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| cdent | bauzas: is there a scheduler meeting? | 14:03 |
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| bauzas | cdent: it should be | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was wondering the same thing | 14:03 |
| bauzas | cdent: but maybe edleafe is forgetting the DST | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, you hit that already | 14:03 |
| cdent | bauzas: Yeah, I was just thinking that | 14:03 |
| bauzas | let's start anyway | 14:03 |
| bauzas | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 14 14:04:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bauzas. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:04 |
| bauzas | mornooning | 14:04 |
| cdent | moooooo | 14:04 |
| Yingxin | evening | 14:04 |
| bauzas | so, while we wait US folks because those are forgetting the daylight shift... | 14:04 |
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| bauzas | anyway, we can start and people can read logs | 14:05 |
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| bauzas | #topic features (those we like but don't approve yet) | 14:06 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "features (those we like but don't approve yet) (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:06 | |
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| bauzas | #info Nova still on FeatureFreeze with RC1 planned this week | 14:06 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: correct ^ ? | 14:06 |
| bauzas | I mean for the RC1 stuff | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 14:07 |
| bauzas | I have a doubt, lemme check | 14:07 |
| bauzas | yeah, http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/schedule.html | 14:07 |
| bauzas | RC1 this week | 14:07 |
| bauzas | so that means we should open newton soon ? | 14:08 |
| bauzas | after RC1 is cut | 14:08 |
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| bauzas | I take that as a yes :D | 14:09 |
| cdent | silence means approval :) | 14:09 |
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| bauzas | so, folks, nothing to raise for feature-related changes, just a general comment : prepare your patch series, those should be reviewable soon :) | 14:09 |
| bauzas | moving on ? | 14:10 |
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| not_bauzas | bauzas: yeah please continue | 14:11 |
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| bauzas | not_bauzas : okay, fair enough | 14:11 |
| Yingxin | does it mean I should resubmit the spec to open https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262938/ again? | 14:11 |
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| * cdent appreciates bauzas' effort | 14:12 | |
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| bauzas | Yingxin: indeed, all approved specs require another approval for Newton but that should be a fast-approve | 14:12 |
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| bauzas | Yingxin: ie. only one core +2/+W | 14:12 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: one *nova-specs* core tbp | 14:12 |
| Yingxin | bauzas: get it | 14:13 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: that will be the top prio for the pre-summit period, reviewing all pending specs to approve | 14:13 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: and ideally, merge things which were close to be, but missed the deadline | 14:13 |
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| bauzas | Yingxin: just keep in mind that cores are still chasing regression bugs for the RC period until we deliver Mitaka | 14:14 |
| bauzas | so we'll not be full steam ahead | 14:14 |
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| bauzas | anyway, moving on | 14:15 |
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| bauzas | #topic bugs (those we don't like but we need to fix soon) | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (those we don't like but we need to fix soon) (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:15 | |
| cdent | so, | 14:15 |
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| cdent | I was reviewing bugs at the end of last week, tagged scheduler and found many of them were not actionable | 14:15 |
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| cdent | either because they are too old | 14:16 |
| cdent | or because the debate associated with the issue has tailed off into nothing | 14:16 |
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| cdent | I'd much prefer to see bugs like that die in a fire than cloud up the radar | 14:16 |
| bauzas | +++++ | 14:16 |
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| bauzas | cdent: just leave a very gentle comment asking those to be reproduced against master, and put them Incomplete | 14:16 |
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| Yingxin | there are another two bug fixes in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:17 |
| * cdent will endeavor to do so | 14:17 | |
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| bauzas | Yingxin: scheduler-related ? | 14:18 |
| Yingxin | but I thought they are not so urgent to be merged in Mitaka | 14:18 |
| Yingxin | bauzas: yes | 14:18 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: I don't see those | 14:18 |
| bauzas | oh, in the sched section | 14:18 |
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| Yingxin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290302/ | 14:18 |
| Yingxin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292362/ | 14:18 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: so that's a good point | 14:18 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: I suspect those aren't regressions, right? | 14:19 |
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| Yingxin | bauzas: yes | 14:19 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: so in general we prefer to leave the mitaka-rc-potential tag for regression bugs | 14:19 |
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| bauzas | Yingxin: that doesn't mean we can't land those bugfixes, just that they won't have the same priority as for regression bugs | 14:20 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: but I can certainly take a look on both :) | 14:20 |
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| Yingxin | bauzas: thanks :) | 14:20 |
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| bauzas | Yingxin: TBC, once we cut RC1, those bugfixes won't be in Mitaka | 14:21 |
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| bauzas | if we merge those after the RC1 tag | 14:21 |
| bauzas | because we branch Mitaka right after RC1 | 14:21 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: so, if you'd like to get them for Mitaka and those are Newton, you'll have to tag the bug report as mitaka-stable-potential (once RC1 is cut this week) | 14:22 |
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| bauzas | Yingxin: gotcha ? | 14:22 |
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| Yingxin | bauzas: yup, need to read carefully | 14:22 |
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| bauzas | Yingxin: it's just a matter of knowing what to land and when :) | 14:23 |
| bauzas | but we can discuss that later offline | 14:23 |
| Yingxin | so they are mitaka-stable-potential if they are not so urgent to fix in mitaka? | 14:23 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: only if you consider them valuable for mitaka | 14:23 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: per the stable policy | 14:24 |
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| bauzas | Yingxin: I'm just trying to explain that those 2 bugfixes can be merged before or after RC1 this week | 14:24 |
| Yingxin | bauzas: ok | 14:24 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: but depending whether it will be before or after the RC1 tag, they will respectively be either in Mitaka or in Newton, gotcha ? | 14:25 |
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| Yingxin | bauzas: gotcha | 14:25 |
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| bauzas | ok, moving on, unless someone shouts no | 14:25 |
| bauzas | now | 14:25 |
| bauzas | #topic open discussion | 14:27 |
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| bauzas | folks, the mic is yours | 14:27 |
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| cdent | I already made my moan, I've got nothing else. | 14:28 |
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| bauzas | nothing really I have in mind this time | 14:29 |
| Yingxin | nothing else, too | 14:29 |
| bauzas | honestly, I don't see necessary to discuss about Summit talks | 14:29 |
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| bauzas | or rather design sessions | 14:29 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I know you're leaving off your ring, but do you plan to open an etherpad for newton design session proposals ? | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | hey, so can I help answer questions for you cdent? | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | I just did that actually | 14:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-summit-ideas | 14:30 |
| bauzas | awesomeness | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | about to send an ML note | 14:30 |
| bauzas | heh | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | meant to do it last week, oops | 14:30 |
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| bauzas | lemme annonce that unofficially :) | 14:31 |
| cdent | johnthetubaguy: questions about the bugs I was moaning about? It's more of a cultural complaint than specific issues with specific bugs (although that too) | 14:31 |
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| bauzas | #info Austin design session proposals can be shared in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-summit-ideas more to come in a ML thread | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: so you can kill all those that don't seem actionable, as I understand it | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: our historic issue is lack of attention, markus_z is starting to get progress there again | 14:32 |
| cdent | roger that | 14:32 |
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| cdent | (american roger that, not british) | 14:32 |
| bauzas | TBH, we are not the most aggresive project for abandoning bugs, so we can certainly be a little bit more concerned | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: I think part of the issue is not everyone agreeing how to kill them | 14:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cdent: ack! | 14:33 |
| cdent | From what I can tell I don't have all the options available to me. | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: have you joined the bug triage group, and read the triage guide? | 14:33 |
| cdent | I've read the triage guide, but I'm not aware of joining a group. | 14:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cdent: see line three: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage | 14:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cdent: honestly, we might want to get rid of that group, it just seems to be causing problems | 14:35 |
| cdent | thanks, done | 14:35 |
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| cdent | permissive forgiveness rather than membership does seem to be the zeitgeist these days | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: for some reason, we are doing both | 14:36 |
| * bauzas googles | 14:36 | |
| johnthetubaguy | i.e. permissive membership (makes up new term) | 14:37 |
| cdent | how very british, it's kind of like how you buy a membership to a health club but still need to pay every time you go | 14:37 |
| * cdent boggles | 14:37 | |
| * bauzas thanks Wikipedia | 14:37 | |
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| bauzas | anyway, that does sound a tool problem with launchpad | 14:38 |
| * bauzas likes opening scars and putting salt on those | 14:39 | |
| cdent | I think we're done, yeah? | 14:40 |
| bauzas | I hope so | 14:40 |
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| bauzas | 20 mins for getting a membership for health club | 14:40 |
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| bauzas | ++ folks | 14:40 |
| bauzas | #endmeeting | 14:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 14 14:41:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-03-14-14.04.html | 14:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-03-14-14.04.txt | 14:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-03-14-14.04.log.html | 14:41 |
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| dims_ | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| dims_ | courtesy ping for GheRivero, amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, harlowja, haypo, | 16:00 |
| dims_ | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, spamaps | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 14 16:00:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dims_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| dims_ | courtesy ping for sergmelikyan, sreshetnyak, sileht, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek, gcb | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| dims_ | courtesy ping for dukhlov, lxsli, rbradfor, mikal, nakato, tcammann1, browne, | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:00 |
| toabctl | hi | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | yo! | 16:00 |
| jecarey | o/ | 16:00 |
| dims_ | Thanks haypo for running the meeting last week | 16:00 |
| amrith | hello! | 16:00 |
| redrobot | o/ | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:00 |
| rbradfor | Happy Pi Day! | 16:01 |
| dims_ | hi johnsom bknudson e0ne toabctl kgiusti jecarey amrith redrobot jungleboyj rbradfor | 16:01 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | yo yo | 16:01 |
| dims_ | hi rpodolyaka | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | hi dims_ | 16:01 |
| dims_ | rbradfor : happy pi day :) | 16:01 |
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| dims_ | hi harlowja_at_home | 16:01 |
| dims_ | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | hi hi dims_ | 16:01 |
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| bknudson | none for keystone | 16:02 |
| johnsom | Nothing to report from LBaaS land | 16:02 |
| stevemar | damn dst | 16:02 |
| dims_ | thanks bknudson johnsom | 16:02 |
| redrobot | Pi Day! \o/ | 16:02 |
| dims_ | stevemar : hehe | 16:02 |
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| sileht | o/ | 16:02 |
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| haypo | sileht: _o/ | 16:02 |
| dims_ | hi sileht haypo | 16:03 |
| dims_ | #topic Any stop-ship Bugs needed to be fixed for Mitaka | 16:03 |
| dims_ | Oslo.messaging - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo.messaging+branch:stable/mitaka | 16:03 |
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| jungleboyj | Nothing to report from Cinder. Good news, we now have incubator fully removed. | 16:03 |
| rpodolyaka | \o/ | 16:03 |
| dims_ | i found a couple of things we could fix, so please review those 2 items and we can request a oslo.messaging release for Mitaka | 16:03 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: it's really good news! | 16:03 |
| rbradfor | jungleboyj, great to hear, no more incubator | 16:03 |
| dims_ | jungleboyj : very cool | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Indeed! | 16:03 |
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| * jungleboyj should have dug into it earlier. Didn't take much work. | 16:04 | |
| dims_ | jungleboyj : w00t | 16:04 |
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| amrith | none from trove. | 16:04 |
| dims_ | so stable/mitaka branches were cut from the last released library SHA | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | woot! | 16:05 |
| dims_ | if anyone has stuff that went in after the last release into master, we should consider backporting to stable/mitaka and asking for a release | 16:05 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:06 |
| dims_ | one review above is to fix problems we see in grenade the other one is to not starve threads other than the notification listener | 16:06 |
| dims_ | both one-liners | 16:06 |
| dims_ | so please vote on those | 16:06 |
| dims_ | hey ozamiatin | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | ah, time.sleep(0) | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | how i hate such code, lol | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:07 |
| dims_ | ozamiatin dukhlov for the pika and zmq drivers and the simulator stuff, those can wait until we wrap up mitaka work | 16:07 |
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| * harlowja_at_home looking at blocking code review, ha | 16:07 | |
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| dims_ | harlowja_at_home : tested in 2 different environments by different people, | 16:08 |
| ozamiatin | dims_: ok | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims_, i know, such code just makes me sad, lol | 16:08 |
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| harlowja_at_home | its like sprinkling fairy dust in various places | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:08 |
| dims_ | yep, hard to find them too | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | yup | 16:08 |
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| dims_ | looks like no one else needs anything for Mitaka :) moving on | 16:09 |
| dims_ | #topic Gather session ideas for Austin | 16:09 |
| dims_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-oslo-summit-planning | 16:09 |
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| dims_ | we need to help the next PTL :) ^^ | 16:09 |
| dims_ | giving it a minute for people to look through | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims_, should we send that etherpad to ML? | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | dims_: Some good stuff in there. | 16:10 |
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| dims_ | harlowja_at_home : +1 please do | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | kk | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | will do | 16:11 |
| dims_ | #action harlowja_at_home to send planning etherpad to mailing list | 16:11 |
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| dims_ | so i keep getting asked what did we do in Mitaka :) so crowdsourcing it | 16:12 |
| dims_ | #topic Achievements for Mitaka - The good, the bad and the ugly | 16:12 |
| dims_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-oslo-achievements | 16:12 |
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| harlowja_at_home | nice | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | +\ | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | +1 | 16:12 |
| dims_ | please add even small achievements | 16:12 |
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| dims_ | this will help figure out what we want to tell projects to adopt/use in the next cycle | 16:12 |
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| harlowja_at_home | cools | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | good idear | 16:13 |
| dims_ | liaison's please note the TODO's at the end :) | 16:13 |
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| dims_ | harlowja_at_home : something about tooz ther? | 16:14 |
| * dhellmann ducks in late | 16:14 | |
| harlowja_at_home | dims_, hmmmm, let me think, jd__ yt | 16:14 |
| dims_ | dhellmann we need to advertise what we did in M - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-oslo-achievements | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | jungleboyj, did any tooz integration merge into cinder (finally?) | 16:14 |
| dims_ | harlowja_at_home : if we have to evangelize tooz+zookeeper stuff now's the time :) | 16:15 |
| johnsom | I think we are good on both of those TODO's but I will double check | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | harlowja_at_home: I think some has gotten in. I would need to check with Dulko on that. | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Do you know for sure? | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims_, did u say zookeeper | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | that's bad | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | haha | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | thou shall not say that word | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | especially java | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | thou who can not be named | 16:16 |
| dims_ | lol | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | (or whatever it was from harry potter, i forget) | 16:16 |
| dims_ | dhellmann : did you get a chance to peek at the planning etherpad too? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-oslo-summit-planning | 16:16 |
| dims_ | #topic Open discussion | 16:16 |
| dims_ | Any stuck reviews? new specs? | 16:16 |
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| dhellmann | dims_ : yeah, I added one or two things to each of those | 16:17 |
| amrith | I have one ... for open discussion. | 16:17 |
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| dims_ | shoot amrith | 16:17 |
| bknudson | I've got one for oslo.policy using yaml | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | oh dims_ should we have a followup topic in newton about all the reviewers and how to get more and more and more... | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | and more | 16:17 |
| amrith | I'm wondering if there is some way we can have an extension to the current API's in oslo.messaging to provide credentials with which the underlying transport will connect. | 16:17 |
| rbradfor | dims_, I've proposed a spec to standardize on context args https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290907/ Based on several reviews that just skim the surface | 16:18 |
| bknudson | oslo.policy in yaml - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279748/ | 16:18 |
| amrith | i.e. pass the moral equivalent of rabbitMQ credentials (or the appropriate ones for other transports) from the requestor | 16:18 |
| bknudson | I put it in keystone-specs | 16:18 |
| amrith | rather than configuration options. | 16:18 |
| amrith | thoughts? | 16:18 |
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| dhellmann | amrith : so you want to send credentials over the message bus? | 16:18 |
| dims_ | amrith : you can programatically construct a transport url (and the url can have the creds) | 16:18 |
| rbradfor | I am also writing a Deprecation management policy https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288720/ Would appreciate initial feedback while I'm still completing | 16:18 |
| amrith | Logical extension to that (camel meet tent) is that I'd like the ability to create users through oslo.messaging. | 16:18 |
| amrith | sorry dhellmann no. | 16:18 |
| amrith | I'd like to be able to pass to oslo.messaging, the credentials that rabbitMQ under the covers should use to connect to the MQ server. | 16:19 |
| bknudson | rbradfor: there's already a deprecation policy - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226157/ | 16:19 |
| bknudson | in review | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | amrith : as dims_ said, you can do that in the connection url | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | and if not, that's a bug | 16:19 |
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| amrith | dhellmann, dims_ thanks. Let me see if that will do what I want. | 16:19 |
| amrith | thanks | 16:19 |
| dims_ | bknudson : the oslo.policy spec.. want to move it to oslo-specs? should be a breeze since we already merged some reviews | 16:20 |
| rbradfor | bknudson, that does not talk about the packages and features we use to deprecate. | 16:20 |
| dims_ | rbradfor : is yours a HOWTO? | 16:21 |
| bknudson | dims_: I originally proposed it to oslo-specs, so i can move it back there. | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | e0ne, jungleboyj ya, seems like tooz something or other landed in cinder ( https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/requirements.txt#L59 ) | 16:21 |
| dims_ | bknudson : ack | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | e0ne, any idea what merged, if u get some time | 16:22 |
| rbradfor | dims_, you could say that. Given what is available to use, this is how you should use it. | 16:22 |
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| harlowja_at_home | (or else i can find out by scanning git history) | 16:22 |
| dims_ | dhellmann : is there another spot we can use for a HOWTO deprecate? | 16:22 |
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| dims_ | since it may be useful for other projects too? | 16:22 |
| e0ne | harlowja_at_home: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/commit/d6fabaa6cf7700cfb957e37594d0da818afea806 | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | e0ne, thx | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, do u want to add a little piece about taskflow, how it made your life so much better in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-oslo-achievements | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Was just about to put that here. | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, under new integrations | 16:23 |
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| dhellmann | dims_ : we could put it in the project-team-guide, but that's really mean to be processes used everywhere and different projects may have slight variations | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | harlowja_at_home: So, first round of work to get distributed locks for A/A HA support. | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | jungleboyj, e0ne coool, so starts with file-locks | 16:24 |
| johnsom | Hmm, sure. You should add the deciders too. Big feature for us | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, u want to add ;) | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | haha | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | u can say how awesome it is for u | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:24 |
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| johnsom | Ok. Not sure if we fit in "new" integrations, as we were using taskflow in liberty too | 16:24 |
| dims_ | i threw in "Evangelize distributed locks (tooz + zookeeper?)" | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, ok i fixed it :) | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims_, 'It-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named' | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | u must not say that word | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | dims_ : since rbradfor's is a howto as long as it doesn't conflict with lifeless' proposal maybe it can be a follow-up to that? we've been using the policy section of the specs repo for oslo team notes, but maybe we want to add a new dev-guide section? | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Voldemort (if u don't get the joke) | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:26 |
| rbradfor | dhellmann, I welcome any feedback to adjust/rename accordingly. | 16:26 |
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| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, thx :) | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, i can write how awesome things are, but it feels weird for me to write it, lol | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | rbradfor : most project teams have a dev guide in their main repo, but we don't have a "main" repo any more now that the incubator isn't being used | 16:27 |
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| johnsom | Grin | 16:28 |
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| johnsom | harlowja_at_home Though you are probably better at wording some of this | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, haha, perhaps | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | i mostly just write crap though | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | its an acquired skill | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:29 |
| johnsom | You have full license to word smith anything I write | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx :) | 16:29 |
| dims_ | johnsom bknudson e0ne toabctl kgiusti jecarey amrith redrobot jungleboyj rbradfor harlowja_at_home rpodolyaka sileht haypo - anything else? | 16:30 |
| bknudson | nope | 16:30 |
| johnsom | nope | 16:30 |
| rpodolyaka | no | 16:30 |
| jecarey | no | 16:30 |
| kgiusti | nope | 16:30 |
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| rbradfor | no | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | no no | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | yes | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | haha, just kidding on the yes | 16:30 |
| dims_ | Last but not the least :) Please throw your hat in the ring for PTL | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | Nope. | 16:30 |
| rbradfor | dims_, good to meet you in person last monday! | 16:30 |
| dims_ | Thanks everyone | 16:31 |
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| jungleboyj | Thank you! | 16:31 |
| dims_ | rbradfor : likewise :) it was short but still fun | 16:31 |
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| dims_ | talk to you all next week | 16:31 |
| dims_ | #endmeeting | 16:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 14 16:31:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-03-14-16.00.html | 16:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-03-14-16.00.txt | 16:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-03-14-16.00.log.html | 16:31 |
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| mfedosin | Courtesy meeting reminder ( #openstack-meeting-alt ): nikhil_k, ativelkov, mfedosin, docaedo, dshakhray, kfox111, kairat, nikhil, sudipto | 17:31 |
| docaedo | o/ | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | #startmeeting glare | 17:31 |
| nikhil | o/ | 17:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 14 17:31:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mfedosin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glare)" | 17:31 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glare' | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | hi folks | 17:31 |
| nikhil | o/ | 17:31 |
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| mfedosin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-artifacts-sub-team-meeting-agenda | 17:32 |
| mfedosin | #topic Glare All-In-One | 17:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Glare All-In-One (Meeting topic: glare)" | 17:32 | |
| mfedosin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292327/ | 17:32 |
| mfedosin | so, good news are we almost finished our prototype of Glare v1 | 17:33 |
| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:33 |
| mfedosin | it's not finished, because it doesn't support uploading and downloading files | 17:33 |
| nikhil | o// | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | but it will be done before Thursday | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | and I'm going to make a demo how Glare v1 works with images | 17:34 |
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| mfedosin | including existing | 17:35 |
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| docaedo | that's good news for sure! | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | it will be inner mirantis thing, but if anyone is interested I'll be able to make a public demo | 17:35 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: I would love to chat a bit more on the public demo after the meeting | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | after that, when glare skeleton is done, we will start to put flesh on it | 17:37 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: +1 :) | 17:37 |
| mfedosin | at this part I will need support of docaedo and other customers | 17:37 |
| mfedosin | what requirements they have and so on | 17:38 |
| docaedo | Sure, we're hoping to have a working demo for app-catalog soon too (but that's being led by kzaitsev_mb!) | 17:38 |
| mfedosin | docaedo: will you be able to organize 1/1 talk next week? | 17:38 |
| docaedo | mfedosin: sure, next week is pretty open for me | 17:38 |
| mfedosin | or with Kevin :) | 17:38 |
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| mfedosin | docaedo: cool, I'll schedule it later this week | 17:39 |
| docaedo | but we can probably set a time to talk about stuff on one of the IRC channels? Or did you want to do a conference call? | 17:39 |
| mfedosin | irc is good for me | 17:39 |
| mfedosin | and more preferable, because I'll have logs | 17:39 |
| kzaitsev_mb | mfedosin: most of the time you can come to #openstack-app-catalog, where we all hang out =) | 17:40 |
| mfedosin | kzaitsev_mb: thanks for invitation | 17:40 |
| nikhil | ++ | 17:40 |
| mfedosin | I think we can chat there | 17:40 |
| nikhil | I'd love to be there whenever this happens | 17:41 |
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| nikhil | to just listen in | 17:41 |
| mfedosin | I suppose next Wednesday, 18 UTC | 17:41 |
| docaedo | yep, please join us there, and if you want to add something to the agenda to be sure we're all there, our meetings are Thursday mornings (1700UTC) | 17:41 |
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| mfedosin | thanks again :) | 17:42 |
| docaedo | that works for me, we can talk on the app catalog channel too to make sure we have kfox1111 there as well | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | okay, next topic | 17:42 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: wed mar 23rd 18utc ? | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: yes | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | #topic Tags API, do we need it? | 17:42 |
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| nikhil | mfedosin: thx | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | the issue is in Glance we have 2 different ways of setting tags | 17:43 |
| mfedosin | with regular PATCH update as an attribute of image | 17:43 |
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| mfedosin | and with special API for tags with PUT and DELETE | 17:43 |
| mfedosin | initially I wanted to implement them both | 17:44 |
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| mfedosin | but now I think it's not a good idea | 17:44 |
| mfedosin | and I decided to leave just PATCH update | 17:44 |
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| * nikhil agrees | 17:44 | |
| docaedo | +1 for patch | 17:44 |
| mfedosin | #link http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-image-v2.html | 17:44 |
| nikhil | we can add it later if asked | 17:44 |
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| mfedosin | it's how we do it in Glance | 17:45 |
| mfedosin | so, who will -1 my spec? :) | 17:45 |
| mfedosin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283136/ | 17:45 |
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| mfedosin | if we agree here we can move forward | 17:46 |
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| mfedosin | #topic Glare architecture more detailed | 17:47 |
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| nikhil | I can comment on the spec that we should just go with PATCH and let's take it from there | 17:47 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: yep | 17:47 |
| mfedosin | #link https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13626875/Glare_stack_architecture.png | 17:47 |
| mfedosin | here you can see how glare v1 is organized | 17:48 |
| mfedosin | architecture is rather simple, but effective | 17:48 |
| mfedosin | api is separated from the other system | 17:48 |
| mfedosin | it works just with dicts that come from engine | 17:49 |
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| mfedosin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292327/1/glance/api/glare/v1/glare.py | 17:49 |
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| mfedosin | engine is the thing that encapsulate all logic with policies, notifications, membership etc. | 17:50 |
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| mfedosin | so all stuff that domain model is responsible in Glance | 17:51 |
| mfedosin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292327/1/glance/glare/engine.py | 17:52 |
| mfedosin | finally it comes layer of base artifact type | 17:52 |
| mfedosin | there we implement all common operations with artifacts, like 'create', 'update', and so on | 17:52 |
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| mfedosin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292327/1/glance/objects/base.py | 17:53 |
| mfedosin | and on the lowest layer - realizations of artifact type - it's just the structure of artifact and interaction with db | 17:54 |
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| mfedosin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292327/1/glance/objects/image.py | 17:54 |
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| mfedosin | that's all | 17:54 |
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| nikhil | awesome! | 17:55 |
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| mfedosin | thank you | 17:55 |
| nikhil | diagram is good | 17:55 |
| nikhil | I have a couple of questions, will ask one here and let's discuss other later. | 17:55 |
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| mfedosin | another thing I want to add - we don't use custom realization of json-patch | 17:55 |
| nikhil | I think we can rename this file glance/api/glare/v1/glare.py to glance/api/glare/v1/artifacts.py or something | 17:55 |
| * nikhil waits | 17:55 | |
| mfedosin | like glance and v0.1 | 17:56 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: we can talk about it in glance channel | 17:56 |
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| nikhil | ok cool | 17:56 |
| mfedosin | right after the meeting | 17:56 |
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| nikhil | or on the patch then :) | 17:56 |
| mfedosin | #topic Open Discussion | 17:56 |
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| mfedosin | and also there was a small presentation last week | 17:57 |
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| mfedosin | as a part of OS bug smashing day | 17:57 |
| mfedosin | nikhil recorded it and uploaded on youtube | 17:57 |
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| nikhil | woohoo! and it's a hit | 17:57 |
| docaedo | Link? | 17:58 |
| mfedosin | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8gjMgCQvbA | 17:58 |
| nikhil | thanks mfedosin | 17:58 |
| mfedosin | I wasn't prepared really... | 17:58 |
| nikhil | there are others (diff topics) too if people are interested | 17:59 |
| nikhil | #link https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyEnD-qUmolHQhe3VinXGzw | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | so it was kind of improvisation | 17:59 |
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| nikhil | (in the bigger interests) | 17:59 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: I think it was great, people learnt a lot | 17:59 |
| docaedo | nice, will get some popcorn and sit down to watch later :) | 17:59 |
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| mfedosin | docaedo: one time hangout lagged and I started to hear my voice there | 18:00 |
| mfedosin | okay, time is over | 18:00 |
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| mfedosin | thank you for coming! | 18:00 |
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| mfedosin | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 14 18:01:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-03-14-17.31.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-03-14-17.31.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-03-14-17.31.log.html | 18:01 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 14 19:00:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:00 |
| pvaneck | o/ | 19:01 |
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| catherineD | pvaneck: guess only you and I today | 19:05 |
| catherineD | shoudl we wait for a bit? | 19:05 |
| pvaneck | perhaps | 19:05 |
| pvaneck | do you have an agenda link? | 19:06 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-03-14 | 19:06 |
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| alexandrelevine | o/ | 19:07 |
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| catherineD | alexandrelevine: hi ... do you ge the meeting agenda link? | 19:07 |
| alexandrelevine | nope | 19:07 |
| pvaneck | for item #1, still waiting on the final +2. Will bother people about it this week | 19:08 |
| catherineD | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-03-14 | 19:08 |
| alexandrelevine | thank you | 19:08 |
| catherineD | let's start | 19:08 |
| catherineD | #topic Make puppet pull releases from Pypi | 19:08 |
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| catherineD | #link Make puppet pull releases from Pypi https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281737/ | 19:09 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: I guess we need to add our topic to the infra IRC meeting to raise awareness? | 19:09 |
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| pvaneck | will just ask for reviews from infra first | 19:10 |
| catherineD | ok | 19:10 |
| catherineD | moving on | 19:10 |
| catherineD | #topic Vendor user management implementation | 19:11 |
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| catherineD | #link Vendor user management implementation https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285714/ | 19:11 |
| catherineD | with the DefCore feedback so far ... are we ready to move on with this patch? | 19:12 |
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| alexandrelevine | I don't have any objections | 19:13 |
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| catherineD | I believe we need Andrey to submit a new patch ... | 19:14 |
| sslypushenko | Hi, all! o/ | 19:14 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: Hi | 19:14 |
| catherineD | agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-03-14 | 19:14 |
| catherineD | we are on topic 2 | 19:15 |
| sslypushenko | Thx! | 19:15 |
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| alexandrelevine | Andrey is not here. Yes he'll submit a new one | 19:16 |
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| catherineD | alexandrelevine: thx !! | 19:16 |
| catherineD | #topic Vendor registration | 19:16 |
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| catherineD | #link Spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274837/ | 19:16 |
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| catherineD | I believe Andrey has the code already ... | 19:17 |
| catherineD | we will just wait for his patch | 19:18 |
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| catherineD | any other discussion before we move to the next topic? | 19:18 |
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| alexandrelevine | I'm fine with the spec. | 19:19 |
| catherineD | moving on | 19:19 |
| alexandrelevine | I'm not sure if Andrey has all of the code but most probably he does. | 19:19 |
| catherineD | #topic Product registration | 19:19 |
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| catherineD | This is a new spec and I believe we will have a lot of discussion .. | 19:19 |
| catherineD | #link Spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/openstack/refstack,n,z | 19:20 |
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| catherineD | please see the comment about id vs product_id on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292526/1/specs/mitaka/approved/product-registration-api.rst | 19:21 |
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| catherineD | for the REST API to get detail information of a product ... by convention it would be v1/products/{product_id} or we can use v1/products/{id} | 19:22 |
| alexandrelevine | I just replied | 19:23 |
| alexandrelevine | Yes, v1/products/{id} is good | 19:23 |
| catherineD | :-) | 19:23 |
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| sslypushenko | {id} is good enough | 19:24 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: I typed usibg { id} that before seeing your reply :-) | 19:24 |
| alexandrelevine | I know :) | 19:25 |
| catherineD | ok ...we can do that .. | 19:25 |
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| catherineD | will the API user be confused of which id is that? | 19:25 |
| alexandrelevine | No, I don't think so | 19:25 |
| catherineD | or by convension it should be the id of the products | 19:25 |
| catherineD | ok I am good with it | 19:26 |
| alexandrelevine | And in any case it won't be fatal for the API user | 19:26 |
| catherineD | that is all the topics I have in mind for today ... | 19:27 |
| catherineD | #topic Open discussuion | 19:27 |
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| alexandrelevine | I suggest discussing the troubling matter - adding admins to vendors | 19:28 |
| alexandrelevine | I'd like to understand how the UI will be organized. | 19:28 |
| catherineD | ok | 19:28 |
| catherineD | yup let discuss that ... | 19:28 |
| alexandrelevine | And I'm against asking users to enter something like https://openstackid.org/alexandre.levine.1 | 19:28 |
| alexandrelevine | I explained reasons in the mailing list | 19:29 |
| alexandrelevine | (enter it in an input field of a text box I mean) | 19:29 |
| alexandrelevine | As I stated in the doc I see two friendly ways: 1. Choosing from list. 2. Entering email with subsequent showing of user's details and confirmation | 19:30 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: I am thinking of on the UI ... we will have text box to enter emal | 19:30 |
| alexandrelevine | Ok. When email is entered we have to verify that there was no mistake. What do we do for this? | 19:30 |
| alexandrelevine | I'd expect showing user's details - name, login and openstackid at least. | 19:31 |
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| alexandrelevine | openstackid clickable with possibility to go to the page of openstackid. | 19:31 |
| catherineD | once the email is enter ... internal to refstack (without showing to the requester) refstack will get the fullname, openid from the email | 19:31 |
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| catherineD | if there is more than one record returned then return error | 19:32 |
| alexandrelevine | We can't avoid confirmation. Otherwise I'll skip one char in email and I'll add a different person. | 19:32 |
| alexandrelevine | We definitely wouldn't want it. | 19:32 |
| sslypushenko | alexandrelevine: your suggestion No. 2 sounds good | 19:32 |
| alexandrelevine | What is suggestion N2? | 19:33 |
| sslypushenko | 2. Entering email with subsequent | 19:33 |
| alexandrelevine | What info do we show for confirmation? | 19:33 |
| sslypushenko | name and email | 19:33 |
| sslypushenko | as usuall | 19:34 |
| alexandrelevine | And link to openstackid page, I believe? | 19:34 |
| sslypushenko | sure | 19:34 |
| sslypushenko | clickable link on openstackid profile | 19:34 |
| catherineD | that is return full name, email, openstack id | 19:34 |
| alexandrelevine | Ok, cool. How do we achieve getting this info for regular user? By which API call? | 19:34 |
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| alexandrelevine | By saying "for regular user" I mean't both: current admin and the user he's trying to add. | 19:35 |
| alexandrelevine | "meant" | 19:36 |
| sslypushenko | we can introduce some thing like lookup call or add filtering in to list user call | 19:36 |
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| catherineD | the only API we have speced so far is URI: v1/vendors/{vendor_id}/users/{encoded_openid} in https://github.com/openstack/refstack/blob/master/specs/mitaka/approved/vendor-user-management-api.rst | 19:36 |
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| alexandrelevine | We'll definitely have filtering, however, it'll be filtering by email, right? | 19:37 |
| alexandrelevine | returning this particular info | 19:37 |
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| catherineD | Hi rockyg: | 19:38 |
| sslypushenko | we can go call like GET on v1/vendors/{vendor_id}/users with filter by email | 19:38 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Do you agree with sslypushenko's proposal? | 19:39 |
| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: Not {vendor_id} though. v1/users/ with filter by email | 19:39 |
| alexandrelevine | We haven't added nobody yet | 19:39 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: the v1/vendors/{vendor_id}/users only get the users that have already added to the vendor | 19:40 |
| sslypushenko | alexandrelevine: yeap | 19:40 |
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| catherineD | we are discussing about adding vendor... | 19:40 |
| catherineD | adding user to vendor | 19:40 |
| catherineD | can I present my thinking ... I will mark when I am done | 19:40 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: So you agree with v1/users/?email= ? | 19:40 |
| alexandrelevine | perfect, please do. | 19:41 |
| catherineD | If we do not like openid .... we can change to something like POST v1/vendors/{vendors_id}/users/{user_email} | 19:42 |
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| catherineD | once that REST API landed at the API server ... internally at refstack .. refstack will use the email to look up for user record ... | 19:43 |
| catherineD | if more than one record return ... fail the API... | 19:43 |
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| catherineD | if only one record in RefStack .... add the user to vendor | 19:43 |
| catherineD | done | 19:43 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: No won't work. As I said before, I'll enter valid email with one missing char and you'll add wrong admin | 19:44 |
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| alexandrelevine | we need show details and ask for confirmation unless user was selected from list with details. | 19:44 |
| sslypushenko | alexandrelevine: +1 | 19:44 |
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| catherineD | alexandrelevine: I see your point ... | 19:45 |
| pvaneck | catherineD: are you against exposing these user details? | 19:46 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD: alexandrelevine just proposed the workflow which is using by lots od online services | 19:46 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: yea for the reason I stated in the email ... | 19:47 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: So what do you suggest we do? | 19:47 |
| sslypushenko | for example review.openstack.org works the same | 19:47 |
| catherineD | however, if the input is email ... that means that you already have private info from the user .... I guess I am OK with /v1/users/{email} but not v1/users | 19:48 |
| sslypushenko | we can not hide user's openid and we should not | 19:48 |
| sslypushenko | we can not use /v1/users/{email} | 19:48 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: as my response from the email .. refstack does not get info from review.openstack.org | 19:48 |
| sslypushenko | because of REST architecture | 19:48 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: So do I understand that you're or with /v1/users/?filter=email? | 19:49 |
| alexandrelevine | "ok with" | 19:49 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: I do not mean it that fashion just mean that email as input | 19:49 |
| sslypushenko | so, we don't have a point of disagreement here? | 19:50 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: yes I am OK to provide user info in refstack which is currently (fullname (public), email (private), openid (not sure what this is).... if the input is email ... I am ok with it | 19:50 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Great. Now, in terms of security it doesn't help much if we don't return list of all users with those three fields (email, name, openstackid) because I'll be able to find this info by checking various emails | 19:50 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: What I'm saying is that it's the same level of security. So we can avoid complicating things for us and just provide regular users with access to listing other users and the output will contain this 3 fields. | 19:51 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD: I'm supporting alexandrelevine in his opinion here | 19:51 |
| sslypushenko | It has no sense to try to keep security here | 19:52 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko: alexandrelevine: I am not comforatable of voluntee the data that we got (by trust ) fron openstackid.org | 19:53 |
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| sslypushenko | we just manipulating with openid | 19:53 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: We're speaking of security. We agreed that we'll expose this info anyways. | 19:53 |
| sslypushenko | and nothing more | 19:53 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: I don't understand what we gain by prohibiting list call in API without filtering by email. Definitely not security gain | 19:54 |
| sslypushenko | it the way how things work. openid is a shared key and your password is a secret | 19:54 |
| catherineD | if there is any security exposure that means that our proposal of /v1/users/{email} is not good enough | 19:54 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: It is good enough. | 19:55 |
| sslypushenko | +1 | 19:55 |
| sslypushenko | we are not touching user's data | 19:55 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: But it makes senseless prohibiting list call without filtering. | 19:55 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: We'll allow only those 3 fields to be listed. | 19:55 |
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| rockyg | catherineD, we can get someone from the security project to review it. But for now, let's just go with it and ask for a review on the first cycle of the patch. | 19:55 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: And official vendors and foundation admins will get more according to their access rights. | 19:56 |
| catherineD | of the 3 field only email is listed as private info | 19:56 |
| sslypushenko | rockyg: Excellent idea! | 19:56 |
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| catherineD | rockyg: do you have a name? | 19:56 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: So bottomline. My suggestion is to allow listing users to all regular users. | 19:56 |
| sslypushenko | alexandrelevine: I agreed with you | 19:57 |
| rockyg | there are a few names, but we can ask fungi to either do it or provide a name. He's on the team. | 19:57 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: sslypushenko: I am OK if security and DefCore confirm that that is what they want | 19:58 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Let's let them confirm. | 19:58 |
| catherineD | once information is exposed ... you can not get it back | 19:58 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD: Maybe we can ask hogepodge for review? | 19:58 |
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| hogepodge | o/ | 19:58 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: we send the email | 19:58 |
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| fungi | i'm not really a security reviewer, i'm a vulnerability manager | 19:59 |
| alexandrelevine | Guys, if it was such a secret why all of this lists and info is completely exposed during summits publicly? | 19:59 |
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| catherineD | alexandrelevine: the issues is we get this list from somewhere | 20:00 |
| * elmiko see ossp mention | 20:00 | |
| fungi | but the security project does have people who tend to do security-focused audits and design/code reviewing | 20:00 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: What does it mean? | 20:00 |
| catherineD | and we should respect the policy of the source | 20:00 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Those are exactly the same people which participate in summits | 20:00 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Coming with the same reasons | 20:00 |
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| elmiko | pretty ossp would be happy to help with any code-review/audit stuff =) | 20:01 |
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| elmiko | *pretty sure... | 20:01 |
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| catherineD | we need to end this meeting | 20:02 |
| catherineD | #endmeeting | 20:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 14 20:02:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:02 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks catherineD | 20:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-03-14-19.00.html | 20:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-03-14-19.00.txt | 20:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-03-14-19.00.log.html | 20:02 |
| catherineD | let's continue at #refstack | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 14 20:02:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
| fungi | though reading further in scrollback, is the question just whether it's acceptable to make the e-mail addresses of refstack data submitters public knowledge? as long as they know up front that's happening, i don't see why it would be a concern. for example every one of our thousands of developers ahs their e-mail addresses published in git commit messages | 20:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:02 | |
| edtubill | o/ | 20:02 |
| jmckind_ | o/ | 20:02 |
| elmiko | o/ | 20:02 |
| panatl | o/ | 20:02 |
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| kfarr | o/ | 20:02 |
| diazjf | o/ | 20:02 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:03 |
| redrobot | As usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda | 20:03 |
| silos | o/ | 20:03 |
| mp1 | o/ | 20:03 |
| redrobot | Lots of barbicaneers here today! | 20:03 |
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| maxabidi | \o | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #topic Action Items from last meeting | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-03-07-20.00.html | 20:04 |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:04 |
| redrobot | First action item was for me to -2 pending CRs. | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | no progress to report, so I'm punting to next week | 20:04 |
| randallburt | o/ late | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | #action redrobot to -2 pending CRs with a note to resubmit for N and a deadline to mark them as abandoned | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | Looks like rellerreller isn't here | 20:05 |
| redrobot | so we'll punt on his action item as well. | 20:05 |
| redrobot | #action rellerreller to work on fish bowl descriptions | 20:05 |
| redrobot | ok, on to the actual agenda | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | #topic Critical fixes for python-barbicanclient in Mitaka | 20:06 |
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| kfarr | redrobot he is working on the fish bowl descriptions | 20:06 |
| redrobot | kfarr awesome, thanks for the update | 20:06 |
| redrobot | for this topic | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | Doug Hellman is fixin' to create stable branches for mitaka for the clients | 20:07 |
| redrobot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088853.html | 20:07 |
| redrobot | Currently we have a 4.0.0 tag that could be used as the stable branch in Mitaka | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | unless we have critical fixes that need to land for use by other projects in Mitaka | 20:08 |
| redrobot | If we do create the stable branch, then we will have to backport future fixes | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | Questions/comments? Any bugs we absolutely need to fix in a 4.0.X ? | 20:08 |
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| silos | So what does this mean for outstanding patches? Like could we still merge outstanding CR's today cause it looks like some are waiting to be merged. | 20:09 |
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| alee_ | o/ | 20:09 |
| redrobot | silos so, if we want to include those patches in Mitaka, then we need to do another release after they land | 20:10 |
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| silos | ah k. | 20:10 |
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| redrobot | going once ... | 20:12 |
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| redrobot | lots of shy barbicaneers here today ;) | 20:12 |
| elmiko | sorry, no strong barbican opinions from me today ;) | 20:13 |
| redrobot | #topic Design Session topics for Austin Summit | 20:13 |
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| randallburt | silence is consent | 20:13 |
| elmiko | haha, nice | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | Just a reminder that we have an etherpad to track design session topics | 20:13 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-barbican-design-sessions | 20:13 |
| redrobot | Any questions/comments? | 20:14 |
| jmckind_ | good list so far | 20:14 |
| diazjf | redrobot, kfarr, any word on BYOK. I wont be available tomorrow so I was wondering if you can check for me during the security meeting. | 20:14 |
| alee_ | redrobot, how many sessions do we have? | 20:15 |
| redrobot | alee_ they're still sorting that out. I requested 2 fishbowls, 8 Design Sessions, 1 Meetup | 20:15 |
| kfarr | diazjf, redrobot we hope to get the description through internal review soon, hopefully this week | 20:15 |
| redrobot | I'll let y'all know when I hear what the official allocation is | 20:16 |
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| diazjf | kfarr, awesome. I'll be collaborating with you and rellerreller then :) | 20:16 |
| redrobot | any other questions? | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | ok then, movin gon | 20:19 |
| redrobot | *moving on | 20:19 |
| redrobot | #topic Open Discussion | 20:20 |
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| redrobot | that's all I had on the agenda for today. | 20:20 |
| redrobot | Any other topics we should talk about? | 20:20 |
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| redrobot | Pending reviews? | 20:20 |
| redrobot | oh yeah | 20:20 |
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| redrobot | #topic RC1 due this week | 20:20 |
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| redrobot | We fixed some bugs last week during the bugsquash | 20:20 |
| redrobot | I fixed one bug that I'm hoping I can land in the next couple of days | 20:21 |
| redrobot | silos diazjf any other reviews pending form the bugsquash? | 20:21 |
| silos | I have one for alembic. Let me get the link. | 20:22 |
| diazjf | redrobot, yuppo | 20:22 |
| diazjf | all minor | 20:22 |
| silos | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292523/ | 20:22 |
| silos | If it gets merged we can use alembic in the gate :D | 20:22 |
| diazjf | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290765/ | 20:22 |
| diazjf | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/291454/ | 20:22 |
| diazjf | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287523/ | 20:23 |
| diazjf | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284368/ | 20:23 |
| diazjf | are all the bugs I see | 20:23 |
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| diazjf | and silos | 20:23 |
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| redrobot | diazjf silos thanks | 20:23 |
| diazjf | no prob | 20:24 |
| redrobot | core reviewers, please take a look at those | 20:24 |
| silos | np | 20:24 |
| diazjf | redrobot, also do we want to make sure the Barbican API Guide gets published to the site | 20:24 |
| redrobot | diazjf doc publication isn't tied to the release, so we don't need it to release RC1 | 20:24 |
| diazjf | redrobot, gotcha | 20:25 |
| redrobot | any other topics? | 20:26 |
| diazjf | **cricket cricket** | 20:27 |
| silos | diazjf beat me to it. | 20:27 |
| redrobot | ok, seems like we've got ourselves an extra 30 min of workday | 20:27 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 20:27 |
| redrobot | thanks for coming everyone! | 20:27 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:27 |
| diazjf | thank you! | 20:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 14 20:27:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:27 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-03-14-20.02.html | 20:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-03-14-20.02.txt | 20:27 |
| elmiko | thanks redrobot | 20:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-03-14-20.02.log.html | 20:27 |
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| carolbarrett | #startmeeting Product Working Group | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 14 21:00:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carolbarrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| carolbarrett | Hi All - Who's here for the Product WG meeting? | 21:01 |
| ian_ott | o/ | 21:01 |
| leong | o/ | 21:01 |
| vmtyler | Here | 21:01 |
| kei_ | o/ | 21:01 |
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| shamail | hi all | 21:01 |
| vmtyler | o/ | 21:01 |
| cloudon | hi | 21:01 |
| HeidiJoy | Howdy! | 21:01 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello Product team | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett | Great to see everyone managed through the time change! | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | Here's a link to our agenda | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | Let's get started | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Action Item Review | 21:02 |
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| carolbarrett | First let's look at the ARs from last week's meeting | 21:02 |
| pchadwick | o/ | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-03-07-21.01.txt | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | Leong: You have the 1st one.... | 21:03 |
| carolbarrett | It is: Leong send alternate meeting plan to the ML | 21:03 |
| leong | the meeting time? | 21:03 |
| leong | i have sent out the ML , suggesting the following: | 21:03 |
| leong | 1. Continue to meet at existing time at Monday 1300 (pacific), adjusted to 1400 (pacific) after March 13 daylight saving. | 21:03 |
| leong | 2. Set up a biweekly meeting at Tue 1000 (China)/Tue 1100 (Tokyo). (China & Tokyo do not observe DST, so that will be Monday 1900 Pacific) | 21:03 |
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| carolbarrett | Did you get feedback? | 21:04 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Current invite has wrong IRC. Missing -alt | 21:04 |
| leong | only feedback from Carol :-) | 21:04 |
| carolbarrett | LOL | 21:04 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Do not recall seeing doodle on proposed times. | 21:05 |
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| leong | based on the survey response.. 8 prefer to meet at existing time | 21:05 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I recall Europe has time chnage in 2 weeks. | 21:05 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Are we going to hcnage it again??? | 21:05 |
| leong | EU will change at the end of the month | 21:05 |
| leong | last sunday of march | 21:05 |
| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky: we are staying with 2100 UTC | 21:06 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I am OK with that. | 21:06 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | That means in 2 week we will move back on USA time | 21:06 |
| leong | the main target audience for the alternate meeting time is those in APAC region | 21:06 |
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| carolbarrett | Leong: Do we need to do an alternate time too? Or just stay with current meeting time? | 21:06 |
| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky... two weeks later we are still UTC 2100... which is 2pm pacific | 21:07 |
| leong | kei_ are u here? | 21:07 |
| kei_ | leong: I am. | 21:07 |
| leong | what would u think? do you think having an alternative time would be better for your region? | 21:08 |
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| carolbarrett | Kei_: Do you have a preference? | 21:09 |
| carolbarrett | If not, we'll stay with exisiting time til we get a request to change. | 21:09 |
| kei_ | leong: Personally, I'm OK with 2100 UTC, which is 6am in my time zone (JST). | 21:09 |
| leong | or maybe we can run for three months and see how it goes? | 21:10 |
| carolbarrett | Leong: I think that sounds good | 21:10 |
| leong | and send email to ML to invite folks to join the biweekly meeting | 21:10 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Let's run it the way it is till Austin summit and put it on agenda there for the team | 21:10 |
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| leong | till Austin summit is too short to get engagement... | 21:11 |
| leong | i would propose to run for 3 months.. | 21:11 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK | 21:11 |
| leong | starting 28th? | 21:11 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Austin summit just the time whne most folks will be together | 21:11 |
| leong | maybe Kei and I can lead the meeting first... | 21:11 |
| carolbarrett | Leong: Sounds good. | 21:11 |
| leong | Kei_ are you fine to co-lead that meeting with me? | 21:12 |
| kei_ | leong: +1 | 21:12 |
| leong | +1 | 21:12 |
| carolbarrett | #agreed Start bi-weekly alternate time meeting on 3/28 and continue for 3 months then re-evaluate need/effectiveness | 21:12 |
| leong | i will send out to ML and schedule the meeting invitation. | 21:12 |
| carolbarrett | #action carol add revisit of alternate meeting time to agenda in 3 months | 21:12 |
| carolbarrett | OK, let's move to the next one | 21:12 |
| carolbarrett | Shamail: Add info on Cross-Project Team liaison roles and requirements and send email too | 21:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | http://www.openstack.org/assets/tokyo-summit/OpenStack-Roadmap-Mitaka-Update.pptx & http://www.openstack.org/software/roadmap/ do have roadmap. But only a few projects put their views for mitaka and beyond. Not consistent | 21:12 |
| shamail | fI still need to update the wiki with cross-project, the other item is waiting for our initial meeting on user story tracker so that I can figure out scope before making recommendations on repo. | 21:13 |
| carolbarrett | Gotcha | 21:13 |
| shamail | I can take care of that soon, it is on my lower priority list (roadmap was priority atm) | 21:13 |
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| shamail | the repo we can decide on afterwards | 21:13 |
| carolbarrett | OK - we'll carry that action over to the next meeting | 21:13 |
| shamail | thx | 21:13 |
| carolbarrett | #action shamail Add info on Cross-Project Team liaison roles and requirements and send email too | 21:13 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Thanks Shamail. Pete and I need to update roadmap for Austin summit presentation | 21:14 |
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| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: please hold off on that | 21:14 |
| shamail | that session was originally for themes update | 21:14 |
| carolbarrett | kencjohnston has the next one, he sent an email to our ML that he has submitted to the repo and it is scheduled for review in tomorrow's Cross-Project team meeting | 21:14 |
| shamail | there was a separate roadmap session but we will see the outcome | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK | 21:14 |
| shamail | thanks | 21:14 |
| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky: Can you pls hold these things til opens? | 21:15 |
| pchadwick | Arkady_Kanevsky both sessions make sense. | 21:15 |
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| carolbarrett | #action Shamail determine where the repo will be for the tracker tool upstream | 21:15 |
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| carolbarrett | I think that takes care of last week's actions items. | 21:15 |
| carolbarrett | Let's review the ones from the midcycle | 21:16 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG-LON16-MidCycle_Summary | 21:16 |
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| carolbarrett | Shamail: Where are we on getting the User Stories updated for format and moved to proposed? | 21:16 |
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| shamail | We have moved the remaining user stories | 21:16 |
| shamail | brb, posting link to open reviews | 21:17 |
| shamail | Some need +2 and workflow | 21:17 |
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| shamail | others have -1 workflow to stay open for review | 21:17 |
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| shamail | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/openstack-user-stories | 21:17 |
| carolbarrett | Sounds good. I'll take the action to review for +2. | 21:17 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I can review and add +|-1 but not 2. | 21:17 |
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| shamail | Thanks carolbarrett and Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:17 |
| carolbarrett | #action carol review User Stories for +2/+1 needs | 21:17 |
| leong | me too... | 21:18 |
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| carolbarrett | Thanks Arkday_kanevsky | 21:18 |
| shamail | once these are removed from draft, I will submit a patch to remove the draft folder altogether | 21:18 |
| carolbarrett | shamail +1 | 21:18 |
| shamail | thanks to you as well leong ! | 21:18 |
| shamail | side-note: I will update the workflow wiki to include that proposed stories should stay with -1 workflow until review period is over | 21:18 |
| shamail | since that prevents accidental merges. | 21:19 |
| carolbarrett | shamail +1 | 21:19 |
| carolbarrett | RockyG: Is the Stable Branch User Story updated and in Proposed too? | 21:19 |
| carolbarrett | thingee: are you here? | 21:19 |
| rockyg | Not yet. | 21:19 |
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| leong | shamail +1 | 21:19 |
| rockyg | Jeez. My clock is all messed up today | 21:19 |
| rockyg | Sorry. | 21:19 |
| leong | stable branch is in proposed | 21:19 |
| shamail | The current draft of stable release is actually against proposed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276933/ | 21:19 |
| carolbarrett | RockyG: Do you think you can complete that by next week? | 21:20 |
| rockyg | Thanks, leong ! | 21:20 |
| carolbarrett | Never mind...:) | 21:20 |
| shamail | It does have comments from sgordon that need to be addressed though rockyg | 21:20 |
| carolbarrett | Mike Perez has a couple of ARs, but it doesn't look like he's here | 21:20 |
| rockyg | It has lots of comments that need to be addressed. Including mine. I get to test editing in gerritt. | 21:21 |
| carolbarrett | Will follow-up again via email | 21:21 |
| carolbarrett | Let's move along | 21:21 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Helping PTLs set Priorities | 21:21 |
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| carolbarrett | This is a follow-up from last week's meeting, and the comments Krish made regarding Ceilometer | 21:21 |
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| carolbarrett | Krish couldn't make the meeting today, but he and I discussed a possible approach to this... | 21:22 |
| carolbarrett | We could map our top Use Stories priorities to the roadmap covered projects and ask for a session at the cross-project team sessions at the design summit to discuss | 21:23 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | sounds good. | 21:23 |
| shamail | FYI: At this point.. Nova, Glance, Horizon, Murano, Fuel, QA, and Telemetry will all have new PTLs so the topic is also much broader given upcoming changes | 21:23 |
| leong | that's a good idea.. however, we don't have a "top user stories priorities" now apart from rolling-upgrade.. the rest of user-stories are still in review stage | 21:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Thne should we create user stories taht we currently do not have by indivudial projects do, for completeness? | 21:24 |
| rockyg | And Stable will, also. | 21:24 |
| carolbarrett | Leong: Agree. If we want to pursue that direction, we will need to do some work ahead of time | 21:24 |
| pchadwick | Do we need to point the PTLs to the user stories first? | 21:24 |
| rockyg | I suspect Rally will, too. | 21:24 |
| leong | pchadwick +1 | 21:24 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: I envisioned the request to offer assistance as being broader then just our user stories… we could help discuss their priorities that are already documented in the project to help determine customer/market needs. | 21:24 |
| carolbarrett | pchadwick +1 | 21:24 |
| pchadwick | @shamail - I think that would be harder | 21:25 |
| pchadwick | (at least without specific data) | 21:25 |
| rockyg | pchadwick, shamail ++ | 21:25 |
| shamail | agreed, but that is where the Telemetry request came from | 21:25 |
| shamail | it wasnt about our stories, it was about helping them priortize their own specs | 21:25 |
| leong | not sure if we can push for the user-stories (ha_vm, stable, baremetal) prior to Austin Summit | 21:25 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | But also need to map user stories to projects and create blueprints/spec from them | 21:26 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: That's another way we could offer assistance - but I wouldn't want to do that independent of the User Story priorities | 21:26 |
| pchadwick | Shamail +1 | 21:26 |
| rockyg | Facilitate drawing up the priorities in their sessions at the summit | 21:26 |
| shamail | agreed carolbarrett, I was just pointing out that there is another potential thread in this topic | 21:26 |
| pchadwick | I have had a similar discussion with Manila, but in the absence of talking to a specific customer request, it gets hard. | 21:26 |
| carolbarrett | shamail +1 | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Rockyg +1 | 21:26 |
| shamail | agreed pchadwick | 21:26 |
| leong | that's why we need drivers from user-stories, right? | 21:27 |
| carolbarrett | leong +1 | 21:27 |
| shamail | where they algn | 21:27 |
| shamail | but not all will | 21:27 |
| leong | user-stories represent the "customer request" | 21:27 |
| vmtyler | some things are tactical and don't have a user story | 21:27 |
| shamail | ^ | 21:27 |
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| vmtyler | and you don't want to see really basic user stories of "i want to be able to flip this bit" | 21:27 |
| leong | agree vmtyler | 21:27 |
| shamail | I think its both… We need to facilitate discussions on user stories since they are “big rocks” but also discuss their existing “rocks” separately | 21:28 |
| carolbarrett | shamail +1 | 21:28 |
| vmtyler | and align them where we can | 21:28 |
| shamail | vmtyler: +1 | 21:28 |
| carolbarrett | I think identifying the top 3 User Story priorities would be a step on that path | 21:28 |
| vmtyler | and maybe help them de-prioritize some of them | 21:28 |
| carolbarrett | vmtyler +1 | 21:28 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Does PTLs want to review thier roadmap and prioritize them based on our user stories, where we have them? It will also also us to pick up user storiees that maybe missing | 21:28 |
| carolbarrett | one we have our priorities we can decide how to bring them to the community and projects | 21:29 |
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| vmtyler | yes, i think as we learn about their priorities it could drive new user stories based on previously uncaptured ones | 21:29 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | we did prioritized 3 user story for Mitaka. | 21:29 |
| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky: I think we need to revisit priorities - lots of new stories and changes | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | agree. We are prioritixing for Newton now | 21:30 |
| carolbarrett | arkday_kanevsky +1 | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Should review PTL list to see if we need to add some usre stories before prioritixzation? | 21:31 |
| carolbarrett | Are folks interested/willing to spend time prioritizing User Stories as the 1st action on this topic? | 21:31 |
| pchadwick | +1 | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:31 |
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| shamail | I thought we had removed priortization as a part of the workflow in the midcycle | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | we did good job last time. | 21:31 |
| carolbarrett | arkday_Kanevsky: There is always an opportunity for new user stories to flow into the repo. I don't think we need to wait. | 21:31 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: We did for the purpose of gating what goes into the cross-project repo. | 21:32 |
| shamail | got it | 21:32 |
| carolbarrett | I don't know if that meant we would have no concept of priorities in our discussions with PTLs...? | 21:32 |
| carolbarrett | any other thoughts on how we could approach this? | 21:33 |
| shamail | no, we can do that but it’s not a formal thing | 21:33 |
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| shamail | I think we need to do some homework ourselves of what projecst have as exits8ing priority | 21:33 |
| shamail | and then try to align or make a case | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | what is wrong with the process we did last time? | 21:33 |
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| carolbarrett | shamail: I'm concerned that will be a lot of homework, followed by creating new user stories, which won't wrap-up before the Design summit - which seems like our opportunity to influence priorities | 21:35 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | shamail, do we waint for your rep list and then each of them get AI to get priority list per their project? | 21:35 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: +1 | 21:35 |
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| shamail | lets do what we can for now (which is move the ones we already know are important) | 21:36 |
| carolbarrett | Instead, can we identify our top 3, then have CPLs review against project priorities and create a discussion for the Cross-Project team meeting in Austin? | 21:36 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: +1 | 21:36 |
| carolbarrett | shamail +1 | 21:36 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:36 |
| shamail | Should we do this at our next meeting? | 21:37 |
| shamail | since we are on a timeline | 21:37 |
| carolbarrett | Do you think we can do this via IRC or will voice be needed? | 21:37 |
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| shamail | +1 to voice for this topic | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | can we doodle current user stories? | 21:37 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | vote ofr top 3. | 21:37 |
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| carolbarrett | #action carol add user story prioritization to the next team meeting and add a voice line for the discussion | 21:38 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: A discussion might be good so we can understand the reasoning behind our choices | 21:38 |
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| carolbarrett | arkady_Kanevsky: I think that's a good idea. We'll need some pre-work. Will you send out the doodle? | 21:38 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | ok with it. Just want formal record of team vote | 21:38 |
| carolbarrett | We can use the meeting to finalize the results. | 21:39 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | will create one aftre next meetings so people can make their votes after discussion. Give me AR | 21:39 |
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| carolbarrett | Arkday_kanevsky: OK | 21:39 |
| carolbarrett | #action arkady send out doodle of user stories to prioritize after 3/21 team meeting discussion | 21:40 |
| carolbarrett | OK let's move on. | 21:40 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Rolling Upgrades User Story | 21:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rolling Upgrades User Story (Meeting topic: Product Working Group)" | 21:40 | |
| carolbarrett | Kencjohnston isn't able to join this time, now that daylight savings has kicked in...may be an issue for us | 21:41 |
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| carolbarrett | His update was that this User Story is on the cross-project team agenda for tomorrow. | 21:41 |
| carolbarrett | Will other be able to attend? | 21:41 |
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| shamail | I’ll try to join | 21:42 |
| carolbarrett | It is at 2100 UTC | 21:42 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks Shamail | 21:42 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I can only join for second halp 21:30 | 21:42 |
| rockyg | Ill be there | 21:42 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks Arkady_Kanevsky and RockyG | 21:43 |
| carolbarrett | I will try to be there too. | 21:43 |
| carolbarrett | Anything else on rolling upgrades? Leong? | 21:43 |
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| carolbarrett | OK, moving along | 21:44 |
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| carolbarrett | #topic Planning for Austin | 21:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Planning for Austin (Meeting topic: Product Working Group)" | 21:44 | |
| carolbarrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Product_WG_Austin_Planning | 21:44 |
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| carolbarrett | we've started an etherpad for planning for Austin | 21:44 |
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| carolbarrett | Can people go flip to that and add in thoughts on topics and verify time for our working session? | 21:45 |
| carolbarrett | BoF timing is TBD | 21:45 |
| shamail | No time on the BoF yet carolbarrett ? | 21:45 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: not yet | 21:45 |
| carolbarrett | hopefully this week | 21:45 |
| shamail | Alright, the Friday time works for me | 21:45 |
| carolbarrett | Great - Can you +1 it in the etherpad? | 21:46 |
| carolbarrett | Others pls do the same...if it doesn't work, pls -1 it | 21:46 |
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| shamail | sure thing | 21:46 |
| carolbarrett | Thank shamail | 21:46 |
| carolbarrett | Also, pls add your thoughts on topics for any of the 3 items (BoD update, BoF, Working Session) | 21:47 |
| carolbarrett | let's take another 3 mins to add info to the planning etherpad | 21:48 |
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| carolbarrett | OK - Let's move on | 21:50 |
| carolbarrett | I propose we skip discussion on OpenStack Days for this meeting and go to Opens. | 21:50 |
| carolbarrett | because time is ticking... | 21:50 |
| shamail | +1 | 21:50 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Opens | 21:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Opens (Meeting topic: Product Working Group)" | 21:50 | |
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| carolbarrett | Can we get feedback on the Gerrit training and what, if any add'l training needed? | 21:50 |
| shamail | I’m going to discuss with Kenny and see if we can record a video to post to our wiki | 21:51 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Can we add Group presentations for Austin summit for next meeting agenda | 21:52 |
| pchadwick | Arkady_Kanevsky +1 | 21:52 |
| carolbarrett | shamail +1 | 21:52 |
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| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky: Can you pls add that topic to the etherpad? We'll look at all the proposals in ~2 weeks and decide how we want to spend our time | 21:53 |
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| carolbarrett | Ok - Shamail - You had an open on CPLs - do you want to cover that? | 21:53 |
| kei_ | shamail: that'd be really helpful. | 21:53 |
| shamail | Sure | 21:53 |
| shamail | just a reminder, we ahd discussed CPLs doing updates to the team | 21:53 |
| shamail | Should we start those updates? | 21:53 |
| shamail | Any volunteers to go first at one of our upcoming meetings? | 21:54 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Carol, gladly. Do we have Macrh 21 wiki page? | 21:54 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: ill reach out to some people and see if we can get the updates going | 21:54 |
| shamail | that’s all on the topic | 21:54 |
| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky: we have an austin planning etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Product_WG_Austin_Planning. Did I misunderstand your proposal? | 21:54 |
| carolbarrett | shamail +1 | 21:55 |
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| carolbarrett | #action shamail to ping CPLs for volunteers to start providing updates in Product WG team meeting | 21:55 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 on that. I was looking for adding it to agenda. I will add to Austin page | 21:55 |
| carolbarrett | Any other opens? | 21:55 |
| carolbarrett | Is anyone planning to run for TC? | 21:56 |
| shamail | I might run this time | 21:56 |
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| carolbarrett | I'm considering it too | 21:56 |
| rockyg | not likely this time. I still haven't fixed my 'puter for doing the submission | 21:57 |
| shamail | good luck :) | 21:57 |
| carolbarrett | ha-ha | 21:57 |
| carolbarrett | OK - I think that's it for today. | 21:58 |
| shamail | awesome | 21:58 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | have a good day! | 21:58 |
| shamail | have a great day/evening! | 21:58 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks everyone! | 21:58 |
| carolbarrett | you too | 21:58 |
| carolbarrett | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 14 21:58:30 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:58 |
| kei_ | thanks | 21:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-03-14-21.00.html | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-03-14-21.00.txt | 21:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-03-14-21.00.log.html | 21:58 |
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| rockyg | Thanks! | 21:59 |
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