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dprince#startmeeting tripleo14:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar  8 14:00:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dprince. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tripleo'14:00
derekhyo14:00
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dprincehi everyone14:00
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dprince#topic agenda14:02
dprince* bugs14:02
dprince* Projects releases or stable backports14:02
dprince* CI14:02
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dprince* Specs14:02
dprince* Changing default provisioning IP range: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28922114:02
dprince* Clear usage of parameters: in tripleoclient https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256670/14:02
dprince* open discussion14:02
dprinceThat is our agenda this week. Anything else to add/subtract?14:02
derekhadd ci testenv node sizes14:03
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shardyderekh: we need to revisit the mitaka branch discussion, I guess we can do that under the releases section14:03
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shardysorry, dprince ^^ ;)14:04
d0ugalo/14:04
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akrivokahello \o14:04
shardyd<tab> caught me out there14:04
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dprinceshardy: yes. that was on my mind as well. Lets do it in the stable branches14:04
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dprinceokay, lets go14:04
dprince#topic bugs14:04
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dprincelots of bugs on stable liberty around getting the network isolation passing14:05
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dprinceare we closing in on getting that working there?14:05
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slaglei've merged everything14:06
slagletheory is it should be passing now14:06
dprinceslagle: cool14:06
slaglebut we shall see, there are some jobs running14:06
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dprinceslagle: and on trunk we think we have the validations/swap issues fixed?14:06
dprinceslagle: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/155324314:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1553243 in tripleo "CI: Resource CREATE failed: Error: resources.ComputeAllNodesValidationDeployment.resources[0]" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to James Slagle (james-slagle)14:06
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slagledprince: i think so, yes. if anyone sees it, please shout14:07
slaglethe patch to use the swap partition instead of file is still out there though14:07
dprinceslagle: yep, we can query logstash to verify it is gone I think14:07
dprinceslagle: link?14:07
slaglebut we can't land that until the swap partition template gets backported to liberty, which is also in progress14:07
slagledprince: https://review.openstack.org/28908514:08
slagleit's workflowed -1 until the liberty backport lands14:08
slaglewhich is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289610/14:08
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slaglewe ought to find a way to check our tripleo-ci changes on the stable branches :)14:08
dprincehmmm, this is perhaps a reason not to share our CI branches across stable and upstream14:09
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slagleyea14:09
slagleeither tripleo-ci is backwards compatible or we use branches14:09
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shardyI think we should move tripleo.sh into tripleo-ci and have all CI scripts backwards compatible14:09
slagleshardy: +114:09
gfidenteyeah I was for avoiding branches and making it backward compat too14:10
shardywe'll need to agree a time to stop landing stuff to tripleo-common tho14:10
dprinceshardy: once upon a time TOCI had devtest scripts in it I think14:10
shardyI posted https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272210/ which was in merge conflict in about 10 minutes ;)14:10
shardyI can rebase it if we're in agreement the move should happen14:10
dprinceshardy: I'm fine w/ moving it to tripleo-ci14:10
dprinceany other bugs issues?14:11
derekhlets rebase that, confirm the job started ok and then merge without waiting, identical tripleo.sh script14:11
shardyOk, I'll rebase it today14:11
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dprince#topic Projects releases or stable backports14:12
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gfidenteshardy, derekh maybe make it depend on a change which removes it from tripleo-common too so that any chance which *was* editing tripleo.sh in -common will fail14:12
shardygfidente: Yup, good point, I'll do that too14:12
shardy#link http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/schedule.html14:12
derekh+114:12
dprinceokay. so this is where we should talk about https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-mitaka-rc-blockers14:12
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shardySo, I know we had a heated debate about this last week14:12
shardybut that blocker list keeps growing, and we have to decide when to branch14:13
dprinceshardy: lets triage the blocker list14:13
dprinceshardy: IPv6, upgrades, and one other thing14:13
derekhIPv6 is blocked on a newer version of memcached14:14
gfidenteand python-memcached14:14
trownwe either need to do time based releases or feature based releases... not both14:14
derekhrdo guys are going to build package in cloud sig14:14
trownI would argue that the etherpad is really about downstream needs, and feature based releases would hose downstream worse14:14
dprincetrown: I agree14:14
shardytrown: true, but all projects track landing things before deciding wnen it's a good time to branch14:14
marioso/ also on a call sorry late14:14
shardythat's why there's an RC period, but not a specific date14:15
trownshardy: ya, but that etherpad is a bit extreme14:15
shardytrown: Yeah, agreed14:15
dprincethe stress here is this etherpad came very late in Mitaka14:15
shardyYeah, we should do milestone releases and have a feature freeze next time around IMO14:16
trown+114:16
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jdobshardy: it sounds like everyone is on board for that in Newton, its just a matter of limping past Mitaka right now14:16
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shardyyup, so ipv6 is blocked, any eta on the memcached stuff?14:16
trownmemcached should be resolved in a couple hours14:17
shardyand what's the status re upgrades - I've seen a fair few patches but we don't seem to have a definitive list in the etherpad?14:17
dprincemy concern if we choose the date of say next Friday is people are still going to slam stuff in at this point, when we should actually be in a freeze already14:17
shardyOk, and there's been manual testing of ipv6, so that should be OK to land in the next week?14:17
derekhshardy: apevec moved it into a card for March 10th https://trello.com/c/8xVahzfA/122-ipv6-support-investigate-redis-as-alternate-caching-engine14:18
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derekhshardy: what trown said is better ;-)14:18
trownderekh: I think number80 already built it, just waiting for repo sync14:18
derekhtrown: ack14:18
shardyderekh: hehe, I just meant, sounds like that one is in-hand14:18
dprinceshardy: now that we have IPv4 net iso testing in our check jobs I don't think IPv6 is blocked.14:19
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dprinceshardy: it would give me a vote of confidence to see it passing here though first: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289445/14:19
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shardydprince: I agree, and I'm not proposing a fixed date, but we need to burn down these blockers then decide when to branch14:19
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shardyideally that needs to be in the next 7-10 days14:19
gfidentedprince, so the issue with memcached won't make it pass anyway14:20
shardywho can provide the status re the upgrades patches - marios?14:20
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dprinceshardy: again, I'm not convinced we need to burn down all these patches. We can land some of it I think, but landing it all would be foolish14:21
shardythe whole idea of a "blockers" etherpad was to identify those patches deemed critical for the release14:21
dprinceshardy: yeah, and it became a free for all I think14:22
shardygiven that we don't track anything in launchpad it's hard to track the status any other way?14:22
slaglethese are the "blockers"14:22
slagleblocking what, i'm not sure14:22
slaglebut these are the things that need to be in liberty14:22
shardyOk, let me try again - how do we know when we can reasonably branch?14:22
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trownya I have yet to see an upstream argument for what these are blocking14:22
gfidentepersonally I think it'd be nice to land the ipv6 patches in master before branching14:23
shardyI mean, we could take a bunch of sha's from a passing periodic job, but I'm trying to be sympathetic to those trying to land stuff and coordinate better than that14:23
dprinceslagle: these are the things that need to be in liberty today (by someone's assessment)14:23
dprinceslagle: do we have a guarantee those needs aren't changing next week? or thereafter?14:23
slagledprince: i can't answer that. and you know who to ask who can answer it14:23
shardytrown: what impact will it have from an RDO perspective if we branch without fully proven upgrade support landed?14:24
shardyI'm assuming that would be considered a blocker for existing users, no?14:24
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EmilienMshould be blocker big interface changes, and non backward compatible stuff14:24
trownshardy: RDO has never claimed to support upgrades14:25
dprinceshardy: unless we have a CI job on upgrades (in TripleO) I wouldn't claim it is working I think14:25
EmilienMbut small features can be backported I think14:25
shardyEmilienM: for Mitaka we're trying to avoid feature backports, because they've been completely abused for liberty14:25
trownshardy: I would agree with dprince, that until there is a CI job in RDO for upgrades, I would not claim RDO supports upgrades14:25
EmilienMshardy: right, that's why I specified the "small" :-)14:25
slaglemy opinion was that we could branch after ipv6/upgrades was landed. and if needed, we backport fixes to mitaka and liberty14:25
shardymost other projects don't allow feature backports, so it'll be clearer if we can try to do the same14:26
dprinceshardy: I'm inclined to try and land the larger patches around IPv6. Especially now that we know we aren't breaking IPv4 with those14:26
EmilienMslagle: +114:26
slaglei still don't understand the urgency to branch mitaka though, without rdo mitaka repos14:26
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slagletrown: did we get an answer on that?14:26
EmilienMipv6 sounds like a big change everywhere, might be good to have it in stable/mitaka14:26
trown+1 to limiting "blocker" to just ipv6/upgrades14:26
slagleit makes no sense to me to just mitaka tripleo branches with trunk rdo repos14:27
shardyslagle: would you propose we pin our CI to mitaka when all other projects branch then?14:27
shardybecause otherwise we have no way to know if we still work with mitaka, we'll be testing trunk/newton14:27
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trownslagle: not sure I get the question... delorean will get branched as soon as oslo libs branch14:28
slaglewhen is that I guess?14:28
EmilienMshardy: pin to mitaka-passed-ci14:28
dprincetrown, slagle: could we perhaps take the RDO discussion in #rdo afterwards?14:28
trownthen mitaka delorean will be master of most projects, and will switch to stable/mitaka as it gets branced everywhere14:29
slagledprince: it's not an rdo discussion14:29
slaglethose are the repos tripleo-ci uses14:29
dprinceDo we have general consensus on just IPv6 and upgrades being blockers?14:29
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derekhWhere making this hard on ourselves because we don't want to make the same mistakes of backporting everything, why not land IPv6 and upgrades, then loosen temperarily the policy of no backports, but trust ourselves to to make it a free for all, ghave a predefined set of exceptions14:29
slagleshardy: i propose not testing our mitaka branches against newton14:29
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EmilienMimho, after RDO mitaka release, OOO CI should pin on this stable repo14:29
shardyslagle: FWIW I was assuming we'd branch around the time RDO mitaka repos become available, not before14:30
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trownhttp://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/schedule.html says we should start having RC's next week14:30
dprinceslagle: sure, but eventually there will be branches we can switch to for Mitaka in RDO too14:30
slagleshardy: me as well, that's what i was trying to figure out when that will happen14:30
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dprinceTripleO moves first, then RDO14:30
shardyI just don't want to block trunk indefinitely, or continue testing our "mitaka" release against newton projects14:30
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shardyderekh: that'd be fine, but we've failed to reach consensus re the exceptions, ref this etherpad list14:31
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dprinceDo we agree on IPv6 and upgrades as the blockers for branching?14:32
EmilienM+114:32
trown+114:32
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dprinceother issues can come in via (minor) backports if needed via a short window14:32
slagle+1, along with the etherpad as the list of exceptions :)14:32
shardydprince: Yes, but there's no detail on what constitutes the patch dependencies for liberty->mitaka upgrades14:32
derekhyup14:32
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slaglea lot of things in the ehterpad are accepted exceptions anyway, they are bug fixes14:33
dprinceshardy: I would ask those driving upgrades to provide that pronto14:33
bnemecI'm not sure they know yet.14:33
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dprincebnemec: because it isn't finished you mean?14:34
dprinceor its a moving target?14:34
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bnemecdprince: Well, probably both, but mostly because they won't know what problems they're going to hit until they get through all of them.14:34
bnemecBased on the etherpad, it's also not clear to me that the people working on upgrades are even focused on Mitaka yet.14:35
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dprinceokay, so is upgrades as a blocker just a fictitious feature we are chasing. Sounds like only the upstream upgrades CI job will tell14:36
dprinceperhaps all we are really blocking on is IPv6 then, Upgardes by definition would need to be backported and fixed anyways14:36
bnemecI should note that I've had almost no involvement in it, so if we can we should talk to someone who actually knows what's going on there.14:36
dprinceAlright, well we need to move on I think14:37
dprinceLets continue the blockers discussion on #tripleo afterwards14:37
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dprince#topic CI14:37
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dprinceLast week we rebuilt the testenv's to accomidate network isolation testing14:38
dprince#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288163/14:38
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derekhWe got lots on transient errors on our CI jobs, I'm reckong if somebody spent long enough root causing them we could get to a better place we could improve things by changing nothing in CI envs but this alone is a full time job, (one I think somebody should be doing regardless of what we do)14:39
derekhthere have also been lots of calls to bump the RAM on the nodes we use in CI, I think we're at the point where to add 1G to each node, we'll have to reduce the number of envs available by 25%14:39
derekhI mentioned in an email we could try this as an experiement, which we can if people want to, if it works we may end up needing less envs due to less rechecks14:39
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derekh"experiment" suggests we can easily undo it, that mightn't be the case, once we bump the ram and add things that start using it then there may be no going back14:40
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slaglei think we need less envs also due to cpu14:40
derekhHA deployment in CI at the moment is 5+(4*4)=21G Memory, so essentially we're talking about bumping that to 26G14:40
slagleso if we're going to have less we might as well give them more ram14:40
dprincederekh: my concern is if we do this our upstream CI environment no longer represents something any of the developers can actually test on their own hardware14:41
slaglei was just looking at a testenv host where the load was over 60 on the 15 minute average14:41
dprincederekh: it is okay if we have some "large" testenv's I think. But maintaining at least one smaller testenv setup that is intended to guard the developer case is important too14:41
bnemecO.O14:41
derekhdprince: I wouldn't say any of the developers, but I take your point asnd its one of the reasons I was holding out14:41
shardydprince: a similar setup should still be possible with VMs on a 32G development box?14:42
dprinceshardy: how many TripleO core devs have a 32G box ATM14:42
bnemecDevelopers aren't using 4 GB VMs anymore anyway, are they?14:42
* dprince doesn't14:42
gfidentetalking about ram, is it really the overcloud nodes we would need to bump up or is it just the undercloud ?14:42
derekhdprince: more then you'd think14:42
derekhHey, I've been asked recently 2 or 3 times by people joining tripleo what kind of dev env is needed, and I started listing options, I think may of us have a different setup anybody want to describe their setup here so we can point newcommers at it ? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-dev-env-census14:42
trownI thought most devs have at least one 32G RAM box14:42
shardydprince: nearly everyone in this so far https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-dev-env-census14:42
shardydprince: and not all developers need to deploy HA regularly?14:43
jdobbnemec: 4GB VMs don't really work; i tried a few days ago14:43
trownthat seems like a bare minimum to deploy HA14:43
bnemecPublic OVB cloud.  Just sayin'. ;-)14:43
bnemecjdob: Yeah, that's what I mean.14:43
jdobbnemec: overcloud nodes fail in puppet and the undercloud shits itself after a few runs14:43
slagle4gb vm's definitely no longer works for the overcloud14:43
shardyin reality I think most folks are using more ram locally than in CI already14:43
slagleeven with aodh reverted14:43
bnemecThe only reason we're getting away with it in CI is that we've tweaked the hell out of the config and the environment only stays up for about two minutes.14:43
jdobside note, we should probably update those defaults14:43
slagleyou can just go look at the oom failures on the revert i pushed to remove the swap file :)14:43
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dprinceI have multiple boxes, but 32G is going to exclude anyone from outside of tripleO from contributing (and testing locally) unless they have hardware14:44
bnemecWell, without HA you might still be able to fit undercloud + 2 overcloud nodes in 16 GB.14:45
dprinceThis is why I think the nonha case makes a lot of sense. Or perhaps a single node "HA" installation (one controller)14:45
derekhdprince: or access to the OVB cloud we're hoping to deploy, or another one14:45
shardybnemec: you can, I did it for my devconf demo (you may recall, it was slow tho due to some swapping)14:45
gfidentesingle node HA is and has always been meant to work14:45
dprincegfidente: if it isn't tested in our CI I'm not sure it does14:45
gfidenteso while one can't test failover and similar stuff, the resulting config matches 3 controllers14:46
dprincegfidente: all I'm suggesting is that our CI represent what our minimum developer requirements actually are14:46
dprincewe can go above that for some jobs but not all of them14:46
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dprinceokay, well this was interesting but I'm not feeling like we need to debate anymore here14:47
slaglei think at least 5gb oc vm's has got to the be minimum for both14:47
slagle4gb just doesn't work14:47
slagle(without swap)14:48
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gfidenteso I think this is a topic which came up on the list too14:48
derekhdprince: YBut our CI doesn't really represent minimum requirements, we've added swap to make it work and tweaked the overcloud to run less workers then default etc...14:48
dprinceI guess commenting on the email thread is the best way to follow up14:48
gfidentewe want more coverage and we need more ram14:48
jdobi went overkill and went with 8 on this last build, but I can try 5-6 on the next ones and post how it goes14:48
bnemecIt's been a discussion at least since Atlanta. :-)14:48
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gfidentederekh, is it really ram the limiting factor or are the nodes out of I/O on the disks too? maybe what we really need is more nodes, not more ram?14:49
dprincederekh: I think we probably need to re-allocate the testenv's, I'm just not in agreement that we should drop nonha I think. Or perhaps arguing that a single node HA is perhaps just as important for some devs14:49
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derekhdprince: I'm not talking about dropping any jobs14:50
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dprincederekh: it was proposed on the list I think, that is why I mentioned it14:50
derekhdprince: I'm talking about having slightly bigger testenvs but 25% less of them14:50
* derekh has done a U turn on his opinion here yesterday14:50
dprincederekh: right but wouldn't that potentially cause us capacity issues?14:50
derekhdprince: The hope is that we would be running less jobs due to less rechecks14:51
slaglederekh: +114:51
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gfidenteI think less testenvs means less iowait too14:51
derekhdprince: but its a valid concern14:51
slaglei think right now when we are running at full capacity, we are killing ourselves14:51
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dprinceyeah, well right now stable/liberty is taking up way too much capacity :/14:52
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dprincebut sure I agree capacity has a hand in this14:52
dprinceokay, we need to move on.14:52
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dprinceSkipping specs this week14:52
adarazsI have a question re adding IPv6 to a gate job: where to include it? is the ceph job fine as dprince suggested in the review?14:52
dprince#topic Changing default provisioning IP range14:52
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dprincejaosorior: is this your topic?14:53
dprincehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/28922114:53
jaosoriordprince: It is.14:53
dprinceadarazs: starting with anyof them would be fine I think14:53
adarazsdprince: okay. :)14:53
dprincejaosorior: anything you want to say on this right now?14:54
jaosoriorSo, thing is, the provisioning network was chosen on a network that violates rfc5737 and that breaks other tools if we try to integrate them using the default (such as FreeIPA)14:54
EmilienMadarazs: maybe start "simple" with the ha job, and add ceph later14:54
jaosoriorI proposed changing it, but bnemec suggests we take that conversation here, as it might have implications regarding upgrades14:54
dprincejaosorior: This has been our default for some time. We can look at changing it, but I sort of think this is a Newton thing14:55
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gfidente(guys we just got all jobs green with netiso in liberty/ci https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287600/)14:55
dprincegfidente: nice :)14:55
jaosoriordprince: Well, that's fair enough for me14:55
EmilienMgfidente++ excelent14:55
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dprinceokay, moving on14:56
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dprince#topic Forcibly clear parameters now passed as parameter_defaults14:56
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dprince#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256670/14:56
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dprincegfidente: anything you want to mention here?14:56
gfidentehey so purpose of that submission is to make sure the client clears parameters:14:57
gfidentebecause it now always passes parameter_defaults:14:57
gfidentebut on update whatever was passed as parameters: preveals on parameter_defaults:14:57
gfidentenow the problem with that is that it will also clear our CinderISCSIHelper which in the templates defaults to tgtadm14:57
gfidentewhile on our testenv it should default to lioadm14:58
dprincegfidente: any side effects of this?14:58
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slaglegfidente: i thought that patch only cleared parameters that were passed as cli args14:58
slaglethat's how it should build the list to pass to clear_parameters14:58
gfidenteso there are two solutions 1) we change the default in templates from tgtadm to lioadm or 2) we make distro-specific hiera preveal on templates as in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283712/14:58
gfidenteslagle, hey man you wrote that patch too :P14:59
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gfidenteit does but it has some defaults it used to pass regardless14:59
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gfidenteamongst which there is lioadm14:59
slaglegfidente: yea, a while ago :). i'll have another look14:59
bnemecWe should just change that default in the templates.  None of our supported platforms right now have tgtadm anymore.15:00
dprincegfidente: okay, thanks for this info. I think we can debate these things on the patch15:00
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gfidentedprince, so the purpose is to let user-specified parameters passed as parameters: to preveal15:00
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dprincebnemec: disagree, tgtadm is the cinder default15:00
dprincetimes up though15:00
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dprincethanks everyone15:00
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dprince#endmeeting15:00
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Mar  8 15:00:45 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)15:00
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tmorin#startmeeting bgpvpn15:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar  8 15:01:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn'15:01
tmorinhi matrohon15:01
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tmorinmeeting is now :)15:01
tmorinhi pcarver, timirnich15:01
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matrohontmorin, hi15:01
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tmorinhi doude: joining us today ?15:02
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tmorinabout the agenda, I think we could discuss:  Heat, release of a stable/liberty maintenance release, bagpipe as an OVS agent extension, ...15:04
tmorinpossibly more15:04
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tmorinwe're not many15:05
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tmorini think we can be quick15:05
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tmorinwe've recently merged a change by matrohon extending Heat support to router association15:05
tmorinanother change to improve Heat documentation15:05
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tmorinand another one is under review to allow specifying bgpvpn and tenants by name in Heat definitions15:06
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tmorinI would say that the Heat work is starting to be feature complete15:06
tmorinany comment ?15:06
tmorin#topic Liberty stable release15:06
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tmorinI've created a request for a release on our stable/liberty branch15:07
matrohontmorin, great15:07
tmorinthis is needed because the 3.0.0 has a few ODL issues that are now solved in git15:07
matrohonwhat number did you ask?15:08
matrohon3.0.1?15:08
tmorin#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/155445215:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1554452 in bgpvpn " Request release for networking-bgpvpn " [Undecided,Confirmed]15:08
tmorinyes, 3.0.115:08
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tmorinI've also tagged 3.0.1 the bugs for which 3.0.1 will have fixes15:08
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matrohonok, nice15:09
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tmorin#topic bagpipe driver as an OVS agent extension15:09
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tmorina patch is ready for review for a change that removes the standalone modified OVS agent15:09
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tmorinan instead provides an OVS agent extension15:10
tmorinthe work is ready and tested15:10
tmorin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281358/15:10
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tmorinmatrohon: a review is now welcome :)15:10
matrohontmorin, ack, will do asap15:10
tmorinmatrohon: same about the Heat "allow names instead of ids in templates" change by the way15:11
tmorin#link https://review.openstack.org/28711915:11
tmorincool15:11
tmorinthanks :)15:11
tmorincomments ?15:11
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tmorin#topic open discussion15:12
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tmorinanything else ?15:13
matrohonthe bgpvpn talk has not been selected for the next summit :(15:13
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tmorinah yes15:13
tmorinworth mentioning indeed15:13
tmorinand it's unfortunate we don't even know why15:14
tmorinan idea who we should ask to know better ?15:14
matrohonI don't know who was selecting the talks..15:15
matrohonfor the telco track15:15
tmorinit would be nice to be able to find out...15:15
tmorinwe'll see15:15
matrohonit seems we forgot the NFV buzz word ! https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Telecom+/+NFV15:16
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matrohontmorin, shouldn't you close the meeting?15:26
tmorinah yes15:26
tmorinthanks "everyone" :)15:27
tmorin#endmeeting15:27
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adrian_otto#startmeeting containers16:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar  8 16:01:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:01
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adrian_otto#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-03-08_1600_UTC Our Agenda16:01
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adrian_otto#topic Roll Call16:01
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adrian_ottoAdrian Otto16:01
coreyobCorey O'Brien16:02
jugglero/16:02
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levi_bLevi Blackstone16:02
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thomasemThomas Maddox16:02
rpothierRob Pothier16:02
jwardJohn Ward16:02
TangoTon Ngo16:02
sidx64Siddharth Shanbhogue16:02
strigazio/ Spyros Trigazis16:02
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muraliamurali allada16:02
adrian_ottohello coreyob juggler levi_b dane_leblanc hongbin thomasem rpothier jward Tango sidx64 strigazi and muralia16:02
muraliahi all16:02
sidx64Hi everyone16:03
jugglerhello16:03
eghoboo/16:03
fgimenezhello everyone o/16:03
adrian_otto#topic Announcements16:03
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adrian_otto1) Feature Freeze and String Freeze16:04
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adrian_ottoalthough we don't have a ton of features landing right now, we should set expectations for when we cut Mitaka16:04
adrian_ottotraditionally Feature freeze means bugs can be fixed, but new features can not be added without an approval from the PTL16:05
adrian_ottothe reason for this is to allow coordination across projects16:05
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adrian_ottodoes anyone have any objections to setting the feature freeze date to Monday, March 14th?16:05
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adrian_ottoat that point we will fork the repo, and patches against trunk will need to be resubmitted against the new branch16:06
adrian_ottoin order to add that work to Mitaka16:07
adrian_ottootherwise it will be part of the subsequent release16:07
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adrian_ottoI'm not hearing any objections, so I'm going to record this as an #agreed16:07
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adrian_ottothoughts to share first?16:07
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adrian_otto#agreed Magnum Mitaka Feature Freeze shall commence upon the creation of the Mitaka code branch from master on March 14th.16:08
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adrian_ottonow, similar topic for string freeze16:09
adrian_ottothis has to do with restricting what string literals can be changed.16:09
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adrian_ottothe purpose for this is to allow for translations into alternate locales16:09
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TangoDoes this include docs?16:09
adrian_ottothis will apply to our documentation, which is still incomplete, and set to Essential for Mitaka.16:09
Tangoah ok16:10
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adrian_ottoHard string freeze is also scheduled to be on March 14th16:11
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adrian_ottoany objections to that cutoff date?16:11
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adrian_ottoany objections or discussion prior to recording this as an #agreed?16:11
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thomasemSounds like agreement to me16:12
adrian_otto#agreed Magnum's hard string freeze will commence on March 14th 201616:12
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adrian_otto3) Magnum will not be having a dedicated OpenStack Summit talk in the main track, as it had in two prior summits, however, several magnum related talks are scheduled in the Containers talk.16:13
adrian_ottocongratulations to those contributors who had talks selected16:13
adrian_ottowe will still have a bunch of spots in the Design Summit16:13
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adrian_ottos/Containers talk/Containers track/16:14
adrian_ottoany other announcements from team members?16:14
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adrian_ottook, let's review ai's16:16
adrian_otto#topic Review Action Items16:16
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adrian_otto1) thomasem to update team on progress on libvirt-lxc work16:17
adrian_ottostatus?16:17
thomasembug opened about one of the issues https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/155274016:17
openstackLaunchpad bug 1552740 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Nova hard reboot fails to mount logical volume (LVM + libvirt-lxc)" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Thomas Maddox (thomas-maddox)16:17
thomasemHad a few production issues that I had to divert my attention to after that.16:17
thomasemSo, didn't get to work on it any more.16:17
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adrian_ottook16:18
adrian_ottois that the only known defect?16:18
thomasemThat and this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240611/116:18
thomasemSorry, let me get the bug associated16:18
thomasemhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/119196016:19
openstackLaunchpad bug 1191960 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "force-delete of cinder volume errors with Can\'t remove open logical volume " [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Thomas Maddox (thomas-maddox)16:19
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thomasemlvremove sometimes also fails16:19
thomasemwith device being busy16:19
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adrian_ottobecause there are processes holding references to inodes on that volume?16:19
thomasemI'm wondering if there's a Libvirt bug or two underneath all of this.16:19
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thomasemIt seems like it, however fuser/lsof don't really give me any indication as to what process.16:20
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thomasemThe fd just seemed to eventually die off over time16:20
adrian_ottodo you find entries in lsof that relate to that volume at all?16:20
thomasemnope16:20
thomasemIt's like something orphaned in another namespace16:20
thomasemor something else16:20
adrian_ottooh, so probably something lower level than filesystem access16:21
thomasemyeah, that's what I'm worried about16:21
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thomasemIt is a fairly old kernel now, fwiw.16:21
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thomasemI haven't had this issue at all on 3.18.2116:21
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adrian_ottook16:22
thomasemWondering if moving to another kernel in gate (new Ubuntu, or some other distro) might magically make these go away.16:22
adrian_ottois there anything that other Magnum contributors may be able to assist you with, thomasem16:22
thomasemNot unless one wants to dig in on either of these16:22
adrian_ottothomasem: trying a different kernel in the gate sounds worth it to me16:22
thomasemBut they are Nova problems, specifically, with Libvirt/LXC16:22
thomasemYeah, I've seen far better behavior on upstream 3.x kernels16:23
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thomasemthan the Ubuntu ones16:23
thomasemEven at the same version16:23
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adrian_ottothanks for the update thomasem.16:23
thomasemSure thing16:23
adrian_ottothat was our only action item from last week16:23
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adrian_otto#topic Blueprint Review16:23
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adrian_ottoEssential Blueprint Review16:23
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/mitaka Mitaka Blueprints16:24
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-troubleshooting-guide Troubleshooting Guide16:24
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/user-guide User Guide16:24
TangoWe got the patch on etcd troubleshooting merged, thanks everyone for the review.16:24
TangoThere is a new patch on image management for review16:25
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adrian_ottogreat!16:25
Tangowangqun has volunteered to cover the section on storage in the user guide16:25
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TangoShe has been implementing most of that feature16:25
TangoThat's all from me16:26
adrian_ottothanks Tango16:26
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adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/resource-quota Resource Qhota16:27
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adrian_ottovilobh11 had been working on this16:27
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adrian_ottoit might make sense to push this into the next release cycle16:27
adrian_ottothoughts on this?16:28
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adrian_ottook, I removed the targeting from Mitaka16:29
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adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-installation-guide Magnum Install Guide16:29
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adrian_ottoSpyros was working on this one16:30
strigaziI'm working on it, and I pushed a patch-set https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28858016:30
strigaziI also created a blueprint under openstack-manuals16:30
adrian_ottothanks for your work on this, strigazi16:30
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strigazithis also needs review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289994/16:31
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adrian_ottoso these are in two separate repos16:31
strigaziyes16:32
adrian_ottowhich means that we have two places to edit when we want to adjust this16:32
adrian_ottomight it make sense to make the one within the magnum repo a pointer back to the other?16:32
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adrian_ottofor DRY16:32
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strigaziI'm not sure, but to have something in openstack-manuals it must be in docs-specs too16:33
adrian_ottowhat have other projects done?16:33
strigazithere is something similar for manila16:33
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strigazieg https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/create-manila-install-guide16:34
strigazithe guide's specs is in docs-specs16:35
adrian_ottook, so reviewers will need to take note that if future patches surface against the install docs, that the copy over in openstack-manuals will also need equivalent updates.16:35
adrian_ottoare our reviewers okay with that?16:35
TangoWe can put a note in the BP16:36
adrian_ottobut that will get closed out upon release16:36
adrian_ottoI'm thinking forward to when today is a distant memory16:36
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TangoComment in the doc?16:36
vilobhmm11how about a note is added in commit message will that help16:36
adrian_ottoto avoid drift between those two references… probably a comment in the doc.16:36
strigaziok, I'll check what they did in manila as well16:37
adrian_ottoand maybe a tech-debt bug to remove our copy and replace it with a link to openstack-manuals upon mutually agreed maturity of the text (slow rate of change)16:37
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adrian_ottothanks strigazi16:38
strigaziyou're wellcome16:39
adrian_ottook, that concludes the essential blueprints16:39
adrian_ottoBlueprints, Bugs, Specs, and other work items to be discussed as a team16:39
adrian_ottolast week we touched on 1) swarm related heat templates (for storage support) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275034/16:39
adrian_ottothere is news here16:40
adrian_ottodocker 1.10.x has a patch that eliminates the bug requiring selinux to be disabled16:40
adrian_ottoso this patch can be reworked to use that fixed code and I will be able to lift my -2 vote16:40
adrian_ottospecial thanks to Dan Walsh from Redhat for helping us16:41
adrian_ottoany other comments on this one?16:41
coreyobfyi, I think se_linux got disable agend16:41
coreyobagain16:41
coreyobhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/289626/16:41
vilobhmm11yup thats right16:42
jugglershould I keep pressing forward with my efforts, or is that a different topic?16:42
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adrian_ottojuggler: I will regroup with you after16:42
jugglergot it16:42
eghoboit looks like most Kub deployments prefer to stay with 1.8.216:42
hongbinIt looks the k8s bay is not functioning if selinux is enabled. The root cause is unknown16:43
Tangoeghobo: Is it because of stability in later release?16:43
adrian_ottowhich version of docker is in that non-functioning config?16:43
hongbinNot sure exactly. It is from the *-5 image16:44
Tangowe have docker 1.8.116:44
eghobono, networking. docker is running dns server inside now ;). in theory everything it should work, but i never tried16:44
adrian_ottook, lets form a tiger team to burn this problem down.16:45
adrian_ottoI volunteer to help16:45
adrian_ottojuggler: do you have time to work on it?16:45
hongbinFor reference, here is the bug16:45
hongbin#link https://launchpad.net/bugs/155164816:46
openstackLaunchpad bug 1551648 in Magnum "k8s podmaster doesn't work" [Critical,Fix released] - Assigned to hongbin (hongbin034)16:46
adrian_ottothanks hongbin16:46
adrian_ottoso hongbin, let's start up an ML thread explaining the problem16:46
hongbinsure16:46
adrian_ottoand do some initial troublehsooting together16:47
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juggleraotto: we can chat about it during the regroup16:47
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adrian_ottowe can pull in help as needed. I asked juggler to investigate ways to avoid disabling selinux by policy building16:47
adrian_ottothanks juggler16:47
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adrian_ottothe easiest way to troubleshoot this is to put the host into permissive mode, and look at the /var/log/audit.log file16:48
adrian_ottoand find out what the action policy violations are16:48
adrian_otto3) thomasem to get Libvirt/LXC Nova gate test to voting16:49
adrian_ottoyou updated us earlier on the work in nova16:49
adrian_ottoany work to report within Magnum?16:49
thomasemI believe coreyob tried to get Magnum func tests working with Libvirt/LXC and had significant image issues16:49
adrian_ottocoreyob: what's happening there?16:50
thomasemHe could give you more details, but in order to accomplish that we'll need to roll a custom image atm.16:50
coreyobyeah I looked into a bit and stopped at the point of having to convert the atomic images to something that woudl work with the lxc driver16:50
thomasemNot sure if that's desired.16:50
coreyobthe atomic images are multi-partition with lvm and not ext4 which are in conflict with the lxc driver's expectations16:51
adrian_ottoI see16:51
coreyobpretty sure we can work around that, but I didn't actually do the work to prove that16:51
adrian_ottois this somethign you have tabled, or are you planning to keep on with it?16:51
coreyobtabling it for now until the team is confident enough with the lxc driver to move forward with that idea16:52
adrian_ottoI don't remember any other viable options to get our functional gate tests to execute quickly enough16:52
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adrian_ottothe only other alternative I can think of is to use the 3rd party CI facility to to the func tests on bare metal hosts16:53
coreyobunless infra gives us bigger VMs :)16:53
adrian_ottoit's not so much the size but the speed of them… particularly the IO performance16:53
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coreyoblast time we discussed it there were some hesitations about using the libvirt/lxc driver from nova because it wasn't as maintained16:53
adrian_ottowe are short on time, so I will take this to the ML as well, and pull in openstack-infra16:53
coreyobsounds good16:54
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adrian_otto#action adrian_otto to start an ML thread about Magnum functional gate tests taking forever to execute in OpenStack CI.16:54
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adrian_ottowe have a topic on the agenda: Bay node OS support in Magnum, but I am reluctant to raise this for discussion because we don't have time today to cover it adequately16:55
adrian_ottoso I am planning to table that until next meeting, and move it higher into the agenda16:55
thomasemSounds good16:55
adrian_otto#topic Open Discussion16:55
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sidx64_Hey all, I'm working on documenting my attempts at configuring and deploying magnum on RDO with mesos and marathon. Can I help with this in regards to the magnum install guide? Also, wondering if I could reach someone who has worked on this set up (magnum with mesos marathon)16:55
jugglerx2 with thomasem16:55
adrian_ottosidx64_: yes, we welcome your participation16:56
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adrian_ottosidx64_: I know hongbin has a ton on his plate, but he may be able to offer a pointer or two there.16:57
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hongbinsidx64_: Yes, feel free to ping me in the IRC16:57
adrian_ottoin #openstack-containers16:57
hongbinyes16:58
sidx64_Thank you adrian_otto and Hong bin. Thanks a ton.16:58
adrian_ottoand let's do our best to capture the insight that sidx64_ learns, and codify that into our docs16:58
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adrian_ottosidx64_: we would really appreciate your help in making it easier for those who come after you16:58
adrian_ottook, we are approaching the end of our scheduled meeting time16:59
sidx64_I'll share my documentation with you as soon as I have it up. I have shared a rough draft for setting up magnum with mvelten once.but that needs extensive changes now.16:59
sidx64_Thank you16:59
adrian_ottoour next team meeting will be 2016-03-15 at 1600 UTC here in #openstack-meeting-alt16:59
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adrian_ottosee you all then!17:00
adrian_ottothanks for attending17:00
adrian_otto#endmeeting17:00
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sidx64_Thank you17:00
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-03-08-16.01.html17:00
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openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-03-08-16.01.log.html17:00
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jugglerthanks ao17:00
adrian_otto;-)17:00
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