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| sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 14:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 13 14:02:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 14:02 |
| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:02 |
| sgordon | #topic roll call | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:02 | |
| sgordon | o/ | 14:02 |
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| cloudon | hi there & Happy New Year | 14:02 |
| * sgordon climbs out from under his inbox | 14:03 | |
| sgordon | #topic actions from last meeting | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:03 | |
| sgordon | #info sgordon was to ask on product-wg mailing list about listing SMEs in user story: | 14:03 |
| sgordon | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/product-wg/2016-January/000913.html | 14:03 |
| sgordon | email sent on that topic mere moments ago ;) | 14:03 |
| sgordon | #info need to pick up next submissions | 14:04 |
| sgordon | #action sgordon to submit sec segregation to product wg | 14:04 |
| sgordon | #info need a lucky volunteer for session border control if possible | 14:04 |
| sgordon | ....and that is about where i am at coming back from an extended break | 14:04 |
| sgordon | what else is new :) | 14:04 |
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| cloudon | I can do SBC... | 14:05 |
| cloudon | ...if I get my brain back in gear and remember precisely what that involves | 14:05 |
| cloudon | Basically broadly same format but tweaked a bit? | 14:06 |
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| sgordon | cloudon, yeah | 14:06 |
| sgordon | cloudon, moving into this template: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-user-stories/tree/user-story-template.rst | 14:06 |
| sgordon | which is largely very similar to the one we already use | 14:07 |
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| cloudon | Cool, will take a look and try and get that done | 14:08 |
| sgordon | #action cloudon will attempt to pick up the session border control use case for submission to product working group | 14:09 |
| sgordon | excellent, thanks | 14:09 |
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| sgordon | anything else to raise for this week? | 14:10 |
| cloudon | Not from me. Similar sized inbox to emerge from... | 14:10 |
| sgordon | yeah | 14:10 |
| sgordon | :) | 14:10 |
| sgordon | ok then | 14:10 |
| sgordon | until next time! | 14:10 |
| cloudon | cheers | 14:10 |
| sgordon | #endmeeting | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:10 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 13 14:10:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:10 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2016/telcowg.2016-01-13-14.02.html | 14:10 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2016/telcowg.2016-01-13-14.02.txt | 14:10 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2016/telcowg.2016-01-13-14.02.log.html | 14:11 |
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| haleyb | hi | 14:59 |
| stephen-ma | hi | 14:59 |
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| obondarev | o/ | 14:59 |
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| Swami | hi | 14:59 |
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| haleyb | #startmeeting neutron_dvr | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 13 15:00:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is haleyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_dvr)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_dvr' | 15:00 |
| dasm | o/ | 15:00 |
| njohnston | o/ | 15:00 |
| haleyb | #chair Swami | 15:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Swami haleyb | 15:00 |
| haleyb | #topic Announcements | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_dvr)" | 15:00 | |
| haleyb | Mitaka 2 is next week according to http://docs.openstack.org/releases/schedules/mitaka.html | 15:01 |
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| haleyb | so let's not slow down :) | 15:01 |
| obondarev | :) | 15:02 |
| haleyb | We have a lot of bugs, and I'd like to try and lessen that, so (copying from the meeting wiki...) | 15:02 |
| obondarev | I was about to ask how are we as DVR team affected by Mitaka 2 :) | 15:02 |
| haleyb | well, it's more of a "time will sneak up on us" comment | 15:03 |
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| haleyb | especially with something like the migration work | 15:03 |
| obondarev | yeah | 15:03 |
| obondarev | which migration? | 15:03 |
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| Swami | Yes that is one of the high's that we need to resolve and since it has some dependency with nova that would be critical. | 15:04 |
| obondarev | live migration you mean? | 15:04 |
| haleyb | the nova migration with dvr swami is working on | 15:04 |
| obondarev | I see | 15:04 |
| Swami | obondarev: yes | 15:04 |
| obondarev | ok, sorry for interruption | 15:04 |
| haleyb | np, it's good that we're clear | 15:05 |
| Swami | obondarev: did you get a chance to review the discussion on this item in the launchpad bug.#1456073 | 15:05 |
| obondarev | Swami: I saw the discussion, just didn't have time yet to express my opinion | 15:05 |
| obondarev | I still have some doubts on it | 15:06 |
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| Swami | obondarev: please provide your thoughts and valuable input | 15:06 |
| obondarev | Swami: will do | 15:06 |
| Swami | We as a team should be in an agreement on the neutron sides changes before we get the nova team involved. | 15:06 |
| obondarev | Swami: right | 15:07 |
| Swami | obondarev: this was based on your suggestion in the mailing list. | 15:07 |
| otherwiseguy | I'm trying to get caught up on the DVR code so that I can actually make a useful contribution. Helping out with DVR is pretty much my main task. | 15:07 |
| otherwiseguy | (for this cycle) | 15:07 |
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| obondarev | otherwiseguy: good to hear that, thanks | 15:07 |
| Swami | otherwiseguy: welcome and thanks for volunteering. | 15:07 |
| haleyb | Swami: so do you want responses on the mailing list or the bug? i'd assume the ML | 15:08 |
| Swami | haleyb: did you get a chance to take a look at the proposal on the live migration. | 15:08 |
| haleyb | Swami: i have only gone through it quickly, i will take another look today | 15:09 |
| obondarev | Swami: that patch with neutron changes that I saw seemed an overkill to me | 15:09 |
| Swami | haleyb: I think from the neutron team we can use the bug as our discussion thread and also update the ML with our findings so that Nova team gets notified. That was my idea. | 15:09 |
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| obondarev | Swami: that one that is changing portbinding extension | 15:09 |
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| Swami | obondarev: yes I thought that would be the way to go. If you feel that it is a overkill then please provide me your thoughts. Also I did see that there was a patch on l2pop that required to know the migration state and portbinding would be place where we can track. | 15:10 |
| obondarev | yeah, this needs more thinking, and estimation if it's worth it.. I mean | 15:11 |
| Swami | obondarev: without the host information, we cannot create the floatingip and routers ahead of time. We need the host binding information based on the current design | 15:11 |
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| obondarev | I mean if the only problem is connection lost to floating IP during live migration.. maybe we can document and live with it | 15:12 |
| obondarev | I'm not sure however about the importance of the problem | 15:12 |
| Swami | obondarev: that is one part of the problem which is related to this bug. But one the overall picture in order to make live migration and dvr work smoother we need this information. | 15:12 |
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| obondarev | any other bugs related to dvr and migration? | 15:13 |
| obondarev | just to clarify | 15:13 |
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| Swami | obondarev: we are also working on moving the dvr to the ovsvapp and we have seen some issue with live migration and the vmware drs. | 15:13 |
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| haleyb | well, let's come up with a plan first, that way we can prioritize it, since it might be "N" before it's all done | 15:14 |
| haleyb | ^^ regarding live migratin | 15:14 |
| Swami | haleyb: I agree with it. | 15:14 |
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| haleyb | Swami: ovsvapp seems N-ish unless it's just a bug | 15:15 |
| haleyb | Let's move on the Bugs, and I'll just make some comments before we dig into it | 15:16 |
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| haleyb | #topic Bugs | 15:16 |
| Swami | haleyb:got it. | 15:16 |
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| Swami | regarding bugs, this week we just for one old bug reopened. | 15:17 |
| haleyb | We have a lot, and i want to make sure they are prioritized and making progress | 15:17 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1512199 | 15:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1512199 in neutron "change vm fixed ips will cause unable to communicate to vm in other network " [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to John Schwarz (jschwarz) | 15:17 |
| haleyb | When going through them I'd like to try to get feedback on whether they are a MUST FIX, SHOULD FIX, or GOOD TO HAVE (gets at having priority set correctly) | 15:17 |
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| * haleyb was still on his soapbox | 15:17 | |
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| haleyb | If it needs a rebase, do it soon after Jenkins notifies you | 15:17 |
| haleyb | If you just need reviews, ping people on irc or post a comment in the review | 15:18 |
| haleyb | So, in a nutshell, let's try and get these merged | 15:18 |
| Swami | This bug was originally reported to be seen in kilo branch, but now seen also in the master branch. I suspect that this is due to regression. | 15:18 |
| Swami | There is patch available for this bug. | 15:18 |
| obondarev | link please? | 15:18 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263772/ | 15:19 |
| obondarev | thanks | 15:19 |
| Swami | obondarev: this is the patch that had a comment from carl_baldwin to refactor the arp_delete and arp_add function. | 15:19 |
| obondarev | seems some action from the owner is needed | 15:19 |
| Swami | So I introduced the refactor patch so that it can be used. | 15:19 |
| obondarev | Swami: yeah, I see | 15:19 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264356/ | 15:19 |
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| Swami | john schwarz is the owner of the patch, i will ping him to see if he still wanted to proceed, or else I will fix it. | 15:20 |
| obondarev | Swami: a bit concerned with code duplication, I need to review again to see how we can avoid it | 15:21 |
| obondarev | Swami: seems in John's patch there was no duplication | 15:21 |
| Swami | obondarev: ok I saw your review comment, but I thought that there was not much of code duplication there, may be add in your comments. | 15:22 |
| obondarev | Swami: I will | 15:22 |
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| Swami | ok let us move on to the next one. | 15:22 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1462154 | 15:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1462154 in neutron "With DVR Pings to floating IPs replied with fixed-ips" [High,In progress] - Assigned to ZongKai LI (lzklibj) | 15:22 |
| obondarev | Swami: also I think it's a good idea to fix bug first (no refactoring) to make it easier to backport | 15:23 |
| * carl_baldwin stuck in meetings today, will read logs soon | 15:23 | |
| Swami | This bug is in review for a while. I think carl_baldwin is reviewing it from day one. | 15:23 |
| Swami | obondarev: I know while we working on reviewing the patches we do keep suggesting the refactor options. | 15:23 |
| haleyb | i think stephen-ma knows a lot of the background on that as well | 15:24 |
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| stephen-ma | I am also reviewing the bugfixes for 1462154. | 15:24 |
| Swami | haleyb: yes, he was the one to work on that patch. | 15:24 |
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| Swami | stephen-ma: how close is this to get resolved. | 15:24 |
| stephen-ma | Is the bugfix being held up because of the rootwrap filter change? | 15:24 |
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| Swami | stephen-ma: I am not aware about it, but you should know better than for this bug. | 15:25 |
| stephen-ma | I will review his latest patch submission today. | 15:26 |
| Swami | stephen-ma: thanks. | 15:26 |
| Swami | let us move on to the next one. | 15:27 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1522824 | 15:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1522824 in neutron "DVR multinode job: test_shelve_instance failure due to SSHTimeout" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev) | 15:27 |
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| obondarev | got some comments on that one half a hour ago, need to work on them | 15:28 |
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| obondarev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253569/ | 15:28 |
| Swami | obondarev: yes I did see some comments from rossella | 15:28 |
| Swami | Let us move on to the next one. | 15:29 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1445255 | 15:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1445255 in neutron "DVR FloatingIP to unbound port does not work" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:29 |
| Swami | This patch is ready for review. It would be great if I could get more reviews on the patch shown below. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254439/ | 15:30 |
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| Swami | This bug is specific to how dvr handles the unbound "allowed_address_pairs" with floatingip. | 15:30 |
| obondarev | bug title is a bit confusing as such a bug was fixed a while ago, shouldn't we rename better rename it to state the problem more clearly? | 15:30 |
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| Swami | obondarev: yes I thought about it, will change the bug title to reflect the patch. | 15:31 |
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| obondarev | Swami: thanks | 15:31 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1510796 | 15:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1510796 in neutron "Function sync_routers always call _get_dvr_sync_data in ha scenario" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to ZongKai LI (lzklibj) | 15:32 |
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| Swami | here is the link to the patch. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239908/ | 15:32 |
| Swami | This patch needs review. | 15:32 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1526175 | 15:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1526175 in neutron "ha router schedule to dvr agent in compute node" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to zhang sheng (langyxxl) | 15:34 |
| Swami | There is a patch for this bug and needs review. | 15:34 |
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| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265499/ | 15:34 |
| Swami | The next one in the list is | 15:35 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1505575 | 15:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1505575 in neutron "Fatal memory consumption by neutron-server with DVR at scale" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev) | 15:35 |
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| Swami | This bug is under review for a while | 15:35 |
| * haleyb sees his review backlog is at its maximum | 15:35 | |
| Swami | patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234067/ | 15:35 |
| obondarev | this bug is noi longer valid, no memory consumption | 15:35 |
| obondarev | the review was retargeted to another bug | 15:36 |
| Swami | obondarev: so are you planning to abandon this patch and close this bug. | 15:36 |
| obondarev | Swami: no | 15:36 |
| obondarev | it now closes another bug | 15:36 |
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| Swami | what was that bug number, can you provide me | 15:36 |
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| obondarev | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1516260 | 15:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1516260 in neutron "L3 agent sync_routers timeouts may cause cluster to fall down" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev) | 15:36 |
| Swami | obondarev: ok I will update the wiki with the right one. | 15:37 |
| haleyb | obondarev: i see the paginate change is looking good, related to that, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234067/ is that the main focus now? | 15:37 |
| obondarev | Swami: thanks | 15:37 |
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| obondarev | haleyb: sorry, related to what? | 15:38 |
| haleyb | related to the bug you listed, i hadn't noticed the review link swami posted | 15:38 |
| obondarev | haleyb: ah, got it | 15:39 |
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| obondarev | so yeah, that is the patch | 15:39 |
| haleyb | obondarev: and did the dhcp change that was simlar adopt the same method? i have lost track of it | 15:39 |
| obondarev | haleyb: same for me.. need to see it again | 15:40 |
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| Swami | The next one is the very old DVR HA bug. The server side patch has not merged yet. | 15:40 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143169/ | 15:40 |
| haleyb | obondarev: ok, thanks, that was over the holiday break when i was out | 15:40 |
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| obondarev | I had a conversation on it with amuller | 15:40 |
| Swami | adolfo is on vacation this week, so once he returns he might address the last review comment and merge conflict on this patch. | 15:40 |
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| Swami | haleyb: that's all I had for bugs today. | 15:41 |
| obondarev | the problem is that this patch now is dealing with all the dvr scheduling complexity, which will be removed by dvr scheduling refactoring | 15:41 |
| obondarev | so probably it's better to base in on top of refactoring patches | 15:42 |
| Swami | obondarev: yes we fix and refactor something, there needs to be a change in this patch and that's the reason it is taking a long time. | 15:42 |
| Swami | obondarev: agreed, I will ask adolfo to do it. | 15:42 |
| Swami | haleyb: no more major bugs to discuss and I will hand it over to you. | 15:43 |
| haleyb | so which refactoring patches have to merge first for that? most in our bug list? | 15:43 |
| Swami | haleyb: at this point most of the refactoring bugs have merged. But we should merge this patch first before we merge any other scheduler refactor patches. | 15:44 |
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| obondarev | Swami: I feel the opposite way | 15:45 |
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| obondarev | these are refactoring patches https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/improve-dvr-l3-agent-binding | 15:45 |
| Swami | obondarev: The reason I say is then this server side code should be changed and it will take a while, we have been waiting for this fix to go in from October. | 15:45 |
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| obondarev | which are eliminating dvr scheduler complexity | 15:46 |
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| obondarev | Swami: that's why I'm not insisting, it's just my opinion, once the ha + dvr patch is well tested and addresses all comments it can be merged | 15:47 |
| Swami | obondarev: yes I agree with it. It need not wait. | 15:47 |
| Swami | obondarev: But I understand that the ha complexity might be reduced when we add it on top of yours. | 15:47 |
| obondarev | and I'll have to update that code as part of refactoring, but I'm ok with that | 15:47 |
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| haleyb | agreed, it's been ongoing since 2014 and every little change causes a rebase | 15:48 |
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| Swami | haleyb: agreed. | 15:48 |
| haleyb | although PS66 isn't a record :) | 15:48 |
| Swami | haleyb: But the issue here is agent side code landed 3 months back and the server side is still under review. | 15:49 |
| Swami | haleyb: let us move on | 15:49 |
| haleyb | Swami: true, hopefully adolfo can update quickly... moving on | 15:49 |
| haleyb | #topic Gate failures | 15:49 |
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| haleyb | this has kind-of fallen off the radar | 15:50 |
| Swami | haleyb: I don't see any new failures in the gate this week. | 15:50 |
| obondarev | there was a faulure affecting both dvr and non-dvr multinode jobs | 15:50 |
| obondarev | fixed recently | 15:50 |
| Swami | obondarev: that has come done | 15:50 |
| obondarev | does anyone know the bug? | 15:51 |
| Swami | obondarev: I see the graph trending downhill. | 15:51 |
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| Swami | obondarev: I don't know the exact bug that caused the hump. | 15:51 |
| obondarev | yeah it was fixed yesterday, I'm not sure was it some nova fix or smth else | 15:51 |
| haleyb | Have we seen many Tempest "SSHTimeout" failures? | 15:51 |
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| obondarev | Swami: can you please post a logstash query that you're using? | 15:52 |
| Swami | haleyb: obondarev: Just an update on the debug patch that I had for the SSHtimeout issue, I still see when I run it against the tempest, there are more inconsistent results for the ping test to pass. But when I run in my own setup it seems to pass. So I am not sure what in the tempest test is causing the pings to be inconsistent. | 15:53 |
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| Swami | obondarev: was this for the SSHtimeout | 15:53 |
| obondarev | Swami: yeah | 15:53 |
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| Swami | obondarev: build_name:"gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-dvr" AND build_status:"FAILURE" AND message:"SSHTimeout" AND project:"openstack/neutron" | 15:55 |
| obondarev | Swami: cool, thanks! | 15:56 |
| haleyb | Swami: is there more debug info we can add? | 15:56 |
| Swami | haleyb: what is see as a strange behavior is it does get two ping packets and then it losses the rest of the packets or complains about unreachable. | 15:57 |
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| Swami | haleyb: I am thinking through it. | 15:57 |
| Swami | s/what is see/what I see | 15:57 |
| haleyb | ok, feel free to ping me for help | 15:57 |
| Swami | haleyb: will do. | 15:57 |
| haleyb | #topic Performance | 15:57 |
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| haleyb | obondarev: you had already posted https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/improve-dvr-l3-agent-binding | 15:58 |
| obondarev | yep | 15:58 |
| haleyb | Is the only other thing the pagination? at least for now? | 15:58 |
| obondarev | sorry? | 15:58 |
| * haleyb finds the link | 15:59 | |
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| obondarev | haleyb: what do you mean by the only other thing? | 15:59 |
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| haleyb | obondarev: just that i didn't see the router pagination review in that link i thnk | 16:00 |
| obondarev | (we can go to neutron channel) | 16:00 |
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| haleyb | yeah, it's the end | 16:00 |
| obondarev | haleyb: ah, the link is only about bp | 16:00 |
| haleyb | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| Swami | ok thanks folks, and goodbye, see you all next week. | 16:00 |
| obondarev | pagination is separate | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 13 16:00:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2016/neutron_dvr.2016-01-13-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2016/neutron_dvr.2016-01-13-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
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| haleyb | thanks for coming everyone | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2016/neutron_dvr.2016-01-13-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
| obondarev | thanks folks | 16:01 |
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| rkukura | hi ML2’ers! | 16:01 |
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| yalie | hi | 16:01 |
| dasm | o/ | 16:01 |
| yamahata | hello | 16:01 |
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| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 13 16:02:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:02 |
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| sadasu | Hello! | 16:03 |
| rkukura | #topic Agenda | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_January_13.2C_2016 | 16:03 |
| rkukura | Anything to add to the agenda today? | 16:04 |
| rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | Only announcement I have is that M2 is next week | 16:04 |
| rkukura | Anything else? | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | #topic Driver API for SecurityGroup | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | yalie: Can you update us on the status of this? | 16:06 |
| yalie | rkukura: yes, from the discussion last week, we will work on it in next N | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | There was an action for rkukura and yalie to update the bug to get the closure for M release | 16:07 |
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| yalie | rkukura: so how to deal with the RFE bug now? | 16:08 |
| yalie | Sukhdev: yes | 16:08 |
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| rkukura | I see active review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252755/, which adds the precommit events. Is that going into M? | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura, yalie: you may want to reply to armax's comment on the bug | 16:09 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Yes, I plan to but just have not got to it | 16:09 |
| yalie | rkukura: yes, that review is split from the RFE, and RFE will focus on only the enforcement | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura : no worries | 16:10 |
| rkukura | OK | 16:10 |
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| rkukura | anything else on this right now? | 16:10 |
| yalie | rkukura: that review for the precommit event goes well | 16:10 |
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| rkukura | yes, I looked at it briefly and it seems in pretty good shape | 16:11 |
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| rkukura | #topic limited-portsec implementation | 16:11 |
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| yalie | limited-portsec has a new implementation in the last week. | 16:12 |
| rkukura | yalie: Also looks like good progress on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250036/ since last week | 16:12 |
| rkukura | any issues to discuss? | 16:12 |
| yalie | rkukura: still issue left. | 16:13 |
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| rkukura | yalie: Can you summarize the issue? | 16:13 |
| yalie | rkukura: the plugin still can not get the ability of supporting limit-portsec clearly | 16:13 |
| yalie | now, I add the attr in portsec db, if the pulgin inherit the db class, it could call directly. | 16:14 |
| yalie | but for extension in ML2, it only see portsec, and plugin could not call the db verification function | 16:15 |
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| yalie | the plugin can not know if it support limit-portsec or not. | 16:15 |
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| rkukura | yalie: Why does ML2 itself need to know if limit-portsec is enabled? | 16:16 |
| rkukura | Or does it need to be configurable? | 16:17 |
| yalie | I just think maybe user want to get this ability | 16:17 |
| rkukura | yalie: Do you mean like querying whether an extension is supported? | 16:18 |
| yalie | yes, rkukura | 16:18 |
| yalie | querying whether it is supported | 16:18 |
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| rkukura | I guess that’s an argument for treating this as a separate extension rather than part of the portsec extension | 16:19 |
| yalie | because implement it in the same extension, now user only see port-sec extention. | 16:19 |
| yalie | yes | 16:19 |
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| rkukura | would it make sense to have two seperate extensions, but both implemented by the same DB mix-in class? | 16:20 |
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| yalie | that would make the current create to be 'update', because the same row maybe has been created by another one because of order in extentsion call list | 16:21 |
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| yalie | implement it in the same extension just to avoid the dependency/order issue | 16:22 |
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| rkukura | I didn’t mean a separate extension driver necessarily, just a separate extension that can be queried | 16:23 |
| yalie | sepearate extension showed in supported_ext_alias of plugin? | 16:24 |
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| rkukura | So limitied-portsecurity would extend portsecurity, but the DB mix-in class would implement both (depending on the flag) and the ML2 extension driver would handle both in terms of the DB mix-in. | 16:24 |
| rkukura | yalie: yes | 16:24 |
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| yalie | oh maybe, I have not figure out it but we can discuss it offline | 16:26 |
| rkukura | yalie: Has the querying of support for this been raised as an issue in the review? | 16:26 |
| yalie | no, I just think of it's issue when I add the testcases. | 16:27 |
| rkukura | yalie: OK, I’ll try to keep up with the review, but ping me on IRC or email if you’d like to discuss it | 16:27 |
| rkukura | anything else on this topic? | 16:27 |
| yalie | some plugin which support it or not check different return value. | 16:28 |
| yalie | rkukura: thanks! | 16:28 |
| yalie | rkukura: no more add | 16:28 |
| rkukura | yalie: Is this something that some ML2 mechanism drivers would support, and others might not? | 16:28 |
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| yalie | rkukura: no, I want the test verify different value based on the plugin support it or not. like if plugin don't support, maybe the value filled with 'not-support' | 16:30 |
| sadasu | yalie: I haven't been keeping up with the review | 16:31 |
| yalie | sadasu: just my own thought, maybe it's not a problem. | 16:31 |
| sadasu | but the cisco ucsm mech driver can operate in 2 modes | 16:31 |
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| yalie | sadasu: which 2 modes? | 16:32 |
| sadasu | port-security would not be supported when the mech driver is dealing with a SR-IOV port | 16:32 |
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| sadasu | and would support it (possibly) if it is a virtio port | 16:32 |
| sadasu | how can we take care of that case? | 16:32 |
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| yalie | sadasu: thanks, does that a kind of usecase of enforcement? rkukura | 16:34 |
| rkukura | yalie: I was just typing the same thing | 16:34 |
| sadasu | sorry, didn't get the question! | 16:34 |
| yalie | rkukura: yeah | 16:34 |
| sadasu | ok, that was a question for rkukura | 16:35 |
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| yalie | sadasu: we are thinking if this case is one kind of usecase for this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1518087 | 16:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1518087 in neutron "[RFE] Method to guarantee that at least one mechanism driver implements security groups" [Wishlist,Won't fix] - Assigned to yalei wang (yalei-wang) | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | sadasu: when you say virtio port, you include trunk port as well? | 16:36 |
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| rkukura | We had previously been discussing yalie’s BP for enforcing SGs, which I’ve previously suggested is a more general issue for various extensions, not just SGs | 16:36 |
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| yalie | sadasu: when your mech driver works in mode which don't support portsec, does that mean portsec is false all the time and read-only | 16:37 |
| sadasu | Sukhdev: in my case not trunk ports, just neutron virtual ports assigned to VMs | 16:37 |
| yalie | sadasu: or just no this extension | 16:38 |
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| rkukura | In general, when we have a deployment with a mix of different mechanism drivers, what do we want to happen when the semantics required by the user’s extension values cannot be provided with certain possible bindings? Should port binding fail? Should nova scheduling take this into account somehow? | 16:38 |
| sadasu | well, that mode is not a config time setting, it is based on what port type is being created/updated | 16:38 |
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| sadasu | rkukura: thanks for framing my question in a more generic way | 16:39 |
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| scheuran | sadasu, regarding sriov: the sriov agent only supports the noopfirewall driver for sec groups (it was implemented like it would support sec groups). But it has some anti spoofing support which can be enabled. not sure in which area the port security thing goes | 16:40 |
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| scheuran | sadasu, also with sriov virtual ports (macvtap) there's no way to implement sec groups at the moment | 16:40 |
| scheuran | sadasu, oh my statement was about the sriov agent, not the cisco ucsm... | 16:43 |
| sadasu | scheuran: agreed, thats why I want my mech driver to have the option of not supporting sec groups for some port types and support it for others | 16:43 |
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| sadasu | I think the design is currently going in the direction where the entire mech driver says it can support sec group or not almost at init time | 16:44 |
| yalie | sadasu: agree | 16:44 |
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| rkukura | sadasu: Even if that is the case for one mech driver, what if one supports sec group and another doesn’t? We don’t handle that right now. | 16:45 |
| sadasu | can we keep it at a more granular level? say at the level of ports instead? | 16:45 |
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| sadasu | rkukura: agreed. we need to take care of that too | 16:46 |
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| yalie | at least mech driver need provide the info that whether and when it support SG/extesnion or not | 16:47 |
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| sadasu | yalie: agreed. | 16:47 |
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| rkukura | I’m not sure its a question of whether or not the MD(s) support the extension, its whether they can provide the semantics required by the extension’s values | 16:48 |
| sadasu | rkukura: +1. yes, that is a more accurate description | 16:49 |
| yalie | rkukura: yes | 16:49 |
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| rkukura | Seems this topic will be a good one to discuss in Austin, hopefully with one or more concrete proposals. | 16:50 |
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| rkukura | #topic Open Discussion | 16:51 |
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| sadasu | rkukura:+1 | 16:51 |
| yalie | rkukura: +1 | 16:51 |
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| rkukura | We’ve got about 8 minutes left - anything else to discuss? | 16:52 |
| scheuran | a short thing regarding modular l2 agent (sorry if I missed that before) | 16:52 |
| rkukura | scheuran: go right ahead... | 16:52 |
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| scheuran | all the smaller patchsets got merged, now it's time to make the "big" split off | 16:52 |
| scheuran | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246318 | 16:52 |
| scheuran | any input would be helpful! | 16:53 |
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| rkukura | scheuran: great work! | 16:53 |
| scheuran | If I got armax right, we need to make mitaka2, otherwise it will move out | 16:53 |
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| scheuran | but I need to clarify this again | 16:53 |
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| Sukhdev | scheuran : M2 is next week - but, it can go into M3 | 16:54 |
| rkukura | The patch isn’t that “big” :) | 16:54 |
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| Sukhdev | so, there is time | 16:54 |
| scheuran | that would be great | 16:54 |
| scheuran | armax just dropped a note that it is in risk..so I was thinking if he meant the m2 as deadline... | 16:55 |
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| rkukura | Lets see if we can get it in M2, just to be safe. | 16:55 |
| scheuran | it = the blueprint | 16:55 |
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| armax | scheuran: I didn’t mean that it must make M2 | 16:55 |
| rkukura | armax: Thanks! | 16:55 |
| armax | scheuran: but that we simply gotta get on with it :) | 16:56 |
| scheuran | armax, great news, thanks! | 16:56 |
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| rkukura | 4 minutes left - anything else? | 16:56 |
| armax | scheuran: I’ll look at the patch you pointed me asap | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | scheuran : so, relax, you have time :-):-) | 16:56 |
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| armax | hopefully by the end of the day | 16:56 |
| armax | Sukhdev: no! | 16:56 |
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| armax | Sukhdev: gotta work under the assumption that time has run out already! | 16:57 |
| scheuran | armax, thank you. any input helps to make progress... | 16:57 |
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| Sukhdev | armax : got it | 16:57 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Where do we stand on the adding network ID to type driver calls patch? | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura : there was a patch pushed - armax and kevinbenton provided some great feedback | 16:58 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: Saw that, but am not clear if its going forward or not | 16:58 |
| armax | I thought the idea was shelved, based on the lack of feeback from the submitter | 16:59 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura : No - we are considering dropping it - we figured out another way to deal with this | 16:59 |
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| Sukhdev | armax : correct - we came up with an alternative, which will take care of it | 17:00 |
| rkukura | OK, thanks. If that’s the case, might make sense to abandon it so reviewers ignore it | 17:00 |
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| armax | Sukhdev: so should the bug/patch be abandoned? | 17:00 |
| rkukura | Or switch to WIP | 17:00 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura : yes, will abandon it or will WIP on it | 17:00 |
| rkukura | we are out if time! | 17:00 |
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| rkukura | Thanks evevyone! | 17:01 |
| rkukura | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 13 17:01:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-01-13-16.02.html | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | armax : let me discuss with the submitter to make sure he is going to be OK with it | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-01-13-16.02.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-01-13-16.02.log.html | 17:01 |
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| armax | Sukhdev: ok | 17:01 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting Designate | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 13 17:03:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:03 |
| mugsie | #topic roll call | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | o/ | 17:03 |
| timsim | o/ | 17:03 |
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| elarson | o/ | 17:03 |
| sonuk | o/ | 17:03 |
| mugsie | federico3: ekarlso ?? | 17:03 |
| pglass | o/ | 17:03 |
| Kiall | the HP folks are all doing double duty, on a all-hands call too.. Sorry for any distraction in advance ;) | 17:04 |
| mugsie | #topic Action Items from last week | 17:04 |
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| federico3 | o/ | 17:04 |
| mugsie | kiall to file bug re update_status unnecessarily calling out to get_serial (see IRC meeting logs) | 17:04 |
| mugsie | Kiall: ? | 17:04 |
| Kiall | Ehh, nope. totally forgot | 17:04 |
| mugsie | #action kiall to file bug re update_status unnecessarily calling out to get_serial (see IRC meeting logs) | 17:04 |
| Kiall | (kept typing the same typo over + over) | 17:04 |
| mugsie | federico3 look at 1531294 | 17:04 |
| mugsie | that was done, afaik. | 17:05 |
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| Kiall | yea, fixed + merged | 17:05 |
| mugsie | all review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258621/ | 17:05 |
| mugsie | so, some of us did | 17:05 |
| timsim | :) | 17:05 |
| mugsie | but, please people have a look. | 17:05 |
| Kiall | I've read it a few times over | 17:05 |
| mugsie | it is important :) | 17:05 |
| Kiall | Really need to see the from now -> there path to have anything meaningly | 17:05 |
| Kiall | as, I agree with the end state, but am concerned about how we get there | 17:06 |
| mugsie | that sounds like a review :P | 17:06 |
| mugsie | #topic Bug Triage (timsim - recurring) | 17:06 |
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| rsyed | o/ (late) | 17:06 |
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| * timsim still needs to investigate https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1516355 | 17:06 | |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1516355 in Designate ""RecordSet not found" while trying to update NS Pool" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Tim Simmons (timsim) | 17:06 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1517839 | 17:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1517839 in neutron "Make CONF.set_override with paramter enforce_type=True by default" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to caoyue (yue-cao) | 17:07 |
| Kiall | Looks reasonable + small | 17:07 |
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| Kiall | Med -> M2/M3 | 17:07 |
| mugsie | ++ | 17:08 |
| timsim | k | 17:08 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1532802 | 17:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1532802 in Designate "Example unti test case run doucment has to be updated" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to naggappan (naggappan) | 17:08 |
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| federico3 | mugsie: is https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1531294 to be backported? | 17:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1531294 in Designate "periodic_sync_seconds cannot be set to None (in order to sync everything)" [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to Federico Ceratto (federico-ceratto) | 17:08 |
| timsim | I think mugsie interacted with the other bug he references there (invalid) | 17:08 |
| mugsie | timsim: I did | 17:08 |
| Kiall | timsim: re 1532802 - low / m3? | 17:09 |
| mugsie | yeah, low m3 | 17:09 |
| mugsie | and mark it confirmed | 17:09 |
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| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1532852 | 17:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1532852 in Designate "[Docs] Example API calls are missing metadata" [Undecided,New] | 17:09 |
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| mugsie | Med - m3 | 17:09 |
| Kiall | ^ | 17:10 |
| mugsie | federico3: i think so - but it will be on the list from Kiall in a sec | 17:10 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1532925 | 17:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1532925 in Designate "Import/Exports have no total_count metadata" [Undecided,New] | 17:10 |
| mugsie | H, M3 | 17:10 |
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| Kiall | yea, it seems important to fix that :) | 17:11 |
| mugsie | yeah | 17:11 |
| timsim | agreed | 17:11 |
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| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1533193 | 17:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1533193 in Designate "SQLAlchemy implicit unicode conversion" [Undecided,New] | 17:11 |
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| mugsie | Med, M3 | 17:11 |
| Kiall | theres also a patch up, not sure if it's 100% of the implicit conversions tho | 17:12 |
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| timsim | alright | 17:12 |
| mugsie | federico3: is it all of them, or just some? | 17:12 |
| Kiall | federico3: is that it all of them, or just some? | 17:12 |
| timsim | O.o | 17:12 |
| mugsie | ? | 17:12 |
| Kiall | he must be AFK again on the all-hands | 17:12 |
| federico3 | uhm? | 17:12 |
| Kiall | any more timsim/ | 17:12 |
| Kiall | ?* | 17:12 |
| * mugsie is confused | 17:13 | |
| timsim | yeah | 17:13 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1533299 | 17:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1533299 in Designate "Wildcard NS records are not allowed by backend like BIND" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to James Li (james-li-3) | 17:13 |
| mugsie | I saw a tweet about this | 17:13 |
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| mugsie | I dont think that they are valid, are they? | 17:13 |
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| Kiall | Oo, that's .. yea. that's a bug. likely more than just NS records too | 17:13 |
| mugsie | Kiall: you are a walking RFC | 17:13 |
| Kiall | mugsie: wildcard isn't a RFC thing | 17:13 |
| mugsie | C - M3 then | 17:14 |
| federico3 | mugsie, Kiall: you mean my CR? That fixes other warnings, the Unicode conversions are still to be fixed | 17:14 |
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| Kiall | federico3: ah | 17:14 |
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| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1533301 | 17:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1533301 in Designate "No TTL shown up after a successful record creation" [Undecided,New] | 17:14 |
| Kiall | mugsie: ++ | 17:14 |
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| mugsie | not a bug | 17:14 |
| timsim | Re: ^^ some preview users of ours thought this was weird | 17:14 |
| Kiall | yea, i want to sat that's a featue? | 17:15 |
| mugsie | if ttl is set to null it inherits from the domain | 17:15 |
| Kiall | How do you tell if changing the domain TTL will change a record or not? | 17:15 |
| timsim | mugsie: Which is also weird | 17:15 |
| Kiall | lol | 17:15 |
| timsim | It should probably at least show the TTL of the zone, if it inherits? | 17:15 |
| mugsie | but, we need to show that it is inherited | 17:16 |
| mugsie | some how. | 17:16 |
| Kiall | timsim: I guess it's not 100% intuative, though, I'm not sure we can change that field. Maybe add a "inherited_tll: BLA" when it's inherating? | 17:16 |
| mugsie | anyway - not a bug, and might be an API change, so I would prefer a spec | 17:16 |
| mugsie | personally | 17:16 |
| mugsie | :) | 17:16 |
| Kiall | Yea, it would be an API change to fix :/ | 17:16 |
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| mugsie | not a bug in the "as-designed" sense | 17:17 |
| federico3 | what would happen if the domain TTL is changed? | 17:17 |
| timsim | I mean, I think we'd be fine if it just showed the TTL. Rather than having a null TTL. | 17:17 |
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| pglass | yeah, why not just allow a default ttl that's non-null | 17:17 |
| Kiall | timsim: but, that means there's no mechanism to see which records will be affected by changing the domains TTL | 17:17 |
| mugsie | timsim: but we need a way for users to know what TTLs will change when the zones TTL changes | 17:17 |
| Kiall | e.g. if the domain has a TTL = 60, and recordA has TTL=None, and recordB has TTL=60. | 17:17 |
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| timsim | How about just a default record TTL? | 17:18 |
| timsim | ayo jbratton | 17:18 |
| Kiall | If we replace the NULL with 60, the user has no way to tell that changing the domain TTL will affect recordA but not recordB | 17:18 |
| mugsie | it is a default ttl, on a per zone basis | 17:18 |
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| jbratton | timsim: what's up? | 17:18 |
| federico3 | what's the advantage of inheritance over default? | 17:18 |
| timsim | jbratton: Would you want a default record TTL to be different from a default zone ttl? | 17:18 |
| federico3 | if the domain TTL is changed, do we immediatly update all records with TTL=None? | 17:18 |
| mugsie | it is the same as a zone file if you do not specify the TTL for the record | 17:18 |
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| mugsie | federico3: no, we update the zone ttl, and the DNS server will do that | 17:19 |
| jbratton | timsim: nope, doesn't matter to me, I'd just like the default to be propagated and visible on the records | 17:19 |
| mugsie | http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns/apa/ttl.html | 17:19 |
| Kiall | jbratton: makes sense.. timsim maybe we circle back in open discussion at the end ;) | 17:20 |
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| timsim | Sure. | 17:20 |
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| mugsie | we are ok, keep it heree IMO | 17:20 |
| mugsie | i think the route forward is to spec out a way of showing the value that will be used, and indicating that it is inherited from the zone | 17:20 |
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| jbratton | it just seemed counterintuitive to me that you could remove the TTL setting from a record to get back to the default | 17:21 |
| jbratton | but absolutely agreed on just documenting it out | 17:21 |
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| mugsie | jbratton: thats how you do it in Bind ;) | 17:21 |
| federico3 | users might get confused over inheritance VS default | 17:21 |
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| jbratton | federico3: yeah, that's the part I am concerned with | 17:21 |
| mugsie | timsim: you want to organise the effort for that? | 17:22 |
| jbratton | I'd say just as long as it is documented and clear | 17:22 |
| mugsie | and we can circle back next week? | 17:22 |
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| timsim | Effort being: figure out what we want to do about this? | 17:22 |
| mugsie | yeah | 17:22 |
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| mugsie | we will have a few options | 17:22 |
| timsim | Sure. | 17:23 |
| mugsie | starting with docs only update all the way to API change | 17:23 |
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| timsim | Alright, moving on then. | 17:23 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1533402 | 17:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1533402 in Designate "More record validation is needed" [Undecided,New] | 17:23 |
| mugsie | well, that is true | 17:23 |
| Kiall | lol | 17:23 |
| timsim | These were a couple other things jbratton brought up that BIND9 will reject a zone for | 17:24 |
| mugsie | yeah - H, M3 | 17:24 |
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| Kiall | re (3) SSHFP record allowed -0 as fp_type | 17:24 |
| Kiall | 0 is reserved, but, not necessarily always invalid. | 17:24 |
| timsim | He might mean minus0 | 17:25 |
| Kiall | i.e. should we have to made a code change for ever new supported algorithm? | 17:25 |
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| Kiall | Ah, well.. I have no clue how JSON/Python interact with a -0. lol | 17:25 |
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| jbratton | yeah, I was surprised about the -0 being allowed, and BIND didn't like it :) | 17:26 |
| james_li | the validator type is now 'integer', wonder if there is 'non-negative integer' :) | 17:26 |
| Kiall | jbratton: oh, it actually goes all the way through? | 17:26 |
| jbratton | oh yeah, it tried to send it along | 17:26 |
| Kiall | james_li: you add on a min / max valiator | 17:26 |
| mugsie | james_li: I diont think there is, but we cna make one | 17:26 |
| james_li | its there now | 17:26 |
| Kiall | jbratton: nice. That's, heh. | 17:26 |
| timsim | But yeah, I mean if there's a certain corpus of valid values, our validation should only let those through. | 17:27 |
| jbratton | don't even know what made me think to test that :) | 17:27 |
| Kiall | typo? ;) | 17:27 |
| jbratton | haha, we'll go with that | 17:27 |
| Kiall | Anyway, H->M2/3.. It's clearly no good. | 17:27 |
| timsim | cool | 17:27 |
| mugsie | M3 | 17:27 |
| timsim | That's it :) | 17:27 |
| mugsie | (m2 is being cooked as we speak) | 17:27 |
| Kiall | :) | 17:27 |
| mugsie | #topic Designate/Neutron Integration Update (mlavalle - recurring) | 17:28 |
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| mlavalle | mugsie: hi | 17:28 |
| mugsie | mlavalle: you were here with time to spare :) | 17:28 |
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| mlavalle | mugsie: we made good progress this week | 17:28 |
| Kiall | (hamster) <-- this looks better in HipChat) | 17:28 |
| mugsie | I saw good reviews coming in on the patch alright | 17:29 |
| elarson | Kiall: if you could see it in emacs it would blow your mind (emo) | 17:29 |
| mlavalle | I moved all the REST calls to designate out of Neutron core plugin transaction, tested all the code and pushed for review | 17:29 |
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| mlavalle | Yeserday I got a review from carl_baldwin. He was generally pleased. The next big step will be to also move all the REST to designate out of the L3 service plugin | 17:30 |
| mlavalle | this service plugin implements floating ips | 17:30 |
| mlavalle | this will take 2 or 3 days. After that, I will push again and I think we will be very close to the end | 17:30 |
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| mugsie | mlavalle: great. thanks for all the work you have put in on this | 17:31 |
| Kiall | ^ x2 | 17:31 |
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| mlavalle | glad to be here and be of help :-) | 17:31 |
| mugsie | any questions? | 17:31 |
| mlavalle | I am really enjoying. | 17:32 |
| mlavalle | Learning a lot on top of that | 17:32 |
| mugsie | :) | 17:32 |
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| mlavalle | that's all for me today | 17:32 |
| mugsie | OK, thanks mlavalle | 17:32 |
| mugsie | #topic sonuk: Blueprint for designate-bandit: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/26092 | 17:32 |
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| mugsie | sonuk: I saw you were here | 17:32 |
| sonuk | yep | 17:33 |
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| mugsie | do you want to give an overview of this spec? | 17:33 |
| sonuk | mugsi: I hve submitted some patch | 17:33 |
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| sonuk | mugsie: I hve submitted some patch | 17:33 |
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| mugsie | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260925 | 17:33 |
| Kiall | also | 17:34 |
| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266671/ | 17:34 |
| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266721 | 17:34 |
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| Kiall | sonuk: so, nobody last week really knew anything about bandit, other than it does some kinda of security testing? | 17:34 |
| mugsie | yeah - what does this do to designate to test our service? | 17:35 |
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| sonuk | kiall: yep its a security analyzer | 17:35 |
| timsim | It generates some pretty cool reports...one of our security guys ran it on Designate at some point. | 17:35 |
| mugsie | so it does static analysis on the code? cool. | 17:36 |
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| sonuk | kiall: yes it does it on python code base | 17:36 |
| mugsie | OK, if we are all OK with this, and it doesnt break the gate, I say we get it merged asap? | 17:36 |
| federico3 | it's blacklist based: it applies a set of critearias looking for known code smells, e.g. and hardcoded password, suspicious SQL generation... | 17:36 |
| mugsie | timsim: Kiall can we try and merge it by end of week? | 17:37 |
| Kiall | sonuk: So, with the set of rules in your patch, is it passing today? | 17:37 |
| pglass | i can get ccneil to look at it too | 17:37 |
| Kiall | (i.e. if we merge, and merge the gate changes, are we blocked :)) | 17:37 |
| timsim | http://i.imgur.com/ftrkICC.png | 17:37 |
| sonuk | kiall: yes . but i need to work on infra side. | 17:37 |
| timsim | But yeah, we should merge | 17:37 |
| mugsie | pglass: yeah, he looked at it before from what I remember | 17:38 |
| Kiall | Cool, so long as it's passing, OK seeing it go in as a gate | 17:38 |
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| mugsie | #action cores review bandit patch | 17:38 |
| mugsie | #topic sonuk: tempest plugin implementation | 17:38 |
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| mugsie | and another one for you sonuk :) | 17:38 |
| mugsie | was this something you wanted us to talk about, or did you want to put forward an idea/ | 17:39 |
| mugsie | ?* | 17:39 |
| sonuk | mugsie: yep. I am working on that | 17:39 |
| * mugsie didnt relaise there was a plugin interface till last week :) | 17:39 | |
| Kiall | Cool, It'd be great to have it tied into tempest properly, now that they have a plugin interface! We keep hitting silly gate issues, which it seems this helps fix | 17:40 |
| mugsie | OK, great. do you need anything from us for it? or was this a heads up that is on the way? | 17:40 |
| mugsie | it is great to have it :) | 17:40 |
| mugsie | ok, any questions for sonuk ? | 17:41 |
| mugsie | if not .... thanks for all the work sonuk :) | 17:41 |
| Kiall | Nope, happy to see it ;) | 17:41 |
| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 17:41 |
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| Kiall | ehem. | 17:41 |
| mugsie | ? | 17:41 |
| Kiall | #topic Backports ;) | 17:41 |
| mugsie | i was just testing you | 17:42 |
| mugsie | #topic Stable Backport Triage (kiall - recurring) | 17:42 |
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| Kiall | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/483788/ | 17:42 |
| elarson | !m mugsie | 17:42 |
| openstack | elarson: Error: "m" is not a valid command. | 17:42 |
| Kiall | Sure you were... | 17:42 |
| mugsie | 100% ... not | 17:42 |
| Kiall | As usual, take a few mins to review changes landed since last week, nominate anything that needs backporting | 17:42 |
| Kiall | 6fa134a Merge "Update periodic-sync-seconds help" | 17:42 |
| Kiall | 51b4869 Merge "Tox: ignore Rope dirs" - maybe? seems harmless either way. | 17:43 |
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| mugsie | thats it I think | 17:44 |
| mugsie | both look good | 17:44 |
| Kiall | both are tiny, and federico3's, mind doing the cherry-picks federico3? | 17:44 |
| timsim | agreed | 17:44 |
| federico3 | no prob | 17:44 |
| mugsie | #action federico3 backpoort 6fa134a and 51b4869 | 17:45 |
| mugsie | ok then | 17:45 |
| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 17:45 |
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| Kiall | ehem... | 17:45 |
| Kiall | kidding, you didn't forget anything - again ;) | 17:45 |
| mugsie | any one have any off agenda items? | 17:45 |
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| mugsie | going once | 17:46 |
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| mugsie | .... twice | 17:46 |
| mugsie | and ..... | 17:46 |
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| mugsie | gone! | 17:46 |
| Kiall | Cya :) | 17:47 |
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| mugsie | OK, enjoy the rest of the day everyone - have 15 mins back | 17:47 |
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| mugsie | #endmeeting | 17:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:47 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 13 17:47:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-01-13-17.03.html | 17:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-01-13-17.03.txt | 17:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-01-13-17.03.log.html | 17:47 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:47 |
| federico3 | o/ | 17:47 |
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| cp16net | #startmeeting trove | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 13 18:01:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cp16net. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:01 |
| vkmc | o/ | 18:01 |
| cp16net | howdy everyone | 18:01 |
| johnma | o/ | 18:01 |
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| imandhan | o/ | 18:01 |
| amrith | ./ | 18:02 |
| vkmc | howdy :) | 18:02 |
| tosky | hi | 18:02 |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:02 |
| cp16net | #topic Trove pulse update | 18:02 |
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| cp16net | #link http://bit.ly/1VQyg00 | 18:02 |
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| atomic77 | o//~~~ | 18:03 |
| cp16net | we've had a huge up tick in reviews this past week | 18:03 |
| cp16net | and many of the small patches were merged | 18:03 |
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| cp16net | cleared out the queue quite a bit | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | o/ | 18:05 |
| cp16net | great work all around | 18:05 |
| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:05 |
| cp16net | i'd like to official welcome johnma to the core team! | 18:06 |
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| johnma | thank you cp16net | 18:07 |
| johnma | look forward to working with all of you :) | 18:07 |
| cp16net | w00t | 18:07 |
| amrith | welcome johnma | 18:07 |
| johnma | thanks Amrith :) | 18:07 |
| cp16net | i dont have anything else releated to the pulse | 18:08 |
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| cp16net | moving on | 18:08 |
| cp16net | #topic Use of TODO in the source code | 18:08 |
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| cp16net | i believe peterstac put this on the meeting | 18:09 |
| peterstac | yep | 18:09 |
| peterstac | I noticed that there are a lot of TODO messages in the source code | 18:09 |
| cp16net | true | 18:09 |
| peterstac | (quick count of 109) | 18:09 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:09 |
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| peterstac | Most of them are old and maybe not relevant anymore | 18:09 |
| cp16net | thats very possible | 18:10 |
| peterstac | My thought is that there probably aren't too many good reasons to use TODO | 18:10 |
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| peterstac | when most of them would be better suited to launchpad bugs | 18:10 |
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| peterstac | (I'm not suggesting we get rid of all the ones that exist at once, but maybe that we try to not add any more) | 18:11 |
| atomic77 | This is related to the discussion we had about formalizing the tech debt at last midcycle, i'd think | 18:11 |
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| peterstac | sure (and as such, if we decide to remove them it would be at the start of a cycle) | 18:11 |
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| peterstac | Just wanted to know what everyone else thought | 18:11 |
| cp16net | so my take is that a TODO in a commit would be ok as long as its refering to a bug | 18:11 |
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| peterstac | (especially about not adding more if not absolutely necessary) | 18:12 |
| atomic77 | cp16net, what about a 'tech debt' kind of todo? | 18:12 |
| cp16net | i'd think most of them are reletated to something reguarding tech debt | 18:13 |
| peterstac | The issue I have with 'TODO' is that it's not tracked, and there's no mechanism to discuss anything | 18:13 |
| atomic77 | i'd think the last thing we'd want is to discourage a dev , at the time of writing, to leave a note in there saying something like "uh, this doesn't work for this case" if we add too much overhead | 18:13 |
| cp16net | peterstac: right but if there was a bug related to the todo it would make more sense would it not? | 18:13 |
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| cp16net | atomic77: i'd agree because then that comment or thought will be forever lost | 18:14 |
| peterstac | sure (although even then you could argue that it's not necessary) | 18:14 |
| atomic77 | the py27 checkers enforce that todos have a user name associated with them i think | 18:14 |
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| atomic77 | i'm sure someone has some scripts which can extract all of these into a nice report that we can pulll once in a while | 18:15 |
| cp16net | i'm not sure about that | 18:15 |
| amrith | peterstac, are you asking the question about whether to have 'TODO's' in the code or enter bugs, or what we do about fixing the TODO's already in the code? | 18:15 |
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| cp16net | but i always append my nick to the todo i write | 18:15 |
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| atomic77 | peterstac, I think that they are tracked, in a sense, as long as the username is there | 18:16 |
| amrith | ... or something else. | 18:16 |
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| pmackinn_ | o/ | 18:16 |
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| dougshelley66 | i believe he is saying that if there are bugs/improvements noted they should be in launchpad | 18:16 |
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| dougshelley66 | orphaning that info in the code is a waste of time | 18:16 |
| dougshelley66 | some of the TODOs, even though they have userids on them are totally meaningless | 18:17 |
| dougshelley66 | and now the people are gone | 18:17 |
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| dougshelley66 | we have no idea what they meant | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | I personally think TODO's in code are useful — sometimes when I'm reading code, I get context as to why a certain piece of code might not work in a certain case. I suppose you could make the argument that a comment would suffice, but then a TODO is a comment, so that's just semantics. | 18:17 |
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| pmackinn_ | ide like pycharm parse TODO, no? | 18:18 |
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| cp16net | pmackinn_: yea it does | 18:18 |
| cp16net | (i dont use it) | 18:18 |
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| amrith | thx dougshelley66, I agree. If this were a vote, I'd vote LP. #TODO is just a comment. Requiring a specific IDE seems like a bad idea. I use emacs (real people's IDE). | 18:18 |
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| pmackinn_ | oh man | 18:19 |
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| cp16net | i think if there is a TODO that relates to a bug it should be docuemnted | 18:19 |
| cp16net | (in lp bugs) | 18:19 |
| atomic77 | TODO is not just a comment if it is consistently applied -- and i think the pep8 rule is enforced | 18:19 |
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| atomic77 | i'm finding 92 TODOs in our code base that have usernames | 18:20 |
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| atomic77 | trying my awk-fu to get a summary count :) | 18:20 |
| cp16net | if its used a doc tag for someone to reference who wrote it then it should be used as such | 18:20 |
| SlickNik | atomic77: All TODOs are comments, but all comments are not TODOs :) | 18:20 |
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| atomic77 | SlickNik, we're moving into higher philosophy here :) | 18:21 |
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| cp16net | #vote should TODOs be allowed in new code? Yes, No, Depends | 18:22 |
| cp16net | doh... | 18:22 |
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| SlickNik | So I think I agree with peterstac that we have (quite) a few TODOs in our code that should ideally have representation in LP | 18:22 |
| * amrith votes doh | 18:22 | |
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| cp16net | #startvote should TODOs be allowed in new code? Yes, No, Depends | 18:23 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: should TODOs be allowed in new code? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Depends. | 18:23 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:23 |
| cp16net | #vote Depends | 18:23 |
| pmackinn_ | #vote Depends | 18:23 |
| atomic77 | #vote yes | 18:23 |
| mvandijk | #vote no | 18:23 |
| johnma | depends | 18:23 |
| dougshelley66 | #vote No | 18:23 |
| peterstac | #vote no | 18:23 |
| amrith | #vote no | 18:23 |
| imandhan | #vote no | 18:23 |
| * peterstac would rather vote: sparingly | 18:23 | |
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| SlickNik | But instead of discouraging using TODOs, I'd probably encourage creating LP bugs for the case where a TODO represents a bug. | 18:23 |
| cp16net | note the cap* | 18:23 |
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| peterstac | SlickNik +1 | 18:24 |
| cp16net | peterstac: thats the idea of Depends | 18:24 |
| vgnbkr | Is it a valid vote with an "abstain"? | 18:24 |
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| amrith | yes, just don't #vote | 18:24 |
| cp16net | #endvote | 18:24 |
| openstack | Voted on "should TODOs be allowed in new code?" Results are | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | #vote yes | 18:24 |
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| openstack | Depends (2): pmackinn_, cp16net | 18:24 |
| openstack | Yes (1): atomic77 | 18:24 |
| openstack | No (5): dougshelley66, amrith, mvandijk, imandhan, peterstac | 18:24 |
| vgnbkr | Not voting is not the same as "abstain". | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | drat just missed it. | 18:24 |
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| cp16net | so with a majority voting to not allow todos in new code | 18:25 |
| atomic77 | well to provide some evidence for one of the arguments, some of the top TODOers: | 18:25 |
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| atomic77 | 13 tim.simpson, 7 amcreynolds :) | 18:26 |
| cp16net | heh | 18:26 |
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| pmackinn_ | sorry, unless they have an LP bug? or doesn't matter? | 18:26 |
| cp16net | if there is a todo in code i think it should be questioned then on the validity of why its there | 18:26 |
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| cp16net | i think that summarizes this topic | 18:27 |
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| cp16net | make sense? agree? | 18:27 |
| vkmc | if the TODO represents a RFE, then it's ok as long as there is a LP bug related | 18:28 |
| vkmc | IMO | 18:28 |
| vgnbkr | Are you proposing an action to examine all existing TODOs? | 18:28 |
| vkmc | but certainly that's something to ask on a review | 18:28 |
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| pmackinn_ | so review -1 if it appears? | 18:28 |
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| vkmc | I'd say 0 if it appears | 18:28 |
| cp16net | not saying its a -1 but question why | 18:28 |
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| vgnbkr | But didn't you just vote to not allow TODOs? | 18:29 |
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| cp16net | i we will figure this out more as we do it | 18:29 |
| atomic77 | i think it's reasonable for a reviewer to say "what is this TODO? is there a LP bug associated with it?" | 18:30 |
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| atomic77 | that seems to be the consensus from the vote if i understood correctly | 18:30 |
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| vkmc | atomic77++ | 18:30 |
| pmackinn_ | that sounds like -1 if LP missing in comment imo | 18:30 |
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| cp16net | i think we have a concensous on this and we will learn as we go | 18:31 |
| cp16net | i'm not saying we need to go through all the existing TODOs now | 18:31 |
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| cp16net | but if you feel like you have some spare time | 18:32 |
| cp16net | that might be useful to figure out if the todo still applies | 18:32 |
| cp16net | i'd like to move on due to time and 2 other topics on the agenda | 18:32 |
| cp16net | #topic Recent "Spam of Patches" | 18:32 |
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| mvandijk | The consensus was that no new TODOs should be allowed | 18:32 |
| cp16net | amrith: | 18:33 |
| amrith | There have been a rash of 'spam patches' of late. Wanted to know what we want to do about them. I have a couple of proposals. | 18:33 |
| amrith | But would like to hear what others have to say first. | 18:33 |
| amrith | the meeting announcement has details. | 18:33 |
| johnma | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:33 |
| amrith | hearing nothing | 18:34 |
| atomic77 | it's a bigger problem than Trove | 18:34 |
| cp16net | seems like there have been alot of small patches that we went through that would be concidered SPAM | 18:34 |
| amrith | go ahead atomic77 | 18:34 |
| atomic77 | if people are going to abuse the community in order to get ATC passes and such, there's little we can do about it - the os foundation has to do something | 18:35 |
| johnma | one thing to consider while we discuss this topic is also how we encourage those first time contributors who might have small/trivial fixes like typo fixing etc | 18:35 |
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| atomic77 | just my opinion though - at best i guess we can be more willing to outright abandon/delete patchsets we can all agree are abusive | 18:35 |
| peterstac | atomic77: well, you don't need to push up 30+ changesets to get an ATC pass | 18:35 |
| peterstac | so that's probably not the motivation | 18:36 |
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| atomic77 | peterstac, that's probably stats padding and maybe a misunderstanding of what 'benefit' the abuser gets from doing that | 18:36 |
| amrith | ok, let me drop my 2c into the mix. | 18:36 |
| amrith | As we review these kinds of changes between now and mitaka, could we take a moment to consider whether they add some feature or real value to the product. | 18:36 |
| amrith | if they don't, could we deprioritize them for review and merging in favor of features, bug fixes and other things that materially improve Trove from an end user perspective? | 18:36 |
| amrith | For example, one of the "small patches" that cp16net mentions is https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1512207. | 18:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1512207 in tuskar "Fix usage of assertions" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Swapnil Kulkarni (coolsvap) | 18:36 |
| amrith | Now there is a feeling that this may have to be considered for reversal because the change isn't all that benign. | 18:36 |
| amrith | I don't believe that all patches are like this. | 18:36 |
| amrith | but, could we take a hard look at patches before accepting them at this stage. | 18:37 |
| amrith | and focus our limited review bandwidth on things we really want in Mitaka. | 18:37 |
| amrith | that's all I have to say. | 18:37 |
| amrith | it is a proposal for all to consider. | 18:37 |
| amrith | I don't believe there is any intended 'call to action'. | 18:38 |
| pmackinn_ | amrith, so this was cross-project spam from a few (one?) individuals? | 18:38 |
| cp16net | amrith: i think bringing this up to the broader community as you have and atomic77 mentions is good step for the OS community as a whole to understand | 18:38 |
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| pmackinn_ | the so-called stylistic change? | 18:38 |
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| amrith | cp16net, I did bring it up to the broader community | 18:38 |
| amrith | and you all probably saw the response(s). | 18:39 |
| amrith | and one such change got -2'ed on Trove and for that matter in almost all projects. | 18:39 |
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| johnma | is there a way of deprioritizing a review besides not looking at it at all or -2 it? | 18:39 |
| cp16net | with Trove i think we could do better as well to help mitigate these "useless" patches | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | johnma: not that I know of. | 18:40 |
| cp16net | putting a -2 is a hard stop on patch and cant be removed unlike a -1 | 18:40 |
| amrith | johnma, SlickNik +1 | 18:41 |
| SlickNik | I mean we do de-prioritize trivial fixes once we're close to release milestones. | 18:41 |
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| amrith | don't know of a way to prioritize reviews | 18:41 |
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| cp16net | another way of managing the bugs is to refute them on LP | 18:41 |
| cp16net | but in LP it doesnt affect the review | 18:41 |
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| peterstac | cp16net, but refuting a bug on LP should justify a -1 on the changeset | 18:42 |
| cp16net | right its just another way | 18:42 |
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| peterstac | that's a pretty darn good method of deprioritizing a review (in my experience) | 18:42 |
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| cp16net | LOL | 18:42 |
| cp16net | true... | 18:43 |
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| cp16net | ok anything else regaurding this ? | 18:43 |
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| amrith | not from me cp16net | 18:43 |
| cp16net | ok thanks amrith for bringing it up | 18:44 |
| cp16net | #topic HBase (again) | 18:44 |
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| cp16net | amrith: again | 18:44 |
| amrith | How do we want to proceed with HBase? I promised to mail the ML, I did that. As expected, the feedback from several was that we should consider sahara for hbase full distributed mode | 18:44 |
| amrith | Which we plan to do, anyway. But that's not for this phase. This phase is only standalone and pseudo-distributed, both of which are single node. I'm wondering what the feeling is about going ahead with the present phase of work. | 18:44 |
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| amrith | </paste-bomb> | 18:45 |
| tosky | there have been no Sahara meetings so far since the end-of-the-year holidays, so maybe some Sahara people didn't notice it yet | 18:45 |
| amrith | code is available for review, as is a spec. | 18:45 |
| tosky | I guess it will raised during the next meeting, tomorrow | 18:45 |
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| cp16net | amrith: i need to catch up on these thread i saw on the ML still | 18:46 |
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| amrith | cp16net, ok | 18:47 |
| cp16net | my first thought is that it makes sense to have some sort of hbase support in trove even if thats not a full fledged delpoyment | 18:47 |
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| cp16net | because this is getting close to sahara we should be mindful of their position as well | 18:47 |
| cp16net | my 2 cents | 18:48 |
| cp16net | i will catch up with the ML today though | 18:48 |
| amrith | anyone else? | 18:48 |
| * pmackinn_ responded in ML and spec | 18:49 | |
| amrith | pmackinn_, yes. thx. | 18:49 |
| johnma | so Amrith, I think the spec talks about doing full distributed at a later time. If we are not planning to do this in Trove, I think the spec needs to be updated to reflect that thought | 18:49 |
| vkmc | johnma++ | 18:49 |
| amrith | johnma, it does say that. | 18:49 |
| amrith | has always said that. | 18:49 |
| amrith | see lines 465 to 468 of rst | 18:50 |
| amrith | in conjunction with line 110 | 18:50 |
| johnma | so are we planning on implementing fully distributed in Trove? I thought that was what the Sahara team was mostly concerned about | 18:50 |
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| johnma | let me check | 18:50 |
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| amrith | johnma, your question is open to interpretation. "implementing fully distributed in Trove" could be either all code in Trove, or a callout to Sahara. | 18:51 |
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| amrith | I expect to support fully distributed in Trove. Whether that is with Trove's own code, or whether it is with Sahara, that's for the O-Release timeframe. And there's much to learn between now and then. | 18:52 |
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| pmackinn_ | fully distributed is a big ask and part of that backend could arguably used for other big data workloads | 18:52 |
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| amrith | pmackinn_, ++ | 18:52 |
| pmackinn_ | thus, the slippery slope of trove standing up something beyond a "datastore" | 18:53 |
| amrith | but so is pxc, mongo, cassandra clustering | 18:53 |
| amrith | and we do those today | 18:53 |
| atomic77 | amrith, part of the confusion may be due to the fact that integration with sahara is listed in the "alternatives" section | 18:53 |
| amrith | in some fashion. | 18:53 |
| atomic77 | so just from my superficial read through, i can understand some of the confusion regarding what is intended | 18:54 |
| amrith | atomic77, go on | 18:54 |
| pmackinn_ | amrith, the reference to flat file-based storage instead of HDFS...i'd be surprised if customers were using HBase that way in prod (imho) | 18:55 |
| amrith | atomic77, are you suggesting maybe rewording the alternatives section? | 18:55 |
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| amrith | pmackinn_, in development a lot of people do just that. | 18:56 |
| amrith | and others use single node HDFS | 18:56 |
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| pmackinn_ | "prod" | 18:56 |
| atomic77 | amrith, well that, along with the Architecture for fully dist.. it's mentioned that hbase will resemble other cluster impls | 18:56 |
| amrith | a lot of Trove deployments serve dev/test and non-production use-cases. | 18:56 |
| johnma | so AMrith, I think if the spec just talks about standalone adn psuedo-distributed which is what you are targeting fo rthis release anyways, the spec will get more traction | 18:57 |
| amrith | atomic77, thanks, will look at the whole spec for those kinds of references. | 18:57 |
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| atomic77 | so I think a reasonable assumption is that the intention is to stand up all the hadoop stuff eventually | 18:57 |
| johnma | I think the major confusion is around fully distributed, if I understand things right | 18:57 |
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| amrith | johnma, ok. I can remove all references to fully distributed. | 18:57 |
| pmackinn_ | :-) | 18:57 |
| amrith | cp16net, time-check. we can continue this on #openstack-trove | 18:57 |
| johnma | just my thought Amrith | 18:57 |
| amrith | if you have other things. | 18:58 |
| amrith | johnma, all good input, thanks. | 18:58 |
| amrith | johnma, atomic77, pmackinn_, ... thx | 18:58 |
| cp16net | i have a few announcements | 18:58 |
| cp16net | #topic announcements | 18:58 |
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| cp16net | #link http://docs.openstack.org/releases/schedules/mitaka.html | 18:58 |
| cp16net | we have mitaka-2 happening next week. | 18:59 |
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| cp16net | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/trove-specs+status:open | 18:59 |
| cp16net | Lets look over the specs we have and get the code up. | 18:59 |
| cp16net | please push code up for the specs as soon as possible | 18:59 |
| cp16net | Thanks! | 18:59 |
| cp16net | thats all i have | 18:59 |
| amrith | good timing | 18:59 |
| cp16net | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 13 18:59:57 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-01-13-18.01.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-01-13-18.01.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-01-13-18.01.log.html | 19:00 |
| amrith | thx cp16net | 19:00 |
| cp16net | thx all! | 19:00 |
| johnma | thanks | 19:00 |
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| johnsom_ | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 13 20:01:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnsom_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:01 |
| sbalukoff | Howdy, howdy, folks! | 20:01 |
| rm_work | o/ | 20:01 |
| blallau | Hi | 20:01 |
| johnsom_ | Hi there. Most of us are in the room at the mid-cycle | 20:01 |
| kevinbenton | hi all, how to a make the lbaas deploy? | 20:01 |
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| blogan_ | hi | 20:02 |
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| * johnsom_ kevinbenton gets a right turn Clyde... | 20:02 | |
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| johnsom_ | #topic Announcements | 20:03 |
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| johnsom_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-mitaka-midcycle | 20:03 |
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| johnsom_ | We are taking notes in the etherpad for the mid-cycle | 20:03 |
| dougwig | kevinbenton: just use devstack | 20:04 |
| johnsom_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kosmos_2016_winter_midcycle_meetup | 20:04 |
| johnsom_ | Kosmos mid-cycle is next week. | 20:04 |
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| johnsom_ | #topic Open Discussion | 20:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:05 | |
| kevinbenton | #agreed | 20:05 |
| johnsom_ | Since we have been working in the room I figured we should go straight to open discussion for anyone not here. | 20:05 |
| johnsom_ | Any topics? | 20:05 |
| blogan_ | i like turtles | 20:05 |
| kevinbenton | #undo | 20:05 |
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| johnsom_ | Going once.... | 20:06 |
| johnsom_ | Twice... | 20:06 |
| johnsom_ | Ok, thanks folks. Fastest meeting ever.... | 20:06 |
| johnsom_ | #endmeeting | 20:07 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 13 20:07:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-01-13-20.01.html | 20:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-01-13-20.01.txt | 20:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-01-13-20.01.log.html | 20:07 |
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| dougwig | i was disenfranchised! | 20:07 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 20:07 |
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