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matrohonhi bgpvpn's guy15:05
matrohonanyone around for the meeting?15:05
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tmorinhi everyone15:07
matrohonI don't have any urgent topic to discuss so there won't be any meeting if nobody wants to put a topic on the table :)15:07
matrohontmorin, hi15:07
tmorinhi matrohon15:07
tmorinhi doude15:07
tmorinhi pcarver15:07
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tmorinhi timirnich15:07
doudehi15:07
timirnichhi tmorin, hi all15:07
matrohontmorin, not sure a bgpvpn meeting is useful today!15:08
tmorinwe don't have much to discuss15:08
matrohonhi timfreund15:08
matrohonhi timirnich15:08
tmorinwe can be extremely brief15:08
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matrohontimirnich, doude do you have any topic to discuss today?15:08
timirnichenikher are you there?15:08
tmorinthere is one thing worth mentioning: enickher has been pushing a heat module for BGPVPN15:08
tmorinthis is really great15:08
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matrohontmorin, ok let's start the meeting15:09
tmorinhe does not seem to be here15:09
matrohon#startmeeting bgpvpn15:09
openstackMeeting started Tue Feb  2 15:09:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is matrohon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:09
timirnichWe might recap briefly on the discussions we had yesterday on OPNFV C release and its bearing on BGPVPN15:09
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:09
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn'15:09
tmorintimirnich: you will have to receive the "thank you" for him !  ;)15:09
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timirnichSure I'll pass that on15:09
matrohon#topic heat plugin15:09
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tmorin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274089/15:09
matrohonso the heat plugin is up for review15:09
tmorinso, enicker/timirnich thank you for this contribution  !15:10
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matrohondoes it livein the backport/kilo branch on purpose?15:10
tmorinI don't think so15:10
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timirnichNiko developed it for a Kilo deployment we are supporting, that is why15:10
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matrohontimirnich, understood15:11
tmorinbut there is I think nothing kilo-specific in the code15:11
timirnichI think lifting it up to Liberty is a quick one15:11
tmorinnikolas mentioned that yestreday15:11
tmorinyes15:11
matrohontimirnich, however we have to follow common practices : first merge in the master, then backport15:11
tmorin+115:11
timirnichnp15:11
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tmorinnext topic ?15:11
tmorin#topic mitaka15:11
timirnichHaven't talked to Niko but I think he'll do that asap15:11
matrohontimirnich, and of course many thanks for this work15:11
matrohon#topic mitaka15:12
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tmorinI've been going through a few patches to have the code work on mitaka15:12
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tmorinnothing complex15:12
matrohontmorin, thanks15:12
tmorinonly minor things in the bagpipe driver15:12
tmorinI'm working in parallel to adapt the agent to the L2 agent api15:13
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tmorinfollowing the work done one the new API, be ready to commit the BGPVPN specific stuff when the rest is ready, and then use it to make the extension15:13
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tmorin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267591/15:14
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tmorinwe have to follow that closely to make sure we can have a clean agent for mitaka15:14
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matrohontmorin, it looks like a good plan15:14
tmorinanything else to discuss today ?15:15
matrohontimirnich, you wanted to talk about opnfv?15:15
timirnichyeah just to mention that one thing we plan there is to consume developments in BGPVPN15:16
timirnichI would like to understand the planned releases15:17
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timirnichI guess we'll make one release to uplift to Mitaka - will that contain functional additions?15:17
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matrohontimirnich, I would say it's up to us!15:17
timirnichMaybe it would be good to do something like a roadmap in case that doesn't exist yet15:17
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timirnichmatrohon: Are there any candidate additions?15:18
matrohontimirnich, make sense but what kind of feature do you need first?15:18
tmorinas soon as we identify the useful addition, we can track them as RFE bugs15:19
matrohontimirnich, there are things to do that was in the initial sepc15:19
timirnichHm, currently there are no officially identified requirements from OPNFV point of view15:19
tmorinthat would be where the roadmap would be maintained15:19
matrohontmorin, +1, it would be consistent with the neutron way to manage features15:19
timirnichI know that ODL intends to add EVPN/L2VPN support so getting that into BGPVPN (not sure how much is left to do) would be one useful addition15:20
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matrohontimirnich, make sense, bagpipe and contrail should be compatible with the evpn approach15:21
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tmorintimirnich: not much is needed, most of the Api/framework/DB code is already ready I think15:22
tmorinthe only thing left is driver/backend15:22
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matrohontimirnich, there are already some specs on the table about port assoc and static routes, does it have a weaker priority to you?15:23
timirnichIt's probably worth mentioning that OPNFV will meet 3rd wk March to plan C Release - that is when we need visibility on planned BGPVPN release dates and content, as far as possible15:23
tmorinthe bagpipe driver does not address E-VPN yet, because bagpipe-bgp hasn't been augmented yet to do E-VPN with OVS15:23
timirnichmatrohon, no those things are important too15:23
timirnichbut I think they are comparably small15:23
tmorintimirnich: yes, it will be good to have visibility at least at that date in Mach15:24
matrohonevpn topic is part of the sdnvpn project?15:24
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tmorintimirnich: alhough I'll help and review, I think your contributions will be key to move forward the static route evolutions15:24
timirnichit depends if we get E2E support in our upstream dependencies15:24
timirnichtmoring, that is fine we're prepared to do that15:25
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matrohontimirnich, tmorin we have to report a RFE bug for evpn support in bgpvpn15:26
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timirnich+115:27
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matrohon#action : matrohon to report a rfe bug in bgpvpn about evpn15:28
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matrohondoude : do you think that contrail can easily support evpn instantiation?15:29
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timirnichfolks I need to drop out  - sorry can't stay for the full hour today. I'll try to make a step forward on the OPNFV C release planning for Monday15:29
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matrohontimirnich, np, have a good day15:29
timirnichu 215:29
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doudematrohon: I don't know15:29
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matrohonanything else to discuss?15:30
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matrohonok let's close the meeting15:31
matrohonthanks15:31
matrohon#endmeeting15:31
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Feb  2 15:31:56 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)15:31
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tmorinsorry, was away15:36
tmorinby matrohon, by timirnich15:36
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adrian_otto#startmeeting containers16:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Feb  2 16:01:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:01
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thomasemo/ Hello!16:02
adrian_otto#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-02-02_1600_UTC Our Agenda16:02
adrian_otto#topic Roll Call16:02
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adrian_ottoAdrian Otto16:02
thomasemThomas Maddox16:02
hongbino/16:02
muraliamurali allada16:02
madhurio/16:02
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adrian_ottohello thomasem hongbin muralia madhuri HimanshuGarg rods rpothier levi_b eghobo and coreyob16:04
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muraliahello everyone16:04
suro-patzo/16:04
bradjoneso/16:04
dimtrucko/16:04
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adrian_ottohello suro-patz bradjones dimtruck localloop12716:05
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daneo/16:05
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adrian_ottohello dane. Let's begin.16:07
adrian_otto#topic Announcements16:07
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adrian_otto1) Welcome Ton Ngo and Egor Guz as our new core reviewers.16:08
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thomasemCongratulations!16:08
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adrian_ottothanks to both of you for your considerable contributions to Magnum. We are proud to have you.16:08
madhuriCongratulations16:08
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eghobothx16:09
adrian_ottoI will plan to revisit the addition of new members on the first day of each month going forward16:09
adrian_otto2) Review queue swept. Inactive reviews have been set to abandoned state, meaning that they are not actionable by reviewers. If you have submitted reviews that were not merged, and you have not updated, recently, please look for them in abandoned state, and revive them:16:09
adrian_otto#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:abandoned+project:openstack/magnum Abandoned Reviews16:09
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thomasemYeah, I think I saw one Andrew had worked on go inactive.16:09
thomasemin my inbox16:10
adrian_ottoplease keep in mind that an abandon action by the PTL is not the same as a -2 vote16:10
adrian_ottoit simply means that I recognize the review is not actionable because it is stale16:10
adrian_ottoso please scoop those up and bring them back to life16:10
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adrian_ottoquestions or concerns on these?16:10
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adrian_ottook, next16:11
adrian_otto3) Midcycle.16:11
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tcammannwoop16:12
adrian_otto#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Magnum/Midcycle16:12
adrian_ottothanks to tcammann we have a swank location16:12
adrian_ottothere is an eventbrite16:12
adrian_ottoif you are attending, register with an in-person ticket16:12
adrian_ottoif you are remote, there is a special ticket for that, but I can not yet guarantee how we will accommodate you16:12
adrian_ottoin the past we have done our best to include remotes for key discussions16:12
adrian_ottobut it really depends on the facility whether that will work well16:13
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adrian_ottothe address is there as well.16:13
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adrian_ottoplease let me and Tom know if you have any questions or concerns about the midcycle16:13
tcammannI'll find out if we can do a webex or similar soon16:14
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adrian_ottoI did make a standby ticket just in case we need more than 18, and we can shuffle folks around if needed16:14
adrian_ottoin the past that number has been just about right16:14
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adrian_ottook, there is an etherpad where we will begin assembling agenda content16:15
adrian_otto#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-mitaka-midcycle-topics Midcycle Agenda16:16
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adrian_ottoI will source your input from that etherpad to form the agenda, and slot it by time16:17
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adrian_ottoany other announcements from team members?16:18
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adrian_otto#topic Review Action Items16:18
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adrian_otto1) adrian_otto to champion consensus and merge of https://review.openstack.org/26885216:18
adrian_ottoStatus: Complete. Review merged. Any opposing viewpoints remaining to consider?16:18
coreyobI'm still a little dubious about the security of using a secondary domain instead of the project's domain16:19
coreyobbut I'll follow up with those concerns as I find concrete examples16:19
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adrian_ottook, we'll be open to revisit this if there are concerns to address16:20
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adrian_ottomy ask is that if we dislike the approach, that we make actionable suggestions for a better approach along with our criticisms.16:21
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adrian_ottoany more thoughts on this topic?16:21
adrian_ottook, next action item16:22
adrian_otto2) adrian_otto to produce a wiki page that explains Magnum's ability to support native API access and wrapped (limited) access to that funcitonality through our contiainers resource, and pointers to points of debate.16:22
adrian_ottonice spelling errors in there ;-)16:22
adrian_ottoStatus: in progress16:22
adrian_ottoI have been polling a few of you seeking use cases for our /containers endpoint16:23
adrian_ottoif you have one, please let me know, so I can incorporate that into our POV16:23
adrian_ottoI will expose this initially as a draft, and we can discuss it prior to finalizing the project POV16:23
adrian_ottoany questions?16:23
adrian_ottook, let's advance16:24
adrian_otto#topic Magnum UI Subteam Update (bradjones)16:24
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bradjoneshi16:24
adrian_ottohi!16:24
bradjonesso the last major bp (creating bay models) finally merged which is awesome16:24
adrian_otto#action adrian_otto to produce a wiki page that explains Magnum's ability to support native API access and wrapped (limited) access to that functionality through our containers resource, and pointers to points of debate.16:25
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bradjonesat this point there is nothing major left to do from the bps16:25
adrian_ottosweet16:25
bradjonesI think now that has merged it would be a great time to take a closer look at docs16:25
bradjonesexplaining using and extending in the future16:25
adrian_ottook, so I'd like to work together with you to put a demo together of the UI16:26
adrian_ottoand we can put that on the Magnum project wiki page16:26
bradjonesadrian_otto: sounds great16:26
adrian_ottoand docs would be the logical follow-up to that16:26
bradjonesok let's aim for demo first then docs to follow then16:26
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adrian_ottoexcellent. Let's take that as an action item16:27
adrian_ottosound ok?16:27
bradjonessure16:27
adrian_otto#action bradjones and adrian_otto to work on a demo of the Magnum UI for publication on the Magnum project wiki page.16:27
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adrian_ottowe can regroup after the meeting to earmark time for that.16:27
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bradjonessounds good16:28
adrian_otto#topic Blueprint Review16:28
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adrian_otto#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206467/ Add guide for TLS support in Magnum. (abandoned) needs revival16:28
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adrian_ottomadhuri: this one has an important issue where two of the images look the same16:28
madhuriI will submit a revision soon16:28
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adrian_ottook, terrific. If you need help from the team, please let us know.16:29
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madhuriSure. Thank you!16:29
adrian_otto#topic Essential Blueprint Updates16:29
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adrian_ottoI will come back to the suro-patz ones in just a moment.16:29
suro-patzsure16:30
adrian_ottothe launchpad site has been really slow for me recently16:30
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adrian_ottotakes 40 seconds or so to respond16:30
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adrian_ottoactually now it's throwing errors16:31
adrian_ottoso I can do this from memory, or look at our minutes from last meeting16:31
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adrian_ottoTango, I know you have a docs BP in progress that you updated in the past 24 hours.16:31
adrian_ottocan you give us an update on that?16:31
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adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/user-guide User Guide Blueprint16:32
hongbinadrian_otto: I think Tango is on PTO16:32
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-troubleshooting-guide Troubleshooting Guide Blueprint16:32
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adrian_ottook, both of those are advancing, but rather slowly16:32
adrian_ottovilobhmm11: you have one too16:33
vilobhmm11adrian_otto : after the discussion in weekly meeting last time the spec was updated https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266662/9 is about to get merged16:33
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/resource-quota Resource Quota Blueprint16:33
vilobhmm11it should be merged in today or so16:33
dimtruckadrian_otto: there's also this #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-tempest16:34
adrian_ottook, based on my research so far, it might make sense to revisit the priority of rate controls for /containers resources16:34
adrian_ottoso I'll provide that feedback in the 266662 review linked above16:34
vilobhmm11adrian_otto : sure makes sense…for now would like to start with bays but going ahead definately would propose a seperate blueprint and work on it…i m in the process f information gathering about strong usecases for rate control for container resource16:35
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adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-tempest (dimtruck)16:35
dimtruckso we have 2 patches left16:35
dimtruckone coreyob is updating to remove tempest from test-requirements.txt16:36
adrian_ottovilobhmm11: thanks I appreciate it. I just want to calibrate our efforts so that we are focused where it will make the most difference for users.16:36
coreyobdone ^16:36
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vilobhmm11adrian_otto : sure16:36
adrian_ottothanks coreyob and dimtruck16:36
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dimtruckand the second one i finally coverted to test_bays for cert testing so that it finishes in a reasonable time.16:36
dimtruckadrian_otto: quick question16:36
dimtruckhow do i mark a blueprint completed? :)16:36
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dimtruckdo i just tell you or...16:36
adrian_ottoI can mark it right now16:36
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adrian_ottoone sec16:37
dimtruckbecause once these two land, we are good to go16:37
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adrian_ottook, I marked it as implemented16:37
dimtruckawesome!  thank you!16:37
adrian_ottoI can put it to pending code review first though16:37
dimtruckoh yes16:37
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adrian_ottothen you can just lmk when they merge16:37
dimtruckwill do16:38
adrian_ottook, set accordingly16:38
adrian_ottothat concludes essential blueprint status16:38
adrian_otto#topic Other Blueprint Updates16:38
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adrian_otto(suro-patz)Needs review: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/async-container-operations16:38
adrian_otto#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275003/ Spec for Async Container Operations16:39
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adrian_otto#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267134/ Implementation of Async Container Operations16:39
suro-patzAs requested during the ongoing review, I have put a spec for the design16:39
suro-patzthe design was discussed over ML and recorded in the Blueprint Whiteboard16:39
vilobhmm11link for spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275003/16:40
adrian_ottothanks suro-patz16:40
suro-patzI request you all to take a look, review and provide feedback16:40
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vilobhmm11suro-patz : i will have a look today at the spec16:40
adrian_ottogood, I will certainly provide input16:40
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suro-patzthanks vilobhmm11, adrian_otto16:41
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vilobhmm11np16:41
adrian_ottoany other blueprints, bugs, or work items to discuss as a team today?16:41
adrian_otto#topic Open Discussion16:42
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adrian_ottoI did present magnum for NASA JPL16:43
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suro-patzSuper!16:43
adrian_ottothere was a definite interest for a number of BigData projects. They are particularly interested in the Mesos bay type.16:43
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adrian_ottoJPL is one of the most active scientific computing centers in the world16:44
adrian_ottoso I see that as a really compelling use case.16:44
madhuriThis is awesome16:44
vilobhmm11thats awesome adrian_otto16:44
adrian_ottothey also recorded the session, and redistributed it on their own network where all the scientists can learn about the cloud technology presented during the Cloud LEAP event.16:45
dimtrucksweet!16:45
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adrian_ottoI expect we will find lots of opportunities for new security features16:46
adrian_ottoas some of their projects are rather sensitive in nature16:46
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adrian_ottoand there are regulatory hurdles to clear when setting up infrastructure16:46
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adrian_ottoas mentioned a while back… for those of you in the Bay area, the OpenStack meetup group for the San Francisco Bay Area will be holding a meetup about Magnum on Feb 18th, also hosted by HPE in Sunnyvale, so those of us attending the Midcycle can go to that.16:48
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adrian_ottoif you'd like to have a part in the presentation, just let me know and I'll be sure to give you the stage.16:49
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adrian_ottoalso, you will notice a few more engineers from Rackspace have begun contributing16:50
adrian_ottoand are currently working on a number of things to add Magnum capability to Carina16:50
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adrian_ottosuccess with this effort will mark the first public cloud use case for Magnum16:50
adrian_ottoso let's do our best to support them16:50
coreyobthanks adrian_otto!16:51
vilobhmm11sure16:51
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adrian_ottowe will have a good look at some of the topics during the midcycle too16:52
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adrian_ottoremember to share your input on the midcycle topic list, even if you are unable to attend:16:54
adrian_otto#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-mitaka-midcycle-topics16:54
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adrian_ottowe have a few minutes remaining16:56
adrian_ottoany other topics to touch on before we wrap up?16:56
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adrian_ottoThanks for attending today. Our next team meeting will be on 2016-02-09 at 1600 UTC. See you then!16:57
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adrian_otto#endmeeting16:57
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sergmelikyan#startmeeting murano17:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Feb  2 17:00:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sergmelikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'murano'17:00
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sergmelikyano/17:00
ativelkovo/17:00
nikolay_st_holoHi17:00
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kzaitsev_mbo/17:01
freerunner\o/17:01
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kzaitsev_mbo/17:02
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sergmelikyanLet's start with action items as usual? :)17:03
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sergmelikyanI assume this as yes :)17:04
sergmelikyan#topic Action Items17:04
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sergmelikyan#1 kzaitsev_mb ask around packaging folks — how we should handle murano-glare plugin and murano-specific plugins packaging-wise17:04
kzaitsev_mbyep, asked around17:04
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kzaitsev_mbthe thing is — the way we currently have our plugin is perfectly fine17:05
kzaitsev_mbjust we should probably have those well documented for the packaging folks to know, that installing murano should also install the plugin17:06
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kzaitsev_mb(for glare for example)17:06
kzaitsev_mbbut otherwise no problem with having it the way we have it17:06
sergmelikyanso we just leaving it as is? :)17:07
kzaitsev_mbyep. we just need to have good docs17:07
kzaitsev_mbActually17:07
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kzaitsev_mbI've just (20 mins ago) thought, that we should ask around the kolla folks17:08
sergmelikyanI guess they storing details regarding each package as part of they repo17:08
kzaitsev_mblike if they run murano and glance in a separate container — how would they install murano-glare plugin17:08
sergmelikyankzaitsev_mb: or what actual question you are planning to ask?17:09
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kzaitsev_mbis that even possible17:09
sergmelikyankzaitsev_mb: I guess they would install murano-glare plugin alongside with murano to GLance container17:09
sergmelikyanwhere murano will be used as a library17:09
sergmelikyanand separate container with Murano itself17:10
kzaitsev_mbsergmelikyan: doesn't it defeat the whole idea of kolla?17:10
kzaitsev_mbhuh17:10
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sergmelikyankzaitsev_mb: I don't know what is whole idea of Kolla you are talking about17:10
kzaitsev_mbwell, to be more precise — iyozhikov told me that current situation is ok17:10
sergmelikyanif running in container - then no17:10
sergmelikyanif strict separation - they probably yes17:10
kzaitsev_mband zigo suggested we push our plugin into glare somehow17:10
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kzaitsev_mbI think that I actually see the point now )17:11
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kzaitsev_mbAnyway we should really start with documenting that thing17:12
kzaitsev_mbthe way murano-glare plugin should be installed17:12
kzaitsev_mband where it resides17:12
kzaitsev_mbhm17:12
sergmelikyanFor sure - especcialy if we want to have it enabled by default in Newton17:12
kzaitsev_mbI kind of see the problem zigo mentioned now17:13
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zigo:)17:13
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kzaitsev_mbif the plugin is not in glare package — we whould need to somehow install it to the env glare runs in.17:14
kzaitsev_mbunless they-re all global — this might be a problem17:14
kzaitsev_mbanyway. I suggest we start with documenting the whole installation and reasoning and stuff17:14
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kzaitsev_mband then approach pacaging folks once again with it. =) as long as everything is not installed in it's onw venv — current approach looks fine to me17:15
kzaitsev_mbalso I'd like to approach kolla folks on that one17:15
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kzaitsev_mb#action ask kolla folks about murano-glare situation17:16
sergmelikyanI was just about to ask you to add action item :)17:16
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kzaitsev_mbsergmelikyan: 2d AI then? =)17:17
sergmelikyanyeah :)17:17
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kzaitsev_mbI've sent a mail to openstack-infra on that one, like AJaegar suggested, but got no response17:18
kzaitsev_mb#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2016-January/003704.html17:18
sergmelikyan#2 verify that all tags are present in master, and check how we would be able to access juno code before deleting juno branch17:18
kzaitsev_mbgotta ping around the #infra guys on that17:18
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kzaitsev_mbso the situation is the following — we do not have anything unreleased in juno17:19
kzaitsev_mbeverything *will* be accessible through tags17:19
freerunnerkzaitsev_mb Looks like you forgot to add [murano] tag into title =(17:19
kzaitsev_mbso it's safe to remove the branches17:19
sergmelikyanand we don't have rights to remove the branch by ourselvs17:19
kzaitsev_mbyep. this.17:19
kzaitsev_mbfreerunner: it's a different ML, not openstack-dev17:20
kzaitsev_mbyou're probab;y not subscribed to ir17:20
* kzaitsev_mb types a bit too fast =)17:20
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kzaitsev_mbsergmelikyan: I'll ping infra folks on the topic of the mail )17:20
kzaitsev_mbAJ told me most of admins were travelling last week )17:21
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kzaitsev_mbanyway. it's safe to remove juno )17:21
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sergmelikyanstill sad about that :)17:21
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sergmelikyanI mean about deletion of the branch :)17:22
sergmelikyanBut I see the point about expectations of users when they see the branch17:22
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sergmelikyanfreerunner: guys what is the difference between #2 and #3?17:23
sergmelikyanhttp://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-01-26-17.00.html17:23
sergmelikyanI mean action items17:23
kzaitsev_mbsergmelikyan: nope. I think bot whent a bit crazy17:23
sergmelikyanthan moving to third:17:23
sergmelikyanops17:24
sergmelikyanfourth17:24
kzaitsev_mbmaybe I tried to undo something and it didn't get me right last time17:24
sergmelikyanput info on six usage to http://docs.openstack.org/developer/murano/contributing.html17:24
sergmelikyan#4 ^17:24
sergmelikyanstan_lagun:17:24
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kzaitsev_mbstan_lagun: had you had a chance to update the docs with your guideline suggestions? =)17:25
stan_lagunkzaitsev_mb: I've put the items in etherpad https://www.anonymox.net/clients/clientarea.php?action=productdetails&id=7019217:25
stan_lagunbut still hasn't converted it to a document17:26
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kzaitsev_mbit requires auth О_о17:26
stan_lagunsorry wrong link :)17:26
stan_lagunhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-contributors-rules17:26
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nikolay_st_holoNice o_O17:26
kzaitsev_mb#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-contributors-rules17:27
kzaitsev_mbawesome! =)17:27
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stan_lagunalso i wrote a document about core library design guidelines17:28
stan_lagunhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/108NAkuzT9eZ5AC1Rkw-p1eOiRbkICWQTPqpW0GVb8nw/edit#17:28
stan_lagunIt should be publicly open17:28
kzaitsev_mbI'd actually vote for waiting maybe another week, before asking someone to transfer those to contributing guide17:28
stan_lagunWe may use parts of it for the contributing guide as well17:28
kzaitsev_mbthose two are awesome =) should form a solid base for murano-specific contribution guide =)17:29
sergmelikyanagree!17:29
kzaitsev_mb#idea Think about more contribution rules and add them to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-contributors-rules17:30
kzaitsev_mbthis way ^^ we'll remember about the document without specific AIs =)17:30
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sergmelikyanLet's move to the main agenda?17:31
kzaitsev_mb(first time I used #idea =)))17:31
kzaitsev_mbsergmelikyan: +117:31
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sergmelikyankzaitsev_mb: I guess you are also first who used it on Murano meeting ever17:32
sergmelikyan:)17:32
sergmelikyan#topic Drop Babel from agents requirements and do not use i18n tools in agent17:32
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kzaitsev_mbyep, haven't seen it used anywhere, tbh17:32
sergmelikyanI support this17:32
sergmelikyanI mean, support removal translation from the murano-agent17:32
kzaitsev_mbok so the rationale is that we have Babel as 1 of the requirements for murano agent, but17:33
sergmelikyanmurano-agent is a daemon, so I don't see a reason to have a translation there17:33
kzaitsev_mbthere are only like 5 lines that are eligible for translation17:33
ativelkov+117:33
kzaitsev_mband we do not use oslo_i18n there yet17:33
stan_lagun+1. Now that we download murano-agent with cloud-init Babel that is the largest Python package agent uses (6.5Mb) just slows down the installation17:33
kzaitsev_mband I haven't yet setup translation jobs )17:33
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kzaitsev_mband babel weights like 6mb17:33
nikolay_st_holo+117:33
kzaitsev_mb#link https://pypi.python.org/pypi/Babel17:33
kzaitsev_mbok, so I suggest we put it in the contribution guide, then and remove babel from requirements =)17:34
sergmelikyankzaitsev_mb: why to contribution guys?17:34
kzaitsev_mbI think, that there is no need for voting )17:34
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sergmelikyantoday I ready bad with typing17:34
sergmelikyanwhy to put it to contribution guide?17:35
sergmelikyankzaitsev_mb: +117:35
kzaitsev_mbsergmelikyan: I suggest, that we put in the contributing guide, that we do not want i18n suite in murano-agent17:35
kzaitsev_mbso that someone would not attempt to add it17:35
sergmelikyankzaitsev_mb: yeah, why do you think it should be there?17:35
stan_lagundoesn't seem like it belongs there17:35
sergmelikyanAh17:35
kzaitsev_mbmight be somewhere17:35
kzaitsev_mbelse17:35
kzaitsev_mbI just think, it would be a good idea to document todays decision17:36
kzaitsev_mbprobably — we could add it in murano-agent doc article17:36
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kzaitsev_mbit's just that I can imagine random people coming to murano-agent adding oslo_i18n (and thus babel back), linking to OS i18n guidelines and such. =)17:37
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nikolay_st_holo:-D17:38
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sergmelikyankzaitsev_mb: don't remember people doing that with other projects so far :)17:38
enthurohinikzaitsev_mb, is it possible to write code without any link to bug or spec or BP?17:38
kzaitsev_mbenthurohini: sure. =)17:39
kzaitsev_mbalthough usually discouraged17:39
enthurohiniok17:39
sergmelikyanenthurohini: some small improvements, but I think kzaitsev_mb expected to have code with a BP like "add translation to murano-agent"17:39
kzaitsev_mbsergmelikyan: do you agree, that it's a good idea to document this decision? =)17:39
sergmelikyankzaitsev_mb: still no :)17:40
kzaitsev_mb#agree remove babel from murano-agent17:41
enthurohinikzaitsev_mb, i think, if anyone will do this, will discuss first17:41
kzaitsev_mbok, then )17:41
kzaitsev_mblet's just remove babel, then17:41
kzaitsev_mb#agreed to remove babel from murano-agent17:41
kzaitsev_mboops, it's agreed, not agree (=17:42
sergmelikyan:)17:42
sergmelikyan#topic Call to gather ideas for GSOC (kzaitsev)17:42
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kzaitsev_mbok, so there's been a letter from vkmc lately17:43
kzaitsev_mbabout call for ideas for GSOC17:43
kzaitsev_mbwe had a very nice outreachy experience (thanks enthurohini =))17:43
enthurohinimy pleasure :). want to part of GSoC ase well17:44
kzaitsev_mbSo I suggest, that we collectively would throuw ideas, about features we can give as 3-4 months ideas for GSOC17:44
kzaitsev_mb#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-2016-gsoc-ideas17:44
kzaitsev_mb#idea let's add some ideas for GSOC to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-2016-gsoc-ideas17:45
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kzaitsev_mbGSOC stans for Google Summer of Code, if that's not obvious )17:45
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sergmelikyankzaitsev_mb: do I understand correctly that it's some new cool feature, same as Outreachy?17:46
enthurohiniand GSOC is a 3 month internship as outreachy17:46
sergmelikyan(at least close to that)17:46
ativelkovit's not that new17:46
stan_lagunstans for :)17:46
kzaitsev_mb#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/085508.html17:46
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kzaitsev_mbsergmelikyan: not necessarily )17:46
enthurohinisergmelikyan, it is like oytreachy, but it allows to participate both male nd female17:47
kzaitsev_mblooks like "The deadline for mentoring organizations applications is 19/02/2016"17:47
kzaitsev_mbso I'm going to take an AI and check if we (murano) needs to do anything to have registered17:48
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kzaitsev_mb#action check with GSOC folks if murano need some official registration for GSOC17:48
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sergmelikyankzaitsev_mb: thank you :)17:50
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kzaitsev_mbanyway that's my request for you folsk — to think of features, similar to the ones we had for outreachy, that we would want to see implemented during GSOC =) I hope we'll have a couple =)17:51
* kzaitsev_mb types waaay too fast )17:51
sergmelikyan#topic Open Discussion17:52
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kzaitsev_mblike we could dig that muranoPL debugger back from the dead, or maybe YAQL.js thingy )17:52
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ativelkovFolks, what about asking the community about the potential interest for having a midcycle meetup?17:54
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nikolay_st_holoAtivelkov: good point17:57
kzaitsev_mbativelkov: is there really a point in that? =)17:57
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ativelkovwell, we may estimate the posssible attendance and make a decision if we need it or not17:57
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stan_lagun+1 for meetup anyway17:58
kzaitsev_mbIt'd be nice to meet with telefonica guys, but I haven't seen henar around for a while17:58
stan_lagunI'm sure she's going to be at N summit17:58
kzaitsev_mbwould be nice to see zhurong also ) (at least to make sure he doesn't hold a grudge against me ))17:58
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sergmelikyan:D17:59
freerunnerkzaitsev_mb: What about zhurong and lin_a_yang? Nt only Telefonica guys contributed to murano ;)17:59
kzaitsev_mbativelkov: who would you like to meet17:59
freerunnerkzaitsev_mb: Nah, quick typing kzaitsev_mb17:59
sergmelikyanI guess we are almost out of time, I will take AI to send e-mail regarding that17:59
kzaitsev_mbthe think is I suggest we reach out to specific folks (most active in murano) alongside with just writing an email to openstack-dev ML17:59
ativelkovkzaitsev_mb: anybody interested in long-term murano's roadmap planning18:00
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sergmelikyan#action sergmelikyan ask community about the potential interest for having a midcycle meetup?18:00
sergmelikyan#endmeeting18:00
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