycle in San Antonio (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:02 | |
| bana_k | Hi | 20:02 |
| johnsom | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-mitaka-midcycle | 20:02 |
| johnsom | dougwig No | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | Hi bana_k | 20:02 |
| eranra | hi | 20:03 |
| johnsom | It looks like we are going to have a good showing for the mid-cycle. Please update with your attendance and topics | 20:03 |
| ajmiller_ | Hi | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | Yay! eranra! Glad to see you here! | 20:03 |
| bana_k | Hi sbalukoff | 20:03 |
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| johnsom | Any discussion/questions about the meet up? | 20:04 |
| sbalukoff | Yep. Any recommendations on hotel? (I'mma be booking my travel stuff early next week.) | 20:04 |
| ptoohill | o/ | 20:04 |
| sbalukoff | (I see the list on the etherpad...) | 20:04 |
| xgerman | there is a hotel section but overall I advise against downtown hotels... | 20:04 |
| sbalukoff | (I'm just asking, are people picking a specific one there?) | 20:04 |
| xgerman | need some more airport choices... | 20:04 |
| johnsom | There are a few on the etherpad. The boardwalk hotels are nice I hear, but it is a drive. | 20:04 |
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| xgerman | boardwalk? riverwalk? | 20:05 |
| johnsom | We stayed at the Hilton garden inn by the airport last time and it was fine. | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | Does it make sense to get a hotel near the Castle? | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | Or is that still a scary neighborhood? | 20:05 |
| xgerman | are their any hotels? | 20:05 |
| xgerman | blogan? rm_work? | 20:05 |
| rm_work | o/ sorry late | 20:05 |
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| sbalukoff | rm_work: You shall be flogged forthwith. | 20:05 |
| johnsom | We were just chatting about hotels near RAX | 20:05 |
| johnsom | Any comments on those listed on the etherpad? | 20:06 |
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| ptoohill | Not a lot of 'great' choices near castle, but it's not a horrible choice if you find something reasonable that you'd prefer. I could look some up and link them | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | ptoohill: That would be really helpful, eh! | 20:06 |
| ptoohill | Save on driving time/potential traffic | 20:06 |
| rm_work | yeah the stuff right near us is more like... motels | 20:06 |
| rm_work | lol | 20:06 |
| xgerman | sbalukoff +1 | 20:06 |
| ptoohill | will do, I'm in two meetings ATM. | 20:06 |
| johnsom | I hope that freeway is still not open, that was a nice little expressway | 20:07 |
| ptoohill | yea :( | 20:07 |
| rm_work | there is a fourpoints right next to the airport that i've stayed in before i think, it was fine | 20:07 |
| eranra | To add active-active (N+1) discussions to list of topics for mid-cycle | 20:07 |
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| ptoohill | I'll add choices to etherpad, cause choices! | 20:07 |
| johnsom | Excellent, active/active would be a great topic | 20:07 |
| sbalukoff | eranra: Feel free to just edit the etherpad to do that, eh. | 20:07 |
| dougwig | eranra: already on the list | 20:08 |
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| johnsom | #topic GSLB/Kosmos mid-cycle | 20:08 |
| sbalukoff | (It's actually there, but put your name next to it if you can come to the mid-cycle.) | 20:08 |
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| johnsom | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda#Agenda | 20:08 |
| dougwig | eranra: oh, n+1. sure, tack it on the same line. | 20:08 |
| bana_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-mitaka-midcycle | 20:08 |
| rm_work | lol the drury inn right by the home depot | 20:08 |
| johnsom | Kosmos is meeting the week after in Seattle. Again, please update the etherpad if you are coming or have topics. | 20:09 |
| johnsom | This will probably be a kick-off/let's get some code going meeting | 20:09 |
| sbalukoff | Geez, now I'm actually tempted... | 20:09 |
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| sbalukoff | (I'm so sorry for y'all.) | 20:09 |
| johnsom | sbalukoff it's a short walk.... | 20:10 |
| sbalukoff | Yep. 6 blocks. | 20:10 |
| johnsom | assuming you are at the office. | 20:10 |
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| sbalukoff | Blue Box hasn't moved (yet). | 20:10 |
| blogan | i'm here now! | 20:10 |
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| johnsom | #topic Progress reports | 20:10 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: You shall be flogged shortly after we get done flogging rm_work. | 20:10 |
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| johnsom | Mine is Active/Standby merged. Happy, happy. | 20:11 |
| dougwig | is the octavia launchpad up-to-date with mitaka bugs/blueprints? | 20:11 |
| sbalukoff | Ok! so! The update to the active-active spec has been written, I'm going to be working with other IBM folks to get my CR for that updated. | 20:11 |
| sbalukoff | Hopefully y'all will like this one better. | 20:11 |
| johnsom | I am working on updating the failover flow to support active/standby. I have working code up, just need to finish testing and unit test updates. | 20:11 |
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| sbalukoff | (I want to make sure Dean on the Haifa team knows how to update that stuff in gerrit.) | 20:11 |
| rm_work | Still working on the last few bits of getting the TLS workflow complete | 20:12 |
| minwang2 | we still need some review for tsl backport patches #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250068/ ,#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250070/, #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250080/ | 20:12 |
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| rm_work | I think we just need the right people to look at them (not our team?) | 20:12 |
| rm_work | since none of us can +2 | 20:12 |
| minwang2 | rm_work you are correct | 20:12 |
| sbalukoff | Also, my work on the shared pools for Octavia (requirement for L7) is humming along nicely. I expect to have a CR tomorrow or Friday, and good test coverage added to the same on Friday or early next week. | 20:12 |
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| johnsom | Yeah, we need to find the list of stable approvers and poke them. | 20:12 |
| minwang2 | but i dont know whom to contact with | 20:12 |
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| rm_work | hmmm | 20:12 |
| rm_work | I thought we already sent out a line to see why they weren't getting reviewed | 20:13 |
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| rm_work | mestery around? | 20:13 |
| xgerman | mestery already +2d | 20:13 |
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| rm_work | or maybe armax knows | 20:13 |
| rm_work | ah yeah k | 20:13 |
| xgerman | yeah, the new PTL needs to poke in the Neutron channel | 20:13 |
| armax | rm_work: fill me in? | 20:14 |
| dougwig | my guess is that the stable team is just super busy. | 20:14 |
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| rm_work | armax: backport patches, not sure who else we need to look at them, have been sitting for a bit | 20:14 |
| rm_work | armax: min's set of three review links above | 20:14 |
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| johnsom | armax we have some stable/liberty patches that need to get +A'd | 20:14 |
| * armax looks | 20:14 | |
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| dougwig | armax: can we consider some lbaas-only members of the stable team, similar to subcores? | 20:15 |
| johnsom | I know some gate issues have slowed this down | 20:15 |
| blogan | alright caught up now | 20:15 |
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| xgerman | dougwig +! | 20:15 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:15 |
| armax | dougwig: you know the my answer to this question, don’t you? | 20:15 |
| dougwig | armax: yes, but i'm not sure waiting until the stadium stuff is sorted out is feasible. | 20:16 |
| johnsom | Great, thanks armax, who should we nominate? grin | 20:16 |
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| johnsom | Oh, not what he was thinking.... | 20:16 |
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| johnsom | #action johnsom to track down and request reviews on stable/liberty TLS patches. | 20:17 |
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| armax | dougwig: I need to refresh the stable team anyway, bear with me | 20:17 |
| armax | dougwig: I don’t have the rights | 20:17 |
| johnsom | Any other progress reports? | 20:18 |
| dougwig | armax: ty. | 20:18 |
| armax | dougwig: no problemo | 20:18 |
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| johnsom | #topics Holiday meeting schedule | 20:19 |
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| rm_work | I'm basically off until January after this friday :P | 20:19 |
| minwang2 | i will be out from Dec13-January 1 | 20:19 |
| rm_work | lol | 20:19 |
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| * rm_work high fives minwang2 | 20:19 | |
| johnsom | Many of us are taking time off, so I was thinking have next weeks meeting and then pick up January 6th? | 20:19 |
| minwang2 | oh yeah~ | 20:19 |
| sbalukoff | I'm gone from the 17th through the end of the year. | 20:19 |
| dougwig | johnsom: +1 | 20:20 |
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| sbalukoff | johnsom: +1 | 20:20 |
| minwang2 | +1 | 20:20 |
| blallau | +1 | 20:20 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:20 |
| crc32 | +0 | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | And expect next week's meeting to be less attended. | 20:20 |
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| rm_work | I was thinking I might just work most of next week even though I'm ETO... so prolly will show up for that :P | 20:20 |
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| sbalukoff | So! If you want to say something important, this is the meeting in which to do so! | 20:20 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I suspect it will be a short one. | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: You are a glutton for punishment. | 20:20 |
| crc32 | rm_work: PTO | 20:20 |
| rm_work | ah right, PTO pool | 20:21 |
| rm_work | literally required to take all of it before dec 31 or I lose it >_> | 20:21 |
| xgerman | well, I am off as well but might attend anyway... | 20:21 |
| johnsom | #agreed Meeting will happen on Dec. 16th, then resume Jan. 6th | 20:21 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: Road trip time? | 20:21 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: flying to Bellingham tonight :P | 20:21 |
| rm_work | in ... a couple hours actually | 20:21 |
| rm_work | SAT->SEA-.BLI | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! Then snowboarding time! the mountains have been getting a lot of snow. | 20:22 |
| rm_work | yeah looking at Baker eagerly | 20:22 |
| minwang2 | nice,enjoy the trip rm_work | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | Have fun! | 20:22 |
| rm_work | prolly this weekend | 20:22 |
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| dougwig | i'd like to say thank you to both johnsom and sbalukoff for being willing to be our cat herder. | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | Thanks dougwig! | 20:23 |
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| johnsom | #topic OpenStack Tokyo Summit presentation feedback | 20:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Tokyo Summit presentation feedback (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:23 | |
| johnsom | Thanks dougwig | 20:23 |
| blogan | whats sno | 20:23 |
| sbalukoff | I would like to thank johnsom for being masochistic enough to want the job. :) | 20:23 |
| blogan | w | 20:23 |
| crc32 | did any USB drives make it back. Just wondering. | 20:23 |
| blogan | indeed! | 20:23 |
| rm_work | crc32: yeah i have like 10 | 20:23 |
| rm_work | you want em? | 20:23 |
| crc32 | yes. | 20:23 |
| dougwig | crc32: i stole one. | 20:23 |
| johnsom | Ok, so while updating our slides on the new OpenStack page (vs. sched) I asked about the feedback. | 20:23 |
| crc32 | how big were they again? | 20:23 |
| sbalukoff | I totally stole one as well. | 20:23 |
| rm_work | I'll bring them to the office in January | 20:24 |
| crc32 | thats cool 20 others are missing | 20:24 |
| johnsom | crc32 I think I have one too. If you want it let me know I will mail it. | 20:24 |
| rm_work | yeah we told people to keep them for the most part, a surprising number gave them back | 20:24 |
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| crc32 | bad sign? | 20:24 |
| rm_work | they were cheap and you expensed them right? | 20:24 |
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| sbalukoff | johnsom: That's dangerious, asking the proletariat what they think... | 20:24 |
| crc32 | no. I don't like dealing with people. | 20:24 |
| dougwig | i think i have a big box of a10 logo'ed ones. only 4gb, though. so if you just need to cover yourself in thumb drives or seomthing... | 20:24 |
| rm_work | lol | 20:24 |
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| johnsom | Our LBaaS talk got one review. Very positive: The SPEAKER(S) were knowledgeable, well organized, and effectively presented the content in an engaging manner. | 20:24 |
| rm_work | crc32: you do it via the webapp :P | 20:24 |
| rm_work | lol woo | 20:25 |
| sbalukoff | Oh, that's great! | 20:25 |
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| blogan | johnsom: the lab? | 20:25 |
| crc32 | rm_work: Then they start asking questions then I panic and saying something dumb. | 20:25 |
| johnsom | I'm suspecting that was from one of our teams... grin | 20:25 |
| johnsom | The lab, well.... | 20:25 |
| sbalukoff | HAHA! | 20:25 |
| johnsom | Two responses: | 20:25 |
| johnsom | The hardware requirements for the lab were borderline unrealisic (16+ GB of physical memory) | 20:26 |
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| johnsom | and | 20:26 |
| rm_work | looool | 20:26 |
| johnsom | worst wa's octavia, image on USB but guide of what to do only on the slides on the screen on multiple slides. most people could not follow as everyone needed another step on another slide total chaotic | 20:26 |
| rm_work | heh yeah really wish we had the slides uploaded beforehand | 20:26 |
| rm_work | now I know | 20:26 |
| rm_work | s/I/we/ | 20:27 |
| johnsom | So, the rating was a bit low for the lab. | 20:27 |
| sbalukoff | Well, lots of room for improvement next time, I guess. :P | 20:27 |
| xgerman | boo | 20:27 |
| johnsom | Only one screen with the slides and no demo screen was hard. | 20:27 |
| crc32 | pfft | 20:27 |
| dougwig | you had lots of people show up and leave with octavia bits in their pockets. that's positive. | 20:27 |
| johnsom | Yeah, it was our first time with the lab. Mostly the second person was telling them they should have fixed hardware | 20:27 |
| crc32 | yea the slides were heard to read. I have 2050 vision. | 20:27 |
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| crc32 | 20/50 | 20:27 |
| sbalukoff | Well... we all know the circumstances there: We pulled the lab together last minute because we were working on getting code done until the last possible minute. :) | 20:28 |
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| xgerman | well, we need print outs next time... | 20:28 |
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| johnsom | Plus we thought we only have 14 people signed up, but many more showed up | 20:28 |
| rm_work | heh yeah | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | Yep. | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | That's... a little annoying. | 20:28 |
| crc32 | next time we should turn people away at the door. :) | 20:28 |
| xgerman | johnsom don’t blame the customer | 20:28 |
| johnsom | Anyway, that is the feedback for us. I wanted to share. | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: Unless the customer is a moron. ;) | 20:29 |
| sbalukoff | Thanks for sharing! | 20:29 |
| * johnsom Looks at xgerman | 20:29 | |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: I'm kidding (mostly) | 20:29 |
| johnsom | That wasn't my point, but anyway. | 20:29 |
| xgerman | well, I take responsibility for the lab. I resigned... | 20:29 |
| johnsom | Hahaha | 20:29 |
| blogan | sepuku? | 20:29 |
| johnsom | I guess we took effective action for our stakeholders... grin | 20:29 |
| sbalukoff | All things considered, I think the lab went OK: After all... the examples there worked! | 20:29 |
| xgerman | blogan don’t push it | 20:29 |
| sbalukoff | That's actually pretty huge. XD | 20:30 |
| johnsom | Yeah, there was one guy that had not used devstack and got Octavia running, so to me that is a win | 20:30 |
| dougwig | johnsom: hahahaha, that's huge. | 20:30 |
| sbalukoff | There was more than one. | 20:30 |
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| johnsom | He was staying for the devstack hands-on after ours.... | 20:30 |
| sbalukoff | Hah! | 20:30 |
| johnsom | #topic Open discussion | 20:31 |
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| xgerman | When are we cutting our M1 release? | 20:31 |
| johnsom | Other topics from folks? | 20:31 |
| sbalukoff | After the mid-cycle, hopefully? | 20:31 |
| johnsom | That is a good question. | 20:31 |
| xgerman | after the midscycle is M2 BTW | 20:31 |
| johnsom | Well, M1 closed last week I think. So after the midcycle is M2 time | 20:32 |
| xgerman | sbalukoff you say we should skip M1? | 20:32 |
| * sbalukoff sighs | 20:32 | |
| sbalukoff | Well, M1 would include what we've done for active-standby, right? | 20:32 |
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| xgerman | I hope so... | 20:32 |
| johnsom | #link http://docs.openstack.org/releases/schedules/mitaka.html | 20:32 |
| sbalukoff | (Which has some fixes in the works... but are we happy with that in there?) | 20:32 |
| johnsom | The missing part is fail over flow IMHO | 20:33 |
| johnsom | Which is WIP | 20:33 |
| sbalukoff | So, we should just plan on cutting M1 anytime then. | 20:33 |
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| xgerman | or skip it | 20:33 |
| sbalukoff | And get failover flow in M2 (and hopefully shared pools and L7. *grin*) | 20:33 |
| sbalukoff | What are the consequences if we skip it? | 20:33 |
| xgerman | dougwig? | 20:33 |
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| xgerman | I doubt there are any. I don’t think we are integrated enough... | 20:34 |
| johnsom | None really, we are independent release cycles. | 20:34 |
| sbalukoff | Ok! Well, if there are no consequences, then let's save ourselves the trouble. | 20:34 |
| rm_work | sometimes these releases seem so close together... | 20:34 |
| * xgerman thinks all the time | 20:35 | |
| johnsom | Yes they do | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | yeah. | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | It's pretty crazy. | 20:35 |
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| johnsom | Ok, so anyone think we need to cut a release now? | 20:35 |
| dougwig | sorry, sec. | 20:35 |
| dougwig | was reviewing. | 20:35 |
| xgerman | vote? | 20:35 |
| rm_work | meh | 20:35 |
| johnsom | dougwig loves votes | 20:36 |
| dougwig | johnsom: we are not independent anymore. | 20:36 |
| dougwig | are we? if so, that needs updating, since we're the ref. | 20:36 |
| johnsom | When did that change???? | 20:36 |
| dougwig | oh wait, nvm. | 20:36 |
| dougwig | ignore me. | 20:36 |
| johnsom | We put it up for Liberty, but they down voted it | 20:36 |
| dougwig | if octavia is really a separate appliance type thing, it can release on its own timeline, as long as it works and is backwards compatible. | 20:37 |
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| sbalukoff | Good enough for me! Let's skip the M1 then. | 20:37 |
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| johnsom | Yeah, it's really about making sure we stay in sync with neutron-lbaas changes enough. | 20:37 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 20:38 |
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| dougwig | at this point, we should need to be in sync. we should be managing those interfaces to not break each other, right? | 20:38 |
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| dougwig | shouldnt' | 20:38 |
| johnsom | Ok, so I'm not hearing push back on skipping M1, so let's do a release later. | 20:38 |
| johnsom | dougwig +1 | 20:38 |
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| sbalukoff | dougwig: +1 | 20:39 |
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| sbalukoff | AFAIK, shared pools + L7 is going to be the next significant change to the Neutron LBaaS <-> Octavia interface. | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | Since Neutron LBaaS isn't aware of any of the active-standby stuff (nor should it be) | 20:40 |
| johnsom | Another topic, I hope to startup a bug section in these meetings. We have a bunch of bugs that I would hope we can start working. | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | So, doing a release after that stuff is ready is a good idea. | 20:40 |
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| sbalukoff | johnsom: That's a very good idea! | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | After all, we're trying to become more stable, right? | 20:40 |
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| sbalukoff | And we have people interested in these project looking to cut their teeth on something. ;) | 20:41 |
| johnsom | Yep. Most of the stuff is minor annoyances, but it would be good to have some visibility | 20:41 |
| sbalukoff | Yeah. | 20:41 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:41 |
| johnsom | Ok, other topics? | 20:41 |
| sbalukoff | bana_k: Did you want to mention your outstanding heat stuff? | 20:42 |
| johnsom | Ah yes, we tagged ajmiller_ to take a look at that | 20:42 |
| bana_k | yea the stuff is looking good, I think we need more review from octavia | 20:42 |
| bana_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:master+topic:bp/lbaasv2-suport,n,z | 20:42 |
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| rm_work | bana_k: I am *mostly* through my review queue now, I think, so poke at me if you need a review from an octavia core | 20:43 |
| xgerman | bana_k I also tapped the HP Heat team to have a look | 20:43 |
| sbalukoff | Schweet! | 20:43 |
| ajmiller_ | aye | 20:43 |
| johnsom | #action Please review the heat work for LBaaSv2 | 20:43 |
| rm_work | though I don't know much about HEAT | 20:43 |
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| bana_k | awesome thanks :) | 20:43 |
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| johnsom | Ok, we will have another meeting next week and then pick up on the 6th. | 20:45 |
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| johnsom | Going one... | 20:45 |
| johnsom | Going twice... | 20:45 |
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| johnsom | #endmeeting | 20:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 9 20:45:33 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-12-09-19.59.html | 20:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-12-09-19.59.txt | 20:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-12-09-19.59.log.html | 20:45 |
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| sbalukoff | Thanks folks! | 20:45 |
| bana_k | bbye | 20:46 |
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