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| n0ano_ | #startmeeting nova-scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 1 14:00:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| n0ano_ | anyone here to talk about the scheduler? | 14:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
| Yingxin | o/ | 14:00 |
| n0ano_ | edleafe, looks like you had a long, involved meeting last week :-) | 14:01 |
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| edleafe | it was tough, but I made it through somehow | 14:01 |
| n0ano_ | :-) | 14:02 |
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| n0ano_ | well, it's fast approaching 5 after, let's get started | 14:03 |
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| n0ano_ | #topic mid-cycle meetup report back | 14:03 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "mid-cycle meetup report back (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:03 | |
| * bauzas waves | 14:03 | |
| n0ano_ | was anyone at the meetup who can comment on it? | 14:03 |
| bauzas | I was having some IRC bouncer issue | 14:03 |
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| bauzas | I was | 14:04 |
| n0ano_ | bauzas, I always just blame microsoft, it's always their fault somehow. | 14:04 |
| bauzas | not sure I'm the only folk here | 14:04 |
| n0ano_ | edleafe, & I didn't make it, you might be the only one here who attended | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am lurking | 14:04 |
| bauzas | oh snap :) | 14:04 |
| bauzas | sooo | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am writing a quick midcycle summary to the ML at the moment | 14:05 |
| bauzas | all the tracked records are in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-midcycle | 14:05 |
| bauzas | for the sched bits, we mostly discussed about three things | 14:05 |
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| n0ano_ | cooo, any high points that apply to the scheduler | 14:05 |
| * carl_baldwin lurking... | 14:06 | |
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| bauzas | #1 the status of all our changes => L264 | 14:06 |
| bauzas | #2 the longest blueprint series ever, aka. jay's resource-providers | 14:07 |
| bauzas | et al. | 14:07 |
| bauzas | #3 having scheduler functional tests in-tree | 14:07 |
| bauzas | about #1, we're on-board with what we promised, except check-destination-on-migrations which I'm taking it back | 14:07 |
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| bauzas | for #2, it took us mostly 3 days to get it covered | 14:08 |
| n0ano_ | but I see jay's BP finally got merged | 14:08 |
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| bauzas | that's very large, so I'd prefer folks lurking here to read L102 of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-midcycle | 14:08 |
| bauzas | n0ano_: 2 of 7 | 14:08 |
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| n0ano_ | we should update https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking to reflect all 7 then | 14:09 |
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| bauzas | and #3, it's totally possible to have functional tests in-tree for the scheduler like gibi_ made for servergroups | 14:09 |
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| bauzas | n0ano_: not sure it's the right etherpad, but yes to that | 14:10 |
| bauzas | I was more thinking of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:10 |
| bauzas | s/more/rather | 14:11 |
| n0ano_ | it's the one I've been going by, as long as we have a definitive list somewhere that's what's important | 14:11 |
| bauzas | one point I forgot to mention is the intersection with carl_baldwin's spec for Tenant networks in Neutron | 14:12 |
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| bauzas | that interaction is mostly covered by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253187/ | 14:13 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks for the discussion there. My spec is here: | 14:13 |
| bauzas | oh man | 14:13 |
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| bauzas | s/tenant networks/routed networks | 14:13 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263898/ | 14:13 |
| bauzas | thanks | 14:13 |
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| bauzas | that's it for me | 14:14 |
| bauzas | questions ? | 14:14 |
| carl_baldwin | Jay added a section on it to his spec, can't remember which one of the series. | 14:14 |
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| bauzas | carl_baldwin: the one I mentioned above | 14:14 |
| bauzas | ie. 253187 | 14:14 |
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| carl_baldwin | Thanks! | 14:15 |
| bauzas | yet subject to review | 14:15 |
| n0ano_ | sounds like there's no major problems, just a lot of work that needs to be done | 14:15 |
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| Yingxin | Is there a detailed test requirement of #3? I'm interested in it. | 14:16 |
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| bauzas | Yingxin: that has been replied by ML, lemme find it | 14:16 |
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| Yingxin | bauzas: is it http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/085182.html ? | 14:17 |
| bauzas | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/085107.html | 14:17 |
| bauzas | yup | 14:17 |
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| bauzas | which I totally forgot to mention, although I remember having reviewing that :=) | 14:17 |
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| Yingxin | yes, so any idea about the requirement I drafted? | 14:18 |
| n0ano_ | Yingxin, and you're mentioned specifically in that thread so it's great that you're still interested | 14:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | carl_baldwin: thanks for the updates on that, I added a few comments yesterday | 14:19 |
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| Yingxin | n0ano_: :) | 14:19 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnthetubaguy: just reading then this morning. Thank you. | 14:19 |
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| bauzas | Yingxin: which draft? | 14:20 |
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| Yingxin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/085182.html | 14:21 |
| Yingxin | bauzas: the input output and boundary things. | 14:21 |
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| bauzas | Yingxin: well, I don't disagree with your email :) | 14:22 |
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| bauzas | Yingxin: what I forgot was https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/tests/functional/test_server_group.py | 14:23 |
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| Yingxin | bauzas: thanks I'm looking at it | 14:23 |
| bauzas | moving on ? | 14:23 |
| n0ano_ | bauzas, looks like | 14:24 |
| n0ano_ | #topic Specs/BPs/Patches | 14:24 |
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| n0ano_ | Any of these need discussing today? | 14:24 |
| Yingxin | I implemented a prototype as described in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/eventually-consistent-scheduler-host-state and proposed a related session in Austin summit. | 14:24 |
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| Yingxin | The prototype shows a great decision time improvement and the decreasing chances of retries. It could be a shared-state version of filter scheduler. | 14:25 |
| Yingxin | However, according to bp https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271823/1/specs/mitaka/approved/resource-providers-scheduler.rst , it will remove host-state and make claims directly to db in the future. | 14:25 |
| Yingxin | So I'm not sure whether I should continue this effort. | 14:25 |
| n0ano_ | hmm, without knowing the details sounds like that's an excellent Austin topic | 14:26 |
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| Yingxin | n0ano_: thanks | 14:26 |
| n0ano_ | Yingxin, you can start a ML discussion if you want to get some feedback before then | 14:27 |
| Yingxin | ok | 14:27 |
| n0ano_ | if there's nothing else on this | 14:28 |
| n0ano_ | #topic bugs | 14:28 |
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| n0ano_ | beyond encouraging everyone to take a bug (and fix it) I have some good news | 14:28 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: so, resource-providers-scheduler is subject to change | 14:29 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: at least where the claims are done | 14:29 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: I'm more concerned by how your BP could be impacting the main effort of the resource-providers epic | 14:29 |
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| Yingxin | bauzas: well it can also apply to resource-providers if the scheduler needs in-memory cache | 14:31 |
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| Yingxin | And when there is a requirement to have multiple scheduler instances. | 14:31 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: I'd be interested in seeing the prototype | 14:31 |
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| n0ano_ | Yingxin, would it be possible to post a WIP gerrit review for your prototype? | 14:32 |
| Yingxin | bauzas: thanks, it is only a quick prototype, no unit tests and may have naming problems | 14:33 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: that's not really a problem :) | 14:33 |
| bauzas | just mark it WIP / DNM | 14:34 |
| bauzas | and put the -W button | 14:34 |
| Yingxin | I'll modify it before it is uploaded to gerrit | 14:34 |
| Yingxin | well, OK | 14:34 |
| Yingxin | The most important thing is that it is runnable. | 14:34 |
| bauzas | but if your prototype wouldn't throw the resource-providers epic under the bus, it could be interesting to see it in Newtopn | 14:34 |
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| Yingxin | Yup, so I'll continue | 14:36 |
| n0ano_ | so, back to bugs | 14:37 |
| n0ano_ | Intel has a large group in Austin and I've talked management into prioritizing scheduler bugs for that group, we should be getting some progress on reducing the scheduler bugs list (soon) | 14:37 |
| n0ano_ | #topic opens | 14:38 |
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| n0ano_ | so, anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss? | 14:38 |
| edleafe | n0ano_: Austin or San Antonio? | 14:38 |
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| n0ano_ | edleafe, both in Texas, what's the question? | 14:38 |
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| edleafe | n0ano_: I knew someone hired to work in SA for Intel | 14:39 |
| n0ano_ | edleafe, my bad, yes the group is ini San Antoio | 14:39 |
| edleafe | n0ano_: ah, just wondered if he would have to move :/ | 14:39 |
| n0ano_ | they're Texas cities, who can keep them straight :-) | 14:39 |
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| n0ano_ | I'm trying to blot it out of my mind, Intel tried to send me there for a 6 month rotation (I talked them out of it) | 14:40 |
| bauzas | n0ano_: some people are trying to group their efforts, company-unbiased | 14:40 |
| bauzas | n0ano_: you should talk to markus_z | 14:41 |
| bauzas | I remember he made a call for help | 14:41 |
| n0ano_ | WFM, I just want to get progress on reducing the bug list | 14:41 |
| bauzas | n0ano_: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/083456.html | 14:42 |
| n0ano_ | bauzas, tnx, I'll see if we can't get some help for that | 14:43 |
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| n0ano_ | anything else for today? | 14:43 |
| n0ano_ | hearing crickets | 14:44 |
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| n0ano_ | OK, tnx everyone, talk to you all next week | 14:45 |
| n0ano_ | #endmeeting | 14:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 1 14:45:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-02-01-14.00.html | 14:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-02-01-14.00.txt | 14:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-02-01-14.00.log.html | 14:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hello | 15:01 |
| mhickey | hello | 15:01 |
| roaet | howdy | 15:01 |
| korzen | Hi | 15:01 |
| rossella_s | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 1 15:01:55 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rossella_s. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:02 |
| dguitarbite | hello | 15:02 |
| rossella_s | hi all! thanks for joining | 15:02 |
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| rossella_s | Ihar is traveling today so I will replace him | 15:02 |
| rossella_s | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
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| mhickey | rossella_s: go for it! :) | 15:03 |
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| rossella_s | as you might have read in the dev mailing list there will be an upgrade code sprint in Brno, March 14-16 | 15:03 |
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| rossella_s | I hope to see you all there! | 15:04 |
| mhickey | rossella_s: tentative | 15:04 |
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| korzen | rossella_s: I'm planning to be there, needs to get approval for travelling | 15:04 |
| rossella_s | mhickey, right, I should have stated it more clearly | 15:04 |
| rossella_s | korzen, go for it | 15:05 |
| mhickey | I need approval too | 15:05 |
| rossella_s | I guess it's time to start asking for it | 15:06 |
| rossella_s | let's move on | 15:06 |
| rossella_s | #topic partial grenade | 15:06 |
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| rossella_s | I don't have any fresh info, only what was shared in the dev mailing list...there are still test failures when ssh-ing into an instance, might be another MTU issue | 15:08 |
| rossella_s | #topic versioned objects | 15:08 |
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| rossella_s | I pushed an update for the port object patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253641/ mhickey helped me in fixing the UT failures | 15:09 |
| roaet | Hi. Re OVO: electrocucaracha and saisriki are selecting two other OVO objects to convert. They will update the wiki asap. | 15:10 |
| rossella_s | now we have the allowed_address_pairs extension that is included in the port object, to make sure we can manage extension the right way | 15:10 |
| rossella_s | roaet, we discussed that earlier, we want to start porting port and network. After we finish the port for those objects we can start moving to other ones | 15:11 |
| korzen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264273 subnet OVO thanks for the review rossella_s :) I have replied and pushed new patch, still working on UT and final touches | 15:11 |
| rossella_s | korzen, thanks a lot! | 15:11 |
| roaet | rossella_s: ok so don't start on the other objects. Got it. I'll have them look at those patches and help where they can. | 15:12 |
| korzen | roaet, I think that SubnetPool OVO can be taken | 15:12 |
| korzen | I did not start working on it | 15:12 |
| rossella_s | roaet, it would be great if electrocucaracha and saisriki join our meeting | 15:12 |
| rossella_s | korzen, would you mind updating the backlog then? | 15:13 |
| mhickey | rossella_s: extrac dhcp opt https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273072/, patch on the way to fix gate and ut issues. | 15:13 |
| korzen | rossella_s, OK I will add it to the backlog | 15:13 |
| roaet | There appear to be many objects in work. korzen I will tell them to check out SubnetPool. | 15:13 |
| rossella_s | mhickey, how are the UT for the other patches going? can you update us since you were so brave to volunteer to fix them? | 15:13 |
| mhickey | rossella_sok... | 15:14 |
| mhickey | allowed address pairs (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268274/): has now passed | 15:14 |
| rossella_s | roaet, there are only 2 objects: port and network...of course the objects that compose them need to be ported too. Please tell them that we can coordinate better if they join this meeting. | 15:15 |
| mhickey | port (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253641): I will need to take a look at. still an issue | 15:15 |
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| mhickey | dhcp extra: details above ^^^ | 15:15 |
| rossella_s | thanks mhickey ! | 15:15 |
| mhickey | Thats it for the moment | 15:15 |
| mhickey | no problem! :) | 15:16 |
| rossella_s | dguitarbite, do you have any update? | 15:16 |
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| dguitarbite | rossella_s: Not much done as of now. | 15:16 |
| mhickey | rossella_s: one last thing... | 15:16 |
| rossella_s | dguitarbite, I can't see your name in the list under Object implementation in the team page, can you update it if you are working on some object please? | 15:17 |
| dguitarbite | rossella_s: I have some code written but not good enough to discuss it for the time being. I should send a PR by day after if time permits. | 15:17 |
| dguitarbite | rossella_s: yes, Ill do that. | 15:17 |
| rossella_s | dguitarbite, thanks | 15:18 |
| rossella_s | mhickey, go on please :) | 15:18 |
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| mhickey | I just tried to get the ut's working on port and allowed address pairs patches. I will tackle the good review comments from korzen and others shortly. | 15:18 |
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| rossella_s | mhickey, good job! | 15:19 |
| rossella_s | dguitarbite, which port extension are you working on? | 15:19 |
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| dguitarbite | Security Groups and port security both of them. I thought its one task here. | 15:20 |
| dguitarbite | rossella_s: I can give away port security I have not touched anything in there yet | 15:20 |
| rossella_s | dguitarbite, nope it's two separate extensions | 15:20 |
| rossella_s | dguitarbite, ok, then please update the team page accordingly | 15:21 |
| rossella_s | dguitarbite, thanks! | 15:21 |
| dguitarbite | rossella_s: Ok, Ill update it. No sweat | 15:21 |
| rossella_s | anything else regarding objects? | 15:22 |
| korzen | I've got 2 opens | 15:22 |
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| korzen | 1) support for multiple primary keys | 15:23 |
| rossella_s | saisriki, electrocucaracha welcome! | 15:23 |
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| rossella_s | korzen, good point | 15:23 |
| korzen | 2) Add IP address type decorator for sqlalchemy, nova style | 15:23 |
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| rossella_s | korzen, very good points | 15:23 |
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| korzen | someone interested? | 15:24 |
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| rossella_s | korzen, for the first one if I good remember you have a way to handle that in the network ovo, we just need to make it general | 15:24 |
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| korzen | rossella_s yea, not so much general I think | 15:25 |
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| saisriki | korzen: I can take a look at IP address type decorator for sqlalchemy | 15:25 |
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| rossella_s | thanks saisriki ! | 15:26 |
| korzen | rossella_s, do you think it can be merged in Mitaka? the IP address decorator? | 15:26 |
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| korzen | it would require the migration script | 15:26 |
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| rossella_s | korzen, we can make it but we need to work on it and finish it up quickly | 15:27 |
| korzen | saisriki thanks, the details are in my commit: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264273/10/neutron/objects/subnet.py@151 | 15:28 |
| korzen | it would be beneficial to have it ready in Mitaka, the IP address and IP network CIDR | 15:29 |
| saisriki | I guess, the idea for me and electrocucaracha was to look at OVO migration of SubnetPools | 15:29 |
| saisriki | I don't think I can work on two items at the same time!!\ | 15:29 |
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| rossella_s | saisriki, feel free to pick the item that it's most convenient for you. We have plenty of work to distribute | 15:30 |
| saisriki | rossella_s: thank you | 15:30 |
| korzen | saisriki, I will take a look in near future in the IP address decorator so feel free to start the SubnetPool OVO first | 15:31 |
| rossella_s | korzen, thanks for stepping up | 15:31 |
| saisriki | korzen: ok, thanks!!\ | 15:31 |
| rossella_s | anything else? | 15:32 |
| rossella_s | 3 | 15:32 |
| rossella_s | 2 | 15:32 |
| rossella_s | 1 | 15:32 |
| electrocucarach_ | me | 15:32 |
| electrocucarach_ | sorry, I have the patch for the documentation | 15:32 |
| rossella_s | electrocucarach_, can you paste the link? | 15:33 |
| electrocucarach_ | should I create a bug and attach that patch to that bug? | 15:33 |
| rossella_s | please | 15:33 |
| electrocucarach_ | well, this is the commit that I did in my own repo... but should I create the bug in launchpad? | 15:34 |
| electrocucarach_ | https://github.com/electrocucaracha/neutron/commit/a1e0ad83539cb912b3b51dbacedfe7c417d9d7a9 | 15:34 |
| rossella_s | electrocucarach_, yes please create the bug | 15:34 |
| electrocucarach_ | It's for autogenerate the db schemas in the documentation | 15:34 |
| rossella_s | electrocucarach_, that's a very nice improvement, thanks for that! | 15:35 |
| electrocucarach_ | well, that was the idea of roaet | 15:35 |
| rossella_s | thanks roaet too | 15:35 |
| rossella_s | anything else? | 15:36 |
| mhickey | no | 15:36 |
| electrocucarach_ | no | 15:36 |
| rossella_s | so let's move on | 15:36 |
| rossella_s | #topic open discussion | 15:37 |
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| rossella_s | there's one thing to discuss if we want to have a specif tag to track the ovo work | 15:37 |
| rossella_s | I think this was asked by pc_m | 15:37 |
| rossella_s | s/tag/rfe sorry | 15:38 |
| pc_m | yeah, could just be a bug # so that items can be tracked, or use a tag on the commits. | 15:38 |
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| mhickey | pc_m: good idea | 15:38 |
| korzen | for me it is a good step, lets inform others what we are working on | 15:38 |
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| rossella_s | it seems we all agree here | 15:39 |
| roaet | Agree a tag is a good idea | 15:39 |
| pc_m | cool | 15:39 |
| rossella_s | that was easy. pc_m thanks for your input! | 15:39 |
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| pc_m | sure | 15:39 |
| pc_m | helps those lurking to see what is going on :) | 15:40 |
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| rossella_s | pc_m, I perfectly agree...it actually helps people involved too to keep track of what's going on | 15:40 |
| korzen | the question is are we going to have 1 RFE | 15:40 |
| korzen | or RFE per OVO | 15:40 |
| mhickey | welcome pc_m | 15:40 |
| rossella_s | korzen, I think one RFE...we can then use the Partial-bug tag in the commit | 15:41 |
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| pc_m | mhickey: hi | 15:41 |
| mhickey | korzen, I think ihrachys suggested 1? | 15:41 |
| pc_m | Could just use a topic on the commits | 15:41 |
| korzen | rossella_s mhickey, ok fine for me | 15:41 |
| pc_m | Or a bug so that there is a place to see the commits. The topic is nice for searches. (could do both, if desired). | 15:42 |
| rossella_s | pc_m, a topic requires a blueprint | 15:42 |
| pc_m | ah | 15:43 |
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| pc_m | I thought you could create one w/o. | 15:43 |
| pc_m | Maybe it's a manually process, if not using a BP. | 15:44 |
| rossella_s | pc_m, well the topic is set by the branch name you use | 15:44 |
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| rossella_s | pc_m, for convention we use to set the topic to bp/bp_name | 15:44 |
| pc_m | rossella_s: I used to do it for bugs too. | 15:44 |
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| rossella_s | we can agree that we set a specific topic for ovo but there's no way to reinforce it...I think it's better to use an RFE then | 15:45 |
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| pc_m | it would most like need to be a team convention. | 15:46 |
| pc_m | likely | 15:46 |
| rossella_s | yep...so I prefer using "stardard" way to group patches, either RFE or blueprint... | 15:47 |
| pc_m | rossella_s: sure. np. just a thought | 15:47 |
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| rossella_s | pc_m, mine it's just a thought too | 15:48 |
| rossella_s | anything else we want to discuss? | 15:49 |
| mhickey | ok, from me | 15:49 |
| korzen | about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273517 OVO common enum classes for IP version and IPv6 modes | 15:49 |
| mhickey | korzen: yes | 15:50 |
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| korzen | like I said in the review, we should sync with Ihar on that one, he requested the strict versioning | 15:50 |
| mhickey | korzen: sure, I agree. | 15:50 |
| rossella_s | korzen, agreed, let's wait for his feedback | 15:51 |
| korzen | I'm ok with both approaches: the integer or enum field | 15:51 |
| mhickey | korzen: I am just caught between whether 2 int values are worth it. | 15:51 |
| mhickey | korzen: thanks! :) | 15:52 |
| rossella_s | anything else? | 15:52 |
| rossella_s | 3 | 15:53 |
| rossella_s | 2 | 15:53 |
| rossella_s | 1 | 15:53 |
| mhickey | bye, thanks rossella_s | 15:53 |
| rossella_s | thanks all for attending! | 15:53 |
| korzen | bye, thx all :) | 15:53 |
| rossella_s | I am very happy regarding the progress so let's keep going like this! | 15:53 |
| saisriki | thank you | 15:53 |
| rossella_s | #endmeeting | 15:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 1 15:53:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-02-01-15.01.html | 15:53 |
| roaet | bye all | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-02-01-15.01.txt | 15:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-02-01-15.01.log.html | 15:53 |
| pc_m | bye | 15:54 |
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| dguitarbite | bye | 15:54 |
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| dims | starting oslo meeting in a minute | 15:59 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 16:00 |
| ozamiatin_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| gcb | o/ | 16:00 |
| dims | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| dims | courtesy ping for GheRivero, amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, harlowja, haypo, | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 1 16:00:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dims. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| dims | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, spamaps | 16:00 |
| dims | courtesy ping for sergmelikyan, sreshetnyak, sileht, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek, gcb | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| dims | courtesy ping for dukhlov, lxsli, rbradfor, mikal, nakato, tcammann1 | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| browne | o/ | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 16:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:00 |
| ozamiatin_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | sup | 16:00 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:00 |
| jecarey | o/ | 16:00 |
| amrith | ./ | 16:00 |
| stevemar | o/ | 16:00 |
| dukhlov | o/ | 16:00 |
| lxsli | o/ | 16:00 |
| dims | #topic welcome to new cores - rbradfor and lxsli for Oslo and dukhlov for Oslo-Messaging | 16:01 |
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| bknudson | yay! | 16:01 |
| dims | hurray! join the fun | 16:01 |
| rbradfor | o/ | 16:01 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:01 |
| lxsli | Woo, thank you all! | 16:01 |
| ozamiatin_ | welcome!! | 16:01 |
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| johnsom | Welcome | 16:01 |
| dukhlov | thank you! | 16:01 |
| rbradfor | dims, thanks for including me in the Oslo team | 16:02 |
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| harlowja_at_home | welcome!!!! | 16:03 |
| dims | rbradfor : hope you have as much fun as i do :) thanks goes to the team | 16:03 |
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| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:03 |
| haypo | _o/ | 16:03 |
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| dims | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:03 |
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| stevemar | congrats rbradfor | 16:03 |
| amrith | nothing from trove at this time. | 16:03 |
| bknudson | none for keystone that I know of | 16:03 |
| gcb | welcome rbradfor, lxsli and dukhlov | 16:03 |
| johnsom | Nothing to report Octavia/LBaaS | 16:03 |
| amrith | congratulations to all new cores. | 16:03 |
| rbradfor | stevemar, gcb thanks, and thanks to all | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, have u guys started using the new taskflow stuff? | 16:04 |
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| johnsom | Yes! | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:04 |
| johnsom | Looking good so far | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | nice nice | 16:04 |
| haypo | [off-topic] FYI glance, designate & solum now work on python 3 | 16:04 |
| dims | haypo : great! | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | is python 4 out yet? | 16:04 |
| bknudson | we'll get python 3 on keystone one of these days | 16:05 |
| haypo | harlowja_at_home: ... | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:05 |
| stevemar | bknudson: when we get ldap support for py3 | 16:05 |
| haypo | bknudson: tell me if i can help | 16:05 |
| haypo | stevemar: what? the ldap project was ported to py3, like 2 months ago | 16:05 |
| bknudson | we need to switch off python-ldap to ldap3 | 16:06 |
| dims | #topic - python3 support :) | 16:06 |
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| stevemar | haypo: ^ | 16:06 |
| haypo | stevemar: https://github.com/pyldap/pyldap/ some colleagues work on it | 16:06 |
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| dims | now its' on topic | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:06 |
| stevemar | haypo: what bknudson said, we have to actually switch over | 16:06 |
| haypo | bknudson: nope. my colleague told me that ldap3 lacks important features for FreeIPA | 16:06 |
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| haypo | dims: to come back to Oslo, oslo.context has a bug fixed on the request_id attribute | 16:06 |
| haypo | dims: see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274719/ for a release bumping major version to 2.0 ;-) | 16:07 |
| bknudson | ok, maybe we can switch to pyldap rather than ldap3 | 16:07 |
| haypo | stevemar: it's just a matter of replacing import lines, no? | 16:07 |
| haypo | stevemar: i'm talking about pyldap | 16:07 |
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| haypo | stevemar: pyldap is a fork of python-ldap, no API change | 16:07 |
| stevemar | haypo: oh nice | 16:07 |
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| stevemar | haypo: we were looking at ldap3 | 16:08 |
| stevemar | maybe i'll poke around it in the afternoon | 16:08 |
| haypo | stevemar: tell me if you need more precise information, i'm not in the FreeIPA at Red Hat | 16:08 |
| haypo | i'm just repeating what i heard | 16:08 |
| dims | stevemar : bknudson : there's a #openstack-python3 irc channel as well to find like-minded folks later | 16:09 |
| haypo | rbradfor: congrats (i'm late) | 16:09 |
| dims | #topic Releases for Mitaka | 16:09 |
| dims | No scheduled releases for this week. Please file reviews in openstack/releases repo if/when you need something | 16:09 |
| haypo | dims: yeah, we should continue the discussion there, sorry for the noise | 16:09 |
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| dims | haypo : no worries, it's relevent | 16:09 |
| haypo | dims: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274719/ oslo.context 2.0 | 16:09 |
| haypo | dims: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274726/ oslo.concurrency 3.4.0 | 16:09 |
| stevemar | haypo: cool, i'm reading the pyldap docs now i'll poke around later | 16:10 |
| dims | i am expecting a review for oslo.messaging as well | 16:10 |
| dims | haypo : ack will review them | 16:10 |
| ozamiatin_ | dims: in progress | 16:10 |
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| rbradfor | dims, and I'd like an included part of oslo.context 2.0 | 16:10 |
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| toabctl_ | hi | 16:10 |
| dims | rbradfor : check the list changes job in that oslo.context 2.0 review to see if the changes you need are in there | 16:10 |
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| stevemar | dims: i'd love a new oslo.config release :) | 16:10 |
| dims | toabctl_ Hi | 16:11 |
| dims | stevemar : push a releases repo request please? | 16:11 |
| stevemar | dims: ack | 16:11 |
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| rbradfor | dims, it is listed in oslo.context 2.0 | 16:11 |
| haypo | rbradfor: which change do you need? | 16:11 |
| rbradfor | haypo, 22ad2c2 Define method for oslo.log context parameters | 16:11 |
| rbradfor | work on the app-agnostic-parameters blueprint which I need for work in oslo.log | 16:12 |
| haypo | rbradfor: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274186/ hum ok | 16:12 |
| dims | rbradfor : haypo : looks like we need a requirements bump too | 16:12 |
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| rbradfor | haypo, yes | 16:12 |
| haypo | dims: for what? | 16:12 |
| dims | oslo.context 2.0 | 16:12 |
| dims | bump the upper-constraints.txt? | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | if rbradfor needs something in that for oslo.log, we should raise the minimum in global-requiremenst.txt too | 16:13 |
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| haypo | dims: it can be done later, no? what needs olso.context 2.0? | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | haypo : the release process calls for having the requirements patch filed before the release is done to ensure that it is available to merge shortly after the relase | 16:14 |
| dims | sorry global-requirements... +1 to dhellmann's coment | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | haypo : http://docs.openstack.org/releases/instructions.html#requesting-a-release | 16:14 |
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| haypo | dhellmann: "to ensure the new release is tested in the gate" ah ok, now i understand :) | 16:15 |
| stevemar | dims: did both the release and the requirements patch | 16:15 |
| haypo | sorry, i'm still tired of my long week-end at FOSDEM ;) | 16:15 |
| dims | stevemar : thanks! | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | haypo : np, that's why we have the review process in place :-) | 16:15 |
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| dims | #topic Encourage PTL candidates for Newton | 16:17 |
| dims | Folks, Thanks for all the help and encouragement during my PTL stint. I'd like someone else to take over. If folks are interested, i can show the ropes over the next few weeks before the PTL elections. Please ping me. | 16:17 |
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| harlowja_at_home | uh oh | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | for he was a jolly good fellow | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | and no one shall deny | 16:18 |
| dims | LOL harlowja_at_home | 16:18 |
| kgiusti | here here! | 16:18 |
| rbradfor | he still is a jolly good fellow | 16:18 |
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| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:18 |
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| harlowja_at_home | *for he is a jolly good fellow | 16:19 |
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| dims | #topic Open discussion | 16:19 |
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| dims | Any other stuck reviews? | 16:19 |
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| dims | before this gets out of hand :) | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:19 |
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| dims | So there was a thread about -2's in oslo project | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, about that | 16:20 |
| dims | i'd like folks to revisit that thread - | 16:20 |
| dims | #link http://markmail.org/message/xcenlg4lrgjoyfiy | 16:20 |
| dims | to see if we can do something better | 16:21 |
| johnsom | harlowja_at_home Just another thanks for that taskflow patch. It really makes a difference in our code. | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | it'd be nice if a person that posts a -2 that it would initiate a phone call with the person that makes the code, lol | 16:21 |
| bknudson | if someone asks you to remove a -2 then remove it... that's what I do. | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, np | 16:21 |
| johnsom | It will make more when I get around to cleaning up the old hacks | 16:21 |
| bknudson | sometimes I don't have a lot of time to do a new review | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:22 |
| dims | bknudson : +1 | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | the person who started that thread was involved in 2 patches with -2 in a short time, which is not just unusually high for an individual it's unusually high for oslo I think | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | I'm not sure I want to call it a fluke, but it doesn't seem like we have a persistent ongoing issue, either | 16:23 |
| dims | dhellmann : agree. | 16:23 |
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| haypo | it looks like oslo.versionedobjects is somehow different, because it linked to nova | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | so it's unfortunate, but I stand by my -2 on the utc time logging change | 16:23 |
| haypo | and nova is more conservative, no? | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 16:23 |
| rbradfor | it seemed inappropriate this was not started in a separate ML thread. | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | an idea, if a -2 gets added, we could try to have the policy be that said -2 being done automatically requires a ML email | 16:23 |
| bknudson | the -2 also shows a lack of trust of other core reviewers. | 16:23 |
| dims | dhellmann : am with you on that | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | a ML email either by the code reviewer or the code creator | 16:24 |
| bknudson | if you don't trust cores to not merge something when you -1 then we have another problem. | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | haypo: and I think it's reasonable for us to be saying in general "prove there's utility in that feature by running it in your app" for a time | 16:24 |
| dims | how about when we -2, we tell them to bring it to the next weekly oslo meeting? | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | haypo : esp. in vo, where it's easy to add a type class locally | 16:24 |
| dims | so at least they know what to do | 16:24 |
| rbradfor | so a suggestion is if anybody gives a -2 they ask for a ML discussion to be started. | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, that seems fair also | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | dims : that's a good procedural tweak, sure | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, ya, either that or we talk about -2 here | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | either ML or meeting | 16:24 |
| rbradfor | dims and bring to oslo meeting | 16:24 |
| haypo | rbradfor: good idea | 16:24 |
| rbradfor | dhellmann, I think both | 16:25 |
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| dims | cool. guess part of the frustration was not knowing what to do next | 16:25 |
| dims | so this will help | 16:25 |
| rbradfor | the ML enables inputs, the meeting should be to finalize any decisions | 16:25 |
| haypo | sorry, i didn't have time to read the thread. but maybe the problem is the messaging explaining the -2 vote? we should write a template :) | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | we are very good at templates :-P | 16:25 |
| haypo | for example, "-2 your code sucks" is not good :) | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | haypo : I will admit that I assumed the submitter knew what to do next, and didn't explicitly ask. I'll be more careful about that in the future. | 16:26 |
| haypo | "-2 you code sucks, because ... try maybe ... or come to the ML or oslo meeting to discuss" is maybe beetter :-D | 16:26 |
| dims | dhellmann : y not sure if they knew | 16:26 |
| haypo | i understand that it can be *very* frustrating to get a -2 | 16:26 |
| haypo | i always hate getting -2 (yeah, it occurred me, like multiple times!) | 16:26 |
| dims | another one... | 16:26 |
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| harlowja_at_home | haypo, ya, something like that template seems ok | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:27 |
| dims | Another observation was in the thread for Alexis' nomination | 16:27 |
| dims | #link http://markmail.org/message/i5hfaknvpgxyhvrg | 16:27 |
| haypo | harlowja_at_home: or maybe just a link to a wiki page, somewhere | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | haypo, possibly | 16:27 |
| dims | we as a team would like to welcome both specialists and generalists | 16:27 |
| dims | and get people to grow their expertise | 16:27 |
| rbradfor | to be more positive, rather than "your code sucks" I really liked sdague who said elsewhere "violates the principle of least surprise?" | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, haypo also started a whole new thread on that | 16:27 |
| dims | we've done a great job at shepherding all the technical debt from oslo-incubator days | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 16:28 |
| haypo | dims: i'm in favor of trusting people, see my "It's better to ask forgiveness than permission" thread :) | 16:28 |
| bknudson | I was concerned when somebody +2d a change in oslo.policy that I didn't think keystone would agree with... needed more discussion | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/085467.html | 16:28 |
| haypo | if we are welcoming newcomers, it's more likely that they start to look at other oslo projects, not only the one they started to hack | 16:28 |
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| dims | bknudson : let's bring instances like that to be more visible. would that work? | 16:29 |
| haypo | i'm proud of being part of oslo, but i also feel guilty if it don't review enough changes :) | 16:29 |
| haypo | more powers means more responsabilities :) | 16:29 |
| bknudson | dims: yes. I don't want to make a big deal out of it. | 16:29 |
| dims | oslo.policy and oslo.versionedobjects need to be looked at by keystone folks and nova folks respectively | 16:29 |
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| dims | for sure | 16:30 |
| dims | bknudson : ack | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | (although i'd still like to figure out how to avoid nova having downstream patch-like-things in ovo) | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | but i gotta investigate that one more | 16:30 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home +1 | 16:30 |
| haypo | i can also understand that other projects like nova have motivation to be more conservative, but being conservative has serious side effect (technical debt) | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | maybe ovo needs experimental features, idk | 16:31 |
| haypo | at least, i want oslo to remain as open as possible :) | 16:31 |
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| lxsli_web | o.vo is a really special case because a breaking patch there ruins everything so badly | 16:31 |
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| dims | haypo : +1000 | 16:31 |
| haypo | dims: they are plan to use oslo.versionedobjects in other proejcts, no? | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | lxsli_web : that applies to a lot of the oslo libs :-/ | 16:31 |
| haypo | dims: i don't recall which ones :-/ cinder? | 16:31 |
| dims | lxsli_web : right, so good test matrix | 16:31 |
| dims | dhellmann : well said :) | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | haypo, ironic, cinder, nova i thnk | 16:32 |
| lxsli_web | also because it's more growing out of nova than being separately developed, hence the up/downstream relationship | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | haypo: Yes, Cinder is working hard to move to ovo . | 16:32 |
| haypo | harlowja_at_home: ah cool. are you aware of any concrete progress on these projects? | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | haypo, unsure | 16:32 |
| haypo | jungleboyj: cool :) | 16:32 |
| lxsli_web | dhellmann: fair point | 16:32 |
| haypo | jungleboyj: thanks for the confirmation ;) | 16:32 |
| dims | dansmith : around? (just in case :) | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | haypo: We have a bunch of patches that dulko has been working on and we just agreed in the meetup to work to get them in. | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | lxsli_web, perhaps ovo has a ovo.experimental module, idk | 16:33 |
| dansmith | dims: only barely.. running a meeting at the moment | 16:33 |
| haypo | lxsli_web: my point is that it's ok to break the world | 16:33 |
| dims | dansmith : no worries. just making sure you know we are raising the concerns :) | 16:33 |
| haypo | lxsli_web: shit happens, it's part of the development process | 16:33 |
| haypo | lxsli_web: working hard to avoid shit is pointless | 16:33 |
| lxsli_web | harlowja_at_home: the way rlrossit explained it, the "experimental" features are already in Nova, he's just tweaking them slightly before porting to o.vo | 16:33 |
| dansmith | dims: thanks, I'll read the scrollback here when I'm done :) | 16:33 |
| haypo | lxsli_web: it's better to be reactive when bugs are noticed | 16:33 |
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| dhellmann | haypo : it's ok to have accidents. it's not ok to willfully break things. | 16:34 |
| lxsli_web | harlowja_at_home: so an ovo.experimental would just clutter the process | 16:34 |
| haypo | lxsli_web: (well, i'm not asking to remove all tests :-)) | 16:34 |
| stevemar | haypo: breaking the world let's you figure out exactly how things break! | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | lxsli_web, fair enough | 16:34 |
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| haypo | dhellmann: "willfully break things" nobody said that | 16:34 |
| lxsli_web | haypo: there's a fine line between "move fast" and being careless :) | 16:34 |
| dims | haypo : right, the idea is to make sure specialists get first preference at some of the project reviews | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | haypo : 'working hard to avoid shit is pointless'? | 16:34 |
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| haypo | dhellmann: hum ok. i picked the wrong words :) | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | haypo : :-) | 16:35 |
| dims | haypo :) i know translation and then typing quickly at irc meeting is hard | 16:35 |
| haypo | dhellmann: i mean that we should not deny people to contribute just because of a theoric risk of regressions. there is a grey arreay in code reviews and development | 16:36 |
| haypo | dhellmann: for the grey area, i prefer to trust people and having more core reviewers able to fix issues quickly | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | haypo : ok, I can agree with that. We should still be reviewing for potential issues, but dealing with them when they get through | 16:36 |
| haypo | dhellmann: rather than letting reviews rotten for months | 16:36 |
| dims | haypo : so we continue what we have done recruiting both folks specific to projects and oslo cores as appropriate i think | 16:37 |
| lxsli_web | Trust has been given, it's now up to rbradfor + me to be careful and ask for help when needed | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | lxsli_web : +1 | 16:37 |
| haypo | dhellmann: the thread started by a vote to welcome a new core reviewer | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | group hug | 16:37 |
| dims | lxsli_web : +100 | 16:37 |
| dims | :) | 16:37 |
| rbradfor | speaking as a newcomer I'm only really comfortable in about 3 oslo projects, I look and comment in reviews in about 3 more, and while I look into other projects, I'm only observing, certainly not voting. | 16:37 |
| haypo | lxsli_web: in my experience, new (core) contributors are too afraid to make mistake, so the problem doesn't exist :) | 16:38 |
| rbradfor | until I become more comfortable. | 16:38 |
| haypo | lxsli_web: if you break the world, it's because we failed to be good mentors | 16:38 |
| dims | right rbradfor | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | rbradfor : that's ideal | 16:38 |
| haypo | in python, we have a mentoring process for new core developers | 16:38 |
| haypo | the mentor is responsible to watch changes made new core developers | 16:38 |
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| haypo | but also help to handle practical things, to reply to simple questions if the contributor is too shy to ask in public | 16:39 |
| * rbradfor goes to comment on a review and now I see +2 for the first time, it's a bit too close to the +1. | 16:39 | |
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| dims | haypo : y, here the major question was if Nova folks were uncomfortable with size of oslo core since there's a possiblity that "bad" reviews may get in | 16:39 |
| haypo | rbradfor: FYI i prefer to restrict myself to +1 (no +2) for some oslo projects | 16:39 |
| rbradfor | haypo, I agree | 16:40 |
| lxsli_web | haypo: +1 :) | 16:40 |
| dims | haypo : good tip at least for starters | 16:40 |
| haypo | dims: is the risk theorical? or is it common that oslo break the [nova] world? | 16:40 |
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| bknudson | if you don't understand the change, don't +2... this means some reviews are going to sit around for months since nobody understands it. (probably due to the code or commit message) | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | haypo : it used to be far more common than it is, but it's still quite easy | 16:40 |
| haypo | dims: and if oslo break things, is it possible to detect these issues earlier? | 16:40 |
| bknudson | we don't have any code that's so complicated a reasonably skilled reviewer can't figure it out. | 16:40 |
| dims | haypo : we have been good at not breaking Nova or the core project masters. stable is a whole another story | 16:40 |
| dansmith | bknudson: you have to know a lot to know that you don't know, in a lot of cases | 16:40 |
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| haypo | dhellmann: in my experience, it's really hard to predict during a code review that a change will break a random openstack project | 16:41 |
| lxsli_web | bknudson: but by increasing core team size, hopefully someone will comment and ask for clarity | 16:41 |
| haypo | dhellmann: sometimes, even "experts" need several hours to investigate a regression | 16:41 |
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| haypo | dhellmann: that's what i'm calling the "grey area" | 16:41 |
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| dims | dansmith : "you have to know a lot to know that you don't know, in a lot of cases" :) | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | haypo : I agree, it's hard | 16:42 |
| rbradfor | dims, a suggestion to point threads to in the future, lets expand "Generalist Core reviewers" in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#Generalist_Code_Reviewers, we could even create a table for "core reviews primary projects", especially for newer cores. | 16:42 |
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| harlowja_at_home | and even then u get old, and admit u don't know alot | 16:42 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:42 |
| lxsli_web | 15min warning | 16:42 |
| haypo | dhellmann: IMHO we made huge progress on testing oslo changes on other projects (as dims said, especially on nova) last 12 months | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | haypo : oh, definitely, the work dims has done on that is superb | 16:42 |
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| haypo | dhellmann: dims has a travis job, we added more tests on requirements updates | 16:43 |
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| haypo | etc. | 16:43 |
| dims | rbradfor : i'll let you all self-organize :) | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | yep, all of that is really helpful | 16:43 |
| rbradfor | dims, I'll take on expanding the public wiki. | 16:43 |
| dims | haypo : dhellmann : my next step is to figure out how to get the stuff out from travis into regular CI | 16:43 |
| dims | rbradfor : ack thanks | 16:44 |
| haypo | dims: oh, huge project, no? | 16:44 |
| haypo | dims: you should ask help to the infra team | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | dims : it would be interesting to see if we could set up some jobs to run for release requests of oslo things | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, http://truben.no/table/ has a nice GUI table generator that i think u can use to make the wiki markdown | 16:44 |
| dims | dhellmann : right | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | (vs having to create it manually) | 16:45 |
| haypo | as usual, many people complain of oslo regressions, but nobody is volunteer to work on more tests or help on code review ;-) | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | dims : you'd have everything you need to set up libs from source | 16:45 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, thanks. | 16:45 |
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| haypo | (i'm talking about people *consuming* Oslo) | 16:45 |
| dims | dhellmann : true | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | dims : anyway, just thinking out loud | 16:45 |
| haypo | dims, dhellmann : maybe we need to discuss all of this by email, to include the whole OpenStack community | 16:46 |
| dims | haypo : before the oslo regressions, i'd ask for gate failure volunteers, that's even more critical. | 16:46 |
| haypo | it's wider than this short meeting, no? | 16:46 |
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| haypo | (ok, and also, i have to go :-)) | 16:47 |
| haypo | dims: sorry, what is a "gate failure volunteer"? | 16:47 |
| dims | haypo : feel free to start appropriate threads. i just wanted to get a sense here if we are all on the same page and appropriate heads up for some specific projects with concerns | 16:47 |
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| dims | haypo : let's talk about that after the meeting, it's mostly diagnosing quickly when things go wrong in the zuul gate | 16:48 |
| dims | so anyone else have things to discuss? | 16:49 |
| rbradfor | dims, I should mention I've picked up the older app-agnostic-parameters spec and will be working on pre-requisites in a number of TC projects to cleanup oslo.log usage | 16:49 |
| dims | rbradfor : sounds good! thanks | 16:49 |
| rbradfor | dims, I see it as pre-requisite for other things discussed at tokyo. | 16:50 |
| dims | wrapping up for today then. thanks everyone. | 16:50 |
| bknudson | thanks | 16:50 |
| harlowja_at_home | np | 16:50 |
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| dims | #endmeeting | 16:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 1 16:50:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-02-01-16.00.html | 16:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-02-01-16.00.txt | 16:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-02-01-16.00.log.html | 16:50 |
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| mfedosin | Courtesy meeting reminder: nikhil_k, ativelkov, mfedosin, docaedo, dshakhray, kfox111, kairat, nikhil | 17:00 |
| nikhil | o/ | 17:00 |
| docaedo | hello | 17:00 |
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| mfedosin | o/ | 17:00 |
| dshakhray | o/ | 17:00 |
| mfedosin | #startmeeting glance_artifacts_sub_team | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 1 17:00:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mfedosin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance_artifacts_sub_team)" | 17:00 | |
| mfedosin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-artifacts-sub-team-meeting-agenda | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance_artifacts_sub_team' | 17:00 |
| docaedo | o/ | 17:00 |
| kairat_ | O/ | 17:01 |
| mfedosin | glad to see you here today :) | 17:01 |
| mfedosin | so, we have several topics to discuss | 17:01 |
| mfedosin | but before I have to mention that I'm writing a document about glare architecture | 17:02 |
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| mfedosin | it's almost done and I'll publish it tomorrow after today's decisions | 17:02 |
| nikhil | excellent, can't want to see | 17:02 |
| mfedosin | you can see a picture from there | 17:03 |
| nikhil | yes, the pic is pretty cool indeed | 17:03 |
| mfedosin | last Friday Nikhil asked me to write some thoughts about glare... | 17:03 |
| mfedosin | like brainstorming the architecture | 17:04 |
| mfedosin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-glare-api-brainstorm | 17:04 |
| mfedosin | I did it, but here we can discuss it | 17:04 |
| mfedosin | first think about public and private api | 17:04 |
| mfedosin | I think it's unnecessary and we can have only one public api | 17:05 |
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| mfedosin | and if DefCore wants some standardization we can do it with images api only | 17:06 |
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| mfedosin | other plugins are optional | 17:06 |
| mfedosin | nikhil, your thoughts? | 17:06 |
| nikhil | yeah, mfedosin and I had a brief starter discussion on what the architecture looks like. I wanted to see how the "schema on schema" idea looks like. | 17:06 |
| nikhil | My feeling is that we need to have a structured scope around the API (only public API) | 17:07 |
| nikhil | and for that we need semantics | 17:07 |
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| nikhil | there are two ways of doing it | 17:07 |
| nikhil | the oslo.vo is one way | 17:07 |
| mfedosin | nikhil absolutely agree with you | 17:07 |
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| nikhil | but the primary origination of oslo.vo is | 17:07 |
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| nikhil | having a static feeling to dynamic language (ie python) | 17:08 |
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| nikhil | that helps with the DB upgrades and asynchronous calls (Bcast and multi cast) etc | 17:08 |
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| nikhil | I think it might be worth adding the scope of our requirements and bring that to the oslo.vo core team | 17:08 |
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| nikhil | given we choose to take that route | 17:09 |
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| mfedosin | also oslo.vo helps with architecture | 17:09 |
| nikhil | if all works out that seems like a good idea | 17:09 |
| nikhil | agreed | 17:09 |
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| mfedosin | I mean we can map Blob type directly to store with coercing | 17:09 |
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| mfedosin | you may see my example from the etherpad | 17:09 |
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| mfedosin | I think we need to investigate how oslo.vo behaves in our case | 17:10 |
| nikhil | I need more time to absorb that example and fit it into bigger pic | 17:10 |
| nikhil | yes | 17:10 |
| mfedosin | but we can leave oslo.vo as the main priority for glare | 17:11 |
| mfedosin | if it doesn't fir we can return to the idea of 'schema-on-schema' | 17:11 |
| mfedosin | *fit | 17:12 |
| nikhil | are there more comments that we might expect on the etherpad ? | 17:12 |
| mfedosin | I asked kairat to look there too | 17:12 |
| nikhil | ah cool | 17:12 |
| nikhil | hopefully we can get something today | 17:12 |
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| mfedosin | but we discussed it today and he agrees we the direction | 17:13 |
| nikhil | else, let's move forward with oslo.vo | 17:13 |
| mfedosin | okay, about the documentation | 17:13 |
| mfedosin | as I mentioned last week it's called What is Glare? | 17:14 |
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| mfedosin | and it provides an eagle view on the service | 17:14 |
| kairat_ | Does it describe current doc?) | 17:14 |
| mfedosin | it will help community members to be more familiar with Glare | 17:14 |
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| kairat_ | Current impl | 17:15 |
| kairat_ | or future implementation | 17:15 |
| mfedosin | and also will describe some usecases for our customers | 17:15 |
| nikhil | great | 17:15 |
| mfedosin | kairat_: it's something between Alex wanted to see and something that will work :) | 17:16 |
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| kairat_ | Heh | 17:16 |
| mfedosin | so, I have a picture of that | 17:16 |
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| mfedosin | #link https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13626875/glare.png | 17:17 |
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| mfedosin | it's based on oslo.vo | 17:17 |
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| mfedosin | idea is that we have unified api for all plugins (or 'oslo versioned objects' if you want) | 17:18 |
| mfedosin | then we have a unified api that all plugins must implement | 17:18 |
| mfedosin | but each plugin may have it's own data_api | 17:19 |
| kairat_ | That's simple and great imo | 17:19 |
| kairat_ | Good to hear | 17:19 |
| mfedosin | for example, for images it will be current Image tables | 17:19 |
| nikhil | what is a data_api ? | 17:19 |
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| kairat_ | Api to database | 17:20 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: the same thing we have in glance-api.conf | 17:20 |
| nikhil | ah | 17:20 |
| nikhil | seems logical | 17:20 |
| mfedosin | that's how heat does it https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/objects/stack.py#L25 | 17:21 |
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| mfedosin | so, we need to think about 2 things | 17:22 |
| mfedosin | 1. REST api - Alex almost did it for us | 17:22 |
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| mfedosin | we just need to add there requests for data upload/download | 17:23 |
| mfedosin | and we're cool :) | 17:23 |
| nikhil | yeah, not sure where heat separates it's data but glance does for metadefs and imgaes | 17:23 |
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| mfedosin | 2. Interface for oslo.vo classes | 17:24 |
| mfedosin | like 'save' data to db, 'get' from db, 'add_tag' and so on | 17:24 |
| mfedosin | also there is a patch from Alex to move glance v3 api to Glare v0.1 | 17:25 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: if you have time please review it and let's merge it | 17:26 |
| nikhil | sounds good | 17:26 |
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| mfedosin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255274/ | 17:26 |
| mfedosin | after that we will be able to start the development of glare v1 :) | 17:27 |
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| nikhil | ++ | 17:27 |
| kairat_ | We need to merge glare xlient code as well | 17:27 |
| mfedosin | and also - no Glance/Glare separation! | 17:27 |
| mfedosin | we will stay in glance repo | 17:28 |
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| kairat_ | But it is not a blocker | 17:28 |
| mfedosin | kairat_: you will be a core member tomorrow | 17:28 |
| kairat_ | What about murano requirements | 17:28 |
| kairat_ | Oops, cool)) | 17:29 |
| mfedosin | you will be able to merge everything | 17:29 |
| kairat_ | Heh | 17:29 |
| mfedosin | we will help you | 17:29 |
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| nikhil | hi I have a small request | 17:29 |
| mfedosin | but let's begin with a standalone service | 17:29 |
| nikhil | given we have a min or so | 17:29 |
| mfedosin | nikhil shoot | 17:29 |
| nikhil | can we move this meeting to 1730 UTC | 17:30 |
| nikhil | in this channel | 17:30 |
| nikhil | just checked and the slot is open | 17:30 |
| nikhil | I have a conflict at this time | 17:30 |
| mfedosin | I think it easy | 17:30 |
| kairat_ | Ok for me | 17:30 |
| mfedosin | same for me | 17:30 |
| nikhil | awesome, will send a review and email ML | 17:30 |
| kairat_ | Need to notify to dec mail | 17:30 |
| nikhil | thanks guys | 17:30 |
| mfedosin | nikhil please do | 17:30 |
| kairat_ | Dev mail | 17:30 |
| nikhil | yeah | 17:30 |
| mfedosin | okay, thank you all :) | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | glare is coming! | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | #endmeeting | 17:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 1 17:31:44 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:31 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts_sub_team/2016/glance_artifacts_sub_team.2016-02-01-17.00.html | 17:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts_sub_team/2016/glance_artifacts_sub_team.2016-02-01-17.00.txt | 17:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts_sub_team/2016/glance_artifacts_sub_team.2016-02-01-17.00.log.html | 17:31 |
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| catherineD|2 | #startmeeting refstack | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 1 19:01:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD|2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:01 |
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| pvaneck | o/ | 19:02 |
| alexandrelevine | o/ | 19:02 |
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| catherineD|2 | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-02-01 | 19:03 |
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| alexandrelevine | Hi, everybody. FYI: thanks to Andrey, here is the RefStack with implemented Vendors (you'll have to click fake Sign-In to see all) - http://52.49.129.72:8000/#/ | 19:05 |
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| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: that is great... yea thx to Andrey ... | 19:06 |
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| catherineD|2 | should foundation be listed in the vendor list? | 19:07 |
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| alexandrelevine | It will. | 19:07 |
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| catherineD|2 | but should it? | 19:07 |
| alexandrelevine | When it'll register Vendor OpenStack - it'll show. | 19:08 |
| sslypushenko | o/ | 19:08 |
| alexandrelevine | Why not? | 19:08 |
| catherineD|2 | in fact that is one of the topic for today;s discussion ... | 19:08 |
| catherineD|2 | sslypushenko: #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-02-01 | 19:08 |
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| alexandrelevine | Isn't it a Vendor? I'd say it's the most important one. And should be proudly displayed :) | 19:08 |
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| sslypushenko | catherineD|2: thx | 19:08 |
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| andrey-mp | I list Foundation in the list to make a link to Foundation page where user management will be. | 19:09 |
| catherineD|2 | #link Andrey's prototyp vendor UI http://52.49.129.72:8000/#/ | 19:09 |
| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: andrey-mp: we will discuss this later .. | 19:10 |
| catherineD|2 | #topic Organization and product entities | 19:10 |
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| catherineD|2 | #link Database tables spec : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268922/ | 19:10 |
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| catherineD|2 | once sslypushenko: review the spec .. we should be ready to merge ... | 19:11 |
| catherineD|2 | next could every one review Andrey's implementation ... | 19:11 |
| sslypushenko | sslypushenko: Will do it after this meeting | 19:11 |
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| catherineD|2 | #link organizatio/product data model implementation : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269066/ | 19:12 |
| catherineD|2 | sslypushenko: thx | 19:12 |
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| catherineD|2 | next I would liketo go to topic #3 first | 19:13 |
| catherineD|2 | #topic Product types: | 19:13 |
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| catherineD|2 | I suggest we use the same terms as used in the OpenStack Marketplace ... | 19:14 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD|2: +1 | 19:14 |
| catherineD|2 | in that way the marketplace can just is a link from refstack for detail data of the certifiication ... | 19:14 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: What do we gain? Are there any reqs motivating this? | 19:14 |
| catherineD|2 | so software product is actually distor | 19:15 |
| alexandrelevine | "distro" is fine but I don't see what's wrong with "software" | 19:15 |
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| alexandrelevine | distribution - is just a subset of software products. If I create my own Hello world script, put it into my cloud and register it for myself to test - it's not a distro, right? | 19:16 |
| catherineD|2 | I would like to replace the link (full results) in this page https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/distros/distribution/ibm/ibm-cloud-manager-with-openstack with a link to RefStack | 19:17 |
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| catherineD|2 | and I do not want to confuse openstack user | 19:18 |
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| sslypushenko | alexandrelevine: using the same terms with openstack.org will reduce user confusing. It is enough reason for such naming. Don't you think so? | 19:18 |
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| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: No, because it expands a number of types which will cause more problems. We'll need to define use-cases to work with those types. User will have to define it. What happens, when some private cloud becomes public. And so on. | 19:19 |
| catherineD|2 | if you clich "show full result link" on that page it goes to a table ... I would like that link to go to refstack | 19:19 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: I don't see how it relates to our naming in DB. I still think terms software and cloud are the most generic, native and safe. If we decide to somehow display them by political reasons later with other names - we'll have the chance. | 19:20 |
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| sslypushenko | alexandrelevine: If product type changes, we should change it in DB. Do we have other options? | 19:20 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: And again - the software we're speaking of not only "distros" | 19:21 |
| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: on the box where you lable software you can put (software, distro, appliances) ,,, they are the names of the entities that are privately held .. that is the main point ... | 19:21 |
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| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: Exactly. Which will create even more problems. All of this should be documented, thought of and (most important) traced to requirements. Do we have such requirements for such complications? | 19:21 |
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| rockyg | oops. here now. | 19:22 |
| catherineD|2 | rockyg: #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-02-01 | 19:22 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: I don't see what's wrong with software as a type in DB opposing cloud. I'm against "distro" | 19:22 |
| sslypushenko | alexandrelevine: we don't have such kind of issues now and I don't get why we can not change type in if it changes... | 19:23 |
| catherineD|2 | andrey-mp: what are the constants that you used for product? | 19:23 |
| sslypushenko | alexandrelevine: What is your point here? | 19:23 |
| andrey-mp | right now I defined two constants - software and cloud :) | 19:24 |
| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: Right now in the requirements and in the model we have just two types: software and cloud. Now 3 are suggested - software (or distro) and two kinds of cloud types. Model will change. UI will change. All of it should be described in requirements, no? | 19:24 |
| sslypushenko | It looks like I missed some part of discussion) | 19:24 |
| andrey-mp | because implementation doesn't need more than two | 19:24 |
| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: What do you mean what is my point? :) | 19:24 |
| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: I thought it's obvious. I don't want to have to types of clouds because it's not motivated by requirements. | 19:25 |
| sslypushenko | How it is effects UI? It should be agnostic to number of product types | 19:25 |
| alexandrelevine | "two types" | 19:25 |
| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: How during cloud registration we determine which type to use - public or private_host_cloud? | 19:25 |
| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: you do ... | 19:26 |
| catherineD|2 | vendor know what kind of product they have ... | 19:26 |
| sslypushenko | Under "we" you means RefStack? | 19:26 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Sorry, I lost you :) What "I do"? | 19:26 |
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| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: Yes | 19:26 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: sslypushenko asked how it affects UI. Vendor will have to manually enter the type of the cloud which he doesn't have to currently. | 19:27 |
| catherineD|2 | RefStack won't know which kind of product ... type is a user input | 19:27 |
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| sslypushenko | User will input this info. Visibility of product does not depend ob product type. So product type should not affect UI | 19:28 |
| alexandrelevine | Please don't get me wrong. I'll gladly accept N types of clouds. Let's ask our stakeholder (DefCore) about related requirements. If they formulate them, like "Vendor has to specify what kind of cloud he registers - public or private" - we'll comply. | 19:28 |
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| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: I will be gladly to take that to DefCore | 19:29 |
| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: How user enters this info? Where? He/she uses UI to register a Cloud. There should be a checkbox, dropdown or something for him/her to choose. That's how. | 19:29 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Absolutely, please do, if you think it's important and we want to have it right now. | 19:29 |
| sslypushenko | alexandrelevine: I think it can be kind of select or of product type and checkbox for private/public | 19:30 |
| catherineD|2 | #action Catherine will confirm with DefCore whether a vendor has to specifu what hind of product he registers -- public, private, distros, | 19:30 |
| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: I hope you don't confuse private/public cloud with our private(hidden)/public(visible to all) clouds in RefStack. | 19:31 |
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| catherineD|2 | specifu --> specify | 19:31 |
| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: I was just saying that it should be reflected in UI. | 19:31 |
| sslypushenko | alexandrelevine: sure | 19:31 |
| catherineD|2 | let's move on ... we will revisit this after we check with DefCore | 19:32 |
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| andrey-mp | why we need checkbox public/private ? i thought it will be a switch in a cloud page | 19:32 |
| sslypushenko | I just don't get why we should care about number of product types. It should be just kind of label | 19:32 |
| catherineD|2 | sslypushenko: +1 | 19:32 |
| catherineD|2 | #topic Vendor REST API | 19:33 |
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| alexandrelevine | andrey-mp: We're talking here about different private/public - private cloud or public cloud, not visibility in RefStack. | 19:33 |
| catherineD|2 | #link Vendor registation REST API spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274837/ | 19:33 |
| sslypushenko | andrey-mp: yeap, you are right | 19:33 |
| catherineD|2 | #link Vendor registration REST API implementation: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272188/ | 19:33 |
| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: It's one of the key properties in one of our key objects. If it's just a label - we'll put it into metadata and leave the type to differ "cloud", "software". | 19:33 |
| andrey-mp | about spec. 1. why we need deletion of vendor? | 19:34 |
| catherineD|2 | andrey-mp: it is just incase we need to ... but this should be a low priority ... | 19:34 |
| andrey-mp | ok | 19:35 |
| catherineD|2 | now the URL | 19:35 |
| catherineD|2 | since this is vendor registration ... it makes sense to be /v1/vendors | 19:35 |
| catherineD|2 | do we need /v1/foundations down the road ...? | 19:36 |
| andrey-mp | 2. i don't understand 'Only foundation admins can create an official vendor.'. As I understood from scenario document - vendors will be created by users and foundation will approve them | 19:36 |
| catherineD|2 | or would /v1/organizations be a better URL | 19:36 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: By the way, good point. I forgot several "removal" use-cases. Right now I have only one for Cloud removal. I guess I should add for Software and for Vendor, what do you think? | 19:37 |
| catherineD|2 | only foundation can create official vendor | 19:37 |
| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: I think so especialy for product ... | 19:37 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD|2: 'approve' sounds better here | 19:38 |
| rockyg | alexandrelevine, +1. Definitely vendors can go away. | 19:38 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD|2: who will be owner in this case? | 19:38 |
| catherineD|2 | we can talk about removal being soft or hard delete from the db ... but I think we need removal API but low priority | 19:38 |
| rockyg | Removal of vendor would be owned by foundation | 19:38 |
| andrey-mp | rockyg: good point | 19:39 |
| catherineD|2 | official vendors creation and removal both own by founation | 19:39 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: I think, "create" and "approve" it's the same - Foundation has the final say in the matter. | 19:39 |
| rockyg | removal of product, vendor or foundation. Same with cloud | 19:39 |
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| catherineD|2 | rockyg: I think removal of product should only own by vendor | 19:39 |
| andrey-mp | rockyg: i think that product and cloud (maybe only private) can be removed by ordinary user | 19:40 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Right now, you can see in the site that each User can request his created Vendor to be approved by Foundation. When Foundation admin approves - it'll become official. | 19:40 |
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| rockyg | If vendor goes away, and foundation removes, will all the products go away with vendor removal? | 19:40 |
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| andrey-mp | rockyg: yes. all products should removed with dependent vendor | 19:41 |
| alexandrelevine | andrey-mp: Definitely, private user clouds, software and non-approved vendors can be deleted by the User. | 19:41 |
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| andrey-mp | alexandelevine: i mean the same point | 19:41 |
| rockyg | Then ok. Foundation doesn't need to be able to remove sw or cloud | 19:41 |
| sslypushenko | rockyg: +1 | 19:41 |
| catherineD|2 | we talk about this ealier about the complication of register a vendor .. need confirmation of website,email etc | 19:41 |
| rockyg | Is there a way to transfer sw or cloud? like company or product line gets sold? Low priority | 19:42 |
| sslypushenko | Foundation should have only approval role and that is all | 19:42 |
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| catherineD|2 | DefCore decides that official_vendor will be from a list that openstack alreaidy has | 19:42 |
| andrey-mp | rockyg: it can be implemented via user management and vendor editing | 19:42 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Yes, and all of it will be entered by User during registration, but not by email - right in our RefStack site. Then Foundation admin checks everything and if all right approves. | 19:42 |
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| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: approving a vendor is not just register on RefStack ... there is legal procdedure that foundation need to do ... | 19:43 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: This'll be in the beginning. And in any case there should be a user-friendly mechanism for entering this data, no? | 19:43 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Of course. Clicking "approve" button is just the last step. What's wrong with that? | 19:44 |
| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: in the future maybe ... if RefStack taking a bigger task of on boarding vendor :-) | 19:44 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Does Foundation have new Vendors coming all the time? | 19:44 |
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| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: IMO, any implementation of approval process would not be just clicking a button .. it would involve a process and workflow . | 19:45 |
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| catherineD|2 | that is why at this phase only foundation memebers can create official vendors .. | 19:45 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Of course. Ok. Let's say, I'm a representative of EMC and I want EMC to register as a Vendor. What do I do? | 19:45 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Of course. The will do this. I'm just suggesting convenient infrastructure for this. | 19:46 |
| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: EMC will need to go thru what ever process OpenStack require a vendor to go thru | 19:46 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Perfect. I suggest this process to be connected with the RefStack. I go to the RefStack panel. Enter all the information and click "apply". The information is delivered to Foundation and it handles it exactly the way it does now. | 19:47 |
| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: I support we think ahead ... I oppose to allow user to create official vendor at this phase | 19:47 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Who said User can CREATE official vendor? | 19:47 |
| rockyg | catherineD|2, right. So, there might be more automation added in front of "approve" button when the foundation defines what the need. But right now, "approve" only happens after the manual process they go through. | 19:47 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: There is no such possibility. | 19:47 |
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| alexandrelevine | rockyg: Exactly. | 19:48 |
| pvaneck | I think one of my main worries with foundation-only vendor creation is the foundation member having trouble adding the first user for the vendor's group. | 19:48 |
| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: how do you send infor to Foundation? | 19:48 |
| pvaneck | Foundation has to procure and email to add, and that user has to have logged in to refstack once in order to have a record in refstack. This could lead to slow-down in the process. | 19:48 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: You can see it in the existing prototype. | 19:48 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: You can create Vendor, fill in all the fields and click "Register". That's it. Foundation admin goes to his page in the same RefStack Panel and see the new Pending Vendor. | 19:49 |
| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: I can't see what it is? you send an emai;? | 19:49 |
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| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: how do foundation member know how to go to this page? | 19:49 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Have you signed in? | 19:50 |
| catherineD|2 | we do not have all of this notification infra implemeneted to suport this | 19:50 |
| catherineD|2 | yea | 19:50 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Check "my vendors" at the bottom. | 19:50 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: You'll see "pending" vendors. | 19:50 |
| catherineD|2 | yes | 19:50 |
| alexandrelevine | And the button "approve registration" | 19:51 |
| alexandrelevine | There should be an action "decline registration", of course, as well. | 19:51 |
| alexandrelevine | This section "Pending vendors" will be available to Foundation Admin only. | 19:51 |
| andrey-mp | alexandrelevine: what should be in decline case? | 19:51 |
| catherineD|2 | yes my concern is how do you notify the person to take action ... and how do you control if that person does not take action? | 19:51 |
| alexandrelevine | andrey-mp: Information to user in "My Vendors" and status "declined" | 19:52 |
| catherineD|2 | I am talking about an entire notification workflow .. | 19:52 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: That's a different story. We can trigger it by manual email or by automatic email or by periodic checking - in any case it's no worse than anything without it. | 19:53 |
| rockyg | catherineD|2, good point. An email to a list would be good on vendor completing their end of the process. But right now, the foundation can easily lose stuff. And does;-) | 19:53 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: How does the entire notification workflow work now? Personal email? | 19:53 |
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| catherineD|2 | rockyg: exactly ... that is why in this phase .. foundation has the sole responsibility to create/remove vendor | 19:54 |
| catherineD|2 | until we have all this infrastructure in place ... | 19:54 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: It still does. Come on, what's the difference? | 19:54 |
| rockyg | so, right now, personal email or email alias. But it's all a manual process. So, no reminders if the email gets buried. | 19:54 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Ok. How do you suggest they deliver this info into our DB now. | 19:54 |
| rockyg | So, anything we automate will be better than what they currently have | 19:55 |
| alexandrelevine | rockyg: Exactly. | 19:55 |
| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: at this point official_vendor can only be created by foundation ... | 19:55 |
| rockyg | Maybe we should have a "ping foundation" button for the vendors ?) | 19:55 |
| alexandrelevine | catherinD: By what means? | 19:55 |
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| alexandrelevine | rockyg: "Register" is such a ping button. | 19:55 |
| alexandrelevine | rockyg: Do you have "ping" button in OpenStack review? | 19:56 |
| rockyg | alexandrelevine, by manually adding them to the website. Probably through content management system. Forget the name of that thing. | 19:56 |
| alexandrelevine | rockyg: I can tell you how it works. We have to use email and IRC and skype to ping core teams to check our reviews, usually, right? | 19:56 |
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| rockyg | alexandrelevine, or you can change the commit message. But lose all the votes | 19:57 |
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| catherineD|2 | foundation members (like Chris) will create vendor from the RefStack UI , in addiiton RefStack will provide tools to import a vendor list in Json file ..pvaneck: is working on the import tools | 19:57 |
| rockyg | Just because the devs don't make it convenient, doesn't mean we can't for the vendors and foundation | 19:57 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: What RefStack UI should look like to create a vendor? | 19:57 |
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| sslypushenko | catherineD|2: It looks overcomplication | 19:58 |
| catherineD|2 | all the input field as needed ... | 19:58 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Right now, it's exactly the Vendor creation. Just it's done by a proper person. | 19:58 |
| rockyg | "Push the button, Max!" Reference to movie Around the world in 80 Days | 19:58 |
| catherineD|2 | sslypushenko: what is over complication? | 19:58 |
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| sslypushenko | exporting vendors data | 19:58 |
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| catherineD|2 | importing data | 19:59 |
| catherineD|2 | ? | 19:59 |
| sslypushenko | It looks like we need more time for discussion | 19:59 |
| sslypushenko | export/import workflow is overcomplication | 19:59 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Ok, I don't see any advantage of manual work with lists, import and such in comparison with nice input page in the panel where user fills in all the required info and Foundation admin only has to process it and approve. | 19:59 |
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| catherineD|2 | #link please check this link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-refstack-ation-items | 19:59 |
| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: +1 | 19:59 |
| * redrobot pokes head in | 20:00 | |
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| catherineD|2 | it was decided by DefCore on 20151029 that vendor will be import | 20:00 |
| catherineD|2 | sorry | 20:00 |
| catherineD|2 | qew need to end meeting | 20:00 |
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| catherineD|2 | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 1 20:00:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-02-01-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-02-01-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-02-01-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 1 20:00:53 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
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| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:01 |
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| kfarr | o/ | 20:01 |
| jmckind | o/ | 20:01 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| silos | \o/ | 20:01 |
| pdesai | o/ | 20:01 |
| jhfeng | o/ | 20:01 |
| diazjf | o/ | 20:01 |
| mp1 | o / | 20:01 |
| edtubill | o/ | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | #topic Action Items | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | I've totally been slacking on these. I did manage to complete 1/4 | 20:02 |
| maxabidi | 0/ | 20:02 |
| maxabidi | o/ | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | I sent pdesai some details regarding the doc team ask of publishing our API guide on docs.openstack.org/api-guide | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | but I'll have to punt on the other thee action items | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | #action edrobot to check on status of reported security bug | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #undo | 20:03 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x9377c10> | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to check on status of reported security bug | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | #action redrobot to ping ccneill about the nova+cinder security bug | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to touch base with Designate folks | 20:04 |
| redrobot | clear | 20:04 |
| * redrobot needs some coffee | 20:04 | |
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| rellerreller | o/ | 20:04 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #topic Liaison Updates | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | I don't have anything to report today... any of our other liaisons have anything to update on? | 20:05 |
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| pdesai | yup i received your email redrobot, we need two patches for it, before we get started with those patches, it will be great to have this merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236123/11 (userguide on orders) | 20:05 |
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| alee | o/ | 20:05 |
| redrobot | pdesai agreed | 20:06 |
| redrobot | hi alee ! | 20:06 |
| redrobot | alee any updates from Magnum? | 20:06 |
| alee | no updates | 20:06 |
| redrobot | alrighty | 20:07 |
| redrobot | moving on to today's agenda | 20:07 |
| elmiko | o/ | 20:07 |
| alee | sorry - I've been focused on getting ready for conferenrce this week | 20:07 |
| redrobot | alee no worries | 20:07 |
| redrobot | #topics Castellan Object Patches | 20:07 |
| redrobot | #topic Castellan Object Patches | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | diazjf o/ | 20:07 |
| diazjf | So rellerreller and kfarr have provided excellent feedback. I was concerned on wether we should limit the parameters or include all possible keystone parameters for auth | 20:08 |
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| diazjf | See comments in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270602/ | 20:08 |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:08 |
| diazjf | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270602/2/castellan/common/credentials/keystone_password.py | 20:09 |
| diazjf | I agree with rellerreller and will update the patch tonight | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | diazjf awesome | 20:10 |
| rellerreller | :) | 20:10 |
| redrobot | #topic Google Hangouts | 20:10 |
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| redrobot | diazjf another one of yours | 20:10 |
| diazjf | yup :) | 20:10 |
| diazjf | ok so I wanted to setup 2 google hangout sessions this week | 20:10 |
| diazjf | 1 to go over BYOK | 20:11 |
| jkf | o/ | 20:11 |
| diazjf | 2 to help alee with puppet | 20:11 |
| diazjf | Just wanted to see if there was any interest in going over these topics this week | 20:11 |
| rellerreller | +1 for BYOK | 20:11 |
| alee | diazjf, I'd love to set up a session but I'll bve travelling/ in conference for most of the week. | 20:12 |
| kfarr | diazjf +1 BYOK | 20:12 |
| diazjf | rellerreller, kfarr, how do you feel about Tuesday or Wednesday? | 20:12 |
| diazjf | alee, we'll talk then when you get back | 20:12 |
| rellerreller | Tuesday is better for me | 20:12 |
| kfarr | either works for me, afternoons are better | 20:13 |
| rellerreller | 3:00 PM ET Tuesday? | 20:13 |
| alee | diazjf, if you like , we can talk a bit after this meeting. | 20:13 |
| diazjf | rellerreller, perfect | 20:13 |
| diazjf | alee, sure we can talk a little about it | 20:13 |
| rellerreller | kfarr ? | 20:13 |
| alee | diazjf, ok - lets do that | 20:14 |
| kfarr | rellerreller, diazjf +1 for 3 | 20:14 |
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| diazjf | awesome, so I have nothing else | 20:15 |
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| redrobot | diazjf awesome, thanks | 20:15 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:15 |
| redrobot | #topic Blueprints | 20:15 |
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| redrobot | we still have a lot of blueprints in review | 20:16 |
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| redrobot | and there's only 4 weeks of development time left | 20:16 |
| redrobot | before the feature freeze release | 20:16 |
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| silos | I updated the ones on launchpad in barbican that had the 'mitaka' release target | 20:16 |
| redrobot | silos awesome! you da man! | 20:17 |
| silos | redrobot: thx! | 20:17 |
| redrobot | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | Also please take a look at the open specs for review | 20:18 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/barbican-specs+status:open | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | that's all we had on the agenda for today | 20:19 |
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| redrobot | #topi Open Discussion | 20:19 |
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| redrobot | are there any other topics we should talk about while we're here? | 20:19 |
| woodster_ | Please review this CR, as it adds missing contraint/defaults when setting up database via alembic: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274276/ | 20:19 |
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| rellerreller | Any proposed talks for Austin? | 20:20 |
| jkf | I'd like to get some more eyes on the pkcs11 padding bug fix I submitted, so it can get merged... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270572 | 20:20 |
| redrobot | rellerreller good question | 20:20 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-austin-summit-talks | 20:20 |
| hockeynut | o/ better late than never! | 20:20 |
| redrobot | rellerreller ^^ we have an etherpad to track those | 20:20 |
| redrobot | today is the last day to propose talks, so if you have something in mind, today would be the day to put an abstract in! | 20:21 |
| panatl | o/ | 20:21 |
| arunkant | redrobot: can core reviewer look into audit patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217523/ ..has been pending for a while. | 20:21 |
| hockeynut | rellerreller noooooo! | 20:22 |
| * hockeynut is looking for the attendance etherpad | 20:22 | |
| rellerreller | hockeynut ? | 20:22 |
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| arunkant | _wooster: Can you please look into this again (sqlaclhemy connection leak) : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263358/ | 20:23 |
| arunkant | s/_wooste/_woodster | 20:24 |
| jhfeng | redrobot: we submitted one. I'll add it into the etherpad | 20:24 |
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| woodster_ | arunkant: will do | 20:26 |
| redrobot | any other topics we should talk about? | 20:27 |
| arunkant | thanks woodster_ | 20:27 |
| redrobot | if not we can be done with the meeting early today. | 20:27 |
| arunkant | redrobot: I did update the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263972/ | 20:28 |
| redrobot | arunkant awesome | 20:28 |
| redrobot | woodster_ rellerreller can you guys please re-review arunkant 's BP | 20:28 |
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| arunkant | redrobot: looks like most of rellerreller questions/concerns were answered in previous patch discussion. | 20:29 |
| redrobot | I'm concerned that it probably won't land for mitaka since it's such a big change. | 20:29 |
| rellerreller | I would not say that all of my concerns are gone. | 20:29 |
| arunkant | redrobot: It depends on how soon this is approved. | 20:29 |
| rellerreller | One feature that is common to PKCS11 and KMIP is key wrapping. I think that needs to be worked out before agreeing to this. | 20:29 |
| arunkant | rellerreller: Please mention the details of issue in patch. As per earlier comments, transport key should not be a concern. | 20:30 |
| rellerreller | I think this should be discussed in Austin. | 20:31 |
| arunkant | rellerreller: summit is over 2 months away..will be good to have some progress before that. | 20:32 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller +1 ... I think it should be good to iterate on the Blueprint before then though. | 20:32 |
| rellerreller | redrobot +1 | 20:32 |
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| redrobot | ok y'all | 20:33 |
| redrobot | seems like we're out of topics for today | 20:33 |
| redrobot | so we all get 25 min of our day back. :) | 20:34 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 20:34 |
| redrobot | don't forget to review! | 20:34 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 1 20:34:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-02-01-20.00.html | 20:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-02-01-20.00.txt | 20:34 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-02-01-20.00.log.html | 20:34 |
| elmiko | thanks redrobot | 20:34 |
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| barrett1 | #startmeeting Product Working Group | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 1 21:00:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is barrett1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Product Working Group)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:00 |
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| shamail | hi all | 21:00 |
| leong | hi | 21:00 |
| barrett1 | Hi Folks - Let's start with role call | 21:00 |
| sgordon` | o/ | 21:01 |
| barrett1 | Hi Shamail | 21:01 |
| pchadwick | o/ | 21:01 |
| barrett1 | Hi Leong | 21:01 |
| barrett1 | Hi Pete | 21:01 |
| shamail | Present | 21:01 |
| barrett1 | Hi Steve | 21:01 |
| kencjohnston | o/ | 21:01 |
| pchadwick | Hi all | 21:01 |
| kencjohnston | welcome back barrett1 ! | 21:01 |
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| shamail | ++ | 21:01 |
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| barrett1 | Thanks Kenny - Good to type with everyone again ;-) | 21:01 |
| kencjohnston | :) | 21:01 |
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| kencjohnston | It's a miracle shamail survived | 21:02 |
| barrett1 | The agenda can be found here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:02 |
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| shamail | haha | 21:02 |
| barrett1 | kencjohnston: LOL | 21:02 |
| leong_ | LOL | 21:02 |
| barrett1 | more suprising is that you missed me at all! | 21:02 |
| thingee | o/ | 21:02 |
| barrett1 | Hi MIke | 21:03 |
| barrett1 | Ok Let's get going | 21:03 |
| barrett1 | #topic Review actions items from last meeting | 21:03 |
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| barrett1 | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-01-25-21.00.html | 21:03 |
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| shamail | I can start with mine | 21:04 |
| barrett1 | Thanks Shamail | 21:04 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 21:04 |
| shamail | I sent an email out to the mailing list to ask for more volunteers as CPL (mainly Keystone) but no replies | 21:04 |
| shamail | hi Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:04 |
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| kencjohnston | barrett1 I can report we did merge the pending "Upgrades Gaps Analysis" CR | 21:04 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | saw that. | 21:05 |
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| shamail | I also sent out the reminder for the CFP submission deadline (which was extended today to tomorrow) | 21:05 |
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| barrett1 | kencjohnston:: we'll get to yours in a min | 21:05 |
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| shamail | I still have to update the wiki go incorporate the CSPL role in the workflow | 21:05 |
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| shamail | ill do that this week | 21:05 |
| shamail | thats all from me :] | 21:05 |
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| MarkBaker | 0/ | 21:06 |
| leong | i haven't update the FAQ yet | 21:06 |
| leong | i can't seem to find the email from Kenny | 21:06 |
| kencjohnston | leong I'll forward it to you now | 21:06 |
| leong | kencjohnston: do you still have that email>? | 21:06 |
| leong | ok. thanks! | 21:06 |
| barrett1 | Shamail: What follow-on actions should we take since there was no response to your email? | 21:06 |
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| leong | i have included the meeting-time to midcycle meetup agenda | 21:07 |
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| shamail | Let's take it up at the mid-cycle since there is a bigger topic there | 21:07 |
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| barrett1 | Shamail: OK | 21:07 |
| rockyg | o/ | 21:07 |
| shamail | The next major item we need the CPL for is the roadmap refresh so holding off until mid-cycle won't slow anything down | 21:07 |
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| barrett1 | Leong: When will you complete the FAQ update by? | 21:08 |
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| leong | today.. once i got the email :-) | 21:08 |
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| barrett1 | #action Leong Complete update of FAQ adding in FAQ by 2/2/16 | 21:09 |
| leong | and just got the email :-) | 21:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK. I will update QA one after mid cycle | 21:09 |
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| barrett1 | kencjohnston: Update on your action item? | 21:09 |
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| kencjohnston | barrett1 As mentioned CR was merged on Thursday | 21:09 |
| * shamail cheers | 21:10 | |
| kencjohnston | barrett1 For the other item, opening the user story for review and sending around the gerrit link to Openstack-Dev, I need some advice | 21:10 |
| kencjohnston | is there a best practice for creating a CR for review that doesn't have any changes? | 21:10 |
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| barrett1 | kencjohnston: Great! (Sorry, still spinning back up on IRC flow) | 21:10 |
| kencjohnston | I would imagine thingee sgordon` or rockyg woudl know. | 21:10 |
| sgordon` | what did i break | 21:11 |
| shamail | lol | 21:11 |
| kencjohnston | sgordon` ha | 21:11 |
| rocky_g | I would think you could just change the commit message to something like gettingg dev input to..... | 21:11 |
| thingee | what is a cr? | 21:11 |
| sgordon` | so kencjohnston when you propose it | 21:11 |
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| kencjohnston | thingee change request | 21:11 |
| sgordon` | i think you need to do it against a new folder | 21:11 |
| sgordon` | proposed instead of draft | 21:11 |
| rocky_g | change request | 21:11 |
| sgordon` | thus it is in fact a new change | 21:11 |
| shamail | thingee: patch in gerrit | 21:11 |
| thingee | you want to submit a change request that doesn't have changes? | 21:11 |
| rocky_g | otherwise known as how to start a new review on existing files that aren't changing? | 21:12 |
| kencjohnston | thingee correect, so we have something open to accept comments on | 21:12 |
| pchadwick | Why can't we just comment on the base? | 21:12 |
| thingee | Ok hang on | 21:12 |
| thingee | I think we talked about this in the past. | 21:13 |
| rocky_g | yup | 21:13 |
| kencjohnston | pchadwick I don't know how to do that, say more. | 21:13 |
| thingee | So I think last time we discussed, we said people merge stuff right away, because of readable reasons | 21:13 |
| shamail | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255633/ | 21:13 |
| thingee | I said, what's so hard to read the format of these documents | 21:13 |
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| sgordon` | pchadwick, it | 21:13 |
| shamail | thingee, added the link to the review in question for your ref. | 21:13 |
| sgordon` | pchadwick, it's already merged | 21:13 |
| thingee | and people agreed that it wasn't hard to read | 21:13 |
| sgordon` | pchadwick, so there is no review to comment on | 21:13 |
| pchadwick | Ah - ok | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | what is the point to comment on what is merged already? | 21:14 |
| sgordon` | Arkady_Kanevsky, dev review time | 21:14 |
| kencjohnston | Arkady_Kanevsky We wanted to ask a broader group for their feedback on the user story | 21:14 |
| thingee | So here's the thing, if people prefer to have something rendered in order to do reviews, we can have a job set to render documents | 21:14 |
| thingee | but I think merging things right away is not a good idea | 21:14 |
| sgordon` | +1 | 21:14 |
| shamail | This user story went through an internal review (only PWG members have looked at it) and we would now like to send it out to openstack-dev for greater community feedback | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +2 | 21:14 |
| thingee | you should merge things when it's approved, and keep it iterating and commenting until you can merge it | 21:14 |
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| thingee | the reason why gerrit doesn't allow what you're asking for is because it wasn't meant to be used this way | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Do we want wider audience to comment on whole user story? | 21:15 |
| kencjohnston | thingee agreed. Honestly I think I'll just make some nit changes to the doc and submit them for review and leave it open. | 21:15 |
| shamail | all, maybe we should only accept things into "proposed" that have gone through PWG review and reserve "tracked" for community review... thoughts? | 21:15 |
| sgordon` | we actually already have a job that renders the stuff afaict | 21:15 |
| sgordon` | e.g. http://docs-draft.openstack.org/33/255633/7/gate/gate-openstack-user-stories-docs/8b21a31//doc/build/html/ | 21:15 |
| kencjohnston | any objections to that? | 21:15 |
| thingee | So I recommend we revert the merge of the file and then post again. | 21:15 |
| leong | shamail +1 | 21:15 |
| shamail | thingee: +1 | 21:15 |
| thingee | sgordon`: excellent | 21:15 |
| sgordon` | folks may not necessarily realize that you can click through to that from the review though | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do not like revert. | 21:16 |
| barrett1 | shamail: +1 | 21:16 |
| thingee | Arkady_Kanevsky: well you can't comment then | 21:16 |
| shamail | Does my suggestion sound okay (for workflow amendment?)... it doesn't work in this case but we can prevent this scenario in the future | 21:16 |
| thingee | that's just not gerrit reviews work | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | It is better to resubmit the full proposal for other folks to comment on it. | 21:16 |
| sgordon` | what about if they do a move? | 21:16 |
| leong | sgordon, looks like that job need to change to cater for the recently changes in folder structure | 21:16 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Intiial merge shows that our group accepted it | 21:17 |
| sgordon` | e.g. currently it's draft/mything.rst and they propose moving it to proposed/mything.rst | 21:17 |
| thingee | Arkady_Kanevsky: if they accepted it, why do you need comments | 21:17 |
| sgordon` | (just riffing off the original flow) | 21:17 |
| thingee | you can't have it both ways | 21:17 |
| shamail | barrett1, can you assign the action item to me? | 21:17 |
| shamail | draft: review for syntax and language, proposed: internal PWG review, tracked: community review before merge | 21:17 |
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| sgordon` | as a reminder this was the draft workflow: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories | 21:18 |
| kencjohnston | shamail I'm happy to repost I just didn't know if there was a best practice | 21:18 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Like the idea that we submit a pulll request to Copy or move user story from draft to accepted folder | 21:18 |
| sgordon` | i think folks are talking past each other | 21:18 |
| barrett1 | #action Shamail draft: review for syntax and language, proposed: internal PWG review, tracked: community review before merge | 21:18 |
| kencjohnston | sgordon` +! | 21:18 |
| kencjohnston | +1 :) | 21:18 |
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| shamail | sgordon`: +1 | 21:18 |
| thingee | Arkady_Kanevsky: but then people can't comment on the draft | 21:18 |
| barrett1 | The action is assigned, but we need to decide what to do with the current situation | 21:18 |
| sgordon` | so what we have atm from that diagram is a heap of stuff in the first column | 21:18 |
| thingee | Arkady_Kanevsky: it just doesn't work that way | 21:18 |
| shamail | barrett1: +1 | 21:18 |
| sgordon` | which has been merged in draft/ | 21:18 |
| shamail | I agree with thingee, maybe unmerge for this particular case | 21:19 |
| barrett1 | kencjohnston: What direction do you want to go? | 21:19 |
| kencjohnston | I'm happy to unmerge, rebuild the changes that happened during review and resubmit | 21:19 |
| kencjohnston | I'm also happy to submit a nit change on the doc | 21:19 |
| barrett1 | Does anyone have heartburn with that approach? | 21:19 |
| shamail | ooo | 21:19 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | we can add the state. | 21:19 |
| shamail | I prefer the nit change :) | 21:19 |
| shamail | would serve the same purpose of opening up reviews again. | 21:19 |
| barrett1 | Are we good with the Nit Change? | 21:20 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Then we submit pull rquest toi change state to "VOTED" and let people to comment on full proposal. | 21:20 |
| rocky_g | No, I like Arkady's, plan. We can add a comment to the userstory so that it is changed. Then the reviews will happen again. | 21:20 |
| shamail | agreed sgordon` | 21:20 |
| sgordon` | i am still thinking just moving it to proposed/ | 21:20 |
| sgordon` | will make the whole thing come up as a new review | 21:20 |
| rocky_g | We can add "Approved by PWG {date} | 21:20 |
| barrett1 | rocky_g: Isn't that the Nit approach? | 21:20 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Wee have 2 levers. One is state. and one is folder. | 21:20 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Change for each is new pull request | 21:21 |
| rocky_g | Either way works for me. But having the record in the doc I think is a good thing | 21:21 |
| barrett1 | OK so we have 2 proposals on the table: Change the State to Proposed (from Tracked) or make a Nit Change to cause new review cycle | 21:21 |
| thingee | What is the point of this idea though? Gerrit reviews are for approving. Why create yet another thing for approving? | 21:22 |
| shamail | it should be passed proposed now (since we have all reviewed it) and it is getting resource assignments/gap | 21:22 |
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| thingee | or rather indicating something is approved | 21:22 |
| shamail | barrett1: I vote for nit change | 21:22 |
| rocky_g | Different group is approving the second time round | 21:22 |
| barrett1 | thingee: it's to gather comments | 21:22 |
| shamail | thingee: the first approval was from the PWG... we want to now open it up for community review now that we agree with it | 21:22 |
| thingee | But your process is the reason why you're creating this other thing | 21:22 |
| thingee | let me explain again | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | different audience. And because of that different merge criteria. | 21:22 |
| thingee | The initial review is the time to gather comments. Don't merge the thing until comments are satisified. The things that aren't ready are the open reviews. | 21:23 |
| thingee | I just can't understand why we're making things more complicated | 21:23 |
| pchadwick | But this is more like just adding another gate | 21:23 |
| thingee | why? | 21:23 |
| thingee | what do you gain? | 21:23 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | see https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/File:Userstoryflow.png | 21:23 |
| pchadwick | we have reviewed, now we get wider input | 21:23 |
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| thingee | cc people you want wider input from. that's the point of gerrit reviews | 21:24 |
| rocky_g | So, the first merge is PWG is ready to expose the story for comments/approval. It's a multistage comment/approval process. | 21:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | <pchadwick> - right | 21:24 |
| sgordon` | i am +1 to what thingee is saying here because we have some recent items that i think would get early negative feedback from the community and it's better to realize that sooner than later | 21:24 |
| pchadwick | Last time we said we wanted the developers to look at it. | 21:24 |
| thingee | we do it on cross-project specs all the time | 21:24 |
| sgordon` | so that you can work that feedback in | 21:24 |
| thingee | pchadwick: great, why can't they comment on the initial review before merging? | 21:24 |
| sgordon` | as it stands it's "approved" but that doesn't really mean a lot in the grand scheme of things | 21:24 |
| pchadwick | Ok, so then PWG shouldn't merge until we get the reviews. | 21:25 |
| thingee | right | 21:25 |
| kencjohnston | An alternative would be to send an email to the dev list and say "CRs welcome"? | 21:25 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | The first stage is to get enough content for developers to review it. If we are missing impact on some project, say nova, then nova dev folks will just ignore it. | 21:25 |
| barrett1 | Folks - I think we've got 2 discussions going in parallel. How to handle the current situation and how to update our work flow for future use | 21:25 |
| shamail | thingee and sgordon`: Are you suggesting that the first review (product-wg review) should happen at the draft state and then it should be open thereafter? | 21:25 |
| barrett1 | Can we solve these one at a time? | 21:25 |
| thingee | I guess who are the developers that you want to talk to? | 21:25 |
| shamail | barrett1: +1 | 21:25 |
| kencjohnston | barrett1 +1, one at a time. | 21:26 |
| shamail | Let's park the "workflow for future use" until the mid-cycle and focus on the current rolling upgrades story for now... | 21:26 |
| barrett1 | Shamail: +1 | 21:26 |
| leong | shamail +! | 21:26 |
| pchadwick | +1 | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:26 |
| rocky_g | +1 | 21:26 |
| barrett1 | #action Carol Add work flow changes to mid-cycle agenda | 21:27 |
| kencjohnston | shamail +1 | 21:27 |
| thingee | barrett1: if you remember, this came up because you can't figure out how to get comments on something you already merged. This is going to keep happening until you resolve the workflow problem | 21:27 |
| * shamail had to put out a small kitchen fire while having this conversation... good times. | 21:27 | |
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| barrett1 | thingee: the midcycle is in 2 weeks, think we'll be OK til then | 21:27 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | pointer to rolling upgrade user story? | 21:27 |
| thingee | so don't merge anything until then | 21:27 |
| pchadwick | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254389/ | 21:28 |
| * rocky_g would have like to roast some marshmallows befor shamail put out his fire | 21:28 | |
| barrett1 | thingee: It's already been merged and we want to get developer feedback - this is the situation we're trying to figure out | 21:28 |
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| thingee | ok so you can't. I just told you that. | 21:28 |
| kencjohnston | How about I'll just send my note with a reference to the User Story and ask for changes. | 21:28 |
| thingee | you have to unmerge it and post it for review again | 21:28 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | it has 2 +2 already. Do you still want input for it? | 21:28 |
| shamail | Let's make a small change so it re-opens it... | 21:29 |
| kencjohnston | Does that work for everyone? | 21:29 |
| thingee | kencjohnston: that's going to be annoyign to have a bunch of reviews for one thing to get feedback | 21:29 |
| thingee | it's also just not the normal workflow in the openstack project | 21:29 |
| barrett1 | Shamail +1; | 21:29 |
| barrett1 | kencjohnston: +1 | 21:29 |
| kencjohnston | thingee ok so the next alternative in my mind is the nit change. | 21:29 |
| shamail | thingee: so the best way would be to remove it and then re-submit? | 21:29 |
| thingee | shamail: that also is a problem. Some of the review will be collapsed unless people expand the parts that are not similar to the previous revision | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do yuou want the feedback for just that change or for the whole proposal? If full proposal - please, resubmit | 21:30 |
| thingee | shamail: people assume the review is the stuff highlighted | 21:30 |
| shamail | thingee: makes sense. | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | core folks - you can vote +1 and wait for more review before you votre +2 | 21:30 |
| rocky_g | Thingee, we're not a "project" persee, so our process may be different. | 21:30 |
| shamail | Cleanest way seems to be to submit a patch to remove the story, then kencjohnston resubmit it. | 21:30 |
| rocky_g | We are adapting a dev tool to work for our purposes. | 21:30 |
| kencjohnston | shamail ok sounds good. I can do that. | 21:30 |
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| shamail | sorry for the re-work kencjohnston | 21:31 |
| barrett1 | Thingee: Are you OK with that approach? | 21:31 |
| kencjohnston | not really rework... | 21:31 |
| shamail | I'll keep an eye out and approve as soon as you submit (the removal) | 21:31 |
| thingee | rocky_g: ok, well if you're going to interact with the openstack community, they're not going to pick up on this process unless you explain it to them. and good luck with developers following all the instructions | 21:31 |
| thingee | or humans in general :) | 21:31 |
| rocky_g | Another thing we could do is add links to reviews that address this issue. There are projects already working on it. | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | you can revert... | 21:31 |
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| thingee | barrett1: yes | 21:32 |
| barrett1 | #action kencjohnston submit a patch to remove the story, then resubmit it. | 21:32 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | then resubmit | 21:32 |
| shamail | awesome. | 21:32 |
| barrett1 | Folks - Can we close this one? | 21:32 |
| kencjohnston | barrett1 +1 | 21:32 |
| thingee | and who are the developers that you want to target? | 21:32 |
| shamail | barrett1, +1 | 21:32 |
| rocky_g | Also, by adding the review links, we can get devs to comment on adding/removing others and it starts to build toward the gap analysis | 21:32 |
| pchadwick | barrett1 +1 | 21:32 |
| thingee | barrett1: ^ | 21:33 |
| barrett1 | thingee: do we need to be explicit? | 21:33 |
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| thingee | well I think it's not entirely useful to say the openstack developers. Trust me, I've been a ptl for a project for a couple of releases and leading the cross-project initiatives. | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | we can add PTL for each project impacted for review. | 21:34 |
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| thingee | saying everyone is just throwing ideas at noise. Having focused people is more useful | 21:34 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Or we can add Perez for it. | 21:34 |
| barrett1 | kencjohnston: Do you know how to target the review to the PTLs for the key Projects we're targeing? | 21:34 |
| kencjohnston | barrett1 Yes, I will do CPLs and PTLs | 21:34 |
| thingee | and that's why I ask this. I think PTLs are really unreliable unless they're onboard with helping | 21:35 |
| kencjohnston | barrett1 plus some other ugprade folks I know in various projects. | 21:35 |
| thingee | because you're one of many working groups wanting their attention | 21:35 |
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| shamail | kencjohnston: +1, should TC be copied too? | 21:35 |
| kencjohnston | shamail I'm not sure, I'm open to adding them as an FYI | 21:35 |
| barrett1 | #action kencjohnston Target the User Story review to required PTLs and Devs working on Upgrades | 21:36 |
| barrett1 | Let's move on | 21:36 |
| egafford | kencjohnston: +1 to add both CPLs and PTLs; increases chance that it'll receive attention from each project without diluting the call to action too much. | 21:36 |
| shamail | kencjohnston, fyi is good | 21:36 |
| rocky_g | Don't include TCs They've got enough on their plates and many are PTLs anyway. | 21:36 |
| thingee | shamail, kencjohnston it's pretty easy. In gerrit you click the add button and start typing in their name. It'll auto-complete | 21:36 |
| shamail | thingee: +1 | 21:36 |
| kencjohnston | thingee thanks! | 21:36 |
| barrett1 | Next actions are about reviewing User stories - did folks complete those? | 21:36 |
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| barrett1 | #link https://review.openstack.org/253228 | 21:37 |
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| barrett1 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269874 | 21:37 |
| barrett1 | I will review this week; others ? | 21:38 |
| shamail | barrett1: same here, sorry for the delay everyone. | 21:38 |
| pchadwick | +1 | 21:38 |
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| barrett1 | OK - will carry this action over | 21:38 |
| barrett1 | # Action all Please review https://review.openstack.org/253228 | 21:38 |
| barrett1 | #Action all Please review https://review.openstack.org/253228 | 21:39 |
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| barrett1 | #Action all Please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269874 | 21:39 |
| barrett1 | Next one is Shamail'sbout proposals | 21:39 |
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| barrett1 | #topic OpenStack Austin Talk Proposals | 21:40 |
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| barrett1 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/austin_summit_product_wg | 21:40 |
| barrett1 | Piet: Are you here? | 21:40 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269874 - its already merged. are oyu going to reopenit for comments? | 21:41 |
| piet | Running an interview w an operator | 21:41 |
| barrett1 | Piet: OK, was wondering where you are on the UX BoF on Personas | 21:41 |
| barrett1 | Rocky_g: What's that status on yours? | 21:41 |
| piet | BoF? | 21:42 |
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| barrett1 | BoF = Bird of Feather | 21:42 |
| barrett1 | pchadwick: What's the status on yours? | 21:42 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | BOF sounds good. But it need to be done jointly with operator and user groups. | 21:42 |
| piet | We didn't submit as BoF | 21:42 |
| piet | Gotta go | 21:43 |
| rocky_g | I'm gonna put it together today. I'm thinking we could do both the newbie session and a BOF. | 21:43 |
| pchadwick | I have the abstract, but no feedback on ether pad | 21:43 |
| pchadwick | (for the Epic discussion) | 21:43 |
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| barrett1 | rocky_g: Sound good | 21:43 |
| barrett1 | pchadwick: can you post the link? | 21:43 |
| pchadwick | On the enterprise panel we only have one committed participant | 21:43 |
| barrett1 | pchadwick: who is it? | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | BOF on big tent and multiple releases - droping it. No time to prepare submission | 21:43 |
| barrett1 | Arkady_Kanevsky: OK | 21:44 |
| pchadwick | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/austin_summit_product_wg (last one on the list) | 21:44 |
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| barrett1 | pchadwick: any word back from Doug Hellman? | 21:44 |
| pchadwick | Not yet | 21:44 |
| barrett1 | dhellmann: Are you around? | 21:45 |
| shamail | pchadwick, I like the abstract but do you want to call out that epics == themes? | 21:45 |
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| pchadwick | shamail +1 | 21:45 |
| thingee | Arkady_Kanevsky: for what it's worth, Thierry and Doug covered that subject quite well https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/videos/presentation/herding-cats-into-boxes-how-openstack-release-management-changes-with-the-big-tent ... curious what you see we would get from a bof? | 21:45 |
| shamail | We have been referring to them as "themes" in our roadmap presentation and mitaka PTL interviews | 21:45 |
| barrett1 | shamail: +1 | 21:45 |
| piet | Sorry to jump in, but could really use a room at the Ops Summit for interviews/usability | 21:46 |
| leong | shamail +1 | 21:46 |
| barrett1 | Team - pls review and provide add'l feedback to pchadwick | 21:46 |
| barrett1 | Piet: Talk to Tom Fifield | 21:46 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | <thingee> - agree. expect update once we start multiple release options per Mitake or Newton release. | 21:46 |
| barrett1 | I have submitted the Community Roadmap proposal - thanks for the feedback. Nate, Hugh and I are the speakers | 21:47 |
| shamail | piet, email Tom Fifeld or Matt Jarvis | 21:47 |
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| rocky_g | piet, the ops summit hasn't started compiling its sessions yet | 21:47 |
| barrett1 | What about Confronting Complexity? | 21:47 |
| kencjohnston | barrett1 I'm ready to submit it this evening | 21:47 |
| barrett1 | I think Piet is referring to the Ops Midcycle in Manchester | 21:47 |
| barrett1 | kencjohnston: Excellent! | 21:48 |
| leong | kencjohnston: i assume you also include Kei? | 21:48 |
| kencjohnston | leong yep! | 21:48 |
| leong | +1 | 21:48 |
| barrett1 | kencjohnston: what about the OpenStack SWOT or Business Strategy proposal? | 21:48 |
| kencjohnston | MarkBaker you still interested? | 21:48 |
| kencjohnston | barrett1 I'm planning on submitting that one as well | 21:48 |
| kencjohnston | right now it is barrett1 and me, anyone else interested in joining? | 21:48 |
| barrett1 | kencjohnston: You are on it! Thanks! | 21:49 |
| piet | Need both. Would love to have rooms at both. In fact, there is a ton of value to the community if we could run studies at both summits. | 21:49 |
| thingee | Arkady_Kanevsky: multiple release options... you like intermediate, indepdent, milestone release types? https://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/index.html#release-management-tags | 21:49 |
| kencjohnston | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AUS-Summit-BOF-Business-Strategy-Proposal-Draft | 21:49 |
| thingee | Arkady_Kanevsky: because those happened before mitaka. | 21:49 |
| rocky_g | I think the stabilization theme should be added to themes talk. | 21:49 |
| barrett1 | Next one is Rolling Upgrades session. I know the Kolla team has proposed a session around this | 21:49 |
| rocky_g | If you want, I can cover that one in the session. | 21:50 |
| MarkBaker | kencjohnston, sure | 21:50 |
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| kencjohnston | MarkBaker Great I'll add you to the submission. | 21:50 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I am talking releases for Enterprise, NFV, HPC and others not general bi-annual "release" of openstack | 21:50 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Pete Chadwick - I will be happy to co-present with oyu | 21:50 |
| barrett1 | Folks - It's hard to follow the discussion when we have multiple conversations going on the channel | 21:51 |
| barrett1 | Arkady_Kanevsky: Can you and Pete close on that? | 21:51 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | working on it in etherpad | 21:51 |
| barrett1 | Thank you | 21:51 |
| barrett1 | Next one is the Stabilization efforts - Rockyg | 21:52 |
| pchadwick | Arkady_Kanevsy: thanks. I assume you haven't hit your limit yet ;) | 21:52 |
| MarkBaker | kencjohnston, I'd like to see if I can work an economics angle in there too | 21:52 |
| rocky_g | I think that should be added as a new theme to the themes one. | 21:52 |
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| kencjohnston | MarkBaker Great, let's chat offline | 21:52 |
| barrett1 | Rocky_g: So this isn't intending to introduce the new project and guidelines around it? | 21:53 |
| barrett1 | Rocky_g: I think a BoF on the Stabalization project, at a minimum, would be good | 21:54 |
| thingee | barrett1: what are the ideas with that exactly? | 21:55 |
| rocky_g | barrett1, so it's not a project, so much as a cross project effort gaining awareness and importance in the dev community | 21:55 |
| barrett1 | rocky_g: That makes BoF sound like a better fit | 21:56 |
| barrett1 | Folks - We have 4 mins left. Have people looked at the Ops Midycle agenda? | 21:56 |
| thingee | rocky_g: i'd recommend working with the stabilization folks. Matt Riedemann heads that team | 21:56 |
| barrett1 | Are there any topics that we want to propose? Or any volunteers to moderate already proposed sessions? | 21:56 |
| rocky_g | Yup. So, I can put together a BoF proposal on that. | 21:56 |
| barrett1 | rocky_g: Thanks! | 21:57 |
| kencjohnston | barrett1 I've expressed my willingness to volunteer to Matt and Tom | 21:57 |
| barrett1 | Great kencjohnston! | 21:57 |
| thingee | rocky_g: however as we've discussed in the past, it's hard to get support from the community. Linux distributions would rather keep making their money then contribute efforts there | 21:57 |
| barrett1 | I replied that I would lead the user story session if they want | 21:57 |
| shamail | barrett1: 3 min left | 21:57 |
| rocky_g | And I'll do the newbie "How you can make OpenStack better but you're not a developer" session | 21:57 |
| thingee | rocky_g: +1 | 21:58 |
| thingee | that sounds awesome | 21:58 |
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| thingee | and we need more of that | 21:58 |
| barrett1 | rocky_g: +1 | 21:58 |
| shamail | Do we want to move over to #openstack-productwg to continue the conversation after our time is up or defer the remaining agenda items until next week? | 21:58 |
| barrett1 | I can go for another 30 mins | 21:58 |
| shamail | same | 21:59 |
| leong | same | 21:59 |
| kencjohnston | shamail sounds like last remaining item was a discussion around meeting times | 21:59 |
| kencjohnston | I cannot stay on | 21:59 |
| shamail | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:59 |
| shamail | it got updated | 21:59 |
| barrett1 | kencjohnston: agenda for our midcycle also needs discussion | 21:59 |
| shamail | remaining items are: stabilization user story, mid-cycle planning | 21:59 |
| shamail | mid-cycle planning being priority | 22:00 |
| leong | let's jump to another channel.. | 22:00 |
| shamail | #openstack-productwg | 22:00 |
| barrett1 | OK | 22:00 |
| barrett1 | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 1 22:00:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-02-01-21.00.html | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-02-01-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-02-01-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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