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| edleafe | #startmeeting Nova Scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 7 14:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Nova Scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Anyone interested in talking about the scheduler? | 14:00 |
| _gryf | o/ | 14:00 |
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| Yingxin | \o | 14:00 |
| * bauzas waves | 14:00 | |
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| * n0ano run away! | 14:01 | |
| bauzas | meh, I have a French movie about that case :p | 14:01 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:02 |
| edleafe | #topic Mitaka priorites | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mitaka priorites (Meeting topic: Nova Scheduler)" | 14:02 | |
| edleafe | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:02 |
| cdent | everything everywhere got -2 :( | 14:02 |
| edleafe | looks like nearly all has either merged or been -2'd | 14:02 |
| cdent | we should have a retrospective on how to do better next time | 14:02 |
| edleafe | cdent: easy: clone jaypipes early in the cycle | 14:03 |
| Yingxin | unfortunately got two -2s | 14:03 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 14:03 |
| cdent | edleafe: next time | 14:03 |
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| edleafe | anyone have anything to mention about any of outstanding patches? | 14:03 |
| bauzas | heh, don't be worry, it should be merged very close after RC1 | 14:04 |
| edleafe | cdent: start mixing the DNA | 14:04 |
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| edleafe | nothing? OK | 14:04 |
| edleafe | #topic Bugs | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: Nova Scheduler)" | 14:04 | |
| cdent | bauzas: I'm not worried about the code, I'm worried about the users | 14:04 |
| edleafe | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=scheduler | 14:04 |
| edleafe | cdent: missing the end of a cycle always stings | 14:05 |
| edleafe | So is anyone working on these, or focusing on the RC-blockers for nova? | 14:05 |
| * cdent shrugs, does not feel stung | 14:05 | |
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| cdent | edleafe: I will be looking at bugs later in the week | 14:06 |
| edleafe | cdent: cool | 14:06 |
| Yingxin | fixed a bug, looking for reviewers: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289193/ | 14:06 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: thanks - I'll look at that later | 14:06 |
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| bauzas | I propose to add a section in the etherpad of doom for mentioning priority bugs | 14:07 |
| Yingxin | will fix more during bug smash day :) | 14:07 |
| edleafe | bauzas: sounds like a good idea - go for it! | 14:07 |
| bauzas | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | bauzas, Yingxin, cdent, edleafe: I pushed new revisions for the scheduler blueprints (targeted now at Newton) for the generic-resource-pools, compute-node-inventory, and resource-providers-allocations specs. Reviews welcome and appreciated. | 14:07 |
| edleafe | #action Review new versions of jaypipes' specs | 14:08 |
| edleafe | thanks jaypipes | 14:08 |
| bauzas | just modified https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking to add a note for bugs in the scheduler prio | 14:08 |
| edleafe | thx bauzas | 14:09 |
| edleafe | Anything else for bugs? | 14:09 |
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| jaypipes | when does newton code open again? | 14:09 |
| edleafe | as soon as they cut RC1 | 14:10 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: right when pushing RC1 | 14:10 |
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| jaypipes | which is..? | 14:10 |
| edleafe | jinx | 14:10 |
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| bauzas | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 14:10 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: $ | 14:10 |
| bauzas | erm | 14:10 |
| bauzas | Mar 15-17: RC1 and HardStringFreeze | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | k | 14:11 |
| bauzas | or rather http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/schedule.html | 14:11 |
| bauzas | R-3 | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | question... should I tackle https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1549984 in next week? | 14:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1549984 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "PCI devices claimed on compute node during _claim_test()" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Jay Pipes (jaypipes) | 14:11 |
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| edleafe | #topic opens | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "opens (Meeting topic: Nova Scheduler)" | 14:12 | |
| edleafe | I have one thing | 14:12 |
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| jaypipes | I did a patch for ^ in the pci-generate-stats patch series, but I can pull it out of there and add into mainline | 14:12 |
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| edleafe | n0ano asked me to chair this meeting from now on, and I'm glad to do it. But I will be on holiday next week. Anyone want to run it in my place? | 14:12 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: that's an High prio bug, we can even discuss that straight after the meeting in -nova | 14:13 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: k | 14:13 |
| bauzas | hopefully we could land this for Mitaka | 14:13 |
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| edleafe | is there a chance of this making it into Mitaka? | 14:14 |
| bauzas | well, that's why we should talk on that right after the meeting (or now) | 14:15 |
| bauzas | but not wait for one week :) | 14:15 |
| bauzas | if that's an high prio bug | 14:15 |
| edleafe | -nova would be better if others might need to weigh in on it | 14:15 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: that said, I would honestly having it categorized as Medium because it doesn't impact having instances scheduled with pci requests, right? | 14:16 |
| bauzas | but let's discuss on the problem and see how we can fix that by Mitaka | 14:16 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: it is a data corruption bug. the PCI device can be claimed on a host when the instance actually fails the claim. | 14:16 |
| bauzas | what we honestly need is some decent CI for PCI :) | 14:16 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: without that, it's just P | 14:17 |
| edleafe | :) | 14:17 |
| edleafe | OK, anything else? | 14:18 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: yeah I see, it's exhausting PCI resources | 14:18 |
| bauzas | either way, I don't want to nitpick on the prio, if we have people volunteering on that one, I'd be glad to review and hopefully approve that by Mitaka | 14:19 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: yes, I already have code pushed that fixes the issue. I just need to rebase it on master instead of dstepanenko's patch series. | 14:19 |
| jaypipes | I will do that shortly. | 14:20 |
| bauzas | nice, so, adding this in the etherpad for tracking bugs, and ping me once you're done with the rebase | 14:20 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: ^ | 14:20 |
| jaypipes | rock on. thx sir :) | 14:20 |
| bauzas | honestly, I totally understand this as a blocker for people wanting to do PCI requesting, we should make sure it lands in time | 14:20 |
| bauzas | that's one of the reasons we have FF, to make sure we can decently work on those kind of nasty bugs | 14:21 |
| edleafe | yes, let's get this in Mitaka | 14:21 |
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| edleafe | Antyhing more? | 14:21 |
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| edleafe | Anything, even | 14:21 |
| Yingxin | jaypipes: I'd like to participate in implementing resource provider series for newton | 14:21 |
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| edleafe | I think a goal for us as a subteam is to get better at spreading out the workload | 14:23 |
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| edleafe | We improved in this cycle | 14:23 |
| edleafe | but could do better in Newton | 14:23 |
| edleafe | Let's continue in -nova if there is anything else. | 14:24 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 7 14:24:26 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-03-07-14.00.html | 14:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-03-07-14.00.txt | 14:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-03-07-14.00.log.html | 14:24 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 7 15:01:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:01 | |
| rossella_s | hi | 15:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:01 |
| korzen | hello | 15:01 |
| slunkad | hello | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | hi :) | 15:01 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:02 | |
| ihrachys | so we have the code sprint next week March 14-16 in Brno. I guess everyone who planned to go already booked hotels/flights. | 15:02 |
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| ihrachys | it's worth we work on the etherpad for the sprint before the next week | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/code-sprint-neutron-objects-brno | 15:03 |
| rossella_s | right :) | 15:03 |
| korzen | I have added a few points worth discussing | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | korzen is cool, so he started a draft of agenda for the sprint, line 42+ | 15:03 |
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| enriquetaso | rossella_s: hello | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: discussing here or at the event? | 15:04 |
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| mhickey | Hello, sorry i'm late | 15:05 |
| korzen | we can go quickly right now | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | korzen: ok, please lead :) | 15:05 |
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| rossella_s | enriquetaso, welcome | 15:05 |
| korzen | ok, so the first one the obvious: Port all database entities to OVO | 15:05 |
| korzen | I guess that it would be nice to have the list and share the items with volountiers | 15:06 |
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| ihrachys | yay. I guess we should come with some short-term plan for the sprint that is more realistic. | 15:06 |
| korzen | so if we have new people we can point to the TODO list | 15:06 |
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| ihrachys | let's say we at least solve port and subnets on the sprint and document everything. | 15:07 |
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| korzen | in the objectification it would be also nice to have performance comparison before OVO and after | 15:07 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, agreed | 15:07 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: rally jobs should give some insight | 15:07 |
| korzen | As we discussed earlier - we can define use cases for OVO | 15:08 |
| korzen | it means, where the OVO would be used | 15:08 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, did you hear back from armax, is it confirmed that Newton will be open? | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: not yet. I think it was Fri the last time we talked. | 15:09 |
| korzen | and how to go forward with online schema migration and online schema migration | 15:09 |
| armax | rossella_s: newton will be open as soon as stable/mitaka is open, that should happen at the end of this week | 15:09 |
| armax | rossella_s: or first thing next week | 15:09 |
| rossella_s | armax, great, thanks a lot! | 15:09 |
| korzen | thanks armax, great news | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | armax++ | 15:10 |
| mhickey | armax, welcome! :) | 15:10 |
| rossella_s | so ihrachys can we aim at having port and subnet merged and working in Newton after the sprint? :) | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | so we should be ready to land stuff on the sprint | 15:10 |
| armax | no problem folks :) keep up the good work! | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: I think we should, yes. :) | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | that would be a lot of stuff already, and we'll have many foundational blocks already set in tree for quick proceeding on remaining resources | 15:11 |
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| slunkad | will port also include the port extensions? | 15:11 |
| rossella_s | yep that would be perfect | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | remember, one thing that should come up from the first objects we'll land is a detailed documentation on transition process. | 15:11 |
| rossella_s | slunkad, yes | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | slunkad: I think that's a requirement to land port, yes | 15:12 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, good reminder | 15:12 |
| korzen | I guess that would be enough work for 3 days ;) | 15:12 |
| slunkad | cool | 15:12 |
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| mhickey | korzen: no time for food or beer! :) | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | korzen: :-) but I guess we'll need to touch other topics at least to set everyone on the same page for Newton | 15:13 |
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| korzen | ok, just joking, what can we do more is Grenade testing | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | korzen: you had some more topics in the etherpad. dare to elaborate? | 15:13 |
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| korzen | Grenade or upgrade testing lacks of dataplane connectivity test in CI | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | + on grenade. I think we made a huge progress in Mitaka, but it's not enough, we should strive for more :) | 15:14 |
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| korzen | we should work on solution enabling the flow testing are not dropped | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | korzen: actually, for agent restart, I saw a patch from hmlnarik lately that had a functional test that validates just that. right rossella_s ? | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: I saw you were reviewing that test. [unless I halucinate] | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | it's not exactly upgrade, but could be a good start. | 15:15 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, i don't know how you can keep up with so many things, that's right | 15:15 |
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| ihrachys | that thing: | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284639/8/neutron/tests/functional/agent/test_l2_ovs_agent.py | 15:16 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, right it's a good start, it not about upgrade but about restarting the agent | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: huh. Hynek sits right to me in the office, that's how :P | 15:16 |
| korzen | the question is, can we take advantage of it in Grenade tests? | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | long story short, the test simulates agent restarts and checks that ping works. | 15:16 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, oh really? :D I had a conversation with him regarding the test... | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: for grenade, I guess no. we would need to come up with some background process running during l2 agent upgrade (that would go to usual, 'non-partial' grenade flavor) | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: ok, anything else on your agenda for sprint? | 15:18 |
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| korzen | I guess we can also talk about the RPC callback being used for Port or smth | 15:19 |
| korzen | definitly for Newton release | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | korzen: yes, we may need to start thinking of how we make RPC layer more strict. I don't think we'll spend much time actually coding anything there on the sprint, but it's good to have a brief discussion on the next steps. | 15:20 |
| korzen | and also the reference architecture for rolling upgrade scenario in Neutron | 15:20 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, I agree, it definitely needs discussion. We can start during the sprint but I think we will have to talk about it again at the summit | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | korzen: can you elaborate on the last one? is it some detailed description of upgrade process and what's supported somewhere in user visible docs? | 15:21 |
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| korzen | I'm seeing the ref implementation as an description of what Neutron components we are testing | 15:22 |
| korzen | and procedure as well | 15:22 |
| korzen | procedure of upgrades | 15:22 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: something in networking-guide? what's the audience? | 15:22 |
| korzen | audence should be operators | 15:23 |
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| korzen | I'm not sure if it is worth dicussing on the code sprint but just my thought | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | korzen: ok, so I guess it's networking-guide material | 15:25 |
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| ihrachys | I guess we'll discuss a lot of stuff, that's good to collect ideas, even if small :) | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | ok great. all in all, I encourage everyone to go the etherpad and build agenda on top of what korzen contributed. | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | korzen: thanks for doing it. | 15:26 |
| korzen | ihrachys, np. | 15:26 |
| mhickey | korzen:++ | 15:26 |
| saisriki | hi, sorry i'm late | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | let's move to more general topics (even though we touched some of them already) | 15:26 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:26 |
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| ihrachys | for that, there was not much progress merging patches due to Mitaka freeze | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | as we discussed already, master will be open next week. | 15:27 |
| saisriki | attending bug hackathon in the castle | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | so we'll be able to break the world :) | 15:27 |
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| ihrachys | I suspect there is not much need to cover specific patches for objects. | 15:27 |
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| korzen | my patch got merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275790/ composite primary key | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | yay | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | overall, the only comment I have is that | 15:27 |
| mhickey | korzen: well done | 15:28 |
| saisriki | korzen: great | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | ...if you have patches in review, you better get them in shape for sprint time | 15:28 |
| electrocucaracha | korzen, :) | 15:28 |
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| korzen | I think the most important one now is: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283711 | 15:28 |
| korzen | Handle synthetic fields in NeutronDbObject | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | so that we don't lag on merging/reviewing them ;) | 15:28 |
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| korzen | yes, so I would work on SUbnet and maybe network patches to get up to date :) | 15:29 |
| rossella_s | I am updating the patch according to korzen's comment | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | korzen: will need to wait till Mitaka. we could land some custom type patches this week since they are isolated, but that's it. | 15:29 |
| mhickey | rossella_s: maybe set topic to ov for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283711? | 15:29 |
| mhickey | *ovo | 15:29 |
| mhickey | ihrachys; custom type patches seem to be locked down? | 15:30 |
| rossella_s | mhickey, right | 15:30 |
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| ihrachys | mhickey: locked down as in '-2 from Armando'? | 15:30 |
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| mhickey | ihrachys: yes, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277558/ | 15:31 |
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| ihrachys | ok, if something of those patches is really ready to land, we can talk it thru with Armando case by case | 15:31 |
| mhickey | strangely enough, cidr is not: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285349/ | 15:31 |
| korzen | yay :) | 15:32 |
| mhickey | korzen: lol | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | a glitch I guess. or the fact that I +2 on the first one, so there was a risk it will land with no approval. | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's solve it off the meeting | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:32 |
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| mhickey | ihrachys: maybe not, I might have upset armax at the mid-cycle! :) | 15:33 |
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| ihrachys | for partial, I guess we are waiting for N to open to enable voting for the job | 15:33 |
| armax | mhickey: far from it! | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | we also landed DVR experimental job | 15:33 |
| mhickey | armax: ciao | 15:33 |
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| armax | mhickey: buongiorno! | 15:33 |
| armax | mhickey: scusa, buonasera | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | and I heard Sean made a huge progress on that one, making it passing the vote in the experimental queue | 15:34 |
| armax | ihrachys: the dvr one? | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | sadly, Sean is not here right now (he was planning to travel by train, that's why) | 15:34 |
| korzen | yes, the multinode DVR job was merged last week, I have done the initial run: http://logs.openstack.org/50/281850/7/experimental/gate-grenade-dsvm-neutron-dvr-multinode/7b81449/ | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | armax: yes, dvr passed with some patch from Sean, as per Sean himself | 15:34 |
| armax | ihrachys: nice | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | armax: I thought we will get details here, but probably not right now | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | armax: it is huge, not just nice. | 15:35 |
| armax | ihrachys: you’re younger and more enthusiastic than me | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | also, armax proposed a patch to add rolling-upgrade tag to neutron | 15:35 |
| armax | ihrachys: it’s understandable | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286817/ | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | armax: :P | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | that said, armax seems to be unconvinced what we have justifies the tag right now | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | if I understand you correctly, you want us to evaluate *aas gates for partial job too, right? | 15:36 |
| armax | ihrachys: I am mulling over the idea, I am not entirely convinced | 15:36 |
| armax | ihrachys: but ultimately that’s down to what the stadium looks like | 15:37 |
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| armax | ihrachys: because if we turn out to remove all projects but neutron, then even the question goes away | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | I guess one thing we may want to deliver to the project after the sprint is some high level description of what we consider a proper subset of upgrade scenarios that would reflect real deployments and won't require a dozen of new jobs. | 15:37 |
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| ihrachys | even if not *aas in the scope, then we have e.g. mixed L3 HA agent versions scenario (raised by Sean today) | 15:38 |
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| ihrachys | any thoughts folks on where we should claim 'done'? | 15:38 |
| korzen | ihrachys, can you elaborate more on the L3 HA scenario? | 15:38 |
| armax | ihrachys: I don’t think the L3 HA scenario should be added to the mix, but ideally we could simply consider a multinode | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | korzen: if you run HA router served by two separate nodes, you may want to make sure that it's still working (VRRP talking) when you upgrade a node per step | 15:39 |
| armax | DVR+HA | 15:39 |
| armax | I think ultimately the most intereting multinode testing | 15:39 |
| armax | the others, perhaps we can afford to have them set up as periodic | 15:40 |
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| ihrachys | armax: one more general question to tackle is when we talk about rolling scenarios, do we envision per-service upgrade or per-node upgrade? | 15:40 |
| armax | ihrachys: what do you mean? | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | the difference is that in the former case you would want to test e.g. new nova-compute with old l2 agent. | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | and in the latter, you would assume a compute node runs the same major version of all components of all projects | 15:41 |
| armax | ihrachys: I think it’s safe to assume the latter | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | and the same would go about 'networking' node that would run l3 agent and dhcp agent and whatnot | 15:41 |
| armax | ihrachys: but we can double check with the nova guys | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | yes, latter should be safe. also it should reflect reality. [at least until major use case is containerized] | 15:42 |
| armax | typically you’d refresh all deps on a single node | 15:42 |
| armax | ihrachys: right | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | armax: I talked to dansmith about that, he was actually pretty happy we DON'T assume per-service upgrades | 15:42 |
| armax | ihrachys: that said, it should be entirely possible to have nova N to work with Neutron N-1 | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | armax: of course. the question is more about testing matrix than about what we claim to support. | 15:43 |
| armax | ihrachys: we don’t in fact | 15:43 |
| armax | ihrachys: there’s not any amount of testing that can replace a good and intelligent review | 15:43 |
| armax | from a human being | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | amen on that | 15:43 |
| korzen | are there any teams already doing the rolling upgrades in scale env? | 15:44 |
| korzen | not the dev setup, the large servers with 200+ VMs on it | 15:44 |
| korzen | it would be nice to have tests done in semi automated way testing the project upgrade during last day of dev cycle | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | not that I know. we have very limited rolling scenario testing in-house | 15:45 |
| korzen | because what we have to do now, is to setup M-3 and check the liberty to M-3 or Mitaka RC1 upgrade | 15:46 |
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| korzen | to be sure before release that nothing critcal got merdeg during Mitaka | 15:47 |
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| korzen | s/merdeg/merged | 15:47 |
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| rossella_s | korzen, I don't think we have anything like that | 15:48 |
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| ihrachys | I hear you. it always comes with the question on who is going to do the testing (and documentation of the process for later upgrade checks) | 15:48 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, korzen are we a bit OT now? | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | overall, that raises the question of neutron not having any major release check list that PTL or someone in charge could go thru and validate that all usual release stuff is covered. | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | yeah, we probably are :) | 15:49 |
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| ihrachys | let's move on | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | actually, I have nothing so... | 15:49 |
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| rossella_s | we can discuss that after the meeting | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:50 |
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| korzen | talking about test the L3 HA in CI | 15:50 |
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| rossella_s | I just wanted to say, let's brush up the ovo patches these week so that we can easily merge them during the sprint | 15:50 |
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| korzen | we would need to have 3 node setup right? | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s++ | 15:50 |
| mhickey | rossella_s: Agreed ++ | 15:51 |
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| mhickey | clearing these patches in progress, could clear the way for whats next TBD | 15:51 |
| ihrachys | korzen: probably yes. controller (running l3 agent) + networking node (the agent too) + compute | 15:51 |
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| korzen | currently there are 2 nodes used | 15:52 |
| korzen | it would be hard work to setup 3 nodes | 15:52 |
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| ihrachys | first we should discuss whether it's what we want, then we may look into what's missing on devstack-gate side | 15:53 |
| korzen | mostly in devstack-gate | 15:53 |
| ihrachys | I believe devstack-gate supports more nodes | 15:53 |
| ihrachys | I saw its code referring to subnode arrays | 15:53 |
| ihrachys | I am sure there are devils in details though | 15:54 |
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| korzen | but configuration is written up to handle controller and subnode | 15:54 |
| korzen | it woudl require more 'if's | 15:54 |
| korzen | to add third node :P | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | more spaghetti, yes. as if devstack-gate does not have enough of it. | 15:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am curious, why would three nodes be useful? | 15:55 |
| slunkad | is someone already working on the Port security? | 15:55 |
| slunkad | since we decided to brush up all the ovo patches.. I am not sure we have a patch for that | 15:55 |
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| rossella_s | slunkad, enriquetaso is working on it | 15:56 |
| korzen | johnthetubaguy, the thee node is useful when you have testing the multiple L3 agents | 15:56 |
| ihrachys | johnthetubaguy: which nodes are going to run l3 agent? or do you suggest we should land l3 agent on compute node to save a node? | 15:56 |
| slunkad | oh awesome enriquetaso | 15:56 |
| slunkad | :) | 15:56 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I guess I was thinking run that on one of the existing nodes, yeah | 15:57 |
| slunkad | btw enriquetaso is an applicant for this round of the Outreachy internship | 15:57 |
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| slunkad | for those who don't know :) | 15:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | ihrachys: so yeah, +1 your suggestion, but that might complicate some of the routes, etc, I guess, to that might be a bad idea | 15:57 |
| enriquetaso | enriquetaso: I'm working on it haha | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | enriquetaso: great! | 15:57 |
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| ihrachys | johnthetubaguy: we may think indeed about landing it on compute. as long as other compute services are running old code, that can give us proper coverage. | 15:58 |
| ihrachys | need to think about it. | 15:58 |
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| ihrachys | ok folks, we need to wrap up. please make sure all OVO patches are in good shape for the next week sprint, and keep up the good work! | 15:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | ihrachys: ack | 15:59 |
| rossella_s | thanks ihrachys | 15:59 |
| slunkad | yep! bye :) | 15:59 |
| korzen | thanks, bye | 15:59 |
| enriquetaso | thanks ihrachys | 15:59 |
| saisriki | thank you | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | btw I will try to arrange a video conf option for the code sprint, will post details later. | 15:59 |
| mhickey | thanks, bye | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-03-07-15.01.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-03-07-15.01.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-03-07-15.01.log.html | 15:59 |
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| haypo | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 7 16:00:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is haypo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| haypo | courtesy ping for GheRivero, amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, harlowja, haypo, | 16:00 |
| haypo | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, spamaps | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | yo yo | 16:00 |
| haypo | courtesy ping for sergmelikyan, sreshetnyak, sileht, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek, gcb | 16:00 |
| haypo | courtesy ping for dukhlov, lxsli, rbradfor, mikal, nakato, tcammann1, browne, | 16:00 |
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| haypo | _o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | \o | 16:00 |
| ozamiatin_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | yay! | 16:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:01 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 16:01 |
| haypo | dims asked me to organize the meeting today, i will follow https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-meeting-agenda | 16:01 |
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| bknudson | let's roll | 16:01 |
| lxsli | o/ | 16:01 |
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| haypo | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:01 |
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| johnsom | Nothing to report | 16:01 |
| bknudson | none for keystone that I'm aware of | 16:01 |
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| ihrachys | nothing major from neutron side | 16:02 |
| stevemar | o/ | 16:02 |
| haypo | good, good :) | 16:02 |
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| haypo | hum, it looks too easy. i just wait one more minute to ensure that everybody joined :) | 16:03 |
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| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:03 |
| dims | hello from rbradfor and dims from NYC - we are not really here :) | 16:03 |
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| toabctl | hi | 16:04 |
| haypo | #topic Any stop-ship Bugs needed to be fixed for Mitaka | 16:04 |
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| jecarey | o/ | 16:04 |
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| harlowja_at_home | dims, lol | 16:04 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:05 |
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| haypo | strange, no blocker bug on oslo? :) no recent eventlet storm? :) | 16:05 |
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| harlowja_at_home | :-P | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | they did a release for some security thing right haypo ? | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | haypo: Don't look at gift horse in the mouth. | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | it's early, we may have some bugs filed this week as the other projects work on hardening | 16:07 |
| haypo | harlowja_at_home: i recall an email about a "funny" ssl bug | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, haypo i sorta remember that one to, lol | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | *that email | 16:07 |
| haypo | harlowja_at_home: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/eventlet/0.18.4 was released at 2016-02-17, it looks like the security fix was not released yet? | 16:07 |
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| harlowja_at_home | oh | 16:08 |
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| * harlowja_at_home finds that email | 16:08 | |
| haypo | ok, let's move on | 16:08 |
| haypo | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/eventlet/0.18.4 | 16:08 |
| haypo | oops | 16:08 |
| haypo | #topic Any bumps needed in global requirements? | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Any bumps needed in global requirements? (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:08 | |
| haypo | i read "the minimum version of dogpile.cache was updated and only oslo.cache controls which version is used, so dims and dhellmann discussed an oslo.cache release this week to update that minimum" in the agenda | 16:08 |
| haypo | dhellmann: ^^ | 16:08 |
| haypo | dhellmann: is there something to do on oslo.cache? | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I haven't looked to see if oslo.cache uses the latest dogpile, yet, but it should just be a requirements patch | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | when we have that, we need a new oslo.cache release to enforce the minimum everywhere | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | does someone want to volunteer to handle that? I can provide guidance but I have something else I have to do this week | 16:09 |
| enriquetaso | rossella_s: I'm not sure how to download and implement the path.. I have problems running run_tests.sh because of that | 16:09 |
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| haypo | dhellmann: https://github.com/openstack/oslo.cache/blob/master/requirements.txt#L6 dogpile.cache>=0.5.7 # BSD | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | ok, so we just need the release request | 16:10 |
| haypo | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/dogpile.cache latest release: 0.5.7 | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | dims : were you going to handle the release, or are you busy squashing bugs? :-) ^^ | 16:11 |
| haypo | i see dogpile.cache===0.5.7 in upper-constraints.txt and dogpile.cache>=0.5.7 # BSD in global requirements | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | haypo : right, but only oslo.cache actually has a direct dependency on it iiuc, so we need to release oslo.cache to ensure that the >=0.5.7 is honored for installations outside of the gate | 16:12 |
| haypo | dhellmann: >=0.5.7 in oslo.cache is a recent change? we only need an oslo.cache release? | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | that is my understanding, from dims, yes | 16:12 |
| haypo | dhellmann: i can do the oslo.cache release | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | haypo : ok, if you submit the request I'll process it asap | 16:13 |
| haypo | #topic master branch is open for business | 16:13 |
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| harlowja_at_home | oh it is?? | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:13 |
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| dhellmann | we haven't cut stable branches, yet, but we'll cut them from the most recent releases | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | kk | 16:13 |
| haypo | i didn't know, i copy/paste what's written in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-meeting-agenda :-D | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:13 |
| * harlowja_at_home just checking | 16:14 | |
| dhellmann | I expect to do the branching tomorrow, or late today when dims has time to coordinate | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | sounds good | 16:14 |
| haypo | should we remove the -2 from "all oslo issues"? | 16:14 |
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| harlowja_at_home | +1 | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | thought there was a script that did all those | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | probably script can undo all them, ha | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home : use the bknudson bot | 16:15 |
| haypo | bknudson: you put the -2 on "all olso issues", right? will you be able to remove these votes? | 16:15 |
| haypo | dhellmann: ah, bknudson is a bot? :-D | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:15 |
| bknudson | just tell me when the stable branches are created and I'll remove the -2s | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'm a bot to | 16:15 |
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| haypo | harlowja_at_home: i knew it! | 16:15 |
| amrith | hello! | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:16 |
| bknudson | is there a script for this? otherwise I could put one together | 16:16 |
| bknudson | it's easy enough to do it through the gui | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | if anyone has a script, they've kept it to themselves | 16:16 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson : maybe put whatever you write in the release-tools repo? | 16:17 |
| bknudson | ok, I'll take a stab at it | 16:17 |
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| haypo | ok, more exciting stuff next: | 16:18 |
| haypo | #topic Gather session ideas for Austin | 16:18 |
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| haypo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-oslo-summit-planning | 16:18 |
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| haypo | by the way, i understood that we are looking for a new Oslo PTL for the next cycle | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | seems like that's the case, ha | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | yes, I hope we have a few candidates | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | if anyone is considering running and wants to talk privately, I'd be happy to share my experiences and I'm sure dims would, too | 16:19 |
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| harlowja_at_home | just don't build a wall around mexico, thx, lol | 16:19 |
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| haypo | i already see a few items for the oslo sessions | 16:20 |
| haypo | what's the deadline to propose new ideas? | 16:20 |
| amrith | I will get hats made that say "Make OSLO great again". | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | I'm not sure that's set, yet. Usually the new PTL is responsible for the planning. | 16:20 |
| haypo | the summi is in ~1 month 1/2 | 16:20 |
| dims | amrith : LOL | 16:20 |
| dims | dhellmann : +1 | 16:21 |
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| haypo | amrith: lol | 16:21 |
| kgiusti | amrith: but will the hat be made in china? :0 | 16:21 |
| amrith | kgiusti, of course! | 16:21 |
| haypo | dhellmann: oh, so we need a new PTL quickly :) at least before the summit :) | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, +1 :) | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | haypo : yes, nominations should open on the 11th and elections will happen about a week after that, I think | 16:21 |
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| amrith | dhellmann, the election email said the appointment would be 3/24 | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTL_Elections_March_2016 | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | amrith : yes, that's when they close | 16:23 |
| haypo | should we kill https://github.com/openstack/oslo-incubator ? | 16:23 |
| haypo | or does it still contain anything useful? | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | it contains memories | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home : <3 | 16:24 |
| haypo | harlowja_at_home: the lovely oslo namespace... | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:24 |
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| haypo | https://github.com/openstack/oslo-incubator/blob/master/pypi/oslo/__init__.py | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | seems like its mostly tools/scripts now | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | and dashboards | 16:24 |
| haypo | ah yes | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | maybe rename ---> oslo_tools | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | or something | 16:24 |
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| haypo | but i see no code anymore, so it's ok for me to keep it | 16:25 |
| haypo | #topic apply for stable:follows-policy tag | 16:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "apply for stable:follows-policy tag (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:25 | |
| lxsli | I saw on hound that a few projects still have copies of incubator in them, are we helping them clear those up? | 16:25 |
| haypo | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088592.html | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | yeah, renaming repos requires taking gerrit down so unless it's a really high priority I'd just leave it | 16:25 |
| toabctl | looks like it no longer works. I recognized that some projects use still i.e. openstack/common/apiclient/ but that's gone and there is no olso.apiclient or so. | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | lxsli : we should make that a priority for the next cycle | 16:25 |
| haypo | lxsli: i sent some patches to solum | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | lxsli : see "Oslo Libraries Adoption" in the summit etherpad, line ~48 | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | I have a todo this week to look at what Cinder is still using from incubator and try to clean things up. | 16:25 |
| lxsli | dhellmann: cool, thanks | 16:25 |
| haypo | lxsli: but it looks non trivial to upgrade to oslo libraries :-/ i had to wait 1 month or more to get a review and then the patch doesn't apply... | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | :( | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | haypo : yeah, we will need to work with projects that have fallen behind to prioritize the reviews because the patch will be somewhat big | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | for the state:follows-policy tag, should all of oslo libraries have said tag? | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | I think at this point they have to adopt all of the libraries at once | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | *stable:follows-policy | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home : pbr does not, and mox3 probably shouldn't be counted as following | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | stable:follows-policy-a-little | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home : but most will, yeah -- we need to review the list and see what makes sense | 16:27 |
| haypo | dhellmann: hum, it's not easy to produce reviewable patches that fix everything at once | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home : stable:only-a-bit-wobbly | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:27 |
| haypo | my latest solum change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273566/ | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | haypo : yes, an incremental change modifying incubated files may be another approach | 16:27 |
| lxsli | dhellmann: sounds better | 16:28 |
| haypo | for solum, my "Use oslo_serialization library" change was already merged | 16:28 |
| haypo | dhellmann: it's a compromise yes | 16:28 |
| haypo | toabctl: apiclient was declared dead and must be replaced with keystoneauth and cliff no? | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | in the past we didn't want to do that because it meant drift between projects and the incubator, but since the incubator is empty now... | 16:29 |
| haypo | harlowja_at_home, dhellmann : sorry i didn't follow, is there anything to do for stable:follows-policy ? | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | haypo : someone needs to figure out which libs should have the tag, and propose a patch to the governance repo to apply them | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | maybe dims and some of our PTL candidates can consult on that | 16:31 |
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| haypo | ok | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | sounds good | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | since that's the sort of thing a PTL would need to do... | 16:31 |
| haypo | #topic Open discussion | 16:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:31 | |
| haypo | Any stuck reviews? | 16:31 |
| haypo | would you mind to review this simple backport to liberty? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277160/ oslo.log & Add ISO8601/RFC3339 timestamp to ContextFormatter | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287470/ simple one (with a real bug associated) | 16:32 |
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| dhellmann | haypo : that's a feature, isn't it? | 16:33 |
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| haypo | dhellmann: it's unclear to me if isotime is something new or not :-p | 16:33 |
| lxsli | I'd call it a feature tbh | 16:34 |
| lxsli | adds a var to the format | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | haypo : yeah, it also adds a new requirement and that's forbidden | 16:35 |
| haypo | dhellmann: yeah, it adds a dep to python-dateutil | 16:35 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, unfortunately we can't take that change | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | what we could do is test the mitaka release of oslo.log with liberty to see if they could use that instead | 16:35 |
| haypo | dhellmann: i don't recall the rationale, it's to respect a standard for logs | 16:35 |
| haypo | dhellmann: if it doesn't occur upstream, we may backport the change downstream ;) | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | that's a downstream distributor's choice | 16:36 |
| haypo | dhellmann: i don't think that we use an oslo version of a more recent openstack, we usually backport changes downstream. but yeah, it's our problem :) | 16:37 |
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| haypo | harlowja_at_home: i should take a look, but it's non trivial at the first look :) | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | I do see this as useful and important, it just doesn't fit our backport policy | 16:38 |
| haypo | dhellmann: sure, i understand the policy :) | 16:38 |
| haypo | anything else? | 16:38 |
| haypo | i have to leave :) | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | nothing from me | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | thanks for running the meeting, haypo | 16:38 |
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| haypo | #endmeeting | 16:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 7 16:38:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:38 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-03-07-16.00.log.html | 16:39 |
| haypo | see you on #openstack-oslo ;) | 16:39 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks. | 16:39 |
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| mfedosin | Courtesy meeting reminder ( #openstack-meeting-alt ): nikhil_k, ativelkov, mfedosin, docaedo, dshakhray, kfox111, kairat, nikhil, sudipto | 17:30 |
| mfedosin | #startmeeting glare | 17:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 7 17:30:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mfedosin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:30 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glare' | 17:30 |
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| mfedosin | waiting for ppl :) | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-artifacts-sub-team-meeting-agenda | 17:31 |
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| pvaneck | #startmeeting refstack | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 7 19:01:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pvaneck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:01 |
| alexandrelevine | o/ | 19:01 |
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| pvaneck | hey | 19:01 |
| pvaneck | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-03-07 | 19:01 |
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| pvaneck | looks to be a short agenda | 19:02 |
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| rockyg | o/ | 19:02 |
| pvaneck | DefCore midcycle is this week, and I believe Catherine is traveling right now | 19:02 |
| pvaneck | hi rockyg | 19:02 |
| andrey-mp | hi | 19:02 |
| rockyg | hey all | 19:02 |
| pvaneck | so short meeting today | 19:03 |
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| pvaneck | #topic Add user management REST API https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285714/ | 19:03 |
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| rockyg | kewl | 19:03 |
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| pvaneck | Looks like catherine wants to clarify some use cases at the midcycle this week | 19:04 |
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| pvaneck | but it looks okay to me for the most part | 19:05 |
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| pvaneck | any other comments regarding this topic? | 19:06 |
| alexandrelevine | not until catherine resolved the questions | 19:07 |
| pvaneck | sure | 19:07 |
| pvaneck | #topic Open Discussion | 19:07 |
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| rockyg | Just want to say I'm taking the requirements spec hardcopy on the plane to Austin with me to read :-) | 19:08 |
| alexandrelevine | :) | 19:08 |
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| pvaneck | also i think accepted speaker sessions will be released today | 19:09 |
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| rockyg | Ooh! Cool! | 19:10 |
| pvaneck | if there are no things to discuss, then can end early | 19:10 |
| alexandrelevine | ++ | 19:11 |
| rockyg | Oh, and alexandrelevine, I love the requirements spec. I tried to do something simpler earlier on and some devs involved back then didn't get the benefit. So it died. | 19:11 |
| alexandrelevine | rockyg: Thank you. | 19:11 |
| alexandrelevine | rockyg: I've learned it the hard way that development will be several times longer without it. | 19:11 |
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| alexandrelevine | rockyg: and the result will be several times worse. | 19:12 |
| rockyg | Oh, yeah. And not as well designed. | 19:12 |
| pvaneck | alright, ending meeting here. | 19:12 |
| pvaneck | thank you all! | 19:12 |
| pvaneck | #endmeeting | 19:12 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 7 19:12:59 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-03-07-19.01.html | 19:13 |
| alexandrelevine | rockyg: Worse. It won't fit stakeholders expectations. (thought the same happens when they don't read provided requirements ideas :) ) | 19:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-03-07-19.01.txt | 19:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-03-07-19.01.log.html | 19:13 |
| andrey-mp | very quickly :) | 19:13 |
| alexandrelevine | andrey-mp: You had your chance to be a star. | 19:13 |
| andrey-mp | not now ) | 19:13 |
| alexandrelevine | :) | 19:13 |
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| rockyg | alexandrelevine, Yeah. Glad some folks are still understanding those issues. | 19:14 |
| alexandrelevine | bye | 19:14 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 7 20:00:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
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| hockeynut | o/ | 20:00 |
| mp1 | o/ | 20:00 |
| edtubill | o/ | 20:00 |
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| diazjf | o/ | 20:00 |
| randallburt | o/ | 20:00 |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:00 |
| maxabidi | o/ | 20:00 |
| silos | \o/ | 20:00 |
| jhfeng | o/ | 20:00 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:00 |
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| redrobot | alright, lots of barbicaneers here today | 20:01 |
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| rellerreller | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #topic Action Items from last meeting | 20:01 |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-02-29-20.01.html | 20:02 |
| redrobot | redrobot to look into upper constraints for Castellan across projects in the Mitaka release | 20:02 |
| redrobot | which I did | 20:02 |
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| * redrobot is digging for link | 20:03 | |
| jkf | o/ | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #link https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/upper-constraints.txt#L83 | 20:04 |
| redrobot | ^^ is where the upper constraints for castellan are defined | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | #topic Liaison Updates | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 20:06 |
| redrobot | Unfortunately I missed the oslo meeting this morning. :( | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | I'll read the logs later and find out if anything interesting happened. | 20:06 |
| redrobot | any updates from other liaisons? | 20:06 |
| redrobot | hockeynut QE? | 20:06 |
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| hockeynut | nosiree | 20:06 |
| panatl | o/ | 20:07 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on then. | 20:07 |
| hockeynut | is that a question from panatl ? | 20:07 |
| redrobot | #topic Mitaka-3 | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088409.html | 20:08 |
| * redrobot is slow with the links today | 20:08 | |
| redrobot | Mitaka-3 was released | 20:09 |
| redrobot | the linked ML message has the link to the tarball | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | we had to move the configurable-soft-delete blueprint to FFE since it didn't merge before the release was tagged. | 20:09 |
| redrobot | I think that should be our only FFE for this cycle. | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | any questions/comments about Mitaka-3 milestone? | 20:10 |
| redrobot | or code freeze? | 20:10 |
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| * redrobot hears crickets | 20:11 | |
| redrobot | ok moving on | 20:11 |
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| randallburt | chirp chirp | 20:11 |
| redrobot | #topic OpenStack Bug Squash | 20:12 |
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| redrobot | There's a global bug-smashing event happening soon | 20:12 |
| randallburt | its today, isn't it? | 20:12 |
| hockeynut | soon=now | 20:12 |
| redrobot | oh hey, it's actually today | 20:12 |
| redrobot | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/global-openstack-bug-smash-san-antonio-tickets-20926594006 | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | I should've checked the dates on that way sooner than today. | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | I was going to invite our Austin friends to come down to the Castle for this | 20:13 |
| redrobot | but it would have been better to plan this in advance. | 20:14 |
| redrobot | everyone is still welcomed to come down I guess? | 20:14 |
| diazjf | redrobot, edtubill and I are down :) | 20:14 |
| redrobot | diazjf that would be awesome! | 20:14 |
| redrobot | it's a distributed thing too, so anyone can participate remotely as well | 20:15 |
| redrobot | and since we're in code freeze now, it's the perfect time to squash some bugs! | 20:15 |
| kfarr | redrobot do you have any advice for cores for reviewing and merging code? | 20:16 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:16 |
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| kfarr | should only bug fixes be merged at this point? | 20:17 |
| redrobot | kfarr yes, only bugfixes for the next few weeks. | 20:17 |
| jmckind_ | 0/ | 20:17 |
| kfarr | got it | 20:17 |
| redrobot | kfarr probably worth discussing in its own topic | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | #topic Mitaka RC1 | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | #link http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/schedule.html | 20:18 |
| redrobot | the target release date for Mitaka RC1 is the week of March 14-18 | 20:18 |
| redrobot | so from now until then we should only merge bugfxies | 20:18 |
| redrobot | *bugfixes | 20:18 |
| randallburt | plus the FFE, yes? | 20:19 |
| redrobot | randallburt yes, but I think the FFE is complete now | 20:19 |
| randallburt | assuming its approved or whatever the process is | 20:19 |
| randallburt | ah, cool | 20:19 |
| redrobot | randallburt BP was already complete... there was a patch in review that didn't merge before M-2 | 20:19 |
| randallburt | cool | 20:19 |
| redrobot | *M-3 | 20:19 |
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| redrobot | once RC1 is tagged sometime next week, then master will become Newton and we can start merging new BPs | 20:20 |
| redrobot | which is a nice segway into | 20:20 |
| redrobot | #topic Newton Blueprints | 20:20 |
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| redrobot | In the spirit of having more time to review BPs, and merging them early so we can start working on implementations with plenty of time before the first N milestone, we should start proposing BPs for N now | 20:21 |
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| redrobot | I've got the ball rolling on the first one: | 20:22 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286318/ | 20:22 |
| redrobot | it's a BP that was approved for L but did not get implemented | 20:22 |
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| redrobot | per our policy I'm submitting it for re-review for the new cycle, to make sure it still makes sense | 20:22 |
| redrobot | Any questions about Mitaka RC1 or Newton Blueprints? | 20:24 |
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| rellerreller | redrobot are you going to -2 all of the other bps? | 20:25 |
| rellerreller | Should the authors of those bps abandon them? | 20:25 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller yeah, we should probably do that | 20:25 |
| redrobot | rellerreller not abandon, just edit to target newton instead of mitaka | 20:25 |
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| rellerreller | It's just that there are so many old specs now. | 20:26 |
| rellerreller | About 14/20 are from 2015. | 20:26 |
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| randallburt | we could say that if they aren't adopted for N and are older than X they'll be administratively abandoned. | 20:26 |
| redrobot | rellerreller hmm... I suppose we can abandon the really old ones. | 20:27 |
| randallburt | give a deadline of N1 or something | 20:27 |
| redrobot | randallburt +1 | 20:27 |
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| redrobot | #action redrobot to -2 pending CRs with a note to resubmit for N and a deadline to mark them as abandoned. | 20:27 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:29 |
| arunkant | redrobot: Please do not abandon https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263972/ (Multiple backend) ..I will move to Newton. | 20:29 |
| redrobot | arunkant no problem. | 20:29 |
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| redrobot | arunkant we probably won't mark any as abandoned until n-1 | 20:29 |
| redrobot | #topic Space Requirements for Austin Design Summit | 20:30 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-barbican-design-sessions | 20:30 |
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| redrobot | As I mentioned last week, we have an etherpad to record design session items in Austin | 20:31 |
| redrobot | it's pretty small so far | 20:31 |
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| redrobot | and I'm using it to gauge how much space we'll need | 20:32 |
| redrobot | including fish-bowls if any | 20:32 |
| rellerreller | How will some of these work if other projects have the same proposal? | 20:32 |
| redrobot | diazjf do you know if the security folks are going to do a fishbowl for the BYOK stuff? Or should we plan to have a fish-bowl about it? | 20:32 |
| rellerreller | For instance byok is proposed here and likely by security project. | 20:32 |
| redrobot | rellerreller hopefully we can plan to avoid doubling up on sessions | 20:33 |
| diazjf | redrobot, I'm not sure, I can email Robert later today | 20:33 |
| redrobot | rellerreller we ask the OpenStack overlords for space... but we may not get all the space we ask for | 20:33 |
| rellerreller | redrobot or maybe double our time to have a lot of discussion :) | 20:33 |
| redrobot | rellerreller yeah, I think for sure we'll want to have the contributors meetup 1/2 day | 20:34 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller and maybe 10ish design sessions | 20:34 |
| redrobot | I wasn't sure about fishbowls though | 20:34 |
| redrobot | rellerreller kfarr do we want to fish-bowl any castellan features? | 20:34 |
| kfarr | for upcoming features? | 20:35 |
| kfarr | I feel like most of the upcoming work will be with integration into other projects | 20:35 |
| rellerreller | I'm not sure if any are cross-project. | 20:35 |
| rellerreller | The key manager/project configuration is kind of cross-project. | 20:35 |
| redrobot | Maybe we should do a fish-bowl on the new auth features with some code samples on how to use them? | 20:36 |
| rellerreller | Basically what the code will look like in each of the services, but I'm not sure how much discussion outside of our community would be needed. | 20:36 |
| rellerreller | redrobot that's cool with me. | 20:36 |
| kfarr | redrobot, rellerreller, +1 | 20:37 |
| rellerreller | redrobot I say combine that with per project key manager. They are related. | 20:37 |
| redrobot | rellerreller think a single fish-bowl for both will be enough? | 20:37 |
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| redrobot | or should we ask fro 2 ? | 20:37 |
| rellerreller | redrobot Right now I think 1 should be enough. | 20:37 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller ok, sounds good | 20:38 |
| rellerreller | redrobot I can provide more details on etherpad for a possible agenda. | 20:38 |
| diazjf | kfarr, rellerreller, redrobot, I will help you out wuth the auth_stuff | 20:38 |
| redrobot | diazjf awesome! | 20:38 |
| rellerreller | Then we can discuss more to see if one or two sessions. | 20:38 |
| rellerreller | diazjf +1 | 20:38 |
| diazjf | I'll start preparing slide sometime this week | 20:38 |
| arunkant | rellerreller: about keymanager/project configuration ..is this something proposed on castellan side or barbican server side ? | 20:40 |
| rellerreller | castellan | 20:40 |
| arunkant | okay..was looking if this in lines of multiple backend..thanks | 20:41 |
| rellerreller | arunkant same problem space as yours, but I want to move it up a level. | 20:41 |
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| rellerreller | We have similar problem, and I believe if we solve it at castellan level then both of us are happy. | 20:41 |
| arunkant | rellerreller: is there any doc for this proposal available? | 20:42 |
| rellerreller | arunkant not yet | 20:42 |
| rellerreller | arunkant I'm working on documentation. | 20:42 |
| rellerreller | arunkant it will take a little bit of time to get through prepub. | 20:43 |
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| redrobot | ok, I think I can get a space request out now | 20:44 |
| redrobot | thanks rellerreller | 20:44 |
| redrobot | that's all I had on the agenda today | 20:44 |
| redrobot | #topic Open Discussion | 20:44 |
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| redrobot | Anything else we should talk about? CRs to review? | 20:45 |
| rellerreller | redrobot are there abstracts or design session desriptions needed? | 20:45 |
| rellerreller | redrobot or will you tell OpenStack this is our space request and here are the session titles? | 20:45 |
| redrobot | I'll ask for 1-2 fishbowls. We'll need abstracts for those since they go to the main schedule | 20:46 |
| rellerreller | redrobot I'm wondering what I need to get through prepub. | 20:46 |
| diazjf | If anyone has free cycles they can checkout https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262684/ | 20:46 |
| redrobot | the workroom sessions don't need descriptions | 20:46 |
| diazjf | ^ Just Barbican validation | 20:46 |
| redrobot | neither does the 1/2 meetup | 20:46 |
| rellerreller | redrobot I'll work on some session descriptions. | 20:46 |
| redrobot | awesome, thanks rellerreller | 20:46 |
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| redrobot | #action rellerreller to work on fish bowl descriptions | 20:46 |
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| redrobot | diazjf will look at it in a bit | 20:48 |
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| diazjf | redrobot gracias | 20:48 |
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| redrobot | anything else? If not we can get 10 minutes of our day back... | 20:49 |
| diazjf | redrobot, I'll let you know by the end of the day if we can go to the bug squashing event | 20:49 |
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| redrobot | diazjf cool... I have a few meetings tomorrow, but I could probably sneak out for a while. Definitely going to try to be there most of Wednesday. | 20:50 |
| diazjf | redrobot, awesome | 20:50 |
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| redrobot | ok, then, thanks for coming everyone! | 20:50 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 7 20:50:48 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-03-07-20.00.html | 20:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-03-07-20.00.txt | 20:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-03-07-20.00.log.html | 20:50 |
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| electrocucaracha | ihrachys, ping? | 20:58 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: hey. what's up | 20:58 |
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| electrocucaracha | I'll use the openstack-neutron channel | 20:58 |
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| carolbarrett | #startmeeting Product Working Group | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 7 21:01:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carolbarrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:01 |
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| shamail | Hi everyone. | 21:01 |
| piet | Howdy | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett | Hi Shamail | 21:01 |
| pchadwick | Hi Shamail | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett | #topic roll call | 21:01 |
| philipw | Hey | 21:01 |
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| kei_ | Hi. | 21:01 |
| ian_ott | hello | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett | who's here? | 21:01 |
| hughhalf | o/ | 21:01 |
| pchadwick | 0/ | 21:01 |
| piet | o/ | 21:01 |
| philipw | o/ | 21:01 |
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| kei_ | o/ | 21:01 |
| pchadwick | o/ | 21:01 |
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| carolbarrett | hi hugh- glad you could make it! | 21:02 |
| MarkBaker | o/ | 21:02 |
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| carolbarrett | You can find the agenda here | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:02 |
| hughhalf | thanks carolbarrett has been a frantic week or two so getting caught up | 21:02 |
| leong | o/ | 21:02 |
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| carolbarrett | Great to see everyone, let's get started | 21:03 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Action Item Review | 21:03 |
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| carolbarrett | let's start with last week's meeting | 21:03 |
| carolbarrett | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-02-29-21.00.txt | 21:03 |
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| kencjohnston | hi team sorry I'm late o/ | 21:03 |
| shamail | Hi kencjohnston | 21:04 |
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| carolbarrett | Hi kencjohnston, we're just getting going | 21:04 |
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| carolbarrett | Leong - you have the 1st couple of ARs | 21:04 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 21:04 |
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| carolbarrett | Leong - can you provide updates? | 21:04 |
| shamail | Hi Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:05 |
| leong | have submitted the patch to include video link | 21:05 |
| carolbarrett | Hi Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:05 |
| KrishR | o/ | 21:05 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks Leong | 21:05 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hi carol | 21:05 |
| carolbarrett | Do you have doodle results too? | 21:05 |
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| carolbarrett | Leong - That's the for the alternative meeting time | 21:06 |
| leong | haven't summarized the result yet | 21:06 |
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| leong | received 11 response so far | 21:07 |
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| carolbarrett | that's pretty good. Can you send the results to the ML when you close the doodle? | 21:07 |
| leong | ok. | 21:07 |
| carolbarrett | #action Leong send alternate meeting plan to the ML | 21:08 |
| carolbarrett | Shamail - the next one is yours, about adding Cross-project Liasons to our work flow and wiki | 21:08 |
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| shamail | I haven't added the role of CSPLs in the workflow wiki yet, I plan to do that this week. I'll send an email with summary of changes at that time too. Sorry for the delay. | 21:09 |
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| shamail | It's captured in the diagram but still needs an explanation in the wiki... At the same time, I will add our role in cross project meetings too. | 21:09 |
| carolbarrett | #action shamail Add info on Cross-Project Team liaison roles and requirements and send email too | 21:09 |
| shamail | Thanks. | 21:09 |
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| carolbarrett | Sounds good | 21:09 |
| carolbarrett | the next one is for all user story owners | 21:10 |
| carolbarrett | Update stories to meet the new template and move the the proposed repo | 21:10 |
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| carolbarrett | How are we doing on this one? | 21:10 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | http://www.openstack.org/software/roadmap/ - falls short of expectaion on visiobility of roadmap. Where/how do we want to document longer term roadmap? | 21:10 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett I think I've completed mine | 21:10 |
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| carolbarrett | Thanks kencjohnston | 21:10 |
| shamail | We've seen updates to rolling upgrades, HA VM, and stable releasesz | 21:11 |
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| shamail | And one additional one (security groups) | 21:11 |
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| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: we can discuss this during open items near the end of the meeting. | 21:11 |
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| shamail | kencjohnston and I will start moving the remainder this week. | 21:12 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks Shamail | 21:12 |
| kencjohnston | shamail - I already got a head start :) | 21:12 |
| carolbarrett | and Kencjohnston | 21:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | kenny, I am maybe missing somnthing HA VM is dependent on HA extension of ha proxy that is outside the scope of Openstack code base. | 21:12 |
| shamail | The goal will be to merge them into the proposed folder and then do a simple update to keep the review open. | 21:12 |
| shamail | I saw that Kencjohnston :) | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Will be happy to review any pull requests. | 21:13 |
| carolbarrett | # action shamail kencjohnston move the remaining user stories to proposed repo with appropriate content updates | 21:13 |
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| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky: Hold off on providing review comments until the moves are complete. | 21:13 |
| carolbarrett | Next set of action items come from our midcycle. | 21:14 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG-LON16-MidCycle_Summary | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | ok | 21:14 |
| pchadwick | You skipped mine ;) | 21:14 |
| pchadwick | Did everybody get the invite for the Gerritt training? | 21:14 |
| carolbarrett | Sorry pchadwick! | 21:14 |
| kencjohnston | pchadwick Yep, on my calendar. | 21:15 |
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| carolbarrett | Thanks - yes, I saw it. Good reminder. The Gerrit training is 3/10 at 1:00 Pacific | 21:15 |
| KrishR | yes, got the training invite | 21:15 |
| pchadwick | Thanks - just checking. | 21:15 |
| carolbarrett | Back the mid-cycle actions | 21:15 |
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| carolbarrett | Rolling upgrades team ARs look closed | 21:16 |
| KrishR | pchadwick: can you send me the invitation again? it seems to ahve dropped off | 21:16 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett I will take the action to submit it as a Cross Project spec this week | 21:16 |
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| carolbarrett | Ok kencjohnston | 21:16 |
| pchadwick | krishR: what is your email? | 21:16 |
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| KrishR | krishnan.raghuram@intel.com | 21:17 |
| carolbarrett | #action kencjohnston submit rolling upgrades user story to cross spec repo | 21:17 |
| carolbarrett | Most of mine are done | 21:17 |
| pchadwick | krishr: thanks. | 21:17 |
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| carolbarrett | Shamail - Your ARs look to be in good shape | 21:17 |
| shamail | Most of mine are done/started... Workflow has been updated on wiki and will do minor updates for cross project. | 21:18 |
| MeganR | pchadwick: can you send me the invitation again, I am not seeing it - rossetti.megan18@gmail.com | 21:18 |
| shamail | Roadmap is started | 21:18 |
| shamail | Yep carolbarrett, moving them along | 21:18 |
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| carolbarrett | RockyG are you here? | 21:18 |
| pchadwick | Megan and Krish - sent, let me know if you don't see it. | 21:19 |
| shamail | pchadwick: can you send it to me again as well? Didn't show up as an invite | 21:19 |
| carolbarrett | How about Mike Perez/Thingee?? | 21:19 |
| MeganR | pchadwick: got it, thank you! | 21:19 |
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| carolbarrett | Kencjohnston - Yours look to be in good shape too | 21:20 |
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| carolbarrett | Piet = are you here? | 21:20 |
| piet | Yep | 21:20 |
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| KrishR | pchadwick: thank you | 21:20 |
| carolbarrett | Piet - you have a couple of ARs from the Midcycle, can you give updates? | 21:20 |
| carolbarrett | The first one is: Join the cross-project discussion and work to agreeon a common set of Role names and definitions that the Community can use - fromsetting policy, to describing requirements/needs | 21:21 |
| piet | (knew I shouldn't have committed) I reached out to Jamie, but haven't heard back. Having Linette schedule a meeting since they're part of the same company. | 21:21 |
| carolbarrett | OK, we'll revisit next week and see how things are progressing | 21:22 |
| piet | We need to decide whether roles and personas are part of the same x-project spec or different ones | 21:22 |
| carolbarrett | The next one is: Contact Heidi Bretz (heidi@openstack.org) for data on theOperators Certification program and the underlying data | 21:22 |
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| piet | I don have commitment from Linette and Gudrun to work on the personas spec | 21:22 |
| piet | Sent an email, but no response. Sent a second email this morning. | 21:23 |
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| carolbarrett | is the at precursor to contacting Heidi or joining the cross project team discussions? | 21:23 |
| piet | carolbarrett You lost me a bit.. | 21:24 |
| carolbarrett | Piet: let's follow-up in email... | 21:25 |
| piet | Kk | 21:25 |
| piet | Just ping me in Lync | 21:25 |
| carolbarrett | OK | 21:25 |
| carolbarrett | OK that's all for action item review | 21:25 |
| carolbarrett | #topic User Story Tracker Development Plan | 21:25 |
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| carolbarrett | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/14TC1DvQqx3Z60IhM49TerRIi2iQXbr3QJ7GgTUZ7hXQ/edit?usp=sharing | 21:26 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks Shamail for creating the spec and sending it out. I posted to the google folder above | 21:26 |
| shamail | You're welcome | 21:26 |
| carolbarrett | Can everyone access it? | 21:26 |
| vhdiaz | yes | 21:26 |
| carolbarrett | Shamail: Do you want to walk through it or ? | 21:26 |
| shamail | Sure, I won't walk through it in detail but can provide context and plan | 21:27 |
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| shamail | This document was created after the mid-cycle since it became apparent that the tracker is a high priority item for us but might also have value for the development community (especially related to cross project proposals) | 21:28 |
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| shamail | The document has a mock-up which is meant to show important attributes for the dashboard | 21:28 |
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| shamail | It also covers which data sources need to be accessed to build the view | 21:28 |
| shamail | Intel has assigned developers to help with the prototype and we are also working with the OpenStack Foundation (Carol included the list of core members in the agenda) | 21:29 |
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| shamail | The team will meet later this week to walk through the design goals and consider alternatives (there might be room to use a custom version of ChiliProject) | 21:29 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks Shamail | 21:30 |
| shamail | The team will also revisit the sizing estimates to make them more realistic | 21:30 |
| pchadwick | shamail: looks good | 21:30 |
| carolbarrett | We have a doodle going to setup the kick off team meeting - if you're interested in contributing, pls indicate what times work for you. | 21:30 |
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| carolbarrett | #link http://doodle.com/poll/9r4dvmgt8kyxx5b2 | 21:30 |
| shamail | I have an additional action item (which I plan to start this week), which is to determine where this needs to live after we determine whether a custom dev effort is needed | 21:31 |
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| carolbarrett | #action Shamail determine where the repo will be for the tracker tool upstream | 21:31 |
| shamail | That's all I have for now, any questions? Thanks for the doodle link carolbarrett | 21:31 |
| carolbarrett | got it | 21:31 |
| vhdiaz | thanks for the walkthrough | 21:31 |
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| carolbarrett | hey all - vhdiaz leads the Intel team which will provide some of the development support. | 21:32 |
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| shamail | Extracting data is not going to be fun because of different sources and granulairty of the returns. | 21:32 |
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| carolbarrett | If others want to contribute resources, pls do! | 21:32 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: +1 | 21:32 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | carol, tomorrow and wed is refstack/refcore midcycle meeting in Austin. so none of doodle times will work for folks who want to attend it | 21:33 |
| shamail | Nice to meet you vhdiaz! Look forward to working with you. Please add anything else that i might have missed in the update | 21:33 |
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| carolbarrett | If you have comments on the spec,pls put them into the google doc. | 21:33 |
| vhdiaz | thanks carolbarrett, hello folks looking fw to contribute and meet you all | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | ok | 21:33 |
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| carolbarrett | Arkady_Kanevsky: That's a good point, not sure if that impacts us though... | 21:33 |
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| carolbarrett | Let's keep going | 21:34 |
| carolbarrett | #topic What to do about Daylight Savings | 21:34 |
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| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: I wojld sugget that people who are developers or data source SMEs participate in these meetings. We will keep the group updated via our regular Monday meetings | 21:34 |
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| carolbarrett | this is always a fun time for all of us! | 21:34 |
| shamail | Even if there is a conflict for this meeting, you can join a future meeting | 21:34 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks Carol and Shamail. | 21:34 |
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| carolbarrett | Some of the US changes time on the 13th, some of Europe on the 27th and lots of the world has no idea why anyone would do this | 21:35 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: I suggest we start doing the same thing as most OpenStack teams... Keep the time the same and adjust to DST. | 21:35 |
| shamail | Thus would avoid confusion but could cause schedule conflicts. | 21:35 |
| carolbarrett | It seems that staying with UTC time is the most commonly accepted OpenStack way of handling this | 21:35 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | 1 PST does work for us now. | 21:35 |
| shamail | This* | 21:35 |
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| pchadwick | I think it is the only way to handle it. | 21:36 |
| sgordon | is the meeting not already fixed to UTC? | 21:36 |
| shamail | This would mean the meeting would be 2P PST | 21:36 |
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| shamail | It is | 21:36 |
| pchadwick | Those of us who are in the affected time zones need to adjust | 21:36 |
| hughhalf | Yes, agreed that tying to UTC makes most sense | 21:36 |
| shamail | I am suggesting that we keep the same UTC time | 21:36 |
| pchadwick | shamail: +1 | 21:36 |
| sgordon | +1 to UTC time | 21:36 |
| * hughhalf nods at shamail | 21:36 | |
| carolbarrett | +1 shamail | 21:36 |
| shamail | Does this create schedule conflcits for anyone? | 21:36 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes. will see what I can do. | 21:37 |
| shamail | I dont have a conflict. | 21:37 |
| hughhalf | no, still works for me, just an hour earlier, possibly two | 21:37 |
| carolbarrett | I have a conflict but will resolve it. | 21:37 |
| shamail | Wonky DST is wonky. | 21:37 |
| carolbarrett | Seems like we're got agreement on sticking with 2100 utc | 21:37 |
| carolbarrett | anyone disagree with this? | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | carol, will you resend invite after time change? | 21:37 |
| shamail | Thanks carolbarrett! | 21:37 |
| pchadwick | None for my - my morning meetings with Europe are an entirely different problem | 21:37 |
| shamail | The invite will stay the same. I think I sent it for UTC but will double check. | 21:38 |
| carolbarrett | pchadwick - I can only imagine! | 21:38 |
| carolbarrett | #decision team meeting will stay at 2100 UTC. | 21:38 |
| carolbarrett | Arkady_Kanevsky: I think the meeting invite should self-adjust, but I'll check it and resend if necessary | 21:38 |
| kei_ | +1 to UTC time | 21:38 |
| carolbarrett | #action carol resend team meeting invite after time change | 21:38 |
| carolbarrett | Ok next topic | 21:39 |
| shamail | Checked, will update invite. Can you assign action Carolbarrett? | 21:39 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Persona Work Shop | 21:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Persona Work Shop (Meeting topic: Product Working Group)" | 21:39 | |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | It will not self adjust in outlook or google calendar. | 21:39 |
| shamail | Never mind. | 21:39 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: I did | 21:39 |
| shamail | Saw that. | 21:39 |
| carolbarrett | Piet - Can you take this one? | 21:39 |
| piet | Yep | 21:39 |
| piet | Wondering whether we should move the persona working session to SA | 21:40 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | what is persona(s) goals? | 21:40 |
| carolbarrett | What are the dates? | 21:40 |
| piet | Goals for the meeting or the personas in general? | 21:40 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | personas in general for openstack | 21:41 |
| piet | week(s) of March 21st or 28th? | 21:41 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | beyond admin, user, and tenant admin | 21:41 |
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| piet | A couple of goals. First, they're intended to help the Product WG focus their stories | 21:42 |
| piet | Second, the community needs a common vernacular for it's users | 21:42 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1krb3D6420_M-gwAT54DOcYcBEO4vT3yhQjKPj3wdsoo/edit#slide=id.gd9f9dd530_0_0 | 21:42 |
| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky see the link I posted for more info | 21:43 |
| piet | The term "end user" is so completely generic that it doesn't mean anything | 21:43 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks carol. opemning the doc | 21:43 |
| piet | Personas =/ roles | 21:43 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | piet - agree | 21:44 |
| piet | Roles are software specific and do not provide an overview of pain points, opportunities, etc | 21:44 |
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| piet | ;^) | 21:44 |
| piet | So, the focus of the session would be to work on three new roles: cloud consumer (end user), project owner and tenant admin | 21:45 |
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| piet | And we need to add more content to the existing personas. For example, how do they vary by company size and industry? | 21:45 |
| pchadwick | What is the difference between tenant admin and project owner? | 21:46 |
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| piet | Sorry, Domain Admin and Project Owner | 21:46 |
| carolbarrett | Piet - You have 4 more mins...what do you want to get out of this discussion? | 21:46 |
| carolbarrett | Are you looking for a show of hands as to who would be able to attend the session if you move it to San Antonio? And which week is better for them? | 21:46 |
| carolbarrett | Or? | 21:46 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I will have ot miss it. | 21:46 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | is the question on which week is better? | 21:47 |
| piet | I may move to SA if attendance will be better. Need a commitment to attend from at least two PMs, two operators and two end users. | 21:47 |
| piet | The operators and end users can attend a single day | 21:47 |
| shamail | I'll still have a hard time attending | 21:47 |
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| piet | SO, the chocie is driven by when people can attend and where | 21:47 |
| piet | Sorry for the caps. "So, the choice.... | 21:48 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | the week of 21-25 - I can not | 21:48 |
| piet | Anyone else? | 21:48 |
| carolbarrett | It'll be v hard for me to make room for a ~3 day event/travel between now and the Summit | 21:48 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | The week after will work. | 21:48 |
| pchadwick | I am not able to attend. | 21:49 |
| carolbarrett | Piet: Have you thought about trying to have a work session in Austin? | 21:49 |
| MeganR | I won't be able to attend, have three trips scheduled before the summit | 21:49 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I am for Austin - 1000% | 21:49 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Are oyu suggesting summit time? | 21:49 |
| piet | We're trying to have something in preparation for the summit and these work sessions generally take about three days. | 21:50 |
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| piet | I may pivot back to Seattle since we have a facility and a commitment from two ops and a PM | 21:50 |
| carolbarrett | Piet: Not sure you're going to get critical mass. Do you want to use a doodle to finalize this? | 21:50 |
| carolbarrett | need to move along | 21:50 |
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| piet | So, the decision is to pivot back to Seattle | 21:51 |
| carolbarrett | OK | 21:51 |
| carolbarrett | #topic OpenStack Days | 21:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Days (Meeting topic: Product Working Group)" | 21:51 | |
| carolbarrett | I became aware of a couple of upcoming OpenStack DAys, though I'm sure there are many more | 21:51 |
| carolbarrett | On June 10th, there will be one in Dublin Ireland. | 21:52 |
| carolbarrett | We have been invited to give a sesion on requirements/user stories and roadmpa | 21:52 |
| carolbarrett | I meant roadmap | 21:52 |
| carolbarrett | I told the organizers I would make it and would talk with you all about getting 1 or 2 others to join | 21:52 |
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| kencjohnston | carolbarrett Link? What is OpenStack Days? | 21:53 |
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| carolbarrett | We could even host a hands on session to write user stories | 21:53 |
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| carolbarrett | #link http://openstackdayireland.com/ | 21:53 |
| leong | kencjonston https://www.openstack.org/community/events/#openstack_days | 21:53 |
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| carolbarrett | I was wondering if Mark Baker could swing over for this one? | 21:53 |
| carolbarrett | Any one else? | 21:54 |
| sgordon | kencjohnston, basically a meetup, but for a day | 21:54 |
| sgordon | (or days in some cases ;) | 21:54 |
| sgordon | they are regional events | 21:54 |
| shamail | I'd like to volunteer as well for ones close to me | 21:54 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett Count me as interested. | 21:54 |
| carolbarrett | sgordon: I think there will be a strong telco focus if you're interested in joining | 21:54 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: Thanks! | 21:54 |
| carolbarrett | kencjohston: Thanks | 21:55 |
| sgordon | im in dublin earlier that week but might be a challenge to extend the trip | 21:55 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | We can also schedule one in Austin | 21:55 |
| carolbarrett | sgordon: OK, let us know if you can extend. | 21:55 |
| carolbarrett | There's also one coming up in Australia. | 21:55 |
| MarkBaker | carolbarrett, Intel have already asked us about participating in OpenStack Ireland day - very strong possibility I will go | 21:55 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett Same here in terms of volunteering for local events. | 21:55 |
| leong | Some is more than just meetup... is like a one-day summit | 21:55 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | there is monthly meetups we can present at | 21:55 |
| carolbarrett | #link | 21:55 |
| hughhalf | carolbarrett We expect to have a couple of folk there | 21:55 |
| carolbarrett | #link http://australiaday.openstack.org.au | 21:55 |
| leong | I will be at APAC in July.. any interest for the OpenStack Day Taiwan? | 21:56 |
| MarkBaker | carolbarrett, Prague, Germany, Budapest too | 21:56 |
| sgordon | leong, that is basically what i said | 21:56 |
| carolbarrett | markbaker: Great! Between you, me, shamail we shoudl be covered | 21:56 |
| leong | http://openstack.ithome.com.tw/ | 21:56 |
| carolbarrett | Sounds like a great tour! | 21:56 |
| shamail | +1 | 21:56 |
| shamail | Let's coordinate on the content as we get closer | 21:56 |
| carolbarrett | Leong: Is there a users group there? If so, would be a good starting point to explore that | 21:56 |
| leong | I think Tom F. is coordinatiing the taiwan day if i'm not wrong? | 21:57 |
| carolbarrett | hughhalf: Any chance you can get in touch with the Australia day organizers and see if you can give a user story and roadmap update? | 21:57 |
| shamail | There is one possibly in NY soon too, details still emerging | 21:57 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | cool. Boston? | 21:57 |
| hughhalf | carolbarrett Will do - i get the impression that the local one is a little less technical than most, but will make enquiries | 21:58 |
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| carolbarrett | thanks hughhalf | 21:58 |
| shamail | NY would cover Northeast | 21:58 |
| carolbarrett | Moving along, only 2 mins left... | 21:58 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Opens | 21:58 |
| kei_ | FYI, there's one in tokyo in July as well. http://openstackdays.com/index_e.html | 21:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Opens (Meeting topic: Product Working Group)" | 21:58 | |
| carolbarrett | We covered the training earlier | 21:58 |
| carolbarrett | Also want to make sure everyone is aware of the upcoming PTL and TC elections | 21:58 |
| leong | kei_ you can represent us there in Tokyo | 21:58 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | any suggestions for devcore midcycle meeting? | 21:59 |
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| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: to answer your question about roadmap visibility... We do need to raise awareness. Heidi Joy might have some ideas at the next refresh cycle (community ML, etc.) | 21:59 |
| carolbarrett | #action carolbarrett add OpenStack Days follow-up discussion to the next team meeting agenda | 21:59 |
| leong | +1 | 21:59 |
| kei_ | leong: yes, that's a good idea. | 21:59 |
| leong | kei_ +1 | 21:59 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks shamail. Let's bring it up with her. | 21:59 |
| carolbarrett | Any other opens | 22:00 |
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| shamail | Carol, did you want to discuss anything specific about elections? | 22:00 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | by everybody. thanks | 22:00 |
| shamail | We can add as an item for a future meeting? | 22:01 |
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| carolbarrett | shamail: Let everyone know they are coming up and see who has plans. | 22:01 |
| carolbarrett | #action carolbarrett add TC Election topic to next meeting agenda | 22:01 |
| carolbarrett | Bye everyone! | 22:01 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: +1 | 22:01 |
| carolbarrett | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 7 22:01:44 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-03-07-21.01.html | 22:01 |
| shamail | Bye! | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-03-07-21.01.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-03-07-21.01.log.html | 22:01 |
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