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dprince | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 29 14:00:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dprince. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:00 |
michchap | o/ | 14:01 |
derekh | o/ | 14:01 |
jaosorior | o/ | 14:01 |
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jdob | o/ | 14:01 |
beagles | o/ | 14:01 |
dprince | hi everyone | 14:01 |
pradk | o/ | 14:01 |
adarazs | o/ | 14:01 |
dtantsur | o/ | 14:01 |
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* larsks lurks | 14:01 | |
trown | o/ | 14:01 |
marios | \o | 14:01 |
shardy | o/ | 14:01 |
EmilienM | o/ | 14:01 |
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akrivoka | hello \o | 14:01 |
gfidente | grep o/ | 14:01 |
gfidente | :) | 14:01 |
weshay | o/ | 14:01 |
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rhallisey | hi | 14:01 |
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jrist | o/ | 14:02 |
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dprince | #topic agenda | 14:02 |
*** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:02 | |
dprince | * bugs | 14:02 |
dprince | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:02 |
dprince | * CI | 14:02 |
dprince | * Specs | 14:02 |
dprince | * one off agenda items | 14:02 |
dprince | * open discussion | 14:02 |
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ccamacho | o/ | 14:03 |
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dprince | Looks like we have a one off agenda item to discuss today with regards to quickstart | 14:03 |
florianf | florianf: o/ | 14:03 |
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trown | yep, I put that there | 14:03 |
trown | we can save it for last though | 14:04 |
dprince | trown: cool, we will try to get to it | 14:04 |
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dprince | any other agenda items for this week? | 14:04 |
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sshnaidm | dprince, I'd like to add "tempest run on CI jobs" to CI agenda today | 14:04 |
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rbrady | dprince: tripleo-mistral spec? | 14:05 |
dprince | sshnaidm: okay, lets talk about that in the CI section again | 14:05 |
adarazs | dprince: and I'd like to discuss it once more where to add the IPv6 functionality. | 14:05 |
adarazs | dprince: that can go in the CI part too, if that's fine. | 14:05 |
dprince | rbrady: ack, adarazs ack. We will hit those under Specs and CI | 14:05 |
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dprince | okay, lets go | 14:06 |
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dprince | #topic bugs | 14:06 |
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slagle | this one is killing a lot of HA jobs, https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1562893 | 14:07 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1562893 in tripleo "CI: HA jobs failing regularly with Error: /Stage[main]/Heat::Engine/Service[heat-engine]: Failed to call refresh: Could not restart Service[heat-engine]" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to James Slagle (james-slagle) | 14:07 |
slagle | pretty sure we've had the problem since we merged the patch to use the heat keystone domain | 14:07 |
EmilienM | I confirm, I've seen it lot of times over the last days | 14:07 |
slagle | EmilienM: check out my linked patch from the bz | 14:08 |
EmilienM | slagle: can you remind us the patch please? | 14:08 |
dprince | sshnaidm: revert then? | 14:08 |
EmilienM | ok | 14:08 |
dprince | slagle: ^^^ | 14:08 |
dprince | sorry | 14:08 |
slagle | it passed the HA job once, and i rechecked it to see if it passes again | 14:08 |
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slagle | dprince: possibly, we've already had to revert it once | 14:08 |
pradk | also have seen this regularly .. http://logs.openstack.org/32/252032/33/check-tripleo/gate-tripleo-ci-f22-nonha/c06f6ba/console.html#_2016-03-27_23_23_08_401 | 14:08 |
dprince | slagle: if I recall we had a lot of issue the first time we added a Heat keystone domain, and it was reverted then too | 14:08 |
dprince | slagle: exactly | 14:08 |
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dprince | slagle: that was like months ago though | 14:08 |
slagle | dprince: yes, no one is actually making sure it works | 14:09 |
slagle | just recheck recheck recheck, until you get one pass, then merge | 14:09 |
slagle | so, we could revert, in the meantime, i took a shot at a "fix" | 14:09 |
slagle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298295/ | 14:09 |
dprince | michchap: ^^ that would effect our new keystone profile in puppet-tripleo too | 14:10 |
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shardy | we need a solution tho, as running without the isolated domain is a very insecure setup | 14:10 |
EmilienM | shardy: slagle's solution is secure I think | 14:10 |
michchap | dprince: when are we looking to merge patches that use the profiles? | 14:10 |
dprince | shardy, slagle: I'm fine trying to fix it | 14:10 |
slagle | my patch actually eliminates all of step6 in the manifest | 14:10 |
shardy | Ah yup, that's not a revert :) | 14:10 |
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slagle | although i left the Step6 resource in tht | 14:11 |
dprince | michchap: we've branched for Mitaka, so I think it is fine to merge | 14:11 |
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michchap | dprince: great. I dont' want to be porting piecemeal patches for too long. | 14:11 |
gfidente | slagle on a side note https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298695/ | 14:11 |
EmilienM | slagle: before landing it, we might need to check if it passe consistently | 14:11 |
derekh | iirc, when this was reverted the first time, the problem wasn't the patch, just that it was the first thing to try and actually use services that wen't ready yet | 14:11 |
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dprince | slagle: we are moving keystone stuff here soon http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/puppet-tripleo/tree/manifests/profile/pacemaker/keystone.pp | 14:12 |
slagle | EmilienM: yes, that's why i rechecked it even though it alredy passed all jobs | 14:12 |
dprince | slagle: that already landed and this is passing CI in t-h-t too https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295588/ | 14:12 |
EmilienM | though we might have an orchestration issue, I'll investigate that | 14:12 |
dprince | slagle: so your step change could just go into puppet tripleo instead? | 14:12 |
EmilienM | #action EmilienM to investigate lp#1562893 and find if we can do better orchestration in puppet-heat or THT | 14:13 |
EmilienM | slagle: in the meantime, your patch does the job I think | 14:13 |
slagle | dprince: ok, i'd be fine rebasing on that | 14:13 |
dprince | slagle: we'd have to actually land 3 patches then, but it moves us in a better direction I think in terms of puppet maintenance | 14:13 |
dprince | any other bugs this week? | 14:14 |
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slagle | there is another bug with stack-delete not working when using net-iso: https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1561172 | 14:14 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1561172 in tripleo "Overcloud delete never completes" [Critical,Triaged] | 14:14 |
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slagle | bnemec and I have both hit it | 14:15 |
dprince | slagle: yeah, bummer on the stack delete bug. Do we think that is a heat or heatclient issue? | 14:15 |
slagle | i'm not sure we really know yet | 14:15 |
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slagle | we ought to add an overcloud delete to the end of our ci jobs | 14:15 |
slagle | although that would add yet another 5 minutes :) | 14:16 |
shardy | slagle: I did, then we reverted it because it took to long :( | 14:16 |
derekh | shardy: that not why we reverted it, | 14:16 |
dprince | slagle: yeah, hold that thought. Our job time can't increase I think | 14:16 |
derekh | we reverted it because postci couldn't get logs from the overcloud because we had deleted it | 14:16 |
jaosorior | slagle: I hads stumbled upon that bug, but for some reason now it's not happening in my current deployment | 14:17 |
shardy | derekh: we also started hitting timouts IIRC, but yeah that was another issue | 14:17 |
dprince | derekh: post_postci? | 14:17 |
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shardy | either way, reinstating that coverage would be good if we can figure out a way | 14:17 |
dprince | derekh: seriously though, I don't think we can entertain added it back until we get our job walltime down | 14:17 |
derekh | dprince: you mean pre_postci ? | 14:17 |
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derekh | yup, things are long enough | 14:18 |
dprince | shardy: see the thread on the list about infra not liking our long running job times. This would just make it worse :/ | 14:18 |
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shardy | dprince: sure, but we trade a few mins CI time for hours and hours of developer debugging, when things keep breaking over and over again :( | 14:18 |
shardy | something as fundamental as delete should be tested IMO, but I appreciate we are time constrained | 14:19 |
dprince | shardy: periodic job then? | 14:19 |
shardy | dprince: Yeah that'd be a good start for sure | 14:19 |
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dprince | shardy: or run a parallel job that is much shorter perhaps, many ways to accomplish this coverage I think.... | 14:19 |
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dprince | shardy: perhaps even under the Heat CI test coverage (outside of TripleO) | 14:19 |
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shardy | dprince: delete is already tested in heat CI, but it's possible we're missing some cases TripleO hits | 14:20 |
shardy | in which case we can absolutely add them | 14:20 |
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slagle | yea, and it's only tripleo when using net-iso | 14:20 |
slagle | so it's a complex case | 14:20 |
dprince | shardy: right, perhaps just review those to add more advanced neutron port nested stacks.... | 14:20 |
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shardy | dprince: Yup we can do that when we figure out a heat-ci appropriate reproducer | 14:21 |
dprince | shardy: that is the angle I would persue here I think. Adding CI to the right component would guard TripleO's cases closer to the source | 14:21 |
dprince | shardy: and we could still have a longer running periodic CI job to do it too. | 14:22 |
shardy | +1 | 14:22 |
dprince | okay, any other bugs this week? | 14:22 |
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slagle | i think that's it from me :) | 14:23 |
dprince | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:23 |
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dprince | slagle: mitaka is all set? | 14:23 |
slagle | yes, i cut the branches off master yesterday | 14:23 |
slagle | and we got another pass from rdo mitaka ci last night | 14:24 |
dprince | nice :) | 14:24 |
slagle | i assume it used the branches, but i didn't check | 14:24 |
EmilienM | just an FYI, Puppet OpenStack released Mitaka last night - 8.0.0 is out for us and stable/mitaka is created. We openned the Newton developpment | 14:24 |
trown | nice one | 14:24 |
slagle | i also did releases from master yesterday for the branched projects to bump the major version | 14:24 |
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slagle | i also deployed locally with tripleo.sh, and it was all good, modulo the stack-delete issue | 14:25 |
dprince | cool, any other release things this week then? | 14:25 |
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dtantsur | I assume that "no feature backport" policy is in effect, right? | 14:26 |
dprince | dtantsur: unless it impacts upgrades I think that would be correct | 14:26 |
dtantsur | got it | 14:26 |
shardy | dtantsur: Yes that's what we agreed, bugs only, unless an exception is agreed (e.g upgrades) | 14:26 |
shardy | pradk: You had a question about aodh tho didn't you? | 14:27 |
slagle | i think it would be prudent as well to require a lp bug for backports | 14:27 |
shardy | there was some discussion of allowing an exception for that as it was close to landing last week | 14:27 |
dprince | slagle: +! | 14:27 |
dtantsur | https://review.openstack.org/288417 is giving us some pain, but I'm not sure it's worth an exception | 14:27 |
EmilienM | +1 and limit medium/high/critical bugs only. | 14:27 |
shardy | slagle: thanks for cutting all the branches/releases! :) | 14:27 |
EmilienM | do we have a backport policy? I created one last week for Puppet group https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Puppet/Backport_policy | 14:27 |
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pradk | shardy, yea regarding gnocchi | 14:28 |
pradk | since we cut mitaka, can we agree to make it an exception for backport to get gnocchi into mitaka | 14:28 |
shardy | oh yeah s/aodh/gnocchi | 14:28 |
dprince | EmilienM: we don't have a wiki page but I think there is agreement on what the policy is. We should probably draft a wiki for it though | 14:29 |
shardy | slagle: +1 on bugs | 14:29 |
EmilienM | dprince: documentation would help contributors not familiar with the process | 14:29 |
shardy | I'll look into creating series branches in launchpad, then you can just do "target to series" on the bug | 14:29 |
shardy | the way most other projects do it (currently we don't have LP set up right for this) | 14:29 |
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slagle | shardy: sounds good to me | 14:30 |
dtantsur | shardy, most projects has abandoned lp series | 14:30 |
dtantsur | in favor of tracking things with reno | 14:30 |
dtantsur | not arguing, just FYI :) | 14:30 |
shardy | for now, shall we tag any potential backport-appropriate bugs with "mitaka-backport-potential" ? | 14:30 |
EmilienM | interested, we do both in puppet | 14:30 |
shardy | again, same as other projects | 14:30 |
EmilienM | dtantsur: but reno is only for release notes | 14:31 |
shardy | dtantsur: reno for tracking bug backports? | 14:31 |
shardy | I thought that was just for release notes | 14:31 |
dtantsur | well, that's what people were using launchpad mostly | 14:31 |
dtantsur | * for | 14:31 |
shardy | I've never used launchpad for release notes, it used to be a wiki | 14:31 |
dtantsur | tbh managing lp is annoying, so in ironic world we only use it for bugs | 14:31 |
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shardy | dtantsur: that's all I'm suggesting - report a bug, if it's potentially soemthing we should backport, add the tag | 14:32 |
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dprince | okay, lets move on to CI | 14:32 |
dprince | #topic CI | 14:32 |
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EmilienM | adarazs had one question about IPv6 testing | 14:32 |
dprince | EmilienM: hold on that | 14:32 |
dprince | sshnaidm: you had a tempest question? | 14:33 |
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sshnaidm | dprince, yes, I'd like to talk how can we configure tempest on CI | 14:33 |
dprince | EmilienM: :) | 14:33 |
EmilienM | Puppet OpenStack CI is using puppet-tempest | 14:33 |
sshnaidm | Now I used config_tempest.py file from redhat tempest, that was installed on CI hosts | 14:33 |
EmilienM | config_tempest.py is upstream? | 14:34 |
sshnaidm | EmilienM, nope | 14:34 |
EmilienM | that's bad | 14:34 |
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rhallisey | container job works again ^.^ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288915/ | 14:34 |
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sshnaidm | EmilienM, and as I heard from dmellado he is working on complete refactoring it for upstream, so maybe soon | 14:34 |
rhallisey | :) | 14:34 |
trown | seems like if we have puppet-tempest working for puppet tests, we should use the same thing in tripleo | 14:34 |
dprince | sshnaidm: I think we'd just want smoke tests, similar to what puppet uses probably | 14:35 |
EmilienM | whatever solution: we need to pick an upstream thing. | 14:35 |
sshnaidm | trown, yes, it's one of options | 14:35 |
EmilienM | we do more than smoke, fyi https://github.com/openstack/puppet-openstack-integration/blob/master/run_tests.sh#L132-L143 | 14:35 |
dprince | sshnaidm: but I'd want to hold on that until we get our wall time down. Specifically some of the mirroring, caching work derekh is doing | 14:35 |
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shardy | rhallisey: that's cool - it's really near to the timeout tho by the looks of it.. | 14:35 |
sshnaidm | dprince, actually I ran already tests on live CI, and got some results: http://logs.openstack.org/38/297038/4/check-tripleo/gate-tripleo-ci-f22-upgrades/b7de594/console.html http://logs.openstack.org/38/297038/4/check-tripleo/gate-tripleo-ci-f22-nonha/63cbc53/console.html | 14:36 |
trown | dprince: it could be worth doing sooner, if we keep the time the same as the ping test | 14:36 |
sshnaidm | tempest smoke tests take from20 to 30 minutes, right now | 14:36 |
trown | oh | 14:36 |
derekh | dprince: sshnaidm we can start by tagging the tempest testing on to the end of the periodic test | 14:36 |
EmilienM | sshnaidm: excellent! | 14:36 |
dprince | trown: if the time is the same then yeah. I think it is a significant hit | 14:36 |
dprince | derekh: yep, +1 for periodic tempest | 14:37 |
sshnaidm | cool | 14:37 |
EmilienM | test_network_basic_ops is the most important scenario imho | 14:37 |
weshay | sshnaidm, is that w/ 0 failures, w/ the skip list? | 14:37 |
sshnaidm | EmilienM, and it flaps :( | 14:37 |
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shardy | I don't think tempest can really replace the pingtest entirely | 14:37 |
rhallisey | shardy, ya it is running a bit slower than usual.. | 14:37 |
weshay | shardy, agree | 14:37 |
dprince | sshnaidm: so please do proceed w/ this. It shoulds like periodic job might be the best first place for it to live though | 14:37 |
shardy | e.g there's zero functional coverage of heat in tempest, because we couldn't get our patches in there | 14:38 |
EmilienM | the only blocker I see now is that we use config_tempest.py that is not in openstack/tempest | 14:38 |
sshnaidm | wendar, yes, with skip list: tempest.api.orchestration.stacks tempest.scenario.test_volume_boot_pattern | 14:38 |
weshay | dprince, can we push the config_tempest.py to a tripleo repo? | 14:38 |
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dprince | weshay: sure, probably tripleo-ci if it helps | 14:38 |
EmilienM | well | 14:38 |
bnemec | That is not the right way to upstream that. | 14:38 |
sshnaidm | second question is how do we configure tempest.. puppet is one of the option, and second is to commit configure_tempest script to CI repo | 14:38 |
EmilienM | should not we follow how openstack/tempest does config? | 14:38 |
trown | I don't see what the downside of using puppet-tempest is? | 14:39 |
EmilienM | either puppet-tempest or openstack/tempest upstream tool | 14:39 |
dprince | bnemec: so long as we can (quickly) make changes to it I don't mind where it lives | 14:39 |
EmilienM | bnemec: right | 14:39 |
bnemec | I don't want us to end up maintaing a tempest thing that upstream tempest is not using. | 14:40 |
derekh | Which option is a tripleo/rdo user most likely to use? | 14:40 |
EmilienM | weshay: I don't think that's the best solution, imho | 14:40 |
sshnaidm | trown, configuring tempest with puppet seems to be very complex, maybe because I'm not puppet expert, but configure_tempest.py is much much easier | 14:40 |
weshay | EmilienM, ya.. I'm not suggesting it is.. | 14:40 |
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pradk | shardy, slagle, so could we consider gnocchi as an exception for mitaka? it would be very helpful to get it in and low risk i think as we dont default to gnocchi in ceilometer as discussed with shardy | 14:40 |
EmilienM | I agree with bnemec, we should talk with tempest folks and find a common way to do it | 14:40 |
dprince | I wouldn't use puppet-tempest I think. Honestly I don't even thing Tempest belongs on the undercloud because it can't be called remotely. There is no API to execute it... unless we did something w/ Mistral I guess to exec it that way | 14:41 |
dprince | Tempst is just a test suite that can be called anywhere. It doesn't need to live on an undercloud proper | 14:41 |
weshay | yup | 14:41 |
EmilienM | I don't mind not using puppet-tempest, but I'm against using config_tempest.py which is not upstream but redhat only. | 14:41 |
weshay | it's just convenient | 14:41 |
sshnaidm | dprince, but it should access AUTH_URL of overcloud | 14:42 |
weshay | EmilienM, ya.. I think that is what it boils down to | 14:42 |
dprince | EmilienM: I don't think it'd be redhat only. More of a TripleO config | 14:42 |
bnemec | Where it lives is kind of a big tangent here isn't it? For CI it's going to be on the undercloud because that's where it has to be. | 14:42 |
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EmilienM | dprince: I disagree, tripleo aims to use openstack projects, and tempest is already working on configuration tool | 14:42 |
EmilienM | mtreinish: ^ | 14:42 |
dprince | sshnaidm: sure, but no need to log into the undercloud for that. You can do it that way, but you don't have to | 14:42 |
weshay | EmilienM, are we *sure* the upstream tempest folks are working on something | 14:43 |
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weshay | I've heard that for 3+ years | 14:43 |
derekh | it could also be on the jenkins node | 14:43 |
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bnemec | derekh: Not for net-iso | 14:43 |
EmilienM | weshay: if not, we need to fix it. | 14:43 |
sshnaidm | wendar, EmilienM, as I know dmellado work on this, and it will be in upstream. Somewhen | 14:43 |
derekh | bnemec: ack | 14:43 |
dprince | derekh: exactly | 14:43 |
trown | It seems like there are more than a couple design decisions here... maybe a spec? | 14:43 |
EmilienM | weshay: but I don't like taking the short path and implementing our own stuff | 14:43 |
weshay | I checked yesterday and I heard they were punting on it | 14:44 |
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weshay | EmilienM, aye | 14:44 |
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weshay | lol | 14:44 |
mtreinish | EmilienM: ?? | 14:44 |
sshnaidm | bnemec, :) | 14:44 |
weshay | bnemec +1 | 14:44 |
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adarazs | it's more stable than network_basic_ops for sure... | 14:44 |
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dprince | bnemec: we'd just need to expose the routes, I get your case... and we can run it on the undercloud due to how we setup our environment. But again, this isn't a requirement for everyone. Just a remnant of how our CI works | 14:44 |
weshay | note.. that config_tempest.py is used mid and downstream | 14:45 |
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weshay | and would allow us to compare tempest results and have the faith the config was the same | 14:45 |
weshay | it's just a point.. not saying we should use one or the other really atm.. | 14:45 |
eggmaster | weshay: check again in 3 years ;) | 14:45 |
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weshay | it's important to get *some* tempest results soon though | 14:46 |
sshnaidm | Commiting config_tempest.py to CI may be a temporary solution until the same tool appears upstream | 14:46 |
dprince | weshay: again, I'd be fine for it to live wherever. But if tripleo-ci is a good start then perhaps there first? | 14:46 |
EmilienM | I would like to see a collaboration with Tempest folks | 14:46 |
EmilienM | is there a thread on ML or a patch in Gerrit that we can monitor? | 14:46 |
trown | I would like to see us iterate on this outside of our 1 hour meeting :) | 14:47 |
weshay | dprince, that works for me.. as long as others think it's reasonable | 14:47 |
dprince | time is ticking guys. Perhaps we can table the oppinions on the location of the python script to the list? | 14:47 |
EmilienM | I'm not in favor of accepting some custom tools while there are some upstream dup efforts | 14:47 |
* adarazs thinks tripleo-ci is a good place for it until it's not ready for tempest directly. | 14:47 | |
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saneax | my 2 cents, being able to run upstream tempest, is attractive to installer strategy | 14:47 |
EmilienM | let's move forward and follow-up later. | 14:47 |
dprince | weshay: propose it in a review where you think it belongs. We can debate it there.... | 14:48 |
derekh | lets use whatever RDO is using we'll then be more likely be able to debug each others setups | 14:48 |
shardy | We've not reached consensus re pradk's request for a backport exception - do we take that to the ML so folks can vote and the list of pending patches can be listed? | 14:48 |
weshay | ack | 14:48 |
weshay | thanks | 14:48 |
slagle | we need some +1's on the mitaka periodic job, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298295/ | 14:48 |
trown | shardy: +1 | 14:48 |
shardy | either way there's a couple of remaining patches which need to land on master | 14:48 |
dprince | shardy: sure, sorry if I missed that | 14:48 |
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EmilienM | derekh: well, RDO is not part of OpenStack, while TripleO is, we don't have the same constraints | 14:48 |
adarazs | ipv6 question time? | 14:48 |
bnemec | Regarding the overcloud deletion, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296765/ | 14:48 |
dprince | adarazs: yes. you are up | 14:48 |
adarazs | IPv6 question: currently the upgrades job does "nothing", that is, it doesn't have pacemaker (or actual upgrades). previously we agreed that we'll add the IPv6 netiso to upgrades, but if the job doesn't have pacemaker, we're not testing the more important parts of our code path, and things could break with IPv6 pacemaker. | 14:49 |
adarazs | 1) is it okay if we enable pacemaker for upgrades? (which was planned anyway, I think and is my preference too) or 2) should we use the HA job for IPv6 or 3) not test IPv6 with pacemaker (which seems like a bad idea to me) | 14:49 |
bnemec | That's the periodic job I pushed for it. | 14:49 |
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EmilienM | before having upgrades with pacemaker, I would rather try to have an upgrade scenario working on non-ha, to iterate later. | 14:50 |
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dprince | adarazs: so you are proposing that that upgrades job test IPv6. And by doing so it would cover IPv6 w/ pacemaker because that is what we are doing there anyways? | 14:50 |
EmilienM | to me, iteration would help: first get an upgrade job working without HA, then add HA, and then add IPV6 | 14:50 |
adarazs | dprince: last time we talked that was the end result, that we should use upgrades. :) | 14:51 |
EmilienM | if we try all in one, we'll never finish | 14:51 |
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adarazs | dprince: I'm fine with either, but we should add it to some gate job. | 14:51 |
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dprince | EmilienM: I think upgrades requires pacemaker currently. I agree with your sentament but that isn't what has evolved here :/ | 14:51 |
weshay | matbu, ^ | 14:51 |
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dprince | adarazs: IPv6 for the upgrades job would be fine with me. | 14:52 |
EmilienM | derekh: my poing was tripleo & rdo do not have the same constraints. tripleo by its mission statements aims to consume OpenStack upstream projects, and this thing with tempest is downstream only, which is odd. | 14:52 |
derekh | also relevant here is a patch gfidente proposed to try and document the test matrix we are hoping to converge to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294071/ | 14:52 |
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matbu | EmilienM: I tried upgrade from liberty to mitaka | 14:52 |
dprince | adarazs: we have to get the upgrades job working first though right? | 14:52 |
dprince | adarazs: right now it is only partially testing upgrades I think | 14:53 |
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adarazs | dprince: we currently have an upgrade job that runs without any option as it's not in tripleo-ci. I can add IPv6 option to it first. | 14:53 |
derekh | AIUI gfidente was hoping to have the upgrades job with pacemaker and IPv6 | 14:53 |
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adarazs | dprince: so that we test that at least until upgrades actually land. | 14:53 |
derekh | of course we could add each of them on at a time | 14:53 |
dprince | trown: I'm not sure we are going to get to your quickstart issue man, too much time on CI :/ | 14:53 |
matbu | dprince: i can try to make it works | 14:53 |
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trown | dprince: no worries, I will send to the ML, and we can discuss next week if still needed | 14:53 |
EmilienM | trown: we can follow-up this topic in async on #tripleo | 14:54 |
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dprince | adarazs: sounds fine to me. I think just seeing IPv6 passing somewhere upstream on any CI job is the first step here. | 14:54 |
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EmilienM | dprince: right, and upgrade job is very new,I'm not sure it's a good candidate. | 14:54 |
adarazs | dprince: we had a passing a few days ago with all the different configurations! | 14:54 |
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EmilienM | to me, we should start simple and non-ha or ha would be a good candidate for ipv6 testing. We can iterate later; | 14:55 |
adarazs | dprince: that is with and without pacemaker, with and without ceph. | 14:55 |
EmilienM | does upgrade job performs real upgrade? | 14:55 |
matbu | adarazs: you mean ipv6 ? | 14:55 |
dprince | EmilienM: limited resources. we have to combine some things | 14:55 |
adarazs | EmilienM: nonha doesn't have network isolation or pacemaker currently (but it has SSL which we sholudn't test together with IPv6 for now) | 14:55 |
dprince | EmilienM: I'm not opposed to adding it to nonha though | 14:56 |
gfidente | EmilienM I think the conclusion was that an actual upgrade would take too much to run at gate | 14:56 |
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gfidente | so the upgrade job will update deploying without the patch first and with the patch after | 14:56 |
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EmilienM | that's what we did in our Puppet CI | 14:56 |
dprince | adarazs: could you please email the list on these options? | 14:56 |
EmilienM | and we noticed it was useless | 14:56 |
adarazs | dprince: sure. | 14:56 |
dprince | adarazs: thanks | 14:57 |
dprince | #topic specs | 14:57 |
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EmilienM | we have the exact same job, that were deployment our scenarios without the patch and then applying the patch. | 14:57 |
dprince | rbrady: you wanted ot mention someting about tripleo-mistral? | 14:57 |
EmilienM | we stopped doing that because the feedback of the jobs were mostly useless | 14:57 |
EmilienM | what operators really care is upgrade between openstack releases | 14:57 |
gfidente | EmilienM so that's a vote for deploying from stable branch first and update to master+patch right? | 14:58 |
shardy | EmilienM: minor updates also matter tho, because bugfixes.. | 14:58 |
EmilienM | so yeah, it takes time but we should not skip it imho | 14:58 |
EmilienM | shardy: right, but you and me know that today the biggest issues that we have are in major upgrades. | 14:58 |
dprince | I think rbrady wanted feedback on this: | 14:58 |
dprince | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280407/ | 14:58 |
EmilienM | gfidente: yes | 14:58 |
rbrady | The spec for the tripleo mistral integration has been up for some time now. If there is no further issue, I'd like to see if there is another core willing to review. | 14:58 |
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dprince | rbrady: ack, thanks for bringing it up again | 14:59 |
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shardy | rbrady: sure, I'll provide feedback, been on my todo list | 14:59 |
dprince | almost out of time. trown sorry we didn't get to your item this week | 15:00 |
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dprince | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 29 15:00:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
trown | no problem, I put it on the agenda an hour before | 15:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-03-29-14.00.html | 15:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-03-29-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-03-29-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
trown | thanks for chairing | 15:00 |
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matrohon | hi bgpvpn's guy | 15:02 |
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matrohon | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:03 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 29 15:03:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matrohon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:03 |
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tmorin | hi everyone | 15:03 |
matrohon | hi tmorin pcarver timirnich doude | 15:04 |
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tmorin | wow, did the DST change got everyone lost ? :) | 15:05 |
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tmorin | I think the agenda will be short anyways | 15:06 |
tmorin | I have two topics in mind | 15:06 |
tmorin | 1) work on gate jobs | 15:06 |
tmorin | 2) precommit hooks | 15:07 |
matrohon | unfortunately, vthapar doesn't seem around | 15:07 |
tmorin | and we can also talk about mitaka release | 15:07 |
tmorin | indeed | 15:07 |
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tmorin | let's be quick | 15:07 |
matrohon | to talk about his change | 15:07 |
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matrohon | tmorin, fine | 15:07 |
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matrohon | #topic gate enhancment | 15:07 |
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tmorin | we've worked to allow us to change job settings through bash rc files in net-bgpvpn repo (instead of doing a project-config gerrit change each time) | 15:08 |
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tmorin | it's now done and working | 15:08 |
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tmorin | we've then started to experiment with starting more bagpipe components in the gate | 15:08 |
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tmorin | the agent extension and bagpipe-bgp | 15:09 |
tmorin | not working fully yet, but work is in progress | 15:09 |
tmorin | and we're adding a job specifically to start enabling tempest | 15:09 |
matrohon | #link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258522/ | 15:09 |
tmorin | as soon as a job is working, we'll work to make it a real voting gate job, rather than just experimental | 15:10 |
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tmorin | anything to add ? | 15:10 |
matrohon | not for me | 15:11 |
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matrohon | #topic precommit hooks | 15:11 |
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matrohon | drivers are able to implement precommit methods for router/net_association | 15:12 |
matrohon | this is useful if one driver want to stop an association request | 15:13 |
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matrohon | ODL should take benefit of this change | 15:13 |
tmorin | it is now enabled for bagpipe (reject l2 type and reject specification of route-distinguishers) | 15:13 |
tmorin | odl work is under review | 15:13 |
tmorin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296289/ | 15:13 |
tmorin | anything else ? | 15:14 |
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matrohon | #topic : summit | 15:16 |
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matrohon | I've added the bgpvpn topic to ideas sumitted here : | 15:16 |
matrohon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-summit-ideas | 15:16 |
tmorin | good! | 15:16 |
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tmorin | we also plan to participate in the reflexion around l2 agent flow structuration work | 15:17 |
tmorin | I think we should also try to talk of BGPVPN in relationship with the service chaining framework | 15:17 |
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matrohon | amuller is suggesting to have a round table on friday | 15:17 |
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tmorin | on which of the topics above ? | 15:19 |
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matrohon | on the bgpvpn talk proposal, in etherpad | 15:19 |
tmorin | I see now | 15:19 |
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tmorin | we should maybe detail more the things to discuss and have a meeting earlier than friday | 15:20 |
tmorin | different topics come to mind: | 15:20 |
tmorin | discuss static routes, aggregation | 15:20 |
tmorin | E-VPN (maybe with bgp dyn routing folks ?) | 15:21 |
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matrohon | hi vthapar | 15:22 |
vthapar | matrohon, sorry, was in other meeting that went longer, in fact still in progress. | 15:22 |
matrohon | vthapar, np | 15:23 |
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matrohon | I commented your patch about precommit hooks in the ODL driver | 15:23 |
vthapar | matrohon, saw that. working on changes. | 15:24 |
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tmorin | hi vthapar | 15:24 |
vthapar | hi tmorin | 15:24 |
* vthapar is going through meeting logs to catch up | 15:24 | |
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vthapar | ?? | 15:26 |
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matrohon | vthapar, ^ do you have a comment? | 15:27 |
vthapar | matrohon, looks like I'm having network problems. working on follow up changes to the review as well as adding UTs | 15:28 |
vthapar | having some problems with my dev setup again, proxy issues. | 15:28 |
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matrohon | fine, we're done discussing bgpvpn's topics for today? | 15:29 |
tmorin | it seems so, yes | 15:29 |
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matrohon | ok let's end the meeting | 15:30 |
matrohon | thanks everyone | 15:30 |
matrohon | #endmeeting | 15:30 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 29 15:30:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:30 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-03-29-15.03.html | 15:30 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-03-29-15.03.txt | 15:30 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-03-29-15.03.log.html | 15:30 |
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hongbin | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 29 16:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:00 |
hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-03-29_1600_UTC | 16:00 |
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hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
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muralia | murali allada | 16:00 |
wznoinsk | Waldemar Znoinski | 16:00 |
Tango | Ton Ngo | 16:00 |
coreyob | Corey O'Brien | 16:00 |
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Kennan | o/ | 16:00 |
juggler | o/ | 16:00 |
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strigazi | Spyros Trigazis | 16:00 |
jay-lau-513 | o/ | 16:00 |
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wangqun | o/ | 16:00 |
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juggler | Perry Rivera | 16:01 |
rpothier | o/ | 16:01 |
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adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:01 |
hongbin | Thanks for joining the meeting muralia wznoinsk Tango coreyob Kennan juggler strigazi jay-lau-513 wangqun juggler rpothier adrian_otto | 16:01 |
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hongbin | Let's begin | 16:02 |
hongbin | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
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adrian_otto | may I? | 16:02 |
hongbin | 1) An announcement from Adrian Otto | 16:02 |
hongbin | adrian_otto: pls | 16:02 |
adrian_otto | I'd like to announce that Magnum will have a new PTL for the Newton development cycle. You elected Hongbin for this role. We are transitioning over my duties now. If you have any concerns about Mitaka, you can ask me, and everything else going forward Hongbin will be responsible for. I plan to remain active as a reviewer and continue contributing to Magnum. | 16:02 |
adrian_otto | are there any questions about this? | 16:02 |
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madhuri | o/ | 16:02 |
Tango | Thanks Adrian for leading Magnum in the last 3 cycles. | 16:03 |
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adrian_otto | You're welcome. It has been my pleasure. | 16:03 |
Kennan | Thanks adrian_otto | 16:03 |
muralia | Thank you Adrian for brining us this far. Congrats Hongbin. | 16:04 |
wangqun | Thanks adrian_otto | 16:04 |
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juggler | Thanks adrian_otto | 16:04 |
hongbin | Thanks adrian_otto for your leadership and contribution to the project | 16:04 |
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hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 16:05 |
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hongbin | None | 16:05 |
hongbin | #topic Essential Blueprint/Bug Review | 16:05 |
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hongbin | I suggest to skip this one, since we are in FF | 16:06 |
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hongbin | #topic Plan for design summit topics | 16:06 |
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hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-newton-design-summit-topics Etherpad collaborating topics for Magnum Newton design summit | 16:06 |
hongbin | We are using the etherpad to collaborating the topics we are going to discuss in the design summit | 16:07 |
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hongbin | It will be great if you can put your topics there | 16:07 |
hongbin | We can wait for one week for inputs and revisit the etherpad in the next meeting | 16:08 |
hongbin | Any concern or question for the design summit? | 16:08 |
hongbin | OK. Let proceed to open discussion | 16:09 |
hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 16:09 |
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hongbin | 1. Kuryr team proposed to extend its scope to storage | 16:09 |
hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289993/ The proposed spec | 16:09 |
hongbin | Does it have any impact on the Magnum roadmap? What is our position? | 16:09 |
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Tango | I think it's a good direction, consistent with the networking effort | 16:10 |
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eghobo | hongbin: does it Kuryr moving away from just container to COE support | 16:11 |
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jay-lau-513 | i did not see much how Kuryr will manage storage | 16:11 |
jay-lau-513 | from the spec | 16:11 |
hongbin | eghobo: I am not sure right now | 16:11 |
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thomasem | o/ | 16:11 |
Tango | I was a little surprised about the expanded mission, but if they want to tackle this, it should be fine | 16:11 |
jay-lau-513 | shall we wait some detail for this? BTW: Each COE has its own storage manager and most of them can integrate with different backend | 16:11 |
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eghobo | jay-lau-513: i think they want support plugins for Docker, Kub, etc | 16:12 |
jay-lau-513 | I think that the Kuryr + Storage will not impact magnm much | 16:12 |
hongbin | eghobo: It looks they want to support all the COEs per my understandng | 16:12 |
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jay-lau-513 | magnum can focus on kuryr network part first | 16:12 |
Tango | It's too early at this point, we should stay in touch to see how they approach the problem | 16:13 |
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eghobo | Tango: +1 | 16:13 |
hongbin | OK. It sounds we are OK for their expanded scope | 16:13 |
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Tango | If they take a similar approach to networking, then in the long run, it should simplify things for Magnum | 16:14 |
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eghobo | can we have shared session at summit? | 16:14 |
hongbin | Tango: +1 | 16:14 |
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adrian_otto | Honestly, I think expanding the scope of a project like that is a huge mistake. | 16:14 |
hongbin | eghobo: I can talk to the Kuryr PTL about that | 16:14 |
hongbin | #action hongbin discuss with Kuryr PTL about the shared session idea | 16:15 |
hongbin | adrian_otto: could you elaborate? | 16:15 |
jay-lau-513 | any input? :-) | 16:15 |
eghobo | adrian_otto: +1, maybe they should join magnum instead ;) | 16:16 |
Kennan | Tango: seems they only use docker now, while other COEs would not just relay on docker | 16:16 |
Tango | adrian_otto: It's surprising to me as well | 16:16 |
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Tango | Kennan: for networking? | 16:16 |
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Tango | Kennan: Kube will have its own networking implementation, CNI | 16:17 |
askb | 0/ | 16:17 |
adrian_otto | networking is a huge scope already, with all the complexities of matching the container world with the SDN world | 16:17 |
Kennan | right now, I did not find kuryr fully support kubernetes | 16:17 |
hongbin | adrian_otto: true | 16:18 |
eghobo | just to clarify CNI is not Kub spec | 16:18 |
Tango | eghobo: right | 16:18 |
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hongbin | What I can do for the Kuryr sepc is: | 16:18 |
hongbin | 1. Relay our inputs to the TC/Kuryr | 16:19 |
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hongbin | 2. Vote +1/-1 on their spec | 16:19 |
adrian_otto | my worry is that we rely on Kuryr as a pillar to succeed at integrating Magnum with Neutron. If their focus becomes fractured too wide, they lose effectiveness, and we both fail. | 16:19 |
adrian_otto | my advice would be to master one domain before moving into the next. | 16:20 |
Tango | I heard Kuryr implementation for libnetwork is completed, they are looking to move on to CNI | 16:20 |
adrian_otto | unless the team is so big that it can afford to be split | 16:20 |
hongbin | adrian_otto: ack. I can forward your inputs to the Kuryr team | 16:21 |
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hongbin | OK, any last comments before advancing topic? | 16:21 |
Kennan | Tango: did ou have CNI reference for that ? I did not think docker right now lead network design | 16:22 |
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thomasem | Did Neutron ever get tiered port support? | 16:22 |
thomasem | That was a flaw with Kuryr | 16:22 |
Tango | Kennan: I can follow up with you | 16:22 |
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Kennan | thanks | 16:23 |
hongbin | 2. Enhance Mesos bay to a DCOS bay (Jay Lau) | 16:23 |
hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090437.html Discussion in ML | 16:23 |
hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/mesos-dcos The blueprint | 16:23 |
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hongbin | jay-lau-513: Could you give a quick summarize of your proposal? | 16:24 |
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mvelten | like said by someone pretty sure the dcos cli is closed source and not redistributable | 16:24 |
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eghobo | mvelten: we can use cli it's public https://github.com/mesosphere/dcos-cli/blob/master/LICENSE, but we cannot use dcos | 16:25 |
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hongbin | BTW, I never successfully installed the dcos-cli, it asked me to enter a verification code | 16:26 |
hongbin | which I don't know how to get | 16:26 |
jay-lau-513_ | I was often testing on ubuntu | 16:26 |
jay-lau-513_ | it works well | 16:26 |
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mvelten | anyway chronos for batch jobs would be nice | 16:27 |
eghobo | jay-lau-513_ : where do you want install cli? | 16:28 |
jay-lau-513_ | the current mesos bay actually does not help much as it simply installs a mesos + marathon cluster without any customized configuration | 16:28 |
hongbin | I have no problem for adding chronos to the mesos bay | 16:28 |
jay-lau-513_ | it cannot leverage mesos advanced features | 16:28 |
jay-lau-513_ | eghobo not a must to install dcos cli, perhaps we can update document | 16:28 |
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eghobo | mvelten. hongbin: we can ask marathon to run chronos (one json file for us) | 16:29 |
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jay-lau-513_ | eghobo navigate end user to use dcos cli to operate mesos bay | 16:29 |
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hongbin | eghobo: Then, we don't need to install chronos in Magnum? | 16:29 |
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eghobo | hongbin: we can add it the same way as kube-ui | 16:30 |
jay-lau-513_ | eghobo hongbin why not add chronos to mesos bay? | 16:30 |
Tango | How about using labels to install additional frameworks? | 16:30 |
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mvelten | yep good idea for labels | 16:30 |
wangqun | Tango +1 | 16:31 |
hongbin | +1 for labels | 16:31 |
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Kennan | labels seems make it diffculet for users | 16:31 |
askb | +1 for labels | 16:31 |
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Tango | I am thinking abouot adding kubeand and swarm as well | 16:31 |
Tango | in mesos | 16:31 |
eghobo | jay-lau-513_ : we can, i just don't want any extra packages at master | 16:31 |
Kennan | better with configure files | 16:31 |
jay-lau-513_ | +q to tango | 16:31 |
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Kennan | like magnum bay-create --coe-config-file <filename> | 16:32 |
Kennan | filename contains key,values configruation | 16:32 |
hongbin | jay-lau-513_: I think eghobo suggestion is a good idea | 16:32 |
jay-lau-513_ | to be a basic dcos, it should have both long running and batch job management | 16:32 |
mvelten | and when possible we can leverage marathon to run the additional frameworks | 16:32 |
jay-lau-513_ | mesos and chronos are basic to mesos bay | 16:32 |
adrian_otto | I think mesos+marathon and mesos+chronos should be separate COE drivers, not one. | 16:32 |
wangqun | Kennan: this idea is good. I agree with it more. | 16:32 |
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hongbin | adrian_otto: If that happens, there will be too many bay types... Not sure if it is a good idea | 16:33 |
adrian_otto | I fear that putting too much into a single mesos bay type will make it bloated. | 16:33 |
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Tango | maybe marathon should be an option as well so users can pick and choose? | 16:33 |
adrian_otto | what's wrong with having more bay types? | 16:33 |
jay-lau-513_ | mesos is very flexible, agree to make the mesos bay as configurable but it should have some basci componments | 16:33 |
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eghobo | adrian_otto: not sure about it, people usually have both (marathon and chronos), but you are right about aurora for example | 16:34 |
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mvelten | then you cant easily deploy one cluster for both batch jobs and services | 16:34 |
mvelten | eghobo: +1 | 16:34 |
jay-lau-513_ | adrian_otto there are some use cases that many end users want to use mesos+marathon+chronos in a single cluster | 16:34 |
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adrian_otto | It's probably not a good idea for Magnum to become a configuration mangement tool for COEs. | 16:34 |
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adrian_otto | the point is to make the COE's bay work well with the IaaS. | 16:35 |
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mvelten | in this case we should remove marathon too I think :) | 16:35 |
adrian_otto | jay-lau-513: I see. | 16:35 |
Tango | One of my use case for Mesos does not include Marathon | 16:35 |
jay-lau-513 | mesos is a special bay here, as it can integrate with different frameworks: k8s, swarm, marathon, chronos etc | 16:36 |
adrian_otto | what if drivers could be combined? | 16:36 |
adrian_otto | so you'd have a mesos base driver, and one or more framework drivers? | 16:37 |
Kennan | framework drivers is good one option | 16:37 |
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jay-lau-513 | adrian_otto can you please explain more for drivers? :-) | 16:37 |
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adrian_otto | note that we don't have to support every combination, but we could allow the most popular ones. | 16:38 |
jay-lau-513 | adrian_otto yes | 16:38 |
muralia | +1 | 16:38 |
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adrian_otto | the problem is that if the Bay is too complex, the bay orchestration (heat) templates, the related parameter logic, and the resources needed to express them get much more complex. | 16:38 |
jay-lau-513 | but it is difficult to address the most popular ones,as some combinations are also growing | 16:39 |
adrian_otto | so if we can find a way to simplify each bay into an individual driver, with a sensible method of sharing code between them, then the resulting system should be simpler to maintain and operate. | 16:39 |
hongbin | Yes, I think that should be addressed by the bay driver proposal | 16:40 |
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mvelten | except that you don't communalize the cluster resources with this approach, you will have to run one separated Mesos cluster for each framework : if one doesnt use its resources the other can't take them like in a single mesos | 16:41 |
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hongbin | Yes, the point of mesos is the abiliity to run multiple framework in a single bay | 16:42 |
adrian_otto | you can make your own drivers as a cloud operator | 16:42 |
adrian_otto | so you could spend a little effort to combine a few. | 16:42 |
adrian_otto | when you have lots of combinations, supporting every possible one quickly becomes burdensome | 16:43 |
jay-lau-513 | mvelten, yes, but it depens, if every framwork use a mesos clusgter, then we cannot use the resources sharing policy in mesos | 16:43 |
jay-lau-513 | I will take a look at the driver proposal and to see how we can leverage it | 16:43 |
jay-lau-513 | thanks adrian_otto | 16:43 |
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adrian_otto | but if 90% of Mesos bay users use both chronos and marathon, then those should both be in the default driver. | 16:44 |
adrian_otto | my hunch is that adding more frameworks to a bay is something that could be added to a post-install script that could be user contributed and guided by community documentation. | 16:44 |
hongbin | eghobo: how many users use both chronos and marathon? | 16:44 |
mvelten | jay-lau-513: thats what I meant. adrian_otto: fine for me, I am still not in the pluggable COE driver mode ;) | 16:45 |
jay-lau-513 | hongbin I think this is what mesosphere doing now, a basic dcos cluster should have long running service and batch job management | 16:45 |
jay-lau-513 | mvelten ok, i c | 16:46 |
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hongbin | OK, I think we can discuss this topic further in the next meeting | 16:46 |
hongbin | Let's discuss other topics for now | 16:46 |
mvelten | agreed. batch jobs wer missing in Kubernetes, they added a Job API in v1.1 because of demand | 16:46 |
hongbin | 3. Enable Mesos Bay export more slave flags (Jay Lau) | 16:46 |
hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/mesos-slave-flags The blueprint | 16:46 |
jay-lau-513 | sure, tango also raised a good question of mesos+swarm and mesos+kubernetes | 16:46 |
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jay-lau-513 | ok, we can take a look at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/mesos-slave-flags | 16:47 |
jay-lau-513 | the reason that I raised this bp is because mesos is now adding some excitig features, such as CNI support, docker volume driver support etc | 16:47 |
jay-lau-513 | those features are managed by mesos agent flags | 16:48 |
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jay-lau-513 | but the mesos bay donot enable end user customized the agent flags and the end uesr can not leverage those new features | 16:48 |
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jay-lau-513 | so I propose that we expose more flags to end user so as to customized the mesos bay | 16:49 |
hongbin | I think adrian_otto raised a concern about supporting too many flags | 16:49 |
hongbin | jay-lau-513: possibly we cannot support all of them | 16:49 |
jay-lau-513 | but we need to consider how to enable end user to customize the mesos bay | 16:49 |
hongbin | jay-lau-513: maybe we can add support for some if it is important | 16:49 |
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jay-lau-513 | Yes, I listed some key parameters in bp | 16:50 |
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jay-lau-513 | about 7 parameteres | 16:50 |
Tango | It should be ok to add more options. We were only discussing how to organize and present to the users | 16:50 |
Tango | not limiting options | 16:50 |
wangqun | Tango: +1 | 16:50 |
jay-lau-513 | Tango yes | 16:51 |
adrian_otto | This might be a good application for labels on a BayModel resource. | 16:51 |
wangqun | We can create a file and add the configfile <> to bay or baymodel. | 16:51 |
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jay-lau-513 | adrian_otto yes, wangqun and kennan did some investigation for this | 16:51 |
adrian_otto | so you could allow an arbitrary set of known parameters through | 16:51 |
mvelten | why not just add a EXTRA_OPTIONS or something like that that would be added at the end of the mesos command line in the systemd unit ? | 16:52 |
wangqun | I think the label parameters is so many. It's easy to be used by users. | 16:52 |
adrian_otto | mvelten: yes, tha's what I just said | 16:52 |
jay-lau-513 | so seems we all agree to use labels | 16:52 |
adrian_otto | I think that's a sensible place to start | 16:52 |
mvelten | yep sorry it is going to fast :) | 16:53 |
adrian_otto | and if we learn that everyone is using a particular set of labels, then we can pull those into driver params | 16:53 |
hongbin | OK, let's rediscuss the mesos topic later | 16:53 |
jay-lau-513 | that's also the bp's target for now, cool | 16:53 |
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hongbin | 4. Support remote insecure private registry (Eli Qiao) | 16:53 |
hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/support-private-registry The blueprint | 16:53 |
hongbin | eliqiao_: you there? | 16:53 |
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jay-lau-513 | hongbin I think that this bp we reached agreement to use labels | 16:53 |
hongbin | jay-lau-513: ack | 16:54 |
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hongbin | jay-lau-513: From me, I need more times to look into each options you listed | 16:54 |
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Kennan | jay-lau-513: hongbin: I think it needs more check about what it impacts to heat templates structure and itnerface | 16:55 |
jay-lau-513 | hongbin sure, I also append some links there, you can take a look, the mesos has a special feature: it does not depend on docker daemon but can also enable end user use docker containers | 16:55 |
adrian_otto | I looked into this. The option Eli is proposing we enable allows a secure docker to use a registry that has an unverifiable SSL cert, or just uses HTTP transport. | 16:56 |
Kennan | so labels is just one opition | 16:56 |
Kennan | not means it is best now | 16:56 |
hongbin | adrian_otto: Not clear from me | 16:56 |
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adrian_otto | considering that insecure is in the name of the option, it's really easy to document this as "user beware". | 16:56 |
hongbin | Since Eli is not here, let's table this discussion | 16:57 |
hongbin | I will start a ML to discuss that | 16:57 |
adrian_otto | #link http://wanderingquandaries.blogspot.com/2014/11/setting-up-insecure-docker-registry.html Setting up an Insecure Docker Registry | 16:57 |
Kennan | it seems it is for private registry use | 16:58 |
adrian_otto | that may help explain the docker reature in question | 16:58 |
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adrian_otto | *feature | 16:58 |
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Kennan | while not use TLS for private registry | 16:58 |
hongbin | We have 3 minutes left | 16:58 |
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hongbin | 5. Progress on Atomic images using diskimage-builder | 16:59 |
hongbin | This is the last one | 16:59 |
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adrian_otto | time up | 17:00 |
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hongbin | All, thanks for joining the meeting. Let's wrap up. Overflow on the container channel | 17:00 |
hongbin | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-03-29-16.00.html | 17:00 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #startmeeting murano | 17:07 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 29 17:07:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:07 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:07 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:07 |
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Nikolay_St | hop hei | 17:07 |
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ativelkov | o/ | 17:07 |
tlashchova_ | o/ | 17:07 |
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ddovbii | hi | 17:07 |
kzaitsev_mb | hi all =) | 17:07 |
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carolbarrett | o/ | 17:07 |
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kzaitsev_mb | our agenda is usually avilable at | 17:07 |
kzaitsev_mb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda | 17:07 |
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kzaitsev_mb | *as usual =) | 17:07 |
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StanLagun | o/ | 17:07 |
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askb | \0 | 17:07 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #topic Status Updates | 17:07 |
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freerunner | o/ | 17:07 |
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kzaitsev_mb | We have a bunch of updates in stable/mitaka + translations in dashboard | 17:07 |
kzaitsev_mb | so we're going to release RC2 later this week | 17:07 |
kzaitsev_mb | probably around Thursday | 17:07 |
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kzaitsev_mb | we aslo have a couple of bugs, to fix that I'd really like to fix in time for M release | 17:07 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/1548857 | 17:07 |
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kzaitsev_mb | this one with the upgrading of packages by default | 17:07 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/1562804 | 17:07 |
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kzaitsev_mb | and this one | 17:07 |
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kzaitsev_mb | all the updates I have for now =) | 17:07 |
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openstack | Launchpad bug 1548857 in Murano "Unable to deploy apps on debian image due to dpkg/lock" [High,In progress] - Assigned to omar (oshykhkerimov) | 17:07 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1562804 in Murano "[engine] destroy method not called for objects removed by actions" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Stan Lagun (slagun) | 17:07 |
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Nikolay_St | wow-wow | 17:07 |
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kzaitsev_mb | RC2 is probably Thursday, Mitaka release is next week | 17:08 |
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kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St: I'm not the only one seeing this, right? | 17:08 |
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freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: Right | 17:08 |
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kzaitsev_mb | ok =) no more updates from my side | 17:10 |
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Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: sure | 17:11 |
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kzaitsev_mb | let's move on then =) | 17:11 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #topic Summit agenda | 17:11 |
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kzaitsev_mb | this is just a very short reminder to look at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-austin-newton-agenda | 17:11 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-austin-newton-agenda | 17:12 |
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kzaitsev_mb | if you have ideas for topics to dicuss on the summit — please don't hesitate to add them to the etherpad =) | 17:12 |
kzaitsev_mb | if no one does — we'll have to discuss what I see fit =P | 17:13 |
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kzaitsev_mb | I don't expect you guys to do it now, just pls remember that we have this etherpad | 17:13 |
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Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: ok | 17:14 |
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Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: can't write something just now | 17:14 |
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kzaitsev_mb | let's move to the open discussion then | 17:15 |
kzaitsev_mb | #topic Open Discussion | 17:15 |
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kzaitsev_mb | carolbarrett: hi there! | 17:15 |
carolbarrett | Hi | 17:15 |
carolbarrett | Thanks for the time | 17:15 |
kzaitsev_mb | you've added this topic about the roadmap ) | 17:15 |
kzaitsev_mb | can you please elaborate? | 17:15 |
carolbarrett | Yes, I’m with the Product WG. We work with the Foundation to create a Community Roadmap to communicate direction for Project development over the upcoming releases. The target audience for this is our Community, Ecosystem, Current/Future Operators and Press/Analyst. | 17:15 |
carolbarrett | We published the first roadmap in Vancouver and have been providing qtrly updates since. | 17:15 |
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carolbarrett | We are finalizing the Roadmap for Mitaka and to be presented and released in Austin | 17:16 |
carolbarrett | I want to work with this team to include Murano updates in this package. | 17:16 |
carolbarrett | Here's a link to my draft: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1pJSx1jQ6X3CKcjGtBYRC2vmXJv2_gOf3v2ujGGPlMRA/edit?usp=sharing | 17:16 |
kzaitsev_mb | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1pJSx1jQ6X3CKcjGtBYRC2vmXJv2_gOf3v2ujGGPlMRA/edit?usp=sharing | 17:16 |
carolbarrett | You will see it needs help. :) | 17:16 |
kzaitsev_mb | for the record | 17:16 |
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kzaitsev_mb | I believe you took it from our dashboard release-notes, right? =) | 17:17 |
carolbarrett | Here's a link to one we created for Sahara as an example | 17:17 |
carolbarrett | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1-iGE2LJRs7X5KXABuWOzbekQbQI0JT27QTK7A_RGZkw/edit?usp=sharing | 17:17 |
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carolbarrett | kzaitsev: I took the info from your release notes as well as looking at your blueprints | 17:17 |
carolbarrett | What I am interested in better understanding is the priority features/capabilities for Newton and Ocata | 17:18 |
kzaitsev_mb | carolbarrett: how can I help you improve it? =) | 17:18 |
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carolbarrett | kzaitsev_mb: I'd like help in identifying what activities from Mitaka will continue in Newton and Ocata | 17:19 |
kzaitsev_mb | cause your Mitaka priorities only include dashboard improvements and we have a lot of improvements in murano itself =) | 17:19 |
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carolbarrett | kzaitsev_mb: Glad to hear it! Can you point me to a location where I can get that info? | 17:19 |
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carolbarrett | Or can we setup a phone call to discuss? | 17:19 |
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kzaitsev_mb | carolbarrett: http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/murano/mitaka.html | 17:20 |
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kzaitsev_mb | carolbarrett: I believe we can if you want ) a hangout probably | 17:21 |
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Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: carolbarrett I want to participate :) | 17:21 |
kzaitsev_mb | I think Serg wanted to answer your letter | 17:21 |
carolbarrett | kzaitsev_mb: Thanks - Can you help me identify the most significant for Mitaka? What will continue into Newton/Ocata and what would be the Ocata priorities. | 17:22 |
kzaitsev_mb | sergmeli_: Serg is that you? =) | 17:22 |
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sergmeli_ | carolbarrett: yep ) | 17:22 |
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sergmeli_ | carolbarrett: sure, we can setup a call on this week regarding that, when it will be convenient for you? | 17:23 |
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carolbarrett | sergmeli: I'm on the West Coast, I could meet at 8:00 AM or Noon or 1:00. Any of those work for you? | 17:23 |
carolbarrett | Friday that is... :) | 17:24 |
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kzaitsev_mb | carolbarrett: it would be a lot more convinient for you to set up a meeting with serg, because you're in adjastent time zones (and I'm in Moscow time zone =)) | 17:25 |
carolbarrett | kzaitsev_mb: That's fine with me. If you do want to participate, we could find a time that works for you too. | 17:26 |
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kzaitsev_mb | carolbarrett: let's think on a way to continue this discussion. | 17:27 |
kzaitsev_mb | carolbarrett: let's keep in touch via mail probably? | 17:27 |
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carolbarrett | kzaitsev_mb: Sure. Once I meet with Serg, I'll post an update and send out a link to this group. I can also come into the next meeting to review. My deadline is next week. | 17:28 |
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kzaitsev_mb | carolbarrett: ok, cool. let's keep in touch =) | 17:29 |
carolbarrett | sergmeli_: Can we find a time Friday or Monday to update the draft? | 17:29 |
Guest90820 | http://cur.lv/wo54f | 17:29 |
kzaitsev_mb | if serg is busy — pls ping me on IRC =) I'm available on IRC most of the time ) | 17:29 |
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sergmeli_ | carolbarrett: Monday works for me %) | 17:30 |
carolbarrett | OK | 17:30 |
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carolbarrett | sergmeli_: I'll send you an email with times to see what works for you. | 17:30 |
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sergmeli_ | Thank you! | 17:30 |
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carolbarrett | Thanks for the discussion! | 17:31 |
kzaitsev_mb | Does anyone have anything else up for discussion? =) | 17:31 |
kzaitsev_mb | oh I remember one thing — last time we agreed to have bi-weekly meetings for stable branch bug triaging. | 17:32 |
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kzaitsev_mb | I suggest that we do this starting next week =) | 17:32 |
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kzaitsev_mb | so a gentle reminder for everyone (and since we're anyway in the walking through bugs this time it should be easy) | 17:33 |
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kzaitsev_mb | Please see if there are any bugs, that would qualify for being backported to liberty and kilo | 17:34 |
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kzaitsev_mb | ok. I'm going to wait another maybe 5 mins and end the meeting early if no one comes up with any more topics to discuss | 17:36 |
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kzaitsev_mb | thanks everyone for attending today =) | 17:41 |
kzaitsev_mb | let's save 20mins of our lives =) and see you in #murano | 17:41 |
kzaitsev_mb | #endmeeting | 17:41 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 29 17:41:33 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:41 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-03-29-17.07.html | 17:41 |
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openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-03-29-17.07.txt | 17:41 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-03-29-17.07.log.html | 17:41 |
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