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| dprince | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:01 |
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| trown | o/ | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 12 14:01:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dprince. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:01 |
| adarazs | o/ | 14:01 |
| jdob | o/ | 14:01 |
| eliqiao | o/ | 14:01 |
| shardy | o/ | 14:01 |
| akrivoka | hello | 14:01 |
| dprince | hi everyone | 14:01 |
| tzumainn | hiya! | 14:02 |
| derekh | hi | 14:02 |
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| dprince | #topic agenda | 14:03 |
| dprince | * bugs | 14:03 |
| dprince | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:03 |
| dprince | * CI | 14:03 |
| dprince | * Specs | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:03 | |
| dprince | * one off agenda items | 14:03 |
| dprince | * open discussion | 14:03 |
| dprince | any new on-off items to discuss this week? | 14:03 |
| dprince | say them now... or just wait until open discussion :) | 14:03 |
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| dprince | #topic bugs | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:05 | |
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| dprince | I saw Ben filed this one this week: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1532352 | 14:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1532352 in tripleo "Glance on the overcloud with Swift backend is broken" [Critical,Fix released] - Assigned to Ben Nemec (bnemec) | 14:06 |
| dprince | nice to have that fixed again | 14:06 |
| trown | is swift backend the default? | 14:07 |
| dprince | trown: for the overcloud yes | 14:07 |
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| dprince | trown: and perhaps that explains why this was failing too https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248492/ | 14:07 |
| trown | dprince: cool, so again points to needing post install validation | 14:08 |
| dprince | trown: Having swift as a default in the undercloud would make sense too I think | 14:08 |
| trown | indeed | 14:08 |
| dprince | trown: especially w/ IPA which allows you to go directly from Swift => Deployment Ramdisk | 14:08 |
| dprince | trown: post install validation is critical | 14:09 |
| dprince | trown: we've been without it since we switched to instack :( | 14:09 |
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| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241167/ is the patch marios is working on aiming to reinstate it | 14:10 |
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| dprince | trown: any other bugs, RDO blockers to make note of? | 14:10 |
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| d0ugal | Hey all | 14:11 |
| trown | dprince: not right now... I was not able to make any time to suss out what all is needed to move up the mitaka pin | 14:11 |
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| trown | dprince: planning on working on that today | 14:11 |
| dprince | trown: okay, thanks | 14:11 |
| dprince | one more bug, sort of related to TripleO w/ heatclient I'd mention | 14:12 |
| trown | liberty is good... minus issues with IPA that I need to track down | 14:12 |
| dprince | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-heatclient/+bug/1532326 | 14:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1532326 in python-heatclient "--template-object doesn't support nested stacks" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Dan Prince (dan-prince) | 14:12 |
| dprince | I was tinkering w/ heatclient to get it to create a stack directly from a Swift container | 14:12 |
| dprince | related to some of the workflow stuff we've got in tripleo-common... would like to get feedback on what if we took this approach rather than downloading files in our TripleO libraries first | 14:13 |
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| dprince | anyways, that is probably not a bugs discussion so lets move on | 14:14 |
| dprince | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Projects releases or stable backports (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:14 | |
| dprince | shardy: should we change this topic to be just "stable branch status updates" or something? | 14:15 |
| shardy | dprince: I guess we still have projects which need releases, so seems OK to me? | 14:15 |
| shardy | but whatever is fine with me :) | 14:15 |
| dprince | shardy: okay, we can leave as is I guess | 14:16 |
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| shardy | nothing to report re stable except the CI outage caused by a nova regression, which slagle fixed via a pin/revert | 14:16 |
| dprince | still lots of stable stuff getting backported | 14:16 |
| dprince | I was actually surprised to see the Mistral undercloud stuff in the backports queue | 14:16 |
| dprince | is that really needed? | 14:16 |
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| shardy | bnemec: ^^ | 14:17 |
| dprince | shardy: thanks | 14:18 |
| slagle | shardy: the removal of the pin is up for review and has passed ci | 14:18 |
| slagle | the nova revert landed over the weekend | 14:18 |
| dprince | I can follow up w/ bnemec on this later perhaps | 14:18 |
| shardy | slagle: ack, thanks for the update | 14:18 |
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| shardy | dprince: one thing you mentioned last week was the idea of a feature-freeze for stable, moving more to a bugfix mode, so we can make larger changes to master | 14:18 |
| shardy | is that worth a ML thread to gain consensus? | 14:19 |
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| dprince | shardy: yes, I'm just surprised to see almost halfway through Mitaka we are backporting almost everything it seems | 14:19 |
| trown | slagle: shardy, ya I can confirm that RDO liberty delorean is back passing | 14:19 |
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| dprince | shardy: and features like Mistral are really meant for the next release I think... they aren't required and default to disable for now | 14:20 |
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| trown | do we even have mistral packaged for liberty? | 14:20 |
| trown | if not it is too late | 14:20 |
| shardy | dprince: yeah, hopefully in future releases we'll be able to switch out of backport-features mode much faster, and adopt a model closer to other projects | 14:20 |
| dprince | shardy: would you like me to start the thread? or would you? | 14:20 |
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| shardy | dprince: I can do it | 14:20 |
| slagle | i already chatted with ben about the mistral backport a bit, we dont think it's needed | 14:21 |
| slagle | it just got picked up automatically | 14:21 |
| dprince | shardy: cool | 14:21 |
| slagle | i think he was going to have a go at removing it from that series | 14:21 |
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| dprince | slagle: ack, automation would it explain it | 14:21 |
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| dprince | okay, any other stable things to discuss? | 14:22 |
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| dprince | #topic CI | 14:23 |
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| shardy | I wanted to ask about network isolation - do we need any changes to the CI rack to enable that on one job? | 14:24 |
| dprince | There was some discussion on #tripleo this week about increasing the CPU could for the testenv instances I think | 14:24 |
| dprince | slagle: ^^ | 14:24 |
| slagle | oh, yes | 14:24 |
| shardy | I was hoping we could just enable it via an environment file for one of them, so we get some coverage | 14:24 |
| dprince | This is perhaps causing instability in the HA jobs? | 14:24 |
| dprince | derekh: thoughts? | 14:24 |
| slagle | the theory is that the HA job fails so much b/c the seed vm in the testenvs has only 1 vcpu and 4gb ram | 14:24 |
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| dprince | shardy: I sort of lean towards just rebuilding the testenv's I think... which would essentially give you a new environment file anyways | 14:25 |
| slagle | sbaker has recommended to always use at least 2 vcpu's for heat-engine | 14:25 |
| derekh | dprince: slagle its technially possible, we would need to rebuild the test env hosts, | 14:25 |
| trown | slagle: I have had way better success in RDOCI since switching to a beefy undercloud, I am using 16G and 4 cpus, but maybe that is overkill | 14:26 |
| shardy | slagle: there is also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259172/ which ensures we always have more than 1 worker, even with 1 CPU | 14:26 |
| derekh | any changes in the test env would be for all jobs not just one type | 14:26 |
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| shardy | >=2 CPU's is probably good, but AIUI the main issue was throwing lots of stacks at a single engine process | 14:26 |
| slagle | derekh: i didnt know if we could just script a bunch of virsh edit's or some other manual hack for now | 14:26 |
| dprince | derekh: yep, I think 2 CPU's won't hurt the other jobs anyways | 14:27 |
| derekh | we also got to be carefull not to overcommit out host CPU | 14:27 |
| dprince | derekh: we could get fancy, if we are close to overcommiting | 14:27 |
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| slagle | shardy: ok cool, that might help as well. | 14:27 |
| dprince | derekh: and have each environment contain say 3 "multi-CPU" instances | 14:27 |
| derekh | slagle: not easily, but I'm sure it would be possible with a bit of trickery | 14:28 |
| dprince | derekh: and a few single-CPU instances for the computes | 14:28 |
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| slagle | we only need the undercloud to have >1 vcpus | 14:28 |
| dprince | derekh: and use either manual tagging, or introspection to select the right ones via flavors | 14:28 |
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| derekh | I'm not sure if we are close to over committing just something we gotta be aware of | 14:28 |
| slagle | it's the undercloud's heat that is the issue | 14:28 |
| slagle | so we could just bump the seed_* vm's | 14:29 |
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| dprince | yeah, if it is just that instance I feel like we can just do it to the see | 14:29 |
| derekh | tbh, I would kinnd be tempted to prioritize OVB over this, then we can have any flavors VM instances we want | 14:29 |
| dprince | seed | 14:29 |
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| dprince | derekh: yeah, we are definately due for a rebuild | 14:30 |
| dprince | okay, perhaps we ponder these things a bit and sync up on #tripleo later? | 14:30 |
| derekh | just upping the CPU for the seed would be doable fairly easilly, maybe a few hour work | 14:30 |
| derekh | ok | 14:30 |
| dprince | It would be nice to see the HA jobs stablilize if it doesn't cost us too much though | 14:31 |
| dprince | any other CI things? | 14:31 |
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| dprince | #topic Specs | 14:32 |
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| d0ugal | Is this spec ready to be merged? https://review.openstack.org/239056 | 14:33 |
| dprince | d0ugal: sure, I will land it if nobody has objection I think | 14:33 |
| slagle | it is as far as I'm concerned :) | 14:33 |
| dprince | d0ugal: the only thing unclear about it would be which API it talks to: TripleO API vs. say Mistral | 14:34 |
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| slagle | there are no objections on the spec, i say land it :) | 14:34 |
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| dprince | d0ugal: but I don't think that blocks this spec... | 14:34 |
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| d0ugal | dprince: agreed | 14:34 |
| d0ugal | akrivoka: ^ | 14:34 |
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| dprince | d0ugal: +A | 14:35 |
| akrivoka | great, thanks d0ugal for bringing that up | 14:35 |
| akrivoka | thanks dprince :) | 14:36 |
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| dprince | related to the TripleO API spec I started a new mailing list thread about Mistral vs. TripleO API | 14:37 |
| dprince | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/083757.html | 14:37 |
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| d0ugal | oh, I missed that. Will need to read and reply - thanks | 14:38 |
| dprince | d0ugal: yes, please do | 14:38 |
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| dprince | #topic open discussion | 14:40 |
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| dprince | plenty of time to talk about whatever this week I think | 14:41 |
| dprince | I would put a plug in to review the Sahara patches | 14:41 |
| d0ugal | I was going to talk about the swift/workflow/API stuff, but I'll just catch up with the new thread and reply to it | 14:41 |
| dprince | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220863/ | 14:41 |
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| dprince | Ethan has had sahara and trove patches posted for some time... so it would be nice to get to these | 14:42 |
| dprince | d0ugal: we can talk about swift/workflow/API now if you want too, your call | 14:42 |
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| dprince | d0ugal, jtomasek: I'm working on prototyping a few Mistral actions as a demo of how a swift container -> heat deploy could work | 14:45 |
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| dprince | seems there are some questions about how that might work... so I'm tinkering | 14:45 |
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| d0ugal | dprince: The main new thought is: do we need to store the templates at all? Users could use the defailts in /usr/share/... or they could give us a git repo that we can deploy | 14:45 |
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| d0ugal | dprince: how they give us templates could be pluggable, supporting various sources. | 14:46 |
| dprince | d0ugal: Perhaps. I think storing them makes sense in that it would allow end users to upload custom version of templates | 14:46 |
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| d0ugal | dprince: Basically this would offload the versioning etc. to whatever the user is using | 14:46 |
| dprince | d0ugal: and creating a Mistral action that uploads from /usr/share (on the undercloud) if no templates have been provided would be fairly easy I think | 14:47 |
| d0ugal | dprince: but wouldn't most users advanced enough to have custom templates store them in git or similar anyway? | 14:47 |
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| dprince | d0ugal: the git solution still seems a bit fancy to me, in that heatclient doesn't support deploying directly from Git | 14:47 |
| d0ugal | and I still don't understand how some of the swift issues are going to be resolved, but I guess I need to read your thread. | 14:47 |
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| jdob | the biggest reason for storing them is going to be for upgrades | 14:48 |
| dprince | d0ugal: but it does (almost) support deploying directly from Swift | 14:48 |
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| jdob | you're going to need more than one version of the templates available at a time | 14:48 |
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| d0ugal | jdob: ah, I didn't know about that. | 14:48 |
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| d0ugal | jtomasek: ^ | 14:48 |
| dprince | d0ugal: swifts issues? | 14:48 |
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| d0ugal | dprince: Mostly what was covered in the previous thread, so I'll no repeat here but I'll add them to your thread if relevant | 14:49 |
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| dprince | d0ugal: cool. I've taken to trying to get heatclient to deploy directly from Swift | 14:49 |
| dprince | d0ugal: this works for me for example: http://paste.openstack.org/show/483595/ | 14:50 |
| tzumainn | I think the real question here is whether it makes sense for us to make template storage independent of the deployment process, so that we don't force the user to store the templates in a certain way | 14:50 |
| jdob | just make sure it's developer friendly :) | 14:50 |
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| jdob | having to go through a shit ton of steps to get a one line change to the templates in a usable place really pisses people off :) | 14:50 |
| d0ugal | dprince: Right, but that still doesn't guarantee a consistent view of all the files does it? | 14:51 |
| jtomasek | o/ | 14:51 |
| tzumainn | jdob, right, so I think we're trying to get to a place where we say, "store the templates however you want, we won't deal with it" | 14:51 |
| jdob | IMO, what you more want is to say "Here are some options for storing them" | 14:51 |
| jdob | and provide adapters to different things | 14:51 |
| tzumainn | and behind the scenes, we allow them to specify, say, the file system or git, with potential expansions | 14:51 |
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| tzumainn | tomato, tomato | 14:52 |
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| tzumainn | my wording makes it sound like we're being more accommodating : ) | 14:52 |
| d0ugal | jdob: We could store templates only for historical purposes | 14:52 |
| dprince | tzumainn: we can add to our storage options long term | 14:52 |
| jdob | ya, ok; for some reason, I read yours as "we're not doing anything" | 14:52 |
| jdob | but we're saying the same thing | 14:52 |
| dprince | tzumainn: but I'd like heatclient to be the thing that supports the various backends | 14:52 |
| d0ugal | jdob: so, we deploy from git (for example) and always keep a copy of what was just deployed | 14:52 |
| dprince | tzumainn: or perhaps Heat | 14:52 |
| d0ugal | jdob: The only way to update that copy is to deploy again | 14:52 |
| dprince | tzumainn: not some hand-rolled TripleO mechanism we create I think | 14:52 |
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| jdob | Heat, not heat client IMO | 14:52 |
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| jdob | we don't want that functionality tied to a python client | 14:53 |
| jdob | d0ugal: i'd be curious to see dev feedback on a git option; it seems to work for the OpenShift cases | 14:53 |
| dprince | jdob: right, well by wrapping a Client w/ a Mistral action we essentially give ourselves an API | 14:53 |
| jdob | people not hating the idea of committing every small change to see what happens | 14:53 |
| dprince | jdob: so we can use existing clients... and get an API for freee | 14:53 |
| d0ugal | jdob: Yeah, I was saying to jtomasek that we need user feedback for this :) | 14:53 |
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| dprince | at the end of the day, the new workflow will be no different than using --templates option we have today | 14:54 |
| dprince | totally transparent in fact | 14:54 |
| jdob | dprince: apples and oranges; I'm not saying mistral or not, i'm saying we shouldn't add new functionality like that that's not available to non-heat client users, much less tripleo users | 14:54 |
| jtomasek | d0ugal, jdob: I have the questions ready for john browning when he gets back from POC | 14:55 |
| dprince | jdob: right, I'm thinking on the same lines | 14:55 |
| jdob | cool | 14:55 |
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| jdob | jtomasek: i'm not sure who that is :) | 14:55 |
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| dprince | jdob: just saying that adding support to heatclient for deploying from Swift is really easy | 14:55 |
| jdob | and i'm saying that's the wrong place to add it | 14:55 |
| dprince | jdob: we already have the --template-object option for quite a while | 14:55 |
| jtomasek | jdob: SA who helps us with testing the GUI | 14:55 |
| jdob | jtomasek: ah | 14:55 |
| dprince | jdob: I'm saying we use it there now, and it doesn't matter to us | 14:55 |
| dprince | jdob: and if Heat gets the capability long term then we can switch to it | 14:56 |
| dprince | jdob: we can't wait for Heat to add this to its API now | 14:56 |
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| dprince | jdob: it forces us into a really bad place I think | 14:56 |
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| dprince | jdob: I would like it in the API I think though, just not willing to wait for that especially when I think it doesn't matter for us right now | 14:57 |
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| dprince | jdob: see my "alternatives" comments here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265478/2/specs/mitaka/heatclient-environment-object.rst | 14:57 |
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| jdob | i might be missing something, isn't this just for your "tinkering"? or is this something super time sensitive? | 14:58 |
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| jdob | actually, we're pretty grossly off topic from the meeting, we can shelve that if you have other stuff to discuss | 14:58 |
| dprince | jdob: to me it is realted to TripleO APi conversation | 14:58 |
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| dprince | jdob: if we can't create a deployment workflow without TripleO API and or heat API changes we are in trouble | 14:59 |
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| dprince | jdob: nothing else to discuss | 14:59 |
| dprince | and we are out of time | 14:59 |
| tzumainn | why are client changes better than api changes... ? | 14:59 |
| jdob | isn't that what caused merge.py in the first place? | 14:59 |
| dprince | tzumainn: not better, faster | 14:59 |
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| dprince | jdob: totally different than merge.py | 15:00 |
| tzumainn | dprince, I confess that I'm a bit leery of the 'faster' solution | 15:00 |
| dprince | times up here more in #tripleo | 15:00 |
| dprince | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 12 15:00:26 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-01-12-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| jdob | \o | 15:00 |
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| ttx | o/ | 15:01 |
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| matrohon | hi bgpvpn guys | 15:01 |
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| matrohon | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 12 15:02:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matrohon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| matrohon | doude, enikher, pcarver : around? | 15:03 |
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| pcarver | matrohon: I'm around but in an in person meeting | 15:04 |
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| pcarver | I'll try to monitor the discussion | 15:04 |
| matrohon | pcarver, hi | 15:04 |
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| matrohon | this meeting shouldn't last too long, not much to discuss today | 15:05 |
| matrohon | #topic announcement | 15:05 |
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| matrohon | the backport of the bgpvpn code for juno is ready | 15:05 |
| matrohon | thanks doude :) | 15:06 |
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| matrohon | I encourage anybody interested to test the backport/juno branch | 15:06 |
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| matrohon | nobody seems around to discuss other topics | 15:08 |
| doude | matrohon: just a remark about the juno backport. I did not remove the ODL driver but I did not test it | 15:08 |
| doude | and vthapar prefer to remove it | 15:08 |
| doude | so I still have that to do | 15:09 |
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| matrohon | doude : ok let's create a bug to track this down | 15:09 |
| doude | yes | 15:09 |
| matrohon | doude : can you do that | 15:09 |
| doude | sure | 15:09 |
| matrohon | doude thanks | 15:09 |
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| enikher | hey | 15:10 |
| matrohon | anybody wants to discuss anything related to bgpvpn? | 15:10 |
| matrohon | enikher, hi | 15:11 |
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| enikher | we are about to include the tempest test into opnfv setup | 15:11 |
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| matrohon | enikher we don't have much to discuss today, except for the announcement | 15:11 |
| matrohon | enikher, great! | 15:11 |
| enikher | it is fully automated , so if temepst testcase is added to bgpvpn repo next opnfv run will test it! | 15:12 |
| enikher | I will let you know when it succeeds the first time :-) | 15:13 |
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| matrohon | enikher, tempest tests have already been merged in the bgpvpn repo | 15:15 |
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| matrohon | enikher, I'm not sure to follow you | 15:16 |
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| matrohon | If nobody has anything to say, I propose to close the meeting | 15:18 |
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| matrohon | let's wait one more minute | 15:19 |
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| matrohon | thanks for this fast meeting :) | 15:20 |
| matrohon | #endmeeting | 15:20 |
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| hongbin | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 12 16:00:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-01-12_1600_UTC | 16:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
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| madhuri | o/ | 16:01 |
| Tango | o/ | 16:01 |
| houming | o/ | 16:01 |
| HimanshuGarg | o/ | 16:01 |
| hongbin | o/ | 16:01 |
| muralia | o/ | 16:01 |
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| rpothier_ | o/ | 16:01 |
| sew1 | o/ | 16:01 |
| Kennan | o/ | 16:01 |
| levi_b | o/ | 16:01 |
| eghobo | o/ | 16:01 |
| rods | o/ | 16:01 |
| tcammann | hullo | 16:02 |
| hongbin | Thanks for joining the meeting madhuri Tango houming HimanshuGarg muralia rpothier_ sew1 Kennan levi_b eghobo rods tcammann | 16:02 |
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| muralia | hi everyone. hi hongbin | 16:02 |
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| hongbin | hey | 16:02 |
| vilobhmm11 | o/ | 16:02 |
| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
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| dimtruck | o/ | 16:03 |
| hongbin | 1) adrian_otto is absent today, so hongbin is our pro-tem chair. | 16:03 |
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| thomasem-away | o/ | 16:03 |
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| thomasem | o/ | 16:03 |
| hongbin | Any other announcement from our team member? | 16:03 |
| hongbin | hi vilobhmm11 dimtruck thomasem | 16:03 |
| vilobhmm11 | hi hongbin | 16:04 |
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| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 16:04 |
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| hongbin | 1) adrian_otto to plan midcycle by ML (Completed) | 16:04 |
| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/083785.html | 16:04 |
| hongbin | #topic Container Networking Subteam Update (daneyon) | 16:04 |
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| hongbin | It looks daneyon is not here | 16:05 |
| hongbin | Here is the previous meeting: | 16:05 |
| hongbin | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2016 | 16:05 |
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| hongbin | In the last networking meeting, we have a agreed | 16:06 |
| tcammann | I think he was planning to fold the subteam back into the Magnum team | 16:06 |
| hongbin | tcammann yes | 16:06 |
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| hongbin | AGREED: Move the subteam meeting back to the general magnum meeting | 16:06 |
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| hongbin | Any concern about that? | 16:06 |
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| juggler | o/ | 16:07 |
| hongbin | OK. Let's move on | 16:07 |
| suro-patz | o/ | 16:07 |
| hongbin | #topic Magnum UI Subteam Update (bradjones) | 16:07 |
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| hongbin | Brad has a conflict and won’t be able to attend today. | 16:07 |
| hongbin | #topic Essential Blueprint Updates | 16:08 |
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| hongbin | 1) Magnum APIs Test coverage in Tempest Lib (dimtruck) | 16:08 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-tempest | 16:08 |
| dimtruck | looks like magnum apis tests landed | 16:08 |
| dimtruck | i'm worried about swarm a little there | 16:08 |
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| hongbin | dimtruck: yes. Thanks for the great work! | 16:09 |
| dimtruck | so i'll be spending this week in figuring out why it sometimes flakes out. | 16:09 |
| dimtruck | not sure if anyeone else had any headway | 16:09 |
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| hongbin | dimtruck: I looked at your tests. It looks some testing hosts don't have enough disk space | 16:09 |
| dimtruck | hmmm | 16:10 |
| hongbin | dimtruck: Therefore, the nova scheduler weren't able to schedule a host. The bay failed | 16:10 |
| dimtruck | maybe a pre-validation of disk space would be worth it prior to running tests and skipping them otherwise | 16:10 |
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| dimtruck | i'll take a look - thanks hongbin | 16:10 |
| hongbin | Thanks dimtruck | 16:10 |
| hongbin | Any question for this blueprint? | 16:10 |
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| Kennan | make sure not use much disk space in one host. or else you need complated external volume | 16:11 |
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| dimtruck | right...i'll have some follow up questions after the meeting Kennan :) | 16:11 |
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| juggler | completed or complicated? | 16:11 |
| Tango | dimtruck: Any documentation on the tempest tests? | 16:11 |
| dimtruck | Tango: there's a bit that i added with the previous patch | 16:12 |
| dimtruck | but i should definitely expand on that | 16:12 |
| juggler | Kennan: completed or complicated? | 16:12 |
| Kennan | complicated juggler | 16:12 |
| juggler | ah | 16:12 |
| Tango | dimtruck: maybe add in the BP | 16:12 |
| dimtruck | will do! | 16:13 |
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| hongbin | Thanks dimtruck | 16:13 |
| hongbin | Next one | 16:13 |
| hongbin | 2) Magnum Troubleshooting Guide (Tango) | 16:13 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-troubleshooting-guide | 16:13 |
| hongbin | Tango: I think you have uploaded a patch for this? | 16:14 |
| vilobhmm11 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263940/ | 16:14 |
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| vilobhmm11 | looks like this got merged | 16:14 |
| Tango | We got the initial skeleton, now I am filling in the sections. Any help is welcome, especially if you know how to debug certain aspect | 16:14 |
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| Tango | I should add a section on gate debugging | 16:14 |
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| hongbin | Tango: Yes, that is good to add | 16:15 |
| Tango | I will start with networking, since that's what I am doing now and it's fresh in my mind | 16:15 |
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| dimtruck | Tango: if this helps, i have some notes here for debugging magnum gates: | 16:16 |
| dimtruck | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum_devstack_gate | 16:16 |
| Kennan | yes, it is good for cowork on this guide. just make sure not duplicate when claim one section :) | 16:16 |
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| Tango | dimtruck: That's great. would you like to fill in this section? | 16:16 |
| dimtruck | Tango: definitely | 16:16 |
| Tango | I will put in TODO list in the BP, so everyone can claim a section | 16:17 |
| Kennan | that's good way | 16:17 |
| vilobhmm11 | +1 | 16:17 |
| hongbin | Thanks Tango | 16:18 |
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| hongbin | Next one | 16:18 |
| hongbin | 3) Magnum User Guide for Cloud Operator (Tango) | 16:18 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/user-guide | 16:18 |
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| Tango | Similarly, we got the skeleton, we can follow the same approach | 16:18 |
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| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263599/ | 16:19 |
| hongbin | Thanks Tango . For others, please feel free to contribute to some sessions if you like to | 16:20 |
| hongbin | 4) resource quota (vilobhmm) | 16:20 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/resource-quota | 16:20 |
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| vilobhmm11 | the patch is out for reviewhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/259201/ | 16:20 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259201/ | 16:21 |
| vilobhmm11 | as we have a plan to discuss whether this needs a spec or not will be covered today | 16:21 |
| vilobhmm11 | this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259201/ is a base patch on the basis of which few more patches will be submitted | 16:21 |
| vilobhmm11 | dependign on exclusive magnum resources | 16:21 |
| vilobhmm11 | like baymodel etc | 16:21 |
| vilobhmm11 | thats it from my end hongbin | 16:22 |
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| hongbin | Thanks vilobhmm11 . | 16:22 |
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| hongbin | I saw Jay Lau requested a spec for this blueprint | 16:23 |
| vilobhmm11 | hongbin : i personally think we don;t need a spec here | 16:23 |
| hongbin | vilobhmm11: ack | 16:23 |
| hongbin | Do anything else want a spec? | 16:23 |
| hongbin | s/anything/anyone/ | 16:23 |
| Tango | We did have a long discusson on the ML | 16:23 |
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| Kennan | I pesonal thinking spec is good to make thoughtful design | 16:23 |
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| vilobhmm11 | if we had a close intergration with heat or needed to check integraition with other projects it makes a worthwhile attempt to do a cross project spec but we don't need a spec partitularly for this blueprint resource-quota | 16:24 |
| Tango | We should at least gather the key points from the ML discussion in the BP so there is a record | 16:24 |
| Kennan | what's your resource quota related implementaion methods like TLS related | 16:25 |
| Kennan | I think spec like that make sense | 16:25 |
| Tango | Or put that in the spec to be even more formal. The spec doesn't have to be long | 16:25 |
| Kennan | as quota also a important feature | 16:25 |
| vilobhmm11 | sure…if the key points need to go somewhere then they should be in the spec | 16:25 |
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| vilobhmm11 | but if everyone agrees for a spec I can draft one and submit for review | 16:26 |
| vilobhmm11 | today | 16:26 |
| Tango | I would support that | 16:26 |
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| Kennan | I did not think spec take much effort, it only take efforts for thinking | 16:26 |
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| Kennan | +1 spec | 16:27 |
| vilobhmm11 | Kennan : its already thought of :) so we should be quick to proceed ahead…other points that I might have missed can be covered in the review | 16:27 |
| madhuri | +1 for spec | 16:27 |
| Tango | It also helps with communication, so later people won't repeat the same questions | 16:27 |
| vilobhmm11 | hongbin : ^^ | 16:27 |
| hongbin | OK. Looks everyone is happy. | 16:27 |
| vilobhmm11 | Alrite then will submit a patch for spec then | 16:27 |
| vilobhmm11 | and then we can proceed with the patches | 16:28 |
| hongbin | vilobhmm11: Thanks for your willingness for the work | 16:28 |
| hongbin | #agree vilobhmm11 will work on a spec for resource quota | 16:28 |
| Kennan | vilobhmm11: others can help submit your spec changes if they have more valueable inputs | 16:28 |
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| vilobhmm11 | hongbin : np Kennan : for sure…ideas are welcome | 16:29 |
| juggler | +1 spec , and thanks vilob for contributing to the draft :) | 16:29 |
| hongbin | Any other input for this blueprint? | 16:29 |
| vilobhmm11 | np | 16:29 |
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| hongbin | OK. Next one | 16:30 |
| hongbin | 5) Add functional testing for mesos cluster (eliqiao) | 16:30 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/mesos-functional-testing | 16:30 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: there? | 16:30 |
| hongbin | I saw the test is already there. Looks like this BP is completed | 16:31 |
| hongbin | Will confirm it with eliqiao later | 16:32 |
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| hongbin | #action hongbin confirm the latest status of meos-functional-testing with eliqiao | 16:32 |
| hongbin | Next one | 16:32 |
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| hongbin | 6) splite gate-functional-dsvm-magnum per cluster coe (eliqiao) | 16:33 |
| hongbin | Looks like this one was done as well | 16:33 |
| hongbin | #action hongbin confirm the latest status of gate-functional-dsvm-magnum with eliqiao | 16:33 |
| hongbin | We finished the essential blueprints | 16:34 |
| hongbin | Any further question before advancing topic? | 16:34 |
| vilobhmm11 | hongbin : whats the timeline for finishing the feature ? | 16:35 |
| vilobhmm11 | for magnum do we have cut-off dates to make a feature for mitaka | 16:35 |
| hongbin | vilobhmm11: I guess it is by the mitaka release date | 16:35 |
| vilobhmm11 | hongbin : ok http://docs.openstack.org/releases/schedules/mitaka.html | 16:36 |
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| vilobhmm11 | asked because few projects have there own schedule as well…wanted to be sure just in case | 16:37 |
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| hongbin | vilobhmm11: I think Magnum is flexible about the schedule | 16:37 |
| Tango | right, we have been picking our own release date | 16:37 |
| hongbin | vilobhmm11: It can be postpone if important features are not landed | 16:37 |
| vilobhmm11 | hongbin : ok | 16:37 |
| vilobhmm11 | Tango : agree | 16:38 |
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| hongbin | OK. Next topic | 16:38 |
| hongbin | #topic Midcycle | 16:38 |
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| hongbin | #link http://doodle.com/poll/k8iidtamnkwqe3hd Find a date for the Magnum Midcycle | 16:38 |
| hongbin | If you are able to attend the midcycle, please vote a date | 16:39 |
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| Kennan | hongbin do we have recording for that ? | 16:39 |
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| hongbin | Recording for the midcycle? | 16:39 |
| Kennan | yes, seems china guys not able to join that | 16:40 |
| hongbin | Generally, someone will write down the meeting logs. | 16:40 |
| hongbin | which is a summary of the key points | 16:40 |
| Kennan | any etherpad discussion topics on that day? | 16:40 |
| Tango | We have been having the live web meeting as well | 16:40 |
| Kennan | or IRC channel | 16:40 |
| hongbin | Kennan: No, we haven't decided the topics | 16:41 |
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| madhuri | Webex will be there? | 16:41 |
| Kennan | Tango: is it possible to have live web meeting ? | 16:41 |
| Kennan | not heard that in maillist | 16:41 |
| Tango | madhuri: normally we have the webex session with audio | 16:41 |
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| Tango | although it can be hard to follow | 16:42 |
| Kennan | OK. hope to have more updates what's the final related, like etherpad, topics, IRC possible, web meeting | 16:42 |
| Tango | Do we have a location yet? | 16:42 |
| hongbin | Tango: I think it is on bay area | 16:43 |
| hongbin | Tango: The HP office | 16:43 |
| hongbin | tcammann_: Do you have more details? | 16:43 |
| tcammann | If we have a date I can ask :) | 16:43 |
| tcammann | No approval yet | 16:43 |
| hongbin | We can have an AI for the PTL to pick a date? | 16:44 |
| juggler | sounds good hongbin | 16:45 |
| Tango | tcammann: is it poosible to get a pre-approval based on the potential date? looks like 2/17-19 has the most vote. | 16:45 |
| hongbin | #action Adrian Otto pick a date for midcycle based on the feedback from http://doodle.com/poll/k8iidtamnkwqe3hd | 16:45 |
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| hongbin | Any other midcycle related discussion? | 16:46 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 16:47 |
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| hongbin | 1) Jay Lau requested a spec for Resource Quota. | 16:47 |
| tcammann | Tango: I'll put an ask in tomorrow, see what I can do | 16:47 |
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| hongbin | We already disucssed the resource quota | 16:48 |
| Tango | Thanks tcammann | 16:48 |
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| hongbin | Do anyone have anything to discuss. Now is the time | 16:48 |
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| mvelten | hi there | 16:50 |
| hongbin | hi mvelten | 16:50 |
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| juggler | hey mvelten | 16:50 |
| mvelten | is there anyone working on this one ? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/support-for-different-docker-storage-driver | 16:50 |
| juggler | welcome mvelten | 16:50 |
| mvelten | we are willing to if not | 16:50 |
| hongbin | mvelten: We have discussed that before | 16:51 |
| hongbin | mvelten: I recalled we don't have agreement on this feature | 16:51 |
| mvelten | you mean in a previous meeting ? will have a look at the archives | 16:52 |
| hongbin | mvelten: Because we are not sure if this is needed by our users | 16:52 |
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| hongbin | mvelten: Yes, but in previous previous .. meeting. | 16:52 |
| hongbin | mvelten: So, basically, if some of our users asked for this feature, we will revisit it | 16:53 |
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| hongbin | mvelten: If you want to work on an item, I can help you after the meeting | 16:53 |
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| houming | As you know, we have GreatFireWall in China, how to smoothly use Magnum services without proxy? Because proxy speed is also very slow and not stable sometimes. | 16:54 |
| mvelten | great :) | 16:54 |
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| hongbin | houming: Here is the document for the proxy | 16:55 |
| hongbin | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/magnum/magnum-proxy.html | 16:55 |
| hongbin | houming: Do you read it before? | 16:56 |
| houming | yes. | 16:56 |
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| hongbin | houming: It doesn't solve what you need? | 16:56 |
| houming | I tried. but with proxy, the Swarm cluster can be successfully created, but the agent are not show in docker ps. | 16:57 |
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| houming | s/ps/info/ | 16:57 |
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| hongbin | houming: I see. Sounds like a bug in the proxy implementation? | 16:58 |
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| Kennan | no hongbin: I think it is related network slow issue (it depends on your proxy) | 16:58 |
| houming | yes, maybe. the log says etcd is not configed suceessfully. | 16:58 |
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| hongbin | houming Kennan : ack. | 16:59 |
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| houming | log info inside Fedora Atom is not enough to debug. | 16:59 |
| Tango | Restart etcd? | 16:59 |
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| hongbin | I think it will be great if you can log the issues as a ticket | 16:59 |
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| houming | Tango. restart not work:( | 16:59 |
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| Kennan | houming try like k8s or mesos what we did, it should work | 16:59 |
| houming | OK, I’ll try to reproduce and open a bug. | 17:00 |
| Kennan | for swarm, it shuold als work | 17:00 |
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| juggler | room wrap time | 17:00 |
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| hongbin | OK. Time is up | 17:00 |
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| vilobhmm11 | houming : please file a ticket with logs as hongbin mentioned we can have a deeper look. | 17:00 |
| houming | vilobhmm11 OK. | 17:00 |
| hongbin | Overflow on the openstack-containers channel | 17:00 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 12 17:00:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-01-12-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-01-12-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-01-12-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| sergmelikyan | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 12 17:00:55 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sergmelikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
| sergmelikyan | o/ | 17:01 |
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| slagun | o/ | 17:01 |
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| kzaitsev_ip_ | o/ | 17:02 |
| tlashchova_ | o/ | 17:02 |
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| sergmelikyan | We have following agenda for today: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda | 17:03 |
| kzaitsev_ip_ | will get to normal client in 2 minutes | 17:03 |
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| sergmelikyan | Please add to this agenda anything that you would like to discuss today, we have few minutes while we are on roll call | 17:03 |
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| ativelkov | o/ | 17:04 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | here I am =) | 17:06 |
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| sergmelikyan | #topic Action Items Review | 17:09 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | did we have any? =) | 17:09 |
| sergmelikyan | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-12-22-17.00.html <- meeting minutes from the last meeting | 17:09 |
| sergmelikyan | last meeting was so long time ago... | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | oh right | 17:10 |
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| sergmelikyan | #1 ativelkov to summarize the plugin usage questions in etherpad | 17:10 |
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| ativelkov | ouch | 17:10 |
| ativelkov | didn't do that, sorry | 17:10 |
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| sergmelikyan | #action ativelkov to summarize the plugin usage questions in etherpad | 17:11 |
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| sergmelikyan | ativelkov: holidays :) no worries ) | 17:11 |
| sergmelikyan | #2 release client, stable/liberty updates | 17:11 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ativelkov: which plugin is it btw? | 17:11 |
| ativelkov | kzaitsev_mb: that's not about a particular plugin | 17:11 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #2 done — 1.0.2 murano and dashboard, 0.7.2 client have been released | 17:11 |
| ativelkov | That's a general question where should plugins be in terms of pbr packages - should the plugins which we ship with murano be in the same setup.cfg or should they have their own ones | 17:12 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I've also sent corresponding mails before NY to openstack-announce =) | 17:12 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ativelkov: oh, now I remember =) | 17:14 |
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| Nikolay_St | hey | 17:16 |
| Nikolay_St | finally I'm here | 17:16 |
| katyafervent2 | I'm here too :) | 17:17 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | (= | 17:18 |
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| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: =) | 17:18 |
| Nikolay_St | traffic jam in the undeground :D | 17:18 |
| Nikolay_St | really BIG problem | 17:18 |
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| sergmelikyan | wow... traffic jam in subway? ) | 17:20 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic Abandoning milestones? | 17:20 |
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| katyafervent2 | will we have bug triage day for everyone who is interested | 17:21 |
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| sergmelikyan | katyafervent2: mmm? | 17:21 |
| kzaitsev_mb | katyafervent2: ? | 17:21 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok. so both my topics today are going to be short | 17:21 |
| sergmelikyan | katyafervent2: I mean was this question? and how it's relates to the topic of dicsussion? | 17:21 |
| katyafervent2 | before mitaka-2 release | 17:21 |
| katyafervent2 | horizon has it today :) | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | a while ago I started this discussion | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/083113.html | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | didn't get much response =) | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Would like to re-start it | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | the letter basicaly summs everything up | 17:22 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I've come to think that abandoning milestones is a good idea, and abandoning bps is a bad one | 17:23 |
| katyafervent2 | sorry, I typed before you changed the topic, let's discuss it later | 17:23 |
| kzaitsev_mb | katyafervent2: what makes you think we have such a day? I haven't seen any announcements. | 17:23 |
| katyafervent2 | kzaitsev_mb, it was a question. sorry | 17:24 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I mean. if you want to have one — we should at least write a letter to ML or smth | 17:24 |
| kzaitsev_mb | oh I see | 17:24 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok. | 17:24 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so | 17:24 |
| sergmelikyan | I still don't see a reason have one, and think that they are total waste of time :) | 17:24 |
| kzaitsev_mb | pls find some time and think about my proposal regarding milestones and bps =) | 17:25 |
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| katyafervent2 | regarding abandoning milestones | 17:25 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: Yeah... I missed fact that we can have different versions in different projects | 17:25 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: that's basically what we have now with murano-agent | 17:26 |
| katyafervent2 | I suggest to postpone it a little bit and continue to set milestones for now | 17:26 |
| kzaitsev_mb | the new scheme for stable branches allows us to have 1.0.1 murano-agent and 1.0.2 murano-dashboard for example | 17:26 |
| kzaitsev_mb | katyafervent2: why? | 17:26 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I mean | 17:26 |
| slagun | the only good thing about milestones is that by looking at LP ticket for commit you always know in which release the feature was introduced | 17:26 |
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| slagun | I'd make milestones be just "mitaka" rather than m1 etc | 17:27 |
| kzaitsev_mb | if you have any good points — pls respond the letter =) | 17:27 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | slagun: that's a good point actually. although wouldn't series cover it? | 17:28 |
| katyafervent2 | until handling with new versions become understandable to everyone. I think it is still a transition period :) | 17:28 |
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| katyafervent2 | and for that period I support Stans suggestion | 17:28 |
| slagun | kzaitsev_mb: agree. Either series or milestones. There should be only one :) | 17:29 |
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| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: can we move to the next topic? | 17:31 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sure =) I just hope, that those of you who have some opinion on the topic would find some time to answer the email ) | 17:31 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic Do we need any release model changes? | 17:31 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok, so this is also gonna be a short one | 17:33 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | and it's kind of related to the previous | 17:33 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Thierry wrote a letter recently about release model freeze around m-2 | 17:34 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/083726.html | 17:34 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so | 17:34 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | if we would like to change a release-model of any of our project we should act in the following two weeks | 17:34 |
| kzaitsev_mb | we currently have | 17:35 |
| slagun | kzaitsev_mb: let's vote on next community meeting | 17:35 |
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| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_ip_: do you think that we need change? | 17:35 |
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| katyafervent2 | I think this change is required for all official projects right ? | 17:36 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/561c848b481ad6008b0d484d5f609930f2e11a7d/reference/projects.yaml#L1979-L2023 | 17:36 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | we might want to switch our cycle-with-milestones to cycle-with-intermediary | 17:37 |
| sergmelikyan | katyafervent2: I guess no, we don't have to change anything | 17:37 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | and we might want to move murano-apps to release:independent | 17:37 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_ip_: what is the benefit of doing that in our case? | 17:37 |
| sergmelikyan | >and we might want to move murano-apps to release:independent | 17:37 |
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| sergmelikyan | I think we should continue releasing murano-apps tied to murano releases | 17:38 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I actually think murano-apps might even be release:none, but have | 17:38 |
| kzaitsev_mb | release:has-stable-branches | 17:39 |
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| Nikolay_St | agree with kzaitsev_mb here | 17:39 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | this would be more appropriate representation of how we handle murano-apps | 17:39 |
| kzaitsev_mb | that would mean we don't actually deliver a tarball or smth, but still have stable-branches, that are supported for respective murano releases | 17:40 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_ip_: disagree | 17:40 |
| slagun | +1 | 17:40 |
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| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_ip_: release:cycle-with-milestones does not relate to delivery method | 17:41 |
| sergmelikyan | and we usually build zip archive with all apps | 17:41 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #link http://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/release_cycle-with-milestones.html | 17:42 |
| kzaitsev_mb | well who needs that zip? | 17:42 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I mean does anyone ever use it? | 17:42 |
| sergmelikyan | whole murano-apps is a single entity, which contains several applications versioned toghether... we discussed this previously, but I guess we need to summarize that in e-mail and continue to discuss if needed | 17:42 |
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| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_ip_: guess, how many people downloaded tarballs with murano? | 17:42 |
| sergmelikyan | 1-2 in months? | 17:43 |
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| sergmelikyan | question is not what you attach to the launchpad page | 17:43 |
| katyafervent2 | I agree with Kirill, I haven't ever use Mirantis-apps tarball | 17:43 |
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| sergmelikyan | release:cycle-with-milestones does not say anything regarding how you deliver staff | 17:44 |
| sergmelikyan | it says how do you release that | 17:44 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: "The “release:cycle-with-milestones” tag describes which projects follow the first option: a single release at the end of the cycle" | 17:44 |
| sergmelikyan | and I think that we should continue releasing murano-apps in a same way as before - alongside with Murano | 17:44 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_ip_: yep, and? | 17:45 |
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| slagun | sergmelikyan: thats what stable branches mean. Each stable branch corresponds to murano release. But there is no need for either milestones or tarballs for murano-apps | 17:45 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok, maybe we're not really understanding each other or not understanding the release model | 17:46 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: do you want me to ping release team (thierry and dhellman) to clarify on the topic? | 17:47 |
| sergmelikyan | slagun: in murano-apps we often use features from Murano right away when they are developed | 17:47 |
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| slagun | sergmelikyan: so what? | 17:48 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_ip_: I guess we should start from understanding on our side regarding what is actually you want to archive and then see which reelase model suits better | 17:48 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: from what I understand murano-apps do not have a "release" | 17:48 |
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| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_ip_: can you share what do you consider a release? | 17:48 |
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| sergmelikyan | in my opinion tag in GIT is a release | 17:49 |
| slagun | stable branches must work on corresponding version of murano. master must work on current muster | 17:49 |
| sergmelikyan | so when we cut milestone in murano-apps we are making release | 17:49 |
| slagun | we make release by creating stable branches | 17:49 |
| sergmelikyan | slagun: not exactly milestone is also release | 17:50 |
| sergmelikyan | just beta release | 17:50 |
| slagun | I'd preffer each commit to be a beta release. That is continuous delivery | 17:50 |
| sergmelikyan | let me take action item to describe my vision regarding versioning of murano-apps, and when we will agree on that - let's talk about changing release model | 17:51 |
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| Nikolay_St | sergmelikyan: will you write a letter in ML? | 17:51 |
| sergmelikyan | Nikolay_St: yes | 17:51 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok, agree on that | 17:51 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I'll still reach out to the release-team to see if my idea (has-stable, release:none) even makes sense from their perspective =) | 17:52 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic sergmelikyan describe versioning model for murano-apps | 17:52 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | should be action ;) | 17:52 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_ip_: I would prefer to describe how do we want to version murano-apps first | 17:52 |
| sergmelikyan | it's not described anyware | 17:52 |
| sergmelikyan | #action sergmelikyan describe versioning model for murano-apps | 17:53 |
| kzaitsev_mb | describe versioning model for murano-apps | 17:53 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic Open Discussion | 17:53 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok, sure ) | 17:53 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | so a couple of news — dashboard translation commit is stuck until infra guys decide on the new spec for dashboard-like repos | 17:54 |
| kzaitsev_mb | 2) rohini has submitted an initial patch with support for osc =) which is awesome, pls give it some time and play with it | 17:55 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266018/ | 17:55 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I mean the fact that there is such a commit is awesome =) | 17:55 |
| kzaitsev_mb | gotta check the awesomness of the commit before saying that it is ) | 17:56 |
| enthurohini | i will itegrate the commands soon. | 17:57 |
| kzaitsev_mb | enthurohini: oh =) cool, didn't notice that you joined ) | 17:58 |
| enthurohini | kzaitsev_mb, i have implemented single command, should i commit for review or wait untill i complete a group of command? | 17:58 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I'd suggest you would add another commit atop the 1st one, that adds a group of commands ) | 17:59 |
| enthurohini | kzaitsev_mb, i joined but was late. :P | 17:59 |
| enthurohini | ok | 17:59 |
| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: enthurohini can you share a link to the review? | 18:00 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St: I just did ^^ | 18:00 |
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| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: my bad | 18:00 |
| Nikolay_St | TIME | 18:00 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | it'll be in meeting notes ) | 18:00 |
| sergmelikyan | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 12 18:00:50 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-01-12-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-01-12-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-01-12-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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| gibi | #startmeeting nova notification | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 12 20:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gibi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova notification)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_notification' | 20:00 |
| gibi | welcome everyone! | 20:00 |
| rlrossit | hey gibi! | 20:00 |
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| gibi | rlrossit: hi! | 20:01 |
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| gibi | ok, let's start | 20:02 |
| cdent | o/ | 20:02 |
| gibi | #topic open reviews | 20:02 |
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| gibi | cdent: hi | 20:02 |
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| gibi | so | 20:03 |
| gibi | two things happened on my side | 20:03 |
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| gibi | one is that I was able to generate a table into the devref about the existing versioned notifications | 20:03 |
| gibi | the patch is up | 20:03 |
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| gibi | the other is that john gave some feedback on the reviews | 20:04 |
| gibi | the only notable change was that | 20:04 |
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| gibi | I removed the direct dependency between the notification.publisher and the Service object by adding a proxy | 20:05 |
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| gibi | this way a notification can be sent without alway querying the db for a Service object | 20:05 |
| gibi | also john expressed that it is not likely that we can merge more in M than what is already up on review | 20:06 |
| rlrossit | :( | 20:07 |
| cdent | that's a bummer, you seemed to be on a good roll | 20:07 |
| rlrossit | I take it this is non-priority then? | 20:07 |
| gibi | this bp had no priority so the john's statement is reasonable as the deadline to merge is january 21 | 20:08 |
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| gibi | so I will be happy if we can merge what we already have up | 20:08 |
| gibi | john promised to do another review round on the chain soon | 20:09 |
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| gibi | I guess we can still merge test, doc and refactor after the freeze so we can try to find those type of changes | 20:10 |
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| gibi | anyhow I'm planning to continue in N as well regardless what will be merged in M | 20:12 |
| rlrossit | I also have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263915/ up which is based on the infra patch, but you guys already took a look at that one | 20:12 |
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| rlrossit | I'll wait til the infra patch is in before pushing that further | 20:12 |
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| gibi | rlrossit: thanks for the effort, it is a nice cleanup | 20:13 |
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| gibi | just a note, if you want to generate doc from python code with a sphinx extension, then prepare for some pain as sphinx internals is not well documented | 20:15 |
| gibi | :) | 20:15 |
| rlrossit | gibi: if I ever run into issues, I'll just let you handle it :) | 20:16 |
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| gibi | rlrossit: :) | 20:17 |
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| gibi | I'm also plannig to reschedule this weekly meeting to smaller frequency as less thing will happen until planning of N | 20:18 |
| rlrossit | +1 | 20:18 |
| gibi | as a first step of planning I think I have to amend the spec | 20:18 |
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| gibi | and I think I'm out of things to say. | 20:19 |
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| gibi | anything on your side? | 20:20 |
| cdent | I got nothing | 20:20 |
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| rlrossit | same here | 20:20 |
| gibi | then, let's close it | 20:20 |
| gibi | thanks for the meeting | 20:21 |
| gibi | :) | 20:21 |
| cdent | \o/ | 20:21 |
| gibi | #endmeeting | 20:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:21 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 12 20:21:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_notification/2016/nova_notification.2016-01-12-20.00.html | 20:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_notification/2016/nova_notification.2016-01-12-20.00.txt | 20:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_notification/2016/nova_notification.2016-01-12-20.00.log.html | 20:21 |
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