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| toabctl | dirk: ping | 13:03 |
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| * IgorYozhikov here | 13:04 | |
| dirk | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 3 13:05:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dirk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:05 |
| dirk | toabctl, dirk, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jruzicka : ping | 13:06 |
| toabctl | hi | 13:06 |
| mivanov | hi | 13:07 |
| dirk | please review / check the agenda on | 13:07 |
| dirk | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:07 |
| dirk | hi everyone btw :) | 13:07 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, hello | 13:07 |
| dirk | can we start? | 13:09 |
| dirk | #topic automatic version updates from global-requirements and/or extra yaml file ? | 13:09 |
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| toabctl | I think that was an idea from you, dirk. | 13:10 |
| dirk | ah right | 13:10 |
| dirk | ok | 13:10 |
| toabctl | given that we are way to slow with new specs and also in updating specs, wen need to improve automation | 13:10 |
| IgorYozhikov | mivanov, is working on refactoring of similar tool | 13:10 |
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| toabctl | mivanov: can you describe the tool a bit? | 13:11 |
| IgorYozhikov | it is comparing erquirements.txt and required from spec | 13:11 |
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| mivanov | yes, this tool compare requirements from python projects and rpm specs | 13:12 |
| mivanov | and search diff between it | 13:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | initially tool was designed as reporter to team about what was changed in upstream code against our downstream specs | 13:12 |
| dirk | #link https://github.com/openSUSE/obs-service-python_requires | 13:13 |
| toabctl | does it add/remove requirements? and/or update versions ? | 13:13 |
| dirk | this is our version of the same tool :) | 13:13 |
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| toabctl | dirk: but even with that tool we would be to slow. imo the only thing we should do is to add Requires and BuildRequires to the correct package/subpackage. versions should be handled automatically. | 13:14 |
| dirk | toabctl: right | 13:14 |
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| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, mivanov: do you have a link to the current code? | 13:14 |
| mivanov | no, my tool just search differences, but doesn't autoupdate spec | 13:14 |
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| dirk | toabctl: imho this comes back to extending renderspec to read the requires/buildrequires per package from a yaml and we generate those yamls | 13:15 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, let me check, not sure that our current repo is open | 13:15 |
| toabctl | dirk: yes. and I would even go one step further and add the abbility to read from a global-requirements if no one for a specific package is given | 13:15 |
| toabctl | so basically 1) read a yaml file next to the spec 2) read a global yaml file | 13:16 |
| IgorYozhikov | repos are private, but we already working to make them public and moving code to dedicated name-space in our gerrit | 13:17 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, mivanov: what do you think about the idea to read required versions from yaml files? converting from requirements.txt to a yaml file would be really simple. | 13:17 |
| IgorYozhikov | in a couple of days it will be accessible | 13:17 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, why yaml? it looks like additional thing between requitements.txt and spec | 13:18 |
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| dirk | we could also extract the package's requirements*txt directly | 13:18 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, toabctl - also we are working on reqspec - http://paste.openstack.org/show/489139/ | 13:19 |
| toabctl | yeah. but we need to process the content (python versions, platforms, optionals,...) | 13:19 |
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| IgorYozhikov | it will be accessible soon too | 13:19 |
| toabctl | I think the main point would be that py2pkg can read requirement files and add the versions. so there's no need to update the spec.j2 when a version changes. | 13:20 |
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| dirk | yeah | 13:21 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, nice point - auto fill for versions | 13:21 |
| * dirk isn't sure how to conclude the topic | 13:21 | |
| dirk | what is the next step? | 13:21 |
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| IgorYozhikov | anyway - further investigation required here aka brainstorm | 13:22 |
| toabctl | my intention was todo some brainstorm now :) | 13:22 |
| toabctl | but it takes to much time I guess | 13:23 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok | 13:23 |
| dirk | my main issue is that I am a bit short on time now :) | 13:23 |
| IgorYozhikov | agree | 13:23 |
| toabctl | so my plan would be to extend py2pkg to read a extra file (I'm fine with requirements.txt) and autofill the versions. | 13:23 |
| dirk | can we revisit this topic next week o? | 13:23 |
| toabctl | ok. next week is fine, too | 13:23 |
| dirk | toabctl: yes either py2pkg or renderspec | 13:23 |
| toabctl | dirk: py2pkg is renderspec | 13:23 |
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| dirk | ah, d'oh | 13:24 |
| IgorYozhikov | cool, and we also could rework this during 7-9 of March :) | 13:24 |
| toabctl | I mean the contextfunction called py2pkg. not the python module pymod2pkg :) | 13:24 |
| dirk | toabctl: yep | 13:24 |
| dirk | ok | 13:24 |
| dirk | patches accepted :) | 13:24 |
| dirk | #agreed revisit topic in Mitaka Bughunt sprint days | 13:25 |
| dirk | #topic howto handle changelogs ? | 13:25 |
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| dirk | did I bring that topic up? I am personally aiming for a git log of the subdirectory , e.g. the git summary | 13:26 |
| toabctl | I just wanted some ideas if the changelog is out of scope for rpm-packaging or if we plan todo somethign with it? | 13:26 |
| dirk | do we want to maintain a separate changelog? | 13:26 |
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| dirk | toabctl: e.g. a ChangeLog kind of file besides the .spec.j2 ? | 13:26 |
| toabctl | dirk: I added it but we talked shortly about it iirc | 13:26 |
| toabctl | dirk: I don't know. | 13:26 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, we are posting the last 10 log entries from git into package change log | 13:27 |
| toabctl | but then we are missing the changes from the python module itself. | 13:27 |
| toabctl | so when updating i.e. oslo.log we don't have the ChangeLog entries from oslo.log . just from rpm-packaging/openstack/oslo.log . that's imo bad | 13:28 |
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| IgorYozhikov | but this is done by our build machine, so it is automated | 13:28 |
| dirk | toabctl: hmm. good point | 13:28 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov: so you would mergre both changes? | 13:28 |
| toabctl | we basically have 2 changes - the spec file and the "upstream project" | 13:29 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: but only from git? or do you extract additional changelogs? | 13:29 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, our build machine extract from git history entries and inset them into %Changelog in spec, changelogs from code non touched and packaged | 13:30 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I want to say - it is automated process. | 13:31 |
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| dirk | ok, thanks for the explanation | 13:33 |
| dirk | so you're missing hte upstream changelog in the .changes file | 13:33 |
| IgorYozhikov | So I do not see how can we handle | maintain SPEC Changelog records in manual way with data from code | 13:33 |
| dirk | which is a problem for SUSE. we are asked by policy to include upstream changelog | 13:33 |
| dirk | toabctl: I guess we need to find a way to do that, maybe by adding it to the git commit message and extracting it or by adding it as a changelog in the directory :/ | 13:34 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, may be it will be better to merge records | 13:34 |
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| IgorYozhikov | spec -> obs ->code changelog >> SPEC changelog -> build | 13:34 |
| toabctl | dirk: or with a source service. the tarball with the ChangeLog is anyway there | 13:35 |
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| toabctl | anyway - let's postpone it. we may find a SUSE solution for that. | 13:36 |
| dirk | agreed | 13:36 |
| dirk | #action dirk figure out solution for changelog extraction problem | 13:36 |
| dirk | topic beta tags handling in templates aka Version: 12.0.0 vs tag 12.0.0.0b2 | 13:36 |
| dirk | #topic beta tags handling in templates aka Version: 12.0.0 vs tag 12.0.0.0b2 | 13:36 |
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| dirk | hehe. I see toabctl you tried to use the spec files :) | 13:37 |
| IgorYozhikov | yes, my one | 13:37 |
| dirk | ah, IgorYozhikov | 13:37 |
| toabctl | dirk: ? | 13:37 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: so basically we need a translation for python to rpm package version | 13:37 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: are you good with using '~' ? | 13:37 |
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| IgorYozhikov | here I want to clarify | 13:37 |
| toabctl | ~ works since rpm 4.10 | 13:37 |
| dirk | we're automatically translating the .b2 version to ~b2 | 13:37 |
| IgorYozhikov | yes - that is exactly what we are already using | 13:38 |
| dirk | which means "smaller than .0" | 13:38 |
| dirk | ok, so we need to implement that | 13:38 |
| IgorYozhikov | 12.0.0.0b2 -> 12.0.0~b2 | 13:38 |
| dirk | in renderspec | 13:38 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, ^^ | 13:38 |
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| dirk | it is similar to the epoch problem anyway. we need to set the epoch of the package from the epoch definiton of the distro | 13:38 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, so using 12.0.0~b2 is ok for you? | 13:40 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov: yes. we are using it | 13:40 |
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| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, https://github.com/openstack/fuel-mirror/blob/master/perestroika/convert_version.py | 13:41 |
| IgorYozhikov | we are too | 13:41 |
| dirk | ok, so we're in agreement | 13:41 |
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| IgorYozhikov | so, am I right that we could use this approach in templates? | 13:42 |
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| toabctl | IgorYozhikov: I need to check. there's no testsuite for it :) | 13:42 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, thanks | 13:43 |
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| toabctl | btw. there was also a short discussion about the topic on the openstack-dev list. there is a "python setup.py rpm_version" (which produces bad output) | 13:44 |
| dirk | lol | 13:44 |
| toabctl | anyway - so using "~" seems to be fine for everybody. | 13:45 |
| IgorYozhikov | YeY | 13:45 |
| dirk | yeah, so we need to implement a filter in renderspec and leave the implementation there? | 13:45 |
| toabctl | not really wrong but for 2.0.0dev3 something like 1.999999999999999dev3 or so :-) | 13:45 |
| dirk | #agreed converting rpm package versions using the '~' approach | 13:45 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: toabctl : can you two figure out which implementation of set_version to use? and send a PR ? | 13:46 |
| dirk | changerequest to renderspec? | 13:46 |
| dirk | #topic SysV init, upstart & systemd units - where to store(non code parts but required stuff)? | 13:46 |
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| toabctl | IgorYozhikov: btw. are your .spec files you produce somewhere public available? | 13:46 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, will check and update you later | 13:47 |
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| toabctl | thx | 13:47 |
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| IgorYozhikov | OK, this one topic is mine too | 13:48 |
| IgorYozhikov | very soon we will meet so called "server packages" | 13:48 |
| IgorYozhikov | OpenStack services/daemons | 13:49 |
| toabctl | "very soon" is very optimistic:-) | 13:49 |
| dirk | it depends a bit on the reviews topic.. :) | 13:49 |
| toabctl | sorry for interrupting - go ahead igor .. | 13:49 |
| IgorYozhikov | anyway, we need to get understanding - what & how | 13:49 |
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| dirk | well, we need to have systemd files for SLES at least | 13:50 |
| IgorYozhikov | storing near j2 in corresponding folders? | 13:50 |
| dirk | are you asking whether we should standardize on only one service ? | 13:50 |
| dirk | or do you ask whether we need to have a vendor subdir to store specific files in there? | 13:50 |
| toabctl | preferable theses files are included in the projects itself I think | 13:50 |
| IgorYozhikov | I'm ok with systemd units, but where to store? | 13:50 |
| dirk | same git dir, just besides the spec.j2 ? | 13:51 |
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| toabctl | ok. looks like that only one (networking-cisco) has upstream service files | 13:51 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, does SUSE sysd units differ from centos? | 13:52 |
| toabctl | +1 for same git dir beside the spec.j2 | 13:52 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov: I'm pretty sure, yes | 13:52 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: probably yes in small details | 13:52 |
| dirk | I haven't looked at them in detail | 13:52 |
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| toabctl | IgorYozhikov: given that you want to start using the packages in newton - do you still need sysv init scripts? or is systemd enough? | 13:52 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok - so + additional changes | 13:52 |
| dirk | I am more focused on getting to the goal of python-openstackclient | 13:52 |
| toabctl | even ubuntu 16.04 will be using systemd | 13:53 |
| dirk | reached. service packages are not yet in my goal | 13:53 |
| IgorYozhikov | Source1: {{'something.unit' | systemd }} | 13:53 |
| toabctl | dirk: yeah. I agree. | 13:53 |
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| IgorYozhikov | where filter will just translate spec-style into folder | 13:54 |
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| IgorYozhikov | example: openstack/nova/nova.spec.j2, openstack/nova/suse/unit.N , openstack/nova/fedora/unit.N | 13:54 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: could be done, yes | 13:55 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, dirk ^^^^ | 13:55 |
| dirk | I like the idea | 13:55 |
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| dirk | although I would call it | flavorprefix | 13:55 |
| dirk | or something like that | 13:55 |
| dirk | to make it reusable for others | 13:55 |
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| toabctl | ah. yeah. sounds good | 13:55 |
| dirk | we also need to have a {{ if flavor == }} at some point | 13:55 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: want to send a patch and we move the discussion there? | 13:56 |
| * dirk is running out of time :( | 13:56 | |
| IgorYozhikov | will try | 13:56 |
| IgorYozhikov | mine AI | 13:56 |
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| IgorYozhikov | lets proceed with topics | 13:56 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, add please AI 4 me | 13:57 |
| dirk | #action IgorYozhikov send CR for flavor-specific subdirectory handling in renderspec | 13:57 |
| dirk | #topic reviews :-) | 13:57 |
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| IgorYozhikov | , openstack/nova/suse/unit.N | 13:57 |
| toabctl | ok. would be cool to get this merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273528/13 | 13:57 |
| IgorYozhikov | sorry :) | 13:57 |
| dirk | since we have a hard stop in 3 minutes, agree to handle that in #openstack-rpm-packaging? | 13:57 |
| IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270427/ | 13:58 |
| toabctl | test passed - the build job had just a timeout afacs | 13:58 |
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| toabctl | and a easy one would be renderspec docs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287022/ | 13:58 |
| dirk | I need to leave, please continue without me | 13:58 |
| dirk | in #openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:58 |
| dirk | #endmeeting | 13:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 3 13:58:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-03-03-13.05.html | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-03-03-13.05.txt | 13:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-03-03-13.05.log.html | 13:59 |
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| ddieterly | #startmeeting freezer | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 3 14:02:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ddieterly. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:02 |
| daemontool_ | hi all | 14:02 |
| ddieterly | hi everybody, again | 14:02 |
| daemontool_ | o/ | 14:02 |
| ddieterly | o/ | 14:02 |
| ddieterly | daemontool_: don't you want to run the mtg? | 14:03 |
| daemontool_ | sure | 14:03 |
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| ddieterly | yea, you should | 14:03 |
| EinstCrazy | ping zhangjn | 14:03 |
| ddieterly | go for it | 14:03 |
| daemontool_ | #topic Incremental volumes backup | 14:03 |
| yangyapeng | ping zhangjn | 14:03 |
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| zhurong | 0/ | 14:04 |
| yangyapeng | ping zhurong | 14:04 |
| reldan | \0 | 14:04 |
| daemontool_ | meetings notes and topics available at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:04 |
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| daemontool_ | first it Incremental volumes backup | 14:04 |
| daemontool_ | s/it/is/ | 14:05 |
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| EinstCrazy | Well, cinder native backup support incremental , can we use it ? | 14:05 |
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| daemontool_ | EinstCrazy, yes, we already use it | 14:05 |
| daemontool_ | reldan, did the firs timplementation | 14:05 |
| daemontool_ | that's from mitaka | 14:05 |
| daemontool_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276685/ | 14:06 |
| daemontool_ | now | 14:06 |
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| daemontool_ | I think there we need at least to improvement | 14:06 |
| daemontool_ | 1) backup of the volume metadata | 14:06 |
| daemontool_ | 2) backup deletion and retention | 14:06 |
| daemontool_ | reldan, last time you mentinoed few points to clarify | 14:06 |
| daemontool_ | regards 1 | 14:06 |
| daemontool_ | like where are we going to store the metadata | 14:07 |
| EinstCrazy | you mean we need to store the metadata of native backup? | 14:07 |
| daemontool_ | right? | 14:07 |
| daemontool_ | yes | 14:07 |
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| daemontool_ | reference http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/blockstorage_volume_backups.html | 14:07 |
| reldan | daemontool_: Yes, I would like to have a common structure for cinder/nova and fs backups | 14:07 |
| reldan | daemontool_: Because now - is something absolutely different | 14:07 |
| daemontool_ | reldan, yes | 14:08 |
| daemontool_ | ok | 14:08 |
| EinstCrazy | we've a base class now, haven't we? | 14:08 |
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| reldan | EinstCrazy: Yes, for fs backups. But not for cinder and nova | 14:09 |
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| reldan | For cinder native - we actually don’t write any information by our own | 14:09 |
| reldan | only api call | 14:10 |
| daemontool_ | reldan, yes, that's a feature we need to have | 14:10 |
| yangyapeng | :( | 14:10 |
| daemontool_ | we basically needs to wrap around the existing | 14:10 |
| daemontool_ | cinder backup apis | 14:10 |
| reldan | daemontool_: Yes, we have it now. But probably we should keep information in our own storage | 14:10 |
| reldan | Like metadata about backup | 14:11 |
| reldan | we need to have a common structure for this metadata | 14:11 |
| EinstCrazy | But what if someone delete the backup by cinder api? | 14:11 |
| daemontool_ | reldan, yes | 14:11 |
| reldan | and inside this metadata we can have let’s say field type: {cinder, cinder-native, nova, fs, ...} | 14:11 |
| daemontool_ | EinstCrazy, concurrency is an issue | 14:11 |
| daemontool_ | reldan, ++ | 14:11 |
| yangyapeng | We need to upload the swift after the backup | 14:11 |
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| reldan | I believe we should define metadata format | 14:12 |
| EinstCrazy | I think we need to think a sync of metadata | 14:12 |
| daemontool_ | yangyapeng, do you mean upload the metadata to swift? | 14:12 |
| reldan | daemontool_, yangyapeng: I suppose to any storage - swift, local, ssh ... | 14:12 |
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| EinstCrazy | he means upload the backup itself and metadata | 14:12 |
| daemontool_ | reldan, yes | 14:13 |
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| yangyapeng | yes | 14:13 |
| daemontool_ | EinstCrazy, if we use the cinder api to execute backups | 14:13 |
| reldan | and inside this metadata we should have information for restore | 14:13 |
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| daemontool_ | can't remember.... | 14:14 |
| daemontool_ | reldan, do you remember per chance | 14:14 |
| daemontool_ | if cinder store directly the volumes backup to swift | 14:14 |
| daemontool_ | or pass thru glance? | 14:14 |
| reldan | daemontool_: cinder native - directly to swift or ceph, our version - through glance | 14:14 |
| daemontool_ | ok | 14:15 |
| daemontool_ | ty | 14:15 |
| EinstCrazy | I think the data itself should not be manager by cinder and freezer both | 14:15 |
| daemontool_ | EinstCrazy, I agree they are two different way of doing backups | 14:15 |
| yangyapeng | Not only depends on the cinder | 14:15 |
| daemontool_ | with cindr native | 14:15 |
| daemontool_ | we just use the cinder api | 14:15 |
| daemontool_ | while with the cinder backup we create a snapshot, upload to glance | 14:16 |
| daemontool_ | and process with the freezer-agent from there | 14:16 |
| EinstCrazy | we may sync the metadata in time? | 14:16 |
| daemontool_ | EinstCrazy, we can | 14:16 |
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| daemontool_ | the reason we need to backup the metadata | 14:16 |
| daemontool_ | is because if we have it, we are able to restore the volume | 14:16 |
| EinstCrazy | yes, I agree | 14:17 |
| daemontool_ | even on a new openstack cloud deployment | 14:17 |
| daemontool_ | only for that | 14:17 |
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| daemontool_ | so | 14:17 |
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| daemontool_ | please correct me if I'm wrong | 14:17 |
| daemontool_ | steps are | 14:17 |
| daemontool_ | 1) define common metadata | 14:17 |
| daemontool_ | 2) include metadata backup for cinder native | 14:17 |
| daemontool_ | 3) provide in cinder native features to retrieve the backup list, delete and backup retention | 14:18 |
| zhangjn | where is the voluem metadata store? | 14:18 |
| daemontool_ | in one of the media storage supported by freezer | 14:18 |
| daemontool_ | such as | 14:18 |
| EinstCrazy | I've a question, why we use elasticsearch? | 14:18 |
| daemontool_ | swift, ssh node, local fs | 14:18 |
| daemontool_ | EinstCrazy, that's a different topic | 14:18 |
| daemontool_ | let's iron this out first | 14:18 |
| daemontool_ | does that 3 steps make sense_ | 14:19 |
| daemontool_ | ? | 14:19 |
| daemontool_ | I'd also add | 14:19 |
| reldan | for me yes | 14:19 |
| daemontool_ | 4) store metadata in the freezer-api if avaialble | 14:19 |
| daemontool_ | all good with this? | 14:19 |
| slashme | EinstCrazy: Because we took a bad decision at some point | 14:19 |
| daemontool_ | slashme, I disagree | 14:19 |
| daemontool_ | but we let's first close the current topic please | 14:20 |
| EinstCrazy | yes | 14:20 |
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| daemontool_ | so EinstCrazy zhangjn yangyapeng do you want to be involved on the design and implementation of that? | 14:20 |
| daemontool_ | I mean the 4 points mentioned? | 14:20 |
| zhangjn | I think the volume metadata will be stored in database. | 14:20 |
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| slashme | Question | 14:21 |
| daemontool_ | zhangjn, what happen if you do not have the freezer-api available? | 14:21 |
| slashme | Does that mean than any type of backup would be able to store its backup metadata in freezer's db ? | 14:21 |
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| daemontool_ | slashme, I think that should be the case, but not a blocker if not | 14:22 |
| daemontool_ | the metadata should be in the storage media | 14:22 |
| daemontool_ | and the api | 14:22 |
| daemontool_ | I think | 14:22 |
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| EinstCrazy | we may use a single db for each agent in a cluster | 14:22 |
| slashme | Just to be sure, we are talking about the backup metadata (ie tar, ...) or the execution metadata ? | 14:22 |
| daemontool_ | in this case | 14:23 |
| daemontool_ | is volume metadata | 14:23 |
| daemontool_ | so probably is comparable to the tar/rsycn metadata | 14:23 |
| zhangjn | freezer is a backup/restore service. if this service crash, we haven't recovery anything. | 14:23 |
| slashme | Okay, that's what I understood. | 14:23 |
| daemontool_ | zhangjn, exactly, so it's important to have also the metadata in the storage media | 14:23 |
| yangyapeng | yes i agree | 14:24 |
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| slashme | So we would have a new parameter like store_backup_metadata=freezer_db/storage_media | 14:24 |
| daemontool_ | zhangjn, yangyapeng EinstCrazy anyone of you is interested on working on this with reldan ? | 14:24 |
| slashme | ? | 14:24 |
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| EinstCrazy | yes, we may work on this | 14:24 |
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| daemontool_ | slashme, probably not, we should store it in the api and storage media used | 14:24 |
| daemontool_ | always | 14:25 |
| daemontool_ | if the api are not available | 14:25 |
| daemontool_ | metadata should be stored only in the media storage | 14:25 |
| daemontool_ | I'm saying this, because | 14:25 |
| daemontool_ | if we provide that option, we give the opportunity to the user to shoot on his/her foots | 14:25 |
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| daemontool_ | am I the only one to see that risk? | 14:26 |
| slashme | What about a backup with 10 000 files ? Aren't metadata size going to be an issue ? | 14:26 |
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| reldan | I can define new metadata. Unfortunatelly I still have no requirements about tenant. So I can consider for now, that we have only fs backup with mysql, msserver, mongo, cinder-native, cinder and nova backups | 14:26 |
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| reldan | We should have 2 types of metadata. 1) Freezer metadata 2) tar specific, volume specific, ... | 14:27 |
| daemontool_ | slashme, to store them where? in the api? | 14:27 |
| slashme | yes, in the api | 14:27 |
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| daemontool_ | the list of files probably shouldn't be stored in the api | 14:27 |
| reldan | we shouldn’t store tar metadata in api | 14:27 |
| daemontool_ | exactly | 14:27 |
| daemontool_ | it should be stored as compressed binary | 14:28 |
| daemontool_ | inly in the storage media | 14:28 |
| daemontool_ | s/inly/only/ | 14:28 |
| reldan | daemontool_: +1 | 14:28 |
| slashme | Okay, Then that means the storing of backup metadata (not execution ones) in the api would be limited to volume backup ? | 14:28 |
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| daemontool_ | I thin kwe have to store common metadata backups | 14:28 |
| daemontool_ | for all thebackups | 14:28 |
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| daemontool_ | but probably we have to decide | 14:28 |
| daemontool_ | the limit | 14:28 |
| daemontool_ | the verbosity | 14:29 |
| reldan | for cinder backup - i would prefer to store cinder specific backup on storage | 14:29 |
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| reldan | and only freezer metadata in api | 14:29 |
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| daemontool_ | reldan, information like volume uuid and things like that? | 14:29 |
| slashme | Reldan this is what we do with tar. No ? | 14:29 |
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| daemontool_ | slashme, yes | 14:29 |
| reldan | yes | 14:29 |
| slashme | So we keep the same behaviour with cinder ? | 14:30 |
| reldan | It may be something like: type: cinder-native, uuid: … | 14:30 |
| reldan | yes | 14:30 |
| reldan | we would like to have common format for freezer metadata | 14:30 |
| slashme | +1 to that then | 14:30 |
| daemontool_ | ok | 14:30 |
| daemontool_ | can we move to the next topic? | 14:30 |
| reldan | it should be common for tar/cinder/nova/cinder-native/mysql/... | 14:30 |
| zhangjn | +1 reldan | 14:30 |
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| reldan | yes, we can I suppose. | 14:31 |
| daemontool_ | #topic Nova instances incremental backups | 14:31 |
| zhangjn | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tenant-backup | 14:31 |
| daemontool_ | most of the considerations from previous topic apply | 14:31 |
| daemontool_ | zhangjn, tyu | 14:31 |
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| daemontool_ | so | 14:33 |
| daemontool_ | frescof, are you on? | 14:33 |
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| daemontool_ | ok we need fresco on thi | 14:34 |
| daemontool_ | s | 14:34 |
| daemontool_ | next topic | 14:34 |
| daemontool_ | #topic Disaster recovery BP | 14:34 |
| daemontool_ | what's the status of this? | 14:34 |
| daemontool_ | frescof, ^^ | 14:34 |
| slashme | We are still discussing this | 14:35 |
| daemontool_ | it is possible to add the consideration in the review? | 14:35 |
| slashme | It can't definitly not be implemented in the way described in the BP. | 14:35 |
| daemontool_ | ok | 14:35 |
| slashme | For the same reason we exposed before | 14:35 |
| daemontool_ | so we need to add there the reasons | 14:35 |
| daemontool_ | add the considerations | 14:36 |
| slashme | But we figured an idea | 14:36 |
| daemontool_ | send the bp to the community | 14:36 |
| daemontool_ | and get feedback | 14:36 |
| daemontool_ | slashme, that's fantastic | 14:36 |
| daemontool_ | but we need to get that added to the review | 14:36 |
| daemontool_ | it's very important | 14:36 |
| daemontool_ | cause this is a big feature | 14:36 |
| daemontool_ | let's discuss that offline on #openstack-freezer | 14:36 |
| slashme | Idealy I would like that topic to be freezer until the midcycle | 14:36 |
| daemontool_ | ok? | 14:36 |
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| slashme | s/freezed/freezer/ | 14:37 |
| daemontool_ | ok | 14:37 |
| daemontool_ | np | 14:37 |
| daemontool_ | let's do that | 14:37 |
| daemontool_ | movign forward | 14:37 |
| daemontool_ | #topic Block based incremental rsync based | 14:37 |
| daemontool_ | so I'm working on this | 14:37 |
| daemontool_ | by the next meeting Thu | 14:37 |
| daemontool_ | we have a first review availabole | 14:37 |
| slashme | Nice. | 14:37 |
| daemontool_ | now it's easier after reldan abstraction classes | 14:37 |
| daemontool_ | this is a blocker for nova incrementals | 14:38 |
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| daemontool_ | so we need it | 14:38 |
| daemontool_ | I can focus on it now | 14:38 |
| slashme | I have a question about this. | 14:38 |
| zhangjn | Nice | 14:38 |
| daemontool_ | slashme, yes | 14:38 |
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| slashme | What kind of performance increase are we talking about with pypy ? | 14:38 |
| daemontool_ | like 10x | 14:38 |
| slashme | My point is, is rsync based backup still viable without it ? | 14:39 |
| daemontool_ | it depends | 14:39 |
| slashme | if it is only 10 times I'd say yes | 14:39 |
| daemontool_ | slashme, if you have | 14:39 |
| daemontool_ | files let's say | 14:39 |
| daemontool_ | of 1 MB | 14:39 |
| daemontool_ | and then 50MB are appended to it | 14:39 |
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| daemontool_ | the thing is bloody slow | 14:40 |
| m3m0 | can we use a different interpreter ? or are we bound to cpython only? | 14:40 |
| daemontool_ | that's the use case were pypy is really needed | 14:40 |
| daemontool_ | I don't know, I've tried with pypy and it is fast | 14:40 |
| daemontool_ | but let's have the code working | 14:40 |
| daemontool_ | then we can optimize later on | 14:40 |
| slashme | yes | 14:40 |
| slashme | thx for the precision | 14:40 |
| daemontool_ | :) | 14:40 |
| daemontool_ | next | 14:40 |
| daemontool_ | #topic tempest tests | 14:41 |
| daemontool_ | ddieterly, ^^ | 14:41 |
| daemontool_ | any comments on that? | 14:41 |
| ddieterly | yes | 14:41 |
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| daemontool_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287369/ | 14:41 |
| ddieterly | i'm still trying to determine if the tess are actually being run in the gate | 14:41 |
| ddieterly | if they are, great | 14:41 |
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| daemontool_ | ddieterly, whichi tests_ | 14:41 |
| daemontool_ | ? | 14:41 |
| ddieterly | tempest | 14:41 |
| daemontool_ | the ones listed in that patch? | 14:41 |
| daemontool_ | I don't think they are executed | 14:42 |
| ddieterly | yes, there is only one tests | 14:42 |
| ddieterly | right | 14:42 |
| daemontool_ | not sure but the tests in that directory | 14:42 |
| daemontool_ | are not executed | 14:42 |
| ddieterly | i need to get that one test to execute | 14:42 |
| daemontool_ | ok | 14:42 |
| ddieterly | then we can add more | 14:42 |
| daemontool_ | I'll take a look lter | 14:42 |
| daemontool_ | later | 14:42 |
| daemontool_ | also | 14:42 |
| daemontool_ | anything to add? | 14:42 |
| ddieterly | no | 14:42 |
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| ddieterly | well, if anyone knows how to get project-config to execute the tempest plugin tests that would be great | 14:43 |
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| daemontool_ | I think the solution is in tox | 14:43 |
| ddieterly | i added a new gate job for the api | 14:43 |
| daemontool_ | ah ok | 14:44 |
| ddieterly | no, i don't think so | 14:44 |
| daemontool_ | I'll take a look at it | 14:44 |
| EinstCrazy | we need to add some project in the project-config | 14:44 |
| daemontool_ | ok | 14:44 |
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| daemontool_ | next topic | 14:44 |
| daemontool_ | #topic python-freezerclient new repo adn package creation | 14:44 |
| daemontool_ | what needs to be done for the python-freezerclient? | 14:45 |
| daemontool_ | m3m0, ^^ | 14:45 |
| m3m0 | so far the ui is using the python-freezerclient | 14:45 |
| m3m0 | is not complete yet but is progressing quite well | 14:45 |
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| daemontool_ | so next steps are | 14:45 |
| daemontool_ | 1) create pypi package | 14:45 |
| m3m0 | also the cliff is very nice as well | 14:45 |
| daemontool_ | 2) create the new repo | 14:45 |
| daemontool_ | 3) have the freezer-scheduler use it | 14:46 |
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| m3m0 | the next steps are to create the pypi repo and openstack/python-freezerclient repo | 14:46 |
| daemontool_ | 4) we need to write all the documentation for it | 14:46 |
| daemontool_ | ok | 14:46 |
| m3m0 | and I'm adding the sphinx docs as well | 14:46 |
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| slashme | One big question on this one. Do we try to have it in Mitaka ? | 14:46 |
| m3m0 | daemontool | 14:47 |
| daemontool_ | slashme, yes | 14:47 |
| m3m0 | ^^ | 14:47 |
| slashme | My opinion is yes as well | 14:47 |
| daemontool_ | m3m0, does is preserve the git history? | 14:47 |
| m3m0 | yes it does | 14:47 |
| daemontool_ | ok | 14:47 |
| daemontool_ | m3m0, are the tests that were availble in apiclient | 14:47 |
| daemontool_ | currently used in python-freezerclient? | 14:47 |
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| m3m0 | yes, but I need to get the history for them as well | 14:48 |
| daemontool_ | then let me know | 14:48 |
| daemontool_ | when that is done please | 14:48 |
| m3m0 | sure, I will | 14:49 |
| daemontool_ | anythin to add to this topic? | 14:49 |
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| m3m0 | no | 14:49 |
| daemontool_ | next | 14:49 |
| daemontool_ | #topic specs repo | 14:49 |
| daemontool_ | we have the repo | 14:49 |
| daemontool_ | https://github.com/openstack/freezer-specs | 14:49 |
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| daemontool_ | so please use that for specs | 14:49 |
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| daemontool_ | I'm goign to add some other info | 14:49 |
| daemontool_ | and the structure | 14:49 |
| daemontool_ | likely the other openstack projects | 14:49 |
| daemontool_ | explaining also the process | 14:49 |
| daemontool_ | anything to add to this topic? | 14:49 |
| slashme | About the specs | 14:49 |
| daemontool_ | slashme, yes | 14:50 |
| daemontool_ | ? | 14:50 |
| EinstCrazy | I think we need a sample for this | 14:50 |
| daemontool_ | EinstCrazy, yes | 14:51 |
| zhangjn | referance https://github.com/openstack/nova-specs | 14:51 |
| slashme | What is the process ? Add a spec with general description of a feature/architecture, When it is merged, then write extensive blueprint with how implementation will work ? | 14:51 |
| daemontool_ | I'll write that in that repo README | 14:51 |
| slashme | Or is it the opposite ? | 14:51 |
| daemontool_ | we'll use the same approach as nova https://github.com/openstack/nova-specs | 14:51 |
| daemontool_ | before gerrit, merged approved, than launchpad | 14:51 |
| daemontool_ | from my point of view | 14:52 |
| daemontool_ | the bp | 14:52 |
| daemontool_ | as more information it have | 14:52 |
| daemontool_ | better is | 14:52 |
| zhangjn | use sphinx formant and publish to http://specs.openstack.org | 14:52 |
| slashme | Okay. +1 to that | 14:52 |
| daemontool_ | zhangjn, ++ | 14:52 |
| daemontool_ | I'll add it by EOW | 14:52 |
| daemontool_ | anything else to dd to this topic? | 14:52 |
| daemontool_ | next | 14:52 |
| daemontool_ | #topic what needs to be done for Mitaka 3? | 14:52 |
| daemontool_ | tentative> | 14:53 |
| daemontool_ | 1) rsync | 14:53 |
| daemontool_ | 2) backup metadata | 14:53 |
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| daemontool_ | 3) cinder backup metadata | 14:53 |
| daemontool_ | 4) python-freezerclient | 14:53 |
| daemontool_ | 5) tempest | 14:53 |
| daemontool_ | sounds? | 14:53 |
| slashme | list_backup command | 14:53 |
| daemontool_ | 6) list_backup | 14:53 |
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| daemontool_ | from the python-freezerclient | 14:53 |
| m3m0 | 6 is already included | 14:54 |
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| daemontool_ | so | 14:55 |
| daemontool_ | anything to add | 14:55 |
| daemontool_ | ? | 14:55 |
| daemontool_ | moving next | 14:55 |
| daemontool_ | #topic When are we going to freeze features for Mitaka? | 14:55 |
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| daemontool_ | Friday 18th of March? | 14:56 |
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| daemontool_ | we need to respect http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/schedule.html | 14:56 |
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| daemontool_ | ok so if there are no objection let's set that date | 14:57 |
| daemontool_ | anything to add? | 14:57 |
| daemontool_ | next | 14:57 |
| daemontool_ | #topic #topic Easier to use devstack installation freezer，Including the tempest test, etc | 14:58 |
| daemontool_ | zhangjn, ^^ do you have any input on this? | 14:58 |
| daemontool_ | yangyapeng, ^^? | 14:58 |
| daemontool_ | I totally agree | 14:58 |
| yangyapeng | :) | 14:58 |
| daemontool_ | :) | 14:58 |
| daemontool_ | yangyapeng, do you want to take ownership of this? | 14:59 |
| daemontool_ | we are running out of time | 14:59 |
| daemontool_ | let's have this discussion at #openstack-freezer | 14:59 |
| zhangjn | OK | 14:59 |
| yangyapeng | ok | 14:59 |
| zhangjn | have no time to discussion. | 14:59 |
| daemontool_ | #endmeeting freezer | 14:59 |
| slashme | thx daemontool_ | 14:59 |
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| daemontool_ | ok meeting is over, thanks all | 15:00 |
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| ddieterly | ciao | 15:00 |
| zhangjn | thx daemontool | 15:00 |
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| daemontool_ | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
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| ganso | test | 15:03 |
| gouthamr | you passed | 15:03 |
| ganso | gouthamr: lol | 15:03 |
| xyang1 | meeting? | 15:03 |
| dustins | Glad I wasn't the only paranoid that my IRC client was bugged out | 15:04 |
| ganso | thought there was IRC lag | 15:04 |
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| toabctl | hi | 15:04 |
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| csaba | hi | 15:04 |
| dustins | \o | 15:04 |
| toabctl | was the meeting already started ? | 15:04 |
| gouthamr | welcome to the freezer meeting | 15:04 |
| ganso | toabctl: no | 15:04 |
| dustins | nope | 15:04 |
| toabctl | ok :-) | 15:04 |
| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:04 |
| openstack | bswartz: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 15:04 |
| Yogi1 | hi | 15:04 |
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| toabctl | hi | 15:04 |
| aovchinnikov | hi | 15:04 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:04 |
| ameade | o/ | 15:04 |
| * bswartz slaps openstack around a bit with a large trout | 15:04 | |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:05 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:05 |
| dustins | lol | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:05 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 3 15:05:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:05 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-03-03-14.02.html | 15:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-03-03-14.02.txt | 15:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-03-03-14.02.log.html | 15:05 |
| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 3 15:05:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:05 | |
| toabctl | hey :) | 15:05 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:05 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:05 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:05 |
| ganso | hello | 15:05 |
| bswartz | much better | 15:05 |
| csaba | hi | 15:05 |
| ameade | ha | 15:05 |
| markstur | hi | 15:05 |
| dustins | Jokes on the Freezer guys, they get our random banter at the end of their minutes :D | 15:05 |
| dustins | Joke's* | 15:05 |
| dustins | Hey all | 15:05 |
| bswartz | alright there is only 1 priority today | 15:06 |
| bswartz | we have to tag the milestone and some stuff isn't merged yet | 15:06 |
| Poornima | hi | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | so I'm going to cover the items I know about any if I miss anything please chime in | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | #topic migration code | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/250518 | 15:06 |
| ganso | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250515/ | 15:07 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250515/ | 15:07 |
| bswartz | okay client is rebased | 15:07 |
| bswartz | server is waiting for recheck | 15:07 |
| bswartz | I think this one is fine except for recheck hell | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | #topic tegile driver | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278169/ | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | I believe this one is fine, just waiting for +1 from tegile CI, since it failed the last run | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | the CI has been stable for weeks though | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | #topic ceph driver | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274952/ | 15:09 |
| bswartz | there's problems with the client patch | 15:09 |
| bswartz | who is fixing this? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | rraga? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | rraja? | 15:09 |
| rraja | bswartz: i'm working on it. | 15:09 |
| gouthamr | rraja: i'm just consulting with cFouts who did the wraps implementation in manilaclient | 15:10 |
| bswartz | rraja: this won't take more than a few minutes right? | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | rraja: we'll help you resolve that issue... sorry for the delay | 15:10 |
| bswartz | oh, is there more than I realize? | 15:10 |
| rraja | bswartz: i've been closely working with the help of gouthamr and ganso to get to the right approach | 15:10 |
| bswartz | how far away are we from having a successful patch? | 15:11 |
| rraja | bswartz: there were some issues that need to be sorted out. | 15:11 |
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| ganso | rraja: is there any functional issue to sort out? | 15:11 |
| bswartz | rraja: I'm looking for a number -- an amount of time | 15:11 |
| bswartz | I'm hoping to push tags within a couple of hours | 15:12 |
| gouthamr | rraja ganso: Valeriy would suggest adding a functional test if he were here i guess.. but we can defer that to later. | 15:12 |
| ganso | gouthamr, rraja what is currently issue exactly? | 15:12 |
| bswartz | are there no functional tests or just insufficient tests? | 15:12 |
| bswartz | correct me if I'm wrong, but the ceph driver won't work without this client patch | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | ganso: i was hoping we can get away without the wraps decorator.. but i was wrong about that. | 15:13 |
| rraja | bswartz: ok. i've not written any functional tests, i've just unit tests. and | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | rraja: please do any additional functional tests in another patch | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: any functional tests will be just to test whether the access rule request can be made.. it won't apply the rule with the generic driver.. | 15:14 |
| ganso | bswartz: as far as I know it works, the client patch is mostly adding an access type validation that is standard in the manilaclient | 15:14 |
| bswartz | we need to get this one done | 15:14 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: so maybe we can make do with the unit test | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | rraja: I'm still waiting for a time estimate | 15:15 |
| bswartz | will this be done within the hour, or should I look for it after lunch? later this evening? | 15:15 |
| rraja | bswartz: without the unit tests, and if gouthamr is clear with an answer for my question i can get it done soon. maybe even in an hour. | 15:16 |
| bswartz | okay that's the right answer! | 15:16 |
| bswartz | wait | 15:16 |
| bswartz | you said without unit test? | 15:16 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: he has unit tests | 15:16 |
| bswartz | I though there were unit tests and the funcitonal tests were missing | 15:16 |
| gouthamr | rraja: commented on your patch | 15:16 |
| rraja | bswartz: sorry! i need to rearrange unit tests. so give me a couple of hours to be on the safer side. so what time is lunch? it's 9 PM my time now | 15:17 |
| bswartz | we don't have a couple of hours | 15:17 |
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| rraja | bswartz: OK. give me an hour then. | 15:18 |
| bswartz | 2 hours tops | 15:18 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:18 |
| bswartz | thank you | 15:18 |
| bswartz | #topic gluster heketi | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | There are 3 patches here, and CI hasn't been seen reporting ever | 15:18 |
| bswartz | I'm pushing this one to newton | 15:18 |
| csaba | OK | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | #topic manila UI patch for share instances | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260554/ | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: you said you were going to look at this ^ | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | okay so this is a tough one | 15:21 |
| bswartz | it's been up for a long time, but received no attention | 15:21 |
| bswartz | I'm uncomfortable merging it this late | 15:21 |
| bswartz | I'm inclined to push to newton | 15:21 |
| cknight | bswartz: +1 I'm not sure why this is critical. | 15:21 |
| bswartz | cknight: I think it was supposed to lay groundwork for share replication UI, but that also hasn't been working on in mitaka | 15:22 |
| bswartz | other than u_glide's prototype last year | 15:22 |
| bswartz | I think we'll have to look at UI updates for replication in Newton | 15:23 |
| bswartz | and this patch can slip to newton too | 15:23 |
| bswartz | so I'll be tagging manila-ui immediately after the meeting | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | #topic cursed patch fixing help outputs in client | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267383/ | 15:24 |
| bswartz | I see 9 rechecks here | 15:24 |
| cknight | bswartz: Definitely cursed. | 15:24 |
| bswartz | am I missing something? | 15:24 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: i've found that recheck with some cheesy encouragement message to jenkins will push patches through | 15:25 |
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| gouthamr | lol | 15:25 |
| bswartz | are we sure it doesn't need rebase or something else to get it through? | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: the logs seem to suggest those failures are the usual suspects with the generic driver | 15:26 |
| markstur | probably needs a rebase | 15:26 |
| bswartz | that patch isn't essential, but I'd like to see it go in | 15:26 |
| bswartz | so if someone has some jenkins-fairy-dust, please sprinkle it on that patch | 15:27 |
| bswartz | #topic admin-only CLI help | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/287436 | 15:27 |
| bswartz | this one is controversial | 15:27 |
| ameade | o | 15:27 |
| bswartz | xyang markstur and I approved it | 15:27 |
| ameade | i'll chime in here | 15:28 |
| bswartz | gouthamr vponomaryov cknight ganso dislike it | 15:28 |
| ameade | I dont think we have admin apis | 15:28 |
| ameade | that doesnt make sense | 15:28 |
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| ameade | we have some policies that default to admin only | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | ameade: +1 | 15:28 |
| bswartz | ameade: I think the argument has been made already | 15:28 |
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| xyang1 | we talk about admin api in our docs as well | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | the question is whether xyang or markstur want to change their opinions | 15:29 |
| xyang1 | why is this help text such a big issue | 15:29 |
| markstur | I initially disliked it, but didn't block it. | 15:29 |
| ameade | glance tried to solve this way back by having the client grab wadls that are generated based on what actions the requested user can perform | 15:29 |
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| ameade | that was complicated to say the least | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | would we really be helping users? | 15:29 |
| ameade | and slow since the client had to grab the wadl | 15:29 |
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| cknight | ameade: +1 That sounds like a lot of work for little gain. | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | we'd be confusing them even more. | 15:29 |
| bswartz | yes nobody is proposing figuring out which APIs are admin only at runtime for help purposes | 15:29 |
| ameade | private clouds often open up more apis to users | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: i'm with you on saying that horizon would be a nice place to do some admin validation.. but CLI shouldn't be.. | 15:30 |
| ameade | and big clouds may do more complex rbac | 15:30 |
| bswartz | my opinion is that the vast majority of installation don't modify policy.json, and the ones that do are the least likely to need client help text | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | so having slightly inaccurate help text is harmless, and the benefit is that inexperienced users are less confused | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: i don't agree ... it is probably modified extensively by providers.. | 15:31 |
| bswartz | I know I'm in the minority here | 15:31 |
| Yogi1 | bswartz +1 | 15:31 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: +1 | 15:31 |
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| gouthamr | its easy for an administrator to modify policy.json | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | would it be easy for them to change the python files? | 15:32 |
| ameade | i'm not sure what my opinion is here but i'm leaning towards gouthams suggestion | 15:32 |
| ameade | just to avoid lying to the user | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | we've solved this problem with the server. my vote's for using that solution as elegantly as we present it :) | 15:32 |
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| dustins | ameade: +1, we should avoid lying and confusing our users | 15:33 |
| bswartz | it would be nice if there was a way to solve the confused newbie user problem in a 100% accurate way | 15:33 |
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| dustins | This stuff is complicated enough as is | 15:33 |
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| Yogi1 | We will be lying to only those users who are modifying the policy.json | 15:33 |
| bswartz | I still believe the way we've implemented is helpful in the vast majority of cases | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | Yogi1: users generally have no access to that, i would assume | 15:33 |
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| Yogi1 | However for those who don't modify its useful | 15:34 |
| bswartz | yes there are cases where it's wrong | 15:34 |
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| ameade | i dont have my finger on the pulse of how often policy.json is tweaked | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | Well, we respond with a 403 and a Administrator privileges are required for this request; don't we? | 15:35 |
| bswartz | one thing we've learned is that the vast majority of openstack deployments are private cloud, in an enterprise setting | 15:35 |
| markstur | most of our admin-only is that way by design, not by whim | 15:35 |
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| Yogi1 | gouthamr We respond with 403 only after using the CLI | 15:35 |
| bswartz | the dream of "public" openstack clouds is dying quickly | 15:35 |
| markstur | but we intend policy.json to be changeable | 15:35 |
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| ameade | bswartz: i do tend to agree with that | 15:35 |
| Yogi1 | this tagging gives info about it even before you try the command | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | yes... imho CLI is to make requests, not to do everything that the server already does.. | 15:35 |
| markstur | So the hard-coded help is a bad "design". | 15:35 |
| ameade | perhaps this is a problem for later? | 15:36 |
| markstur | Whether it is better merged or reverted. I'm OK with PTL decision unless there are other votes. | 15:36 |
| ameade | with swagger for all projects coming in | 15:36 |
| ameade | and moving to openstackclient | 15:36 |
| bswartz | ameade: yes I'd like to solve the problem later | 15:36 |
| markstur | but we can't go back and forth | 15:36 |
| ameade | there may soon be easier ways to solve this | 15:36 |
| bswartz | but we have a patch to consider | 15:36 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: could we not try to help users now with this? | 15:37 |
| bswartz | I still fail to see the great harm leaving it in, and I agree with markstur that the worst thing we can do is go back and forth multiple times | 15:37 |
| ameade | most people are using horizon i imagine, making this less of an issue | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | we should solve the problem in a better way, i agree.. but not this way | 15:37 |
| bswartz | I propose we wait for the solution that makes us all happy, and make the change then | 15:38 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: +1 | 15:38 |
| ganso | bswartz: but then we shouldn't stay with what is not agreeable | 15:39 |
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| ganso | bswartz: I think this should be reverted and thought through | 15:39 |
| Yogi1 | bswartz +1 | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | at least 3 cores agreed it should go in | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | that was regrettable because clearly we should have discussed it more in the first place | 15:40 |
| ameade | i dont think we should spend anymore time on it, bswartz makes the call and we all gotta be happy with it for now | 15:40 |
| bswartz | however it's in, and I don't want to take it out and add it back later | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | I'm going to -2 the current patch and wait for a better solution | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | cool, will abandon the change, thanks | 15:40 |
| bswartz | gouthamr thanks | 15:40 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | that's the end of my list | 15:41 |
| bswartz | did I miss anything important | 15:41 |
| ameade | wanna thank folks for the DR reviews | 15:41 |
| dustins | bswartz: anything news on the triple o patch | 15:41 |
| dustins | any news* | 15:41 |
| ameade | there will be a few more tweaks in mitaka i think so more reviews appreciated :) | 15:41 |
| bswartz | dustins: I expect you to be more informed on redhat matter than me | 15:41 |
| bswartz | last I heard, Manila was out of RHEL OSP 8, and out of 9 too | 15:42 |
| dustins | Indeed, yes | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | Manila is targeted to go into RHEL OSP 10 | 15:42 |
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| dustins | Yup | 15:42 |
| bswartz | therefore the patch is moot until newton | 15:42 |
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| dustins | Makes sense to me! | 15:43 |
| dustins | Thanks, bswartz! | 15:43 |
| bswartz | okay if there's nothing else let's get back to merging stuff | 15:44 |
| bswartz | when the tegile guys wake up somebody please poke them about their CI not reporting on their own patch | 15:44 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:44 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 3 15:44:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-03-03-15.05.html | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-03-03-15.05.txt | 15:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-03-03-15.05.log.html | 15:44 |
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| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:00 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:00 |
| xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:00 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:00 |
| xarses | Who's here? | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 3 16:00:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:00 |
| warpc | hi! | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:00 |
| Tatyanka_Leontov | hi | 16:00 |
| mwhahaha | hi | 16:00 |
| IvanBerezovskiy1 | hi | 16:00 |
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| degorenko | hi | 16:00 |
| ikalnitsky | o/ | 16:00 |
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| igorbelikov | o/ | 16:00 |
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| skolekonov | hi | 16:00 |
| mattymo | hi | 16:00 |
| ashtokolov | o/ | 16:00 |
| pigmej | hello | 16:00 |
| akislitsky_ | hi | 16:00 |
| aglarendil | \o/ | 16:01 |
| salmon_ | hi | 16:01 |
| dklenov | o/ | 16:01 |
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| xarses | A bit of house keeping, we have a large agenda and have to get through the FFE, if we run over, we will switch to #fuel-dev at the top of the hour | 16:01 |
| yottatsa | o/ | 16:01 |
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| angdraug | \o | 16:01 |
| ogelbukh | hello there | 16:01 |
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| bgaifullin | hello | 16:01 |
| xarses | #topic action items from last week | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items from last week (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:01 | |
| xarses | aspiers will create ML to find out who is interested in RA convergance and probably set up dedicated meeting for such | 16:02 |
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| xarses | A saw a bug from aspiers that he was going to follow this up more | 16:02 |
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| rvyalov_ | hi | 16:02 |
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| xarses | #action xarses to follow up with aspiers on RA convergence | 16:03 |
| xarses | pigmej will post on the ML with regards to solar packages merge | 16:03 |
| pigmej | so, I posted mail regarding this problem, I also described it in weekly | 16:03 |
| pigmej | that's pretty much all. | 16:03 |
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| xarses | thanks | 16:03 |
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| xarses | on to the fun. | 16:04 |
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| xarses | ok, lets get into the FFE requests | 16:04 |
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| xarses | #topic [FFE] FF exception request for SR-IOV - 2 weeks (dklenov) | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "[FFE] FF exception request for SR-IOV - 2 weeks (dklenov) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:04 | |
| angdraug | can I assume that everyone who still needs an FFE has added their request to the meeting agenda? | 16:04 |
| angdraug | dklenov: can you comment based on the template I posted yesterday? | 16:05 |
| azvyagintsev | guys, check-echo ? | 16:05 |
| angdraug | azvyagintsev: we see you | 16:05 |
| dklenov | oh, I didn't prepared it according to template | 16:05 |
| dklenov | sorry | 16:05 |
| dklenov | have in free form | 16:05 |
| angdraug | lets see what you have | 16:05 |
| dklenov | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/O646svPq/ | 16:05 |
| yottatsa | there are 3 patches on review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bp/support-sriov | 16:06 |
| yottatsa | We are expecting one patch for fuel-ui. | 16:06 |
| angdraug | ok, lets talk about risks | 16:06 |
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| angdraug | which components are impacted by the remaining patches? | 16:06 |
| angdraug | are all patches already on review or will there be more? | 16:07 |
| dklenov | it is mostly nailgun | 16:07 |
| dklenov | + a couple of library patches | 16:07 |
| ikalnitsky | no patches are expected? | 16:07 |
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| ikalnitsky | except the one in ui ? | 16:07 |
| dklenov | for nailgun this is it | 16:07 |
| angdraug | how easy is it to isolate potential impact? can we mark it experimental? | 16:07 |
| dklenov | one for UI and one for library to create | 16:07 |
| dklenov | all nailgun patches are on review | 16:07 |
| ikalnitsky | that's good | 16:08 |
| ikalnitsky | seems ok to me, they ain't huge | 16:08 |
| ikalnitsky | and already reviewed by some folks | 16:08 |
| angdraug | if it's disabled, how big is the risk of it introducing regressions? | 16:08 |
| dklenov | I would say risk is low | 16:09 |
| dklenov | core changes are already merged | 16:09 |
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| angdraug | what's your ETA for completion? | 16:09 |
| angdraug | 3/16? | 16:09 |
| dklenov | it is 3/16 for HP, Numa and SR-iOV | 16:10 |
| dklenov | 3/24 for DPDK | 16:10 |
| angdraug | no objections about the risk from anyone? | 16:10 |
| angdraug | if not, I propose to grant the exception but mark all these features experimental in this release | 16:11 |
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| yottatsa | angdraug why experimental? | 16:12 |
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| angdraug | because the length of exception is large and there is a risk we won't have time to QA it properly | 16:12 |
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| angdraug | and because it's easily disabled and disabling it mitigates that risk | 16:13 |
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| kozhukalov | but making them experimental is going to make exception even longer, right? | 16:13 |
| dklenov | I think for QA we should have enough time | 16:13 |
| angdraug | kozhukalov: why so? | 16:13 |
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| dklenov | and work on QA side is in progress | 16:13 |
| alex_didenko | I'm afraid that hiding them under experimental may lead to even more work | 16:14 |
| dnovakovskyi | customer won't be happy for experimental status. i suggest to do it only if we indeed face QA problem | 16:14 |
| angdraug | dklenov: it's going to be 3 weeks less than for features that have already landed | 16:14 |
| alex_didenko | please note that a bunch of code is already merged | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov | because it is not only about documentation | 16:14 |
| alex_didenko | we'll have to refactor that | 16:14 |
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| angdraug | alex_didenko: are you saying it's not easily disabled? | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov | some additional configuration is required to allow user to disable this features | 16:14 |
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| yottatsa | angdraug core fuctions of the feature has delivered and is under QA for a week already | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov | for example in nailgun-agent it is a part of agent code | 16:15 |
| alex_didenko | can't say right now, needs to be checked in the code | 16:15 |
| dklenov | for QA activities we should be good | 16:15 |
| dklenov | we are handing parts of the features to QA once these parts are ready | 16:15 |
| ikalnitsky | hiding nfv features from nailgun serialization shouldn't be a problem. however, i'm not sure about ui part | 16:16 |
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| angdraug | if these features can't be easily disabled, I'm not comfortable granting the exception at all | 16:16 |
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| alex_didenko | they can't be easily enabled I'd say :) | 16:17 |
| alex_didenko | you need to have a proper HW | 16:17 |
| angdraug | "should be" is not good enough, no matter how you slice it there's 2-3 weeks until this can be tested in its entirety, and we will start finding new bugs 3 weeks later than now | 16:17 |
| xarses | angdraug: should we differ this discussion to the ML and move on? | 16:17 |
| mihgen | vkramskikh: can you comment on how easy to disable these features in UI? | 16:17 |
| angdraug | xarses: no, we only have today to decide FFEs | 16:18 |
| angdraug | if we defer to ML the discussion will drag on, and we're not granting exceptions a week after FF :/ | 16:18 |
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| kozhukalov | are all those feature of the same size and of the same level of potential regression? | 16:19 |
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| yottatsa | angdraug like I said, core feature has been passed to QA already, we're waiting for UI/serialization now | 16:19 |
| alex_didenko | we need feedback from UI team on how easy it would be to hide those parts | 16:19 |
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| kozhukalov | afaik numa is quite small | 16:19 |
| alex_didenko | yottatsa, you won't need to change anything in library code, that's a matter of serialization only | 16:20 |
| angdraug | if vkramskikh is not around we'll have to grant a conditional exception | 16:20 |
| angdraug | kozhukalov: see pastebin above, numa has 5 patches on review. that's not small | 16:20 |
| alex_didenko | and we also don't need to change nailgun-agent, it can report the info, it's does not affect anything | 16:20 |
| ikalnitsky | alex_didenko: sure | 16:21 |
| ikalnitsky | all changes on nailgun and ui side - doesn't provide that info if it's disabled | 16:21 |
| vkramskikh | it would be easy to disable them | 16:21 |
| angdraug | nurla: can you comment on how much testing nfv features from dklenov have seen so far? | 16:21 |
| nurla- | from fuel side we are only on test design state | 16:22 |
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| angdraug | nurla-: is it possible that they will be fully tested by 3/24? | 16:22 |
| alex_didenko | yep, but dklenov was talking about different QA engineers :) | 16:22 |
| angdraug | alex_didenko: are those QA engineers here in this meeting? | 16:22 |
| nurla- | I think - yes, why not :) | 16:22 |
| dklenov | I was talking about Telco QA who started validation of HugePages and Numa | 16:22 |
| angdraug | ok, a half-way solution: | 16:23 |
| nurla- | I was talking about fuel parts | 16:23 |
| angdraug | mark it experimental now, if we have QA signoff by SCF that these are solid we un-experimentalize it | 16:23 |
| alex_didenko | lgtm | 16:23 |
| dklenov | +1 | 16:23 |
| ikalnitsky | +1 | 16:23 |
| nurla- | +1 | 16:24 |
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| angdraug | #info SR-IOV FFE granted, feature marked experimental until QA signoff that it's stable | 16:24 |
| angdraug | #info HugePages FFE granted, feature marked experimental until QA signoff that it's stable | 16:24 |
| angdraug | #info Numa FFE granted, feature marked experimental until QA signoff that it's stable | 16:24 |
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| angdraug | #info DPDK FFE granted, feature marked experimental until QA signoff that it's stable | 16:24 |
| angdraug | #info merge deadline 3/16, except DPDK 3/24 | 16:25 |
| * zigo reads the backlog | 16:25 | |
| angdraug | moving on? | 16:25 |
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| dklenov | thanks! | 16:25 |
| xarses | #topic [FFE] FF exception request for ConfigDB API and clients (ogelbukh) | 16:25 |
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| ogelbukh | hi again | 16:25 |
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| ogelbukh | current status of configdb extension | 16:26 |
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| ogelbukh | 1. API extension for Nailgun is designed, spec in review :https://review.openstack.org/284109/ | 16:26 |
| ogelbukh | source code is developed in https://github.com/Mirantis/tuning-box | 16:26 |
| ogelbukh | request for repo in openstack/ namespace in review https://review.openstack.org/286137 | 16:26 |
| ogelbukh | 2. Upload of serialized data to the API is designed, spec in review: https://review.openstack.org/286012 | 16:26 |
| ogelbukh | 3. Hiera backend is in development, source code is in WIP status in fuel-library: https://review.openstack.org/285236/ we requested FFE for this feature till Mar 24, since it is not intrusive, partially developed in external repos and covers significant use casenamely integration of 3rd-party components with out deployment flow | 16:26 |
| ogelbukh | *our deployment flow | 16:26 |
| angdraug | ogelbukh: same questions: | 16:26 |
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| ogelbukh | sorry for formatting mess | 16:27 |
| angdraug | what components are impacted, what are the risks? | 16:27 |
| xarses | ogelbukh: what is open that requires changes in fuel? just the fuel-lib? | 16:27 |
| ogelbukh | actually, in the current version of design the impact is minimal | 16:27 |
| angdraug | define minimal | 16:27 |
| ogelbukh | nailgun extension will require no changes to core code | 16:27 |
| angdraug | core code = nailgun? what changes? | 16:28 |
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| ogelbukh | deployment task and hiera backend will be part of plugin | 16:28 |
| angdraug | ikalnitsky: can you confirm the impact there? | 16:28 |
| ikalnitsky | angdraug: yep | 16:28 |
| ogelbukh | since we already have stevedore support in master | 16:28 |
| ogelbukh | we just need to plug it in properly on extension's side | 16:28 |
| ikalnitsky | only one question, ogelbukh: have you decided to move with deployment task in favor of changes in astute ? | 16:28 |
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| ogelbukh | yes | 16:28 |
| angdraug | are nailgun changes on review yet? | 16:29 |
| ogelbukh | the only limitation is that is has to run on master node most likely | 16:29 |
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| ikalnitsky | angdraug: there's no nailgun changes | 16:29 |
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| ogelbukh | the extension is developed in dedicated repo | 16:29 |
| ikalnitsky | it's an extension | 16:29 |
| angdraug | it's *all* pluggable? | 16:29 |
| ogelbukh | we are adding it to openstack namespace right now | 16:29 |
| ikalnitsky | angdraug: looks so | 16:29 |
| angdraug | in that case, I see no reason not to grant exception | 16:29 |
| angdraug | objections anyone? | 16:29 |
| angdraug | ok then | 16:30 |
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| angdraug | #info ConfigDB FFE granted, deadline 3/24, no core codebase impact expected | 16:30 |
| angdraug | moving on | 16:31 |
| xarses | #topic [FFE] FF exception request for Unlock "Setting" tab - 3 weeks (ashtokolov) | 16:31 |
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| ashtokolov | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/VCI2Lybt/Unlock%20settings%20tab | 16:31 |
| angdraug | define "low risk" | 16:31 |
| ogelbukh | thanks everyone, I appreciate that | 16:31 |
| ashtokolov | low risk to be on time | 16:32 |
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| angdraug | ashtokolov: what are the impacted components? | 16:32 |
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| ashtokolov | nailgun | 16:32 |
| angdraug | ashtokolov: are all your patches on review already? | 16:32 |
| ashtokolov | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/jyTyD5EW/ | 16:33 |
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| ashtokolov | not all | 16:33 |
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| angdraug | of 4 patches you listed in pastebin, 1 is merged and the other 3 are failing CI | 16:34 |
| ashtokolov | we should discuss the implementation with ikalnitsky | 16:34 |
| angdraug | how many more you expect to push? | 16:34 |
| ashtokolov | I expect 4 patches for custom graph + | 16:34 |
| ashtokolov | tiny ones^^ | 16:35 |
| ashtokolov | 2 for store-deployment-tasks-history | 16:35 |
| angdraug | all nailgun? | 16:35 |
| ikalnitsky | ok, angdraug, since the changes are limited by nailgun, there will be no affect on other projects | 16:35 |
| ashtokolov | and 2 or 3 for computable-task-fields-yaql | 16:35 |
| ikalnitsky | and the profit we have with that features - are huge | 16:35 |
| angdraug | nailgun is a core component, it can impact almost anything | 16:35 |
| ikalnitsky | thoug, I'm not sure about that one | 16:35 |
| ikutukov | There will be 6 patches, one is relatively big ~200-300 LOC with graph merging | 16:35 |
| ikalnitsky | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/store-deployment-tasks-history | 16:35 |
| ashtokolov | number depend on how we can split it to make review easier | 16:36 |
| aglarendil | the changes themselves are essentially to '/task' and '/orchestrator' pieces of nailgun and to some data models and do not affect regular deployment flow | 16:36 |
| angdraug | aglarendil: thanks, that helps a lot! | 16:36 |
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| angdraug | ikalnitsky: can you confirm ^? | 16:36 |
| ikalnitsky | angdraug: confirm | 16:36 |
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| ashtokolov | an ability to view the deployment tasks history makes UX not so poor | 16:36 |
| angdraug | I don't feel that making this experimental is going to help with mitigating the risks :( | 16:37 |
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| ikalnitsky | ashtokolov: yes, but we already have a lot to do. | 16:37 |
| aglarendil | changes such as store deployment data or tasks history is just a dump to the database instead of throwing messages to/from astute away | 16:37 |
| ikalnitsky | besides, there will be no support from UI, afaik | 16:37 |
| ikalnitsky | so why then ? | 16:37 |
| angdraug | what's the plan if some of these changes are not ready by 3/24? | 16:38 |
| ashtokolov | afaik you and vsharshov had decision about how to do it | 16:38 |
| ikalnitsky | ashtokolov: yes, but it was few monthes ago | 16:38 |
| ikalnitsky | why it wasn't done till ff ? | 16:38 |
| angdraug | will it regress UX? or will we be able to safely postpone the remaining patches to Newton? | 16:38 |
| angdraug | ikalnitsky: "why" is not the right question to ask | 16:39 |
| ashtokolov | angdraug we prioritise changes by impotency | 16:39 |
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| ashtokolov | *importency | 16:39 |
| angdraug | by importance? :P | 16:39 |
| ashtokolov | =) | 16:39 |
| zigo | :) | 16:39 |
| aglarendil | idemportance | 16:39 |
| nurla- | -) | 16:39 |
| ashtokolov | by both cases | 16:40 |
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| zigo | 囧 | 16:40 |
| ikalnitsky | angdraug: well, the last word is your's. | 16:40 |
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| mihgen | :D | 16:40 |
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| angdraug | I'd rather see a consensus between you than have to resolve a dispute | 16:40 |
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| ikalnitsky | angdraug: i just warned you that we're trying to do more than we need, and we won't make it in full scope | 16:40 |
| ashtokolov | angdraug, we'll be able to safely postpone the remaining patches to Newton for task history | 16:41 |
| angdraug | so far, I see a long chain of small patches, many of which are at risk of being ready even by 3/24 | 16:41 |
| angdraug | is that a correct summary? | 16:41 |
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| aglarendil | angdraug: nope | 16:41 |
| zigo | If the full of it wont make it, then what's the point of having *part* of it merged? | 16:41 |
| zigo | Will it still be useful? | 16:41 |
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| aglarendil | the other changes like computable field do simple YAQL evaluation which has already been used in Murano. and enabling it is really a piece of cake while benefits are huge | 16:41 |
| angdraug | zigo: yup, that's the question I've been working towards | 16:41 |
| xarses | what is at risk of not landing at 3/24? | 16:41 |
| xarses | task history? | 16:41 |
| xarses | or the rest of custom graph? | 16:42 |
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| aglarendil | I am not aware of the things that have risks to not land until 3/24 | 16:42 |
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| angdraug | aglarendil: I wasn't arguing that the value is small, small patches means low risk | 16:42 |
| aglarendil | major part of custom graph has already been landed | 16:42 |
| ashtokolov | xarses IMO it's low risk, but ikalnitsky has another opinion | 16:42 |
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| ashtokolov | xarses the rest of custom graph will be landed next week | 16:42 |
| angdraug | ikalnitsky: same question, which parts do you see as high risk of not landing | 16:43 |
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| angdraug | mind that risk of not landing != risk of regression | 16:43 |
| ikalnitsky | i told nothing about "risks" not to landing | 16:43 |
| angdraug | if any of this can introduce a regression that CI won't catch, it's a no-go from the start | 16:43 |
| ikalnitsky | it fully depends on development team | 16:43 |
| aglarendil | store stuff in DB parts are also a piece of cake - get a message to/from astute and dump it into the database instead of throwing it out | 16:43 |
| angdraug | so far, the fact that outstanding patches fail CI is a good sign, it means that affected codepaths are covered by our tests | 16:44 |
| angdraug | ikalnitsky: what about risk of regression then? | 16:44 |
| ikalnitsky | the risks are always high | 16:44 |
| ashtokolov | now we have deployment test in fuel-web CI | 16:44 |
| ikalnitsky | i just suggest to do less work | 16:44 |
| angdraug | can it break things in a way that CI won't catch? | 16:44 |
| ikalnitsky | because task history won't be implemented on UI side anyway | 16:45 |
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| ikalnitsky | and chants to astute and nailgun may block master if something goes wrong | 16:45 |
| ikalnitsky | that's the risk | 16:45 |
| aglarendil | the regressions will be easily caught by current deployment tests at Fuel-Web CI | 16:45 |
| ikalnitsky | if you think it's really needed in 9.0 | 16:45 |
| angdraug | I'm not sure not having it in UI is a strong argument | 16:45 |
| ikalnitsky | so be it | 16:45 |
| aglarendil | as all of these changes are about orchestration and business logic of which tasks to execute on which nodes | 16:45 |
| bgaifullin | ikalnitsky, task history is useful without support from UI side, for example telko team asks about this feature | 16:45 |
| angdraug | if you need task history for investigations, just having it in DB would be useful | 16:45 |
| ikalnitsky | and why then at all? | 16:45 |
| dnovakovskyi | UI is not critical | 16:46 |
| ikalnitsky | i have logs for investigation | 16:46 |
| ikalnitsky | it doesn't look like a critical feature | 16:46 |
| dnovakovskyi | engineers are relaying on CLI often | 16:46 |
| xarses | UI isn't important for this yet | 16:46 |
| dnovakovskyi | especially for smart stuff like task history :) | 16:46 |
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| ikalnitsky | well, stop it, guys | 16:46 |
| ikalnitsky | i told you what i think | 16:46 |
| xarses | having it available in the DB is very good improvement over logs | 16:46 |
| ikalnitsky | the decision is ptl's | 16:46 |
| angdraug | ikalnitsky: and everyone is trying to convince you so that I don't have to override you | 16:46 |
| dnovakovskyi | :) | 16:47 |
| angdraug | you're the component lead, I really don't want to override your recommendation | 16:47 |
| angdraug | no pressure :) | 16:47 |
| xarses | angdraug: + | 16:47 |
| aglarendil | angdraug: I want to mention that the whole feature has been very fairly granularized and distributed among the developers | 16:47 |
| aglarendil | so we do not have any lack of resources right now | 16:47 |
| angdraug | aglarendil: yup, I've noticed | 16:47 |
| xarses | ikalnitsky: is your position because you think the feature has no value in its current state or because of technical risks | 16:48 |
| angdraug | can we impose additional testing requirements on this feature to mitigate the risks? | 16:48 |
| ikalnitsky | xarses: both | 16:48 |
| angdraug | aglarendil: resources question is a double-edged sword | 16:48 |
| angdraug | everyone who's still working on features past FF isn't fixing bugs | 16:48 |
| ikalnitsky | changing communication protocol may block master for day, and hence - other features | 16:48 |
| ashtokolov | ikalnitsky angdraug can we get a FFE and make decision based on time track to push it on not? | 16:48 |
| ashtokolov | or not | 16:49 |
| ikalnitsky | yes, or not | 16:49 |
| ikalnitsky | it's hard to predict | 16:49 |
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| ikalnitsky | rememer recent blocker ? week ago? when we change it? | 16:49 |
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| aglarendil | you mean that one with hanging zuul with depends-on? | 16:49 |
| ikalnitsky | yes | 16:49 |
| ikalnitsky | shit are happens | 16:50 |
| aglarendil | well, that was almost infra issue | 16:50 |
| ikalnitsky | and not only because of our bad | 16:50 |
| aglarendil | openstack-infra issue | 16:50 |
| ikalnitsky | however, a lot of patches were blocked | 16:50 |
| angdraug | ikalnitsky: I mostly care about risks introduced by feature itself | 16:50 |
| angdraug | ok, time for another halfway solution | 16:50 |
| xarses | REMINDER: we will continue FFE discussion in #fuel-dev at the top of the hour | 16:51 |
| aglarendil | no risk. it is new functionality. regressions will be caught by CI deployment tests easily | 16:51 |
| ashtokolov | angdraug, this feature is about to store existing information in DB | 16:51 |
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| aglarendil | all the code pieces have been designed in full compliance with retaining of old functionality | 16:51 |
| angdraug | how about: ffe granted, task history to be discussed next week. really hate to do it this way | 16:51 |
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| angdraug | depending on the outcome of that discussion, task history might get excluded from the exception | 16:52 |
| angdraug | good enough to move on? | 16:52 |
| ashtokolov | lgtm | 16:52 |
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| angdraug | #info Unlock "Settings" Tab FFE granted, task history feature to be discussed until 3/10 and may get excluded from the exception | 16:53 |
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| angdraug | lets move | 16:53 |
| xarses | #topic [FFE] FF exception request for Multi-release plugin packages - 3 weeks (ashtokolov) | 16:53 |
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| dnovakovskyi | IMO given the granularity explained by aglarendil | 16:53 |
| ashtokolov | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/THErNBiA/ | 16:53 |
| dnovakovskyi | nevermind | 16:53 |
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| angdraug | what are the risks and impacts? | 16:54 |
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| ikalnitsky | impact in nailgun and fpb side | 16:54 |
| ikalnitsky | however, nailgun database must be restructured | 16:54 |
| ashtokolov | nailgun +FPB | 16:54 |
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| angdraug | hm | 16:55 |
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| xarses | what's the impact on nailgun? FPB is decoupled already | 16:55 |
| angdraug | sounds too risky to me | 16:55 |
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| ikalnitsky | the bad thing here is that it's affected by db changes made by custom graph | 16:55 |
| angdraug | xarses: nailgundb schema change is a no-go | 16:55 |
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| ikutukov | additional table storing per-release configuration for every plugin (networg groups, graph reference e.t.c.) is planned | 16:56 |
| ikalnitsky | and i didn't review the design spec :( | 16:56 |
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| ashtokolov | ikalnitsky do you think we need extra db changes for custom graph? | 16:56 |
| zigo | fpb? | 16:56 |
| ashtokolov | or you mean we have to redesign plugins? | 16:56 |
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| zigo | What's that? (sorry to ask...) | 16:56 |
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| ikalnitsky | ashtokolov: perhaps, perhaps not | 16:56 |
| ikutukov | spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271417/9/specs/9.0/plugins-v5.rst | 16:56 |
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| ashtokolov | fpb=Fuel Plugin Builder | 16:57 |
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| xarses | zigo: fuel-plugin-builder, it lives in openstack/fuel-plugins | 16:57 |
| zigo | Cheers. | 16:57 |
| angdraug | looks like it's too raw for FFE | 16:57 |
| ikalnitsky | i'd prefer to take a good decision where to go, instead trying to fix it quicly | 16:57 |
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| ikalnitsky | angdraug: +1. let's postpone it till 10.0 | 16:57 |
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| angdraug | #info Multi-release packages (plugins-v5) FFE denied | 16:58 |
| angdraug | lets wrap up here and move to #fuel-dev, we're out of time | 16:58 |
| xarses | we have to min left on the channel, we need to move over to #fuel-dev | 16:58 |
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| xarses | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 3 16:58:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-03-03-16.00.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-03-03-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-03-03-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
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| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:00 |
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| tmcpeak | #startmeeting security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 3 17:00:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmcpeak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| mvaldes | o/ | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| tmcpeak | #chair hyakuhei | 17:00 |
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| elmiko | \o | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | Hi Guys | 17:00 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | o/ | 17:00 |
| LHinds | hey all | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | thanks tmcpeak | 17:00 |
| cjschaef | hi | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | sure :) | 17:00 |
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| browne | o/ | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | I’ve got a copy-pasted agenda from last week here #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-20160303-agenda | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | Obviously need supdating with things people care about | 17:01 |
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| michaelxin | hello | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | hey michaelxin ! | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok so our room requests are in, lets wait to see what the openstack gods decide | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | Track choices should be out soon too I think | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | hehe | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | We had to have the final decisions in by Monday | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | would be cool to know soon :) | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Right ok, so I guess we can get started :) | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah it would! | 17:06 |
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| tmcpeak | allright | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | The track chairing (for security) went really well this year, good discussions on various aspects. We’ve tried to create a pretty inclusive track | 17:06 |
| elmiko | nice | 17:07 |
| mvaldes | awesome. thanks for the hard work on that | 17:07 |
| elmiko | are there many security related talks submitted? | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | My pleasure | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | Righto, agenda wise - did any of you guys look at the BYOK stuff? | 17:07 |
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| elmiko | i did, not sure i have much to add though :/ | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271517/ | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | If you have crypto thoughts, please add them | 17:07 |
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| hyakuhei | Although this is crypto stuff it’s a Security project | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | So it’s ours to screw up all on our own. | 17:08 |
| michaelxin | trying to multitask here. | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | Though Barbican will help :P | 17:08 |
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| elmiko | hehe | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | looks like the bikeshed is alive and well with this one | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | Indeed | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | It’s all good content though | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | Just need a gentle nudge | 17:09 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, so I don’t have anything to add regarding the summit | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | Anyone else got questions before we do Agenda things? | 17:09 |
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| elmiko | just curious if there are many sec. related talks | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | There’s a whole track | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | how much of a track did we get hyakuhei? | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | four days? | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | Oh I see | 17:10 |
| elmiko | cool, very encouraging to hear | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | So we got hmmm… 10 slots I think | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | that's pretty solid | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | How they stack up over the week is beyond my understanding | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | Got a couple of good alternates in there too, we could have had a very compelling 15 talk track | 17:11 |
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| elmiko | neat | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | it's 4 days this time, right | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | ? | 17:11 |
| michaelxin | great | 17:12 |
| mvaldes | the conference is mon - thurs | 17:12 |
| mvaldes | ops and design is mon - fri | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | yeah I think the big difference this time around is they’ve moved the ops stuff? | 17:12 |
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| hyakuhei | so it deconflicts with most of the rest of the design summit? | 17:12 |
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| mvaldes | https://www.openstack.org/themes/openstack/static/images/austin/schedule-chart.svg | 17:13 |
| michaelxin | mvaldes: +1 | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:13 |
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| elmiko | i'm really curious to see how that proposal to split the summit proceeds | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | WOO is such a cool acronym | 17:14 |
| elmiko | +1 | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | ok, agenda then | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Anchor | 17:14 |
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| hyakuhei | Stan did some good work on this, a bunch of stuff merged and 0.3 is in Pypi now | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | tkelsey: ? | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | Is that accurate? | 17:15 |
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| tkelsey | not sure about Pypi, sorry | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | oh ok, maybe that’s not updated then, as you own it. | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | heh | 17:15 |
| tkelsey | Stan was asking about it, but i dont know if he got anything in | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | Unless Stan hacked your creds | 17:15 |
| tkelsey | wait I own it :-/ | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | which… I mean…. it’s stan, so entirely possible. | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/anchor/0.3 | 17:16 |
| tkelsey | OK i'll find out whats going on there then lol | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | yeah | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | https://www.dropbox.com/s/66acgvh3i7ugm9f/Screenshot%202016-03-03%2017.16.13.png?dl=0 | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | ^ ANCHOR BOSS | 17:16 |
| elmiko | nice, +1 tkelsey ;) | 17:16 |
| tkelsey | well I guess thats good :D (yeah i'll find out what the deal is) been distracted with Bandit 1.0 and other suff | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | No problem. | 17:17 |
| mvaldes | there was some interest re: anchor during my OWASP talk on syntribos last Friday | 17:17 |
| tkelsey | mvaldes: oh, thats interesting :0 | 17:17 |
| tkelsey | :) | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | I’ve been wondering how/if Anchor should be positioned or extended to behave a little bit more like Amazon’s new certificate service | 17:17 |
| mvaldes | i mentioned OSSP and a few of the projects. made sure they knew we were looking for help/testing/etc | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | Though I guess Barbican front ending some other CA makes more sense there, potentially | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | thats cool mvaldes | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | oh, I had one other thing | 17:18 |
| tkelsey | mvaldes: awesome :) | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | I’ve got an in-depth anchor deck | 17:18 |
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| mvaldes | excellent | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | I mean, if you want 45 minutes on PKI deployments and passive revocation | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1HDyEiSA5zp6HNdDZcRAYMT5GtxqkHrxbrqDRzITuSTc/edit?usp=sharing | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | Tadaaa | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | Removed 99.3% of the copyrighted content too | 17:19 |
| elmiko | we want it live! | 17:19 |
| elmiko | ;) | 17:19 |
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| hyakuhei | Possibly needs some speaker notes as it goes into some interesting places | 17:19 |
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| hyakuhei | like CRLSets etc | 17:20 |
| mvaldes | yes pls :) | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | My favorite bit here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rkmw5kicwmoc5xn/Screenshot%202016-03-03%2017.20.15.png?dl=0 | 17:20 |
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| mvaldes | lol | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | :# | 17:20 |
| wayward710 | nice | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | That is public domain / usable though at least heh. | 17:21 |
| mvaldes | it may catch on | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | Right, I don’t have anything else to add on Anchor. | 17:21 |
| mvaldes | if you're lucky | 17:21 |
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| ccneill | lol love the "SO MUCH PLUMBING" slide | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | :) | 17:21 |
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| hyakuhei | I’ve used that or some variation of it for years :) | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | Gets a good chuckle | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | My fave is probably “How security see’s openstack” | 17:22 |
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| mvaldes | FIRE | 17:22 |
| mvaldes | the deck looks good | 17:23 |
| elmiko | yea, that slide is awesome | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | Anyway, feel free to borrow as much (or as little) as you’d like from that | 17:23 |
| elmiko | and so accurate XD | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:23 |
| ccneill | https://i.ytimg.com/vi/C-zCzM5qPec/maxresdefault.jpg | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | ok, any questions on that before we move on ? | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | ccneill: amazing! | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | yeah I bet that's coming in a Rob speech soon | 17:24 |
| elmiko | ha! ccneill++ | 17:24 |
| wayward710 | those are great slides | 17:24 |
| ccneill | someone made a flag of that picture at the Castle.. I'm so jealous lol | 17:24 |
| elmiko | no they didnt... so awesome | 17:25 |
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| hyakuhei | lol | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | ook, | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Bandit | 17:25 |
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| tmcpeak | I think we have the last major feature added that we needed for 1.0 | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | from now it should just be filing and closing bugs | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | doc fixes, etc | 17:26 |
| tkelsey | yup | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/bandit | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/bandit | 17:26 |
| mvaldes | great news! | 17:26 |
| tkelsey | just need to land the stuff in flight than double down on docs and any bug fixes | 17:26 |
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| michaelxin | +1 | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | could really use people hammering away at Bandit | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | try using it in ways you don't normally use it | 17:27 |
| tkelsey | +1 | 17:27 |
| ccneill | tmcpeak: is there a slide deck / similar describing everything in 1.0? | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | other than that bit of shameless begging I don't have anything to add :) | 17:27 |
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| browne | there's been a lot of activity in other projects to hook up bandit into the pep8 testenv | 17:27 |
| elmiko | nice, grats on the lp | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | ccneill: no, but that would be great to have | 17:28 |
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| ccneill | well, I don't know that I'm qualified to do it, but I'm definitely willing to TRY helping with docs | 17:28 |
| ccneill | :) | 17:28 |
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| browne | ccneill: like release notes? | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | ccneill: that would be awesome! | 17:28 |
| LHinds | I had a good go at it this week, but could not find anything issues (which is good!) | 17:28 |
| ccneill | browne: yeah, release notes of some kind would be great | 17:28 |
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| tmcpeak | LHinds: thanks! | 17:29 |
| LHinds | s/anything/any | 17:29 |
| tkelsey | thanks :) | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | yeah preferably release notes from somebody that isn't a core Bandit dev | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | so we have a fresh pair of eyes | 17:29 |
| michaelxin | ccneill: +1 | 17:29 |
| LHinds | tmcpeak, a review or author? | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | author would be best | 17:30 |
| ccneill | tmcpeak: any of these have a much higher priority than others? | 17:30 |
| michaelxin | haha | 17:30 |
| ccneill | they don't have assigned priorities at the moment | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | ccneill: which are you looking at? | 17:30 |
| ccneill | the bps | 17:30 |
| ccneill | the link above | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | oh, we're done on those | 17:31 |
| ccneill | oh, sweet! | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | 1.0 ones are finished and none of the ones that aren't 1.0 are in | 17:31 |
| ccneill | gotcha | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | I guess best thing to do is make sure 1) our wiki is in good shape | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | 2) the docs make sense for how to use it and nothing is missing | 17:31 |
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| tmcpeak | with those two we're in good shape from a doc perspective | 17:32 |
| ccneill | cool, I'll see what I can do | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | ccneill: awesome, thank you! | 17:32 |
| ccneill | np - thank you! | 17:32 |
| ccneill | this is the easy part :) | 17:32 |
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| tmcpeak | anything else anybody wants to mention on Bandit? | 17:33 |
| browne | tthere's a whole release note feature many of the other projects use. not sure we should for bandit | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | browne: what's that about? | 17:33 |
| elmiko | are you talking about reno? | 17:33 |
| browne | yep reno | 17:33 |
| elmiko | use it | 17:33 |
| LHinds | I am hoping to get the OPNFV project to use Bandit, will keep you updated. Most of what they do is upstreamed, but they do have some infra stuff on LF repos. | 17:33 |
| elmiko | it's very convenient for generating release notes | 17:34 |
| elmiko | LHinds: neat! | 17:34 |
| browne | elmiko: cool | 17:34 |
| bknudson | from the discussion on the mailing list reno is generating content for deployers | 17:34 |
| bknudson | and deployers don't care about bandit features | 17:34 |
| elmiko | hmm, didn't think about that bknudson | 17:34 |
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| michaelxin | We tried Veracode python support early version | 17:34 |
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| bknudson | #link https://launchpad.net/bandit/+milestone/1.0 | 17:35 |
| elmiko | from a developer perspective, reno is really convenient for generating a release note with your changes. but i can see how it might make excess noise in some places. | 17:35 |
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| elmiko | bknudson: do the reno changes automatically get picked up outside the project, or does something need to be configured to comb the project for notes? | 17:35 |
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| tmcpeak | bknudson: oh yeah, I'm not sure ^ that is up to date | 17:36 |
| bknudson | elmiko: I assume something has to be configured to get the release notes on the release web page | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | we haven't been great about assigning stuff to the milestone | 17:36 |
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| elmiko | bknudson: gotcha, thanks | 17:36 |
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| bknudson | so maybe bandit release notes wouldn't be included there? | 17:36 |
| browne | the release notes can be included into the project docs. i've seen projects do that | 17:36 |
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| michaelxin | +1 | 17:37 |
| michaelxin | good idea | 17:37 |
| browne | and we could tailor to our target audience i believe | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | release notes have been traditionally included in the git commit | 17:37 |
| elmiko | yea, i definitely recommend using reno for making the notes and in-project integration. for bandit, i agree with bknudson, it doesn't make sense to agregate those changes for operators. | 17:37 |
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| tmcpeak | anybody who has good experience with the release notes side - we could really use the help for Bandit | 17:38 |
| browne | agregate where? in my view, we can write them for whomever | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | I know I haven't done anything on that front before | 17:38 |
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| tmcpeak | I'm kind of shooting in the dark | 17:38 |
| * ccneill too :( | 17:38 | |
| elmiko | browne: i just meant, if they were being collated for release with the service project release notes | 17:39 |
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| browne | guess something worth digging into | 17:40 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: i've used it a bunch, i could take a stab at putting a patch together unless browne wants to dig in | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: that would be awesome | 17:40 |
| browne | elmiko: go for it | 17:40 |
| elmiko | ok, cool | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | allright moving on | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Docs | 17:41 |
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| tmcpeak | elmiko: looks like you're up :) | 17:41 |
| elmiko | ok, well things have been moving along slowly | 17:41 |
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| elmiko | we have closing some bugs and generally improving the sec. guide | 17:41 |
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| elmiko | we are still blocked on creating the new pdf/book version though | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | improve is good | 17:42 |
| elmiko | i'm not sure where sicarie has gotten to with that | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | what's the plan for the guide? | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | I guess it will need maintenance forever huh? | 17:42 |
| elmiko | afaik, we need to get a pdf published and then make a new physical copy available | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: it’s called a “living document” | 17:42 |
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| tmcpeak | yep yep | 17:43 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: pretty much, we continue to update, improve, and hopefully add more service content as we find domain experts/authors | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | are there any new chapters planned? | 17:43 |
| michaelxin | elmiko: +1 | 17:43 |
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| elmiko | i *think* we had some interest writing a networking chapter around neutron | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | Is there much on Barbican / Crypto | 17:43 |
| elmiko | not muc | 17:44 |
| elmiko | h | 17:44 |
| elmiko | we'd like to get something on barbican, as well as others like trove and manilla | 17:44 |
| elmiko | but, | 17:44 |
| elmiko | we need more CPLs to help with writing those | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | Of course | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | and there’s a TA chapter in the works | 17:44 |
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| elmiko | +2 | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | Something like https://openstack-security.github.io/threatanalysis/2016/02/07/anchorTA.html | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | but not terrible | 17:45 |
| elmiko | lol | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | and finished. | 17:45 |
| michaelxin | +2 | 17:45 |
| elmiko | i think that would be great, plus we could follow the nice checklists that we have for the other chapters | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | yeah a TA chapter would be cool for sure | 17:45 |
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| elmiko | i think these are great projects for Newton, but we need to do more outreach and hopefully get a few more contributors on board | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | yeah | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | we're spread pretty thin | 17:46 |
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| michaelxin | we need new blood for sure. | 17:46 |
| elmiko | and getting a new leaf version for publishing is a high prio, i know it's been driving sicarie nuts | 17:46 |
| wayward710 | Sorry, I'll try to start doing stuff. :) | 17:47 |
| elmiko | no prob wayward710, i'm just grousing in general XD | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | speaking of spread thin -- | 17:47 |
| ccneill | hyakuhei: this looks interesting! one tiny thing: looks like there are some headings where the "#" and the subsequent title don't have a space, so it's not rendering as a heading | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | I may be taking some time with less participation for a bit | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | I'm taking a new gig and will probably be busy getting up to speed for a while | 17:47 |
| michaelxin | nooooo | 17:47 |
| ccneill | oh noez | 17:47 |
| wayward710 | Thanks. Just got busier than expected -- probably happened to many people here too. :) | 17:48 |
| mvaldes | tmcpeak: congrats :) | 17:48 |
| elmiko | a sad day for the ossp | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | OSSP is awesome and I want to stay involved but it might take some time to get my head above water again :) | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | mvaldes: thanks! | 17:48 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak++ | 17:48 |
| LHinds | I have been thinking of NFV aspects we could introduce, but need to find the differentiators. I will certainly try to come up with something, but only if its of value. | 17:48 |
| michaelxin | tmcpeak: congrats! | 17:48 |
| LHinds | a lot of what you have there applies to Telco | 17:48 |
| LHinds | or rather Telco world | 17:49 |
| elmiko | LHinds, thanks! we appreciate any contribs =) | 17:49 |
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| michaelxin | I am working on something tool | 17:49 |
| michaelxin | hopefully it will be finalized soon. | 17:49 |
| elmiko | ooh, a docs bonanza! | 17:49 |
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| elmiko | michaelxin: +1 | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | all the docs! | 17:49 |
| elmiko | hehe | 17:49 |
| michaelxin | so, we will have some new blood joining. | 17:49 |
| elmiko | great! | 17:50 |
| michaelxin | :-) | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | allright | 17:50 |
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| tmcpeak | speaking of.. | 17:50 |
| elmiko | i think that's all i've got | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Publicity | 17:50 |
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| tmcpeak | we should try to get the deck presented more | 17:50 |
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| tmcpeak | that being said I don't think we got any new participation from browne and me presenting at the meetup | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | so we might want to adjust our strategy | 17:51 |
| ccneill | has OpenStack ever considered a bug bounty? | 17:51 |
| ccneill | like, paid bug bounty? | 17:51 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: did you guys have any specific de-brief notes? | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | Yes a couple of times | 17:51 |
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| hyakuhei | HP considered sponsoring one via ZDI too | 17:51 |
| ccneill | I think one of hte problem with getting OSSP people is either 1) they are already deeply dug into OS and know how much of a firehose we have to drink from | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | It was felt that we don’t have the logistical staff to deal with all the terrible reports | 17:51 |
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| tmcpeak | elmiko: nah, nothing in particular | 17:51 |
| ccneill | or 2) they don't know what OS is or how to add value | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | ccneill: +1 | 17:52 |
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| tmcpeak | ccneill: +1 | 17:52 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: ack, maybe just a swing and miss... gotta keep up the pressure ;) | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | honestly I think a lot of security people are busy making money and stuff :) | 17:52 |
| ccneill | hyakuhei: yeah, I've seen some amazingly bad reports.. | 17:52 |
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| elmiko | i also feel that corporate interests don't always value having their people spend time on security work :/ | 17:52 |
| ccneill | need someone(s) to take it on basically full time | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | I've always felt OSSP is a great way to make an entry into the industry for college students | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | elmiko: yup | 17:53 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: agreed | 17:53 |
| ccneill | elmiko: +1 | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: I agree in principle but I’ve struggled to get buyin | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | maybe we could focus there a bit | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | OpenStack is actually big and scary … | 17:53 |
| elmiko | it's really staggering, the amount of sec. work that /could/ be done | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: yeah, I've gotten shut down at the professor level | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | I think they think I'm pitching something | 17:53 |
| ccneill | tmcpeak: I think it's hard to scope it to something they'd understand | 17:53 |
| michaelxin | we can try | 17:53 |
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| mvaldes | michaelxin: could be an opportunity with OSIC + UTSA | 17:53 |
| ccneill | OSSP is too open-ended. "secure every component of a cloud provider" isn't something most college kids would even know where to start on, I think | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | could always start simple though, write a note, fix some docs, etc | 17:54 |
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| michaelxin | I will check with them for sure. | 17:54 |
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| ccneill | "too open-ended" meaning, I think we need a kind of "onboarding" process | 17:54 |
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| elmiko | ccneill: yea, i think we might be able to do more to create highly focused bugs that newer developers could work on. but, again, time.... | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | ccneill: yeah that would be helpful too | 17:54 |
| Akanksha08 | I think probably this time an idea can be put up for Outreachy on OSSP | 17:54 |
| michaelxin | http://osic.org/ | 17:54 |
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| michaelxin | If they want to start, they can get some free clusters from this program | 17:55 |
| elmiko | Akanksha08: good idea, we could certainly make more effort to get interns in on the OSSP | 17:55 |
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| singleth_ | ccneill: could there be an executability requirement? You must submit your bug as a program that exploits _insert_canonical_environment_here_ | 17:55 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah OpenStack interns - that would be an awesome thing to have | 17:55 |
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| elmiko | going through Outreachy and GSOC are great ways to find some interested parties. we need to come up with projects that can be worked on though. | 17:56 |
| elmiko | sadly, we just missed the last GSOC round and OpenStack wasn't included | 17:56 |
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| ccneill | singlethink: I was thinking of starting simpler, like doing a first pass of triage on mailinglist bugs | 17:56 |
| Akanksha08 | yes the project can even be fixing few small bugs | 17:56 |
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| elmiko | yup | 17:57 |
| Akanksha08 | so that the intern with get an idea of codebase and then I am sure the intern will continue contributing to OSSP | 17:57 |
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| elmiko | the hard part, is finding the time to have OSSP members groom and create the bugs | 17:57 |
| Akanksha08 | will* | 17:57 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah that’s always been hard | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: +1 | 17:57 |
| michaelxin | hyakuhei: Is it possible to associate syntriobs with OSSP at http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/projects.yaml | 17:57 |
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| tmcpeak | writing notes is nice and focused | 17:57 |
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| hyakuhei | michaelxin: sure | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | oh yeah, I skipped Syntribos :( | 17:57 |
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| elmiko | doh! | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | #topic AOB | 17:58 |
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| tmcpeak | 2 mins! | 17:58 |
| michaelxin | hyakuhei: Great! Thanks. | 17:58 |
| hyakuhei | No problem | 17:58 |
| ccneill | off topic: I made a Chrome Extension to help myself deal with the giant mess that is my tab bar | 17:58 |
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| ccneill | https://github.com/cneill/tagatab | 17:58 |
| ccneill | if anyone else is a serial tab-hoarder | 17:59 |
| michaelxin | hyakuhei: Please drop me a note once it is done. Thanks. | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | oh this looks cool | 17:59 |
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| michaelxin | We are adding features and start testing Solum using it. | 17:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hey folks, sorry, it's time to wrap up | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | michaelxin: you could write the change and ask me to +2 it :P | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| tmcpeak | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 3 18:00:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-03-03-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| hyakuhei | boom! | 18:00 |
| ccneill | o/ | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-03-03-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| tmcpeak | SergeyLukjanov: sorry! | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-03-03-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: fast drive ? | 18:00 |
| michaelxin | cool | 18:00 |
| elmiko | thanks tmcpeak, hyakuhei | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko yup :) | 18:00 |
| tmcpeak | have a good week everybody :) | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hey sahara folks ;) | 18:00 |
| mvaldes | c-ya | 18:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 3 18:00:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:00 |
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| esikachev | hey | 18:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:00 |
| huichun | hello | 18:00 |
| Akanksha08 | hello | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:00 |
| pgadiya | hello | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:00 | |
| vgridnev | hi folks | 18:00 |
| tellesnobrega | o; | 18:01 |
| tellesnobrega | o/ | 18:01 |
| elmiko | yo | 18:01 |
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| elmiko | i'm continuing to do api v2 work, i think we will have a few more hands to help out with it \o/ | 18:01 |
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| elmiko | also bandit should be cleared up this week | 18:02 |
| elmiko | and i've got a security bug that needs review, and a few more coming... | 18:02 |
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| huichun | working on resume EDP patch | 18:02 |
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| esikachev | i am working on ci improvements and updating scenario framework | 18:02 |
| vgridnev | I'm busy with bug fixing and testing sahara, little improvements for the health checks | 18:02 |
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| Poornima | Hi | 18:04 |
| elmiko | hey Poornima | 18:04 |
| vgridnev | I think I will do 2 small improvements to health checks, should I request FFE for that? | 18:04 |
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| tosky | hi | 18:04 |
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| Poornima | elmiko, ;) | 18:04 |
| elmiko | i wanted to introduce, Poornima and pgadiya are fellow red hatters who are interested in working on sahara =) | 18:04 |
| Poornima | hey tosky 0/ | 18:04 |
| vgridnev | welcome! | 18:04 |
| huichun | welcome | 18:04 |
| Poornima | Hello everyone | 18:04 |
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| esikachev | welcome | 18:04 |
| mionkin | hi | 18:04 |
| Akanksha08 | hi Poornima | 18:04 |
| tellesnobrega | welcome aboard :) | 18:04 |
| pgadiya | Hello Everyone | 18:05 |
| huichun | 热烈欢迎 | 18:05 |
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| Akanksha08 | hello pgadiya | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info Sahara Mitaka-3 proposed | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287965/ | 18:05 |
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| vgridnev | SergeyLukjanov, we should not merge features from this point? | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | vgridnev correct | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any more news / updates/ | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ? | 18:06 |
| huichun | FFE request？ for merge features | 18:06 |
| huichun | SergeyLukjanov: | 18:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | let's discuss FFEs as a separated topic | 18:06 |
| huichun | Ok | 18:06 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: +1, i know Akanksha08 is curious about this too | 18:07 |
| Akanksha08 | elmiko, +1 | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | seems like it's time to switch :) | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Mitaka release & FFEs | 18:07 |
| elmiko | hehe | 18:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mitaka release & FFEs (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:07 | |
| rickflare | hello folks | 18:07 |
| elmiko | welcome rickflare | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we're going to have the mitaka-3 today, it's already proposed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287965/ | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, from this point no features should be approved | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | only through the FFEs | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | to request FFE please write to the ml | 18:08 |
| Akanksha08 | can we have FFE for this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269202/ | 18:08 |
| Akanksha08 | for improving anti-affinity feature | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we can discuss all FFE cases right now | 18:09 |
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| huichun | SergeyLukjanov: do we have a launchpad txt for FFE | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | FFE wouldn't be granted if spec isn't yet approved | 18:09 |
| vgridnev | I want FFE for 2 small enhancement for health checks - one to sahara and the second for sahara-dashboard, should I request FFE in ML? | 18:09 |
| huichun | For tracking all FFE request like before | 18:10 |
| tellesnobrega | SergeyLukjanov, i think we can discuss now, but it would be best to send something to the ML just for record keeping | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-mitaka-ff | 18:10 |
| elmiko | tellesnobrega: +1, we should have all FFEs on ML | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tellesnobrega yes | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | to have the FFE granted it should be sent to ML | 18:10 |
| tellesnobrega | just so everyone is clear on that | 18:10 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I'm only talking about discussing 'em now | 18:10 |
| elmiko | yea | 18:11 |
| tellesnobrega | SergeyLukjanov, +1 | 18:11 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | few comments re FFEs | 18:12 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | * if spec isn't approved - no way (we need to fix bugs but not review specs and then code, I'm considering code non-reviewable while spec isn't approved) | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | * avg. FFE should be around 1 week | 18:13 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | any FFEs so far to raise? | 18:15 |
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| vgridnev | SergeyLukjanov, what do think about this: I want FFE for 2 small enhancement for health checks - one to sahara and the second for sahara-dashboard, should I request FFE in ML? | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | core reviewers, please, don't approve features w/o FFE :) | 18:16 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: ack | 18:16 |
| huichun | SergeyLukjanov: I have one resume EDP patch for FFE, spec is merged, suspend EDP patch is merged also | 18:16 |
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| huichun | SergeyLukjanov: send a request in ML? | 18:17 |
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| tellesnobrega | huichun, i think all FFE need to go through ML | 18:18 |
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| huichun | tellesnobrega: roger | 18:19 |
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| vgridnev | SergeyLukjanov, are you ask? | 18:21 |
| vgridnev | ask -> afk? | 18:21 |
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| elmiko | needs more #chair ;) | 18:22 |
| elmiko | always use HA mode | 18:22 |
| huichun | elmiko: you are master now | 18:23 |
| huichun | master server | 18:23 |
| vgridnev | master without permissions is not a master | 18:24 |
| esikachev | ) | 18:24 |
| tellesnobrega | i guess SergeyLukjanov is out, can anyone else lead the meeting? | 18:24 |
| huichun | vgridnev: ^^ | 18:24 |
| Poornima | elmiko++ huichun++ | 18:24 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: sadly... yes | 18:24 |
| Poornima | vgridnev, +1 ;) | 18:24 |
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| elmiko | vgridnev: do you know if anyone at mirantis is looking at a kolla playbook for sahara? | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sorry, I've been checking current specs, need one minute | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we can go ahead, I'll share some thoughts during open discussion | 18:26 |
| elmiko | cool | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko could you please lead | 18:26 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: sure, make me a chair | 18:26 |
| vgridnev | elmiko, I am not sure about this | 18:27 |
| elmiko | i think we are done with FFE business, are there any other questions about it? | 18:27 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: ack, i'll ask again in open discussion | 18:27 |
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| elmiko | sounds like no more FFE questions | 18:27 |
| tmckay | hi, sorry I'm laste | 18:27 |
| tmckay | late | 18:27 |
| elmiko | welcome =) | 18:27 |
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| huichun | Just the right time | 18:28 |
| elmiko | so, i guess i'll give a quick api v2 update, sans topic change | 18:28 |
| elmiko | the initial commit is in place, and i am starting to arrange the work items on the wiki | 18:29 |
| elmiko | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sahara/api-v2 | 18:29 |
| elmiko | i think we will have a few more folks working on the api as well | 18:29 |
| elmiko | so, i am going to start ramping up the patches that will come for it. | 18:29 |
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| elmiko | i have a feeling we will need to wait until the final mitaka rc is released before we merge them though | 18:30 |
| elmiko | so it will be slow for the next month or os | 18:30 |
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| elmiko | any questions about v2? | 18:30 |
| huichun | elmiko: I am interested, will be volunteer | 18:31 |
| elmiko | huichun: great! | 18:31 |
| Poornima | elmiko, I am in :) | 18:31 |
| Akanksha08 | elmiko, I am also interested in working on that | 18:31 |
| elmiko | would it be easier for those who want to be involved if i write the specs needed for the work? | 18:31 |
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| pgadiya | elmiko, count me too :) | 18:31 |
| elmiko | awesome! | 18:32 |
| huichun | V2 api covers lots of EDP parts, I think I can help on that | 18:32 |
| Akanksha08 | so V2 now has a team :) | 18:32 |
| elmiko | yea, seriously | 18:32 |
| elmiko | so, i'm hoping we can use the wiki page to organize our efforts | 18:32 |
| Akanksha08 | yeah | 18:32 |
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| pgadiya | sounds good | 18:33 |
| elmiko | if you see a task there that you are interested in, please put your name in the assignee part and talk to me if you need further guidance | 18:33 |
| elmiko | i will be adding more to it soon | 18:33 |
| tmckay | perfect, looks like we'll get some traction on this | 18:33 |
| Akanksha08 | sure | 18:33 |
| elmiko | also, this is just to complete the initial v2 api. once we have it in place, we can start to iterate on adding more features to the api | 18:33 |
| elmiko | the initial goal should be to implement everything in the spec | 18:33 |
| elmiko | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/sahara-specs/specs/backlog/api-v2-experimental-impl.html | 18:34 |
| huichun | elmiko: you mean put name on that wiki asignee in every work item? | 18:35 |
| elmiko | huichun: just the one you'd like to work on | 18:35 |
| elmiko | or ones | 18:35 |
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| elmiko | hopefully, we can work out a good arrangement where everyone can get something to help with | 18:35 |
| huichun | elmiko: did you list all work items? Currently I can see 7 items | 18:36 |
| elmiko | huichun: i am still working to get them all up there | 18:36 |
| huichun | Clearly | 18:36 |
| elmiko | since this has been slow moving so far, i haven't gotten them all up yet | 18:36 |
| elmiko | and, as i said, we most likely won't be merging any v2 reviews until the freeze is over | 18:36 |
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| elmiko | but, now is a good time to get up to speed on how to enable the v2 api for testing and to familiarize yourself with the tasks you are interested in | 18:37 |
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| elmiko | for those who are interested, i'd like to know if there are any suggestions on things i could do to make this process better | 18:37 |
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| Poornima | elmiko, ack we will come with those soon | 18:38 |
| elmiko | ok, let's move on then | 18:39 |
| huichun | So how is the working process? First choose one item, write the name on it, then just submit the patch? Any other places should record this? | 18:39 |
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| elmiko | huichun: pretty much, yes. write your name down so we know who is working on what. create a spec if it is needed, then generate a patch | 18:39 |
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| huichun | Clearly | 18:40 |
| Poornima | elmiko, are we looking for filing issue tracker bug ? | 18:40 |
| elmiko | Poornima: well, these are bugs per se | 18:41 |
| elmiko | these are all features that will be covered by the original spec, and then supplemental specs | 18:41 |
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| elmiko | much of this is discussed in the original spec | 18:41 |
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| esikachev | next topic? | 18:41 |
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| Poornima | alright | 18:42 |
| huichun | elmiko: should we add one parts in that wiki, bugs which is related or due to V2 api? Separate the other bugs | 18:42 |
| elmiko | and as we create new reviews and specs, we should continue to add "Partial-Implements: bp v2-api-experimental-impl" | 18:42 |
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| huichun | Just for tracking no other means | 18:42 |
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| elmiko | good question | 18:43 |
| elmiko | the original spec describes this work, i don't think we need bugs for each feature | 18:43 |
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| elmiko | as long as we keep referencing back to the blueprint in our reviews, we will be able to track the progress from the bp page | 18:43 |
| elmiko | even for new specs we create. | 18:43 |
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| elmiko | also, yea, lets move on | 18:43 |
| elmiko | we only have 15min left | 18:43 |
| elmiko | any more v2 questions, post them on the ML | 18:44 |
| esikachev | "Scenario tests releases and launchpad project"? | 18:44 |
| elmiko | yes | 18:44 |
| elmiko | who's topic is this? | 18:44 |
| esikachev | let's release sahara_tests :) | 18:44 |
| esikachev | i am | 18:44 |
| elmiko | ok, go for it! | 18:44 |
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| esikachev | release criteria: framework ready for testing the new release of sahara | 18:44 |
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| esikachev | What do you think about it? | 18:45 |
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| elmiko | when you say release, will it be in parity with the sahara release version? | 18:45 |
| tosky | no | 18:45 |
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| tosky | if I understand it correctly, a release is required to publish official tarballs and pypi | 18:46 |
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| elmiko | what is the release cycle for sahara-tests going to be like? | 18:46 |
| elmiko | ah, ok | 18:46 |
| esikachev | tosky: yes | 18:46 |
| tosky | also tempest does async releases | 18:46 |
| elmiko | will sahara-tests follow tempest then? | 18:46 |
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| tosky | well, the criteria are different | 18:46 |
| tosky | tempest creates a release when they have some important change (like recently they remerged the code previously in tempest-lib, and then tagged a release) | 18:47 |
| tosky | or they tag when they stop supporting an openstack release | 18:47 |
| esikachev | tempest have not releases | 18:47 |
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| tosky | it does: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/Tempest | 18:47 |
| esikachev | tags is a just mark | 18:48 |
| tosky | but they are independent from other openstack project, as I explained | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #chair elmiko | 18:48 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SergeyLukjanov elmiko | 18:48 |
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| tosky | yes, it's required also for test dependencies, so that other projects can depend from a certain version of tempest (aka: when a certain feature is available) | 18:48 |
| tosky | anyway | 18:48 |
| elmiko | #topic Scenario tests releases and launchpad project | 18:48 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | huichun, re EDP FFE, please send to ML, I think it's fine to grant | 18:48 |
| elmiko | thanks for the explanation, i don't have an objection to a sahara-tests release | 18:49 |
| elmiko | what needs to be done? | 18:49 |
| tosky | an initial relase, now that sahara-tests is working, is fine; do you have any suggestions when to create further tags? | 18:49 |
| huichun | SergeyLukjanov: clearly | 18:49 |
| esikachev | tosky: all patches merged. sahara-test ready for release | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko we aren't doing any ansible stuff now in mirantis, we're looking for sahara impl in kolla-mesos some day | 18:49 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: gotcha | 18:49 |
| esikachev | tosky: also, i am propose create a launchpad project for bugs in framework or tests | 18:50 |
| esikachev | because is independent dproject | 18:50 |
| tosky | esikachev: yes, no objection for a release now; I was asking for the future, if we want to discuss when to create other tags now, or if we want to do it when it's needed | 18:50 |
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| tosky | uhm, we didn't create a launchpad project for the dashboard; no strong opinion on this, let's hear from the others | 18:50 |
| esikachev | dashboard not released | 18:51 |
| elmiko | yea, given that we didn't split for dashboard. i'm not so sure about sahara-tests | 18:51 |
| elmiko | good point esikachev | 18:51 |
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| vgridnev | for what purpose we need separate project at launchpad? | 18:51 |
| elmiko | i don't have a strong opinion on this, except that it creates a new place to look for sahara related bugs | 18:51 |
| esikachev | if i am found a bug i am specify series for him | 18:51 |
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| tosky | I guess dashboard will release | 18:52 |
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| tosky | and it was released before it was moved to horizon, and still no separate project; but as I said, no opinion | 18:52 |
| esikachev | vgridnev: sahara-tests or dashboard? :) | 18:52 |
| vgridnev | esikachev, sahara-tests, sure | 18:52 |
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| esikachev | vgridnev: for separating bugs by projects and versions | 18:53 |
| elmiko | i think it sounds like, release: yes, launchpad: we need to discuss more | 18:53 |
| esikachev | elmiko: ok | 18:53 |
| tmckay | i think single launchpad, with some kind of [ ] tag is fine | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | re sahara-tests release let's discuss probably in mailing list | 18:53 |
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| elmiko | esikachev: could you put this in an email, your reasons for wanting to create a new launchpad. then we can debate on ML? | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | esikachev could you propose it to ML | 18:53 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: ;) | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I wanna to ensure that we'll raise issues before releasei | 18:54 |
| esikachev | SergeyLukjanov: ok | 18:54 |
| tmckay | hmm, do we have separate launchpad for the client? sie? I forget | 18:54 |
| esikachev | elmiko: ok) | 18:54 |
| esikachev | tmckay: yes | 18:54 |
| vgridnev | tmckay, only for client we have separate project at launched | 18:54 |
| vgridnev | tmckay, only for client we have separate project at launchpad | 18:54 |
| elmiko | let's move on, only 5 min left | 18:55 |
| elmiko | #topic Sahara nightly jobs | 18:55 |
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| elmiko | who added this topic? | 18:55 |
| esikachev | i am) | 18:55 |
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| elmiko | \o/ | 18:55 |
| esikachev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288015/ | 18:55 |
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| esikachev | i am working on adding nightly jobs for sahara | 18:55 |
| huichun | Like nightly build? | 18:56 |
| elmiko | i'm not familiar with this, could you describe briefly esikachev ? | 18:56 |
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| esikachev | elmiko: sure | 18:56 |
| esikachev | i propose every night run full-stack of jobs for testing sahara master | 18:57 |
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| esikachev | and add new scenario for it | 18:57 |
| elmiko | this is different than the tests we run for each review? | 18:57 |
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| esikachev | in plans: Ambari and CDH (all processes), HA for all services, All EDP jobs, External HDFS, Fake plugin on Python 3 | 18:58 |
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| esikachev | elmiko: yes is different scenarios | 18:58 |
| esikachev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285663/ | 18:59 |
| esikachev | for cdh and ambari ^^ | 18:59 |
| elmiko | ok, cool | 18:59 |
| elmiko | also, 1 min... | 18:59 |
| esikachev | do you have any ideas for nightly builds? | 18:59 |
| elmiko | it sounds good to me =) | 18:59 |
| huichun | esikachev: so everytime when we submit patches, it will trigger tests, passed, then merged, then will run nightly extra? | 18:59 |
| huichun | At night | 19:00 |
| elmiko | ok, times up | 19:00 |
| esikachev | huichun: yes | 19:00 |
| elmiko | please take the discussion to openstack-sahara | 19:00 |
| esikachev | ok | 19:00 |
| elmiko | thank you everyone! | 19:00 |
| elmiko | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 3 19:00:34 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-03-03-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-03-03-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-03-03-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
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