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| d0ugal | o/ | 14:00 |
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| dprince | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 22 14:01:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dprince. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:01 |
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| derekh | hi | 14:01 |
| marios | o/ | 14:01 |
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| shardy | o/ | 14:01 |
| shadower | hey | 14:01 |
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| dprince | hi everyone | 14:01 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 14:01 |
| florianf | o/ | 14:01 |
| d0ugal | Hello! | 14:02 |
| dprince | #topic agenda | 14:02 |
| dprince | * bugs | 14:02 |
| dprince | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:02 |
| dprince | * CI | 14:02 |
| dprince | * Specs | 14:02 |
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| dprince | * one off agenda items | 14:02 |
| dprince | * open discussion | 14:02 |
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| dprince | There are no one-off agenda items this week. So anything extra we can just do in open discussion I guess | 14:03 |
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| d0ugal | shadower: Didn't you have the validations on the agenda? | 14:03 |
| d0ugal | validations API* | 14:04 |
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| shardy | dprince: I wanted to get feedback re the removal of tripleoclient and tripleo-common stable/liberty branches | 14:04 |
| shardy | ref my ML thread | 14:04 |
| shardy | (we can cover it in open discussion) | 14:04 |
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| shadower | d0ugal: yeah but that belongs under "Specs" I think | 14:04 |
| dprince | shardy: yep, lets just do it there | 14:04 |
| dprince | shardy: thanks for mentioning | 14:04 |
| d0ugal | shadower: Ah, makes sense. | 14:04 |
| dprince | okay, lets get started | 14:04 |
| dprince | #topic bugs | 14:04 |
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| dprince | one puppet bug worth mentioning is | 14:05 |
| dprince | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/puppet-keystone/+bug/1528308 | 14:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1528308 in puppet-keystone "Keystone_endpoint warning everywhere by default" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Emilien Macchi (emilienm) | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | we're going to land the fix today | 14:05 |
| dprince | This is something getting fixed in puppet which may momentarily break us (while all the patches land) | 14:05 |
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| EmilienM | if we land all patches together, we will break CI ~20 min | 14:06 |
| dprince | EmilienM: would like to check and see if there is anything we could do to make this more upgrade friendly. I guess is is really just a dependency thing between the puppet modules though | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | yeah, it's very rare | 14:07 |
| EmilienM | we can do a retrospective after we fix the bug | 14:07 |
| EmilienM | and try to fix a sane solution | 14:07 |
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| dprince | any other bugs to mention this week? | 14:08 |
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| dprince | okay, moving on | 14:10 |
| dprince | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:10 |
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| dprince | shardy: any stablish updates this week | 14:12 |
| marios | no real update, but i'm trying to cherry pick as many reviews as i can to stable/liberty so we can cut a release there. grateful for the reviews so far | 14:12 |
| dprince | marios: ah, cool | 14:12 |
| dprince | marios: thanks for the update | 14:12 |
| shardy | dprince: Nothing to update, all seems to be going OK with stable CI and folks are starting to review more, so thanks! :) | 14:13 |
| marios | dprince: np (to clarify, for tripleo heat templates specifically) | 14:13 |
| shardy | Also, my patch for stable dashboard for gerrit-dash-creator landed, I find it useful so perhaps others may too: | 14:13 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256379/ | 14:13 |
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| shardy | it can probably be improved, e.g if anyone can figure out how to exclude patches not passing CI | 14:14 |
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| dprince | shardy: nice, we should like the dashboard into our TripleO wiki's where appropriate too perhaps | 14:15 |
| shardy | dprince: Yeah, we could - I like having it a separate dashboard, because stable reviews require a different approach than normal patches to master | 14:16 |
| dprince | shardy: yes, agree | 14:16 |
| shardy | I also posted https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260144/ which shows how to build a stable/liberty overcloud on a master undercloud | 14:16 |
| shardy | that's overlapping with my backwards compat topic tho ;) | 14:17 |
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| shardy | tl;dr - it works :) | 14:17 |
| dprince | #topic CI | 14:18 |
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| dprince | one infrastructure thing to mention here is derekh resolved an issue on one of the compute hosts in our cloud | 14:18 |
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| derekh | rh1 back to normal, I rebooted comput nodes, rebuilts Test envs and a couple of other things last week some time, | 14:19 |
| dprince | so we get more reliable nodepool instances again | 14:19 |
| derekh | yup, ci instances not failing any more | 14:19 |
| dprince | derekh: nice, thanks for the updates | 14:19 |
| shardy | nice | 14:19 |
| derekh | jobs seems stable enough, | 14:19 |
| derekh | I was on PTO yesterday, was there an outage? | 14:19 |
| shardy | I had a question re the stable/liberty overcloud on a master undercloud and CI | 14:19 |
| derekh | looks like there might have been | 14:20 |
| shardy | if we used that approach as a basis for an upgrade job, would it make sense to have a new "upgrades-liberty-master" job, or wire it in, e.g to the exising HA job? | 14:20 |
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| shardy | I'm wary of making the existing jobs take a lot longer, but also another job has significant overlap | 14:20 |
| derekh | shardy: I thought the plan was to use the stable job, then do an upgrade at the end | 14:21 |
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| derekh | shardy: ya it will make things longer, suppse we could try it and see how long it gets | 14:21 |
| shardy | derekh: ack, we can do that, but that doesn't provide coverage of the requirment for a backwards compatible undercloud | 14:21 |
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| shardy | unless we update the undercloud as part of the job I guess | 14:22 |
| dprince | shardy: yeah, lets have a different job for the backwards compat undercloud case | 14:22 |
| shardy | my point was, for upgrades, we always expect folks to upgrade the undercloud first | 14:22 |
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| derekh | shardy: dprince were probably close to the point where extra jobs are going to add to zuul queues at peak times every day | 14:22 |
| shardy | so, if we test master-undercloud deploying a liberty overcloud, then the next step could be doing the upgrade of the overcloud | 14:23 |
| derekh | shardy: dprince thats a hunch but I can take a look and see for sure, we may be able to squeeze one more in | 14:23 |
| shardy | derekh: is there any way we can e.g reuse images between jobs or something, to reduce the overall load? | 14:23 |
| derekh | shardy: yes get the periodic job working and then use the artifacts it generates | 14:24 |
| dprince | shardy: like perhaps have upgrade jobs not use DIB at all? | 14:24 |
| derekh | shardy: for that we need to merge these 2 patches | 14:24 |
| derekh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244519/ | 14:24 |
| shardy | dprince: Yeah, something like that, just consume an existing stable-liberty image, then upgrade it to master | 14:24 |
| derekh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244526/ | 14:24 |
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| shardy | derekh: Ok, thanks, I'll check those out and we can chat more about this later | 14:25 |
| derekh | My plan was to have the periodic job save aritfacts that couldbe used in other jobs | 14:25 |
| marios | d0ugal: same | 14:25 |
| shadower | d0ugal: marios: same but it worked after ~5th reload | 14:25 |
| derekh | by that stalled as those patches are still waiting | 14:25 |
| shardy | derekh: cool, that sounds like it may work then | 14:25 |
| marios | shadower: has been weird since ~ top of the hour | 14:25 |
| shadower | yea | 14:25 |
| derekh | shardy: yup | 14:25 |
| shadower | just saying that if you keep trying you may get lucky | 14:25 |
| d0ugal | shardy: k, we can collectively DDoS :) | 14:26 |
| d0ugal | I meant shadower | 14:26 |
| marios | shadower: thanks | 14:26 |
| dprince | any other CI things then? | 14:27 |
| derekh | dprince: nothing from me | 14:27 |
| dprince | #topic Specs | 14:28 |
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| shadower | so, mandre and I wrote a spec + PoC for an API that runns validations on various stages of the deployment | 14:28 |
| shadower | to catch bad configs, hw issues etc. early | 14:29 |
| shadower | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255792/ | 14:29 |
| shadower | we'd like to build it on top of the TripleO API and just add the new functionality | 14:29 |
| shadower | would appreciate reviews | 14:29 |
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| shardy | shadower: nice - I noticed yesterday that our existing validations don't actually stop the deployment when an error is detected | 14:29 |
| d0ugal | shardy: On the CLI? | 14:30 |
| shadower | shardy: the ones in tht? | 14:30 |
| shardy | so that's probably a tripleoclient patch to at least prompt "are you sure" (unless there's one already posted) | 14:30 |
| shardy | d0ugal: yeah, the CLI | 14:30 |
| d0ugal | heh, I am sure they did stop it at one point :) | 14:30 |
| shardy | minor thing, just mentioning we need to prompt the user and/or have a --force mode where we always stop by default | 14:30 |
| d0ugal | shardy: Maybe you need this: https://github.com/openstack/python-tripleoclient/blob/master/tripleoclient/v1/overcloud_deploy.py#L887-L894 | 14:31 |
| d0ugal | Anyway - that's a different topic. | 14:31 |
| shardy | d0ugal: hehe, OK I'll check it out, maybe a regression (we should probably test with a known-bad config) | 14:31 |
| shardy | d0ugal: Yeah, I guess I'm saying that should default to True | 14:32 |
| d0ugal | So on the point of shadower's spec, it would be good to see more reviews on the API spec and patches. | 14:32 |
| d0ugal | shardy: I agree | 14:32 |
| shadower | yes please | 14:32 |
| * d0ugal is having trouble getting links | 14:32 | |
| shadower | it's rather tiny because it just lists the extensions to the tripleo api | 14:33 |
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| shadower | so we'd piggyback for things like auth, db, config etc. | 14:33 |
| marios | thanks shadower will try and revisit tomorrow morning reviews time (gerrit still down here can't even peak) | 14:33 |
| akrivoka | shadower: the addition of validations to the api will require adding a database to the tripleo api, correct? | 14:33 |
| shardy | I thought we expected tripleo-api to be stateless? | 14:34 |
| shadower | akrivoka: yeah, pretty much | 14:34 |
| shadower | I mean, we'd need to store the validation results someplace and be able to query them | 14:34 |
| d0ugal | shardy: Ideally we wanted that, but I don't think swift will work for us | 14:35 |
| d0ugal | for the API in general | 14:35 |
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| shardy | d0ugal: Ok, I guess now isn't really the time to discuss that, we can chat more later | 14:36 |
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| d0ugal | shardy: Sure, I need to send an email to the list about it - I had it as a topic in ast weeks meeting | 14:37 |
| shardy | d0ugal: ack, I missed last weeks meeting unfortunately, a ML thread would be good | 14:37 |
| dprince | d0ugal: okay, will look for your email | 14:37 |
| shadower | shardy, d0ugal: the validations will def want to be able to store state. I guess we could use swift instead of a real db but then we'd have to write a db (at least indexes + querying) on top of it | 14:37 |
| dprince | and perhaps we can add to the next meeting agenda if needed as well | 14:37 |
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| d0ugal | dprince: Maybe not next week thoug :) | 14:38 |
| shadower | haha | 14:38 |
| dprince | d0ugal: yeah, I gotcha | 14:38 |
| shadower | isn't that how unpopular laws get passed in politics? | 14:38 |
| d0ugal | oh, I just noticed I miss-read. nvm | 14:38 |
| shardy | shadower: Ok, thanks, it'd be interesting to discuss more on the ML about that | 14:38 |
| shadower | shardy: yeah, prolly makes more sense there | 14:39 |
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| dprince | any other specs things then? | 14:39 |
| dprince | I would add that I'll post an updated version of the composable roles spec soon with slight modifications | 14:40 |
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| dprince | #open discussion | 14:42 |
| shardy | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/082794.html | 14:42 |
| shardy | So, I started a ML thread about backwards compatibility | 14:42 |
| shardy | feedback would be welcome | 14:42 |
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| shardy | the question is, if we get CI coverage of e.g deploying a liberty overcloud with master tripleoclient and tripleo-common, do we still need the stable branches for those repos | 14:43 |
| slagle | i replied, but i'd rather see backwards compatibility there instead of stable branches | 14:43 |
| shardy | Or, do we expect coupling (especially with tripleo-common) with the master/mitaka services which would prevent removing them? | 14:44 |
| shardy | slagle: thanks - I guess I'm still a little unsure if we need both backwards compat and stable branches (especially for -common) | 14:44 |
| dprince | I feel like many projects bring this up. And ultimately the cleanest solutions is stable branches | 14:44 |
| shardy | e.g we may need tripleo-common to be able to deploy a liberty overcloud, but it might rely on mitaka undercloud features? | 14:45 |
| dprince | maintaining the logic in master to support all cases just gets confusing sometimes | 14:45 |
| slagle | all the clients are trending towards strict backwards compatibility afaict | 14:45 |
| slagle | not stable branches | 14:45 |
| shardy | dprince: for clients, lifeless is proposing to move away from that model in a cross-project spec | 14:45 |
| shardy | I'm leaning towards leaving the stable branches for now, and implementing a CI job which proves we maintain backwards compat on master | 14:46 |
| shardy | then, if it becomes clear that e.g we don't need the tripleoclient branch, we can remove it? | 14:46 |
| dprince | shardy: sure, I guess the assumption is there that you've got something you like to start with | 14:46 |
| dprince | There are remnants of tripleoclient I think we'd like to see evolve before we commit to them long term | 14:47 |
| shardy | Also, I wanted feedback from trown re the RDO implications of removing a branch for an existing release | 14:47 |
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| shardy | vs just not cutting another one for stable/mitaka | 14:47 |
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| shardy | Ok, so it sounds like the consensus is yes to the CI coverage, but leave the branches in place for now? | 14:47 |
| dprince | maybe a rough consensus. I don't see any harm in adding CI coverage though | 14:48 |
| shardy | Ok, well I'll do that first then and we can revisit the branches discussion after | 14:49 |
| shardy | thanks | 14:49 |
| shardy | feel free to add further thoughts to the ML thread | 14:49 |
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| dprince | do we want to have the meeting next week? | 14:50 |
| * d0ugal wont be here | 14:50 | |
| * shardy won't be here | 14:50 | |
| dprince | I know many people may be off the week between Christmas and New Years | 14:50 |
| * derekh no here either | 14:50 | |
| shardy | I'd say cancel it | 14:51 |
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| marios | bah humbug! | 14:51 |
| dprince | okay, I will send a mail to the list to cancel next week. | 14:51 |
| dprince | Next TripleO meeting w/ be Jan. 5th then | 14:52 |
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| dprince | any other topcis then for this week? | 14:54 |
| dtantsur | folks, wanted to draw your attention to the profile matching patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250405 which proved to be much bigger than anyone could expect.. | 14:54 |
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| shardy | dtantsur: thanks, will check it out | 14:54 |
| dtantsur | (I'll submit a couple more tiny changes as soon as gerrit gets up) | 14:54 |
| shardy | dtantsur: can that consume the profiles from the nodes json file we use for registering the nodes? | 14:56 |
| dtantsur | associated docs patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257867/ (if it makes things clear) | 14:56 |
| dtantsur | shardy, it will reuse whatever will be provided via 'capabilities' in the nodes json | 14:56 |
| shardy | dtantsur: Ok, thanks, so manual tagging is still possible | 14:56 |
| dtantsur | shardy, yes, and direct ironic update will work too | 14:57 |
| shardy | ++ sounds good | 14:57 |
| dtantsur | shardy, check out the docs patch first, it explains the expected flow | 14:57 |
| shardy | ack, thanks | 14:57 |
| dtantsur | thanks | 14:57 |
| dprince | dtantsur: yeah, so long as manual tagging is still possible via the undercloud json file it sounds fine | 14:57 |
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| dprince | thanks everyone | 14:59 |
| dprince | have a nice break | 14:59 |
| dtantsur | happy holidays | 14:59 |
| d0ugal | Thanks! See you next year! | 14:59 |
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| dprince | #endmeeting tripleo | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 22 15:00:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-12-22-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-12-22-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-12-22-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
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| sergmelikyan | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 22 17:00:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sergmelikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
| sergmelikyan | o/ | 17:00 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:01 |
| katyafervent | \0/ | 17:01 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | courtusey ping to enthurohini | 17:03 |
| enthurohini | :) tq | 17:04 |
| sergmelikyan | Hi folks =^_^= | 17:05 |
| sergmelikyan | Out agenda for todays appears to be almost empty | 17:05 |
| sergmelikyan | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda | 17:05 |
| sergmelikyan | so hurry up and add something there if you have topics to discuss | 17:06 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic Action Items Review | 17:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Items Review (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:06 | |
| sergmelikyan | #1 ativelkov to summarize the plugin usage questions in etherpad | 17:06 |
| Nikolay_St | hi all | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ativelkov is not here =) I suggest we re-schedule the AI for him for the next week | 17:07 |
| sergmelikyan | Ok | 17:07 |
| sergmelikyan | #action ativelkov to summarize the plugin usage questions in etherpad | 17:07 |
| sergmelikyan | #2 kzaitsev_mb write a letter about abandoning milestones and/or blueprints | 17:07 |
| sergmelikyan | Isaw your e-mail! :) | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/082890.html | 17:08 |
| kzaitsev_mb | yep, just for the record | 17:08 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I hope we'll get some +1/-1 discussion | 17:08 |
| sergmelikyan | hope that too, I will try to reply soon | 17:08 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic Open Discussion | 17:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:09 | |
| kzaitsev_mb | I've been planning to do some releases this week. namely client 0.7.2, 0.8.1 and murano/murano-dashboard 1.0.2 | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | if there are no objections for that — would do that on Thursday | 17:10 |
| sergmelikyan | no objections | 17:11 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev_mb release client, stable/liberty updates | 17:12 |
| sergmelikyan | folks, I have behind-the-wheel test scheduled for today for my driver license, so if we don't have any other topics to discuss I suggest to end the meeting in 18m | 17:13 |
| sergmelikyan | what do you think? | 17:13 |
| kzaitsev_mb | +1 to that ) | 17:13 |
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| enthurohini | np | 17:13 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | the holidays are close =) everyone's wrapping up this year's tasks I guess ) | 17:15 |
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| sergmelikyan | http://yaqluator.com/ - I like it! (c) | 17:23 |
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| Nikolay_St | sergmelikyan: I'm okay with earlier end of meeting | 17:23 |
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| Nikolay_St | sergmelikyan: yaqulator is a brilliant name | 17:24 |
| enthurohini | nice, will try it | 17:25 |
| sergmelikyan | #endmeeting | 17:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:25 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 22 17:25:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-12-22-17.00.html | 17:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-12-22-17.00.txt | 17:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-12-22-17.00.log.html | 17:25 |
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