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| n0ano | #startmeeting nova-scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 8 14:00:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| n0ano | anyone here to talk about the scheduler? | 14:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:00 |
| _gryf | \o | 14:00 |
| * cdent was hoping for a dance chain | 14:01 | |
| edleafe | \o | 14:01 |
| Yingxin | o/ happy chinese new year | 14:01 |
| edleafe | cdent: too early on a MOnday for that! | 14:01 |
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| * cdent dances anway | 14:01 | |
| cdent | anyway! | 14:01 |
| n0ano | who cares about new years, local team won the super bowl :-) | 14:01 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: happy chinese new year to you! Why are you at work? ") | 14:02 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 14:02 |
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| Yingxin | edleafe: it is always not my work time :P | 14:03 |
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| * bauzas waves | 14:03 | |
| n0ano | looks like we have approximate quorum, let's start | 14:03 |
| n0ano | #topic Patches/Reviews – https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:04 |
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| n0ano | according to the tracking page we only have 4 reviews outstanding, is that correct or are we missing some from the page? | 14:04 |
| * cdent adds a couple things | 14:04 | |
| * n0ano says as more are being added realtime | 14:04 | |
| bauzas | n0ano: I'm about to add https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273104/2 | 14:05 |
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| cdent | and I have another one in progress but not submitted yet (all resource-provider related) | 14:05 |
| bauzas | n0ano: once I fix my stupid miss | 14:05 |
| n0ano | jaypipes, I was going to point out the resource provider, looks like those will be added soon | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: how is that generic pools spec coming along? | 14:06 |
| * cdent looks at jaypipes | 14:06 | |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: will try to get the next rev up today. sorry for delay. | 14:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | just feels very very late for mitaka now, but lets see | 14:07 |
| bauzas | we can target to land the respective implementations for the 2 first specs | 14:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: yep, no need to stop the first two | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | they should be all set for mitaka now | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/resource-classes | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/resource-providers | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think those are the ones that are good to go right now | 14:11 |
| cdent | I expect to have the implementations for those first two in the first half of this week, although I expect there will need some change in review. | 14:11 |
| bauzas | + | 14:11 |
| bauzas | ++ even | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: sounds good | 14:11 |
| cdent | Although I'm going to need to bother someone for a bit of advice on some of the details about versioned objects which are composed of others | 14:11 |
| n0ano | cdent, that'd be great, just be sure to update the etherpad appropriately | 14:12 |
| cdent | roger that, n0ano | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: you mean the object fields in an object? | 14:12 |
| cdent | johnthetubaguy: yeah | 14:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cdent: cools, can ask questions in channel, thats stuff did get simpler quite recently | 14:13 |
| * cdent nods okay | 14:13 | |
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| n0ano | are there any specific reviews people want to discuss right now? | 14:13 |
| bauzas | n0ano: yup | 14:13 |
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| bauzas | like I said | 14:13 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273104/ | 14:13 |
| bauzas | given that's also something the live-migrate team wants | 14:14 |
| bauzas | well, once I'll provide the respective live-migrate patch | 14:14 |
| bauzas | I'd love to get subteam reviews for that one + the ones I'll do for live-migrate and unshelve | 14:14 |
| bauzas | which are the 3 conductor methods calling the scheduler by dumbly mocking out a fresh new request spec | 14:15 |
| edleafe | bauzas: added to my queue | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: we totally need to fix up that scheduler_utils stuff at some point, is that in the works already? | 14:15 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: that will be the last patch of the series I guess | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: would it not be cleaner as the first patch? | 14:16 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: not really, it would add lots of modifications for something not that clear yet | 14:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: OK | 14:16 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: but we can discuss that in the review for sure | 14:17 |
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| edleafe | is there a list of scheduler_utils changes that you are looking to make? | 14:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: basically, return spec_obj is what I am expecting to see, at some point | 14:18 |
| bauzas | edleafe: I was thinking of build_request_spec and set_vm_notif | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | rather than the legacy dict thing | 14:18 |
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| bauzas | but since there are lots of callers, that's a pretty hairy change :/ | 14:18 |
| edleafe | bauzas: yep | 14:18 |
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| bauzas | hence my point above | 14:19 |
| edleafe | ok - I could base it on the last of your series, and aim for integrating in newton | 14:19 |
| bauzas | and once all the conductor methods would be using the spec obj, it should be far easier to remove all the conditionals I was about to write eg. in _schedule_destination() | 14:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I guess we need to think about bumping the major RPC version just after mitaka-3 | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: so we can do that tidy up next cycle | 14:20 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: speaking of the conductor RPC API, sorry ? | 14:21 |
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| bauzas | (uploading the latest PS by the time I type) | 14:23 |
| bauzas | anyway | 14:23 |
| bauzas | let's discuss that in the review, I'm all up for comments :) | 14:23 |
| n0ano | bauzas, comments in reviews are good :-) | 14:23 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: moving on ? you probably had hard time yesterday with broncos, so I don't want to make you asleep | 14:23 |
| n0ano | bauzas, tnx for your concern, I just went home tobed, no hard partying :-) | 14:24 |
| n0ano | anyway | 14:24 |
| n0ano | #topic Bugs - https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=scheduler | 14:24 |
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| n0ano | I got commitment for our Texas group to look into sched bugs but doesn't look like any progress yet, hopefully soon | 14:25 |
| n0ano | I bug count is sticking at ~38, it would be nice to get that count to decrease as some point | 14:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: yes, possibly also the scheduler one, would have to go did | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: is that the OSIC team? | 14:26 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, maybe, I don't do acronyms well, it's the joint RackSpace/Intel lab in San Antonio | 14:27 |
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| n0ano | moving on | 14:28 |
| n0ano | #topic opens | 14:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: yeah, thats them, its just they are focusing on live-migrate bugs right now, although having a good fully triaged list of bugs for folks to work on is no bad thing | 14:28 |
| cdent | I've got this non-priority doc-only change that's been pending for a while: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262561/ would be nice to dispense with it | 14:29 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, that's reasonable, I did get a commitment that they would look into sched bugs but that the sched would be a secondary priority, better than nothing | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano : +1 | 14:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cdent: I wonder if we do want a patch that tries to talk about the overall picture post mid-cycle? | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: seem like most of the path is defined now | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | you know, from 10k feet | 14:31 |
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| cdent | johnthetubaguy: I think that's a fine idea, but I wasn't sure if/when/who time for that, and I started this one when I was considerably less well informed than I am now (which is not to say that I'm well informed now...). So I figured as a stop gap... | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: thats cool | 14:32 |
| bauzas | yeah, providing the epic would be cool | 14:32 |
| bauzas | I second that | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | I might attempt something, if nothing happens soon, but would love it if someone else gets there first | 14:33 |
| n0ano | cdent, trying to write it up would be a great way to become more informed, I'd encourage you to try, we'll all help with reviews | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | need it merged well before the summit, ideally | 14:33 |
| cdent | n0ano: I'm currently _very_ booked on priority patches... | 14:33 |
| n0ano | cdent, understood | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: yeah, the patches are key right now, this is probably for post mikta-3 when all those have to have merged | 14:34 |
| * cdent nods | 14:34 | |
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| n0ano | anyone have anything else new? | 14:34 |
| n0ano | hearing crickets | 14:35 |
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| n0ano | OK, tnx everyone and keep those reviews coming | 14:36 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 14:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 8 14:36:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-02-08-14.00.html | 14:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-02-08-14.00.txt | 14:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-02-08-14.00.log.html | 14:36 |
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| ihrachys | hi all upgrade guardians. we'll start in a min. | 15:00 |
| slunkad | hi | 15:01 |
| mhickey | Hi | 15:01 |
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| jschwarz | o/ | 15:01 |
| jschwarz | \o/ | 15:01 |
| rossella_s | hi :) | 15:01 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 8 15:01:51 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | ok let's get it rolling | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | hi all. I am back with you. thanks rossella_s for running the previous meeting! | 15:02 |
| korzen | hello | 15:02 |
| mhickey | rossella_s: ++ | 15:02 |
| sc68cal | o/ | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:02 | |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, my pleasure :) glad to have you back! | 15:02 |
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| ihrachys | pc_m was wondering why we don't have a bug to track our OVO work. so here you go: | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1541928 | 15:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1541928 in neutron "Adopt oslo.versionedobjects for core resources (ports, networks, subnets, ...)" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ihar Hrachyshka (ihar-hrachyshka) | 15:02 |
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| pc_m | ihrachys: Thanks! | 15:03 |
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| rossella_s | time to update our patches to use that bug id | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | please mention the bug in all your patches for objectification. it should answer some concerns of people outside of the team. | 15:03 |
| * njohnston is listening in from the back row | 15:03 | |
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| ihrachys | next thing is sprint... | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #topic March code sprint | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | so as you all know, we have a code sprint in Brno in the middle of March | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/085328.html | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | (in case you wonder, it's in Europe) | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | we have a nearly empty etherpad for now | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/code-sprint-neutron-objects-brno | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | but it already contains some travel related tips | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | please add your nickname in the list of attendees if you plan to go | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | I hope to see you all there ;) | 15:04 |
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| mhickey | ihrachsy: good to see connections from other big hub airports in Europe! :) | 15:04 |
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| mhickey | ihrachys:^ | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: you are free to update the etherpad :) | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | another thing worth mentioning is that we are almost at M3 stage (that will occur end of Feb), and the release is middle of March I guess | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | just so everyone is aware that some patches may be blocked for a bit because of core team struggling to push scheduled deliverables. but I hope it won't happened much. | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | ok, now to actual business | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:06 |
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| ihrachys | sc68cal: do you have an update? | 15:07 |
| sc68cal | We're going through Neutron and trying to get the MTU issue fixed | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | I *presume* not much changed since recently, but maybe I miss smth | 15:07 |
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| sc68cal | I have a suspicion that the last 3 errors we see with floating IPs is because of an MTU mismatch between router interfaces that Sam-I-Am has discovered - possibly. | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | sc68cal: yeah. I see Sam-I-Am testing different scenarios for MTU in his local setup. | 15:08 |
| sc68cal | although we should be setting the correct MTU to the guests. So, it's still a mystery really. | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | I actually checked that assumption in gate, I am not sure it's the case. | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | specifically, I pushed a testing patch https://review.openstack.org/274358 to dump interfaces inside network namespaces | 15:09 |
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| ihrachys | and checked what's there on internal router legs | 15:09 |
| sc68cal | ooooh | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | it's the same 1450 (assuming you set 1450 for network_device_mtu) | 15:09 |
| sc68cal | Gotcha. Yeah I don't like how we have path_mtu, segment_mtu and network_device_mtu | 15:10 |
| sc68cal | lots of opportunity for error | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | see here: http://logs.openstack.org/59/265759/20/experimental/gate-grenade-dsvm-neutron-multinode/d64a6e6/logs/worlddump-2016-01-30-164508.txt.gz | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | I actually planned to set a devstack setup with 1450 mtu to see whether it experiences the failure then | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | but was traveling for the whole week and hence did not have a chance. | 15:11 |
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| ihrachys | if that's a local mtu issue when using 1450 mtu for network_device_mtu and is not related to internode connectivity, then I could reproduce it I guess with all-in-one | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | anyhow, need to poke that a bit more | 15:12 |
| sc68cal | yup | 15:12 |
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| ihrachys | nevertheless, it's great we take MTU thing seriously: for most setups, it's not a realistic case to run with underlying infrastructure that does not support usual 1500 size for frames. | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | ok, next... the biggest topic to cover... | 15:13 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:13 |
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| ihrachys | I guess rossella_s is in better position to update than me. rossella_s, your stage :) | 15:13 |
| rossella_s | so as you might see from the list of the patches, there's been a lot of progress | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | yeah, FYI the list is somewhere here: | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam | 15:14 |
| rossella_s | mhickey, helped a lot in get the tests passing for the port ovo and 2 of the extensions, thanks! | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | a lot of patches in flight. not many merged yet, but that will roll quicker, we just set the stage for now :) | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | mhickey++ | 15:15 |
| mhickey | np | 15:15 |
| rossella_s | korzen, also did a great job with the subnet ovo and with handling composite keys | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | yeah, composite key patch is magic | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/275790 the magic | 15:16 |
| * ajo reads magic :) | 15:16 | |
| rossella_s | slunkad, is working on security group extension, it's still WIP #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275664/ | 15:16 |
| rossella_s | I am working at handling synthetic fields in a base neutron object, will send a patch tomorrow probably | 15:17 |
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| rossella_s | other people joined our efforts but I don't see them in the meeting..electrocucaracha, dguitarbite, saisriki | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | a lot of work is still ongoing in base class. apparently we haven't covered all use cases when we did qos. :) | 15:18 |
| saisriki | Hi rossella_s | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | that's an impressive list already. seems like we'll be in good position to make progress on the sprint. | 15:19 |
| rossella_s | yep | 15:19 |
| rossella_s | saisriki, do you have an update? | 15:19 |
| rossella_s | saisriki, I don't see any link for a patch in the team page, do you have one? | 15:19 |
| saisriki | Not much. I will update the wiki page. I started working on creating DB fields for Neutron similar to that of Nova | 15:20 |
| rossella_s | saisriki, great! if you need any help please reach out | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | saisriki: thanks. I am not sure what's the scope. Can you describe which fields do you mean? | 15:21 |
| saisriki | ok, will do | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | like... custom types? | 15:21 |
| saisriki | I have identified IPAddress and CIDR fields for now. I am not sure if I need to add more types | 15:21 |
| saisriki | ihrachys: yes, custom types | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | oh ok. I thought that CIDR is already supported by OVO library. but if not, yes, we need those. | 15:22 |
| korzen | ihrachys, it was raised by rossella_s on the privious meeting, we need SQL alchemy decorator | 15:22 |
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| ihrachys | note that korzen has the first custom field in review: https://review.openstack.org/273517 | 15:22 |
| saisriki | Oh, if it is already supported, I will re-check. | 15:22 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys those fields are supported by OVO but not by sqlalchemy | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | ok, I guess I need to educate myself. will wait for the patches. | 15:22 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, we need a translator...look at nova/db/sqlalchemy/types | 15:23 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: oh interesting. ok, let's discuss it in gerrit once patches are up. | 15:23 |
| korzen | the decorator is needed to insert IPAddress and IPNetwork OVO fields to DB | 15:23 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, ok | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | anything else object-y worth notion? | 15:23 |
| mhickey | yes.. | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | shoot | 15:23 |
| korzen | I have one | 15:23 |
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| mhickey | I need some love for following patches: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273072/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268274/ | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: yeah right. we'll get to them. I was not in position to review till today. | 15:24 |
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| mhickey | I understand; just putting it out there. thanks. | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | korzen: what's up? | 15:24 |
| korzen | can I modify the db_api methods to remove the ID param? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275790/3/neutron/db/api.py | 15:25 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: well, till now we tried to avoid that. but if that hugely simplifies our lives, we could reconsider it. OR have new functions with proper signature and deprecate old ones. | 15:26 |
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| rossella_ | sorry I've just got disconnected for few minutes | 15:26 |
| korzen | ihrachys I guess that it would look cleaner if the ID would be removed | 15:27 |
| mhickey | ++ | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | korzen: if we can go with deprecation, I would take the path. | 15:27 |
| korzen | ok, sounds good to me | 15:27 |
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| ihrachys | ok I also encourage folks to check the patch that adds a generic RBAC capability for objects: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250081/ | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | it's very magic and metaclass-y, but gives a promise of easy RBAC integration in the future. | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | and we'll need it when we get to porting networks to objects. | 15:29 |
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| korzen | from software developer ro magician, need to update my CV | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | Distinguished Alchemist | 15:29 |
| jschwarz | aye, Haim is working very hard to get the RBAC patch for M-3 | 15:29 |
| korzen | s/ro/to | 15:29 |
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| jschwarz | reviews will be appreciated for that patch | 15:30 |
| mhickey | jschwarz: ack | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | oh yeah indeed. it's not much time left to get it in, so we should push. :) | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | there are also two patches for rpc callbacks rolling upgrades: https://review.openstack.org/265347 and https://review.openstack.org/268040 from ajo | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | the 1st one should be ready for review | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | also quite tight on time and it blocks some other initiatives like qos dscp. | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: you also have the test-only patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270309/ | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: do we still wait for new OVO release? | 15:31 |
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| mhickey | ihrachys: yes | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: ok I gotta request a new release today on oslo meeting | 15:32 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: I would be grateful! :) | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | and that's about it for objects, I guess. | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:32 |
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| ihrachys | anything we have not covered? | 15:33 |
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| korzen | my open would be about copying test case from OVO | 15:33 |
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| korzen | rossella_ ihrachys are we on the same page? | 15:34 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: right. we cannot rely on non-public code from oslo libraries. | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | I hate duplication mysefl | 15:34 |
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| ihrachys | maybe we could talk to oslo folks to get the test declared public | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | I think we already have cases like that | 15:34 |
| rossella_ | ihrachys, good idea | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | f.e. oslo.db provides some test class for migrations | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | and we inherit from it in neutron | 15:35 |
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| ihrachys | ok let me talk to oslo folks today on the matter and we'll see what they thing | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | *think | 15:35 |
| rossella_ | ihrachys, thanks! | 15:35 |
| korzen | ok, thx ihrachys | 15:35 |
| mhickey | rossella_s: Is there a backlog of objects to be done or is it clear at the moment? | 15:35 |
| rossella_ | mhickey, thanks for asking...well there's a WIP patch for sec group and I haven't see any patch for port security yet | 15:37 |
| rossella_ | mhickey, if you have spare cycles I guess we can ask people directly if they need help...it that's something that might interest you | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | I think we took on ports and subnets and networks and that's already more than we can manage right now. I suggest we collaborate on existing patches to get them merged. | 15:37 |
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| slunkad | rossella_: I should be able to complete the sec group one this week.. | 15:37 |
| rossella_ | slunkad, great | 15:38 |
| mhickey | rossella_: ok. ihrachys: agree. I will probably have less time this week with the bug deputy work! :) | 15:38 |
| slunkad | at least good enough for review ;) | 15:38 |
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| rossella_ | mhickey, right! thanks for that too! we are here if you need help | 15:38 |
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| ihrachys | slunkad: no one expects it to shine on first iteration | 15:38 |
| korzen | mhickey, I'm busy with subnet, so maybe you can look at network OVO, if interested? | 15:38 |
| slunkad | ihrachys: right! | 15:39 |
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| mhickey | rossella_: thanks for offering. I may come asking! :) | 15:39 |
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| ihrachys | great. I guess we can make the meeting shorter and spend the next 20 mins to review patches. :) | 15:39 |
| mhickey | korzen: I will get back to you. Maybe maxed as have patches to drive through myself. | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | thanks all and keep up the good work | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 8 15:40:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-02-08-15.01.html | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-02-08-15.01.txt | 15:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-02-08-15.01.log.html | 15:40 |
| rossella_ | thanks, bye!! | 15:40 |
| mhickey | Thanks and bye | 15:40 |
| korzen | ok, thx, bye | 15:40 |
| jschwarz | bb | 15:40 |
| pc_m | bye | 15:40 |
| slunkad | thanks, bye@ | 15:40 |
| slunkad | !* | 15:40 |
| openstack | slunkad: Error: "*" is not a valid command. | 15:40 |
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| dims | #startmeeting oslo | 16:01 |
| dims | courtesy ping for GheRivero, amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, harlowja, haypo, | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 8 16:01:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dims. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
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| dims | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, spamaps | 16:01 |
| dims | courtesy ping for sergmelikyan, sreshetnyak, sileht, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek, gcb | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| dims | courtesy ping for dukhlov, lxsli, rbradfor, mikal, nakato, tcammann1, browne, | 16:01 |
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| e0ne | hi | 16:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:01 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:01 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | yo yo | 16:01 |
| stevemar | o/ | 16:01 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 16:01 |
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| jecarey | o/ | 16:01 |
| rbradfor | o/ | 16:01 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:01 |
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| dims | hi e0ne johnsom harlowja_at_home stevemar kgiusti ihrachys jecarey rbradfor rpodolyaka | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | howdy | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 16:02 |
| kgiusti | hey there! | 16:02 |
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| dims | let's get started :) | 16:02 |
| toabctl | hi | 16:02 |
| dims | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:02 | |
| dukhlov | hi | 16:02 |
| johnsom | Nothing much. We would like to get the taskflow version bumped: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276549/2 | 16:02 |
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| harlowja_at_home | +1 :) | 16:03 |
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| ihrachys | neutron here: we may need new oslo.versionedobjects library with a new registry fixture so that we can remove some code that accesses internal attributes from the library. | 16:03 |
| dims | johnsom : ack | 16:03 |
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| ihrachys | also, we have a question on the library testing interface, but I guess we better leave it to open discussion | 16:04 |
| dims | ihrachys : code is already in? | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | dims: yes | 16:04 |
| dims | ihrachys ok | 16:04 |
| stevemar | dims: nothing from keystone (where's bknudson_?) | 16:04 |
| dims | thanks stevemar | 16:04 |
| dims | #topic Releases for Mitaka | 16:04 |
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| dims | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277212/ - Mega Release | 16:04 |
| dims | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277203/ - Oslo privsep 1.0.0 | 16:04 |
| dims | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274746/ - Oslo Config | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:04 |
| dims | need reviews on those please. specifically look at the list-changes job | 16:04 |
| dims | am holding back the oslo.db - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277222/ | 16:05 |
| dims | as we saw some breaks with InvalidSortKey that rpodolyaka helped fix | 16:05 |
| stevemar | \o/ for oslo.config release that has the generator fix | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link http://logs.openstack.org/12/277212/4/check/gate-releases-tox-list-changes/386a7b5/console.html | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | dims: No red flags from Cinder right now, btw. | 16:05 |
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| dims | stevemar : thanks for your patience, we were waiting on a bug that cropped up for that release | 16:06 |
| dims | jungleboyj : thanks | 16:06 |
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| stevemar | dims: np, it wasn't super critical, just for the sample config | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | dims: Welcome. | 16:06 |
| haypo | for oslo.db, the regression is fixed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277328/ | 16:06 |
| dims | stevemar : i pointed out the keystone proposed update setup to Nova, they may want to do the same | 16:06 |
| haypo | dims: oh, you didn't approve the change? | 16:06 |
| stevemar | dims: oh nice | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | stevemar: What was the generator fix? | 16:07 |
| haypo | dims: i can approve it if you want (we know have a fix for heat) | 16:07 |
| dims | haypo : done | 16:07 |
| stevemar | dims: it acts funny sometimes, but it does the job | 16:07 |
| stevemar | jungleboyj: options were out of order | 16:07 |
| dims | so for others, the idea is that keystone team does check in their sample keystone.conf and they have a bot that generates a fresh keystone.conf and compares it and proposes reviews | 16:07 |
| dims | nova does not have a sample config checked in | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | stevemar: Ah, good. | 16:08 |
| dims | so the bot essentially goes berserk :) | 16:08 |
| dims | with the new oslo.config hopefully it will not keep proposing updates because things go out of order | 16:08 |
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| dims | i'd recommend this setup for other projects as well | 16:08 |
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| rbradfor | dims, I second that | 16:09 |
| dims | as it helps when libraries that you use change their config options | 16:09 |
| dims | you get an immediate feedback | 16:09 |
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| stevemar | dims and others, there were a few reasons why we did it in the first place: 1) different ptaches would propose changes to the sample config and break each other, and 2) or they would forget and someone would eventually have to propose this patch (catch new oslo config options) | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | stevemar : you could also use http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.config/sphinxconfiggen.html to generate the sample as you build your docs | 16:10 |
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| dims | dhellmann : others, example proposal from bot - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269479/ | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | yeah, the next release of the lib should fix the ordering issue for them, thanks to rbradfor's patch | 16:11 |
| dims | thanks rbradfor | 16:11 |
| stevemar | dims: yeah, that's the one that shows it all out of whack | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | dims: I have a team member that was hoping to talk about all the different ways that configs are being handled. | 16:11 |
| stevemar | rbradfor: thanks! :D | 16:11 |
| rbradfor | stevemar, np | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | dims: Hopefully in Austin and try to bring some sanity to everything. | 16:11 |
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| dims | jungleboyj : do we need to wait till austin? :) | 16:12 |
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| dims | i'd prefer to do prep work before if possible | 16:12 |
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| jungleboyj | dims: Well, don't have to but it would be nice to get together and talk about it. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | speaking of the devil, here is diablo_rojo now. | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | jungleboyj : is this the person who proposed a panel session for the summit on the ML a while back? | 16:13 |
| dims | diablo_rojo : will you be around for open discussion in a few mins? | 16:13 |
| * dhellmann can't remember the name | 16:13 | |
| jungleboyj | dhellmann: Yes. | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | literally might be the devil, lol | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | jungleboyj : ok, good, I was worried we had 2 sets of ideas floating around :-) | 16:14 |
| dims | k let's hold on to that till open discussion :) | 16:14 |
| dims | #topic Using our CI instead of travis | 16:14 |
| dims | #link http://logs.openstack.org/74/277074/1/experimental/periodic-nova-py27-with-oslo-master/f291087/ | 16:14 |
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| dims | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277086/ | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | dhellmann: No, diablo_rojo is Kendall Nelson on my team. Can tlak later. | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | jungleboyj : ++ | 16:14 |
| diablo_rojo | dims: Yes I will be around | 16:14 |
| dims | so the idea here is for me/us to stop using the https://travis-ci.org/dims/ setup for identifying py27/py34 unit tests breaks | 16:15 |
| diablo_rojo | dhellmann: Yep thats me :) | 16:15 |
| dims | turn those into periodic jobs which anyone can look at | 16:15 |
| dims | if you see the links above, there are project-config reviews | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya! | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | dims : where does the output of the jobs go? | 16:15 |
| bknudson_ | what are the options for jobs? Is periodic the only option? | 16:15 |
| dims | anyone from neutron here? need your blessing on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277086/ | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | how would I find the logs? | 16:15 |
| bknudson_ | maybe experimental job | 16:15 |
| dims | dhellmann : we'll get emails | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | ok | 16:16 |
| dims | bknudson_ : currently they are setup as experimental so i can kick tires, but will be pure periodic jobs | 16:16 |
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| dims | bknudson_ : till next rev of gerrit API where a trigger will be available for periodic jobs | 16:16 |
| bknudson_ | ok | 16:16 |
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| dims | i've talked to jeblair, fungi and others about needing a way to run these especially to see if we fixed a problem after we identify one | 16:17 |
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| fungi | there are other systems which could benefit from using this as an example too | 16:18 |
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| dims | yes, thanks fungi | 16:18 |
| fungi | i know we've been wanting for a while to be able to run equivalents of various projects' jobs for constraints update proposals, for example | 16:19 |
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| dims | any concerns here? on anteaya 's suggestion, i'll drop an email to -dev as well | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | this is a huge improvement over running the tests by hand | 16:19 |
| fungi | and teh challenge around that is basically the same | 16:19 |
| bknudson_ | maybe we could use it for keystone so we stop breaking things | 16:19 |
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| * fungi loves it when people stop breaking things | 16:20 | |
| dhellmann | bknudson_ : yep, eventually it would be good to have this in all libraries | 16:20 |
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| dims | another problem here is where to go look for the results (aggregate), so will setup some logstash/grafana/graphite queries/links | 16:20 |
| dims | fungi : right? ^^ | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | I thought we might want to look at triggering similar jobs when a release is requested | 16:20 |
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| dims | bknudson_ : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277086/ has keystone listed | 16:20 |
| bknudson_ | we'd like to know before the release | 16:20 |
| fungi | dims: yeah, you can use those various systems for short or long term trending depending on what you're looking for | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | bknudson_ : right, they would run in the check queue for the release request patch | 16:21 |
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| dims | cool, anyone interested, please help me move this forward :) | 16:22 |
| fungi | dims: though the discoverability issue we have is mostly on periodic and post jobs. for check/gate jobs we report onto gerrit changes | 16:22 |
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| dims | fungi : right | 16:22 |
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| dims | #topic ihrachys - library testing interface | 16:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ihrachys - library testing interface (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:22 | |
| dims | ihrachys : all yours | 16:22 |
| dims | what's up? | 16:22 |
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| dims | ok let's open it up then :) | 16:23 |
| dims | #topic Open discussion | 16:23 |
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| ihrachys | mm, sorry | 16:23 |
| ihrachys | so in neutron, we started to implement some custom oslo.versionedobjects fields | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/273517 | 16:24 |
| bknudson_ | why not put them in oslo.versionedobjects? | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | and obviously we want to test them | 16:24 |
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| ihrachys | bknudson_: it's neutron only | 16:24 |
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| dims | bknudson_ : hang on till we get a full problem statement :) | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | initial version of the patch was basing the test class on test_fields from oslo library | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273517/2/neutron/tests/unit/objects/test_common_types.py | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | but I expressed concern that the test class is not part of library interface | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | yeah, the tests subpackage is not part of the API most of the time | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | and hence we need to duplicate it in our tree | 16:25 |
| bknudson_ | move it to the public interface | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | and that's what we have in latest version | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | the usual thing to do is create a fixtures module that is part of the public API | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | but we were wondering whether it may be useful to have some test class like that as public | 16:26 |
| ihrachys | like oslo.db provides some test classes for projects | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | so you'd update oslo.vo to use the fixtures, and then on the next release you could use them | 16:26 |
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| dims | dansmith, around? | 16:26 |
| dims | +1 to dhellmann 's suggestion | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | ihrachys : fixtures are ok, but not test base classes | 16:26 |
| ihrachys | dhellmann: I think we are also interested in test cases from the class | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | we have a policy for this: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/oslo-specs/specs/policy/test-tools.html | 16:27 |
| ihrachys | ok, in oslo.db we have that http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.db/api/oslo_db.sqlalchemy.test_migrations.html | 16:27 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I think that existed before the policy | 16:28 |
| bknudson_ | is there some concern about making functionality for tests part of the public api? | 16:28 |
| ihrachys | ok, got it. we'll see whether there is anything worth a fixture beyond test cases then | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | basically, it becomes extremely messy to debug multiple inheritance in test classes | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | that's why fixtures work out better | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | but if you can't convert what you have into a proper fixture, we should revisit | 16:29 |
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| bknudson_ | what's the oslo code that's being made public? | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | thanks. we'll take it from here. | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | bknudson_ : I interpreted the question as "how should we handle this" | 16:29 |
| dims | sounds like a good plan of action | 16:29 |
| dims | bknudson_ : test_fields from o.vo | 16:29 |
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| dims | dhellmann : can you please remind us about the library freeze dates? | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://github.com/openstack/oslo.versionedobjects/blob/master/oslo_versionedobjects/tests/test_fields.py | 16:30 |
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| dhellmann | #link the schedule http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/schedule.html | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | final releases for non-client libraries is R-6, which is Feb 22-26 | 16:31 |
| dims | email http://markmail.org/message/3feg5oajsg3q6rmk | 16:31 |
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| dhellmann | speaking of, I have some enhancements and fixes for oslo.config's sphinx integration that I would like to get into the release: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslo.config+topic:unique-config-section-headers | 16:31 |
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| dims | so, please look at reviews in progress, global requirement minimums and upper constraints things you need | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | some of those are needed for the glance docs | 16:32 |
| dims | dhellmann : ack. will review | 16:32 |
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| dims | any other things to discuss from any one? | 16:33 |
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| dims | going once | 16:33 |
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| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: ^^^ | 16:34 |
| dims | diablo_rojo : ping :) | 16:34 |
| diablo_rojo | dims: Hello :) | 16:34 |
| dims | the floor is yours :) | 16:34 |
| diablo_rojo | So I missed the first part of the conversation but jungleboyj filled me in a bit about options changes | 16:34 |
| diablo_rojo | ? | 16:34 |
| dims | diablo_rojo : y we were talking about how keystone maintains a keystone.conf.sample in its tree by using a bot | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | Sorry, also in another conference call. | 16:35 |
| diablo_rojo | I just was wondering what that entailed and if that may be a good thing to add to the design summit talk about the generation of sample conf files for all projects. | 16:35 |
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| harlowja_at_home | seems like a good thing to ad | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | *add | 16:36 |
| diablo_rojo | dims: I had talked to Morgain Fainberg and he said he would talk a bit about keystones approach if my proposed session gets accepted. | 16:36 |
| dims | diablo_rojo : just an entry in a project-config repo. quite easy, it's all setup. only project using it is keystone, so just need to enable for other projects | 16:36 |
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| dims | diablo_rojo : it will work just like the bot that proposes requirements changes | 16:37 |
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| diablo_rojo | dims: That sounds wonderful :) | 16:37 |
| stevemar | dims: glad you like it :) | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | dims : I guess that means we've given up on encouraging projects to generate those files rather than checking them in? | 16:37 |
| diablo_rojo | dhellmann: checking them in was hard for Cinder with all the drivers in tree adding options and never updating the file :/ | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | stevemar: So instead of failing check runs it just proposes updates ? | 16:37 |
| dims | dhellmann : i think of it as keeping a well known blessed master version | 16:38 |
| stevemar | dhellmann: the checked in versions are really handy to show people options :\ | 16:38 |
| stevemar | jungleboyj: yep, same as the requirements bot | 16:38 |
| dims | jungleboyj : diablo_rojo : example https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269479/ | 16:38 |
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| jungleboyj | stevemar: Interesting. | 16:38 |
| diablo_rojo | dims: Thanks :) | 16:38 |
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| diablo_rojo | COOL | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | stevemar : do you just want a link to a file to share? http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.config/sphinxconfiggen.html | 16:38 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj: I think Cinder needs this :) | 16:39 |
| stevemar | dhellmann: haven't looked into that yet, is it new? | 16:39 |
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| dims | diablo_rojo : jungleboyj : http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=propose-config-updates | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | stevemar : we added that for this purpose in liberty, and didn't advertise it well | 16:39 |
| stevemar | dhellmann: what was the issue with having the sample checked in? | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Interesting. We will need to look at that and see what the rest of the team things. | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | *thinks | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | stevemar : your "master" file is out of date as soon as anyone changes options in a library | 16:40 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj: I can put it on the weekly agenda if you'd like | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: ++ | 16:40 |
| dims | dhellmann : hence the daily update from the bot | 16:40 |
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| dims | so at least you know that the rug was pulled from under you | 16:40 |
| * dhellmann shrugs | 16:40 | |
| diablo_rojo | dhellmann: So a while back in the ML, you had made comments about the way Cinder was setting up entry_points? I put a patch up to try to address one of them and I was wondering if you could take a look? | 16:40 |
| stevemar | dhellmann: that's why the proposal bot type job was created | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | diablo_rojo : link? | 16:41 |
| diablo_rojo | dhellmann: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274810/ | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | stevemar : if you want to check compiled files into the repo, I can't stop you. I just think it's a bad idea. | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | diablo_rojo : it's on my queue | 16:41 |
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| stevemar | dhellmann: i think we're trying to solve the problem? | 16:41 |
| diablo_rojo | dhellmann: It just removes the keystonemiddleware endpoint we had in setup.cfg. Thanks. | 16:42 |
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| rbradfor | diablo_rojo, there are also some other inconsistencies in the entry points, _ and . syntax in oslo's. I recall I had issues using these namespaces. | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | stevemar : as long as you're not blocking other patches because a validator doesn't pass when the file is out of date, doing it won't make development more difficult. I just thought we all agreed to stop doing it entirely, so I'm surprised to learn about this new bot thing. | 16:42 |
| stevemar | dhellmann: i'l look at sphinxconfgen soon, you've yet to steer me wrong :) | 16:42 |
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| rbradfor | stevemar, we have started to try and use both the config file to generate docs of all options on one page, and then also have a sample config in the docs to reference that matches | 16:44 |
| diablo_rojo | rbradfor: Oh yeah? Everything seems to work currently- better than it did even than before when we used oslo-incubator for this stuff. I could be missing something though. | 16:44 |
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| stevemar | rbradfor: dhellmann is there a project that is currently using this? | 16:45 |
| diablo_rojo | stevemar: Keystone is | 16:45 |
| rbradfor | stevemar, glance I believe | 16:45 |
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| stevemar | diablo_rojo: i meant sphinxconfiggen | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | stevemar : glance is using the other form of sphinx integration, with pretty output instead of a sample file | 16:46 |
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| dhellmann | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/glance/opts.html | 16:46 |
| diablo_rojo | stevemar: Oh. My mistake. Sorry! | 16:46 |
| stevemar | dhellmann: arright, i'll take a look, i'd prefer it in docs over checked in, didn't know this existed | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | I have a patch up to improve on that, but it depends on some of the unreleased and unmerged changes I mentioned earlier: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276931/ | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | I can update that to also use the sample file generator | 16:47 |
| bknudson_ | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/glance/opts.html belongs in end-user docs | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | stevemar : yeah, like I said, we didn't do a great job of advertising it | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | bknudson_ : it will, eventually | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | I also need to talk to the docs team about using this for the config guide | 16:47 |
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| dims | cool. so we all have things to look over :) | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | that build will be interesting, since the inputs come from source files in a lot of other projects | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | at this point it's something for next cycle | 16:48 |
| stevemar | dhellmann: alright, i'll poke around at this then | 16:48 |
| bknudson_ | http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/config-reference/content/keystone-configuration-file.html -- not pretty | 16:48 |
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| stevemar | bknudson_: yeah :\ | 16:48 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson_ : yeah, now that they've converted the new guides to rst they'll be able to use these extensions | 16:48 |
| bknudson_ | great | 16:49 |
| rbradfor | bknudson_, definitely not when also looking at for other projects in the same doc | 16:49 |
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| * SpamapS is here now | 16:49 | |
| dims | Hey SpamapS | 16:49 |
| SpamapS | sorry I've been so absent. How are the tooz drivers going? | 16:49 |
| stevemar | dhellmann: looks like we were trying to solve the same issue, and didn't know each other mechanism existed :) | 16:49 |
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| harlowja_at_home | pokes back | 16:50 |
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| stevemar | hmm, that definitely isn't openstack-like | 16:50 |
| dims | jd__ : harlowja_at_home : what's up with tooz ( SpamapS is asking ) | 16:50 |
| dims | stevemar : haha | 16:50 |
| harlowja_at_home | SpamapS, vilobh been busy with internal stuff, but consul almost there @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245362/ | 16:50 |
| jd__ | it's cool! | 16:50 |
| SpamapS | harlowja_at_home: sweet. We're using consul heavily in the cloud that has distracted me from tooz, and I was like "oh snap I want that driver now" ;-) | 16:51 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266015/ also makes etcd use compare-and-delete | 16:51 |
| harlowja_at_home | SpamapS, i'll bug vilobh when i see him today :-P | 16:51 |
| dhellmann | stevemar : yeah | 16:51 |
| jd__ | i'm working on test setup simplification with overtest too https://github.com/jd/overtest | 16:52 |
| harlowja_at_home | SpamapS, what are u using consul heavily for? | 16:52 |
| SpamapS | harlowja_at_home: service discovery | 16:52 |
| * dims we have 8 mins left - warning | 16:52 | |
| SpamapS | healthchecks -> DNS -> loadbalancer/mysql/rabbitmq | 16:52 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:52 |
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| SpamapS | It's quite nice for that. | 16:52 |
| harlowja_at_home | right | 16:52 |
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| harlowja_at_home | IBM ok with all that go code?? ;) | 16:53 |
| SpamapS | we're not writing it. ;) | 16:53 |
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| SpamapS | and I mean, I find any language decision hard to criticise whenever I see import eventlet ... ;) | 16:54 |
| harlowja_at_home | but its green, green must be good, lol | 16:54 |
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| harlowja_at_home | *makes things green, lol | 16:54 |
| dims | :) | 16:54 |
| harlowja_at_home | eventlet_organics | 16:54 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:54 |
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| dims | so let's wrap up for today then. thanks a lot everyone | 16:55 |
| SpamapS | eventlet is definitely GMO threading | 16:55 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:55 |
| dims | haha | 16:55 |
| SpamapS | harlowja_at_home: ty for the update | 16:55 |
| harlowja_at_home | np | 16:55 |
| dims | #endmeeting | 16:55 |
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| mfedosin | Courtesy meeting reminder: nikhil_k, ativelkov, mfedosin, docaedo, dshakhray, kfox111, kairat, nikhil, sudipto | 17:29 |
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| mfedosin | let's begin? | 17:30 |
| kairat | o/ | 17:30 |
| dshakhray | o/ | 17:30 |
| mfedosin | #startmeeting glance_artifacts_sub_team | 17:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 8 17:30:57 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mfedosin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:30 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance_artifacts_sub_team' | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-artifacts-sub-team-meeting-agenda | 17:31 |
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| mfedosin | sudipto: thank you for join us! | 17:32 |
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| docaedo | o/ | 17:32 |
| sudipto | mfedosin, happy to join! :) | 17:32 |
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| mfedosin | okay, I think we can start with midcycle updates | 17:32 |
| mfedosin | it was last week and we discussed things about Glare | 17:33 |
| mfedosin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-mitaka-virtual-mid-cycle | 17:33 |
| mfedosin | section Glare | 17:33 |
| mfedosin | 1. We all agree that separation to public and private apis are bad | 17:34 |
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| nikhil | hi | 17:34 |
| nikhil | my previous meeting overrun, sorry about delay here | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | 2. To satisfy DefCore we make Images plugin and OpenStack Image API obligaatory for all Glare deployments | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: HI!!!! | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | welcome | 17:35 |
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| mfedosin | we're talking about updates from midcycle | 17:35 |
| nikhil | thank you :) | 17:35 |
| nikhil | ah cool, I guess it was a healthy and productive discussion | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: I just copy here the decisions we made | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | 3. We will use oslo.vo as a standard declarative framework to define Glare plugins | 17:37 |
| mfedosin | and finally we decided not to merge current glare client for v0.1 | 17:37 |
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| mfedosin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255220/ | 17:38 |
| mfedosin | because only Murano uses v0.1 and they have client merged in their muranoclient | 17:38 |
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| mfedosin | so, we confirmed everything that we already knew. | 17:40 |
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| mfedosin | next thing, as I promised I wrote a Glare FAQ | 17:40 |
| mfedosin | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D4Hik0-XNqwi43gxtybCs9-fMqh5IAIu8CHB33e46OQ/edit | 17:41 |
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| mfedosin | does this link work for you? | 17:41 |
| nikhil | works for me | 17:41 |
| mfedosin | it's very initial draft with terrible English | 17:41 |
| mfedosin | Olena didn't have a chance to look there | 17:42 |
| docaedo | link works for me too | 17:42 |
| nikhil | so, iiuc it's open for collaboration right and not something you are planning to evolve yourself and publish new draft there? | 17:42 |
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| mfedosin | (Olena is a Glance technical writer) | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | my idea is to publish it in OpenStack wiki | 17:43 |
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| mfedosin | and update it from time to time | 17:43 |
| mfedosin | when new information appears | 17:43 |
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| mfedosin | feel free to live comments there, maybe you want to see other answers there | 17:44 |
| kairat | so it looks like an intro to the project | 17:44 |
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| mfedosin | so you can leave your questions | 17:44 |
| mfedosin | kairat is right | 17:44 |
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| mfedosin | I made it to help newcomers | 17:45 |
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| nikhil | so, searchlight has this information in the source tree | 17:45 |
| mfedosin | last week we discussed this service with sudipto | 17:45 |
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| mfedosin | and I tried to put the answers to the questions he asked me. | 17:46 |
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| mfedosin | maybe we can merge it in glance repo | 17:46 |
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| mfedosin | I just want the community be okay with it | 17:46 |
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| nikhil | ++ | 17:47 |
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| sudipto | mfedosin, nikhil is it possible to play around with some bit of the prototype in some way? | 17:47 |
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| mfedosin | but anyway it's a draft and you can add your comment there till the next week | 17:47 |
| mfedosin | sudipto: v1 is under discussion | 17:48 |
| mfedosin | and currently there is no prototype | 17:48 |
| mfedosin | but we have unstable v0.1 api | 17:48 |
| sudipto | ok | 17:48 |
| nikhil | I guess the question is which prototype and the one which we want to work isn't ready yet :) | 17:48 |
| mfedosin | and you can play with it to see how things work | 17:48 |
| docaedo | I believe kzaitsev_mb is working on a prototype for the app catalog, he might have something people can poke at this week | 17:48 |
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| mfedosin | kzaitsev_mb works on the adapter between Glare and app catalog | 17:49 |
| mfedosin | as I mentioned v0.1 is merged and ready for usage | 17:50 |
| mfedosin | but we're going to evolve it to v1 | 17:50 |
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| sudipto | ok | 17:50 |
| mfedosin | which doesn't affect app catalog | 17:50 |
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| kairat | I guess latest bugs from kzaitsev_mb are related to trhis prototype | 17:51 |
| mfedosin | so, please leave your questions there | 17:51 |
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| mfedosin | kairat: I'll ask him tomorrow | 17:51 |
| mfedosin | next thing - I made an etherpad with Glare stable api draft | 17:52 |
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| mfedosin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glare-v1-api | 17:52 |
| mfedosin | it's a generalization of glance v2 api | 17:53 |
| mfedosin | and glance v2 api included there | 17:53 |
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| mfedosin | but there is only one special moment - in v2 api image becomes active right after file upload | 17:54 |
| mfedosin | we can't do it in Glare, because we support several blobs per artifact | 17:54 |
| mfedosin | that's why I suggest you a trick... | 17:54 |
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| mfedosin | in Images plugin there will be an option 'activate_on_upload' True by default | 17:55 |
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| mfedosin | if file was successfully uploaded then it immediately transfers status to 'active' for image | 17:56 |
| mfedosin | in other cases uses must explicitly call /actions/activate to make an artifact active | 17:57 |
| mfedosin | if this set of calls is okay for you then I'll start to write a full spec about Glare api | 17:58 |
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| docaedo | what's the difference between activate and reactivate? | 17:58 |
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| mfedosin | activate transfers artifact from queued to active | 17:59 |
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| mfedosin | and it's available for every user | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | reactivate may be available for admin only | 17:59 |
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| mfedosin | for example if someone publish malicoius artifact admin may want to deactivate it | 18:00 |
| docaedo | I guess I was thinking would only need deactivate and activate? | 18:00 |
| mfedosin | (remove from public) | 18:00 |
| mfedosin | I want that reactivate may be availabe for admin only | 18:00 |
| docaedo | but I guess in this case reactivate is the opposite of deactivate, and "activate" as you said is more about moving from queued to active | 18:00 |
| docaedo | makes sense to me | 18:01 |
| docaedo | thanks | 18:01 |
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| mfedosin | I'll describe it in FAQ | 18:01 |
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| mfedosin | okay, we are out of time | 18:01 |
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| mfedosin | thank you all for joining | 18:01 |
| docaedo | thank you! | 18:02 |
| nikhil | thanks | 18:02 |
| kairat | Thanks | 18:02 |
| sudipto | thanks! | 18:02 |
| mfedosin | #endmeeting | 18:02 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts_sub_team/2016/glance_artifacts_sub_team.2016-02-08-17.30.html | 18:02 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 8 19:00:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:00 |
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| pvaneck | o/ | 19:02 |
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| alexandrelevine | o/ | 19:03 |
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| catherineD | hi pvaneck: alexandrelevine: Let's waite for a couple more mins | 19:05 |
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| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-02-08 | 19:05 |
| rockyg | o/ | 19:06 |
| catherineD | rockyg: Hi | 19:06 |
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| catherineD | Let's start | 19:07 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-02-08 | 19:07 |
| catherineD | #topic Organization and product entities | 19:08 |
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| * rockyg waves | 19:08 | |
| catherineD | #link Implementation : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269066/ | 19:08 |
| catherineD | I really would like us to focus on review and merge this one ... | 19:09 |
| catherineD | #link Product type vs object type. Please see comments on line 68 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269066/22/refstack/api/constants.py | 19:09 |
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| catherineD | 3 options are suggested in the comments.... is there any other options? | 19:10 |
| alexandrelevine | My preference is type - product_type | 19:11 |
| alexandrelevine | option 1 | 19:11 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: thx | 19:11 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: rockyg: how about you? | 19:11 |
| rockyg | lemme do a quick review... | 19:11 |
| pvaneck | would product_type be a property or another column? | 19:12 |
| rockyg | I'm having a problem with my browser... | 19:12 |
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| catherineD | pvaneck: an other column .. | 19:13 |
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| catherineD | pvaneck: is there a way to represent the property without a column? | 19:13 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Yes. In the properties | 19:14 |
| catherineD | that bring us to the next discussuon ... a properties columns is added to the organization column is this for the product type? What else can be saved there? | 19:15 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: We can store there everything of not much importance which we won't require for indexing or fast search. In fact, with our small number of expected vendors it doesn't matter much. | 19:15 |
| pvaneck | do we plan on having different treatments based on product_type where quick lookups are necessary? or are product types just informational items that will be on the product page | 19:15 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: I explained. Each vendor in the marketplace has some descriptive and other fields and properties. We need to store them. | 19:16 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: They'll be asked during vendor registration. | 19:16 |
| rockyg | vendor specific metadata | 19:16 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: product type informatio will be on the product page ... and yes we may want to filter wit hit | 19:16 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Reviewed and approved by the Foundation. | 19:16 |
| catherineD | with it | 19:16 |
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| catherineD | rockyg: alexandrelevine: if it is vendor meta data and free form .. wouldn't using a meta table would be better? | 19:17 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: I believe we discussed it. My personal preference is not to spawn many tables. json in the same table will do just fine. | 19:18 |
| alexandrelevine | I even remember someone objecting against xml :) | 19:18 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: my issue is how do we parse the information in the properties column? | 19:19 |
| catherineD | but let's go back to product_type ... | 19:19 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: We load it and parse it as any other json. | 19:19 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: with any json it is good to have a schema | 19:19 |
| pvaneck | properties json will simply be displayed on a product page catherineD | 19:20 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: We can devise something very simple key-value-like. | 19:20 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: alexandrelevine: where do we save the product_type? | 19:20 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: If you want better modifiability in the future - in the properties. | 19:21 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: just want to confirm ... you are saying that we save the product_type property in the properties column | 19:21 |
| catherineD | as one of the element in the JSON | 19:21 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: If you want to do paging filtered by product types in the list of Vendors on the server - column. | 19:22 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Yes. | 19:22 |
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| pvaneck | If we plan on filtering based on these specific product types, then yea, better to be its own column | 19:22 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: we can filter vendor list request by product_type? | 19:22 |
| pvaneck | but if purely informational, then properties | 19:22 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: ++ | 19:22 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: We can do whatever we want :) | 19:23 |
| catherineD | that if we want to filter it is better with its own column | 19:23 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: sure that is why we discuss here on the best way to implement ... | 19:23 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Keep in mind that paging and filtering can be done in DB or in the code on the server. In the second case you don't need a column also. | 19:23 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Honestly, we're dealing with such small numbers of Vendors that I don't expect any problems whichever way we go. | 19:24 |
| catherineD | OK like anything there is always many ways to approach ... | 19:25 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Choose the approach you like :) | 19:25 |
| rockyg | I like separate column | 19:25 |
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| catherineD | I lkie separate column | 19:26 |
| catherineD | like :-) | 19:26 |
| alexandrelevine | separate column it is. | 19:26 |
| rockyg | Could get messy if OpenStack gets big and people get real creative ;-) | 19:26 |
| catherineD | I guess pvaneck: is OK with separate column ... | 19:26 |
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| pvaneck | sure | 19:26 |
| catherineD | great !! | 19:27 |
| catherineD | #topic Do we need the properties columns ? | 19:27 |
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| alexandrelevine | we do | 19:27 |
| catherineD | I guess it would not hurt .. so I don't mind ... but if we store JSON .. I would like us to have a schema defined ... | 19:28 |
| rockyg | yeah, I think so. | 19:28 |
| pvaneck | i thought just key value pairs in json was fine | 19:28 |
| alexandrelevine | See example page of one of the vendors: https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/public-clouds/cloud-and-heat-technologies/cloud-heat | 19:28 |
| catherineD | #ageed To add a product_type and properties columns to the organization table | 19:29 |
| alexandrelevine | It has "about", "commitment", "details" and some other stuff. | 19:29 |
| catherineD | hey we are doing good today ... | 19:29 |
| rockyg | ++ | 19:29 |
| catherineD | next product type names: | 19:29 |
| rockyg | separate names for distro and appliance. For display, we can always do an OR | 19:30 |
| catherineD | should match with OpenStack Marketplace | 19:30 |
| rockyg | Right now, appliances are kind of a step child. Not many left. But that will change as OpenStack gets more consistent | 19:31 |
| alexandrelevine | We should ask DefCore. But for speed sakes we can start with "distro", "public cloud", "hosted private cloud" (maybe just private cloud?) only. | 19:31 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: ++ | 19:31 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: I vote for hosted_private_cloud... | 19:32 |
| alexandrelevine | I don't mind. | 19:32 |
| catherineD | do we all agree for now product type are: distro, public_cloud, hosted_private_cloud (we can add appliance later)? | 19:33 |
| alexandrelevine | ++ | 19:33 |
| pvaneck | +1 | 19:33 |
| rockyg | ++ for hosted in front. wondering if we'll see private private cloud in future | 19:33 |
| catherineD | #agreed Product type names are distro, public_cloud, hosted_private_cloud (and may add appliance later) | 19:34 |
| catherineD | rockyg: +2 | 19:34 |
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| catherineD | so would all of the agreement here .. after andrey updates https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269066/ please give it a priority for review ... it would be good if we can merge it in the next 2 days | 19:35 |
| catherineD | thank you all! | 19:35 |
| rockyg | yay! | 19:36 |
| alexandrelevine | great | 19:36 |
| catherineD | #topic private_vendor vs pending_vendor. | 19:36 |
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| catherineD | alexandrelevine: private_vendor: can be create by any user. Do we still need the hidden vendor as described in the Ownership section on page 12 of the requiement document? | 19:36 |
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| alexandrelevine | Nothing to discuss here: hidden is private. The term is interchangeable. I just used it in the reqs doc to say that those are hidden vendors. | 19:37 |
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| alexandrelevine | Hidden in the doc meant exactly that - hidden. It's not good to use this term in the constants, though. That's why private. | 19:37 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: since user can create vendor , I would like for us not to automatically create a vendor | 19:38 |
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| catherineD | we require that a vendor has to be created before a product creation ... | 19:38 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: You'll complicate UI. | 19:38 |
| catherineD | how? | 19:38 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Better usability wouldn't require User to create something he doesn't care about. | 19:39 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: He doesn't need Vendor. He wants to test his Cloud, i.e. Product. | 19:39 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: I agree with the product has its own users | 19:39 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: I didn't understand what you just said. | 19:39 |
| catherineD | now with users at the vendor level ... wouldn't it be better for him to know where to add user for his vendor? | 19:40 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: I'm a user and I don't want to manage vendors or other users. I want to test my Cloud. | 19:40 |
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| catherineD | alexandrelevine: do you want someone else to see your result before you make it public? | 19:41 |
| alexandrelevine | Use-case 4 | 19:41 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: You'll create a screenshot and send it by email. | 19:42 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: there is no such use-case now. | 19:42 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: It's either private, i.e. yours only, or public. | 19:42 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: could we modify your use case ? that the user can share his/her data before making it public? | 19:42 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Not without several more use-cases and complications. Why? | 19:43 |
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| catherineD | my issue is your say private = yours only | 19:44 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: And we shouldn't modify it because it exists. It's the most easy-to-start use-case for any user. What you ask about is one of the variations which can exist but I don't see why we need it now. And definitely not instead. | 19:44 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Yes. That's how it works now. | 19:44 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Later, much later, when we get basic functionality and process feedback from users we'll see if we want to go that route to extend. | 19:45 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: Company ABC registers ... so a vendor is create of this vednor ABC... what is the type of this vendor? | 19:45 |
| catherineD | private? | 19:46 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: I didn't understand. | 19:46 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Company ABC registers what? | 19:46 |
| catherineD | Company ABC register itself as a vendor on RefStack | 19:46 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: When it registers a Vendor, i.e. uses the button Register, it becomes Pending. | 19:47 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: When it was just created, yes, it was Private. | 19:47 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: When Foundation approves it becomes Official and public. | 19:47 |
| catherineD | so when a vendor object is created it is of type private? | 19:48 |
| alexandrelevine | Of coures | 19:48 |
| alexandrelevine | of course | 19:48 |
| catherineD | how do you different this private vs the private vendor that was created automatically? | 19:48 |
| alexandrelevine | Ok, you're right. Let's add one more type then - personal? | 19:49 |
| rockyg | Good catch! | 19:49 |
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| alexandrelevine | Or really "hidden"? | 19:49 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: yea that is what I want to say | 19:49 |
| catherineD | so vendor type = offical, pending, private, personal? | 19:49 |
| catherineD | official | 19:50 |
| alexandrelevine | Or we can go a little different here. We can automatically create a private Vendor for User when he wants to add a Product. | 19:50 |
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| rockyg | I think Official/prending is separate from public/private | 19:51 |
| rockyg | You might want official+private | 19:51 |
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| alexandrelevine | Private->Pending->Official(if accepted) or Private(if declined) | 19:51 |
| catherineD | still go back to the question of how to differentiate if both automatically created vs someone created vendors if both are of type private | 19:51 |
| alexandrelevine | It's notseparate | 19:52 |
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| alexandrelevine | We don't differentiate in this case | 19:52 |
| alexandrelevine | User can create a Vendor manually or get a default automatically created one | 19:52 |
| catherineD | ok so on 'my vendor' UI, do we display all vendor including automatically created privated? | 19:53 |
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| alexandrelevine | In this case yes | 19:53 |
| alexandrelevine | It'll just have some predefined automatically generated name. Like "auto-created" or "default" | 19:53 |
| catherineD | how to go from private to pending ... | 19:53 |
| alexandrelevine | Push button "register" | 19:54 |
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| alexandrelevine | (or "apply" - whatever we name it) | 19:54 |
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| catherineD | so user can register an automatically created private vendor and make it pending? | 19:54 |
| catherineD | do we allow that? | 19:55 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: We can prevent it | 19:55 |
| catherineD | how to prevent? | 19:55 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Because we don't want Foundation to be spammed with "Default" Vendors. | 19:55 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Check for some meaningful name. | 19:55 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: wouldn't it be better to give it another type then check the name? | 19:55 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: If he cares to rename it and fill in all of the required "abouts" he can register, yes | 19:56 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Not really | 19:56 |
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| catherineD | why not? | 19:57 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Why do we care if it was created manually or automatically if everything was correctly prepared for registration afterwards? | 19:57 |
| * catherineD we only have 3 mins left ... | 19:57 | |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: We'll be checking saneness of the input before registration anyways. | 19:57 |
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| catherineD | alexandrelevine: i don't mind if that is what we allow ... I just want us to think thru the scenario | 19:58 |
| catherineD | I definitely do not want to check name | 19:58 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Thanks to you we just did. As far as we can now :) | 19:58 |
| catherineD | if I am going to check something make it obvious for the next code reader .. | 19:58 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: We'll have to check the name anyways. For allowed symbols and such. | 19:58 |
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| catherineD | we are about out of time ... | 19:59 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: We can leave it empty, for example. So it won't pass | 19:59 |
| catherineD | let's move to #refstack | 19:59 |
| catherineD | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 8 19:59:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-02-08-19.00.html | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-02-08-19.00.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-02-08-19.00.log.html | 19:59 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 8 20:01:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:01 |
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| edtubill | o/ | 20:01 |
| mp1 | o/ | 20:01 |
| diazjf | o/ | 20:01 |
| silos | \o/ | 20:01 |
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| rellerreller | o/ | 20:02 |
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| jhfeng | o/ | 20:02 |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:02 |
| jkf | o/ | 20:02 |
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| arunkant | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | quite a few barbicaneers here today | 20:03 |
| rm_work | o/ (semi-here) | 20:03 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | let's start with | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #topic Action Items | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | I really need to do a better job of following up with these | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to check on status of reported security bug | 20:04 |
| redrobot | so the bug is fixed with jkf 's pcks#11 changes that landed during the midcycle | 20:04 |
| maxabidi | o/ | 20:04 |
| redrobot | we still need to figure out what/how to backport it | 20:04 |
| panatl | o/ | 20:04 |
| redrobot | so if anyone wants to help let me know, otherwise I'm going to punt | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | #action redrobot to ping ccneill about the nova+cinder security bug | 20:05 |
| jkf | I believe the patch I sumitted with that applies to kilo. | 20:05 |
| redrobot | I don't actually remember what the nova+cinder bug was about ... :- \ | 20:05 |
| jkf | and maybe Juno, but needs to be tested. | 20:05 |
| redrobot | jkf cool! | 20:05 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to touch base with Designate folks | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | so I only kinda touched base through a proxy who said they said they were probably ok with waiting for the /sign functionality to land next cycle. | 20:06 |
| redrobot | I should probably go to the next designate IRC meeting and follow up there. | 20:07 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:07 |
| redrobot | #topic Liaison Updates | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | I missed the oslo meeting this morning, so no updates from me | 20:08 |
| redrobot | pdesai isn't here so I'll skip her. she's working on documentation updates with the docs team | 20:08 |
| redrobot | alee isn't here either, so no updates from Magnum | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | hockeynut any updates from QE land? | 20:09 |
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| hockeynut | redrobot nothing new sir | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | hockeynut awesome, thanks | 20:09 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:10 |
| redrobot | to today's agenda items | 20:10 |
| redrobot | #topic Add support for internal interface | 20:10 |
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| redrobot | So currently, and for as long as I can remember, Barbican has only ever had a single endpoint | 20:10 |
| redrobot | the host_href setting in the conf file controls that endpoint | 20:11 |
| redrobot | so that every URL provided in links as references all use the host_href setting | 20:11 |
| redrobot | There was a bug reported last week regarding the Version endpoint, which did not use the host_href setting | 20:12 |
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| redrobot | which led to a discussion by arunkant regarding the support of an "internal endpoint" which as I understand is a Keystone concept | 20:12 |
| redrobot | whereby the Keystone service is able to be accessed by both an internal and external endpoint, which can potentially have completely different URLs | 20:13 |
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| arunkant | redrobot: I have added related bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/barbican/+bug/1541118 | 20:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1541118 in Barbican "Barbican single host setting does not work with internal and public endpoints" [Undecided,New] | 20:13 |
| redrobot | arunkant thanks for the link | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | as I understand it, it is a requirement for HPE to be able to deploy barbican in a similar manner with support for an internal endpoint | 20:14 |
| redrobot | although I think this is more of a new feature than a bugfix, since the internal endpoint is not broken, per se, but rather we never implemented the ability to have more than one endpoint. | 20:15 |
| arunkant | redrobot: yes, its the same barbican instance. Differentiation is from client access pespectivve i.e. .just depends on which network/ interface, its accessed from i.e. internal or public | 20:15 |
| rellerreller | When you say internal what does that mean? Internal to what? | 20:15 |
| redrobot | rellerreller Internal, in this case is the classification that the Keystone catalog uses for endpoints which can only be accessed from within the control plane network | 20:16 |
| arunkant | rellerreller: internal means here..like other openstack services e.g. cinder which are deployed in same control plane | 20:16 |
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| rellerreller | Thanks! | 20:16 |
| jkf | How do other openstack components handle generating self-referential links? Most web apps that I know of tend to use the Host header to get the name that was used to call the service, instead if hard coding the hostname. | 20:17 |
| woodster_ | so the barbican controller would need to know what network the request came from, and then serve up HATEOAS links appropriate for those respective networks? | 20:17 |
| redrobot | woodster_ yes, that's the idea | 20:17 |
| arunkant | jkf: That's what was the way implemented on version controller side but not href side | 20:17 |
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| arunkant | jkf: last week, it was changed from using header, its using hard coded url in config. | 20:18 |
| redrobot | in the bugfix discussion for the Versions bug, arunkant pointed out that the way that the reference was being constructed (by looking into the request to retrieve the endpoint the request was originally intended for) was working for the HPE deployment | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | however, that will not work for all deployments. In the Rackspace deployment, for example, we use Docker containers to run the barbican API process. In this case, merely reflecting the URL that comes in from the request will not work | 20:19 |
| arunkant | redrobot: I am not talking about specific company. That's the way its being currently done in keystone as well. | 20:19 |
| redrobot | arunkant I'm only mentioning specific deployments here, because we need a solution that works for those | 20:20 |
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| redrobot | so, while it appears to arunkant that the way Versions endpoint was working was correct for him, it did not work for us | 20:21 |
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| woodster_ | so it seems if that href is specified in configs, then it is used as the ref host, otherwise it would be dynamically generated? | 20:21 |
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| woodster_ | arunkant: ...desired behavior that is | 20:21 |
| diazjf | maybe for a temporary fix we can have a switch in the conf that tells Barbican which url to use "from conf" or "from request" | 20:21 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ diazjf I think that to be able to arrive at a solution that works for both of these scenarios we should spec it out, instead of trying to guess the solution here. | 20:22 |
| panatl | yes diazjf | 20:22 |
| woodster_ | Perhaps just not specifying it would provide the dynamic behavior? | 20:22 |
| arunkant | diazjf: Yes..that's the discussion we had that last week | 20:22 |
| diazjf | redrobot, agreed, just thinking of a temp fix so hpe is happy until a spec is made :) | 20:23 |
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| arunkant | woodster_, keystone has something like this https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/common/wsgi.py#L371 | 20:24 |
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| redrobot | arunkant do you want to write a spec outlining the changes needed so that Barbican can also use that method of generating URLs ? | 20:25 |
| arunkant | So, bugfix can be around that change . | 20:25 |
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| redrobot | arunkant I'm not sure I understand your last statement... | 20:26 |
| redrobot | arunkant but yes, the goal is to be able to support an internal URL | 20:26 |
| arunkant | redrobot: I was thinking of implementing the way, its mentioned in above link. I am not sure how soon spec approval is going to be. | 20:26 |
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| redrobot | spec approval has been rather slow... :( ... doesn't mean we should stop writing specs though | 20:27 |
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| arunkant | redrobot: I am not sure change like need a spec. I can write details in implementation. | 20:29 |
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| arunkant | redrobot: will that work ? | 20:30 |
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| redrobot | arunkant I feel like this is not just a bugfix for the reasons I explained above | 20:30 |
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| redrobot | arunkant but if you really don't want to write a spec, I suppose an implementation will have to do. | 20:31 |
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| arunkant | redrobot: okay. I will clarify whatever aspect needs to be covered in commit comments. | 20:32 |
| arunkant | redorobot: that's it about this topic from my side. | 20:33 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:33 |
| redrobot | #topic Setup a Barbican Guild meeting | 20:33 |
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| redrobot | diazjf ping | 20:34 |
| diazjf | redrobot, so silos, edtubill_ and I have a bunch of code we want to get into Mitaka, so far its going pretty well :) | 20:34 |
| diazjf | We wanted to head over to San Antonio sometime next week and get feedback so we have time to get everything in before code freeze | 20:35 |
| redrobot | diazjf let me check with the boss for a good day y'all could come down | 20:35 |
| diazjf | redrobot, awesome! yeah let me know | 20:36 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to ask the rackspace overlords for a time to get the guild together | 20:36 |
| redrobot | diazjf sounds good | 20:36 |
| jhfeng | redrobot: code freeze date for Mitaka is on 3/4, right ? | 20:36 |
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| redrobot | jhfeng correct | 20:36 |
| jhfeng | thx | 20:36 |
| redrobot | jhfeng http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/schedule.html | 20:37 |
| redrobot | jhfeng ideally it would be on March 1 | 20:37 |
| diazjf | redrobot, we are making good progress so far! | 20:37 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:38 |
| redrobot | #topic KMIP Key Manager for Castellan | 20:38 |
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| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246546/ | 20:38 |
| silos | \o/ | 20:38 |
| redrobot | silos go ahead | 20:38 |
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| silos | I'm trying to get this into Mitaka. I just wanted to put out a reminder of some specs are still pending including this one. | 20:39 |
| redrobot | silos do you need it for some other project to use in Mitaka? | 20:39 |
| redrobot | silos because Castellan does not follow the release cycle | 20:39 |
| silos | ah yea. I keep forgetting. No no dependency. | 20:40 |
| rellerreller | silos I can review. Keep pinging me. | 20:40 |
| silos | rellerreller: thanks. | 20:40 |
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| kfarr | silos, same | 20:40 |
| redrobot | awesome, thanks kfarr and rellerreller ! | 20:41 |
| silos | kfarr: thanks. | 20:41 |
| redrobot | silos anything else on this topic? | 20:41 |
| silos | nope. | 20:41 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:41 |
| redrobot | #topic Required configuration options without a default value | 20:41 |
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| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273863/ | 20:41 |
| redrobot | rellerreller | 20:41 |
| rellerreller | Yes, we had a question come up about this code. | 20:42 |
| rellerreller | There is a configuration option that is mandatory, but it provides no default. | 20:42 |
| diazjf | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273863/8/castellan/common/utils.py line 35 | 20:42 |
| rellerreller | Should we specify a default or is it ok to force deployer to choose. | 20:42 |
| rellerreller | If nothing is set in conf file then exception will be raised. | 20:42 |
| rellerreller | We are wondering what the precedent is for this scenario. | 20:43 |
| rellerreller | If there is precendent. | 20:43 |
| rellerreller | So the question is, "should we provide a default?" | 20:43 |
| arunkant | is it any different from kmip_plugin setting in barbican.conf ? | 20:44 |
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| arunkant | error will be raised if kmip_plugin is selected but not configured. | 20:45 |
| redrobot | I think that, as long as the error makes it obvious as to why it's happening, then we should be ok? | 20:45 |
| rellerreller | This is a top-level configuration option whereas the KMIP section is only active if the secret store type is KMIP. | 20:45 |
| rellerreller | It is a good point. | 20:45 |
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| * redrobot is not an oslo.conf expert | 20:45 | |
| kfarr | rellerreller, diazjf, I think having to specify a value there will make integration more difficult | 20:46 |
| rellerreller | That's fine with us. That's what we had, but I was not sure if OpenStack rules specified that things must work out of the box. | 20:46 |
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| diazjf | redrobot, rellerreller, I'm thinking an error should be thrown specifing the appropriate types. kfarr, I don't think defaulting any auth_type would work since the rest of the variables are specific to the auth_type. | 20:47 |
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| diazjf | kfarr, like if we set it always to be token, we need to make sure the token is also passed. | 20:48 |
| diazjf | kfarr, but I see what you mean, so to not break anything we should just pass the oslo.context object | 20:48 |
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| rellerreller | That's true, but it is likely to be the most used option. | 20:48 |
| diazjf | by default | 20:48 |
| kfarr | diazjf, I think the factory logic could be modified, so that if you pass in a context object, it will always return a KeystoneToken credential that pulled the values from the context object | 20:49 |
| kfarr | and if you only pass in a conf object, then you'd look at what auth type is set, then make sure the appropriate conf values are there | 20:49 |
| kfarr | what do you think? | 20:49 |
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| rellerreller | kfarr the problem is that it is tough to override that. The calling code must now decide what to do. | 20:50 |
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| rellerreller | Whereas this approach allows the configuration option to choose it and reuse code. | 20:50 |
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| diazjf | kfarr, I'm thinking about it. I'm going to setup a POC with swift encryption and checkout how the flow works and get jrichli to review it | 20:51 |
| rellerreller | Otherwise the other services will all have common code that says if auth type is context then send it, else do not. | 20:51 |
| rellerreller | So redrobot the answer seems that it does not matter? | 20:51 |
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| rellerreller | We can debate the rest of this on the code review or in chat if there are other topics. | 20:52 |
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| diazjf | rellerreller, sounds good. Thanks for adding this to the agenda | 20:52 |
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| redrobot | I think I'm missing more context to have a good answer... I recall we were aiming to just have client code (eg swift code) just pass the CONF object to Castellan (probably during instantiation) and Castellan would know what to look for, and instantiate the right auth based on what it finds in the CONF ? | 20:53 |
| rellerreller | I personally don't care too much one way or the other. I think we should just pick one way or the other by COB tomorrow (or pick some other date) and go with it. | 20:53 |
| rellerreller | redrobot that is correct. The issue is whether or not the correct auth type must have a default in the code if none is found in the conf. | 20:54 |
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| diazjf | I vote no default, but we can hash it out in the reviews | 20:55 |
| redrobot | rellerreller ah, I see... I would think no default seems like a good option. | 20:55 |
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| redrobot | better to fail early than to use the wrong auth methinks | 20:56 |
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| rellerreller | I'm ok with that. | 20:56 |
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| redrobot | +1 ship it! | 20:56 |
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| redrobot | okay, sounds like we're done here for the day. | 20:57 |
| redrobot | thanks everyone! | 20:57 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 8 20:57:30 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:57 |
| diazjf | thanks redrobot | 20:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-02-08-20.01.html | 20:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-02-08-20.01.txt | 20:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-02-08-20.01.log.html | 20:57 |
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| rockyg | o/ | 21:00 |
| cloudrancher | Don't think Shamail is on yet | 21:00 |
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| shamail | I am | 21:01 |
| barrett1 | hi rocky | 21:01 |
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| shamail | barrett1, is here too | 21:01 |
| MeganR | Hi | 21:01 |
| pchadwick | o/ | 21:01 |
| barrett1 | #startmeeting product working group | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 8 21:01:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is barrett1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: product working group)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:01 |
| thingee | o/ | 21:01 |
| rockyg | hey all! | 21:01 |
| cloudrancher | o/ | 21:01 |
| shamail | Hi everyone! | 21:01 |
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| leong_ | hi all | 21:01 |
| leong_ | o/ | 21:01 |
| pchadwick | Hello | 21:01 |
| piet | o/ | 21:01 |
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| rockyg | lots of suff on dev mailing list we need to follow | 21:01 |
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| barrett1 | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:01 |
| barrett1 | Here's the agenda for today | 21:02 |
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| barrett1 | Rockyg: Can you hold that til the opens? | 21:02 |
| rockyg | yup | 21:02 |
| barrett1 | Want to hear more about what you think we should be aware of. | 21:02 |
| barrett1 | thanks | 21:02 |
| barrett1 | OK - let's start with action items from last meeting | 21:02 |
| barrett1 | #topic action item review | 21:03 |
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| barrett1 | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-02-01-21.00.html | 21:03 |
| barrett1 | Leong: Are you here? | 21:03 |
| leong_ | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/FrequentlyAskedQuestions | 21:03 |
| leong_ | I have updated the FAQ | 21:03 |
| barrett1 | Excellent - thanks! | 21:03 |
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| leong_ | It is under the question: "How Product Working Group collaborate with OpenStack Project team?" | 21:03 |
| rockyg | ++ | 21:04 |
| kencjohnston | o/ | 21:04 |
| * kencjohnston is only half here, I'm on another call that is running long. Apologies. | 21:04 | |
| barrett1 | Thanks Kenny | 21:04 |
| thingee | you can see the diff of leong_'s work here https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=ProductTeam%2FFrequentlyAskedQuestions&diff=102746&oldid=102039 | 21:04 |
| shamail | looks great leong_ | 21:04 |
| nateziemann | hi everyone, Nate's here | 21:05 |
| shamail | hi nateziemann | 21:05 |
| barrett1 | If folks have feedback pls send it to Leong. | 21:05 |
| barrett1 | Let's move to the next one. | 21:05 |
| thingee | leong_: is this going into http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-user-stories/workflow/workflow.html ... which relates | 21:05 |
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| barrett1 | Shamail - can you give us an update? | 21:05 |
| shamail | I only had one item (to update wiki to reflect workflow discussion) but I think it was overidden by our decision to discuss workflow further at mid-cycle. I'l be glad to update the workflow on wiki after we have that discussion next week. | 21:05 |
| thingee | would probably be good not to have this information in multiple places. risk one becoming of outdated. | 21:05 |
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| shamail | I think once we discuss the various topics related to workflow we can update wiki/repo. | 21:06 |
| rockyg | ++ | 21:06 |
| thingee | shamail: +1 | 21:06 |
| leong_ | we might want to add a link from the FAQ to point to workflow? | 21:06 |
| barrett1 | Sounds good - we'll move your action Shamail to after the midcycle. | 21:06 |
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| pchadwick | leong - makes sense | 21:06 |
| barrett1 | #action shamail to complete update of work flow after midcycle discussion | 21:06 |
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| shamail | leong_: +1 and also make sure that the summary and what's documented in repo don't conflict | 21:06 |
| thingee | shamail: in theory though, leong_ could propose it to the repo workflow document and we can discuss it in gerrit, since that's what it's there for ;) | 21:06 |
| barrett1 | leong: +1 | 21:06 |
| thingee | shamail: just no one should approve it right away so we can discuss the review first! | 21:07 |
| shamail | thingee: agreed | 21:07 |
| barrett1 | Next Action item was for me to add work flow to midcycle agenda: That's one. | 21:07 |
| barrett1 | fone | 21:07 |
| thingee | leong_: +1 | 21:07 |
| barrett1 | done (oops) | 21:07 |
| rockyg | Someone went to a superbowl party..... | 21:08 |
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| barrett1 | LOL | 21:08 |
| barrett1 | (but true) | 21:08 |
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| barrett1 | Kencjohnston: Can you give an update on the next 2? Or do you want us to come back to that later? | 21:08 |
| barrett1 | Hi hughhalf | 21:08 |
| shamail | hi hughhalf | 21:08 |
| hughhalf | kencjohnston might be stuck on same call I am | 21:08 |
| barrett1 | hughhalf: OK, let's come back to those action items when you all are done with the call - pls signal when you're ready | 21:09 |
| kencjohnston | barrett1 can we come back, sorry. | 21:09 |
| barrett1 | kencjohnston: NP | 21:09 |
| barrett1 | #topic Product WG Midcycle Agenda Review | 21:09 |
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| hughhalf | barrett1 will do - pretty close to done | 21:09 |
| barrett1 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG-LON16-MidCycle | 21:10 |
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| barrett1 | Shamail and I did a review of the etherpad with proposals and created the agenda at the bottom of the etherpad from that. | 21:10 |
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| barrett1 | You'll see days, times and topic leaders in the agenda - pls look over, you may find your name! | 21:11 |
| barrett1 | It's an action packed agenda, but seems doable. | 21:11 |
| barrett1 | Comments? | 21:11 |
| * kencjohnston is here now. | 21:11 | |
| * hughhalf is also | 21:11 | |
| barrett1 | kencjohnston: let's finish the agenda review, then go back to action items. | 21:11 |
| * kencjohnston nods. | 21:12 | |
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| kencjohnston | barrett1 I have no comments on the Agenda, looks good. | 21:12 |
| barrett1 | Shamail: We need to figure out what time we need to catch a train on the 18th to make it to the Midcycle in London. | 21:12 |
| barrett1 | thanks kencjohnston | 21:13 |
| shamail | Yes, I will update that info tonight | 21:13 |
| barrett1 | thanks | 21:13 |
| shamail | user meetup* | 21:13 |
| rockyg | There are at least 4 of us heading down that night. | 21:13 |
| shamail | This is for Thursday evening | 21:13 |
| pchadwick | No comments on the agenda - looks good | 21:13 |
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| barrett1 | shamail: yes | 21:13 |
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| leong_ | agenda looks good to me | 21:13 |
| rockyg | OOps. Sorry. | 21:13 |
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| cloudrancher | Was there going to be a conference line for the stuck at home folks? | 21:14 |
| barrett1 | cloudrancher: good question | 21:14 |
| barrett1 | kencjohnston: Is that something that can be arranged? | 21:14 |
| kencjohnston | barrett1 cloudrancher yep I'll add that details to the Etherpad. | 21:14 |
| kencjohnston | We will have a conference phone in the room. | 21:15 |
| cloudrancher | Thanks! | 21:15 |
| barrett1 | Excellent - Thanks | 21:15 |
| shamail | that's great news kencjohnston | 21:15 |
| leong_ | kencjohnston: also for the Enterprise WG Friday | 21:15 |
| barrett1 | OK - let's go with this as our plan and we'll tweak as needed during the 2 days. | 21:15 |
| kencjohnston | barrett1 can you mark the action for me? | 21:15 |
| kencjohnston | leong_ correct, I'll get with you offline about that. | 21:15 |
| leong_ | thanks! | 21:15 |
| barrett1 | #action Kencjohston post a bridge for the Product and Enterprise Mid-cycles for people to call into | 21:15 |
| pchadwick | I thought there was a suggestion to try and use Google Hangouts | 21:16 |
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| pchadwick | Did we decide against that: | 21:16 |
| barrett1 | For folks who will be at the mid cycle, pls take a few mins and prep for the prioritiy/focus topic. | 21:16 |
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| leong_ | ok carol | 21:16 |
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| thingee | pchadwick: the problem with hangouts is there is a limit on attendees (still I believe) and it excludes those who don't have access to google from their country. | 21:17 |
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| shamail | thingee: limit still exists (unless you do an "on-air" hangout) | 21:17 |
| leong_ | if i'm not wrong the limit (for free account) is 10 | 21:17 |
| pchadwick | OK | 21:17 |
| kencjohnston | thingee pchadwick - There is an option to use Rackspace's internal video chat system while at our office. | 21:17 |
| kencjohnston | It's called Vidyo | 21:18 |
| kencjohnston | naturally. | 21:18 |
| barrett1 | of course... | 21:18 |
| shamail | naturally. | 21:18 |
| kencjohnston | I can set that up if folks will utilize it | 21:18 |
| pchadwick | I will be there, so defer to those who won't | 21:18 |
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| barrett1 | Show of hands from folks who won't be able to attend in person - would you use the messaging system? | 21:19 |
| cloudrancher | Voice is all i'm after | 21:19 |
| leong_ | my suggestion is "etherpad" + "voice" | 21:19 |
| KrishR | i can use vidyo | 21:19 |
| barrett1 | leong +1 | 21:19 |
| leong_ | unless you all want to see our face :-) | 21:19 |
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| thingee | yes etherpad to conference call is all you should need. I'm not that pretty to look at over vidyo. | 21:20 |
| hughhalf | ehterpad+ voice works for me as would vidyo. I think etherpad + voice is best bet though | 21:20 |
| barrett1 | Let's go with that for this round. | 21:20 |
| leong_ | barrett1 +1 | 21:20 |
| kencjohnston | barrett1 ok I'll make sure we have voice setup. | 21:20 |
| cloudrancher | +1 | 21:20 |
| barrett1 | #decision use voice + etherpad to include non-travelers in our mid-cycle | 21:20 |
| shamail | is it called audiyo? | 21:20 |
| kencjohnston | shamail ha | 21:21 |
| barrett1 | OK - let's move on. | 21:21 |
| barrett1 | #topic London Meetup | 21:21 |
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| barrett1 | Nate: Can you cover this one? | 21:21 |
| shamail | ping nateziemann | 21:21 |
| nateziemann | hi everyone | 21:21 |
| shamail | hi | 21:21 |
| nateziemann | I have a draft agenda for discussion w/ the group. seeking volunteers to speak at differnet sections | 21:21 |
| barrett1 | #link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B43pcRkOVMWCSFRFa1UxQU94OGs/view | 21:22 |
| barrett1 | nateziemann: I'll do the Intro if you want | 21:22 |
| kencjohnston | nateziemann I can cover one of the userstories, Rolling Upgrades | 21:22 |
| shamail | I can help w/ roadmap | 21:22 |
| nateziemann | thanks barrett1 | 21:22 |
| pchadwick | This is for the 18th? | 21:22 |
| shamail | yes | 21:22 |
| shamail | 6:30-??? | 21:22 |
| kencjohnston | pchadwick evening of | 21:22 |
| shamail | 6:30PM* | 21:22 |
| leong_ | do we want to also include this "London Meetup" in the PWG etherpad.. so that people can find the info easily, maybe the very last section? | 21:23 |
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| pchadwick | OK - I will not be able to attend as I have to fly out for a customer meeting | 21:23 |
| nateziemann | in the midcycle etherpad? | 21:23 |
| shamail | #link http://www.meetup.com/Openstack-London/events/228549481/ | 21:23 |
| shamail | leong_: +1 | 21:23 |
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| kencjohnston | shamail leong_ adding now. | 21:23 |
| leong_ | cool! | 21:24 |
| shamail | thanks | 21:24 |
| nateziemann | thnx | 21:24 |
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| shamail | Do you have enough volunteers nateziemann? | 21:24 |
| nateziemann | ok, so we have one user story selected. I propose we try and cover two. suggestions for a 2nd? | 21:24 |
| kencjohnston | nateziemann I'm happy to cover two | 21:24 |
| kencjohnston | But I'd be subing in for a user story owner | 21:24 |
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| shamail | I think with the people attending... maybe lifecycle management or vm ha? | 21:24 |
| kencjohnston | Any other user story owners planning on being at the meetup? | 21:25 |
| shamail | I'd be glad to help as well (not an owner though) | 21:25 |
| kencjohnston | leong_ are you able to attend? | 21:25 |
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| leong_ | i will | 21:25 |
| shamail | thats why I suggested vm ha :) | 21:25 |
| leong_ | i can present HA VM if needed | 21:25 |
| shamail | leong_: +1 | 21:25 |
| nateziemann | for each user story, I would like one person to create a few slides, present and try to get some good feedback going in the room. | 21:26 |
| shamail | it's light on details but would be good to gauge importance and whether openstack itself needs to present a solution to the issue | 21:26 |
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| leong_ | nateziemann, kencjohnston, let's work offline for the slides? | 21:26 |
| nateziemann | so it sounds like Kenny for Rolling Upgrades. and Leong_ for HA VM. | 21:26 |
| kencjohnston | leong_ sounds good. Want to start a GoogleDoc? | 21:26 |
| kencjohnston | nateziemann +1 | 21:27 |
| leong_ | i like google doc :) | 21:27 |
| nateziemann | does someone want to partner up w/ me on the roadmap topic? | 21:27 |
| kencjohnston | s/doc/presentation | 21:27 |
| leong_ | Google Slide (to be specific) : | 21:27 |
| barrett1 | #action Kencjohnston prep slides for Upgrades User Story for London Meetup | 21:27 |
| barrett1 | #action leong prep slides for HA VM User Story for London Meetup | 21:27 |
| leong_ | nateziemann do we want to add into your existing Google Slide? | 21:27 |
| kencjohnston | nateziemann I thought I heard shamail agree to do the roadmap. | 21:28 |
| nateziemann | either way. I have an existing draft PPTX all ready that includes the rest of the 1 hour agenda. | 21:28 |
| shamail | I added speaker details to etherpad for the user meetup | 21:28 |
| shamail | yes, please add me to roadmap nateziemann | 21:28 |
| leong_ | let's ping offline.. my email is yihleong@gmail.com, i don't think i have your email | 21:28 |
| nateziemann | ok, have shamail for roadmap with me. | 21:29 |
| shamail | Thanks | 21:29 |
| nateziemann | it would be nice to have a list of everyone who's going to attend. I'll update the overview slide listing attendees from PWG. | 21:29 |
| shamail | nateziemann: +1 | 21:29 |
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| MeganR | @nateziemann: I am planning to attend, if you need additional help | 21:30 |
| pchadwick | shamail: I will help with the roadmap slides since I submitted that for the summit. | 21:30 |
| nateziemann | can we use our midcycle etherpad planning page? | 21:30 |
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| barrett1 | nateziemann?: +1 | 21:30 |
| shamail | Sounds good pchadwick | 21:30 |
| shamail | nateziemann, please replace me with pchadwick | 21:30 |
| nateziemann | will do. | 21:30 |
| nateziemann | pchadwick, will you be at the ops summit? | 21:30 |
| pchadwick | Yes, but not the meet-up | 21:30 |
| leong_ | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG-LON16-MidCycle line 112 | 21:31 |
| leong_ | nateziemann https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG-LON16-MidCycle line 112 | 21:31 |
| nateziemann | i'm confused, we are talking about the meetup | 21:31 |
| barrett1 | nateziemann: what are you confused about? | 21:31 |
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| barrett1 | yes, we are talking about the London Meetup | 21:32 |
| nateziemann | need to select one additional speaker for the london meetup for Roadmap. pchadwick or shamail | 21:32 |
| shamail | pchadwick, the roadmap topic was for Thursday evening | 21:32 |
| pchadwick | Ah - yes - I can help pull the slides together, but will not be at the meet-up | 21:32 |
| nateziemann | I already have the slides for roadmap put together. | 21:32 |
| shamail | Thanks, i'll re-add myself as co-presenter then | 21:32 |
| barrett1 | sounds like pchadwick is off the hook this time! | 21:32 |
| nateziemann | based on the Tokyo charts. | 21:32 |
| pchadwick | OK - misunderstood | 21:33 |
| shamail | pchadwick, barrett1: for now... the roadmap refresh is coming soon :) | 21:33 |
| barrett1 | Anything else nateziemann? | 21:33 |
| nateziemann | ok, I think we are done. any other suggestions on the agenda? | 21:33 |
| barrett1 | I think the agenda is good - like leaving time for Q&A/discussion | 21:33 |
| kencjohnston | nope looks great nateziemann thanks for organizing and inviting us | 21:33 |
| nateziemann | lets cross our fingers for a great turnout. I saw 50+ sign up already. | 21:34 |
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| nateziemann | back to you barrett1 | 21:34 |
| barrett1 | Let's go back to the action items - Kencjohnston | 21:34 |
| barrett1 | #topic Action Items - Part 2 | 21:34 |
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| kencjohnston | what was my action again? | 21:34 |
| barrett1 | kencjohnston: over to you | 21:34 |
| * kencjohnston scrabbles to find the link for action items from last meeting | 21:35 | |
| barrett1 | The 1st was to delete/repost Upgrade user story | 21:35 |
| barrett1 | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-02-01-21.00.html | 21:35 |
| barrett1 | The 2nd was to send the call for reviews | 21:35 |
| kencjohnston | barrett1 Yep, completed the delete which was merged, and sent a note to dev list for reviews | 21:35 |
| kencjohnston | barrett1 I also added the identified CPLs to the review | 21:35 |
| shamail | and you certainly got reviews kencjohnston :) | 21:35 |
| kencjohnston | Gotten great feedback, on the second interation. | 21:36 |
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| kencjohnston | I have a new patch in the works, will be submitted this evening. | 21:36 |
| barrett1 | Good to hear. | 21:36 |
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| kencjohnston | barrett1 Even got some feedback from Operators, which was cool. | 21:36 |
| barrett1 | That's fabulous! | 21:36 |
| barrett1 | Any add'l outreach for feedback needed? | 21:36 |
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| kencjohnston | barrett1 no other than the regular call of pointing any developers working on rolling upgrades within your organization to look at it and provide commentary | 21:37 |
| kencjohnston | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274969/ | 21:37 |
| barrett1 | kencjohnston: anything else? | 21:38 |
| kencjohnston | barrett1 nope, thanks | 21:38 |
| barrett1 | Thanks | 21:38 |
| barrett1 | moving on | 21:38 |
| barrett1 | #topic Ops Summit Participation Plan | 21:38 |
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| barrett1 | Hopefully everyone has seen the latest info on the agenda and sessions where moderators are needed | 21:38 |
| barrett1 | if you haven't pls raise your hand and will forward | 21:39 |
| pchadwick | Raises hand | 21:40 |
| shamail | barrett1: I volunteered to help moderator the "writing user stories" and "Tokyo Highlights" | 21:40 |
| shamail | moderate* | 21:40 |
| kencjohnston | barrett1 and I'm moderating Top 10 Bugs / Feature Requests | 21:40 |
| MeganR | barrett1: pls forward to me as well | 21:40 |
| nateziemann | pls forward to me as well. | 21:41 |
| kencjohnston | I think it was only sent to those who are moderating sessions. | 21:41 |
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| shamail | kencjohnston: +1 | 21:41 |
| barrett1 | email forwarded, pls respond to Matt if you can cover any of the open sessions. | 21:41 |
| shamail | there was also a general email on ops too | 21:41 |
| barrett1 | Any questions or comments on this? | 21:42 |
| barrett1 | If not we'll move along - 2 topics and 18 mins to go..... | 21:42 |
| barrett1 | #topic Review Open Commits | 21:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Open Commits (Meeting topic: product working group)" | 21:42 | |
| barrett1 | Shamail - Pls take this one | 21:43 |
| shamail | sure. | 21:43 |
| shamail | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/openstack-user-stories+status:open | 21:43 |
| kencjohnston | shamail just cleared outa couple of items | 21:43 |
| kencjohnston | shamail thank you sir. | 21:43 |
| shamail | We have 5 items for review | 21:43 |
| shamail | sorry for the delay kencjohnston | 21:43 |
| shamail | #link https://review.openstack.org/265998 | 21:43 |
| leong_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276933/ - stable branch support - need review | 21:43 |
| shamail | Is the review to merge the tracker template | 21:43 |
| shamail | and already has a +2 | 21:44 |
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| shamail | https://review.openstack.org/274969 is the rolling upgrade user story | 21:44 |
| shamail | This one needs reviews from everyone that kencjohnston mentioned... but we won't +2 it until the dust settles | 21:44 |
| kencjohnston | shamail agreed | 21:44 |
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| kencjohnston | https://review.openstack.org/253228 is work in progress so is exempt | 21:45 |
| shamail | The remaining three: https://review.openstack.org/276933, https://review.openstack.org/276596, https://review.openstack.org/253228 need reviews from team | 21:45 |
| leong_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276933/ - stable branch support - need review | 21:45 |
| shamail | good point kencjohnston | 21:45 |
| shamail | so just https://review.openstack.org/276933, https://review.openstack.org/253228 | 21:45 |
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| shamail | Please review those when you have time | 21:46 |
| kencjohnston | leong_ I added some comments to stable branch support which weren't covered in the next patch | 21:46 |
| barrett1 | shamail: this week? | 21:46 |
| leong_ | ping annilai pls review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276933/ | 21:46 |
| shamail | I suggest adding a calendar entry as a weekly reminder to spend 30 minutes looking at commits :) | 21:46 |
| barrett1 | shamail: +1 | 21:46 |
| kencjohnston | shamail I'd like to make sure we have more than just you and I doing regular reviews. | 21:46 |
| cloudrancher | shamail +1 | 21:46 |
| leong_ | saw that kencjohnston.. i need help from anni and rock on that | 21:46 |
| shamail | exactly kencjohnston | 21:46 |
| kencjohnston | Does anyone else consider themselves a regular reviewer? | 21:46 |
| shamail | leong_ is pretty active too | 21:46 |
| rockyg | Im trying to get back into it | 21:47 |
| leong_ | i volunter myself :) | 21:47 |
| kencjohnston | Even if you aren't core we can still use more review, I've found myself missing things on reviews that would have benefitted from a larger reviewing community | 21:47 |
| barrett1 | I'm getting spun back up and will be more timely moving forward | 21:47 |
| shamail | This is one of the topics at the mid-cycle, but yes, we need to get more reviews going.. | 21:47 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: +1 | 21:47 |
| pchadwick | guilty - need to start | 21:47 |
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| annilai | I can help review too | 21:47 |
| shamail | barrett1: I'd like for a core to at least look at https://review.openstack.org/265998 this week, it needs one more core reviewer at a minimum | 21:48 |
| shamail | Thanks everyone! | 21:48 |
| kencjohnston | shamail ok, didn't meant o jump the gun. Not complaining, but I think if we are depending 50% on my ability to review we are in a sad state :) | 21:48 |
| shamail | Look forward to your +s and -s | 21:48 |
| barrett1 | We've got to make it a team effort. | 21:48 |
| barrett1 | Thanks Shamail | 21:48 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: I completely understand... I think this is a good way for our WG to conduct discussions and stay updated | 21:48 |
| shamail | Thanks barrett1, that's all for now... we can discuss further next week! | 21:49 |
| barrett1 | #topic Opens | 21:49 |
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| shamail | I have a small open | 21:49 |
| barrett1 | RockyG: Do you want to start off? | 21:49 |
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| barrett1 | ping rockyg | 21:50 |
| barrett1 | Shamail: Go ahead while rockyg gets back to us | 21:50 |
| shamail | I have registered #openstack-product and submitted patches to update the relevant bot config files... Please start idling there when you are on IRC. :-) | 21:50 |
| rockyg | o/ | 21:50 |
| shamail | The channel also shows repo activity so it will give a reminder to go review things :) | 21:50 |
| rockyg | couple of things.... | 21:50 |
| shamail | That's all | 21:51 |
| barrett1 | Shamail: That's great - Thanks!! Can you add that to our wiki page too? | 21:51 |
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| kencjohnston | shamail nice work, thanks! | 21:51 |
| shamail | Will do barrett1 | 21:51 |
| rockyg | what is core? | 21:51 |
| barrett1 | ? | 21:51 |
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| rockyg | and names vs. services | 21:51 |
| shamail | barrett1: rockyg is listing out some interesting topics in mailing lists this week | 21:51 |
| rockyg | so, there is a shakeout with big tent | 21:51 |
| rockyg | leading to discussion on what is core | 21:52 |
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| barrett1 | rockyg: is that the same as OpenCore? | 21:52 |
| kencjohnston | rockyg I've been following, could you provide links for those who haven't? | 21:52 |
| pchadwick | Is this an extension of DefCore or a debate about DefCore? | 21:52 |
| shamail | mainly whether our projects can require items to implement that are not free. | 21:52 |
| rockyg | and now also splitting the summit ansd design summit | 21:52 |
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| shamail | Poppy came up as the example. | 21:53 |
| kencjohnston | pchadwick not DefCore related. | 21:53 |
| leong_ | u mean what project should be considered "core" openstack ? | 21:53 |
| rockyg | I'd love to, but my puter is being difficult | 21:53 |
| kencjohnston | pchadwick questions about adding projects that require commercial services in order to be tested. | 21:53 |
| shamail | I'll try to find it | 21:53 |
| kencjohnston | as well as a general discussion about our "no open core" stance. | 21:54 |
| thingee | for those that are curious about what rockyg is talking about and if you don't have time to keep up with the developer mailing list I recommend reading the dev digest that's posted weekly to the OpenStack blog | 21:54 |
| thingee | http://www.openstack.org/blog/2016/02/openstack-developer-mailing-list-digest-20160205/ | 21:54 |
| shamail | leong_, rockyg: I believe this related to revisiting no open core | 21:54 |
| pchadwick | kencjohnston: Services but not code?? | 21:54 |
| * hughhalf picked up some of these in Lwood - the summit one is likely to be long running I suspect | 21:54 | |
| thingee | I summarize things the best I can on these digests | 21:54 |
| kencjohnston | thingee +1 | 21:54 |
| shamail | thanks thingee | 21:54 |
| hughhalf | +1 thingee | 21:54 |
| kencjohnston | pchadwick yes | 21:54 |
| leong_ | thanks thingee | 21:54 |
| thingee | if anyone has questions on those things, let me know since I'm active in all the discussions. | 21:54 |
| * hughhalf provides a similar thing here but not as comprehensive as thingee http://hugh.blemings.id.au/openstack/lwood/ | 21:54 | |
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| thingee | yes http://hugh.blemings.id.au/openstack/lwood/ compliments things well from the feedback I gathered on the ops list. | 21:55 |
| hughhalf | thanks thingee :) | 21:56 |
| shamail | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/085748.html (this is the other topic rockyg mentioned) | 21:56 |
| thingee | but there are currently issues on where we stand with open core in OpenStack. Also we have an issue being raised with competing projects and how we handle their APIs since they conflict. | 21:56 |
| thingee | also the open core discussion http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/085855.html | 21:57 |
| barrett1 | thingee: is there a link to that thread you can post? | 21:57 |
| barrett1 | thingee: Referring to conflicting projects/APIs | 21:57 |
| barrett1 | Rockyg: Is there a discussion you want to have or a call to action on these? | 21:57 |
| pchadwick | thingee: How will the OpenCore question get resolved? At the board level? | 21:57 |
| thingee | barrett1: sure, it was raised when someone announced another backup project ekko http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/084739.html | 21:57 |
| thingee | there's a lot of debate in there | 21:58 |
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| barrett1 | thingee: Thanks | 21:58 |
| thingee | also another thread on beginning to work on a solution for these problems http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/085748.html | 21:58 |
| rockyg | just wanted to raise awareness. Oh, and the mission statement | 21:58 |
| shamail | I also think that the thread discussing the seperation of user conference and design summits might be of interest to folks in PWG.... | 21:58 |
| shamail | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086007.html | 21:58 |
| thingee | it's a lot to read. I really do recommend reading the digest and then going through the thread for fill ins. | 21:59 |
| thingee | shamail: happy to speak on these issues with the group | 21:59 |
| * hughhalf nods in agreement with thingee | 21:59 | |
| shamail | thanks thingee | 21:59 |
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| shamail | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/foundation/2016-February/002263.html (for mission statement topic) | 21:59 |
| MeganR | thank you thingee - great info! | 21:59 |
| barrett1 | I'll add some time to the agenda for our midcycle to follow-up on these discussions | 21:59 |
| * shamail wipes sweat from forehead... so many topics to discuss/find | 21:59 | |
| nateziemann | should the topic above get some time at our midcycle? +1 from me | 22:00 |
| barrett1 | nateziemann: +1 | 22:00 |
| nateziemann | barrett1 you beat me by 1 second to that thought :-) | 22:00 |
| shamail | barrett1: time check | 22:00 |
| annilai | +1 | 22:00 |
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| barrett1 | OK - we're out of time! See (some) of you next week! Safe travels | 22:00 |
| leong_ | +1 | 22:00 |
| pchadwick | bye! | 22:00 |
| cloudrancher | adios! | 22:00 |
| shamail | Look forward to the mid-cycle! | 22:00 |
| leong_ | see u in Manchester/London | 22:00 |
| MeganR | bye | 22:00 |
| barrett1 | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| hughhalf | Safe travels all, have fun :) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 8 22:01:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-02-08-21.01.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-02-08-21.01.txt | 22:01 |
| nateziemann | see you there !! | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-02-08-21.01.log.html | 22:01 |
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| shamail | barrett1, I'll cancel the PWG meeting invite for next week... | 22:01 |
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| shamail | We won't meet on Monday, right? | 22:01 |
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| nateziemann | barrett1 indicated "no" in her email on Friday. | 22:02 |
| shamail | thanks nateziemann | 22:02 |
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| barrett1 | shamail: Thanks | 22:03 |
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