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| sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 17 14:01:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 14:01 |
| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
| sgordon | #topic roll call | 14:01 |
| sgordon | o/ | 14:01 |
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| cloudon | hi | 14:02 |
| sgordon | howdy | 14:02 |
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| Seryio_NN | Hello | 14:02 |
| dronshaw | hey there | 14:02 |
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| sgordon | so i think there is one main thing to discuss, which is cloudon's use case submission | 14:03 |
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| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/275712 | 14:03 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278361/ | 14:03 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278433/ | 14:03 |
| cloudon | And my complete inability to use git and/or understand workflows. | 14:03 |
| sgordon | so, cloudon what happened here :) | 14:03 |
| sgordon | 275712 is merged | 14:03 |
| cloudon | Well... I thought I was following orders. But it didn't go very well. | 14:03 |
| sgordon | yeah | 14:04 |
| sgordon | so the thing is i think you want/need to un-abandon https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278361/ | 14:04 |
| sgordon | i think only you as the patch owner can do this | 14:05 |
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| cloudon | Abandoned it cos of the comment from Ken about posting it as a new patch set on the original. Was that wrong? | 14:05 |
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| sgordon | cloudon, yeah | 14:06 |
| sgordon | cloudon, you cant submit it as a new patchset on the original, the original has merged | 14:06 |
| cloudon | So is merging only meant to happen once all review comments have been addressed? As there was that outstanding one from Ken. | 14:07 |
| sgordon | cloudon, i believe the best alternative is to mention/link the original in the commit message | 14:07 |
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| sgordon | cloudon, ken is one of the people who +2'd it | 14:07 |
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| cloudon | OK, so sounds like I should leave 278433 abandoned, un-abandon 278361 but change the commit message to include a link to 275712? | 14:10 |
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| sgordon | cloudon, yessir | 14:10 |
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| sgordon | cloudon, you should be able to un-abandon from the UI | 14:11 |
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| cloudon | cloudon desparately searches for the un-abandon button on the gerrit UI... | 14:11 |
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| sgordon | cloudon, yeah i know... lol | 14:11 |
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| sgordon | cloudon, it's possible that only a core can un-abandon it - not sure | 14:13 |
| cloudon | There's a restore button - might that do it? | 14:13 |
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| sgordon | cloudon, that sounds right | 14:13 |
| cloudon | OK, that looks like it's done the trick. | 14:14 |
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| sgordon | excellent | 14:15 |
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| cloudon | It seems to have picked up the diffs from 275712 somehow to which is an unexpected bonus. | 14:16 |
| sgordon | yes, that is because 275712 is now in trunk/master | 14:16 |
| cloudon | Ah, ok | 14:17 |
| sgordon | so it is effectively part of the "base" | 14:17 |
| sgordon | #topic other discussion | 14:18 |
| sgordon | is there anything else folks want to discuss today? | 14:18 |
| cloudon | Quick thing on the workflow of that story - what happens next? | 14:18 |
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| sgordon | cloudon, nominally refer to the diagram on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories | 14:20 |
| sgordon | the product working group are were getting together yesterday or today for a mid-cycle meetup though | 14:21 |
| sgordon | and some of this was under discussion and thus subject to change | 14:21 |
| sgordon | theoretically we are at "content edited based on feedback" in the left swimlane | 14:21 |
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| cloudon | Right - so still in draft, but at final stage | 14:22 |
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| sgordon | right | 14:22 |
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| sgordon | what there is some discussion about atm is exactly how to prioritize and expose these to the community, relative to each other | 14:23 |
| sgordon | will be looking for some output from the midcycle on that | 14:23 |
| cloudon | makes sense, ta | 14:24 |
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| sgordon | ok | 14:27 |
| sgordon | let's call it and hopefully i can bring more clarity on that for next time | 14:27 |
| sgordon | thanks all | 14:27 |
| sgordon | #endmeeting | 14:27 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 17 14:27:59 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2016/telcowg.2016-02-17-14.01.html | 14:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2016/telcowg.2016-02-17-14.01.txt | 14:28 |
| cloudon | cheers | 14:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2016/telcowg.2016-02-17-14.01.log.html | 14:28 |
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| Swami | hi | 14:59 |
| obondarev | hi | 14:59 |
| jschwarz | hello! | 15:00 |
| jschwarz | (finally I'm joining as well) | 15:00 |
| Swami | hi everyone | 15:00 |
| Swami | jschwarz: welcome | 15:00 |
| Swami | #startmeeting neutron_dvr | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 17 15:00:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_dvr' | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | Hi | 15:01 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: hi | 15:01 |
| Swami | obondarev: hi | 15:01 |
| Swami | #chair Swami | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Swami | 15:01 |
| Swami | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| Swami | haleyb will not be joining today | 15:02 |
| Swami | Neutron Mid-cycle meetup is next week. | 15:02 |
| Swami | So probably we will be cancelling this meeting next week. | 15:02 |
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| Swami | Ok, let us move on. | 15:03 |
| Swami | #topic Bugs | 15:03 |
| Swami | New bugs this week. | 15:04 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1545199 | 15:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1545199 in neutron "preserve subnet-create behavior in presence of subnet pools" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Armando Migliaccio (armando-migliaccio) | 15:04 |
| Swami | This bug was tagged with dvr, but I assume this is also seen in the legacy routers. | 15:04 |
| Swami | There is already a patch addressing this bug. | 15:05 |
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| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279378/ | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | Not sure why tagged dvr | 15:05 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: yes I was also confused on this. | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | It is not advr bug | 15:05 |
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| Swami | ok, can we untag it from dvr. | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | ++ | 15:06 |
| Swami | ok will do it. | 15:06 |
| Swami | Let us move on to the existing bugs. | 15:07 |
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| Swami_ | now let us move on to the existing bugs | 15:08 |
| Swami_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1541406 | 15:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1541406 in neutron "IPv6 prefix delegation does not work with DVR" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Ritesh Anand (ritesh-anand) | 15:08 |
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| Swami_ | A patch is up for review. | 15:08 |
| Swami_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277657/ | 15:08 |
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| Swami_ | This is in merge conflict right now. But I will try to ping ritesh-anand and see what is the status. | 15:09 |
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| Swami_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1533216 | 15:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1533216 in neutron "item allocator should return same value for same key" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to venkata anil (anil-venkata) | 15:10 |
| Swami_ | This bug also has a patch | 15:10 |
| Swami_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/266379 | 15:10 |
| Swami_ | This patch needs review as well. | 15:10 |
| Swami_ | The next on in the list is | 15:11 |
| Swami_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1456073 | 15:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1456073 in neutron "Connection to an instance with floating IP breaks during block migration when using DVR" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:11 |
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| Swami_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/275073 ( Nova side patch) | 15:11 |
| Swami_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/275420 ( Neutron Server patch) | 15:12 |
| Swami_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260738/ ( Agent side patch) | 15:12 |
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| Swami_ | All these three patches needs review. | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami_: very sorry I didn't review this. I don't know where the week went | 15:13 |
| Swami_ | carl_baldwin: obondarev: can you take a look at it | 15:13 |
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| obondarev | Swami_: yep | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | Yes | 15:13 |
| Swami_ | carl_baldwin: no problem carl_baldwin, I have made some more minor changes, but it is still in a good shape. | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | Ack | 15:13 |
| Swami_ | carl_baldwin: obondarev: thanks | 15:14 |
| obondarev | Swami_: and with all three applied we have bug fixed, right? | 15:14 |
| Swami_ | obondarev: yes | 15:14 |
| obondarev | Swami_: great | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | +1 | 15:15 |
| Swami_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1414559 | 15:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1414559 in neutron "OVS drops RARP packets by QEMU upon live-migration - VM temporarily disconnected" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev) | 15:15 |
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| obondarev | on this I updated nova side patch today | 15:15 |
| obondarev | based on comments from dansmith | 15:15 |
| Swami_ | This bug has two patches nova and neutron. | 15:15 |
| Swami_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246898 ( nova side patch) | 15:16 |
| Swami_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246910/ ( neutron side patch) | 15:16 |
| Swami_ | obondarev: will take a look at it. | 15:16 |
| obondarev | nit: the first is neutron side | 15:16 |
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| Swami_ | obondarev: sorry I will correct it in the wiki. | 15:17 |
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| Swami_ | obondarev: it was my mistake wiki is right. | 15:17 |
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| Swami_ | Let us move on to the next one. | 15:18 |
| Swami_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1462154 | 15:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1462154 in neutron "With DVR Pings to floating IPs replied with fixed-ips" [High,In progress] - Assigned to ZongKai LI (lzklibj) | 15:18 |
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| Swami_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/246855 ( Patch) | 15:18 |
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| Swami_ | This patch is again in merge conflict. | 15:19 |
| Swami_ | The next one in the list is | 15:20 |
| Swami_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1445255 | 15:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1445255 in neutron "DVR FloatingIP to unbound allowed_address_pairs does not work" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:20 |
| Swami_ | This bug also has a patch and it needs review. | 15:20 |
| Swami_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254439/ | 15:20 |
| Swami_ | with the latest rebase I am seeing one of the functional test is failing, I will try to address it today. | 15:21 |
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| Swami_ | The next one is | 15:22 |
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| Swami_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1512858 | 15:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1512858 in neutron "Default gateway in fip namespace not updated after a subnet-update" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Rawlin Peters (rawlin-peters) | 15:22 |
| Swami_ | This one has a patch and it needs review. | 15:23 |
| Swami_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/270662 | 15:23 |
| Swami_ | The next one in the list is the Linux-bridge DVR | 15:24 |
| Swami_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1504039 | 15:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1504039 in neutron "[RFE] Linuxbridge DVR" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Hirofumi Ichihara (ichihara-hirofumi) | 15:24 |
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| Swami_ | There is a patch on it. | 15:24 |
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| Swami_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237927/ | 15:25 |
| Swami_ | It is not complete yet, but may be we can provide some early feedback on it. | 15:25 |
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| Swami_ | That's all I had for bugs this week. | 15:26 |
| Swami_ | let us move on to the next topic. | 15:26 |
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| Swami_ | #topic Gate-failures | 15:26 |
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| obondarev | I added 2 nova bugs to the wiki which affect both multinode jobs | 15:27 |
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| Swami_ | I have seen recently the gate test fails with log as shown below. | 15:28 |
| obondarev | I constantly monitor failed dvr multinode jobs and for the past week saw nothing dvr related | 15:28 |
| Swami_ | #link http://logs.openstack.org/20/275420/16/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-dvr-multinode-full/c07717a/console.html.gz#_2016-02-11_23_10_55_262 | 15:28 |
| obondarev | Swami_: looks like an infra issue | 15:28 |
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| Swami_ | obondarev: yes that's what I thought. | 15:28 |
| Swami_ | I have not seen any abnormality in the both the graphs for this week | 15:29 |
| obondarev | sometimes jobs also fail due to job timeout, which also seems an infra issue | 15:29 |
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| Swami_ | #link https://goo.gl/L1WODG | 15:29 |
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| Swami_ | I still see that in the logs, I am seeing a couple of traces which is related to gateway not found on subnet and DBConnection Error. | 15:30 |
| obondarev | So afaict we're prtty much on parity with non-dvr jobs in terms of gate failures | 15:30 |
| Swami_ | obondarev: yes with a little bit of delta. | 15:31 |
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| carl_baldwin | That's great! | 15:31 |
| Swami_ | Ok let us move on to the next topic. | 15:31 |
| Swami_ | obondarev: do we have anything on the performance and scalability to discuss. | 15:31 |
| obondarev | nope | 15:32 |
| Swami_ | obondarev: then we can skip that section for this week. | 15:32 |
| Swami_ | #topic open-discussion | 15:32 |
| Swami_ | So for the mid-cycle meetup let us focus on the multinode/single node gate failures and fixing the high bugs. | 15:33 |
| Swami_ | Does anyone have a topic to discuss now. | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | Not I | 15:35 |
| obondarev | me neither | 15:35 |
| Swami_ | ok, then I will end the meeting. | 15:35 |
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| Swami_ | Thanks for joining the meeting. | 15:35 |
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| carl_baldwin | Thanks | 15:35 |
| Swami_ | Next week we may not have the meeting. | 15:35 |
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| Swami_ | see you all the week after next. | 15:36 |
| Swami_ | bye | 15:36 |
| Swami_ | #endmeeting | 15:36 |
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| Swami_ | #endmeeting | 15:39 |
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| Sukhdev | Folks time for ML2 meeting | 16:00 |
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| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:01 |
| openstack | Sukhdev: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 16:01 |
| yamahata | hello | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 17 16:01:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2016/neutron_dvr.2016-02-17-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2016/neutron_dvr.2016-02-17-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2016/neutron_dvr.2016-02-17-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 17 16:02:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | Hello folks welcome to this week's ML2 meeting | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | Looks like previous meeting folks forgot to end the meeting :-) | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_February_17.2C_2016 | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | Anybody has any announcements to make? | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | Please do remember to vote on the sessions for Austin summit | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Open Agenda | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | I put this topic on top of agenda this week - to see if anybody would like to bring up anything new to the agenda | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | Anybody want to bring up anything on the agenda related to ML2? | 16:06 |
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| scheuran | hi | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | scheuran : hi | 16:07 |
| scheuran | I have nothing for the agenda :) | 16:07 |
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| Sukhdev | OK in the absence of new items for agenda, lets walk thorough the usual items then | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: limited-portsec implementation | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | I do not see yalei here | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | I do see that the patch is being actively reviewed | 16:09 |
| yamahata | I don't have update. Anywas it's chinese new year last week. He was on vacation | 16:10 |
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| Sukhdev | yamahata : ah that makes sense - | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | happy (delayed) new year!!! | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Modular L2 Agent | 16:11 |
| scheuran | I think we can close this topic for this release | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | scheuran : I see you are actively busy with this | 16:12 |
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| scheuran | will continue in Newton | 16:12 |
| scheuran | I'm currently working on the first exploiter | 16:12 |
| scheuran | the macvtap stuff - a first patch merged | 16:12 |
| scheuran | the mech driver got a first +2 | 16:12 |
| scheuran | for the agent I need to provide an addditionl functional patch I'm currently working on in parallel | 16:13 |
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| scheuran | also provided some first drafts for docs | 16:13 |
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| scheuran | so I'm confident to get this in... | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | scheuran : sounds real good | 16:13 |
| scheuran | Sukhdev, thanks | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | scheuran : do you have link to the repo | 16:14 |
| scheuran | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1480979 | 16:14 |
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| scheuran | Sukhdev, this is the review topic - or were yo asking for something else? | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | this helps - I was asking for the repo (where you are pushing the code) | 16:15 |
| scheuran | oh | 16:15 |
| scheuran | neutron :) | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | got it - actually I thought you were pushing mech driver in a different repo | 16:16 |
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| scheuran | Sukhdev, that was the original plan in the last cycle kyle decided to have it in neutron.. | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | this makes is much easier | 16:17 |
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| scheuran | for deployments, yes | 16:17 |
| scheuran | for getting code in - no ;) | 16:17 |
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| Sukhdev | :-):-) | 16:17 |
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| Sukhdev | Thanks for the pointer scheuran | 16:18 |
| scheuran | welcome! | 16:18 |
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| Sukhdev | anybody has any question for scheuran ? | 16:18 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Routed networks | 16:19 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225384/ | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | We discussed about this last week - | 16:20 |
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| Sukhdev | This topic is being very actively reviewed - | 16:20 |
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| Sukhdev | I reviewed its earlier version - have not had a chance to review the latest version | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | neiljerram : any comments on this? | 16:22 |
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| Sukhdev | I will go back and look at the latest version | 16:23 |
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| Sukhdev | Others please do so as well - this has implications on Ml2 | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Open Discussion | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | This is the opportunity to discuss anything related to ML2 or in general | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | anybody wants to discuss anything? | 16:25 |
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| Sukhdev | Well, folks, looks like we are done.....I like shorter meetings :-):-) | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | Thanks for attending today | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 16:26 |
| yamahata | bye | 16:26 |
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| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 16:26 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 17 16:26:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-02-17-16.02.html | 16:26 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting Designate | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 17 17:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:00 |
| mugsie | #topic Roll Call | 17:00 |
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| rsyed | o/ | 17:00 |
| elarson | o/ | 17:00 |
| sonuk | o/ | 17:00 |
| pglass | o/ | 17:00 |
| mugsie | federico3: ekarlso Kiall courtesy ping | 17:00 |
| federico3 | o/ | 17:00 |
| timsim | o/ | 17:01 |
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| mugsie | #topic Action Items from last week | 17:01 |
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| elarson | midcycle was last week! | 17:01 |
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| mugsie | yup - how are the action items coming from that? | 17:02 |
| Kiall | heya | 17:02 |
| mugsie | :) | 17:02 |
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| mugsie | i think we can skip this for this week | 17:02 |
| mugsie | #topic Bug Triage (timsim - recurring) | 17:02 |
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| mugsie | is the meetbot dead | 17:02 |
| mugsie | ? | 17:02 |
| mugsie | #hrlp | 17:02 |
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| mugsie | #help | 17:03 |
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| mugsie | i think it might be | 17:03 |
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| timsim | Oh well | 17:03 |
| mugsie | meh - lets continue | 17:03 |
| * timsim really needs to investigate https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1516355 | 17:03 | |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1516355 in Designate ""RecordSet not found" while trying to update NS Pool" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Tim Simmons (timsim) | 17:03 |
| timsim | If someone else has time and wants to do that, feel free, but I'll try and do that this week. | 17:03 |
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| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1541603 | 17:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1541603 in Designate "No multiple errors returned simultaniously if there is a invalid record type error" [Undecided,New] | 17:04 |
| mugsie | triaged, m3, high | 17:04 |
| mugsie | assign to me if it is not assigned | 17:04 |
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| mugsie | I think I knwo where the error is | 17:04 |
| timsim | K | 17:04 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1543729 | 17:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1543729 in Designate "CLI requires domain name to be first, rather than anywhere" [Undecided,New] | 17:04 |
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| mugsie | high, triaged | 17:04 |
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| mugsie | nothing liuke a live demo to find bugs | 17:05 |
| Kiall | Yea, that was embarassing for mugsie ;) | 17:05 |
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| timsim | Is that a client bug? | 17:05 |
| mugsie | yeah | 17:05 |
| Kiall | yea | 17:05 |
| timsim | I'll move it | 17:05 |
| Kiall | I filed in the wrong place | 17:05 |
| mugsie | thats embarassing for Kiall | 17:05 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1544358 | 17:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1544358 in Designate "Designate should 400 on a SPF record data with trailing backlash" [Undecided,New] | 17:05 |
| timsim | tsk tsk Kiall | 17:05 |
| timsim | Not as embarrassing as writing on a wall though right mugsie? | 17:05 |
| Kiall | did a fix go in for that? | 17:05 |
| mugsie | damn it | 17:05 |
| Kiall | I thought I saw one | 17:05 |
| Kiall | timsim: <high-five-gif> | 17:06 |
| pglass | Kiall: there was a fix, but that bug remains | 17:06 |
| timsim | test for it appears to be failing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278801/ | 17:06 |
| Kiall | oh, a test but no fix. OK | 17:06 |
| mugsie | OK, High, Triaged | 17:06 |
| Kiall | High, 3 | 17:06 |
| timsim | agreed | 17:07 |
| Kiall | Also | 17:07 |
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| Kiall | does it apply to TXT too? | 17:07 |
| Kiall | I'd bet it does | 17:07 |
| pglass | actually I think it doesn't | 17:07 |
| Kiall | Wel- SPF rdata is defined as "go look at the TXT defintion" | 17:08 |
| Kiall | So, there's likely a bug somewhere (us or dnspython) if the data is treated differently. | 17:08 |
| pglass | ummm, well i had tests using the same dataset for both spf and txt recordsets. | 17:08 |
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| mugsie | ok - add the potential for issues in TXT to the bug, and whoewver fixes it should test both | 17:09 |
| Kiall | + | 17:09 |
| timsim | cool | 17:09 |
| timsim | This one...https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1546437 | 17:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1546437 in Designate "Unable to restart the keystone services" [Undecided,New] | 17:10 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1546437 | 17:10 |
| Kiall | lol | 17:10 |
| Kiall | Move to keystone? | 17:10 |
| timsim | Sure | 17:10 |
| mugsie | Its a bug in our contrib/vagrant | 17:10 |
| mugsie | so, no | 17:10 |
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| Kiall | how is it a bug in that? | 17:10 |
| mugsie | it breaks in that. not in clean devstack | 17:11 |
| mugsie | therefor, a problem in ours. | 17:11 |
| Kiall | CentOS? | 17:11 |
| Kiall | we dont have CentOS in contrib/vagrant... | 17:11 |
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| Kiall | It's 100% not us | 17:11 |
| mugsie | oh, i have seen it this week in our devstack plugin in anycase | 17:11 |
| mugsie | using the contib/vagrant | 17:12 |
| Kiall | Yea, we pull in the keystone code.. | 17:12 |
| elarson | fwiw, I have to comment out the centos bits in the contrib/vagrant Vagrantfile to get it to build | 17:12 |
| elarson | not sure if that is releated | 17:12 |
| Kiall | Move to keystone ;) | 17:12 |
| elarson | related* | 17:12 |
| Kiall | elarson: you mean fedore? | 17:12 |
| Kiall | fedoar? | 17:12 |
| mugsie | its not keystone | 17:12 |
| Kiall | wow | 17:12 |
| elarson | yeah federer | 17:12 |
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| elarson | corell linux | 17:13 |
| Kiall | keystones requirements are not specifing tightly enough the oslo.config version they need.. the trace is clealy keystone code. | 17:13 |
| mugsie | they specify them exactly like us ;) | 17:14 |
| mugsie | from global reqs | 17:14 |
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| stevemar | looks like we should bump the minimum for global requirements | 17:14 |
| Kiall | Okay.. I'm still at a loss what we can do about the keystone devstack code and/or keystone code and/or keystone requirements? | 17:14 |
| Kiall | It's not a designate issue ;) | 17:14 |
| Kiall | stevemar++ | 17:14 |
| mugsie | we can see why it fails when using our contrib/vagrant and not in openstack-dev/devstack | 17:15 |
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| stevemar | looks like it should be 3.2.0 at minimum: https://github.com/openstack/oslo.config/commit/f5e2fab3ae5af5bd47fe3526a73f13fbaa27c1f0 | 17:15 |
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| Kiall | mugsie: all we do in vagrant is clone devstack and prep a localrc, it not related. | 17:15 |
| stevemar | hmm... global requirements already has a minimum... 3.4.0 | 17:16 |
| stevemar | https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/global-requirements.txt#L95 | 17:16 |
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| mugsie | it could tbe the localrc | 17:16 |
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| mugsie | that is also in the docs, (linked in verbatim) | 17:16 |
| stevemar | wha... liberty version... | 17:16 |
| stevemar | we didn't use "deprecated_reason" in liberty | 17:17 |
| mugsie | ah. we may not be specifiying the brannch in our localrc then | 17:17 |
| mugsie | the example localrc | 17:17 |
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| stevemar | yeah, something mucky going on there | 17:18 |
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| mugsie | anyway - I will look at it this week | 17:18 |
| stevemar | i'll comment | 17:18 |
| timsim | Alright, I'll assign to you mugsie | 17:18 |
| mugsie | #action mugsie to look at bug/1546437 | 17:18 |
| mugsie | lets move on | 17:18 |
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| timsim | That's all the bugs | 17:18 |
| mugsie | #topic Designate/Neutron Integration Update (mlavalle - recurring) | 17:18 |
| mlavalle | mugsie: hi | 17:18 |
| mugsie | mlavalle: over to you | 17:18 |
| mlavalle | thanks | 17:19 |
| mlavalle | Last week we merged the code for Nova and its unit tests | 17:19 |
| mlavalle | so we are really in the home stretch of this effort | 17:19 |
| Kiall | (cake) | 17:19 |
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| mugsie | great :) | 17:20 |
| mlavalle | Last night I pushed for review the chapter I am adding to the OpenStack Networking Guide | 17:20 |
| mlavalle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280957 | 17:20 |
| mugsie | i saw that - it is in my reading list :) | 17:20 |
| mlavalle | I added Kiall and mugsie to the reviewers | 17:20 |
| mlavalle | Last night it passed Jenkins tests and I am already getting reviews | 17:21 |
| Kiall | Yea, I saw it pop by this morning, but haven't dig in yet | 17:21 |
| Kiall | dug* | 17:21 |
| timsim | That's awesome mlavalle | 17:21 |
| mlavalle | so, we will make Mitaka | 17:21 |
| mugsie | \o/ | 17:21 |
| mugsie | do we need to add anything to clients ? | 17:21 |
| Kiall | yea, mlavalle thats excellent :) | 17:21 |
| elarson | w00t. that's right, I just said w00t | 17:22 |
| mlavalle | mugsie: I am adding support to the Neutron client | 17:22 |
| mugsie | cool - thats all we should need, right? | 17:22 |
| mlavalle | it's a minor thing. Excpect a commit over the next couple of days | 17:22 |
| mlavalle | mugsie: yeah, that's all | 17:22 |
| Kiall | We also exposed a bug in nova ;) It was generating invalid host names for display name inputs.. | 17:22 |
| mlavalle | Kiall: yeah, that was great | 17:22 |
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| Kiall | I'm just glad the fix wasn't a revert since it was gate breaking ;) | 17:23 |
| mlavalle | Kiall: btw, thanks for your help. I was away on vacation | 17:23 |
| mlavalle | that day | 17:23 |
| mugsie | yeah, lucky it was only intermitent | 17:23 |
| Kiall | I don't think I helped? lol | 17:23 |
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| mlavalle | that's all I have for today | 17:24 |
| Kiall | I don't remember helping! | 17:24 |
| mlavalle | Kiall: you were present and rechecked one of the patchsets | 17:24 |
| mugsie | any more questions for mlavalle ? | 17:24 |
| Kiall | oh, fair enough .. :) | 17:24 |
| mlavalle | thanks guys! | 17:24 |
| Kiall | Nope, just \o/ - years in the making and nearly wrapped up thanks to mlavalle :) | 17:24 |
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| mugsie | ok - thanks mlavalle ! | 17:25 |
| mugsie | #topic Stable Backport Triage (kiall - recurring) | 17:25 |
| Kiall | http://paste.openstack.org/show/487301/ | 17:25 |
| Kiall | 2 weeks of changes this week, due to midcycle | 17:25 |
| * mlavalle runs to another meeting | 17:25 | |
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| Kiall | As usual, take a few.. nominate anything we need to backport | 17:25 |
| mugsie | 0022fd8 Ensure ZoneManager emits valid objects | 17:25 |
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| Kiall | 24c957b Merge "Added Keystone and RequestID headers to CORS middleware"? maybe? did that exist in L? | 17:26 |
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| mugsie | no, and that is a feature | 17:27 |
| mugsie | any others? | 17:28 |
| Kiall | Well - CORS middleware landed in L I think | 17:28 |
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| mugsie | did it? | 17:28 |
| mugsie | huh | 17:28 |
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| mugsie | so it did | 17:29 |
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| mugsie | eh, it can go back, I am not pushed either way | 17:30 |
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| Kiall | And, it's broke when you actually try use it | 17:30 |
| Kiall | (that fix fixes it..) | 17:30 |
| timsim | That it then? | 17:30 |
| Kiall | So, any others?Just the 1? the 2? | 17:30 |
| Kiall | this thing on? | 17:30 |
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| Kiall | wow - IRC lag and a half.. | 17:30 |
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| timsim | yeah I'm super lagged | 17:30 |
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| mugsie | wow | 17:30 |
| Kiall | SO.. where were we? lol.. just the 2? just the 1 | 17:31 |
| Kiall | ? | 17:31 |
| mugsie | that just sploded with loads of text | 17:31 |
| mugsie | yeah, just 2 | 17:31 |
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| federico3 | freenode was netsplitting during the day | 17:31 |
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| Kiall | #action kiall to BP 0022fd8 Ensure ZoneManager emits valid objects | 17:31 |
| Kiall | any takers on the other? | 17:31 |
| Kiall | Easier for me to BP my own chnage ;') | 17:31 |
| mugsie | yeah, looks like wherever irccloud connects from is dying atm | 17:31 |
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| mugsie | i will do the cors one | 17:31 |
| Kiall | K | 17:31 |
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| mugsie | #action mugsie bp 24c957b | 17:32 |
| Kiall | (not that the bot is recording anything ;)) | 17:32 |
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| mugsie | #topic sonuk: tempest plugin implementation | 17:32 |
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| mugsie | sonuk: around? | 17:32 |
| sonuk | yes | 17:32 |
| mugsie | how are you getting on with the tempest plugin? | 17:32 |
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| mugsie | do you need anything from anyone? | 17:33 |
| sonuk | i did it locally its working fine . | 17:33 |
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| sonuk | i need to move functional test to plugin | 17:33 |
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| mugsie | OK, cool | 17:34 |
| sonuk | i did it locally its working fine . | 17:34 |
| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 17:34 |
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| Kiall | IRCcloud fail ^ | 17:34 |
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| mugsie | any off agenda items? | 17:34 |
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| Kiall | yea, small one.. | 17:34 |
| timsim | Vote for summit talks? | 17:34 |
| elarson | +1 | 17:34 |
| pglass | sonuk: if you can submit the plugin by itself, then I can help move functional tests over | 17:35 |
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| Kiall | I split some of the non pool conf -> DB specific changes out of that patch, so we can start landing stuff as I write more code/tests etc | 17:35 |
| elarson | fyi, I've started passing people on the left in the hallways. thanks hpe | 17:35 |
| Kiall | elarson: lol, always pass on the left! | 17:35 |
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| mugsie | Kiall: cool. there is one there that is failing (and I need :P ) | 17:36 |
| mugsie | the AttributeList one | 17:36 |
| sonuk | pglass: thanks. i can move it as i have done it locally and its working fine | 17:36 |
| Kiall | heh, I'll fix. | 17:36 |
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| mugsie | I should be updating the scheduler today at somepoint | 17:36 |
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| mugsie | anything else? | 17:37 |
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| mugsie | or am i just lagged and talking to myself | 17:37 |
| Kiall | not me from | 17:37 |
| Kiall | WTF | 17:37 |
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| Kiall | I can't type today at all | 17:37 |
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| mugsie | I have a real big wall beside me - if I wrote on that would people see it? :P | 17:38 |
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| Kiall | I would... | 17:38 |
| mugsie | might be more effient than freenode right now | 17:38 |
| timsim | lol. I think we're all done here. | 17:39 |
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| mugsie | cool | 17:39 |
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| mugsie | #endmeeting | 17:39 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 17 17:39:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-02-17-17.00.html | 17:39 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-02-17-17.00.txt | 17:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-02-17-17.00.log.html | 17:39 |
| mugsie | wait, what? | 17:39 |
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| elarson | :magic: | 17:39 |
| mugsie | it just coulnt talk | 17:39 |
| Kiall | Apparantly, it wored: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-02-17-17.00.html | 17:39 |
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| Kiall | just doesn't have ops to change the topic | 17:39 |
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| Kiall | fungi: ^ | 17:39 |
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| fungi | Kiall: thanks, i'll fix | 17:41 |
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| fungi | and yeah, it fails sane at least | 17:41 |
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| fungi | sometimes during a netsplit if it winds up on opposite sides from chanserv then when it comes back it doesn't get its topic permission readded | 17:42 |
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| Kiall | fungi: yea, seems like an unhappy netsplit day ;) | 17:49 |
| fungi | anyway, all fixed now | 17:50 |
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| amrith | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 17 18:00:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amrith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| atomic77 | \o/ | 18:01 |
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| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:01 |
| amrith | let's give everyone a couple of minutes to wander in. | 18:01 |
| nshah | o/ | 18:01 |
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| cp16net | i'm have a conflict today so amrith will be running the meeting today | 18:02 |
| amrith | courtesy reminder: johnma, peterstac, SlickNik | 18:02 |
| amrith | hi cp16net | 18:02 |
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| amrith | Just a reminder to all ... | 18:03 |
| cp16net | hello | 18:03 |
| amrith | freenode is experiencing netsplit issues. | 18:03 |
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| amrith | so be warned that the meeting may be a bit problematic. | 18:03 |
| johnma | hello | 18:03 |
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| pmalik | ☻/ | 18:04 |
| amrith | let's get started. | 18:04 |
| amrith | #topic Trove Pulse Update | 18:04 |
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| amrith | cp16net, since you are here do you want to talk about this? | 18:04 |
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| amrith | #link http://bit.ly/1VQyg00 | 18:04 |
| amrith | #link http://bit.ly/1VQyg00 | 18:04 |
| amrith | I will take that as a no. | 18:05 |
| amrith | so it looks like we had a bit of a spike last week thanks to the activity at the mid-cycle | 18:05 |
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| amrith | now the reviews and patches are trending in the right direction. | 18:05 |
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| amrith | but we have to pick up the pace on the reviews as we get close to the wire. | 18:05 |
| cp16net | agree we had a productive week! | 18:05 |
| amrith | as the queues will begin to build as we get closer to the release date. | 18:06 |
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| amrith | So far, the gate has been behaving itself (somewhat). | 18:06 |
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| amrith | thanks to cp16net and SlickNik for working through some of those issues. | 18:06 |
| amrith | late last week. | 18:06 |
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| amrith | cp16net, anything you'd like to add re: pulse | 18:06 |
| cp16net | not really | 18:07 |
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| cp16net | lets keep up the work | 18:07 |
| amrith | ok, anyone else. thoughts, comments re: pulse | 18:07 |
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| amrith | OK, moving along. | 18:08 |
| amrith | #topic Announcements | 18:08 |
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| amrith | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086362.html | 18:08 |
| amrith | The link is to an email from last week. | 18:08 |
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| amrith | We are getting close to R7 | 18:08 |
| amrith | we were getting close, we are now in R7 | 18:08 |
| cp16net | yeah just wanted everyone to see what the focus is overall | 18:09 |
| amrith | please read the email ... link attached above. | 18:09 |
| amrith | TL;DR. client release freeze is before M3. | 18:09 |
| cp16net | main call out here is 2 weeks before release date | 18:09 |
| amrith | If you are looking for the Mitaka schedule, http://releases.openstack.org/ | 18:10 |
| amrith | Sorry, wrong link | 18:10 |
| amrith | #link http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/schedule.html | 18:10 |
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| amrith | So, please make sure that you have your client changes done in time. | 18:10 |
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| amrith | Questions? | 18:11 |
| amrith | This means we have to make sure we get any python-troveclient patch sets reviewed in time. | 18:11 |
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| amrith | The full list of open python-troveclient patches at this time is | 18:12 |
| amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/python-troveclient+status:open | 18:12 |
| amrith | I see nothing at this time that would gate release other than the first one, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281042/ | 18:13 |
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| amrith | (which I just approved, seems reasonable to me). | 18:13 |
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| amrith | thanks cp16net | 18:13 |
| amrith | everyone good with the client side ... | 18:13 |
| amrith | is there anything else (other than requirements) that you think must be merged? | 18:14 |
| johnma | +1 | 18:14 |
| amrith | speak now ... | 18:14 |
| amrith | going once | 18:14 |
| dougshelley66 | hang on | 18:14 |
| amrith | ok | 18:14 |
| dougshelley66 | i believe there is a client piece for the module mgmt that peterstac is working on | 18:14 |
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| amrith | Will you be following up with him on that? | 18:15 |
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| amrith | yes? | 18:16 |
| dougshelley66 | yes will do | 18:17 |
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| amrith | #action dougshelley66 will follow up with peterstac on this. | 18:17 |
| amrith | For all ... if you have changes that require client changes, please follow up. | 18:18 |
| amrith | cp16net, just to confirm, we have no NON-CLIENT libraries in Trove, correct? | 18:18 |
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| cp16net | dashboard? | 18:19 |
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| amrith | that's true, that would be the case for Mitaka | 18:19 |
| cp16net | yeah i think thats all | 18:19 |
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| amrith | so non-client libraries ( dougshelley66 ) Dashboard libraries would be considered non-client libraries ... dloi ^^ | 18:19 |
| amrith | I don't know of anyone else who may be impacted by the dashboard libraries other than dloi and dougshelley66 | 18:20 |
| dougshelley66 | ok | 18:20 |
| amrith | #action dloi dougshelley66 re: non-client libraries for which the deadline is Feb 22-26 | 18:20 |
| amrith | going once (again) | 18:21 |
| cp16net | i started reviewing these dashboard patches | 18:21 |
| cp16net | and have the workflow i'm trying to document on how to test them locally | 18:21 |
| cp16net | dloi: helped me this morning | 18:21 |
| cp16net | thanks dloi | 18:21 |
| dloi | glad to help cp16net | 18:22 |
| amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/trove-dashboard+status:open | 18:22 |
| amrith | imandhan, ^^ please see above. You have a review on dashboard as well | 18:22 |
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| imandhan | yup, I don't think I'll be able to get that working but will try to :) | 18:23 |
| imandhan | *working by the deadline is what I meant | 18:23 |
| amrith | ok, I see you have it WF-1 so that's cool. | 18:24 |
| amrith | that isn't a marked bug so that's fine. | 18:24 |
| amrith | marked ~ targeted for Mitaka | 18:24 |
| amrith | Ok, that brings us to the next thing on the agenda | 18:24 |
| amrith | #topic Health check on outstanding blueprints and features for Mitaka | 18:24 |
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| amrith | #link https://launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/mitaka-3 | 18:24 |
| amrith | We are now down to a small number of BP's and reviews marked for Mitaka. | 18:25 |
| amrith | I'll quickly run through them. | 18:25 |
| amrith | vkmc, yt? | 18:25 |
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| vkmc | amrith, here | 18:25 |
| amrith | The couchdb datastore configuration groups, how's sonali doing? | 18:25 |
| amrith | is it on track? | 18:25 |
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| vkmc | amrith, she is yes, we chatted earlier today, she is now working on addressing the comments on the implementation | 18:26 |
| vkmc | amrith, she also replied to the comments on the spec AFAIK | 18:26 |
| amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263980/ | 18:26 |
| amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271781/ | 18:26 |
| amrith | We need the spec (first link) to be reviewed. | 18:26 |
| amrith | vkmc, if you'll be able to take the lead on that, it will help make others follow | 18:27 |
| amrith | she just updaed it earlier today, I think | 18:27 |
| johnma | vkmc, she didnt quite address cp16net's commentsin the previous patch which is why I wasnt sure whether she was planning to put out another review | 18:27 |
| vkmc | amrith, sure | 18:28 |
| vkmc | johnma, let me check cp16net comments | 18:28 |
| amrith | johnma, vkmc, does it make sense for the two of you to take this up, maybe after the meeting. if you discuss on #openstack-trove, others will be able to pitch in. | 18:28 |
| vkmc | sure | 18:28 |
| johnma | sure will do that | 18:28 |
| amrith | #action johnma vkmc, follow up on couchdb configuration group spec | 18:28 |
| amrith | cp16net, how's your stuff? pxc grow shrink and pxc cluster root enable | 18:28 |
| cp16net | grow shirnk is merged | 18:29 |
| cp16net | root enable is updated yesterday | 18:29 |
| cp16net | ready for review i believe | 18:29 |
| amrith | cp16net, there's some -1's on pxc cluster | 18:30 |
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| amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266005/ | 18:31 |
| cp16net | ok something showed up this morning | 18:31 |
| amrith | yes, so there are a number of more blueprints and instead of going through each one, one at a time. how about we try this ... | 18:31 |
| amrith | is anyone working on a BP or change that you feel is in jeoprady, or where you need something (review, response, help) speak now ... | 18:32 |
| amrith | that request goes out to vkmc, imandhan, mvandijk, vgnbkr, peterstac, atomic77, cp16net, pmalik, | 18:32 |
| cp16net | ok there isjust a minor change i need to make on that patch | 18:33 |
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| amrith | for bugs, dougshelley66 and me | 18:33 |
| amrith | fyi: I have to get cracking on my bug relative to devstack | 18:34 |
| amrith | ok, so if there is a review, or a BP that is stalled, please speak now ... | 18:34 |
| johnma | amrith, i will be putting out another patch for my couchdb backups today - from last week's feedback I needed to add data for int-tests. | 18:35 |
| johnma | apart from that I am good | 18:35 |
| amrith | ok, johnma | 18:35 |
| amrith | which is a good lead in to the next topic on the agenda, right? | 18:35 |
| johnma | yes | 18:35 |
| imandhan | yup | 18:35 |
| amrith | #topic [imandhan, johnma] Follow up discussion from midcycle on handling of users while performing db2 backup and restore. Associated Review #246709 | 18:36 |
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| amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246709/ | 18:36 |
| imandhan | I wanted to bring up the issue of users when handling db2 backups in trove as discussed at the mid cycle previously. | 18:36 |
| imandhan | We’ve been discussing this internally with DB2 experts and they confirmed that DB2 does not manage users and hence backups are just database backups. So moving forward we have two options- | 18:36 |
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| imandhan | option 1: to not implement user backups | 18:36 |
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| imandhan | option 2: to be consistent with other datastores in trove, partially implement user backups by getting the list of users from the system catalog tables and then create them on the new instance with default pwds | 18:37 |
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| vgnbkr | amrith, I'm having to rework the notifications change as it has been waiting for a review so long that it is now out of date. The MariaDB clustering change is also waiting on reviews. | 18:37 |
| amrith | vgnbkr, one second. let's finish up on the db2 thing. will get back to you on your items. | 18:37 |
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| amrith | imandhan, I have some questions for you re: those options. | 18:38 |
| imandhan | sure | 18:38 |
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| amrith | IIRC, the discussion at mid-cycle was to find out from DB2 experts how they wish to do backups of a db2 database. | 18:38 |
| amrith | and to then implement those best practices in the db2 backup code within trove. | 18:39 |
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| amrith | I think the options you present seem to address the issue from the Trove perspective | 18:39 |
| amrith | rather than the perspective of an end-user of Trove who is really looking for DB2 best practices. | 18:39 |
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| imandhan | Based on discussions I have had with DB2 folks, the best way to move forward is to go up with option 2 | 18:39 |
| amrith | Therefore I think the options you present may be the wrong ones to be considering at this stage. | 18:39 |
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| imandhan | but I want a green light from trove perspective | 18:40 |
| imandhan | to go ahead and implement it | 18:40 |
| mvandijk | ./ | 18:40 |
| amrith | OK, speaking for myself, I believe that ... | 18:40 |
| mvandijk | I think #1 is the way to go. | 18:40 |
| amrith | I should shut up and let mvandijk speak | 18:40 |
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| amrith | go ahead mvandijk | 18:41 |
| mvandijk | typing | 18:41 |
| amrith | eager minds would love to know more ;) | 18:41 |
| johnma | so amrith, from DB2 perspective they dont manage users but only database backups | 18:41 |
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| mvandijk | In the db2 world back and restore is not concerned with users, so I don't think we should try and magically make it fit trove's perspective. | 18:42 |
| mvandijk | copying system users around is not a good path to go down | 18:42 |
| imandhan | is it okay to be inconsistent within trove though? | 18:42 |
| mvandijk | sure. we do it all the time :) | 18:42 |
| mvandijk | database engines are different | 18:43 |
| johnma | which is why the basic authentication mechanism for DB2 is os authentication or they also provide plugins for LDAP and kerberos based systems which manage users | 18:43 |
| mvandijk | what you have now does what a db2 dba expects us to do | 18:43 |
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| johnma | I agree with mvandijk that option 1 might be the right approach and 2) is trying to fit to Trove's way of doing backups | 18:44 |
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| imandhan | ok well if it's ok to not fit into the ideal trove scenario we should go with 1 | 18:44 |
| mvandijk | amrith any arguments? | 18:45 |
| imandhan | and db2 within trove uses os auth so there's no question about users being backed up anyway | 18:45 |
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| mvandijk | no arguments here | 18:46 |
| amrith | ok, so let me ask ... | 18:46 |
| amrith | caveat: I know nothing about db2 | 18:46 |
| amrith | If I had a db2 database | 18:46 |
| amrith | and like other databases, I had permissions for objects | 18:46 |
| amrith | how does a backup handle these permissions? | 18:46 |
| amrith | when I restore the database | 18:46 |
| amrith | are the permissions (a) gone, (b) a mess, (c) perfectly A-OK | 18:46 |
| mvandijk | recreate users to match the schema owners i believe | 18:47 |
| amrith | that's question #1 | 18:47 |
| amrith | Here's question #2 | 18:47 |
| amrith | if I wandered up to a bunch of DB2 DBA's and they were running a DB2 database and I asked them what they'd expect of a backup (using whatever the state of the art tools are for DB2 backups), would that answer include that on restore, users were restored? | 18:48 |
| amrith | And finally, here's question #3 | 18:48 |
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| amrith | Should we do what we set forth as the common abstraction for backups, or what a DBA for the specific database would expect even if it were different from our common abstraction? | 18:48 |
| amrith | those ar the three questions I have. | 18:48 |
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| amrith | And I realize that we may not be able to (or have the time to) answer those here and now. | 18:49 |
| amrith | So if we have to table this and pick it up later, let's do that. | 18:49 |
| johnma | when the databases are restored, the permissions will be stored in the syscatalog tables | 18:49 |
| mvandijk | for #2 - if not using ldap/kerberos you would be expected to recreate the users manually | 18:49 |
| amrith | but I will ask what the timeframe is on this. | 18:49 |
| imandhan | DB2 DBAs would not expect users to be restored | 18:49 |
| amrith | when do we need to know? | 18:49 |
| amrith | ok, sounds like the answer is: | 18:50 |
| amrith | do a backup of data and system tables | 18:50 |
| amrith | on restore, restore data and system tables. | 18:50 |
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| johnma | these users will have to be created on the new instance | 18:50 |
| amrith | if and when the os users are created, the permissions will fall into place. | 18:50 |
| amrith | yes? | 18:50 |
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| imandhan | right | 18:50 |
| johnma | oh boy, I am typing real slow. | 18:50 |
| amrith | OK, so that answers question 1 and 2. | 18:50 |
| amrith | What then about 3? | 18:50 |
| johnma | reading 3) | 18:51 |
| amrith | I interpret mvandijk's answer to mean that he would do what the DBA would expect of each database. | 18:51 |
| amrith | and each database is different. | 18:51 |
| amrith | I don't see anything in this implementation that would preclude a later addition to allow backup to backup and restore users. | 18:51 |
| imandhan | I +1 mvandijk on that if trove is ok with a different approach | 18:51 |
| amrith | so I would be inclined to say, yes, do what you are describing. | 18:51 |
| mvandijk | +1 | 18:52 |
| amrith | don't bother about users, that's the end-user's issue to address. | 18:52 |
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| imandhan | right, that's the approach db2 takes and therefore the various auth methods outside of db2 | 18:52 |
| amrith | I would suggest you document it as such and we can revisit later if other information comes up which necessitates it. | 18:52 |
| amrith | is that OK to all? | 18:52 |
| imandhan | document it in comments in the code or changes to spec? | 18:53 |
| johnma | so Amrith, when we talk about backups in Trove, do we specifically mention anywhere that it is both database and user backup | 18:53 |
| amrith | johnma, not that I know of. | 18:53 |
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| amrith | I believe that we just say that we take a backup of a database. | 18:53 |
| johnma | thats right | 18:53 |
| amrith | ok, so in the interest of time, and since I promised vgnbkr that we'd get back to him, I'm going to move forward. | 18:54 |
| amrith | #topic mariadb clustering and notification changes [vgnbkr] | 18:54 |
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| amrith | Morgan, the changes you mention are | 18:54 |
| amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227870/ | 18:55 |
| amrith | and #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276808/ | 18:55 |
| amrith | are they not? | 18:55 |
| amrith | Folks, both of these are targeted for Mitaka and we need to get them reviewed. | 18:55 |
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| vgnbkr | Yes, I think so. I was just responding to your question to me. | 18:55 |
| amrith | Could you all please put them on your list of things to review. | 18:56 |
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| vgnbkr | But as I said, don't look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227870/ (Ceilometer Notifications) until I update it. | 18:56 |
| amrith | ok, <all> ^^ | 18:57 |
| amrith | moving on | 18:57 |
| amrith | #topic Open Discussion | 18:57 |
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| cp16net | #info i'm working on adding trove support to openstack4j in my spare time. https://github.com/gondor/openstack4j/issues/299 | 18:58 |
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| amrith | interesting | 18:58 |
| amrith | will take a look at that | 18:58 |
| amrith | others? | 18:58 |
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| cp16net | i've made some progress on it but it would be nice to get a ruby version as well | 18:59 |
| cp16net | i think that will get us to the # of apis to help the "stable" tag | 18:59 |
| amrith | the maturity score, yes. | 18:59 |
| cp16net | yeah thats what i was getting at | 18:59 |
| amrith | anyone else, we're close to being out of time. | 18:59 |
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| amrith | going once | 19:00 |
| amrith | going twice | 19:00 |
| amrith | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 17 19:00:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-02-17-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-02-17-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-02-17-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
| cp16net | thanks amrith | 19:00 |
| amrith | thanks everyone | 19:00 |
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| fnaval | o/ | 19:59 |
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| bharathm | Hii | 20:00 |
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| johnsom | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 17 20:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | Howdy, howdy! | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| * mhayden stumbles in | 20:00 | |
| johnsom | Hi folks | 20:00 |
| fnaval | hi | 20:00 |
| blogan | hello | 20:00 |
| blogan | \o/ | 20:00 |
| ajmiller | o/ | 20:00 |
| minwang2 | o/ | 20:00 |
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| johnsom | Let's roll as we have a long agenda today | 20:00 |
| rm_work | o/ | 20:00 |
| johnsom | #topic Announcements | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
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| johnsom | L7 stuff is under review | 20:00 |
| johnsom | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-l7-todo-list | 20:00 |
| blogan | and under assault | 20:01 |
| johnsom | Please try it out and review the patches. | 20:01 |
| sbalukoff | Haha | 20:01 |
| madhu_ak | \o/ | 20:01 |
| dougwig | o/ | 20:01 |
| sbalukoff | Also, we need more attention on the Neutron-LBaaS side of things. | 20:01 |
| johnsom | Well, yes, but that has happened to all of us, so I wasn't going to rub more salt. | 20:01 |
| sbalukoff | We have a couple reviews there for shared pools that have sat without reviews all last week. | 20:01 |
| blogan | i like salt | 20:01 |
| johnsom | Today is the last day to vote for summit sessions | 20:01 |
| johnsom | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Austin-LBaaS-talks | 20:01 |
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| TrevorV | o/ | 20:02 |
| Aish | o/ | 20:02 |
| johnsom | This link has the LBaaS related talks that I am aware of, add as needed | 20:02 |
| bana_k | hi | 20:02 |
| johnsom | #topic Mitaka blueprints/rfes/m-3 bugs for neutron-lbaas and octavia | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mitaka blueprints/rfes/m-3 bugs for neutron-lbaas and octavia (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:02 | |
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| johnsom | dougwig Any items you want to hit before I bring up Octavia bugs? | 20:02 |
| dougwig | johnsom: no, go for it | 20:03 |
| johnsom | Ok, I went through the Octavia bugs yesterday and tagged the ones I think we should try to get done for Mitaka | 20:03 |
| johnsom | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bugs?field.tag=target-mitaka | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | Nice! | 20:03 |
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| johnsom | I'm open for comment on the list. I'm extra open to people assigning these to themselves and working on them! | 20:04 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok, I'll start chewing through that list as I wait for feedback on the L7 stuff. | 20:04 |
| ptoohill | I have a review out for 1489963 that i probably wont get to any time soon | 20:05 |
| johnsom | I'll let folks have time to look at these and we can review next week what is open, comments, etc. Or bring them up in the channel | 20:05 |
| ptoohill | It requires restarting the service, which doesnt seem to work at all | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: Sounds good. | 20:05 |
| johnsom | Yeah, that service restart issue is on the list below as well. xgerman is the current owner. | 20:06 |
| johnsom | Would love an update | 20:06 |
| ptoohill | :) | 20:06 |
| xgerman | :-) | 20:06 |
| johnsom | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bug/1496628 | 20:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1496628 in octavia "Amphora agent reload fails with socket in use" [High,In progress] - Assigned to German Eichberger (german-eichberger) | 20:06 |
| xgerman | yeah, need to find time to look.fix | 20:07 |
| johnsom | Ok. If you think you can work on it great, otherwise we should take you off as owner | 20:07 |
| johnsom | #action xgerman to work on https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bug/1496628 | 20:07 |
| xgerman | I wouldn’t put myself into a critical path | 20:08 |
| johnsom | #topic Tempest-Plugin for Octavia tempest tests | 20:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest-Plugin for Octavia tempest tests (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:08 | |
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| johnsom | Madhu you have the floor | 20:08 |
| ptoohill | if we figure that out then my review should start working. I added the config and code to bind to proper ip | 20:08 |
| madhu_ak | would like to see tempest integration with octavia tempest tests. Currently in lbaas, it is hardcoding the test discovery for tempest tests, which I feel, it is not the right thing to do. It can be implemented easily as per: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tempest/plugin.html | 20:08 |
| madhu_ak | I can push a dummy patch in octavia for tempest plugin. Depending on the patch, I can create a job for the same without touching gate hooks. | 20:08 |
| TrevorV | madhu_ak have you talked with fnaval about this at all? | 20:09 |
| madhu_ak | fnaval: Is that sounds good to you? | 20:09 |
| madhu_ak | nope TrevorV maybe we need to talk about this and keep going ? | 20:09 |
| blogan | using the plugin sounds like a good idea overall | 20:10 |
| fnaval | i've barely seen how the plugin works - do other projects use this as well | 20:10 |
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| fnaval | i'm worried that we may be the early adopters of it, and thus have issues with it | 20:10 |
| blogan | i dont know if there are any issues with it though | 20:10 |
| johnsom | We can spend a little time here if everyone is present. I know we talked about this at the mid-cycle and we need to keep moving on tests for Octavia | 20:10 |
| madhu_ak | yes. For VPN, it is in review. for FW, it is already implemented. | 20:10 |
| dougwig | did the lbaas tests ever get converted to being a tempest plugin? | 20:10 |
| sbalukoff | Agreed-- I am looking forward to having real scenario tests for Octavia. :) | 20:11 |
| madhu_ak | sadly no | 20:11 |
| fnaval | the neutron-lbaas tests have not become a plugin; I was unaware that is was a requirement | 20:11 |
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| johnsom | dougwig Is this a requirement or nice to have? Is it something that is high priority? | 20:12 |
| TrevorV | madhu_ak I think I'm missing something. fnaval has a review with octavia tempest tests already, is there some reason those are insufficient? | 20:12 |
| fnaval | we have scenario test in review that does not implement the plugin interface; but we can definitely look into that as a later refactor? | 20:12 |
| madhu_ak | yep. the crent tempest tests for octavia will not be disturbed at all. | 20:13 |
| madhu_ak | current* | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | Would using the plugin mean we have to copy less of the tempest tree into Octavia? | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | (ie. helps us avoid code that will surely become crufty in Octavia?) | 20:13 |
| madhu_ak | it is just for runnign the tests as a part of gate job | 20:13 |
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| dougwig | johnsom: tempest team is waiting on us to undo the mess of cloned tempest, but that mostly affects us being broken. | 20:14 |
| TrevorV | Okay, what's the idea here. We don't want tempest testing in tree? Is that what this is supposed to fix? | 20:14 |
| fnaval | the tests should still be in-tree; what i'm missing is what does the plugin accomplish? i guess if we were testing internal implementations, it would be easy to plug in different test cases | 20:15 |
| fnaval | since upstream would differ from down | 20:15 |
| rm_work | it's for test discovery | 20:15 |
| madhu_ak | nope. We can have tempest tree in our tree. rather than hardcoding the test patch in gate hooks, its best to have tempest plguin that wil discover the tests path automatically | 20:15 |
| rm_work | i mentioned this at the midcycle | 20:15 |
| dougwig | fnaval: we currently have half of tempest cloned into neutron-lbaas, interfacing with tempest-lib. it's very brittle. | 20:15 |
| madhu_ak | have tempest tests* | 20:16 |
| johnsom | dougwig +1 | 20:16 |
| fnaval | so, the octavia tests are using tempest_lib; as I understand it now, there is a request to also use tempest plugins | 20:16 |
| minwang2 | the current octavia tempest test is more like a combination of tempest and tempest-lib | 20:16 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:16 |
| rm_work | having the plugin stuff done is a good idea IMO | 20:17 |
| ptoohill | fnaval: has put quite a bit of work in from where min left off | 20:17 |
| ptoohill | im not sure thats the case anymore minwang2 | 20:17 |
| sbalukoff | Yeah. | 20:17 |
| rm_work | i just wasn't sure of the work effort involved -- if madhu_ak knows how to do it, and can easily do so, i say go for it | 20:17 |
| dougwig | my latest understanding is that tempest-lib is going away in favor of 'tempest' being in pypi, btw. so plugins are the future. | 20:17 |
| rm_work | we'll merge what makes sense | 20:17 |
| madhu_ak | yep. lets go for it. | 20:17 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:17 |
| TrevorV | rm_work I'm not sure what we're talking about changing... Is it like adding a line above each test or a header in each file that allows tempest to magically pick up what tests its supposed to run? | 20:18 |
| fnaval | if you can do it with neutron-lbaas or direct me to an example implementation using Tempest plugins with FwaaS, I can research it | 20:18 |
| blogan | dougwig: but tempest-lib was the future | 20:18 |
| fnaval | madhu_ak: | 20:18 |
| rm_work | it's kinda like how devstack-plugin works | 20:18 |
| blogan | dougwig: who's to say tempest in pypi isn't an alternate future as well | 20:18 |
| rm_work | it just changes how the gate scripts are written to simplify stuff | 20:18 |
| dougwig | it's openstack, the future changes before it arrives. | 20:18 |
| xgerman | yeah, there is a reason I was advocating rally | 20:18 |
| ptoohill | lol | 20:18 |
| rm_work | >_< | 20:18 |
| madhu_ak | sure, fnaval I shall post some links to keep moving forward | 20:18 |
| johnsom | I am just looking for the alternate future where we have good scenario test coverage and it's clear for people how to write new tests. | 20:19 |
| fnaval | madhu_ak: thanks. any help is appreciated | 20:19 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:19 |
| blogan | johnsom: that is the future that shall not exist | 20:19 |
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| minwang2 | tempest-lib mostly overwrites a lot of the methods in tempest, in octavia some of the methods cannot call it directly from tempest-lib, that’s why we can see the combination of tempest and temespt-lib | 20:19 |
| sbalukoff | haha | 20:19 |
| fnaval | what is up for review totally works now, but if we have the time to refactor it again, I can definitely do that. but I strongly think it should be a future task. | 20:19 |
| madhu_ak | +1 fnaval | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | That sounds reasonable to me. | 20:20 |
| blogan | yeah | 20:20 |
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| madhu_ak | however tempest_plugon implementation will no way affect fnaval's patch | 20:20 |
| johnsom | Ok, so the plan for Mitaka is move forward with the work fnaval has been doing (Thank you!) and for Newton look at tempest plugin? | 20:20 |
| fnaval | cool madhu_ak | 20:20 |
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| dougwig | this is openstack, we should -2 it because someone might someday do it differently. | 20:21 |
| ptoohill | +1 | 20:21 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 20:21 |
| johnsom | dougwig Let's vote on the -2 | 20:22 |
| rm_work | johnsom: it's not really a big deal, we can get it in now probably if it's ready | 20:22 |
| rm_work | it doesn't affect the actual test code | 20:22 |
| madhu_ak | +1 rm_work | 20:22 |
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| rm_work | they're ... really fairly unrelated as much as that's possible | 20:22 |
| johnsom | Ok, just trying to understand what was decided. So, parallel development? | 20:22 |
| johnsom | Ok, got it. | 20:22 |
| xgerman | who has the action? | 20:22 |
| minwang2 | how it would be better for us to review, how much workload for this plugin madhu_ak | 20:22 |
| johnsom | #agreed Move forward with current scenario tests, in parallel madhu_ak will implement tempest plugin for Octavia | 20:23 |
| madhu_ak | plugin implementation can take a day or two to push a patch | 20:23 |
| madhu_ak | agreed | 20:23 |
| minwang2 | cool | 20:23 |
| xgerman | #action made_ak add plugin code | 20:23 |
| johnsom | Nice. | 20:23 |
| fnaval | cool - please involve me with that madhu_ak as I want to know more about how that works | 20:23 |
| TrevorV | xgerman mispelling names since 2014 | 20:23 |
| johnsom | #topic Octavia models | 20:24 |
| madhu_ak | sure fnaval | 20:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Octavia models (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:24 | |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 20:24 |
| fnaval | thanks madhu_ak | 20:24 |
| xgerman | lol | 20:24 |
| madhu_ak | heh | 20:24 |
| johnsom | Ok, I will start, RED | 20:24 |
| johnsom | No, just kidding. So we had a loooooonnnnggg discussion about the models Friday. Monday I think they got fixed. | 20:24 |
| johnsom | Is there more we need to discuss here? | 20:24 |
| sbalukoff | Not until after Mitaka, I think. | 20:24 |
| rm_work | assuming the fix works :) | 20:25 |
| sbalukoff | So long as L7 doesn't get blocked because of it. ;) | 20:25 |
| blogan | maybe discuss the possibility of moving away from the static data models, to just using the SA models throughout | 20:25 |
| xgerman | can we get some ERD diagram | 20:25 |
| xgerman | ? | 20:25 |
| johnsom | Ok, yeah, there was some talk of moving to sqlalchemy models. Definitely post Mitaka | 20:25 |
| blogan | yep | 20:25 |
| dougwig | we should vote on when to discuss votig. | 20:25 |
| sbalukoff | Haha | 20:25 |
| johnsom | dougwig don't tempt me | 20:25 |
| xgerman | well, I like to have some more architecture docs — | 20:26 |
| johnsom | Ok, so we are cool on the models and order for the Mitaka release. My testing so far today looks good. | 20:26 |
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| johnsom | Probably a few more little bugs (need to check the peer ports bana_k mentioned), but we should be able to fix those. | 20:26 |
| sbalukoff | Yay! | 20:26 |
| johnsom | #topic Ideas for other options for the single management network (blogan) | 20:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ideas for other options for the single management network (blogan) (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:27 | |
| johnsom | blogan You have the floor | 20:27 |
| dougwig | ssh driver! | 20:27 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Almost dead! | 20:28 |
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| xgerman | is dougwig a bot? | 20:28 |
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| johnsom | dougwig It's dead!!!! sbalukoff is an over-achiever | 20:28 |
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| dougwig | dougwig got up early today, so he closely approximates a bot, but less useful. | 20:28 |
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| * mhayden finds this topic intriguing ;) | 20:28 | |
| johnsom | Well, I haven't reviewed yet, but it warmed my heart to see the patch | 20:28 |
| blogan | oh god sorry | 20:28 |
| blogan | im back | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: I'm probably missing something important, because it was way too easy to kill. :/ | 20:28 |
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| * dougwig mutters about over-complicated over-engineering, and picks up his red stapler. | 20:29 | |
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| johnsom | blogan You have the floor for your mgmt-net topic | 20:29 |
| Apsu | No more ssh driver makes me happy after seeing how it did its business... | 20:29 |
| blogan | so roiginally the single mgmt net was a solution that either meant deployers use a provider network for it, or we come up with something better in the future | 20:29 |
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| bharathm | sbalukoff: I commented on your ssh-driver removal patch | 20:29 |
| blogan | well we should start coming up with an optional better way to do it | 20:29 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Agreed! | 20:29 |
| * rm_work still likes the ssh-driver <_< | 20:30 | |
| blogan | one way is just create a mgmt net for eveyr lb and connect all controllers to this mgmt net, that has scaling issues but can be solved with more complicated clustering | 20:30 |
| * sbalukoff beats rm_work with a stick. | 20:30 | |
| sbalukoff | blogan: What's the problem we're trying to solve by making that change? | 20:31 |
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| johnsom | The idea I have had is to have one or more controller networks, that are routable with many amphora mgmt networks, likely managed by housekeeping. | 20:31 |
| mhayden | blogan: makes me wonder if we could use IPv6 to help with the scalability somehow | 20:31 |
| blogan | antoher is what johnsom suggested yesterday in that we have a single controller network that every controller is plugged into, a router is also plugged into it, and each lb has its own network plugged into the router | 20:31 |
| johnsom | mhayden Yes, IPv6 is good | 20:31 |
| sbalukoff | mhayden: +1 | 20:31 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:31 |
| mhayden | a /64 subnet would serve a LOT of LB's :) | 20:32 |
| * mhayden skips the math | 20:32 | |
| xgerman | well, I think we just support a list of management networks and leave it to the operator to set that up | 20:32 |
| johnsom | blogan LB, tenant, or some number of amphora | 20:32 |
| blogan | mhayden: the scale problem for option 1 is the number of ports is multiplied by the number of controllers, give or take a few | 20:32 |
| sbalukoff | I like johnsom's idea. Means the controller doesn't have to re-bind when a new loadbalancer is deployed. | 20:32 |
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| mhayden | blogan: ah, do we have a neutron limitation when we have too many ports on a particular subnet/network? | 20:32 |
| blogan | mhayden: in our public cloud yes :) | 20:33 |
| xgerman | I think we should leave it to the operator and just support a way for them to tell us where to plug | 20:33 |
| * johnsom notes sbalukoff likes my idea in the history book | 20:33 | |
| blogan | we have a limit per network, and a global limit | 20:33 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 20:33 |
| mhayden | what if an LB only had connectivity in the tenant's network? | 20:33 |
| Apsu | Seems like I'll be in the minority, but I'd prefer to not have a management "network" at all. Management in Neutron across basically every other service is out-of-band, on purpose. | 20:33 |
| mhayden | we'd have issues reaching out to it from wherever octavia is running (possibly) | 20:33 |
| johnsom | Some folks have mentioned number as low as ~250 ports per network. | 20:33 |
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| TrevorV | Apsu how would you connect to a LB for maintenance tasks or something similar? Over the customer network? | 20:34 |
| blogan | Apsu: yeah another option is realize a way to meet our requirements without a mgmt network, if its possible | 20:34 |
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| xgerman | well, can we agree that having only one management net si limiting? | 20:34 |
| mhayden | perhaps octavia could have an agent/worker of some sort that sits on the tenant network? as routers do today | 20:34 |
| blogan | xgerman: a pool of mgmt networks, how would that be different than a mgmt network for each lb | 20:35 |
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| Apsu | TrevorV: Well there's a few options for getting data in/out without having to couple the data and control plane networks. Metadata, mountpoints, agent/worker on tenant (per mhayden), etc. | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: +1 | 20:35 |
| blogan | xgerman: yes we can if its not a provider network | 20:35 |
| mhayden | if we put the LB *only* on the tenant network, we would be eating additional IP addresses in the tenant network to support the LB, which is annoying :/ | 20:35 |
| johnsom | So, this is a Newton project. How do you all want to start working on it? An etherpad for ideas? | 20:36 |
| TrevorV | mhayden isn't that also the case with an agent/worker on their network? | 20:36 |
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| sbalukoff | mhayden: LB in the tenant network probably wouldn't happen with active-active. | 20:36 |
| Apsu | mhayden: Yep. Another reason I don't like having a network for management whatsoever, insofar as "network" means "something neutron/nova configure out of the cloud's resources" | 20:36 |
| mhayden | TrevorV: indeed it is :/ | 20:36 |
| xgerman | johnsom sounds goopd | 20:36 |
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| rm_work | we had discussed putting an agent on the *VM host*, don't know where that went or if it's feasible in real deployments (might not be) | 20:37 |
| sbalukoff | Apsu: i don't see that as a show-stopper. We're consuming resources on the cloud by launching amphorae. | 20:37 |
| mhayden | or another idea is to build a couple of LB VM's per tenant and put containers/namespaces in that VM | 20:37 |
| mhayden | but we could be putting a lot of eggs into one basket | 20:37 |
| rm_work | yeah, not a huge fan of that | 20:37 |
| TrevorV | Same | 20:37 |
| sbalukoff | Yep. | 20:37 |
| Apsu | sbalukoff: Sure. Personally I'd prefer to see a namespace driver, but that's probably also a minority opinion. | 20:37 |
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| Apsu | On the plus side, it gives you the OOB control for free, given shared process namespace. | 20:37 |
| sbalukoff | Apsu: Namespace driver doesn't scale. | 20:37 |
| TrevorV | rm_work the agent per VM host still communicated over a network we built for the Octavia service, which still counts as a "management network" of sorts | 20:38 |
| sbalukoff | The whole *point* of Octavia is scale. | 20:38 |
| Apsu | sbalukoff: Well, it's not as automatic to scale if you equate namespaces with "don't run on compute nodes", sure | 20:38 |
| dougwig | i don't think we should spend any more time on the namespace driver. it's not the ref. if someone wants to take it on, fine. | 20:38 |
| Apsu | But nothing prevents you from using network namespaces on compute nodes, without actually running in VMs. | 20:38 |
| xgerman | dougwig +1 | 20:39 |
| johnsom | Ok, let's collect ideas in an etherpad | 20:39 |
| johnsom | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Octavia_Mgmt_Net_Ideas | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | Apsu: I think that's really far from the direction we were planning on taking with Octavia. Far enough to be its own load balancer project, perhaps. | 20:39 |
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| mhayden | could we formally deprecate the namespace driver in mitaka/newton for lbaasv2? | 20:39 |
| xgerman | that has been controversial since it has it’s fnas | 20:40 |
| xgerman | fans | 20:40 |
| johnsom | mhayden It would probably need to be O since is is used | 20:40 |
| Apsu | sbalukoff: Fair enough. I'll leave that alone. I still think OOB comms is a worthwhile pursuit | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | mhayden: I would like to; I think we need to make sure that Octavia deployment is simpler and performance is definitely at or better than namespace to do that. | 20:40 |
| dougwig | i'd vote to deprecate and let someone maintain in a separate repo if they want. | 20:40 |
| xgerman | dougwig +1 | 20:41 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: +1 | 20:41 |
| xgerman | so #startvote | 20:41 |
| blogan | i still kind of like having it as a simpler driver | 20:41 |
| mhayden | i'm happy to help with some octavia docs, but i'll need some help on that to get the concepts right | 20:41 |
| johnsom | Sounds like another agenda topic to cover at the next meeting? I would like to advertise that one before a vote. | 20:41 |
| sbalukoff | mhayden: I'll do my best to help you there. | 20:41 |
| xgerman | ha | 20:41 |
| sbalukoff | Please ping me. | 20:41 |
| blogan | with new features, right now we have to implement it in octavia and neutron-lbaas, which sucks | 20:41 |
| johnsom | #topic Do we need an admin tenant? (blogan) | 20:42 |
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| johnsom | Please update the etherpad with mgmt-net ideas. Moving on to blogan's next gernade | 20:42 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! Ok. | 20:42 |
| blogan | yeah so neutron has rbac now, which allows a user to say this tenant can create ports on my network | 20:42 |
| blogan | basically | 20:42 |
| mhayden | to be fair, i pushed blogan to throw these grenades :P | 20:42 |
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| blogan | mhayden: well they're good topics anyway, the mgmt net needs improving, and if people are adverse to having an admin account then it should be noted at least | 20:43 |
| johnsom | Sounds like the ACL fun we are having with barbican | 20:43 |
| sbalukoff | Yep. | 20:44 |
| blogan | johnsom: yep, however, we could just use an admin account to only set the rbac policy to allow a normal octavia user to do it | 20:44 |
| xgerman | Yeah, BBQ is a time sink for me | 20:44 |
| rm_work | yeah I don't think ACLs are working properly in consumers still | 20:44 |
| blogan | so it lessens the admin calls, but still would require an admin account | 20:44 |
| dougwig | blogan: we don't gate on it or test it *at all*. that sounds deprecated to me. | 20:44 |
| rm_work | someone needs to poke at some barbican devs, i haven't had time/priority to look at it | 20:44 |
| rm_work | i had a patch up a while back | 20:44 |
| * blogan hops in his time machine to reply to dougwig's comment | 20:45 | |
| xgerman | then there are nova quotas which require an admin count to be changed | 20:45 |
| blogan | xgerman: true, so there's probaby a lot of little gotchas like that | 20:45 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:46 |
| blogan | but in that case, that should be the deployer who ups those quotas for the octavia user | 20:46 |
| xgerman | and this is where I have spend some of my time recently ;-) | 20:46 |
| blogan | but octavia will automatically do security group rules, which may require admin access, i honestly can't remember | 20:46 |
| xgerman | yep, we do | 20:46 |
| johnsom | blogan If we still need an admin account, what is it really buying us? | 20:46 |
| TrevorV | Okay so the answer is, "yes we need an admin tenant" | 20:46 |
| TrevorV | Is that it? | 20:46 |
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| xgerman | well, you could make roles in kesytone | 20:47 |
| xgerman | there is admin stuff we don’t need | 20:47 |
| blogan | johnsom: the point of tihs discussion is if htere's a way to not have an admin account we should use it and rbac seemed like a possibility but sounds like there's a lot of gotchas on it | 20:47 |
| bharathm | We can have a different tenant.. but admin role to do all the above | 20:47 |
| Apsu | Role membership seems like a reasonable middle ground. Least privilege required and such | 20:48 |
| sbalukoff | Is this because permissions on "admin" stuff aren't granular enough? | 20:48 |
| blogan | could be, and if thats the case then the roles and policy can be done by deployers | 20:48 |
| blogan | and this is a moot subject | 20:49 |
| blogan | if thats the solution | 20:49 |
| TrevorV | A better question for me is, why don't we want admin tenant if we can use it? | 20:49 |
| xgerman | if octavia gets compromised... | 20:49 |
| blogan | the more admin accounts, the greater the attack vectors | 20:49 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: "Least privilege" is a basic security requirement in most places. | 20:49 |
| ptoohill | disable octavia service account? | 20:49 |
| Apsu | ^ | 20:49 |
| johnsom | blogan Newton time frame? | 20:50 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: +1 | 20:50 |
| blogan | johnsom: or its a deployer problem | 20:50 |
| johnsom | or is this something that is more urgent for folks? | 20:50 |
| blogan | johnsom: but yeah never intended to be for Mitaka | 20:50 |
| johnsom | Ok | 20:51 |
| blogan | would require too much work | 20:51 |
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| xgerman | deployer problem | 20:51 |
| johnsom | I think the unique tenant/account with roles might be a good way to go. I'm not sure about the RBAC stuff as I haven't really looked at it. | 20:51 |
| johnsom | #topic LBaaS tests with OVN in the gate? | 20:52 |
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| johnsom | Someone added this one to the agenda | 20:52 |
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| johnsom | Anyone claim it? dougwig? You seem to like more gates.... | 20:53 |
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| dougwig | any context on this topic? | 20:53 |
| johnsom | Just the line someone added to the agenda. First I have heard of it | 20:53 |
| blogan | i have no experience with OVN mitts | 20:53 |
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| sbalukoff | Huh. | 20:54 |
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| blogan | lol | 20:54 |
| blogan | ovn = oven | 20:54 |
| johnsom | Ok, if nobody claims it, I will declare it's a drive-by OVN | 20:54 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 20:54 |
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| Apsu | Drive-by baking | 20:54 |
| johnsom | #topic Open Discussion | 20:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:54 | |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: What was the name of that distro to look into to try to cut down on amphora image size? | 20:55 |
| sbalukoff | Alpine? | 20:55 |
| sbalukoff | What's its license? | 20:55 |
| xgerman | yep, alpine | 20:55 |
| mhayden | could always go with something like RancherOS and containerize ;) | 20:55 |
| Apsu | sbalukoff: What distro is it based on currently? | 20:55 |
| xgerman | #link http://www.alpinelinux.org | 20:55 |
| sbalukoff | Apsu: Ubuntu. | 20:55 |
| sbalukoff | Ok. | 20:55 |
| sbalukoff | I'll have a look. | 20:55 |
| Apsu | sbalukoff: Have you seen Ubuntu Core? | 20:55 |
| xgerman | yeah, it’s on my list | 20:56 |
| mhayden | or CoreOS? :) | 20:56 |
| xgerman | alpine | 20:56 |
| sbalukoff | mhayden: Eventually we do want containers. But it sounds like that's going to take some work. | 20:56 |
| blogan | coudl go with red star os too | 20:56 |
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| johnsom | Or clearOS | 20:56 |
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| sbalukoff | I'd just like to get to a VM that boots a lot quicker even with vmx. | 20:56 |
| xgerman | well, one negative from the last lab was memory consumption — I hope alpine can help | 20:56 |
| Apsu | sbalukoff: Would probably be the least movement from the current image, and their goal is tiny footprint. It's the basis for the new transactional pkg mgmt they're working on, too | 20:56 |
| sbalukoff | Yep. | 20:57 |
| Apsu | But seems like it might be a good candidate | 20:57 |
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| sbalukoff | Apsu: Thanks for the recommendation, eh! | 20:57 |
| johnsom | Oh, I guess it's clear linux, not clearos. The distro Intel was pitching in Vancouver | 20:57 |
| Apsu | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core yep | 20:57 |
| xgerman | yeah, I wish that disk image build had some good tiny ones build in | 20:57 |
| sbalukoff | Also: does anyone here know enough about virtualization tech to know whether using a 32-bit image would actually gain us anything? | 20:58 |
| sbalukoff | (As far as resource footprint) | 20:58 |
| johnsom | I tried the ubuntu core DIB element about six months ago. It was broken. | 20:58 |
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| sbalukoff | (since I think it's unlikely we'll need to support >4GB haproxy processes for the forseeable future...) | 20:58 |
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| sbalukoff | johnsom: aah, good to know. | 20:59 |
| johnsom | sbalukoff 32bit would get us a smaller on disk footprint. | 20:59 |
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| sbalukoff | johnsom: But on a 64-bit host, doesn't save us ram? | 20:59 |
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| Apsu | It wouldn't on modern processors, tmk. The virt engines actually work harder to run 32-bit instructions because (afaik) they use 64-bit for all memory addressing regardless of instruction size and class. | 20:59 |
| sbalukoff | Ok. | 20:59 |
| sbalukoff | So, don't bother with 32-bit. :/ | 20:59 |
| Apsu | So it's a conversion on 32-bit instructions. I could be wrong, but that's how I understand it. | 20:59 |
| johnsom | sbalukoff probably. | 20:59 |
| sbalukoff | I'll ping Dustin, as he keeps up on this far better than I... | 21:00 |
| johnsom | Ubuntu core could be worth looking at it again. It just wasn't working last time I tried it. | 21:00 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: Ok! | 21:00 |
| Apsu | I suspect talking with Canonical and mentioning the intended use of Core would probably get some hands to help make it right from their side, if it's broken | 21:00 |
| * Apsu shrugs | 21:01 | |
| johnsom | I don't see a DIB element for alpine yet, so might be some work. | 21:01 |
| johnsom | Ok, that is time. | 21:01 |
| sbalukoff | Yeah. | 21:01 |
| johnsom | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 17 21:01:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-02-17-20.00.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-02-17-20.00.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-02-17-20.00.log.html | 21:01 |
| xgerman | o/ | 21:01 |
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