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| dprince | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 23 14:00:58 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dprince. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| d0ugal | o/ | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:01 |
| jaosorior | o/ | 14:01 |
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| slagle | hi | 14:01 |
| dprince | anyone around for a tripleo meeting | 14:01 |
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| derekh | o/ | 14:01 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 14:01 |
| jtomasek | o/ | 14:01 |
| gfidente | o/ | 14:01 |
| jdob | o/ | 14:02 |
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| leanderthal | o/ | 14:03 |
| dprince | #topic agenda | 14:03 |
| dprince | * bugs | 14:03 |
| dprince | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:03 |
| dprince | * CI | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:03 | |
| dprince | * Specs | 14:03 |
| dprince | * Create stable branch of DIB to help phase out old ramdisk http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086738.html | 14:03 |
| dprince | * open discussion | 14:03 |
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| trown | o/ | 14:03 |
| dprince | There is one extra item above to discuss creating of a DIB branch. Any other topics to add for this week that I missed? | 14:04 |
| dprince | okay, lets go | 14:05 |
| dprince | #topic bugs | 14:05 |
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| dprince | I'm not actually sure there are bugs on all of these patches but it would be good to get eyes on the depends-on here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278553/ | 14:06 |
| dprince | as these are blocking us from testing current | 14:07 |
| trown | dprince: it is down to just 2 patches, 1 for undercloud and 1 for THT | 14:07 |
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| trown | and both derekh and I got a successful pingtest with those | 14:07 |
| dprince | trown: nice. So is the plan that once the tripleo-ci patch passes we land them all? | 14:08 |
| trown | dprince: that would be my hope ya | 14:08 |
| derekh | trown: we'll have to edit out part of the patch to tripleo.sh but ideally yes I think so | 14:09 |
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| dprince | okay, I've got one quick undercloud bug to (finally) get zaqar working: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283221/ | 14:10 |
| trown | derekh: right, we will need to use current-tripleo, but we can take the hash for it from what (hopefully) passes ci | 14:10 |
| * derekh points to the change to DELOREAN_REPO_URL | 14:10 | |
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| dprince | derekh: thanks | 14:11 |
| derekh | trown: yup, I also have a sleep 600 in there, I put that in yeterday wehn I noticed nodes we're ready but I may have just been crazy | 14:11 |
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| trown | derekh: ah cool, I have a slightly better scriptlet we could put there that checks nova hypervisor-stats | 14:11 |
| derekh | trown: dprince we can just remove the sleep and merge, if it causes problems put the sleep back in while we investigate | 14:12 |
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| slagle | derekh: was it that oc services weren't up after create_copmlete? | 14:12 |
| slagle | i've seen that in the ha job. i put in that 1 hack for crm_resource --wait in tripleo-ci | 14:12 |
| trown | slagle: no, before deploy, ironic nodes not available | 14:12 |
| slagle | oh ok | 14:13 |
| derekh | slagle: not sure, iirc on friday when I tried a deploy I had lods of 500's from services | 14:13 |
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| derekh | slagle: when I cam back on monday and tried overcloud deploy on the same undercloud it went ok | 14:13 |
| derekh | slagle: so I figured the weekend ebtween deploy/register and deploy helped somehow | 14:14 |
| derekh | anyways, if nobody else has seen it lets drop it and merge | 14:14 |
| derekh | if it causes a problem add a quick sleep in | 14:14 |
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| derekh | and figure it out | 14:14 |
| trown | +1 | 14:15 |
| dprince | okay, that sounds like a plan | 14:15 |
| slagle | k, wfm | 14:15 |
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| marios | o/ sorry also on a call | 14:15 |
| dprince | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:15 |
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| dprince | I'd actually like to mention the desire to create a stable branch for DIB here I think | 14:16 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 14:16 |
| dprince | dtantsur: want to drive this? | 14:16 |
| dprince | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086738.html | 14:16 |
| trown | I thought DIB was supposed to be backwards compatible? | 14:16 |
| dtantsur | please check the link, I'll give you tl;dr | 14:16 |
| dtantsur | we (ironic) want to drop support for the old bash ramdisk from out code | 14:17 |
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| dtantsur | if we do that, we won't be able to gate on DIB any more | 14:17 |
| derekh | its supposed to be, but has anybody tried build a F19 images latetly /me would be surprised if it worked | 14:17 |
| dtantsur | then we're losing DIB support for our stable branches as well | 14:17 |
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| dtantsur | (it can get broken at any moment) | 14:17 |
| dtantsur | the easiest way out for everyone is for DIB to get a stable/liberty branch (ideally, stable/mitaka would work too) | 14:18 |
| dtantsur | then we can just drop things from both our master and DIB itself, and live happily | 14:18 |
| trown | hmm... so a stable branch for a single element? | 14:18 |
| dtantsur | not sure what you mean by "for a single element"... | 14:18 |
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| dprince | trown: we already have stable branches for other projects. t-h-t | 14:18 |
| trown | the bash deploy ramdisk is a single element | 14:18 |
| dtantsur | yes, but branch is for project, not for element | 14:19 |
| dprince | trown: not a single element. All of DIB | 14:19 |
| dtantsur | also while I agree that DIB is supposed to be backward compatible, things do happen from time to time | 14:19 |
| trown | ya, but the rest of DIB does not need a stable branch, so we create it for that single element | 14:19 |
| slagle | dtantsur: why the jump from "if ironic drops bsah ramdisk support" -> "can't gate on dib" | 14:19 |
| dtantsur | slagle, DIB gate is running ironic master and will fail if we remove the code | 14:19 |
| slagle | what part of the DIB gate? where it uses the bash ramdisk? | 14:20 |
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| derekh | why can't we just stop maintaining it, like any other element not used in CI | 14:20 |
| dprince | dtantsur: if we update the DIB gate to use IPA would that solve it? | 14:20 |
| slagle | why dont we just update that to not use the bash ramdisk? | 14:20 |
| slagle | ^^ my question too | 14:20 |
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| dtantsur | slagle, gate-tempest-dsvm-ironic-pxe_ssh-dib | 14:20 |
| dtantsur | dprince, yes, but we'll lose coverage for this element, and our stable branches may get hurt | 14:21 |
| dtantsur | the old ramdisk was perfectly supported in Kilo and Liberty | 14:21 |
| trown | well, really just liberty... | 14:21 |
| dprince | dtantsur: so we create a stable/liberty as a buffer. No harm done | 14:21 |
| dprince | dtantsur: and then we update the CI job to use IPA anyways? | 14:22 |
| dtantsur | dprince, yep, then you feel free to do anything on master | 14:22 |
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| dtantsur | cause you won't affect our stable gates | 14:22 |
| dtantsur | so yes, we're removing the bash-based gate | 14:22 |
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| slagle | i disagree with changing the dib backwards compatibility expectation on account of this | 14:22 |
| dtantsur | then it's a good point that we should get an IPA-based gate | 14:23 |
| slagle | if we need to do something as a buffer to get us by, that's fine | 14:23 |
| trown | I am so confused... we remove the bash-based gate, why do we need the bash deploy element? | 14:23 |
| dprince | slagle: I don't think we are changing backwards compat. Support for this element is just being removed | 14:23 |
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| dtantsur | trown, we can remove it | 14:23 |
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| dtantsur | if we have stable branches for DIB, I mean | 14:23 |
| slagle | dprince: as long as this is clear. we're not free to do anything on master once/if the stable branch is there | 14:23 |
| dprince | dtantsur: another option if people seem to push back on this (for whatever reason). Just leave the (broken) code in DIB and add a comment to the readme | 14:23 |
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| slagle | infra relies heavily on dib, etc | 14:24 |
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| dtantsur | dprince, well... then someone can land a change breaking our stable gates, still relying on DIB and the old ramdisk.. | 14:24 |
| trown | dprince: I prefer that option | 14:24 |
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| trown | if we create a stable/liberty for DIB, then that means we get that branch for liberty delorean packages | 14:24 |
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| slagle | i really dont think we want that | 14:25 |
| dtantsur | probably | 14:25 |
| trown | which seems a bit not ideal, if it is just meant to save us from one unsupported element | 14:25 |
| dprince | dtantsur: I view creating a branch as a nice safe place for people to hang out while they update to IPA. Sounds like some people would prefer we not do that. So just add a comment to the readme and move on. | 14:25 |
| dtantsur | what comment? | 14:25 |
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| dprince | dtantsur: a comment to the DIB element for the old bash ramdisk | 14:26 |
| dtantsur | I'm sorry guys, I don't get how a comment will prevent people from breaking stable gates..... | 14:26 |
| dtantsur | especially somewhere in a base element | 14:26 |
| dprince | dtantsur: We'll just drop the gates | 14:26 |
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| dtantsur | dprince, how do you ensure you don't break ironic stable/liberty then? | 14:26 |
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| jroll | dropping the stable gates is equivalent to dropping old ramdisk support on liberty IMO | 14:26 |
| dprince | dtantsur: leave the gates on for those branches. Using DIB master since there is no branch | 14:27 |
| dtantsur | dprince, how do we prevent DIB for breaking us? | 14:27 |
| dtantsur | since DIB master will no longer be cogated with ironic at all | 14:27 |
| derekh | dtantsur: can't the stable job get run on DIB master ? | 14:27 |
| dprince | dtantsur: TO be clear creating a stable branch is the cleanest idea here. We created stable branches for everything else so what harm does it cause to do it for DIB too? | 14:27 |
| dtantsur | derekh, maybe? I'm not sure how much infra would hate us for mixing it.. also what about requirements? how do we merge them? | 14:28 |
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| dtantsur | dprince, are you asking me? :) I'm not against it, you probably want to ask slagle | 14:28 |
| trown | dprince: it means we freeze liberty DIB... unless we backport every DIB change | 14:28 |
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| dprince | trown: probably a good idea anyways | 14:28 |
| bnemec | DIB makes backward compatibility promises. If we break those, that's a bug that we should fix. | 14:28 |
| slagle | i'm against changing the expectation of the project being backwards compatible on account of this reason | 14:29 |
| slagle | a stable branch is also a lot of maintenance for $someone | 14:29 |
| bnemec | I don't think we should branch an entire project because we _might_ screw up our backwards compatibility promise. | 14:29 |
| dprince | This isn't a DIB backwards compat promise. It is a feature that is going away in the element | 14:29 |
| dtantsur | bnemec, that's what the whole openstack does | 14:29 |
| slagle | dtantsur: that's not true | 14:29 |
| slagle | some projects use stable branches, some do not | 14:29 |
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| slagle | earlier on, it was decided, with wide concensus that dib would not use a stable branch and be backwards compatible | 14:30 |
| dtantsur | a couple of telemetry projects do not iirc | 14:30 |
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| dtantsur | ok, the vast majority of openstack projects, including libraries and clients | 14:30 |
| dprince | THe problem here is DIB has code it can't control. I think the issue here is that some of these elements don't belong in DIB because they break the promise | 14:30 |
| dprince | This is just an element that is going away. | 14:31 |
| bnemec | If Ironic is that concerned about dib breaking their gate, put a cap on dib in the stable branches. | 14:31 |
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| jroll | bnemec: that will affect all of openstack, unfortunately | 14:31 |
| dprince | bnemec: Ironic wants to dump a feature that will break our gate | 14:31 |
| dtantsur | bnemec, that's an option, but it will 1. put a cup on DIB for all stable/liberty branches, including tripleo itself, 2. prevent anyone from landing DIB fixes in liberty | 14:31 |
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| dprince | ANytime someone tries to optimize something by not creating a branch it gets complicated I think. To me the simplest thing is just to create a stable/liberty branch and move on | 14:33 |
| slagle | having to land dib fixes in liberty is exactly what i want to avoid | 14:33 |
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| dtantsur | slagle, well, then if it gets broken (e.g. external mirror change), it's broken forever | 14:34 |
| dprince | slagle: I understand your desire to avoid this work. But I think it is the cleanest solution here | 14:34 |
| dtantsur | cause it will be capped for liberty release of all projects | 14:34 |
| bnemec | I mean, if we make a breaking change in dib's base elements, that's going to break Ironic's gate anyway because they're still running against master on master. | 14:35 |
| bnemec | And that's a bug we need to fix anyway. | 14:35 |
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| dtantsur | bnemec, we won't be gating DIB any more | 14:35 |
| dtantsur | so no, you won't | 14:35 |
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| trown | wait... if you wont be gating DIB... whats the big deal? | 14:36 |
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| slagle | ya, my head just 'sploded too | 14:36 |
| jroll | we still need to gate DIB on stable/liberty | 14:36 |
| dtantsur | trown, not on master | 14:36 |
| bnemec | Fine, but my point stands. _If_ we break the job, then it's a bug that should be fixed. | 14:36 |
| slagle | is that the end game here? | 14:36 |
| dtantsur | trown, slagle, bnemec was token on master | 14:36 |
| bnemec | That is _not_ reason to branch dib. | 14:37 |
| dtantsur | bnemec, sigh... but you won't have any jobs on master... so you will break us, and we'll come back reverting things in hope it will help, etc.. | 14:37 |
| trown | seems like the reverse is true for tripleo almost everywhere | 14:37 |
| dtantsur | what we do right now is reinventing the whole path that lead openstack to stable branches, to be honest | 14:37 |
| dprince | dtantsur: okay. Lack of consensus. But I don't think anything is blocked by not doing anything | 14:39 |
| lucasagomes | we still can gate on DIB on master, but using the ironic-agent element (instead of the deploy-ironic one) | 14:39 |
| slagle | dprince: that may be. i would like to understand if infra has a take on this as well though, given they are a heavy consumer as well | 14:39 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, that's not relevant to the discussion | 14:39 |
| bnemec | It is actually. | 14:39 |
| bnemec | It gives us test coverage of everything except the bash ramdisk element. | 14:40 |
| dtantsur | bnemec, no | 14:40 |
| dprince | dtantsur: yep, just use DIB master for the stable ironic/liberty branches. | 14:40 |
| dtantsur | dprince, that what we do, how does it solve the problem? | 14:40 |
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| dtantsur | bnemec, IPA is built in a completely different way. even using a different command | 14:41 |
| dtantsur | from DIB point of view, IPA is not a ramdisk, we build it as a disk image | 14:41 |
| bnemec | dtantsur: ramdisk-image-create is literally a symlink to disk-image-create. There's far less difference than you might think. | 14:41 |
| sambetts | if DIB master is meant to be backward compatible can't we leave the bash ramdisk in there and just remove the gate jobs from Ironic master/mitaka and the Ironic code that supports the old ramdisk, then just leave a comment in the old ramdisk README that says this is only supported up to Ironic liberty | 14:41 |
| dtantsur | bnemec, yeah, but base elements are different, at least used to be | 14:41 |
| trown | sambetts: ya, that would be my preference | 14:42 |
| dtantsur | sambetts, it is meant does not mean is always is. that's what gate guarantee | 14:42 |
| sambetts | ? | 14:43 |
| dtantsur | sambetts, if it's not tested, it's broken :) | 14:43 |
| dprince | dtantsur: sounds like we aren't even close to resolving this. Sorry. I thought this would be a simple thing :/ | 14:43 |
| sambetts | it tested in stable/liberty, just not in mater or stable/mitaka | 14:43 |
| dtantsur | yeah... | 14:43 |
| dprince | dtantsur: can you start another thread for TripleO regarding this topic | 14:43 |
| dtantsur | well... I can try, but looks like we need workarounds | 14:43 |
| dprince | dtantsur: explain the sides, creating the branch, extra work involved by some in maintinain that, etc. | 14:43 |
| dtantsur | anyway, thanks dprince for bringing it up | 14:44 |
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| dprince | dtantsur: np | 14:44 |
| dprince | #topic CI | 14:44 |
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| jroll | well, there's two clear paths: 1) make a branch, drop the support in ironic now, 2) don't make branch, drop ironic support in three cycles | 14:44 |
| jroll | lots of tradeoffs :) | 14:44 |
| dprince | derekh: CI is working right? :) | 14:44 |
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| sambetts | jroll: just because its in DIB doesn't mean that mitaka has to support it right? | 14:44 |
| derekh | dprince: yup, at the moment | 14:45 |
| jroll | sambetts: let's take this elsewhere, we're off topic now | 14:45 |
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| dprince | cool. | 14:45 |
| derekh | dprince: problems with a new mariadb package yesterday | 14:45 |
| dprince | jroll: yeah, lets just start another thread on this for now | 14:45 |
| dprince | derekh: which are solve now right? | 14:45 |
| gfidente | a little OT but about CI, I had a submission to rename the ceph into upgrades but it isn't landed yet, not sure if you guys want to vote on it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281997/1 | 14:45 |
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| trown | derekh: dprince, ya RDO will still want to move to mariadb10, so we need to figure out what all went wrong there and try to get fixes in place | 14:46 |
| dprince | gfidente: thanks, I will look | 14:46 |
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| dprince | gfidente: was that the right patch? | 14:46 |
| trown | there was at least one issue (missing clustercheck binary) that was the packaging fault, but even after adjusting for that I could not get our galera to bootstrap with the new package | 14:46 |
| gfidente | there is this guys as well https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260466/ which potentially runs upgrades in the upgrade job | 14:46 |
| dprince | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1547660 | 14:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1547660 in tripleo "Could not find command '/usr/bin/clustercheck'" [Critical,Triaged] | 14:47 |
| dprince | trown: ^^? | 14:47 |
| gfidente | dprince, https://review.openstack.org/277419 | 14:47 |
| trown | ya, that one is packaging fault | 14:47 |
| dprince | gfidente: thanks, that is it | 14:47 |
| trown | dprince: so we reverted the package from the deps repo in RDO | 14:47 |
| gfidente | #link tripleo ceph rename into upgrade https://review.openstack.org/277419 | 14:48 |
| gfidente | #link trigger upgrades in ci https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260466/ | 14:48 |
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| dprince | okay lets move on | 14:49 |
| dprince | #topic specs | 14:49 |
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| derekh | gfidente: thanks for the reminder, will look again | 14:49 |
| dprince | getting mostly positive feedback on the Mistral spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280407/ | 14:50 |
| dprince | rbrady: anything you'd like to add here? | 14:50 |
| rbrady | dprince: nope. I was giving it a day or so for feedback and then going to update | 14:51 |
| dprince | rbrady: cool, sounds good | 14:51 |
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| dprince | Any other issues on specs this week? | 14:52 |
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| dprince | #topic open discussion | 14:53 |
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| bnemec | Missed this in the CI topic, but I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282462/ would help our HA job stability a bunch. | 14:54 |
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| gfidente | thanks bnemec ! | 14:54 |
| bnemec | Probably half or more of the failures I'm seeing are the nohostfound due to swift getting OOM'd. | 14:54 |
| trown | I will be demoing tripleo-quickstart 2 weeks from tomorrow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O8KvC66eeU | 14:54 |
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| marios | i'd like to hightlight this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1539541 which is a problem for upgrades at the moment | 14:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1539541 in heat "Can't ignore updates to OS::Nova::Server" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Steve Baker (steve-stevebaker) | 14:55 |
| bnemec | Need to talk to derekh about whether we can increase the size of the undercloud again. | 14:55 |
| gfidente | hey guys I wanted to raise a question as well, I was thinking to use something like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270189/ to switch the networking configuration on using hostnames instead of ips | 14:55 |
| gfidente | on the basis that this should help with cleaner ipv6 support | 14:56 |
| dprince | bnemec: +2 | 14:56 |
| gfidente | do you think that is doable and is worth? | 14:56 |
| marios | gfidente: thanks will take a look. time is the main concern before i even look at the change | 14:56 |
| dprince | trown: did you see my comment about distro support for tripleo-quickstart? | 14:56 |
| marios | gfidente: but ultimately would help solve all of the '[]' issues with ipv6 | 14:57 |
| trown | dprince: yep, it supports everything that instack-virt-setup does | 14:57 |
| bnemec | gfidente: No idea whether it's doable, but it seems like a good idea. | 14:57 |
| gfidente | marios, exactly, my main point is that by using names we don't need the conditionals for cope with [] and : in the ip addresses | 14:57 |
| gfidente | bnemec, marios but it'll need some review time :) | 14:57 |
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| marios | bnemec: its a trap! | 14:57 |
| gfidente | I know bnemec -1 my submissions all the times so that's good | 14:57 |
| gfidente | marios volunteers too? ;) | 14:57 |
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| trown | dprince: or python-tripleoclient for that matter | 14:58 |
| derekh | bnemec: ack, we can probably bump it again another 1G if needed | 14:58 |
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| dprince | trown: that may be. but I think it gets us farther from multi-distro support because some of the scripts in the incubator (used by instack-virt-setup) did in fact support multiple distributions | 14:58 |
| bnemec | derekh: I think we do, although the extra swap usage doesn't seem to have slowed the job down any. It still finished in the same time as the ceph job. | 14:59 |
| trown | dprince: I think ansible is better at supporting multi-distro than random bash scripts though | 14:59 |
| dprince | trown: that was my real question. Does it get us in a better place... | 14:59 |
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| trown | dprince: for example, tripleo-quickstart uses the generic 'package' module instead of 'yum' | 14:59 |
| derekh | bnemec: ok, lets merge that and see how it goes, if speed isn't affected then maybe its enough | 15:00 |
| trown | that said, I have not tried it at all on anything except fedora and centos | 15:00 |
| dprince | trown: cool, I might like to see package name abstractions. I know when I came to TripleO I was really discouraged to see everything hard coded to Debian package names | 15:00 |
| dprince | trown: now the opposite is true in some cases. Hard coded to RH | 15:00 |
| bnemec | derekh: Just pulled the trigger. | 15:00 |
| dprince | oops. out of time | 15:00 |
| dprince | Thanks everyone. Sorry about the quick cuttoff | 15:00 |
| derekh | bnemec: ack | 15:01 |
| dprince | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| derekh | ttyl | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 23 15:01:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-02-23-14.00.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-02-23-14.00.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-02-23-14.00.log.html | 15:01 |
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| matrohon | hi bgpvpners | 15:02 |
| matrohon | enikher, tmorin hi | 15:03 |
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| matrohon | start-meeting bgpvpn | 15:04 |
| matrohon | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 23 15:04:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matrohon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:04 |
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| matrohon | waitin few minutes to let people join | 15:05 |
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| tmorin | hi everyone | 15:06 |
| pcarver | hello | 15:06 |
| tmorin | hi doude, enikher, matrohon, timirnich, pcarver | 15:06 |
| matrohon | hi tmorin | 15:06 |
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| tmorin | what is on the agenda today ? | 15:07 |
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| tmorin | off the top of my head: heat, tempest in the CI, bagpipe driver agent evolution | 15:07 |
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| matrohon | not much : any annoucement anyone? | 15:07 |
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| tmorin | we can mention the ongoing work by michael chapman on APEX packaging | 15:08 |
| tmorin | let's talk about heat ? | 15:09 |
| matrohon | yep, a rpm from redhat for net-bgpvpn | 15:09 |
| matrohon | tmorin | 15:09 |
| matrohon | tmorin fine | 15:09 |
| matrohon | #topic heat | 15:09 |
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| enikher | :-) | 15:10 |
| tmorin | the status is that enikher's patch is ready | 15:10 |
| matrohon | enikher : I've slightly modified your patch | 15:10 |
| tmorin | thank you very much again for this contribution | 15:10 |
| tmorin | we'll try to test it ASAP and, very likely, merge it | 15:10 |
| matrohon | matrohon, I plan to test it and merge it asap | 15:10 |
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| matrohon | I think I'll change the doc too to mention that one need the admin right to launch the HOT file mentionned | 15:11 |
| enikher | ok thank you very much. Sorry for not been more respensive the last days | 15:11 |
| enikher | matrohon: yes that is a good idea | 15:12 |
| matrohon | enikher, can you confirm my previous statement? | 15:12 |
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| matrohon | enikher, ok fine | 15:12 |
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| matrohon | let's move on | 15:12 |
| enikher | matrohon: may be to mention, only setting up the bgpvpn resource need admin rights | 15:12 |
| enikher | matrohon: the assoc do not need that | 15:13 |
| matrohon | enikher, agreed | 15:13 |
| matrohon | I'll do that | 15:13 |
| enikher | ok thanks very much | 15:13 |
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| enikher | I am very buisy with the opnfv release so I don't have time sorry | 15:13 |
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| matrohon | enikher, np, I'll handle it | 15:13 |
| enikher | but did the change in the config file worked actually? | 15:13 |
| enikher | what was the problem there? | 15:14 |
| matrohon | enikher, there was a missig param in the devstack plugin | 15:14 |
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| matrohon | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280214/9..10/devstack/plugin.sh | 15:14 |
| matrohon | the DEFAULT was needed to specify the section in the heat.conf file | 15:15 |
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| matrohon | at least that what my config needed | 15:15 |
| enikher | mhhh I think the real problem was config to conf or? | 15:16 |
| enikher | it will always take the default section | 15:16 |
| enikher | but the enviroment var changed | 15:16 |
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| enikher | As said I tested on kilo the last time | 15:17 |
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| enikher | sorry for that | 15:17 |
| matrohon | enikher, actually I don't remember what was the real issue between the two | 15:17 |
| enikher | :-) | 15:17 |
| matrohon | #topic CI | 15:18 |
| enikher | but it is working now that is good | 15:18 |
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| enikher | we just have to have that in mind when backporting to liberty,kilo,juno | 15:18 |
| matrohon | now that we have a heat plugin and a tempest plugin (thanks to enikher :) we will activate them in the gate | 15:19 |
| tmorin | it is very good to progress that : +1 | 15:19 |
| matrohon | I think we wil first modify the experimental jobs | 15:19 |
| matrohon | and then move those jobs to the check queue | 15:19 |
| matrohon | it they are stable enough | 15:20 |
| enikher | I am not sure how much time I have to work on the jobs, but you will receive some tempest cases from me soon | 15:20 |
| enikher | I have the will to add e2e test cases | 15:20 |
| enikher | lets see how achievable that is | 15:20 |
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| enikher | matrohon: +1 | 15:20 |
| matrohon | enikher, great! it would be very nice! | 15:20 |
| enikher | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258522/ | 15:21 |
| enikher | this is a start already, but I was not able to continue that... | 15:21 |
| matrohon | enikher, thanks I'll look at it! | 15:22 |
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| enikher | you can continue or remove it and start with a new job | 15:22 |
| enikher | as you like :-0) | 15:22 |
| matrohon | enikher, ok I'll see | 15:23 |
| matrohon | having a end to end coverage would need multinode devstack tests | 15:23 |
| matrohon | two devstack that peers which each others | 15:23 |
| enikher | yes, that is something we cannot do I think | 15:24 |
| enikher | but we can show that bgpvpn is working inside one node in devstack | 15:25 |
| matrohon | another option would be to use the looking glass API of bagpipe to check that the route is correctly announced with bgp | 15:25 |
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| enikher | mhhh, I would not like to make it backend specific | 15:25 |
| matrohon | enikher, how would you show that in a backend agnostic way? | 15:26 |
| enikher | The real e2e test would be done in opnfv deployments | 15:26 |
| tmorin | one thing that will still miss to put an e2e test case in the gate is having all bagpipe components deployable in the gate | 15:26 |
| matrohon | tmorin, you're talking about ovs 2.4? | 15:26 |
| enikher | in opnfv bagpipe is as well not jet enabled. | 15:26 |
| tmorin | that would also be needed | 15:26 |
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| enikher | :-) | 15:26 |
| tmorin | but I'm thinking about bagpipe-bgp first | 15:27 |
| tmorin | networking-bagpipe need bagpipe-bgp | 15:27 |
| enikher | yes a lot of work to be done | 15:27 |
| matrohon | tmorin, oh of course! we need bagpipe-bgp in pypi :) | 15:27 |
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| tmorin | and bagpipe-bgp is still on github and my understanding is that "git clone" in DSVM CI jobs is restricted to openstack repos | 15:27 |
| enikher | ok, sorry for bringing e2e in the picture, I meand just on one or 2 hosts | 15:27 |
| tmorin | my plan has been to put bagpipe-bgp inside networking-bagpipe | 15:28 |
| enikher | but not for opnfv :-) | 15:28 |
| matrohon | tmorin, +1 | 15:28 |
| tmorin | there are other good reasons to do this | 15:28 |
| tmorin | but it only move the problem, let me explain | 15:28 |
| tmorin | bagpipe initially came with its own fork of exabgp (and it still is the case in the master branch) | 15:29 |
| tmorin | bagpipe-bgp has an "use_upstream_exabgp" branch also | 15:29 |
| tmorin | this is the branch that we now focus on, and it does not have this fork | 15:29 |
| tmorin | but it depends on a non-yet-pypi-released version of exabgp | 15:29 |
| tmorin | and thus depends on github's repo exabgp | 15:29 |
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| matrohon | tmorin, are you aware of exabgp's roadmap? | 15:30 |
| tmorin | I'm currently trying to find time to see if using git submodules could help workaround the impossibility to clone a non-openstack git repo | 15:30 |
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| tmorin | matrohon: plans to release what bagpipe-bgp needs were still unclear last time I checked, it seems to depend on the time tmangin can find on a best effort basis | 15:31 |
| tmorin | but sometimes he finds the time | 15:31 |
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| tmorin | I need to ask him again | 15:31 |
| matrohon | ok | 15:32 |
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| matrohon | #topic opnfv | 15:32 |
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| matrohon | we just talked about opnfv, what are the news from the sdnvpn project? | 15:33 |
| enikher | we are pushing hard to get last fixes into the BE release | 15:33 |
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| enikher | bgpvpn with odl is included but guggy at the moment | 15:33 |
| matrohon | enikher, I understood that you were planning to use bagpipe? It's not accurate anymore? | 15:34 |
| tmorin | "guggy" ? is it something worse than buggy ? :-D | 15:34 |
| matrohon | :)) | 15:34 |
| enikher | one sec | 15:34 |
| enikher | tmorin: yes it is more then buggy... | 15:35 |
| enikher | :-D | 15:35 |
| tmorin | :) | 15:35 |
| enikher | bagpipe is still on the agenda | 15:35 |
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| enikher | but we have to get odl first running | 15:35 |
| enikher | cause there are already issues with that | 15:35 |
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| enikher | it would be very nice to show 2 backends | 15:36 |
| matrohon | enikher, +1 | 15:36 |
| enikher | lets see if that happens at some time :-) | 15:36 |
| matrohon | doude, enikher, well contrail is also an option | 15:36 |
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| matrohon | nobody from contrail is acive on sdnvpn? | 15:36 |
| enikher | I don't know. I think there is as well contrail, but I was not in concat with them. | 15:37 |
| enikher | do you think that would be easier to make happen | 15:37 |
| matrohon | enikher, I don't know, doude is the one who can tell I think | 15:38 |
| enikher | doude: are you there? | 15:39 |
| matrohon | enikher, I didn't get in touch with him since a while, I think he's very buzzy currently! | 15:40 |
| enikher | :-) | 15:40 |
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| enikher | ok | 15:40 |
| matrohon | let's move on | 15:40 |
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| matrohon | #topic bagpipe | 15:40 |
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| matrohon | this was to talk about ovs agent ongoing modifications | 15:40 |
| matrohon | #link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281358/ | 15:41 |
| matrohon | tmorin, the floor is yours | 15:41 |
| tmorin | ok | 15:42 |
| tmorin | the neutron-side patch is landing | 15:42 |
| tmorin | I'm finishing the bgpvpn/bagpipe patch | 15:43 |
| tmorin | things look ok | 15:43 |
| matrohon | there are good chances to have it for mitaka? | 15:43 |
| tmorin | we should soon be able to run the same openvswitch agent binary with "extensions=bagpipe_bgpvpn" in the agent config | 15:43 |
| tmorin | yes | 15:43 |
| matrohon | tmorin, great! | 15:43 |
| tmorin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267591/ | 15:44 |
| tmorin | the neutron change already has ihrachys's +2 blessing | 15:44 |
| tmorin | the corresponding devref has good progress as well | 15:45 |
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| matrohon | tmorin, you mean the spec file? | 15:46 |
| tmorin | yes | 15:46 |
| tmorin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263819/ | 15:46 |
| tmorin | spec is written by ihrachys | 15:46 |
| matrohon | ok | 15:47 |
| matrohon | I wanted to talk a little bit about news from neutron stadium | 15:47 |
| matrohon | #topic stadium | 15:47 |
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| pcarver | this should be fun | 15:47 |
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| tmorin | good topic | 15:48 |
| matrohon | there has been a thread initiated by armax that is saying that the neutron team can't vouch for every stadium project anymore | 15:48 |
| tmorin | there is a corresponding proposal in gerrit as well: | 15:48 |
| matrohon | a corresponding review is ongoing | 15:48 |
| matrohon | tmorin, do you have the link? | 15:49 |
| tmorin | #link https://review.openstack.org/275888 | 15:49 |
| tmorin | yes :) | 15:49 |
| tmorin | the change consist in adding a criteria that the team of any stadium project should have a good overlap with the Neutron team | 15:50 |
| matrohon | it just merged! | 15:50 |
| pcarver | The question seems to be whether it matters at all if a particular project is "part of Neutron" or not | 15:50 |
| matrohon | pcarver +1 | 15:51 |
| matrohon | it's a matter of communication | 15:51 |
| pcarver | If it's not "part of Neutron" it can still be part of OpenStack and it can still do whatever functions it does | 15:51 |
| tmorin | pcarver: I agree | 15:51 |
| matrohon | pcarver, I don't know what is going to happen for bgpvpn yet | 15:51 |
| tmorin | but the interface with Neutron will matter as well | 15:51 |
| tmorin | the most likely is that networking-bgpvpn won't be in the neutron stadium | 15:52 |
| pcarver | but what I am struggling with is does it make sense to have networking APIs provided by projects that are not "part of Neutron" | 15:52 |
| tmorin | I don't think we have any contributor that "qualifies" | 15:52 |
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| tmorin | pcarver: yes... | 15:52 |
| matrohon | if we get out from the stadium, do we have to candidate to the big tent | 15:52 |
| pcarver | I guess if everyone agrees that NEutron only provides a subset of OpenStack networking APIs then it's fine | 15:52 |
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| tmorin | practically speaking, I don't have found any drawback yet to this future situation | 15:53 |
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| matrohon | tmorin, well the big tent might not accpt us | 15:53 |
| pcarver | but if people think that only networking APIs that are "part of Neutron" are "official" OpenStack networking APIs then that's a problem | 15:53 |
| tmorin | matrohon: the stadium is in the big tent, we don't have to candidate to the big tent, we are aleady in it | 15:54 |
| matrohon | pcarver, +1 | 15:54 |
| tmorin | at least, this is my understanding | 15:54 |
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| matrohon | tmorin, yes but if you are not part of the stadium anymore wher do you land? | 15:54 |
| tmorin | pcarver: that would be a problem, and the future will tell if we have to face such a question or not | 15:54 |
| tmorin | matrohon: like any other big tent project I think: standalone project with its own PTL etc. | 15:55 |
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| matrohon | tmorin, actually it seems TC struggle at accepting more big tent projects | 15:55 |
| pcarver | It makes sense to me that BagPipe can be "not part of Neutron", after all, Open vSwitch isn't part of Neutron either. But the BGPVPN API should definitely be an "official" OpenStack API and it seems odd for a networking API to not be part of Neutron | 15:55 |
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| matrohon | pcarver : totally agree | 15:56 |
| tmorin | pcarver: I don't disagree with you, but then should networking-ovn or networking-odl be "part of Neutron" ? | 15:57 |
| tmorin | pcarver: the new criteria is not based on technical consideration, but people overlap | 15:57 |
| pcarver | tmorin: I think they should not, if other's like Midonet are not | 15:57 |
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| pcarver | I think the overlap criteria begs the question | 15:58 |
| tmorin | pcarver: yes, I haven't looked closely at how team overlap, but OVN under this criteria might possibly be fall in the Neutron stadium | 15:58 |
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| pcarver | If something is a part of Neutron then the developers are Neutron developers | 15:58 |
| pcarver | So for the overlap criteria to apply you have to first define what is and is not Neutron in order to determine which developer count towards determining overlap | 15:59 |
| tmorin | pcarver: but, no necessarily "Neutron developers" as in "contributing to the core of Neutron" | 15:59 |
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| pcarver | tmorin: yes, but that first requires making the cut on what's core and what isn't core | 15:59 |
| tmorin | pcarver: maybe all this is not an interesting question to focus on, I'm not particularly worried, we can choose to wait and see what problem arise eventually | 15:59 |
| pcarver | Why for example is ML2 VXLAN driver core but MPLS BGPVPN driver "not core"? | 15:59 |
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| pcarver | history mostly I think | 16:00 |
| tmorin | pcarver: the question is possibly hard to cut for new APIs | 16:00 |
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| tmorin | pcarver: for ML2 this is easy for historical and technical reasons, L2 has always been the core networking need for IaaS | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | wrapping up now? | 16:01 |
| matrohon | ok, we have to move | 16:01 |
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| tmorin | yes, we have to | 16:01 |
| tmorin | thanks everyone | 16:01 |
| matrohon | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 23 16:01:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-02-23-15.04.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-02-23-15.04.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-02-23-15.04.log.html | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 23 16:01:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-02-23_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:01 |
| coreyob | o/ | 16:01 |
| muralia1 | murali allada | 16:01 |
| juggler | Perry Rivera o/ | 16:01 |
| thomasem | Thomas Maddox | 16:01 |
| Tango | Ton Ngo | 16:01 |
| strigazi | o/ | 16:02 |
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| rpothier | o/ | 16:02 |
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| dimtruck | o/ | 16:02 |
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| sew1 | o/ | 16:02 |
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| dane_leblanc | o/ | 16:02 |
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| eghobo | o/ | 16:03 |
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| madhuri | o/ | 16:03 |
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| Kennan | o/ | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | hello coreyb muralia1 juggler thomasem Tango strigazi rpothier dimtruck sew1 dane_leblanc eghobo madhuri Kennan | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | let's begin | 16:04 |
| wanghua | o/ | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:05 | |
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| adrian_otto | 1) Introducing Spyridon Trigazis from CERN who has joined us as a full time contributor. | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | strigazi: would you like to say a few words? | 16:05 |
| strigazi | Hello all, | 16:06 |
| Kennan | Glad to know you strigazi: | 16:06 |
| muralia1 | welcome. | 16:06 |
| madhuri | welcome strigazi | 16:06 |
| strigazi | I'm Spyros Trigazis and I'm a fellow at Cern in the resource provisioning team | 16:06 |
| strigazi | I'll mostly work on Magnum upstream | 16:06 |
| strigazi | Some bio notes: | 16:07 |
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| juggler | hello strigazi! we're glad you're here. | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | strigazi: we are really happy to have you as part of the team, and we look forward to working with you. | 16:07 |
| strigazi | Bsc and Msc in CS on Information Sysystem from www.csd.auth.gr | 16:07 |
| strigazi | Information Systems | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | please let us know if there is anything we can do to help you | 16:08 |
| strigazi | I have previously contributed in www.ganeti.org | 16:08 |
| strigazi | I stared to feel comfortable with Devstack | 16:08 |
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| strigazi | And I'm currently work on adding docker storage drivers in baymodel | 16:09 |
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| hongbin | o/ | 16:09 |
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| strigazi | I'll send tomorrow a WIP patch | 16:09 |
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| adrian_otto | Thanks strigazi. We look forward to that! | 16:09 |
| Tango | Welcome strigazi ! | 16:09 |
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| suro-patz | o/ | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | 2) We had a very productive midcycle meetup at HPE in Sunnyvale last week. I will be putting together a summary of the outcomes there to share with the team. | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | the largest of which has to do with our decision to handle COE specific code in drivers. | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | so we will be planning some refactoring work to make that possible. | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | That concludes our prepared announcements. Are there announcements from team members today? | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | ok, let's continue | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:12 | |
| adrian_otto | 1) hongbin create a BP for creating an installation guide | 16:12 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-installation-guide | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin, do we have a link to this we can share? | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | thanks!! | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | Status: COMPLETE | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint Review | 16:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprint Review (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:13 | |
| adrian_otto | Essential Blueprint Review | 16:13 |
| Kennan | hi adrian_otto | 16:14 |
| Kennan | there is another review item | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-troubleshooting-guide (Tango) | 16:14 |
| Tango | We have 2 patches under review | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/user-guide (Tango) | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | I noticed further progress on those BPs | 16:15 |
| Kennan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275034/ | 16:15 |
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| Tango | we still have 11 sections that needs to start from scratch with no author assigned for the troubleshooting guide | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | Kennan: I'd be happy to address that one in just a moment. | 16:16 |
| Tango | For the user guide, I am writing the section on image management | 16:16 |
| Tango | will be coordinating with the new COE driver refactoring | 16:16 |
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| Tango | I am using the discussion from the midcycle to write about image | 16:17 |
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| Tango | For the user guide, there are 6 sections that need to start from scratch with no author assigned | 16:18 |
| Tango | 8 sections are done, have existing doc, author assigned, or in progress | 16:18 |
| Tango | So overall, we are about half way on both the user guide and troubleshooting guide | 16:18 |
| Tango | That's all I have | 16:19 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, what's the best way to get contributors to adopt each of the remaining sections? | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | perhaps pull them into an etherpad during today's meeting? | 16:19 |
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| Tango | The BP's have a list of section as TODO | 16:20 |
| Tango | Anyone can pick up any section | 16:20 |
| Tango | just put your name on the TODO | 16:20 |
| dimtruck | Tango: so just a PR with your name there or in the blueprint? | 16:21 |
| dimtruck | ugh, never mind | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so that's at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/user-guide and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-troubleshooting-guide | 16:21 |
| dimtruck | you just said "BP's have a list..." | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | it would be great if we could each find one to help with | 16:21 |
| Tango | At the bottom of the BP, there is a list of work items, some of them are in TODO state | 16:21 |
| dimtruck | Tango: yup, sorry about that. understood | 16:22 |
| Tango | So if you know about a topic, please feel free to pick it up | 16:22 |
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| adrian_otto | Blueprints, Bugs, Specs, and other work items to be discussed as a team | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | back the Kennan | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | … (getting the link) | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275034/ | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | so this one one I placed a -2 vote on a while back because it disabled selinux | 16:24 |
| Kennan | hi adrian_otto: I have added comments for you concern. In short | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, I'm happy to revisit this because there are new patchsets. | 16:25 |
| Kennan | volume driver is optional fearure, 1) we add todo to track that in upstream (docker) side in issue | 16:26 |
| Kennan | 2) if user not enable such volume driver | 16:26 |
| Kennan | selinux is still enabled | 16:26 |
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| Kennan | so not impact any components | 16:26 |
| Kennan | docker is still working on that | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | can't we implemnet the storage driver in a way that allows selinux to remain enabled? | 16:26 |
| Kennan | and we are working with them | 16:26 |
| coreyob | I generally don't like the idea of having insecure features in magnum. I think we shoudl wait until it works securely before implementing it | 16:27 |
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| Kennan | right now, volume driver plugin can not work because of docker issue | 16:27 |
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| Kennan | it is not means magnum like to be insecure | 16:27 |
| Kennan | but as experimental feature | 16:27 |
| coreyob | but disabling selinux makes magnum less secure | 16:27 |
| Kennan | it is OK for such volume dirver | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | you are telling me that docker has a feature that requires selinux to be disabled in order to use it? | 16:28 |
| Kennan | no coreyob: | 16:28 |
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| Kennan | let me give you link | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | I doubt it. I think this is rather a matter that requires a new selinux policy to be created | 16:28 |
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| Kennan | https://github.com/docker/docker/issues/18005 | 16:28 |
| Kennan | it is known issue | 16:28 |
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| coreyob | specifically with the rexray driver right? | 16:29 |
| Kennan | coreyob, experimental feature not means perfect. as we are working with docker, but it not means becasue docker issue, we can not experimental volume feature in swarm | 16:29 |
| coreyob | so can we implement the feature in magnum with something other than rexray? | 16:29 |
| Kennan | no coreyob | 16:29 |
| coreyob | right, I'm advocating that we don't have experimental features in magnum that reduce the overall security of the system | 16:30 |
| coreyob | i like adrian_otto's idea of having a custom selinux policy that allows rexray to function without compromising the rest of the bay (if that is possible) | 16:30 |
| Kennan | coreyob: I did not think right now it is all production ready for magnum | 16:30 |
| coreyob | we're trying really hard to make magnum production ready | 16:31 |
| Kennan | yes coreyob: as we know, even docker itself can be say secure, like user namespace just enabled in 1.10.0 | 16:31 |
| Kennan | so all is progress | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I'm willing to review the individual docker bug, but if there is a fundamental security problem in a docker feature, it needs to be solved there. | 16:32 |
| Kennan | yes adrian_otto | 16:32 |
| Kennan | we are pushing docker | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | I'm not comfortable poking a huge security hole in Magnum to add a buggy feature. | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | I hear your argument that the feature is optional. | 16:32 |
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| adrian_otto | but I'm not fully persuaded | 16:33 |
| Kennan | adrian_otto: I understood that. you know, if user not like to use volume feaure management in COE | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | my preference is to wait until this is settled upstream | 16:33 |
| Kennan | he not need to use volume_driver | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | then integrate it. | 16:33 |
| Kennan | so volume_driver is optional feature. | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | or to come up with another workaround that allows selinux to remain enabled | 16:33 |
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| Kennan | right now, because docker side issue, seems volume plugin can not work if enable selinux | 16:34 |
| hongbin | Kennan: the issue is on Atomic only or not? | 16:34 |
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| hongbin | Kennan: If not, you could use the CoreOS template | 16:34 |
| Kennan | I tried on Atomic, it exist | 16:34 |
| Kennan | not sure other OS | 16:34 |
| hongbin | Kennan: maybe you can try CoreOS | 16:35 |
| Tango | Maybe we can do some more investigation | 16:35 |
| hongbin | Kennan: you can merge the feature back to Atomic later | 16:35 |
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| Kennan | sure hongbin: but that would means a new work on that templates. Anyway, I will work with docker upstream and at same time check coreos | 16:36 |
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| Kennan | seems coreos have just raw implemented | 16:36 |
| Kennan | TLS seems not ready | 16:36 |
| Kennan | so still it is not secure :0 | 16:36 |
| hongbin | It will be soon. The TLS patch is up for review | 16:37 |
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| hongbin | Kennan: Alternatively, you could try the feature in other COE first | 16:37 |
| Kennan | ok hongbin: two ways for me 1) still track upstream docker 2) check coreos | 16:37 |
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| hongbin | Kennan: sure | 16:38 |
| Kennan | I will push related docker commmunity to solve that general issue | 16:38 |
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| adrian_otto | Kennan, as soon as we can add the feature in Magnum without disabling selinux, I will be happy to remove my -2 vote. | 16:39 |
| Kennan | adrian_otto: I will track that. aslo I learnt Atomic 23 is working in progress | 16:39 |
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| Kennan | I need to check if that new images ok for that | 16:39 |
| Kennan | seems that work in still in review | 16:40 |
| coreyob | yeah i keep running into gate issues so I haven't been able to get it though | 16:40 |
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| adrian_otto | hongbin: I saw your email yesterday about the recent Heat commit you called out | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | was there any confirmation that Hat was the source of the gate trouble, or was that ruled out? | 16:43 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: Yes, they seems to confirm that, and proposed a revert | 16:43 |
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| hongbin | adrian_otto: Unfortunely, the reverted patch is not merged yet, since the Heat gate is also broken | 16:43 |
| Kennan | hongbin: ceilometer working on that, so heat would soon ready for ceilometer issue | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | what's wrong with the Heat gate? | 16:44 |
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| adrian_otto | is it related to the same issue, or something different? | 16:45 |
| coreyob | different | 16:45 |
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| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283297/ | 16:45 |
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| coreyob | we may run into #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1548634 after heat is working too | 16:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1548634 in Aodh ""openstack role add" command failure in devstack installation" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Liusheng (liusheng) | 16:47 |
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| Kennan | coreyob: ceilometer had work-around for that. | 16:48 |
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| coreyob | yep | 16:48 |
| suro-patz | as part of the open discussion - my sincere request to the team to draw conclusion for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275003/ , https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267134/ | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | ok, any other work items for team discussion before we proceed to open discussion? | 16:49 |
| suro-patz | adrian_otto: ^^ | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | thanks suro-patz | 16:49 |
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| strigazi | there is the bp I'm working on | 16:50 |
| strigazi | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/support-for-different-docker-storage-driver | 16:50 |
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| strigazi | It says that we must have: 1) A user seeking this, and 2) A developer willing to add it | 16:51 |
| vilobhmm11 | adrain_otto : regarding the quota work ; would be great if i can get some help from the team just for next month or so | 16:51 |
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| vilobhmm11 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259201/10 | 16:52 |
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| vilobhmm11 | i was planning to submit the controller logic changes so need help specifically there | 16:52 |
| vilobhmm11 | adrian_otto : ^^ | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | ok, suro-patz we can vote on those spec patches to allow that to move forward | 16:53 |
| suro-patz | thanks adrian_otto | 16:53 |
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| suro-patz | adrian_otto: additionally I will register a BP/spec for the asynchronous mode of operation for bay updates | 16:54 |
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| adrian_otto | vilobhmm11: thanks for the callout on that. To be clear you have some downstream work you will be focused on for a month, so you are seeking team assistance to continue your upstream work in the mean time. | 16:55 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Open Dicsuccion | 16:55 |
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| vilobhmm11 | adrian_otto : thats correct | 16:55 |
| vilobhmm11 | and thats only for a month or so | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:55 |
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| adrian_otto | vilobhmm11: understood | 16:56 |
| vilobhmm11 | adrian_otto: thanks! | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | if anyone is interested in working on quotas, please let vilobhmm11 or me know. Otherwise, I can ask around and see what's possible. | 16:57 |
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| strigazi | adrian_otto: is it ok to proceed with the bp that I mentioned? | 16:57 |
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| adrian_otto | strigazi: you are welcome to pick up any approved blueprint. We have some really critical work that came from the midcycle that I'd like you to consider as well. | 16:58 |
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| strigazi | adrian_otto: ok | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | I'll get my write-up done to convey the decisions, and how those impact our next steps, and where we will need to focus attention to succeed with them. | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | Our next team meeting is 2016-03-01 at 1600 UTC. | 17:00 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks everyone for attending today. I look forward to seeing you next week. | 17:00 |
| juggler | thanks for presiding, and thanks all | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 23 17:00:22 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-02-23-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-02-23-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-02-23-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| sergmelikyan | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 23 17:00:55 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sergmelikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
| sergmelikyan | o/ | 17:01 |
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| slagun | o/ | 17:01 |
| enthurohini | o/ | 17:01 |
| tlashchova_ | o/ | 17:01 |
| sergmelikyan | Hi folks :) | 17:01 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | \o | 17:02 |
| DmytroDovbii | o/ | 17:02 |
| freerunner | o/ | 17:02 |
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| sergmelikyan | left hand hi vs right hand hi :D | 17:03 |
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| sergmelikyan | #topic Action Items Review | 17:06 |
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| sergmelikyan | #1 kzaitsev_mb ask kolla folks about murano-glare plugin situation | 17:06 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | yep | 17:07 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | so current situation is very uncomfortable for packaging folks | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | both kolla and regular ones | 17:07 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | the best option packaging-wise would be to move the plugin to a separate repo | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | 2d best approach would be to move all the plugins to the repository the plug into | 17:08 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Sort of like searchlight does | 17:08 |
| sergmelikyan | didn't get second approach | 17:08 |
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| sergmelikyan | you mean gather all plugins in the one repo> | 17:09 |
| sergmelikyan | ? | 17:09 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | if glare plugin for murano would live besides glare — it would be easy for packagers to package/apply it | 17:09 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | after all the code would need some glare-common dependencies (since it doesn't really import anything murano-specific, but does import a bunch of code from glance) | 17:10 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: no i mean gather plugins in a repo they plug into | 17:11 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: but it will import something Murano specific at somepoint.... | 17:11 |
| sergmelikyan | got it... | 17:11 |
| sergmelikyan | I am ok with first approach, kzaitsev_mb what do you prefer? | 17:11 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: then a separate repo would probably be the best option, when that happens, since it would depend on murano-code and glance code | 17:12 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: I'm not sure, tbh | 17:12 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | the cons of the separate repo is that it feels like a giant overkill for such a small piece of code | 17:12 |
| sergmelikyan | I am wondering what mfedosin and ativelkov think about that | 17:12 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: I guess this part will grow substantially when we will switch by default to the glare and will start to increase our catalog capabilities | 17:13 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | We wouldn;t be able to change anything for kolla folks in M, but the problem is a bit wieder than just that | 17:13 |
| kzaitsev_mb | also kolla folks wanted to have a fishbowl in Austin | 17:14 |
| kzaitsev_mb | regarding plugins | 17:14 |
| kzaitsev_mb | to figure out if there is a single "right" way to do plugins in openstack | 17:14 |
| kzaitsev_mb | since plugins is a bit of a pain for them apparently =) | 17:14 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: afaik glare currently doesn't allow any custom logic in plugins | 17:15 |
| kzaitsev_mb | not validation anyway. and custom db logic is also a WIP | 17:15 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | so probably won't grow untill newton. | 17:15 |
| sergmelikyan | than it's really super small piece of code :( | 17:16 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I think, that we should go to the whiteboard and write out all the pros/cons of each option | 17:17 |
| kzaitsev_mb | and wight them somehow | 17:17 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | maybe having a murano-glare-plugin repo, is not that bad after all | 17:19 |
| kzaitsev_mb | let's draft an etherpad? | 17:19 |
| sergmelikyan | + | 17:19 |
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| sergmelikyan | agree, tho I have a feeling that having them in Glance tree is not an option | 17:20 |
| sergmelikyan | so we actually down to only one option anyway | 17:20 |
| sergmelikyan | but nothing bad in asking | 17:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: I'll drop by artifacts-sub-team meeting next monday | 17:21 |
| kzaitsev_mb | mfedosin and nikhil might have some ideas ) | 17:21 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: thank you, appreciate that | 17:21 |
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| sergmelikyan | #action kzaitsev_mb drop by artifacts-sub-team meeting next Monday ad ask about storing murano-plugin with glare | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | (I try to attend it anyway, to get their attention at app-cat glare plugin =)) | 17:22 |
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| sergmelikyan | #topic Open Discussion | 17:22 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-glare-plugin-location | 17:23 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I'll fill it in later today/tomorrow | 17:23 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | just so it's in the logs | 17:23 |
| sergmelikyan | thx | 17:25 |
| sergmelikyan | I will try to take a look :) | 17:25 |
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| sergmelikyan | looks like we out topic for today :) | 17:33 |
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| sergmelikyan | #endmeeting | 17:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 23 17:33:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-02-23-17.00.html | 17:33 |
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| nikhil | kzaitsev_mb: will look at the etherpad, thanks for the highlight. I think we may have to come up with something smart for ensuring the plugin requirement works well, as for now we are planning only hard coded glance/objects python modules within the "Glance" source repo. | 17:44 |
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