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| xgerman | o/ | 00:02 |
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| SridarK | hi | 00:03 |
| mickeys | Hi | 00:03 |
| madhu_ak | hi | 00:03 |
| bharathm | o/ | 00:03 |
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| SridarK | i think sc68cal is offline | 00:04 |
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| SridarK | xgerman: shall we start off ? | 00:04 |
| xgerman | sure | 00:04 |
| SridarK | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 00:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 25 00:04:55 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SridarK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 00:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 00:04 |
| SridarK | #chair xgerman | 00:05 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK xgerman | 00:05 |
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| SridarK | we can run thru things quickly | 00:05 |
| xgerman | yep | 00:05 |
| SridarK | #topic FWaaSv2 | 00:05 |
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| xgerman | I added some versioned objects but I am mostly consumed with LBaaS/internal stuff | 00:06 |
| SridarK | on my end, i got stuck with some issues on the db integration - i think i may have found one issue | 00:06 |
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| SridarK | i am hoping this will lead to some light | 00:06 |
| xgerman | yeah, I am not sure if we have all the bak-refs in that model | 00:06 |
| SridarK | xgerman: yes i saw that | 00:07 |
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| SridarK | on the versioned obj | 00:07 |
| xgerman | yeah, I haven’t seen how they are unit tested so not sure... | 00:07 |
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| SridarK | yes | 00:07 |
| SridarK | i am mostly testing with devstack | 00:07 |
| xgerman | k, mickeys any progress? | 00:08 |
| SridarK | ok we will continue with this | 00:08 |
| mickeys | Not enough. We investigated the iptables chains a little more and think we know what we want to do to let both SG and FWaaS run at the same time. | 00:09 |
| xgerman | cool! | 00:09 |
| SridarK | mickeys: that is great | 00:09 |
| mickeys | We will insert a common unwrapped chain. No singleton required for that, but there is still a question how to populate the jumps to SG and FWaaS specific chains. Either fixed logic based on what drivers are running, or a singleton where features can register jumps to their chains. | 00:09 |
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| mickeys | If the latter, a really small singleton. | 00:10 |
| mickeys | We still need a bigger singleton for the conntrack zone stuff since that needs to be shared between SG and FWaaS | 00:10 |
| mickeys | We need to code some of this up and test to make sure it works. | 00:11 |
| xgerman | ok, I think singletons are the right approach | 00:11 |
| SridarK | when the first instance of the feature is configured we register ? | 00:11 |
| mickeys | If we have a small singelton for registration, then we just need it to hold the jumps to feature specific chains, from the common chain | 00:11 |
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| xgerman | yeah, we can register once we load the extension | 00:12 |
| mickeys | Each feature would just add a line | 00:12 |
| SridarK | ok thats fair to do it at ext load | 00:12 |
| xgerman | yep, I think they are pushing neutron-lib hard so the less we need to be hardcoded in the innards the better | 00:13 |
| mickeys | Actually, now that I think about it, there may be a way to do it without the singleton, but it does have a side effect. If each feature just adds the line itself, then I think the jumps will swap everytime a feature updates. Not sure if anyone cares about stats on the jump rule? | 00:14 |
| mickeys | Anyway, will think about it and propose something. | 00:14 |
| xgerman | sounds good | 00:14 |
| jwarendt | look forward to the proposal | 00:15 |
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| SridarK | ok also we shd think of some testcases to make sure we flush out any interop issues with SG and FWaaS | 00:15 |
| xgerman | yep, test will be important | 00:16 |
| mickeys | I think there is an issue with order of rules changing when multiple features have their own instances of IptablesManager. Right now it probably only affects the jump from the FORWARD to neutron-openvswi-FORWARD, if there is another feature that also jumps to wrap-name-FORWARD | 00:16 |
| mickeys | In the existing code | 00:16 |
| xgerman | I would assume SG is in the integration gate :-) | 00:16 |
| mickeys | We noticed that there were other features running iptables, but have not tried any of them. One was metering. | 00:17 |
| xgerman | mmh, guess we need some proper testing | 00:17 |
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| xgerman | I thought metering worked only in non-DVR | 00:17 |
| xgerman | so already has issues | 00:18 |
| mickeys | I found a case unrelated to FWaaSv2 that makes me nervous. For address scopes, they added some rules in filter FORWARD. Wondering if this will clash with existing FWaaS, since FWaaS has ACCEPT rules. Not sure how to determine whether FWaaS or address scope rules hit first. | 00:18 |
| xgerman | mmh,… we can ask on the ML? | 00:19 |
| mickeys | If FWaaS hits first, the address scope rules will not be applied. | 00:19 |
| xgerman | I think sc68cal is at the QA midcycle | 00:19 |
| xgerman | and the Neutron people are at their mid cycle… so ML might be best | 00:20 |
| mickeys | One of us probably needs to bring up FWaaS with address scope (master within the last two weeks) and see what happens. | 00:20 |
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| SridarK | it seems pandora's box is open :-) | 00:21 |
| mickeys | The whole area of multiple IptablesManager instances is a bit scary | 00:21 |
| xgerman | well, we can always ask for a design session to straighten that out | 00:21 |
| xgerman | dougwig? | 00:22 |
| xgerman | or better armax? | 00:22 |
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| xgerman | but it’s dinner time in Rochester… so... | 00:22 |
| SridarK | yes it seems will be good to flush this out with the set of folks touching iptables | 00:22 |
| xgerman | yeah, that would be good | 00:23 |
| mickeys | The address scopes feature added some feature specific code to __init__ in iptables_manager. I just opened a bug against that an hour or two ago. | 00:23 |
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| mickeys | Already merged. | 00:23 |
| xgerman | nice | 00:24 |
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| SridarK | mickeys: can u pls pass the link | 00:24 |
| mickeys | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1549513 | 00:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1549513 in neutron "Feature specific code should be moved out of iptables_manager" [Undecided,New] | 00:24 |
| SridarK | Thanks | 00:24 |
| mickeys | Not my bug merged, the code I am not thrilled about already merged | 00:25 |
| xgerman | that happens | 00:25 |
| mickeys | Probably no functional impact on us, just extra copy actions from connmark to mark. Assuming we do not use mark. | 00:26 |
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| xgerman | never assume | 00:28 |
| xgerman | I am still a bit worried that this is a free4all | 00:28 |
| mickeys | Well if they clean it up then it won't be an issue | 00:28 |
| xgerman | +1 | 00:28 |
| SridarK | yes it is good u raised the promptly | 00:28 |
| SridarK | *the bug | 00:28 |
| xgerman | +1 | 00:28 |
| SridarK | Any other things to discuss on v2 ? | 00:29 |
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| mickeys | I walked through the code carefully. As far as I can tell, the only bad effect of running multiple IptablesManager instances touching the same tables is when they are both populating rules into the same chain, then the order of the rules will probably swap depending on who updated last. | 00:29 |
| mickeys | Different chains, no issue | 00:30 |
| xgerman | but we need to jump from one chain to the other | 00:30 |
| mickeys | At some point some chain needs to be shared, and then jump to different chains | 00:30 |
| xgerman | +1 | 00:30 |
| mickeys | Usually FORWARD, etc | 00:30 |
| SridarK | ok lets move on | 00:34 |
| xgerman | +1 | 00:34 |
| SridarK | #topic other reviews, patches | 00:34 |
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| SridarK | I wanted to bring up new vendor patches | 00:35 |
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| xgerman | nice | 00:35 |
| xgerman | how’s the other baharath’s patch coming? | 00:35 |
| SridarK | do we have a stand on this ? It seems that we should be ok and they can migrate to v2 when it is available | 00:35 |
| xgerman | yep | 00:35 |
| SridarK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283882/ | 00:35 |
| SridarK | ok sounds good we can start reviews on that | 00:37 |
| xgerman | yep | 00:37 |
| SridarK | on the observer hierarchy | 00:37 |
| SridarK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278863/ | 00:37 |
| SridarK | i think this needs more work | 00:37 |
| SridarK | will comment on the patch | 00:38 |
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| xgerman | k | 00:38 |
| madhu_ak | I think its time to move experimental job for tempest tests into non voting, so it can test for any patches coming in? | 00:38 |
| xgerman | +1 | 00:38 |
| SridarK | yes agreed | 00:38 |
| xgerman | madhu_ak thanks for fixing that job | 00:38 |
| madhu_ak | oh yeah. We have the gate job running smoothly after fixing the db part in hooks | 00:39 |
| madhu_ak | for those who wanted to check, one can leave a comment - 'check experimental' to get job results | 00:40 |
| madhu_ak | also, I posted a patch on projct-config to remove redundant job, #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283869/ | 00:41 |
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| SridarK | madhu_ak: thx | 00:42 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 00:43 |
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| SridarK | other patches or reviews needing attention ? | 00:43 |
| xgerman | there are some form jwarendt - but they seem to be moving nicely | 00:43 |
| SridarK | yes jwarendt: thx for resurrecting the quotas patchset | 00:44 |
| xgerman | jwarendt is also investigating how we can detangle FWaaS V1 from Neutron | 00:44 |
| xgerman | +1 | 00:44 |
| jwarendt | np | 00:44 |
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| SridarK | nice thx | 00:44 |
| SridarK | jwarendt: do u have a bug/rfe for that | 00:45 |
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| jwarendt | This is building on old bug 1500960. | 00:47 |
| openstack | bug 1500960 in neutron "Decouple FwaaS from L3 Agent" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1500960 - Assigned to Sean M. Collins (scollins) | 00:47 |
| xgerman | we probably should change the assignment ;-) | 00:47 |
| SridarK | aah ok got it | 00:47 |
| SridarK | there is possibly some overlap on the observer hierarchy work as well | 00:48 |
| xgerman | yep | 00:48 |
| xgerman | I would assume so | 00:48 |
| SridarK | ok great this would be good | 00:48 |
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| jwarendt | Yes. I can build neutron without fwaas tree now, and have turned around the dependency (l3 agent was subclassing from FWaaS) but am in testing phase. | 00:48 |
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| SridarK | jwarendt: pls feel free to ping me on any thing on the l3 agent - fwaas blasphemy | 00:49 |
| SridarK | i worked on that stuff in Havana | 00:49 |
| jwarendt | Will do. | 00:50 |
| SridarK | ok cool if nothing else on this lets move to open discussion | 00:51 |
| xgerman | yep | 00:51 |
| SridarK | #topic Open Discussion | 00:51 |
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| xgerman | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086007.html | 00:51 |
| xgerman | Proposal: Separate design summits from OpenStack conferences | 00:51 |
| xgerman | just as an FYI | 00:52 |
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| SridarK | in some sense this an opportunity to meet with actual folks who deploy - so i have mixed feelings on this | 00:52 |
| xgerman | yep, it’s a double edged sword | 00:53 |
| SridarK | but yes exactly there is definite value in a focussed design summit | 00:53 |
| SridarK | hard call | 00:53 |
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| xgerman | and given companies’ budgets a cheaper location probably better | 00:53 |
| SridarK | surely | 00:54 |
| xgerman | anything else? | 00:54 |
| SridarK | nothing else from me | 00:54 |
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| SridarK | ok folks then if no one has anything else to discuss - we can end | 00:55 |
| xgerman | +1 | 00:55 |
| SridarK | have a great rest of the week everyone | 00:55 |
| SridarK | thx | 00:55 |
| jwarendt | Thank you | 00:55 |
| xgerman | thx | 00:55 |
| xgerman | o/ | 00:55 |
| hoangcx | Thank yyou | 00:55 |
| bharathm | Thanks everyone | 00:56 |
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| SridarK | #endmeeting | 00:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 25 00:56:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-02-25-00.04.html | 00:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-02-25-00.04.txt | 00:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-02-25-00.04.log.html | 00:56 |
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| dirk | toabctl, dirk, aplanas: ping | 13:00 |
| aplanas | here | 13:00 |
| toabctl | hey | 13:01 |
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| dirk | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 25 13:01:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dirk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:01 |
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| IgorYozhikov | hi | 13:02 |
| dirk | everyone, please add your agenda items to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:02 |
| mivanov | hi | 13:02 |
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| dirk | done with topics? can we start? | 13:05 |
| dirk | #topic Mitaka Bugsquash event | 13:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mitaka Bugsquash event (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:07 | |
| dirk | There is an OpenStack Foundation managed Bug Squash event world wide happening in various locations March 7th-9th | 13:07 |
| dirk | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Mitaka | 13:07 |
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| dirk | in one of the previous meetings we've been pondering about doing a rpm packaging hackathon during that time | 13:08 |
| dirk | just wanted to remind you again, feel free to join our irc channel (#openstack-rpm-packaging) during that time and/or meet us in person | 13:08 |
| dirk | there is one meetup in Nuernberg Germany at the SUSE headquarters hosted where some of us will participate | 13:09 |
| dirk | but in any case lets meet on irc and get more spec files / reviews done | 13:09 |
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| dirk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Mitaka | 13:09 |
| dirk | #link etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:10 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk: according to doc any interested people in Moscow could join us too in Mirantis office | 13:10 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: nice! | 13:10 |
| dirk | well, it is hard to beat moscow of course :-) | 13:10 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: will you set aside some time for rpm-packaging during that time? | 13:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | should we try to review | merge as much as possible and with good quality during this event? | 13:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | Yes, I could be on irc and participate in public activities | 13:12 |
| toabctl | +1 (but I also need some time for manila so I can participate the whole time) | 13:12 |
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| IgorYozhikov | looks like we need some kind of to-do :) | 13:13 |
| dirk | isn't http://www.toabctl.de/openstack/rpm-packaging-status.html the todo? :) | 13:14 |
| dirk | or your spreadsheet | 13:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | or just will keep going through the list ^^^ | 13:14 |
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| IgorYozhikov | yes :) | 13:14 |
| dirk | #topic specify versions for BuildRequires ? | 13:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "specify versions for BuildRequires ? (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:15 | |
| dirk | toabctl? | 13:15 |
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| toabctl | I was wondering if we want to specify the versions for BuildRequires . afaik some of our specs do, others don't | 13:15 |
| toabctl | so what's our prefered way to handle this? | 13:15 |
| IgorYozhikov | to be frank, I prefer to use lower bounds | 13:15 |
| dirk | I personally don't really care, I'd be fine without versioned requires on buildrequires | 13:16 |
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| IgorYozhikov | just to be closer to versions used as for testing as for build and mentioned in corresponding requirements.txt | 13:16 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk: I'm agree here only with one exception, we have already pre-built dependencies with required versions | 13:18 |
| dirk | main downside of that is that it serializes the order in which we can merge spec files quite drastically | 13:18 |
| dirk | since upstream is doing version bumps everywhere, and then very quickly packages become unbuildable if not updated in the right order | 13:18 |
| dirk | maybe that is not a big concern though, but in some cases while the version was bumped you can still build against older versions, so that allows some flexibility | 13:19 |
| IgorYozhikov | yes - it is easier, but how to be with same projects which are present in both sections as in BuildRequires as in Requires + version? | 13:20 |
| dirk | hmm, okay | 13:21 |
| IgorYozhikov | for example - in Mirantis we can't merge spec without successful installation test | 13:21 |
| toabctl | we still need such a test for reviews and gating ... | 13:21 |
| dirk | yeah, but thats just a few lines of code with the OBS CI job | 13:22 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl: I'm working on similar stuff | 13:22 |
| dirk | (once the bottlenecks with it are solved) | 13:22 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov: working on CI? | 13:22 |
| IgorYozhikov | already made proposal to our infra team, will clarify ETA | 13:22 |
| dirk | ok, so we agree to list versions both on buildrequires and requires? | 13:22 |
| toabctl | fine for me. | 13:23 |
| dirk | #agreed also list versioned dependencies for BuildRequires | 13:24 |
| dirk | I think we need to document that on the wiki for some reviewing guidelines | 13:24 |
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| IgorYozhikov | dirk: yes | 13:24 |
| toabctl | +1 for documenting it | 13:24 |
| dirk | technically I was thinking about a pep8 tool for our spec files but that is maybe a bit too much work right now | 13:24 |
| dirk | any volunteer for startign such a wiki page? it doesn't have to be perfect, but it would be good to document our best practices for new contributors and reviewers | 13:24 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, toabctl - also need to add about calls for test & docs | 13:25 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk: I will do | 13:25 |
| dirk | whats the wiki url? wiki.openstack.org/rpm-packaging/ReviewGuidelines ? | 13:26 |
| dirk | perhaps ? | 13:26 |
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| toabctl | I can create the wiki page | 13:27 |
| dirk | #action IgorYozhikov document existing review guidelines under wiki.openstack.org/rpm-packaging/ReviewGuidelines | 13:27 |
| toabctl | oh. sorry. forgot to scroll down | 13:27 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov: please go ahead. | 13:27 |
| dirk | thanks Igor! | 13:27 |
| toabctl | didn't read the answer :) | 13:27 |
| dirk | to everyone else, please help/review the changes | 13:27 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl: ok | 13:28 |
| dirk | #topic what files in %doc: AUTHORS ChangeLog CONTRIBUTING.rst HACKING.rst LICENSE README.rst ? | 13:28 |
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| dirk | again a topic from toabctl :) | 13:28 |
| toabctl | also something to document I guess. What files do we want to have there? | 13:28 |
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| toabctl | imo no LICENSE (because that's under %license) but I'm for AUTHORS, ChangeLog and README | 13:29 |
| toabctl | I think CONTRIBUTING.rst and HACKING isn't really needed | 13:29 |
| dirk | yeah, I would leave out HACKING* at least | 13:29 |
| dirk | I"m undecided about AUTHORS | 13:29 |
| dirk | works foe me. | 13:29 |
| toabctl | well - AUTHORS is not really documentation. so we can leave that out, too | 13:30 |
| dirk | any concerns, thoughts, objections? | 13:30 |
| IgorYozhikov | -HACKING, yes | 13:31 |
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| dirk | #agreed do not add HACKING* and CONTRIBUTING* to %doc | 13:34 |
| dirk | #agreed do not add HACKING* and CONTRIBUTING* and AUTHORS to %doc | 13:34 |
| dirk | I think we agreed to the 2nd one :) | 13:34 |
| toabctl | :) | 13:34 |
| dirk | #topic renderspec epoch handling - comments? (see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283744/ ) | 13:36 |
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| toabctl | I added support for epochs to renderspec . are there any comments? should something change there? | 13:37 |
| dirk | first of all, thanks to toabctl for writing tons of tests and working out a proposal | 13:37 |
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| toabctl | I would like to get this merged soon (or chanage it) so we can use the new style template mechanism to support epochs | 13:37 |
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| dirk | I haven't checked it out in detail, where/how would we add the epoch yaml files? | 13:37 |
| dirk | would they be a separate file, e.g. %distro-epochs.yaml alongside the spec.j2 ? | 13:38 |
| dirk | how does it hande the case that the file doesn't exist? | 13:38 |
| IgorYozhikov | As I already said - 2nd variant looks easier | 13:38 |
| toabctl | dirk: that's a good question. I asked number80 about it but got no response | 13:38 |
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| IgorYozhikov | and yes - yamls - where they will resides? | 13:38 |
| toabctl | if the file doesn't exist, epochs are currently just ignored | 13:38 |
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| toabctl | my current feeling is that we should store the $distro-epochs.yaml in the rpm-packaging repo | 13:39 |
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| toabctl | IgorYozhikov: why easier? | 13:40 |
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| IgorYozhikov | one function with params | 13:40 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov: 2nd variant == {{ py2pkg('oslo.config', ('>=', '3.0.0')) }} ? | 13:41 |
| IgorYozhikov | filter -> function 1,2,3 | 13:41 |
| IgorYozhikov | yes | 13:41 |
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| toabctl | ok. I guess then we all agree about that. | 13:41 |
| dirk | +1 | 13:41 |
| IgorYozhikov | ++ | 13:41 |
| dirk | I also think the yamls should be just submitted into the git repo alongside the spec.j2 files | 13:42 |
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| dirk | e.g. the renderspec tool should search for them in the given directory where the spec.j2 resides by default | 13:42 |
| toabctl | dirk: so you want to have a epoch db per spec.j2 ? | 13:42 |
| IgorYozhikov | Just to be clear, it will handle the old format normally, right? | 13:42 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov: yes. we can slowly migrate to the new format | 13:43 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: old sformat is still supposed | 13:43 |
| dirk | toabctl: ah, you mean it should be in a common directory? | 13:43 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, toabctl - thanx | 13:43 |
| toabctl | dirk: yes. a single db per distro. | 13:43 |
| toabctl | dirk: I don't see a reason why we need to duplicate that information | 13:44 |
| IgorYozhikov | I've got feeling that yaml will resides near spec.j2 | 13:44 |
| dirk | so storing in the parent directory? | 13:44 |
| IgorYozhikov | but this is not good | 13:44 |
| toabctl | dirk: maybe just in rpm-packaging/epochs/fedora-epochs.yaml | 13:44 |
| dirk | works for me as well | 13:45 |
| IgorYozhikov | common storage, yes. And it should target current OS release | 13:45 |
| dirk | I guess we need to discuss this when number80 is back from PTO | 13:45 |
| toabctl | m. yes | 13:45 |
| dirk | I was anyway thinking that we should add some magic to fetch the proper version numbers from the glocal requirements repo | 13:46 |
| dirk | and stop listing them explitely in the spec.j2 template. it would be substituted automatically | 13:46 |
| dirk | so the epoch would be similar in that regard | 13:46 |
| toabctl | dirk: we can add that later I guess | 13:46 |
| dirk | ok, so in generall we agree that this is looking good, we need to finalize the epoch stuff with number80 ? | 13:46 |
| dirk | can we agree to that? | 13:46 |
| toabctl | +1 | 13:47 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk: we already have tool for GR parsing against specs | 13:47 |
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| IgorYozhikov | mivanov: could you post link? | 13:47 |
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| dirk | #agreed proposal for py2pkg change in renderspec (see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283744/ ) looks good, we need to finalize epoch discussion with Red Hat | 13:48 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: cool.. can we integrate it somehow? | 13:48 |
| IgorYozhikov | maybe, mivanov - is one of the authors | 13:48 |
| dirk | we should take a look at that | 13:51 |
| dirk | mivanov: around? | 13:51 |
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| mivanov | yes, i'm here | 13:51 |
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| mivanov | i'm just searching in my repos :) | 13:52 |
| IgorYozhikov | mivanov: can you record a small demo and post the link here | 13:53 |
| dirk | ok, cool, I'd suggest to continue the discussion in #openstack-rpm-packaging since we have a hard stop here for the next meeting | 13:53 |
| dirk | any last topic ? | 13:53 |
| toabctl | just the usual "please do reviews" :) | 13:53 |
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| toabctl | afaics we need next oslo.serialization which is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284700/ | 13:53 |
| dirk | yes, good point | 13:54 |
| toabctl | this hopefully unblocks oslo.concurrency | 13:54 |
| dirk | I realized as well that oslo.serialization blocks everything | 13:54 |
| dirk | so please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284700/ | 13:54 |
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| dirk | ok, meet everyone in #openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:57 |
| IgorYozhikov | I'm fine with CR, reqs are up to date | 13:57 |
| dirk | thanks! next meeting next week same place same time :) | 13:57 |
| dirk | #endmeeting | 13:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 25 13:57:22 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-02-25-13.01.html | 13:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-02-25-13.01.txt | 13:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-02-25-13.01.log.html | 13:57 |
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| m3m0 | #startmetting freezer 25 02 16 | 13:58 |
| m3m0 | #startmeeting freezer_25_02_16 | 13:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 25 13:59:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is m3m0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer_25_02_16)" | 13:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer_25_02_16' | 13:59 |
| m3m0 | as always all the notes for the meetings at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 13:59 |
| m3m0 | we are having a code walkthrough at https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeCYbeLPLRFolLHC3JwalYKv2jWaA-if17K-P8lUdvzbxdPuw?hl=en&authuser=0 | 14:00 |
| m3m0 | we are disucssing parallel backups | 14:00 |
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| m3m0 | so guys who is here? o/ | 14:05 |
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| daemontool_ | hi all | 14:06 |
| daemontool_ | m3m0, you run the meeting? | 14:06 |
| daemontool_ | sorry for the delay there was until now the freezer source code walk thru session until now | 14:07 |
| m3m0 | ddieterly will run the first part | 14:07 |
| yangyape_ | ping EinstCrazy | 14:07 |
| EinstCrazy | I'm here | 14:07 |
| daemontool_ | recording available here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8nG5l8u5Yg&feature=youtu.be | 14:07 |
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| zhangjn | thanks | 14:07 |
| m3m0 | #topic mid-cycle meeting | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mid-cycle meeting (Meeting topic: freezer_25_02_16)" | 14:07 | |
| daemontool_ | meetings notes available hre https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:08 |
| m3m0 | ok guys what do you think about the 16th of march | 14:08 |
| m3m0 | the day after is st patricks day here in ireland so you can enjoy the party after | 14:08 |
| daemontool_ | so first topic is freezer meet up? | 14:08 |
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| daemontool_ | I think we need at least 2 days | 14:08 |
| m3m0 | yes, we need to agree on a date | 14:08 |
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| m3m0 | 15-16? | 14:08 |
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| daemontool_ | sounds good to me | 14:09 |
| m3m0 | tuesday and wendsday | 14:09 |
| zhangjn | what's time 15~16? | 14:09 |
| daemontool_ | zhangjn, is a freezer meet up | 14:09 |
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| daemontool_ | mid cycle in Ireland | 14:10 |
| daemontool_ | Galway | 14:10 |
| daemontool_ | but we need to agree on the date | 14:10 |
| daemontool_ | zhangjn, if you can't make it | 14:10 |
| daemontool_ | we can work at the Summit | 14:10 |
| m3m0 | I think I cannot make to the summit | 14:10 |
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| szaher | Guys Freezer code walk through video is available here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8nG5l8u5Yg | 14:11 |
| m3m0 | at least until we know the results of the speech voting | 14:11 |
| daemontool_ | m3m0, ty | 14:11 |
| daemontool_ | ok | 14:11 |
| daemontool_ | np | 14:11 |
| daemontool_ | so 15-16 of march sounds good to me | 14:11 |
| daemontool_ | zhangjn, if anyone from you guys could god | 14:11 |
| daemontool_ | s/go/god/ | 14:11 |
| daemontool_ | would be good | 14:11 |
| m3m0 | does anyone disagree on this date? | 14:11 |
| daemontool_ | it will be 2 days full | 14:11 |
| daemontool_ | I'm ok | 14:12 |
| daemontool_ | I'm even | 14:12 |
| daemontool_ | available to do 3 days | 14:12 |
| daemontool_ | is possible | 14:12 |
| daemontool_ | Mon, Tue, Wed | 14:12 |
| daemontool_ | so we can discuss many things taht can be furtherly worked out during the summit | 14:12 |
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| daemontool_ | ddieterly, sounds good to you? | 14:12 |
| m3m0 | we definetly need to speak with our manager and frescof on this | 14:12 |
| ddieterly | which days, exactly? | 14:12 |
| daemontool_ | 14,15,16 March | 14:12 |
| m3m0 | 15 and 16 of march | 14:13 |
| ddieterly | 3 days or 2 days? | 14:13 |
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| daemontool_ | I'm available 3 days | 14:13 |
| zhangjn | no budget to Galway, (: | 14:14 |
| daemontool_ | zhangjn, ok np | 14:14 |
| ddieterly | so, should i go for 3 or 2? | 14:14 |
| daemontool_ | go for 3 | 14:14 |
| daemontool_ | so you can stay also with the other guys | 14:14 |
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| daemontool_ | I think I'll go for 3 | 14:14 |
| daemontool_ | ok | 14:15 |
| ddieterly | are we sure about 14,15,16? is it a go? | 14:15 |
| daemontool_ | yes | 14:15 |
| ddieterly | that is only 3 weeks away | 14:15 |
| daemontool_ | ddieterly, I advice you to stay until Friday | 14:15 |
| ddieterly | the ides of march then | 14:15 |
| daemontool_ | as the 17th is St PAtrick day | 14:15 |
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| daemontool_ | we are going to have great time | 14:15 |
| daemontool_ | there | 14:15 |
| ddieterly | ok, we'll see about that | 14:16 |
| daemontool_ | so agreed? | 14:16 |
| ddieterly | 15,15,16 for sure | 14:16 |
| ddieterly | s/15/14 | 14:16 |
| m3m0 | frescof are you here? | 14:16 |
| daemontool_ | ok | 14:17 |
| daemontool_ | so next topic? | 14:17 |
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| daemontool_ | Disaster Recovery bp | 14:18 |
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| m3m0 | #topic disaster recovery bp | 14:18 |
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| daemontool_ | we need to add the outcomes from past conversations | 14:18 |
| daemontool_ | to the review | 14:18 |
| daemontool_ | and send an email to the openstack ml to ask for feedback | 14:19 |
| frescof | yes, and some more architectural details | 14:19 |
| m3m0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278242/ | 14:19 |
| daemontool_ | frescof, can you add that? | 14:19 |
| daemontool_ | also szaher ? | 14:19 |
| m3m0 | frescof regarding to the midcycle meeting, can we book a room for 3 days? | 14:19 |
| frescof | on how the implementation in freezer would look like | 14:19 |
| frescof | m3m0, yes sure | 14:19 |
| daemontool_ | frescof, yes please | 14:20 |
| daemontool_ | I'm going to galway for this and would be good to have 3 days | 14:20 |
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| frescof | no problem I will reserve a room | 14:20 |
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| daemontool_ | ok | 14:20 |
| daemontool_ | next | 14:20 |
| frescof | the date has already been agreed ? | 14:20 |
| daemontool_ | ssh restore bug ? | 14:20 |
| m3m0 | 14 - 16 march | 14:20 |
| daemontool_ | ddieterly, ? | 14:20 |
| frescof | ok | 14:20 |
| daemontool_ | did anyone took a look at the bug you filled? | 14:21 |
| ddieterly | yes | 14:21 |
| ddieterly | not sure if anyone looked at it | 14:21 |
| daemontool_ | ok we need to work on it | 14:21 |
| reldan | I was trying to reproduce ssh bug | 14:21 |
| m3m0 | ddieterly: back me up for 15 min | 14:21 |
| reldan | And wasn’t able | 14:21 |
| reldan | It creates ssh directory for me | 14:21 |
| reldan | Probably I’m doing something wrong | 14:22 |
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| daemontool_ | reldan, can you work out this with ddieterly after the meeting? | 14:22 |
| daemontool_ | offline? | 14:22 |
| reldan | yes, sure | 14:22 |
| daemontool_ | thanks a lot | 14:22 |
| daemontool_ | next | 14:22 |
| daemontool_ | #topic testing dsvm | 14:23 |
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| daemontool_ | we need to have the basic integration tests we have | 14:24 |
| daemontool_ | execute automatically by the dsvm | 14:24 |
| daemontool_ | ddieterly, are you familiar with dsvm? | 14:24 |
| ddieterly | m3m0: i'm not sure what 'back me up for 15 min' means | 14:24 |
| ddieterly | yes | 14:24 |
| daemontool_ | ddieterly, it is to run this meeting | 14:24 |
| ddieterly | unfortunately | 14:24 |
| daemontool_ | but it's not a problem | 14:24 |
| daemontool_ | ddieterly, do you want to fix that? | 14:24 |
| daemontool_ | otherwise I'll do it after | 14:24 |
| daemontool_ | the testr swift on freezer-api (including py34 porting) | 14:25 |
| ddieterly | fix what exactly? | 14:25 |
| daemontool_ | we need to execute automatically the integration tests we have | 14:25 |
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| ddieterly | ah, yes | 14:25 |
| daemontool_ | from the dsvm gate job | 14:25 |
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| ddieterly | sure | 14:25 |
| ddieterly | i can start to look into that | 14:25 |
| daemontool_ | ok ty, brilliant | 14:25 |
| daemontool_ | next | 14:25 |
| ddieterly | how do you run the integration tests manually? | 14:25 |
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| daemontool_ | we should have a guide there | 14:25 |
| daemontool_ | I'll send you the link after the meeting | 14:26 |
| zhangjn | devstack install freezer is start | 14:26 |
| ddieterly | great, thanks | 14:26 |
| zhangjn | but devstack is not work now. | 14:26 |
| daemontool_ | yes | 14:26 |
| daemontool_ | I'm working on it | 14:26 |
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| daemontool_ | it's related to the testr and py34 patch | 14:26 |
| daemontool_ | I'm fixing here | 14:26 |
| zhangjn | We can fixed some devstack problem. | 14:26 |
| daemontool_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260950/ | 14:26 |
| daemontool_ | zhangjn, if you could look there | 14:26 |
| daemontool_ | what the problem is | 14:26 |
| daemontool_ | that'd be grat | 14:27 |
| daemontool_ | great | 14:27 |
| daemontool_ | only the dsvm gate job is failing | 14:27 |
| daemontool_ | sounds? | 14:27 |
| daemontool_ | ok, zhangjn let me know if you are availe | 14:28 |
| daemontool_ | next | 14:28 |
| daemontool_ | #topic tenant based backups | 14:28 |
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| daemontool_ | I have requirements from the company I work on | 14:28 |
| daemontool_ | ddieterly, did you per chance added the requirements you have to the freezer wiki? | 14:28 |
| ddieterly | yes | 14:28 |
| daemontool_ | brilliant | 14:28 |
| daemontool_ | do you have the link? | 14:28 |
| daemontool_ | ok let me know | 14:29 |
| daemontool_ | reldan, I think we need to move forward with that | 14:29 |
| ddieterly | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/freezer/+spec/hpe-requirements | 14:29 |
| daemontool_ | ddieterly, ok | 14:29 |
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| reldan | if we have requirements and you can say, that what we are going to do is exactly what we need - great | 14:30 |
| reldan | let’s start | 14:30 |
| daemontool_ | ok | 14:30 |
| daemontool_ | I have to add mines there | 14:30 |
| reldan | if you can show me requirements it should be great | 14:30 |
| daemontool_ | but the requirements are general | 14:30 |
| daemontool_ | sure | 14:30 |
| reldan | ddieterly: It doesn’t look for me like requirements | 14:31 |
| daemontool_ | ddieterly, do you mind adding the notes here? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:31 |
| reldan | like - Vertica DB - it is topic probably, but not requirement from my point of view | 14:31 |
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| daemontool_ | reldan, yes, unfortunately the product owner in my company sent me something similar | 14:32 |
| daemontool_ | I think we have to deal with that | 14:32 |
| daemontool_ | in soem way | 14:32 |
| reldan | I just suppose that product owners just don’t know what they wants | 14:32 |
| daemontool_ | lol | 14:32 |
| daemontool_ | ++ | 14:32 |
| reldan | and it is very easy that they will say - it is not what we had in mind | 14:32 |
| daemontool_ | so, let's see how we can work that out | 14:32 |
| reldan | it is completelly different | 14:32 |
| daemontool_ | I agree | 14:33 |
| daemontool_ | also we should focus on tenant based backups | 14:33 |
| ddieterly | what's different from 'topic' and 'requirement'? | 14:33 |
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| daemontool_ | so requirements for instances, volumes and tenant related info | 14:33 |
| daemontool_ | verticadb is like a topic | 14:33 |
| daemontool_ | the requirements would be, have incremental backups of verticadb without downtime | 14:34 |
| ddieterly | ok | 14:34 |
| reldan | ddieterly: For me requirement is something like this: We have application x, that uses such database, such volumes and virtualmachines. We would like to make backups of vm (but we don’t need floating ip backup) and database. They should be / shouldn’t be syncronized | 14:34 |
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| daemontool_ | ok reldan ddieterly we can see this in the freezer chan after the meeting | 14:35 |
| ddieterly | ok, looks like level of detail is the difference | 14:35 |
| daemontool_ | is that ok? | 14:35 |
| daemontool_ | ddieterly, well yes | 14:35 |
| reldan | yes, sure | 14:35 |
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| ddieterly | sure | 14:35 |
| daemontool_ | #topic rsync block based incremental backups | 14:36 |
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| daemontool_ | we need to revive that :) | 14:36 |
| daemontool_ | it's really important | 14:36 |
| daemontool_ | and also we need to abstract that part | 14:36 |
| daemontool_ | so we can have | 14:36 |
| daemontool_ | something like | 14:36 |
| daemontool_ | incremental_types | 14:36 |
| daemontool_ | or incremental_modes | 14:36 |
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| daemontool_ | like rsync, tar, btrfs, zfs | 14:37 |
| daemontool_ | and so on | 14:37 |
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| daemontool_ | kvm native feature | 14:37 |
| daemontool_ | qemu native features etc | 14:37 |
| daemontool_ | but we need to abstract that and make it pluggable | 14:37 |
| yangyape_ | what is the backend of the volume for incremental backups | 14:37 |
| daemontool_ | yangyape_, that a good qeustion | 14:38 |
| daemontool_ | I think it should be | 14:38 |
| yangyape_ | gluster? or ? | 14:38 |
| daemontool_ | one of the current back end we support such as, swift, ssh, local fs | 14:38 |
| daemontool_ | ah ok | 14:38 |
| daemontool_ | you mean the backend of cinder | 14:38 |
| daemontool_ | yes | 14:38 |
| yangyape_ | yes | 14:38 |
| daemontool_ | that's what we need | 14:38 |
| daemontool_ | bluster, btrfs, zfs | 14:38 |
| zhangjn | we can use cinder-backup to backup volume. | 14:38 |
| daemontool_ | gluster | 14:38 |
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| daemontool_ | zhangjn, yes, I think we need to provide flexibility | 14:39 |
| daemontool_ | so if a user wants to use the cinder-backup api, with the current incremental mechanism | 14:39 |
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| daemontool_ | he/she can | 14:39 |
| daemontool_ | but if the user | 14:39 |
| daemontool_ | want to use a different mechanism | 14:39 |
| daemontool_ | like glusterfs or btrfs | 14:39 |
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| daemontool_ | to backup the volumes located on the brik or btrfs vol and zfs | 14:40 |
| daemontool_ | we should provide that too | 14:40 |
| zhangjn | cinder-backup can cofigure backup driver | 14:40 |
| daemontool_ | zhangjn, that's a good options | 14:40 |
| daemontool_ | szaher, yangyape_ do you like to write a bp for that? | 14:41 |
| daemontool_ | I feel you have a strong background on that | 14:41 |
| daemontool_ | then we can discuss it together | 14:41 |
| daemontool_ | and after that | 14:41 |
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| daemontool_ | request feedback on the openstack ml | 14:41 |
| daemontool_ | sound? | 14:41 |
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| daemontool_ | we have to define also what we want to do from the cinder api and what from the freezer api | 14:42 |
| daemontool_ | of volumes backup | 14:42 |
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| daemontool_ | s/of/for/ | 14:42 |
| daemontool_ | zhangjn, yangyape_ ok let me know if you are interested | 14:42 |
| daemontool_ | reldan, of course ^^ | 14:42 |
| daemontool_ | reldan, any thought? | 14:43 |
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| zhangjn | we have interested, but we have starter with freezer. | 14:43 |
| EinstCrazy | this bp is about the incremental backup for block ? | 14:43 |
| daemontool_ | yes | 14:43 |
| zhangjn | use cinder-backup api | 14:44 |
| daemontool_ | it's part the tenant resources backups | 14:44 |
| reldan | Incremental with —incremental and --force? | 14:44 |
| daemontool_ | so volumes, instances, user metadata | 14:44 |
| daemontool_ | etc | 14:44 |
| yangyape_ | We can temporarily use cinder - API to do an incremental backup， | 14:44 |
| yangyape_ | --force | 14:44 |
| daemontool_ | yangyape_, I think reldan did something about that? | 14:44 |
| daemontool_ | reldan, we needed to add the metadata right? | 14:44 |
| daemontool_ | do I remember well? | 14:44 |
| reldan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276685/ | 14:44 |
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| reldan | We can do it | 14:45 |
| daemontool_ | brilliant :) | 14:45 |
| reldan | But actually for the first implementation it should be enough | 14:45 |
| daemontool_ | ++ | 14:45 |
| reldan | The actual question for me is how to unify our architecture | 14:45 |
| daemontool_ | reldan, add on the README | 14:45 |
| daemontool_ | some information about that | 14:45 |
| reldan | daemontool_: Ok | 14:45 |
| daemontool_ | reldan, please extend | 14:46 |
| daemontool_ | like pluggable? | 14:46 |
| reldan | daemontool_: I know that saad amd pier have a blueprint | 14:46 |
| reldan | yes | 14:46 |
| reldan | pierre | 14:46 |
| daemontool_ | szaher, ^^ ? | 14:46 |
| reldan | daeontool_: I even have some attempt in this direction https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280602/ | 14:47 |
| reldan | But what I am afraid - is to have multiple unrelated backup mechanism | 14:47 |
| daemontool_ | ah ok | 14:47 |
| daemontool_ | I see it now | 14:47 |
| reldan | with different workflows | 14:47 |
| daemontool_ | this is one of the thigns we need to talk at the summit | 14:48 |
| daemontool_ | and mid cycle | 14:48 |
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| reldan | and the really hard question is how to intergrate cinder/nova backups to this architecture | 14:48 |
| reldan | and how to integrate tenant backup | 14:48 |
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| reldan | because now it is somethign absolutly different from local tar backup | 14:48 |
| daemontool_ | reldan, yes | 14:49 |
| reldan | So I would like to force acceptance this document as our roadmap | 14:49 |
| daemontool_ | for cinder I think yangyape_ and zhangjn can provide some inputs? | 14:49 |
| daemontool_ | reldan, ++ | 14:49 |
| reldan | and have all our new features have alligment with this architecture | 14:49 |
| daemontool_ | frescof, ^^ | 14:49 |
| daemontool_ | #agreed | 14:50 |
| daemontool_ | ok | 14:50 |
| daemontool_ | so 10 minutes left | 14:50 |
| frescof | yes, I agree, we need to do few things | 14:50 |
| frescof | code refactoring/cleanup | 14:50 |
| frescof | preparation to a more pluggable architecture | 14:50 |
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| frescof | that will allow us to have the dr and the other backup mechanism | 14:51 |
| daemontool_ | ok, but that's not a blocker to write bp for block based backups for cinder, nova, rsync etc | 14:52 |
| daemontool_ | it's more an architecture related task | 14:52 |
| daemontool_ | vs features | 14:52 |
| frescof | you are right | 14:52 |
| daemontool_ | we also need that | 14:52 |
| daemontool_ | we need to think mainly if we want to use only the cinder api | 14:52 |
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| daemontool_ | or also have the agent installed directly on the storage nodes | 14:53 |
| daemontool_ | and compute nodes to execute actions | 14:53 |
| ddieterly | how does this intersect with what ekko is doing? | 14:53 |
| frescof | I think that those are kind of 2 different things | 14:53 |
| ddieterly | ...block based backup, that is | 14:53 |
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| daemontool_ | ddieterly, I don't know there's still very little there | 14:53 |
| daemontool_ | so, no interstection now | 14:53 |
| ddieterly | ok | 14:54 |
| frescof | leverage cinder backups is very important | 14:54 |
| daemontool_ | ok, and we do that now | 14:54 |
| daemontool_ | at least partly | 14:54 |
| frescof | and pretty easy to implement in liberty+ | 14:54 |
| daemontool_ | ok | 14:54 |
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| daemontool_ | we have that | 14:55 |
| daemontool_ | what we do not have | 14:55 |
| frescof | more advanced kind of backups | 14:55 |
| daemontool_ | is incremental nova instances backups | 14:55 |
| zhangjn | now cinder-backup can support incremental backup. | 14:55 |
| daemontool_ | yes | 14:55 |
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| EinstCrazy | but cinder incremental backup may be somehow inefficiency | 14:56 |
| zhangjn | yes | 14:56 |
| frescof | leveraging the storages, for example, 3par is kind of a different matter | 14:56 |
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| yangyape_ | yes | 14:56 |
| daemontool_ | yes | 14:57 |
| daemontool_ | so we need to write bps for that | 14:57 |
| daemontool_ | deep thinking on it | 14:57 |
| frescof | very interesting, but more complex and lot of work | 14:57 |
| daemontool_ | and get feedback | 14:57 |
| daemontool_ | frescof, this cinder incremental api par tis here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276685/ | 14:57 |
| daemontool_ | that is probably ready to merged after this meeting | 14:57 |
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| daemontool_ | the only thing woud be to add also the metadata | 14:57 |
| daemontool_ | as next commit | 14:57 |
| daemontool_ | ok | 14:57 |
| zhangjn | LOL | 14:58 |
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| daemontool_ | zhangjn, I mean | 14:58 |
| daemontool_ | the volumes metadata | 14:58 |
| daemontool_ | it needs to be included in the backup | 14:58 |
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| m3m0 | sorry guys for the delay | 14:58 |
| m3m0 | just remember we are short in time | 14:58 |
| daemontool_ | otherwise the restore can be done only on limited circumstances | 14:58 |
| daemontool_ | ok | 14:58 |
| daemontool_ | so anything else to add? | 14:58 |
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| daemontool_ | I'd like to do | 14:59 |
| daemontool_ | 2 weekly meeting is possible | 14:59 |
| daemontool_ | for the next 8 weeks | 14:59 |
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| daemontool_ | s/is/if/ | 14:59 |
| daemontool_ | there are many things we need to figure out | 14:59 |
| daemontool_ | let's think about it | 14:59 |
| daemontool_ | so anyone has anything to say? | 14:59 |
| m3m0 | and let's move to #openstack-freezer channel | 14:59 |
| daemontool_ | anyone wanted to say anything and didn't have the chance? | 14:59 |
| m3m0 | we can finish the disussion there | 14:59 |
| daemontool_ | m3m0, you can close the meeting then | 15:00 |
| daemontool_ | thanks all | 15:00 |
| m3m0 | thanks all :) | 15:00 |
| m3m0 | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| frescof | thanks all | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 25 15:00:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer_25_02_16/2016/freezer_25_02_16.2016-02-25-13.59.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer_25_02_16/2016/freezer_25_02_16.2016-02-25-13.59.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer_25_02_16/2016/freezer_25_02_16.2016-02-25-13.59.log.html | 15:00 |
| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 25 15:00:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:00 |
| aovchinnikov | hi | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| tpsilva | hello | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
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| markstur_ | hi | 15:01 |
| dustins | \o | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | someone added an agenda item without putting their name on it | 15:01 |
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| vponomaryov | hi | 15:01 |
| * bswartz uses wiki history.... | 15:01 | |
| csaba | hi | 15:01 |
| rraja | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | ah it was cknight | 15:01 |
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| mkoderer | hi | 15:01 |
| cknight | bswartz: I knew I couldn't hide. | 15:02 |
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| markstur_ | bswartz, You didn't recognize his attention to detail? | 15:02 |
| cknight | bswartz: Just sounding the alarm. | 15:02 |
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| cknight | markstur_: :-) | 15:02 |
| * bswartz had his suspicions | 15:02 | |
| bswartz | okay it's a short agenda today | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | last week of M-3 so we all know what we need to be doing | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #topic OpenStack bug smash event | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack bug smash event (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
| mkoderer | ok | 15:03 |
| mkoderer | toabctl and I just wanted to highlight that there will be a bug smash event | 15:03 |
| toabctl | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Mitaka | 15:04 |
| bswartz | oh this is the cross-project event? | 15:04 |
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| mkoderer | for germany it will be at the suse office | 15:04 |
| toabctl | bswartz: yes. cross project cross country | 15:04 |
| bswartz | I do remember reading about this | 15:04 |
| bswartz | what do we need to do to get attention on manila? | 15:05 |
| mkoderer | toabctl: we need to got trough the bug list and marking the ones we want to work on | 15:05 |
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| mkoderer | bswartz: toabctl and I will work on manila bug | 15:05 |
| toabctl | yes. and add the bug links to | 15:05 |
| mkoderer | and hopefully some more | 15:05 |
| toabctl | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Mitaka-Bugs | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | we will be using LP to target and prioritize bugs | 15:06 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: ok that's fine | 15:06 |
| bswartz | since that event happens between FF and RC1, we can use the mitaka-rc1 target | 15:06 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: ok cool | 15:06 |
| toabctl | bswartz: fine for me. I may just copy the link to mitaka-rc1 to the etherpad then | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | okay | 15:06 |
| mkoderer | and everyone is invited to join us :) | 15:07 |
| cfouts | hi | 15:07 |
| bswartz | I doubt there is anything targeted yet -- it should all be targeted at M-3 right now | 15:07 |
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| mkoderer | bswartz: ok we will see | 15:07 |
| bswartz | although we will probably retarget nearly all of them because people are too busy to fix bugs this week | 15:07 |
| bswartz | thanks mkoderer, toabctl | 15:08 |
| bswartz | can people participate remotely? | 15:08 |
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| toabctl | bswartz: I'll be remote, too (for private reasons) | 15:08 |
| bswartz | like those of us in RTP -- is there a way we could join in on those days? | 15:08 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: toabctl will be remote for instance:) | 15:08 |
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| mkoderer | so if we see that many ppl want to join we can setup telco bridges or coodinating with irc | 15:09 |
| toabctl | let's just use the usual #openstack-manila channel for communication. and if needed we can setup a hangout. I don't expect to many participants outside of the usual group... | 15:09 |
| mkoderer | toabctl: +1 | 15:09 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | anyone interested check out that etherpad and use the IRC channel on those days to get linked in | 15:09 |
| bswartz | #topic Status of new drivers | 15:10 |
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| cknight | mkoderer: Thanks for setting that up. Sounds interesting. | 15:10 |
| cknight | bswartz: You wanna lead this one? I think I said it all in the agenda. | 15:10 |
| cknight | The short version is that merge rates are low due to the rechecks. | 15:10 |
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| cknight | So we switch to the new drivers as the voting jobs now, or we accept that many of our Mitaka priorities won't make the deadline. | 15:10 |
| bswartz | well I'm a bit confused | 15:10 |
| bswartz | the new drivers -- specifically LXD -- isn't ready to be voting | 15:11 |
| bswartz | we could make LVM voting and take generic out of no-share-servers jobs | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | no-share-servers is non-voting for ages | 15:11 |
| bswartz | but it seems to have concurrency issues at the moment | 15:11 |
| bswartz | errr | 15:11 |
| bswartz | okay that's a problem for different reasons | 15:12 |
| cknight | Anything that can increase the probability of successful test runs helps. | 15:12 |
| bswartz | we have 2 voting jobs currently | 15:12 |
| bswartz | gate-manila-tempest-dsvm-neutron and gate-manila-tempest-dsvm-neutron-multibackend | 15:12 |
| bswartz | I agree they're flaky and need replacement | 15:12 |
| cknight | Both of those use generic driver with DHSS = True? | 15:13 |
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| ganso | why do we require gate-manila-tempest-dsvm-neutron to be voting if gate-manila-tempest-dsvm-neutron-multibackend runs more tests? | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | ZFS, vote for stability! | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | but nothing we have gives us the same coverage at higher reliability | 15:13 |
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| vponomaryov | cknight: yes | 15:13 |
| cknight | ganso: +1 Let's use one or the other. | 15:13 |
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| cknight | vponomaryov: +1 for ZFS as well, if it's ready. | 15:13 |
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| vponomaryov | cknight: unit tests TBD | 15:14 |
| bswartz | we could make the single backend one nonvoting and add the LVM no-share-servers job as voting | 15:14 |
| ganso | 1/3 of my rechecks are because multibackend passes, but non-multibackend fails, then on recheck it's the opposite | 15:14 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: +1 | 15:14 |
| bswartz | so I'm in favor of making the new drivers voting, but only after they've been merged and have a track record of consistent results | 15:14 |
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| cknight | bswartz: Sounds good. That actually improves our coverage. | 15:14 |
| bswartz | there simply no time for ZFS and LXD to do that in Mitaka | 15:15 |
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| ganso | bswartz: from what I've seen, the generic-no-share-servers job has been more reliable than LVM | 15:15 |
| cknight | bswartz: Maybe not in M.3, but we could lessen the pain by using them during M.4. | 15:15 |
| bswartz | ganso: that's my intuition too | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: generic driver more reliable? | 15:15 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: generic driver DHSS=False | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | ganso; LVm just has one bug | 15:15 |
| toabctl | tbh I don't feel very comfortabl with having zfs and lxd for gating because both is ubuntu-only technology afaics. but I guess that's another discussion ... | 15:16 |
| bswartz | LVM definitely has at least one bug that triggers randomly with high concurrency | 15:16 |
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| gouthamr | wishlist: ZFS driver be tested on multi-AZ, multi-backend environment in the gate | 15:16 |
| ganso | I think creating a scenario job with generic-no-share-servers is a good idea, I don't think we will be able to achieve a stable scenario using generic in DHSS=True | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | toabctl: devstack part is ubuntu-based | 15:16 |
| tbarron | toabctl: +1, and yes another discussion | 15:16 |
| bswartz | toabctl: ZFS is not tied to ubuntu | 15:16 |
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| vponomaryov | toabctl: you are free to add some other distro support | 15:16 |
| mkoderer | it's just a support question IMHO | 15:17 |
| bswartz | I'm less sure about LXD --- I know it's a canonical created project, but I assumed it had cross-distro support | 15:17 |
| tbarron | unblocking gate with these is fine but we ought to have truly generic solutions working by the time of release | 15:18 |
| jcsp | re. zfs, whether it's possible for some other distro to support it doesn't change the fact that today there is only one distro that does. | 15:18 |
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| dustins | tbarron: +1 | 15:18 |
| tbarron | lxd isn't supported in rhel, suse, helion | 15:18 |
| ganso | ZFS is DHSS=False, we may need at least one DHSS=True voting job | 15:18 |
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| tbarron | lxc yes | 15:18 |
| mkoderer | I think gating is fine but changing one of these to reference driver implementation would be problematic | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | jcsp:actually, two | 15:18 |
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| vponomaryov | jcsp: debian and ubuntu | 15:19 |
| toabctl | even debian doesn't have lxd. and zfs - still the license issue afaik. anyway. another discussion. | 15:19 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: helion guy told me yesterday debian doesn't have kernel support for zfs | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: driver supports fuse too | 15:19 |
| tbarron | and that they wouldn't ship it | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | also we should note that the ZFS driver itself is pure python and will run on any distro -- it just needs SSH access to something with ZFS | 15:20 |
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| tbarron | the question is what would be shipped as a complete solution | 15:20 |
| tbarron | not whether the driver could connect to something external | 15:20 |
| bswartz | yeah I agree | 15:20 |
| bswartz | we're mixing together multiple issues now though | 15:21 |
| tbarron | but this is a different topic than unblocking gate now | 15:21 |
| tbarron | bswartz: +1 | 15:21 |
| bswartz | cknight is concerned about the emergency we have in the next week | 15:21 |
| bswartz | ZFS is NOT the answer to that problem | 15:21 |
| bswartz | neither is LXD | 15:21 |
| vponomaryov | neither is generic drv | 15:21 |
| bswartz | those we will look at using for newton | 15:21 |
| bswartz | so vponomaryov what do you propose? | 15:22 |
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| ganso | with this instability I am very concerned about every patch that we keep rechecking, if they end up adding more instability, we never know because we are always rechecking and merging when jenkins finally +1 | 15:22 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: fix LVM drv instability bug | 15:22 |
| bswartz | generic has been good enough for the last 2 years -- it gives good coverage | 15:22 |
| bswartz | I agree the flakiness is unacceptable | 15:22 |
| bswartz | but I worry about lowering test coverage | 15:22 |
| dustins | Is "good enough" what we want for the future of Manila? | 15:23 |
| bswartz | how to we ensure regressions don't slip in? | 15:23 |
| bswartz | dustins: absolutely not | 15:23 |
| cknight | dustins: no, but the current situation isn't good enough | 15:23 |
| bswartz | we spent most of Mitaka trying to fix this problem and we will continue until it's really fixed | 15:23 |
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| dustins | Indeed, between a rock and a hard place :/ | 15:23 |
| bswartz | I mean one option is to turn off the gate entirely and merge whatever we feel like -- I don't think that's a reasonable approach | 15:24 |
| cknight | I think there are concurrency issues with our tests, but it's entirely possible the they are in Manila itself, in which case merging stuff by doing rechecks doesn't help anyone. | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | so where is the middle ground that gives us test coverage we're comfortable with, and reliability that's tolerable | 15:24 |
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| cknight | bswartz: We have two generic jobs that have a lot of overlap. Why not make just one voting? | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | cknight: that's a good starting point | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | just on generic driver job is more likely to pass than 2 | 15:25 |
| bswartz | one* | 15:25 |
| bswartz | however only 1 voting tempest job seems light to me | 15:25 |
| cknight | bswartz: Exactly. At the same time, we can fix the LVM issue and make it voting ASAP. That would give us DHSS=False coverage. | 15:26 |
| bswartz | in past releases we had 4 voting tempest jobs | 15:26 |
| bswartz | cknight: which order do you propose? | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | make LVM voting immediately and fix the bug after? | 15:26 |
| cknight | bswartz: good question | 15:26 |
| cknight | vponomaryov: how long to get LVM solid? | 15:26 |
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| vponomaryov | we have 3 jobs with generic driver in DHSS=True mode and can make all of them non-voting and merge stuff only when some of them passed | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | so, one voting LVM as DHSS=False | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | and one of three passed in check queue DHSS=True | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | make as requirement | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | but first -fix instability of LVM | 15:26 |
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| ganso | besides that instability, I am facing access rules concurrency only on LVM. The same code runs on generic-no-share-servers and does not have the problem | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | it's more likely to get fixed if it's a voting job | 15:27 |
| ganso | so there are 2 bugs | 15:27 |
| ganso | irc lag | 15:27 |
| ganso | whoa lots of irc lags | 15:27 |
| bswartz | yeah IRC lag | 15:27 |
| cknight | vponomaryov: interesting. I didn't know voting could be an OR operation among multiple jobs. | 15:27 |
| bswartz | I don't think vponomaryov has to be the one to fix the LVM bug | 15:27 |
| bswartz | anyone can fix it | 15:28 |
| cknight | Any volunteers? | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | is the bug captured in LP yet? | 15:28 |
| bswartz | people don't know what they're signing up for | 15:28 |
| bswartz | it's a tricky concurrency bug | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | cknight: I didn't mean technical side, I meant exactly us - people | 15:29 |
| cknight | vponomaryov: got it | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | cknight: 3 non-voting and press "workflow" only when we know it works | 15:29 |
| ganso | I am working on fixing one of the bugs, I don't know the other yet | 15:29 |
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| ganso | I see plenty of lvm-group errors when shares are being creates, don't know if that is expected or not | 15:29 |
| ganso | even on tests that pass | 15:29 |
| cknight | vponomaryov: Does the LVM bug still happen at concurrency = 1? | 15:30 |
| bswartz | it's hard to tell currecntly because LVM jobs also fail due to neutron+postgres bug | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | perhaps before it's made voting, also remove either neutron or postgres from that job | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | cknight: didn't dig up in concurrency case,but I know that it just fails to delete share that refers to absent volume | 15:31 |
| ganso | the bug I am working on does not happen at concurrency = 1, but it is a major bug, access rules get overwritten by other access rules calls | 15:31 |
| cknight | ganso: yep that's bad. I had to use locking around my new access rule code. | 15:31 |
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| ganso | cknight: I already added locking, but it still is not solving the problem, is is worrying me | 15:31 |
| ganso | s/is is/this is | 15:32 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: external locking? | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | alright let's save the LVM bug for another topic | 15:32 |
| bswartz | I want to wrap up this topic | 15:32 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: that's the next thing I am going to try | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | if anyone opposed to simply decreasing our 2 voting tempest jobs to 1? | 15:32 |
| bswartz | err | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | is anyone opposed to simply decreasing our 2 voting tempest jobs to 1? | 15:32 |
| vponomaryov | I am ok making only one voting job | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | for the moment | 15:33 |
| ganso | ok too | 15:33 |
| toabctl | so removing gate-manila-tempest-dsvm-neutron ? | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | yes | 15:33 |
| ganso | yes | 15:33 |
| cknight | Don't like it, but it's temporary. +1 | 15:33 |
| bswartz | that will make forward progress, and we can sort out the mess related to other new drivers in the mean time | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | with less coverage one | 15:33 |
| toabctl | temp. +1 | 15:33 |
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| markstur_ | +1 | 15:33 |
| markstur_ | +1 | 15:33 |
| dustins | For now, +1 | 15:33 |
| cknight | There has to be a large focus on these test failures during M.4. | 15:33 |
| xyang1 | +1 | 15:33 |
| dustins | cknight: +1 | 15:33 |
| mkoderer | +1 | 15:33 |
| bswartz | so for remainder of M-3 only voting tempest job will be gate-manila-tempest-dsvm-neutron-multibackend | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | +1 | 15:34 |
| vponomaryov | in bes case we should have "scenario" job voting )) | 15:34 |
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| vponomaryov | s/bes/best/ | 15:34 |
| mkoderer | vponomaryov: +1 :) | 15:34 |
| toabctl | vponomaryov: yeah | 15:34 |
| bswartz | and we will spend M4 making everything bulletproof that we can | 15:34 |
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| cknight | Thanks, Ben. And I would propose that no Newton features are merged at all until this is 100% behind us. | 15:34 |
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| ganso | cknight: +10000000000000000000000 | 15:35 |
| cknight | We should have the new drivers solid by then. And the test bugs fixed. | 15:35 |
| toabctl | cknight: +1 | 15:35 |
| vponomaryov | cknight: wow, it could not happen at all )) | 15:35 |
| toabctl | vponomaryov: so feeature freeze forever | 15:35 |
| vponomaryov | )) | 15:35 |
| bswartz | it sounds like we have non-technical issues to address with LXD and ZFS | 15:35 |
| ganso | toabctl: feature winter | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | I'm confident we can find a set of drivers that give us good coverage and are reliable | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | we may need to spend significant time retooling our testing workflow, but the alternative is too horrible to contemplate | 15:36 |
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| ganso | btw, don't know if any of you have noticed, but all current jobs in Zuul (manila ones at least) are stuck | 15:37 |
| cknight | ganso: yep | 15:37 |
| cknight | Anyone know why? | 15:37 |
| vponomaryov | is anyone surprised? )) | 15:37 |
| dustins | vponomaryov: lol | 15:37 |
| bswartz | I don't actually agree with full feature freeze in the mean time | 15:37 |
| ganso | bswartz: what do you mean? | 15:38 |
| bswartz | but I would propose a moratorium on significant features | 15:38 |
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| ganso | another concern is: should we prioritize our current features? | 15:38 |
| bswartz | ganso: solving this problem completely could easily take another 6 months | 15:38 |
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| ganso | bswartz: yes | 15:38 |
| cknight | ganso: they are already prioritized on launchpad | 15:38 |
| cknight | ganso: that should dictate priority of reviews | 15:39 |
| bswartz | we can't ALL be working on this problem, so other in the community should be able to make progress on smaller things | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | I really hope it doesn't take that long | 15:40 |
| cknight | bswartz: These are tricky bugs, and there are likely more than one. The more people working on them, the better. | 15:40 |
| bswartz | but we were in this spot 6 months ago and I was optimistic we'd have it fixed before christmas | 15:40 |
| bswartz | and here we are | 15:40 |
| cknight | bswartz: If we all focus on them in M.4, we have a chance to make things much better. | 15:40 |
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| ganso | cknight: are you suggesting that we ignore the bugs now and just focus on features merging? | 15:41 |
| bswartz | okay we have a plan for the next week at least | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | let's move on to the other topic that came up | 15:41 |
| cknight | ganso: no, features before the deadline. then big focus on test bugs. | 15:41 |
| bswartz | #topic LVM concurrency bug | 15:41 |
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| ganso | cknight: exactly | 15:41 |
| bswartz | so we started discussing this | 15:42 |
| bswartz | I agree it would be nice to make LVM voting asap | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | since it has a reasonably good record, except for at least one currency problem | 15:42 |
| toabctl | missed that - do we have a bug report for "the lvm bug" ? | 15:42 |
| bswartz | toabctl: that was my next question | 15:42 |
| bswartz | is this problem reported on LP or is it just in our heads | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | personally I've observed it and spent a few hours poking around | 15:43 |
| mkoderer | ok we should really track the issues in LP | 15:43 |
| cknight | bswartz: So it doesn't occur at concurrency = 1? | 15:43 |
| mkoderer | otherwise every dev will start from beginning | 15:43 |
| bswartz | initially I was under the assumption the logic flaw was in our tempest plugin but I'm less sure of that now | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | cknight: personally I haven't observed it at concurrency=1 | 15:44 |
| toabctl | mkoderer: +100 | 15:44 |
| bswartz | but I agree with vponomaryov: that testing with concurrency=1 is cheating | 15:44 |
| cknight | bswartz: OK, I'm just wondering how hard it is to repro. | 15:44 |
| bswartz | because real users don't single thread their usage of manila | 15:45 |
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| vponomaryov | cknight: use rally for LVM | 15:45 |
| ganso | bswartz: production environments are not concurrency=1 | 15:45 |
| vponomaryov | cknight: to perform load, that's all | 15:45 |
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| mkoderer | vponomaryov: is it reproducible in rally? | 15:45 |
| vponomaryov | cknight: OpenStack Rally has scenarios for DHSS=False Manila drive rmode | 15:45 |
| vponomaryov | mkoderer: I suspect it, and sure for 99,9% | 15:46 |
| bswartz | okay so I think we need to assume the bug isn't reported in LP yet | 15:46 |
| bswartz | I need a volunteer to reproduce the bug and file a bug report | 15:46 |
| vponomaryov | the one to fix it? | 15:46 |
| bswartz | then we can make progress on fixing it with multiple eyes | 15:46 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: no just to file the bug report with enough interesting details that someone can investigate | 15:47 |
| dustins | This is for the concurrency bug for the LVM driver, yeah? | 15:47 |
| vponomaryov | dustins: in our case yes | 15:47 |
| bswartz | I would volunteer myself but I've managed to overcommit myself in the short term | 15:47 |
| dustins | bswartz: If you can give me a quick overview of how to set it up, I'll volunteer | 15:48 |
| bswartz | thanks dustins | 15:48 |
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| vponomaryov | dustins: you can look at what LVM CI job does | 15:48 |
| bswartz | #action dustins will file the bug and bswartz will triage with highest possible priority | 15:48 |
| dustins | vponomaryov: I'll do that, thanks for the suggestion! | 15:49 |
| bswartz | yeah I'll get with dustins and show him where it occurs | 15:49 |
| bswartz | in CI | 15:49 |
| dustins | Sounds like a plan | 15:49 |
| bswartz | the trick is how to separate those failures from postgres+neutron failures | 15:49 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:49 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | anything else for today | 15:49 |
| ganso | weren't we going to disable neutron for LVM job? | 15:49 |
| cknight | bswartz: can't we switch to mysql for that job? | 15:49 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: +1, bswartz? | 15:50 |
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| ganso | cknight: or maybe create another job without neutron and use mysql | 15:50 |
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| ganso | and make that one voting | 15:50 |
| vponomaryov | without everything that is not used | 15:50 |
| bswartz | cknight: switching to mysql is absolutely an option, but after neutron fixes their bug I'd like to have gate coverage for postgres | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | ganso: I want to but I suspect tempest depends on neutron currently | 15:51 |
| ganso | bswartz: good point | 15:51 |
| vponomaryov | LVM job requires only Keystone from OpenStack projects | 15:51 |
| mkoderer | -1 to only vote on mysql | 15:51 |
| bswartz | has anyone attempted to run tempest without neutron? | 15:51 |
| bswartz | it's on my todo list for this afternoon | 15:51 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it should be disabled on infra side | 15:51 |
| toabctl | how can there be neutron failures if the lvm job just needs keystone? | 15:51 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: in job config | 15:51 |
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| mkoderer | bswartz: no but I can do that tomorrow | 15:52 |
| ganso | bswartz: it used to work with nova-network | 15:52 |
| vponomaryov | toabctl: it is installed by devstack by default | 15:52 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: I know how to make jenkins do it -- I'm not sure it will work though | 15:52 |
| vponomaryov | toabctl: and installation of DB for it fails | 15:52 |
| bswartz | I'd like to test it on my system first | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | does nobody run tempest on their own dev systems? | 15:52 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: sure I do | 15:52 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: flies with ZFS )) | 15:52 |
| ganso | bswartz: I do | 15:53 |
| bswartz | okay good | 15:53 |
| bswartz | do you all use neutron or not? | 15:53 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: my tea is still hot while tempest ends run | 15:53 |
| ganso | bswartz: I always do :\ | 15:53 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: yes with neutron | 15:53 |
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| mkoderer | bswartz: just give me the action item. I will have a look tomorrow | 15:53 |
| ganso | bswartz: I have never tried running without neutron | 15:53 |
| bswartz | okay so I'm still unconvinced that it's possible to run tempest without either neutron or n-net | 15:53 |
| bswartz | and n-net is NOT an option | 15:54 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: if we disable dynamic creation of tenants - should be ok | 15:54 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is quota tests in our case | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: okay so how do you skip the quota tests | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | and can those tests be modified to work without neutron? | 15:55 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281477/ | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | awesome | 15:55 |
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| vponomaryov | ^ adds possiblity to just disable them | 15:55 |
| bswartz | mkoderer: so you can try this out and let me know? | 15:55 |
| markstur_ | it has jenkins -2 | 15:55 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: yep | 15:55 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:55 |
| vponomaryov | markstur_: it is because CI was broken | 15:56 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: you'll get me feedback tomorrow EOB | 15:56 |
| bswartz | alright | 15:56 |
| bswartz | anything else for today? | 15:56 |
| cknight | bswartz: One more topic on agenda. | 15:56 |
| markstur_ | vponomaryov, so we can't fix the gate until we fix the gate? | 15:56 |
| cknight | bswartz: Mid-cycle location. | 15:56 |
| bswartz | oh it was added late | 15:56 |
| ganso | markstur_: gate is partially fixed | 15:56 |
| cknight | markstur_: Exactly :-( | 15:56 |
| bswartz | #topic Next Manila mid-cycle location | 15:56 |
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| ganso | markstur_: only postgres patches are failing | 15:57 |
| ganso | markstur_: but at this moment gate is stuck | 15:57 |
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| ganso | markstur_: not exactly broken | 15:57 |
| bswartz | yes I asked everyone to find out if they could attend a european midcycle this summer | 15:57 |
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| bswartz | cknight and I can | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | anyone else have a definite yes or no? | 15:58 |
| dustins | Looking pretty unlikely on my end | 15:58 |
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| ganso | definite no =( | 15:58 |
| markstur_ | unlikely | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | ganso: could you attend a US-based one? | 15:58 |
| ganso | bswartz: no as well | 15:58 |
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| dustins | Fortunately there's always Hangouts, etc | 15:59 |
| bswartz | if you're going to be remote no matter what then the location should matter less -- it's just a question of time zones then | 15:59 |
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| mkoderer | bswartz: f2f mid-cycles are usually much more produtive | 15:59 |
| mkoderer | but sure if nobody can make it ... makes no sense | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | mkoderer: I agree | 15:59 |
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| dustins | mkoderer: absolutely | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | but some employers are stingy about travel | 16:00 |
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| mkoderer | bswartz: I know | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | therefore we have to find a way to work without face to face time | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | okay we've over our time | 16:00 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: some? most! | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | looks like you have a bit more information mkoderer -- you should still ask other cores directly for answers | 16:01 |
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| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 25 16:01:16 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-02-25-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-02-25-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-02-25-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
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| bswartz | sorry fuel team for running late | 16:01 |
| xarses | np | 16:01 |
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| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:01 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:01 |
| xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:01 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:01 |
| xarses | Who's here? | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 25 16:01:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:01 |
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| maximov_ | hi | 16:01 |
| mwhahaha | hi | 16:01 |
| IvanBerezovskiy | hi | 16:01 |
| warpc | hi | 16:01 |
| monester | hi | 16:01 |
| akislitsky_ | hi | 16:01 |
| mihgen | hi | 16:01 |
| kszukielojc | hi | 16:01 |
| vsakharov | hi | 16:01 |
| degorenko | hi | 16:01 |
| dpyzhov | hi | 16:02 |
| aspiers | hi | 16:02 |
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| ashtokolov | hi | 16:02 |
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| pigmej | hi | 16:02 |
| angdraug | o/ | 16:02 |
| xarses | #topic action items from last week | 16:02 |
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| xarses | ashtokolov will look into increased deployment time in smoke tests | 16:02 |
| aglarendil | \o/\o/ | 16:02 |
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| yottatsa | o\ | 16:02 |
| salmon_ | hi | 16:02 |
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| ikalnitsky | o/ | 16:03 |
| igorbelikov | o/ | 16:03 |
| aglarendil | ashtokolov: is typing | 16:03 |
| fzhadaev | hi | 16:03 |
| aglarendil | please be patient | 16:03 |
| xarses | =) | 16:03 |
| aglarendil | .... | 16:03 |
| ashtokolov | we discovered one issue with apache task https://review.openstack.org/282455 | 16:03 |
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| kozhukalov | hi | 16:03 |
| agrebennikov | hi there | 16:04 |
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| ashtokolov | it was a floating issue, fix was merged | 16:04 |
| xarses | so did deployment time decrease? | 16:04 |
| xarses | or are we still facing issues there? | 16:05 |
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| aglarendil | .... | 16:05 |
| aglarendil | ashotokolov is typinh | 16:05 |
| aglarendil | .... | 16:05 |
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| mihgen | .. by letf foot :P | 16:06 |
| ashtokolov | xarses, deployment time decreased by 5-10% | 16:06 |
| aglarendil | as we expected with 4-core cpus of CI nodes | 16:06 |
| ashtokolov | sorry folks, slow wi-fi in the office | 16:06 |
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| angdraug | slower than you typing? :P | 16:06 |
| aglarendil | .... | 16:07 |
| aglarendil | ashtokolov is typing | 16:07 |
| aglarendil | .... | 16:07 |
| xarses | ok, moving | 16:07 |
| xarses | ikalnitsky holser to follow up with dnikishov on the spec for non-root https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243340/ | 16:07 |
| ikalnitsky | we have reviewed the spec | 16:07 |
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| ikalnitsky | i think the main approach is established | 16:07 |
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| ikalnitsky | so i start merging patches to fuel-web | 16:08 |
| xarses | thanks | 16:08 |
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| xarses | fzhadaev yottatsa to sync on NFV status and provide combined update | 16:08 |
| fzhadaev | Done. And vsakharov will provide our combined update | 16:08 |
| fzhadaev | :) | 16:08 |
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| xarses | thanks | 16:09 |
| fzhadaev | it's in agenda | 16:09 |
| xarses | #topic code review backlog status: http://bit.ly/1Kp8BzM (mihgen) | 16:09 |
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| mihgen | folks we lag behind | 16:09 |
| mihgen | I won't be giving actions items, but please check the link and help to move this forward | 16:10 |
| xarses | Yes, we want to keep up on our code review throughput | 16:11 |
| xarses | thanks mihgen | 16:11 |
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| xarses | #topic Using multiple OpenStack versions https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281557/ (xarses) | 16:11 |
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| xarses | oh, we've scoped it down a bit since I wrote that =) | 16:12 |
| xarses | I've been working to socialize https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281557/ so we can start versioning openstack tasks seperate of others. This led to needing to open https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284294/ (remove some of the ::openstack manifests) this also relates to the prior because some of the calls are inderected in ::openstack before making it to the puppet-openstack modules. | 16:12 |
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| xarses | questions? | 16:13 |
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| xarses | #topic feasibility of converging with upstream https://launchpad.net/openstack-resource-agents (aspiers) | 16:14 |
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| aspiers | hi | 16:14 |
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| aspiers | thanks for tolerating an outsider crash your meeting :) | 16:14 |
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| aspiers | I am the maintainer of this upstream projecct | 16:14 |
| xarses | welcome | 16:14 |
| aspiers | and I recently noticed that fuel has forked some of the OCF RAs | 16:14 |
| aglarendil | holy guacamole, Adam! welcome! | 16:14 |
| aspiers | I talked to bogdando and he suggested I raise the idea of reconvergence here | 16:15 |
| aspiers | :) | 16:15 |
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| bogdando | hi | 16:15 |
| aspiers | I think it could be a win-win situation for all | 16:15 |
| aspiers | by combining efforts | 16:15 |
| xarses | I'm for it, we have a bunch of stuff in here | 16:15 |
| xarses | that is diverged | 16:15 |
| aspiers | I am guessing the fork happened whilst the project was unmaintained and living in github.com/madkiss | 16:15 |
| bogdando | and bunch of improvements :) | 16:15 |
| bogdando | yes, few years ago | 16:16 |
| aspiers | but since then I brought it into the openstack ecosystem and we have various vendors contributing now | 16:16 |
| xarses | forgive me now knowing, what do you have for CI coverage? | 16:16 |
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| xarses | we already have the OCF installed as a RPM, so we could swap them | 16:16 |
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| aspiers | xarses: nothing right now but we have just started preliminary work on fixing that | 16:16 |
| aspiers | e.g. https://launchpad.net/bugs/1508559 | 16:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1508559 in openstack-resource-agents "Needs bashate CI" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 16:16 |
| yottatsa | aglarendil is typing | 16:16 |
| xarses | evntually, we'd want to vote, at least in regards to what we consume | 16:16 |
| angdraug | aspiers: have you seen https://ci.fuel-infra.org/view/puppet-openstack/ ? | 16:17 |
| xarses | we have a bunch of CI around beating the cluster | 16:17 |
| aglarendil | oh, common, is there anyone using non-bash shell? | 16:17 |
| bogdando | note, I have a PoC Travis CI for docker containers running a pacemaker cluster | 16:17 |
| aspiers | angdraug: no I haven't | 16:17 |
| angdraug | aglarendil: only all of Debian users :) | 16:17 |
| bogdando | this may be used as the base for OCF under tests | 16:17 |
| aspiers | bogdando: cool! | 16:17 |
| bogdando | or suchlike | 16:17 |
| aspiers | I think we definitely want unit tests too | 16:17 |
| aglarendil | angdraug: the first thing you do 'dpkg-reconfigure dash' | 16:18 |
| aspiers | although that would require mocking dependencies, and it's a pain with shell code | 16:18 |
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| aspiers | but anyway I don't mean to hijack your meeting with our future plans | 16:18 |
| bogdando | example OCF testing job https://travis-ci.org/bogdando/rabbitmq-server/builds/109353708 | 16:18 |
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| aspiers | just wanted to raise it and see if convergence potentially appeals to you guys | 16:18 |
| bogdando | JFYI | 16:18 |
| xarses | aspiers: lets prepare a ML or such, and find out who can work on this, and then we should maybe setup a meeting time to talk just about this | 16:19 |
| bogdando | my vote is +1. Although we need specs submitted, both sides | 16:19 |
| aspiers | since I think these RAs definitely have potential to be shared across many vendors | 16:19 |
| angdraug | looks like everyone is excited about the prospect of reconvergence | 16:19 |
| aspiers | xarses: makes sense | 16:19 |
| xarses | aspiers: can I put an action on you to follow up on this? | 16:19 |
| angdraug | bogdando: would you be our project's liaison with openstack-resource-agents? | 16:19 |
| aspiers | xarses: sure | 16:19 |
| aglarendil | I am +1 for convergence | 16:19 |
| bogdando | angdraug, ok | 16:20 |
| xarses | #action aspiers will create ML to find out who is interested in RA convergance and probably set up dedicated meeting for such | 16:20 |
| xarses | ok moving? | 16:20 |
| angdraug | yup | 16:20 |
| aspiers | thanks! | 16:20 |
| xarses | thanks for raising this aspiers | 16:20 |
| xarses | #topic topics for design summit in Austin https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-austin-agenda (angdraug) | 16:21 |
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| angdraug | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-austin-agenda | 16:21 |
| angdraug | me and mihgen has added session leads and required participants to the proposed topics for Austin | 16:21 |
| angdraug | please review and if you find your name on the list confirm that you can lead discussion of the topic | 16:21 |
| angdraug | if you add another topic, please leave your name in brackets so that we don't have to guess who added it | 16:21 |
| angdraug | if you see topics that are better served by online discussion or spec review, feel free to flag them | 16:21 |
| angdraug | we will finalize the high-level agenda next week, so don't wait until the week before the summit to review this | 16:21 |
| angdraug | thanks | 16:21 |
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| angdraug | moving? | 16:22 |
| aglarendil | angdraug: do we have right to propose some changes? | 16:22 |
| angdraug | of course | 16:22 |
| vkramskikh | how to > confirm that you can lead discussion of the topic ? | 16:22 |
| angdraug | vkramskikh: I think silent consent is enough | 16:23 |
| angdraug | object if you see your name against something you don't know enough about | 16:23 |
| angdraug | or if you think someone else should be there | 16:23 |
| angdraug | aglarendil: what kind of changes do you have in mind? | 16:24 |
| aglarendil | angdraug: finalizing HA reference architecture with power management and proper event-based control | 16:24 |
| xarses | aglarendil: add a ~victim~ owner | 16:25 |
| aglarendil | me! | 16:25 |
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| aglarendil | mi-mi-mi | 16:25 |
| xarses | ok moving | 16:26 |
| xarses | #topic Plugins v5 status (ikutukov) | 16:26 |
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| ikutukov | Plugins v5 features: | 16:26 |
| ikutukov | - deployment tasks v2.0.0 is used as only task version | 16:26 |
| ikutukov | ikalnitsky asked us to implement: | 16:26 |
| ikutukov | - per-release configuration including deployment graph | 16:26 |
| ikutukov | And request from our services: | 16:26 |
| ikutukov | - configuration folders and custom paths support | 16:26 |
| ikutukov | Spec review: | 16:26 |
| ikutukov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271417/ | 16:27 |
| xarses | This came up form a conversation that I had with some one working on a plugin. The wanted to know when the v5 version and tags would be ready so that they can finalize the metadata for their 9.0 plugins | 16:27 |
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| mihgen | will we be able to make it before FF.. ? | 16:28 |
| ikalnitsky | xarses: tags? you meant repo tag? | 16:28 |
| xarses | well as of yesterday, 5.0 wasn't merged | 16:28 |
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| ikalnitsky | mihgen: i think only nailgun part must be ready before ff. fuel-plugin-builder has untied release cycle | 16:28 |
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| xarses | in fuel-plugins or rpm for fuel-plugin-builder | 16:28 |
| ikalnitsky | xarses: yeah. i want to release current master on pypi | 16:29 |
| ikalnitsky | i'm waiting for merging my patch to openstack-infra | 16:29 |
| ikalnitsky | that pushes new rlease to pypi once tag is pushed | 16:29 |
| xarses | ikalnitsky: also, I noticed we don't have recent tags or branches for 7.0 or 8.0 | 16:29 |
| ikalnitsky | xarses: that's because we have untied from Fuel release cycle | 16:30 |
| xarses | but there are no tags for 4.0 then | 16:30 |
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| ikalnitsky | yes | 16:30 |
| ikutukov | #ikalnitskiy its hard, but there are some chances to make nailgun support before SCF, some part of the FPB is on review but it's not possible to finish work on FPB before SCF | 16:30 |
| ikalnitsky | i will push it once this patch is merged | 16:30 |
| ikalnitsky | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283683/ | 16:30 |
| xarses | wait, 4.0 version on fuel-plugins == v5 plugin support? | 16:31 |
| ikalnitsky | nope | 16:31 |
| ikalnitsky | 4.0 = v4 plugins | 16:32 |
| ikalnitsky | make a release on pypi | 16:32 |
| ikalnitsky | merge v5 to master | 16:32 |
| xarses | ok, this is all confusing | 16:33 |
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| xarses | I will follow up after the meeting | 16:33 |
| ikalnitsky | ok | 16:33 |
| xarses | #topic move ceph/public to Fuel Storage by default https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284467/ (agrebennikov) | 16:33 |
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| agrebennikov | It happened on the number of customers where we had to do dirty hack and replace ceph/public and ceph/replication net assignments to fuel networks | 16:33 |
| agrebennikov | огые нуыеуквфн ыфьу куйгуые | 16:34 |
| agrebennikov | ooops)) | 16:34 |
| agrebennikov | just yesterday - same request one more time | 16:34 |
| agrebennikov | is possible to do it with templates, but there is no reason to ever mix item with openstack management | 16:34 |
| agrebennikov | usually customers have slow interfaces for public/mgmt and fast interfaces for storage. so lets place entire ceph traffic to storage and let the user to split ceph traffic with net templates when necessary | 16:34 |
| angdraug | objections anyone? | 16:34 |
| xarses | +1 from me | 16:35 |
| agrebennikov | basically ceph doesn't even Require cluster network | 16:35 |
| mihgen | do we have a bug for it.. ? | 16:35 |
| agrebennikov | but xarses said it is impossible to test cases "have cluster"/"no cluster net" | 16:35 |
| agrebennikov | we do | 16:35 |
| angdraug | mihgen: linked from the commit | 16:35 |
| mihgen | I'd get ceph folks to review.. | 16:36 |
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| agrebennikov | ok | 16:36 |
| angdraug | mihgen: please invite the right people to +1 | 16:36 |
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| mihgen | I'll follow up with them | 16:36 |
| xarses | thanks for raising this agrebennikov | 16:36 |
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| agrebennikov | np | 16:37 |
| agrebennikov | thanks guys, leaving | 16:37 |
| xarses | #topic UI Team status (vkramskikh) | 16:37 |
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| vkramskikh | Hi! Here is our status for 9.0 features: | 16:37 |
| vkramskikh | 1) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/remove-vendor-code - the removal request has been merged; request to restore them in the downstream is still in progress - expected to be merged soon after restructuring the code. | 16:37 |
| vkramskikh | 2) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/allow-choosing-nodes-for-provisioning-and-deployment - the first part (separate provisioning) was merged, separate deployment and choosing nodes are going to land soon. | 16:37 |
| vkramskikh | 3) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/separate-fuel-ui-repo - separate test runner was merged, but still doesn't work in case of separate repo; still unsure if we could make it before FF. | 16:37 |
| vkramskikh | 4) NFV stuff - implementation for node attributes (for Nova and DPDK CPU pinning) is close to be implemented and merged; other changes (topology representation and interface screen changes) still require working API before we can merge UI changes. | 16:37 |
| vkramskikh | Questions? | 16:37 |
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| xarses | seems no, thanks for the update | 16:39 |
| kozhukalov | >>> but still doesn't work in case of separate repo | 16:39 |
| kozhukalov | i 'll check it later today | 16:39 |
| kozhukalov | i believe nothing serious | 16:39 |
| angdraug | thanks kozhukalov | 16:39 |
| angdraug | moving on? | 16:40 |
| xarses | #topic Bugfix team status (dpyzhov) | 16:40 |
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| dpyzhov | hi guys | 16:40 |
| dpyzhov | we all good with 8.0 release, as you know | 16:40 |
| dpyzhov | for high priority bugs we have constant number of bugs in python | 16:40 |
| mihgen | angdraug: releasing?.. | 16:41 |
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| dpyzhov | and we solving library bugs as they appear | 16:41 |
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| dpyzhov | but we have lack of python guys right now | 16:41 |
| dpyzhov | and we have 100 medium priority bugs in python | 16:42 |
| dpyzhov | and 3 weeks before SCF | 16:42 |
| mihgen | :( | 16:42 |
| dpyzhov | library guys are helping with python | 16:42 |
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| dpyzhov | but they have limited expertise and also they have their tasks | 16:43 |
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| angdraug | mihgen: yes on releasing 8.0 | 16:43 |
| angdraug | bookwar: ^ | 16:43 |
| dpyzhov | it doesn't look like we'll be able to get good progress with medium priority bugs in 9.0 and most of them will be moved to 10.0 | 16:43 |
| angdraug | we don't have much time to introduce new medium bugs, either... | 16:44 |
| xarses | dpyzhov: it sounds like we need to prioritize them over an iteration in 10, since we will have a longer cycle | 16:44 |
| dpyzhov | 2/3 of medium priority bugs were moved from 8.0 release | 16:44 |
| angdraug | dpyzhov: do you mean 1/3 of medium bugs were fixed in 8.0, or that 1/3 of currently open medium bugs were introduced in 9.0? | 16:45 |
| mihgen | folks there many other topics in agenda, time.. | 16:45 |
| xarses | lets try to work out how we can knock them down in 10, we don't have time for 9.0 either | 16:46 |
| dpyzhov | 1/3 of currently open medium bugs were submitted after 8.0 SCF | 16:46 |
| dpyzhov | that's all that I wanted to highlight | 16:46 |
| xarses | #topic Fuel + Solar integration (pigmej) | 16:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Fuel + Solar integration (pigmej) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:46 | |
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| pigmej | Hey | 16:47 |
| pigmej | As you may now we should integrate solar with fuel in 9.0. Integration in 9.0 will be very experimental and it will not affect fuel except: https://review.openstack.org/283600. | 16:47 |
| pigmej | We will introduce 2 new packages (and some dependencies) in Centos7, these dependencies are already packaged and available in mos-master. | 16:47 |
| pigmej | Predicted UX: | 16:47 |
| pigmej | - user will need to install 2 rpm packages: solar and fuel2solar | 16:47 |
| pigmej | - user will configure everything in fuel-web and then switch to solar CLI before clicking "deploy" button | 16:47 |
| pigmej | 16:47 | |
| pigmej | Current plan is to: | 16:47 |
| pigmej | 1. create fuel-spec about introducing these 2 additional packages (and requirements), this spec will not requre any QA activities, | 16:47 |
| pigmej | 2. then should we describe everything again in openstack-dev ML | 16:47 |
| pigmej | 3. describe this everything in fuel docs | 16:47 |
| pigmej | 16:47 | |
| pigmej | 16:47 | |
| pigmej | Or maybe instead fuel-spec in 1 could we just create blueprint with pretty much the same content ? | 16:47 |
| ashtokolov | pigmej do we need to land any patches to nailgun before FF to make it work? | 16:49 |
| xarses | do we even need to introduce the packages onto the ISO? can we just leave them in the fuel mirror? | 16:49 |
| kozhukalov | another q is should we put these two packages on the iso (i think we should) | 16:49 |
| pigmej | ashtokolov: https://review.openstack.org/283600 this is only one required | 16:49 |
| mihgen | if it's just about adding a couple of packages to the mirror, then I don't think we need a spec for it | 16:49 |
| dshulyak | ashtokolov: one patch, that extends nailgun api | 16:49 |
| dshulyak | ashtokolov: i believe same thing you was describing 2 months ago | 16:49 |
| pigmej | solar package is already in mos-master, requirements are there also | 16:49 |
| kozhukalov | xarses: by default we use local mirror (unfortunately) | 16:50 |
| kozhukalov | so we'd better place these packages on iso | 16:50 |
| xarses | kozhukalov: we have fuel centos mirror on the fuel-master | 16:50 |
| ashtokolov | dshulyak you mean serialised graph and deployment info? | 16:50 |
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| xarses | even with deb, we still have the fuel-mirror in the repo list | 16:51 |
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| pigmej | for now we have just rpms | 16:51 |
| xarses | anyway, we need to move | 16:51 |
| xarses | thank pigmej | 16:51 |
| xarses | #topic Telco Team Status + NFV (vsakharov) | 16:51 |
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| vsakharov | Hi all. | 16:52 |
| vsakharov | For now, Telco team has three main activities for 9.0: | 16:52 |
| vsakharov | 1) Support NFV features: | 16:52 |
| vsakharov | 1.1) Huge pages [1] | 16:52 |
| vsakharov | 1.2) NUMA/CPU pinning [2] | 16:52 |
| kozhukalov | xarses: you mean let's leave this to a user to download these packages using fuel-mirror? | 16:52 |
| vsakharov | 1.3) SR-IOV [3] | 16:52 |
| dshulyak | ashtokolov: yes, but deployent info is already available using existing handlers, that patch adds is only for serialized graph | 16:52 |
| vsakharov | 1.4) DPDK [4] | 16:52 |
| vsakharov | All specs were merged. 10 patches merged, 17 - on review | 16:52 |
| vsakharov | 2) Daemon Resource Allocation Control [5] | 16:52 |
| dshulyak | sorry | 16:52 |
| vsakharov | Spec is merged. 4 patches are on review. | 16:52 |
| vsakharov | 3) Removing Mirantis-specific code from fuel code | 16:52 |
| vsakharov | 3 patches are merged. | 16:52 |
| vsakharov | [1] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/support-hugepages | 16:52 |
| vsakharov | [2] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/support-numa-cpu-pinning | 16:52 |
| vsakharov | [3] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/support-sriov | 16:52 |
| vsakharov | [4] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/support-dpdk | 16:52 |
| vsakharov | [5] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/cgroups | 16:52 |
| vsakharov | Any questions? | 16:52 |
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| xarses | kozhukalov: yes, we don't need to include it in the release that way, its just packages sitting on the internet | 16:52 |
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| mihgen | pigmej: I think you'd at least need to raise this in ML, and then see if spec/whatever is needed.. | 16:53 |
| xarses | vsakharov: whats at risk for feature freeze? | 16:53 |
| dklenov | DPDK with high risk | 16:54 |
| pigmej | mihgen: I will post the same on ML then, and we will see what will happen. | 16:54 |
| dklenov | all other fuel related - with medium | 16:54 |
| dklenov | merging is going a bit slow :( | 16:54 |
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| yottatsa | xarses we're expecting to merge library and agent #link http://bit.ly/1oCR2Jt before FF | 16:54 |
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| xarses | #action pigmej will post on the ML with regards to solar packages merge | 16:54 |
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| mihgen | any creative ideas to metigate it / speed up review/merge? | 16:54 |
| xarses | vsakharov: dkalleg yottatsa thanks | 16:55 |
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| xarses | #topic Network team status (alex_didenko) | 16:55 |
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| alex_didenko1 | Our team is working on the following features. | 16:56 |
| alex_didenko1 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/allow-any-vip - requires some changes in spec and design, working on them, patches are on review. Spec change and email to ML are in TODO. This feature looks good so far. | 16:56 |
| alex_didenko1 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/support-sriov - Only library patches are in good shape, no patches merged in other projects. So this feature is in red state (risk of not landing till FF is above average) | 16:56 |
| alex_didenko1 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/support-dpdk - Even library patches are not yet ready to be merged (but they are on review though). This one is red also (risk of not landing till FF is very hight). | 16:56 |
| alex_didenko1 | some more details on NFV :) | 16:56 |
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| alex_didenko1 | Done | 16:57 |
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| yottatsa | yep, we're stuck with nailgun | 16:57 |
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| ikalnitsky | yottatsa: what's that? | 16:57 |
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| mihgen | there are 5 topics left. Should those be followed up over email, since we won't be able to discuss all of them now.. ? | 16:58 |
| xarses | #topic Nonroot feature status (dnikishov | 16:58 |
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| dnikishov | hi | 16:58 |
| wayward710 | _ hi | 16:58 |
| dnikishov | as ikalnitsky mentioned, there are few merged patches for fuel-web | 16:59 |
| xarses | mihgen: probably | 16:59 |
| dnikishov | the plan is to get non-vital commits merged first and coordinate the rest with infra | 16:59 |
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| mihgen | are you getting help for library patches? | 16:59 |
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| xarses | we are out of time guys | 17:00 |
| dnikishov | yes, I've got some reviews | 17:00 |
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| xarses | please follow up on the remaining items on the ML | 17:00 |
| ikalnitsky | here's the list of patches to be merged in first order and in second | 17:00 |
| ikalnitsky | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nonroot-safe-merging | 17:00 |
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| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:00 |
| LHinds | hi * | 17:00 |
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| xarses | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 25 17:00:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-02-25-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| michaelxin | hi | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-02-25-16.01.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-02-25-16.01.log.html | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak | #startmeeting security | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 25 17:01:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmcpeak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:01 | |
| wayward710 | Hi | 17:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:01 |
| elmiko | heyo/ | 17:01 |
| cjschaef | hi | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak | #chair hyakuhei | 17:01 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: hyakuhei | 17:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak | 17:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 17:01 |
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| michaelxin | hi,all | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | yo, what's up everybody | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | we'll give a couple minutes to get people in | 17:02 |
| * hyakuhei is here but still in previous meeting - you see the agenda? | 17:02 | |
| tmcpeak | no, where's that? | 17:02 |
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| elmiko | tmcpeak, hyakuhei, approve my pull request! =D | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-20160225-agenda | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | ok I'll run this until hyakuhei finishes other meeting | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | so I think we had BYOK follow up | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | we'll defer | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | all the way to… Anchor | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | although we have none of the Anchor's around either | 17:03 |
| elmiko | added blog XD | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | #topic Bandit | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | ok we've got a lot of good changes coming | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | still working toward 1.0 | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | browne, cjschaef, myself, tkelsey and others have been pushing some good work | 17:04 |
| elmiko | +1 | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | we're still on track there | 17:04 |
| bknudson | +1 | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | one thing we could use is some testing | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | so if anybody has some time to play with Bandit and find (and report) bugs, that would be awesome | 17:05 |
| LHinds | I can do that | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | LHinds: awesome, thank you! | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:05 |
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| cjschaef | I will play with it some too, now that my test coverage work is winding down | 17:05 |
| LHinds | I ran it against some of my own code, and it found a lot, so owe it back ;-] | 17:05 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:06 |
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| tmcpeak | cjschaef: great, thank you! | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool, probably not much else to say on Bandit this week | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Sec Guide | 17:06 |
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| tmcpeak | elmiko: sicarie | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | take it away | 17:06 |
| elmiko | i don't think there is much to report here | 17:06 |
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| sicarie | +1 | 17:06 |
| michaelxin | -1 | 17:06 |
| sicarie | Not much progress this week | 17:07 |
| michaelxin | :-) | 17:07 |
| elmiko | we are still working towards the pdf re-release, and closing some bug | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | allright, might have a quicker meeting then ;) | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Syntribos | 17:07 |
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| tmcpeak | michaelxin and co | 17:07 |
| michaelxin | We added some blueprints about what we want to do | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | how's this coming? | 17:07 |
| michaelxin | Michael Dong has been working on some features. | 17:07 |
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| michaelxin | We are also updating the docs | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | sweet, summary? | 17:08 |
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| michaelxin | We will use it testing Solum next week | 17:08 |
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| elmiko | nice | 17:08 |
| michaelxin | summary: We are working on it. | 17:08 |
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| tmcpeak | fair enough | 17:08 |
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| tmcpeak | ok then.. | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | hmm, trying to think what we should talk about without Rob | 17:09 |
| michaelxin | summit? | 17:09 |
| elmiko | blog? | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | he'll probably want to discuss that too ;) | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | sure blog | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Blog | 17:09 |
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| michaelxin | When will they announce talks accepted for the summit? | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | ok anybody have any cool stuff they want to write about? | 17:10 |
| elmiko | i put a post up for the blog, please accept it =D | 17:10 |
| michaelxin | elmiko: +1 | 17:10 |
| elmiko | (i refrained from just pushing it myself) | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | oh yeah? | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | you don't have mergy juice elmiko? | 17:10 |
| elmiko | oh, i do. just wanted to be more democratic about it | 17:10 |
| browne | link? | 17:11 |
| elmiko | #link https://github.com/openstack-security/openstack-security.github.io/pull/13 | 17:11 |
| ysm | ylinux01 | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | elmiko: just push when you think it's ready | 17:11 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: i wanted to make sure that you and hyakuhei were good with it first | 17:11 |
| * tmcpeak reads | 17:11 | |
| elmiko | ok, i'll give folks sometime to check it out and merge later if there are no comments | 17:12 |
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| michaelxin | good job | 17:12 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 17:12 |
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| tmcpeak | elmiko: this is awesome! | 17:13 |
| elmiko | =D | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | mergies! | 17:13 |
| LHinds | +1 | 17:13 |
| LHinds | looks good | 17:13 |
| elmiko | ok, i'll just merge now then | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | this is awesome elmiko | 17:13 |
| elmiko | thanks tmcpeak | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool, up next… | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | oh let's do CORS | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | #topic CORS | 17:14 |
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| tmcpeak | did anybody get a chance to look at this? | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | I did | 17:14 |
| singlethink | I did | 17:15 |
| singlethink | (spec, docs, not code) | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool, what's your thoughts singlethink | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | I only looked at the spec | 17:15 |
| singlethink | First blush: it sounds like a reasonable solution | 17:15 |
| michaelxin | link? | 17:15 |
| singlethink | basically... centralizing access to APIs from web browser | 17:15 |
| elmiko | i looked as well | 17:15 |
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| singlethink | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-specs/specs/cors-support.html | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | I understand the use however it really seems like the kind of thing that needs to be well thought out | 17:15 |
| michaelxin | Thanks. | 17:15 |
| singlethink | instead of each project maintaining their own api proxy | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | this would probably be a good use of a OSSP threat model | 17:16 |
| singlethink | also #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.middleware/cors.html | 17:16 |
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| singlethink | Yes... I agree it's security critical | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | yeah and they keep mentioning that it has to be done carefully and projects need to be aware of security implications | 17:16 |
| elmiko | i think a common location for cors middleware would be great, it would also save krotscheck the time of updating all the paste deploy scripts ;) | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | that's the kind of thing we can help with | 17:16 |
| singlethink | I also think that it deserves some coverage in the security guide (and maybe Bandit) | 17:16 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah we should definitely produce some guidance about this | 17:17 |
| krotscheck | Eh? | 17:17 |
| singlethink | discussing CORS middleware | 17:17 |
| elmiko | krotscheck: we're talking about http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-specs/specs/cors-support.html | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | I'm wondering if this should be a design session at the summit | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | Sup, sorry - ran a little long | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | Please continue :) | 17:17 |
| krotscheck | Righto | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | hey hyakuhei, saved the parts I thought you'd want to be on for you | 17:17 |
| michaelxin | a threat model is cool idea | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | Cheers | 17:18 |
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| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: did you read the CORS thing? | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | you'll want to check this out: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-specs/specs/cors-support.html | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | curious for your take | 17:18 |
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| hyakuhei | Just reading up on it now | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | gmurphy also agrees this should be one with care | 17:18 |
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| tmcpeak | (pasted link in my team channel last week) | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | well, that’s scary. | 17:19 |
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| tmcpeak | heh yeah | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | that was my gut thought too | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | I don’t fully understand how it applies to middleware as opposed to the more typical browser example. | 17:19 |
| * krotscheck would like to note that he doesn't have the context-relevant vocabulary, so as he says things that sound weird, please ask for him to define what his brain things those words mean. | 17:19 | |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: I'd like to do a threat model for this in a design session | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | Seems fair | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | two birds with one stone, etc | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | sure | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Summit room request | 17:20 |
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| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: | 17:21 |
| elmiko | it would be a good example to illustrate how the flow of traffic works, imo (re:CORS) | 17:21 |
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| krotscheck | I'd be happy to act as SME for that and explain it. | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: yeah, one of the things I'd like to put together in TA | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | good diagrams, data flows, etc | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | Sounds good to me, fishbowl or working room? | 17:21 |
| elmiko | +1, krotscheck, tmcpeak ;) | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | krotscheck: ahh cool | 17:21 |
| elmiko | i'd vote working room | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | are you involved with this? | 17:22 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: he wrote that spec | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | oooh | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | perfect | 17:22 |
| elmiko | hehe | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | exciting times. | 17:22 |
| krotscheck | tmcpeak: I wrote the spec. And all the patches. That are currently already in Mitaka | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | ok perfect | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | yeah we'll need you then | 17:22 |
| krotscheck | tmcpeak: That are under discussion AGAIN. | 17:22 |
| elmiko | he's also been updating all the api-paste.ini files for projects that use them to include the necessary options for CORS support | 17:22 |
| * krotscheck didn't realize the horse was still alive. | 17:22 | |
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| krotscheck | elmiko: And it looks like I get to revert all those. | 17:23 |
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| elmiko | /sadpanda | 17:23 |
| krotscheck | elmiko: No biggie. The application default options really should be pregenerated in the config file,. | 17:23 |
| elmiko | that makes sense | 17:24 |
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| krotscheck | Anyway: Yes, assuming I'm going to the summit (95% likely, unless daycare falls through) I'll be more than happy to describe CORS to you. | 17:24 |
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| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:24 |
| elmiko | but the real issue here is not horizon talking to the services, but new browser based apps that will need to make requests directly against api servers, right? | 17:24 |
| elmiko | or, indirectly, i suppose | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | A lot of what horizon does actually falls away with CORS in favor of browser-side operation | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | which is kinda interesting | 17:25 |
| elmiko | yea | 17:25 |
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| krotscheck | Yep | 17:26 |
| elmiko | it seems to me we are enabling more growth of applications that can talk to the api servers with improved CORS support | 17:26 |
| elmiko | just a good thing to do | 17:26 |
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| elmiko | anyways, sorry for the derail | 17:27 |
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| tmcpeak | it's a good discussion, but we should also have it face to face to be effective I think | 17:27 |
| elmiko | +1 | 17:27 |
| nsun | +1 | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:27 |
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| tmcpeak | so summit rooms for real | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: what'd you have in mind? | 17:28 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok, so we get to request rooms | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | Last summit we had 2 fishbowl, 2 working | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | and used all of them | 17:28 |
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| tmcpeak | what do we have in mind? | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | Bandit again? | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | TA | 17:29 |
| elmiko | imo, TA should be a fishbowl | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:29 |
| elmiko | maybe bandit too, we had a full house last time | 17:29 |
| elmiko | i dunno | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | Though we could also have a working room for TA:Cors | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | I’d be happy to do both | 17:29 |
| elmiko | +1 | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | ok so those two, what else? | 17:29 |
| elmiko | a working room for CORS.* seems appropriate | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | So yeah, if you want a fishbowl or a working room for your pet project put it on the etherpad | 17:30 |
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| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: did Doug do any talks, and/or do you think he'll be at summit? | 17:30 |
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| * elmiko adding distributed scale attacks to list.... | 17:30 | |
| tmcpeak | if we're doing Killick things could be worth one | 17:30 |
| elmiko | j/k | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: Doug did, no idea if it’ll be included | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | (I actually have an idea as a track chair, but my lips are sealed, muwhahaha) | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | ok, maybe we'll need to circle back on this a couple of times | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: when do you need to know by? | 17:31 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: oooh, nice | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | I’ve put in a provisional request for 3x3 | 17:31 |
| elmiko | i wonder if we could expand the Anchor, Killick stuff to a more broad topic on PKI in general? | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: yeah, that's probably a good way to slice it | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah that would be interesting | 17:32 |
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| michaelxin | which etherpad? | 17:32 |
| elmiko | i know Anchor is an OSSP baby, but i would be lax on my duties if i didn't at least advocate for a discussion of all options *cough*dogtag/ipa*cough* | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | :D | 17:32 |
| elmiko | ;) | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | holy war, holy war | 17:32 |
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| elmiko | haha | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | Good point | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | maybe we can just have bare knuckle boxing and sort this out for once | 17:33 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | Though I have thoughts on pushing Anchor up as a general service ala AWS ACM | 17:33 |
| elmiko | +1, imo Anchor is cool | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | which would be very different (and require more adherence to OpenStack idiomatic API etc) | 17:33 |
| elmiko | i just think we should avoid becoming a one-solution-fits-all organ | 17:33 |
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| elmiko | hyakuhei: yea... about that ;) | 17:34 |
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| hyakuhei | elmiko: I agree | 17:34 |
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| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | onward? | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | please | 17:35 |
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| elmiko | was there a different link for the summit etherpad? | 17:35 |
| michaelxin | a link? | 17:35 |
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| tmcpeak | #topic PTL Elections | 17:36 |
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| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: what'd you want to do here? | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | I'm happy with "Rob 4 prez" as we've done in the past | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | Make sure people know there’s an election cycle coming up in about a month | 17:36 |
| elmiko | michaelxin: re: "[12:30] < hyakuhei> So yeah, if you want a fishbowl or a working room for your pet project put it on the etherpad" | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | Work out who I need to kneecap/pay off etc. | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | but they probably want us to do the whole process | 17:36 |
| elmiko | haha | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | elmiko: michaelxin: Just the agenda one for now | 17:36 |
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| * tmcpeak <— pay | 17:36 | |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: ack, tahnks | 17:36 |
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| michaelxin | Thanks. | 17:37 |
| * elmiko <- no kneecap, please | 17:37 | |
| hyakuhei | It’s not a big discussion, helps me with numbers, I’ll petition Theirry and we’ll see what we get | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | Remove both kneecaps, roger that! | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | Anyway yeah, last time around the PTL elections slipped us by. I wanted to make sure everyone knows this time | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | ok, anything we have to do? | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | or just hyakuhei actions? | 17:38 |
| michaelxin | Do we need to vote? | 17:38 |
| elmiko | i think just hyakuhei, and any rivals, need to make posts to the ML right? | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | We need to add ourselves to a yml file these days I think | 17:38 |
| elmiko | also, added room requests to the agenda | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | Process doesn’t open for a while. | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | elmiko: TY | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | does anybody want to run? | 17:39 |
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| elmiko | i'm happy to continue with our BDFL | 17:40 |
| browne | not really, but are there multiple PTLs for the OSSP projects? | 17:40 |
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| browne | like bandit vs achor? | 17:40 |
| elmiko | browne: good point | 17:40 |
| browne | anchor | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | Not really just code leads / cores | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | I think subprojects don't get cores generally in OS | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | is that right? | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | We can spin projects out into full blown “openstack things” if required | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | sorry PTL's | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: correct | 17:41 |
| browne | oh, but i think of bandit as a project (at least that way in Gerrit). | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | yeah Bandit potentially should be separate | 17:41 |
| elmiko | yea, bandit is really growing to the point it should have full project status, imo | 17:41 |
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| hyakuhei | PTL is mainly here to do things like arrange the summit, make sure meetings happen, push agenda upstream etc. Maybe a discussion we should have at the summit is spinning out Bandit | 17:42 |
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| michaelxin | lots of work :) | 17:42 |
| browne | i was more curious of the organization. not suggesting anything. its been working as is | 17:42 |
| elmiko | hmm, to that extent, then the other projects may not make sense to spin off | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | “Status” is a relative term now that we have a big tent model, it’s not the rubber stamp that it used to be but it’s certainly I’d be open to | 17:42 |
| browne | but if someone wanted to be a PTL of Bandit or whatever | 17:42 |
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| hyakuhei | In the words of my former boss | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | “You can call yourself whatever the hell you want so long as you don’t want any more money" | 17:43 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: yea, and bandit as an openstack project i don't means as much. but in the wider F/OSS community i think bandit definitely has legs. | 17:43 |
| michaelxin | haha | 17:43 |
| elmiko | s/don't means/don't think means/ | 17:43 |
| michaelxin | elmiko: +1 | 17:43 |
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| hyakuhei | Sounds like a good discussion to have f2f | 17:43 |
| elmiko | +1 | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | possibly including beer | 17:44 |
| elmiko | +2 | 17:44 |
| LHinds | does bandit have its own channel? (sorry if off-topic) | 17:44 |
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| elmiko | no | 17:44 |
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| tmcpeak | ++ | 17:44 |
| elmiko | maybe it's time is coming though ;) | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | LHinds: #openstack-security works I think | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | not too crowded in there | 17:44 |
| LHinds | k, thanks tmcpeak | 17:44 |
| elmiko | aside from the random bot ;) | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | the bot adds character | 17:45 |
| elmiko | true | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | ok, let's see | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | anything else we want to cover? | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | maybe AOB now? | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | #topic AOB | 17:45 |
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| michaelxin | when will they announce talk schedule? | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: you know? | 17:46 |
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| hyakuhei | Oh not for a few weeks at least | 17:46 |
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| hyakuhei | Don’t have to close out our chair discussions until next week | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | There’s normally a 2 week tail on that before they’re announced | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | but I don’t know the details | 17:47 |
| michaelxin | thanks. | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | #action hyakuhei to check when the sched is announced | 17:47 |
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| tmcpeak | allright, anything else? | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | might wrap early today | 17:48 |
| michaelxin | cool. Thanks. | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271517/ | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | oh yeah | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | Rob had a follow up from last time | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | ^ thats all | 17:49 |
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| tmcpeak | cool | 17:50 |
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| tmcpeak | allright, time to wrap? | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | #endmeeting | 17:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:50 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 25 17:50:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-02-25-17.01.html | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | thanks everybody! | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-02-25-17.01.txt | 17:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-02-25-17.01.log.html | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | have a good week :) | 17:50 |
| elmiko | thanks tmcpeak | 17:50 |
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| LHinds | thanks all | 17:51 |
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| michaelxin | thanks | 17:51 |
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