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| m3m0 | #startmeeting freezer_2016_02_18 | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 18 14:01:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is m3m0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer_2016_02_18)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer_2016_02_18' | 14:01 |
| m3m0 | hello and welcome to the freezer meeting | 14:01 |
| m3m0 | as always our agenda is available here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:02 |
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| m3m0 | please raise your hand if you are here for the freezer meeting | 14:02 |
| EinstCrazy | hello | 14:02 |
| m3m0 | o/ | 14:02 |
| yangyapeng | :) | 14:02 |
| zhangjn | :) | 14:02 |
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| slashme | Plop | 14:03 |
| m3m0 | first of all welcome to zhangjn and yangyapeng | 14:04 |
| slashme | Welcome :) | 14:04 |
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| m3m0 | first order of bussines: Freezer-scheduler scheduling method (relates to https://bugs.launchpad.net/freezer/+bug/1546269) | 14:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1546269 in Freezer "When restarted, the freezer-scheduler stops executing scheduled jobs." [Undecided,New] | 14:04 |
| yangyapeng | Very happy | 14:04 |
| slashme | This one is a bad bug. | 14:05 |
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| m3m0 | this is a critical issue that we need to address soon | 14:05 |
| slashme | First, make sure you take note of it and the current workaround | 14:05 |
| m3m0 | are those workarounds the same as you propossed in the bug? | 14:06 |
| slashme | Yes, but they are not great workarounds | 14:06 |
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| slashme | I think we need to rework a bit the scheduling behaviour of the freezer-scheduler. I wrote my ideas about that on this etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_scheduler_scheduling | 14:08 |
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| m3m0 | what's the effort do you think is need it for this? | 14:08 |
| slashme | But that seems too big of a rework to implement and backport it to liberty | 14:08 |
| slashme | Maybe we can manage a quickfix by just enabling the persistent stores of APScheduler and load back the store when the scheduler is started | 14:09 |
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| m3m0 | does that mean adding a new requirenment? sqlite? | 14:09 |
| slashme | Then question is do we try to implement the bigger picture (I really think we should), and if yes, in which timeframe. Mitaka ? Newton ? | 14:10 |
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| slashme | Yes, sqlqlchemy and sqlite | 14:10 |
| m3m0 | is mitaka still viable? | 14:10 |
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| slashme | I think so, it is not really a feature | 14:11 |
| slashme | More a multi bugfix | 14:11 |
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| m3m0 | for the api, besides updating the mappings is there any other change that you might have in consideration? | 14:12 |
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| slashme | Maybe small ones, version checking maybe. | 14:13 |
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| slashme | I think that if you try submiting a job with version that is egal or inferior the the one stored in the api, it should reply with error + job curently stored under that id | 14:14 |
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| m3m0 | in order to avoid this kind s of issues in which a merge of jobs is need it | 14:21 |
| m3m0 | we need to disable the option to update jobs while they are in a running status, by doing that we avoid having versioning issues if a status and an edit happens at the same time | 14:22 |
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| m3m0 | guys, anyone has input on this? or do you require more context? | 14:24 |
| m3m0 | slashme, anything else on this topic? | 14:25 |
| slashme | Yup. | 14:25 |
| EinstCrazy | Maybe, I need some context. I think I need to reproduce this bug first. Would you give me the whole step? | 14:25 |
| slashme | So just to be clear: | 14:25 |
| slashme | - We implement a quickfix first. this one gets backported to liberty | 14:25 |
| slashme | - We implement the bigger solution on mitaka | 14:26 |
| m3m0 | EinstCrazy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/freezer/+bug/1546269 | 14:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1546269 in Freezer "When restarted, the freezer-scheduler stops executing scheduled jobs." [Undecided,New] | 14:26 |
| slashme | EinstCrazy: You have the steps writen on the bug | 14:26 |
| m3m0 | do you want to take ownership of this? | 14:27 |
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| m3m0 | or get the right people involved in this please because it has high priority | 14:28 |
| slashme | Yes | 14:28 |
| m3m0 | thanks a lot | 14:28 |
| m3m0 | next item in the agenda | 14:29 |
| m3m0 | #topic Log Levels to refactor freezer-agent's code to oslo-logging | 14:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Log Levels to refactor freezer-agent's code to oslo-logging (Meeting topic: freezer_2016_02_18)" | 14:29 | |
| m3m0 | szaher: you here? | 14:29 |
| szaher | Yes | 14:29 |
| m3m0 | could you expand a little bit more about this? | 14:30 |
| szaher | after moving to oslo.config and oslo.log we need to change almost of freezer files to use oslo.log instead of python native logging so I think it's the correct time to define log levels | 14:31 |
| szaher | we have some incorrect levels in freezer code like things that should be info and we log it as warn and so on | 14:32 |
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| szaher | we need to put a clear criteria how to define the level for the piece of code you're writing | 14:32 |
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| m3m0 | have you identified all the cases in freezer? | 14:32 |
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| szaher | No, I think we need to do it together in mid-cycle meetup | 14:33 |
| szaher | I can work on this and list all place we do logging in freezer and we discuss them in the meetup | 14:34 |
| m3m0 | so there 2 actions for this, define the logging level and update the files to work witht the new model right? | 14:34 |
| m3m0 | that could be great | 14:34 |
| szaher | Yes | 14:34 |
| m3m0 | as well if you can work on the logging level could be great | 14:34 |
| m3m0 | something like -vvvv | 14:35 |
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| slashme | Is there any OpenStack guidelines on what each log level should contain ? For example critical is only something that prevents the app from working, and so on. | 14:36 |
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| szaher | slashme https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LoggingStandards | 14:37 |
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| szaher | at the end of this page you will find a link ( http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2031163/when-to-use-log-level-warn-vs-error ) defining log levels that we should use | 14:38 |
| slashme | @szaher Perfect ! | 14:38 |
| m3m0 | grat | 14:38 |
| m3m0 | let's review them and try to follow them :) | 14:38 |
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| m3m0 | so, you wont start working on this until the mid-cycle meeting right? | 14:38 |
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| szaher | Ok ... | 14:39 |
| m3m0 | do you have anything more to add? | 14:40 |
| szaher | Yea one thing | 14:40 |
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| szaher | We need to test this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280827/2 on windows and linux as well and we need to merge it asap | 14:41 |
| m3m0 | ok, I'll try to set up a windows machine | 14:41 |
| szaher | We need this in Mitaka I think | 14:42 |
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| m3m0 | ok, please @all review this | 14:45 |
| m3m0 | well moving to the next topic | 14:45 |
| m3m0 | #topic Midcycle meetup | 14:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Midcycle meetup (Meeting topic: freezer_2016_02_18)" | 14:46 | |
| slashme | As daemontool is not present, we can't make big progress on this one | 14:46 |
| m3m0 | ddieterly zhangjn yangyapeng EinstCrazy szaher slashme | 14:47 |
| ddieterl_ | yes | 14:47 |
| EinstCrazy | Yes | 14:47 |
| yangyapeng | yes | 14:47 |
| slashme | HPE is okay to host the meetup here in Galway | 14:47 |
| szaher | Yes | 14:47 |
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| ddieterly | i'm able to travel to galway | 14:47 |
| slashme | The most important thing now is to setup a date | 14:47 |
| m3m0 | we are planning to have a mid-cycle meetup in Galway, Ireland to discuss some changes for freezer | 14:48 |
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| m3m0 | do you have have any issue if we do this in March? | 14:48 |
| ddieterly | i'm unavailable on march 1 | 14:49 |
| ddieterly | other than that, no issues | 14:49 |
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| ddieterly | how many days are we thnking? | 14:50 |
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| m3m0 | I was thinking around 17-18 to introduce people to st patricks day | 14:50 |
| ddieterly | please have the guiness ready for consumption ;-) | 14:51 |
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| slashme | We will :) | 14:51 |
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| m3m0 | it's on the requirenments.txt for the meeting | 14:51 |
| zhangjn | :) | 14:51 |
| ddieterly | excellent | 14:51 |
| m3m0 | so everyone is welcome to join | 14:52 |
| slashme | Any other contributors (beside daemontool and ddieterly) think they will make the trip ? | 14:52 |
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| m3m0 | but we'll try to update the irc | 14:52 |
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| ddieterly | is that a firm date? 17-18? | 14:53 |
| slashme | No. We need to check daemontools availability | 14:53 |
| m3m0 | nop, but we need to setup this asap | 14:53 |
| slashme | I guess we need our PTL for this kind of meetup ;) | 14:53 |
| ddieterly | ok | 14:53 |
| ddieterly | yea, that's only 4 weeks away | 14:54 |
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| m3m0 | ok we'll sync again when daemontool is available | 14:55 |
| zhangjn | we have no budget to this trip :( | 14:55 |
| m3m0 | where are you based zhangjn? | 14:55 |
| zhangjn | so you'd better update meeting info in IRC. | 14:56 |
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| zhangjn | China | 14:56 |
| m3m0 | we will :) | 14:56 |
| zhangjn | ths | 14:56 |
| m3m0 | ok guys we have 2 topics left and no time | 14:57 |
| m3m0 | should we discuss this in #openstack-freezer channel? | 14:57 |
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| ddieterly | sure | 14:57 |
| yangyapeng | ok | 14:57 |
| EinstCrazy | yes | 14:57 |
| m3m0 | and we need to send an email to the openstack community to let them know about the meeting | 14:57 |
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| m3m0 | does anyone else has something to say? | 14:58 |
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| m3m0 | that's a no :) | 14:59 |
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| m3m0 | thanks all for participate | 14:59 |
| m3m0 | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 18 14:59:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| slashme | thz m3m0 | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer_2016_02_18/2016/freezer_2016_02_18.2016-02-18-14.01.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer_2016_02_18/2016/freezer_2016_02_18.2016-02-18-14.01.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer_2016_02_18/2016/freezer_2016_02_18.2016-02-18-14.01.log.html | 14:59 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 18 15:00:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
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| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| rraja | hi | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
| tpsilva | hello | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hi | 15:00 |
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| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
| bswartz | sorry I didn't have time to look over the agenda before the meeting | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | looks like we have an extremely light agenda | 15:01 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:01 |
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| dustins | \o | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #topic feature proposal freeze | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | so feature freeze is 2 weeks away | 15:02 |
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| markstur_ | hi | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | and as usual, we're freeze new feature submissions 2 weeks early to give ourselves time to get everything reviewed/merged | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | so any new feature patches submitted after midnight UTC tonight should get automatic -2 | 15:03 |
| bswartz | new bugfixes are okay, doc changes are okay | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | between here and feature freeze we should focus on merging the current payload of feature patches | 15:04 |
| bswartz | regarding the exact timing of feature freeze | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | our goal is to cut the milestone on March 1st | 15:05 |
| bswartz | absolute latest we can cut it is March 3rd | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | which brings up another topic | 15:05 |
| bswartz | #topic gate tests | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | so at the start of Mitaka, we planned to replace the generic driver for our gate tests with 2 new drivers: LVM for no-share-server and LXD for share-server | 15:06 |
| bswartz | a lot of progress has been made on the LXD driver, but it's not ready to become our driver for gate testing | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | so expect a lot of rechecking as the generic driver continues to have stability issues and timeout issues | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | because the gate is going to get slammed towards the end of the month, we have a better chance of merging things earlier rather than later | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | hopefully for Newton, the LXD driver will have a record of stability and we can switch to it | 15:08 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | that's all I have for today | 15:09 |
| bswartz | any other topics? | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | has anyone found out about potential travel to Germany for summer midcycle? | 15:09 |
| cknight | bswartz: I have a topic. | 15:09 |
| bswartz | any definite yeses or nos? | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | alright cknight, you're up | 15:11 |
| cknight | #topic Export location metadata | 15:11 |
| cknight | We recently added export location metadata, whereby drivers may add more info about each share export path. | 15:11 |
| cknight | There is only one standard export location attribute now, is_admin_only, which identifies paths that are only available to manila admins on the control plane for things like migrations. | 15:11 |
| cknight | I'd like to propose another standard attribute, preferred, which would identify paths that are most efficient and should be tried first. | 15:12 |
| cknight | This would not require a database schema change. It only needs a microversion bump. | 15:12 |
| cknight | Thoughts? | 15:12 |
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| gouthamr | cknight: metadata is not being returned at this point i thought | 15:12 |
| gouthamr | cknight: through the REST api | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: this is the poitn of microversion bump | 15:13 |
| cknight | gouthamr: Any non-standard values are kept in the DB but not exposed via REST. | 15:13 |
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| vponomaryov | gouthamr: each metadata k-v pair can be added to API view | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: as model attr | 15:13 |
| bswartz | I don't like the idea of storing something that's not exposed | 15:13 |
| cknight | vponomaryov: it's a separate question whether *all* k-v pairs should be added to the view. | 15:14 |
| bswartz | if it's not on the approved list of keys, we shouldn't even store it | 15:14 |
| cknight | vponomaryov: I was surprised they were not. | 15:14 |
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| jcsp | cknight: is "preferred" meant to be a bool? doesn't sound very generic, as some systems would have location-dependent preferences (i.e. rather say what datacenter I'm in and let clients decide which they prefer) | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: right, that is why cknight proposes one | 15:14 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: yes, right now, in your export_locations_metadata patch, i remember you removing them from the API return | 15:14 |
| cknight | jcsp: Yes, it just says that some paths are direct to the controller that owns the disks, and some are indirect. | 15:14 |
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| gouthamr | vponomaryov cknight: so we need a bump if we're returning export_location_metadata | 15:15 |
| cknight | jcsp: Preferred is used in ALUA, I think in a similar way. | 15:15 |
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| vponomaryov | gouthamr: not whole metadata, pair, agreed one | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: and th eone is being proposed | 15:15 |
| jcsp | cknight: ALUA is a pretty hardware-ish thing to bring into a shared filesystem abstraction imho | 15:16 |
| cknight | jcsp: it's just an illustration. | 15:16 |
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| gouthamr | vponomaryov: ah; i also feel admin_export_location is also a metadata key, i dunno the reason why we have is_admin_only on all the export_locations.. | 15:16 |
| jcsp | I'm not saying it's not useful, I'm just not sure it's really generic -- maybe we should admit that all of these types of things are special cases? | 15:16 |
| cknight | jcsp: and "what datacenter I'm in" sounds a lot more lilke an AZ than what I'm proposing | 15:16 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: afterthoughts, really :) | 15:17 |
| bswartz | jcsp: we talked about the idea of a locality type of metadata key, but we couldn't agree on what format that should take | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: "is_admin_only" influences API logic | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | we have AZs as one level of locality | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: hiding/whowing ELs | 15:17 |
| bswartz | anything more specific might be revealing implementation details which manila should not expose | 15:17 |
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| vponomaryov | gouthamr: s/whowing/showing/ | 15:18 |
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| cknight | Any further discussion? | 15:19 |
| tbarron | would it make sense to have a preference rank (ordinal) instead of a bool? could always start with just 0 and 1. | 15:19 |
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| cknight | tbarron: Can you offer a use case? | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: that implies more than 2 tiers of preferred-ness, which I've never seen in the real world | 15:20 |
| tbarron | not sure, just wondering whether direct/indirect is the only case down the road | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | I don't want to rush towards complexity because of vague possibilities | 15:21 |
| tbarron | sure | 15:21 |
| bswartz | we can always add another key on top of preferred, if we develop a 3rd tier | 15:21 |
| cknight | jcsp: FWIW, my use case for preferred is "hardware-ish", although it needed be presented that way. | 15:21 |
| cknight | jcsp: In a storage cluster where the disks are owned by exactly one controller but the I/O can come into any node, it's valuable to know the direct path. | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | so cknight are you proposing anything other than just adding "preferred" to the view returned by the API and bumping the microversion? | 15:22 |
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| cknight | jcsp: The tenant doesn't need to know the details, just which one to try first. | 15:22 |
| jcsp | yep, familiar with the problem, but better not to encode that kind of assumption into manila. In general (software) case we could have N priorities depending on e.g. network configuration | 15:23 |
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| jcsp | at very least it should be an integer rather than a boolean | 15:23 |
| cknight | bswartz: nope that's it for now. | 15:23 |
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| cknight | jcsp: of course, but such things aren't visible to manila. this one is. | 15:23 |
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| jcsp | I don't see a difference between a dual ported SAS case (not visible to manila) and an N-ported ethernet switch case (also not visible to manila). I think it's simpler to say "order than priority" than to say "order by priority where there may only be two priorities" | 15:24 |
| jcsp | *order by priority | 15:24 |
| cknight | jcsp: are you arguing for Tom's suggestion? an ordinal? | 15:25 |
| bswartz | jcsp: I just worry it's harder to document and harder for clients to understand, when in practice you'll only ever have 2 values | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | preferred=true/false is hard to misunderstand | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | preference=0,1,2... is slightly trickier | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | +1 for boolean as integers do not say which way has better priority | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | better/bigger | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | some will assume 0 is better than 2 and others will assume 2 is better than 0 | 15:27 |
| bswartz | and we no nobody reads the docs | 15:27 |
| * gouthamr wonders if he shouldn't write the docs for DR then | 15:28 | |
| bswartz | also, adding preferred=true/false does not prevent us from also adding preference=0,1,2... in the future if we need it | 15:28 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: lol nice try! | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | haha | 15:28 |
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| jcsp | since it's the SAS controllers that want the feature I guess it doesn't make much difference. It just itches to introduce something like that as a global generic thing but build in limitations based on hardware knowledge. | 15:28 |
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| vponomaryov | gouthamr: bswartz just said that nobody read it )) | 15:28 |
| cknight | bswartz: OK, this would be a really small change. Not sure if it'll be up today, but I'll pursue it and we can discuss further in the review. | 15:28 |
| bswartz | cknight: I can push a patch if you don't have time | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: gerrit reviewers will :) | 15:29 |
| bswartz | the deadline is today | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: yeah, right )) | 15:29 |
| cknight | bswartz: ok, we can discuss offline, then. thanks, everyone. | 15:29 |
| bswartz | anything else? | 15:30 |
| bswartz | jcsp: I'm going to respond to your email | 15:30 |
| bswartz | we can discuss it on IRC if you'd prefer though | 15:30 |
| ganso | I have a question | 15:30 |
| jcsp | bswartz: I have time now | 15:30 |
| bswartz | (after the meeting) | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | ganso: for all of us or just for me? | 15:31 |
| ganso | is LVM job going to be changed to voting still in Mitaka, prior to March 3rd? | 15:31 |
| bswartz | ah | 15:31 |
| bswartz | I would like it to be, if it has a more stable record | 15:31 |
| bswartz | initially we saw some random failure with LVM too | 15:31 |
| bswartz | could be a bug in the driver | 15:31 |
| ganso | I have seen some random failures lately | 15:32 |
| vponomaryov | no one considers ZFs be voting? | 15:32 |
| bswartz | I'd rather fix those before making it voting | 15:32 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: it can't vote if it's not merged | 15:32 |
| vponomaryov | after it is merged | 15:32 |
| vponomaryov | )) | 15:32 |
| bswartz | I would prefer to wait until newton to make it voting, if we agree it should vote at all | 15:32 |
| bswartz | I have no objections to making it vote in newton if it can be demonstrated to be stable and if it can give us better test coverage than LVM or generic for no-share-servers mode | 15:33 |
| bswartz | okay I think we're done | 15:34 |
| bswartz | thanks all | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 18 15:34:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-02-18-15.00.html | 15:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-02-18-15.00.txt | 15:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-02-18-15.00.log.html | 15:34 |
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| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 18 16:00:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:00 |
| xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:00 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:00 |
| xarses | Who's here? | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:00 | |
| angdraug | o/ | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:00 |
| fzhadaev | Hi! | 16:00 |
| vkramskikh | hi | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:00 |
| mwhahaha | hi | 16:00 |
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| igorbelikov | o/ | 16:00 |
| akasatkin | hi | 16:00 |
| ashtokolov | o/ | 16:00 |
| HeOS | hi! | 16:00 |
| asvechnikov | hi | 16:00 |
| dguryanov | Hi! | 16:00 |
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| SheenaG | o/ | 16:01 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | hi | 16:01 |
| mihgen | hi | 16:01 |
| xarses | #topic action items from last week | 16:01 |
| aglarendil | \o/ | 16:01 |
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| xarses | maximov to coordinate with other teams and find a volunteer for puppet-openstack noop job | 16:01 |
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| evgenyl | hi | 16:02 |
| xarses | xarses will bring up viability of version information (was version.yaml) for environment triage | 16:02 |
| xarses | xarses to create thread over QEMU/KVM on ML | 16:02 |
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| xarses | neither are done, and I am quite annoyed I forgot these again =( | 16:03 |
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| xarses | on to the main event | 16:03 |
| xarses | #topic UI Team status (vkramskikh) | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "UI Team status (vkramskikh) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:03 | |
| monester | hi all | 16:03 |
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| vkramskikh | Hi! Here is our status for 9.0 features: | 16:03 |
| vkramskikh | 1) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/remove-vendor-code - the removal request has been merged; request to restore them in the downstream is in progress | 16:03 |
| vkramskikh | 2) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/redesign-of-node-roles-panel - implemented | 16:03 |
| vkramskikh | 3) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/network-requirements-popup - implemented, spec is still not merged, requires +2 from holser | 16:03 |
| vkramskikh | 4) Ability to show all network groups - part of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/multirack-in-fuel-ui which wasn't done in 8.0 - implemented | 16:03 |
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| vkramskikh | 5) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/allow-choosing-nodes-for-provisioning-and-deployment - the design and implementation is in progress | 16:03 |
| vkramskikh | 6) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/separate-fuel-ui-repo - some progress since the last week, currently trying to make a separate test runner using test runner tools: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276814/ | 16:03 |
| vkramskikh | 7) NFV stuff - implementation for node attributes (for Nova and DPDK CPU pinning) is close to be implemented | 16:04 |
| vkramskikh | Questions? | 16:04 |
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| xarses | are we in good shape for the NFV elements? | 16:04 |
| yottatsa | o/ | 16:04 |
| vkramskikh | xarses: yes we are | 16:04 |
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| xarses | thanks | 16:05 |
| yottatsa | xarses vkramskikh actually dpdk specs is still no merged | 16:05 |
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| vkramskikh | I know :) but I'm talking about UI stuff only in my report | 16:05 |
| yottatsa | oh, thats about UI | 16:05 |
| yottatsa | sorry, nwm | 16:05 |
| xarses | yottatsa: link? or is this the item lower in the agenda? | 16:05 |
| yottatsa | yep | 16:05 |
| xarses | ok | 16:06 |
| xarses | #topic Mixed Team Status (sslypushenko) | 16:06 |
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| sslypushenko | Mixed team is working on multipath featute https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/support-for-multipath-disk. Spec is almost agreed. | 16:06 |
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| sslypushenko | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276745 Development is in progress. | 16:06 |
| sslypushenko | Questions? | 16:06 |
| xarses | good progress to be done in this iteration? | 16:07 |
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| sslypushenko | What do mean about this iteration? | 16:07 |
| xarses | before feature freeze anyway | 16:07 |
| sslypushenko | yeap, I hope we have enough time | 16:08 |
| sslypushenko | this not much things for development here | 16:08 |
| angdraug | fyi iterations are marked in our release schedule: | 16:09 |
| xarses | #topic Bugfix team status (dpyzhov) | 16:09 |
| angdraug | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel/9.0_Release_Schedule | 16:09 |
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| dpyzhov | hi guys. for 9.0 we have 28 high priority bugs in python and 15 in library. | 16:09 |
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| dpyzhov | also we have 118 low priority bugs in python and 42 in library | 16:09 |
| ashtokolov | angdraug, FF is in the middle of iteration | 16:10 |
| dpyzhov | we have only 1 high priority bug targeted to 8.0 and it will be fixed in plugins | 16:10 |
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| dpyzhov | so we are still good in library and more or less ok with high priority python bugs | 16:10 |
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| dpyzhov | plan is to move two guys from library bugs to python in order to fix the balance | 16:11 |
| angdraug | ashtokolov: yes, that's when mitaka-3 is scheduled, and I have a feeling we're going to need that extra week | 16:11 |
| aglarendil | dpyzhov: what about the bug with reboot networking sequence issues? | 16:11 |
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| dpyzhov | aglarendil: could you share the link? | 16:11 |
| aglarendil | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1546947 | 16:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1546947 in Fuel for OpenStack 8.0.x "Corosync doesn't start on boot if balance-rr bonding is configured: 'No nodelist defined or our node is not in the nodelist'" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Dmitry Bilunov (dbilunov) | 16:12 |
| dpyzhov | plan is to target it to maintenance update | 16:12 |
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| aglarendil | dpyzhov: I am not sure that we could afford it as we do not have clear analysis yet | 16:12 |
| dpyzhov | aglarendil: analysis is still in progress, you are right | 16:14 |
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| dpyzhov | but we agreed to move it to mu1 | 16:14 |
| aglarendil | okay, it is your call, but it can backfire | 16:15 |
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| dpyzhov | any other questions? | 16:15 |
| xarses | #topic Enhancements Team status (ashtokolov) | 16:16 |
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| ashtokolov | 1. Task Based Deployment with Astute v1 (production ready) - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/enable-task-based-deployment Engine has been merged, we are working on advanced settings support and global concurrency policy. | 16:16 |
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| ashtokolov | 2. Unlock "Setting" tab and rerun deployment Tasks in post-deployment - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/unlock-settings-tab in design, we are discussing how to implement it w/o ConfigDB | 16:16 |
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| ashtokolov | 3. Stop/Restart deployment w/o environmentment reset - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/graceful-stop-restart-deployment on review | 16:16 |
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| ashtokolov | 4. Deployment Tasks idempotence with Fuel Mixed Team https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/granular-task-idempotency https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/granular-task-ensurability WIP | 16:16 |
| ashtokolov | 5. Fixing backend bugs to unlock Separated deployment/provisioning of nodes on UI https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/specify-nodes-for-provisioning-and-deployment-in-ui 2/3 on review, 1/3 - merged | 16:16 |
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| ashtokolov | that's all from my side | 16:17 |
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| mihgen | for #1, do we see a drop in CI time required? | 16:18 |
| bookwar | ashtokolov: looks like task based deployment increased the time used by smoke tests - is there a known issue regarding deployments on not as fast servers? | 16:18 |
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| ashtokolov | bookwar let's investigate it, when we changed ISO on Fuel CI? | 16:19 |
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| aglarendil | bookwar: let's look into it | 16:20 |
| aglarendil | bookwar: do you have numbers for what is the difference? | 16:20 |
| mihgen | action item for ashtokolov ) | 16:20 |
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| mihgen | For https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/unlock-settings-tab, are there estimates what would it take to implement required nailgun changes without configdb/solar? | 16:20 |
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| bookwar | ashtokolov: yesterday. it might be smth else affected the test runs i checked, so i am just asking maybe there some known issues | 16:20 |
| bookwar | let's investigate then | 16:21 |
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| xarses | #action ashtokolov will look into increased deployment time in smoke tests | 16:21 |
| bookwar | basically bvt went faster then smoke_neutron and that's surprised me | 16:21 |
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| xarses | #topic Reviewers needed for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243340/ (aglarendil) | 16:22 |
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| aglarendil | this is about non-root spec author dnikishov1 seeking reviewers | 16:22 |
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| dnikishov1 | Hello | 16:22 |
| ashtokolov | mihgen we have to save deployment info w/o ConfigDB, it looks like short task, but we don't want to do it as a workaround | 16:22 |
| dnikishov1 | So basically the spec is ready and so is most of the code | 16:23 |
| aglarendil | so far, dnikishov1 , I think holser had some questions about the scope of the feature | 16:23 |
| dnikishov1 | Ok | 16:23 |
| aglarendil | is it about only deactivation of root login or is it about something more | 16:23 |
| aglarendil | e.g. running all fuel pieces as non-root? | 16:24 |
| aglarendil | e.g. nailgun-agent and mcollective agent? | 16:24 |
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| dnikishov1 | This spec is about disabling root login into slave nodes | 16:24 |
| dnikishov1 | Running fuel as non root is planned for the future | 16:25 |
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| dnikishov1 | But it isn't in scope at the moment | 16:25 |
| ikalnitsky | dnikishov1: is it about running? i thought we run openstack services using non-root users | 16:25 |
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| ikalnitsky | oh, you meant fuel | 16:25 |
| angdraug | commit is linked to the bp, bp description defines the scope quite clearly, what's in question here? | 16:26 |
| aglarendil | angdraug: dnikishov1 is seeking for reviewers for a long time, so he kindly asked us to finally pay attention to the spec | 16:27 |
| aglarendil | I think this is a broader question about SLA for specs review | 16:27 |
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| mihgen | dnikishov1: do you have capacity to finish all code required by FF? Or you'd need people to help with some parts, like QA? | 16:28 |
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| dnikishov1 | I think I'd need qa folks to review the commits which are already on the review and give their opinions | 16:29 |
| angdraug | I see a long list of reviews linked from bp, looks like it's code-complete and is only blocked by lack of reviewers | 16:29 |
| dnikishov1 | The only thing missing is ostf, but I can finish it by eow | 16:30 |
| ikalnitsky | dnikishov1: please, do not hesitate to ping folks in fuel-python irc channel | 16:31 |
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| dnikishov1 | Ok | 16:31 |
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| mihgen | to finish with the spec, whom do we need?.. | 16:31 |
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| ikalnitsky | mihgen: as usual - +2 from me and holser, i assume | 16:32 |
| xarses | moving? | 16:32 |
| mihgen | so then actions on you guys to help or find someone to help to move it forward.. ?) | 16:32 |
| ikalnitsky | yep | 16:33 |
| xarses | #topic NFV status (yottatsa) | 16:33 |
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| yottatsa | SR-IOV progress is good — library and agent code is almost done, we need reviewers #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/support-sriov | 16:33 |
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| yottatsa | DPDK development is just started: | 16:34 |
| yottatsa | * Spec is on final review, pls +2 #link https://review.openstack.org/273084 | 16:34 |
| yottatsa | * I’ve done two patches for library, third is on the way, we have agent, we have no nailgun | 16:34 |
| yottatsa | * We’ve run into problem with OVS+DPDK package #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1544354 , which is solved now | 16:34 |
| yottatsa | And DPDK feature is depended on Huge, where no patches was done #link | 16:34 |
| yottatsa | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/support-hugepages | 16:34 |
| mihgen | xarses: can you make a formal action item for ikalnitsky, holser about that non-root access feature.. ? | 16:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1544354 in Fuel for OpenStack "netconfig task fails when adding br-floating with ERROR: This system does not support "SSSE3"." [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Aleksander Mogylchenko (amogylchenko) | 16:34 |
| xarses | mihgen: sure | 16:34 |
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| xarses | #action ikalnitsky holser to follow up with dnikishov on the spec for non-root https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243340/ | 16:35 |
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| xarses | yottatsa: do have any questions that we can address here? | 16:36 |
| xarses | on the spec | 16:36 |
| yottatsa | xarses spec is covered all the questions, except what to use to store constants: openstack.yaml or settings.yaml | 16:37 |
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| xarses | #topic Telco Team Status (fzhadaev) | 16:38 |
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| fzhadaev | Hi all. | 16:39 |
| fzhadaev | For now, Telco team has three main activities for 9.0: | 16:39 |
| fzhadaev | 1) Support NFV features: | 16:39 |
| fzhadaev | 1.1) Huge pages [1] | 16:39 |
| fzhadaev | 1.2) NUMA/CPU pinning [2] | 16:39 |
| fzhadaev | Both specs were merged. 5 patches merged, 9 - on review | 16:39 |
| fzhadaev | 2) Daemon Resource Allocation Control [3] | 16:39 |
| fzhadaev | Spec is on review. 1 patch is on review. | 16:39 |
| fzhadaev | 3) Removing Mirantis-specific code from fuel code | 16:39 |
| fzhadaev | 3 patches are on review. | 16:39 |
| fzhadaev | [1] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/support-hugepages | 16:39 |
| fzhadaev | [2] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/support-numa-cpu-pinning | 16:39 |
| fzhadaev | [2] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/support-numa-cpu-pinning | 16:39 |
| fzhadaev | [3] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/cgroups | 16:39 |
| fzhadaev | Any questions? | 16:39 |
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| mihgen | dpdk seems to be blocked by hugepages, any way to unblock? | 16:40 |
| asvechnikov | it's already not blocked | 16:40 |
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| mihgen | quoting yottatsa: And DPDK feature is depended on Huge, where no patches was done #link | 16:41 |
| asvechnikov | because specs for huge pages and numa/cpu pinning are merged | 16:41 |
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| asvechnikov | and dpdk may work without huge pages and cpu pinning | 16:42 |
| alex_didenko | there's plenty of work related to DPDK that is not blocked by anything | 16:42 |
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| angdraug | yottatsa: so was it only blocked on specs, not on code? | 16:42 |
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| yottatsa | angdraug mihgen it is blocked on code: DPDK requires Hugepages to be configured on host | 16:42 |
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| xarses | since several teams are working on NFV, can you sync and provide a single update on NFV feature status? | 16:43 |
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| dklenov | to get DPDK performance gain HugePages are needed | 16:44 |
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| dklenov | although as alex_didenko mentioned, there is plenty of other work that can be done w/o huge pages | 16:44 |
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| dklenov | so it is end-to-end blocking | 16:44 |
| dklenov | DPDK cannot be finished with HP | 16:44 |
| dklenov | but can be started | 16:45 |
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| dklenov | *without HP | 16:45 |
| yottatsa | dklenov Without Hugepages, openvwsitch with DPDK can not be launched at all. | 16:45 |
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| xarses | #action fzhadaev yottatsa to sync on NFV status and provide combined update | 16:45 |
| xarses | ok, we need to move | 16:45 |
| yottatsa | ok | 16:45 |
| fzhadaev | ok | 16:45 |
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| xarses | #topic Switch OpenStack puppet modules to upstream master - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279460/ (IvanBerezovskiy) | 16:46 |
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| IvanBerezovskiy | As many of you knows we've switched to Mitaka ISO yesterday, | 16:46 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | Now we are ready to be fully aligned with upstream puppet modules | 16:46 |
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| IvanBerezovskiy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279460/4 | 16:46 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | As soons as this patch merged we can enable Fuel CI under upstream modules (igorbelikov) | 16:46 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | I guess it will be non-voting for now, but it's a big step to make it voting soon. | 16:46 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | If we merge this patch now we should start to look at each patch to upstream modules first of all to analize their affection on fuel-library. | 16:46 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | We should be ready to react immediately on each problem which can come from modules commits. | 16:46 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | My suggestion is to organize a duty under upstream modules. Patches to modules should be monitored by Fuel-library and MOS puppet teams. | 16:46 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | Also, as addition to CI I suggest to add an ability to test parallel commits to fuel-library and to puppet-modules (e.g. using depends-on in commit message) - wip (igorbelikov) | 16:46 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | Are we ready for this? :) | 16:46 |
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| igorbelikov | We're ready to fire up Fuel CI for upstream modules tommorrow | 16:47 |
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| angdraug | igorbelikov: what about depends-on -- is that included? | 16:48 |
| mihgen | +1 for duty.. | 16:49 |
| igorbelikov | angdraug: Not sure about tomorrow, but this will follow shortly | 16:49 |
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| angdraug | how do we configure the ci duty? | 16:49 |
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| IvanBerezovskiy | at the beginning I think we should have at least to people from each team | 16:50 |
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| angdraug | first of all, we need a gerrit dash for upstream commits with -1 from fuel ci | 16:50 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | s/to/two | 16:50 |
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| igorbelikov | angdraug: Fuel CI won't be able to leave -1 yet | 16:51 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | angdraug: are we allowed to make it woting? | 16:51 |
| angdraug | IvanBerezovskiy: do you mean 4 people should be on duty on any given day? | 16:51 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | s/woting/voting | 16:51 |
| bookwar | angdraug: if we just start posting -1 on all commits in puppet upstream - people will get angry very fast | 16:51 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | at the beginning - yes | 16:52 |
| angdraug | ok, s/-1/failure/ | 16:52 |
| bookwar | i'd rather set it in non voting silent mode for some time to see the stats | 16:52 |
| degorenko | ^ agree | 16:52 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | +1 | 16:52 |
| igorbelikov | and without leaving actual score I don't think it's possible to configure a gerrit dash for that | 16:52 |
| angdraug | if we set it to silent, duty engineers will have to watch jenkins instead of a gerrit dashboard | 16:53 |
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| igorbelikov | angdraug: email notifications to the rescue? | 16:53 |
| bookwar | (don't see a big problem with that) | 16:53 |
| angdraug | no, not a big problem | 16:53 |
| bookwar | we have rss | 16:54 |
| angdraug | just thinking about how we estimate amount of work that the duty would take | 16:54 |
| bookwar | and we can subscribe irc bot to it btw | 16:54 |
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| angdraug | can irc bot post failures to #fuel-tracker? | 16:54 |
| mwhahaha | do we have that bot subscribed to bvt failures yet? :D | 16:54 |
| angdraug | mwhahaha: +1 | 16:55 |
| bookwar | mwhahaha: not yet, but we should | 16:55 |
| mihgen | not #fuel-tracker please, but #fuel-bugs | 16:55 |
| mihgen | tracker tracks all patchsets | 16:55 |
| mihgen | it's hundreds of messages per day | 16:55 |
| angdraug | why #fuel-bugs? | 16:55 |
| angdraug | and not e.g. #fuel-ci? | 16:55 |
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| angdraug | or just #fuel-infra? | 16:56 |
| bookwar | fuel-dev :) | 16:56 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | why can't we use #fuel-dev in case of such failures? | 16:56 |
| mihgen | whatever, but if you mix something in to fuel-tracker - you won't notice anything | 16:56 |
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| angdraug | I'd rather not spam #fuel-dev | 16:56 |
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| mihgen | for BVT failures on ci.fuel-infra.org, I'd support #fuel-dev | 16:56 |
| mihgen | it happens rarely | 16:56 |
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| mihgen | and makes sense to attract attention of everyone | 16:57 |
| angdraug | commits to puppet-openstack happen very often | 16:57 |
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| xarses | 3 min | 16:57 |
| aglarendil | folks, can we switch back to task based deployment speed? we went through CI logs and did not find any regression. for example new CI tests for smoke_neutron have more than 15-25 % increase | 16:57 |
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| ashtokolov | bookwar about your question: it looks like master with task-based is faster than 8.0 w/o task-based: | 16:57 |
| xarses | aglarendil: there is an action to investigate it | 16:57 |
| ashtokolov | Task finished. Took 2192.38510299 seconds. - for master vs Task finished. Took 2824.64024019 seconds. - for 8.0 | 16:57 |
| angdraug | ok, lets wrap up | 16:57 |
| ashtokolov | https://ci.fuel-infra.org/job/master.fuel-library.pkgs.ubuntu.smoke_neutron/2218/consoleFull vs https://ci.fuel-infra.org/job/8.0.fuel-library.pkgs.ubuntu.smoke_neutron/298/consoleFull | 16:58 |
| angdraug | lets merge the commit to switch to upstream master no later than tomorrow | 16:58 |
| angdraug | and launch fuel ci for upstream in silent mode also tomorrow | 16:58 |
| angdraug | igorbelikov will monitor the failures for the first couple of days | 16:58 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | we can merge right now, it's already reviewed | 16:58 |
| angdraug | yes, now would be better | 16:59 |
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| angdraug | IvanBerezovskiy: please assign igorbelikov in monitoring the failures until EOD Monday | 16:59 |
| angdraug | after that we'll have some data to estimate and structure the duty effort | 16:59 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | sure | 16:59 |
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| xarses | thanks all | 16:59 |
| xarses | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| bookwar | angdraug: Mondat is a holiday in russia | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 18 17:00:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-02-18-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-02-18-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-02-18-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| tmcpeak | #startmeeting security | 17:00 |
| angdraug | Tuesday then | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 18 17:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmcpeak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
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| elmiko | o/ | 17:00 |
| ccneill | o/ | 17:00 |
| browne | hi | 17:00 |
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| cjschaef | hi | 17:00 |
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| singlethink | o/ | 17:00 |
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| sicarie | o/ | 17:00 |
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| tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-20160218-agenda | 17:00 |
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| tmcpeak | please add things to ^ | 17:01 |
| mdong | o/ | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | if you're so inclined | 17:01 |
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| mvaldes | o/ | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak | hyakuhei can't be here as he's out living the dream in San Francisco on vacation today | 17:01 |
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| mvaldes | lucky him :) | 17:02 |
| browne | too rainy to be living the dream today | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | yeah although the weather sucks in the bay today | 17:02 |
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| tmcpeak | browne: +1 | 17:02 |
| elmiko | nice, +1 | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | living the dream would be Tahoe right now | 17:02 |
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| tmcpeak | allright | 17:02 |
| michaelxin | hi, all | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Anchor | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | hey michael | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey: want to take this? | 17:03 |
| michaelxin | tmcpeak: hi | 17:03 |
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| michaelxin | elmiko: Thanks. | 17:03 |
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| michaelxin | I will need to leave early today, sorry. | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | cool, no worries | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | ok Tim and Doug aren't around | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | we can go back to anchor later | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Bandit | 17:05 |
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| tmcpeak | ok so we're still working away towards 1.0 | 17:05 |
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| tmcpeak | in the process we're also closing some good bugs too | 17:05 |
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| browne | yeah, i think we can't publish a new release until we fix the integrations | 17:05 |
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| tmcpeak | anybody that's interested can pick up a bug or a blueprint targeted for 1.0 from our launchpad | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | browne: agreed | 17:05 |
| elmiko | i have a question/suggestion about bandit | 17:05 |
| ccneill | tmcpeak: any preferences? | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: cool, what's up? | 17:05 |
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| tmcpeak | ccneill: nope, either would be awesome | 17:06 |
| elmiko | have you guys considered, or is it available, to use bandit from another python app? | 17:06 |
| elmiko | (eg is there an pi) | 17:06 |
| elmiko | "api" | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | we don't have that currently | 17:06 |
| browne | FYI, as far as integrations failing, they are keystone, keystonemiddleware, oslo.vmware, python-keystoneclient | 17:06 |
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| tmcpeak | what' use case do you have in mind elmiko? | 17:06 |
| michaelxin | scan as service | 17:06 |
| bknudson_ | a REST API? | 17:06 |
| elmiko | i was just thinking about cases where i could write an app that would use bandit to validate files | 17:06 |
| elmiko | bknudson_: no, just a python api | 17:07 |
| ccneill | ehhh we can get by without an API for a while, no? if we have good output formats | 17:07 |
| bknudson_ | popen | 17:07 |
| michaelxin | What's the gain here? | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson_: +1 | 17:07 |
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| michaelxin | You an always run it locally | 17:07 |
| elmiko | right.. i was thinking about avoiding subprocess | 17:07 |
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| tmcpeak | it's jank but that's what we've currently got ;) | 17:07 |
| elmiko | yea, no worries. i was just curious | 17:07 |
| bknudson_ | that should be "popen #nosec" | 17:07 |
| dg_ | o/ | 17:07 |
| elmiko | bknudson_: LOL | 17:08 |
| ccneill | elmiko: full disclosure, I'm working on a project (in python) to run other CLI tools :D | 17:08 |
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| tmcpeak | bknudson_: LOL! | 17:08 |
| michaelxin | haha | 17:08 |
| elmiko | ccneill: well, as long as we are going full disclosure, i wanted to run bandit in a distributed manner and collect results using a big data cluster | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | popen is fine as long as you always use a shell or something | 17:08 |
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| ccneill | elmiko: that sounds much more interesting than what I'm doing lol | 17:08 |
| elmiko | this would be much easier if i could use it from an api as opposed to call popen | 17:08 |
| michaelxin | elmiko: +1 | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: we've looked at doing something like that internally too | 17:09 |
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| michaelxin | we can build something and sell it | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | although a bunch of Python processes could probably do the same, yeah? | 17:09 |
| michaelxin | it is better than what veracode is offering | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | yeah we should do a startup, I heard that's what the cool kids are doing | 17:09 |
| ccneill | personally, since getting the golang bug, I always wonder now whether it's better to design something that's easy to parallelize in python, or just make it super granular (i.e. specify each file via CLI flags) and parallelize with go | 17:09 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: yes, i want to leverage the data harvesting potential of say spark to aggregate all the results | 17:09 |
| bknudson_ | curl http://openstack/bandit/scan?http://github/my_project | 17:10 |
| ccneill | O:-) <- tech hipstar | 17:10 |
| elmiko | it would be easy to do with a python api, slightly more difficult with subprocess | 17:10 |
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| tmcpeak | elmiko: let's chat offline, what you're doing sounds cool, I'm sure we can figure out some way to make it work in not too nasty of a way | 17:10 |
| elmiko | ccneill: yea, good question | 17:10 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: yea, and don't get me wrong, i'm not asking for a big feature change. just thinking about some usages that fall outside the normal pattern. | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | cool, let's chat about it | 17:11 |
| bknudson_ | my opinion is all application CLI should just be a small wrapper over an API. | 17:11 |
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| elmiko | bknudson_: +1 | 17:11 |
| elmiko | would make these types of questions very easy | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | bknudson_: yeah that's definitely a better way, but it would be a huge lift at this point for us | 17:11 |
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| elmiko | and i'm sure i could just hack on the bandit package to make it work, but i thought i'd ask first ;) | 17:12 |
| tkelsey | bah sorry im late chaps | 17:12 |
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| browne | its interesting, but defintely post 1.0 work | 17:12 |
| elmiko | browne: agreed | 17:12 |
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| tmcpeak | yep yep | 17:12 |
| elmiko | thanks for indulging me | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | thanks for bringing it up, it's a good idea | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | definitely a nicer design | 17:12 |
| browne | for 1.0, we need to get agreement on the integration tox testenv name across the projects. currently there are differences | 17:13 |
| michaelxin | elmiko: good idea! | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | browne: should be 'bandit' right? | 17:13 |
| browne | pep8, linters, bandit? | 17:13 |
| tkelsey | i would like bandit | 17:13 |
| browne | keystone doesn't have bandit | 17:13 |
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| tmcpeak | pep8 should call 'bandit' | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | browne: but yeah, you have a good point | 17:13 |
| bknudson_ | if you guys decide on bandit as the tox env then that's fine with me. | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | also how does the integration test work? | 17:14 |
| browne | don't think we want to run pep8 or whatever other linter as part of this test either | 17:14 |
| bknudson_ | but right now keystone runs bandit with pep8 | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | some aren't supposed to be passing, so are we going to block on that? | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | so for an intergration test to run a project should have a 'bandit' that we can call | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | if they don't we don't do integration checks | 17:14 |
| elmiko | sahara uses bandit as the toxenv, but that's because we are still non-voting | 17:14 |
| browne | they should all pass, otherwise it means our changes are breaking other projects. this is the current situation | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | not in non-voting cases | 17:15 |
| bknudson_ | maybe there's another way to accomplish this | 17:15 |
| browne | only non-voting is sahara | 17:15 |
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| tmcpeak | only voting is the Keystone stuff, right? | 17:15 |
| bknudson_ | maybe something in setup.py and then bandit does tox -e venv bandit <args> | 17:15 |
| browne | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281560/ | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson_: sorry, who's setup.py? bandit's? | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | *whose | 17:15 |
| bknudson_ | keystone's setup.py | 17:16 |
| bknudson_ | because you don't know how keystone is running bandit (what the cmd line is) | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson_: that's why I was thinking we'd just call a standard name tox target | 17:16 |
| elmiko | browne: i'm trying to get it non-voting. but i think it's a case we need to acknowledge | 17:17 |
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| tmcpeak | so we have a hierarchy 'bandit' tox target calls just Bandit, then 'pep8' or 'linters' calls that stuff + what's in bandit | 17:17 |
| bknudson_ | the tox.ini seems a little heavy-weight... but let's not get hung up on this. | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson_: cool, you know this stuff better | 17:17 |
| browne | elmiko: no problem. sahara integration did find a serious blacklist bug | 17:17 |
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| tmcpeak | what's your suggestion? | 17:17 |
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| elmiko | browne: which one? | 17:17 |
| bknudson_ | let's go with a bandit env in tox.ini for now | 17:18 |
| tkelsey | browne: I have a fix for that bug FYI | 17:18 |
| browne | tkelsey: saw that! awesome | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson_: cool, sounds good | 17:18 |
| bknudson_ | what's the problem with running pep8? | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | if there's a better way I'm happy to work towards that too, I'm just not super familiar with these things | 17:18 |
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| tmcpeak | sigmavirus24: is our resident tox expert I think | 17:18 |
| bknudson_ | ok, never mind, I guess I get it. | 17:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 17:19 |
| browne | bknudson: running pep8 also works, although we're running more than necessary | 17:19 |
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| tmcpeak | and we're gating Bandit on non-bandit things | 17:19 |
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| bknudson_ | let's go with bandit venv and then let's consider how this can be improved. | 17:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | oh right, that integration testing probably needs updates since the change from bandit to linters | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson_: +1 | 17:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | I wonder if we can make the argument for having separate tox envs for different linters and having linters just combine all of them | 17:20 |
| browne | sigmavirus24: it went from bandit to linters to pep8 | 17:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | browne: we're back to pep8 from linters? | 17:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | lol okay | 17:20 |
| browne | and several projects are inconsistent now | 17:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | Makes sense that they would be | 17:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | It's hard to keep track of these changes | 17:20 |
| bknudson_ | expect the keystone proposals to be +2d | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, eventually 'linters' may be used but for now the voting gate should be 'pep8' | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | per discussion with infra | 17:22 |
| browne | tmcpeak: ha, i thought it was the other way around | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | no :( | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | changed again last week-ish | 17:23 |
| browne | geez | 17:23 |
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| tmcpeak | I get it, infra is trying to maintain a consistent contract and so they'd either have to move all projects to 'linters' or keep all projects on pep8 | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | and moving all projects to linters is more effort than anybody has time for right now | 17:23 |
| elmiko | is this maybe a topic we should bring up at the cross project meeting? | 17:24 |
| elmiko | or even make a cp spec for? | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: those are both good ideas | 17:24 |
| michaelxin | good idea | 17:24 |
| browne | so for bandit integrations we agree on 'bandit'? | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | I had an initial conversation with #infra and what they said makes sense to me, although I'm not in love with having 'bandit' called as part of 'pep8' | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | browne: yeah, it seems so | 17:24 |
| browne | ok cool | 17:24 |
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| tmcpeak | browne: thanks for taking it | 17:25 |
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| tmcpeak | allright, moving on from the Bandit show | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Anchor | 17:25 |
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| tmcpeak | dg_: tkelsey | 17:25 |
| elmiko | i think we should propose this as cross project spec, then we can gather wider input on the tox env granularity | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: I agree with that | 17:25 |
| dg_ | sup guys | 17:25 |
| browne | elmiko: good point | 17:25 |
| dg_ | tkelsey anything to add on anchor | 17:25 |
| elmiko | hey dg_ | 17:25 |
| tkelsey | not had much time to look into it recently | 17:25 |
| dg_ | +1 | 17:25 |
| browne | i think anchor needs reviews. lots of patches in waiting | 17:26 |
| tkelsey | I know Stan has done some new stuff around PKCS11 backends | 17:26 |
| browne | like global requirements | 17:26 |
| tkelsey | browne: +10 | 17:26 |
| dg_ | browne ok ok | 17:26 |
| dg_ | will take a look | 17:26 |
| tkelsey | I have been trying to keep ontop of it, but im only one core, so we need more reviews badly | 17:26 |
| dg_ | I've not been keeping on top of it, too busy with a couple of other things, will try and get caught up this week | 17:27 |
| tkelsey | dg_: +1 | 17:27 |
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| dg_ | anything else on anchor? | 17:27 |
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| tkelsey | I guess thats it for anchor at the moment then | 17:28 |
| tkelsey | then pkcs11 stuff is interesting though if people want to have a look :) | 17:28 |
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| tmcpeak | cool | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Syntribos | 17:29 |
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| mdong | right, I don’t have too much this week | 17:29 |
| ccneill | soo I just found out in the OSQA meeting that my tempest-lib stuff is probably never going to merge.. so I guess I'll try to draw up a spec at some point of how we might integrate them into Syntribos | 17:30 |
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| mdong | we’re still making steady progress, there’s a few CR’s we could use some eyes on | 17:30 |
| ccneill | don't know if that's something we want, but I'll do it anyway :P | 17:30 |
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| mdong | yeah, I think that stuff could integrate pretty well with Syntribos’ data generators | 17:30 |
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| mdong | michaelxin: do you have anything to say on syntribos? | 17:31 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah I've seen some patches flying around #openstack-security | 17:32 |
| mdong | alright, in anycase we’ve still got plenty of blueprints on launchpad, and we would love to see some contributions! | 17:32 |
| mdong | alright, that’s all Ive got for syntribos this week | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | I'm skipping blog, I don't think we have much to say there | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | #topic OSSN | 17:33 |
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| tmcpeak | let's do a quick brush up | 17:33 |
| elmiko | yea, i failed to get my blog post done :/ | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | does look like we have a new one | 17:33 |
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| tmcpeak | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1545789 | 17:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1545789 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "keystone ADMIN_TOKEN set by default can lead to default insecure deployment" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Adam Young (ayoung) | 17:35 |
| elmiko | interesting, seems like an admin config issue | 17:35 |
| elmiko | well, deployer | 17:36 |
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| browne | oh, but i think the keystoen documentation advises to disable admin token after bootstrapping | 17:36 |
| elmiko | right | 17:37 |
| elmiko | i mean, yea, don't leave your config file at default state | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | still since the impact is high we should probably do a note and refer to the keystone docs, yeah? | 17:37 |
| browne | sure | 17:37 |
| browne | doc for a doc | 17:37 |
| elmiko | yup | 17:38 |
| browne | definitely belongs in the security guide i think | 17:38 |
| browne | if not already | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | yeah | 17:38 |
| elmiko | +1 | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:38 |
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| elmiko | we can probably just add an item here http://docs.openstack.org/security-guide/identity/checklist.html | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | yeah | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | sounds good | 17:39 |
| elmiko | i can open a bug for the doc change | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | speaking of... | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Sec Guide | 17:40 |
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| elmiko | sicarie around? | 17:41 |
| sicarie | hello | 17:41 |
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| sicarie | Mostly moving on bugfixes now | 17:42 |
| sicarie | there was one thing that popped up this morning | 17:42 |
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| sicarie | Around 3rd party applications and what could be construed as an endorsement | 17:43 |
| sicarie | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1543249 | 17:43 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1543249 in openstack-manuals "Product endorsement in Passwords in Security Guide" [Low,Incomplete] - Assigned to Xing Chen (chen-xing) | 17:43 |
| elmiko | i'm curious to see if anyone from the doc team chimes in | 17:43 |
| sicarie | I voiced my opinion in the bug, I'd appreciate other points of view | 17:43 |
| sicarie | There would need to be a MASSIVE effort to clean the sec guide | 17:43 |
| elmiko | ok, i'll add a remark on the bug. i pretty much agree with you sicarie, but didn't say anything | 17:44 |
| sicarie | It's one thing I try to never do is write in a bias towards my own company (or let others sneak theirs in) | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | umm | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | so just take out the specific references to certain password managers? | 17:44 |
| sicarie | Well, if we're doing it here, we should be consistent | 17:44 |
| sicarie | SO I see this as an "everywhere" precedence setter | 17:45 |
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| elmiko | yea, but we are advising F/OSS tools, so no real bias there | 17:45 |
| sicarie | +1 | 17:45 |
| sicarie | That's my rule of thumb | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | yeah | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | I'd go ahead and punt that if it was me | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | that's just a good security recommendation | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | use a password manager, for example xyz | 17:46 |
| elmiko | right | 17:46 |
| sicarie | Well if the Docs team has a standard, then it's pretty cut and dry | 17:46 |
| elmiko | we added a link to keepassx | 17:46 |
| elmiko | agreed | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | anything else for the guide? | 17:46 |
| sicarie | Nope | 17:46 |
| sicarie | Oh | 17:46 |
| sicarie | actually | 17:46 |
| ning | let's fix this first | 17:46 |
| elmiko | sicarie, i've been going to some of doc team meetings. maybe we should bring this up to them? | 17:46 |
| sicarie | +1 | 17:46 |
| elmiko | k | 17:46 |
| sicarie | elmiko: they're scheduled just right ot be either before i wake up or during my commute :( | 17:47 |
| sicarie | Additionally, I'm probably going to pull the link for the Lulu book | 17:47 |
| elmiko | sicarie: yea, it's either way too early or too late lol | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | ning: fix what? | 17:47 |
| sicarie | There's no easy way to build a pdf the way the RST guides are structured | 17:47 |
| elmiko | ouch... | 17:47 |
| elmiko | dave-mccowan was just asking about the pdf yesterday | 17:47 |
| sicarie | So until there is we can't build it to be able to push to lulu | 17:47 |
| ning | fix this reference documentation | 17:48 |
| elmiko | ning: are you saying we need to remove the reference, or figure out what the standard is? | 17:49 |
| ning | yes, remove the reference from sec doc | 17:49 |
| sicarie | ning: please comment in the bug - we welcome all points of view, even if it's against something already posted - I'd be very interested in the other side of that discussion | 17:49 |
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| tmcpeak | sicarie: +1 | 17:49 |
| elmiko | sicarie: +1 | 17:49 |
| ning | sure | 17:50 |
| sicarie | Thanks! | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | ok I'm going to skip to ccneill's topic | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | then we can AOB at the end | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | #topic CORS | 17:50 |
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| tmcpeak | ccneill: what's up with this? | 17:50 |
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| tmcpeak | selectively break SOP sounds sketchy | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | guess I should read the full details | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | ccneill: what's your take? | 17:51 |
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| elmiko | um, CORS is good mmmk | 17:52 |
| elmiko | =D | 17:52 |
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| rickflare | howdie | 17:53 |
| elmiko | but COORS is bad... /me snickers | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | ahh ok | 17:53 |
| elmiko | rickflare: still having the OSSP meeting. sahara is up in a few minutes ;) | 17:53 |
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| tmcpeak | I guess I should spend some time reading it | 17:53 |
| singlethink | servers have to opt-in for CORS to allow anything that isn't already allowed under SOP | 17:53 |
| elmiko | i'm not cure what ccneill wanted to talk about, but krotscheck_dr has been adding paste deploy patches to many projects to improve our coverage | 17:54 |
| elmiko | s/cure/sure/ | 17:54 |
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| singlethink | Is the concern that projects will be enabling CORS blindly, without verifying origins? | 17:55 |
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| elmiko | singlethink: was there something else we needed to discuss here, i thought the patches for CORS were already underway for awhile now? | 17:55 |
| singlethink | I'm sorry... I think I'm missing the context | 17:55 |
| singlethink | (of previous meetings) | 17:55 |
| elmiko | not sure, ccneill brought this up | 17:55 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: maybe table this topic for the next meeting? | 17:55 |
| tmcpeak | yeah I should read this carefully before I have an opinion | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | we'll cover it next time | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | #topic AOB | 17:56 |
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| tmcpeak | open floor | 17:56 |
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| elmiko | i'm just not sure what ccneill wanted to discuss, we have been adding improved support for CORS, but it gets highly specific about what is talking to the servers, and how to implement the origin exceptions, etc... | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, let's give people time to read and we can have a proper discussion | 17:57 |
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| tmcpeak | I'm sure Rob will want to play too | 17:58 |
| elmiko | +1 | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | allright well I'm going to close it! | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| elmiko | it's not even really an issue for most controllers | 17:58 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 18 17:58:16 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | thanks everybody! | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-02-18-17.00.html | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | :) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-02-18-17.00.txt | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-02-18-17.00.log.html | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | have a good week | 17:58 |
| elmiko | since the browser doesn't talk to them | 17:58 |
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| singlethink | elmiko is there a resource I should read other than http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-specs/specs/cors-support.html | 17:58 |
| elmiko | thanks tmcpeak you too! | 17:58 |
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| elmiko | singlethink: you might look at the patches that krotscheck_dr has been posting | 17:58 |
| elmiko | i'm just not sure what else we need to discuss | 17:58 |
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| singlethink | ack | 17:59 |
| singlethink | thanks | 17:59 |
| elmiko | maybe adding a section to the sec guide on cors? | 17:59 |
| elmiko | i mean, it's not like you are going to point a browser at the nova api controller, right? | 17:59 |
| singlethink | I think that would depend on if there are any knobs that admins can twirl | 17:59 |
| elmiko | right | 17:59 |
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| elmiko | but horizon is our browser interface | 17:59 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | hey sahara folks | 18:00 |
| elmiko | singlethink: there are knobs that can be twirled in the paste deploy configs | 18:00 |
| elmiko | hey | 18:00 |
| singlethink | ack. I'll yield to the next meeting. | 18:00 |
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| elmiko | singlethink: i'm here for this meeting too anyways XD | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 18 18:00:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:00 |
| huichun | 😀 | 18:00 |
| crobertsrh | hello/ | 18:00 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 18:00 |
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| elmiko | heyo/ | 18:00 |
| esikachev | hi! | 18:00 |
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| vgridnev | hi | 18:00 |
| mionkin | hello :) | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | client release is on review | 18:01 |
| apavlov | hi | 18:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280893/ | 18:01 |
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| vgridnev | SergeyLukjanov, are we are going to have additional one for health checks? | 18:02 |
| crobertsrh | UI rework is still up for review. As vgridnev pointed out this morning, the integration tests are broken in those patches. I may need a bit of help to sort out what tweaks are required. | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | vgridnev yup | 18:02 |
| elmiko | i've been adding more to the api v2 work, and also looking into a few more security issues | 18:02 |
| elmiko | speaking of which, SergeyLukjanov did you ever see that security bug i logged? | 18:02 |
| vgridnev | SergeyLukjanov, great | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko not yet :) could you pleas re-send link? | 18:03 |
| elmiko | yup, 1sec | 18:03 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1541122 | 18:03 |
| openstack | elmiko: Error: malone bug 1541122 not found | 18:03 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko sad | 18:04 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: what's sad is that i have a few more of these to post :/ | 18:04 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | yup | 18:04 |
| elmiko | but, we need to fix em =) | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I think we should fix it as part of adding castelan based secure store to sahra | 18:05 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and ensure that all of this stuff is configurable through UI | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | API | 18:05 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | to make users able to specify some password | 18:05 |
| elmiko | interesting thought | 18:05 |
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| elmiko | and i agree, it will help operators to have more access to these values | 18:06 |
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| elmiko | but, to begin with, we can fix up their hardcoded usage | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | agree | 18:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | any else news? | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic API v2 progress | 18:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko your turn :) | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273316/ | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sahara/api-v2 | 18:09 |
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| elmiko | thanks | 18:09 |
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| elmiko | we need more reviews on the initial commit for v2 | 18:09 |
| elmiko | also, i am adding more items to the wiki | 18:09 |
| elmiko | i have some local patches that depend on the initial commit, should i start posting these? | 18:09 |
| elmiko | i thought maybe i should wait until the first merges | 18:09 |
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| elmiko | if there are no opinions, i'm just going to start posting them =D | 18:10 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | yeah, probably wait for the first merges | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | to avoid rebase hell | 18:11 |
| elmiko | yup, that was my thought too | 18:11 |
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| elmiko | so, everyone go review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273316/ !!! | 18:11 |
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| elmiko | please =D | 18:11 |
| elmiko | that's all from me | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko thx! | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:12 |
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| rickflare | good afternoon everyone | 18:12 |
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| rickflare | I wanted to simple start out by thanking everyone who has continued to provide support for me! | 18:13 |
| vgridnev | Also I would appreciate if someone will review health checks stuff https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open++branch:master+topic:bp/cluster-verification | 18:13 |
| huichun | vgridnev thx for your helpful review comments about is_engine_implement fun, never notice before, really wanted | 18:13 |
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| huichun | I will update suspend EDP patch | 18:13 |
| vgridnev | huichun, np | 18:13 |
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| vgridnev | ok, thanks! | 18:14 |
| rickflare | I have had several items that I feel could be very helpful to this project | 18:14 |
| crobertsrh | vgridnev: I will give them a review today or tomorrow at the latest. | 18:14 |
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| huichun | SergeyLukjanov: I have an idea for replace the current Oozie engine with Luigi | 18:15 |
| huichun | Guys, what do you think about Oozie? | 18:15 |
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| huichun | https://github.com/spotify/luigi | 18:16 |
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| huichun | Oozie need tomcat, write XML and need extra jar file by running jobs | 18:16 |
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| elmiko | huichun: i have not used luigi, but i don't see why we wouldn't consider a proposal to add it as well as the OozieEngine | 18:17 |
| elmiko | oh, you want to replace with luigi? | 18:17 |
| crobertsrh | I have not experienced Luigi either | 18:17 |
| NikitaKonovalov | need to have a look at it | 18:18 |
| elmiko | seems nice, and it's python 1 | 18:18 |
| elmiko | er +1 | 18:18 |
| huichun | elmiko: you mean add Luigi as a EDP engine like Oozie? | 18:18 |
| huichun | Luigi is Python | 18:18 |
| elmiko | huichun: that's what i thought, but i missed that you said "replace" oozie | 18:18 |
| NikitaKonovalov | huichun: which Job types are supported? | 18:18 |
| huichun | Yes, my first thought is replacing | 18:19 |
| elmiko | i don't have a strong opinion either way, but i can see a few course of action; | 18:20 |
| huichun | NikitaKonovalov: Luigi support all Oozie can do, batch jobs and with dependency resolution workflow management | 18:20 |
| elmiko | 1. write a spec, so we can debate on review | 18:20 |
| elmiko | 2. make an option to allow either oozie or luigi, so we can keep backwards compat | 18:21 |
| elmiko | 3. plan a future migration away from oozie, if we desire | 18:21 |
| elmiko | does that sound reasonable? | 18:21 |
| vgridnev | agreed with elmiko | 18:21 |
| crobertsrh | +1 elmkio: fine plan | 18:21 |
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| huichun | elmiko: yes, it's my original idea currently | 18:22 |
| elmiko | huichun: great! | 18:22 |
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| huichun | elmiko: just working on EDP engine parts in Sahara, and make lots of research on others workflow engine and have this idea | 18:23 |
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| elmiko | cool, thanks for bringing it up =) | 18:23 |
| elmiko | huichun: i think it's great if we can keep up to date with new technologies that might improve our experience. | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I've not seen luigi as well | 18:24 |
| * tosky reads Luigi | 18:24 | |
| tosky | what is this thing called like me? | 18:24 |
| elmiko | tosky: https://github.com/spotify/luigi | 18:24 |
| elmiko | hehe | 18:24 |
| tosky | oh, thanks, I missed that | 18:24 |
| elmiko | np | 18:24 |
| crobertsrh | tosky, we plan to just have you launch jobs for all of our users. We figured you have the spare time. | 18:24 |
| elmiko | yup, what crobertsrh said | 18:24 |
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| elmiko | just tosky operating on 1000s of nodes, manually running jobs | 18:24 |
| tosky | '-_- | 18:25 |
| elmiko | LOL | 18:25 |
| rickflare | so guys i have stood up a few clusters | 18:25 |
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| rickflare | close to a 100 or so nodes | 18:25 |
| huichun | lol | 18:25 |
| rickflare | and one of the biggest issues I see is cluster persistance | 18:25 |
| rickflare | when running hadoop is it not uncommon to have data nodes go down for a number of possible reasons | 18:26 |
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| rickflare | the horizon interface really needs a method to restart services | 18:26 |
| rickflare | very much in the manner in which cloudera manager and custom dev ops tools would | 18:27 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sorry folks, I need to go earlier today | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #chair elmiko | 18:27 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SergeyLukjanov elmiko | 18:27 |
| elmiko | i think this is an interesting idea, makes me wonder if we will have much overlap with reproducing cloudera manager functionality | 18:27 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: no worries | 18:27 |
| rickflare | elmiko you will somewhate | 18:27 |
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| elmiko | also, vgridnev, is this something that we might lead to eventually with the cluster health checks? | 18:28 |
| crobertsrh | I think it might be a nice addition since we're already adding health checks, service restarts might be a nice thing to have | 18:28 |
| rickflare | however for the the vanilla distributions it would be awesome | 18:28 |
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| elmiko | rickflare: agreed | 18:28 |
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| rickflare | restarts would be amazing | 18:28 |
| elmiko | vanilla is tough though, because we are the only support mechanism for it | 18:28 |
| rickflare | Taz and I are willing to help with that | 18:28 |
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| elmiko | cool | 18:29 |
| rickflare | we have tons and I do mean tons of experience managing hadoop | 18:29 |
| crobertsrh | great | 18:29 |
| elmiko | i'd say take a look at the cluster health check stuff and maybe propose a spec about doing service restarts | 18:29 |
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| rickflare | ok | 18:29 |
| elmiko | we can certainly help fill in the details about the specifics of how sahara works | 18:29 |
| elmiko | it sounds like a fine idea | 18:29 |
| rickflare | this kind of leads into my second idea | 18:29 |
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| rickflare | that is centered around security | 18:29 |
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| vgridnev | elmiko, I think that we can do some kind of auto scaling ideas or / and some kind of restarts | 18:30 |
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| rickflare | some clusters are going to need update, E.G. kernel patching, glibc patch etc | 18:30 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: yea, i think there might be nice integration between health checks and service restarts | 18:30 |
| rickflare | I would like to propose a hardend version of some of the images | 18:30 |
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| elmiko | rickflare: sounds great | 18:31 |
| rickflare | like a vanilla that uses hadoop with kerberos | 18:31 |
| elmiko | like, building on the centos images? | 18:31 |
| elmiko | ooh, my favorite topic | 18:31 |
| rickflare | elmiko exactly | 18:31 |
| elmiko | we have talked about kerb integration before | 18:31 |
| elmiko | i have a document i should share with you, we had a big session about it in vancouver (i think, or was that paris) | 18:31 |
| rickflare | id like to see openscap intergrated and perhaps even drop in dev op tools like saltstack or puppet into the clusters | 18:32 |
| elmiko | there are several questions surrounding kerb integration though | 18:32 |
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| elmiko | that's an interesting thought | 18:32 |
| rickflare | this way if users need to customize anything in the cluster they can | 18:32 |
| elmiko | hmm | 18:32 |
| elmiko | you may want to propose this as an idea on the ML, it's a big topic | 18:32 |
| rickflare | for us the biggest hurdle for pushing sahara will be our ability to control and push security | 18:32 |
| elmiko | right | 18:32 |
| rickflare | i know | 18:32 |
| elmiko | but, if you create your own images, you could certainly run puppet outside the cluster and update images in the cluster with it, no? | 18:33 |
| rickflare | and I figured I start her because you guys have been so receptive | 18:33 |
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| rickflare | yes you can | 18:33 |
| rickflare | and we would be fine with that | 18:33 |
| elmiko | but... | 18:33 |
| elmiko | ;) | 18:33 |
| rickflare | but customizing the images is really what we are aiming for | 18:34 |
| elmiko | hmm | 18:34 |
| rickflare | at least providing more secure instances | 18:34 |
| rickflare | than what we have now | 18:34 |
| elmiko | look at the work done on the image validation specs | 18:34 |
| rickflare | like using ssl | 18:34 |
| rickflare | within hadoop | 18:34 |
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| rickflare | etc | 18:34 |
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| elmiko | we are in the process of improving how we create images and deploy them | 18:34 |
| rickflare | for the status pages | 18:34 |
| elmiko | you may find it interesting | 18:34 |
| rickflare | ive been looking at shara image elements | 18:34 |
| elmiko | also, for ssl/kerb within the cluster we have a few options | 18:34 |
| crobertsrh | Yeah, the new image creation bits might simplify things a bit | 18:35 |
| rickflare | if that is what you are referring to | 18:35 |
| elmiko | we could do something like adding a KDC such dogtag/ipa into the cluster and allow it to handle all kerb and tls stuff | 18:35 |
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| rickflare | YES | 18:35 |
| rickflare | freeipa | 18:35 |
| rickflare | would be amazing | 18:35 |
| elmiko | but, we need to have sahara controlling the internal kdc to add users as necessary | 18:35 |
| elmiko | OR | 18:35 |
| elmiko | we could use something like apache knox to segregate a cluster, and use an external kdc to do authN | 18:36 |
| rickflare | yes and keystone should control the internal kdc | 18:36 |
| rickflare | in most cases | 18:36 |
| elmiko | no | 18:36 |
| elmiko | i disagree here | 18:36 |
| rickflare | ok | 18:36 |
| elmiko | i'm not sure we want to cross the streams of a kerb-backed keystone with users in the sahara cluster | 18:36 |
| elmiko | i mean we *could* but i'm not convinced its the best method | 18:37 |
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| rickflare | so either have a external kdc or just have users manage the internal one that gets created | 18:37 |
| elmiko | not users, we would let sahara manage the internal kdcs | 18:37 |
| rickflare | k | 18:37 |
| rickflare | k | 18:37 |
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| elmiko | it would be like an ephemeral kdc | 18:37 |
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| elmiko | living as long as the cluster | 18:37 |
| elmiko | now, otoh, if we want to do something like an external kdc managed by the operator and that is also backing keystone, we might want to investigate using apache know | 18:38 |
| elmiko | *knox | 18:38 |
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| rickflare | ok | 18:39 |
| elmiko | i just think the identity management will get really unmanageable if you need to back keystone and have it control access to sahara clustres | 18:39 |
| rickflare | i think having both would be great | 18:39 |
| elmiko | it just seems like that will be complicated | 18:39 |
| rickflare | this way it can plug into existing domains if needed | 18:39 |
| rickflare | I think to start then having it external makes the most sense | 18:39 |
| crobertsrh | This is sounding familiarly complex | 18:40 |
| elmiko | yup | 18:40 |
| elmiko | it is complex | 18:40 |
| rickflare | because most environments will have some form of ldap or kdc | 18:40 |
| rickflare | just being able to plugin would be a great start IMO | 18:40 |
| elmiko | yea, it would be awesome | 18:41 |
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| elmiko | but it's tough to wrangle what sahara knows about identity with what the kdc will want | 18:41 |
| rickflare | but to start off the service control is by far the biggest issue in the short term | 18:41 |
| elmiko | remember, we only know what keystone tells us | 18:41 |
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| rickflare | have my cluster crap one and the only solution is to rebuild will be a tough sell for folks who can not regenerate data that has been ingested | 18:42 |
| elmiko | i can see that | 18:42 |
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| elmiko | rickflare: pm me your email address, i'll send you a slide deck i made on secure sahara ideas | 18:42 |
| rickflare | the ability to quick restart all services will be a massive improment | 18:42 |
| elmiko | if anyone is interested pm me as well | 18:43 |
| elmiko | agred | 18:43 |
| elmiko | agreed, even | 18:43 |
| rickflare | Taz and ysm | 18:43 |
| rickflare | please message elmiko | 18:43 |
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| rickflare | sorry ryusk | 18:43 |
| NikitaKonovalov | elmiko, please forward that to me | 18:43 |
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| rickflare | also after working with tmckay on spark for some time | 18:44 |
| rickflare | log reporting from the batch jobs could be improved | 18:44 |
| elmiko | NikitaKonovalov: sent | 18:44 |
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| elmiko | yea, we've been talking about how to improve logging | 18:45 |
| rickflare | we spent quite a bit of time trouble shooting main class path errors | 18:45 |
| elmiko | imo, i'd like to see something where we use zaqar to publish logs from the cluster nodes | 18:45 |
| rickflare | might be cool to have logstash or elastic search stood up in a image that is a part of the cluster | 18:45 |
| rickflare | that one can monitor output | 18:45 |
| rickflare | zabbix or ganglia also come to mind | 18:45 |
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| elmiko | right, or for ultimate dogfooding | 18:46 |
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| elmiko | imagine sahara using a sahara cluster to process its own log data | 18:46 |
| elmiko | *BAM* | 18:46 |
| crobertsrh | trippy man | 18:46 |
| elmiko | hehe | 18:47 |
| elmiko | rickflare, huichun, thanks for bringing up all these new ideas | 18:47 |
| rickflare | absolutely | 18:47 |
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| elmiko | i hope there are some posts to the ML for us to argue over ;) | 18:47 |
| crobertsrh | Yeah, good stuff for sure | 18:47 |
| rickflare | thank you guys for always being so awesome | 18:47 |
| rickflare | and helpful | 18:47 |
| * elmiko blushes | 18:48 | |
| rickflare | really makes working on this fun | 18:48 |
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| rickflare | honestly | 18:48 |
| elmiko | we like to have fun =D | 18:48 |
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| elmiko | ok, anything else? or should we gain 10 minutes of our day back? | 18:48 |
| rickflare | just looked at the slides and at first glance | 18:49 |
| rickflare | this is exactly what im talking about | 18:49 |
| elmiko | =D | 18:49 |
| crobertsrh | nice | 18:49 |
| crobertsrh | +1 for #endmeeting | 18:49 |
| elmiko | going once | 18:49 |
| elmiko | ... | 18:49 |
| rickflare | sold! | 18:49 |
| elmiko | twice | 18:49 |
| elmiko | ... | 18:49 |
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| elmiko | sold! | 18:49 |
| elmiko | thanks everyone! | 18:49 |
| elmiko | #endmeeting | 18:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 18 18:49:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-02-18-18.00.html | 18:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-02-18-18.00.txt | 18:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-02-18-18.00.log.html | 18:49 |
| esikachev | bye! | 18:50 |
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