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d0ugal | o/ | 14:00 |
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weshay | hellooo | 14:01 |
eggmaster | o/ | 14:01 |
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d0ugal | Hi! | 14:01 |
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tzumainn | hi! | 14:02 |
trown | o/ | 14:03 |
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dprince | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:03 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 15 14:03:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dprince. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:03 |
dprince | #topic agenda | 14:04 |
dprince | * bugs | 14:04 |
dprince | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:04 |
dprince | * CI | 14:04 |
dprince | * Specs | 14:04 |
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dprince | * one off agenda items | 14:04 |
dprince | * open discussion | 14:04 |
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akrivoka | hello! | 14:04 |
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d0ugal | Hi! | 14:04 |
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dprince | I see there a few one off agenda items so lets leave time for those... | 14:05 |
jdob | o/ | 14:05 |
dprince | #topic bugs | 14:06 |
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dprince | we are currently dealing with several issues that block us from updating our DELOREAN_REPO_URL in ci | 14:07 |
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dprince | I believe trown is tracking things here | 14:07 |
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dprince | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/delorean_master_current_issues | 14:07 |
dprince | trown, derekh: anything there that we need to talk about now? | 14:07 |
trown | dprince: I think the swift overcloud fix that merged has broken undercloud install | 14:08 |
derekh | dprince: nothing from me, havn't looked at it much this week | 14:08 |
dprince | trown: okay, weird. We shouldn't even have the ringbuilder module in the undercloud | 14:09 |
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trown | dprince: if I manually apply that change to the swift puppet manifest, `openstack undercloud install` errors during puppet-stack-config | 14:09 |
dprince | trown: perhaps paste the error and link it into the etherpad so we can have a look... | 14:09 |
trown | dprince: will do after the meeting | 14:09 |
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trown | dmitry is working on the IPA issue | 14:10 |
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trown | ah... dprince I am not sure how we will have https://review.openstack.org/257550 pass CI | 14:10 |
trown | it relies on new openstackclient package that changed the behavior | 14:11 |
dprince | trown: perhaps we just coordinate it with bumping the DELOREAN_REPO_URL | 14:11 |
dprince | trown: like, have a WIP tripleo-ci job to demonstrate that it passes w/ the new URL, but we don't actually land the tripleo-ci fix. | 14:12 |
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marios | o/ sorry late | 14:12 |
dprince | trown: I think that would be enough | 14:12 |
trown | dprince: ok makes sense | 14:12 |
trown | dprince: we will have to save that for last then, since it will not pass with new URL right now | 14:12 |
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dprince | trown: sure. | 14:13 |
trown | ok I am good to move on... if anyone wants to help coordinate through that etherpad | 14:14 |
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dprince | okay, I will follow up on that etherpad after this meeting | 14:14 |
adarazs | o/ | 14:14 |
dprince | any other bugs stuff? | 14:14 |
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dprince | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:15 |
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dprince | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/082053.html | 14:18 |
dprince | steve gave a nice review of the status of the stable branch backports work there I think that should cover us this week | 14:19 |
dprince | other than that anything else? | 14:19 |
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dprince | #topic CI | 14:20 |
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dprince | CI is working again. We had an outage last Friday due to a puppet-mysql change | 14:20 |
dprince | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1525314 | 14:21 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1525314 in tripleo "CI failing on undercloud connecting to MariaDB" [Critical,Triaged] | 14:21 |
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dprince | That has been landed now, but the patch/fix looks like it didn't make it into the ticket there | 14:21 |
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dprince | derekh: any other CI things this week? | 14:23 |
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derekh | dprince: same problems we had last week are ongoing, | 14:25 |
derekh | dprince: should find time this week to figure them out (rh1 cloud instances erroring) | 14:26 |
dprince | derekh: okay, thanks | 14:27 |
dprince | #topic Specs | 14:27 |
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dprince | tzumainn: hi, so on the TripleO API spec. do we mention anywhere about it being a prototype or anything. i.e. not necissarily a final form perhaps? | 14:28 |
tzumainn | dprince, let me double check | 14:29 |
dprince | tzumainn: specifically thinking about what might happen w/ Mistral, and or if we decide that we need more TripleO API calls or something | 14:29 |
dprince | tzumainn: just might be worth adding some verbage about this being sort of an exploratory effort, and while useful not necissarily a final state (yet) | 14:30 |
tzumainn | dprince, I do mention that the project as a whole may go in a different direction in the future, such as with Mistral - is that sufficient? | 14:30 |
dprince | tzumainn: maybe :). I'll ready it again and follow up on the review again. | 14:30 |
tzumainn | dprince, haha, okay, thanks! | 14:31 |
dprince | tzumainn: thanks for the adjustments you've already made last week | 14:31 |
tzumainn | no problem, I appreciate the reviews! | 14:31 |
slagle | what about CI coverage on the api? | 14:32 |
slagle | that might help tease out what direction we end up going | 14:32 |
slagle | by getting in CI it will naturally start showing up in people's development workflows | 14:32 |
d0ugal | That's a good idea. | 14:32 |
d0ugal | We would get it when the CLI uses the API, but that is some time away | 14:32 |
dprince | I would think we would want CI on any workflows we use (if possible) | 14:33 |
dprince | TripleO API, or not | 14:33 |
dprince | but ++ for CI on it as well | 14:33 |
tzumainn | yep, that makes sense, I think the spec mentions that as well | 14:33 |
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slagle | right, but the GUI isn't under TripleO (yet?). and if CLI is some time away... | 14:34 |
slagle | my concern here is that means that api isn't really getting good coverage in a way that is consumable for tripleo devs | 14:34 |
dprince | slagle: right, the same problem as Tuskar basically | 14:35 |
slagle | exactly | 14:35 |
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dprince | I think perhaps TripleO API will just have to rely on some extra functional tests until client side tools catch up | 14:37 |
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d0ugal | I would be happy to help add CI support, it should be quite easy but I am unfamiliar | 14:37 |
d0ugal | (I am testing the API directly with curl anyway) | 14:38 |
d0ugal | unfamiliar with CI* | 14:38 |
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dprince | okay, perhaps any other comments can go on the TripleO API spec review | 14:38 |
dprince | I'd like to leave time for the agenda items | 14:39 |
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dprince | tzumainn: didn't we confirm people are okay not renaming 'tripleo-common' last week? | 14:39 |
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tzumainn | dprince, yeah, I didn't re-add that topic... ? | 14:39 |
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d0ugal | heh, I guess it was never removed. | 14:40 |
dprince | tzumainn: no worries, I thought I rememberd it | 14:40 |
dprince | okay | 14:40 |
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dprince | #topic swift storage for tripleo-heat-templates | 14:40 |
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dprince | d0ugal: this is you right | 14:41 |
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d0ugal | dprince: Yup | 14:41 |
dprince | Is Swift the best storage for the t-h-t? Concerns about dealing with 100+ related files without transactions | 14:41 |
dprince | d0ugal: what if we use a tarball? | 14:41 |
d0ugal | This may work better as an email, but I wanted to raise the subject here | 14:41 |
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d0ugal | dprince: That could well work, so we are just dealing with one file. | 14:41 |
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dprince | d0ugal: right, but the API would have to expand it (or cache it) to be able to read it each time | 14:42 |
d0ugal | The general issue is that to make Swift work well for t-h-t we need to do batch operations | 14:42 |
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jtomasek | doude: how would that work, what if we need to set metadata only for certain set of files in some of the steps? | 14:42 |
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d0ugal | dprince: I guess we would still have an issue with multiple requests updating the tarball at the same time | 14:43 |
d0ugal | jtomasek: We wouldn't use swift's metadata, we would have to use our own? Which isn't ideal | 14:43 |
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rbrady | the tarball doesn't solve the original problem and degrades the user experience | 14:43 |
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d0ugal | This review is a good example: https://review.openstack.org/257481 | 14:44 |
d0ugal | It essentially does a manual rollback, doing that concerns me | 14:44 |
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jtomasek | how about plain old database instead of swift? is that an option? | 14:44 |
d0ugal | jtomasek: We did that for Tuskar, it wasn't popular for various reasons. | 14:44 |
jtomasek | yep | 14:44 |
d0ugal | I don't know if the Glance Artifact change happened, that was a candidate and they were promising some features to do with related files | 14:45 |
dprince | d0ugal: could be a backend, Mysql, Swift | 14:45 |
d0ugal | or related assets I think I should say | 14:45 |
slagle | i'm not sure what the exact issue is, but git was floated as an altenative to Swift. is that still relevant? | 14:45 |
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d0ugal | slagle: In https://review.openstack.org/257481 we need to create a container and add the files for a plan. If we have an issue somewhere we have a half created plan. | 14:46 |
dprince | wouldn't glance potentially store its artifacts in swift as well. Like if we enabled the Glance swift backend | 14:46 |
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d0ugal | dprince: Oh, maybe. I didn't know what. | 14:46 |
d0ugal | Multiple backends would be a reasonable option, it should be quite easy, but I would be concerned about supporting them all. | 14:46 |
d0ugal | Another example with the current code, if somebody uploads a new plan and somebody else deploys at the same time you could end up deploying half old and new | 14:47 |
d0ugal | because the changes are not atomic | 14:48 |
dprince | d0ugal: for deployment it sounds like you need a staging area that is part of the "Transaction" | 14:48 |
gfidente | guys, pardon the stupid question but, does this mean we'll end up installing a copy of the templates in /usr and deploy from another source? | 14:48 |
dprince | d0ugal: or, you lock it via a locking mechanism to prohibit uploads during deployment | 14:49 |
d0ugal | dprince: yup, I had wondered about locking | 14:49 |
jtomasek | gfidente: basicaly yes, beacause non-cli clients have no means to access files in the filesystem | 14:49 |
dprince | d0ugal: it is a long lock to hold! | 14:49 |
d0ugal | There are ways to make this work, but we will always be creating our own database on swift. is that a good idea? | 14:49 |
gfidente | jtomasek, do the non-cli clients *need* access to the files? | 14:50 |
jdob | this discussion sounds oddly familiar :) | 14:50 |
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d0ugal | Since there don't seem to be any obvious answers, it might be best to take this to openstack-dev? | 14:51 |
gfidente | jtomasek, is it the client going to do the heat POST or the tripleo-common ? | 14:51 |
jtomasek | gfidente: good point it is a tripleo-common at the moment | 14:51 |
d0ugal | I've got a few scenarios where I think we will have issues :) | 14:51 |
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d0ugal | dprince: I think that's probably all I've got for now :) | 14:54 |
dprince | d0ugal: thanks, let us know how it goes | 14:54 |
d0ugal | Swift is working fairly well as a POC for the API, but I am not sure how viable it is beyond that. | 14:54 |
dprince | #topic open discussion | 14:55 |
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d0ugal | One general question, should we formally deprecate Tuskar? | 14:55 |
dprince | d0ugal: vs, just remove it? | 14:55 |
d0ugal | dprince: or do that | 14:56 |
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d0ugal | vs leaving it and doing nothing which I think is the current state | 14:56 |
d0ugal | :) | 14:56 |
dprince | d0ugal: I'm fine removing it if it is no longer used | 14:56 |
d0ugal | I don't think it is. I'll ask on openstack-dev about that too | 14:56 |
dprince | cool | 14:56 |
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dprince | I think that is it for this week | 15:00 |
dprince | thanks everyone | 15:00 |
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d0ugal | Thanks! | 15:00 |
jdob | \o | 15:00 |
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derekh | ty | 15:00 |
dprince | #endmeeting tripleo | 15:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 15 15:00:29 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-12-15-14.03.html | 15:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-12-15-14.03.txt | 15:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-12-15-14.03.log.html | 15:00 |
akrivoka | bye \o | 15:00 |
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tmorin | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 15 15:01:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:01 |
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matrohon | hi all | 15:01 |
Sam-I-Am | hi | 15:01 |
tmorin | hi matrohon doude enikher timirnich | 15:01 |
tmorin | hi Sam-I-Am | 15:01 |
enikher | hey | 15:01 |
Sam-I-Am | another meeting before coffee | 15:02 |
Sam-I-Am | living on the edge here | 15:02 |
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matrohon | I've updated the agenda | 15:02 |
matrohon | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/BGPVPN | 15:03 |
matrohon | We are very proud to annouce that the first release of bgpvpn is out | 15:03 |
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matrohon | #link : https://pypi.python.org/pypi/networking-bgpvpn | 15:03 |
tmorin | tagged 3.0.0 | 15:04 |
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tmorin | we are very happy of all the work done together to achieve that ! :-D | 15:04 |
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matrohon | let's start by the documentation topic so that Sam-I-Am can drink its coffee | 15:05 |
Sam-I-Am | hahaha | 15:05 |
Sam-I-Am | pleeeeeeze | 15:05 |
tmorin | go ahead :) | 15:06 |
tmorin | #topic documentation | 15:06 |
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Sam-I-Am | thanks | 15:06 |
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Sam-I-Am | short story - bgpvpn needs docs so people can deploy it in real environments | 15:06 |
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tmorin | by the way: hi pcarver | 15:06 |
Sam-I-Am | its a fairly complex feature | 15:06 |
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janscheurich | Hi | 15:06 |
matrohon | hi janscheurich | 15:06 |
tmorin | pcarver: the topic above is related to your suggestions | 15:06 |
tmorin | hi janscheurich | 15:06 |
Sam-I-Am | my suggestion would be implementing a deployment scenario in the networking guide | 15:07 |
matrohon | Sam-I-Am, +1 | 15:07 |
pcarver | tmorin: sorry, on a voice conf call. will need to scroll back and read | 15:07 |
tmorin | (we've just announced that our release happened: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/networking-bgpvpn) | 15:07 |
tmorin | pcarver: nothing to scroll back yet, we are just starting | 15:07 |
Sam-I-Am | the most basic multi-node architecture on which someone can deploy bgpvpn, try it out, and determine how to deploy it in their specific environment | 15:08 |
tmorin | pcarver: Sam-I-Am suggestion is close to what you had proposed to do in Tokyo, right ? (if I recall correctly) | 15:08 |
Sam-I-Am | #link http://docs.openstack.org/networking-guide/deploy.html | 15:08 |
matrohon | Sam-I-Am, should we get inspired by guides for features such as VPNaas | 15:08 |
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Sam-I-Am | matrohon: vpnaas needs docs too | 15:08 |
Sam-I-Am | theres lots of things without good docs and thats what keeps people from using them | 15:09 |
Sam-I-Am | neutron has seen a significant adoption after the networking guide scenarios | 15:09 |
Sam-I-Am | in the case of vpnaas, the guide would have something like "add vpnaas to these basic scenarios" | 15:09 |
pcarver | tmorin: I was going to revise the API documentation, but I got distracted by an ongoing effort of the documentation team to change how API docs are done. I hadn't talked about the networking guide, but that's absolutely a good idea. BGPVPN networking scenarios should be included in the networking guide. | 15:09 |
Sam-I-Am | so people can add features to something they're already familiar with | 15:09 |
tmorin | sam-i-am: would you have kickstarting info on where to doc the work (which repo to contribute to) and which tooling to use (e.g. anything particular for figures ?) | 15:10 |
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Sam-I-Am | the repo is openstack-manuals and we use sphinx/rst | 15:10 |
pcarver | The issue with the API docs is that there's a migration effort going on that I don't completely understand. It seems to be about generating API docs from the code, but I don't quite understand the how. | 15:10 |
janscheurich | Would the example deployment be based on bagpipe reference driver? | 15:11 |
Sam-I-Am | i've done most of the diagrams in omnigraffle (because they look nice) but you can use whatever as long as its clear and i can convert them as time allows | 15:11 |
pcarver | The docs team is focussed on first migrating from their current format (which isn't RST, it's something else I forget) | 15:11 |
Sam-I-Am | janscheurich: yes, because OVS is in the ref arch | 15:11 |
Sam-I-Am | pcarver: docbook/xml is almost long gone | 15:11 |
tmorin | janscheurich: we have to cover the reference driver, but this does not exclude covering the other driver/backend options | 15:11 |
Sam-I-Am | the networking guide never used docbook | 15:11 |
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pcarver | Sam-I-Am: agreed. separate issue | 15:12 |
Sam-I-Am | tmorin: right now the networking guide only support refarch stuff because we've found third-party stuff doesnt receive much love. in the case of ODL, the ODL documentation should include how to implement bgpvpn with ODL. | 15:12 |
pcarver | I hadn't talked about updating the networking guide, but agree it should be done | 15:13 |
Sam-I-Am | pcarver: its the place operators go for docs | 15:13 |
pcarver | I was talking about updating the API reference, which is currently RST for BGPVPN, but WADL for most of OpenStack | 15:13 |
Sam-I-Am | devref is scary and usually oriented toward devstack | 15:13 |
Sam-I-Am | pcarver: ohhhh, the api docs | 15:13 |
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Sam-I-Am | pcarver: yeah... those are moving too, but at a slower pace | 15:13 |
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matrohon | Sam-I-Am, so we should add a new bullet for our advanced service in the deployment scenario chapter? | 15:14 |
pcarver | The docs team is currently migrating WADL to something called Swagger and there seems to be something about generating API docs from code, but I don't think they've quite got it entirely figured out yet | 15:14 |
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Sam-I-Am | matrohon: yeah, i think this belongs in advanced services and would include a deployment scenario that builds on one of the OVS scenarios if possible | 15:15 |
Sam-I-Am | pcarver: yeah thats it. i stay out of api docs, but they are pretty far out of date because of the complexity :/ | 15:15 |
Sam-I-Am | matrohon: i'm guessing site-to-site vpn requires a few more components in the architecture | 15:16 |
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matrohon | Sam-I-Am, let's start by population the "advanced srevices" section for bgpvpn | 15:16 |
pcarver | Sam-I-Am: It would be great if we could generate API docs direct from code, similar to how CLI help is generated from comments in code, but I don't think the instructions on how to do that have been written yet. | 15:16 |
Sam-I-Am | matrohon: is bgpvpn part of vpnaas? | 15:16 |
Sam-I-Am | pcarver: have you spoken to anne gentle? i think she's working on that | 15:17 |
matrohon | Sam-I-Am, for the moment it's a seperated effort | 15:17 |
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Sam-I-Am | matrohon: same concept though? | 15:17 |
Sam-I-Am | one uses ipsec the other uses AS numbers? | 15:18 |
pcarver | Sam-I-Am: I exchanged a few emails and she shared a few links, but I couldn't quite figure it all out and it looked to me like the links she shared were in a pretty early state. | 15:18 |
Sam-I-Am | pcarver: bleh :/ | 15:19 |
pcarver | She referenced a couple of tools that seemed to be very early development | 15:19 |
matrohon | Sam-I-Am, only the VPN word is similar, in the context of bgpvpn cloud admin and tenants can't create VPNs | 15:19 |
Sam-I-Am | well, someone needs to do the api doc updates | 15:19 |
Sam-I-Am | as much as it sucks | 15:19 |
pcarver | Sam-I-Am: I still have API doc updates for BGPVPN on my todo list. | 15:20 |
Sam-I-Am | matrohon: probably makes sense to write up some differences between the various vpn options | 15:20 |
pcarver | Sam-I-Am: I can just update RST if nothing else seems possible, but I was hoping that given a bit of time the OpenStack-wide strategy would become clearer. | 15:21 |
Sam-I-Am | matrohon: particularly catering to people who have used them in non-cloud scenarios (like ISPs) | 15:21 |
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Sam-I-Am | for example, i've used bgp vpns at an isp, but need to know how they relate to cloud | 15:21 |
matrohon | Sam-I-Am, makes sense | 15:22 |
matrohon | Any volunteer to wirite a bgpvpn section in the networking guide? | 15:23 |
Sam-I-Am | matrohon: can this be entire self-contained or does it require an existing bgp vpn? | 15:23 |
matrohon | it requires existing bgpvpn | 15:23 |
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Sam-I-Am | matrohon: hmm, makes it tough to test | 15:23 |
matrohon | the API is usefull to attach neutron components to an existing bgpvpn | 15:23 |
Sam-I-Am | hmm | 15:24 |
matrohon | Sam-I-Am, you need a bgp peer to talk to | 15:24 |
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Sam-I-Am | matrohon: ok, so looks difficult for us to test | 15:25 |
Sam-I-Am | which is important... | 15:25 |
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tmorin | Sam-I-Am: you can still do a bit of testing without a real router | 15:26 |
Sam-I-Am | matrohon: would it make sense to provide a way to simulate it enough to validate any scenario? | 15:26 |
matrohon | Sam-I-Am, the networking guide team is testing everything written in the guide? | 15:26 |
tmorin | Sam-I-Am: that's what we do for development | 15:26 |
tmorin | Sam-I-Am: we test VM-to-VM connectivity via a BGP VPN | 15:26 |
Sam-I-Am | matrohon: we try to... because it significantly reduces frustration for our audience | 15:26 |
matrohon | Sam-I-Am, great! | 15:27 |
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tmorin | Sam-I-Am: this not the most illustrative way to describe the target use-case though.... | 15:27 |
Sam-I-Am | well, we might need two things | 15:27 |
Sam-I-Am | one - "heres how you can get your brain around this in a lab" | 15:28 |
Sam-I-Am | two - "heres how you deploy this in real life" | 15:28 |
tmorin | Sam-I-Am: yes, that would make sense | 15:28 |
Sam-I-Am | networking is a pain point for most openstack operators | 15:28 |
Sam-I-Am | they want to do X, but the solutions for X are complex | 15:28 |
Sam-I-Am | sometimes they can't even find them (due to lack of docs) | 15:29 |
Sam-I-Am | most of the vpn stuff falls into this category | 15:29 |
Sam-I-Am | i'd like to fix that :) | 15:29 |
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Sam-I-Am | tmorin: do you have docs for this test case arch? | 15:29 |
tmorin | Sam-I-Am: you mean for "(one)" ? no... | 15:30 |
tmorin | Sam-I-Am: although this is rather short to expain | 15:30 |
janscheurich | If we want to go beyond intra-DC VM-VM communication, and there is no chance of having an external BGP speaker (DC Gw), could we have a back-to-back scenario between two DCs? | 15:31 |
Sam-I-Am | tmorin: yeah for (one) | 15:31 |
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Sam-I-Am | hmmm | 15:33 |
Sam-I-Am | i've simulated bgp vpns using agents on linux/bsd. would doing any of this help people understand the use cases? | 15:34 |
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matrohon | Sam-I-Am, this can also be done by bagpipe, and I think it helps understanding the use case | 15:35 |
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Sam-I-Am | matrohon: oh, thats cool | 15:35 |
Sam-I-Am | i definitely think understanding the use case is good for the audience | 15:35 |
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Sam-I-Am | networking is hard. :/ | 15:36 |
tmorin | Sam-I-Am: to have a working test scenario for people to play with, bagpipe can be used as a bgpvpn implementation, but openbsd bgpd's can also do this I thikn | 15:36 |
matrohon | Sam-I-Am, expecially when we try to explain VPNs | 15:36 |
Sam-I-Am | tmorin: yeah i've used openbsd's stuff | 15:36 |
tmorin | Sam-I-Am: I know openbsd bgpd does the bgp routing part (I tested it), but I haven't played with openbsd mpls stack | 15:36 |
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Sam-I-Am | tmorin: if nothing else, the scenario can do this - | 15:37 |
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tmorin | Sam-I-Am: it would be nice to document how to test net-bgpvpn with bagpipe on compute nodes, and openbsd bgp/mpls on another box emulating a router with a few bgp/mpls VRFs | 15:37 |
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Sam-I-Am | tell people "this example assumes your provider offers the following:" and then write the bgpvpn config to talk to that "something" | 15:37 |
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Sam-I-Am | tmorin: yeah that would be nice | 15:38 |
Sam-I-Am | any way to make this easier is helpful... and providing a way to configure it that actually works | 15:38 |
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tmorin | Sam-I-Am: in fact, that would rather be "this examples assumes you are a network operator supporting BGPVPNs and that openstack compute nodes peer with a BGP/MPLS router" | 15:39 |
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Sam-I-Am | tmorin: sure. and bagpipe handles this on the compute nodes? | 15:39 |
tmorin | Sam-I-Am:yes | 15:40 |
Sam-I-Am | ok, i think we're getting somewhere here | 15:40 |
tmorin | Sam-I-Am: my point is that it is very uncommon to have a DC/cloud operator allowed to exchange BGP VPN routes with its ISP | 15:40 |
Sam-I-Am | tmorin: makes sense | 15:40 |
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Sam-I-Am | so even if the config example only includes the openstack bits, the diagrams and traffic flow can contain a example ISP components | 15:41 |
tmorin | Sam-I-Am: yes | 15:41 |
Sam-I-Am | lets go with that | 15:41 |
Sam-I-Am | whatever is the most common use-case | 15:41 |
Sam-I-Am | or if there's more than one | 15:42 |
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matrohon | ok let's move on | 15:42 |
Sam-I-Am | tmorin: can you (or someone here) add a spec to docs-specs for this? | 15:42 |
Sam-I-Am | as an action item | 15:42 |
matrohon | #action : matrohon to create a spec in doc-specs to populate the networking-guide for bgpvpn use cases | 15:44 |
pcarver | tmorin: It may be uncommon, but it doesn't necessarily have to be. We have a whole service built around it and other providers could if they wanted to. | 15:44 |
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tmorin | pcarver: yes, I can guess, and we have scenarios as well, but this is not the typical thing to document to help people get a clear picture of what they can expect from their ISP | 15:45 |
pcarver | We have a partnership with at least 4-5 different cloud providers to offer our MPLS VPN WAN to their customers via an API driven interface. It's just not an OpenStack standard mechanism. | 15:45 |
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matrohon | topic : backport status? | 15:47 |
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tmorin | pcarver: yes, but my point is that the documentation should say clearly upfront that in most cases, Internet ISPs don't provide this option, in which case what the BGVPN service plugin provide is probably not relevant to the cloud operator | 15:47 |
astupnikov | excuse me guys, just read your discussion and have a suggestion about use cases. Maybe it will be a good option for ISP to provide computing resources to his existing BGPVPN customers? | 15:48 |
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pcarver | tmorin: sure, agreed. If someone isn't using an MPLS service provider directly (internal cloud) and isn't using a public cloud provider that offers MPLS as a service then BGPVPN project isn't relevant to them. | 15:48 |
matrohon | astupnikov, that's probably the main use case, right | 15:48 |
Sam-I-Am | tmorin: so who would be using these docs? the DC? ISP? seems like whomever deploys the compute nodes... but there's some interaction with openstack via the api. | 15:49 |
tmorin | astupnikov: yes, this is the most typical/simple use case, in this case the cloud operator is a BGPVPN operator as well | 15:49 |
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pcarver | Sam-I-Am: I see the big use case as internal cloud, someone who is building their own OpenStack based cloud and also has a pre-existing MPLS provider for their pre-cloud WAN connectivity. | 15:50 |
tmorin | Sam-I-Am: the most typical users are (a) the cloud operators inside an ISP doing BGPVPNs and (b) a cloud operator working with an BGPVPN operator (like pcarver's company or ours) | 15:50 |
Sam-I-Am | pcarver tmorin so i'm playing the "dont have a clue" angle here... i'm someone who want to implement openstack, but have this bgpvpn service i'd like to leverage. | 15:50 |
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tmorin | pcarver: agreed, internal cloud as well for an operator already having BGPVPNs (typical NFV use case) | 15:51 |
Sam-I-Am | i see that openstack supports bgpvpn... and need to figure out how to make it work with my environment. | 15:51 |
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pcarver | Sam-I-Am: If someone doesn't already have an MPLS based WAN (either service provider or customer of an MPLS provider) then they probably don't care about this project | 15:52 |
tmorin | Sam-I-Am: if you "want to leverage it", it means you probably know the technology well, and the implications about who works on the BGP/MPLS router side, and essentially care about the Openstack side | 15:52 |
tmorin | pcarver: +1 | 15:52 |
Sam-I-Am | pcarver: yeah, we'd assume they have one... and to tmorin's point... understand how it works | 15:52 |
Sam-I-Am | its just the openstack side | 15:52 |
Sam-I-Am | trying to convert openstack to conventional networking theory is difficult for many people | 15:52 |
Sam-I-Am | ovs, linuxbridge, iptables... its confusing for many | 15:53 |
Sam-I-Am | namespaces, oh my | 15:53 |
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tmorin | so explaining that requires going into details specific depending on the driver/backend | 15:54 |
tmorin | for the bagpipe driver, working with the openvswitch mech driver, a good description is | 15:55 |
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tmorin | ... the diagram at: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/networking-bgpvpn/bagpipe/index.html | 15:55 |
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Sam-I-Am | ok | 15:57 |
Sam-I-Am | i'll do a bit of reading too | 15:57 |
Sam-I-Am | try to work on a docs spec that appeals to the people who would want this feature | 15:57 |
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Sam-I-Am | sorry for consuming your meeting :/ | 15:57 |
matrohon | 3 min left | 15:58 |
Sam-I-Am | things without docs dont launch well :/ | 15:58 |
tmorin | Sam-I-Am: don't be, this is a useful discussion | 15:58 |
matrohon | 2 actually | 15:58 |
tmorin | #topic kilo backport | 15:58 |
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tmorin | work is ongoing on the kilo backport | 15:58 |
tmorin | wdeclercq backported router-association support | 15:58 |
tmorin | I'm working on bagpipe driver backport | 15:58 |
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tmorin | this one isn't merged yet | 15:58 |
tmorin | having it work will require a clean kilo branch for networking-bagpipe | 15:59 |
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matrohon | this should be the last commit before a potential release? | 15:59 |
tmorin | I'd say so | 15:59 |
tmorin | assuming everything works | 15:59 |
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matrohon | doude is currently working on juno backport | 15:59 |
tmorin | having a clean kilo branch for networking-bagpipe isn't trivial, because the branch had been named stable/kilo at the time, and each commit needs to go through folks in neutron-stable-maint | 16:00 |
matrohon | I think we should wait for the kilo release and then rebase changes on juno | 16:00 |
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matrohon | ok | 16:00 |
matrohon | it's time | 16:00 |
tmorin | mestery has reviewed all of them today, but it seems we need someone else's +2 | 16:00 |
tmorin | yes | 16:00 |
tmorin | thanks everyone ! | 16:00 |
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tmorin | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-12-15-15.01.html | 16:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-12-15-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
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Sam-I-Am | thanks for all the docs talk | 16:01 |
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adrian_otto | containers team meeting will begin in just a moment | 16:01 |
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tmorin | sam-i-am: thanks for yours ! | 16:02 |
adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:03 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 15 16:03:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2015-12-15_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:03 |
adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:03 |
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adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:03 |
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madhuri | o/ | 16:03 |
hongbin | o/ | 16:03 |
houming | o/ | 16:03 |
Kennan | o/ | 16:03 |
dane | o/ | 16:03 |
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juggler | Perry Rivera | 16:03 |
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eghobo | o/ | 16:04 |
tcammann | good evening | 16:04 |
adrian_otto | helo madhuri, hongbin, houming, Kennan, dane, rpothier, juggler, bradjones, vilobhmm11, eghobo, tcammann | 16:04 |
daneyon | o/ | 16:04 |
adrian_otto | I am speaking SMTP protocol apparently | 16:04 |
adrian_otto | hello!! | 16:04 |
juggler | good localtime adrian! | 16:04 |
adrian_otto | lol | 16:04 |
adrian_otto | ok, let's begin | 16:05 |
adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:05 |
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adrian_otto | 1) Changing our release type | 16:05 |
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adrian_otto | we currently use the release:independent release model | 16:06 |
adrian_otto | I plan to transition us to the release:cycle-with-intermediary model instead | 16:06 |
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adrian_otto | the key difference is that rather than just cutting releases whenever... | 16:06 |
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adrian_otto | we still do that, but the OpenStack release team also picks one of those releases to include it with the names releases | 16:07 |
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adrian_otto | so the one we release closest to the milestone events gets included with OpenStack | 16:07 |
adrian_otto | I plan to submit a change proposal to the projects.yaml file in the openstack/governance repository to indicate this change | 16:07 |
adrian_otto | any thoughts on this, or input I should consider prior to moving forward with this? | 16:08 |
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tcammann | lgtm | 16:08 |
adrian_otto | ok, If you think of anything of concern, let me know before Jan 21 | 16:09 |
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Kennan | adrian_otto: what's the impact to developers? | 16:09 |
adrian_otto | that's the drop dead date for reverting this for Mitaka if I move forward and we change our minds | 16:09 |
adrian_otto | Kennan: I am not aware of any impact. This is an administrative change. | 16:09 |
Kennan | ok | 16:10 |
adrian_otto | 2) December meetings | 16:10 |
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adrian_otto | this is the last team meeting I had scheduled for December | 16:10 |
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adrian_otto | I expect attendance to be rather sparse for the next two weeks | 16:11 |
daneyon | yay to the holiday break | 16:11 |
vilobhmm11 | adrian_otto : what advanatage this brings over the current model we follow ? Or is it a madatory change from for every project ? | 16:11 |
adrian_otto | vilobhmm11: this adjustment is optional, but it's a way to include Magnum in the OpenStack milestone releases more officially | 16:11 |
adrian_otto | and to maintain the stable branches in lock step with other projects | 16:11 |
vilobhmm11 | adrian_otto : ok | 16:11 |
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adrian_otto | so if we did hold more team meetings in December they would fall on Dec 22 and Dec 29 | 16:12 |
adrian_otto | I suggest we resume on Jan 5 | 16:12 |
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adrian_otto | what do you all think? | 16:13 |
daneyon | +1 on 1/5 | 16:13 |
hongbin | +1 | 16:13 |
Kennan | wish you guys good holiday | 16:13 |
vilobhmm11 | +1 | 16:13 |
bradjones | +1 | 16:13 |
Kennan | +1 | 16:13 |
juggler | +1 | 16:13 |
madhuri_ | +1 | 16:13 |
adrian_otto | #agreed our next team meeting will be 2016-01-05 at 1600 UTC | 16:13 |
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adrian_otto | any more announcements from team members? | 16:13 |
adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:14 |
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adrian_otto | (none) | 16:15 |
adrian_otto | #topic Container Networking Subteam Update (daneyon) | 16:15 |
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daneyon | here is the log from last week's meeting | 16:15 |
daneyon | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-12-10-18.01.html | 16:15 |
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daneyon | quite a bit of discussion related to the image building spec | 16:15 |
daneyon | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/fedora-atomic-image-build | 16:15 |
daneyon | if yolanda is available, i would like to talk with her after the meeting | 16:16 |
daneyon | we also had good discussion related to the continerize kube services spec | 16:16 |
daneyon | As an action, I talked with the kube communtiy to get a better understanding about reasons to containerize flannel and etcd | 16:17 |
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daneyon | My position is that we do not containerize etcd/flannel b/c of the 2 docker daemon requirement | 16:17 |
daneyon | I believe the complexity/operational overhead outweighs the benefits of containerizing these 2 services | 16:18 |
adrian_otto | you don't actually need 2 deamons | 16:18 |
daneyon | ? | 16:18 |
adrian_otto | you can expose the docker sock file | 16:18 |
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daneyon | has anyone tested that yet? | 16:19 |
adrian_otto | so you allow the utility containers access to thedocker daemon on the host that way | 16:19 |
adrian_otto | yes, we do that. It works. | 16:19 |
hongbin | Interesting | 16:19 |
eghobo | adrian_otto: no you need 2 daemons, somebody need to run flannel container | 16:19 |
adrian_otto | you just need to set your expectations that when you do that, your container is not a security isolation facility at all | 16:19 |
Kennan | adrian_otto: do you mean share host mnt namespace ? or something else ? | 16:19 |
adrian_otto | but you are using the container image as a mechanism for more convenient maintenance and customization of that utility environment | 16:20 |
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adrian_otto | use -v to share the socket file. | 16:20 |
adrian_otto | it's actually evasively simple. | 16:21 |
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Kennan | seems kolla have some experience like libvirt related, share the host (if I remember clearly) | 16:21 |
Kennan | maybe can find some helpful info from that | 16:21 |
daneyon | adrian_otto I am open to containerizing etcd/flannel if it does not overcomplicate things | 16:21 |
daneyon | Seems like your idea is worth exploring | 16:21 |
adrian_otto | sdake offered to assist with expertise from his team to help with this, if desired | 16:22 |
adrian_otto | I don't want a setup that's overly complex either | 16:22 |
daneyon | adrian_otto could you add feedback to my message on the ML or on the review? | 16:23 |
adrian_otto | but it's worth some exploration to see if we can strike a balance there, as most who are adopting Magnum are struggling with bay node image customization | 16:23 |
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suro-patz | adrian_otto: could you elaborate the 'the struggle with bay node image customization' | 16:24 |
adrian_otto | they don't know how to build the images | 16:24 |
daneyon | Until we can get these services contaienr ized and the DIB images implemented, we need to update the Atomic image | 16:24 |
daneyon | A. To address a vxlan bug in the current code | 16:24 |
adrian_otto | it's not clear who they belong to | 16:24 |
daneyon | B. If we go to F21, the image is ~ 25% smaller. | 16:25 |
adrian_otto | those cloud operators are not familiar with the tools we use | 16:25 |
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adrian_otto | so if we ould use docker images to allow changing those components, it may reduce the friction there. | 16:25 |
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Kennan | adrian_otto: docker images seems still need some customization(heat need do that) right? | 16:26 |
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adrian_otto | there has also been repeated requests for bay nodes based on an ubuntu or debian derivative | 16:27 |
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adrian_otto | Kennan: yes | 16:27 |
daneyon | does anyone have a better understanding why a cloud operator wants to create an image instead of using our atomic-5 image? | 16:27 |
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adrian_otto | daenyon: one reason is they want to use Magnum on bare metal nodes | 16:28 |
Kennan | seems Tango is working on build new image, he is working on docs if process is OK | 16:28 |
adrian_otto | which requires fooling with the images depending on how they implement bare metal servers (with ironic or otherwise) | 16:28 |
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hongbin | Yes, also they might want to ship a bay with customization | 16:29 |
daneyon | adrian_otto I thought we were waiting for the Iromic team to add neutron ports so we can start supporting bare metal nodes. | 16:29 |
adrian_otto | others have an apparently religious opposition to any component that's a RedHat distribution of Linux (rational or not, these preferences are strong) | 16:29 |
daneyon | I am concerned adding Ubuntu, Debian to the mix | 16:29 |
adrian_otto | daneyon: we are, but in the mean time, downstream consumers want to make that work | 16:30 |
Kennan | adrian_otto: build images maybe OK if our guide or tools is applicable and easy, I think, like some cloud, adminitstraotr build images themselves | 16:30 |
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adrian_otto | sometimes cloud operators want to bake in things like pre-configured telemetry and fault monitoring | 16:31 |
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daneyon | ok, that makes sense. | 16:31 |
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adrian_otto | alright let's wrap the network subteam update | 16:32 |
adrian_otto | any more to add, daneyon? | 16:32 |
adrian_otto | #topic Magnum UI Subteam Update (bradjones) | 16:33 |
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bradjones | hey | 16:33 |
bradjones | quite a few reviews out that could do with a look over | 16:33 |
daneyon | nope | 16:33 |
bradjones | I still have a couple of older ones to look at this evening | 16:33 |
bradjones | there is one discussion | 16:33 |
bradjones | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256358/ | 16:34 |
bradjones | about moving the dashboard to a panel group under the project dashboard in horizon | 16:34 |
bradjones | it makes no functional difference will just be a different place for users to go to | 16:35 |
bradjones | so if anyone has any strong objection to that then leave a comment on that review | 16:35 |
adrian_otto | thanks Brad | 16:35 |
adrian_otto | any more remarks on Magnum UI? | 16:35 |
bradjones | not from me | 16:35 |
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adrian_otto | Essential Blueprint Updates | 16:36 |
adrian_otto | ok, we have 4 to cover | 16:36 |
adrian_otto | I am drawing these from here: | 16:36 |
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adrian_otto | #link tps://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/mitaka Mitaka Magnum Blueprints | 16:36 |
adrian_otto | corrections | 16:36 |
adrian_otto | #undo | 16:36 |
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adrian_otto | irc://chat.freenode.net:6667/#link https://blueprints.http://launchpad.net/magnum/mitaka Mitaka Magnum Blueprints | 16:37 |
adrian_otto | sigh | 16:37 |
adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.http://launchpad.net/magnum/mitaka Mitaka Magnum Blueprints | 16:37 |
adrian_otto | ok, here we go. | 16:37 |
juggler | thanks adrian! | 16:37 |
adrian_otto | #Link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-tempest (dimtruck) | 16:37 |
adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-tempest (dimtruck) | 16:37 |
adrian_otto | dimtruck: you here? | 16:38 |
dimtruck | hi :). i am | 16:38 |
adrian_otto | any update on this? | 16:38 |
dimtruck | so the update is that the plugin patch is passing | 16:38 |
adrian_otto | great! | 16:39 |
dimtruck | and thanks to hongbin i have a much better implementation. I'm changing the description of the patch and it'll be ready to review/merge | 16:39 |
dimtruck | (taking it out of WIP) | 16:39 |
adrian_otto | thanks for your continued work on this. | 16:39 |
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dimtruck | there are also 25 tests in patch review for magnum bay CRUDs | 16:39 |
dimtruck | and i also have CA CRUDs ready to go once those are merged :) | 16:39 |
dimtruck | once jenkins is happy :) | 16:40 |
adrian_otto | Thanks dimtruck. Next we have a celebration of an implemented feature: | 16:40 |
adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/swarm-functional-testing (eliqiao) | 16:40 |
adrian_otto | complete! | 16:40 |
* adrian_otto applause | 16:40 | |
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adrian_otto | Next we have a started one: | 16:40 |
adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/resource-quota (vilobhmm11) | 16:41 |
adrian_otto | vilobhmm11: any update on this? | 16:41 |
vilobhmm11 | adrain_otto : proposed design on ML http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/082266.html | 16:41 |
vilobhmm11 | would request everyone to have a look and let me know if that sounds fair | 16:41 |
vilobhmm11 | initially plan is to impose quota on bay creation | 16:42 |
vilobhmm11 | by restriting user of a project with certain number of bays to create | 16:42 |
vilobhmm11 | and then proceed with other resources | 16:42 |
adrian_otto | thanks vilobhmm11 | 16:42 |
adrian_otto | I am marking Design as "Discussion" status | 16:43 |
vilobhmm11 | adrian_otto : thats it from my side…will continue the discusssion on ML | 16:43 |
vilobhmm11 | adrian_otto : sure thanks! | 16:43 |
adrian_otto | done | 16:43 |
adrian_otto | and last we have: | 16:43 |
adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/split-gate-functional-dsvm-magnum (eliqiao) | 16:43 |
adrian_otto | eliqiao: any update? | 16:43 |
adrian_otto | I know we have been struggling with OOM errors | 16:44 |
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hongbin | I can give an update for the memory issue | 16:44 |
adrian_otto | hongbin, one sec | 16:44 |
adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:45 |
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adrian_otto | Hongbin raise gate error http://logs.openstack.org/87/253987/1/check/gate-functional-dsvm-magnum-k8s/9eb5206/logs/screen-n-cpu.txt libvirtError: internal error: process exited while connecting to monitor: Cannot set up guest memory 'pc.ram': Cannot allocate memory | 16:45 |
adrian_otto | ok, hongbin, proceed! | 16:45 |
hongbin | I have talked to the infra team | 16:45 |
hongbin | They will investigate why some nodes has less memory than others | 16:45 |
tcammann | I added a item to the agenda, probably need a refresh :) | 16:46 |
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adrian_otto | tcammann: , you are welcome to raise it after the next | 16:46 |
hongbin | At the same time, we could investigate how to reduce memory consuption for our gate job | 16:46 |
adrian_otto | hongbin: thanks for driving that one | 16:46 |
adrian_otto | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/magnum/+bug/1521237 Gate occasionally failed with nova libvirt error | 16:46 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1521237 in Magnum "Gate occasionally failed with nova libvirt error" [Critical,New] | 16:46 |
hongbin | That is it from my side | 16:47 |
adrian_otto | hongbin reported this one, but the work is unassigned | 16:47 |
hongbin | I can assign it myself | 16:47 |
adrian_otto | hongbin: did you want to cover this one? | 16:47 |
adrian_otto | this is still the same topic | 16:48 |
adrian_otto | ok, nm. Thanks! | 16:48 |
adrian_otto | wanghua: you here? | 16:48 |
adrian_otto | I have a note from you on the agenda: | 16:48 |
adrian_otto | wanghua raise "How to improve docker registry in magnum?" | 16:48 |
adrian_otto | if not, tcammann it's all yours then | 16:49 |
hongbin | I can raise this issue on behalf | 16:49 |
adrian_otto | ok hongbin | 16:49 |
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hongbin | Basically, right now docker registry listen to localhost | 16:49 |
tcammann | Midcycle?! | 16:49 |
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hongbin | It is easy to pull docker images from private registry | 16:50 |
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adrian_otto | yes, Jan-Feb is the timeframe for that | 16:50 |
hongbin | But it is hard to push | 16:50 |
hongbin | Because users need to ssh into the node and do the push, which is inconvience | 16:50 |
adrian_otto | I'm seeking any sponsors who would like to host our midcycle | 16:50 |
adrian_otto | hongbin: acknowledged | 16:51 |
tcammann | I could probably get HP to host it in Sunnyvale, or Bristol (UK) | 16:51 |
adrian_otto | hongbin: I view this as a bug in Swarm | 16:51 |
tcammann | s/HP/HPE/ | 16:51 |
adrian_otto | but the workaround is you do a push to the swarm endpoint, followed by a pull | 16:51 |
adrian_otto | and then all nodes get it from the registry | 16:52 |
adrian_otto | but that's icky. it should just work when you do a push | 16:52 |
hongbin | Yes it is | 16:52 |
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adrian_otto | tcammann: thanks for that. | 16:53 |
adrian_otto | team, how many contributors do we have in Europe that would attend in Bristol? | 16:53 |
adrian_otto | or who would be able to approve travel to attend? | 16:53 |
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adrian_otto | hongbin: we have the same issue in k8s and swarm, right? | 16:54 |
adrian_otto | tcammann: if you would check on the Sunnyvale option, we can expect strong attendance there. | 16:54 |
hongbin | adrian_otto: Yes, as long as the registry listen to localhost, we have the issue | 16:54 |
Kennan | hongbin: for private registry, not quite get, you use docker pull --private-url, and docker push not work for that ? | 16:54 |
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rpothier | I have a comment on heat template refactor | 16:55 |
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hongbin | Kennan: because the --private-url is localhost | 16:56 |
adrian_otto | rpothier: we are in open discussion, so you may blurt out anything you'd like | 16:56 |
Kennan | why we bind to localhost, is that bp design like that? | 16:56 |
Kennan | seems we need expose url can be accessible | 16:56 |
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rpothier | there is a spec in heat to use conditionals, as an alternative to Jinja | 16:57 |
adrian_otto | Kennan: we took that as a best practice | 16:57 |
hongbin | Kennan: It listen to localhost to avoid TLS complexity | 16:57 |
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adrian_otto | because the registry is back ended on swift | 16:57 |
adrian_otto | so might as well run it on all bay nodes | 16:57 |
adrian_otto | and then you don't need to worry about public exposure of the private registry host | 16:57 |
Kennan | I remember setup private registry before, seems OK.(for TLS , not quite dig it) | 16:57 |
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adrian_otto | it is time to wrap up our meeting now, with just a minute remaining | 16:58 |
adrian_otto | any final remarks? | 16:58 |
hongbin | adrian_otto: I recalled you want to mid-cycle right after Ironic mid-cycle? | 16:58 |
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cooldharma06 | Hi all.. I am new to this and I like to contribute to Magnum.. Any suggestions.. | 16:59 |
adrian_otto | hongbin: I will cover midcycle planning on our ML | 16:59 |
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adrian_otto | #action adrain_otto to plan midcycle by ML | 16:59 |
adrian_otto | #undo | 16:59 |
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adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to plan midcycle by ML | 17:00 |
adrian_otto | our next team meeting will be 2016-01-05 at 160 UTC. See you all then. Happy holidays! | 17:00 |
adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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cooldharma06 | Ok Kennan thanks | 17:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 15 17:00:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-12-15-16.03.html | 17:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-12-15-16.03.txt | 17:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-12-15-16.03.log.html | 17:00 |
sergmelikyan | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 15 17:00:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sergmelikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
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sergmelikyan | Hi folks :) | 17:00 |
sergmelikyan | o/ | 17:00 |
freerunner | Hi ;) | 17:00 |
ativelkov | o/ | 17:00 |
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slagun | o/ | 17:03 |
katyafervent | hi | 17:03 |
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sergmelikyan | Todays agenda is pretty empty: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda | 17:03 |
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kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:05 |
kzaitsev_mb | sry for being late, seems like I'm still in time for the rollcall | 17:05 |
sergmelikyan | yep :) | 17:05 |
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sergmelikyan | tho with you here let's move to the action items review :) | 17:06 |
kzaitsev_mb | yeah I think I had one there.. ) | 17:06 |
sergmelikyan | #topics Action Items Review | 17:06 |
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sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: you promised to outline pros and cons of abandoning milestones & bps | 17:07 |
kzaitsev_mb | I was to write a letter starting a discussion about abandoning milestones, yep | 17:07 |
kzaitsev_mb | haven't done that | 17:07 |
kzaitsev_mb | let's keep the action item then please | 17:07 |
kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev_mb write a letter about abandoning milestones and/or blueprints | 17:08 |
katyafervent | will this include discussion about murano-apps releasing? or it is better to put this to a separate topic? | 17:08 |
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kzaitsev_mb | katyafervent: I don't think so. seems separate to me | 17:08 |
katyafervent | ok, agreed | 17:09 |
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kzaitsev_mb | to start a meaningful discussion on murano-apps release model change we should get to puppet and heat-template folks and other app-like repositories and take a look at how they manage their repos | 17:09 |
kzaitsev_mb | and how they release that | 17:09 |
sergmelikyan | #topic Open Discussion | 17:09 |
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kzaitsev_mb | And I don't think I'll find time till next meeting to do that. | 17:10 |
kzaitsev_mb | But I'll surely bring the topic as soon as I'll have a suggestion ) | 17:10 |
sergmelikyan | I guess we should start documenting current release model before trying to change that | 17:10 |
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ativelkov | I have an item for the open part | 17:10 |
ativelkov | right now we have the glare plugin placed in murano's contrib folder | 17:11 |
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ativelkov | And it has its own setuptools setup.py / setup.cfg pair | 17:11 |
ativelkov | Which is - a bit- weird, since the top level directory has its own setup.py/cfg | 17:12 |
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sergmelikyan | and same goes for not only glance plugins but also for murano plugins as well by the way | 17:12 |
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ativelkov | sergmelikyan: right | 17:12 |
kzaitsev_mb | ativelkov: are there any examples/best practices on how to do that? | 17:12 |
kzaitsev_mb | like maybe someone does anything similar | 17:12 |
ativelkov | kzaitsev_mb: I've had a conversation recently | 17:13 |
ativelkov | with iyozhikov | 17:13 |
kzaitsev_mb | I remember searchlight guys said, that they basically do the same, for their plugins | 17:13 |
ativelkov | He suggested to either split them into separate git repos (if they are indeed independent projects with their own release cycles etc), or to unite their setup.cfg's | 17:13 |
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kzaitsev_mb | When we discussed possible murano plugin for searchlight he suggested it would live in the searchlight repo for now | 17:14 |
ativelkov | so, have a single setup.cfg which defines all the different entry points, including the main murano's cripts (api, engine etc) and the plugins in appropriate namespaces | 17:14 |
sergmelikyan | ativelkov: but that would mean to install murano on machine where glance is installed | 17:14 |
kzaitsev_mb | ativelkov: you didn't answer the question though — are we the first to encounter this kind of situation? | 17:15 |
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sergmelikyan | and why this is the issue | 17:15 |
ativelkov | sergmelikyan: for glance plugin - yes | 17:15 |
ativelkov | (but eventually it will get the dependency on murano anyways) | 17:15 |
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ativelkov | kzaitsev_mb: I don't know, we need to investigate other projects which use stevedore-based plugins | 17:16 |
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ativelkov | I believe that this may make sense at least for the murano plugins (class and package type extensions) | 17:17 |
kzaitsev_mb | searchlight does use stevedore, but i don't see setup.cfg of individual plugins | 17:17 |
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ativelkov | since they have to be deployed in the same env with murano anyway | 17:17 |
kzaitsev_mb | given two options you suggested — I'd merge the setup.cfgs | 17:18 |
ativelkov | kzaitsev_mb: they have all their plugins in their main setup.cfg | 17:18 |
ativelkov | https://github.com/openstack/searchlight/blob/master/setup.cfg#L28-L33 | 17:18 |
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kzaitsev_mb | oh, right, they do | 17:18 |
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ativelkov | sergmelikyan: according to iyozhikov the reason for the issue is somewhere in the way they do packaging | 17:19 |
sergmelikyan | ativelkov: this is in the case when plugins are essentially are part of the solutions | 17:19 |
ativelkov | sergmelikyan: right, and that's true for all our plugins except glance's artifact type | 17:19 |
sergmelikyan | but what about contrib plugins which are not supposed to be a part of the solution out of the box? | 17:19 |
kzaitsev_mb | as release liaison for mitaka I kind of don't like the idea of managing 1 more repo =) so don't count on me supporting that idea =) | 17:20 |
sergmelikyan | ativelkov: I would say vice versa | 17:20 |
ativelkov | sergmelikyan: nope. Murano type and package type plugins are part of murano | 17:20 |
sergmelikyan | ativelkov: not always, there are not essential part | 17:20 |
ativelkov | glance artifact type is part of glance. But is placed in murano | 17:20 |
ativelkov | neither are searchlite index backends - they are optional | 17:21 |
sergmelikyan | ativelkov: but when it will get dependency to the murano... | 17:21 |
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ativelkov | so yeah, I don't have any solution for now | 17:21 |
ativelkov | just wanted some input from you guys | 17:21 |
kzaitsev_mb | I believe we should take a look at other projects that use stevedore =) there must be plenty | 17:22 |
sergmelikyan | I don't have a strong opinion right now... I don't like neither option | 17:22 |
kzaitsev_mb | we've seen searchlight, probably there would be others | 17:22 |
kzaitsev_mb | and probably ask them why they chose what they chose | 17:23 |
kzaitsev_mb | maybe there would be something we don't see right away | 17:23 |
sergmelikyan | maybe... and there are also few things to consider | 17:23 |
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sergmelikyan | number of plugin kinds that we have | 17:24 |
sergmelikyan | and how they are tied to the Murano itself | 17:24 |
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sergmelikyan | because option of joining setup.cfg implies essentially making this plugin part of Murano | 17:25 |
ativelkov | well, we may also ask the glance team about the idea of storing all the artifact types code in glance. For core and big-tent projects, of course | 17:26 |
kzaitsev_mb | you mean murano plugins? | 17:26 |
kzaitsev_mb | not the glare-murano plugin, but murano plugins. I believe we don't have any official ones right now. Are we planning to do that? | 17:27 |
ativelkov | kzaitsev_mb: we do | 17:27 |
ativelkov | at some point we want to make the core library a plugin | 17:27 |
kzaitsev_mb | ativelkov: where is it then? | 17:28 |
ativelkov | which will include the pythonic part | 17:28 |
kzaitsev_mb | oh right | 17:28 |
kzaitsev_mb | cloudify and heat are now pluggable | 17:28 |
kzaitsev_mb | duh | 17:28 |
ativelkov | however, that's a different story, since we want to be able to release it independently from murano | 17:28 |
kzaitsev_mb | having a separate repo won | 17:28 |
sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: ? | 17:29 |
kzaitsev_mb | won't help though, but would rather harm IMO | 17:29 |
ativelkov | while having it in the same setup.cfg does not allow to do this independent releases | 17:29 |
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kzaitsev_mb | since we have a lot of plugins | 17:29 |
ativelkov | kzaitsev_mb: does heat use stevedore? The last time I checked, they were just loading the python modules from files on disk, without registering them in python env | 17:29 |
kzaitsev_mb | ativelkov: https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/requirements.txt#L58 | 17:30 |
kzaitsev_mb | don't know why they use it or what for, but they do | 17:30 |
kzaitsev_mb | obviously I'm not a heat expert ) | 17:31 |
ativelkov | https://github.com/openstack/heat/tree/master/contrib/heat_docker | 17:31 |
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ativelkov | here they have an independent setup.cfg | 17:31 |
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sergmelikyan | yep | 17:32 |
ativelkov | (although this does not look like a stevedore plugin, since it does not have entry-points in its cfg) | 17:32 |
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ativelkov | Well, what about sending a question to the ML asking for stevedore best practices here? | 17:33 |
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sergmelikyan | ativelkov: we need to solidify our use-cases and so on... then I guess we will find solution | 17:34 |
Nikolay_St | ativelkov: +1 | 17:34 |
sergmelikyan | ativelkov: can you gather this in some etherpad/e-mail first? | 17:34 |
ativelkov | ok, will do | 17:34 |
ativelkov | #action ativelkov to summarize the plugin usage questions in etherpad | 17:34 |
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ativelkov | Anything else? | 17:37 |
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sergmelikyan | Looks like no :) | 17:57 |
sergmelikyan | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 15 17:57:57 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:57 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-12-15-17.00.html | 17:58 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-12-15-17.00.txt | 17:58 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-12-15-17.00.log.html | 17:58 |
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gibi | #startmeeting nova notification | 20:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 15 20:00:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gibi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_notification' | 20:00 |
gibi | hello everyone! :) | 20:00 |
cdent | o/ | 20:00 |
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gibi | let's wait a minute or two for the others | 20:01 |
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rlrossit | gibi: made it! | 20:04 |
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rlrossit | (my bad) | 20:04 |
gibi | no problem | 20:04 |
gibi | I think we can start now | 20:04 |
gibi | #topic open reviews | 20:04 |
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gibi | so the short status is that the two basic infra patches are ready | 20:05 |
gibi | and I feel that we are close with the service-status-notification as well | 20:05 |
rlrossit | the first service one has my +1 now too | 20:05 |
gibi | rlrossit: thanks for the reviews! | 20:05 |
rlrossit | I just have the json samples one left | 20:05 |
rlrossit | no prob! | 20:05 |
rlrossit | should we somehow be broadcasting these changes to the cores to get them to start looking at them? | 20:06 |
gibi | I talked to john | 20:06 |
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gibi | bit it doesn't have too much effect | 20:06 |
gibi | I will approach bauzas tomorrow | 20:07 |
rlrossit | sounds good | 20:07 |
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bauzas | mmm? | 20:07 |
rlrossit | you should probably add something to the nova meeting agenda too | 20:07 |
gibi | #action gibi to add a nova meeting topic to advertise the ready reviews | 20:07 |
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gibi | bauzas: you where interested once in the versioned notification work so I would like to ask you some review cycles as we have some patches ready and reviewed by the subteam | 20:08 |
rlrossit | "the subteam" == rlrossit :) | 20:09 |
gibi | yes :) | 20:09 |
gibi | but still :) | 20:09 |
bauzas | gibi: sure | 20:09 |
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* cdent is trying to participate but slow to come up to speed | 20:10 | |
gibi | bauzas: thanks, the chain starts here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247024/18 | 20:10 |
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gibi | cdent: no problem, I think as soon as we have the basic things in place it will be easier to participat and split the work | 20:11 |
rlrossit | cdent: If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe :) | 20:11 |
cdent | :) | 20:11 |
* gibi has some pie in the fridge... | 20:11 | |
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gibi | the next step is to add a devref to the chain describing how to add / transform notifications to the new format | 20:13 |
gibi | as we discussed last week | 20:13 |
gibi | I have some backlog so I might be able to publish a draft this week | 20:14 |
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gibi | btw I have to respin the whole chain due to a gate bug fixed in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258001/ | 20:15 |
rlrossit | nooooooooo | 20:15 |
rlrossit | meh, free +1's I guess ;) | 20:15 |
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rlrossit | also thanks, I was wondering why my py27 failed on the patch I just put up... | 20:16 |
gibi | I see you hit the same bug today with your o.vo cleanup in nova :) | 20:16 |
rlrossit | ^ yup | 20:16 |
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gibi | logstash is awsome :) | 20:16 |
gibi | awesome | 20:16 |
gibi | do we have anything else about the reviews? | 20:17 |
rlrossit | nope | 20:17 |
gibi | then I have an extra topic for today :) | 20:17 |
gibi | #topic meeting during vacation period | 20:17 |
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cdent | The precendent I've witnessed so far is skip the next two | 20:18 |
gibi | from end of this week I go for some vacation | 20:19 |
rlrossit | I am out for the rest of the year starting Thursday afternoon (US time) | 20:19 |
rlrossit | I've got loads of vacation to use up still :) | 20:19 |
gibi | I guess then it is pointless to push for a meeting in the next two weeks | 20:20 |
rlrossit | agreed | 20:20 |
rlrossit | I'm going to try to have an opinion on everything open before I leave | 20:20 |
gibi | cdent: is it OK to you to skip the next two as well? | 20:20 |
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cdent | yes | 20:20 |
gibi | rlrossit: and I will try to close all the issues before I leave :) | 20:21 |
rlrossit | I'm inevitably going to get bored at my parents' so I may check on patches over the vacation if something new pops up | 20:21 |
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rlrossit | (which also eases the floodgates of work starting January 4) | 20:21 |
* cdent won't be on proper vacation so will try to take advantage of the slow down | 20:21 | |
gibi | #agreed next two notification subteam meeting will be skipped due to vacation next meeting will be held on 5th of January | 20:21 |
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gibi | rlrossit: similar thing might happen with me as well during vacation days | 20:22 |
gibi | I think we can move to our last topic today | 20:23 |
gibi | #topic open discussion | 20:23 |
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gibi | I have nothing extra. Do you have anything to share? | 20:24 |
rlrossit | I'm done | 20:24 |
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gibi | then I would like to thank you all of your support this year! Let's go and get some rest. | 20:26 |
cdent | \o/ | 20:26 |
rlrossit | woo! | 20:27 |
gibi | #endmeeting | 20:27 |
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*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:27 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 15 20:27:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:27 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_notification/2015/nova_notification.2015-12-15-20.00.html | 20:27 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_notification/2015/nova_notification.2015-12-15-20.00.txt | 20:27 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_notification/2015/nova_notification.2015-12-15-20.00.log.html | 20:27 |
gibi | :) | 20:27 |
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