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dprince#startmeeting tripleo14:00
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openstackMeeting started Tue Mar 29 14:00:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dprince. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tripleo'14:00
michchapo/14:01
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dprincehi everyone14:01
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* larsks lurks14:01
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akrivokahello \o14:01
gfidentegrep o/14:01
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dprince#topic agenda14:02
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dprince* bugs14:02
dprince* Projects releases or stable backports14:02
dprince* CI14:02
dprince* Specs14:02
dprince* one off agenda items14:02
dprince* open discussion14:02
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dprinceLooks like we have a one off agenda item to discuss today with regards to quickstart14:03
florianfflorianf: o/14:03
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trownyep, I put that there14:03
trownwe can save it for last though14:04
dprincetrown: cool, we will try to get to it14:04
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dprinceany other agenda items for this week?14:04
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sshnaidmdprince, I'd like to add "tempest run on CI jobs" to CI agenda today14:04
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rbradydprince: tripleo-mistral spec?14:05
dprincesshnaidm: okay, lets talk about that in the CI section again14:05
adarazsdprince: and I'd like to discuss it once more where to add the IPv6 functionality.14:05
adarazsdprince: that can go in the CI part too, if that's fine.14:05
dprincerbrady: ack, adarazs ack. We will hit those under Specs and CI14:05
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dprinceokay, lets go14:06
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dprince#topic bugs14:06
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slaglethis one is killing a lot of HA jobs, https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/156289314:07
openstackLaunchpad bug 1562893 in tripleo "CI: HA jobs failing regularly with Error: /Stage[main]/Heat::Engine/Service[heat-engine]: Failed to call refresh: Could not restart Service[heat-engine]" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to James Slagle (james-slagle)14:07
slaglepretty sure we've had the problem since we merged the patch to use the heat keystone domain14:07
EmilienMI confirm, I've seen it lot of times over the last days14:07
slagleEmilienM: check out my linked patch from the bz14:08
EmilienMslagle: can you remind us the patch please?14:08
dprincesshnaidm: revert then?14:08
EmilienMok14:08
dprinceslagle: ^^^14:08
dprincesorry14:08
slagleit passed the HA job once, and i rechecked it to see if it passes again14:08
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slagledprince: possibly, we've already had to revert it once14:08
pradkalso have seen this regularly .. http://logs.openstack.org/32/252032/33/check-tripleo/gate-tripleo-ci-f22-nonha/c06f6ba/console.html#_2016-03-27_23_23_08_40114:08
dprinceslagle: if I recall we had a lot of issue the first time we added a Heat keystone domain, and it was reverted then too14:08
dprinceslagle: exactly14:08
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dprinceslagle: that was like months ago though14:08
slagledprince: yes, no one is actually making sure it works14:09
slaglejust recheck recheck recheck, until you get one pass, then merge14:09
slagleso, we could revert, in the meantime, i took a shot at a "fix"14:09
slaglehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/298295/14:09
dprincemichchap: ^^ that would effect our new keystone profile in puppet-tripleo too14:10
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shardywe need a solution tho, as running without the isolated domain is a very insecure setup14:10
EmilienMshardy: slagle's solution is secure I think14:10
michchapdprince: when are we looking to merge patches that use the profiles?14:10
dprinceshardy, slagle: I'm fine trying to fix it14:10
slaglemy patch actually eliminates all of step6 in the manifest14:10
shardyAh yup, that's not a revert :)14:10
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slaglealthough i left the Step6 resource in tht14:11
dprincemichchap: we've branched for Mitaka, so I think it is fine to merge14:11
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michchapdprince: great. I dont' want to be porting piecemeal patches for too long.14:11
gfidenteslagle on a side note https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298695/14:11
EmilienMslagle: before landing it, we might need to check if it passe consistently14:11
derekhiirc, when this was reverted the first time, the problem wasn't the patch, just that it was the first thing to try and actually use services that wen't ready yet14:11
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dprinceslagle: we are moving keystone stuff here soon http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/puppet-tripleo/tree/manifests/profile/pacemaker/keystone.pp14:12
slagleEmilienM: yes, that's why i rechecked it even though it alredy passed all jobs14:12
dprinceslagle: that already landed and this is passing CI in t-h-t too https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295588/14:12
EmilienMthough we might have an orchestration issue, I'll investigate that14:12
dprinceslagle: so your step change could just go into puppet tripleo instead?14:12
EmilienM#action EmilienM to investigate lp#1562893 and find if we can do better orchestration in puppet-heat or THT14:13
EmilienMslagle: in the meantime, your patch does the job I think14:13
slagledprince: ok, i'd be fine rebasing on that14:13
dprinceslagle: we'd have to actually land 3 patches then, but it moves us in a better direction I think in terms of puppet maintenance14:13
dprinceany other bugs this week?14:14
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slaglethere is another bug with stack-delete not working when using net-iso: https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/156117214:14
openstackLaunchpad bug 1561172 in tripleo "Overcloud delete never completes" [Critical,Triaged]14:14
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slaglebnemec and I have both hit it14:15
dprinceslagle: yeah, bummer on the stack delete bug. Do we think that is a heat or heatclient issue?14:15
slaglei'm not sure we really know yet14:15
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slaglewe ought to add an overcloud delete to the end of our ci jobs14:15
slaglealthough that would add yet another 5 minutes :)14:16
shardyslagle: I did, then we reverted it because it took to long :(14:16
derekhshardy: that not why we reverted it,14:16
dprinceslagle: yeah, hold that thought. Our job time can't increase I think14:16
derekhwe reverted it because postci couldn't get logs from the overcloud because we had deleted it14:16
jaosoriorslagle: I hads stumbled upon that bug, but for some reason now it's not happening in my current deployment14:17
shardyderekh: we also started hitting timouts IIRC, but yeah that was another issue14:17
dprincederekh: post_postci?14:17
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shardyeither way, reinstating that coverage would be good if we can figure out a way14:17
dprincederekh: seriously though, I don't think we can entertain added it back until we get our job walltime down14:17
derekhdprince: you mean pre_postci ?14:17
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derekhyup, things are long enough14:18
dprinceshardy: see the thread on the list about infra not liking our long running job times. This would just make it worse :/14:18
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shardydprince: sure, but we trade a few mins CI time for hours and hours of developer debugging, when things keep breaking over and over again :(14:18
shardysomething as fundamental as delete should be tested IMO, but I appreciate we are time constrained14:19
dprinceshardy: periodic job then?14:19
shardydprince: Yeah that'd be a good start for sure14:19
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dprinceshardy: or run a parallel job that is much shorter perhaps, many ways to accomplish this coverage I think....14:19
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dprinceshardy: perhaps even under the Heat CI test coverage (outside of TripleO)14:19
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shardydprince: delete is already tested in heat CI, but it's possible we're missing some cases TripleO hits14:20
shardyin which case we can absolutely add them14:20
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slagleyea, and it's only tripleo when using net-iso14:20
slagleso it's a complex case14:20
dprinceshardy: right, perhaps just review those to add more advanced neutron port nested stacks....14:20
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shardydprince: Yup we can do that when we figure out a heat-ci appropriate reproducer14:21
dprinceshardy: that is the angle I would persue here I think. Adding CI to the right component would guard TripleO's cases closer to the source14:21
dprinceshardy: and we could still have a longer running periodic CI job to do it too.14:22
shardy+114:22
dprinceokay, any other bugs this week?14:22
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slaglei think that's it from me :)14:23
dprince#topic Projects releases or stable backports14:23
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dprinceslagle: mitaka is all set?14:23
slagleyes, i cut the branches off master yesterday14:23
slagleand we got another pass from rdo mitaka ci last night14:24
dprincenice :)14:24
slaglei assume it used the branches, but i didn't check14:24
EmilienMjust an FYI, Puppet OpenStack released Mitaka last night - 8.0.0 is out for us and stable/mitaka is created. We openned the Newton developpment14:24
trownnice one14:24
slaglei also did releases from master yesterday for the branched projects to bump the major version14:24
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slaglei also deployed locally with tripleo.sh, and it was all good, modulo the stack-delete issue14:25
dprincecool, any other release things this week then?14:25
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dtantsurI assume that "no feature backport" policy is in effect, right?14:26
dprincedtantsur: unless it impacts upgrades I think that would be correct14:26
dtantsurgot it14:26
shardydtantsur: Yes that's what we agreed, bugs only, unless an exception is agreed (e.g upgrades)14:26
shardypradk: You had a question about aodh tho didn't you?14:27
slaglei think it would be prudent as well to require a lp bug for backports14:27
shardythere was some discussion of allowing an exception for that as it was close to landing last week14:27
dprinceslagle: +!14:27
dtantsurhttps://review.openstack.org/288417 is giving us some pain, but I'm not sure it's worth an exception14:27
EmilienM+1 and limit medium/high/critical bugs only.14:27
shardyslagle: thanks for cutting all the branches/releases! :)14:27
EmilienMdo we have a backport policy? I created one last week for Puppet group https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Puppet/Backport_policy14:27
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pradkshardy, yea regarding gnocchi14:28
pradksince we cut mitaka, can we agree to make it an exception for backport to get gnocchi into mitaka14:28
shardyoh yeah s/aodh/gnocchi14:28
dprinceEmilienM: we don't have a wiki page but I think there is agreement on what the policy is. We should probably draft a wiki for it though14:29
shardyslagle: +1 on bugs14:29
EmilienMdprince: documentation would help contributors not familiar with the process14:29
shardyI'll look into creating series branches in launchpad, then you can just do "target to series" on the bug14:29
shardythe way most other projects do it (currently we don't have LP set up right for this)14:29
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slagleshardy: sounds good to me14:30
dtantsurshardy, most projects has abandoned lp series14:30
dtantsurin favor of tracking things with reno14:30
dtantsurnot arguing, just FYI :)14:30
shardyfor now, shall we tag any potential backport-appropriate bugs with "mitaka-backport-potential" ?14:30
EmilienMinterested, we do both in puppet14:30
shardyagain, same as other projects14:30
EmilienMdtantsur: but reno is only for release notes14:31
shardydtantsur: reno for tracking bug backports?14:31
shardyI thought that was just for release notes14:31
dtantsurwell, that's what people were using launchpad mostly14:31
dtantsur* for14:31
shardyI've never used launchpad for release notes, it used to be a wiki14:31
dtantsurtbh managing lp is annoying, so in ironic world we only use it for bugs14:31
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shardydtantsur: that's all I'm suggesting - report a bug, if it's potentially soemthing we should backport, add the tag14:32
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dprinceokay, lets move on to CI14:32
dprince#topic CI14:32
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EmilienMadarazs had one question about IPv6 testing14:32
dprinceEmilienM: hold on that14:32
dprincesshnaidm: you had a tempest question?14:33
* EmilienM stop moving14:33
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sshnaidmdprince, yes, I'd like to talk how can we configure tempest on CI14:33
dprinceEmilienM: :)14:33
EmilienMPuppet OpenStack CI is using puppet-tempest14:33
sshnaidmNow I used config_tempest.py file from redhat tempest, that was installed on CI hosts14:33
EmilienMconfig_tempest.py is upstream?14:34
sshnaidmEmilienM, nope14:34
EmilienMthat's bad14:34
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rhalliseycontainer job works again ^.^ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288915/14:34
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sshnaidmEmilienM, and as I heard from dmellado he is working on complete refactoring it for upstream, so maybe soon14:34
rhallisey:)14:34
trownseems like if we have puppet-tempest working for puppet tests, we should use the same thing in tripleo14:34
dprincesshnaidm: I think we'd just want smoke tests, similar to what puppet uses probably14:35
EmilienMwhatever solution: we need to pick an upstream thing.14:35
sshnaidmtrown, yes, it's one of options14:35
EmilienMwe do more than smoke, fyi https://github.com/openstack/puppet-openstack-integration/blob/master/run_tests.sh#L132-L14314:35
dprincesshnaidm: but I'd want to hold on that until we get our wall time down. Specifically some of the mirroring, caching work derekh is doing14:35
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shardyrhallisey: that's cool - it's really near to the timeout tho by the looks of it..14:35
sshnaidmdprince, actually I ran already tests on live CI, and got some results: http://logs.openstack.org/38/297038/4/check-tripleo/gate-tripleo-ci-f22-upgrades/b7de594/console.html   http://logs.openstack.org/38/297038/4/check-tripleo/gate-tripleo-ci-f22-nonha/63cbc53/console.html14:36
trowndprince: it could be worth doing sooner, if we keep the time the same as the ping test14:36
sshnaidmtempest smoke tests take from20 to 30 minutes, right now14:36
trownoh14:36
derekhdprince: sshnaidm we can start by tagging the tempest testing on to the end of the periodic test14:36
EmilienMsshnaidm: excellent!14:36
dprincetrown: if the time is the same then yeah. I think it is a significant hit14:36
dprincederekh: yep, +1 for periodic tempest14:37
sshnaidmcool14:37
EmilienMtest_network_basic_ops is the most important scenario imho14:37
weshaysshnaidm, is that w/ 0 failures, w/ the skip list?14:37
sshnaidmEmilienM, and it flaps :(14:37
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shardyI don't think tempest can really replace the pingtest entirely14:37
rhalliseyshardy, ya it is running a bit slower than usual..14:37
weshayshardy, agree14:37
dprincesshnaidm: so please do proceed w/ this. It shoulds like periodic job might be the best first place for it to live though14:37
shardye.g there's zero functional coverage of heat in tempest, because we couldn't get our patches in there14:38
EmilienMthe only blocker I see now is that we use config_tempest.py that is not in openstack/tempest14:38
sshnaidmwendar, yes, with skip list: tempest.api.orchestration.stacks  tempest.scenario.test_volume_boot_pattern14:38
weshaydprince, can we push the config_tempest.py to a tripleo repo?14:38
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dprinceweshay: sure, probably tripleo-ci if it helps14:38
EmilienMwell14:38
bnemecThat is not the right way to upstream that.14:38
sshnaidmsecond question is how do we configure tempest.. puppet is one of the option, and second is to commit configure_tempest script to CI repo14:38
EmilienMshould not we follow how openstack/tempest does config?14:38
trownI don't see what the downside of using puppet-tempest is?14:39
EmilienMeither puppet-tempest or openstack/tempest upstream tool14:39
dprincebnemec: so long as we can (quickly) make changes to it I don't mind where it lives14:39
EmilienMbnemec: right14:39
bnemecI don't want us to end up maintaing a tempest thing that upstream tempest is not using.14:40
derekhWhich option is a tripleo/rdo user most likely to use?14:40
EmilienMweshay: I don't think that's the best solution, imho14:40
sshnaidmtrown, configuring tempest with puppet seems to be very complex, maybe because I'm not puppet expert, but configure_tempest.py is much much easier14:40
weshayEmilienM, ya.. I'm not suggesting it is..14:40
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pradkshardy, slagle, so could we consider gnocchi as an exception for mitaka? it would be very helpful to get it in and low risk i think as we dont default to gnocchi in ceilometer as discussed with shardy14:40
EmilienMI agree with bnemec, we should talk with tempest folks and find a common way to do it14:40
dprinceI wouldn't use puppet-tempest I think. Honestly I don't even thing Tempest belongs on the undercloud because it can't be called remotely. There is no API to execute it... unless we did something w/ Mistral I guess to exec it that way14:41
dprinceTempst is just a test suite that can be called anywhere. It doesn't need to live on an undercloud proper14:41
weshayyup14:41
EmilienMI don't mind not using puppet-tempest, but I'm against using config_tempest.py which is not upstream but redhat only.14:41
weshayit's just convenient14:41
sshnaidmdprince, but it should access AUTH_URL of overcloud14:42
weshayEmilienM, ya.. I think that is what it boils down to14:42
dprinceEmilienM: I don't think it'd be redhat only. More of a TripleO config14:42
bnemecWhere it lives is kind of a big tangent here isn't it?  For CI it's going to be on the undercloud because that's where it has to be.14:42
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EmilienMdprince: I disagree, tripleo aims to use openstack projects, and tempest is already working on configuration tool14:42
EmilienMmtreinish: ^14:42
dprincesshnaidm: sure, but no need to log into the undercloud for that. You can do it that way, but you don't have to14:42
weshayEmilienM, are we *sure* the upstream tempest folks are working on something14:43
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weshayI've heard that for 3+ years14:43
derekhit could also be on the jenkins node14:43
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bnemecderekh: Not for net-iso14:43
EmilienMweshay: if not, we need to fix it.14:43
sshnaidmwendar, EmilienM, as I know dmellado work on this, and it will be in upstream. Somewhen14:43
derekhbnemec: ack14:43
dprincederekh: exactly14:43
trownIt seems like there are more than a couple design decisions here... maybe a spec?14:43
EmilienMweshay: but I don't like taking the short path and implementing our own stuff14:43
weshayI checked yesterday and I heard they were punting on it14:44
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weshayEmilienM, aye14:44
* bnemec suddenly remembers why we just wrote our own ping test14:44
weshaylol14:44
mtreinishEmilienM: ??14:44
sshnaidmbnemec, :)14:44
weshaybnemec +114:44
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adarazsit's more stable than network_basic_ops for sure...14:44
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dprincebnemec: we'd just need to expose the routes, I get your case... and we can run it on the undercloud due to how we setup our environment. But again, this isn't a requirement for everyone. Just a remnant of how our CI works14:44
weshaynote.. that config_tempest.py is used mid and downstream14:45
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weshayand would allow us to compare tempest results and have the faith the config was the same14:45
weshayit's just a point.. not saying we should use one or the other really atm..14:45
eggmasterweshay: check again in 3 years ;)14:45
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weshayit's important to get *some* tempest results soon though14:46
sshnaidmCommiting config_tempest.py to CI may be a temporary solution until the same tool appears upstream14:46
dprinceweshay: again, I'd be fine for it to live wherever. But if tripleo-ci is a good start then perhaps there first?14:46
EmilienMI would like to see a collaboration with Tempest folks14:46
EmilienMis there a thread on ML or a patch in Gerrit that we can monitor?14:46
trownI would like to see us iterate on this outside of our 1 hour meeting :)14:47
weshaydprince, that works for me.. as long as others think it's reasonable14:47
dprincetime is ticking guys. Perhaps we can table the oppinions on the location of the python script to the list?14:47
EmilienMI'm not in favor of accepting some custom tools while there are some upstream dup efforts14:47
* adarazs thinks tripleo-ci is a good place for it until it's not ready for tempest directly.14:47
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saneaxmy 2 cents, being able to run upstream tempest, is attractive to installer strategy14:47
EmilienMlet's move forward and follow-up later.14:47
dprinceweshay: propose it in a review where you think it belongs. We can debate it there....14:48
derekhlets use whatever RDO is using we'll then be more likely be able to debug each others setups14:48
shardyWe've not reached consensus re pradk's request for a backport exception - do we take that to the ML so folks can vote and the list of pending patches can be listed?14:48
weshayack14:48
weshaythanks14:48
slaglewe need some +1's on the mitaka periodic job, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298295/14:48
trownshardy: +114:48
shardyeither way there's a couple of remaining patches which need to land on master14:48
dprinceshardy: sure, sorry if I missed that14:48
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EmilienMderekh: well, RDO is not part of OpenStack, while TripleO is, we don't have the same constraints14:48
adarazsipv6 question time?14:48
bnemecRegarding the overcloud deletion, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296765/14:48
dprinceadarazs: yes. you are up14:48
adarazsIPv6 question: currently the upgrades job does "nothing", that is, it doesn't have pacemaker (or actual upgrades). previously we agreed that we'll add the IPv6 netiso to upgrades, but if the job doesn't have pacemaker, we're not testing the more important parts of our code path, and things could break with IPv6 pacemaker.14:49
adarazs1) is it okay if we enable pacemaker for upgrades? (which was planned anyway, I think and is my preference too) or 2) should we use the HA job for IPv6 or 3) not test IPv6 with pacemaker (which seems like a bad idea to me)14:49
bnemecThat's the periodic job I pushed for it.14:49
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EmilienMbefore having upgrades with pacemaker, I would rather try to have an upgrade scenario working on non-ha, to iterate later.14:50
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dprinceadarazs: so you are proposing that that upgrades job test IPv6. And by doing so it would cover IPv6 w/ pacemaker because that is what we are doing there anyways?14:50
EmilienMto me, iteration would help: first get an upgrade job working without HA, then add HA, and then add IPV614:50
adarazsdprince: last time we talked that was the end result, that we should use upgrades. :)14:51
EmilienMif we try all in one, we'll never finish14:51
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adarazsdprince: I'm fine with either, but we should add it to some gate job.14:51
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dprinceEmilienM: I think upgrades requires pacemaker currently. I agree with your sentament but that isn't what has evolved here :/14:51
weshaymatbu, ^14:51
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dprinceadarazs: IPv6 for the upgrades job would be fine with me.14:52
EmilienMderekh: my poing was tripleo & rdo do not have the same constraints. tripleo by its mission statements aims to consume OpenStack upstream projects, and this thing with tempest is downstream only, which is odd.14:52
derekhalso relevant here is a patch gfidente proposed to try and document the test matrix we are hoping to converge to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294071/14:52
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matbuEmilienM: I tried upgrade from liberty to mitaka14:52
dprinceadarazs: we have to get the upgrades job working first though right?14:52
dprinceadarazs: right now it is only partially testing upgrades I think14:53
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adarazsdprince: we currently have an upgrade job that runs without any option as it's not in tripleo-ci. I can add IPv6 option to it first.14:53
derekhAIUI gfidente was hoping to have the upgrades job with pacemaker and IPv614:53
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adarazsdprince: so that we test that at least until upgrades actually land.14:53
derekhof course we could add each of them on at a time14:53
dprincetrown: I'm not sure we are going to get to your quickstart issue man, too much time on CI :/14:53
matbudprince: i can try to make it works14:53
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trowndprince: no worries, I will send to the ML, and we can discuss next week if still needed14:53
EmilienMtrown: we can follow-up this topic in async on #tripleo14:54
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dprinceadarazs: sounds fine to me. I think just seeing IPv6 passing somewhere upstream on any CI job is the first step here.14:54
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EmilienMdprince: right, and upgrade job is very new,I'm not sure it's a good candidate.14:54
adarazsdprince: we had a passing a few days ago with all the different configurations!14:54
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EmilienMto me, we should start simple and non-ha or ha would be a good candidate for ipv6 testing. We can iterate later;14:55
adarazsdprince: that is with and without pacemaker, with and without ceph.14:55
EmilienMdoes upgrade job performs real upgrade?14:55
matbuadarazs: you mean ipv6 ?14:55
dprinceEmilienM: limited resources. we have to combine some things14:55
adarazsEmilienM: nonha doesn't have network isolation or pacemaker currently (but it has SSL which we sholudn't test together with IPv6 for now)14:55
dprinceEmilienM: I'm not opposed to adding it to nonha though14:56
gfidenteEmilienM I think the conclusion was that an actual upgrade would take too much to run at gate14:56
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gfidenteso the upgrade job will update deploying without the patch first and with the patch after14:56
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EmilienMthat's what we did in our Puppet CI14:56
dprinceadarazs: could you please email the list on these options?14:56
EmilienMand we noticed it was useless14:56
adarazsdprince: sure.14:56
dprinceadarazs: thanks14:57
dprince#topic specs14:57
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EmilienMwe have the exact same job, that were deployment our scenarios without the patch and then applying the patch.14:57
dprincerbrady: you wanted ot mention someting about tripleo-mistral?14:57
EmilienMwe stopped doing that because the feedback of the jobs were mostly useless14:57
EmilienMwhat operators really care is upgrade between openstack releases14:57
gfidenteEmilienM so that's a vote for deploying from stable branch first and update to master+patch right?14:58
shardyEmilienM: minor updates also matter tho, because bugfixes..14:58
EmilienMso yeah, it takes time but we should not skip it imho14:58
EmilienMshardy: right, but you and me know that today the biggest issues that we have are in major upgrades.14:58
dprinceI think rbrady wanted feedback on this:14:58
dprince#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280407/14:58
EmilienMgfidente: yes14:58
rbradyThe spec for the tripleo mistral integration has been up for some time now.  If there is no further issue, I'd like to see if there is another core willing to review.14:58
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dprincerbrady: ack, thanks for bringing it up again14:59
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shardyrbrady: sure, I'll provide feedback, been on my todo list14:59
dprincealmost out of time. trown sorry we didn't get to your item this week15:00
* EmilienM switching to puppet meeting on openstack-meeting-415:00
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dprince#endmeeting15:00
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trownno problem, I put it on the agenda an hour before15:00
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-03-29-14.00.html15:00
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-03-29-14.00.txt15:00
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-03-29-14.00.log.html15:00
trownthanks for chairing15:00
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matrohonhi bgpvpn's guy15:02
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matrohon#startmeeting bgpvpn15:03
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar 29 15:03:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is matrohon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn'15:03
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tmorinhi everyone15:03
matrohonhi tmorin pcarver timirnich doude15:04
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tmorinwow, did the DST change got everyone lost ?  :)15:05
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tmorinI think the agenda will be short anyways15:06
tmorinI have two topics in mind15:06
tmorin1) work on gate jobs15:06
tmorin2) precommit hooks15:07
matrohonunfortunately, vthapar doesn't seem around15:07
tmorinand we can also talk about mitaka release15:07
tmorinindeed15:07
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tmorinlet's be quick15:07
matrohonto talk about his change15:07
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matrohontmorin, fine15:07
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matrohon#topic gate enhancment15:07
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tmorinwe've worked to allow us to change job settings through bash rc files in net-bgpvpn repo (instead of doing a project-config gerrit change each time)15:08
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tmorinit's now done and working15:08
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tmorinwe've then started to experiment with starting more bagpipe components in the gate15:08
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tmorinthe agent extension and bagpipe-bgp15:09
tmorinnot working fully yet, but work is in progress15:09
tmorinand we're adding a job specifically to start enabling tempest15:09
matrohon#link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258522/15:09
tmorinas soon as a job is working, we'll work to make it a real voting gate job, rather than just experimental15:10
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tmorinanything to add ?15:10
matrohonnot for me15:11
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matrohon#topic precommit hooks15:11
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matrohondrivers are able to implement precommit methods for router/net_association15:12
matrohonthis is useful if one driver want to stop an association request15:13
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matrohonODL should take benefit of this change15:13
tmorinit is now enabled for bagpipe (reject l2 type and reject specification of route-distinguishers)15:13
tmorinodl work is under review15:13
tmorin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296289/15:13
tmorinanything else ?15:14
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matrohon#topic : summit15:16
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matrohonI've added the bgpvpn topic to ideas sumitted here :15:16
matrohon#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-summit-ideas15:16
tmoringood!15:16
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tmorinwe also plan to participate in the reflexion around l2 agent flow structuration work15:17
tmorinI think we should also try to talk of BGPVPN in relationship with the service chaining framework15:17
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matrohonamuller is suggesting to have a round table on friday15:17
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tmorinon which of the topics above ?15:19
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matrohonon the bgpvpn talk proposal, in etherpad15:19
tmorinI see now15:19
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tmorinwe should  maybe detail more the things to discuss and have a meeting earlier than friday15:20
tmorindifferent topics come to mind:15:20
tmorindiscuss static routes, aggregation15:20
tmorinE-VPN (maybe with bgp dyn routing folks ?)15:21
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matrohonhi vthapar15:22
vthaparmatrohon, sorry, was in other meeting that went longer, in fact still in progress.15:22
matrohonvthapar, np15:23
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matrohonI commented your patch about precommit hooks in the ODL driver15:23
vthaparmatrohon, saw that. working on changes.15:24
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tmorinhi vthapar15:24
vthaparhi tmorin15:24
* vthapar is going through meeting logs to catch up15:24
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vthapar??15:26
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matrohonvthapar, ^ do you have a comment?15:27
vthaparmatrohon, looks like I'm having network problems. working on follow up changes to the review as well as adding UTs15:28
vthaparhaving some problems with my dev setup again, proxy issues.15:28
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matrohonfine, we're done discussing bgpvpn's topics for today?15:29
tmorinit seems so, yes15:29
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matrohonok let's end the meeting15:30
matrohonthanks everyone15:30
matrohon#endmeeting15:30
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hongbin#startmeeting containers16:00
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hongbin#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-03-29_1600_UTC16:00
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hongbin#topic Roll Call16:00
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muraliamurali allada16:00
wznoinskWaldemar Znoinski16:00
TangoTon Ngo16:00
coreyobCorey O'Brien16:00
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strigaziSpyros Trigazis16:00
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adrian_ottoAdrian Otto16:01
hongbinThanks for joining the meeting muralia wznoinsk Tango coreyob Kennan juggler strigazi jay-lau-513 wangqun juggler rpothier adrian_otto16:01
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hongbinLet's begin16:02
hongbin#topic Announcements16:02
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adrian_ottomay I?16:02
hongbin1) An announcement from Adrian Otto16:02
hongbinadrian_otto: pls16:02
adrian_ottoI'd like to announce that Magnum will have a new PTL for the Newton development cycle. You elected Hongbin for this role. We are transitioning over my duties now. If you have any concerns about Mitaka, you can ask me, and everything else going forward Hongbin will be responsible for. I plan to remain active as a reviewer and continue contributing to Magnum.16:02
adrian_ottoare there any questions about this?16:02
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madhurio/16:02
TangoThanks Adrian for leading Magnum in the last 3 cycles.16:03
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adrian_ottoYou're welcome. It has been my pleasure.16:03
KennanThanks adrian_otto16:03
muraliaThank you Adrian for brining us this far. Congrats Hongbin.16:04
wangqunThanks  adrian_otto16:04
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jugglerThanks adrian_otto16:04
hongbinThanks adrian_otto for your leadership and contribution to the project16:04
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hongbin#topic Review Action Items16:05
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hongbinNone16:05
hongbin#topic Essential Blueprint/Bug Review16:05
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hongbinI suggest to skip this one, since we are in FF16:06
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hongbin#topic Plan for design summit topics16:06
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hongbin#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-newton-design-summit-topics Etherpad collaborating topics for Magnum Newton design summit16:06
hongbinWe are using the etherpad to collaborating the topics we are going to discuss in the design summit16:07
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hongbinIt will be great if you can put your topics there16:07
hongbinWe can wait for one week for inputs and revisit the etherpad in the next meeting16:08
hongbinAny concern or question for the design summit?16:08
hongbinOK. Let proceed to open discussion16:09
hongbin#topic Open Discussion16:09
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hongbin1. Kuryr team proposed to extend its scope to storage16:09
hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289993/ The proposed spec16:09
hongbinDoes it have any impact on the Magnum roadmap? What is our position?16:09
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TangoI think it's a good direction, consistent with the networking effort16:10
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eghobohongbin: does it Kuryr moving away from just container to COE support16:11
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jay-lau-513i did not see much how Kuryr will manage storage16:11
jay-lau-513from the spec16:11
hongbineghobo: I am not sure right now16:11
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thomasemo/16:11
TangoI was a little surprised about the expanded mission, but if they want to tackle this, it should be fine16:11
jay-lau-513shall we wait some detail for this? BTW: Each COE has its own storage manager and most of them can integrate with different backend16:11
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eghobojay-lau-513: i think they want support plugins for Docker, Kub, etc16:12
jay-lau-513I think that the Kuryr + Storage will not impact magnm much16:12
hongbineghobo: It looks they want to support all the COEs per my understandng16:12
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jay-lau-513magnum can focus on kuryr network part first16:12
TangoIt's too early at this point, we should stay in touch to see how they approach the problem16:13
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eghoboTango: +116:13
hongbinOK. It sounds we are OK for their expanded scope16:13
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TangoIf they take a similar approach to networking, then in the long run, it should simplify things for Magnum16:14
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eghobocan we have shared session at summit?16:14
hongbinTango: +116:14
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adrian_ottoHonestly, I think expanding the scope of a project like that is a huge mistake.16:14
hongbineghobo: I can talk to the Kuryr PTL about that16:14
hongbin#action hongbin discuss with Kuryr PTL about the shared session idea16:15
hongbinadrian_otto: could you elaborate?16:15
jay-lau-513any input? :-)16:15
eghoboadrian_otto: +1, maybe they should join magnum instead ;)16:16
KennanTango: seems they only use docker now, while other COEs would not just relay on docker16:16
Tangoadrian_otto: It's surprising to me as well16:16
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TangoKennan: for networking?16:16
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TangoKennan: Kube will have its own networking implementation, CNI16:17
askb0/16:17
adrian_ottonetworking is a huge scope already, with all the complexities of matching the container world with the SDN world16:17
Kennanright now, I did not find kuryr fully support kubernetes16:17
hongbinadrian_otto: true16:18
eghobojust to clarify CNI is not Kub spec16:18
Tangoeghobo: right16:18
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hongbinWhat I can do for the Kuryr sepc is:16:18
hongbin1. Relay our inputs to the TC/Kuryr16:19
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hongbin2. Vote +1/-1 on their spec16:19
adrian_ottomy worry is that we rely on Kuryr as a pillar to succeed at integrating Magnum with Neutron. If their focus becomes fractured too wide, they lose effectiveness, and we both fail.16:19
adrian_ottomy advice would be to master one domain before moving into the next.16:20
TangoI heard Kuryr implementation for libnetwork is completed, they are looking to move on to CNI16:20
adrian_ottounless the team is so big that it can afford to be split16:20
hongbinadrian_otto: ack. I can forward your inputs to the Kuryr team16:21
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hongbinOK, any last comments before advancing topic?16:21
KennanTango: did ou have CNI reference for that ? I did not think docker right now lead network design16:22
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thomasemDid Neutron ever get tiered port support?16:22
thomasemThat was a flaw with Kuryr16:22
TangoKennan: I can follow up with you16:22
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Kennanthanks16:23
hongbin2. Enhance Mesos bay to a DCOS bay (Jay Lau)16:23
hongbin#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090437.html Discussion in ML16:23
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/mesos-dcos The blueprint16:23
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hongbinjay-lau-513: Could you give a quick summarize of your proposal?16:24
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mveltenlike said by someone pretty sure the dcos cli is closed source and not redistributable16:24
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eghobomvelten: we can use cli it's public https://github.com/mesosphere/dcos-cli/blob/master/LICENSE, but we cannot use dcos16:25
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hongbinBTW, I never successfully installed the dcos-cli, it asked me to enter a verification code16:26
hongbinwhich I don't know how to get16:26
jay-lau-513_I was often testing on ubuntu16:26
jay-lau-513_it works well16:26
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mveltenanyway chronos for batch jobs would be nice16:27
eghobojay-lau-513_ : where do you want install cli?16:28
jay-lau-513_the current mesos bay actually does not help much as it simply installs a mesos + marathon cluster without any customized configuration16:28
hongbinI have no problem for adding chronos to the mesos bay16:28
jay-lau-513_it cannot leverage mesos advanced features16:28
jay-lau-513_eghobo not a must to install dcos cli, perhaps we can update document16:28
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eghobomvelten. hongbin: we can ask marathon to run chronos (one json file for us)16:29
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jay-lau-513_eghobo navigate end user to use dcos cli to operate mesos bay16:29
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hongbineghobo: Then, we don't need to install chronos in Magnum?16:29
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eghobohongbin: we can add it the same way as kube-ui16:30
jay-lau-513_eghobo  hongbin why not add chronos to mesos bay?16:30
TangoHow about using labels to install additional frameworks?16:30
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mveltenyep good idea for labels16:30
wangqunTango +116:31
hongbin+1 for labels16:31
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Kennanlabels seems make it diffculet for users16:31
askb+1 for labels16:31
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TangoI am thinking abouot adding kubeand and swarm as well16:31
Tangoin mesos16:31
eghobojay-lau-513_ : we can, i just don't want any extra packages at master16:31
Kennanbetter with configure files16:31
jay-lau-513_+q to tango16:31
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Kennanlike magnum bay-create --coe-config-file <filename>16:32
Kennanfilename contains key,values configruation16:32
hongbinjay-lau-513_: I think eghobo suggestion is a good idea16:32
jay-lau-513_to be a basic dcos, it should have both long running and batch job management16:32
mveltenand when possible we can leverage marathon to run the additional frameworks16:32
jay-lau-513_mesos and chronos are basic to mesos bay16:32
adrian_ottoI think mesos+marathon and mesos+chronos should be separate COE drivers, not one.16:32
wangqunKennan: this idea is good. I agree with it more.16:32
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hongbinadrian_otto: If that happens, there will be too many bay types... Not sure if it is a good idea16:33
adrian_ottoI fear that putting too much into a single mesos bay type will make it bloated.16:33
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Tangomaybe marathon should be an option as well so users can pick and choose?16:33
adrian_ottowhat's wrong with having more bay types?16:33
jay-lau-513_mesos is very flexible, agree to make the mesos bay as configurable but it should have some basci componments16:33
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eghoboadrian_otto: not sure about it, people usually have both (marathon and chronos), but you are right about aurora for example16:34
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mveltenthen you cant easily deploy one cluster for both batch jobs and services16:34
mvelteneghobo: +116:34
jay-lau-513_adrian_otto there are some use cases that many end users want to use mesos+marathon+chronos in a single cluster16:34
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adrian_ottoIt's probably not a good idea for Magnum to become a configuration mangement tool for COEs.16:34
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adrian_ottothe point is to make the COE's bay work well with the IaaS.16:35
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mveltenin this case we should remove marathon too I think :)16:35
adrian_ottojay-lau-513: I see.16:35
TangoOne of my use case for Mesos does not include Marathon16:35
jay-lau-513mesos is a special bay here, as it can integrate with different frameworks: k8s, swarm, marathon, chronos etc16:36
adrian_ottowhat if drivers could be combined?16:36
adrian_ottoso you'd have a mesos base driver, and one or more framework drivers?16:37
Kennanframework drivers is good one option16:37
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jay-lau-513adrian_otto can you please explain more for drivers? :-)16:37
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adrian_ottonote that we don't have to support every combination, but we could allow the most popular ones.16:38
jay-lau-513adrian_otto yes16:38
muralia+116:38
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adrian_ottothe problem is that if the Bay is too complex, the bay orchestration (heat) templates, the related parameter logic, and the resources needed to express them get much more complex.16:38
jay-lau-513but it is difficult to address the most popular ones,as some combinations are also growing16:39
adrian_ottoso if we can find a way to simplify each bay into an individual driver, with a sensible method of sharing code between them, then the resulting system should be simpler to maintain and operate.16:39
hongbinYes, I think that should be addressed by the bay driver proposal16:40
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mveltenexcept that you don't communalize the cluster resources with this approach, you will have to run one separated Mesos cluster for each framework : if one doesnt use its resources the other can't take them like in a single mesos16:41
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hongbinYes, the point of mesos is the abiliity to run multiple framework in a single bay16:42
adrian_ottoyou can make your own drivers as a cloud operator16:42
adrian_ottoso you could spend a little effort to combine a few.16:42
adrian_ottowhen you have lots of combinations, supporting every possible one quickly becomes burdensome16:43
jay-lau-513mvelten, yes, but it depens, if every framwork use a mesos clusgter, then we cannot use the resources sharing policy in mesos16:43
jay-lau-513I will take a look at the driver proposal and to see how we can leverage it16:43
jay-lau-513thanks adrian_otto16:43
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adrian_ottobut if 90% of Mesos bay users use both chronos and marathon, then those should both be in the default driver.16:44
adrian_ottomy hunch is that adding more frameworks to a bay is something that could be added to a post-install script that could be user contributed and guided by community documentation.16:44
hongbineghobo: how many users use both chronos and marathon?16:44
mveltenjay-lau-513: thats what I meant. adrian_otto: fine for me, I am still not in the pluggable COE driver mode ;)16:45
jay-lau-513hongbin I think this is what mesosphere doing now, a basic dcos cluster should have long running service and batch job management16:45
jay-lau-513mvelten ok, i c16:46
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hongbinOK, I think we can discuss this topic further in the next meeting16:46
hongbinLet's discuss other topics for now16:46
mveltenagreed. batch jobs wer missing in Kubernetes, they added a Job API in v1.1 because of demand16:46
hongbin3. Enable Mesos Bay export more slave flags (Jay Lau)16:46
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/mesos-slave-flags The blueprint16:46
jay-lau-513sure, tango also raised a good question  of mesos+swarm and mesos+kubernetes16:46
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jay-lau-513ok, we can take a look at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/mesos-slave-flags16:47
jay-lau-513the reason that I raised this bp is because mesos is now adding some excitig features, such as CNI support, docker volume driver support etc16:47
jay-lau-513those features are managed by mesos agent flags16:48
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jay-lau-513but the mesos bay donot enable end user customized the agent flags and the end uesr can not leverage those new features16:48
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jay-lau-513so I propose that we expose more flags to end user so as to customized the mesos bay16:49
hongbinI think adrian_otto raised a concern about supporting too many flags16:49
hongbinjay-lau-513: possibly we cannot support all of them16:49
jay-lau-513but we need to consider how to enable end user to customize the mesos bay16:49
hongbinjay-lau-513: maybe we can add support for some if it is important16:49
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jay-lau-513Yes, I listed some key parameters in bp16:50
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jay-lau-513about 7 parameteres16:50
TangoIt should be ok to add more options.   We were only discussing how to organize and present to the users16:50
Tangonot limiting options16:50
wangqunTango: +116:50
jay-lau-513Tango yes16:51
adrian_ottoThis might be a good application for labels on a BayModel resource.16:51
wangqunWe can create a file and add the configfile <> to bay or baymodel.16:51
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jay-lau-513adrian_otto yes, wangqun and kennan did some investigation for this16:51
adrian_ottoso you could allow an arbitrary set of known parameters through16:51
mveltenwhy not just add a EXTRA_OPTIONS or something like that that would be added at the end of the mesos command line in the systemd unit ?16:52
wangqunI think the label parameters is so many. It's easy to be used by users.16:52
adrian_ottomvelten: yes, tha's what I just said16:52
jay-lau-513so seems we all agree to use labels16:52
adrian_ottoI think that's a sensible place to start16:52
mveltenyep sorry it is going to fast :)16:53
adrian_ottoand if we learn that everyone is using a particular set of labels, then we can pull those into driver params16:53
hongbinOK, let's rediscuss the mesos topic later16:53
jay-lau-513that's also the bp's target for now, cool16:53
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hongbin4. Support remote insecure private registry (Eli Qiao)16:53
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/support-private-registry The blueprint16:53
hongbineliqiao_: you there?16:53
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jay-lau-513hongbin I think that this bp we reached agreement to use labels16:53
hongbinjay-lau-513: ack16:54
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hongbinjay-lau-513: From me, I need more times to look into each options you listed16:54
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Kennanjay-lau-513: hongbin: I think it needs more check about what it impacts to heat templates structure and itnerface16:55
jay-lau-513hongbin sure, I also append some links there, you can take a look, the mesos has a special feature: it does not depend on docker daemon but can also enable end user use docker containers16:55
adrian_ottoI looked into this. The option Eli is proposing we enable allows a secure docker to use a registry that has an unverifiable SSL cert, or just uses HTTP transport.16:56
Kennanso labels is just one opition16:56
Kennannot means it is best now16:56
hongbinadrian_otto: Not clear from me16:56
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adrian_ottoconsidering that insecure is in the name of the option, it's really easy to document this as "user beware".16:56
hongbinSince Eli is not here, let's table this discussion16:57
hongbinI will start a ML to discuss that16:57
adrian_otto#link http://wanderingquandaries.blogspot.com/2014/11/setting-up-insecure-docker-registry.html Setting up an Insecure Docker Registry16:57
Kennanit seems it is for private registry use16:58
adrian_ottothat may help explain the docker reature in question16:58
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adrian_otto*feature16:58
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Kennanwhile not use TLS for private registry16:58
hongbinWe have 3 minutes left16:58
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hongbin5. Progress on Atomic images using diskimage-builder16:59
hongbinThis is the last one16:59
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adrian_ottotime up17:00
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hongbinAll, thanks for joining the meeting. Let's wrap up. Overflow on the container channel17:00
hongbin#endmeeting17:00
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kzaitsev_mb#startmeeting murano17:07
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar 29 17:07:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:07
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:07
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'murano'17:07
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Nikolay_Sthop hei17:07
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ativelkovo/17:07
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ddovbiihi17:07
kzaitsev_mbhi all =)17:07
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carolbarretto/17:07
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kzaitsev_mbour agenda is usually avilable at17:07
kzaitsev_mb#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda17:07
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kzaitsev_mb*as usual =)17:07
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StanLaguno/17:07
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askb\017:07
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kzaitsev_mb#topic Status Updates17:07
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freerunnero/17:07
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kzaitsev_mbWe have a bunch of updates in stable/mitaka + translations in dashboard17:07
kzaitsev_mbso we're going to release RC2 later this week17:07
kzaitsev_mbprobably around Thursday17:07
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kzaitsev_mbwe aslo have a couple of bugs, to fix that I'd really like to fix in time for M release17:07
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kzaitsev_mb#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/154885717:07
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kzaitsev_mbthis one with the upgrading of packages by default17:07
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kzaitsev_mb#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/156280417:07
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kzaitsev_mband this one17:07
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kzaitsev_mball the updates I have for now =)17:07
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1548857 in Murano "Unable to deploy apps on debian image due to dpkg/lock" [High,In progress] - Assigned to omar (oshykhkerimov)17:07
openstackLaunchpad bug 1562804 in Murano "[engine] destroy method not called for objects removed by actions" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Stan Lagun (slagun)17:07
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Nikolay_Stwow-wow17:07
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kzaitsev_mbRC2 is probably Thursday, Mitaka release is next week17:08
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kzaitsev_mbNikolay_St: I'm not the only one seeing this, right?17:08
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freerunnerkzaitsev_mb: Right17:08
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kzaitsev_mbok =) no more updates from my side17:10
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Nikolay_Stkzaitsev_mb: sure17:11
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kzaitsev_mblet's move on then =)17:11
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kzaitsev_mb#topic Summit agenda17:11
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kzaitsev_mbthis is just a very short reminder to look at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-austin-newton-agenda17:11
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kzaitsev_mb#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-austin-newton-agenda17:12
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kzaitsev_mbif you have ideas for topics to dicuss on the summit — please don't hesitate to add them to the etherpad =)17:12
kzaitsev_mbif no one does — we'll have to discuss what I see fit =P17:13
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kzaitsev_mbI don't expect you guys to do it now, just pls remember that we have this etherpad17:13
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Nikolay_Stkzaitsev_mb: ok17:14
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Nikolay_Stkzaitsev_mb: can't write something just now17:14
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kzaitsev_mblet's move to the open discussion then17:15
kzaitsev_mb#topic Open Discussion17:15
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kzaitsev_mbcarolbarrett: hi there!17:15
carolbarrettHi17:15
carolbarrettThanks for the time17:15
kzaitsev_mbyou've added this topic about the roadmap )17:15
kzaitsev_mbcan you please elaborate?17:15
carolbarrettYes, I’m with the Product WG. We work with the Foundation to create a Community Roadmap to communicate direction for Project development over the upcoming releases. The target audience for this is our Community, Ecosystem, Current/Future Operators and Press/Analyst.17:15
carolbarrettWe published the first roadmap in Vancouver and have been providing qtrly updates since.17:15
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carolbarrettWe are finalizing the Roadmap for Mitaka and to be presented and released in Austin17:16
carolbarrettI want to work with this team to include Murano updates in this package.17:16
carolbarrettHere's a link to my draft: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1pJSx1jQ6X3CKcjGtBYRC2vmXJv2_gOf3v2ujGGPlMRA/edit?usp=sharing17:16
kzaitsev_mb#link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1pJSx1jQ6X3CKcjGtBYRC2vmXJv2_gOf3v2ujGGPlMRA/edit?usp=sharing17:16
carolbarrettYou will see it needs help. :)17:16
kzaitsev_mbfor the record17:16
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kzaitsev_mbI believe you took it from our dashboard release-notes, right? =)17:17
carolbarrettHere's a link to one we created for Sahara as an example17:17
carolbarretthttps://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1-iGE2LJRs7X5KXABuWOzbekQbQI0JT27QTK7A_RGZkw/edit?usp=sharing17:17
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carolbarrettkzaitsev: I took the info from your release notes as well as looking at your blueprints17:17
carolbarrettWhat I am interested in better understanding is the priority features/capabilities for Newton and Ocata17:18
kzaitsev_mbcarolbarrett: how can I help you improve it? =)17:18
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carolbarrettkzaitsev_mb: I'd like help in identifying what activities from Mitaka will continue in Newton and Ocata17:19
kzaitsev_mbcause your Mitaka priorities only include dashboard improvements and we have a lot of improvements in murano itself =)17:19
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carolbarrettkzaitsev_mb: Glad to hear it! Can you point me to a location where I can get that info?17:19
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carolbarrettOr can we setup a phone call to discuss?17:19
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kzaitsev_mbcarolbarrett: http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/murano/mitaka.html17:20
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kzaitsev_mbcarolbarrett: I believe we can if you want ) a hangout probably17:21
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Nikolay_Stkzaitsev_mb: carolbarrett I want to participate :)17:21
kzaitsev_mbI think Serg wanted to answer your letter17:21
carolbarrettkzaitsev_mb: Thanks - Can you help me identify the most significant for Mitaka? What will continue into Newton/Ocata and what would be the Ocata  priorities.17:22
kzaitsev_mbsergmeli_: Serg is that you? =)17:22
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sergmeli_carolbarrett: yep )17:22
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sergmeli_carolbarrett: sure, we can setup a call on this week regarding that, when it will be convenient for you?17:23
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carolbarrettsergmeli: I'm on the West Coast, I could meet at 8:00 AM or Noon or 1:00. Any of those work for you?17:23
carolbarrettFriday that is... :)17:24
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kzaitsev_mbcarolbarrett: it would be a lot more convinient for you to set up a meeting with serg, because you're in adjastent time zones (and I'm in Moscow time zone =))17:25
carolbarrettkzaitsev_mb: That's fine with me. If you do want to participate, we could find a time that works for you too.17:26
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kzaitsev_mbcarolbarrett: let's think on a way to continue this discussion.17:27
kzaitsev_mbcarolbarrett: let's keep in touch via mail probably?17:27
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carolbarrettkzaitsev_mb: Sure. Once I meet with Serg, I'll post an update and send out a link to this group. I can also come into the next meeting to review. My deadline is next week.17:28
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kzaitsev_mbcarolbarrett: ok, cool. let's keep in touch =)17:29
carolbarrettsergmeli_: Can we find a time Friday or Monday to update the draft?17:29
Guest90820http://cur.lv/wo54f17:29
kzaitsev_mbif serg is busy — pls ping me on IRC =) I'm available on IRC most of the time )17:29
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sergmeli_carolbarrett: Monday works for me %)17:30
carolbarrettOK17:30
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carolbarrettsergmeli_: I'll send you an email with times to see what works for you.17:30
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sergmeli_Thank you!17:30
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carolbarrettThanks for the discussion!17:31
kzaitsev_mbDoes anyone have anything else up for discussion? =)17:31
kzaitsev_mboh I remember one thing — last time we agreed to have bi-weekly meetings for stable branch bug triaging.17:32
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kzaitsev_mbI suggest that we do this starting next week =)17:32
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kzaitsev_mbso a gentle reminder for everyone (and since we're anyway in the walking through bugs this time it should be easy)17:33
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kzaitsev_mbPlease see if there are any bugs, that would qualify for being backported to liberty and kilo17:34
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kzaitsev_mbok. I'm going to wait another maybe 5 mins and end the meeting early if no one comes up with any more topics to discuss17:36
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kzaitsev_mbthanks everyone for attending today =)17:41
kzaitsev_mblet's save 20mins of our lives =) and see you in #murano17:41
kzaitsev_mb#endmeeting17:41
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