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| n0ano | #startmeeting nova-scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 15 14:00:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
| n0ano | anybody here to talk about the scheduler? | 14:00 |
| Yingxin | o/ | 14:00 |
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| cdent | o-o | 14:01 |
| bauzas | \....o | 14:01 |
| _gryf | o_O | 14:01 |
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| * jaypipes in another meeting for 10 or so minutes... | 14:02 | |
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| jaypipes | maybe 15.. :( | 14:02 |
| * n0ano too early to decipher the various I'm here tags :-) | 14:03 | |
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| n0ano | anyway... | 14:03 |
| edleafe | n0ano: just use the pythonic bool() | 14:03 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: we can swap our topics | 14:03 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: yes please | 14:03 |
| bauzas | n0ano ? | 14:03 |
| bauzas | so bugs... :) | 14:04 |
| n0ano | #topic Bugs - https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=scheduler | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs - https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=scheduler (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:04 | |
| n0ano | (sorry, my keyboard locked up) | 14:04 |
| n0ano | I checked the bug list and we're unchanged at 39 | 14:05 |
| bauzas | yup, AFAIK | 14:05 |
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| n0ano | is anybody here actively working on any of them? | 14:05 |
| * _gryf has started on that one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1442024 | 14:06 | |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1442024 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "AvailabilityZoneFilter does not filter when doing live migration" [Medium,Confirmed] | 14:06 |
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| cdent | I had been planning to, but resource-* is eating the world | 14:06 |
| bauzas | I'm also a bit concerned by https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1542491 | 14:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1542491 in Ubuntu "Scheduler update_aggregates race causes incorrect aggregate information" [Undecided,New] | 14:06 |
| n0ano | _gryf, good to hear, let us know if you need anything | 14:06 |
| Yingxin | I'll work on some of them because of the bug-smash festival | 14:06 |
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| n0ano | cdent, understood completely | 14:06 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: cool, which ones are you planning to look at ? | 14:07 |
| _gryf | n0ano, sure thing. | 14:07 |
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| Yingxin | bauzas: I'm still looking, maybe my issued bugs first | 14:07 |
| n0ano | I would encourage everyone to look for some easy ones, just to get the list down | 14:08 |
| n0ano | I'm guessing some of the bugs can be closed as not valid after closer inspection | 14:08 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: ack | 14:08 |
| bauzas | again, that one is making me torn https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1542491 | 14:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1542491 in Ubuntu "Scheduler update_aggregates race causes incorrect aggregate information" [Undecided,New] | 14:09 |
| bauzas | I'll mark it Incomplete because I need a version, but that looks like the rpc fanout is not as fast as I thought | 14:10 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, tell me that doesn't mean it'll be `fixed` by increasing a timeout (I `hate` timeouts) | 14:10 |
| bauzas | n0ano: that's weirdo, because the scheduler should get the update eventually | 14:11 |
| bauzas | n0ano: the guy wouldn't need to restart the scheduler processz | 14:11 |
| bauzas | anyway | 14:11 |
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| bauzas | I don't want to discuss that now, just raising a concern | 14:11 |
| n0ano | bauzas, +1 | 14:11 |
| n0ano | OK, we're thinking about bugs, that's good, let's move on | 14:12 |
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| n0ano | #topic Patches/Reviews – https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Patches/Reviews – https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:12 | |
| n0ano | looks like we've got a few that need review | 14:13 |
| cdent | resource provider objects is ready for review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277466/ | 14:13 |
| cdent | a parent is failing unit tests, though, so it is currently -1 by jenkins | 14:13 |
| n0ano | cdent, bummer, note that I have a tendency to ignore patches that fail jenkins, never know what changes will be needed to pass | 14:14 |
| cdent | yeah, I need to get with dansmith to find out what's going on there | 14:14 |
| cdent | (its his patch that has gone wonky, but it might have been my rebase) | 14:15 |
| bauzas | yeah, we need to clean-up the list of patches | 14:15 |
| bauzas | for resource-* | 14:15 |
| bauzas | some have merged | 14:15 |
| bauzas | oh snap | 14:16 |
| bauzas | :p | 14:16 |
| n0ano | and magically the etherpad is updated :-) | 14:16 |
| bauzas | :) | 14:16 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: still stuck with people not us? | 14:17 |
| edleafe | bauzas: what are we, chopped liver? :) | 14:17 |
| bauzas | hah | 14:17 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: 1 more min | 14:17 |
| bauzas | so, waiting jay for the resource-* stuff | 14:18 |
| n0ano | then, while waiting, I'll point out that I'll be on a plane next Mon., someone else will have to chair | 14:18 |
| bauzas | just wanted to put lights on the 2 other bits mentioned in the etherpad :) | 14:18 |
| jaypipes | ok, so... | 14:19 |
| n0ano | bauzas, go ahead | 14:19 |
| edleafe | n0ano: no worries, I'll be around | 14:19 |
| n0ano | edleafe, a volunteer, you win | 14:19 |
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| edleafe | \o/ | 14:19 |
| bauzas | the disk allocation ratio series is kinda fuzzy, because /me forgot to provide it when he did the move for RAM and CPU | 14:19 |
| bauzas | call me stupid | 14:19 |
| bauzas | aaaand funny, not fuzzy of course :) | 14:20 |
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| jaypipes | ok, I'm done. | 14:20 |
| bauzas | speaking of https://review.openstack.org/245619 et al. | 14:20 |
| jaypipes | sorry guys | 14:20 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: np, you'll just be charged for the whole hour, sorry | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | figurd as much :) | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | anyway, can we talk about resource-providers status or have you already done that? | 14:21 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: I was just waiting for you, speaking of https://review.openstack.org/245619 meanwhile :) | 14:21 |
| bauzas | anyway | 14:22 |
| bauzas | moving on to the resource-* stuff | 14:22 |
| n0ano | jaypipes, according to the priorities etherpad there;s only 1 resources change outstanding | 14:22 |
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| n0ano | if that's correct that's great news | 14:22 |
| jaypipes | yup, I'll review that shortly. no problems with moving the remaining allocation ratio to the DB. | 14:22 |
| cdent | n0ano: it's not quite accurate as there is at least one pending spec | 14:23 |
| cdent | maybe two | 14:23 |
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| n0ano | cdent, I was afraid of that, it's be good to get those reflected in the pad | 14:24 |
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| cdent | we had a race collision on who was going to do that, I'll just go ahead and do it now | 14:24 |
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| jaypipes | n0ano: I'll work with cdent on updating the pad. | 14:24 |
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| n0ano | cdent, jaypipes tnx | 14:24 |
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| bauzas | so, about the resource-scheduler spec (which we agreed to not merge in Mitaka anyway), I know that jaypipes is planning to update it by splitting it in two | 14:25 |
| n0ano | to specifics, bauzas did you want to bring up your disk issues? | 14:25 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: correct. one part for the pushing join conditions to the DB, the other for the claims in scheduler part. | 14:26 |
| bauzas | n0ano: not really, it was rather for consuming time waiting for jay :) | 14:26 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, NP, sounds like it's progressing properly then | 14:26 |
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| Yingxin | join conditions? | 14:27 |
| bauzas | so, I left some comments in the spec, but I'd like to see how Yingxin's spec about shared-state scheduler could benefit from jaypipes and cdent's work on resource-* | 14:27 |
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| bauzas | Yingxin: the ability to select hosts with enough RAM and disk by filtering out in the query directly instead of filters | 14:27 |
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| Yingxin | I'll finish my review on resource-providers-scheduler after the meeting | 14:28 |
| Yingxin | bauzas: got it | 14:28 |
| jaypipes | thx Yingxin | 14:28 |
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| bauzas | so, my guys on that is that operators probably want both possibilities | 14:29 |
| cdent | We still seem to have a fair amount of difference of opinion on where the truth lives. And it would be great to make that _not_ optional. | 14:29 |
| cdent | It should live in one place. Doesn't matter where (to me). | 14:29 |
| Yingxin | bauzas: jaypipes: it looks very diffierent from my approach | 14:29 |
| jaypipes | Yingxin: yes, sorry, my db background showing through a bit there.. pushing join conditions is about not running filters in the Python code and instead doing that on the DB side :) | 14:29 |
| cdent | choice is bad, mmmkay? | 14:29 |
| bauzas | well, that's actually a very good open question | 14:30 |
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| bauzas | MHO is that we should provide an ubiquitous scheduler, but we can have different drivers | 14:30 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: you're trying to minimize the number of hosts constantly pulled from the db. | 14:30 |
| jaypipes | Yingxin: not a problem. let's have data inform our decisions on the scheduler design. I'm more than happy to let the better approach win :) | 14:30 |
| edleafe | So is Yingxin | 14:30 |
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| edleafe | just not in a db-centric way | 14:31 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: what I like with Yingxin's approach is that it's close to what I dreamed with https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-scalable-scheduler | 14:31 |
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| bauzas | and I'm less concerned cell-ish | 14:31 |
| bauzas | but like I said, I wonder how all of that can integrate | 14:32 |
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| Yingxin | looks like a performance competition :) | 14:32 |
| bauzas | atm, we have 3 drivers | 14:32 |
| jaypipes | like I said, I'm very open to all ideas. let's just get some data to tell us when one approach is better than the other. and, be aware, one approach may be better for some scenarios and not others. | 14:32 |
| bauzas | the ChanceScheduler, for things like functional tests that don't really care of filtering | 14:32 |
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| bauzas | the FilterScheduler | 14:32 |
| bauzas | and the CachingScheduler, which is just a FilterScheduler with some caching | 14:33 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: that's what always causes resistence | 14:33 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: some racy caching :) | 14:33 |
| cdent | I think we need to be careful not to prioritize performance over being useful with a variety of resources, maintainability and extractability from Nova | 14:33 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: solve for the 80% (or even 90%), and you'll have complaining from the rest | 14:33 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: totally agreed, but that's a reasonable tradeoff for large operators | 14:33 |
| jaypipes | cdent: agreed. the simplicity and debuggability of a design also matters. | 14:33 |
| cdent | performance is all well and good but if we end up with some kind of magic box that makes everyone scratch their head that's a bummer | 14:33 |
| n0ano | well, better in different cases is why multiple drivers is good | 14:34 |
| bauzas | hence my point | 14:34 |
| edleafe | cdent: we also shouldn't sacrifice performance to perpetuate a poor design | 14:34 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: well, we already have that (solved for 80%) and we've had a continual stream of complaints for 4+ years :P | 14:34 |
| cdent | edleafe: I definitely want _change_ | 14:34 |
| bauzas | well, having an optimistic scheduler is not really a bad choice IMHO | 14:34 |
| bauzas | and I explained that in https://review.openstack.org/271823 | 14:35 |
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| edleafe | cdent: hmmm... change in and of itself is not a good thing | 14:35 |
| edleafe | cdent: but I understand the feeling | 14:35 |
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| cdent | edleafe: are you just being contrary for the sake of it I think we're mostly agreeing :) | 14:35 |
| jaypipes | I'd like to make it clear that the resource-providers framework doesn't affect the scheduler much at all until the resource-providers-scheduler blueprint, which isn't coming until Newton. | 14:35 |
| cdent | ++ | 14:35 |
| Yingxin | ++ | 14:36 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I'm totally on board with you | 14:36 |
| cdent | It does feel, however, like we need to gain a more shared goal | 14:36 |
| jaypipes | dammit my phone is buzzing off the hook. damn you $work! | 14:36 |
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| bauzas | anyway, we're not about to solve our problem in that meeting | 14:37 |
| jaypipes | cdent: I agree completely. but at the same time, I'd like to prove out the various design ideas and show where each shines and each doesn't. | 14:37 |
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| cdent | yeah, definitely, no disagreement on that point | 14:37 |
| jaypipes | cdent: my benchmarking framework is an attempt to prove out various strategies. | 14:37 |
| cdent | I just worry that sometimes we're not all talking about the same thing. It's my superpowwer to notice when that happens. | 14:37 |
| bauzas | my take is just to raise all initiatives (which is great) and try to figure a complete path for success :) | 14:37 |
| cdent | code++ | 14:37 |
| jaypipes | cdent: :) | 14:37 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: are you planning to attend Austin ? | 14:39 |
| jaypipes | Yingxin: I will review your code and ideas this week. I will try to emulate your design into my placement-bench project, ok? | 14:39 |
| cdent | Austin Scheduler Cage Match | 14:39 |
| Yingxin | Yeah, if the session is elected then I'll definitly be there. | 14:39 |
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| n0ano | cdent, we have a rich history of Scheduler Cage Matches :-) | 14:40 |
| Yingxin | jaypipes: ok thanks very much | 14:40 |
| cdent | s/Scheduler/Placement/ | 14:40 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: that would be very gentle | 14:40 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: as always, your change requests would be most welcome. feel free to peruse the placement-bench code and ask me questions on it. I'll be adding the legacy (existing Nova) schema for compute nodes soon to show difference between placement requests using old and new resource providers schemas. | 14:40 |
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| jaypipes | n0ano: s/Scheduler//g | 14:40 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: you mean, PRs on the bench system ? | 14:40 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: yes, sorry :) | 14:40 |
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| Yingxin | jaypipes: the installation instructions are in the commit message of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280047 | 14:41 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: ack, will try to see how I can setup all of that | 14:41 |
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| jaypipes | Yingxin: well, I won't be installing it :) I'll be essentially emulating the key parts of the design. | 14:41 |
| bauzas | I have 2 mini-dells currently sleeping | 14:41 |
| Yingxin | jaypipes: well, magic | 14:41 |
| jaypipes | Yingxin: have a look at https://github.com/jaypipes/placement-bench and you'll see what I mean :) | 14:41 |
| Yingxin | jaypipes: I'm still using the dumb way to test schedulers using devstack :P | 14:42 |
| Yingxin | jaypipes: will upgrade my weapon | 14:42 |
| jaypipes | Yingxin: that's not dumb at all :) just not as isolated... | 14:43 |
| jaypipes | Yingxin: hehe | 14:43 |
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| jaypipes | Yingxin, bauzas: again, this was only 3 days work... I'll refine it this week | 14:43 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: for some of us, that's the only testing method available | 14:44 |
| * edleafe would love to have racks of hardware to play with... | 14:44 | |
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| n0ano | edleafe, Intel is offering 1000, you just have to have a specific proposal for them | 14:45 |
| edleafe | n0ano: yeah, that's the exact opposite of 'playing' | 14:45 |
| n0ano | edleafe, good point :-) | 14:45 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: eh, no worries, I just need to understand your testbed | 14:46 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: but that looks very promising | 14:46 |
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| jaypipes | ok, we all wrapped up here? | 14:46 |
| Yingxin | I'm still figuring out how to test scheduler (performance) using existing functional test framework. | 14:47 |
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| n0ano | getting close to the hour | 14:47 |
| n0ano | #topic opens | 14:47 |
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| n0ano | anything new? | 14:47 |
| Yingxin | one question | 14:48 |
| n0ano | Yingxin, go ahead | 14:48 |
| Yingxin | Why there can be multiple RTs and compute nodes in the same host? | 14:48 |
| Yingxin | do those RTs have the same resource view? | 14:48 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: you have one RT per compute node | 14:49 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: the compute-manager service can hold N nodes | 14:49 |
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| bauzas | Yingxin: because some drivers (ironic and hyper-v) are reporting more than one node per compute | 14:50 |
| Yingxin | bauzas: so their compute node resources(CPU/RAM/DISK) are different? | 14:50 |
| bauzas | what we call a "ComputeNode" object is one node | 14:50 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: yeaj | 14:50 |
| bauzas | yeah | 14:50 |
| bauzas | but that's some behaviour we'd like to change | 14:51 |
| bauzas | at least for ironic | 14:51 |
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| bauzas | tl;dr: ironic is reporting the list of ironic nodes it managers thru a single nova-compute | 14:51 |
| bauzas | it manages* | 14:51 |
| bauzas | each compute node being an ironic node | 14:52 |
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| edleafe | Yingxin: the original model assumed VMs. The current design of multiple nodes per host was an attempt to fit ironic and vmware into that same VM model | 14:52 |
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| Yingxin | bauzas: edleafe: My question is are the resources of the host shared or allocated separatedly to different compute nodes? | 14:53 |
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| bauzas | Yingxin: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/manager.py#L6329-L6331 | 14:54 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: the resource usage is given by the drivre | 14:55 |
| bauzas | driver | 14:55 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: for each node it knows | 14:55 |
| Yingxin | bauzas: thanks its clear | 14:55 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: so each 'driver node' is reporting differently | 14:55 |
| bauzas | there is no aggregation | 14:55 |
| n0ano | any other last minute items? | 14:56 |
| Yingxin | bauzas: yeah makes sense | 14:56 |
| bauzas | and the scheduler doesn't know that the 2 corresponding nodes are on the same host | 14:56 |
| bauzas | that's 2 computes for it | 14:56 |
| _gryf | n0ano, one more from me - I'm open to work on the resources-* - if there is anything I can take, it would be great. | 14:57 |
| bauzas | heh | 14:57 |
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| bauzas | _gryf: reviewing is certainly a good option :) | 14:57 |
| n0ano | _gryf, I'd coordinate with cdent & jaypipes , I'm sure they can give you something to do | 14:57 |
| Yingxin | bauzas: but the scheduler can only send RPC messages to a host | 14:57 |
| edleafe | bauzas: I'm taking a crack at the scheduler utils stuff | 14:57 |
| _gryf | bauzas, I'm already doing that :) | 14:57 |
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| bauzas | Yingxin: let's take that offline in -nova right after the meeting if it's not too late for you, okay. | 14:57 |
| bauzas | ? | 14:57 |
| Yingxin | ok | 14:58 |
| edleafe | bauzas: I may have questions along the way for you | 14:58 |
| bauzas | I'm all ears in -nova :) | 14:58 |
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| n0ano | indeed, I think it's time people, tnx and most of us will talk again next week | 14:58 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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| bauzas | disclaimer, I no longer have coffee shots left | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 15 14:58:33 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-02-15-14.00.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-02-15-14.00.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-02-15-14.00.log.html | 14:58 |
| bauzas | I'm running out of coffee | 14:58 |
| bauzas | for real | 14:58 |
| n0ano | bauzas, oh the horror :-) | 14:58 |
| bauzas | which is concerning me | 14:58 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 15 15:01:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:01 |
| ajo | o/ | 15:01 |
| korzen | hello | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | o/ all. giving some small time for everyone to fasten their seatbelts | 15:01 |
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| rossella_s | hi | 15:03 |
| electrocucaracha | GM | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | ok let's get working. | 15:03 |
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| mhickey | Hi; sorry I am late | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | no announcements my side, so just going straight into topics | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | not much progress, still the same 3 failures. | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | we have some patches to add more diagnostics to grenade runs: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/branch:master+topic:neutron-worlddump | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | and honestly I lean to setting devstack-gate like setup locally and debug it from there | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | since throwing patches into gate and hope for the best does not seem very effective | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | that's about it I guess | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | now juicy stuff | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: wanna update? | 15:05 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, yes! | 15:05 |
| ajo | About the previous topic, I agree, we need a mechanism like that to jump in to CI VMs and eventually debug | 15:06 |
| slunkad | hello | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | ajo: sadly requires infra involvement, so probably not this time. but yes. | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | slunkad: hi | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: shoot :) | 15:06 |
| ajo | ihrachys, yes, we just need to raise the concern with infra | 15:06 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, so I was lazy and didn't do anything...korzen is still working on the subnet ovo, mhickey is working on the extra dhcp extension | 15:07 |
| rossella_s | dguitarbite has not started on the port sec extension | 15:07 |
| mhickey | rossella_s: some work also done on address pairs | 15:07 |
| rossella_s | I've seen saisriki patch for the sqlachemy types | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | yeah, I started going thru all the bits you all folks work on today. will continue reviews. | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | that types patch is of concern to me, yes. | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277558/ | 15:08 |
| rossella_s | slunkad, is working on the sec group extension...still WIP and I didn't have the time to review | 15:08 |
| korzen | I will continue the effort to introduce the composite key case | 15:08 |
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| rossella_s | korzen, great | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | korzen: I think we have a solid base for the composite keys to merge it this week. | 15:09 |
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| electrocucaracha | I uploaded some changes of subnetpool but it requires the change of composite keys that korzen has proposed. Subnetpoolprefix requires it | 15:09 |
| slunkad | rossella_s: yes I wasn't able to update my patch this week will try to do that this week | 15:09 |
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| slunkad | *last | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: we could rebase patches on top of korzen's work if that's what you depend on | 15:09 |
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| rossella_s | actually I have another concern...maybe we should talk about it during the discussion slot | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: as long as it's objects, we can do it now. | 15:11 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, it's not so specific to object, let's leave it for later | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: are you done on objects? | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | ok | 15:12 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, yes | 15:12 |
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| ihrachys | so I was wrapping my head around the types patch: | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277558/ | 15:12 |
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| ihrachys | so my understanding is that without the patch like that (and db models migrated to using new types), we can't use OVO fields for IP address | 15:12 |
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| ihrachys | concern here is that unless netaddr representation is identical to our current string based one, we could need migration (I hope representation is the same though) | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | and even if the representation is the same, types may need migration. | 15:13 |
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| ihrachys | is that correct? | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | slunkad: rossella_s ? | 15:14 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, yes | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | that's a bit of sad honestly. :) | 15:14 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, I know | 15:14 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, I can't see any workaround | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | first since we may be blocked until we get the types in (and people push them into oslo.db) | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | and second since migrations mean higher downtime to do the migration. | 15:14 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, well we could use string for now...and then migrate but it's going to be more complex probably | 15:15 |
| mhickey | rossella_s: why was IPAddress field added to the o.vo? | 15:15 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, or we stick with strings :/ | 15:15 |
| rossella_s | mhickey, what do you mean? | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: apparently because nova already used it | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: the whole library came from nova world | 15:16 |
| mhickey | https://github.com/openstack/oslo.versionedobjects/blob/master/oslo_versionedobjects/fields.py#L402 | 15:16 |
| mhickey | so how does nova persist the field? | 15:16 |
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| korzen | I've heard that IP address in o.vo was added recetly | 15:17 |
| mhickey | korzen: ok | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: the netaddr.IPAddress (not string) is passed into SQLAlchemy | 15:17 |
| mhickey | sorry thinking out loud; haven't had time to investigate | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: and then the type makes the proper convertion for you. | 15:17 |
| rossella_s | mhickey, https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/db/sqlalchemy/types.py | 15:17 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, anyway this discussion should be probably brought to the neutron meeting? | 15:18 |
| mhickey | ok, so everything started in nova and is now started to be centralized? | 15:18 |
| korzen | the new sql type is sql alchemy decorator to handle inserts | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: is there a strict need to map the type to INET for psql? | 15:18 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, TBH didn't check | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | because if we can unconditionally map to String, then at least we don't need to modify schema | 15:19 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, I think that works, it's what we are doing now | 15:19 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, the down side is that there's no type check ... | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | right. I actually don't think that the proposal to have it in oslo.db may work. since different projects have different requirements to map alias types to backend types. | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: I hear you. but at least we can then postpone/avoid alembic migrations and figure out the way out later. | 15:20 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, I agree | 15:20 |
| korzen | the workaround for us would be to implement conversion to string in code, without schema and sqlalchemy decorator | 15:20 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: but I thought that is a reason to centralize to standardize? | 15:20 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, we can postpone the pain :) | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: we standardize on using OVO field type, yes. we diverge on how we handle the result on sqlalchemy level. | 15:21 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: ok | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | ok, I think I have some mind map now. thanks folks for clarification. | 15:22 |
| korzen | the question is should we use string? instead of IP address? | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | I will try to convince reviewers it may be ok to have it in neutron tree :) | 15:22 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, :D | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | korzen: I think on object level it should still be IPAddress | 15:22 |
| korzen | ihrachys then we need to convert on insert | 15:23 |
| korzen | otherwise the code blows | 15:23 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, anyway you raised a good point. This conversion might slow us down quite a bit due to migrations | 15:23 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: yes, we need a SQLA type for that. just not an exact copy of what nova has. | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | to avoid alembic | 15:23 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, maybe we should investigate how painful would be to move to these new types | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | yeah, definitely something that should be tackled quick to avoid the blocker for other patches. | 15:24 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, to get the whole picture | 15:24 |
| korzen | I would suggest to have local type with string(64) not string(39) like nova | 15:24 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, right, like high priority task | 15:25 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: yeah, that's another thing. it should be of size we already use in models for ip-address fields | 15:25 |
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| rossella_s | so my proposal would be to have a kind of POC with the introduction of a new type and migration needed | 15:26 |
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| korzen | rossella_s and until then? | 15:26 |
| rossella_s | we can move forward from there...we need to get knowledge regarding what's exactly needed | 15:26 |
| electrocucaracha | for stringfield sizes I found this bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/string-field-max-length | 15:27 |
| rossella_s | korzen, until then we have to use strings... | 15:27 |
| mhickey | rossella_s: ++; better work out issue head on | 15:27 |
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| ihrachys | I guess we need someone seasoned to spin on it real quick | 15:27 |
| rossella_s | korzen, mhickey the type investigation should be higher priority since we are kind of blocked | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | I may take it. | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | unless someone wants to | 15:27 |
| mhickey | I am open | 15:28 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, that would be great!!! | 15:28 |
| rossella_s | this week I am bug deputy so I won't have time | 15:28 |
| mhickey | rossella_s: ack! :) | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: ok let's discuss it off the meeting, I bet we can share :) | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: np, we'll tackle it. :) | 15:29 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: beers I hope! :) | 15:29 |
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| korzen | we can share beer in March | 15:29 |
| korzen | BTW, travel already booked from my site | 15:29 |
| mhickey | korzen: if I can make it... | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | definitely. it's Czech Republic, ya know | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: you MUST! | 15:29 |
| slunkad | ihrachys: I would like to help if I can in anyway | 15:29 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: trying my best | 15:30 |
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| mhickey | I do like the Czech Beer | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | korzen: nice. we'll do the personal round call later on who's in | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | ok, one more thing related to objects | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | ajo landed 1st piece of rpc callbacks rolling upgrade: https://review.openstack.org/265347 | 15:30 |
| rossella_s | noticed that | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | and another piece was due to be avail for review today: https://review.openstack.org/268040 (probably not there yet?) | 15:31 |
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| mhickey | ajo: ++ | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | so keep an eye :) | 15:31 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, got it! | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | ok let's switch to other non-object-y stuff | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | #topic Other patches | 15:31 |
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| ihrachys | korzen shared a link with me for a nice patch lately | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124946/ | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | that one adds a framework that allows to add test resources to new alembic scripts and run migrations with them as part of test suite | 15:32 |
| rossella_s | sweet | 15:33 |
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| ihrachys | so you could merge a script that e.g. adds a field to an object, and make sure the script is working with some objects of that type pre-inserted | 15:33 |
| ajo | :) | 15:33 |
| mhickey | nice | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | still in deep review, but seems to be in right hands | 15:33 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, we can use that to test the type stuff ;) | 15:33 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: right you are, I guess | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | also mhickey has some doc patch for db upgrade procedures for ops | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276335/ | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | have a look, complain, review ;) | 15:34 |
| rossella_s | oh yes | 15:34 |
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| ihrachys | note it's ops visible, not dev docs | 15:34 |
| rossella_s | we are such a productive team :) | 15:34 |
| korzen | I would like to start the 'create an hook to modify the object field before writing in the DB' if anyone else is not interested | 15:35 |
| mhickey | rossella_s: not bug deputy week! :) | 15:35 |
| korzen | as it is in the backlock | 15:35 |
| korzen | log* | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | korzen: not sure what's that. but I guess I just need to get my hands dirty with subnet patch to understand the context. | 15:36 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, it's commented on the review | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | right, I won't bother you explaining that to me now | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | fyi the review mentioned is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264273 | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | any other patches we should care about? | 15:37 |
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| korzen | ihrachys, yes, the case is that we do not have place to modify the params before pushing in to DB | 15:37 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, I had to refresh my memory about it..anyway korzen explained that | 15:38 |
| korzen | it is needed when we have different OVO and DB params naming | 15:38 |
| korzen | the thing is to get common method in base class | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | oh ok I think I follow now | 15:38 |
| korzen | and overdie it in child classes | 15:38 |
| korzen | this would reduce the need to override the create,update,delete methods | 15:39 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: btw is the patch for sphinx integration for db models in review? | 15:39 |
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| ihrachys | ok I see it now | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274874/ | 15:40 |
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| ihrachys | need to add to the wiki | 15:40 |
| * ihrachys will do it later | 15:40 | |
| ihrachys | ok I guess no more patches | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | let's move on | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:40 |
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| electrocucaracha | yes, but I have concerns about the pydot dependency that doesn't support py34 | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: but docs job is py27 only, right? | 15:41 |
| electrocucaracha | yes | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: then what's the concern, for now? | 15:41 |
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| ihrachys | oh I think I know what it is... is it because the dep is part of test-requirements? | 15:42 |
| electrocucaracha | it's just that it's displayed in gerrit | 15:42 |
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| ihrachys | what do you mean? | 15:43 |
| electrocucaracha | I was thinking that maybe that could be a roadblock for merging that change... but if it's ok for me it's better | 15:44 |
| electrocucaracha | in the other hand I'm looking for alternatives like pydot3 | 15:45 |
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| electrocucaracha | but I saw that they have some issues | 15:45 |
| electrocucaracha | https://github.com/log0/pydot3/issues/1 | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I think yes, since we have it in test-requirements.txt, it may be an issue | 15:45 |
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| ihrachys | but you can try to add a python27 marker to your dep | 15:45 |
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| ihrachys | can't find an example just now, but will give you one later. | 15:46 |
| electrocucaracha | perfect, I didn't know that exists something to difference them | 15:47 |
| rossella_s | I wanted to raise another point...maybe we should create a topic branch to speed things up | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | let's get it solved off the meeting. | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: all for it. suggestions? | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | "ovo"? :) nice and short and cryptic! | 15:47 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys yeah! | 15:47 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, actually I wanted to ask you if you see downsides...you did that for qos right? | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | thoughts folks? | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: yeah we had a topic for qos. worked smooth. | 15:48 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, cool | 15:48 |
| rossella_s | so we can get things moving | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | especially since we needed to track stuff in other repos too | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | and then we can deprecate the list of patches on wiki | 15:49 |
| rossella_s | yeah | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | I guess everyone is for it? :) | 15:49 |
| korzen | agree | 15:49 |
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| mhickey | agree | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | ok, then let's use 'ovo' everywhere. | 15:50 |
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| ihrachys | the topic is not currently used by anyone in the whole openstack world, so should be fine | 15:50 |
| rossella_s | haha we are original | 15:51 |
| ihrachys | ok, one more thing I wanted to cover is... the code sprint. | 15:51 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, a lazy question regarding the sprint...any idea regarding the daily rate of the hotels more or less? otherwise I will check myself | 15:51 |
| ihrachys | it's due in a month, so would be cool if we start thinking of it, booking hotels and stuff. please notify me when you are 100% going, or if you have questions. | 15:51 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: I suspect it to be quite low, like 50-60 USD, but I will check for you later. | 15:52 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, no worries, I can check myself | 15:52 |
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| korzen | like I said, flight and hotel booked ;) | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | korzen: that's cool. | 15:53 |
| mhickey | tentative | 15:53 |
| rossella_s | I will write today to get the authorization | 15:53 |
| rossella_s | it should be fine | 15:53 |
| ihrachys | korzen: what's the price for you? | 15:53 |
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| korzen | 90 Euros per day in Continental? | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | oh ok. haven't actually booked anything here myself :) | 15:54 |
| rossella_s | hahah | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | probably was more optimistic than it's the case :) | 15:54 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, one thing you could check it's the special rate for RH | 15:54 |
| korzen | the Barcelo was 130Euro | 15:54 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: are you not near the officve; I thought we would have house party! :) | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | right. I may check on the price. let me talk to a local girl later in the week and get back to you if there are better offers. | 15:55 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, thanks | 15:55 |
| korzen | I hope the public transport is ok in Brno | 15:56 |
| ihrachys | ok I guess that's about it. keep up the good job. we still bootstrap things for objects, but definitely progress is here, and we'll be in good shape in a month. | 15:56 |
| ihrachys | korzen: it is, absolutely | 15:56 |
| ihrachys | kudos! | 15:56 |
| rossella_s | yay | 15:56 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 15 15:56:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-02-15-15.01.html | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-02-15-15.01.txt | 15:56 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 15:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-02-15-15.01.log.html | 15:57 |
| rossella_s | bye | 15:57 |
| mhickey | thanks, bye all | 15:57 |
| korzen | ok, thanks, bye all | 15:57 |
| rossella_s | thank you | 15:57 |
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| dims | #startmeeting oslo | 16:01 |
| dims | courtesy ping for GheRivero, amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, harlowja, haypo, | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 15 16:01:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dims. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| dims | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, spamaps | 16:01 |
| dims | courtesy ping for sergmelikyan, sreshetnyak, sileht, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek, gcb | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| dims | courtesy ping for dukhlov, lxsli, rbradfor, mikal, nakato, tcammann1, browne, | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:01 |
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| redrobot | ohai repose fo/ | 16:01 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:01 |
| redrobot | o/ | 16:01 |
| jecarey_ | o/ | 16:01 |
| dukhlov | o/ | 16:01 |
| haypo | o/ | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 16:01 |
| bknudson_ | hi | 16:02 |
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| dims | hello everyone! | 16:02 |
| dims | let's get started | 16:02 |
| dims | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | nothing from neutron side, fwiw | 16:02 |
| bknudson_ | nothing for keystone that I know of | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Nothing that I know of from Cinder. | 16:03 |
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| dims | thanks ihrachys bknudson_ jungleboyj | 16:03 |
| toabctl | hi | 16:03 |
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| dims | #topic Releases for Mitaka | 16:03 |
| dims | This week is the last week to get code into Mitaka!! We may do releases with g-r updates towards the end and bug fixes if necessary, but please wrap up work. | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases for Mitaka (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:03 | |
| rbradfor | o/ | 16:03 |
| dims | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280228/ - Release for this week | 16:03 |
| dims | hi rbradfor and toabctl | 16:03 |
| bknudson_ | it was nice to see the config generator putting stuff in the right order again! | 16:04 |
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| dims | bknudson_ : yay | 16:04 |
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| dims | that should cover all except pbr, expecting Nakato and lifeless to request a pbr release | 16:05 |
| stevemar | bknudson_: ++ | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | That will be good. | 16:05 |
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| dims | #topic Using our CI instead of travis | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Using our CI instead of travis (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:05 | |
| dims | made good progress | 16:05 |
| dims | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dims-periodic-jobs | 16:05 |
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| dims | need one review merged in neutron for all the jobs to go green - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279117/ | 16:06 |
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| dims | working with mtreinish to put up the pass/fail graphs on healthcheck web site | 16:06 |
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| dims | which is here - http://status.openstack.org//openstack-health/#/ | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | dims: will take a look | 16:06 |
| dims | after next week i'll nuke my travis site and we'll all have to look at these jobs to see what we broke | 16:07 |
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| dims | if any, before cutting releases | 16:07 |
| dims | any questions? | 16:07 |
| bknudson_ | is an email sent if the periodic job fails? | 16:07 |
| dims | bknudson_ : no | 16:07 |
| haypo | FYI there was an eventlet disaster last week, i hope that all issues will be fixed in the new release eventlet 0.18.3: http://eventlet.net/doc/changelog.html | 16:08 |
| dims | bknudson_ : logstash query works right now, so that's the first place to look | 16:08 |
| dims | bknudson_ : in a week we should have the pass/fail on health check as well, so it's going to be check there first before you propose a new release | 16:09 |
| haypo | (the eventlet 0.18.2 release broke OpenStack Keystone gate) | 16:09 |
| dims | haypo : haven't kicked the tires yet, need to check on https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1544801 | 16:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1544801 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Constant tracebacks with eventlet 0.18.2" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:09 |
| dims | #topic Open discussion | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:10 | |
| bknudson_ | I proposed a change to oslo.policy to support YAML | 16:10 |
| bknudson_ | So first I proposed it to oslo-specs but then I moved it to keystone-specs | 16:10 |
| dims | bknudson_ : ack, will go take a look | 16:11 |
| bknudson_ | anyways, turns out it should be pretty easy since the YAML parser reads JSON | 16:11 |
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| haypo | dims: oh, i forgot this issue... too many eventlet issues /o\ | 16:11 |
| dims | :) | 16:11 |
| dims | This week is the last week to get code into Mitaka!! We may do releases with g-r updates towards the end and bug fixes if necessary, but please wrap up work. | 16:11 |
| bknudson_ | so the tricky part is figuring out the config options | 16:11 |
| haypo | dims: there was an issue on glance, then on keystone, but also regression on wsgi, etc. | 16:11 |
| dims | haypo : can you throw a heads up email on -dev@ please? y, too many breaks | 16:12 |
| bknudson_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279748/ oslo.policy in json | 16:12 |
| haypo | "Open discussion" oh, i have an issue on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256443/ : my bugfix cannot be merged in liberty, but i didn't check why | 16:12 |
| bknudson_ | oslo.policy in JSON | 16:12 |
| haypo | dims asked me to disable a gate, i don't recall which one :-p | 16:12 |
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| dims | haypo : try the #openstack-stable channel, mriedem or tonyb are usually good at diagnosing these | 16:13 |
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| dims | haypo : guessing gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-src-oslo.service | 16:13 |
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| haypo | dims: let's move the discussion to #openstack-stable (i just joined the channel) | 16:14 |
| dims | +1 haypo | 16:14 |
| haypo | dims: ok, i write write an email for eventlet 0.18.3 | 16:14 |
| dims | thanks | 16:15 |
| dims | one more - oslotest seems to be breaking on a test case which means projects may run into it too https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslotest/+bug/1545576 | 16:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1545576 in oslotest "FAIL: tests.unit.test_base.TestBaseTestCase.test_mock_patch_cleanup_on_teardown" [Undecided,New] | 16:15 |
| dims | last one on my list was - there's a new kid in the block - pycryptodome : details here - http://markmail.org/message/sndkv54gfgt7kz6a | 16:16 |
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| dims | redrobot ozamiatin jecarey_ dukhlov ihrachys jungleboyj toabctl rbradfor - anything else? | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | dims: Not from me. | 16:18 |
| ihrachys | nope | 16:18 |
| ozamiatin | dims: no | 16:18 |
| toabctl | no | 16:18 |
| rbradfor | nothing from me. | 16:18 |
| jecarey_ | no | 16:18 |
| dukhlov | dukhlov: not today | 16:18 |
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| dims | cool, don't forget to play oslo.bingo :) http://markmail.org/message/cvwvhm2koxifm5lu | 16:18 |
| dims | hat tip to rbradfor | 16:19 |
| haypo | FYI we are still making progress on python 3 | 16:19 |
| rbradfor | dims, actually I simplied it | 16:19 |
| haypo | all horizon unit tests now pass on python 3, i'm close to having porting all cinder unit tests too | 16:19 |
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| dims | rbradfor : cool. details? | 16:19 |
| rbradfor | dims, looking for etherpade, give me a sec | 16:20 |
| dims | oh, oslo.privsep is doing well, needs adopters - i think os-brick was the first one | 16:20 |
| rbradfor | We have simplified the game to just picking the next word -- http://j.mp/Oslo-bingo-Mitaka | 16:20 |
| rbradfor | (rlossit wasn't happy he still hasn't seen jazzed :)) | 16:20 |
| rbradfor | Twitter feed at https://twitter.com/OsloBingo | 16:20 |
| rbradfor | should send out an email about that. | 16:20 |
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| dims | rbradfor : nice, thanks | 16:20 |
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| rbradfor | dims, glad you like the light Oslo humor! | 16:21 |
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| jungleboyj | rbradfor: Love it. | 16:21 |
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| dims | thanks everyon | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you! | 16:22 |
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| dims | i may be on a plane next week, so if there are any volunteers to run the meeting, please ping me | 16:23 |
| dims | #endmeeting | 16:23 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-02-15-16.01.html | 16:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-02-15-16.01.txt | 16:23 |
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| mfedosin | Courtesy meeting reminder: nikhil_k, ativelkov, mfedosin, docaedo, dshakhray, kfox111, kairat, nikhil, sudipto | 17:30 |
| nikhil | o/ | 17:30 |
| sudipto | o/ | 17:30 |
| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:30 |
| mfedosin | hi folks! | 17:30 |
| mfedosin | let's begin | 17:30 |
| mfedosin | #startmeeting glance_artifacts_sub_team | 17:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 15 17:30:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mfedosin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:30 |
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| nikhil | hi | 17:30 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance_artifacts_sub_team' | 17:30 |
| mfedosin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-artifacts-sub-team-meeting-agenda | 17:30 |
| mfedosin | so, we don't have a lot of items today | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | I promised to do many things last week, but Nova broke my plans :( | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | Anyway we have news | 17:31 |
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| mfedosin | #topic Updates | 17:32 |
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| mfedosin | 1. Glare is officially here | 17:32 |
| mfedosin | Alex patch was merged last week and it's the first commit in Glare service | 17:32 |
| mfedosin | I congratulate you all | 17:32 |
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| mfedosin | 2. FAQ is almost done | 17:33 |
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| nikhil | \o/ | 17:33 |
| mfedosin | Last week on glance meeting we decided to put this doc into Glance repo | 17:33 |
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| sudipto | mfedosin, I put a couple of questions on the FAQ doc...wondering if you are referring to the google drive one. | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | sudipto: I saw them | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | but had no chance to answer :( | 17:34 |
| kzaitsev_mb | mfedosin: can you please share a link to FAQ? | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | as I mentioned Nova ate all my time | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | kzaitsev_mb: sure, wait a sec | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | you can find it in the agend btw | 17:35 |
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| sudipto | mfedosin, ok..np.. | 17:35 |
| nikhil | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D4Hik0-XNqwi43gxtybCs9-fMqh5IAIu8CHB33e46OQ/edit?pref=2&pli=1 | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D4Hik0-XNqwi43gxtybCs9-fMqh5IAIu8CHB33e46OQ/edit | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | yes, thanks Nikhil | 17:35 |
| kzaitsev_mb | oh, I see, I thought it would be a rst doc or smth =) | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | sudipto: and thank you for your comments | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | kzaitsev_mb: it wiil be published this week | 17:36 |
| kzaitsev_mb | but I guess that'd be phase 2 =) | 17:36 |
| kzaitsev_mb | cool | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | I suppose on Wednesday | 17:36 |
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| mfedosin | 3. API spec and stuff | 17:37 |
| mfedosin | we're working with kairat today and we are going to spend all tomorrow day brainstorming it | 17:38 |
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| kairat | o/ | 17:38 |
| mfedosin | we want to create a doc and supply it with possible use cases | 17:38 |
| mfedosin | hi kairat | 17:38 |
| kairat | Hi mfedosin, sorry for being late | 17:39 |
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| mfedosin | I'm talking about our decision to spent next day brainstorming API | 17:39 |
| nikhil | kzaitsev_mb: that's the plan to create rst once it's in a non-draft phase. this is initial/informal thoughts. | 17:39 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | yep, makes sense | 17:40 |
| mfedosin | About use cases, I wrote a small document today | 17:40 |
| nikhil | anyway, we can connect remotely to that conversation? | 17:40 |
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| nikhil | oops, I meant "is there any way" | 17:40 |
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| mfedosin | nikhil: it will be awesome if you can | 17:41 |
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| nikhil | I would love to if possible. No big deal if it's a hassle. | 17:41 |
| mfedosin | I would prefer to do it in IRC | 17:41 |
| nikhil | ++ | 17:41 |
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| mfedosin | but you can choose any possible mean of communication | 17:42 |
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| mfedosin | so, about use cases -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QiM_QSeP8Il05wRKJ3zfzj_xTh_jSHPoa8u1rWIkh2c/edit# | 17:42 |
| nikhil | I think we *could* call a ad-hoc meeting on #openstack-meeting-cp if needed. | 17:42 |
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| mfedosin | there will be more, of course | 17:43 |
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| mfedosin | I created it about an hour ago and it's hard to write more in this amount of time | 17:44 |
| nikhil | oh, that doc looks really good! | 17:44 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: so, what time do you prefer? | 17:44 |
| mfedosin | 1730 UTC is fine? | 17:44 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: totally | 17:44 |
| nikhil | anytime after 1400UTC if fine | 17:44 |
| mfedosin | +1 | 17:45 |
| nikhil | I can go a bit earlier if needed. | 17:45 |
| mfedosin | not necessary, I'll work from home tomorrow | 17:45 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: can you please add some edit/comments rights to that doc? I can only view it for now. | 17:45 |
| nikhil | great, this time is perfect for me. | 17:46 |
| mfedosin | so, that's the plan | 17:46 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: done | 17:46 |
| nikhil | woks | 17:46 |
| nikhil | works* | 17:46 |
| mfedosin | there're all updates I have | 17:47 |
| mfedosin | next topic is dedicated to our customers | 17:47 |
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| mfedosin | today we have kzaitsev_mb from app-catalog | 17:47 |
| mfedosin | and brucet from Tacker | 17:48 |
| mfedosin | #topic Customer Requirements | 17:48 |
| brucet | You want some background for Tacker? | 17:48 |
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| mfedosin | brucet: hello sir and welcome | 17:48 |
| mfedosin | thanks you for joining us | 17:48 |
| brucet | Thx | 17:49 |
| mfedosin | yes, I want to know what things you need from Glare | 17:49 |
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| mfedosin | except basic catalog of immutable metadata with blobs | 17:49 |
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| brucet | Just sent you email on this | 17:50 |
| brucet | Will repeat here | 17:50 |
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| mfedosin | I see it | 17:51 |
| brucet | We want to understand next things: what meta fields you have, | 17:51 |
| brucet | brucet> By meta fields, I assume you mean descriptive metadata for the artifacts? If so, then there will be similar metadata to what’s used in Murano. The packages that will be stored in the repository are similar to what’s used for application packages in Murano. | 17:51 |
| mfedosin | it's exactly what we want to understand | 17:51 |
| brucet | OK. You want me to repeat here?? | 17:51 |
| mfedosin | brucet: yup | 17:51 |
| nikhil | yes please | 17:52 |
| brucet | OK first question above | 17:52 |
| brucet | mfedosin> how many blobs (application packages) per artifact you suppose to use, | 17:52 |
| brucet | brucet> Again, similar to Murano. A VNF is a specialized application used to perform operations on packets. The requirements are similar (not exactly the same) as for an application package in Murano. | 17:52 |
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| brucet | mfedosin> do you need artifact dependencies or custom logic, and so on… | 17:53 |
| brucet | brucet> Artifact dependancies are described in an NFV orchestration template. Each NFV “package” will include an NFV orchestration template which describes dependancies. It would be somewhat redundant to include these dependancies in the repository as well. | 17:53 |
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| brucet | <mfedosin> Anything else? | 17:54 |
| mfedosin | Thanks again! For the first time this information is enough. | 17:54 |
| brucet | OK | 17:54 |
| nikhil | AFAIU, the plan is to develop a mechanism using oslo.vo that will understand specific requirements of the metadata for each service | 17:54 |
| nikhil | so, I think if we can get a list of the already used/req metadata then it would be useful. | 17:55 |
| nikhil | thoughts? | 17:55 |
| mfedosin | I'm okay with it | 17:55 |
| nikhil | as in the movies example given here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QiM_QSeP8Il05wRKJ3zfzj_xTh_jSHPoa8u1rWIkh2c/edit?pref=2&pli=1 | 17:55 |
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| brucet | You want this type of example for Tacker? | 17:56 |
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| mfedosin | But anyway I want to work closely with the developers at the time of writing a plugin. | 17:57 |
| nikhil | yeah, that would be quite useful I think. | 17:57 |
| brucet | OK | 17:57 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: ++ | 17:57 |
| mfedosin | brucet: it's not urgent and you can send me a email when you want | 17:58 |
| brucet | OK | 17:58 |
| mfedosin | cool :) | 17:58 |
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| mfedosin | kzaitsev_mb: do you have something to add? | 17:58 |
| kzaitsev_mb | before the meeting ends — my 0.05$ in app-catalog we've made 1st steps to use glare. I believe it should be pretty straightforward for us | 17:58 |
| sudipto | nikhil, on your last point on developing a oslo.vo - do you mean objects of each type of metadata having a preset of fields? | 17:58 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276857/ | 17:58 |
| kzaitsev_mb | would love to get some feedback from you guys | 17:58 |
| mfedosin | sudipto: that's right | 17:59 |
| nikhil | kzaitsev_mb: this is great news!! | 17:59 |
| nikhil | sudipto: what mfedosin said :) | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | kzaitsev_mb: I love you | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | awesome work | 17:59 |
| nikhil | a day late, are you? :P :P | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | unfortunately time is over | 18:00 |
| mfedosin | thanks for joining us today | 18:01 |
| brucet | Thx | 18:01 |
| mfedosin | and see you next week | 18:01 |
| mfedosin | btw, API spec will be published by that time | 18:01 |
| mfedosin | kairat and me promise that :) | 18:01 |
| mfedosin | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 15 18:01:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts_sub_team/2016/glance_artifacts_sub_team.2016-02-15-17.30.html | 18:01 |
| kairat | bye | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts_sub_team/2016/glance_artifacts_sub_team.2016-02-15-17.30.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts_sub_team/2016/glance_artifacts_sub_team.2016-02-15-17.30.log.html | 18:01 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 15 19:00:39 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:00 |
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| pvaneck | o/ | 19:01 |
| alexandrelevine | o/ | 19:01 |
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| catherineD | #chair sslypushenko: | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Current chairs: catherineD sslypushenko: | 19:01 |
| catherineD | I have a hard stop at 19:30 UTC sslypushenko: will run the meeting after that ... | 19:02 |
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| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-02-15 | 19:03 |
| catherineD | #topic RefStack Speaker Session | 19:03 |
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| andrey-mp | o/ | 19:04 |
| catherineD | #link Please vote for RefStack speaker sesson: https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/Presentation/7575 | 19:04 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: did you get th agenda link? | 19:04 |
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| andrey-mp | yeah | 19:05 |
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| andrey-mp | I agree with part 2 :) | 19:05 |
| catherineD | could you please vote for th speaker session | 19:05 |
| andrey-mp | 2.1 just create branch when it needs and cherry pick patches into | 19:06 |
| catherineD | #topic RefStack tag release | 19:06 |
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| andrey-mp | i already voted last week | 19:06 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: thx | 19:06 |
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| catherineD | if we go with tag release | 19:06 |
| catherineD | how do we handle bug fix | 19:07 |
| catherineD | ? | 19:07 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 19:07 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: hi | 19:07 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: alexandrelevine: my concern about tag release is a process for us to handle bug fix | 19:08 |
| andrey-mp | 1. create branch on tag commit 2. cherry-pick patch onto this branch 3. test all. 4. commit something else 5. create new tag 6. move tag in puppet-refstack | 19:08 |
| andrey-mp | we will branch creation only once at each N.x.x tag | 19:09 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: do we have any other project that hosted by infra and update with tab? | 19:09 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Did andrey-mp give the answer you're looking for? | 19:09 |
| catherineD | I thought they are all master | 19:09 |
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| andrey-mp | yes | 19:09 |
| andrey-mp | gerrit have release process | 19:10 |
| andrey-mp | nodepool for example - https://github.com/openstack-infra/nodepool/releases | 19:10 |
| andrey-mp | has 4 releases | 19:11 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: great ... | 19:11 |
| andrey-mp | this is a common process | 19:11 |
| catherineD | #topic RefStack tag release convention | 19:11 |
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| andrey-mp | all of them have different tag names but they have tags | 19:11 |
| catherineD | please take a look at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-02-15 section 2.2 ... Let me know how you think of the convention ... | 19:12 |
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| alexandrelevine | I have no objections | 19:13 |
| andrey-mp | I agree with it | 19:13 |
| alexandrelevine | We might separate our releases from OpenStack, though. | 19:13 |
| andrey-mp | most of infra projects have the same | 19:13 |
| alexandrelevine | We're not bound to others releases at all. | 19:13 |
| alexandrelevine | But in any case 1.0, 2.0 is totally fine by me :) | 19:13 |
| andrey-mp | yeah, it shouldn't be hard-linked with OpenStack | 19:13 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: agree .. I do not think so | 19:14 |
| catherineD | we can define our own convention | 19:14 |
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| catherineD | #topic Privacy data iin RefStack (private vs public) | 19:14 |
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| catherineD | alexandrelevine: DefCore did not have meeting last week | 19:14 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Now that we can commit more easily I guess it won't stop us, right? We can narrow down our response later. | 19:15 |
| catherineD | so I ask the privacy question in IRC ... I will ask DefCore again on this week's meeting | 19:15 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: so now you can create a tag on refstack repository today-tomorrow ? | 19:15 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: I think we still should be careful with our code ... after all this is not PoC | 19:16 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: I suggest we start with full response visibility and later change it if required. | 19:16 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: We are. I don't think a couple of properties in our non-production code without any registered real-life vendor is a problem. | 19:16 |
| catherineD | I would rather we start with limited info and add more | 19:16 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: It's more complicated and extra-development. I'd rather moved from simple to complicated if motivated. | 19:17 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: it will be in production in 6 weeks right? before the sumit ... at least for the vendor registration part | 19:17 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: I hope 6 weeks is enough to contact DefCore with this question and for us to update. | 19:17 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: I agree with simple if less data | 19:17 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: It's not simple then :) | 19:18 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: What do you want to limit? Do we have a list of the properties for vendor registration at all now? I guess not. | 19:18 |
| catherineD | so for th privacy data ... let's wait until Wed | 19:18 |
| alexandrelevine | ok | 19:19 |
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| catherineD | I want us to think about the private vs public data of the 2.2.1, 2.2.2, 2.2.3 | 19:19 |
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| catherineD | sorry | 19:19 |
| catherineD | not 2.2x ... :-( | 19:19 |
| catherineD | 3.1 , 3.2, 3.3 | 19:20 |
| alexandrelevine | For me everything listed is totally public. | 19:20 |
| alexandrelevine | No reason to hide it. | 19:20 |
| andrey-mp | +1 | 19:20 |
| alexandrelevine | It's general information available in other places. | 19:20 |
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| catherineD | obviously I disagree but let's wait for Wed | 19:20 |
| catherineD | moving on | 19:21 |
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| alexandrelevine | In any case it's not for us to discuss even if there is a hint of doubt. | 19:21 |
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| catherineD | #topic Vendor user management | 19:21 |
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| catherineD | For me, the only thing that stop me for these patches is th displayment of OpenID ... again I will check with DefCore on Wed | 19:22 |
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| alexandrelevine | By the way, if you want we have a suggestion about naming and grouping of UI. You can take a look here: http://52.49.129.72:8000/#/ | 19:22 |
| sslypushenko | o/ Hi, all! Sorry for the late | 19:22 |
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| catherineD | Hi sslypushenko: I will be leaving the meeting in 8 mins ... | 19:23 |
| alexandrelevine | Namely, we suggest to group Vendors, Clouds and Software to Catalog and My Catalog so that we have enough place for everything. | 19:23 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: ypu will be the chair | 19:23 |
| pvaneck | liking the drop down in the menu | 19:23 |
| sslypushenko | hmm) ok | 19:23 |
| catherineD | we are at item 4 in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-02-15 | 19:23 |
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| catherineD | alexandrelevine: thx for the link ... I can also see andrey-mp: code in my private server .. | 19:24 |
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| catherineD | #topic Vendor REST APIs | 19:27 |
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| sslypushenko | looks like RefStacks need some kind of UX expert) | 19:27 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko: agreed ... | 19:27 |
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| catherineD | as our UI becomes richer ... Usability becomes important | 19:27 |
| catherineD | I need to leave in 2 mins ... | 19:28 |
| catherineD | my today is ... make sure to get answer from DefCore on private vs public data | 19:28 |
| andrey-mp | this is also related to release process - we can implement something and change UI in parallel :) | 19:28 |
| catherineD | sorry got to go now ... will check the log later | 19:28 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD: np | 19:29 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: pls remember to end the meeting | 19:29 |
| sslypushenko | sure | 19:29 |
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| andrey-mp | will we discuss now item 4 before talking with Defcore? | 19:30 |
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| alexandrelevine | andrey-mp: We just did as I understand. CatherineD went checking with DefCore | 19:31 |
| pvaneck | I don't really see the issue with using openid | 19:31 |
| alexandrelevine | pvaneck: CatherineD apparently does. | 19:31 |
| andrey-mp | pvaneck: me too | 19:31 |
| pvaneck | feel like it's synonymous with a username | 19:32 |
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| pvaneck | hogepoge: you are leaning towards openid should be kept private? | 19:33 |
| pvaneck | just based on the agenda tidbit | 19:33 |
| andrey-mp | if we make OpenID private we will need another unique identifier for the REST api (because we don't have it) | 19:34 |
| andrey-mp | let's move to another comments? | 19:34 |
| sslypushenko | I also think that there is no reason to hide openID | 19:34 |
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| andrey-mp | first comment is about usefulness 'name' in get request | 19:36 |
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| andrey-mp | and second is about ecnoding OpenID in pu/delete requests | 19:36 |
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| andrey-mp | my third comment - we need some method like 'find_user(pattern)' but it doesn't related this doc... | 19:37 |
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| sslypushenko | it looks that we again dig to deep into details | 19:40 |
| sslypushenko | I'm talking about encoding now | 19:40 |
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| andrey-mp | ok, we can move this details into implementation and forget it in the spec | 19:41 |
| sslypushenko | any data can be put into url... so any kind of encodinf will work here | 19:42 |
| andrey-mp | I thought that it is a significant detail | 19:42 |
| andrey-mp | but it will not be a real OpenID | 19:43 |
| sslypushenko | In python there is a default url safe encoding/decoding - lets use it and that is all | 19:44 |
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| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: Honestly speaking, it seems that we're a little too much into specs now. Especially when we write them on top of implementation. Maybe it'll be faster to present code and a site as a prototype and agree upon result with necessary tweaking without duplicating it in specs? What do you think? | 19:44 |
| sslypushenko | alexandrelevine: yeap you are right. It is mainly because catherineD wants to control the process | 19:45 |
| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: Specs as a means for initial design and planning are good for distributed development and complicated stuff to agree upon something beforehand. But it's not the case here with us at the moment. | 19:45 |
| sslypushenko | you are right again) but... | 19:46 |
| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: It's as easy to control with code reviews. She has the final say. | 19:46 |
| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: Maybe we can talk about it next time? I think we're just loosing time with it at the current stage. | 19:46 |
| sslypushenko | It would be easy if catherineD was an developer)) | 19:47 |
| pvaneck | in regards to name in the vendor users request, I feel that sure we can have it, but it may not be entirely useful for the beginning phases when vendors don't really have many users. | 19:47 |
| sslypushenko | alexandrelevine: Just don't take spec writing process to close | 19:47 |
| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: Nobody's taking the control and nobody wants to. But specs were introduced in nova initially and they were designed to be used only to help, when really needed. Not for every single step. | 19:47 |
| sslypushenko | spec can be adjusted to prototype if it is working for all | 19:48 |
| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: Whatever for? What's the point of it if it's not used as a pre-implementation design agreement instrument? | 19:48 |
| andrey-mp | pvaneck: I agree. it may be useful later. | 19:48 |
| alexandrelevine | andrey-mp: What name are you talking about, sorry? | 19:49 |
| sslypushenko | In our case - spec it is kind of documentation | 19:49 |
| andrey-mp | first comment is about usefulness 'name' in get request | 19:49 |
| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: :) Come on. | 19:49 |
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| sslypushenko | alexandrelevine: Really) | 19:49 |
| andrey-mp | sslypushenko: and we can write it after implementation? :) | 19:50 |
| sslypushenko | So just move as fast as you can in implementation and if it is working for all - we can just specs later | 19:50 |
| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: Ok :) | 19:51 |
| andrey-mp | ok :) | 19:51 |
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| sslypushenko | it is not about writing | 19:51 |
| sslypushenko | it more about details | 19:51 |
| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: Though this is idea of specs turned upside down. | 19:51 |
| sslypushenko | yeap | 19:52 |
| sslypushenko | It is opensource))) | 19:52 |
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| alexandrelevine | About the name. I'm totally against it. | 19:53 |
| sslypushenko | alexandrelevine: agreed | 19:53 |
| alexandrelevine | It can be OpenID as an identifier but not name. | 19:53 |
| andrey-mp | alexandrelevine: in such case it doesn't needed at all | 19:53 |
| alexandrelevine | If we want to filter by something we should allow for expansion of this place so we should create "filter" and then put "name" and whatever else into it. | 19:53 |
| sslypushenko | hmmm , are you talking about list endpoint? | 19:53 |
| andrey-mp | why we need filter by vendor_id and openID if it can work only by openID? | 19:54 |
| alexandrelevine | Otherwise we'll end up by adding more and more fields into the request to provide different filters. | 19:54 |
| sslypushenko | I think we should introduce filtering in some other way | 19:54 |
| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: yes | 19:54 |
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| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: Agree. When we need it. Not in first round. | 19:54 |
| sslypushenko | in some more general way, I can say | 19:54 |
| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: ++ | 19:54 |
| andrey-mp | so, filtering doesn't needed at all in this request | 19:54 |
| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: Right now filtering can be done on client-side throughout our puny 100 Vendors. | 19:55 |
| sslypushenko | for the time being - definately | 19:55 |
| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: So no "name" in list. | 19:55 |
| sslypushenko | yeap | 19:55 |
| pvaneck | agree, no need for filtering users in vendors now | 19:55 |
| sslypushenko | #agree, no need for filtering users in vendors now | 19:56 |
| sslypushenko | hope this will worl)) | 19:56 |
| andrey-mp | let's move to item 5 or to refstack channel? ) | 19:56 |
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| sslypushenko | *work | 19:56 |
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| sslypushenko | yeap | 19:56 |
| sslypushenko | I have 10-15 mins | 19:57 |
| sslypushenko | so #endmeeting | 19:57 |
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| sslypushenko | Thx to all for attending) | 19:57 |
| pvaneck | i think #endmeeting in own line | 19:57 |
| sslypushenko | #endmeeting | 19:58 |
| sslypushenko | hmmm) | 19:58 |
| alexandrelevine | :))) | 19:58 |
| redrobot | sslypushenko no space before #endmeeting | 19:58 |
| alexandrelevine | we're doomed | 19:58 |
| sslypushenko | #endmeeting | 19:58 |
| sslypushenko | oops) | 19:58 |
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| redrobot | sslypushenko I think you broke it | 19:59 |
| redrobot | :-P | 19:59 |
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| sslypushenko | one more time | 19:59 |
| sslypushenko | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
| sslypushenko | nope( | 19:59 |
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| pvaneck | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | redrobot: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| catherineD | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 15 20:00:57 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-02-15-19.00.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-02-15-19.00.txt | 20:01 |
| redrobot | I guess the meetbot has a mid of their own today | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-02-15-19.00.log.html | 20:01 |
| redrobot | catherineD thanks! | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 15 20:01:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:01 |
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| jmckind | o/ | 20:01 |
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| arunkant | o/ | 20:01 |
| rellerreller | o/ | 20:01 |
| diazjf | o/ | 20:01 |
| silos | \o/ | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | guess people are out for the US holiday? | 20:02 |
| jhfeng | o/ | 20:02 |
| jmckind | guess so... | 20:02 |
| redrobot | in any case, we got lots to talk about today, so let's get started! | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #topic Action Items | 20:02 |
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| rellerreller | Snowing on east coast, so may be missing for that. | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-02-08-20.01.html | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #note redrobot sucks at action items | 20:03 |
| redrobot | hehe | 20:03 |
| diazjf | rellerreller, I was in NYC this weekend 5 degrees!! | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:03 |
| redrobot | Trying to get something organized for the SA/Austin Barbican guild... I was hoping to be able to do something this week, but I think I won't be able to do it until next week. I'll keep y'all posted diazjf and silos | 20:04 |
| diazjf | redrobot, thanks! yeah next week is perfect as well. | 20:04 |
| redrobot | diazjf silos did you have a preference of whole day/ afternoon + evening / evening only ? | 20:04 |
| silos | redrobot: kk. no worries. | 20:04 |
| diazjf | redrobot, we can do an all day event | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | diazjf ok, I'll keep that in mind for tomorrow when we'll be sorting out the details. | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | as far as the security bugs / designate, I haven't made much progress there | 20:05 |
| edtubill | o/ | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | and by not much, I mean none at all | 20:05 |
| diazjf | redrobot, sounds good! | 20:05 |
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| mp1 | o / | 20:06 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on to today's agenda | 20:06 |
| redrobot | which, as usua, can be found here: | 20:06 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda | 20:06 |
| redrobot | #topic Go over keystone middleware in Credential Factory | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | diazjf your topic | 20:06 |
| diazjf | hey everyone, checkout https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273863/11/castellan/common/utils.py | 20:07 |
| diazjf | rellerreller ^ | 20:07 |
| diazjf | I was wondering if services which use keystonemiddleware auth should be able to pass the _TokenData directly from the context | 20:08 |
| redrobot | diazjf I'd guess no since it's marked as private api | 20:08 |
| rellerreller | diazjf I did not understand that bottom comment. | 20:08 |
| diazjf | rellerreller, example: In swift you can do "context = env.get('keystone.token_auth').user" | 20:08 |
| diazjf | And that contains all the items needed to a keystone token | 20:09 |
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| diazjf | Is it ok to only have auth_token and project_id | 20:10 |
| diazjf | as seen in the patch | 20:10 |
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| rellerreller | I'm ok with it. | 20:10 |
| diazjf | rellerreller, ok cool, in swift there would need to be a switch in the config or something that lets them switch between using context or config file | 20:11 |
| diazjf | but I guess thats upto swift | 20:11 |
| * redrobot needs to look into the patch before having an opinion | 20:12 | |
| diazjf | I was just thinking in the swift keymaster they would want a way to switch between both | 20:12 |
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| diazjf | I'll see if I can get janie, and john to take a look at it this week | 20:13 |
| rellerreller | diazjf could swift not always use token auth type? | 20:13 |
| diazjf | so they could use token auth type, but there needs to be a way of switching between current usesr(context for env) and service user(config) values. | 20:14 |
| diazjf | I may be just over thinking this :/ | 20:14 |
| rellerreller | I understand. I don't think the credential factory can help much there. | 20:15 |
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| diazjf | rellerreller, yeah I was thinking of whether to have another type for auth_type for that or if it was up to swift | 20:15 |
| diazjf | either way iteration 1 should just allow for service users | 20:15 |
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| rellerreller | If they were ok with username and password then could choose that type. That would override any context passed in. | 20:16 |
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| rellerreller | The performance might suffer, but I'm not sure. | 20:16 |
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| panatl | o/ | 20:17 |
| rellerreller | It seems that if Swift will have two contexts (one for user and one for service) then code for which one to use should go in Swift. | 20:17 |
| redrobot | rellerreller +1 | 20:18 |
| diazjf | rellerreller, understood. thanks :) | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:19 |
| redrobot | #topic pycryptodome | 20:19 |
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| redrobot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086509.html | 20:19 |
| redrobot | In case you missed it, it appears that there's a new crypto library in town called cryptodome | 20:19 |
| redrobot | it appears that it aims to be a drop-in replacement for pycrypto | 20:20 |
| redrobot | however, they're not doing a very good job with compatibility, so even though they use the same namespaces, Barbican will break if you install pycryptodome | 20:20 |
| redrobot | doesn't seem to be an issue if you install pycrypto after installing pycryptodome | 20:21 |
| redrobot | The thread is ongoing in the ML | 20:21 |
| rellerreller | What are our dependencies on pycrypto? How much of the space does pyca/cryptography cover? | 20:22 |
| redrobot | rellerreller last time we checked pyca/cryptography was missing a few features... that was a long time ago though, and I think pyca/cryptography should have everything we need by now. | 20:23 |
| jhfeng | redrobot: saw wail, first time to hear pycryptodome also | 20:23 |
| jhfeng | s/wail/email | 20:23 |
| redrobot | my $0.02 is that we should move to pyca/cryptography ... mostly because pure-python crypto gives me the heebie jeebies | 20:23 |
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| rellerreller | It would also be nice to be dependent on one crypto library instead of two | 20:24 |
| jhfeng | some RSA call used in pkcs11 plugin code. should be supported by cryptography also | 20:24 |
| redrobot | rellerreller +1 | 20:24 |
| diazjf | + 1 to that | 20:24 |
| redrobot | I'll try to see if I can get some time to work on the code changes to drop pycrypto | 20:25 |
| redrobot | #agreed Barbican should drop pycrypto in favor of pyca/cryptography | 20:25 |
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| jhfeng | +1, it's time to verify to move to py/ca cryptography | 20:25 |
| redrobot | that's all I wanted to talk about for this topic. I'll follow up with my findings. | 20:25 |
| redrobot | feel free to join in on the ML discussion as well | 20:26 |
| redrobot | #topic Fernando Diaz for Core | 20:26 |
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| redrobot | Just a heads up for the core reviewers that I've nominated diazjf for the Core team. | 20:26 |
| redrobot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086581.html | 20:26 |
| redrobot | Cores, please reply to the ML thread with your vote | 20:26 |
| diazjf | whoop whoop thanks redrobot, and thanks everyone for all your help!!! | 20:27 |
| redrobot | we'll revisit this next week to tally the votes | 20:28 |
| redrobot | moving on | 20:28 |
| redrobot | #topic Volunteer meeting chair for next week | 20:28 |
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| redrobot | I'll be out next Monday afternoon and need someone to chair this meeting | 20:28 |
| redrobot | any volunteers? | 20:28 |
| diazjf | redrobot, I can help out with that | 20:29 |
| redrobot | diazjf awesome! thanks. | 20:29 |
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| redrobot | #info diazjf will be meeting chair on Feb 22 | 20:29 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:30 |
| diazjf | no worries | 20:30 |
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| redrobot | #topic Barbican client cliff bug | 20:30 |
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| redrobot | silos your topic | 20:30 |
| silos | k So I looked into that cliff bug from the mid-cycle. | 20:30 |
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| silos | Turns our when the barbican client uses the —table format. Cliff will always try to encode the returned secret in utf-8. | 20:31 |
| redrobot | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-barbicanclient/+bug/1504646 | 20:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1504646 in python-barbicanclient "Get secret for symmetric secrets returns decode error" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Christopher Solis (cnsolis) | 20:31 |
| silos | redrobot: thanks. | 20:31 |
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| silos | This is problematic because some things returned from Barbican can't be encoded into utf-8. SO what I was gonna do is just throw an error and tell the client to use a different format like 'value', or 'json'. | 20:32 |
| silos | Basically I was wondering if the community is okay with not being able to 'see' the gibberish returned when retrieving things like symmetric keys through the client. | 20:32 |
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| redrobot | silos so I don't think the user actually sets --table? | 20:33 |
| redrobot | I feel like the CLI needs some serious TLC | 20:33 |
| silos | redrobot: Its default by cliff. | 20:33 |
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| silos | redrobot: unless the user sets it as something else. | 20:33 |
| redrobot | from a user perspective, I want to be able to retrieve the payload for a secret, and redirect the stdout to an environment variable or file | 20:33 |
| rellerreller | I ran into the utf-8 issue while doing the content types work. | 20:34 |
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| * rellerreller is having nightmares of content types | 20:34 | |
| redrobot | lol | 20:34 |
| silos | haha | 20:34 |
| redrobot | I still like the idea of content-types for v2 ;) | 20:34 |
| silos | redrobot: I also think this topic kind of leans towards a v2 client. | 20:34 |
| redrobot | silos I think the unified python-openstackclient could be our v2 CLI | 20:35 |
| silos | redrobot: +1 | 20:35 |
| rellerreller | I also like the content types for v2. | 20:35 |
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| rellerreller | silos could you return the value as base64 string? My guess is that will break lots of stuff because not backwards compatible. | 20:36 |
| redrobot | silos want to collaborate on what the unified CLI should do? ... I want to approach it from the POV of someone using the CLI to store/retrieve keys, without tying ourselves to REST workflows | 20:36 |
| redrobot | rellerreller yeah... that definitely sound like a breaking change | 20:37 |
| silos | rellerreller: Hmmm I haven't tried that. It's not that it can't be returned in its normal encoding. It's just that cliff will try to make it utf-8 when presenting it to the user. | 20:37 |
| redrobot | I want to be able to do stuff like: | 20:37 |
| silos | redrobot: Yea! I definitely want to see the client get some TLC. | 20:37 |
| redrobot | openstack key-manager store < cat $PWD/my-secret-file | 20:37 |
| redrobot | and | 20:37 |
| redrobot | openstack key-manager payload https:///someurl > my-retrieved-secret | 20:38 |
| redrobot | but I have no idea if cliff would even be able to do that.. | 20:38 |
| redrobot | #action silos and redrobot to collaborate on an etherpad for what the unified CLI should look like | 20:38 |
| redrobot | silos as far as this bug is concerned... is it possible to default to just raw output when you're fetching the payload? | 20:39 |
| redrobot | silos and leave the payload out of the secret table when showing the metadata? | 20:39 |
| silos | redrobot: I'm not sure. But I can definitely look into it. | 20:40 |
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| silos | redrobot: It would make it a lot easier if the default was something like value. | 20:40 |
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| redrobot | silos cool, we can revisit the bug next week after you've had a chance to dig into it some more | 20:42 |
| silos | redrobot: sounds good. Looks like we have a good roadmap for the client. | 20:42 |
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| silos | I think that's all from me. thanks! | 20:43 |
| redrobot | ok, that's all we had on the agenda for today | 20:43 |
| redrobot | #topic Open Discussion | 20:43 |
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| redrobot | any patches that are in need of review? | 20:43 |
| redrobot | or other topics we haven't covered? | 20:43 |
| jhfeng | redrobot yes https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279371/ | 20:43 |
| silos | pending castellan spec if anyone has some free time: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246546/ | 20:44 |
| rellerreller | silos reviewing now | 20:44 |
| silos | rellerreller: thanks! | 20:44 |
| diazjf | I have a couple baby patches https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263000/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277202/ | 20:44 |
| jhfeng | redrobot another affected cmd by p11 perf patch | 20:44 |
| redrobot | jhfeng ok, I'll take a look at it. | 20:45 |
| edtubill | If some people can take a look at the database cleanup: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269903/ | 20:45 |
| jhfeng | redrobot: thx, let me know if I need open a bug report also | 20:45 |
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| redrobot | any other topics/patches? If not we can have 10 min of our day back | 20:47 |
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| redrobot | alrighty then, sounds like this is a wrap! | 20:48 |
| redrobot | thanks everyone for coming | 20:48 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:48 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 15 20:48:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-02-15-20.01.html | 20:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-02-15-20.01.txt | 20:48 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-02-15-20.01.log.html | 20:48 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Product WG meeting today? | 21:06 |
| cloudrancher | I don't know. Nobody started anything yet | 21:06 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I wonder if we cancel it for today since there will be midcycle meeting on Th | 21:07 |
| cloudrancher | yes. probably | 21:07 |
| cloudrancher | now that I remember. yes it was | 21:07 |
| cloudrancher | cuz people will be in transit | 21:07 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK. gives me time to review open pull requests. | 21:07 |
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