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| jaypipes | o/ Nova scheduler meeting? | 14:01 |
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| Yingxin | o/ | 14:01 |
| * edleafe is waiting too | 14:01 | |
| * bauzas waves | 14:01 | |
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| edleafe | Hmmm... I seem to remember that n0ano said he might not be here | 14:01 |
| bauzas | did n0ano said he wasn't there ? | 14:02 |
| _gryf | hi | 14:02 |
| bauzas | heh | 14:02 |
| * cdent looks bauzas | 14:02 | |
| bauzas | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 22 14:02:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bauzas. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:02 |
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| bauzas | #chair edleafe | 14:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: bauzas edleafe | 14:02 |
| bauzas | nah | 14:02 |
| bauzas | #chair cdent | 14:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: bauzas cdent edleafe | 14:02 |
| bauzas | because he named me | 14:02 |
| cdent | heh | 14:02 |
| edleafe | chairs al around! | 14:02 |
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| edleafe | all | 14:03 |
| bauzas | supp' ? | 14:03 |
| edleafe | is there an agenda prepared? | 14:03 |
| bauzas | heh, guessing n0ano's one | 14:03 |
| bauzas | bugs, features and open | 14:03 |
| bauzas | so | 14:03 |
| bauzas | #topic bugs (because we don't like'em) | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (because we don't like'em) (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:03 | |
| bauzas | so? | 14:03 |
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| bauzas | anything to notice ? | 14:04 |
| edleafe | none that I recall | 14:04 |
| bauzas | AFAIK, there was some initiative from n0ano to figure some Intel/RAX folks to help us | 14:04 |
| bauzas | but I haven't heard more than that | 14:04 |
| * bauzas is checking the bug list | 14:04 | |
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| bauzas | #info https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=scheduler | 14:05 |
| Yingxin | I'll try to fix 1523450, 1523459, 1523506, 1515870(1517770) | 14:05 |
| bauzas | ok, the last triaged bug is 16 years old | 14:05 |
| bauzas | oops | 14:06 |
| bauzas | s/years/days :D | 14:06 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: cool, ping us anytime if you need further help or guidance | 14:06 |
| Yingxin | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1523506 I don't know whether it is actually a bug to fix. | 14:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1523506 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "hosts within two availability zones" [Undecided,Incomplete] - Assigned to Yingxin (cyx1231st) | 14:06 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: okay, I'll look into that one | 14:07 |
| edleafe | DO we have more detail on what is needed for https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1431291 ? | 14:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1431291 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Scheduler Failures are no longer logged with enough detail for a site admin to do problem determination" [High,Incomplete] - Assigned to Pranav Salunke (dguitarbite) | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | Yingxin: good evening! | 14:07 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: but I fixed most of the races like 1.5yrs ago | 14:07 |
| Yingxin | jaypipes: good evening~ | 14:07 |
| Yingxin | bauzas: I think I've found another one :P | 14:07 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: ping me tomorrow morning EU if you wish and I'll triage https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1523506 | 14:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1523506 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "hosts within two availability zones" [Undecided,Incomplete] - Assigned to Yingxin (cyx1231st) | 14:07 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: interesting, but I doubt :p | 14:08 |
| Yingxin | bauzas: ok | 14:08 |
| bauzas | edleafe: well, that one is Incomplete, so... :D | 14:08 |
| _gryf | i've been working on that one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1442024 didn't able to reproduce it, scenario and all steps i've performed are as a comment. no one is complained so far | 14:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1442024 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "AvailabilityZoneFilter does not filter when doing live migration" [Medium,Invalid] - Assigned to Roman Dobosz (roman-dobosz) | 14:09 |
| bauzas | edleafe: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1431291/comments/22 | 14:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1431291 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Scheduler Failures are no longer logged with enough detail for a site admin to do problem determination" [High,Incomplete] - Assigned to Pranav Salunke (dguitarbite) | 14:09 |
| edleafe | bauzas: exactly. What would it take to give ops a good enough understanding? | 14:09 |
| bauzas | edleafe: my point is that we need actionable items and that bug reports doesn't | 14:09 |
| edleafe | We enhanced the logging - what else are they asking for? | 14:09 |
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| bauzas | so, it's incomplete | 14:09 |
| bauzas | yeah, we can leave that one rest in peace IMHO | 14:10 |
| bauzas | it's an invalid, you don't need to care about it | 14:10 |
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| edleafe | But it was a High, too | 14:10 |
| bauzas | and ? :) | 14:10 |
| bauzas | anywaty | 14:10 |
| bauzas | _gryf: cool, thanks for helpiugn | 14:11 |
| bauzas | moving on ? | 14:11 |
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| bauzas | I'll ask for AZERTY | 14:11 |
| bauzas | anyway | 14:11 |
| bauzas | #topic features and blueprints (because we like'em) | 14:12 |
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| bauzas | so big thread here | 14:12 |
| bauzas | who shoots first? | 14:12 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: i can provide a quick update on resource-providers progress. | 14:13 |
| bauzas | \o/ | 14:13 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: shoot | 14:13 |
| bauzas | btw. lemme put your ML report here | 14:13 |
| bauzas | #info http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086371.html | 14:14 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: you got the mic | 14:14 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I pushed up a new revision of the generic-resource-pools blueprint that changes the expected schema slightly (removes the resource_pools table and adds a couple fields to the resource_providers table). | 14:14 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: yeah saw that one, it's in my pipe | 14:14 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: It also had changes to remove the external_id field and forces the use of --aggregate-uuid option in nova resource-pool-create | 14:15 |
| bauzas | cdent: I guess you're modifying your series to match with that ? | 14:15 |
| cdent | bauzas: yes | 14:15 |
| jaypipes | this was based on discussions with superdan, alaski and cdent on Friday | 14:15 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I saw, I began to mark some notes but not uploaded yet | 14:15 |
| cdent | first patch is up (to adjust the models) | 14:15 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: actually, lemme see if my notes are for the current PS or not | 14:15 |
| bauzas | oh, I uploaded them | 14:16 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253187/11/specs/mitaka/approved/generic-resource-pools.rst | 14:16 |
| bauzas | oops | 14:16 |
| bauzas | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253187/11/specs/mitaka/approved/generic-resource-pools.rst | 14:16 |
| jaypipes | dstepanenko continues his work on the pci-generate-stats blueprint. reviews welcome on that: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/pci-stats-generate,n,z | 14:16 |
| _gryf | is the bp about resource pools (and implementation) at risk due to feature freeze? | 14:16 |
| jaypipes | _gryf: no. I believe we will be able to complete that one. | 14:17 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I had some concerns about the increase of complexity that BP was having | 14:17 |
| jaypipes | _gryf: the compute-node-inventory one is slightly at risk but we're trying our best to get most of that pushed. | 14:17 |
| bauzas | it introduces a REST API | 14:17 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: it acutally has *less* complexity than befroe. | 14:17 |
| bauzas | which I agree | 14:18 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: yes. | 14:18 |
| _gryf | jaypipes, ok, cool. if you require any help on that, just ping me on irc. | 14:18 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: so for example, I was pointing out https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253187/11/specs/mitaka/approved/generic-resource-pools.rst@245 | 14:18 |
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| bauzas | (just discovered that we can tag a specific line in a review, woot) | 14:19 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: tbc, while I'm a big fan of your series, I just feel those need to be very described about what are the impact for the existing | 14:20 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: so, your comment there... we *already* pull all aggregate information in the call to select_destinations(). | 14:20 |
| bauzas | indeed, but then we filter out | 14:20 |
| bauzas | which is per-host | 14:20 |
| jaypipes | I don't understand your point. | 14:21 |
| bauzas | so, I need to make sure that what you want to modify is the only dummy ComputeNode.get_all() call | 14:21 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: I'm not prescribing anything there other than a long-term use case to be satisfied that isn't at all what the scheduler currently supports. | 14:21 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: sorry if I'm unclear or misunderstood something, I just want to understand what will change and what will stay :) | 14:23 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: and I'd like to get some of these blueprints approved this cycle... I am struggling to add the level of detail you are asking for in all 6 of the blueprints in this series. | 14:24 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: there comes a point when we need to be able to amend a blueprint after agreeing on the direction. | 14:25 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: that's a good point | 14:25 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: agreed | 14:25 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: and I understand your concern around making any changes that require a refactoring of the filter shceduler. | 14:26 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: again, I'm liking your direction, I'm just somehow struggling with operators impact - but we can figure that out later | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | we always need to think about the aim of the process, if there are details that are best delayed till you see the code, then thats fine | 14:27 |
| bauzas | and cdent's patch series are worth reviewing them to see the impacts | 14:28 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: you are describing concerns about something that is marked as a future use-case that isn't currently supported by Nova. so the impact to operators is non-existent. | 14:28 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: agreed | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | so there are some upgrade worries around not sorting out the future use case, but at some point we need to just make some forward progress, and fix things as we go | 14:29 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: okay, it seems we can discuss that offline and see how we can match | 14:29 |
| jaypipes | so I'd like to address the comments from cdent and bauzas in the next revision and get that pushed ASAP (as in less than an hour). And at that point I'd like an up/down vote on it, if we could manage that. | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: sounds like a good plan | 14:30 |
| cdent | ++ | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | not to derail things, do we want to delay the scheduler API to newton at this point? | 14:30 |
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| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: no. | 14:31 |
| cdent | I think dansmith has some opinions on that johnthetubaguy | 14:31 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: so creating a new endpoint by end of M-3 ? | 14:31 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: or at least if "scheduler API" means "support for the resource-pools stuff" | 14:31 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: yes | 14:31 |
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| bauzas | well | 14:32 |
| bauzas | okay, it seems that we have a plan, moving on then ? | 14:33 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: so, given that FF is in 2 weeks, it means that I need somehow to find more review time than the expected one for the next 2 weeks :) | 14:34 |
| bauzas | but if you feel that's doable, then okay | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | so its normally at this point I -2 all blueprints that don't currently have all their code up for review, for context | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | but I want us to make progress here, and we should keep trying for that | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | so lets see what we can do | 14:35 |
| bauzas | ++ | 14:36 |
| edleafe | I have cycles available to help out, too | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | the only reason I bring up the API, is I think we could get that first bit done | 14:36 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: ++ | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | but adding the API seems like a mountain too far at this point | 14:36 |
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| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: I guess I disagree. | 14:37 |
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| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: plus, there's zero benefit to this work if there's no REST API that things can use to create shared pools of resources. | 14:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the benifit is we can add the rest API on top without having to implement the underneath bits | 14:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | honestly, I do wonder about a nova-manage hack to let folks test out the new thing, while we agree a REST API | 14:38 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: the rest api bit is really only required for the things we said are newton anyway right? | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think the shared storage stuff, kinda needs it, unless you slurp into the DB via a back door | 14:39 |
| jaypipes | right. | 14:39 |
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| jaypipes | you need some way of adding those records. | 14:40 |
| dansmith | right, but in mitaka, our only providers are internal -- compute nodes | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | but I would rather have the back door via nova-manage than a quickly written API, and marking those calls as experimental, will be remove, etc, etc | 14:40 |
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| jaypipes | if that's what you want, that's fine. | 14:40 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: I don't even think we need that | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | so lets step back, if we get only internal providers sorted for mitaka, we have made a massive step forward, compared to what it looked like two months ago | 14:41 |
| jaypipes | I'm just a little weary from the analysis paralysis that's happened so far. | 14:41 |
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| bauzas | folks, that's very important conversation, and I feel we need to make an agreement, but could we move that offline ? | 14:43 |
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| bauzas | we're 15 mins away from the end of that meeting | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | so this is release critical right, how do we keep moving forward on this work | 14:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cdent: do we have any blockers to get compute's using the resource provider concept in mitaka, at this point? | 14:44 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: just the actual work and review.. thing major in the way, IMHO | 14:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | if we drop the API, could we get in the supporting infrastructure for pools, even if its not useable? | 14:44 |
| bauzas | I can see some in-flights patches | 14:45 |
| bauzas | sec, pointing out the series | 14:45 |
| cdent | johnthetubaguy: I've been targeting resource-pools as my goal, not entirely certain on the status of compute providers without doing some digging | 14:45 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: the generic pool stuff we want for mitaka is nearly merged, and the rest is out for newton, AFAIK | 14:45 |
| bauzas | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/generic-resource-pools | 14:45 |
| bauzas | ^ that is the generic-rp implementation patches | 14:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so if we cut off the API bits off the top, where are we? | 14:46 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: that's only a small part. | 14:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | mostly agreed? | 14:46 |
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| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/resource-providers seems Implemented to me | 14:47 |
| bauzas | cdent: jaypipes: right? | 14:47 |
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| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: we still need the resource-tracker pieces, a nova-manage tool to add a resource pool, the work to change the scheduler to look at the resource pool inventory instead of the compute node's out-of-whack view of the shared resources. | 14:47 |
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| dansmith | jaypipes: that's all stuff for newton, yes? | 14:48 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: I was really hoping to have it in mitaka :( | 14:48 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: last week on the hangout we said that was newton stuff... I'm confused | 14:48 |
| dansmith | I feel like there's no _way_ that is all happening in mitaka | 14:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | so that was our main disagreement post midcycle, I guess, I thought we agreed a different set of things, seems maybe not | 14:49 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: I don't remember that decision. I was referring to resource-providers-allocations and resource-providers-scheduler blueprints being in Newton. | 14:49 |
| dansmith | well, I have a hard time using those specs as terms in a discussion.. so many specs makes it confusing.. so I've been talking in terms of actual work items, so maybe that's the problem | 14:50 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: if the three steps above are not done in Mitaka, there's no value at all to any of the patches, since nothing will be fixed w.r.t. how shared resources are tracked. | 14:50 |
| dansmith | that's not true | 14:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we just agreed we should make progress where we can | 14:50 |
| dansmith | like I said before, the value is getting the online migrations of compute uuids, compute inventory records created, etc | 14:50 |
| dansmith | so that in newton when we go to actually use them, | 14:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | even if thats not end user visible | 14:50 |
| dansmith | mitaka computes are already doing that and we don't need a dependency | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: ah, right, the migrations, that is very visible | 14:51 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, having the migrations completed, will make a big difference in terms of complexity | 14:51 |
| dansmith | right, that is what I've been shooting hard for | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | like it maybe half the complexity | 14:51 |
| jaypipes | but shared resources will still be totally broken in mitaka. ok... | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: does this make sense form where you stand? | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | getting those migrations in place, that is | 14:52 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: right, I don't think we're going to make any actual resource tracking improvement in mitaka.. there's just no time | 14:52 |
| dansmith | but if we don | 14:52 |
| dansmith | don't do this bit in mitaka, | 14:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | we have like one week left of a working gate, at this point | 14:52 |
| cdent | johnthetubaguy: so, I was hoping to get a bit further, but I agree that getting migrations and models in place before the end of the cycle is the critical part | 14:52 |
| bauzas | +1 for iterating fast on the compute stuff so we could avoid online migrations | 14:52 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: but you *do* think we should get the compute-node-inventory blueprint cmpleted in mitaka? | 14:52 |
| dansmith | we won't be able to reasonably make the improvement in newton either, I expect | 14:52 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: again, I can't keep track of the blueprints :) .. I think we need compute nodes recording their inventories in the new place in mitaka, yes, but it won't be read by anything (right?) until newton | 14:53 |
| jaypipes | fuck I hate 6 month releases :( | 14:53 |
| bauzas | dansmith: ++ | 14:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: if it helps the operators at the meet up hate them just as much, but the other way around | 14:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | we do release every commit though, but lets not go into that hole | 14:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | so for mitaka... | 14:54 |
| jaypipes | operators will always ask for stability and features at the same time, though. | 14:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | get the DB in the right shape to accept the data we want to put in there for newton? | 14:55 |
| jaypipes | sure | 14:55 |
| bauzas | ++ | 14:55 |
| bauzas | because we're 5 mins away, I'll take my chair cap and cut | 14:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think the wibble there is do we add the resource pools bits as well, and since they don't need migrations (?) its not really an issue? | 14:56 |
| jaypipes | can we at least merge the generic-resource-pools blueprint though? that adds some necessary fields to the resource_providers table that will be needed. | 14:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: I think it would be easier to merge if the API stuff were separate | 14:56 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: sure, just put a new rev and I'll vote on it | 14:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | I basically agree with the rest of that, at least | 14:57 |
| bauzas | +1 | 14:57 |
| bauzas | #topic open questions | 14:57 |
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| bauzas | 3 mins left | 14:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | the API I just feel like I haven't fully understood it yet | 14:57 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: sigh, ok, yet another blueprint... let me separate the two resource_providers columns into yet another blueprint and then separate out the API bits into yet abnother blueprint. | 14:57 |
| bauzas | anyone for anything ? | 14:57 |
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| jaypipes | and I still need to split resource-provdiers-scheduler blueprint into two so that bauzas and I can argue about whether the copmpute node owns its inventory of resources on a separate blueprint. | 14:58 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: I appreciate that :-) | 14:58 |
| jaypipes | so that will make 9 separate blueprints for this. awesome. | 14:58 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so half of those could be combined, but they are separate now, but lets take that offline | 14:58 |
| bauzas | ++ | 14:58 |
| * jaypipes goes to get food before he gets more grumpy. | 14:58 | |
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| bauzas | okay, nothing raised, bye folks, we can continue the convo in -nova | 15:00 |
| bauzas | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 22 15:00:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-02-22-14.02.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-02-22-14.02.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-02-22-14.02.log.html | 15:00 |
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| ihrachys | ok, let's get neutron upgrades rolling :) | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 22 15:01:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:01 |
| jschwarz | \o/ | 15:01 |
| korzen | hello | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | hi neutrinos :) | 15:01 |
| sayalilunkad | hi | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's roll | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
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| ihrachys | not much on this side of things | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | first, note we are approaching Mitaka-3 | 15:02 |
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| ihrachys | meaning, we can't push patches that can break anything, and are not scheduled for Mitaka-3 | 15:02 |
| electrocucaracha | Hi | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | so that may postpone some merges for our team. | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | we'll discuss the details of that later though | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | another thing is, (I can't repeat more) there is code sprint for objectification in Brno | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/code-sprint-neutron-objects-brno | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | I suggest you work on bookings and write your nickname under the link | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | note that I talked to a preferred hotel locally and got some better price | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | details in the etherpad | 15:04 |
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| ski1 | hey! | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | so you may want to book using the trick described there | 15:04 |
| sc68cal | o/ | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | and those who already booked that hotel, can still rebook it | 15:04 |
| * njohnston wishes he could make it. | 15:04 | |
| * sc68cal will not be able to go - travel request was denied ;_; | 15:04 | |
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| ihrachys | for now, I guess it's rossella_s and korzen confirmed, and mhickey tentatitve, and aslo some local folks | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | sc68cal: that's sad | 15:05 |
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| sayalilunkad | I will probably join as well, will update the etherpad today | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | sayalilunkad: cool, please do | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | ok, now to specific topics | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial upgrade | 15:05 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, did you check regarding the hotel rate? | 15:05 |
| jschwarz | ihrachys, any further details on remote options? | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: yes, all in the etherpad | 15:06 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, thanks | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: we'll get some bluejeans session running I guess | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | ok, so partial upgrades | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | sc68cal: wanna update? | 15:06 |
| sc68cal | sure. | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | I know there is a major progress lately | 15:06 |
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| sc68cal | So - thanks to armax we were able to trace the failure back to a significant change to Nova | 15:06 |
| sc68cal | they are trying to deprecate the ec2 api and did it a bit too well, the metadata service broke | 15:07 |
| sc68cal | so our job uncovered a serious regression, that thankfully we caught early before Mitaka was released | 15:07 |
| sc68cal | sdague was very happy | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | yay | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086914.html more details | 15:07 |
| sc68cal | So we are now passing, and it is a non-voting job that is run on every changeset now | 15:08 |
| korzen | CI rulezz | 15:08 |
| sc68cal | I think the next step is to revive korzen 's project-config patch to make a DVR job | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | right. there is an email in the thread about next steps | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/087136.html | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | korzen: would you mind reviving the patch for dvr job? | 15:08 |
| korzen | ihrachys, yes, I will take a look | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | ok cool. so my understanding is that we are on good track to get Mitaka fully supported for rolling upgrade server vs. agent | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | thanks all involved! | 15:09 |
| korzen | good job! | 15:10 |
| sc68cal | ++ | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | ok, now to the next topic | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | I was mostly off or sick previous week so could not make significant review effort on that one. But I believe rossella_s is on top of it. dare to update rossella_s ? | 15:11 |
| rossella_s | I finally started working on the synthetic fields patch...I should push it today | 15:11 |
| korzen | rossella_s, good news :) | 15:11 |
| rossella_s | sayalilunkad, is on top of the sec group extension, it's getting into shape | 15:12 |
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| rossella_s | korzen is taking care of the subnet ovo and of the composite key...but I guess we are a bit blocked since we can't merge stuff into master so easily | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | yeah, let's discuss the merging strategy later in a separate section. | 15:13 |
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| ihrachys | I want to notify folks that if you want your patches to get more attention from the team, please use 'ovo' as a topic for the patches | 15:13 |
| korzen | I have rebased the subnet OVO on top of composite keys patch and a hook in base object to modify the fields before DB operations | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | current queue is | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:ovo | 15:13 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: so I guess it's currently business as usual? people spin on patches, provide reviews etc.? | 15:14 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, yes | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | nothing that would block us except the release approaching | 15:14 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, you want to update maybe regarding the sqlalchemy type? | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | ok cool. | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | oh ok. right, on the sqlalchemy types | 15:15 |
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| ihrachys | I briefly looked at that one the prev week since it's a blocker for some objects like address pairs | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/277558 | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | and proposed a version that would not mess with existing db models field types | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | neither it requires any alembic conversions | 15:16 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, ++ | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | the patch is as simple as to allow to use OVO IPAddressField | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | another similar patch should be proposed for CIDR | 15:16 |
| rossella_s | and MAC address | 15:16 |
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| electrocucaracha | I'll need CIDR for Subnetpoolprefix | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | oh right. yeah. so basically there should be a patch per unsupported OVO field. | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | I suggest folks to start with those bits before getting more involved into actual objects | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | first, you won't land the latter without the former | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | second, those custom types are isolated from the existing neutron-server code and hence can be safely merged right now | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | which would be a good usage of the time this point in the cycle | 15:18 |
| korzen | I can take the CIDR type | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | korzen: cool, please do | 15:18 |
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| ihrachys | mac address anyone? | 15:19 |
| electrocucaracha | I can do my best | 15:19 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: ok let's assume it's on you and sync later this week | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: what's the current status for sphinx integration for db models? | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274874/ | 15:20 |
| electrocucaracha | I've submitted the requirement to global-requirements | 15:20 |
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| ihrachys | right, that will be | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281880/ | 15:21 |
| electrocucaracha | yes, I was looking the link | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | that one also fails in gate | 15:21 |
| electrocucaracha | the last change passed all the tests | 15:21 |
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| ihrachys | oh not really, it's fine | 15:21 |
| electrocucaracha | so, now I'm waiting for voting | 15:21 |
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| ihrachys | ok cool. let's wait for infra folks to chime in. | 15:22 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: you can make the neutron patch to Depends-On on the requirements patch | 15:22 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: then you'll get the +1 CI vote for neutron patch without waiting for requirements bit to merge | 15:22 |
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| electrocucaracha | ihrachys, got it | 15:23 |
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| ihrachys | ok, let's move on to non-object stuff | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | #link Other patches on review | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | I'd just note that there is a second piece for automatic RPC version pinning from ajo up for review | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/268040 | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | currently used for QoS only, but may be interesting to track in scope of the team | 15:24 |
| rossella_s | indeed | 15:24 |
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| ihrachys | ok, let's take some time to discuss merging strategy for objects | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | #topic Merging strategy for objects | 15:25 |
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| ihrachys | so as I said before, there is concern around how we move forward in sight of release | 15:25 |
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| ihrachys | we are asked to be cautious landing patches that are not targeted for Mitaka-3 and are not release critical | 15:26 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, did you talk to armax? | 15:26 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: not yet, I will do after we discuss the approach now | 15:26 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, ok thanks | 15:26 |
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| ihrachys | first, the first easiest thing to do is, as I said, try to land patches that are not touching production code right now | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | like those custom types | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | or testing coverage features | 15:27 |
| korzen | I guess we can wait for opening master for Newton | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | or land objects that are not yet used in db code | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | korzen: may take some significant time though | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | I appreciate there are patches in review that are more invasive though | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | and we may want to move with them. | 15:28 |
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| ihrachys | and stacking multiple patches in gerrit is not fun | 15:28 |
| korzen | ok, so the good idea would to be merge only the API | 15:28 |
| korzen | OVO classes without using them | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | that said, if we land some fundamental bits like custom types or base db classes pieces, will it be too much stacking? | 15:28 |
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| ihrachys | an alternative that was noted before in irc is that we could have a short-standing feature branch for just that work | 15:29 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, I think there will be some stacking, for example for extensions | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | there are some complications with feature branches. like CI is frequently broken and requires to be babysitted | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: stacking or depends-On kind of things? | 15:30 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, I am thinking about korzen's proposal...we could merge the ovo classes + test without using them in the code base | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | because the depends-on is more light weight | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: right, that could be a solution for now, and I think that it may even keep us busy until Newton is open | 15:30 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, stacking really...because extensions are fields inside the port object for example | 15:30 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, I think so too | 15:30 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, it could work...it would be also easy to test in the code base, just sending a WIP patch were the object is introduced in the code base | 15:31 |
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| ihrachys | and if we are so effective that we handle all non-invasive bits before master is open, we can reconsider | 15:31 |
| korzen | The only question is would changes in NeutronDbObject not break the QoS feature? | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: right, we could just mark those WIP pieces with -2 and be safe it won't land | 15:31 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: I am happy to brag we have reasonable testing coverage for QoS, so we could be more or less safe there. | 15:32 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: and also it's still quite an isolated feature | 15:32 |
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| ihrachys | breaking qos is not like breaking ports :) | 15:33 |
| rossella_s | I guess we have a plan to move forward then _) | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | obviously, we don't want any | 15:33 |
| korzen | ihrachys I hope so, I rely on the CI testing on QoS since I'm not trying to test the OVO changes each time with QoS :) | 15:33 |
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| ihrachys | ok, another thing that I want to suggest to people with +2 hammer is that we are mindful about git conflicts that our pieces can introduce for other release critical patches. Gerrit UI shows the conflicting patches (upper right corner), so please check the list before pressing +W. | 15:34 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, good point | 15:34 |
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| ihrachys | cool. I hope everyone understands that while objects are important, release is more important. | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | I guess we have a plan on moving forward with objects, I will update armax on that so that we are on the same page. | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:35 |
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| ihrachys | anything to raise/discuss? | 15:35 |
| saisriki | hi, I would like to help with something | 15:36 |
| saisriki | I was working on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277558 earlier | 15:38 |
| rossella_s | saisriki, maybe you can coordinate with electrocucaracha regarding the MAC field | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | saisriki: right. thanks for that, it was a good base. | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | another idea is checking what's in: | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam#Backlog | 15:38 |
| electrocucaracha | +1 | 15:38 |
| saisriki | ok | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | another piece that asks for more reviews (not exactly coding) is: | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124946/ | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | that's framework for tests for alembic scripts | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | if you feel like getting some expertise with this piece, it would be cool to review | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | or play locally | 15:39 |
| rossella_s | and the port security extension needs some love, I didn't get any feedback from dguitarbite | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: link? | 15:40 |
| saisriki | ihrachys: ok | 15:40 |
| dguitarbite | Hello | 15:40 |
| dguitarbite | Im here | 15:40 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, no link, there's no patch upstream AFAIK | 15:40 |
| dguitarbite | rossella_s: How shall I proceed. I predict atleast one more week before I can resume working on it | 15:40 |
| rossella_s | dguitarbite, do you have something that you can upload? | 15:40 |
| dguitarbite | I have stubs ... boilerplate code ready ... not sure if it helps uploading it. But I will if you think its better. | 15:41 |
| rossella_s | dguitarbite, then probably saisriki can help you | 15:41 |
| dguitarbite | rossella_s: I am in for collaboration. | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | dguitarbite: I think it's good to upload what you have and just mark as WIP | 15:41 |
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| ihrachys | dguitarbite: and then others may chime in and update it | 15:41 |
| dguitarbite | ihrachys: Ok, Ill upload the patch, | 15:41 |
| rossella_s | dguitarbite, thanks | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | ok I guess we gave plenty of options to try to saisriki :) hopefully saisriki's head is not blowing :) | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | anything else to discuss? | 15:42 |
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| saisriki | ihrachys: thanks | 15:42 |
| korzen | we should reach to other neturon folks that upgrade are important | 15:42 |
| korzen | and try to make you way to Newton as priority | 15:43 |
| korzen | s/you/our | 15:43 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: any specific ideas how to achieve that? | 15:43 |
| korzen | ML | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | korzen: I guess we made some progress in Mitaka in keeping the community informed about this part of the process (we updated devref, we blocked some patches that could break the rolling scenario etc.) | 15:44 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: ok, what would be the contents of the discussion apart from the general call to be more cautious about upgrades? | 15:45 |
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| korzen | I guess that Neutron is behind the Nova and Cinder and without the Neutron online upgrade the whole Openstack Upgrade story is not complete | 15:46 |
| korzen | there are pleanty of topics not yet covered | 15:46 |
| korzen | for example the online schema migration working for different neutron server working in the same time | 15:47 |
| korzen | online data migration | 15:47 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: agreed on the general stanza, and the fact that we are behind. that said, isn't it a proper reflection of resources we have for the topic? | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | I am all for getting more people on board with patches that will get us quicker into online data migration world. | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | I wonder how to achieve that | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | it's either talking to them and hoping for the best | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | or putting some strict rules that would force them to take care of missing framework pieces | 15:49 |
| rossella_s | I guess during the summit we can raise these points and probably get more people interested | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | and I am really not sure we reached the point where we could ask folks to fill in missing gaps e.g. for online data migration, because that would basically mean asking them to land all objects | 15:50 |
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| ihrachys | and the fact that we don't have the process followed and documented for any single resource (yet) makes it hard to sell | 15:51 |
| korzen | the online data migration may be dependent on OVO implementation but the finishing the schema migration | 15:51 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: can you reword the last one? I am not sure I follow. | 15:51 |
| korzen | current implementation of online schema migration does not support scenario when multiple Neutron servers are running in the same time in different versions | 15:52 |
| korzen | you have to put down all the servers | 15:52 |
| korzen | and then upgrade them | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | korzen: right, but that's because we allow to land contraction migrations | 15:53 |
| ihrachys | and the latter is because we have no other sane way to isolate data migration in runtime (read: no objects) | 15:53 |
| ihrachys | so the proper order would be: get objects in, then forbid contractions | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | does it make sense, or I miss something? | 15:54 |
| korzen | I'm not expert in OVO to make sure that OVO will do the job right | 15:55 |
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| korzen | but I can image that you are right ihrachys ;) | 15:55 |
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| ihrachys | well, that's how nova achieves no downtime server upgrade - by isolating data migration behind object facades | 15:56 |
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| ihrachys | then you have some dirty code in the object, but not spilled thru the code base | 15:56 |
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| korzen | yeap, that make sense | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | korzen: don't get me wrong: even making people more aware about the next steps can be a worthy thing to do. I suspect some people lack the whole picture on why we even want the objects. so ML posts can serve the need somewhat. and discussions on the summit too. | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | anything that get people on board is the step to take | 15:58 |
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| ihrachys | and I guess I may want to get back to devref and update it with more details on the intended path to no downtime | 15:58 |
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| ihrachys | unless someone does it before I reach there | 15:58 |
| ihrachys | I think that no downtime bit is not documented there just yet. | 15:59 |
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| rossella_s | please do ihrachys ! | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | ok I guess we should wrap up, it's time to give space for the next meetings :) | 15:59 |
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| ihrachys | thanks everyone | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | and keep up the good work | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| korzen | thanks | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 22 15:59:34 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-02-22-15.01.html | 15:59 |
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| rossella_s | thanks! | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-02-22-15.01.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-02-22-15.01.log.html | 15:59 |
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| sayalilunkad | BYE! | 15:59 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 22 16:00:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| ihrachys | o/ | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | howday folks | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| jimbobhickville | ahoy | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | \o | 16:00 |
| bknudson_ | hi | 16:00 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:00 |
| jecarey_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims i think out (on a plane?) so i'm taking the battleship over for now, lol | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | *and no sinking my battleship* lol | 16:00 |
| amrith | aye aye captain | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for GheRivero, amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims, dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, haypo, | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, spamaps | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for sergmelikyan, sreshetnyak, sileht, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek, gcb, Nakato | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ok, let's see who else shows up :-P | 16:01 |
| rbradfor | o/ | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | \o | 16:02 |
| dukhlov_ | o/ | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | o/ | 16:02 |
| amrith | ./ | 16:02 |
| rbradfor | \o o/ | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | \0/ | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:02 |
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| amrith | Oh, there are two Ron's? | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:02 |
| amrith | the man and the legend ;) | 16:02 |
| johnsom | We are seeing an exception in cliff 1.16.0+ in python-neutronclient | 16:02 |
| johnsom | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-cliff/+bug/1547707 | 16:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1547707 in cliff "cliff 1.16-17.0 breaks neutron lbaas-loadbalancer-list when no load balancers are present" [Undecided,New] | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | uh ohes | 16:03 |
| bknudson_ | no so-called "red flags" for keystone that I know of | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | harlowja_at_home: Nothing from Cinder. I need to try to finish pulling out the incubator code. | 16:03 |
| amrith | no red flags from Trove at this time. | 16:03 |
| johnsom | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-cliff/+bug/1547707 | 16:03 |
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| johnsom | Should have done link... | 16:03 |
| johnsom | That is all I have | 16:03 |
| amrith | just a question about this oslo.log writeable logger change that is percolating its way through the system. Is that required for Mitaka | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | anyone looking into the cliff stuff? | 16:03 |
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| ihrachys | I think neutron is good, nothing to raise that I am aware of | 16:04 |
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| harlowja_at_home | amrith, hmmmm, i'll have to followup with dims on that one, i don't think its required | 16:04 |
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| amrith | thanks, I'll look for your response on #openstack-oslo | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, as for your's i'll poke dims on that one to, unsure who the current cliff person is (i think dhellmann might know) | 16:06 |
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| johnsom | Ok, thanks | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool, seems like a not-so-hard-bug-to-address | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | *with extra dashes, ha | 16:06 |
| johnsom | Yeah, we just started getting reports from users | 16:07 |
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| harlowja_at_home | kk | 16:07 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Releases for Mitaka | 16:08 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so let's see if dims put up a release for the week review | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | yup, seems so, ha | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282730/ | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282730/ | 16:08 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so that looks like a subset, if anyone wants to add more please either comment on the review or file a separate one | 16:08 |
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| harlowja_at_home | (or if u object to those being released please comment on the review to) | 16:09 |
| bknudson_ | this is supposedly the last week for oslo lib releases for M | 16:09 |
| * rbradfor so that's how releasenotes are seen in releases (oslo.log.yaml) | 16:09 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | bknudson_, good to know, so if u want a release in M, get it added :-P | 16:09 |
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| harlowja_at_home | bogdando, yt | 16:11 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Ongoing-specs | 16:12 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo-specs,n,z | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | so the only one, if people are interested (me and jd__ i think are, ha) is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256342/ | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | tldr; about having workers, some kind of work/job queue in tooz that taskflow, mistral (others?) can share | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | jimbobhickville ^ | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | u might also be interested | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | but maybe can find bogdando (i think that name is bogdan dobrelya from the review) for a chat next week | 16:14 |
| jimbobhickville | looking... | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | rakhmerov, yt | 16:14 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anyways, seeing as nobody is around for that one to talk about it let's skip that (maybe another time) | 16:15 |
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| harlowja_at_home | there's a few other specs that would be good to have looked at (if people get time) | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | but probably to late for mitaka for accomplishing them | 16:16 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Stuck reviews | 16:17 |
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| harlowja_at_home | soooo anyone have any reviews that i can help prioritize or get eyes on | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | i know jimbobhickville and me want some taskflow ones :-P | 16:17 |
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| jimbobhickville | yeah, pretty big backlog there | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | but besides those (which i can post a bunch on if people want) anyone have any others? | 16:18 |
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| dukhlov_ | If neutron guys are here I would ask to take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276842/ | 16:18 |
| dukhlov_ | it is not oslo review but related to it | 16:19 |
| rbradfor | lxsli has a olso.log review that I'm sure we should get into M, but it's got a cross dependency on oslo.config (in current release) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254821/ | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link bit.ly/1oDpFQ5 | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | ^ review dashboard | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, k, 254821 looks like its getting worked on, guess we will see how that goes (especially if this week is the last oslo-release-in-M) | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | dukhlov_, have u poked some of the neutron folks for that one? | 16:21 |
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| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, agreed, it looks tough as it requires a release and its the last one | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | (unsure when that neutron weekly meeting is) | 16:21 |
| dukhlov_ | harlowja_at_home: just added a lot as reviewers, haven't poke in chat | 16:22 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281790/ is also pending a +2 and is holding up two other approved changes. also lxsli work for adding release notes to oslo.config (not critical I would assume) | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | dukhlov_, or an email to the ML with [neutron] might help also | 16:22 |
| dukhlov_ | harlowja_at_home: ok, will try, thank you | 16:22 |
| ihrachys | dukhlov_: it's in my review queue, sorry for not getting to it prev week, I was sick | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, cool i'll get that one looked over, seems like a releasenotes stuffs | 16:23 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i gotta learn more about reno | 16:23 |
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| dukhlov_ | ihrachys: ah, np. get better | 16:23 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, thanks. I'm learning about reno myself, had it successfully added to oslo.log last week. | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, does it just make a prettier http://docs-draft.openstack.org/90/281790/3/check/gate-oslo.config-docs/1dcabc1//doc/build/html/history.html ? | 16:24 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, you can see it add a highlight to release yaml (which I didn't know) nice to help https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282730/2/deliverables/mitaka/oslo.log.yaml | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | or maybe that docs in that review is differnt | 16:25 |
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| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, that does not seem to include release notes. | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | wonder how those 2 get inter-connected | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | since that's like i guess the old-style release notes | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | (which most oslo projects have) | 16:25 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, see http://docs-draft.openstack.org/85/263785/7/gate/gate-oslo.log-releasenotes/f5724bb//releasenotes/build/html/ | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, cool | 16:26 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so i guess some work is for folks to remove the current release notes that show up in docs, with a link to that one ? | 16:26 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, I assume as part of releases (dhellmann would confirm) they move unreleased.rst to mitaka.rst | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | for example the oslo.log one still has http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.log/history.html | 16:27 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, that's a good point, I'm not sure how you see it in developer docs. | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | which maybe should just point to the other one now ? | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | (pretty sure most oslo libraries have that same history.html file) | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, yt | 16:28 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, it's a different directory structure and tox directive, so not sure how it would get to docs.o.o | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | kk | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | maybe dhellmann , reno expert , can explain | 16:28 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, dhellmann is out most of today to my knowledge | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | oh | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | well guess he won't explain then | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:28 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, not here, we need to stumble across the reno uses and benefits! | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | #action harlowja_at_home find dhellmann and see what to do about the history.rst file now that reno exists | 16:29 |
| bknudson_ | release notes aren't developer docs | 16:29 |
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| harlowja_at_home | bknudson_, k, so i guess both will still exist? | 16:29 |
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| harlowja_at_home | if so, seems like the developer doc history should at least point to the release notes? | 16:30 |
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| harlowja_at_home | (where release notes from reno would have notes/more details about each review) | 16:30 |
| bknudson_ | If a developer wants to see the history they can git log | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | *about each release | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | bknudson_, right, that's basically what the history.rst is, lol | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | *with a little more prettiness added | 16:30 |
| rbradfor | history seems to be git commit messages, while reno is human generated. I suspect it's more for operators, highlighting changes, new features etc in releases. | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, agreed, seems like that | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'll figure out my own confusion around it :) | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | once i find dhellmann ha | 16:32 |
| rbradfor | for those interested, here is the etherpad of notes for reno rollout https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/reno-rollout | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/reno-rollout | 16:32 |
| * dhellmann arrives late | 16:32 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, well well, ha | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | u have been assigned all the work, ha | 16:32 |
| rbradfor | dhellmann, we just blamed you for something, but alas you called our bluff | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home : cliff is managed by the sdk team now. the fix for the bug has landed, it just needs to be released. | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, ^ | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx dhellmann | 16:33 |
| johnsom | Cool, thanks dhellmann | 16:34 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home , rbradfor : reno is meant to be used for release notes for deployers of openstack, the pbr-generator history file is useful for developers consuming the lib | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, ok, so i guess cross-linking them is up to each project | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | like a for-detailed-developer-docs click here | 16:35 |
| rbradfor | dhellmann, thanks, that is what we kinda got to | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | johnsom : the release request is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282905/ it just needs dtroyer to sign off on it | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | rbradfor : ah, yeah, I'm caught up with scrollback and I see that now | 16:35 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:36 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anything else that people want to talk about? | 16:36 |
| bknudson_ | I'd be interested in comments from oslo on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281579/ | 16:36 |
| bknudson_ | patchbot?? | 16:37 |
| bknudson_ | "Stop using oslotest.BaseTestCase" | 16:37 |
| bknudson_ | in keystone | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | interesting | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | bknudson_ : yeah, that follows with http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/oslo-specs/specs/policy/test-tools.html and http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/oslo-specs/specs/liberty/oslotest-refactor-test-base-class.html | 16:37 |
| bknudson_ | I'm not sure what the goal of oslotest's base test case is -- was it to bring some commonality to openstack tests? | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | bknudson_, afaik yes | 16:38 |
| bknudson_ | I hadn't seen these specs | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | bknudson_ : it was, but we've found a lot of issues with having multiple inheritance in test classes, so we thought fixtures would make a better way to compose things into tests | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | although i didn't know BaseTestCase was going bye bye | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home : it probably won't actually be deleted, we just want people to move off of it | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | at least not for a while | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, fixtures exist for all the stuff its doing anyway (afaik) so probably nicer to just use the fixtures u want as needed | 16:39 |
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| harlowja_at_home | bknudson_, are u thinking in that review that there would be a oslotest mega-fixture? | 16:41 |
| bknudson_ | harlowja_at_home: yes, if we want to keep projects consistent | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | where the mega-fixture would activate all those other fixtures? | 16:41 |
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| harlowja_at_home | right, mega-fixture would help the consistency part | 16:41 |
| bknudson_ | the thing is that these fixtures are actually controlled by env vars that come from tox.ini for example | 16:42 |
| harlowja_at_home | right, or testr.conf | 16:42 |
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| harlowja_at_home | (i think) | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | I don't think we want a megafixture. I think we want projects to choose which of these fixtures to use in the base class(es) they define in their own test suites. | 16:42 |
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| bknudson_ | ah, yes: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/.testr.conf#n2 | 16:43 |
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| bknudson_ | so I don't know if infra is setting OS_STDOUT_CAPTURE OS_STDERR_CAPTURE OS_LOG_CAPTURE ? | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | i don't think so | 16:44 |
| bknudson_ | is infra depending on those being available? I don't know what affect it has if you actually change them. | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | (but i might be wrong) | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | the defaults can be set in .testr.conf but they're really mean to be used for debugging tests locally I think | 16:44 |
| bknudson_ | the tests might not even pass if these are changed. | 16:44 |
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| bknudson_ | maybe it's better to simplify and not use these env vars or fixtures | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | bknudson_, understood, i myself have been stumped by that log/stdout capturing one | 16:45 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home : did you cover the fact that this is our last week to release changes before the freeze? | 16:45 |
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| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, yup | 16:45 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home : https://review.openstack.org/282435 would be good to get in, if I can make it pass the test suite :-/ | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, cool, looks like a good one once it passes | 16:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | recheck * 10, ha | 16:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | there's something weird going on in neutron, I think one of their plugins has an old incubated oslo.config | 16:47 |
| rbradfor | dhellmann, one of lxsli mutate changes to get released is dependent on a release first https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254821/ | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | rbradfor : ack, is there a release request for that? | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | I see https://review.openstack.org/282730 from dims | 16:48 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, that should cover it. dims is traveling today, but we can get that release done this afternoon. | 16:48 |
| rbradfor | dhellmann, so https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280847/ the pre-requisite I believe is in release | 16:48 |
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| dhellmann | right | 16:49 |
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| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, amrith had a question about oslo.log and the writeable option, wonder if u know much about that | 16:51 |
| * dhellmann scans scrollback again | 16:51 | |
| dhellmann | hmm, I'm not sure what change he means | 16:52 |
| amrith | let me get a link | 16:52 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:52 |
| amrith | https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.log/+bug/1440773 | 16:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1440773 in Trove "Remove WritableLogger as eventlet has a real logger interface in 0.17.2" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Chaozhe Chen (chaozhe-chen) | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | ah, WritableLogger is deprecated | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | I think this was working around -- right, an issue in eventlet | 16:53 |
| amrith | and the change in Trove, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283021/ | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | the class is still present, and I don't expect us to remove it from the library this week | 16:53 |
| amrith | I was wondering whether this is something critical that we should merge for Mitaka. | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | it's likely to happen early next cycle, though, if we keep on top of it | 16:53 |
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| amrith | thanks dhellmann harlowja_at_home | 16:55 |
| harlowja_at_home | np | 16:55 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ok, guess we running out of time | 16:55 |
| rbradfor | amrith, I'll add it to my ongoing deprecation work I'm trying to do across oslo config | 16:55 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anything else from folks before time runs up? get it while its hot, lol | 16:56 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ok welllllll if more stuff people think about #openstack-oslo | 16:57 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims should also be around later to | 16:57 |
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| harlowja_at_home | (or find me or dhellmann or others there) | 16:57 |
| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 22 16:58:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-02-22-16.00.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-02-22-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-02-22-16.00.log.html | 16:58 |
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| harlowja_at_home | thx all for coming :) | 16:58 |
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| notmyname | bknudson_: FYI, I was asked to remove patchbot from community channels since -infra doesn't run it | 16:59 |
| bknudson_ | notmyname: we were all loving it. | 17:00 |
| notmyname | bknudson_: yeah. me toto | 17:00 |
| notmyname | *too | 17:00 |
| notmyname | bknudson_: but if you have another channel you'd like me to have it lurk in, let me know | 17:00 |
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| bknudson_ | sneaky | 17:01 |
| notmyname | it's in a few now. -swift, -keystone, a few 3rd party ones | 17:01 |
| notmyname | I make it join -meeting for the swift meetings | 17:01 |
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| mfedosin | Courtesy meeting reminder ( #openstack-meeting-alt ): nikhil_k, ativelkov, mfedosin, docaedo, dshakhray, kfox111, kairat, nikhil, sudipto | 17:29 |
| nikhil | o/ | 17:29 |
| mfedosin | #startmeeting glance_artifacts_sub_team | 17:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 22 17:30:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mfedosin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance_artifacts_sub_team)" | 17:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance_artifacts_sub_team' | 17:30 |
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| mfedosin | o/ | 17:30 |
| mfedosin | hi Nikhil :) | 17:30 |
| mfedosin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-artifacts-sub-team-meeting-agenda | 17:30 |
| nikhil | hey! | 17:30 |
| mfedosin | today is a holiday here | 17:30 |
| mfedosin | so I wonder if someone appear | 17:30 |
| nikhil | ah | 17:30 |
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| mfedosin | but anyway, I created a spec | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | #topic Glare Stable API specification | 17:31 |
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| nikhil | yeah, saw that. it's awesome | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283136/1 | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | it's based on our discussions | 17:32 |
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| mfedosin | frankly speaking appearance sucks there... | 17:32 |
| mfedosin | but Olena will make it more beautiful | 17:32 |
| nikhil | :) | 17:33 |
| nikhil | am I allowed to make changes? | 17:33 |
| mfedosin | where? | 17:33 |
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| nikhil | spec | 17:33 |
| nikhil | to start with :) | 17:33 |
| mfedosin | I think it's better to leave comments if you have any questions | 17:33 |
| mfedosin | but if you want to edit... | 17:34 |
| nikhil | kk | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | why not | 17:34 |
| nikhil | strt w/ commit it is | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | please, add new ps :) | 17:34 |
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| mfedosin | history will be saved anyway | 17:34 |
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| docaedo | o/ | 17:34 |
| nikhil | :D | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | docaedo: hello! | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | we're discussing glare api spec | 17:35 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:35 |
| docaedo | hey, sorry for being late, have many things all happening at same time this morning :) | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | kzaitsev_mb: it's holiday, why you are here? :) | 17:35 |
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| mfedosin | spec is in 'draft' status... so, many things are required to make it look good | 17:36 |
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| mfedosin | but I suppose it's good start | 17:36 |
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| mfedosin | main idea was to make glare api highly compatible with glance v2 | 17:37 |
| mfedosin | and we did it as much as we could | 17:37 |
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| nikhil | mfedosin: should we add the APIImpact flag to get their attention or are we waiting for initial feedback from glance team? | 17:37 |
| mfedosin | hmm... yeah, we can | 17:38 |
| mfedosin | I want to hear comments from api-wg first | 17:38 |
| kzaitsev_mb | mfedosin: why not =) although I'm being distracted, so I'm only half-here =) | 17:38 |
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| mfedosin | but give Olena one day to look there and improve it :) | 17:39 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: k, may be we all should plan to discuss this in their meeting?? | 17:39 |
| nikhil | to get some extra momentum | 17:39 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: when? | 17:39 |
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| nikhil | one min | 17:39 |
| mfedosin | afair it's late :) | 17:40 |
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| nikhil | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#API_Working_Group | 17:40 |
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| mfedosin | absolutely fine for me | 17:40 |
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| nikhil | I guess, it's 1600 this Thursday | 17:41 |
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| mfedosin | sudipto__: hi! take a look at glare api spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283136/ | 17:41 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: I'll be there | 17:42 |
| sudipto__ | mfedosin, sure.. :) | 17:42 |
| sudipto__ | sorry got a little late. | 17:42 |
| sudipto__ | it's 11:12 PM here :) | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | sudipto__: np | 17:42 |
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| mfedosin | sudipto__: it's holiday here, and I shouldn't be here | 17:42 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: I will get in touch with those guys to set this up on their agenda | 17:42 |
| sudipto__ | mfedosin, :) | 17:43 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: okay, I don't see any agenda link there | 17:43 |
| mfedosin | if you can find, add us there | 17:43 |
| mfedosin | I think we can move to the next topic | 17:44 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: on it | 17:44 |
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| mfedosin | #topic Glare FAQ changes | 17:44 |
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| mfedosin | so, after discussions with you folks I understood, that that FAQ needs some changes | 17:45 |
| mfedosin | first one, we don't use plugins, instead we use artifact types in glance/objects folder | 17:45 |
| mfedosin | also we won't use Lists in Glare 1.0 API | 17:46 |
| mfedosin | they will appear only in 1.1 | 17:46 |
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| mfedosin | so I have to rebuild the architecture picture | 17:46 |
| mfedosin | btw | 17:47 |
| mfedosin | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D4Hik0-XNqwi43gxtybCs9-fMqh5IAIu8CHB33e46OQ/edit | 17:47 |
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| mfedosin | I'll continue to work on it and will present it for you next week | 17:47 |
| nikhil | ++ | 17:47 |
| nikhil | I doubt if we are in a hurry for the FAQ | 17:48 |
| nikhil | may be the spec can merge first and FAQ can follow | 17:48 |
| mfedosin | Out decision was to include it in glance repo's doc | 17:48 |
| nikhil | right | 17:48 |
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| mfedosin | nikhil: my opinion was to split it in 2 commits | 17:48 |
| mfedosin | one will describe basic parts without any technical details | 17:49 |
| mfedosin | it can be merged easily | 17:49 |
| nikhil | ah that's good idea | 17:49 |
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| mfedosin | I want include there topics like (What is Glare? What is the difference between Glare and Glance? etc) | 17:49 |
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| mfedosin | so, no technical specification will be revealed there | 17:50 |
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| mfedosin | but when the spec is merged we can move forward and suggest other technical parts | 17:51 |
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| sudipto__ | mfedosin, let me know how i could help next... | 17:51 |
| mfedosin | that's my plan | 17:51 |
| nikhil | ++ | 17:51 |
| sudipto__ | (maybe later) | 17:51 |
| mfedosin | sudipto__: I think we will start writing the code in the middle of March | 17:52 |
| mfedosin | to have some POC on the summit | 17:52 |
| sudipto__ | mfedosin, sure. | 17:52 |
| mfedosin | (of course if there won't be big concerns from API-WG and DefCore) | 17:53 |
| mfedosin | but now we should focus on stable api | 17:53 |
| mfedosin | sudipto__: so, the great help would be reading the spec and adding comments there :) | 17:54 |
| sudipto__ | mfedosin, sure. | 17:54 |
| mfedosin | sudipto__: thanks man :) | 17:54 |
| sudipto__ | mfedosin, always - till we get to coding... | 17:54 |
| mfedosin | okay, we have 5 minutes and have some good news | 17:55 |
| mfedosin | #topic Open Discussion | 17:55 |
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| mfedosin | I'm not sure if you remember Ina Vasilevskaya | 17:55 |
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| mfedosin | She worked on artifacts last year | 17:56 |
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| mfedosin | but then she went on maternity leave | 17:56 |
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| mfedosin | so, good news - now she's back and eager to start working again | 17:56 |
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| docaedo | that's good news | 17:57 |
| mfedosin | since she's a great coder and just good person our work will go faster | 17:57 |
| nikhil | \o/ | 17:57 |
| sudipto__ | great! | 17:58 |
| mfedosin | and also nikhil has applied on google summer of code | 17:58 |
| nikhil | (as a mentor :P) | 17:58 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: yes :D | 17:58 |
| mfedosin | and it seems they will give us a guy to implement client for Glare | 17:59 |
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| nikhil | he/she/they | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | doesn't matter | 17:59 |
| docaedo | that's be in openstack-client right? (hopefully not a stand-alone client) | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | I like them all :) | 17:59 |
| nikhil | o/ | 18:00 |
| mfedosin | docaedo: CLI in openstack client | 18:00 |
| docaedo | +1! | 18:00 |
| mfedosin | client in glanceclient | 18:00 |
| nikhil | docaedo: we still need a lib client | 18:00 |
| nikhil | that can be used by other services or ops or other sdks | 18:00 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: but if API is unified it will be easy to implement | 18:01 |
| mfedosin | so, we're out of time... | 18:01 |
| mfedosin | thank you for coming! | 18:01 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: yeah, I am just saying | 18:01 |
| nikhil | sure, thanks! | 18:01 |
| mfedosin | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 22 18:01:34 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts_sub_team/2016/glance_artifacts_sub_team.2016-02-22-17.30.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts_sub_team/2016/glance_artifacts_sub_team.2016-02-22-17.30.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts_sub_team/2016/glance_artifacts_sub_team.2016-02-22-17.30.log.html | 18:01 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 22 19:00:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| pvaneck | o/ | 19:02 |
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| andrey-mp | o/ | 19:04 |
| rockyg | o/ | 19:04 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: rockyg: hello | 19:04 |
| andrey-mp | hi | 19:04 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-02-22 | 19:04 |
| rockyg | Hi | 19:04 |
| catherineD | #topic Infra team suggests additions to our release model | 19:06 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: pvaneck: thank you for working on the topic | 19:06 |
| andrey-mp | ^) | 19:06 |
| andrey-mp | :) | 19:06 |
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| catherineD | #link Add pypi publish jobs to RefStack https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281720/ | 19:07 |
| pvaneck | yea, i believe the puppet-refstack change should be good to go | 19:07 |
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| andrey-mp | I check that current model works - last changes doesn't go to production | 19:07 |
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| pvaneck | though maybe we should wait for a new version release before having it merged | 19:08 |
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| catherineD | #link Make puppet pull releases from Pypi https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281737/ | 19:08 |
| andrey-mp | pvaneck: we can add tag 1.0.1 for checking | 19:08 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: yup that is good ... however, I do think that we should target for small increments release so it is easier to manage bugs | 19:09 |
| pvaneck | sure, now that openstackci handles releasing to pypi now | 19:09 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: ++ for 1.0.1 for checking once https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281737/ is merged? | 19:09 |
| pvaneck | make tag first | 19:10 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: I agree | 19:10 |
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| andrey-mp | yeah, tag is needed first | 19:10 |
| catherineD | ok yea I think we have a couple merged since 1.0.0 so we can test | 19:10 |
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| catherineD | #action Catherine to create tag 1.0.1 | 19:11 |
| catherineD | so we will use 1.0.1 and not 1.1.0? | 19:11 |
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| catherineD | first 1 = mitaka | 19:11 |
| catherineD | not sure how we want to differentiate the second and third digits | 19:12 |
| andrey-mp | pvaneck: what do you want to do with your review? | 19:12 |
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| pvaneck | andrey-mp: i think it should be good to go based on my testing. I'll release the -2 wip | 19:13 |
| rockyg | third is bugfixes/maintenance | 19:13 |
| pvaneck | once the tag is made | 19:13 |
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| andrey-mp | ok | 19:13 |
| catherineD | rockyg: good suggestion | 19:13 |
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| rockyg | second is compatible feature additions or enhancements | 19:13 |
| catherineD | if we use what rockyg: suggest .. the next release will be 1.0.1 | 19:14 |
| catherineD | rockyg: thanks | 19:14 |
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| catherineD | moving on ? | 19:15 |
| andrey-mp | yes | 19:15 |
| catherineD | #topic Vendor user management | 19:15 |
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| catherineD | we got the guideline from DefCore. | 19:15 |
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| catherineD | # https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277313/ Vendor user management | 19:16 |
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| catherineD | please review ... | 19:16 |
| andrey-mp | cetherineD: i didn't see email from Alex to DefCore and answers - was it same answers? | 19:16 |
| catherineD | oh ... let me forward the email | 19:17 |
| rockyg | there were a couple of replies... | 19:17 |
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| catherineD | catherineD: do you mean response to Alex's latest email? | 19:17 |
| catherineD | if so no response yet | 19:17 |
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| andrey-mp | but I don't have comments for this patch. it doesn't describe finding of users and listing all users. | 19:18 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: yes | 19:18 |
| rockyg | dont know if latest. sorry. was in England last week | 19:18 |
| catherineD | rockyg: nice :-) | 19:19 |
| andrey-mp | i mean Alex's latest email | 19:19 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: I guess we need to wait for response ... | 19:20 |
| catherineD | let's move on then ... | 19:20 |
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| andrey-mp | catherineD: ok. I thought that you already have answer | 19:20 |
| rockyg | not so nice. ops and product wg midcycles. lots of work, not much play. | 19:20 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: no we did not have answer to Alex's latest email | 19:21 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: I understanding of the reponse so far is only foundation member should be able to list users in RefStack | 19:22 |
| catherineD | To add a user to a vendor, the vendor admin has to get the information (email, openid ) from the user | 19:22 |
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| andrey-mp | it is not so user-friendly for me | 19:23 |
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| andrey-mp | like gerrit - it allows to search for users by email or name | 19:23 |
| rockyg | yeah. to add user, vendor admin should just need email address from company domain. | 19:24 |
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| catherineD | rockyg: agree .. email would be much more friendlier | 19:25 |
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| andrey-mp | but vendor admin should enter full and exact email | 19:26 |
| rockyg | send email to added user for verification. they log onto openid to accept. | 19:26 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: The UI can ask for email ... and then search for OpenID in RefStack db based on email | 19:26 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: rockyg: this is different views :) | 19:26 |
| catherineD | rockyg: that would be ideal but notification most likely will not be implemented for Mitaka | 19:26 |
| rockyg | andrey-mp, full email entered and let system verify and provide opendid to refstack server from openid server. | 19:27 |
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| catherineD | I do not mind the REST API to use email of OpenID | 19:28 |
| andrey-mp | rockyg: but does OpenID protocol has such ability? I thought that is only authentication service. | 19:28 |
| rockyg | Like you said., but with extra check/verification. If email not in system, no openid email to user and error to admin | 19:28 |
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| catherineD | right now the spec use OpenID but I do not mind to change if we decide to use email ... | 19:28 |
| andrey-mp | rockyg: in this case it's better to return error to vendor admin - user is absent in our DB | 19:28 |
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| rockyg | if email in system, then mail recipient can say yes, this is correct or you got the wrong email address. | 19:29 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: yea checking will be against RefStack user DB | 19:29 |
| andrey-mp | OpenID is better because it is an unique identifier | 19:29 |
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| andrey-mp | but email is not unique and it is not and identifier in terms of OpenID protocol | 19:30 |
| rockyg | can we tie refstack to openid check the same way gerrit is tied to it? | 19:30 |
| rockyg | or rather review.openstack.org | 19:30 |
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| catherineD | rockyg: we are not right now | 19:31 |
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| catherineD | the problem to solve is what can we do now to get our goal of vendor registratio nin Mitaka) | 19:31 |
| rockyg | review.openstack.org relies on the tuple to guarantee uniqueness. User must login to openstackid to be recognized. | 19:31 |
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| rockyg | Ah. Short time. I get it. | 19:32 |
| catherineD | the simplest way is to check against RefStack user db base on input (email or OpenID) | 19:32 |
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| catherineD | rockyg: yea short time for now | 19:32 |
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| catherineD | we can improve later | 19:32 |
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| catherineD | what implementing now should be something that is easy for us to upgrade later | 19:33 |
| catherineD | anything else on user management? | 19:33 |
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| catherineD | #topic Vendor REST APIs | 19:33 |
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| catherineD | #link Vendor management REST API spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274837/ | 19:34 |
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| catherineD | The biggest decision is filtering of response data base on requester's role ( anonymous , foundation ad min, vendor admin ...) | 19:35 |
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| andrey-mp | catherineD: could you decsribe what problems do you see here? | 19:36 |
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| catherineD | on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274837/8/specs/mitaka/approved/vendor-registration-api.rst | 19:37 |
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| catherineD | the different in response data on line 143 - 156 for anonymous users and 162- 178 for foundation and vendor admins | 19:38 |
| andrey-mp | and, btw, Alex promised to desribe paging/sorting mechanism for our REST api... | 19:38 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: that is great | 19:39 |
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| andrey-mp | yeah, that's great but we don't have this :) | 19:39 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: we do not need to have everything on the first installation | 19:40 |
| rockyg | ++ | 19:40 |
| catherineD | we can document it | 19:40 |
| andrey-mp | do we really need created_at/updated_at fields in response? | 19:40 |
| catherineD | we have to demonstrate that we consider all design aspects but not necessary implement all at start | 19:40 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: for an anonymous user no ... | 19:41 |
| andrey-mp | for me it is not so hard to implement it but hard to describe :) | 19:41 |
| catherineD | for foundation maybe | 19:41 |
| andrey-mp | i asked about foundation... | 19:41 |
| andrey-mp | because there is no description in this response (list) | 19:42 |
| catherineD | For foundation members, they may want to see the date that the vendor was created ... for sorting | 19:42 |
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| catherineD | or filtering to know the number of vendor created in the last quarter for example | 19:43 |
| catherineD | I can put in description | 19:43 |
| catherineD | if that helps | 19:43 |
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| andrey-mp | description can help in list | 19:44 |
| catherineD | ok | 19:44 |
| andrey-mp | but anyway we will have same problem in 'get_one' | 19:44 |
| rockyg | foundation also might want statistics on things like user churn, size of vendor approved users, etc | 19:44 |
| catherineD | pls add a comment on .... | 19:44 |
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| catherineD | rockyg: ++ | 19:45 |
| andrey-mp | rockyg: I think this is additional info on 'vednor info page' | 19:45 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: yes we have the same problem ... and the spec also show filtering response | 19:45 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: but think about I just want to have a quick look of the vendor resgisterd for the last quarter .. | 19:46 |
| catherineD | The vendor UI page should be able to display that ... just like the date range filter we have for the results | 19:46 |
| rockyg | ++ | 19:47 |
| catherineD | everyone please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274837/ | 19:48 |
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| andrey-mp | catherineD: yeah, it can help but this functionality is too wide to describe/implement it mitaka, or no? | 19:48 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: I do no mind if we do not implement it in Mitaka | 19:48 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: I'll ping Alex to describe paging/sorting that he want to see | 19:49 |
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| catherineD | for the spec, we want to demonstrate that we have consider all important aspect ... we can put a note in which one will be implemented later | 19:49 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: yea thx .. pls keep in mind that we do not have to implement every thing at start | 19:50 |
| catherineD | for response filtering | 19:50 |
| andrey-mp | yeah, but i want to document it now :) | 19:50 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: yea I agree that we need to document now | 19:50 |
| catherineD | for response filtering ... we can start by provide limited data (with the created_date for example ..) | 19:51 |
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| catherineD | then add later | 19:51 |
| andrey-mp | your spec has 'page' param and I think that we all should agree with it or use something else... | 19:51 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: if it helps to merge the spec faster ... I will just mention page and use that as example .. | 19:52 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: yes, it can be a way - provide data that users can see and then add specific cases | 19:52 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: and the start is to provide limited data ... then add on | 19:53 |
| catherineD | not with more data and the reduce later | 19:53 |
| andrey-mp | i agree | 19:53 |
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| catherineD | therefore thinking about the data privacy at this time will help us to know what should be provided now and what shoudl be added later | 19:53 |
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| catherineD | great ... let move on to the next topic | 19:54 |
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| catherineD | The spec does not memtion about update to type ... because it need more consideration | 19:54 |
| catherineD | #topic Vendor "type" update | 19:54 |
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| andrey-mp | 3.3.1 - yes | 19:54 |
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| catherineD | how about 3,3.2 ... that means we can not use the normal update REST API for type ... as you and Alex commented earlier | 19:56 |
| andrey-mp | 3.3.2 - this is best way to use additional methods instead of changing type in PUT request | 19:56 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: agreed | 19:56 |
| catherineD | now 3.3.3 | 19:56 |
| andrey-mp | agree | 19:56 |
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| catherineD | 3.3.4 | 19:57 |
| andrey-mp | "official -> private/pending" - i think no. I can't image such scenarios | 19:57 |
| pvaneck | isnt pending -> private what happens when a vendor is rejected? | 19:57 |
| pvaneck | or not approved | 19:58 |
| andrey-mp | but "pending -> private" is a 'decline' scenario | 19:58 |
| * catherineD 3 mins left could we continue for 15 mins at #refstack after this | 19:58 | |
| andrey-mp | foundation admin can decline registraion with entering a reason | 19:58 |
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| andrey-mp | (you can try it all on test server - http://52.49.129.72:8000/#/) | 19:59 |
| catherineD | let got to #refstack | 19:59 |
| catherineD | let's go to #refstack ...:-) | 19:59 |
| andrey-mp | ok | 19:59 |
| catherineD | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| diazjf1 | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 22 20:00:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is diazjf1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| diazjf1 | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
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| panatl | o/ | 20:00 |
| silos | \o/ | 20:00 |
| edtubill | o/ | 20:00 |
| maxabidi | o/ | 20:00 |
| elmiko | o/ | 20:01 |
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| woodster_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| mp1 | o/ | 20:01 |
| jmckind_ | o/ | 20:01 |
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| diazjf1 | Hello Barbicaneers! I'll wait 1 more min for others to join before we start. | 20:02 |
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| jhfeng | o/ | 20:02 |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:02 |
| rellerreller | o/ | 20:02 |
| diazjf1 | Lots of people on today | 20:02 |
| diazjf1 | irc://chat.freenode.net:6667/#topic Action Items | 20:02 |
| diazjf1 | #topic Action Items | 20:03 |
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| diazjf1 | silos and redrobot to collaborate on an etherpad for what the unified CLI should look like | 20:03 |
| diazjf1 | Last meetings notes can be found here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-02-15-20.01.html | 20:03 |
| redrobot | o/ for like 1 | 20:03 |
| redrobot | 10 min | 20:04 |
| diazjf1 | Hola redrobot! So silos and redrobot will be working on an etherpad on what the new Barbican CLI should look like. I believe the etherpad is up here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-client-v2 | 20:04 |
| diazjf1 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-client-v2 | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | Awesome | 20:05 |
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| diazjf1 | silos any comments? | 20:05 |
| silos | Everyone should check it out and make comments on what kind of changes they think should happen in the client. | 20:05 |
| silos | Just wanted to make everyone aware. | 20:05 |
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| diazjf1 | Awesome, I'll take a look later today | 20:06 |
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| kfarr | o/ | 20:06 |
| diazjf1 | Now we can move on to the agenda. | 20:07 |
| diazjf1 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:07 |
| diazjf1 | #topic Fernando Diaz added to core team | 20:07 |
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| rellerreller | Congratulations! | 20:07 |
| panatl | congrate!! Diaz | 20:08 |
| arunkant | congrats diazjf1 | 20:08 |
| elmiko | woot! gratz diazjf1 | 20:08 |
| edtubill | congrats diazjf! | 20:08 |
| pdesai | congratulations diazf1 | 20:08 |
| woodster_ | diazjf1: congrats! | 20:08 |
| silos | congrats! | 20:08 |
| diazjf1 | Thanks Everyone!! Feels good to be a Barbican Core :) | 20:08 |
| redrobot | Haha, awesome. Yeah, I just wanted to point out that I added you to the Gerrit access group | 20:09 |
| diazjf1 | redrobot, thanks man. I did my first +1 Workflow. I grew up so fast. | 20:09 |
| diazjf1 | Now on to the next topic | 20:10 |
| redrobot | diazjf remember, with great power comes great responsibility. | 20:10 |
| diazjf1 | redrobot, I feel like spiderman now. | 20:10 |
| diazjf1 | #topic Barbican CLI revamp | 20:10 |
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| redrobot | I'll take a look at the cli stuff later. | 20:11 |
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| diazjf1 | silos anything you want to add aside from the etherpad? | 20:11 |
| redrobot | Gotta run, I have some soccer season tickets to pick... | 20:11 |
| silos | No. | 20:11 |
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| diazjf1 | redrobot, have fun! | 20:12 |
| diazjf1 | Alright so then I guess its open discussion. This was a quick meeting. | 20:12 |
| diazjf1 | #topic Open Discussion | 20:13 |
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| rm_work | I was hoping MAYBE someone could pick up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251168/ from me | 20:13 |
| rm_work | It's a bit old at this point, but most of the discussion is done and it just needs some cleanup I think | 20:13 |
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| rm_work | and for now the consumers feature is somewhat broken :/ | 20:14 |
| rm_work | re: ACLs | 20:14 |
| diazjf1 | #Action Find someone to pickup https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251168/ | 20:14 |
| diazjf1 | irc://chat.freenode.net:6667/#Action Find someone to pickup https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251168/ | 20:15 |
| rm_work | Or, maybe someone can just help me with the oslo-policy stuff, which i have zero experience with and this seems a bit complex for me | 20:15 |
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| diazjf1 | rm_work there are a couple of new Barbicaneers here at IBM, maybe one of them can take it on | 20:15 |
| diazjf1 | I'll talk to them sometime this week | 20:15 |
| kfarr | If anyone feels like doing reviews, Castellan needs some love: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/castellan+status:open | 20:16 |
| rm_work | that would be awesome diazjf1 | 20:16 |
| diazjf1 | mp1 ^ | 20:16 |
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| mp1 | sure I can take a look at it | 20:17 |
| rellerreller | kfarr I think diazjf has some new found power to help with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272218/ | 20:17 |
| kfarr | rellerreller diazjf1 excellent! | 20:17 |
| diazjf1 | rellerreller, kfarr, yup that looks like my first official merge :) | 20:17 |
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| diazjf1 | anything else | 20:20 |
| panatl | i am available for 251168 | 20:20 |
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| diazjf1 | what's going on? | 20:21 |
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| elmiko | netsplit apparently | 20:21 |
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| panatl | diazjf1 rm_work .. i am look into 251168 | 20:21 |
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| rm_work | awesome, thank you panatl! | 20:21 |
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| diazjf1 | so panatl is looking into https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251168/ | 20:22 |
| rm_work | panatl: let me know if you have any questions | 20:22 |
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| panatl | yes i will ... will get started on that soon | 20:22 |
| rm_work | I think it was left in a .... close to working, but not quite working, state | 20:22 |
| diazjf1 | panatl, sounds good! thanks | 20:22 |
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| diazjf1 | awesome, then if there's nothing else, we get 45 mins back in the day. | 20:23 |
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| diazjf1 | thanks everyone for coming! | 20:24 |
| diazjf1 | #endmeeting | 20:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 22 20:24:57 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-02-22-20.00.html | 20:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-02-22-20.00.txt | 20:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-02-22-20.00.log.html | 20:25 |
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| elmiko | thanks diazjf1 | 20:25 |
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| diazjf1 | elmiko no problem! | 20:25 |
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| shamail | Hi all | 21:01 |
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| carolbarrett | Hi | 21:01 |
| kencjohnston | hello | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett | #startmeeting Product Working Group | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 22 21:01:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carolbarrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| kencjohnston | 0/ | 21:01 |
| hughhalf | o/ | 21:01 |
| kencjohnston | whoops, I meant o/ | 21:01 |
| KrishR | o/ | 21:01 |
| shamail | Here, but mobile client today | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett | Hi All - Let's start with role call | 21:01 |
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| carolbarrett | meant roll call :) | 21:02 |
| hughhalf | o/ | 21:02 |
| KrishR | o/ | 21:02 |
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| thingee | o/ | 21:02 |
| sgordon | o/ | 21:02 |
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| leong | o/ | 21:02 |
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| carolbarrett | i hear that the gold member meeting is occurring now too, which may impact some folks | 21:02 |
| leong | let's continue on what we have | 21:03 |
| carolbarrett | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:03 |
| carolbarrett | Here's the link for today's agenda | 21:03 |
| rockyg | o/ | 21:03 |
| carolbarrett | Let's start off with Roadmap discussion | 21:03 |
| shamail | Sounds good | 21:03 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Roadmap Update | 21:03 |
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| carolbarrett | Shamail - can you lead this? | 21:03 |
| shamail | Sure, thanks carolbarrett | 21:04 |
| shamail | So at the mid-cycle we had a productive discussion about the roadmap process. This resulted in some minor changes to the process... We also heard about our deadlines from Heidi Joy | 21:04 |
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| shamail | We need to get the 10000, 1000, and 100 ft views to Heidi Joy the week of 3/15 | 21:05 |
| shamail | Therefore the deadline for getting updates from projects is 3/11 | 21:05 |
| shamail | (To give time to generate 10K and 1K views) | 21:05 |
| shamail | At the mid-cycle, people volunteered to help with the roadmap process (CPLs generally help with their respective projects) | 21:06 |
| shamail | Please look at the linked spreadsheet as it contains names for the owners for the roadmap cycle | 21:06 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: can you add link in IRC please? | 21:06 |
| shamail | (Switching apps is hard on phone) | 21:06 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1md7lEvq4SbLLefiq8cL3UIYMfWE6nLETm84YoqDi6nE/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=1358080590 | 21:06 |
| shamail | Does anyone see their name next to a project that does NOT have the time to participate in gathering the information? | 21:07 |
| shamail | Also, the projects in yellow are "required", all others are optional | 21:07 |
| shamail | The criteria was adoption data from the user survey | 21:07 |
| kencjohnston | shamail I see Phil Williams on there and he's not in this meeting, but I'll confirm his coverage of swift | 21:07 |
| shamail | If you have both an optional and required project, please complete the required first | 21:08 |
| shamail | As the optional projects are not needed for marketing launch | 21:08 |
| shamail | Thanks Kencjohnston | 21:08 |
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| hughhalf | lgtm shamail, thanks | 21:08 |
| shamail | So everyone here is fine with their assignment? | 21:08 |
| kencjohnston | shamail I was going to see if hughhalf wanted to take Docs from me, given he is in the same timezone as the PTL. | 21:08 |
| shamail | Thanks hughhalf | 21:09 |
| shamail | hughhalf: up for that? | 21:09 |
| hughhalf | kencjohnston sure, can do man | 21:09 |
| shamail | Thanks | 21:09 |
| leong | Do we need to put our name in if anyone of us can help? | 21:09 |
| rockyg | Is there a list of questions we should get answered? First time data gatherer here | 21:09 |
| shamail | In the agenda, I have also linked the template for the 100 ft view | 21:09 |
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| shamail | We can use the actual data for mitaka (such as the PTL interview video and links to specs/repos) | 21:09 |
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| shamail | But we will need to still ask PTLs about the future releases | 21:10 |
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| shamail | leong: please add your name as backup if there is already an assignment | 21:11 |
| shamail | Otherwise you can sign up | 21:11 |
| leong | ok | 21:11 |
| kencjohnston | shamail confirmed with phil that he is good for swift | 21:11 |
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| shamail | rockyg: we will be sending a template email with questions, I think Heidi Joy has that AR | 21:11 |
| rockyg | excellent. Thanks. | 21:11 |
| kencjohnston | sgordon I can also serve as backup for magnum | 21:11 |
| sgordon | nok | 21:11 |
| sgordon | *ok | 21:12 |
| shamail | So, the plan is to get info from PTLs and send over the completed 100 ft views by 3/11 | 21:12 |
| carolbarrett | Good stuff - anything else Shamail? | 21:12 |
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| shamail | I'm thinking we should have a weekly sub-team meeting... Do people agree? | 21:13 |
| carolbarrett | Or questions from anyone else on this? | 21:13 |
| shamail | Kind of like we did last cycle | 21:13 |
| shamail | If we want to do one, I can send out a doodle | 21:13 |
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| MeganR | sub-team meeting for the roadmap? | 21:13 |
| shamail | Yes | 21:13 |
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| MeganR | sure, I think that is a good idea | 21:13 |
| shamail | A weekly 30 min checkpoint | 21:13 |
| shamail | We can make it one hour after release marketing is done | 21:14 |
| kencjohnston | shamail works for me | 21:14 |
| carolbarrett | Sounds good | 21:14 |
| leong | +1 | 21:14 |
| shamail | Last comment: We are doing two exercises... Gathering data for release marketing (this is the one with hard deadlines) | 21:14 |
| carolbarrett | Shamail: Do you want to send out a doodle to set a time? | 21:14 |
| shamail | And building the roadmap for our session, which we can continue to build after 3/15 | 21:14 |
| shamail | And will include the optimal projects | 21:15 |
| shamail | Yes, I will carolbarrett | 21:15 |
| shamail | Please assign me the action | 21:15 |
| shamail | That's all I had | 21:15 |
| carolbarrett | #action Shamail send out Doodle to set time for roadmap sub-team meeting | 21:15 |
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| KrishR | So the Mitaka info has to be done by 3/11, right? | 21:15 |
| shamail | Yes, please | 21:15 |
| shamail | I'll be available by email for any questions during the collection phase | 21:16 |
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| kencjohnston | shamail given the timing we should press the urgency for the question formatting. | 21:16 |
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| kencjohnston | I'd like to send out the initial emails today/tomorrow. | 21:17 |
| shamail | Will do carolbarrett | 21:17 |
| rockyg | ++ | 21:17 |
| MeganR | +1 | 21:17 |
| leong | +1 | 21:17 |
| carolbarrett | +1 | 21:17 |
| shamail | I'll talk with HeidiJoy | 21:17 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks Shamail | 21:18 |
| carolbarrett | Ok - let's move along | 21:18 |
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| carolbarrett | #topic Midcycle Update | 21:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Midcycle Update (Meeting topic: Product Working Group)" | 21:18 | |
| carolbarrett | We had a good 2 day working session after the Ops Midcycle | 21:19 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks to Kenny and Rackspace for hosting us! | 21:19 |
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| MeganR | +1 | 21:19 |
| leong | +1 | 21:19 |
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| shamail | +1 | 21:19 |
| carolbarrett | We're not going to cover the outcome in detail today, that's on the agenda for next week. | 21:19 |
| carolbarrett | But do want to share a link to an etherpad that has a summary of the midcycle | 21:20 |
| carolbarrett | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG-LON16-MidCycle_Summary | 21:20 |
| carolbarrett | Also includes the ARs from the emails from Kenny and Shamail | 21:20 |
| shamail | Great mid-cycle filled with energetic/passionate discussions!! | 21:20 |
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| carolbarrett | shamail: Is there a link to the updated work flow that we can provide too? | 21:20 |
| rockyg | ++ | 21:21 |
| shamail | Not yet carolbarrett, sorry | 21:21 |
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| shamail | I'll have it up somewhere by Wednesday | 21:21 |
| shamail | Went directly to a conference :( | 21:21 |
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| shamail | I'll also summarize the new workflow via email so we can discuss in a future meeting | 21:21 |
| leong | shamail, do you want to send the ppt to me and i can try help to update the diagram to wiki? | 21:22 |
| carolbarrett | Is the final slide deck that we used at the London OpenStack Users Group available online? We could give that link | 21:22 |
| shamail | I'll add it Leong, just travel slowed me down | 21:22 |
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| leong | no problem...just let me know if you need help | 21:22 |
| shamail | Not sure if it's up, I did give it to the organizers | 21:22 |
| shamail | Thanks Leong!! | 21:23 |
| carolbarrett | Is Nate on? | 21:23 |
| shamail | I don't believe so | 21:23 |
| shamail | Brb, I'll check user group sute | 21:23 |
| shamail | Site* | 21:24 |
| carolbarrett | OK - I'll look for a link to the meetup and send out the link | 21:24 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: Thanks! | 21:24 |
| carolbarrett | For people who didn't attend the midcycle (and even if you did)...pls review the etherpad, there's info and action requests for all of us! | 21:24 |
| carolbarrett | moving on... | 21:24 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Gerrit Team Training | 21:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gerrit Team Training (Meeting topic: Product Working Group)" | 21:25 | |
| carolbarrett | This came up in the midcycle and we wanted to discuss here | 21:25 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: I don't see it on there, I'll send out an email by Wednesday with workflow | 21:25 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: Thanks | 21:25 |
| carolbarrett | The new version of Gerrit has a web interface for editing. This lowers the barrier of configuration/complexity for people to edit and comment on reviews | 21:26 |
| carolbarrett | We would like to increase the volume of folks reviewing user stories and adding comments/contents to improve them, so am wondering if we want to have a team training | 21:26 |
| carolbarrett | Show of hands for who is interested in this? | 21:26 |
| cloudrancher | I am | 21:27 |
| KrishR | i vote for Gerrit team training | 21:27 |
| MeganR | I am | 21:27 |
| shamail | I can volunteer to help with the training | 21:27 |
| carolbarrett | o/ | 21:27 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett +1, and I'm happy help lead the session | 21:27 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: Thanks will take you and Kencjohnston up on the offers! | 21:27 |
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| rockyg | ++ | 21:28 |
| carolbarrett | Shamail/kencjohnston: How long do you think we need for it? 30mins? 60 mins? | 21:28 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: thoughts? I'm thinking 60 to leave room for questions/Murphy? | 21:28 |
| mbonell | o/ | 21:28 |
| kencjohnston | shamail +1 | 21:28 |
| kencjohnston | if we are getting folks setup with git and git-review that will take awhile | 21:29 |
| carolbarrett | Sounds good | 21:29 |
| leong | +1 | 21:29 |
| carolbarrett | #action carol send out doodle to set time for team training on gerrit | 21:29 |
| kencjohnston | we can send out prework | 21:29 |
| carolbarrett | kencjohnston - good | 21:29 |
| * hughhalf nods | 21:29 | |
| vmtyler | Maybe focus on live edit in gerritt | 21:29 |
| carolbarrett | anything else on this one? | 21:29 |
| leong | there's a video available for setting up git/git-review on windows | 21:29 |
| kencjohnston | leong link? | 21:29 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAVPDyK8flc | 21:30 |
| carolbarrett | that's for gerrit on Windows | 21:30 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett thanks | 21:30 |
| carolbarrett | here's for setting up account | 21:30 |
| leong | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAVPDyK8flc | 21:30 |
| vmtyler | Also http://vmtyler.com/contributing-to-openstack-documentation/ | 21:30 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJBSWYzWGv4 | 21:30 |
| vmtyler | Has git git-review setup | 21:30 |
| carolbarrett | thanks vmtyler | 21:30 |
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| shamail | Nice vmtyler and leong | 21:30 |
| carolbarrett | moving along... | 21:31 |
| * kencjohnston is reminded that at the summit the infra team said we should exclusively use - http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html#getting-started | 21:31 | |
| kencjohnston | #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html#getting-started | 21:31 |
| leong | the developer getting started is mainly targetted on Linux environment. | 21:31 |
| carolbarrett | kencjohnston: that's a good doc, but didn't have enough detail to help me get setup | 21:32 |
| leong | the video link that posted earlier is purely targetted on Windows environment | 21:32 |
| kencjohnston | leong carolbarrett I agree, but maybe we should work to improve that doc | 21:32 |
| carolbarrett | +1; that was my issue. | 21:32 |
| * kencjohnston makes a note to talk to the infra team about that | 21:32 | |
| carolbarrett | kencjohnston: good point | 21:32 |
| leong | +1 | 21:32 |
| shamail | I think it might've been Windows vs Linux details | 21:32 |
| carolbarrett | #action kencjohnston talk to talk to the infra team about adding more detail on Windows setup to docs | 21:33 |
| leong | and also proxy for folks within within corporate env | 21:33 |
| carolbarrett | should that action be to talk to docs team? | 21:33 |
| thingee | yeah pretty sure the infra team doesn't care, just someone has to do it | 21:33 |
| rockyg | no. the doc is owned by infra | 21:33 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett no, I think that URL shows the doc is owned by infra | 21:33 |
| sgordon | or more accurately, in an infra repo and owned by everyone... | 21:34 |
| carolbarrett | gotcha | 21:34 |
| sgordon | ;) | 21:34 |
| kencjohnston | sgordon :) | 21:34 |
| carolbarrett | anything else on this one? | 21:34 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Planning for Austin | 21:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Planning for Austin (Meeting topic: Product Working Group)" | 21:35 | |
| shamail | Gerritt is going to be critical for new workflow, so I'm glad we are doing this | 21:35 |
| carolbarrett | As you'll see in the midcycle summary etherpad, we talked about Austin team meeting plans | 21:35 |
| carolbarrett | A proposal was made to plan a full day working session on Friday of the conference (4/29) | 21:35 |
| carolbarrett | Thoughts & Discussion? | 21:35 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett pros - Entire day of discussion to draft and review user stories | 21:36 |
| hughhalf | My only concern with a full day Friday is if it prevents folk from attending other project sessions that are relevant. Istr Friday pretty quiet though usually | 21:36 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett cons - we will all be burnt out and want to go to the lake | 21:36 |
| carolbarrett | hughalf: Friday is design summit only, so likely less busy for people | 21:37 |
| carolbarrett | kencjohnston: definitely a concern | 21:37 |
| leong | what about a half-day? | 21:37 |
| KrishR | suggest do 9am-1pm...tough to keep everyone going beyond that on a Friday | 21:37 |
| kencjohnston | KrishR +1 | 21:37 |
| sgordon | hughhalf, that is my concern also | 21:38 |
| kencjohnston | sgordon hughhalf It was pointed out that many projects end up blowing off Friday due to burnout anyway | 21:38 |
| shamail | I'm fine with either options | 21:38 |
| sgordon | carolbarrett, less busy but if you are involved in all of 1 other project it's a guaranteed clash | 21:38 |
| sgordon | as opposed to a 50% chance of one ;) | 21:38 |
| kencjohnston | sgordon we would have the same clash if we tried to do a significant block of time any other day of the week | 21:39 |
| hughhalf | sgordon I agree - otoh, I think Friday is probably still the better option overall | 21:39 |
| * hughhalf idly wonders if Friday could be held at the lake, thus killing two birds with one stone. | 21:39 | |
| sgordon | hughhalf, well what i am getting at is, is there an agenda that mandates a full day | 21:39 |
| carolbarrett | Agree, Friday isn't perfect, but it does seems like the best option | 21:39 |
| * hughhalf nods at kencjohnston | 21:39 | |
| sgordon | as opposed to a half day | 21:39 |
| kencjohnston | sgordon I think a half day would be appropriate | 21:39 |
| sgordon | because if we a schedule a full day and then end up knocking off after lunch anyway it's kind of sub optimal | 21:39 |
| * hughhalf nods | 21:39 | |
| shamail | I think if we only do one session then it won't be a working session since we usually get so many new people that it turns into an intro session | 21:40 |
| rockyg | friday is always working day for the projects. So, lots of coding, little discussion for most. | 21:40 |
| carolbarrett | I think a half day is a good option | 21:40 |
| kencjohnston | shamail good point, everyone should keep in mind, we discussed doing this as a workign session in addition to our "Bird of a feather" intro session | 21:40 |
| sgordon | disagree at least from my experience with docs and nova | 21:40 |
| sgordon | limited coding | 21:40 |
| sgordon | maximum sorting out issues we didnt get to earlier in the week | 21:40 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: +1 | 21:40 |
| carolbarrett | good point kencjohnston & shamail | 21:40 |
| leong | kencjohnston +1 | 21:41 |
| kencjohnston | in my mind the working session would be a chance to live review and collaborate on user stories | 21:41 |
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| carolbarrett | It sounds like the proposal is BoF session during the Summit to socialize the WG and reach out to new members; Plan a halfday session on Friday. | 21:41 |
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| kencjohnston | carolbarrett +1 | 21:42 |
| hughhalf | carolbarrett +1 | 21:42 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: +1 | 21:42 |
| carolbarrett | Friday session is a hands-on working session | 21:42 |
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| leong | carolbarrett +1 | 21:42 |
| vmtyler | +1 | 21:42 |
| carolbarrett | Anyone opposed to this plan or have another one they want to propose? | 21:42 |
| KrishR | +1 | 21:42 |
| carolbarrett | If not, then I'll take the action to talk with the Foundation folks about a room - unless one of them is here now...? | 21:43 |
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| carolbarrett | #action carol talk with the Foundation folks about a room for Friday halfday working session | 21:43 |
| carolbarrett | I have already put in a request for the BoF session | 21:43 |
| sgordon | i think for the friday sessions it is probably ttx | 21:44 |
| sgordon | as those are effectively design summit blocks | 21:44 |
| * sgordon could be wrong though | 21:44 | |
| carolbarrett | sgordon: Thanks will check with him | 21:44 |
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| carolbarrett | Anything else on this? | 21:44 |
| carolbarrett | moving along... | 21:45 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Persona working session | 21:45 |
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| carolbarrett | Piet - Are you here? | 21:45 |
| carolbarrett | I'm assuming Piet added this to our agenda. Or did someone else? | 21:45 |
| piet | Chatting with Michael | 21:45 |
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| carolbarrett | Can you cover the agenda item you added? | 21:46 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett looks like no. Should we move it to next week? | 21:46 |
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| carolbarrett | Sounds good kencjohnston | 21:46 |
| carolbarrett | Will make the change | 21:46 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Opens | 21:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Opens (Meeting topic: Product Working Group)" | 21:46 | |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett I have two | 21:47 |
| carolbarrett | Go for it | 21:47 |
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| kencjohnston | First, we got a lot of feedback on the Rolling Upgrades user story | 21:47 |
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| kencjohnston | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281787/ | 21:47 |
| kencjohnston | and have cleared a number of the -1s | 21:47 |
| kencjohnston | so I'd request that core reviews +2 at this point | 21:47 |
| kencjohnston | I have a number of actions for the story post this review merging which I'll work as soon as it does | 21:47 |
| kencjohnston | any concerns with that? | 21:48 |
| carolbarrett | not from me | 21:49 |
| kencjohnston | ok | 21:49 |
| kencjohnston | Brief update for those who weren't at the mid-cycle | 21:49 |
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| kencjohnston | actually, let me not go there just yet | 21:49 |
| kencjohnston | second item, | 21:49 |
| kencjohnston | #link | 21:50 |
| kencjohnston | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281787/3 | 21:50 |
| kencjohnston | This review is to change our template to more align with the Cross Project Spec template | 21:50 |
| kencjohnston | I'd like to get core reviewer eyes on this asap as well | 21:50 |
| kencjohnston | now, for the brief update. :) | 21:50 |
| carolbarrett | shamail's irc connection died - asked me to say he'd +2 | 21:50 |
| leong | kencjohnston, should the rolling upgrade story be at link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274969/ | 21:51 |
| rockyg | so second link is same as first... | 21:51 |
| rockyg | thanks leong | 21:51 |
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| kencjohnston | At the mid-cycle we suggested our new process be to merge stories in the proposed repo, and then submit a specific patch to suggest they be submited as cross project specs | 21:51 |
| kencjohnston | leong +1, too many tabs open | 21:51 |
| kencjohnston | so folks watching the repo will see this user story merge | 21:52 |
| kencjohnston | then a commit that requests that we agree to submit it as a cross project spec | 21:52 |
| kencjohnston | and then finally a commit that adds a link to the cross project spec commit | 21:52 |
| kencjohnston | that's all i had. | 21:53 |
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| carolbarrett | kencjohnston: good summary - thanks. Will look at both | 21:53 |
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| carolbarrett | anyone have Qs for kencjohnston? | 21:53 |
| carolbarrett | Or any other Opens? | 21:53 |
| leong | i thought we need a section for "ready for submission to cross project spec"? | 21:53 |
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| leong | or is that just a commit message in the "patch"? | 21:54 |
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| carolbarrett | I think it's just a commit message, but need to verify that from the meeting notes | 21:55 |
| rockyg | I think it's a one liner in the template at/near the top, with either aa status or state and what the current state is. | 21:56 |
| rockyg | Defcore does stuff ike this. | 21:57 |
| kencjohnston | leong yeah I think I added some of that int he patch that covers the new template | 21:57 |
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| carolbarrett | Here's what I get from the notes: You create a tracker (with only the user story entry) and put a link to that in the User Story tracker field, then add this message | 21:57 |
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| kencjohnston | leong if I'm missing it please review and add comments. | 21:57 |
| leong | kencjohnston +1 | 21:57 |
| carolbarrett | Let's verify and update next week when we do the detailed work flow walk thru | 21:57 |
| carolbarrett | Anything else (2 mins to go...) | 21:58 |
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| carolbarrett | Ok - it's a wrap. Have a good week! | 21:58 |
| KrishR | bye | 21:58 |
| carolbarrett | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:58 | |
| kencjohnston | bye all | 21:58 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 22 21:58:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-02-22-21.01.html | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-02-22-21.01.txt | 21:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-02-22-21.01.log.html | 21:58 |
| rockyg | bye! | 21:59 |
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