| xgerman | o/ | 00:00 |
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| SridarK | Hi xgerman: and all | 00:00 |
| mickeys | Hi all | 00:00 |
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| yushiro | Hi :) | 00:00 |
| xgerman | SridarK you remember our meeting name? | 00:00 |
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| annp | Hi | 00:00 |
| SridarK | no worries let me start | 00:00 |
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| SridarK | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 00:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 10 00:01:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SridarK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 00:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 00:01 |
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| SridarK | #chair SridarK xgerman | 00:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK xgerman | 00:01 |
| xgerman | #topic midcycle | 00:01 |
| bharathm | o/ | 00:01 |
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| xgerman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-mitaka-midcycle | 00:01 |
| xgerman | they now have hotels. I recommend the ones near the airport | 00:01 |
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| SridarK | xgerman: thanks, i am waiting on travel approval | 00:03 |
| mickeys | I will get approval. Not yet sure when I get to the point to actually book travel. | 00:04 |
| xgerman | well, they have motels near the RAX office :-) | 00:04 |
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| Aish | o/ | 00:04 |
| mickeys | Downtown sounds like more fun than the airport? | 00:05 |
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| xgerman | RAX is near the airport so you are saving the drive in the morning | 00:05 |
| xgerman | which is key since they are two hours ahead | 00:05 |
| mickeys | Fine. I will move downtown for the weekend :-) | 00:06 |
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| xgerman | Valencia is a really nice place ;-) | 00:06 |
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| SridarK | xgerman: also in terms of agenda - we will do fwaas all 4 days or u see some breakup ? | 00:06 |
| SridarK | with an lbaas focus on some days - to help folks like u who overlap both projects ? | 00:07 |
| xgerman | yep, that’s my plan | 00:07 |
| xgerman | but I should be 90% FWaaS | 00:08 |
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| mickeys | If FWaaS is only a subset of the days, I prefer skipping the first part of the week and focusing on the later part of the week. If we meet the whole time, that is OK as well. | 00:08 |
| SridarK | ok wanted to be sure - so if we are not on fwaas all 4 days - can make travel arrangements | 00:08 |
| SridarK | mickeys: +1 | 00:09 |
| mickeys | I will be stuck in Texas until the middle of the following week | 00:09 |
| xgerman | I am fine with either. We can start Wednesday or use the time for more coding | 00:10 |
| SridarK | makes sense - i wanted to optimize my time as well with some internal stuff so will be good to figure this out | 00:10 |
| xgerman | I get less interrupted when I am off site ;-) | 00:10 |
| jwarendt | I can fix that | 00:11 |
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| SridarK | i hope jwarendt: & Aish: can make it as well | 00:11 |
| xgerman | still trying to get more travel money | 00:12 |
| jwarendt | Waiting on travel approvals for some of us; will be there if can be and engaged regardless | 00:12 |
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| SridarK | sounds good | 00:13 |
| Aish | Yup. The same as jwarendt said. | 00:13 |
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| SridarK | xgerman: may be u can think thru if it is Wed or Tue and sync with sc68cal: and then we can decide on travel dates | 00:13 |
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| xgerman | well, let’s just pick one. I will be there the whole week… so whatever works for you... | 00:14 |
| xgerman | we had people come and go in previous mid cycles... | 00:15 |
| xgerman | and some might leave early Friday... | 00:15 |
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| xgerman | anyway, let’s move on | 00:16 |
| xgerman | #topic FWaaS API V2 spec | 00:16 |
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| SridarK | Aish: thanks for the updates | 00:16 |
| xgerman | +1 | 00:16 |
| mickeys | +1 | 00:16 |
| Aish | I am working on a new patch right now. | 00:16 |
| SridarK | i think we are in decent shape and may be a few nits | 00:17 |
| Aish | yup, will be fixing those nits. | 00:17 |
| xgerman | yeah, I will try to push for approval so we can start working | 00:17 |
| xgerman | (dougwig ahem?) | 00:17 |
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| xgerman | mickeys you wanted to look at the Security Group workflow? | 00:18 |
| mickeys | In the data model, firewall policy rule associations, priority needs to be CRU rather than just R | 00:18 |
| Aish | ok.. | 00:18 |
| SridarK | mickeys: on the spillover discussion from last week - we were leaning more towards position for simplicity and look at priority later ? | 00:19 |
| mickeys | I wonder whether we have complete consensus on position versus priority. To me, priority means that the user provides the value, not necessarily sequential, and that there can be conflicts (same priority value) which need to be resolved deterministically. Position means sequential with no conflicts, with insert_before, insert_after stuff. | 00:19 |
| SridarK | mickeys: u answered my question :-) | 00:20 |
| mickeys | Except I did not pick one ... | 00:20 |
| xgerman | well, we can keep priority in the data model anyway | 00:20 |
| xgerman | and we can throw CONFLICT when the priority already exists | 00:20 |
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| mickeys | The attribute was already moved to the firewall policy rule association. Now we have to agree on the term and the semantics. | 00:21 |
| SridarK | things like conflict resolution adds to the complexity - but not doing resolution is certainly an approach | 00:21 |
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| mickeys | Do people agree with my definition above? Any preference? | 00:21 |
| xgerman | priority since then we can have all kinds of integers (even negative) | 00:21 |
| SridarK | +1 on the move to the policy rule association | 00:22 |
| jwarendt | I prefer priority, since position changes with every insert. | 00:22 |
| SridarK | i am still on the wall w.r.t to position and priority - mainly due to complexity in what we need to do in terms of implementation now | 00:22 |
| badveli | currently we can specify the insert_before and after is there a problem | 00:22 |
| mickeys | The API has insert_before, insert_after. Do we see that staying? Or do see that changing? If we change it, where would that go in the API? We don't have an explicit firewall policy rule association in the API. | 00:22 |
| mickeys | The argument for position is minimizing changes to the API | 00:23 |
| xgerman | well, I think position-before/after are independent if we use priority or not | 00:24 |
| xgerman | I also don;t think priority makes it more complex if we don’t allow overlapping ones | 00:25 |
| mickeys | If you insert_before, what if there is no priority value in between the previous rule and the rule you are inserting before? Does the value change for rules other than the one being inserted? | 00:25 |
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| xgerman | you would change the priority… but I also like specifying it explicitly better | 00:26 |
| mickeys | Right now there is just an ordered list of rules in a policy, so it is not explicit in the current API or the current proposal. Do we want to change that? | 00:27 |
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| xgerman | I am thinking of changing it to be more flexible... | 00:28 |
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| xgerman | but channeling my inner sc68cal he would probably like us to minimize changes | 00:29 |
| mickeys | The simplest option is to put it in the rule, but that may affect your ability to reuse rules. If everything else is identical but you need to insert in a different place within another policy, do you have to replicate the rule just to specify a different priority value? | 00:30 |
| SridarK | xgerman: i would align with that | 00:30 |
| mickeys | I do think position minimizes changes | 00:30 |
| jwarendt | Only if a rule is only 1 to 1. | 00:30 |
| jwarendt | Position 2 means different things to different ordered lists | 00:31 |
| jwarendt | But both have issues | 00:31 |
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| mickeys | We took position out of firewall rule for that reason. It was read only. The actual configuration is through the ordered list of rules in the policy. | 00:31 |
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| mickeys | If position is only in the ordered list of rules in the policy, then position can vary for the same rule, when it is bound to different firewall policies | 00:32 |
| SridarK | essentially the attribute which one it is also tied to the policy that the specific (shareable) rule will be associated to | 00:32 |
| SridarK | *whichever one | 00:32 |
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| Aish | mickeys: +1 | 00:33 |
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| mickeys | For priority, it seems like you either need to make the ordered list a list of (rule, priority) tuples (somewhat ugly), or you would need to add an explicit firewall rule / firewall policy association in the API, which adds complexity | 00:34 |
| xgerman | I was thinking tuples | 00:34 |
| xgerman | but I think we will end up with the same result whatever we choose... | 00:35 |
| bharathm | Though Priority seems to add flexibility and future proof,, I am inclined towards Position (with insert_before/after) for its ease of implementation | 00:37 |
| xgerman | I sense we settled on position... | 00:38 |
| xgerman | so let’s do that | 00:38 |
| jwarendt | Security groups don't really need ordering, since just a whitelist, so just make sure that we don't kill distributed functionality by using a global lock with client required knowledge of ordering state or something similarly stupid when not needed. | 00:38 |
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| SridarK | i still think we can move the attribute to the policy - rule association table | 00:39 |
| xgerman | yeah, that for sure | 00:39 |
| mickeys | SridarK: The data model already reflects that | 00:39 |
| SridarK | and the API will be experimental so we can come back to this | 00:40 |
| xgerman | +1 | 00:40 |
| bharathm | +1 on policy-rule association | 00:40 |
| SridarK | mickeys: yes just want re iterate | 00:40 |
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| mickeys | Are we agreed to start with position? Once we get things running, anyone can propose changing it to priority if they think it is important? | 00:41 |
| xgerman | well, it’s hard to make API changes like that | 00:42 |
| xgerman | but yes, let’s run with that | 00:42 |
| SridarK | xgerman: i think we should get a pass for at least the N cycle | 00:42 |
| SridarK | as things settle in | 00:42 |
| xgerman | well, I just had Horizon blow me off because they felt the LBaaS API wa sunstable | 00:43 |
| xgerman | aka in not finalized | 00:43 |
| xgerman | (which is entirely not true BTW) | 00:44 |
| xgerman | so what I am saying is if we think we need it in the next two cycles we should do it now... | 00:45 |
| xgerman | since the earlier we can declare we are done with changes we can get heat and horizon engaged | 00:46 |
| SridarK | i agree with u on that aspect, my concern is really on how much we can get done. IMO, the port binding and getting the SG interactions right could consume significant cycles | 00:48 |
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| xgerman | yeah, usually API’s are fast the problem is in those peaky drivers ;-) | 00:49 |
| SridarK | :-) | 00:49 |
| mickeys | To avoid going in circles, perhaps we should leave the API as is in the next patch set, then German can make a comment with the replacement text to change the API to a (rule, priority) tuple, then we can all comment whether we like it or not? | 00:49 |
| SridarK | sounds like a plan | 00:50 |
| jwarendt | Sounds good to me. | 00:50 |
| xgerman | +1 | 00:50 |
| bharathm | +1 | 00:50 |
| Aish | +1 | 00:50 |
| * xgerman likes going in circles reminds me of a carousel | 00:50 | |
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| SridarK | :-) | 00:50 |
| xgerman | well, next topic | 00:50 |
| xgerman | in the API we need to discuss... | 00:50 |
| xgerman | Aish? | 00:51 |
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| mickeys | Should we move on to service groups? | 00:52 |
| xgerman | yes | 00:52 |
| xgerman | #topic service groups | 00:52 |
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| mickeys | Several issues where we have not yet reached consensus | 00:52 |
| mickeys | 1) Firewall rule specifies a single service group, or a list of service groups? | 00:53 |
| mickeys | I prefer single service group | 00:53 |
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| SridarK | mickeys: yes this was driven earlier as a collection | 00:53 |
| mickeys | And do people think we really need a list of lists? | 00:53 |
| xgerman | no, no list of list | 00:53 |
| SridarK | possible we can live without this | 00:54 |
| mickeys | Service group is already a list of service objects | 00:54 |
| SridarK | i think this came from a requirement of reusing a list | 00:54 |
| SridarK | but i think we can live without it | 00:54 |
| mickeys | Badveli: Your argument for a list of service groups? | 00:54 |
| SridarK | not sure if badveli: is around but we can discuss this with him | 00:55 |
| mickeys | badveli's reply in the comments: A firewall rule can specify multiple service groups, since the usability of the service groups is not tailored for any specific use case. As mentioned the service groups are meant to be reusable across tenants we do not want to tailor one service groups and ask everyone to use it, one service groups need not be overloaded even it is a list of service objects, instead they can choose which service groups | 00:56 |
| mickeys | they want. | 00:56 |
| badveli | yes | 00:56 |
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| mickeys | I still prefer the simplicity of a single service group in a firewall rule | 00:56 |
| mickeys | Others? | 00:56 |
| badveli | but it gets complicated when we say multiple service groups | 00:56 |
| badveli | already currently the service groups can have multiple service objects | 00:57 |
| badveli | and the reverse way | 00:57 |
| SridarK | badveli: so that helps (multiple serv obj) | 00:57 |
| SridarK | so if there isnt a compelling need we can avoid this ? | 00:58 |
| SridarK | time check 2 mins | 00:58 |
| xgerman | yep, no lists | 00:58 |
| badveli | SridarK: currently the ideal scenario is multiple service groups in firewall | 00:58 |
| badveli | multiple service objects in service groups | 00:58 |
| SridarK | badveli: maybe we discuss more on gerrit | 00:58 |
| badveli | but this gets more complicated | 00:58 |
| xgerman | let’s start with 1:1 and expand if we find the use case | 00:58 |
| badveli | ok, thanks | 00:59 |
| badveli | that is the reason we say our intentions but modelling wise | 00:59 |
| badveli | i had restrictions | 00:59 |
| SridarK | we also want to see when we want service groups implemented | 00:59 |
| badveli | xgerman: then the spec should not mention the multiple service objects in service group vice versa | 00:59 |
| xgerman | k, I am on vacation until the end of the year. Most teams do next week and then skip for the re | 01:00 |
| xgerman | st of the year | 01:00 |
| xgerman | well, ML... | 01:00 |
| xgerman | #endmeeting | 01:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 10 01:00:50 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-12-10-00.01.html | 01:00 |
| SridarK | xgerman: i think we can do next week | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-12-10-00.01.txt | 01:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-12-10-00.01.log.html | 01:00 |
| badveli | bye for now | 01:01 |
| annp | Bye | 01:01 |
| SridarK | bye all | 01:01 |
| hoangcx | bye, thanks | 01:01 |
| bharathm | bye | 01:01 |
| xgerman | SridarK +1 | 01:01 |
| jwarendt | Bye | 01:01 |
| xgerman | o/ | 01:01 |
| Aish | bye | 01:01 |
| mickeys | bye | 01:01 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 10 15:00:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| u_glide1 | hello | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hi | 15:00 |
| markstur_ | hi | 15:00 |
| aovchinnikov | hi | 15:00 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
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| zhongjun2 | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
| csaba | hi | 15:01 |
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| cknight1 | Hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| toabctl | hi | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | The midcycle meeting has been scheduled for Jan 13-14 | 15:02 |
| dustins | \o | 15:03 |
| bswartz | that's pretty early, which may be a good thing | 15:03 |
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| ameade | o/ | 15:03 |
| bswartz | I'll be updating the wiki and etherpad with relevant details | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | but the date is set now | 15:03 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #topic QoS_support | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "QoS_support (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:04 | |
| bswartz | zhongjun2: you're up | 15:04 |
| zhongjun2 | Link:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247286/ | 15:04 |
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| zhongjun2 | The most of the driver already report the "'QoS_support': False" to scheduler. | 15:04 |
| zhongjun2 | Does we need to save Qos_support as common capabilities and write 'QoS_support' to capabilities_and_extra_specs.rst? | 15:04 |
| bswartz | zhongjun2: so the first step is for us to agree that we need a qos_support common extra spec, and to agree what it means | 15:05 |
| bswartz | then we add it to the dev doc you mentioned | 15:05 |
| bswartz | we've discussed how qos should work in manila a few times | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | and I want to thank you for taking lead on the topic of qos and continuing to push for progress | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | zhongjun2: do you have a definition for what the qos_support extra spec should mean? | 15:06 |
| bswartz | oh n/m it's in the link | 15:07 |
| zhongjun2 | Driver could define extra specs as what the need. | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | okay so I think we all agreed that we want admins to be able to set qos limits in their share types, but that the limits should be set by vendor-specific extra specs | 15:08 |
| bswartz | so what does this standard QoS_support extra spec give us? | 15:08 |
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| zhongjun2 | Currently, QoS_support is a common capabilities in Manila Code, just not write in doc. | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | is the idea that you'd like to setup a filter in your share type for QoS_support=True? | 15:09 |
| zhongjun2 | I write extra spec in patch 4. | 15:10 |
| bswartz | then if you have multiple backend types, some of which have QoS and some of which don't, you'll only get the QoS-supporting backends? | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | when was the QoS_support extra spec added to the code? does anyone know? | 15:10 |
| bswartz | was that part of the cinder fork? or was it added later? | 15:11 |
| zhongjun2 | Yes, I like to setup a filter in my share type for QoS_support=True | 15:11 |
| kaisers | \o | 15:11 |
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| zhongjun2 | https://github.com/openstack/manila/blob/master/manila/scheduler/host_manager.py#L111 | 15:12 |
| markstur_ | I'd suggest we remove the old QoS_support=False as unused copy/paste code | 15:12 |
| bswartz | okay so we know that different backends may have different levels of QoS support -- some may support throttling, while others may support minimum guarantees | 15:13 |
| bswartz | if we just have a single extra spec that implies "support" it won't tell the admin that much | 15:13 |
| zhongjun2 | long ago, we already have qos_support | 15:13 |
| markstur_ | For zongjun2 either add a capability like huawei_qos = True to do what he wants, or get some agreement on what qos = True will be | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | markstur_: I'm thinking something similar | 15:14 |
| ganso | markstur_: s/he/she | 15:14 |
| zhongjun2 | :) | 15:15 |
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| markstur_ | Thanks, ganso | 15:15 |
| bswartz | I'm thinking if we have huawei_max_iops and huawei_max_bytes_per_sec (or whatever they are) then you setup your share_type with extra specs like: | 15:15 |
| bswartz | driver_name <is> Huawei, huawei_max_iops = 1000 | 15:15 |
| zhongjun2 | QoS_support = True, and huawei_max_iops=300 is enough? | 15:16 |
| bswartz | and in that case you don't need a QoS_support capability | 15:16 |
| bswartz | if you have both netapp and huawei, then it looks like | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | driver_name <in> (Huawei, NetApp), huawei_max_iops = 1000, netapp_max_iops = 1000 | 15:17 |
| bswartz | I think you can get what you want without needing a common extra_spec | 15:17 |
| bswartz | I'm not opposed to a common extra spec if it adds something, but so far I can't see what it adds other than a simple shorthand for the driver_name <in> .... filter | 15:18 |
| zhongjun2 | In Cinder, QoS_support is exist, and different manufacturers have different qos parameters, it is ok | 15:18 |
| bswartz | and my worry is that as different vendors add different ways of doing QoS, the capability might actually cause confusion | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | zhongjun2: the difference in cinder is that they've defined a common way of specifying limits which everyone is supposed to support -- so the meaning of the QoS_support flag is explicit in that case | 15:19 |
| bswartz | we decided that the common definition can actually lead to inconsistent behavior though, in case one vendor's IOP is different from another vendor's IOP | 15:19 |
| ganso | bswartz: I think QoS_support only says if it is enabled or not. Like, if a user has a share in a backend that supports QoS and, and he would like to continue having QoS after a retype or migration, that would be the case... even if other QoS-related extra-specs are different | 15:19 |
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| ganso | bswartz: so instead of huawei specifying huawei_qos = True + other extra_specs, and HDS specifying hds_qos = True + other extra_specs, both can specify QoS_support = True | 15:20 |
| bswartz | btw since Tokyo I've looked into exactly how NetApp does QoS and it's somewhat complicated | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | it seems unlikely that the NetApp method would match exactly with another vendor's method | 15:21 |
| bswartz | the differences might be small enough to ignore, but I worry about the case when they're not | 15:21 |
| zhongjun2 | In Huawei driver, some array support qos, some array not support qos, so we need a qos flag to choose which one it ok, driver_name <in> (Huawei, NetApp) not enough. | 15:22 |
| bswartz | ganso: I get what you're saying, but what happens when some driver support qos ceilings only and other driver support qos ceiling and floors? | 15:22 |
| ganso | bswartz: defining specs like "max_iops" is complicated across vendors, but zhongjun2 is proposing something simpler for now | 15:22 |
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| ganso | bswartz: anything besides "QoS_supports True/False" would be vendor specific, not cross-vendor | 15:23 |
| bswartz | ganso: if qos_support only implies that the driver support some kind of throttling, then how to you filter to drivers that also support qos guarantees? | 15:23 |
| ganso | bswartz: I guess right now you don't, unless they are from the same vendor | 15:23 |
| bswartz | if we do this then we just need to be very clear that qos_support doesn't have any specific meaning -- it's just a common convention that all drivers can use to express whether their specific QoS feature is enabled on that array | 15:23 |
| ganso | bswartz: +1 | 15:24 |
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| cknight1 | bswartz: +1 But I still don't see the value. | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | cknight: you'd prefer that huawei adds a huawei_qos_support flag to distinguish between huawei arrays with qos and huawei arrays without? | 15:25 |
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| cknight1 | bswartz: something like that, I guess. it just seems odd to add a flag that is common for all drivers if there is no related QoS feature in common. | 15:25 |
| bswartz | cknight1: I agree -- the benefit that I see is less namespace pollution | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | and also the fact that the code has been in tree for a long time -- less disruption to leave it in and give it an explicit meaning | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | as long as we clearly document what the flag means and doesn't mean, I think we're okay | 15:27 |
| markstur_ | I guess a common capability would allow you to do the example w/ both huawei and netapp specs (scoped specs) | 15:27 |
| cknight1 | bswartz: no harm there, I suppose. but you'll still need vendor-specific flags to take advantage of any QoS features. | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | it would be great if there was a QoS example for admins that showed how to configure qos on a real array in the real world | 15:27 |
| markstur_ | otherwised we'd need OR for scheduler capabilities (don't have that do we???) | 15:27 |
| zhongjun2 | Ok, I will add some example(huawei and netapp etc) | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | markstur_: that's an excellent point | 15:28 |
| bswartz | okay I'm sold | 15:28 |
| markstur_ | Previously I preferred huawei_qos, but it would get ugly if we all did that, I guess. | 15:28 |
| ganso | markstur_: +1 | 15:28 |
| markstur_ | for a similar capability | 15:28 |
| bswartz | without an OR operator in the filter scheduler, a common extra spec solves a real serious problem | 15:28 |
| markstur_ | "Common and/or Similar Capability-like-things" | 15:29 |
| bswartz | okay so let's move this discussion to the gerrit review | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | I'll propose the wording I'd like to see in the dev docs, and we can iterate there until we're all happy | 15:29 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247286 | 15:30 |
| ganso | bswartz: +1 | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | zhongjun2: does that work for you? | 15:30 |
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| zhongjun2 | Ok, Thanks. so we agree with use qos_support as commom capabilities? | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | zhongjun2: I don't hear any strong opposition | 15:31 |
| bswartz | zhongjun2: thanks again for continuing to pursue this | 15:31 |
| bswartz | #topic Architectural concerns and interoperability of new features | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | cknight: you're up | 15:32 |
| cknight1 | It's a touch premature to go into details until I can write everything down, so this is largely a teaser about an upcoming proposal. | 15:32 |
| cknight1 | Over the last several months, Manila has added or proposed a number of experimental features like migration, CGs, and replication. | 15:32 |
| * bswartz mutters about migrating replicated consistency groups... | 15:32 | |
| cknight1 | Migration is generic, but CGs and replication will be limited to just a few backends, so the user experience is irregular. | 15:32 |
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| cknight1 | Apart from Ben and me muttering, not much thought has been given to how those features will interoperate. | 15:33 |
| cknight1 | And there are more things on the roadmap, such as backup and retype, that must fit cleanly into the feature matrix. | 15:33 |
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| cknight1 | I'm very concerned that we are adding major features without an overarching architectural vision. | 15:33 |
| cknight1 | If that continues, we will end up with a hugely complicated feature support matrix and codebase that makes life miserable for both users and developers. | 15:33 |
| bswartz | +1 | 15:33 |
| dustins | And testers! | 15:33 |
| ameade | +1 | 15:34 |
| cknight1 | dustins: Yes! | 15:34 |
| cknight1 | dustins: never forget the testers | 15:34 |
| cknight1 | I've been developing a set of ideas that could provide an orderly framework for advanced features while making the user experience more uniform. | 15:34 |
| dustins | bswartz's scenario is the stuff of my nightmares | 15:34 |
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| ganso | +1 | 15:34 |
| cknight1 | (Incidentally, the vision I will propose would apply equally well to Cinder, which IMHO is further down the path towards a supportability disaster.) | 15:34 |
| cknight1 | But with new features labeled as experimental, Manila is better positioned to show the way. | 15:34 |
| cknight1 | Kudos to Ben for insisting the new stuff be experimental. | 15:35 |
| bswartz | xyang1 and tbarron both know about the discussions going on in cinder to try to reconcile similar issues | 15:35 |
| cknight1 | Before next week's meeting, I will add everything to a wiki and post a link to the Manila DL. So stay tuned! | 15:35 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: sure | 15:35 |
| cknight1 | And if you have ideas of your own, please share them or add to the wiki. | 15:35 |
| dustins | cknight1: looking forward to it | 15:36 |
| bswartz | cknight1: want to give us the 2 sentence summary of the proposal? | 15:36 |
| ameade | i for one and really excited about mitigating these feature matrix issues | 15:36 |
| cknight1 | bswartz: OK, I'll try. | 15:36 |
| tbarron | that was one sentence right there | 15:36 |
| ganso | lol | 15:36 |
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| cknight1 | bswartz: Look at CGs. It's a highly specific grouping concept with very valuable but limited applicability. | 15:37 |
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| cknight1 | bswartz: Anyone with a non-CG backend can't use it. | 15:37 |
| cknight1 | bswartz: And now, all other advanced features have to be CG aware. That snowballs very fast. | 15:37 |
| cknight1 | bswartz: So instead, here are two ideas: | 15:38 |
| cknight1 | bswartz: #1 Add a generic grouping construct to Manila. Without any guaranteed high-value features. | 15:38 |
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| cknight1 | bswartz: If a driver doesn't do CGs or group-based replication, no problem, the share manager just handles groups in a simple loop. | 15:39 |
| cknight1 | bswartz: So all drivers, even LVM or Generic, get simple grouping functions. | 15:39 |
| cknight1 | bswartz: #2 Add the notion of a Share Group Type, similar to the existing Share Type. | 15:39 |
| cknight1 | bswartz: So a group can have capabilities like consistent snapshots, group_replication, etc. | 15:40 |
| cknight1 | bswartz: If a group has those set, the manager can defer to its driver to handle the advanced feature. | 15:40 |
| toabctl | cknight1: #1 means that everything is a group (and groups with a single member are possible) ? so no difference between CGs and non-CGs ? | 15:40 |
| bswartz | cknight1: that was more than 2 sentences, but I think that at least make the proposal clear | 15:41 |
| cknight1 | bswartz: So *all* functions available on primitives (i.e. shares) are available in groups. | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | cknight1: what if we make all shares be relate dto some CG? but by default as relation 1to1? | 15:41 |
| cknight1 | bswartz: The user experience is much simpler and uniform. | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | toabctl: +1 )) | 15:41 |
| cknight1 | bswartz: And the framework is there for advanced grouping functions like CGs, replication of CGs, retype of things in groups, migration of replicated groups, etc. | 15:42 |
| cknight1 | vponomaryov: That's an implementation detail that I've thought about but not concluded on. Insight welcome! | 15:42 |
| bswartz | toabctl: I think there is a difference between CGs and non-CGs, but the difference comes in the extra specs on the group type | 15:42 |
| cknight1 | bswartz: OK, that's the high-level summary. More coming in a wiki. | 15:43 |
| xyang1 | I am opposing doing this in Cinder because we have explored it before and decided not to do it | 15:43 |
| bswartz | at the manila DB level the groups would look the same | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | xyang1: if you remember the reasons why cinder decided against a similar approach they would be really valuable feedback for cknight | 15:43 |
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| xyang1 | a long story and I think a lot of those are captured in reviews | 15:44 |
| cknight1 | bswartz: +1. Don't want to repeat the mistakes others. | 15:44 |
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| cknight1 | xyang1: Please send links to relevant reviews! | 15:44 |
| xyang1 | I can provide links later | 15:44 |
| bswartz | xyang1: when cknight mentioned the idea to me it sounded like the proposal matched fairly well with that you've been pushing in cinder | 15:44 |
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| xyang1 | we are not doing group type in cinder | 15:45 |
| xyang1 | #1 may be closer to what we are trying in cinder | 15:45 |
| bswartz | so if we're missing a crucial detail then let's find out what it is | 15:45 |
| xyang1 | but we are trying to use the same replication api for volume and group | 15:46 |
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| xyang1 | sure | 15:46 |
| bswartz | xyang1: was is a case of difficulty with forwards/backward compatibility with existing APIs? because we don't have those problems in Manila | 15:46 |
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| tbarron | xyang1: I think cknight1's idea may be related to winston's ? | 15:46 |
| bswartz | we are fortunate that the existing CG implementation in Manila is marked experimental we can can rewrite it if we choose | 15:47 |
| xyang1 | it was because of the complexity it will bring | 15:47 |
| xyang1 | we eventually gave up on it | 15:47 |
| xyang1 | that was in Grizzly | 15:47 |
| xyang1 | I am referring to the type group | 15:48 |
| bswartz | xyang1: I agree that groups with types adds a new level of complexity -- but my fear is that trying to mix features like replications, cgs, and migraiton without a common grouping concept will result in even worse complexity | 15:48 |
| ameade | +1 | 15:48 |
| bswartz | so I'm willing to entertain this proposal | 15:48 |
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| cknight1 | bswartz: +1 My thoughts exactly. | 15:48 |
| xyang1 | that is fine, but I don't think we should do it in cinder | 15:48 |
| xyang1 | our file based storage does not have CG concept, so it is different in manila and cinder that way too | 15:49 |
| bswartz | well that's a discussion for the cinder meeting -- we're not here to talk about cinder, other than as an example of what's been tried before and how it's turned out | 15:50 |
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| xyang1 | you said something about cinder in the beginning | 15:50 |
| bswartz | I think I care less than others about maintaining commonality between cinder and manila | 15:50 |
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| xyang1 | If you want to try in Manila, I don't have problem | 15:51 |
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| cknight1 | xyang1: fair enough, thanks. I look forward to seeing some of the earlier Cinder discussions. | 15:52 |
| bswartz | well I hope we can discuss cknight's idea in more depth next week after there is a doc about it | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | does anyone have something else for this week? | 15:53 |
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| xyang1 | cknight1: one important thing is the difference between a group and pool | 15:53 |
| bswartz | next week the manila meeting should happen as usual, but the following 2 weeks we start to run into holidays so we should discuss if those meetings should be cancelled | 15:53 |
| cknight1 | xyang1: yes, very true. | 15:54 |
| tbarron | xyang1: +1 :-) | 15:54 |
| bswartz | does anyone plan to work dec 24th and dec 31? | 15:54 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: yes | 15:55 |
| bswartz | I hate canceling 2 meetings in a row | 15:55 |
| dustins | I'm not | 15:55 |
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| xyang1 | vponomaryov: no holiday break? | 15:55 |
| bswartz | okay well we can decide next week about meeting cancelations | 15:55 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1: jan 1th and 7th | 15:55 |
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| cknight1 | bswartz: I have no issues canceling the meeting those weeks. The DL & IRC are still available, but lots of folks would probably appreciate the break. | 15:56 |
| bswartz | check the meeting wiki to see when the next meeting is | 15:56 |
| bswartz | we may hold brief meetings if anything comes up -- in any case I don't expect everyone to be there | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | next week we're still on though | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | okay I guess we're done for today | 15:57 |
| bswartz | thanks everyone | 15:57 |
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| dustins | thanks! | 15:57 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 10 15:57:34 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-12-10-15.00.html | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-12-10-15.00.txt | 15:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-12-10-15.00.log.html | 15:57 |
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| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:00 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:00 |
| xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:00 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:00 |
| xarses | Who's here? | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 10 16:00:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:00 |
| maximov | hi | 16:00 |
| mwhahaha | hi | 16:00 |
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| dbilunov | hi | 16:00 |
| fzhadaev | Hi! | 16:00 |
| asvechnikov_ | hi | 16:00 |
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| dpyzhov | hi | 16:00 |
| SheenaG | Hi guys | 16:00 |
| alex_didenko | hi | 16:00 |
| tatyana_ | hi | 16:00 |
| akislitsky_ | hi | 16:00 |
| yottatsa | hi | 16:01 |
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| holser_ | o/ | 16:01 |
| romcheg | \0/ | 16:01 |
| vkramskikh | hi | 16:01 |
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| xarses | ok, lets get started with action items from last meeting | 16:01 |
| igorbelikov | o/ | 16:01 |
| xarses | #topic last meeting actions | 16:01 |
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| xarses | holser to follow up creating bp for plugging ubuntu bootstrap | 16:01 |
| sbog | hi | 16:02 |
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| xarses | holser_: ? | 16:02 |
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| ikalnitsky | \o | 16:03 |
| holser_ | we created plan but I’ve not not created blueprint | 16:03 |
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| xarses | ok, lets get a stub together then on launchpad so we don't loose it | 16:03 |
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| holser_ | sure thing | 16:03 |
| xarses | holser to follow up creating bug for injecting drivers into boostrap for 8.0 | 16:04 |
| holser_ | it’s the same | 16:04 |
| xarses | IIRC this was about creating a docs bugs | 16:04 |
| xarses | ok | 16:04 |
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| xarses | dklenov will follow up with with details on enabling ubuntu bootstrap on FFE thready | 16:05 |
| fzhadaev | It was done | 16:05 |
| xarses | thanks | 16:05 |
| xarses | mattymo will create ML to discuss issues with oslo.logging not sending some tracebacks on syslog | 16:05 |
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| dims_ | mattymo : xarses : https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.log/+bug/1514828 | 16:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1514828 in oslo.log "tracebacks are not logged to syslog" [Low,Triaged] | 16:06 |
| xarses | dims_: thanks, did we get anywhere with that? | 16:06 |
| mmosesohn_ | xarses, I didn't get to it. It was a bug directly in cinder code | 16:07 |
| dims_ | xarses : no one has looked in yet | 16:07 |
| mmosesohn_ | I'm still fixing the actual issue which is far more critical | 16:07 |
| bgaifullin | hi all. | 16:07 |
| xarses | dims_: what can we do to help this one get attention? | 16:07 |
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| mmosesohn_ | dims_, is more aware of why trace logs don't get sent out | 16:08 |
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| dims_ | xarses : need someone familiar with syslog that i can work with | 16:09 |
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| mmosesohn_ | dims_, me | 16:09 |
| warpc | hi! | 16:09 |
| dims_ | mmosesohn_ : yay! | 16:09 |
| xarses | ok, I | 16:09 |
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| xarses | ok, I'll add an action for you to | 16:10 |
| xarses | *too | 16:10 |
| xarses | nope, two | 16:10 |
| xarses | on to the main show | 16:10 |
| xarses | #topic Moving Fuel services out of Docker containers (kozhukalov) | 16:10 |
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| xarses | #action dims and mattymo will follow up on https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.log/+bug/1514828 | 16:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1514828 in oslo.log "tracebacks are not logged to syslog" [Low,Triaged] | 16:11 |
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| xarses | ok, moving on | 16:12 |
| xarses | #topic Adding Fuel CI jobs to puppet-openstack workflow | 16:12 |
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| xarses | the puppet-openstack guys have asked for some follow up on this. Who was leading this? | 16:12 |
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| degorenko | hey | 16:12 |
| degorenko | as i know from alexandra fedorova | 16:12 |
| bookwar | xarses: we have a pending hw request for this task | 16:13 |
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| degorenko | we are awaiting for hardware | 16:13 |
| mwhahaha | we need to fix our code before the hardware | 16:13 |
| bookwar | but i think we should start on the implementation part | 16:13 |
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| mwhahaha | cause it'll fail right now even without hardware | 16:13 |
| xarses | ok I was going to ask that | 16:13 |
| mwhahaha | we also need to figure out how to inject the upstream versions into our fuel-library build process | 16:13 |
| mwhahaha | since we currently do not track upstream master | 16:14 |
| bookwar | at the moment we don't have proper blueprint for this activity, but you can assign the action item on me to create one for next week | 16:14 |
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| xarses | I'd like to identify who will be responsible for the status, and I'd like to see some regular updates (ML is fine) so that the two teams know what's going on | 16:14 |
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| bookwar | i'll work with Dmitry B and others to track this properly | 16:15 |
| xarses | ok, thanks | 16:16 |
| xarses | #topic FFEs and their status (mihgen) | 16:16 |
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| mihgen | hi folks, I'd like to go one by one and check where we are | 16:16 |
| mihgen | 1. CentOS 7. ETA: Monday 7th. Blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/master-on-centos7 | 16:16 |
| mihgen | all done, right? | 16:16 |
| xarses | #action bookwar will create blueprint for Fuel CI on puppet-openstack projects | 16:16 |
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| mihgen | holser_: ikalnitsky: kozhukalov: bookwar ^^^ can we consider centos7 fully merged? | 16:17 |
| xarses | mihgen: sounded that way, but I'd too like to hear its complete | 16:17 |
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| mihgen | including all CI pieces? | 16:17 |
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| ikalnitsky | from my pov - it's merged. we have files tech-debts, and they aren't resolved yet (afaik) | 16:18 |
| ikalnitsky | s/files/filed/g | 16:18 |
| bookwar | mihgen: yes | 16:18 |
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| mihgen | good. | 16:19 |
| mihgen | 2. Disable queue mirroring for RPC queues in RabbitMQ. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/rabbitmq-disable-mirroring-for-rpc | 16:19 |
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| mihgen | didn't give second FFE so it goes to 9.0 | 16:20 |
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| mihgen | ikalnitsky: holser_ Correct? | 16:20 |
| ikalnitsky | correct | 16:20 |
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| mihgen | holser_: ? | 16:21 |
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| mihgen | confirm from library side | 16:21 |
| xarses | mihgen: the library commit isn't merged | 16:22 |
| nurla | xarses: what commit isn't merged? O_0 | 16:22 |
| holser_ | correct | 16:22 |
| xarses | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249180/ | 16:22 |
| holser_ | technically, centos7 is merged, though we still catch bugs | 16:23 |
| mihgen | ok, so we are waiting for 9.0. No FFE. Moving on | 16:23 |
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| mihgen | 3. Task based deployment with Astute. ETA: Friday, 11th. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/task-based-deployment-astute | 16:23 |
| ashtokolov | Task-based-deployment: Astute and Nailgun parts: code is ready and on review. 2 commits to nailgun are already merged. For 1 commit tests are in progress. | 16:23 |
| mihgen | in progress? | 16:23 |
| ashtokolov | Library part (aka cross-node dependencies are in progress) we are testing on real deployment cases. | 16:23 |
| ashtokolov | Here is a list: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/branch:master+topic:bp/task-based-deployment-astute+NOT+status:abandoned+NOT+project:openstack/fuel-specs,n,z | 16:23 |
| ashtokolov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/branch:master+topic:bp/task-based-deployment-astute+NOT+status:abandoned+NOT+project:openstack/fuel-specs,n,z | 16:24 |
| aglarendil | we are very close to finishing even library part | 16:24 |
| ashtokolov | Today evening we are going to have final merge plan for library | 16:24 |
| aglarendil | we have almost gotten to post-deployment stage. there was a bug in OCF script | 16:24 |
| aglarendil | the fix is on review as well | 16:24 |
| mihgen | sounds like running at full speed..are we converging to make it happen by the end of the week? | 16:24 |
| ikalnitsky | from fuel-web pov, there're two patches. one of them is almost done. i think we can merge it today. the second one - i didn't review yet. | 16:25 |
| ikalnitsky | i think we can manage to complete fuel-web part in time | 16:26 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: ashtokolov are you guys targeting end of the week? | 16:26 |
| ashtokolov | Yes we expect custom iso today evening | 16:26 |
| ashtokolov | and finish till the end of this week | 16:26 |
| mihgen | ok, great | 16:26 |
| mihgen | 4. Component Registry. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/component-registry | 16:27 |
| xarses | what is the impact of not merging any more of it? | 16:27 |
| SheenaG | xarses: is your question about component registry? | 16:27 |
| SheenaG | xarses: or task-based deployment? | 16:27 |
| mihgen | Xarses: if you are about task-based, then you don't get task-based in 8.0 if you don't merge all those :) | 16:27 |
| xarses | task based | 16:28 |
| SheenaG | mihgen: I believe component registry merged yesterday | 16:28 |
| aglarendil | xarses: it is completely backward-compatible | 16:28 |
| mihgen | component registry - can we consider it's all done and qa can test it? | 16:28 |
| ikalnitsky | xarses: it won't be default option, so.. | 16:28 |
| ikalnitsky | mihgen: yes, we can. | 16:28 |
| mihgen | excellent. | 16:29 |
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| mihgen | 5. Add vmware cluster after deployment. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/add-vmware-clusters | 16:29 |
| SheenaG | mihgen: also merged | 16:29 |
| mihgen | is assignee here of this bp.. ? If it's finished, we need to set Iplemented | 16:30 |
| SheenaG | mihgen: I don't see Adrian here, but I can track this down with him | 16:30 |
| mihgen | thanks | 16:30 |
| mihgen | 6. Support murano service broker https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/implement-support-for-murano-service-broker | 16:30 |
| mihgen | is this one done too? | 16:30 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | patches are merged | 16:31 |
| mihgen | excellent | 16:31 |
| mihgen | and the last one | 16:31 |
| mihgen | 7. Ubuntu bootstrap | 16:31 |
| mihgen | I saw email in openstack-dev, all done, right? | 16:31 |
| fzhadaev | All commits are merged. Feature is done. | 16:31 |
| mihgen | wonderful! thanks all, I'll provide summary in openstack-dev. | 16:32 |
| mihgen | please update status of bps | 16:32 |
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| mihgen | I didn't throw away those 8.0 which are not in implemented status, but I still plan to do it | 16:33 |
| mihgen | Xarses: moving on? | 16:33 |
| xarses | #topic UI Team status (vkramskikh) | 16:33 |
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| vkramskikh | Hi, we're working on bugfixing and are doing it quite well. This week we've reduced the number of area-ui bugs from 63 to 36: http://i.imgur.com/9DhsD5x.png | 16:33 |
| vkramskikh | We're on track of fixing all High bugs before SCF - there are 3 High bugs left. | 16:33 |
| vkramskikh | UI for Component Registry blueprint (FFE) was merged yesterday, some extra fixes are expected. | 16:33 |
| vkramskikh | Questions? | 16:33 |
| xarses | awesome, images today | 16:33 |
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| mihgen | vkramskikh: great, any plans for what you could start working in terms of features? | 16:34 |
| mihgen | we open master on SCF | 16:34 |
| vkramskikh | probably we'll start first on separating vendor-specific code from core Fuel | 16:35 |
| vkramskikh | but we also have some plans to solve tech debt | 16:35 |
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| dpyzhov | mihgen: is it a final decision to open master on SCF? | 16:35 |
| mihgen | that sounds good. | 16:35 |
| mihgen | dpyzhov: yes, I believe it was communicated by PTL quite a while ago | 16:35 |
| mihgen | no one was opposed | 16:36 |
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| mihgen | is there any problem with it? | 16:36 |
| dpyzhov | great | 16:36 |
| dpyzhov | No, I'm happy ) | 16:36 |
| vkramskikh | totally support branching on SCF | 16:36 |
| vkramskikh | ++ | 16:36 |
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| mihgen | great then :) | 16:36 |
| xarses | #topic Telco Team Status (fzhadaev) | 16:36 |
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| fzhadaev | Here is the current Fuel Telco team status: | 16:36 |
| fzhadaev | 1) We're finnished work on ubuntu-bootstrap feature. Now it's enabled by default. | 16:36 |
| fzhadaev | 2) The main activity for now is bug fixing. | 16:36 |
| xarses | great to hear | 16:37 |
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| mihgen | I'm aware that you guys have identified things to be further improved in this feature | 16:38 |
| mihgen | any public bp opened so far.. ? | 16:38 |
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| fzhadaev | Not yet. There are listed in internal ticket | 16:38 |
| fzhadaev | BP will be created | 16:39 |
| mihgen | please create public one. We want to track it, and ideally to start work on it while we still have fresh memory on the code ) | 16:39 |
| fzhadaev | sure | 16:39 |
| xarses | #topic Bugs team status (dpyzhov) https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-bugs-status | 16:39 |
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| dpyzhov | I’ve updated statistics. It is not so оptimistic as usual. We have bunch of reports for new features. | 16:40 |
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| dpyzhov | I’ve checked with team leads and we are targeting to fix current high priority issues by SCF. However we’ll appreciate hints for bugs from SME. | 16:40 |
| dpyzhov | I have a question. Do we have a preliminary date for QA acceptance results? | 16:40 |
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| xarses | dpyzhov: I though we agreed that SME's are supposed to help with bugs from their features | 16:41 |
| dpyzhov | Right now we see really low number for late-discovery bugs income. We are fighting with several tricky bugs. It is almost the same bugs that we had last week | 16:41 |
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| dpyzhov | xarses: feature developers fixing their own bugs | 16:41 |
| mihgen | I see 26 bugs income over the last week | 16:41 |
| mihgen | high priority ones | 16:41 |
| dpyzhov | I'm talking about tricky bugs in existing functionality | 16:42 |
| mihgen | am I correct? | 16:42 |
| dpyzhov | mihgen: yes, this is a raw income | 16:42 |
| xarses | dpyzhov: ok good. Then are we having problems getting SME's to help? | 16:42 |
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| mihgen | oh it's just python. And it's not in the category of delivery teams | 16:43 |
| mihgen | does it mean that we've got 26 bugs against old functionality which we released in 7.0... ? | 16:43 |
| dpyzhov | It is a total income of python bugs with high priority | 16:43 |
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| dpyzhov | for all teams | 16:43 |
| mihgen | how many bugs do we see coming for new functionality vs old 7.0 | 16:44 |
| dpyzhov | Launchpad is bad at statistics, really | 16:44 |
| dpyzhov | I've walked through high bugs | 16:44 |
| dpyzhov | And I've found only 1 real bug that is late discovery | 16:45 |
| dpyzhov | Most of new bugs are about new functionality | 16:45 |
| dpyzhov | It sounds optimistic | 16:45 |
| dpyzhov | But we had a broken master this week | 16:45 |
| dpyzhov | so there was no real chance for QA to find old bugs | 16:45 |
| mihgen | is it all fixed now.. ? | 16:45 |
| dpyzhov | ? | 16:46 |
| dpyzhov | Master is fixed | 16:46 |
| dpyzhov | Bugs are partially fixed | 16:46 |
| mihgen | ok. thanks. I'd expect that delivery teams will be helping out initially quite actively | 16:46 |
| dpyzhov | you can see 8 bugs on network team | 16:46 |
| dpyzhov | other teams have about 1-2 bugs | 16:47 |
| dpyzhov | Right now I assume that they will deal with bugs on their features | 16:47 |
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| nurla | @dpyzhov please keep in mind, that we fixed tests after centos merge | 16:47 |
| dpyzhov | Do we have preliminary date for QA acceptance? | 16:47 |
| nurla | i think you will get issues :) | 16:48 |
| mihgen | numbers don't match | 16:48 |
| mihgen | if it's 1-2 bugs on a team | 16:48 |
| mihgen | and total backlog is 60 | 16:48 |
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| dpyzhov | bugs on teams are only about python | 16:48 |
| dpyzhov | still doesn't match | 16:49 |
| dpyzhov | Oh, I got it | 16:49 |
| dpyzhov | Missed bugs are duplicates | 16:49 |
| dpyzhov | I'm trying to count them now and looks like I count them not in every place | 16:50 |
| mihgen | dpyzhov: pls figure it out then, we just need to ensure that we are converging by HCF ;) | 16:50 |
| mihgen | moving to the next topic?.. | 16:50 |
| dpyzhov | I'll update the report in 15 minutes | 16:50 |
| xarses | #topic Network team status (alex_didenko) | 16:50 |
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| alex_didenko | Right now we're working on bugfixing and bugs related to multi-rack support and on the following BPs: | 16:51 |
| alex_didenko | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/external-lbs | 16:51 |
| alex_didenko | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/allow-any-vip (the most of work is done by enhancements team, so I believe they can give more details on this if needed) | 16:51 |
| alex_didenko | Also we're going to start working on the following BPs shortly: | 16:51 |
| alex_didenko | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/selective-default-gateway-net | 16:51 |
| alex_didenko | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/dhcp-vips | 16:51 |
| alex_didenko | As for external-lbs - we have some blockers for this functionality, they are reported as bugs and attached to external-lbs BP. | 16:51 |
| alex_didenko | With fixes applied on my local virtual lab I was able to deploy cluster with controllers in different racks using external load balancer. | 16:51 |
| alex_didenko | Note: in such case floating IPs do not work (known limitation of multirack based on static routes). | 16:51 |
| alex_didenko | Everything else except floating IPs seems to work fine: VMs are running, no issues with internal network/connectivity, volumes, images (swift), etc. | 16:51 |
| alex_didenko | I'm going to prepare some documentation on how to set up cluster with controllers in different racks using external LB when we address all blockers. | 16:51 |
| alex_didenko | Sorry for wall of text :) | 16:51 |
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| mihgen | great wall of text) | 16:52 |
| xarses | alex_didenko: it's great, well prepared = | 16:52 |
| xarses | =) | 16:52 |
| mihgen | I have a question about advanced networking | 16:52 |
| mihgen | we have templates now, any work being done in a direction to make it fully available in the UI | 16:53 |
| mihgen | and flexible? | 16:53 |
| mihgen | API level first, of course | 16:53 |
| alex_didenko | we've discussed it during tech-talk | 16:53 |
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| alex_didenko | and it's quite problematic - network templates are much more complex and flexible than default net config | 16:54 |
| akasatkin | it is in a story, no BPs yet | 16:54 |
| alex_didenko | it could be extremely tricky to try to visualize it on UI | 16:54 |
| mihgen | well may be it is OK to have some of that configurable in YAML | 16:54 |
| mihgen | but majority of things should be exposed to the UI I believe | 16:55 |
| alex_didenko | I'm afraid that we could end up with a single input text field for template yaml :) | 16:55 |
| akasatkin | it will look like a graphics editor.. | 16:55 |
| mihgen | well then may be we can just ask for what template user wants to choose | 16:55 |
| mihgen | and then show only limited things on the UI | 16:56 |
| SheenaG | mihgen: I've talked to DP about this some, but will continue that conversation | 16:56 |
| SheenaG | mihgen: we agree that some subset of the functionality should probably be exposed, but providing a yaml editor is the wrong way to do it | 16:56 |
| xarses | 4 min | 16:56 |
| SheenaG | mihgen: the conversations haven't gone much past that yet | 16:56 |
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| mihgen | akasatkin: SheenaG yes please, we need to continue this effort. Current implementation with templates is still over complex for users | 16:56 |
| mihgen | and once you went there, you can't do anything through UI anymore as far as I understand | 16:57 |
| SheenaG | mihgen: that's right | 16:57 |
| akasatkin | not anything, just interfaces to networks mapping is disabled | 16:57 |
| akasatkin | but it is not good, also | 16:58 |
| mihgen | well it's huge deal... | 16:58 |
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| SheenaG | mihgen: I'll reach out to DP again to see if we can make some progress on what to expose and how. Right now he is working on descriptions for Networking settings in Fuel, so he's definitely heads down on the Networking usability issues. | 16:59 |
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| xarses | #action SheenaG to follow up with DP regarding network templates in ui | 16:59 |
| xarses | thats the time we have folks | 16:59 |
| xarses | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 10 17:00:06 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-12-10-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-12-10-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-12-10-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 10 17:00:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | Hey everybody! | 17:00 |
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| elmiko | hi | 17:00 |
| ccneill | howdy o/ | 17:00 |
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| greg_a | hello! | 17:01 |
| michaelxin_ | hi | 17:01 |
| mdong | o/ | 17:01 |
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| nkinder | o/ | 17:01 |
| gmurphy | o/ | 17:01 |
| sicarie | o/ | 17:01 |
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| SheenaG | Oh man, I didn't realize you guys had a meeting right after Fuel - lots of familiar names! Hi michaelxin_! Hi ccneill! | 17:01 |
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| ccneill | hi there SheenaG! | 17:01 |
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| ccneill | long time no see | 17:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 17:01 |
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| SheenaG | ccneill: no kidding. Time for me to duck out, you guys have a good meeting! | 17:02 |
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| michaelxin_ | SheenaG: How are you? | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | heh | 17:02 |
| SheenaG | michaelxin_ I'm good! I miss you guys! Looking forward to seeing everyone up at the Austin summit | 17:02 |
| michaelxin_ | SheenaG: sure | 17:02 |
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| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | time ran away with me ;) | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | pffft! | 17:03 |
| elmiko | hehe | 17:03 |
| tkelsey | o/ all | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | debugging my crappy gate failure | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | Right so I don’t have a locked in agenda for today (my bad) | 17:03 |
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| tristanC | greeting! | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | pffft | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | Did anyone pick up any of hte OSSNs this week? | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | Hey tristanC | 17:03 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: lol | 17:03 |
| michaelxin_ | hyakuhei: not me | 17:04 |
| michaelxin_ | how many do we have? | 17:04 |
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| ccneill | I'm just back from vacation | 17:04 |
| elmiko | neither did i :/ | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | I was supposed to check out the OSSA's but I got stuck on something and forgot :( | 17:04 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: no new ones picked up. Still finishing the embargoed one | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | 3-4 I think, I’ve got one in review | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254427/ | 17:04 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: ah, I'll take a look at your draft | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | Cheers | 17:05 |
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| michaelxin_ | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:05 |
| michaelxin_ | will check it later. | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | Thanks | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | It was an easy one because the initial writeup was good | 17:06 |
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| nkinder | That always helps :) | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | ok, here’s a copy-pasted agenda whoop! | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: looks legit | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-20151210-agenda | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Publicity | 17:07 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-raising-profile | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | Anyone managed to pick up any sessions? | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | By that I mean - drop in and say hello... | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | I think we decided to be ready with the Bandit baseline job first? | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | I'm working on that as we speak | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | Ah yeah that’s right | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | or was prior to the meeting | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | In the meantime the boilerplate needs working on | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:08 |
| michaelxin_ | I picked up two | 17:08 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: had not seen this pad, but i'll look into taking a session | 17:09 |
| michaelxin_ | and I will go to one of them today. | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin: hold off until we have the Bandit stuff ready so we can demo it during the meeting? | 17:09 |
| michaelxin_ | I missed one early this morning due to some other duty | 17:09 |
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| michaelxin_ | tmcpeak: ok | 17:09 |
| elmiko | i'll definitely followup with the api-wg | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | that way they can play with it, see (hopefully) it's good, and then we can get next steps to put it in their tox | 17:09 |
| michaelxin_ | elmiko: sahara? right | 17:09 |
| elmiko | michaelxin_: yes | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | oh yeah, I have an update on that I can wait until bandit slot | 17:10 |
| michaelxin_ | elmiko: +1 | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | Well, you can take any meeting you want, whenever you want :) If you want to wait for Bandit so that there’s a nice way to demo / leverage it then that’s absolutely fine | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | ahh ok, if you're already set up go ahead | 17:10 |
| michaelxin_ | maybe, we can start to say hi | 17:10 |
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| michaelxin_ | and learn what other people is doing. | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | seems reasonable | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | Whatever works for you as individuals, it’d be nice to drop in on the same group more than once | 17:11 |
| michaelxin_ | There is some emails about security issue for Fuel | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | with Sahara I'm sure elmiko can push Bandit anyway ;) | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | Maybe even being more of a security rep… | 17:11 |
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| hyakuhei | but that gets time intensive | 17:11 |
| michaelxin_ | Maybe, we can leverage opportunities like that | 17:11 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: hehe, yea. we are working towards a voting bandit gate | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | yep | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: ok, with the baseline I think it will be easier for you ;) | 17:11 |
| elmiko | cool | 17:11 |
| michaelxin_ | yes | 17:11 |
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| michaelxin_ | we might have to spend time on projects to learn what people are doing | 17:12 |
| michaelxin_ | the challenges they face | 17:12 |
| elmiko | seems like we already have good engagement with some of the projects on this list. should we just note that in the etherpad? | 17:12 |
| michaelxin_ | and help them | 17:12 |
| elmiko | (for example, barbican) | 17:12 |
| michaelxin_ | elmiko: +1 | 17:12 |
| michaelxin_ | ccneill: is working on lots of barbican security testings. | 17:13 |
| elmiko | nice | 17:13 |
| ccneill | <_< something like that | 17:13 |
| michaelxin_ | and designate | 17:13 |
| ccneill | I at least know what's going on I think ;) | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | gotta start somewhere | 17:13 |
| michaelxin_ | mdong: too. | 17:14 |
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| ccneill | I've been able to poke at the code manually a bit, and mcdong and I have written some functional security tests | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | Thats excellent news | 17:14 |
| ccneill | still have to figure out what we want to do with the tempest-lib CR I have open.. | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | ccneill: you writing them for tempest? | 17:14 |
| ccneill | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216303/ + https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237263/ | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | or just unit tests in Barbican? | 17:15 |
| ccneill | so I originally started with barbican, then Designate was added to my plate, and I realized that maintaining a one-off file for every product I test would be tedious | 17:15 |
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| ccneill | and someone from designate recommended putting it in tempest-lib | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, good to reuse | 17:15 |
| ccneill | barbican + designate both use tempest-lib, so I figured it was the lowest barrier to entry | 17:16 |
| ccneill | this also happened before syntribos, so there's some confusion of how/if they fit together | 17:16 |
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| ccneill | I think the stuff I've written makes sense mostly as a data generator; the validators I have are very simplistic | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, looks like there is some overlap | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | but still, cool stuff | 17:16 |
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| ccneill | sorry for that tangent, but figured it kind of fits in with our outreach | 17:17 |
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| tmcpeak | definitely | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | no it’s very useful | 17:17 |
| ccneill | since we'll want to figure out what tools we recommend/use ourselves/etc. | 17:17 |
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| michaelxin_ | ccneill: +1 | 17:17 |
| ccneill | I think maybe in Q1 I can work on integrating Syntribos and my stuff a little more | 17:17 |
| ccneill | at least feeding the stuff I've done into Syntribos or something | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | maybe we can spend some time reconciling this at the midcycle | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | + planning out where we want to do our fuzzing and drawing the lines | 17:18 |
| ccneill | yeah | 17:18 |
| ccneill | this was built purely to serve my needs for the tests I wanted to write for those 2 products; there is definitely room for improvement haha | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | it seems to make sense to have this in tempest | 17:19 |
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| tmcpeak | since those are already being run in the gate | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | would have less barrier to entry than introducing a separate tool | 17:19 |
| ccneill | yeah, and it's super trivial to write your own functional tests and just plug in my data generators | 17:19 |
| michaelxin_ | agree | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | I saw a Mirantis blog on security highlightly Syntribos | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | but completely missing the Security project as a whole | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | oh sweet, link? | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | :P | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | which made me both sad with mirantis and sad generally | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | well yeah, you'd think we'd at least have one participant from there | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://www.mirantis.com/blog/openstack-security-issues-self-defense-without-weapons/ | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | You’d think right? hehe. | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | Anyway, do you guys have specific bandit things to talk about? | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | yeah | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Bandit | 17:22 |
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| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:22 |
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| tmcpeak | so we were going to make it easy to do a Bandit gate | 17:23 |
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| tmcpeak | with the baseline stuff | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | and I was going to do just make a gate job template like I did for the HP stuff | 17:23 |
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| tmcpeak | but the project-config guys had the idea that we should just make a command line tool, and then projects can add it to their tox.ini and run it as part of flake8 checks | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | good idea | 17:23 |
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| tmcpeak | then a project doesn't have to do anything with config changes, they can change it themselves with their tox.ini | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | and it's also easy for developers to check locally | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | yeah | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | Ok that makes sense | 17:24 |
| ccneill | +1 for easy peasy | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | so I've got this tool I've been working on: https://review.openstack.org/254455 | 17:24 |
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| tmcpeak | the unit tests are broken (I'm deubgging them) | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | but the tool works | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | if you guys want to play with it | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | basically it checks out the parent commit, runs Bandit, checks out the current commit, runs Bandit baseline, and compares | 17:25 |
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| tmcpeak | so even if your project has a bunch of problems, you'll only get results that are introduced as part of your code change | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | you basically run 'bandit-baseline <bandit args>' and away you go | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | it can do HTML report, txt output, etc | 17:25 |
| browne | nice | 17:26 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: very cool | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | and most importantly we can just add it to the tox target | 17:26 |
| wayward710 | That sounds useful | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | so a project that wants to use a bandit gate but has existing issues should still be able to use it | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | it will just make sure new issues aren't introduced | 17:26 |
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| tmcpeak | so yeah, as soon as this unit test gets fixed we should be able to merge it, push a new Bandit that includes it, and then start socializing it | 17:27 |
| ccneill | sounds awesome | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | cool, thanks guys | 17:27 |
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| ccneill | some of the feedback I got presenting the OSSP deck at the OS Austin meetup was one guy was VERY interested in seeing every product gate on bandit | 17:27 |
| michaelxin | tmcpeak: great job | 17:27 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | :D | 17:27 |
| ccneill | so this is great stuff | 17:28 |
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| tmcpeak | cool, so next week it should be merged and everybody can go play around with it | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | that's all I had, tkelsey I assume you were busy? | 17:28 |
| tkelsey | nope im here | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Anchor | 17:28 |
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| hyakuhei | So not a lot has happened but viraptor has been working on integrating CMC messaging | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | I mean with the changes you're working on (config stuff) | 17:29 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: I'll look it over, I have been a bit snowed under :) | 17:29 |
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| tmcpeak | heh ,yeah, figured | 17:29 |
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| hyakuhei | because we want to leverage that (possibly) for attestation in Leeson too (certificate things) | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | tkelsey: I don’t think there’s any other Anchor things? | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | what's CMC messaging? | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | s/messaging/requests | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | (brainfart) | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | what's CMC requests? | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | It’s like google | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | CMC is a way of packaging up certificate requests | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | It comes in two variants, simple and … not | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | Barbican has a simple implementation, we want to try and implement it too | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | ahh | 17:31 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5272 | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | I take it we've rushed right out and started integration with the complicated one? :P | 17:31 |
| tkelsey | my IRC client is being lame, BRB while i relaunch it sorry! | 17:31 |
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| hyakuhei | We also need to put something together to better explain why ephemeral certificates are a good thing (revocation not working etc) | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | because I basically have to do a coffee talk every time someone new hears about it… | 17:32 |
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| tmcpeak | haha | 17:32 |
| elmiko | heh, i'll bet | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | “You dont revoke certificates!” INSECURE! | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | Well, you don’t really revoke them either, you just think you do.... | 17:33 |
| ccneill | yeah, from presenting at OSSP, it was definitely clear that at least I am unable to articulate all the benefits of Anchor... | 17:33 |
| wayward710 | I would be interested in helping with that, but there will be a learning curve for me, making for a slower timeline. Is that OK? | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | …. lets grab a coffee and maybe a white board. | 17:33 |
| ccneill | er *at Austin OpenStack | 17:33 |
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| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: you love doing coffee talks tho? :) | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | I’d be happy to try and get some design summit space to talk abotu Anchor | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | Of course there’s some content on youtube already | 17:33 |
| tkelsey | ok back | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | wb tkelsey | 17:34 |
| tkelsey | apologies | 17:34 |
| tkelsey | ty hyakuhei | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | I don’t have much to add really | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | Doug doesn’t appear to be here so nothing to add on the Killick things. | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | sicarie: What’s up with security docs? | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | (if he’s here….) | 17:35 |
| sicarie | haven't had time to mess with it much the last few weeks | 17:35 |
| sicarie | very little going on | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | Is it all shiny RST now ? | 17:35 |
| sicarie | yep | 17:36 |
| sicarie | all RST | 17:36 |
| sicarie | still working on getting sphinx to build the pdf | 17:36 |
| elmiko | and very shiny ;) | 17:36 |
| sicarie | that's a huge pain | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | Well that makes the bar for contribution significantly lower | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | congratulations | 17:36 |
| elmiko | +1 | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | massive bit of work to complete | 17:36 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic Last meeting | 17:36 |
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| hyakuhei | #Vote should we hold a meeting on Thursday the 17th? | 17:37 |
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| tmcpeak | last meeting? | 17:37 |
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| michaelxin | last meeting of this year? | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | #sure | 17:37 |
| tkelsey | of the year i'm guessing? | 17:37 |
| elmiko | i have no objection to that | 17:37 |
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| nkinder | +1 | 17:37 |
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| tkelsey | +1 I can be there then | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | #startvote Last meeting of the year on the 17th? | 17:37 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Last meeting of the year on the 17th? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 17:37 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 17:37 |
| tkelsey | +1 | 17:38 |
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| tmcpeak | #vote Yes | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | ^ Yay bot votey thing works :P | 17:38 |
| sicarie | #vote Yes | 17:38 |
| tkelsey | #vote yes | 17:38 |
| nkinder | #vote Yes | 17:38 |
| elmiko | #yes | 17:38 |
| michaelxin | I will be here. +vote Yes | 17:38 |
| ccneill | #vote yes | 17:38 |
| elmiko | #vote yes | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | #vote yes | 17:38 |
| michaelxin | #vote Yes | 17:38 |
| wayward710 | #vote yes | 17:38 |
| gmurphy | #vote No - just to be different | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | Ok well I guess that was easy enough, I’m presuming we’ll skip the meeting on christmas eve | 17:38 |
| elmiko | gmurphy: nice ;) | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | gmurphy: you were already way different enough! | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | #vote no Xmas eve meeting | 17:38 |
| tkelsey | lol | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | lol +1 | 17:38 |
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| hyakuhei | #showvote | 17:39 |
| elmiko | wait, i thought we were doing ossp santa tracker on xmas eve? | 17:39 |
| michaelxin | elmiko: +1 | 17:39 |
| elmiko | hehe | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | #endvote | 17:39 |
| openstack | Voted on "Last meeting of the year on the 17th?" Results are | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | ossp santa modding? | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | wow the openstack bot is having a bad day.... | 17:39 |
| elmiko | naughty/nice list injection exploits, ftw | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | thinking… thinking | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | #santaglitches | 17:40 |
| gmurphy | 42 | 17:40 |
| nkinder | it's goign to tell us we have to meet on xmas eve... | 17:40 |
| elmiko | haha | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:40 |
| michaelxin | haha | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | rofl | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | this voting has worked wonderfully | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | ok that’s more-or-less all I had | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | midcycle? | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Any other business | 17:40 |
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| hyakuhei | Yes, so afaik we’re just waiting for people to confirm numbers | 17:40 |
| michaelxin | mdong: can you update Syntribos? | 17:41 |
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| tmcpeak | cool, fair enough | 17:41 |
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| tmcpeak | we good on topics? | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-mitaka-midcycle | 17:41 |
| michaelxin | mdong has been working on Syntribos recently. | 17:41 |
| mdong | I can talk a little bit on it | 17:41 |
| bknudson | festivus is dec 23 so I'll be busy | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | We need to build the topics out more, add some structure, leaders for each bit as we’ve done with previous summits | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | s/summits/mid-cycles/ | 17:41 |
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| mdong | so I’ve been working on making Syntribos more usable, namely working on its reporting | 17:41 |
| elmiko | bknudson: +1 | 17:42 |
| tkelsey | mdong: insteresting | 17:42 |
| tkelsey | *interesting | 17:42 |
| mdong | trying to make it output like bandit instead of what it’s doing right now, which is writing stack traces to logs | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | mdong: feel free to steal :) | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | that's what open source is all about | 17:43 |
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| michaelxin | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:44 |
| mdong | already on it ;) | 17:44 |
| michaelxin | https://review.openstack.org/255357 | 17:44 |
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| mdong | I should have a few more CRs up for it shortly | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | nice | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | looks like it's coming along | 17:45 |
| tkelsey | mdong: nice | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | I’m really excited to see where this project goes | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:46 |
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| hyakuhei | and aligning outputs of bandit and syntribos is very classy | 17:46 |
| dg_ | +1 | 17:46 |
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| mdong | really the problem is that Syntribos, being based on OpenCafe, behaves very differently from Bandit | 17:47 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | I get that, they’re different tools doing different things | 17:47 |
| mdong | as far as the way its tests are written and run | 17:47 |
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| mdong | but as far as aligning the output it’s not too hard | 17:47 |
| michaelxin | cool | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | but if the outputs, although different can potentially be consumed in similar ways with similar look and feel that’s going ot play very nicely with developers | 17:47 |
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| tmcpeak | yep ye | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | p | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | Excellent. Right what else to discuss people? | 17:49 |
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| tkelsey | dg_: anything on Killick? | 17:49 |
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| tmcpeak | https://media1.giphy.com/media/4PvmF62Tl3KLe/200_s.gif | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:50 |
| elmiko | lol, ouch | 17:50 |
| tkelsey | lol | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | :P | 17:50 |
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| michaelxin | please sign up for mid-cycle meeting if you have not done it yet. | 17:50 |
| michaelxin | :-) | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 10 17:50:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-12-10-17.00.html | 17:50 |
| tkelsey | michaelxin: +1 | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-12-10-17.00.txt | 17:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-12-10-17.00.log.html | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | have a good week everybody! | 17:50 |
| * hyakuhei slaps tmcpeak | 17:50 | |
| elmiko | thanks hyakuhei | 17:50 |
| michaelxin | Thanks. | 17:50 |
| ccneill | o/ | 17:50 |
| tkelsey | thanks everyone :) | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | ;) | 17:50 |
| elmiko | you too tmcpeak | 17:50 |
| michaelxin | bye | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | (logging finished) :D | 17:50 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | hey sahara folks | 17:59 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 18:00 |
| elmiko | hi | 18:00 |
| Akanksha08 | Hello folks | 18:00 |
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| huichun | hello | 18:00 |
| esikachev | hi! | 18:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 10 18:02:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, vgridnev) | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, how is it going with horizon @ sahara-dashboard back to home :) | 18:02 |
| vgridnev | it's going | 18:03 |
| elmiko | going well from what i can see | 18:03 |
| vgridnev | there is an integration job to project-config is pending | 18:03 |
| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255232/ | 18:03 |
| crobertsrh | Still need reviews :) | 18:03 |
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| vgridnev | next topic? | 18:05 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | vgridnev, have we got the installation of the devstack plugin fixed | 18:06 |
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| huichun | vgridnev: hi vgridnev , not sure how can I update scenario framework to allow replacement of self-defined var with some values | 18:07 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I mean that the dashboard should be installed with -e flag so that pip does not copy it ti the dist-packages | 18:07 |
| huichun | According to your review comments | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic | 18:07 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:07 |
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| vgridnev | NikitaKonovalov, right know no, I did not uploaded fix for that yet | 18:07 |
| NikitaKonovalov | vgridnev: thanks | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | vgridnev, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255232/3 -1'd by tsufiev | 18:08 |
| elmiko | hey folks, i want to introduce Akanksha08, she is an intern working through the outreachy program on the sahara project | 18:08 |
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| Akanksha08 | Hi guys | 18:08 |
| huichun | Welcome | 18:08 |
| tmckay | Akanksha08, hi! | 18:08 |
| esikachev | hi! | 18:09 |
| vgridnev | SergeyLukjanov, I think that right now there is no way to use scheme that Timur suggested, because we need different plugins enabled | 18:09 |
| vgridnev | Akanksha08, welcome! | 18:09 |
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| elmiko | she will be working on improving the anti-affinity support we have, based around the wishlist bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1426398 | 18:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1426398 in Sahara "Current anti-affinity only allows instances equals to number of hypervisors" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Michael McCune (mimccune) | 18:09 |
| Akanksha08 | Thanks! | 18:09 |
| elmiko | and, i need to switch that bug assignment to her ;) | 18:10 |
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| vgridnev | elmiko, do we need bug for that, or we need to have blueprint? | 18:10 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: it was a bug registered by a user. we will most likely need to generate a bp | 18:10 |
| huichun | vgridnev: do you have any related patches to let me see how to do this update on scenario framework? Confused on this | 18:11 |
| Akanksha08 | yes we wanted to discuss if need a bp or not | 18:11 |
| elmiko | i think we'll need to discuss a solution, i know SergeyLukjanov had some nice ideas about this | 18:11 |
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| Akanksha08 | SergeyLukjanov, can we discuss the ideas you have? | 18:12 |
| huichun | https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/255173 vgridnev | 18:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 255173 in easytag-aac (Ubuntu) "easytag crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_tree_selection_select_iter()" [Medium,New] | 18:12 |
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| vgridnev | huichun, hi. I will find some links for that | 18:12 |
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| vgridnev | huichun, strange bug | 18:12 |
| huichun | vgridnev: thx, just put that link on under this patch | 18:12 |
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| huichun | vgridnev: sorry wrong link | 18:13 |
| vgridnev | huichun, you welcome to email me in case of questions | 18:13 |
| elmiko | in other news, the castellan updates are all in place and the improved secret store patch is passing CI. also the apiv2 progress continues... | 18:13 |
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| huichun | vgridnev: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255173 | 18:14 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: re: anti-affinity, we had talked once about the idea of creating additional server groups to allow more than 1:1 node:hypervisor, is this still the path we should follow? | 18:14 |
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| huichun | vgridnev: you can put the link under this patch as review comments, thx | 18:15 |
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| vgridnev | huichun, ok | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hm, I have no real ideas for a-a | 18:16 |
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| elmiko | hmm, ok. you had mentioned that before, i was thinking we could allow a config option to define the number of nodes per hypervisor, then create server groups to allow those numbers. does that make sense? | 18:17 |
| huichun | SergeyLukjanov: since vanilla 2.6.0 is deprecated, should we remove these2.6.0 code ? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255111 | 18:17 |
| vgridnev | forgot something, I've updated tempest test with new plugins versions, need some reviews | 18:17 |
| vgridnev | #https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255968/ | 18:17 |
| vgridnev | huichun, we need to update tempest tests first | 18:17 |
| huichun | Ok | 18:17 |
| tosky | huichun: you could put a Depends-On: to that tempest review in your review, maybe | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic elmiko, I think it make sense to be user-configurable when choosing services for a-a | 18:18 |
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| elmiko | hehe | 18:18 |
| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255968/ | 18:18 |
| huichun | vgridnev: do we have patch to update tempest? | 18:18 |
| huichun | tosky: thx | 18:18 |
| vgridnev | ^^ | 18:18 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: so, basically, when the user chooses services for a-a, they could define the ratio? | 18:19 |
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| vgridnev | huichun, see links above | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, I think so | 18:19 |
| huichun | Ah see this | 18:19 |
| tosky | huichun: not because of your change; we should have added the support to the new version before | 18:19 |
| elmiko | ok, i can work with Akanksha08 on creating a spec for this | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | cool | 18:20 |
| Akanksha08 | yes, I agree that the ratio should be user-configurable | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | huichun, was it deprecated in Liberty? | 18:20 |
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| huichun | In this release? I think | 18:20 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | huichun, then it should be removed in the next release | 18:21 |
| huichun | Ok | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | re sahara-tests extraction, seems like we need more reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250419/ (shame on me :( ) | 18:21 |
| Akanksha08 | elmiko, and using that ratio we can decide in which manner we want to distribute nodes | 18:21 |
| elmiko | Akanksha08: yea, that makes sense | 18:22 |
| elmiko | some of this will depend on our ability to instruct nova how to distribute nodes | 18:22 |
| elmiko | otherwise, we might want to keep it simple and just create a number of server groups depending on the overload ratio requested. | 18:23 |
| Akanksha08 | yes I did not go through the nova code yet as in how it creates the server group | 18:23 |
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| elmiko | Akanksha08: i can point you at our code after the meeting | 18:23 |
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| Akanksha08 | elmiko: yes we can do that way as well | 18:25 |
| huichun | tmckay: currently, when we delete a cluster, there is no check on whether there are edp jobs running on this cluster? If not, should we have to add this check and refuse this operation? | 18:25 |
| vgridnev | huichun, I've added link to your review with an example | 18:26 |
| tmckay | huichun, hmm, I am unsure. Those jobs could certainly be canceled | 18:26 |
| tmckay | huichun, that is a good question, we should check if there is current code to handle it | 18:26 |
| huichun | vgridnev: thx VG | 18:27 |
| huichun | tmckay: there is no check on this | 18:27 |
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| vgridnev | huichun, about cluster I think that we should allow deletion of cluster in case of running job on top of it | 18:28 |
| huichun | So if there are jobs running, I think we should reject this delete cluster operation? | 18:28 |
| vgridnev | I think no | 18:28 |
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| tmckay | huichun, hmm, we probably need a spec to discuss it. I lean with vgridnev, I think | 18:28 |
| tmckay | but I can see both sides | 18:28 |
| tmckay | we could add a "--force" type flag, potentially | 18:29 |
| huichun | vgridnev: if user are forgot there are jobs on cluster? | 18:29 |
| huichun | Ok I will raise a spec on this topic for discuss | 18:29 |
| huichun | tmckay: | 18:30 |
| vgridnev | I most cases I think it's enough to add some kind of warnings in UI and CLI | 18:30 |
| tmckay | vgridnev, right, but a warning is worthless unless it asks for confirmation | 18:30 |
| egafford | +1 to vgridnev and tmckay: particularly in the case of stuck jobs, we should allow deletion during a job. | 18:30 |
| tmckay | so, warn without disabling the action just lets the user know too late :) | 18:30 |
| tmckay | WARNING: okay, I am nuking your jobs .... | 18:31 |
| tmckay | stop!!! | 18:31 |
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| tmckay | too loate | 18:31 |
| huichun | Yes waring is too late | 18:31 |
| tmckay | that's why I suggest warn with --force | 18:31 |
| egafford | --force is sensible for the CLI, yeah. | 18:31 |
| tmckay | vgridnev, on the UI, you can do the whole "Are you sure?" thing | 18:32 |
| tmckay | crobertsrh, ^^ :) | 18:32 |
| tosky | --i-really-want-to-do-it | 18:32 |
| tmckay | lol | 18:32 |
| crobertsrh | tmckay can work on the "undo" operation :) | 18:32 |
| huichun | +1 for --force | 18:32 |
| vgridnev | I think we will need some confirmation like apt-get install vs apt-get install -y | 18:32 |
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| tmckay | undo cluster deletion with jobs, oh my head hurtws | 18:32 |
| egafford | If you're making pure REST calls, do we just hope you know what you're doing, or do we push the force arg to the server layer to protect those who desperately hate all tools? | 18:32 |
| egafford | (But love webservices). | 18:32 |
| egafford | (They're complicated). | 18:32 |
| elmiko | i'm not sure we want to enshrine the force option in the rest api | 18:33 |
| egafford | elmiko: +1. | 18:33 |
| egafford | Just seemed like the next question. | 18:33 |
| huichun | tmckay: I will raise a spec on this topic , I think-- force is better currently | 18:33 |
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| elmiko | yea, good question, but i think the rest interface should operate like you would expect a programattic api to work | 18:33 |
| tmckay | huichun, thanks for bringing it up, good question | 18:34 |
| egafford | I agree. | 18:34 |
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| pino|work | just fail if any of the conditions is not met | 18:34 |
| * tmckay it's "are you sure?" all the way down .... ;-) | 18:34 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | (I'm ok with any kind of --force + confirm on horizon side for user) | 18:34 |
| pino|work | but otherwise, just go head doing the operation | 18:34 |
| * tmckay imagines "Are you sure?" at weddings ... | 18:35 | |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: +1 | 18:35 |
| elmiko | tmckay: that may actually help things, but make for some odd wedding moments ;) | 18:35 |
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| pino|work | tmckay: hey, isn't there already a "speak out now, or shut up forever"? | 18:36 |
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| tmckay | pino|work, that's for the audience | 18:36 |
| elmiko | pino|work: yea, but that's for the audience not the participants | 18:36 |
| pino|work | ahh ok | 18:36 |
| tmckay | jinx, by me some baremetal | 18:36 |
| tmckay | buy, sorry | 18:36 |
| pino|work | (see how much experience with that i have) | 18:36 |
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| elmiko | lol, sure baremetal ARM boxes XD | 18:36 |
| elmiko | i vote we change the #topic | 18:37 |
| tmckay | hey, are we on open topics yet, it seems like it | 18:37 |
| tmckay | I have one ... | 18:37 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: maybe a second chair? | 18:41 |
| tmckay | elmiko, maybe we should try to change it ... | 18:41 |
| elmiko | can't need to be a chair | 18:42 |
| tmckay | doh | 18:42 |
| elmiko | #topic tmckay is awesome | 18:42 |
| elmiko | see | 18:42 |
| tmckay | that is a very deep topic | 18:42 |
| elmiko | hehe, i know right? | 18:42 |
| tmckay | probably need a second meeting :) | 18:42 |
| * elmiko chuckles | 18:42 | |
| huichun | ^^ | 18:43 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, we want open discussion, or we will go on strike | 18:43 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sorry folks, bad internet connection :( | 18:43 |
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| elmiko | no worries | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:43 |
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| tmckay | thanks :) | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | just reconnected to znc | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #chair tmckay | 18:43 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SergeyLukjanov tmckay | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #chair elmiko | 18:44 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SergeyLukjanov elmiko tmckay | 18:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | PTL HA mode enabled | 18:44 |
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| elmiko | hehe, thanks | 18:44 |
| tmckay | heh. okay, so here is my question SergeyLukjanov and other ironic experienced folks ... | 18:44 |
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| tmckay | I have been spending much time with ironic since Paris, hence my scarcity on the channel, and reviews, and patches, etc | 18:44 |
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| tmckay | ironic/nova/neutron confluence can be difficult. But that's another story. Anyway ... | 18:45 |
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| esikachev | guys, we are missed topic "Discuss sahara scenario tests extraction" | 18:45 |
| esikachev | :( | 18:45 |
| tmckay | it seems there is no good automated setup mechanism for access to the nova metadata service over 169.254.169.254 from baremetal ... | 18:45 |
| egafford | :o | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | do we have something to discuss re sahara-tests extraction right now? | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I think we still need more reviews on spec, folks, please | 18:46 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: +1 | 18:46 |
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| tosky | yep (sorry, I was a bit slow on the review) | 18:46 |
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| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, so, I ended up using the "--config-drive" option for setting up cloud-init. Is this what you did in your sahara/ironic experiments? | 18:47 |
| tmckay | actually, I set "force_config_drive" in the nova.conf | 18:47 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, or did you find some way of setting up access to 169.254 for the metadata service? | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, I'm not sure, you should chat with NikitaKonovalov and degorenko | 18:48 |
| tmckay | sorry, not Paris, Tokyo .... | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | probably esikachev knows something too | 18:48 |
| huichun | Oh, just one important issue, do we have any plan to modify the current design to support the old Hadoop version for customer, if we remove CDH 5.0 code, but the customer is using CDH 5.0, and we say:" sorry, we Sahara do not support CDH5.0 now" it's really strange | 18:48 |
| huichun | SergeyLukjanov: | 18:48 |
| huichun | tmckay: | 18:48 |
| huichun | elmiko: | 18:48 |
| tmckay | so we're talking about deprecation policy for plugins ... | 18:49 |
| tmckay | we've discussed many times | 18:49 |
| huichun | It's the point | 18:49 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | tmckay: as far as I remember the experiments were on nova network, and degorenko could somehow make cloud-init work | 18:50 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov had a great idea about the plugins and backward compat, but it is still an idea at this point | 18:50 |
| elmiko | huichun: ^^ | 18:50 |
| tmckay | NikitaKonovalov, okay, thanks, I'll ask him | 18:50 |
| huichun | Ok | 18:50 |
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| elmiko | huichun: for the time being though, there is not a good way to support older plugins from current server | 18:50 |
| tmckay | I'm not even sure if we have a plugin deprecation policy doc in the official sahara docs, do we? Maybe we should | 18:51 |
| tosky | we should, I agree | 18:51 |
| huichun | I think we should | 18:51 |
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| elmiko | yea, we had a whole session about deprecation policy, we definitely need to write that stuff down somewhere | 18:51 |
| huichun | Customer need this, or it will be crazy | 18:51 |
| elmiko | +1 | 18:51 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | with a plugin separation - it's still not clear how to implement it | 18:53 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | the best working solution from UX PoV will be overcomplicated and non-supportable | 18:54 |
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| elmiko | ah, that's too bad | 18:56 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I'm still evaluating the options... | 18:56 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | probably we'll find some balance | 18:57 |
| elmiko | cool, i thought it was a great idea | 18:57 |
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| elmiko | before we finish, quick reminder. the api v2 spec has been updated again, please take a look sometime | 18:58 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/212172 | 18:58 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | thx! | 18:59 |
| tmckay | thanks elmiko. You are the V2 hero | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 1 min left, any last second updates? | 18:59 |
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| elmiko | tmckay: not a hero, just a man with a dream ;) | 18:59 |
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| tmckay | heh. So was Batman :) | 18:59 |
| elmiko | lol! | 19:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | thx folks! | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 10 19:00:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-12-10-18.02.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-12-10-18.02.txt | 19:00 |
| elmiko | thanks SergeyLukjanov | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-12-10-18.02.log.html | 19:00 |
| huichun | Good night | 19:00 |
| tmckay | bye | 19:00 |
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| esikachev | bye | 19:00 |
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| tosky | o/ | 19:01 |
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| Akanksha08 | bye | 19:07 |
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| amitgandhinz | @startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting | 19:09 |
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| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting | 19:09 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 10 19:09:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:09 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:09 | |
| sriram | o/ | 19:09 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy_weekly_meeting' | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic RollCall | 19:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RollCall (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:09 | |
| malini | o/ | 19:09 |
| sriram | o/ | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Recap | 19:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Recap (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:10 | |
| amitgandhinz | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-11-12-19.08.html | 19:10 |
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| amitgandhinz | i think i created that story for analytics driver | 19:11 |
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| amitgandhinz | let me look | 19:11 |
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| sriram | ok I'll go assign it to myself. | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/analytics | 19:12 |
| sriram | oh its already assigned to me :) | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | mkmad: sriram: you can split this up amongst yourselves | 19:13 |
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| sriram | amitgandhinz: =1 | 19:13 |
| sriram | err | 19:13 |
| sriram | +1 | 19:13 |
| mkmad | Yes +1 | 19:13 |
| malini | atleast wasn't zero :D | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Progress | 19:13 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/mitaka | 19:13 |
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| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/akamai-ssl-driver | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | can we call this done? | 19:14 |
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| tonytan4ever | If the scope is just mod-san one, then yes | 19:15 |
| tonytan4ever | we still got custom, custom-shared though | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | yep just changed the scope | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | i think we have another bp for custom | 19:15 |
| tonytan4ever | Okay, | 19:15 |
| tonytan4ever | Then that one is done. | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/gate-api-tests | 19:16 |
| malini | no progress :( | 19:16 |
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| malini | I probably should unassign tht | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | ok will unassign | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | sriram: mkmad: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/analytics | 19:17 |
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| sriram | active work ongoing | 19:18 |
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| mkmad | Yes, working on it as we speak. | 19:18 |
| sriram | pull from provider store, is just logs that are shipped by the provider | 19:18 |
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| sriram | tonytan4ever has a few stubs out there for the api | 19:18 |
| sriram | on poppy's side. | 19:18 |
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| sriram | the spark functions, and posting stuff on rabbit queue is done. | 19:19 |
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| sriram | the backing store from which metrics would be pulled, after being posted to from rabbitmq will be generic. | 19:20 |
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| amitgandhinz | sriram: can you update the WorkItems list in the bp to show the DONE stuff | 19:20 |
| sriram | amitgandhinz: sure | 19:20 |
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| sriram | will update the blueprint | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | thanks | 19:20 |
| mkmad | I am working on parsing the data from rabbitmq and pushing it to buckets in cloud metrics | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | great | 19:20 |
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| sriram | tonytan4ever: your patch on stubs for metrics was merged right? | 19:22 |
| tonytan4ever | On poppy's side ? | 19:22 |
| sriram | yeah | 19:22 |
| tonytan4ever | I think not. | 19:22 |
| sriram | was it in review? | 19:22 |
| tonytan4ever | Should be in review, let me check | 19:22 |
| tonytan4ever | Oh, I haven't even made the PR yet | 19:23 |
| sriram | lol | 19:23 |
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| tonytan4ever | Let me roll out the PR first | 19:23 |
| sriram | ok | 19:23 |
| tonytan4ever | We can call it's started. | 19:23 |
| sriram | cool | 19:23 |
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| sriram | ok lets move on to the next one. | 19:24 |
| sriram | amitgandhinz: ^ | 19:24 |
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| amitgandhinz | okie doke | 19:24 |
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| amitgandhinz | anything else in progress we need to talk about | 19:24 |
| malini | nothing from me | 19:25 |
| sriram | just bug fixes which went through | 19:25 |
| sriram | nothing big on features currently. | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | which brings me to the next topic | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Bugs | 19:26 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | so first, we need to get better at referencing bugs in our patches | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | we still are not doing that | 19:26 |
| sriram | +1 | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | if you fix a bug (documented or not), please add the bug in launchpad and then reference that in your commit | 19:26 |
| mkmad | Agreed. | 19:27 |
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| amitgandhinz | that way when i tag releases, we have bp and bugs that i can bind to the release, and works as release notes | 19:27 |
| sriram | yes will do that. | 19:27 |
| sriram | on that note: | 19:27 |
| sriram | https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bug/1486103 | 19:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1486103 in Poppy "Fix Flaky tests due to Cassandra inconsistency issues" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Sriram (thesriram) | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | everyone needs to enforce this during review time | 19:27 |
| sriram | the fix has been released right? | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | ya | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | i actually updated its milestone to the 1.0.2 release already ;-) | 19:28 |
| sriram | ok, I can change the status on that then | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | just did | 19:28 |
| sriram | oh cool | 19:28 |
| sriram | ok | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | any other bugs we need to sweep up | 19:28 |
| sriram | I just added this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bug/1523964 | 19:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1523964 in Poppy "Change function mapping to be kwargs instead of args" [Wishlist,New] | 19:28 |
| sriram | can be a low hanging fruit | 19:29 |
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| sriram | for any new contributor to pick up | 19:29 |
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| sriram | I have seen this be a cause of bugs. | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | "fruit hanging low" lol | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | lets use "low-hanging-fruit" instead | 19:29 |
| sriram | heh | 19:29 |
| mkmad | lol | 19:30 |
| sriram | ok changed that :P | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | cool | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic OpenDiscuss | 19:31 |
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| amitgandhinz | so, we are coming up on the holiday period, so the next meeting will be first week of jan | 19:31 |
| amitgandhinz | jan 7 | 19:32 |
| sriram | at some point we need to start discussing about "big tent" | 19:32 |
| sriram | malini: ^ | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | yup, i want a discussion around big tent, merits, etc | 19:32 |
| malini | sure :) | 19:32 |
| sriram | and happy holidays everyone! :D | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | also, im wondering if we want to change these meetings to biweekly instead of weekly | 19:33 |
| malini | will miss everybody for a loong time ;) | 19:33 |
| sriram | amitgandhinz: +1 | 19:33 |
| mkmad | +1 | 19:33 |
| sriram | lets do that | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | cool | 19:33 |
| malini | depends on the question above | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | ok anything else? | 19:34 |
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| sriram | thaaats it from me | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | #agreed hold meetings every two weeks | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | #agreed discuss Big Tent in the new year | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | thats all folks | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | happy holidays | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | happy workdays for those without holidays | 19:35 |
| sriram | see ya, have a great time :) | 19:35 |
| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 19:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 10 19:35:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-12-10-19.09.html | 19:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-12-10-19.09.txt | 19:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-12-10-19.09.log.html | 19:35 |
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