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| d0ugal | o/ | 14:00 |
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| jtomasek | o/ | 14:01 |
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| dprince | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 9 14:01:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dprince. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:01 |
| trown | o/ | 14:01 |
| marios | \o | 14:02 |
| shardy | o/ | 14:02 |
| dprince | hi everyone | 14:02 |
| thrash | o/ | 14:02 |
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| dprince | #topic agenda | 14:02 |
| dprince | * bugs | 14:02 |
| dprince | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:02 |
| dprince | * CI | 14:02 |
| dprince | * Specs | 14:02 |
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| dprince | * one off agenda items | 14:02 |
| dprince | * open discussion | 14:03 |
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| derekh | o/ | 14:03 |
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| jaosorior | o/ | 14:03 |
| slagle | hi | 14:03 |
| jtomasek | o/ | 14:04 |
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| dprince | okay, lets get started | 14:04 |
| dprince | any other topics for this week? | 14:05 |
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| dprince | no one-off agenda items on the wiki so perhaps we can just get anything new in open-discussion | 14:05 |
| d0ugal | Sounds good | 14:06 |
| dprince | #topic bugs | 14:06 |
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| dprince | I think shardy just fixed this. | 14:07 |
| dprince | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1543493 | 14:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1543493 in tripleo "CI failing with nova/neutron NotFound error" [Undecided,New] | 14:07 |
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| shardy | we've pinned puppet-nova in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277756/ which should hopefully work around it for now | 14:08 |
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| dprince | any other high priority bugs to mention this week | 14:09 |
| derekh | befor that problem started we also had the HA jobs failing, so we should next see if the patch from jaosorior fixes that | 14:09 |
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| derekh | jaosorior: was there a bug for the HA problem ? | 14:10 |
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| dprince | okay, perhaps we link in the HA bug later if we find it | 14:11 |
| dprince | is it this https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1542405 | 14:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1542405 in tripleo "puppet-pacemaker: Error: When present, must provide value at /etc/puppet/modules/pacemaker/manifests/property.pp:14" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to James Slagle (james-slagle) | 14:12 |
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| shardy | dprince: the patch is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276701/ I think, no bug referenced | 14:12 |
| dprince | shardy: thanks | 14:13 |
| dprince | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:14 |
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| dprince | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-heat-templates+branch:stable/liberty+status:open | 14:15 |
| dprince | still a slew of backports to stable liberty happening | 14:15 |
| dprince | are those blocked on CI for the most part? | 14:15 |
| shardy | Related to that, I wanted to maybe do a quick poll, if folks think we should propose a more restrictive backport policy for stable/mitaka | 14:15 |
| trown | YES | 14:16 |
| shardy | my feeling ise we've had a "allow features" cycle, and it's been somewhat abused | 14:16 |
| d0ugal | +1 | 14:16 |
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| shardy | so I'd like to announce we'll be aligning with other projects from Mitaka onwards | 14:16 |
| dprince | shardy: yeah, this is out of control I think | 14:16 |
| trown | although, it has been better of late... maybe because CI has slowed down the flow :p | 14:16 |
| d0ugal | If nothing else it has just been confusing :) | 14:16 |
| d0ugal | lol | 14:16 |
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| shardy | trown: Yeah, we've not really managed to merge much at all for the last couple of weeks | 14:17 |
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| trown | ya, and delorean liberty has been pretty stable over that period | 14:18 |
| shardy | Do we need to record a vote on this, or is there consensus? | 14:19 |
| trown | maybe this is important enough to vote on ML? | 14:19 |
| dprince | shardy: probably worth an email thread so this is crystal | 14:19 |
| shardy | Ok, I'll start the thread, and folks can voice their support or opposition there | 14:19 |
| shardy | thanks | 14:19 |
| trown | thanks | 14:19 |
| dprince | although, our email threads sometimes just cause more confusion so we'll see :) | 14:20 |
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| shardy | hehe | 14:20 |
| dprince | #topic CI | 14:21 |
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| dprince | derekh: is your house on fire? wanna give an update from Friday? | 14:21 |
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| derekh | The tripleo ci cloud went down (or at least from the outside world) on friday, we fixed that last night, a default route on the controller changed as far as I can see | 14:21 |
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| derekh | no clue why... | 14:22 |
| derekh | jobs are now back running again | 14:22 |
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| derekh | but we now have a lot of jobs failing with comunication errors between jenkins and the slaves, not sure if this is cloud related, or something else | 14:22 |
| dprince | yeah, a bit of a head scratcher this one | 14:22 |
| dprince | derekh: could it be related to stale tripleo-bm-test ports or something? | 14:22 |
| derekh | historically this type of error hasn't been related to our cloud, but I havn't had a chance to look to be sure | 14:23 |
| dprince | the 192 range which provides the slaves access to the test-envs | 14:23 |
| dprince | derekh: if it isn't related to our cloud we should ask in infra to see if there is a general Jenkins slave stablity issue on Fedora today perhaps | 14:23 |
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| derekh | dprince: I wouldn't have thought so, the communication error is between the slaves and jenkins, so the 192 addresses asn't involved | 14:24 |
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| dprince | derekh: oh right. Sorry I got confused and though this was to our testenvs | 14:25 |
| derekh | dprince: wouldn't do any harm, wouldn't be a bad idea to poke around the overcloud aswell just incase it is our cloud | 14:25 |
| dprince | derekh: yeah, this sounds more like a potential infra thing. Perhaps worth asking and worth reviewing the last few commits in infra too since last friday | 14:26 |
| derekh | anyways, I'm still trying to fix something else, so wont get a chance to look until tonigh or maybe tomorrow | 14:26 |
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| dprince | I will see what I can figure out on this | 14:26 |
| derekh | dprince: that or the data center links is back, I know they were doing some link switchover on friday | 14:26 |
| derekh | s/back/bad | 14:27 |
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| dprince | okay, lets move on | 14:28 |
| dprince | #topic specs | 14:28 |
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| adarazs_lunch | there's one CI related issue I have, not sure if it belongs to this meeting or this topic, but let's see: | 14:28 |
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| adarazs | I recently picked up the task of looking at the production RDO manager jobs (so the repos using rdo-release rpm) and the liberty jobs currently cannot build images due to this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1304395 -- there's a simple fix but somebody should push that fix there and rebuild packages so that our jobs would pass on ci.centos.org | 14:28 |
| openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1304395 in openstack-tripleo "openstack overcloud image upload fails with "Required file "./ironic-python-agent.initramfs" does not exist."" [Unspecified,New] - Assigned to jslagle | 14:28 |
| trown | adarazs: that would be an RDO meeting thing | 14:29 |
| adarazs | sorry :) | 14:29 |
| adarazs | will ask it there :) | 14:29 |
| trown | :) | 14:29 |
| dprince | adarazs: yeah, it may effect us too but probably more of an RDO thing perhaps | 14:29 |
| trown | I think it is a pure packaging issue | 14:29 |
| trown | adarazs: we can talk about it on RDO meeting tomorrow though, thanks for bringing it up | 14:30 |
| adarazs | okay, so just please move on :) | 14:30 |
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| dprince | okay, specs. A few of us synced up before devconf.cz last week and there seems to be agreement that writing a Mistral spec is in order | 14:30 |
| trown | I have a new spec proposal for a possible replacement for instack-virt-setup https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276810/ | 14:30 |
| trown | +1 to Mistral spec | 14:31 |
| dprince | so hopefully we can get that before next meeting | 14:31 |
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| trown | We have changed the documentation for RDO to use the tool in that spec ^, and it has really made test days go alot smoother | 14:33 |
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| dprince | trown: I like the 'maze of bash scripts' reference | 14:34 |
| shardy | trown: where does the pre-built undercloud image come from - the periodic CI job? | 14:34 |
| trown | dprince: maybe that is a bit harsh, but trying to explain how that works to new people is hard | 14:34 |
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| trown | shardy: yes the job that promotes delorean repos also creates the image | 14:35 |
| shardy | it definitely is really confusing and hard to debug when it breaks | 14:35 |
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| dprince | trown: thanks for bringing it up. Lets see how the review goes | 14:35 |
| trown | for me the toughest part of instack-virt-setup is the lack of CI upstream, so it is really impossible to propose major changes | 14:36 |
| dprince | trown: yeah, well our CI environment was designed before instack existed I think | 14:37 |
| trown | I think we can only solve that with third-party CI, because of the need for a baremetal host, but I am volunteering to set that up as part of the work for that spec | 14:37 |
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| dprince | trown: and even still we'd likely never really cover this path in CI if we used an OVB overcloud either | 14:38 |
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| trown | dprince: right, and not all users will have access to an ovb cloud | 14:38 |
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| dprince | trown: my stance is that all users should have sufficient baremetal | 14:39 |
| dprince | trown: :) | 14:39 |
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| dprince | trown: this fills a needed niche for TripleO testing for sure | 14:39 |
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| trown | awesome, that is all for me then | 14:40 |
| dprince | #topic open discussion | 14:41 |
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| dcain | Hi folks. Would like to bring up the Manila integration into tripleo. Specifically this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188137/ | 14:41 |
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| d0ugal | If anyone has time to review this, it would be great. It can leave users in quite a nasty place. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275661/ | 14:43 |
| dcain | Trying to see what else needs to be done here to get this merged, and how I can help. thank you. | 14:43 |
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| dprince | d0ugal: I would like to see us store this in a Mistral environment perhaps | 14:44 |
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| dprince | d0ugal: or perhaps a swift artifact | 14:44 |
| d0ugal | dprince: Sure | 14:44 |
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| dprince | d0ugal: the deployment workflow can then generate any non-specified (new) passwords and we'd be sure that wherever the deployment gets executed from they don't change | 14:45 |
| shardy | dcain: thanks for highlighting it - looks like it's already had some positive feedback, so will need a recheck when we fix the current CI issues and some more review attention | 14:45 |
| shardy | I'll add it to my list | 14:45 |
| d0ugal | dprince: Sure, that makes sense but sounds like a longer term fix | 14:45 |
| shardy | perhaps we should start an etherpad of integration related patches? | 14:46 |
| dprince | d0ugal: yep, nothing wrong w/ fixing python-tripleoclient today too | 14:46 |
| shardy | e.g new services and/or drivers for various backends? | 14:46 |
| shardy | it's quite easy for them to drop off the review radar atm unfortunately | 14:46 |
| marios | shardy: yeah that makes sense. it is not easy to know which reviews to search for otherwise (e.g. as you don't know the name of the dev handling that integration to search on gerrit ) | 14:47 |
| marios | shardy: obvious concern is it just groes into unusability again | 14:47 |
| marios | s/groes/grows | 14:47 |
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| shardy | d0ugal: eek yes that does look nasty | 14:48 |
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| dprince | dcain: thanks for highlighting the Manila patch | 14:49 |
| d0ugal | shardy: Yeah, a massive oversight. Kind amazing we have only spotted it now. | 14:49 |
| d0ugal | shardy: We also found out that password changing doesn't work :) | 14:49 |
| dcain | shardy: thanks for the update. agreed on the idea of an etherpad, good idea. i would love to be added to that if possible. | 14:50 |
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| dcain | dprince: no problem, I'm just eager to use manila with tripleo! | 14:51 |
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| dprince | anything else this week? | 14:52 |
| dprince | thanks everyone | 14:52 |
| trown | thanks for chairing | 14:52 |
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| marios | dprince: | 14:52 |
| marios | dprince: here is a link to the talk that gfidente jistr and me gave last week https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlTg_Nk2UUw at devconf | 14:53 |
| d0ugal | Thanks! | 14:53 |
| marios | in case anyone is interested, on updated in tripleo clouds | 14:53 |
| dprince | marios: nice, I will watch | 14:53 |
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| marios | is a multistream, select the right video | 14:53 |
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| dprince | #endmeeting | 14:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 9 14:54:50 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-02-09-14.01.html | 14:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-02-09-14.01.txt | 14:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-02-09-14.01.log.html | 14:54 |
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| matrohon | doude, timirnich, pcarver : hi | 15:01 |
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| doude | hi | 15:02 |
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| matrohon | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 9 15:04:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matrohon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:04 |
| matrohon | hi all | 15:04 |
| matrohon | we don't have any agenda today, and no announcements | 15:05 |
| matrohon | does anyone wants to discuss any bgpvpn topic? | 15:05 |
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| matrohon | ok let's close this useful meeting :) | 15:10 |
| matrohon | #endmeeting | 15:10 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 9 15:10:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:10 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-02-09-15.04.html | 15:10 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-02-09-15.04.txt | 15:10 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-02-09-15.04.log.html | 15:10 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 9 16:00:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:00 | |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-02-09_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:00 |
| madhuri_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| levi_b | o/ | 16:00 |
| rods | o/ | 16:01 |
| dane_leblanc | o? | 16:01 |
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| coreyob | o/ | 16:01 |
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| juggler | o/ | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | hello madhuri_ levi_b rods dane_leblanc coreyob eghobo hongbin strigazi muralia dimtruck suro-patz and juggler | 16:03 |
| bradjones | o/ | 16:03 |
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| thomasem | o/ | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | hello bradjones and thomasem | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | let's begin | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) Reminder: Magnum Midcycle is Feb 18-19 in Sunnyvale, CA. | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Magnum/Midcycle Midcycle Details | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | any other announcements from team members? | 16:06 |
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| juggler | Is the Google Hangout link as of this writing? | 16:06 |
| * adrian_otto looks for what juggler is referring to | 16:07 | |
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| adrian_otto | juggler: We do not have remote participation sorted out yet | 16:08 |
| juggler | keep the meet rolling and i'll see if I remember where that reference is... | 16:08 |
| juggler | ah ok | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | I do have one more announcement | 16:08 |
| juggler | cool | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | but it's not specific to Magnum, so I will mention it during open discussion | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:09 |
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| adrian_otto | adrian_otto to produce a wiki page that explains Magnum's ability to support native API access and wrapped (limited) access to that functionality through our containers resource, and pointers to points of debate. | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Magnum/NativeAPI | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | this is a first draft of this page | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | I'm planning to fill it in with additional rationale, but this is the main idea | 16:09 |
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| adrian_otto | If you have use cases for the /container API resource, please list them there. | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | questions/concerns about this? | 16:10 |
| thomasem | reading | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | Im planning on expanding on our intent not to re-implement every feature of every COE, and keeping that resource to a minimum feature set, in accordance with our design sessions decisions in Tokyo. | 16:12 |
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| adrian_otto | we may also decide to make that resource pluggable (or even removable) | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | or possibly eliminate it, subject to discussion at our upcoming midcycle meetup | 16:12 |
| thomasem | lgtm, few grammatical things I'll go fix. | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | tx, thomasem | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | once we are happy with that page, I'll link it up to the Magnum wiki. | 16:13 |
| thomasem | cool | 16:13 |
| juggler | what thomasem said :) some POV changes from sentence to sentence... | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | great, let's tighten it up. | 16:14 |
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| adrian_otto | next up for action items: | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | 2) bradjones and adrian_otto to work on a demo of the Magnum UI for publication on the Magnum project wiki page. | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | bradjones: I was unable to connect with you. | 16:14 |
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| adrian_otto | Let's regroup after the meeting to earmark time for this together. | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | #action bradjones and adrian_otto to work on a demo of the Magnum UI for publication on the Magnum project wiki page. | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | ok, that one is carried forward. | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | Magnum UI Subteam Update (bradjones) | 16:15 |
| bradjones | adrian_otto: sounds good | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Magnum UI Subteam Update (bradjones) | 16:15 |
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| bradjones | don't really have anything to update on this week | 16:15 |
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| adrian_otto | ok | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint Review | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | Essential Blueprint Review | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/mitaka Mitaka Blueprints | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-troubleshooting-guide (Tango) | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | I think Tango may be on vacation? | 16:17 |
| hongbin | Yes he is | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/user-guide (Tango) | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | ok, does anyone have remarks on these two BP's to share? | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-tempest (dimtruck) | 16:18 |
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| dimtruck | in review. one patch is about to get merged. the other i just rebased. | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | this is in "Needs Code Review" status | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | ok, give me a heads up when all related code merges. | 16:18 |
| dimtruck | will do! | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/resource-quota (vilobhmm11) | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | thanks dimtruck | 16:19 |
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| dimtruck | thank you :) | 16:19 |
| vilobhmm11 | #1. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266662/ - Spec for Resource Quota got merged last week #2. Patches out for review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259201/ | 16:19 |
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| vilobhmm11 | will submit few more patches this week | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | thanks vilobhmm11 | 16:19 |
| vilobhmm11 | adrian_otto : ^^ | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | any concerns to address with the team? | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | Subtopic: Blueprints, Bugs, Specs, and other work items to be discussed as a team | 16:20 |
| vilobhmm11 | adrian_otto : no I think I am good | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/async-container-operations (suro-patz) | 16:21 |
| vilobhmm11 | thanks! | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | thanks vilobhmm11 | 16:21 |
| suro-patz | I have been receiving thorough review on the spec | 16:21 |
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| suro-patz | the spec has gone through some revisions - but mostly for phase1 | 16:21 |
| suro-patz | I will request the team to review the phase0 implementation too | 16:22 |
| suro-patz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275003/ | 16:22 |
| suro-patz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267134/ | 16:23 |
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| suro-patz | adrian_otto:^^ | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | thanks so much for your work on this, suro-patz. This is a really important improvement. | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | I made a note to be sure to review this today | 16:24 |
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| suro-patz | adrian_otto: happy to contribute! | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | ok, any additional remarks on this one? | 16:25 |
| suro-patz | so far I have got a very good response on the review for the spec … love this community's effort to get things better! | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | super | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so thins brings us to our next item for team discussion. | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/magnum/+bug/1543308 We must not disable selinux (Triaged, Critical) | 16:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1543308 in Magnum "We must not disable selinux" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Corey O'Brien (coreypobrien) | 16:26 |
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| adrian_otto | I voted -2 on a patch this week because it contained code to disable selinux | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | with respect, this is something that I simply can not allow. | 16:27 |
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| adrian_otto | and I'm looking for others to join me in fixing Magnum so it works properly with selinux enabled. | 16:27 |
| coreyob | I went back in the history and it looks like it was only disabled so that cloud-init configuration would work. I turned it back on at the end of cloud-init stuff and everything seems to work locally. I put a patch up and it is going through the checks now | 16:27 |
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| coreyob | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277883/ | 16:27 |
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| adrian_otto | coreyob: that's terrific | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | would you be willing to claim ownership of the bug mentioned above? | 16:28 |
| coreyob | sure. that patch submission auto-assigned it to me anyway | 16:28 |
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| adrian_otto | I'm thrilled to hear that, thanks! | 16:28 |
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| adrian_otto | I am prepared to explain why this is such an important issue if anyone is interested | 16:29 |
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| suro-patz | adrina_otto: If you have time, please explain ... | 16:29 |
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| adrian_otto | We do have a little time, so let's address it, suro-patz | 16:30 |
| vilobhmm11 | coreyob : good work! thanks for working on gate problems as well last week it was a great help for the team | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | neighboring containers have less security isolation between them than neighboring vms do. | 16:30 |
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| adrian_otto | that's because rather than using a hardware interface (relatively simple) they are separated by the kernel's syscall interface. | 16:31 |
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| adrian_otto | that interface has hundreds of calls, some of which are not simple. | 16:31 |
| suro-patz | the area of attack surface is larger | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | and Madatory Access Control (the kernel feature that both selinx and apparmor use) is how containers can be more securely isolated from eachother by narrowing this attack surface | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | so if we simply disable selinux blidly, we are disabling the most suitable security feature we have | 16:32 |
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| adrian_otto | now, we can argue that because bays are isolated from eachother that containers don't need to be | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | because no two containers will be in the same nova node. | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | but... | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | that logic only applies when nova is delivering vm's or full bare metal machines | 16:33 |
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| adrian_otto | if nova is configured to deliver containers as the basis for the nova nodes, then we *really* need selinux to be working | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | because then we have a multi-tenancy security expectation to meet | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | make sense? | 16:34 |
| suro-patz | adrian_otto: thanks for the explanation! | 16:34 |
| suro-patz | wondering, why did we disable it? | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | my pleasure. If anyone else is concerned about this and does not feel comfortable asking about it now, please feel free to find me privately and I will be happy to address it. | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | suro-patz: I don't have the original commit log, so I could not identify the original contributor to ask them | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | but I think it was imported from heat-kubernetes code | 16:35 |
| coreyob | here's the original commit: https://github.com/openstack/magnum/commit/784643e142bfaccd762e487077a34e12e4a49da3 | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | so I doubt someone in the Magnum project actively made thtat choice | 16:35 |
| hongbin | FYI. Here is the origin commit https://github.com/larsks/heat-kubernetes/commit/6a203edd7a7523f3e69a5d61514a1df8197dae96 | 16:35 |
| coreyob | "Disable selinux so that cloud-init works" | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | gasp | 16:36 |
| juggler | wow, that was quick [the original commits]. :) | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so let's not do that anymore | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone for your attention to this. I won't harp on it more today. | 16:36 |
| suro-patz | adrian_otto: in absence of 'selinux enabled' if a container gets compromised, the chance of the bay-node being compromised would also arise. right? | 16:37 |
| coreyob | I haven't tested to be sure, but I'm guessing we do have to disable it temporarily for our cloud-init configuration scripts to work. but it seems we can turn it on again after that. | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | it did not come from a Magnum contributor originally, which is a small relief. | 16:37 |
| juggler | does not feel like harping. this is a matter of importance | 16:37 |
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| adrian_otto | suro-patz: yes, the security of Bay nodes is important. It's just as important as the security of a compute node would be. | 16:38 |
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| adrian_otto | we will be covering this in the Midcycle | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | oh, I did not mention that I assembled a schedule | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | here: | 16:39 |
| vilobhmm11 | adrian_otto : its an important point to discuss in midcycle IMHO | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-mitaka-midcycle-topics | 16:40 |
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| adrian_otto | this was based on your input, and can be adjusted still if we see anything important that was overlooked | 16:40 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, we are currently in task item review | 16:41 |
| vilobhmm11 | schedule looks good..thanks adrian_otto ! | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | next is all about Gate status | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/magnum/+bug/1541964 k8s gate job | 16:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1541964 in Magnum "K8s bay creation intermittently timing out" [High,Confirmed] | 16:42 |
| coreyob | I think that k8s intermittent failure is the only regularly occurring gate issue that needs to be addressed | 16:42 |
| coreyob | the memory issue that is next is in the gate now I think | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | ok, let's paste that one in... | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276958/ memory consumption | 16:44 |
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| coreyob | does anyone have any insight on the k8s failure? | 16:44 |
| hongbin | coreyob: no idea, until we get the logs when it failed | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | I am upgrading the k8s bug to critical | 16:45 |
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| coreyob | so maybe this bug needs to be prioritized? https://bugs.launchpad.net/magnum/+bug/1542390 too? | 16:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1542390 in Magnum "Copy logs on test failure" [High,New] | 16:45 |
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| hongbin | +1 | 16:46 |
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| adrian_otto | I upgraded that one to critical as well, as it could clear the critical path to resolution | 16:47 |
| dimtruck | fyi - i'm doig a similar change in my certs patch to copy nova logs on error based on eghobo's suggestion. | 16:47 |
| dimtruck | (since we could have similar issues for functional-api) | 16:47 |
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| coreyob | i think there are enough pieces laying around that we just need to make sure they're enabled for any failure on any job and cover all the logs we need | 16:48 |
| dimtruck | +1 | 16:48 |
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| dimtruck | i'll assign this bug to myself since i'm kind of down this road already if nobody minds | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | thanks dimtruck | 16:49 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, do we have enoguh muscle lined up to succeed on these gate issues? | 16:49 |
| juggler | cheers dimtruck | 16:49 |
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| adrian_otto | please let me know where I can help | 16:49 |
| coreyob | I think so yep | 16:49 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, good. | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | that concludes the prepared agenda for work items | 16:50 |
| suro-patz | adrian_otto: regarding https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-mitaka-midcycle-topics, two occurrences of 'Heat Tempalte Versioning' is by design I guess | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | does anyone have other work items (blueprints, bugs, reviews) that need ream discusison before we proceed to open discussion | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | suro-patz: I am having a look at that | 16:50 |
| suro-patz | day1: 11am, day2: 13hrs | 16:51 |
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| adrian_otto | good catch | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | I am going to drop the day 2 one and expand the parking lot | 16:51 |
| suro-patz | cool! | 16:51 |
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| adrian_otto | we can address it there if needed | 16:51 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:53 |
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| vilobhmm11 | adrian_otto : if possible, would be nice to have a seperate session for production readiness for magnum right now seems to be part of parking lot discussion | 16:53 |
| dane_leblanc | Does anyone know the status of using smaller images in upstream testing (e.g. ubuntu?) | 16:53 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: back to the wiki page you mentioned earlier (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Magnum/NativeAPI), I think it would be better to put it in a etherpad, so that we can work on the use cases together | 16:53 |
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| vilobhmm11 | hongbin : +1 | 16:53 |
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| hongbin | adrian_otto: if you agreed, you can assign an AI to me for creating the etherpad | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin: good suggestion | 16:55 |
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| adrian_otto | vilobhmm11: I expected we would touch on production readiness during the Magnum Use Cases and Adoption | 16:55 |
| dane_leblanc | I'm trying to use Fedora Atomic in baremetal environment, but its size in raw format (roughly 9 GB) is a pain. | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | do we have a full 45 minutes or 60 minutes of discussion for that topic? | 16:56 |
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| adrian_otto | #action hongbin to create an etherpad for collaborative development of our NativeAPI wiki page | 16:56 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks hongbin | 16:56 |
| hongbin | my pleasure | 16:56 |
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| adrian_otto | #link http://containerevent.com/container-day-meetup/ Open Container Night | 16:57 |
| vilobhmm11 | adrian_otto : that also works..thanks! | 16:57 |
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| vilobhmm11 | covering as part of Magnum Use Cases and Adoption | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | I agreed to deliver the keynote for this. I had though we'd have a team dinner on that evening (day before Midcycle) but this will contend for that time | 16:57 |
| hongbin | dane_leblanc: I think coreyob is upgrading to Atomic23, which should be smaller than right now | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | so instead I'd like us to get together as a team between 5pm and 7pm on the 18th | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | for drinks | 16:58 |
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| dane_leblanc | hongbin: Thanks. | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | if you want to attend Open Container Night, it is free, and you need to register. See link above. | 16:58 |
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| coreyob | dane_leblanc here's the atomic 23 change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276232/ | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | We are approaching the end of our scheduled time. | 16:59 |
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| dane_leblanc | coreyob: Great, thanks! | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | our next team meeting will be on Tuesday 2016-02-16 at 1600 UTC here on IRC. See you then! | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks everyone for attending today. | 17:00 |
| juggler | thanks all | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| juggler | have a good week | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 9 17:00:20 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-02-09-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-02-09-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-02-09-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| sergmelikyan | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 9 17:00:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sergmelikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
| kzaitsev_ip_ | o/ | 17:01 |
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| sergmelikyan | o/ | 17:01 |
| freerunner | \o/ | 17:01 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 17:01 |
| tlashchova | o/ | 17:01 |
| sergmelikyan | it's always confusing how to great folks properly on meetings like this :) | 17:01 |
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| slagun | \0/ | 17:03 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:05 |
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| ksnihyr | o/ | 17:05 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic Action Items | 17:05 |
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| slagun | \_(%)_/ | 17:06 |
| sergmelikyan | #1 sergmelikyan ask community about the potential interest for having a midcycle meetup? | 17:06 |
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| sergmelikyan | Still in progress because I need to confirm first if Mirantis will be able to host this midcycle meetup | 17:07 |
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| sergmelikyan | #action sergmelikyan ask community about the potential interest for having a midcycle meetup? | 17:07 |
| sergmelikyan | #2 ask kolla folks about murano-glare situation | 17:07 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: ^ | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | oh boy =) | 17:07 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I forgot about kolla thing completely | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | thought I only had an AI about GSOC ) | 17:08 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | let's please keep it on the list? | 17:08 |
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| sergmelikyan | sure | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev_mb ask kolla folks about murano-glare plugin situation | 17:09 |
| sergmelikyan | #action kzaitsev_mb ask kolla folks about murano-glare situation | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | hah ) | 17:09 |
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| sergmelikyan | #undo | 17:09 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x98381d0> | 17:09 |
| sergmelikyan | #3 check with GSOC folks if murano need some official registration for GSOC | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I won'd undo mine ) | 17:09 |
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| sergmelikyan | hopefully ) | 17:10 |
| kzaitsev_mb | yep, we need to put something | 17:10 |
| sergmelikyan | or cycle will go on and on :) | 17:10 |
| kzaitsev_mb | on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GSoC2016 | 17:10 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GSoC2016 | 17:10 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Internship_ideas | 17:11 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | and probably here =) | 17:11 |
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| sergmelikyan | nice! | 17:11 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: way to go :) | 17:11 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Those pages are going to be used as a place Google folks would look at | 17:11 |
| kzaitsev_mb | when determining whether to accept OpenStack to GSOC this year | 17:12 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I've pinged vkmc — we'll cleanup the Internship Ideas page later this week ) | 17:12 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I've had a couple of ideas of what we can put there | 17:12 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-2016-gsoc-ideas | 17:13 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I'm liking 'Murano package validation tool' and 'Searchlight Integration' the most to be honest =) | 17:13 |
| sergmelikyan | Nice, slagun I guess this is where you can put all your beautiful ideas about improvements ) | 17:13 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | although yaql.js also looks nice ) | 17:13 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I'll keep you folks updated on the situation around GSOC ) | 17:14 |
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| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: I like idea of having validation during package import more that package validation tool by itself :) | 17:14 |
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| slagun | +many for yaql.js | 17:14 |
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| sergmelikyan | implementing yaql.js is too complex I guess for Google Summer of Code event kind of stuff | 17:15 |
| kzaitsev_mb | slagun: I'll ping you personally for more ideas to put there =) | 17:15 |
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| sergmelikyan | let's move on :) | 17:16 |
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| sergmelikyan | #topic Bashate/shellcheck job for murano-apps(freerunner) | 17:17 |
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| freerunner | Hey :) | 17:17 |
| freerunner | So, I would like explain for a little. | 17:17 |
| freerunner | In our murano-apps repo we have a lot of bash scripts. | 17:17 |
| freerunner | In ever app we have at least one *sh file | 17:18 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I generally like the idea of having shellcheck jobs there. We would brobably need to disable a couple of rules along the way, but generally — I think it's good | 17:18 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I've seen my share of bad shell code there, that shellcheck would weed out | 17:19 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: I don't think this is worse it, given that we actually don't really have complex scripts | 17:19 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: tho agree about bad code | 17:19 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/add-shellcheck-jobs | 17:19 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I've filed it a while ago =)) | 17:19 |
| freerunner | Wow | 17:20 |
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| freerunner | Sooo, maybe it's a good time to implement a job for murano-apps?) | 17:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: when I filed the bp — I didn't know how to add a new job =) | 17:21 |
| kzaitsev_mb | and it turned out — there were no ready templates for shellcheck | 17:21 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | have the situation changed? =) | 17:21 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I think I even recieved some positive support on the ML =) | 17:21 |
| kzaitsev_mb | from infra folks. | 17:22 |
| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: Khm. Doesn't know about situation with templates.. | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so. are there any objections to this idea? =) | 17:22 |
| sergmelikyan | My point is that it may be too complex to be worth spending time on that | 17:23 |
| sergmelikyan | I like the idea, maybe let's check how complex would be to implement it now? | 17:23 |
| sergmelikyan | freerunner: what do you think? | 17:24 |
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| freerunner | sergmelikyan: Ok, I will research it ;) | 17:24 |
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| sergmelikyan | #action freerunner will check how complex is to add bashate job on murano-apps | 17:25 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic Should we declare a Spec Freeze for Mitaka? | 17:25 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | that one is... | 17:26 |
| kzaitsev_mb | complex =) | 17:26 |
| sergmelikyan | yep :) | 17:26 |
| Nikolay_St | well, we want to follow major guideliness - so we must declare Spec Freeze | 17:27 |
| freerunner | A lot of projects have spec freeze date.. | 17:27 |
| Nikolay_St | in other hand we don't have much spec in this cycle | 17:27 |
| sergmelikyan | Nikolay_St: depending on why - I am not a big fun for following guidelines for guidelines | 17:27 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I'd say that I'm ok with not declaring it | 17:28 |
| Nikolay_St | sergmelikyan: me neither | 17:28 |
| kzaitsev_mb | since we 1) didn't declare it in advance | 17:28 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | 2) as long as we're following the FF after m-3 | 17:29 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I do not really feel the need to do it | 17:29 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: +100500 | 17:29 |
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| sergmelikyan | no objections? | 17:32 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Since there are no strong points in favor of declaring — I'd say we should not declate Spec Freeze | 17:32 |
| Nikolay_St | nope | 17:32 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic Open Discussion | 17:32 |
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| Nikolay_St | Oh | 17:32 |
| slagun | We can declare spec freeze and immediately open specs for Newton. It is also okay to implement Newton specs in Mitaka | 17:32 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | slagun: we can already open specs for newton =) | 17:32 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I've thought of doing so last week | 17:33 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | (when I was tinkering with glance's spec repo) | 17:33 |
| Nikolay_St | I have something to discuss | 17:33 |
| Nikolay_St | this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272308/ | 17:34 |
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| Nikolay_St | I forgot to reach Alexey and ask him why didn't he upload this app to master branch | 17:34 |
| freerunner | Nikolay_St: This patch should be a cherry-pick.. | 17:35 |
| slagun | We shouldn't put apps into murano-apps that aren't going to be supported | 17:35 |
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| Nikolay_St | well, I can easily imagine situation in which app developer will upload app for specific release | 17:37 |
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| Nikolay_St | slagun: so, it's better not to have an app at all than have it in stable branch? | 17:37 |
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| slagun | Nikolay_St: yes, because anything in that repo is on us | 17:38 |
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| sergmelikyan | Nikolay_St: I don't have a problem with backporting new apps to previous releases, but I don't really like idea of having app per specific release | 17:38 |
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| sergmelikyan | Nikolay_St: Alexey don't want to propose this app to master? | 17:40 |
| Nikolay_St | slagun: ok, really don't have enough might to argue about specific case | 17:40 |
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| Nikolay_St | sergmelikyan: as I write above I forgot to contact him about it today | 17:40 |
| slagun | I don't like the idea to have apps that nobody is going to support. And if the author do want to support it then have up to data version is master is a first requirement | 17:41 |
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| sergmelikyan | Today we are really negative ;0 | 17:42 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | It has to be something with weather =) | 17:44 |
| Nikolay_St | :D | 17:44 |
| Nikolay_St | slagun: I heard you | 17:44 |
| Nikolay_St | I guess we should place this argument somewhere | 17:45 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St: into the review ;) | 17:45 |
| kzaitsev_mb | you'll have a link to logs after the meeting ;) | 17:46 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | so you can officially -1 it and give link to this conversation as reason =) | 17:47 |
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| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: I mean 'for future use' | 17:47 |
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| Nikolay_St | so, that's all from my side | 17:48 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I'm planning on working on some sort of document(wiki or docs), that would summarise how we work with backports in murano and in murano-apps =) would remember to include this one there. | 17:49 |
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| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: Maybe we can include it into contributing guide? | 17:50 |
| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: probably =) | 17:50 |
| freerunner | Nice :) | 17:51 |
| kzaitsev_mb | won't happen this/next week. but hope to have it before Mitaka anyway. | 17:51 |
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| Nikolay_St | :D | 17:53 |
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| sergmelikyan | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 9 17:59:35 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| freerunner | Cheers, folks! :) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-02-09-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-02-09-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| sergmelikyan | thanks folks | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-02-09-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
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