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| sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 14:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 30 14:03:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 14:03 |
| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:03 |
| sgordon | #topic roll caoll | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll caoll (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:03 | |
| sgordon | #undo | 14:03 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0xa984c90> | 14:03 |
| sgordon | #topic roll call | 14:03 |
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| sgordon | o/ | 14:03 |
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| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/299330 | 14:05 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/299337 | 14:06 |
| sgordon | #info security segregation and complex instance placement updates submitted to product-wg to trigger review process | 14:06 |
| sgordon | #endmeeting | 14:07 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 30 14:07:14 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2016/telcowg.2016-03-30-14.03.html | 14:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2016/telcowg.2016-03-30-14.03.txt | 14:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2016/telcowg.2016-03-30-14.03.log.html | 14:07 |
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| haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
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| Swami | hi | 15:00 |
| haleyb | #startmeeting neutron_dvr | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 30 15:00:51 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is haleyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_dvr)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_dvr' | 15:00 |
| haleyb | #chair Swami | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Swami haleyb | 15:01 |
| haleyb | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| haleyb | Mitaka milestone RC2 released, should be final | 15:02 |
| Swami | Good | 15:02 |
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| haleyb | so unless there's something critical we're looking ahead, or to stable | 15:02 |
| haleyb | #topic Bugs | 15:03 |
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| Swami | haleyb: thanks | 15:03 |
| Swami | This week I we have couple of new bugs | 15:03 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1526855 | 15:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1526855 in neutron "VMs fail to get metadata in large scale environments" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:03 |
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| Swami | Thsis one was filed already but has been re-opened since it was not fixed. | 15:04 |
| Swami | At present there are no patch to address this issue, since it is very difficult right now to identify where the problem is with respect to metadata. | 15:05 |
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| haleyb | is some of it still that we're not starting the proxy quick enough? | 15:05 |
| Swami | haleyb: I think that is the symptom, it is delayed for a while and even at larger scale if we increase the wait time, since we are seeing a bunch of failures. | 15:06 |
| Swami | s/since/still | 15:06 |
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| haleyb | any thoughts on new solutions? | 15:07 |
| Swami | We need to see why the metadata proxy is getting delayed, may be for dvr routers, should we be starting it early enough or we should be adding some delay in the code not to proceed before the metadata is received. | 15:07 |
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| Swami | It would be great if there is some status update about metadata fetch happened or not. | 15:08 |
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| haleyb | part of the problem is that nova will proceed irregardless of our state. That patch was rejected | 15:09 |
| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181674/ | 15:09 |
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| Swami | haleyb: yes we should have some sort of mechanism to co-ordinate, otherwise it would be very difficult to fix these issues. | 15:10 |
| Swami | probably in newton we should work on these nova/neutron interactions. | 15:11 |
| haleyb | Swami: guess we can only focus on the l3-agent for now | 15:11 |
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| Swami | haleyb: is there any flag or info that we can set in the router_namespace for the metadata proxy enablement and can the l3 agent use it for further configurations. | 15:12 |
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| haleyb | i don't exactly understand | 15:13 |
| Swami | We can discuss this offline on the options. | 15:13 |
| haleyb | ok, continue with the new bugs | 15:13 |
| obondarev | hi, sorry for being late | 15:14 |
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| Swami | obondarev: hi | 15:14 |
| Swami | The next one in the list is | 15:14 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1562110 | 15:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1562110 in neutron "link-lock-address allocater for DVR has a limit of 256 address pairs per node" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:14 |
| Swami | here is the patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297839/ | 15:14 |
| Swami | Just a quick question on this patch, I got a comment from Assaf that he is not comfortable with providing a config option for configuring this link_local_ip address cidr. | 15:15 |
| Swami | What do you guys think? Should we just hardcode it and document it on the impact. | 15:16 |
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| haleyb | Swami: i know you got a comment on a new config option, is it useful to explore making this a DB entry? some new extension? | 15:16 |
| haleyb | or we just increase as large as possible | 15:16 |
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| Swami | haleyb: The reason I went for the config option is, it is similar to the one used in HA routers for the internal network. | 15:17 |
| Swami | haleyb: at present it seems that the best option is increase as large as possible and document it. | 15:17 |
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| Swami | haleyb: may be a /16 range would work for now. | 15:18 |
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| haleyb | so 169.254.0.0/16 ? | 15:18 |
| Swami | haleyb: yes | 15:18 |
| haleyb | that doesn't conflict with any metadata setting? | 15:19 |
| Swami | haleyb: I think so. | 15:20 |
| haleyb | keepalived might not like it | 15:20 |
| haleyb | we can discuss in the patch, might be a /17 | 15:20 |
| Swami | yes keepalived has 169.254.192.0/18 | 15:21 |
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| Swami | haleyb: let us take the discussion in the patch. | 15:21 |
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| Swami | The next one in the list is | 15:22 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1563879 | 15:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1563879 in neutron "[RFE] DVR should route packets to Instances behind the L2 Gateway" [Undecided,New] | 15:22 |
| Swami | This is an RFE that we should look into for the newton release. | 15:22 |
| Swami | Right now i have posted it as an RFE, but we need an blueprint we can add one. | 15:22 |
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| Swami | s/but we/but if we | 15:23 |
| Swami | have any questions on this RFE | 15:23 |
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| haleyb | no questions, agree it should be done | 15:24 |
| Swami | The next one in the list is also an RFE. | 15:24 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1557290 | 15:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1557290 in neutron "[RFE]DVR FIP agent gateway does not pass traffic directed at fixed IP" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 15:24 |
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| Swami | This is again to provide north-south with DVR and BGP. | 15:25 |
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| Swami | haleyb: Do you think we also need an RFE to support IPv6 north-south or shall we include that as part of this RFE | 15:26 |
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| haleyb | i think we can include it, even though it is different wrt prefix delegation, etc | 15:27 |
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| Swami | haleyb: ok | 15:27 |
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| Swami | That's all on the new bugs list | 15:28 |
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| Swami | haleyb: This bug is there for a while, | 15:29 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1414559 | 15:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1414559 in neutron "OVS drops RARP packets by QEMU upon live-migration - VM temporarily disconnected" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev) | 15:29 |
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| Swami | obondarev: has patches for it, but we should review it. | 15:29 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246898/ - patch 1 | 15:30 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246910/ - patch 2 | 15:30 |
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| haleyb | i had reviewed the neutron one, but not nova. it actually needs a rebase now | 15:31 |
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| Swami | haleyb: ok | 15:31 |
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| obondarev | just rebased | 15:31 |
| Swami | obondarev: thanks | 15:31 |
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| haleyb | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281137/ as well for review? | 15:31 |
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| obondarev | yep | 15:32 |
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| obondarev | I was asked to split in 2 patches | 15:32 |
| Swami | obondarev: will review it. | 15:32 |
| obondarev | Swami: thanks | 15:32 |
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| haleyb | me too | 15:32 |
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| haleyb | obondarev: one nova patch needs rebase too | 15:33 |
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| Swami | We have also pushed in a doc patch for the DVR SNAT HA | 15:33 |
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| obondarev | haleyb: yeah | 15:33 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296836/ | 15:33 |
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| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296711/ | 15:34 |
| haleyb | will review | 15:34 |
| Swami | These two document patches are up for review so if you get a chance please review it. | 15:34 |
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| Swami | That's all I had for bugs. | 15:35 |
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| Swami | I had one question may be we can discuss in the Open discussion | 15:35 |
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| haleyb | sure | 15:35 |
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| haleyb | #topic Gate Failures | 15:36 |
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| Swami | The multinode failure has gone down from last week. | 15:36 |
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| Swami | But I did see that it is climbing up right now. | 15:37 |
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| haleyb | The check queue failures have gone down, but I still need to go through things to determine cause | 15:37 |
| Swami | haleyb: we should probably bring down the mutinode failures to be on par with the single node. | 15:38 |
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| haleyb | Could just be bad patches, right :) | 15:38 |
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| Swami | haleyb: that's my assumption at this point. | 15:38 |
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| haleyb | Swami: yes, it will need a dedicated resource(s) to work on it | 15:39 |
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| obondarev | I saw a couple of failures caused by some infra issues (tests didn'r run even) | 15:39 |
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| Swami | obondarev: thanks for the information. | 15:40 |
| Swami | haleyb: yes I agree with you on this. | 15:40 |
| Swami | haleyb: may be this would be the right time between now and the summit we can focus on getting the multinode stabilized. | 15:40 |
| haleyb | yeah, and i've seen repo clone failures, but there's still some difference | 15:40 |
| haleyb | Swami: but i added a topic this morning, which has been consuming my time at least... | 15:41 |
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| Swami | haleyb: I will try to spend some time on gate failures for multinode. | 15:42 |
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| haleyb | I think if we just focus on one failure mode at a time (for now) we can make progress, as these are not always easy to diagnose | 15:43 |
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| Swami | haleyb: make sense. | 15:43 |
| haleyb | #topic Stable backports | 15:44 |
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| haleyb | Ihar created https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-bug-candidates-from-master to track Mitaka changes for backport | 15:44 |
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| haleyb | i've been going throught it and manually cherry-picking things, along with help from Swami | 15:44 |
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| haleyb | I need to update with more review links, but it's getting there | 15:45 |
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| Swami | haleyb: thanks for the link | 15:46 |
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| haleyb | there is both an l3 and dvr section, hopefully can get all reviews up and passing | 15:47 |
| obondarev | haleyb: nice | 15:47 |
| Swami | haleyb: This is a good idea to maitain an etherpad to track. | 15:47 |
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| haleyb | Swami: and merging those fip race patches will help as it makes cherry-picking easier, and less rechecks since it's a common failure | 15:48 |
| Swami | haleyb: yes, I will take a look at it | 15:49 |
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| haleyb | obondarev: btw, i couldn't add you to one of the stable reviews today, there's 3 of you in gerrit and they all failed with some strange error | 15:50 |
| obondarev | haleyb: yeah, just try "obondarev" | 15:50 |
| obondarev | haleyb: I'm not sure what's wrong, my personal data in gerrit looks ok | 15:51 |
| Swami | obondarev: I have had the same problem adding you with your email address. | 15:51 |
| obondarev | right, I know, it is just "obondarev" not email | 15:52 |
| haleyb | unless it's my browser, "Oleg Bondarev <obondarev@mirantis.com> does not identify a registered user or group" | 15:52 |
| Swami | obondarev: got it. | 15:52 |
| carl_baldwin | Have you asked infra about that? I had the same problem a while back. | 15:53 |
| obondarev | I should write to infra | 15:53 |
| haleyb | no, hadn't yet. firefox is always auto-completing so i can't just use your name | 15:53 |
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| haleyb | another reason to revert gerrit :) | 15:53 |
| obondarev | the issue was with old gerrit as well :( | 15:54 |
| haleyb | obondarev: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295987/ is the review | 15:54 |
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| haleyb | #topic Open Discussion | 15:55 |
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| haleyb | Swami: you mentioned something | 15:55 |
| Swami | haleyb: carl_baldwin: I have a question with respect to address-scopes and DVR | 15:55 |
| obondarev | haleyb: what's the review you wanted to add me? | 15:56 |
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| Swami | If we try to add two subnets belonging to two different address scopes to a router, the router does not route ( East-west). Is it a valid behavior or known limitation. | 15:56 |
| haleyb | obondarev: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295987/ it's just a stable backport you had +2'd in master | 15:56 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: known valid behavior. | 15:57 |
| obondarev | haleyb: thanks, going to ask infra for help | 15:57 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: Do we need to document or throw an error message when we try to add since it does not route | 15:58 |
| carl_baldwin | Documentation is up for review. | 15:58 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: Or is it well documented already. | 15:58 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: thanks that answers my question. | 15:59 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: You're welcome. | 15:59 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: https://review.openstack.org/286294 | 15:59 |
| haleyb | anything else in the last seconds? | 15:59 |
| Swami | that's all I had. | 15:59 |
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| haleyb | thanks everyone, time is up | 16:00 |
| haleyb | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 30 16:00:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2016/neutron_dvr.2016-03-30-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2016/neutron_dvr.2016-03-30-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
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| Swami | bye | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2016/neutron_dvr.2016-03-30-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| rkukura | hi ML2’ers! | 16:00 |
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| yamamoto | hi | 16:00 |
| Sukhdev | hello | 16:00 |
| yamahata | hello | 16:01 |
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| rkukura | I don’t see scheuran yet, but we’ll get started | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | relatively light agenda today | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 30 16:03:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:03 |
| rkukura | #topic Agenda | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_March_30.2C_2016 | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | Anything to add or remove? | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | only one from your chairs is that neutron mitaka RC2 is in the works | 16:05 |
| rkukura | any other announcements? | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | guess not… | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | :-) | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | #topic Summit ideas | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-summit-ideas | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | looks like this has grown a bit since last week | 16:07 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: I see you added one on VLAN-aware servers | 16:07 |
| rkukura | Is this related to trunk ports? | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | yes | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura : This is needed for Ironic as well | 16:08 |
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| Sukhdev | In fact, I am trying to arrange a joint Neutron/Nova/Ironic session to cover this | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | on neutron and nova side, folks are looking for trunked VMS | 16:08 |
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| rkukura | Is there disagreement among these projects on the way forward? | 16:08 |
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| Sukhdev | no - there are no disagreements, but, disconnects | 16:09 |
| rkukura | ok, sounds useful | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | the intent of the joint session to bring all the right players together | 16:09 |
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| Sukhdev | so that one set of APIs is develped | 16:09 |
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| rkukura | were there other session ideas mentioned last week that haven’t been added yet? | 16:10 |
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| Sukhdev | I am not aware of any | 16:10 |
| rkukura | I guess the extension enforcement one, or future of ML2 | 16:10 |
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| Sukhdev | I think may be appropriate to hold an ML2 session - | 16:11 |
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| Sukhdev | and cover multiple topics in there | 16:11 |
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| rkukura | I just added one | 16:12 |
| rkukura | Any other ideas in the works? | 16:13 |
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| rkukura | OK… | 16:14 |
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| rkukura | #topic Port binding and migration | 16:14 |
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| rkukura | I still don’t see scheuran | 16:14 |
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| rkukura | scheuran reminded me yesterday that I had promised to dig up links to the DVR distributed port cleanup/generalization work I was doing about a year ago, so I added these to the agenda | 16:15 |
| rkukura | anyone else have anything on this topic? | 16:16 |
| rkukura | if not… | 16:16 |
| rkukura | #topic Open Discussion | 16:16 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: sorry, I ended up working late last Wednesday and Thursday evenings, so didn’t get a chance to meet up for beers | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | I figured :-) | 16:17 |
| rkukura | We’ll have to do that in Austin instead :) | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | yup | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | I am going out for beer this evening with bunch of neutron cores :-) | 16:18 |
| rkukura | Nice | 16:18 |
| yamamoto | i have a question | 16:18 |
| rkukura | yamamoto: sure, go ahead | 16:19 |
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| yamamoto | is there any recommended way for MD to update status of resources? | 16:19 |
| yamamoto | i'm thinking about this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298502/1/midonet/neutron/ml2/mech_driver.py | 16:19 |
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| Kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 30 17:07:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:07 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:07 |
| Kiall | Beat you do it mugsie :P | 17:07 |
| mugsie | #chair mugsie | 17:07 |
| Kiall | -1 - We've gone over them a few times, but not a full review | 17:07 |
| Kiall | #chair mugsie | 17:07 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Kiall mugsie | 17:07 |
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| mugsie | so, one to keep, one to remove | 17:08 |
| mugsie | elarson: timsim pglass ? | 17:08 |
| elarson | o/ | 17:08 |
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| timsim | I'm +1, I think there's some good potential to improve here. | 17:08 |
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| mugsie | is elarson running emacs on windows now? | 17:08 |
| Kiall | Fair enough, so. Keep and move to the next ;) | 17:08 |
| elarson | +1 | 17:09 |
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| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1281128 | 17:09 |
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| mugsie | Storage's find_tenants method signature differs from the other find_* methods Edit | 17:09 |
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| openstack | Launchpad bug 1281128 in Designate "Storage's find_tenants method signature differs from the other find_* methods" [Low,Triaged] - Assigned to Endre Karlson (endre-karlson) | 17:10 |
| elarson | is it just b/c criterion isn't there? | 17:10 |
| mugsie | I am not really sure if this is a big deal - what critereion should we be passing? | 17:10 |
| Kiall | +1, easy cleanup - low hanging fruit tag | 17:10 |
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| elarson | that just means you don't support a criterion | 17:10 |
| mugsie | Kiall: what shoud we be filtering on? | 17:10 |
| Kiall | yea, and paging etc | 17:10 |
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| Kiall | e.g. you might want to find all tenants with more than 100 zones | 17:11 |
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| mugsie | thats not low hanging fruit ;) | 17:11 |
| timsim | eh +1 Kiall's right lowlowlow | 17:11 |
| rsyed | to be used by the reporting resources? +1 i suppose | 17:11 |
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| elarson | Kiall: I agree that it could be helpful but generally it seems better let python arguments tell the user that isn't supported than having the same signature and doing in the function / method | 17:12 |
| mugsie | I think we should suipport paging anyway | 17:12 |
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| mugsie | so, that should be added | 17:12 |
| Kiall | elarson: well, we would implement the feature rather than just raise NotImplemented | 17:12 |
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| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1289344 | 17:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1289344 in Designate "*_at fields time precision is ignored by database" [Low,Confirmed] - Assigned to sonu (sonu-bhumca11) | 17:12 |
| Kiall | i.e. it's less about the signature, more about the missiong functionality the sig diff represents | 17:13 |
| elarson | Kiall: right, so I'd say make a ticket for the feature then. | 17:13 |
| elarson | :badoosh: :+1: | 17:13 |
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| mugsie | this is a mySQL thing right? | 17:13 |
| mugsie | or sqlite | 17:13 |
| Kiall | mysql for sure, not sure about sqlite | 17:13 |
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| pglass | +1 | 17:14 |
| Kiall | but.. create API call .. "created at .... .123", fetch call, "created at .... .000" | 17:14 |
| federico3 | I should test that while moving the tests to mysql | 17:14 |
| anteaya | meetbot is back | 17:14 |
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| mugsie | so, we should be set our precission to seconds | 17:14 |
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| Kiall | +1, though the fix is likely to just show seconds | 17:14 |
| elarson | Kiall: +1 | 17:14 |
| timsim | +1 | 17:14 |
| rsyed | +1 | 17:14 |
| Kiall | Cool, another keep - LHF or not? Hard to know | 17:15 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1294173 | 17:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1294173 in Designate "Missing documentation for NDS4 backend" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to sonu (sonu-bhumca11) | 17:15 |
| Kiall | wow IRC lag | 17:15 |
| timsim | Probably not LHF | 17:15 |
| Kiall | close - we don't have a NSD backend anymore, or do we? | 17:15 |
| mugsie | we do | 17:15 |
| timsim | https://github.com/openstack/designate/blob/master/designate/backend/impl_nsd4.py | 17:16 |
| Kiall | Oh, in that case. | 17:16 |
| mugsie | +1 | 17:16 |
| rsyed | related: is there a process to unassign these if there hasn't been activity in some time? so fresh eyes could take a look at it rather than languishing with no updates | 17:16 |
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| elarson | the ticket is actually for NDS4 so maybe they were using their portable gaming system for dns | 17:16 |
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| timsim | #dadjokes | 17:16 |
| pglass | i think you're in the process rsyed | 17:16 |
| mugsie | rsyed: I am doing that as we go through | 17:16 |
| elarson | h5 timsim! | 17:16 |
| Kiall | Anyway, +1 - we should go for it. | 17:16 |
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| rsyed | mugsie: thanks for clarifying! | 17:16 |
| timsim | +1 | 17:16 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1112866 | 17:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1112866 in Designate "Add DNS configuration examples for Quantum + multiple tenants" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to sonu (sonu-bhumca11) | 17:17 |
| mugsie | +1 | 17:17 |
| mugsie | -1* | 17:17 |
| timsim | Quantum :P | 17:17 |
| Kiall | -1 - use case replaced in mitaka with mlavalle's work | 17:17 |
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| timsim | We're running an operational OpenStack Folsom.... | 17:17 |
| timsim | -1 lol | 17:17 |
| * Kiall may or may not had ran Diablo. | 17:17 | |
| elarson | -1 I don't even know what those are and will have to google ;) | 17:17 |
| * rsyed thought kiall was referring to the game | 17:18 | |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1366107 | 17:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1366107 in Designate "SQLAlchemy Storage Backend keeps stale / inconsistent data" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Federico Ceratto (federico-ceratto) | 17:18 |
| Kiall | (Diablo - released Sep 22, 2011) | 17:18 |
| mugsie | Kiall: you moved this from Fix Commited ? | 17:19 |
| Kiall | ehh, I think I derp'd | 17:19 |
| Kiall | It's merged | 17:19 |
| elarson | done! | 17:19 |
| federico3 | and then to triaged again tho? | 17:19 |
| Kiall | double derp'd? | 17:19 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1390370 | 17:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1390370 in Designate "sync-domains generates 504 error due MessagingTimeout error" [Low,Confirmed] - Assigned to Abhilash Goyal (abhilash-goyal) | 17:19 |
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| mugsie | -1 | 17:20 |
| Kiall | -1, sync is depricated - if it's not, it should be | 17:20 |
| mugsie | well that whole API is | 17:20 |
| timsim | -1 | 17:20 |
| elarson | -1 | 17:20 |
| federico3 | -1 | 17:20 |
| timsim | You can do that with an empty patch now I think :troll: | 17:20 |
| Kiall | mugsie: true | 17:20 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1411717 | 17:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1411717 in Designate "Service Fixture in Unit Tests Does not Stop Service" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Endre Karlson (endre-karlson) | 17:21 |
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| Kiall | +1, it's a real bug in the tests that we're fluking our was past near as I can tell. | 17:22 |
| timsim | I thought someone did something on this at some point | 17:22 |
| rsyed | very specific | 17:22 |
| Kiall | ekarlso started, and it broke all the tests | 17:22 |
| Kiall | all of them. | 17:22 |
| timsim | welp | 17:22 |
| Kiall | assign to paul, RUN. ;) | 17:23 |
| mugsie | I am going to remove endre anyway | 17:23 |
| Kiall | Anyway, jokes aside, +1 | 17:23 |
| timsim | Just kill those tests, then no problem | 17:23 |
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| mugsie | ++ | 17:23 |
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| elarson | +1 timsim | 17:23 |
| Kiall | all the tests? You have me | 17:23 |
| rsyed | timsim you'll make PTL in no time with an attitude like that | 17:23 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1412615 | 17:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1412615 in Designate "Make PM call backends methods in parallel" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Kiall Mac Innes (kiall) | 17:23 |
| mugsie | there is even a patch :) | 17:24 |
| mugsie | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148399/ | 17:24 |
| Kiall | Unsure, in theory it makes a difference, but.. does it? | 17:24 |
| mugsie | its not a "high" anyway | 17:24 |
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| elarson | not a high | 17:24 |
| timsim | Worker model does this. It's pretty good. | 17:24 |
| elarson | I think timsim's worker model will be a better tactic | 17:24 |
| mugsie | med & triaged | 17:24 |
| pglass | -1 because worker model? | 17:25 |
| mugsie | yeah | 17:25 |
| rsyed | given committment to redoing things with worker model, would you need to make incremental improvements like this? | 17:25 |
| Kiall | ^ ... close | 17:25 |
| rsyed | (too much typing, -1 ) | 17:25 |
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| mugsie | ok, we have a lot of -1s | 17:25 |
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| mugsie | anyone really want it to stay? | 17:25 |
| federico3 | nah | 17:25 |
| timsim | Probably best not to rock the fragile pool manager boat | 17:25 |
| elarson | rsyed: I'd expect to implement pieces as worker model, then factor out generalizations in worker tasks | 17:25 |
| Kiall | Sold, for -1. | 17:26 |
| mugsie | wont fix | 17:26 |
| mugsie | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1412977 | 17:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1412977 in Designate "RPC code overrides a private method of Oslo's Dispatcher class" [Critical,Triaged] | 17:26 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1412977 | 17:26 |
| mugsie | haha | 17:26 |
| mugsie | this is kind of importanty | 17:26 |
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| mugsie | and we have ignored it for .... a while | 17:26 |
| rsyed | elarson i was basically trying to say do you want to throw away work knowing that worker model will strive to better the process in the long term | 17:26 |
| mugsie | about a year at this point :P | 17:26 |
| Kiall | Yea, that really needs us to figure out a fix before olso shoot us. | 17:27 |
| Kiall | So, +1 | 17:27 |
| timsim | +1 | 17:27 |
| elarson | ugh... what happened to we're all adults in python :( | 17:27 |
| rsyed | +1, seems legit | 17:27 |
| mugsie | elarson: you havent been here long have you | 17:27 |
| Kiall | elarson: we are, but, they won't stop a release when they change that API and break us | 17:28 |
| Kiall | while if we find a proper way, they will hold a release etc | 17:28 |
| elarson | Kiall: ok, fair enough | 17:28 |
| pglass | +1 | 17:28 |
| mugsie | kept | 17:28 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1413806 | 17:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1413806 in Designate "designate.plugin.DriverPlugin Hides Errors from Developers" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to sonu (sonu-bhumca11) | 17:28 |
| Kiall | Is this still valid? | 17:29 |
| mugsie | this is a stevedore thing | 17:29 |
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| mugsie | not really - i have tried a new backend with invalid config | 17:29 |
| timsim | booo stevedore | 17:29 |
| Kiall | I kinda suspect stevedore fixed things a while back | 17:29 |
| mugsie | so, -/+1 ? | 17:30 |
| timsim | -1 | 17:30 |
| rsyed | validate first? | 17:30 |
| elarson | -1 it is really a stevedore fix | 17:30 |
| rsyed | validate it's a problem, then submit an issue to stevedore rather than ignoring it? unless noc, then -1 | 17:30 |
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| mugsie | i would erron the side of closing it, and openeing a new one if we find it | 17:30 |
| rsyed | fair enough | 17:31 |
| mugsie | it has been open for over a year -_- | 17:31 |
| Kiall | rsyed: yea, lets just validate it. raise an exception during a plugin's init and we'll know | 17:31 |
| timsim | I've never encountered that | 17:31 |
| mugsie | Kiall: you want to validate? | 17:31 |
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| timsim | assign to Kiall - done :P | 17:31 |
| elarson | rsyed: seemed interested... :) | 17:32 |
| rsyed | maybe no one saw it because no one touched backend recently | 17:32 |
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| Kiall | ^'s my thinking too :) | 17:32 |
| mugsie | rsyed: if you are interested, i can keep it open :) | 17:32 |
| rsyed | mugsie haha i guess i've been voluntold | 17:32 |
| mugsie | :D | 17:32 |
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| elarson | rsyed++ for good wordmakinguppery | 17:33 |
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| mugsie | rsyed: what is your launchpad username? | 17:33 |
| rsyed | rahman-syed (or rahman-syed-w i think) | 17:33 |
| elarson | rsyed: you missed your chance to say `kiall` | 17:34 |
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| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1432839 | 17:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1432839 in Designate "Calling find_domain in any v1 operation is sub-optimal" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Endre Karlson (endre-karlson) | 17:34 |
| mugsie | +1 | 17:34 |
| mugsie | -1* | 17:34 |
| mugsie | anyone else? | 17:34 |
| Kiall | "Depricated" (as Graham says) API, so... I'd say -1 | 17:35 |
| elarson | -1 | 17:35 |
| timsim | -1 | 17:35 |
| rsyed | -1 | 17:35 |
| rsyed | depreciated | 17:35 |
| Kiall | whel then, that's a resounding 01. | 17:35 |
| Kiall | -1* | 17:35 |
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| federico3 | -1 indeed | 17:35 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1432842 | 17:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1432842 in Designate "Property setters dont work." [Low,Triaged] - Assigned to megha (tmegha247) | 17:35 |
| timsim | this is on designate objects? | 17:36 |
| mugsie | yeah | 17:36 |
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| timsim | --for some of these bug descriptions | 17:36 |
| Kiall | 1) is it still valid? 2) We've not had a use case in what, a year, so... -1? | 17:36 |
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| elarson | -1 | 17:36 |
| timsim | -1 | 17:36 |
| rsyed | -1 i think | 17:36 |
| Kiall | timsim: It's OK, i remember *exactly* what it is ;) | 17:37 |
| mugsie | gone | 17:37 |
| mugsie | so do i | 17:37 |
| mugsie | but I managed to work around it :P | 17:37 |
| timsim | perfect, hope no one gets hit by a bus | 17:37 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1433726 | 17:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1433726 in Designate "Allow batch insertion of instance-associated IPs (as though via sink)" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 17:37 |
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| mugsie | should move to a bp imho | 17:38 |
| mugsie | blueprint | 17:38 |
| Kiall | yea, kinda falls into any batch operations | 17:38 |
| timsim | yep | 17:38 |
| elarson | +1 for bp | 17:38 |
| rsyed | agreed | 17:39 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1436210 | 17:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1436210 in Designate "Multiple serial update notifications are not buffered " [High,In progress] - Assigned to Federico Ceratto (federico-ceratto) | 17:39 |
| Kiall | +1 - need to cycle back to this at some point. | 17:39 |
| mugsie | +1 | 17:39 |
| mugsie | I am moving to triaged and removing federico3 for the time being | 17:40 |
| federico3 | yep, we should discuss a bit more how to implement that | 17:40 |
| mugsie | that OK? | 17:40 |
| timsim | +1 | 17:40 |
| elarson | +1 | 17:40 |
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| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1437495 | 17:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1437495 in Designate "sink documenation should explain usage alongside ceilometer" [Low,Triaged] - Assigned to Pradeep Kumar Singh (pradeep-singh-u) | 17:40 |
| Kiall | though, it's likely not high anymore since the part that landed is removing the core issue | 17:40 |
| Kiall | wow.. IRC LAB | 17:40 |
| Kiall | LAG* | 17:40 |
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| timsim | sink-- | 17:41 |
| mugsie | freenode is having a bad day | 17:41 |
| federico3 | it might be medium or low | 17:41 |
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| mugsie | it is low, I think we should have the docs | 17:41 |
| rsyed | +1 a little docs never hurt anyone | 17:41 |
| Kiall | re sink+ceil docs, we really should doc that. | 17:41 |
| mugsie | i am +1 | 17:41 |
| elarson | if sink isn't going away, then +1 for docs | 17:42 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1442141 | 17:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1442141 in Designate "designate-api Throws Error on stop()" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Graham Hayes (grahamhayes) | 17:42 |
| mugsie | this joy | 17:42 |
| mugsie | +1 | 17:42 |
| mugsie | need to remove myself | 17:42 |
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| timsim | +1 | 17:42 |
| rsyed | +1, except i'm missing context about why it's been around so long. just been low priority? | 17:42 |
| mugsie | ended up deep in eventlet code the last time | 17:42 |
| elarson | it is a rabbit hole | 17:43 |
| elarson | but +1 | 17:43 |
| mugsie | rsyed: yeah - everything works, just on stop it spits out a stack trace | 17:43 |
| Kiall | a endless black hole -_- | 17:43 |
| rsyed | right, i encounter it in local dev frequently | 17:43 |
| mugsie | so, looking at eventlet got less urgent the more I looked | 17:43 |
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| mugsie | so, kep | 17:44 |
| mugsie | keep* | 17:44 |
| Kiall | +1 | 17:44 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1442699 | 17:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1442699 in Designate "Add admin endpoint to the list of versions" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Mimi Lee (mimi-lee) | 17:44 |
| mugsie | +1 from me | 17:44 |
| rsyed | +1, consistency is nice | 17:44 |
| Kiall | +1 from me, but.. only for admin users | 17:44 |
| timsim | yeah gate on policy | 17:44 |
| elarson | +1 | 17:44 |
| mugsie | removing mimi + setting to trigaed | 17:44 |
| timsim | RIP mimi | 17:45 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1456115 | 17:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1456115 in Designate "DesignateContext.is_admin is false on admin tenant" [Undecided,Incomplete] - Assigned to stanzgy (stanzgy) | 17:45 |
| Kiall | lol - thats just wrong timsim. she's just not at RAX anymore! | 17:45 |
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| timsim | same thing Kiall | 17:45 |
| mugsie | -1 | 17:45 |
| timsim | -1 | 17:45 |
| * elarson pours out his 40 for mimi | 17:45 | |
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| Kiall | -1, that flag only exists as a signal to oslo.policy | 17:46 |
| Kiall | We should doc it tho. | 17:46 |
| Kiall | (even an inline doc string ..) | 17:46 |
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| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1459554 | 17:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1459554 in Designate "X-Auth-Sudo-Tenant-ID header not work for create subdomains" [High,In progress] - Assigned to stanzgy (stanzgy) | 17:46 |
| elarson | Kiall: +1 to doc that bit | 17:46 |
| elarson | at the very least | 17:46 |
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| Kiall | mugsie: I'm not sure on this one. | 17:47 |
| mugsie | i am +1 kinda | 17:47 |
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| rsyed | i was gonna vote -1, but then felt that validation would at least be nice | 17:47 |
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| Kiall | I mean, it kinda makes sense. But isn't really "sudo" anymore | 17:47 |
| mugsie | yeah, thats where my -1 thoughts come from | 17:47 |
| Kiall | i.e. `sudo -u graham -i rm -rf /home/kiall` should not work | 17:48 |
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| mugsie | I know the problem they were trying to fix | 17:48 |
| Kiall | and, that's basically what A) happened today, and B) this is asking for | 17:48 |
| mugsie | but not sure we should support it | 17:48 |
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| Kiall | (I may or may not have some bash history from today that looks like this: root@kiall-z620:/home/kiall# rm -rf * ^C) | 17:49 |
| elarson | it seems like a user that has a role in policy.json should have that power, and not do the sudo bits | 17:49 |
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| Kiall | elarson: yea, that's probably the solution. | 17:49 |
| federico3 | +1 elarson | 17:49 |
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| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1457100 | 17:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1457100 in python-designateclient "pbr version conflict" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 17:50 |
| mugsie | this is not a problem anymore right? | 17:51 |
| timsim | -1 | 17:51 |
| elarson | I can't imagine it is | 17:51 |
| timsim | yeah I haven't seen that in forever | 17:51 |
| elarson | -1 | 17:51 |
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| Kiall | Yea, we're about 100 versions ahead at this point so, -1 | 17:51 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1461213 | 17:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461213 in Designate "dashboard record creation should only prompt for left-most label" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Eric Peterson (ericpeterson-l) | 17:52 |
| mugsie | i think that merged | 17:52 |
| Kiall | fixed already? | 17:52 |
| timsim | -1 then! | 17:52 |
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| elarson | +1 to timsim -1! | 17:52 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1462022 | 17:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1462022 in Designate "designate-dashboard should help users with FIP selection" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Eric Peterson (ericpeterson-l) | 17:52 |
| mugsie | this was definitly done | 17:53 |
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| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1462428 | 17:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1462428 in Designate "project _memeber_ type users cannot read their quotas" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pradeep Kumar Singh (pradeep-singh-u) | 17:53 |
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| Kiall | +1, I think | 17:54 |
| mugsie | +1 | 17:54 |
| rsyed | he links v1 quotas; this isn't true for v2 quotas at least is it? | 17:54 |
| mugsie | oh | 17:54 |
| mugsie | yeah | 17:54 |
| Kiall | Yea, it's in central | 17:54 |
| mugsie | hum | 17:54 |
| mugsie | Policy check failed for rule 'all_tenants' on target {} | 17:55 |
| Kiall | I think | 17:55 |
| mugsie | all_tenants seems to be the issue | 17:55 |
| rsyed | (i feel we're good with users hitting v2 quotas without policy customization, but not 100%) | 17:55 |
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| rsyed | oh | 17:55 |
| * elarson seems to remember the policy check happening in the api and central... | 17:55 | |
| pglbutt | +1 | 17:55 |
| mugsie | i am not sure why the quotas would need all_tenants | 17:55 |
| rsyed | +1 | 17:56 |
| Kiall | it prevents storage filtering to the current project, so admins can change other projects quotas | 17:56 |
| Kiall | i.e. it's a code-smell where we reused all_tenants for something slightly different | 17:56 |
| mugsie | ah, then +1 | 17:56 |
| elarson | +1 | 17:56 |
| timsim | +1 | 17:56 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1472065 | 17:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1472065 in Designate "Outdated doc for Kilo about configuring powerdns backend" [Medium,Triaged] | 17:57 |
| Kiall | lol -1 | 17:57 |
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| timsim | bye felicia | 17:57 |
| rsyed | -1 since we said the same for an earlier sync-related bug | 17:57 |
| Kiall | federico3 and mugsie updated Liberty and Mitaka docs, so, I don't expect anyone is installing Kilo anymore. | 17:57 |
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| elarson | -1 | 17:57 |
| Kiall | (At least, I think they did) | 17:57 |
| mugsie | well, my patch is still waiting reviews :P | 17:58 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1493001 | 17:58 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1493001 in Designate "Designate_plugin for NSD4 backend not found for devstack environment." [Low,Triaged] | 17:58 |
| Kiall | i.e. NSD4 isn't implemented as a plugin to our devstack plugin ;) | 17:58 |
| timsim | -1, if someone wants to elevate that backend to better status, this would be part of it. | 17:59 |
| elarson | -1 | 17:59 |
| timsim | But not a bug per se | 17:59 |
| rsyed | -1 timsim's comment makes sense | 17:59 |
| elarson | who runs dns on a gameboy anyway ;) #dadjokes2016 | 17:59 |
| Kiall | +1 all backends should have devstack support IMO - but, Wishlish to indicate it's a feature | 17:59 |
| federico3 | yep | 17:59 |
| elarson | +1 to wishlist | 17:59 |
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| Kiall | also - LHF | 18:00 |
| mugsie | wishlist + opinion | 18:00 |
| mugsie | so, we are out of time :( | 18:00 |
| elarson | the gameboy gpu is really good with dns wireformat | 18:00 |
| mugsie | do peope want to continue in #openstack-dns ? | 18:00 |
| rsyed | thanks meetbot | 18:00 |
| Kiall | Ah, outta time. | 18:00 |
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| elarson | mugsie: seems like a legit plan | 18:00 |
| Kiall | Yea, spose we will finish the list | 18:00 |
| mugsie | and let amrith + cp16net get on with thier meeting | 18:00 |
| Kiall | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 30 18:00:50 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-03-30-17.07.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-03-30-17.07.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-03-30-17.07.log.html | 18:00 |
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| amrith | thx mugsie Kiall #designate | 18:01 |
| cp16net | thanks mugsie | 18:01 |
| amrith | #startmeeting trove | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 30 18:01:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amrith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:01 |
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| amrith | anyone here for Trove meeting? | 18:01 |
| cp16net | howdy everyone | 18:01 |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:01 |
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| amrith | howdy cp16net | 18:01 |
| johnma | hi | 18:01 |
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| tosky | hi | 18:02 |
| imandhan | hi | 18:02 |
| amrith | I'll give folks a minute to come in, and then since we have a longish meeting, I'm going to be relying on pastebombs :) | 18:02 |
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| pmackinn | o/ | 18:03 |
| dloi | o/ | 18:03 |
| amrith | In the interest of everyone's time, let's | 18:03 |
| amrith | get started. | 18:03 |
| amrith | we have a quorum | 18:03 |
| amrith | #topic follow-up on action items. | 18:03 |
| mvandijk_ | ./ | 18:03 |
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| amrith | not in the order in which they appear, but ... | 18:03 |
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| amrith | flaper87 to WF+1 the patches https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262289/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262287/ | 18:04 |
| amrith | done but they are hung up in the gate, that'll clear shortly. | 18:04 |
| tellesnobrega | o; | 18:04 |
| tellesnobrega | o/ | 18:04 |
| amrith | cp16net reply to trove-dashboard ML question for RC2 | 18:04 |
| amrith | cp16net, that was done, yes? | 18:04 |
| amrith | yes, I see his email. We also cut an RC2. good ... | 18:04 |
| amrith | And this one is (had better be) done, it will merge as soon as we get the gate fixed, more about that later. | 18:05 |
| amrith | [all] please review changes https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262289/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262287/, and | 18:05 |
| amrith | link http://openstack.markmail.org/thread/jepcqu335mrb5c7l in agenda and update the reviews | 18:05 |
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| amrith | other action items were for the entire team, please follow through. | 18:05 |
| amrith | #action [all] If you have a patch set that you intend to resume work on, please put an update in it to that effect | 18:05 |
| amrith | so we don't go abandon it under you ... | 18:05 |
| amrith | #action [all] if any of the abandoned patches looks like something you would like to pick up feel free | 18:05 |
| amrith | #action [all] If you have a patch set that you intend to resume work on, please put an update in it to that effect | 18:05 |
| amrith | #action [all] if any of the abandoned patches looks like something you would like to pick up feel free | 18:05 |
| amrith | Those two remain ... | 18:05 |
| amrith | Anyone else have anything to add on last week's action items? | 18:06 |
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| amrith | ok, I guess not. I'll just assume that my internet connection is working :) | 18:07 |
| cp16net | amrith: yes it was released and i guess i forgot to press send on the email | 18:07 |
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| amrith | #action [cp16net] press "send" on the email | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | o/ | 18:07 |
| cp16net | :-P | 18:07 |
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| amrith | hi nikhil. | 18:07 |
| amrith | let's see, moving on to the next item | 18:08 |
| amrith | #topic Trove pulse update | 18:08 |
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| amrith | #link http://bit.ly/1VQyg00 | 18:08 |
| amrith | We've seen a drop in the number of reviews and the queue continues to grow. Please take time to review the (long | 18:08 |
| amrith | list) of outstanding patches. Some have been around for quite a while. | 18:08 |
| nikhil | hi amrith | 18:08 |
| cp16net | amrith: sent | 18:08 |
| amrith | sorry, wrong nikhil ... I meant SlickNik :) | 18:08 |
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| nikhil | oh the other nikhil | 18:08 |
| nikhil | :) | 18:08 |
| amrith | you are always welcome to stay nikhil ... | 18:09 |
| nikhil | :) | 18:09 |
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| amrith | as we're at the end of the release cycle and not yet going full steam ahead on Newton, I guess there is a slight lull in patches. This is a good time to get caught up on reviews though ... | 18:09 |
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| amrith | Nothing more from me re: pulse update. Anyone else have anything to add? | 18:09 |
| amrith | awfully quiet crowd today | 18:10 |
| amrith | #topic Announcements - Newton release schedule published | 18:10 |
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| amrith | Agenda item says it all. This also means that Mitaka is almost done. A couple of small things to tie up (thanks cp16net). | 18:11 |
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| amrith | We know the schedule for Newton a long time ahead of Newton and we should try and learn from the issues we faced in Mitaka. | 18:11 |
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| amrith | I've summarized some of the things I learned. | 18:11 |
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| cp16net | np | 18:11 |
| amrith | Anything else others would like to add to the list? | 18:11 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:11 |
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| amrith | go ahead dougshelley66 | 18:11 |
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| amrith | or you were just saying hello, ok. | 18:12 |
| dougshelley66 | sorry i was just noting that i was here...late :) | 18:12 |
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| amrith | Here's the list of what I learned | 18:13 |
| amrith | If we want to push any code into OSLO, R-6 is a hard deadline. | 18:13 |
| amrith | R-5, is the hard freeze for the python-troveclient. We must get all new functionality we need in the client into a version by that date or it won't be available for the release. | 18:13 |
| amrith | we got into trouble with this for module management, because we thought the FFE extended to the client. | 18:13 |
| amrith | R-5 is the target date by which all new functionality should be in, you need to request FFE's for anything that does not merge by that date | 18:13 |
| amrith | R-3 is the RC1 target date, not a hard date. In the Mitaka cycle, I mistakenly believed that R-3 is a hard RC1 date. My mistake. | 18:13 |
| amrith | Then there's a bunch of procedural stuff that goes into cutting the branches and stuff, and that's something I intend to write up so everyone knows what it is. | 18:14 |
| amrith | and where the bodies are buried. | 18:14 |
| amrith | Anything else others would like to add to the list? | 18:14 |
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| SlickNik | amrith: This (the hard freeze with the client) puts us in a precarious situation, since our int-test model depends on the client binding being there. | 18:15 |
| cp16net | also reminder to update blueprints and bugs before release is cut | 18:15 |
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| amrith | SlickNik, yes. We are certainly in an awkward position with that. | 18:15 |
| amrith | our approach of testing with the tarball has gotten us into trouble, and has also been a boon | 18:15 |
| cp16net | but bp/bug management can be done after i found out as well. | 18:16 |
| amrith | yes, but I guess we're getting close to the window on that allowable period. | 18:16 |
| cp16net | re: the client i think that means we just need features earlier | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: ++ Something that we'll have to keep in mind for FFEs in the next cycle. | 18:17 |
| amrith | yes, and also that FFE's don't cover client :( | 18:17 |
| cp16net | yup | 18:17 |
| vkmc | o/ | 18:18 |
| amrith | hi vkmc, anything else others would like to add to the list? | 18:18 |
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| johnma | amrith: whatabout the trove-dashboard deadlines? | 18:18 |
| amrith | johnma, I believe trove-dashboard is not a client library. therefore the deadlines are along with trove | 18:19 |
| johnma | ok, sounds good | 18:19 |
| amrith | I've pushed to update the tags on that (release:managed) which will mean that the release team will bug us about it | 18:19 |
| amrith | in any event, if you have other questions abotu release schedule, let's be sure to talk early; maybe at summit. | 18:20 |
| amrith | and with that, let's move on | 18:20 |
| amrith | #topic Announcements - Getting rid of eventlet and replacing it with something else | 18:20 |
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| amrith | This went across the ML some days ago, figured I'd share it with the team. | 18:20 |
| amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164035/ | 18:20 |
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| amrith | If you have opinions and thoughts please post comments on the review. If you feel that they could impact Trove, | 18:21 |
| amrith | please share with the team. | 18:21 |
| amrith | Just an FYI for everyone, didn't plan to discuss this at length today. but if someone has concerns about it we could bring it back up at a future meeting. | 18:21 |
| amrith | moving along then ... | 18:21 |
| amrith | #topic Ongoing review of projects | 18:22 |
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| amrith | Please take a look at the agenda | 18:22 |
| amrith | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting#Trove_Meeting.2C_March_30.2C_2016 | 18:22 |
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| amrith | At the mid-cycle in Raleigh, one of the action items that we took away was that we should start tracking and | 18:22 |
| amrith | monitoring all projects under way to completion through the release cycle. I'm going to start this up with the | 18:22 |
| amrith | projects that we know are under way, and begin to highlight them so that people can focus time on reviewing them. | 18:22 |
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| amrith | FOR TODAY: The intent here is NOT to have each of you describe the status, rather to confirm that this list is | 18:22 |
| amrith | still correct for Newton. | 18:22 |
| amrith | In coming weeks we'll keep the focus on these projects and their respective reviews. | 18:22 |
| amrith | So please take a minute to look over the list and confirm whether it looks ok and if there are any omissions or corrections required. | 18:23 |
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| amrith | As and when BP's are ready, please let me know so we can stay on top of the reviews and get these projects moving | 18:23 |
| amrith | for Newton. | 18:23 |
| amrith | I'll wait a couple of minutes for y'all to look over the list | 18:23 |
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| amrith | [pmackinn] Separate trove image build project based on libguestfs tools | 18:24 |
| amrith | [tellesnóbrega/vkmc] Implementing CEPH as a backend for backups | 18:24 |
| amrith | [sonali/vkmc] Configuration Groups for Couchdb | 18:24 |
| amrith | [johnma] Enable CouchDB replication in Trove | 18:24 |
| amrith | [amrith] Add support for hbase in Trove | 18:24 |
| amrith | [peterstac] Locality for cluster/replication sets | 18:24 |
| amrith | [petmal] Couchbase clusters | 18:24 |
| amrith | [vgnbkr] Guest instance upgrade - BP coming | 18:24 |
| amrith | [petmal] PostgreSQL incremental backup/restore | 18:24 |
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| amrith | [petmal] PostgreSQL replication | 18:24 |
| amrith | [mvandijk] Associate volume-type with datastore | 18:24 |
| amrith | [vgnbkr] Multi-Region Support | 18:24 |
| amrith | what are we missing? are there things here that should not be on the list? | 18:24 |
| amrith | OK, since no one is saying anything, I'll assume that these projects are accurate and if there are new ones you'll add them. | 18:26 |
| pmackinn | amrith, these are "live" blueprints, correct? | 18:26 |
| vkmc | amrith, when is the deadline to propose bp/specs for Newton? | 18:26 |
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| amrith | pmackinn, what do you mean? trove-specs? | 18:26 |
| pmackinn | yes | 18:26 |
| amrith | good point | 18:26 |
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| amrith | please register a blueprint in LP | 18:26 |
| amrith | and please put the spec in trove-specs for newton | 18:26 |
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| amrith | vkmc, looking that up | 18:27 |
| amrith | one second | 18:27 |
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| vkmc | thx :) | 18:27 |
| pmackinn | amrith, got your design summit topic etherpad handy? | 18:27 |
| amrith | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 18:27 |
| johnma | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-newton-proposed-sessions | 18:28 |
| amrith | The deadline for all BP's is milestone 1 | 18:28 |
| johnma | is that what you were looking for pmackinn | 18:28 |
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| amrith | the feature freeze date is, I believe milestone 2 | 18:28 |
| amrith | cp16net, SlickNik is that correct? | 18:29 |
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| amrith | All features are to be in by milestone 3 | 18:29 |
| amrith | if any feature is not in by milestone 3, you need an FFE | 18:29 |
| amrith | so, the goal is that all BP's and specs should be ready by milestone-1 | 18:29 |
| amrith | vkmc, did that answer your question | 18:29 |
| cp16net | amrith: i had an artifical deadline i set last time to push for them to be in before | 18:29 |
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| vkmc | amrith, it did, thanks | 18:30 |
| amrith | pmackinn, was that the link you were looking for? | 18:30 |
| amrith | other questions? | 18:30 |
| amrith | comments | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | amrith: Feature Proposal Freeze is something that is enforced by the program teams ourselves | 18:30 |
| pmackinn | yup thanks | 18:31 |
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| amrith | SlickNik, yes. And in the Mitaka release, we'd pushed for that to be at or about milestone 1 | 18:31 |
| amrith | if I recall | 18:31 |
| johnma | so, milestone 1 - does that mean all BP's for NEwton need to be approved by then. | 18:31 |
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| amrith | johnma, yes that would be the goal | 18:31 |
| amrith | again, as SlickNik said, this is not mandated | 18:31 |
| amrith | this is something we're going to have to police for ourselves | 18:32 |
| johnma | is that our project specific deadline | 18:32 |
| johnma | oh ok | 18:32 |
| johnma | got it | 18:32 |
| amrith | but as a practical matter, if the specs aren't in by then, it makes it a rush at the end of the release cycle. | 18:32 |
| SlickNik | amrith: Yes, sounds right — it seemed to work pretty well to get bp reviews and such prioritized. | 18:32 |
| amrith | to get specs and code reviewed, and done on time. | 18:32 |
| SlickNik | bp and spec reviews. | 18:32 |
| cp16net | i agree with that it helped last time | 18:32 |
| amrith | so, as SlickNik points out, this helps us prioritize things and that was part of he motivation for the action item in the mid-cycle | 18:33 |
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| amrith | let's not get behind the 8-ball was, I believe, the thinking. | 18:33 |
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| amrith | other questions and comments ... | 18:33 |
| pmackinn | so, should there be specs up for any design summit topics? | 18:34 |
| pmackinn | for inclusion | 18:34 |
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| amrith | pmackinn, one of the things we found useful in the past is to have the team together and review/discuss some complicated reviews or specs | 18:34 |
| amrith | so if there is a particular project (say the one for guest images) which is wide ranging in scope | 18:34 |
| amrith | if there were a spec for review ahead of summit, it would be great to review there | 18:35 |
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| amrith | there may be projects (take the couchdb config group one) which may be merged by then | 18:35 |
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| amrith | but leaving those kinds of things aside, if you feel that having the team look at the project at summit is a benefit, having a spec out for review ahead of the summit would be awesome. you already have one so I think it'll be good to discuss there. | 18:36 |
| amrith | did I answer the question, or were you asking whether a spec was a requirement for a summit session? Answer: NO | 18:36 |
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| * pmackinn wonders if summit be organized as such | 18:37 | |
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| pmackinn | blocks of time boxes specifically for specs; others for pie in the sky | 18:37 |
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| * amrith thinks about pie | 18:37 | |
| pmackinn | mmmm pie | 18:37 |
| pmackinn | any who | 18:37 |
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| amrith | which brings us to | 18:38 |
| amrith | #topic Summit Planning | 18:38 |
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| amrith | sorry pmackinn, not pie | 18:38 |
| amrith | Please review the proposed sessions | 18:38 |
| amrith | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-newton-proposed-sessions | 18:38 |
| amrith | Please update your calendar for the various Trove sessions | 18:38 |
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| amrith | (WR1) Wednesday 0950 to 1030 | 18:39 |
| amrith | (WR2) Wednesday 1350 to 1430 | 18:39 |
| amrith | (WR3) Wednesday 1530 to 1610 | 18:39 |
| amrith | (WR4) Thursday 1150 to 1230 | 18:39 |
| amrith | (WR5) Thursday 1330 to 1410 | 18:39 |
| amrith | (WR6) Thursday 1420 to 1500 | 18:39 |
| amrith | (FB1) Wednesday 1720 to 1800 | 18:39 |
| amrith | (FB2) Thursday 0950 to 1030 | 18:39 |
| amrith | (FB3) Thursday 1100 to 1140 | 18:39 |
| amrith | (CM) Friday 0900 to 1230. | 18:39 |
| amrith | I'll work on putting sessions together from the etherpad | 18:39 |
| amrith | and should have something for next weeks meeting. | 18:39 |
| amrith | Nothing more from me on this, anyone else have anything to add? | 18:39 |
| cp16net | re: the session that flaper87 added i think the guys at ebay were interested in it as well last cycle but have not heard from them in a while | 18:39 |
| cp16net | that was re: containers | 18:39 |
| amrith | cp16net, yes. | 18:40 |
| amrith | I would like to attend that session as well. | 18:40 |
| amrith | That is an example of a project for which a BP ahead of summit would be good. | 18:40 |
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| amrith | I've spent some time researching that and it is non-trivial. I have a working prototype (maybe a year old now) | 18:41 |
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| amrith | and as we discussed in Raleigh, superconductor has something good to bring to that problem as well. | 18:41 |
| cp16net | amrith: you will be able to fill in the details of the sessions for each time slot | 18:41 |
| amrith | cp16net, I'll do that (hopefully) by next week. | 18:41 |
| amrith | There are a lot of sessions that I'd like to merge and in some cases move around. | 18:42 |
| amrith | ok, unless someone has other things to add, lets move on. | 18:43 |
| pmackinn | SlickNik, was think of putting up a collab gdoc on superconductor, starting with your ideas | 18:43 |
| amrith | pmackinn, why not an etherpad or a review? | 18:43 |
| pmackinn | PICTURES | 18:43 |
| amrith | I hesitate to go near gdoc for something like this ... | 18:43 |
| pmackinn | BOXES and LINES | 18:43 |
| amrith | oh, pictures | 18:43 |
| amrith | good point | 18:43 |
| pmackinn | and emojis | 18:43 |
| amrith | sure | 18:43 |
| amrith | go for it | 18:44 |
| cp16net | i think i figured out how to add pictures to a spec | 18:44 |
| pmackinn | O-<-< | 18:44 |
| pmackinn | uml actor ^^ | 18:44 |
| amrith | <just kidding> #action cp16net to share how to add pictures to a spec :) | 18:44 |
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| cp16net | i mentioned in the spec for multiregion support that vgnbkr put up | 18:44 |
| cp16net | i'll make a test spec to and see if it works. | 18:45 |
| pmackinn | can one edit the diagrams in a spec? | 18:45 |
| SlickNik | pmackinn: Sounds good — we can distill what we have in the collab doc and propose a BP once we're at that stage (and when cp16net shows us his magic). | 18:45 |
| amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294213/ | 18:45 |
| cp16net | yeah... .. image:: myimage.jpg | 18:45 |
| cp16net | and check in the image | 18:45 |
| amrith | #action pmackinn to put up a google-doc for the superconductor session at summit | 18:45 |
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| amrith | let's move on, we have a couple of more things to cover today. | 18:46 |
| amrith | #topic Planning for mid-cycle | 18:46 |
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| amrith | I've put out a proposal for R-7 week, in the NYC area. R-7 is based in part on feedback from earlier mid-cycles; | 18:46 |
| amrith | too early, too late. Does this work for folks? I'm making it NYC area because there is an OpenStack East Days event | 18:46 |
| amrith | in NYC that week and it'll be fun to go to that as well. | 18:46 |
| amrith | This is informational at this point, I've tentatively got someone who'll host the mid-cycle in that location so | 18:46 |
| amrith | fingers crossed. Once that is confirmed, I'll share with the team. | 18:46 |
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| pmackinn | Aug 22-26? sounds good | 18:47 |
| amrith | R-7 week is Aug 22-26 | 18:47 |
| amrith | yes, pmackinn I just realized that I should get the dates too :) | 18:47 |
| amrith | so, for now please pencil that date into your calendars .. | 18:48 |
| amrith | if you have a hard conflict with that date, please email me or something | 18:48 |
| amrith | and moving along. | 18:48 |
| amrith | #topic Recent instability in the gate | 18:48 |
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| amrith | On March 28th, Routes 2.3 was released. This caused problems for Trove and Neutron. | 18:49 |
| amrith | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/trove/+bug/1563028 | 18:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1563028 in Trove "Routes version 2.3 broke the way we register routes" [Critical,Fix released] - Assigned to Amrith (amrith) | 18:49 |
| amrith | The change that caused this (in Routes) is | 18:49 |
| amrith | #link https://github.com/bbangert/routes/commit/0a417004be7e2d950bdcd629ccf24cf9f56ef817 | 18:49 |
| amrith | We now have fixes merged for master and the merge for stable/mitaka is ongoing. | 18:49 |
| amrith | We also found that Trove's CI jobs don't respect upper-constraints.txt. This means that we are more susceptible to | 18:49 |
| amrith | breaking changes caused by any of the modules we use from pypi. See the ML posting this AM for more about upper- | 18:49 |
| amrith | constraints.txt | 18:49 |
| amrith | (thanks to those of you who helped review these changes; sorry for the number of iterations) | 18:49 |
| amrith | #link http://openstack.markmail.org/thread/m2vqrgrftr5cjuai | 18:49 |
| amrith | We've now got changes going in for master, mitaka, and liberty to respect upper-constraints.txt which should make | 18:49 |
| amrith | our gate jobs more stable. | 18:49 |
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| amrith | I figured I'd share this with the team in case y'all were wondering what was up with the gate. | 18:50 |
| vkmc | +1 thanks for working on that amrith | 18:50 |
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| amrith | thx vkmc. anyone have questions about this | 18:51 |
| johnma | so amrith, all these patches related to those changes need to be merged by when? | 18:51 |
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| johnma | there still a number of patches related to this still open for reviews. is it something that needs to be reviewed soon | 18:51 |
| amrith | by today so we can surely get rc2 tagged by tomorrow | 18:51 |
| johnma | ok | 18:52 |
| amrith | at this point, all the patches we need are going into master | 18:52 |
| amrith | after that they have to get cherry-picked and merged into mitaka | 18:52 |
| amrith | and rc2 tagging deadline (this is a deadline not a guideline) is thursday | 18:52 |
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| amrith | cp16net, the u-c change is in gate for master now | 18:53 |
| amrith | once that merges, I'll get the cherry-pick for mitaka and ping you | 18:54 |
| amrith | Nothing more from me on this, just wanted to pass the word along on what's been going on. Once these changes merge, | 18:54 |
| amrith | we'll have other failed jobs begin to pass and merge. | 18:54 |
| amrith | That's it from me, anyone have anything to add? | 18:54 |
| amrith | #topic Open Discussion | 18:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:54 | |
| amrith | anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss ... | 18:54 |
| amrith | we have a couple of minutes | 18:54 |
| cp16net | sounds good amrith | 18:54 |
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| cp16net | thanks amrith for running the meeting :) | 18:55 |
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| amrith | thx cp16net comes with the baton I understand. thanks for carrying the baton for the past six months, and for all the bugs over the past 4 years :) | 18:55 |
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| amrith | anyone have anything else? | 18:56 |
| amrith | Before we go, please remember to do more reviews in the coming weeks. Let's pick up the pace. Thanks! | 18:56 |
| amrith | #endmeeting | 18:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 30 18:56:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-03-30-18.01.html | 18:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-03-30-18.01.txt | 18:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-03-30-18.01.log.html | 18:56 |
| SlickNik | Thanks amrith! | 18:56 |
| johnma | thanks Amrith. | 18:56 |
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| vkmc | thanks! | 18:57 |
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| pmackinn | amrith, Modular Layer 2 | 18:57 |
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| johnsom | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 30 20:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| minwang2 | o/ | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | Hello, folks! | 20:00 |
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| ajmiller | o/ | 20:00 |
| Aish | o/ | 20:00 |
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| xgerman | o/ | 20:00 |
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| johnsom | #topic Announcements | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| bharathm | Hello Everyone | 20:00 |
| johnsom | Newton timeline announced | 20:00 |
| johnsom | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | Yay! | 20:01 |
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| johnsom | I have updated the launchpad milestones to reflect these dates | 20:01 |
| johnsom | Also | 20:01 |
| johnsom | Docs gate and periodic liberty/mitaka gates added to Octavia project | 20:01 |
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| sbalukoff | Cool | 20:01 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:01 |
| johnsom | We now have a docs check gate on the Octavia project and periodic checks for liberty/mitaka bitrot | 20:02 |
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| johnsom | Tip for those that don't know, you can preview the docs changes by clicking on the docs gate results in gerrit | 20:02 |
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| johnsom | Very handy, especially since we are trying to work on docs updates. | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | Yes! | 20:02 |
| bharathm | Nicee | 20:02 |
| johnsom | Any other announcements? | 20:03 |
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| johnsom | #topic Docu-geddon | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Docu-geddon (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:03 | |
| sbalukoff | Haha | 20:03 |
| johnsom | Speaking of docs... | 20:03 |
| johnsom | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bugs?field.tag=docs | 20:03 |
| johnsom | Documentation bugs (we need your help) | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | Sorry--- haven't made much progress on my end there. (Been busy with internal and personal stuff.) | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | And yes, we need help with the docs! | 20:04 |
| johnsom | Please take a look at the docs and contribute if you can. Partials/starts are ok with me. | 20:04 |
| johnsom | If you don't have time to write the whole thing | 20:05 |
| * xgerman wonders if RAX is being towed away | 20:05 | |
| johnsom | Shameless plug: Taskflow documentation demo available | 20:05 |
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| johnsom | #link http://13.91.98.5/devref/flows.html | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | Cool! | 20:05 |
| johnsom | I wrote a script that builds docs for the key taskflows. | 20:05 |
| johnsom | Please review. We can't merge it as it required a fix in TaskFlow for a python library change. | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | Nice! | 20:06 |
| xgerman | those graphs are epic | 20:06 |
| johnsom | TaskFlow can't release until after the 8th at the earliest for the Mitaka/Newton release freeze window. So, that is why I have a preview up. | 20:06 |
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| johnsom | Anyway, welcome comments so we can merge with TaskFlow releases. | 20:07 |
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| johnsom | Anything else on our push for docs? | 20:07 |
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| johnsom | Ok, I don't see fnaval here, so skipping the test topic again. I think he is traveling | 20:08 |
| johnsom | #topic Brief progress reports - reviews needed, etc. | 20:08 |
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| xgerman | actually I don;t see anyone form RAX | 20:08 |
| TrevorV|Home | o/ | 20:08 |
| TrevorV|Home | sorry, late | 20:08 |
| TrevorV|Home | meeting going long still | 20:08 |
| xgerman | TrevorV|Home just on cue | 20:08 |
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| sbalukoff | could use some comments on this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232173/ | 20:09 |
| johnsom | I have been working on getting the nova console logs archived in the gates should something go wrong (namely our session persistence issue) | 20:09 |
| johnsom | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298915 | 20:09 |
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| TrevorV|Home | I got single-create written for "/lbaas/loadbalancers" but we want it for "/lbaas/graphs" or something along those lines, and its proven infinitely more confusing for me to make that change, so for me progress is "slow" still, but the logic was working at least :( | 20:09 |
| sbalukoff | I suspect I'm missing important stuff in that. | 20:09 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298915 | 20:09 |
| TrevorV|Home | Just gotta figure out neutron lbaas extension bullsh** | 20:09 |
| minwang2 | this patch needs review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288208/ | 20:09 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232173/ | 20:10 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288208/ | 20:10 |
| johnsom | Another note on the console logs patch. Once that is in it will only archive the logs if the instance is still running at the gate cleanup time. | 20:10 |
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| bharathm | minwang2: you may have to update the permissions in that patch.. check my comment | 20:11 |
| johnsom | If there is value in keeping the logs otherwise, you can copy them into a <instance-id>-archive folder before you delete the instance in your scenario test. That way they will be picked up and saved. | 20:11 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: Does that substantially impact our ability to troubleshoot? | 20:11 |
| sbalukoff | Aah, ok. | 20:12 |
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| johnsom | Yes, we can see what nova did for our image booting. I have seen bug reports where nova took 23 MINUTES to boot an amp. | 20:12 |
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| johnsom | I think it was under powered hardware. | 20:12 |
| minwang2 | bharathm i saw that, sbalukoff can you review this patch please https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288208/ | 20:12 |
| johnsom | But, I think there is value in seeing what the gates hosts are up to | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | minwang2: Sure! | 20:13 |
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| minwang2 | yeah, since i changed the content of base.j2, you used to work on this file | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: +1 | 20:13 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 20:13 |
| johnsom | Anyway, it might help us understand what happened with amps that can't be reached for a long period of time | 20:13 |
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| xgerman | yeah, especially with all this random new hardware coming online | 20:14 |
| johnsom | Yep | 20:14 |
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| sbalukoff | Yeah. | 20:14 |
| johnsom | Any other progress updates? | 20:14 |
| johnsom | #topic Open Discussion | 20:15 |
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| sbalukoff | I will be on vacation all next week, starting this Friday. | 20:15 |
| TrevorV|Home | Nice sbalukoff ! | 20:15 |
| bana_k | needs review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286365/ | 20:15 |
| TrevorV|Home | I am supposed to be on vacation right now :D | 20:15 |
| johnsom | Ok, I have one topic. We merged a fix for failover to be able to use spares (actually two, because I made a mistake). | 20:15 |
| sbalukoff | Will be back for a couple weeks, then I think Dustin and I are planning on making a road trip of the summit (meaning I will probably missing the meeting just before the summit and just after) | 20:15 |
| TrevorV|Home | I've been "off" since yesterday.. but I've worked almost every day :D | 20:15 |
| xgerman | yeah, I am on vacation next Wednesday but will try to attend | 20:15 |
| johnsom | Do we want to push to backport these to stable/mitaka and cut another Mitaka release? | 20:16 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: Yes, I think so. | 20:16 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:16 |
| TrevorV|Home | johnsom, is failover broken without them? | 20:16 |
| sbalukoff | It's broken in stable, this is a "pure bug" with no additional features added, and it's fairly significant. | 20:16 |
| xgerman | failover likely works but you can’t use the spares pool | 20:16 |
| sbalukoff | Totally a good candidate for a backport. | 20:16 |
| johnsom | TrevorV|Home No, it will failover, but it will always build a new amp | 20:16 |
| TrevorV|Home | Yeah, I'm okay with that | 20:16 |
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| TrevorV|Home | I have zero issue with backporting that | 20:17 |
| bharathm | +1 for backport | 20:17 |
| TrevorV|Home | Was just looking for context :D | 20:17 |
| johnsom | Sure, NP. | 20:17 |
| johnsom | Ok, looks like another task on my list. | 20:17 |
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| sbalukoff | Heh! | 20:17 |
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| johnsom | TrevorV|Home do we have clarity on the cascade create/delete API? Do we need to paint more? | 20:18 |
| xgerman | more painting is needed | 20:18 |
| TrevorV|Home | johnsom, I'm not sure if we "need" to paint more. | 20:18 |
| johnsom | Darn (not the word I used verbally) | 20:18 |
| TrevorV|Home | I'd like an official agreement | 20:18 |
| johnsom | Me too as I have the neutron client patch just hanging out waiting | 20:19 |
| TrevorV|Home | To be honest, johnsom , I have a preference, but both ways make sense with certain considerations | 20:19 |
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| johnsom | Is blogan here or at the tow yard? | 20:19 |
| xgerman | I think dougwig wants lb_tree which is misleading since it’s a graph... | 20:19 |
| johnsom | Can we finish this in the 40 minutes left? | 20:19 |
| xgerman | absoluitely | 20:20 |
| TrevorV|Home | new endpoint makes sense because neutron likes bad designs. Additional change to /lbaas makes sense because its creating an existing object, a loadbalancer. Sooo, idk | 20:20 |
| dougwig | i want any separate endpoint, i don't care what it's called. | 20:20 |
| johnsom | Seriously? We are going back and forth on tree vs. graph? | 20:20 |
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| xgerman | nope, dougwig just agreed to graph | 20:20 |
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| dougwig | btw, "TrevorV|Home> new endpoint makes sense because neutron likes bad designs." <-- uncool. | 20:21 |
| TrevorV|Home | Sorry... | 20:21 |
| johnsom | TrevorV|Home can you present "sample" URL paths for the two options you think are on the table? You can star your favorite if you would like. | 20:21 |
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| xgerman | I actually agree with that statement | 20:21 |
| TrevorV|Home | Oh, uh, sort of. | 20:21 |
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| xgerman | wsgi? | 20:21 |
| TrevorV|Home | POST to "../lbaas/loadbalancers" is the current "Create" endpoint, and I have single-create working off that endpoint. | 20:21 |
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| TrevorV|Home | POST to "../lbaas/graph" is what I've been told is the way neutron will want it, and I'm having a lot of trouble getting that to work. | 20:22 |
| TrevorV|Home | blogan, informed me that I have a poor understanding of how extensions work in Neutron, causing the confusion for me, which is probably true | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | What are the other proposed options? | 20:23 |
| xgerman | blogan also thinks a loadbalancer with it’s children becomes a complete new object :-) | 20:23 |
| johnsom | So it's down to extending "../lbaas/loadbalancers" or "../lbaas/graph"? | 20:23 |
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| blogan | i'm here now | 20:23 |
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| TrevorV|Home | well, its extending ../lbaas/loadbalancers or making a new extension ../lbaas/graph | 20:24 |
| dougwig | sbalukoff: either we redefine create on the existing endpoint to mean more than one object maybe, or we have a new endpoint that has the new create semantics. | 20:24 |
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| johnsom | I want a decision on the cascade create/delete endpoint in the next 35 minutes so we can get on with our lives.... | 20:24 |
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| blogan | /lbaas/graph DONE | 20:24 |
| TrevorV|Home | The only GOOD thing I say we get from adding the endpoint "../lbaas/graph" is the additional behavior.. FOr example, we could then have the status tree returned on a GET to that endpoint | 20:24 |
| dougwig | rest-wise, overload is DWIM, but worse sins have occurred. i dont' get the love for reusing old endpoints. | 20:24 |
| blogan | /lbaas/graphs sorry | 20:25 |
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| sbalukoff | I'm cool with /lbaas/graphs. | 20:25 |
| xgerman | dougwig having tow endpoints which do the same can be confusing | 20:25 |
| TrevorV|Home | Also, the "cascade_delete" will just be a "delete" to that endpoint followed by a LB id | 20:25 |
| sbalukoff | I suspect we're going to want that status graph sooner rather than later anyway. | 20:25 |
| blogan | GET /lbaas/graphs returns a list of load balancers with graphs which has th eadded benefit of a UI being ablet o show as much information in a list view instead of making multiple API calls | 20:25 |
| dougwig | xgerman: not when they're different. | 20:26 |
| blogan | DELETE /lbaas/graphs/<lb_Id> would be cascade delete | 20:26 |
| TrevorV|Home | Right | 20:26 |
| TrevorV|Home | That's what I said just now blogan :D | 20:26 |
| johnsom | sbalukoff status is already there, with the appended path. | 20:26 |
| blogan | oh well i'm just typing without eading | 20:26 |
| xgerman | so how is a single_create where I just define a loadbalancer different from creating it the other way? | 20:26 |
| blogan | reading | 20:26 |
| TrevorV|Home | all good blogan | 20:26 |
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| TrevorV|Home | xgerman, the only difference is the nested objects. | 20:27 |
| TrevorV|Home | Either you're creating an LB alone, or an LB with listener, or an LB with listener with pool, etc etc etc. | 20:27 |
| johnsom | sbalukoff /v2.0/lbaas/loadbalancers/{loadbalancer_id}/statuses | 20:27 |
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| sbalukoff | johnsom: Aah. | 20:27 |
| xgerman | yep, so creating just one LB is a special case of single_create… hence my argument we now have two endpoints doing the same thing | 20:27 |
| xgerman | but like dougwig I have seen worse | 20:28 |
| blogan | if we simply renamed loadbalancer to vip, and graph to loadbalancer, this would all make sense | 20:28 |
| blogan | teh separate endpoint | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: Different semantics, but operating on the same underlying objects... in the interests of not messing with old functionality, I don't have a problem with this. | 20:28 |
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| * blogan takes johnsom's VIP | 20:29 | |
| TrevorV|Home | blogan, it still doesn't make sense in that way either | 20:29 |
| johnsom | VIP sandwich | 20:29 |
| TrevorV|Home | I was talking this through with a third party, and I forgot my own argument, but that STILL didn't make sense. | 20:29 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV|Home: There's no perfect solution here. | 20:29 |
| xgerman | yeah, blogan just use LBaaS V1 — they have VIPS | 20:29 |
| blogan | dougwig, how mcuh resistance would we get to having the single create call and cascade delete call off the /loadbalancers endpoint? | 20:29 |
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| TrevorV|Home | especially considering we already have the statuses off the /loadbalancers endpoint | 20:30 |
| TrevorV|Home | just sayin | 20:30 |
| blogan | perfect solution: lbaas v3 | 20:30 |
| TrevorV|Home | Even BETTER solution... Octavia replacing neutron lbaas | 20:30 |
| blogan | but i guess its not perfect bc more work and screws users over | 20:30 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Until we discover something else we didn't consider correctly from the get-go. ;) | 20:30 |
| blogan | haha | 20:30 |
| johnsom | I think we have the same headache with neutron_lbaas or octavia being the API | 20:31 |
| xgerman | I hope by then we have microversioniung | 20:31 |
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| sbalukoff | It'd be nice to have micro-versioning figured out someday. ;) | 20:31 |
| dougwig | microversioning would solve this, yes. | 20:31 |
| sbalukoff | jinx! | 20:31 |
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| blogan | microversioning wouldn't really solve this either | 20:31 |
| blogan | i dont think it would | 20:31 |
| johnsom | dougwig How so? | 20:31 |
| TrevorV|Home | johnsom, we don't have extension issues in Octavia. Adding single-create functionality in octavia was relatively simple, with me only having issues with sql alchemy strange-ness | 20:31 |
| xgerman | can’t micro versioning cure cancer? | 20:31 |
| blogan | we're still bike shedding | 20:31 |
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| sbalukoff | xgerman: Much like windex. | 20:32 |
| sbalukoff | Yep. | 20:32 |
| TrevorV|Home | Alright, none of this conversation has gotten us to "which endpoint is the group decision" | 20:32 |
| sbalukoff | It's going to be a beautiful shed. | 20:32 |
| blogan | i suspect a vote coming | 20:32 |
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| johnsom | #startvote Do you support going with /lbaas/graph? Yes, No, Abstain | 20:32 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Do you support going with /lbaas/graph? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. | 20:32 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:32 |
| dougwig | i'm voting for "/fuckthisshitiwanttodorealwork" | 20:33 |
| sbalukoff | #vote yes | 20:33 |
| TrevorV|Home | #vote No | 20:33 |
| xgerman | #vote No | 20:33 |
| dougwig | #vote yes | 20:33 |
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| TrevorV|Home | that's actually not "entirely" accurate, but its the MOST accurate for me, so whatever :D | 20:33 |
| blogan | the only thing i care about is path of least resistance, and /graphs has that | 20:33 |
| TrevorV|Home | blogan, so vote | 20:34 |
| xgerman | it’s a tie right now | 20:34 |
| blogan | #vote Yes | 20:34 |
| crc32|znc | #vote yes | 20:34 |
| johnsom | Yeah, graph/graph(s) don't care. This is just getting to a concept. | 20:34 |
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| sbalukoff | Yeah. | 20:34 |
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| blogan | we'll revisit it next week, dont worry | 20:34 |
| sbalukoff | You've yet to vote, johnsom | 20:34 |
| sbalukoff | Haha | 20:34 |
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| johnsom | #vote getonwithitalready | 20:35 |
| blogan | johnsom's dilemma | 20:35 |
| openstack | johnsom: getonwithitalready is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No, Abstain. | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | I'm glad I'll be off the grid in Myanmar, then. XD | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | Haha | 20:35 |
| johnsom | #vote yes | 20:35 |
| blogan | insubordinate! | 20:35 |
| johnsom | Ok, anyone else? | 20:35 |
| TrevorV|Home | Alright, I guess enough people abstain that its in favor of /graphs | 20:35 |
| bharathm | #vote Yes | 20:35 |
| TrevorV|Home | Decision made | 20:35 |
| johnsom | #endvote | 20:35 |
| openstack | Voted on "Do you support going with /lbaas/graph?" Results are | 20:35 |
| openstack | Yes (6): johnsom, sbalukoff, dougwig, bharathm, crc32|znc, blogan | 20:35 |
| openstack | No (2): xgerman, TrevorV|Home | 20:35 |
| TrevorV|Home | Shed painted | 20:36 |
| johnsom | Ok, we have an answer. | 20:36 |
| bharathm | Voting No doesn't guarantee it's gonna pass with others later. So as blogan said path of least resistance | 20:36 |
| johnsom | TrevorV|Home Let me know when you have your side with cascade delete cooked and I will update my neutron client patch. | 20:36 |
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| xgerman | we don;t need to live in fear of who-should-not-be-named and his iron -2 fist | 20:37 |
| johnsom | True, but at least we aren't standing around saying "I don't know, what do you think?" in a big circle. | 20:37 |
| sbalukoff | Haha | 20:37 |
| TrevorV|Home | johnsom, I don't have anything with cascade delete... | 20:37 |
| TrevorV|Home | I'm doing single-create | 20:38 |
| TrevorV|Home | :D | 20:38 |
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| xgerman | that’s blogan — he wants to hang that off graph as well | 20:38 |
| johnsom | Ah, ok, so someone will have to come along after your patch and update the cascade delete code. Fair enough | 20:38 |
| blogan | if we have a /graphs endpoint it makes the most sense | 20:38 |
| xgerman | it’s WIP anyway | 20:38 |
| sbalukoff | +1 | 20:38 |
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| johnsom | Ok, ten more endpoints and we will have folks covered for this cycle. | 20:39 |
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| johnsom | Any other open discussion topics? | 20:39 |
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| kong | can i ask a question, guys? | 20:39 |
| johnsom | of course | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | Impossible. Can't be done. | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | ;) | 20:39 |
| TrevorV|Home | kong, this is the PERFECT time to ask a question | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | What's your question, kong? | 20:39 |
| kong | do you think octavia is production-ready in mitaka? | 20:40 |
| xgerman | if you use it off the shelf - NO | 20:40 |
| xgerman | sorry that wa sliberty | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | Tentative yes? I mean-- you'll have to set up your own monitoring and other glue. | 20:40 |
| xgerman | mitaka should be fine | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | mitaka is definitely much better than liberty. | 20:40 |
| johnsom | Yeah, don't use liberty | 20:41 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:41 |
| sbalukoff | It also depends somewhat on your cloud use case. | 20:41 |
| kong | some blocks in liberty? | 20:41 |
| johnsom | Lots of bugs in liberty | 20:41 |
| kong | critical bugs? | 20:41 |
| kong | ok | 20:41 |
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| johnsom | It does work, but there are a bunch of bugs we fixed in Mitaka that make the user experience a lot better. | 20:42 |
| sbalukoff | Right. | 20:42 |
| kong | ok, thanks for so many answers :-) | 20:42 |
| kong | and will you focus on installation in Newton? | 20:42 |
| kong | i mean, ansible or puppet | 20:42 |
| sbalukoff | We've yet to really outline the main development initiatives for Newton... but... | 20:43 |
| sbalukoff | I know that the operators present here are probably already working on installation for their specific cloud environments (I know we are) | 20:43 |
| kong | because we don't want to install it via devstack for production :-) | 20:43 |
| johnsom | I don't think this team has plans to do anything with ansible or puppet. There is another openstack team doing ansible work for LBaaSv2 and Octavia. | 20:43 |
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| sbalukoff | kong: We will definitely have docs describing the process (there are some under review right now) | 20:44 |
| johnsom | We are working on installation documentation | 20:44 |
| sbalukoff | Yep. | 20:44 |
| johnsom | Yeah, what he said... | 20:44 |
| kong | johnsom: yes, i know. someone familiar with ansible and octavia both | 20:44 |
| ptoohill | we do have plans for ansible for the amphora image building portion | 20:44 |
| xgerman | yeah, installation tools is not really put scope here | 20:44 |
| ptoohill | just to throw that out there | 20:44 |
| johnsom | #link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-ansible-specs/specs/mitaka/lbaasv2.html | 20:45 |
| johnsom | that is the group working on ansible | 20:45 |
| xgerman | and then there is heat as well | 20:45 |
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| kong | ok, thanks guys, sorry for chiming in | 20:45 |
| kong | :-) | 20:45 |
| johnsom | No worries. | 20:45 |
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| sbalukoff | I know Blue Box uses the public 'ursula' project for cloud installations. I suspect very much in the next month you're going to see ansible playbooks in there for installing Octavia / Neutron LBaaSv2. | 20:45 |
| TrevorV|Home | No "sorry" mang, its a good question :D | 20:45 |
| sbalukoff | Mostly because I'm working on them right now. | 20:45 |
| TrevorV|Home | Alright guys, I'm bowing out. I haven't eaten all day, if anyone needs some info from me, PM me or email me, ttyl! | 20:46 |
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| johnsom | Thanks | 20:46 |
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| johnsom | Anything else for today? | 20:46 |
| johnsom | #endmeeting | 20:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 30 20:47:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:47 |
| sbalukoff | Thanks guys! | 20:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-03-30-20.00.html | 20:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-03-30-20.00.txt | 20:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-03-30-20.00.log.html | 20:47 |
| sbalukoff | And gals! | 20:47 |
| johnsom | Safe travels sbalukoff | 20:47 |
| sbalukoff | Thanks! | 20:47 |
| minwang2 | +1 | 20:47 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:47 |
| crc32|znc | +1 | 20:47 |
| crc32|znc | especially from the philipines. | 20:47 |
| sbalukoff | Thanks! | 20:48 |
| sbalukoff | Myanmar should be exciting, to say the least. ;) | 20:48 |
| crc32|znc | don;t get qurinteened | 20:48 |
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