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matrohon | hi bgpvpn's guy | 15:05 |
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matrohon | anyone around for the meeting? | 15:05 |
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tmorin | hi everyone | 15:07 |
matrohon | I don't have any urgent topic to discuss so there won't be any meeting if nobody wants to put a topic on the table :) | 15:07 |
matrohon | tmorin, hi | 15:07 |
tmorin | hi matrohon | 15:07 |
tmorin | hi doude | 15:07 |
tmorin | hi pcarver | 15:07 |
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tmorin | hi timirnich | 15:07 |
doude | hi | 15:07 |
timirnich | hi tmorin, hi all | 15:07 |
matrohon | tmorin, not sure a bgpvpn meeting is useful today! | 15:08 |
tmorin | we don't have much to discuss | 15:08 |
matrohon | hi timfreund | 15:08 |
matrohon | hi timirnich | 15:08 |
tmorin | we can be extremely brief | 15:08 |
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matrohon | timirnich, doude do you have any topic to discuss today? | 15:08 |
timirnich | enikher are you there? | 15:08 |
tmorin | there is one thing worth mentioning: enickher has been pushing a heat module for BGPVPN | 15:08 |
tmorin | this is really great | 15:08 |
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matrohon | tmorin, ok let's start the meeting | 15:09 |
tmorin | he does not seem to be here | 15:09 |
matrohon | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:09 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 2 15:09:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matrohon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:09 |
timirnich | We might recap briefly on the discussions we had yesterday on OPNFV C release and its bearing on BGPVPN | 15:09 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:09 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: bgpvpn)" | 15:09 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:09 |
tmorin | timirnich: you will have to receive the "thank you" for him ! ;) | 15:09 |
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timirnich | Sure I'll pass that on | 15:09 |
matrohon | #topic heat plugin | 15:09 |
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tmorin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274089/ | 15:09 |
matrohon | so the heat plugin is up for review | 15:09 |
tmorin | so, enicker/timirnich thank you for this contribution ! | 15:10 |
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matrohon | does it livein the backport/kilo branch on purpose? | 15:10 |
tmorin | I don't think so | 15:10 |
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timirnich | Niko developed it for a Kilo deployment we are supporting, that is why | 15:10 |
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matrohon | timirnich, understood | 15:11 |
tmorin | but there is I think nothing kilo-specific in the code | 15:11 |
timirnich | I think lifting it up to Liberty is a quick one | 15:11 |
tmorin | nikolas mentioned that yestreday | 15:11 |
tmorin | yes | 15:11 |
matrohon | timirnich, however we have to follow common practices : first merge in the master, then backport | 15:11 |
tmorin | +1 | 15:11 |
timirnich | np | 15:11 |
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tmorin | next topic ? | 15:11 |
tmorin | #topic mitaka | 15:11 |
timirnich | Haven't talked to Niko but I think he'll do that asap | 15:11 |
matrohon | timirnich, and of course many thanks for this work | 15:11 |
matrohon | #topic mitaka | 15:12 |
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tmorin | I've been going through a few patches to have the code work on mitaka | 15:12 |
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tmorin | nothing complex | 15:12 |
matrohon | tmorin, thanks | 15:12 |
tmorin | only minor things in the bagpipe driver | 15:12 |
tmorin | I'm working in parallel to adapt the agent to the L2 agent api | 15:13 |
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tmorin | following the work done one the new API, be ready to commit the BGPVPN specific stuff when the rest is ready, and then use it to make the extension | 15:13 |
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tmorin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267591/ | 15:14 |
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tmorin | we have to follow that closely to make sure we can have a clean agent for mitaka | 15:14 |
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matrohon | tmorin, it looks like a good plan | 15:14 |
tmorin | anything else to discuss today ? | 15:15 |
matrohon | timirnich, you wanted to talk about opnfv? | 15:15 |
timirnich | yeah just to mention that one thing we plan there is to consume developments in BGPVPN | 15:16 |
timirnich | I would like to understand the planned releases | 15:17 |
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timirnich | I guess we'll make one release to uplift to Mitaka - will that contain functional additions? | 15:17 |
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matrohon | timirnich, I would say it's up to us! | 15:17 |
timirnich | Maybe it would be good to do something like a roadmap in case that doesn't exist yet | 15:17 |
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tmorin | yes | 15:18 |
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timirnich | matrohon: Are there any candidate additions? | 15:18 |
matrohon | timirnich, make sense but what kind of feature do you need first? | 15:18 |
tmorin | as soon as we identify the useful addition, we can track them as RFE bugs | 15:19 |
matrohon | timirnich, there are things to do that was in the initial sepc | 15:19 |
timirnich | Hm, currently there are no officially identified requirements from OPNFV point of view | 15:19 |
tmorin | that would be where the roadmap would be maintained | 15:19 |
matrohon | tmorin, +1, it would be consistent with the neutron way to manage features | 15:19 |
timirnich | I know that ODL intends to add EVPN/L2VPN support so getting that into BGPVPN (not sure how much is left to do) would be one useful addition | 15:20 |
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matrohon | timirnich, make sense, bagpipe and contrail should be compatible with the evpn approach | 15:21 |
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tmorin | timirnich: not much is needed, most of the Api/framework/DB code is already ready I think | 15:22 |
tmorin | the only thing left is driver/backend | 15:22 |
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matrohon | timirnich, there are already some specs on the table about port assoc and static routes, does it have a weaker priority to you? | 15:23 |
timirnich | It's probably worth mentioning that OPNFV will meet 3rd wk March to plan C Release - that is when we need visibility on planned BGPVPN release dates and content, as far as possible | 15:23 |
tmorin | the bagpipe driver does not address E-VPN yet, because bagpipe-bgp hasn't been augmented yet to do E-VPN with OVS | 15:23 |
timirnich | matrohon, no those things are important too | 15:23 |
timirnich | but I think they are comparably small | 15:23 |
tmorin | timirnich: yes, it will be good to have visibility at least at that date in Mach | 15:24 |
matrohon | evpn topic is part of the sdnvpn project? | 15:24 |
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tmorin | timirnich: alhough I'll help and review, I think your contributions will be key to move forward the static route evolutions | 15:24 |
timirnich | it depends if we get E2E support in our upstream dependencies | 15:24 |
timirnich | tmoring, that is fine we're prepared to do that | 15:25 |
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matrohon | timirnich, tmorin we have to report a RFE bug for evpn support in bgpvpn | 15:26 |
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timirnich | +1 | 15:27 |
tmorin | +1 | 15:27 |
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matrohon | #action : matrohon to report a rfe bug in bgpvpn about evpn | 15:28 |
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matrohon | doude : do you think that contrail can easily support evpn instantiation? | 15:29 |
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timirnich | folks I need to drop out - sorry can't stay for the full hour today. I'll try to make a step forward on the OPNFV C release planning for Monday | 15:29 |
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matrohon | timirnich, np, have a good day | 15:29 |
timirnich | u 2 | 15:29 |
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doude | matrohon: I don't know | 15:29 |
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matrohon | anything else to discuss? | 15:30 |
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matrohon | ok let's close the meeting | 15:31 |
matrohon | thanks | 15:31 |
matrohon | #endmeeting | 15:31 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 2 15:31:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:31 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-02-02-15.09.html | 15:31 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-02-02-15.09.txt | 15:32 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-02-02-15.09.log.html | 15:32 |
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tmorin | sorry, was away | 15:36 |
tmorin | by matrohon, by timirnich | 15:36 |
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adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 2 16:01:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:01 |
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thomasem | o/ Hello! | 16:02 |
adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-02-02_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:02 |
adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:02 |
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adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:02 |
thomasem | Thomas Maddox | 16:02 |
hongbin | o/ | 16:02 |
muralia | murali allada | 16:02 |
madhuri | o/ | 16:02 |
HimanshuGarg | o/ | 16:02 |
rods | o/ | 16:02 |
rpothier | o/ | 16:02 |
levi_b | o/ | 16:02 |
eghobo | o/ | 16:03 |
coreyob | o/ | 16:03 |
adrian_otto | hello thomasem hongbin muralia madhuri HimanshuGarg rods rpothier levi_b eghobo and coreyob | 16:04 |
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muralia | hello everyone | 16:04 |
suro-patz | o/ | 16:04 |
bradjones | o/ | 16:04 |
dimtruck | o/ | 16:04 |
localloop127 | o/ | 16:04 |
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adrian_otto | hello suro-patz bradjones dimtruck localloop127 | 16:05 |
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dane | o/ | 16:05 |
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adrian_otto | hello dane. Let's begin. | 16:07 |
adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:07 |
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adrian_otto | 1) Welcome Ton Ngo and Egor Guz as our new core reviewers. | 16:08 |
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thomasem | Congratulations! | 16:08 |
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adrian_otto | thanks to both of you for your considerable contributions to Magnum. We are proud to have you. | 16:08 |
madhuri | Congratulations | 16:08 |
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eghobo | thx | 16:09 |
adrian_otto | I will plan to revisit the addition of new members on the first day of each month going forward | 16:09 |
adrian_otto | 2) Review queue swept. Inactive reviews have been set to abandoned state, meaning that they are not actionable by reviewers. If you have submitted reviews that were not merged, and you have not updated, recently, please look for them in abandoned state, and revive them: | 16:09 |
adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:abandoned+project:openstack/magnum Abandoned Reviews | 16:09 |
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thomasem | Yeah, I think I saw one Andrew had worked on go inactive. | 16:09 |
thomasem | in my inbox | 16:10 |
adrian_otto | please keep in mind that an abandon action by the PTL is not the same as a -2 vote | 16:10 |
adrian_otto | it simply means that I recognize the review is not actionable because it is stale | 16:10 |
adrian_otto | so please scoop those up and bring them back to life | 16:10 |
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adrian_otto | questions or concerns on these? | 16:10 |
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adrian_otto | ok, next | 16:11 |
adrian_otto | 3) Midcycle. | 16:11 |
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tcammann | woop | 16:12 |
adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Magnum/Midcycle | 16:12 |
adrian_otto | thanks to tcammann we have a swank location | 16:12 |
adrian_otto | there is an eventbrite | 16:12 |
adrian_otto | if you are attending, register with an in-person ticket | 16:12 |
adrian_otto | if you are remote, there is a special ticket for that, but I can not yet guarantee how we will accommodate you | 16:12 |
adrian_otto | in the past we have done our best to include remotes for key discussions | 16:12 |
adrian_otto | but it really depends on the facility whether that will work well | 16:13 |
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adrian_otto | the address is there as well. | 16:13 |
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adrian_otto | please let me and Tom know if you have any questions or concerns about the midcycle | 16:13 |
tcammann | I'll find out if we can do a webex or similar soon | 16:14 |
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adrian_otto | I did make a standby ticket just in case we need more than 18, and we can shuffle folks around if needed | 16:14 |
adrian_otto | in the past that number has been just about right | 16:14 |
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adrian_otto | ok, there is an etherpad where we will begin assembling agenda content | 16:15 |
adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-mitaka-midcycle-topics Midcycle Agenda | 16:16 |
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adrian_otto | I will source your input from that etherpad to form the agenda, and slot it by time | 16:17 |
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adrian_otto | any other announcements from team members? | 16:18 |
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adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:18 |
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adrian_otto | 1) adrian_otto to champion consensus and merge of https://review.openstack.org/268852 | 16:18 |
adrian_otto | Status: Complete. Review merged. Any opposing viewpoints remaining to consider? | 16:18 |
coreyob | I'm still a little dubious about the security of using a secondary domain instead of the project's domain | 16:19 |
coreyob | but I'll follow up with those concerns as I find concrete examples | 16:19 |
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adrian_otto | ok, we'll be open to revisit this if there are concerns to address | 16:20 |
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adrian_otto | my ask is that if we dislike the approach, that we make actionable suggestions for a better approach along with our criticisms. | 16:21 |
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adrian_otto | any more thoughts on this topic? | 16:21 |
adrian_otto | ok, next action item | 16:22 |
adrian_otto | 2) adrian_otto to produce a wiki page that explains Magnum's ability to support native API access and wrapped (limited) access to that funcitonality through our contiainers resource, and pointers to points of debate. | 16:22 |
adrian_otto | nice spelling errors in there ;-) | 16:22 |
adrian_otto | Status: in progress | 16:22 |
adrian_otto | I have been polling a few of you seeking use cases for our /containers endpoint | 16:23 |
adrian_otto | if you have one, please let me know, so I can incorporate that into our POV | 16:23 |
adrian_otto | I will expose this initially as a draft, and we can discuss it prior to finalizing the project POV | 16:23 |
adrian_otto | any questions? | 16:23 |
adrian_otto | ok, let's advance | 16:24 |
adrian_otto | #topic Magnum UI Subteam Update (bradjones) | 16:24 |
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bradjones | hi | 16:24 |
adrian_otto | hi! | 16:24 |
bradjones | so the last major bp (creating bay models) finally merged which is awesome | 16:24 |
adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to produce a wiki page that explains Magnum's ability to support native API access and wrapped (limited) access to that functionality through our containers resource, and pointers to points of debate. | 16:25 |
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bradjones | at this point there is nothing major left to do from the bps | 16:25 |
adrian_otto | sweet | 16:25 |
bradjones | I think now that has merged it would be a great time to take a closer look at docs | 16:25 |
bradjones | explaining using and extending in the future | 16:25 |
adrian_otto | ok, so I'd like to work together with you to put a demo together of the UI | 16:26 |
adrian_otto | and we can put that on the Magnum project wiki page | 16:26 |
bradjones | adrian_otto: sounds great | 16:26 |
adrian_otto | and docs would be the logical follow-up to that | 16:26 |
bradjones | ok let's aim for demo first then docs to follow then | 16:26 |
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adrian_otto | excellent. Let's take that as an action item | 16:27 |
adrian_otto | sound ok? | 16:27 |
bradjones | sure | 16:27 |
adrian_otto | #action bradjones and adrian_otto to work on a demo of the Magnum UI for publication on the Magnum project wiki page. | 16:27 |
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adrian_otto | we can regroup after the meeting to earmark time for that. | 16:27 |
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bradjones | sounds good | 16:28 |
adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint Review | 16:28 |
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adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206467/ Add guide for TLS support in Magnum. (abandoned) needs revival | 16:28 |
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adrian_otto | madhuri: this one has an important issue where two of the images look the same | 16:28 |
madhuri | I will submit a revision soon | 16:28 |
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adrian_otto | ok, terrific. If you need help from the team, please let us know. | 16:29 |
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madhuri | Sure. Thank you! | 16:29 |
adrian_otto | #topic Essential Blueprint Updates | 16:29 |
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adrian_otto | I will come back to the suro-patz ones in just a moment. | 16:29 |
suro-patz | sure | 16:30 |
adrian_otto | the launchpad site has been really slow for me recently | 16:30 |
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adrian_otto | takes 40 seconds or so to respond | 16:30 |
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adrian_otto | actually now it's throwing errors | 16:31 |
adrian_otto | so I can do this from memory, or look at our minutes from last meeting | 16:31 |
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adrian_otto | Tango, I know you have a docs BP in progress that you updated in the past 24 hours. | 16:31 |
adrian_otto | can you give us an update on that? | 16:31 |
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adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/user-guide User Guide Blueprint | 16:32 |
hongbin | adrian_otto: I think Tango is on PTO | 16:32 |
adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-troubleshooting-guide Troubleshooting Guide Blueprint | 16:32 |
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adrian_otto | ok, both of those are advancing, but rather slowly | 16:32 |
adrian_otto | vilobhmm11: you have one too | 16:33 |
vilobhmm11 | adrian_otto : after the discussion in weekly meeting last time the spec was updated https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266662/9 is about to get merged | 16:33 |
adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/resource-quota Resource Quota Blueprint | 16:33 |
vilobhmm11 | it should be merged in today or so | 16:33 |
dimtruck | adrian_otto: there's also this #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-tempest | 16:34 |
adrian_otto | ok, based on my research so far, it might make sense to revisit the priority of rate controls for /containers resources | 16:34 |
adrian_otto | so I'll provide that feedback in the 266662 review linked above | 16:34 |
vilobhmm11 | adrian_otto : sure makes sense…for now would like to start with bays but going ahead definately would propose a seperate blueprint and work on it…i m in the process f information gathering about strong usecases for rate control for container resource | 16:35 |
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adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-tempest (dimtruck) | 16:35 |
dimtruck | so we have 2 patches left | 16:35 |
dimtruck | one coreyob is updating to remove tempest from test-requirements.txt | 16:36 |
adrian_otto | vilobhmm11: thanks I appreciate it. I just want to calibrate our efforts so that we are focused where it will make the most difference for users. | 16:36 |
coreyob | done ^ | 16:36 |
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vilobhmm11 | adrian_otto : sure | 16:36 |
adrian_otto | thanks coreyob and dimtruck | 16:36 |
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dimtruck | and the second one i finally coverted to test_bays for cert testing so that it finishes in a reasonable time. | 16:36 |
dimtruck | adrian_otto: quick question | 16:36 |
dimtruck | how do i mark a blueprint completed? :) | 16:36 |
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dimtruck | do i just tell you or... | 16:36 |
adrian_otto | I can mark it right now | 16:36 |
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adrian_otto | one sec | 16:37 |
dimtruck | because once these two land, we are good to go | 16:37 |
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adrian_otto | ok, I marked it as implemented | 16:37 |
dimtruck | awesome! thank you! | 16:37 |
adrian_otto | I can put it to pending code review first though | 16:37 |
dimtruck | oh yes | 16:37 |
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adrian_otto | then you can just lmk when they merge | 16:37 |
dimtruck | will do | 16:38 |
adrian_otto | ok, set accordingly | 16:38 |
adrian_otto | that concludes essential blueprint status | 16:38 |
adrian_otto | #topic Other Blueprint Updates | 16:38 |
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adrian_otto | (suro-patz)Needs review: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/async-container-operations | 16:38 |
adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275003/ Spec for Async Container Operations | 16:39 |
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adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267134/ Implementation of Async Container Operations | 16:39 |
suro-patz | As requested during the ongoing review, I have put a spec for the design | 16:39 |
suro-patz | the design was discussed over ML and recorded in the Blueprint Whiteboard | 16:39 |
vilobhmm11 | link for spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275003/ | 16:40 |
adrian_otto | thanks suro-patz | 16:40 |
suro-patz | I request you all to take a look, review and provide feedback | 16:40 |
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vilobhmm11 | suro-patz : i will have a look today at the spec | 16:40 |
adrian_otto | good, I will certainly provide input | 16:40 |
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suro-patz | thanks vilobhmm11, adrian_otto | 16:41 |
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vilobhmm11 | np | 16:41 |
adrian_otto | any other blueprints, bugs, or work items to discuss as a team today? | 16:41 |
adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:42 |
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adrian_otto | I did present magnum for NASA JPL | 16:43 |
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suro-patz | Super! | 16:43 |
adrian_otto | there was a definite interest for a number of BigData projects. They are particularly interested in the Mesos bay type. | 16:43 |
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adrian_otto | JPL is one of the most active scientific computing centers in the world | 16:44 |
adrian_otto | so I see that as a really compelling use case. | 16:44 |
madhuri | This is awesome | 16:44 |
vilobhmm11 | thats awesome adrian_otto | 16:44 |
adrian_otto | they also recorded the session, and redistributed it on their own network where all the scientists can learn about the cloud technology presented during the Cloud LEAP event. | 16:45 |
dimtruck | sweet! | 16:45 |
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adrian_otto | I expect we will find lots of opportunities for new security features | 16:46 |
adrian_otto | as some of their projects are rather sensitive in nature | 16:46 |
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adrian_otto | and there are regulatory hurdles to clear when setting up infrastructure | 16:46 |
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adrian_otto | as mentioned a while back… for those of you in the Bay area, the OpenStack meetup group for the San Francisco Bay Area will be holding a meetup about Magnum on Feb 18th, also hosted by HPE in Sunnyvale, so those of us attending the Midcycle can go to that. | 16:48 |
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adrian_otto | if you'd like to have a part in the presentation, just let me know and I'll be sure to give you the stage. | 16:49 |
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adrian_otto | also, you will notice a few more engineers from Rackspace have begun contributing | 16:50 |
adrian_otto | and are currently working on a number of things to add Magnum capability to Carina | 16:50 |
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adrian_otto | success with this effort will mark the first public cloud use case for Magnum | 16:50 |
adrian_otto | so let's do our best to support them | 16:50 |
coreyob | thanks adrian_otto! | 16:51 |
vilobhmm11 | sure | 16:51 |
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adrian_otto | we will have a good look at some of the topics during the midcycle too | 16:52 |
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adrian_otto | remember to share your input on the midcycle topic list, even if you are unable to attend: | 16:54 |
adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-mitaka-midcycle-topics | 16:54 |
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adrian_otto | we have a few minutes remaining | 16:56 |
adrian_otto | any other topics to touch on before we wrap up? | 16:56 |
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adrian_otto | Thanks for attending today. Our next team meeting will be on 2016-02-09 at 1600 UTC. See you then! | 16:57 |
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adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 2 16:57:59 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-02-02-16.01.html | 16:58 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-02-02-16.01.txt | 16:58 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-02-02-16.01.log.html | 16:58 |
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sergmelikyan | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 2 17:00:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sergmelikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
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sergmelikyan | o/ | 17:00 |
ativelkov | o/ | 17:00 |
nikolay_st_holo | Hi | 17:00 |
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kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:01 |
freerunner | \o/ | 17:01 |
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kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:02 |
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sergmelikyan | Let's start with action items as usual? :) | 17:03 |
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sergmelikyan | I assume this as yes :) | 17:04 |
sergmelikyan | #topic Action Items | 17:04 |
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sergmelikyan | #1 kzaitsev_mb ask around packaging folks — how we should handle murano-glare plugin and murano-specific plugins packaging-wise | 17:04 |
kzaitsev_mb | yep, asked around | 17:04 |
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kzaitsev_mb | the thing is — the way we currently have our plugin is perfectly fine | 17:05 |
kzaitsev_mb | just we should probably have those well documented for the packaging folks to know, that installing murano should also install the plugin | 17:06 |
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kzaitsev_mb | (for glare for example) | 17:06 |
kzaitsev_mb | but otherwise no problem with having it the way we have it | 17:06 |
sergmelikyan | so we just leaving it as is? :) | 17:07 |
kzaitsev_mb | yep. we just need to have good docs | 17:07 |
kzaitsev_mb | Actually | 17:07 |
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kzaitsev_mb | I've just (20 mins ago) thought, that we should ask around the kolla folks | 17:08 |
sergmelikyan | I guess they storing details regarding each package as part of they repo | 17:08 |
kzaitsev_mb | like if they run murano and glance in a separate container — how would they install murano-glare plugin | 17:08 |
sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: or what actual question you are planning to ask? | 17:09 |
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kzaitsev_mb | is that even possible | 17:09 |
sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: I guess they would install murano-glare plugin alongside with murano to GLance container | 17:09 |
sergmelikyan | where murano will be used as a library | 17:09 |
sergmelikyan | and separate container with Murano itself | 17:10 |
kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: doesn't it defeat the whole idea of kolla? | 17:10 |
kzaitsev_mb | huh | 17:10 |
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sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: I don't know what is whole idea of Kolla you are talking about | 17:10 |
kzaitsev_mb | well, to be more precise — iyozhikov told me that current situation is ok | 17:10 |
sergmelikyan | if running in container - then no | 17:10 |
sergmelikyan | if strict separation - they probably yes | 17:10 |
kzaitsev_mb | and zigo suggested we push our plugin into glare somehow | 17:10 |
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kzaitsev_mb | I think that I actually see the point now ) | 17:11 |
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kzaitsev_mb | Anyway we should really start with documenting that thing | 17:12 |
kzaitsev_mb | the way murano-glare plugin should be installed | 17:12 |
kzaitsev_mb | and where it resides | 17:12 |
kzaitsev_mb | hm | 17:12 |
sergmelikyan | For sure - especcialy if we want to have it enabled by default in Newton | 17:12 |
kzaitsev_mb | I kind of see the problem zigo mentioned now | 17:13 |
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zigo | :) | 17:13 |
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kzaitsev_mb | if the plugin is not in glare package — we whould need to somehow install it to the env glare runs in. | 17:14 |
kzaitsev_mb | unless they-re all global — this might be a problem | 17:14 |
kzaitsev_mb | anyway. I suggest we start with documenting the whole installation and reasoning and stuff | 17:14 |
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kzaitsev_mb | and then approach pacaging folks once again with it. =) as long as everything is not installed in it's onw venv — current approach looks fine to me | 17:15 |
kzaitsev_mb | also I'd like to approach kolla folks on that one | 17:15 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #action ask kolla folks about murano-glare situation | 17:16 |
sergmelikyan | I was just about to ask you to add action item :) | 17:16 |
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kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: 2d AI then? =) | 17:17 |
sergmelikyan | yeah :) | 17:17 |
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kzaitsev_mb | I've sent a mail to openstack-infra on that one, like AJaegar suggested, but got no response | 17:18 |
kzaitsev_mb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2016-January/003704.html | 17:18 |
sergmelikyan | #2 verify that all tags are present in master, and check how we would be able to access juno code before deleting juno branch | 17:18 |
kzaitsev_mb | gotta ping around the #infra guys on that | 17:18 |
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kzaitsev_mb | so the situation is the following — we do not have anything unreleased in juno | 17:19 |
kzaitsev_mb | everything *will* be accessible through tags | 17:19 |
freerunner | kzaitsev_mb Looks like you forgot to add [murano] tag into title =( | 17:19 |
kzaitsev_mb | so it's safe to remove the branches | 17:19 |
sergmelikyan | and we don't have rights to remove the branch by ourselvs | 17:19 |
kzaitsev_mb | yep. this. | 17:19 |
kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: it's a different ML, not openstack-dev | 17:20 |
kzaitsev_mb | you're probab;y not subscribed to ir | 17:20 |
* kzaitsev_mb types a bit too fast =) | 17:20 | |
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kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: I'll ping infra folks on the topic of the mail ) | 17:20 |
kzaitsev_mb | AJ told me most of admins were travelling last week ) | 17:21 |
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kzaitsev_mb | anyway. it's safe to remove juno ) | 17:21 |
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sergmelikyan | still sad about that :) | 17:21 |
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sergmelikyan | I mean about deletion of the branch :) | 17:22 |
sergmelikyan | But I see the point about expectations of users when they see the branch | 17:22 |
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sergmelikyan | freerunner: guys what is the difference between #2 and #3? | 17:23 |
sergmelikyan | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-01-26-17.00.html | 17:23 |
sergmelikyan | I mean action items | 17:23 |
kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: nope. I think bot whent a bit crazy | 17:23 |
sergmelikyan | than moving to third: | 17:23 |
sergmelikyan | ops | 17:24 |
sergmelikyan | fourth | 17:24 |
kzaitsev_mb | maybe I tried to undo something and it didn't get me right last time | 17:24 |
sergmelikyan | put info on six usage to http://docs.openstack.org/developer/murano/contributing.html | 17:24 |
sergmelikyan | #4 ^ | 17:24 |
sergmelikyan | stan_lagun: | 17:24 |
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kzaitsev_mb | stan_lagun: had you had a chance to update the docs with your guideline suggestions? =) | 17:25 |
stan_lagun | kzaitsev_mb: I've put the items in etherpad https://www.anonymox.net/clients/clientarea.php?action=productdetails&id=70192 | 17:25 |
stan_lagun | but still hasn't converted it to a document | 17:26 |
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kzaitsev_mb | it requires auth О_о | 17:26 |
stan_lagun | sorry wrong link :) | 17:26 |
stan_lagun | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-contributors-rules | 17:26 |
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nikolay_st_holo | Nice o_O | 17:26 |
kzaitsev_mb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-contributors-rules | 17:27 |
kzaitsev_mb | awesome! =) | 17:27 |
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stan_lagun | also i wrote a document about core library design guidelines | 17:28 |
stan_lagun | https://docs.google.com/document/d/108NAkuzT9eZ5AC1Rkw-p1eOiRbkICWQTPqpW0GVb8nw/edit# | 17:28 |
stan_lagun | It should be publicly open | 17:28 |
kzaitsev_mb | I'd actually vote for waiting maybe another week, before asking someone to transfer those to contributing guide | 17:28 |
stan_lagun | We may use parts of it for the contributing guide as well | 17:28 |
kzaitsev_mb | those two are awesome =) should form a solid base for murano-specific contribution guide =) | 17:29 |
sergmelikyan | agree! | 17:29 |
kzaitsev_mb | #idea Think about more contribution rules and add them to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-contributors-rules | 17:30 |
kzaitsev_mb | this way ^^ we'll remember about the document without specific AIs =) | 17:30 |
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sergmelikyan | Let's move to the main agenda? | 17:31 |
kzaitsev_mb | (first time I used #idea =))) | 17:31 |
kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: +1 | 17:31 |
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sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: I guess you are also first who used it on Murano meeting ever | 17:32 |
sergmelikyan | :) | 17:32 |
sergmelikyan | #topic Drop Babel from agents requirements and do not use i18n tools in agent | 17:32 |
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kzaitsev_mb | yep, haven't seen it used anywhere, tbh | 17:32 |
sergmelikyan | I support this | 17:32 |
sergmelikyan | I mean, support removal translation from the murano-agent | 17:32 |
kzaitsev_mb | ok so the rationale is that we have Babel as 1 of the requirements for murano agent, but | 17:33 |
sergmelikyan | murano-agent is a daemon, so I don't see a reason to have a translation there | 17:33 |
kzaitsev_mb | there are only like 5 lines that are eligible for translation | 17:33 |
ativelkov | +1 | 17:33 |
kzaitsev_mb | and we do not use oslo_i18n there yet | 17:33 |
stan_lagun | +1. Now that we download murano-agent with cloud-init Babel that is the largest Python package agent uses (6.5Mb) just slows down the installation | 17:33 |
kzaitsev_mb | and I haven't yet setup translation jobs ) | 17:33 |
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kzaitsev_mb | and babel weights like 6mb | 17:33 |
nikolay_st_holo | +1 | 17:33 |
kzaitsev_mb | #link https://pypi.python.org/pypi/Babel | 17:33 |
kzaitsev_mb | ok, so I suggest we put it in the contribution guide, then and remove babel from requirements =) | 17:34 |
sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: why to contribution guys? | 17:34 |
kzaitsev_mb | I think, that there is no need for voting ) | 17:34 |
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sergmelikyan | today I ready bad with typing | 17:34 |
sergmelikyan | why to put it to contribution guide? | 17:35 |
sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: +1 | 17:35 |
kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: I suggest, that we put in the contributing guide, that we do not want i18n suite in murano-agent | 17:35 |
kzaitsev_mb | so that someone would not attempt to add it | 17:35 |
sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: yeah, why do you think it should be there? | 17:35 |
stan_lagun | doesn't seem like it belongs there | 17:35 |
sergmelikyan | Ah | 17:35 |
kzaitsev_mb | might be somewhere | 17:35 |
kzaitsev_mb | else | 17:35 |
kzaitsev_mb | I just think, it would be a good idea to document todays decision | 17:36 |
kzaitsev_mb | probably — we could add it in murano-agent doc article | 17:36 |
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kzaitsev_mb | it's just that I can imagine random people coming to murano-agent adding oslo_i18n (and thus babel back), linking to OS i18n guidelines and such. =) | 17:37 |
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nikolay_st_holo | :-D | 17:38 |
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sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: don't remember people doing that with other projects so far :) | 17:38 |
enthurohini | kzaitsev_mb, is it possible to write code without any link to bug or spec or BP? | 17:38 |
kzaitsev_mb | enthurohini: sure. =) | 17:39 |
kzaitsev_mb | although usually discouraged | 17:39 |
enthurohini | ok | 17:39 |
sergmelikyan | enthurohini: some small improvements, but I think kzaitsev_mb expected to have code with a BP like "add translation to murano-agent" | 17:39 |
kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: do you agree, that it's a good idea to document this decision? =) | 17:39 |
sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: still no :) | 17:40 |
kzaitsev_mb | #agree remove babel from murano-agent | 17:41 |
enthurohini | kzaitsev_mb, i think, if anyone will do this, will discuss first | 17:41 |
kzaitsev_mb | ok, then ) | 17:41 |
kzaitsev_mb | let's just remove babel, then | 17:41 |
kzaitsev_mb | #agreed to remove babel from murano-agent | 17:41 |
kzaitsev_mb | oops, it's agreed, not agree (= | 17:42 |
sergmelikyan | :) | 17:42 |
sergmelikyan | #topic Call to gather ideas for GSOC (kzaitsev) | 17:42 |
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kzaitsev_mb | ok, so there's been a letter from vkmc lately | 17:43 |
kzaitsev_mb | about call for ideas for GSOC | 17:43 |
kzaitsev_mb | we had a very nice outreachy experience (thanks enthurohini =)) | 17:43 |
enthurohini | my pleasure :). want to part of GSoC ase well | 17:44 |
kzaitsev_mb | So I suggest, that we collectively would throuw ideas, about features we can give as 3-4 months ideas for GSOC | 17:44 |
kzaitsev_mb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-2016-gsoc-ideas | 17:44 |
kzaitsev_mb | #idea let's add some ideas for GSOC to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-2016-gsoc-ideas | 17:45 |
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kzaitsev_mb | GSOC stans for Google Summer of Code, if that's not obvious ) | 17:45 |
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sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: do I understand correctly that it's some new cool feature, same as Outreachy? | 17:46 |
enthurohini | and GSOC is a 3 month internship as outreachy | 17:46 |
sergmelikyan | (at least close to that) | 17:46 |
ativelkov | it's not that new | 17:46 |
stan_lagun | stans for :) | 17:46 |
kzaitsev_mb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/085508.html | 17:46 |
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kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: not necessarily ) | 17:46 |
enthurohini | sergmelikyan, it is like oytreachy, but it allows to participate both male nd female | 17:47 |
kzaitsev_mb | looks like "The deadline for mentoring organizations applications is 19/02/2016" | 17:47 |
kzaitsev_mb | so I'm going to take an AI and check if we (murano) needs to do anything to have registered | 17:48 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #action check with GSOC folks if murano need some official registration for GSOC | 17:48 |
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sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: thank you :) | 17:50 |
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kzaitsev_mb | anyway that's my request for you folsk — to think of features, similar to the ones we had for outreachy, that we would want to see implemented during GSOC =) I hope we'll have a couple =) | 17:51 |
* kzaitsev_mb types waaay too fast ) | 17:51 | |
sergmelikyan | #topic Open Discussion | 17:52 |
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kzaitsev_mb | like we could dig that muranoPL debugger back from the dead, or maybe YAQL.js thingy ) | 17:52 |
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ativelkov | Folks, what about asking the community about the potential interest for having a midcycle meetup? | 17:54 |
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nikolay_st_holo | Ativelkov: good point | 17:57 |
kzaitsev_mb | ativelkov: is there really a point in that? =) | 17:57 |
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ativelkov | well, we may estimate the posssible attendance and make a decision if we need it or not | 17:57 |
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stan_lagun | +1 for meetup anyway | 17:58 |
kzaitsev_mb | It'd be nice to meet with telefonica guys, but I haven't seen henar around for a while | 17:58 |
stan_lagun | I'm sure she's going to be at N summit | 17:58 |
kzaitsev_mb | would be nice to see zhurong also ) (at least to make sure he doesn't hold a grudge against me )) | 17:58 |
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sergmelikyan | :D | 17:59 |
freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: What about zhurong and lin_a_yang? Nt only Telefonica guys contributed to murano ;) | 17:59 |
kzaitsev_mb | ativelkov: who would you like to meet | 17:59 |
freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: Nah, quick typing kzaitsev_mb | 17:59 |
sergmelikyan | I guess we are almost out of time, I will take AI to send e-mail regarding that | 17:59 |
kzaitsev_mb | the think is I suggest we reach out to specific folks (most active in murano) alongside with just writing an email to openstack-dev ML | 17:59 |
ativelkov | kzaitsev_mb: anybody interested in long-term murano's roadmap planning | 18:00 |
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sergmelikyan | #action sergmelikyan ask community about the potential interest for having a midcycle meetup? | 18:00 |
sergmelikyan | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 2 18:00:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-02-02-17.00.html | 18:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-02-02-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-02-02-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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