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| SridarK | Hi FWaaS folks | 00:00 |
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| mickeys | Hi | 00:00 |
| sc68cal | hey all | 00:01 |
| hoangcx | Hi | 00:01 |
| sc68cal | #startmeeting networking_fwaas | 00:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 7 00:01:54 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
| SridarK | not sure if xgerman: will join - he is on PTO | 00:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_fwaas)" | 00:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 00:01 |
| sc68cal | So, the main thing is the mailing list thread that Armando sent about the status of our bp | 00:02 |
| SridarK | +1 | 00:02 |
| SridarK | we should take a step and have a plan in place | 00:03 |
| SridarK | some thoughts: 1) re propose the spec as is | 00:03 |
| SridarK | for N | 00:03 |
| SridarK | 2) Get out an L3 port implementation | 00:04 |
| sc68cal | #chair SridarK | 00:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK sc68cal | 00:04 |
| SridarK | 3) mickeys - i think u already started looking at some iptables - FWaaS - SG coexistence issues | 00:04 |
| SridarK | we can flush those out | 00:05 |
| SridarK | 4) we can get in the VM port stuff as phase 2 | 00:05 |
| SridarK | perhaps we can discuss this and have a plan around this | 00:05 |
| SridarK | or other options | 00:05 |
| mickeys | I don't think that an L3 port implementation gets us somewhere quicker. The big change from the existing FWaaS functionality is the ability to attach multiple firewall groups to the same port. I think once you do that work, L3 is not less work. | 00:05 |
| SridarK | mickeys: well - i think we want to make sure that we dont break anything on the SG interaction | 00:06 |
| mickeys | Moreover L3 is busted for both DVR and OVN, with the exception of the router's external gateway poert | 00:06 |
| SridarK | it is more abt making sure that we are careful on that | 00:06 |
| SridarK | But at least we would have taken some baby steps to having something in place | 00:07 |
| mickeys | While I would like to get some prototyping done before the Austin summit around SG coexistence, I am skeptical that I will find the time before then. Still checking around internally to see if I can get someone to help me for the next couple of weeks. | 00:07 |
| SridarK | ok sounds good | 00:08 |
| SridarK | if there are some folks who can help that will be good | 00:08 |
| SridarK | i am also reaching out to others who may want to pick up some pieces | 00:08 |
| mickeys | It seems to me like the bigger issue is not the plan, but the commitments from enough resources to carry out the plan | 00:09 |
| SridarK | mickeys: yes the plan with commitment | 00:09 |
| SridarK | i think no one can be full time and we have things that come up on internal stuff and conflicting priorities | 00:10 |
| mickeys | The mailing list thread was asking for responses by the end of the week, which is a little tight on my side | 00:10 |
| SridarK | ok | 00:10 |
| SridarK | understand | 00:11 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: on the spec, do we just get Aish to re propose this ? | 00:12 |
| sc68cal | yeah I guess just a git mv op and then push it up to gerrit | 00:12 |
| SridarK | ok | 00:13 |
| sc68cal | I'll probably be removing myself from the core team shortly - but I can maybe +2 it as a last action | 00:13 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: i wish u would reconsider and find some bandwidth | 00:13 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: i know u have been sucked into other things | 00:13 |
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| sc68cal | I do too, but I'd rather be honest and say that I can't do it then keep promising and not deliver | 00:14 |
| SridarK | understand | 00:14 |
| SridarK | lets have a sync along with xgerman when he is back | 00:14 |
| sc68cal | k | 00:15 |
| SridarK | anything else on v2 ? | 00:16 |
| SridarK | mickeys: would appreciate if u can find out if some one else can help on ur end | 00:16 |
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| mickeys | SridarK: Trying to check internally, but the manager that I really need is out this week. I need to see if I can find her during the next couple of days. | 00:17 |
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| SridarK | mickeys: ok good - we can sync up offline as well | 00:18 |
| SridarK | #topic reviews | 00:18 |
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| SridarK | on the observer hierarchy really trying to see if we can move this fwd | 00:19 |
| SridarK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278863/ | 00:19 |
| SridarK | i think the changes need more work - i have outlined a possible approach | 00:19 |
| SridarK | will need to ping the submitter again | 00:19 |
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| SridarK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300960/ | 00:23 |
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| SridarK | mickeys: maybe u could take a look at this when u can | 00:23 |
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| mickeys | OK. It does not seem simple at first glance. | 00:24 |
| SridarK | yes touching conntrack can be tricky | 00:25 |
| SridarK | i thought u are the best person to take a look at this | 00:25 |
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| SridarK | i did not have anything else on reviews | 00:27 |
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| SridarK | #topic vendor decomp | 00:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "vendor decomp (Meeting topic: networking_fwaas)" | 00:27 | |
| SridarK | i heard back from vArmour and they will remove their driver by N-2 | 00:27 |
| SridarK | still waiting on vyatta | 00:28 |
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| SridarK | on cisco - we will remove it as well by N-2 | 00:28 |
| SridarK | on McAfee - will need to follow up on this | 00:28 |
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| SridarK | that is basicall the vendors that are in tree now | 00:29 |
| SridarK | #topic Open Discussion | 00:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: networking_fwaas)" | 00:29 | |
| SridarK | I did not have much else to discuss | 00:29 |
| SridarK | Any one else have something to bring up ? | 00:30 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: shall we close out ? | 00:31 |
| sc68cal | yeah sounds good | 00:31 |
| SridarK | Bye all | 00:32 |
| SridarK | #endmeeting | 00:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 7 00:32:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-04-07-00.01.html | 00:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-04-07-00.01.txt | 00:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-04-07-00.01.log.html | 00:33 |
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| dirk | toabctl, dirk, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jruzicka: ping | 13:00 |
| jruzicka | o/ | 13:00 |
| jasondotstar | o/ | 13:00 |
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| * dirk is today double booked in another meeting and would prefer if somebody else could lead the meeting | 13:00 | |
| toabctl | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 7 13:00:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is toabctl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:00 |
| dirk | toabctl: thanks | 13:00 |
| toabctl | hi all | 13:00 |
| dirk | hey | 13:00 |
| toabctl | please add your topics to the agenda at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:01 |
| jruzicka | hello | 13:01 |
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| toabctl | looks like we have a short agenda today. | 13:04 |
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| toabctl | #topic stable branch creation | 13:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stable branch creation (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:05 | |
| toabctl | dirk: you added it... | 13:05 |
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| dirk | just wanted to announce that I plan to create the stable/mitaka branch today | 13:05 |
| dirk | just haven't managed to get around doing so yet | 13:05 |
| dirk | in rpm-packaging. just checking, we don't want to branch any of the other repositories? | 13:06 |
| dirk | or do we want to create rpm-packaging-tools branches and renderspec? | 13:06 |
| toabctl | do we plan to backport changes/new specs then? | 13:06 |
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| toabctl | or are we just go ahead and start with neton? | 13:06 |
| toabctl | s/neton/newton/ | 13:06 |
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| toabctl | dirk: I wouldn't create branches for the other repos. imo not needed yet | 13:07 |
| dirk | fine by me | 13:07 |
| dirk | toabctl: I"d be fine with tracking master in master and stable/mitaka in mitaka. backporting when needed, or creating new spec files in stable is fine by me | 13:07 |
| dirk | probably we need to document the stable branch rules in the wiki though | 13:07 |
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| toabctl | #actipn dirk will create stable/mitaka branch for openstack-rpm-packaging repo | 13:08 |
| toabctl | #action dirk will create stable/mitaka branch for openstack/rpm-packaging repo | 13:08 |
| toabctl | so who want's to create the wiki for stable branches rules? or do we just want to see how it goes? | 13:09 |
| dirk | thanks | 13:09 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, I can do that | 13:10 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov: great. thanks! | 13:10 |
| toabctl | #action IgorYozhikov creates a wiki page with rules for stable branches updates | 13:10 |
| dirk | thank you IgorYozhikov | 13:10 |
| toabctl | anything else on that topic? | 13:10 |
| dirk | nope | 13:11 |
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| IgorYozhikov | just one question - when & | 13:11 |
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| IgorYozhikov | when stable will be cut? | 13:11 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov: dirk said today | 13:11 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, ok. | 13:12 |
| toabctl | #topic specs storage, where to publish possible specifications | 13:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "specs storage, where to publish possible specifications (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:12 | |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov: your topic | 13:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | yep | 13:12 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I want to clarify next, if I have some proposal of something useful 4 example, where I can store it? | 13:13 |
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| toabctl | hm. I don't fully understand the question. what do you mean by "proposal of something useful" ? | 13:14 |
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| dirk | you mean an example template to start with? | 13:15 |
| dirk | I think thats a great idea | 13:15 |
| dirk | put it under doc/ ? | 13:15 |
| IgorYozhikov | nope, I'm about document which describes, for example - how CI works | 13:16 |
| jruzicka | Is there a common place for docs? | 13:16 |
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| toabctl | not yet in rpm-packaging | 13:17 |
| dirk | do we want to doucment the CI in wiki or in git? | 13:17 |
| toabctl | but maybe we should create the standard doc/source | 13:17 |
| dirk | e.g. the standard sphinx documentation? works for me as well | 13:18 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, ok, store in in rst format? | 13:18 |
| IgorYozhikov | s/in/it/ | 13:19 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: yep.. well, depending on what we want to do . for CI I think we should just document in wiki | 13:19 |
| IgorYozhikov | ah, ok, | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | I'll do that | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | just convert existing spec into wiki format | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | spec here != rpm spec :) | 13:20 |
| toabctl | :) | 13:20 |
| dirk | spec in the sense of blue prints ? | 13:21 |
| IgorYozhikov | so, I'm fine with wiki. | 13:21 |
| dirk | we are free to create blue prints as well.. would actually be good | 13:21 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, yes | 13:21 |
| IgorYozhikov | like BP, document describing something | 13:21 |
| dirk | now would be a good time to start the newton "specs" | 13:21 |
| IgorYozhikov | sure | 13:22 |
| toabctl | can we call it blueprints and use specs in the rpm context please ?:) | 13:22 |
| dirk | +1 | 13:22 |
| jasondotstar | +1 | 13:22 |
| toabctl | #agreed documentation about CI will be in the wiki | 13:22 |
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| toabctl | anything else on this topic? | 13:23 |
| IgorYozhikov | nope | 13:23 |
| toabctl | #topic epoch yaml, each maintainer has its own copy or centralized version for "fedora/centos" | 13:23 |
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| toabctl | IgorYozhikov: ^^ :) | 13:23 |
| IgorYozhikov | :) | 13:24 |
| IgorYozhikov | Just want to get clear and get your opinion | 13:24 |
| IgorYozhikov | if there is already existent list of projects with epochs, where to store it? | 13:25 |
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| toabctl | I would add it to our git repo | 13:25 |
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| IgorYozhikov | in th root of rpm-packaging, right? | 13:26 |
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| toabctl | IgorYozhikov: I would say, yes | 13:26 |
| IgorYozhikov | or under rpm-packagin/openstack/ | 13:26 |
| dirk | the other thought would be to create a vendor subdir, right? | 13:27 |
| toabctl | I thought in the root of rpm-packaging/ | 13:27 |
| dirk | e.g. we'd have a fedora/epochs.yaml | 13:27 |
| toabctl | or fedora-epochs.yaml | 13:27 |
| toabctl | ^ that's also the default for renderspec | 13:27 |
| toabctl | but if fedora and centos are different, we need to pass the epoch parameter to renderspec anyway. so I'm also fine with a vendor subdir | 13:28 |
| toabctl | maybe we need this vendor specific dir anyway later to store different things... | 13:28 |
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| toabctl | opinions? | 13:30 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, folder epochs/default.yaml | 13:30 |
| IgorYozhikov | or by style name? | 13:30 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov: I thought default is without any epochs. so I would prefer the style(vendor) name | 13:31 |
| * dirk doesn't care | 13:31 | |
| IgorYozhikov | epochs/style-fedora.yaml right? | 13:31 |
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| IgorYozhikov | epochs/style-centos.yaml right? | 13:31 |
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| toabctl | or just epochs/fedora.yaml | 13:32 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov: just propose something and let's discuss it in the review then | 13:32 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok | 13:33 |
| IgorYozhikov | will do today | 13:33 |
| toabctl | great | 13:33 |
| toabctl | anything else on this topic? | 13:33 |
| toabctl | #topic open discussion | 13:34 |
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| toabctl | anything else we need to discuss? | 13:34 |
| IgorYozhikov | CI | 13:34 |
| IgorYozhikov | As I promised | 13:34 |
| IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270826/ | 13:34 |
| toabctl | great!!! | 13:34 |
| IgorYozhikov | 1steps made | 13:34 |
| IgorYozhikov | and 4 now we need some days to fix it | 13:35 |
| IgorYozhikov | like build missed, etc | 13:35 |
| toabctl | sure. it's great to see another CI | 13:36 |
| jasondotstar | hi guys | 13:36 |
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| jasondotstar | sorry i missed last week's meeting | 13:36 |
| IgorYozhikov | in plans package publish | 13:36 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: great! | 13:36 |
| jasondotstar | talked to dirk and Igor in channel the other day about the openstack-salt effort to build RPMs | 13:36 |
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| IgorYozhikov | we are working on it, results will be published and reused in further tests | 13:36 |
| IgorYozhikov | if you have any questions related to our ci work - feel free to ping me | 13:37 |
| jasondotstar | I'm one of the core reviewers on the openstack-salt team, and at the moment the team is working on packaging up our salt formulas- both deb and rpm | 13:37 |
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| jasondotstar | besides that, I've a keen interest in learning more about the packaging process so | 13:38 |
| jasondotstar | if there's something i can help out with, lmk. | 13:38 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: I guess what we should do is document the contact persons in the wiki page for a particular ci | 13:38 |
| dirk | this is something that we didn"t do either for the SUSE CI | 13:39 |
| toabctl | +1 | 13:39 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, exactly, that is why I asked about space for BP & etc ^) | 13:39 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: now I get it, thanks for thinking about it :) | 13:40 |
| toabctl | btw. there is already https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 13:40 |
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| IgorYozhikov | also - re-trigger commit message for our CI is - rebuild | 13:40 |
| dirk | toabctl: sounds good | 13:41 |
| IgorYozhikov | that is all news from my side :) | 13:41 |
| dirk | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 13:41 |
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| jasondotstar | toabctl: +1 on that link - never seen that one b4 | 13:41 |
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| toabctl | IgorYozhikov: hm. would be good to have "recheck" to trigger *all* CIs and then recheck-FOO to recheck only FOO | 13:42 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, got it, will discuss with our infra team | 13:43 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov: thx | 13:43 |
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| toabctl | jasondotstar: so how can we help with the salt formulas ? | 13:44 |
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| toabctl | jasondotstar: are you planing to propose the spec files in rpm-packaging? or do you want to consume the specs from rpm-packaging for testing? | 13:45 |
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| dirk | the very short summary is that we could collaborate on both | 13:45 |
| dirk | PRs against salt formulars could be integration tested against "our" packages | 13:45 |
| dirk | and changes to "our" packages could be tested against the existing salt formulas | 13:45 |
| dirk | I think both things have some value | 13:45 |
| toabctl | ah. sounds good | 13:45 |
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| IgorYozhikov | dirk, any updates|news about fishbowl session with deb-packaging? | 13:46 |
| IgorYozhikov | topics, suggestions, etc | 13:46 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: no update yet, sorry | 13:46 |
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| IgorYozhikov | i c | 13:46 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: deadline is to finish it end of this week though | 13:46 |
| IgorYozhikov | where to look on it, add something? | 13:47 |
| IgorYozhikov | may be I can help somehow | 13:47 |
| dirk | I think we summarized all topics int he last meeting | 13:47 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok | 13:48 |
| jasondotstar | toabctl: yes, we are planning to propose spec files | 13:48 |
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| toabctl | jasondotstar: ok. great | 13:48 |
| toabctl | so anything else before we close the meeting? | 13:49 |
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| IgorYozhikov | nope | 13:50 |
| toabctl | ok. if there is something, go to #openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:50 |
| toabctl | #endmeeting | 13:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 7 13:50:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-04-07-13.00.html | 13:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-04-07-13.00.txt | 13:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-04-07-13.00.log.html | 13:50 |
| dirk | thanks toabctl | 13:50 |
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| m3m0 | #startmeeting freezer | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 7 14:00:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is m3m0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:00 |
| yangyapeng | :) | 14:00 |
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| slashme | Hi m3m0 our beloved chairman | 14:01 |
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| m3m0 | and even more handsome :) | 14:02 |
| m3m0 | as always freezer notes https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:02 |
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| m3m0 | who's here for the freezer meeting? | 14:02 |
| yangyapeng | :) | 14:02 |
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| EinstCrazy | :) | 14:04 |
| m3m0 | ok let's wait for more people to join | 14:04 |
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| m3m0 | EinstCrazy yangyapeng, any updates from your side? | 14:05 |
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| EinstCrazy | We are test cindernative backup nowadays | 14:05 |
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| m3m0 | and how is it going? | 14:06 |
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| EinstCrazy | and we have some bugs to fix, and have a poc | 14:07 |
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| m3m0 | nice, I'm looking forward to see the new patchs :) | 14:08 |
| m3m0 | ok let's start with the first topic | 14:08 |
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| m3m0 | #topic summit preparation | 14:08 |
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| m3m0 | slashme any update on this? | 14:08 |
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| daemontool | hi | 14:09 |
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| daemontool | sorry I-m late | 14:09 |
| slashme | Yes m3m0 | 14:09 |
| reldan | 0/ | 14:09 |
| slashme | So we have 4 sessions | 14:09 |
| slashme | for the developper summit | 14:10 |
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| slashme | 1 in a big room: Wed: 9:50 - 10:30 | 14:10 |
| slashme | 2 in smaller rooms: Wed: 11:00 - 11:40 and 11:50 - 12:30 | 14:10 |
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| slashme | And one longer on the friday: Fri: 9:00 - 12:30 | 14:10 |
| daemontool | :) | 14:11 |
| slashme | Thanks to daemontool for that | 14:11 |
| daemontool | let's make together the most out of them :) | 14:11 |
| slashme | Now we need to decide what is going to be discussed during the three first sessions | 14:11 |
| m3m0 | for one, should be backup of your infra | 14:12 |
| slashme | The last big one on friday is supposed to be theme-less in order to prepare everything needed for the cycle | 14:12 |
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| daemontool | backup as a service | 14:12 |
| slashme | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/austin_summit_preparation | 14:12 |
| m3m0 | and we have one left | 14:13 |
| m3m0 | disaster recovery? | 14:13 |
| slashme | I think so | 14:14 |
| slashme | Let's try to develop a bit | 14:14 |
| slashme | What do we want to fit in : "Backup your infrastructure" ? | 14:15 |
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| m3m0 | mysql backup and restore | 14:15 |
| daemontool | yes | 14:16 |
| m3m0 | maybe cinder and nova | 14:16 |
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| slashme | So I guess backup you OpenStack Infrastructure would be better | 14:16 |
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| daemontool | we can probably resume the topic on 3 points? | 14:16 |
| daemontool | 1) infrastructure backup | 14:16 |
| daemontool | 2) baas | 14:16 |
| daemontool | 3) DR | 14:17 |
| slashme | daemontool: I think your three points are three different sessions | 14:18 |
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| slashme | What do we want to fit in : "Backup as a service" ? | 14:20 |
| daemontool | slagle, yes | 14:20 |
| daemontool | slashme, yes | 14:21 |
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| daemontool | backup as a service: tenant resources backups such as: Volumes and VMs | 14:21 |
| daemontool | infrastructure: mysql + job sessions | 14:21 |
| daemontool | DR: whatever it is | 14:22 |
| daemontool | also we need to talk about the scalability | 14:22 |
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| daemontool | like how do we thing to achieve a backup of 10 or 50TB of data | 14:22 |
| daemontool | or more | 14:22 |
| daemontool | in my opinion, these are the challenging topics we have | 14:23 |
| EinstCrazy | I think we need to think about backup of big size of data | 14:24 |
| daemontool | EinstCrazy, ++ | 14:24 |
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| daemontool | scalability | 14:24 |
| EinstCrazy | yes | 14:24 |
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| daemontool | for infrastructure backup I think we did good so far | 14:25 |
| daemontool | what are the current issues, or the current concerns | 14:25 |
| slashme | Okay. So do you think scalability needs its own session ? In that case, we need to remove something else. | 14:25 |
| daemontool | on this? | 14:25 |
| slashme | Or should we fit it in the friday session ? | 14:25 |
| daemontool | scalability in place of infra? | 14:25 |
| daemontool | I don't know | 14:26 |
| daemontool | Friday is good I think | 14:26 |
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| daemontool | let's add infra to Fri and scalability on its own? | 14:26 |
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| slashme | I would keep infra in the main sessions | 14:29 |
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| daemontool | ok | 14:30 |
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| daemontool | all good for me | 14:30 |
| daemontool | as long we have this 4 | 14:30 |
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| daemontool | the reason why I'm pushign for baas | 14:31 |
| daemontool | is that all the commercial backup solution | 14:31 |
| daemontool | provides infra backup | 14:31 |
| daemontool | what is really lacking | 14:31 |
| daemontool | is baas | 14:31 |
| daemontool | I'm asked for that at least 3 times every week | 14:32 |
| daemontool | and we provide infra backup | 14:32 |
| daemontool | just explaning my motivation | 14:32 |
| daemontool | I'm totally OK with that plan | 14:32 |
| slashme | I agree | 14:32 |
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| daemontool | hi frescof | 14:33 |
| slashme | I added scalability to backup as a service, because they are related | 14:34 |
| kelepirci | hi all. I waish I was going to summit | 14:34 |
| kelepirci | here to observ | 14:35 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:35 |
| daemontool | also related to infrastructure | 14:35 |
| daemontool | and dr | 14:35 |
| daemontool | well scalability is related with everything probably | 14:35 |
| daemontool | are this topic agreed? | 14:35 |
| daemontool | are we good? | 14:35 |
| slashme | Okay for me. | 14:35 |
| m3m0 | can we move forward? | 14:36 |
| daemontool | yes please | 14:36 |
| m3m0 | #topic How should we deal with authentication when using other clients | 14:36 |
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| slashme | This was raised by erno | 14:37 |
| daemontool | I think we need an example for that | 14:37 |
| slashme | we are calling private methods when authenticating with cinder and glance clients | 14:37 |
| daemontool | this is related to reldan conversation perhaps? | 14:37 |
| daemontool | ah ok | 14:37 |
| slashme | daemontool: yes | 14:37 |
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| daemontool | and is not good | 14:38 |
| daemontool | to void that | 14:38 |
| slashme | Idealy, we should be able to use keystone sessions in order to authenticate once | 14:38 |
| daemontool | we have to rewrite code | 14:38 |
| slashme | and then pass the session to other clients | 14:38 |
| daemontool | and that's why reldan did that | 14:38 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:38 |
| slashme | But we are not completely sure of how this is supposed to work | 14:39 |
| daemontool | we should probably open a bug for that | 14:39 |
| reldan | Yes, we can rewrite that. But actually from my point of view os clients is really mess | 14:39 |
| daemontool | if it is not already opened | 14:39 |
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| slashme | I guess we should ask for the keystone team opinion | 14:39 |
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| daemontool | I don't know, someone should take ownership of that | 14:40 |
| daemontool | think about that | 14:40 |
| slashme | szaher reldan ? | 14:40 |
| daemontool | have the related conversation with the other services teams | 14:40 |
| daemontool | if needed | 14:40 |
| daemontool | and do changes if would be the case | 14:40 |
| szaher | I did that in diff project and I used sessions to authenticate with diff projects at the same time check this http://paste.openstack.org/show/493346/ | 14:41 |
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| daemontool | ok | 14:41 |
| daemontool | reldan, what's your thought? | 14:42 |
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| daemontool | hi ddieterly | 14:42 |
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| ddieterly | hello | 14:42 |
| reldan | daemontool: szaher have already such part of code for another project | 14:42 |
| reldan | So we can copy-past it to ours | 14:43 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:43 |
| daemontool | szaher, are you comfortable doing that? | 14:43 |
| szaher | daemontool: Yes, that is fine | 14:43 |
| m3m0 | can we move forward? | 14:43 |
| daemontool | slashme, all good? | 14:44 |
| slashme | yup | 14:44 |
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| slashme | Next topic | 14:44 |
| m3m0 | #topic freezer-agent --exclude | 14:44 |
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| slashme | clsacramento ^^ | 14:44 |
| slashme | daemontool: ^^ | 14:44 |
| daemontool | yes | 14:44 |
| m3m0 | I think we should have a common interface in python that get passed to the engines | 14:44 |
| daemontool | m3m0, for what? | 14:45 |
| daemontool | we have that already | 14:45 |
| slashme | Should we separate the exclude mechanism from tar. | 14:45 |
| m3m0 | only for ta | 14:45 |
| m3m0 | r | 14:45 |
| slashme | We need this for backup consistency and ner engines (rsync) | 14:45 |
| slashme | Idea is: | 14:45 |
| daemontool | or is something different? | 14:45 |
| clsacramento | When I was implementing the checksum for backup consistency I realized that the --exclude uses the tar exclude | 14:45 |
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| daemontool | yes | 14:45 |
| slashme | If --exclude <something> is passed as a parameter | 14:45 |
| slashme | We walk path and generate a list of files to exclude | 14:45 |
| slashme | That list can be passed to tar with --exclude-from | 14:45 |
| slashme | Question : | 14:45 |
| slashme | Should we do this ? | 14:45 |
| slashme | Acceptable solution ? | 14:45 |
| slashme | format of <something> : regex / shell globbing (tar-like) / ... | 14:45 |
| clsacramento | I was looking for a way to implement this exclusion that is standard for all engines | 14:46 |
| daemontool | clsacramento, ok, good | 14:46 |
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| daemontool | in rsync | 14:46 |
| daemontool | I'm doing something like | 14:47 |
| clsacramento | Because the solution we thought of was: develop an exclusion on the checksum that behaves the same as the tar | 14:47 |
| clsacramento | but then for others engine it could not be good | 14:47 |
| daemontool | filename = path.split('/')[-1] | 14:47 |
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| daemontool | if exclude in filename: | 14:47 |
| daemontool | next | 14:47 |
| daemontool | something like that | 14:47 |
| clsacramento | then we thought of separating the exclusion from the engine | 14:47 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:47 |
| daemontool | I'm not sure | 14:47 |
| daemontool | you can separate | 14:47 |
| daemontool | because if check the exclusion while you walk the file system | 14:48 |
| daemontool | and while the agent run the file system | 14:48 |
| clsacramento | for example, what u are doing for rsync is not really equivalent to the tar pattern exclusion | 14:48 |
| daemontool | generate the backup data block that is | 14:48 |
| daemontool | uploaded in chunks | 14:48 |
| daemontool | clsacramento, ok I agree | 14:48 |
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| slashme | I think it is okay to have it separated. | 14:49 |
| clsacramento | and for the backup consistency we need all exclusion to have the same results | 14:49 |
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| daemontool | clsacramento, yes indeed | 14:49 |
| daemontool | now my question is | 14:49 |
| daemontool | how do you move that away from the engine? | 14:49 |
| slashme | The drawback is : if you pass a --exclude it means that freezer will have to walt the backup-path one time more | 14:49 |
| daemontool | if you want to move it away | 14:50 |
| m3m0 | why? | 14:50 |
| clsacramento | we thought of walking the backup path to determine the list of excluded files and pass this list to the engine | 14:50 |
| m3m0 | slashme ^^ | 14:50 |
| daemontool | you need to scan the filesystem before | 14:50 |
| daemontool | generate the tree | 14:50 |
| clsacramento | for tar we have already figured out how to pass the list | 14:50 |
| daemontool | and remove the pattern that match with exclude | 14:50 |
| m3m0 | guys we have 10 min left | 14:51 |
| daemontool | the list of excludes? | 14:51 |
| slashme | daemontool: yes, the list of excluded files | 14:51 |
| clsacramento | daemontool: yes, like convert the pattern to a list of excludes | 14:51 |
| clsacramento | and pass this list instead of the pattern to the engine | 14:51 |
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| slashme | In that way, we are assured to be consistent regardless of the engine | 14:52 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:52 |
| daemontool | let's do that :) | 14:52 |
| clsacramento | If we do that, we need to agree in the pattern machanism | 14:52 |
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| clsacramento | like if it is regex, shell or anything else | 14:52 |
| daemontool | if exclude is contained in filename | 14:53 |
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| daemontool | mmhhh | 14:53 |
| daemontool | nope | 14:53 |
| daemontool | more efficient | 14:53 |
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| daemontool | if filename in exclude: next | 14:53 |
| daemontool | exclude is always a list | 14:53 |
| daemontool | regex against each file | 14:53 |
| daemontool | it's a bit heavy | 14:53 |
| clsacramento | it is not very usable, imagine u are user who needs to exclude thousands of file | 14:54 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:54 |
| slashme | What the format of the exclude is going to be ? | 14:54 |
| ddieterly | it's O(n) | 14:54 |
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| clsacramento | also the command line will be unreadable | 14:54 |
| daemontool | ddieterly, yes :( | 14:54 |
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| daemontool | yes :) | 14:54 |
| yangyapeng | clsacramento yes | 14:54 |
| ddieterly | that is very fast | 14:55 |
| daemontool | ddieterly, exactly | 14:55 |
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| daemontool | so would be like | 14:55 |
| slashme | Shell globbing (like tar) (ie: */plop/*) ? or regex (ie: ^.*/plop/.*) ? | 14:55 |
| daemontool | --exclude brown,white,yellow,green | 14:55 |
| clsacramento | ok, the tar is not exactly like globbing | 14:56 |
| daemontool | a list is generated from that | 14:56 |
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| daemontool | if filename in that list | 14:56 |
| daemontool | skip | 14:56 |
| daemontool | so a filename like | 14:56 |
| clsacramento | daemontool: what about files that end with an extension, like *.log is accpeted ? | 14:56 |
| daemontool | brownsugar | 14:56 |
| daemontool | yes | 14:56 |
| daemontool | it will be skipped | 14:56 |
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| daemontool | ah no sorry | 14:57 |
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| m3m0 | clsacramento: should be possible to pass that as argument --exclude *.pyc | 14:57 |
| daemontool | that my bad | 14:57 |
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| m3m0 | but under the hood we convert that to a list | 14:57 |
| frescof | regex is more appropriate imho | 14:57 |
| daemontool | it would be an exact match | 14:57 |
| daemontool | for that case | 14:57 |
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| daemontool | if you want that flexibility | 14:58 |
| slashme | I prefer file globing | 14:58 |
| ddieterly | converting to a list and then scanning the list for each file will not scale | 14:58 |
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| daemontool | we need to have on of globing of regex | 14:58 |
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| ddieterly | if that is what was meant | 14:58 |
| slashme | ddieterly: | 14:58 |
| daemontool | but | 14:58 |
| yangyapeng | regex is better | 14:58 |
| slashme | No | 14:58 |
| frescof | ddieterly, agree! | 14:58 |
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| daemontool | take in consideration | 14:58 |
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| daemontool | if we have few milions of files | 14:58 |
| slashme | You walk path and only add to the list if it match regex | 14:58 |
| daemontool | we need to match against that | 14:58 |
| daemontool | slashme, so with that approach | 14:59 |
| m3m0 | guys we have 2 minutes left | 14:59 |
| daemontool | you need to scan the fs twice | 14:59 |
| ddieterly | if you look at each file name and match with a regex just once, then that would be ok | 14:59 |
| slashme | daemontool: Yes, only if you provide a --exclude | 14:59 |
| daemontool | yes ok, but it is still inefficient even only on taht case | 14:59 |
| m3m0 | can we please move this discussion to #openstack-freezer channel? | 15:00 |
| daemontool | ok | 15:00 |
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| m3m0 | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 7 15:00:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-04-07-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-04-07-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-04-07-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 7 15:00:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:00 |
| aovchinnikov | hi | 15:00 |
| tpsilva | hello | 15:00 |
| zhongjun_ | hi everyone | 15:00 |
| Yogi1 | Hello | 15:00 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
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| xyang1 | hi | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | anyone seen nidhimittalhada? | 15:01 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: I guess it is too late for her | 15:01 |
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| gouthamr | bswartz: she works IST hours.. | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | she PM'd me 8 hours ago and it sounded like she might be here | 15:02 |
| markstur_ | hi | 15:02 |
| gouthamr | ah | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | I know this meeting timeslot sucks for IST | 15:02 |
| bswartz | :-/ | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | oh well let's get started | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #topic access rules | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "access rules (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
| bswartz | We have a bug affecting access rules | 15:04 |
| * bswartz looks for the number | 15:04 | |
| bswartz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1566815 | 15:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1566815 in Manila "share manager fails to remove access rules on replicated share" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Goutham Pacha Ravi (gouthamr) | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | I wanted to figure out who is still working on access rules because I think a few more changes are needed in newton | 15:04 |
| bswartz | in particular, I think it was a mistake to remove the per-rule status column from the DB in mitaka (my mistake) | 15:05 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:05 |
| dustins | \o | 15:05 |
| bswartz | I think if we add that column back in, it will allow us to do smarter things | 15:05 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: so, that bug is a sporadic failure.. i suspect a DB race.. i wanted to sanitize that a bit.. | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | yes gouthamr I think it's possible to fix the bug without any huge changes, but nevertheless I still want to look at additional changes to access rules implementation in newton | 15:06 |
| ganso | bswartz: column is still there, just would need to work the way it was | 15:06 |
| bswartz | ganso: you mean in the model, but not in the schema | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | ganso: column is removed :) it is just fudged | 15:06 |
| tpsilva | it's now just a property that maps to the instance access_rules_status | 15:06 |
| ganso | gouthamr: oh yes, it is now a property, sorry that confused me | 15:06 |
| bswartz | also I wanted to raise the subject of access rule mapping table | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | currently we're mapping rules to share _instances_ | 15:07 |
| bswartz | it seems to me that the rules would more properly be mapped to shares | 15:07 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: +1 .. I agree.. I really hope we can go back to linking access rules and shares instead of share instances.. | 15:07 |
| bswartz | there are cases where the actual rules on 2 instances should be somewhat different, such as during migration | 15:08 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: for replication, it does not make any difference.. | 15:08 |
| bswartz | however I think we can do that without having different rules for different instances in the DB | 15:08 |
| bswartz | would anyone be opposed to returning the access rule mapping back to the share object at the DB layer? | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: what do you expect to be solved by such change? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: currently we have multiple rows in mapping table for shares that have multiple instances | 15:09 |
| ganso | gouthamr, bswartz: we questioned if access rules equal across shares made sense across replicas that are in different locations and may not be accessible by some hosts | 15:09 |
| bswartz | keeping all the rows correct is harder than 1 row | 15:09 |
| bswartz | and I'm concerned about soft deletes being impossible in a mapping table | 15:10 |
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| ganso | bswartz: also, migration can work, but there are several workarounds to be done | 15:10 |
| bswartz | I also want to look at eliminating the mapping table altogether and having just one access rules table | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | ganso: but the API does not allow you to control access to a replica | 15:10 |
| ganso | bswartz: I think we should also consider the access groups proposal by nidhi... it is prone to change things | 15:10 |
| ganso | bswartz: I think the design is good idea | 15:11 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: yes I do NOT propose changing the API, just the implementation | 15:11 |
| gouthamr | ganso: so there's documentation that says access rules to secondary copies are going to be controlled by the driver as necessary.. | 15:11 |
| bswartz | and ganso that was my next topic | 15:11 |
| gouthamr | ganso: i mean, for certain types of replication, some access rules don't make sense at all, or different sense.. | 15:11 |
| bswartz | I'm just trying to figure out if I'm missing anything with my current understand of access rules | 15:12 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov implemented readable type and he applies any r/w access level as r/o to any secondary replica | 15:12 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: that's an easy case to solve -- just ignore type | 15:13 |
| bswartz | ignore type *on passive replicas | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: yes, with the 'dr' type, no access rule makes sense, | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | the passive copies are meant to be "inaccessible" | 15:13 |
| bswartz | okay so since nidhimittalhada isn't here I'll propose her topic | 15:14 |
| bswartz | #topic access groups | 15:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "access groups (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:14 | |
| bswartz | so getting access rules implementation right is important because we finally have a volunteer to write access groups! | 15:14 |
| bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/design/access_groups | 15:14 |
| bswartz | we need some feedback on this spec | 15:15 |
| bswartz | I know it's hard to offer feedback in a wiki, personally I use the "discussion" feature of wiki | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | people are also welcome to use the ML to discuss this | 15:16 |
| bswartz | the basic idea is that if I have 10 shares with access to the same clients, and I want to grant access to another client, I shouldn't have to call 10 access-allow APIs to make that happen | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | additionally, if tenants would rather define their groups of clients outside of Manila, such as using neutron security groups, we should allow that | 15:17 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: would this have any overlap with generic groups? | 15:18 |
| bswartz | or similarly, if tenants wish to grant access to shares by instance ID rather than IP address, we should allow that | 15:18 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: it overlaps, but probably not in a good way | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: we can add possibility to add access by share list -> "manila access-allow share1,share2,shareN ip 1.1.1.1" | 15:19 |
| bswartz | if we had share groups, it would in theory be possible to access allow to the whole group of shares easily | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | but share groups might not be the same granularity as the desired access groups | 15:19 |
| bswartz | and I don't think we're considering hierarchical groups (groups of groups) for shares | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: i'll add that to the wiki's discussion | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: that solves half of the problem | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | #action: gouthamr will add share groups to access groups wiki discussion | 15:20 |
| cknight | bswartz: hierarchical groups wouldn't be that hard | 15:20 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: but what if I want to create a new share and give it the same access as all of my other shares | 15:21 |
| cknight | bswartz: but it could be a later enhancement | 15:21 |
| bswartz | cknight: I think it adds even more complexity | 15:21 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: your latest case is covered by second approach on wiki page | 15:21 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: with "inherit" command | 15:21 |
| bswartz | cknight: it's worth considering, but I suspect we'll decide not to do it | 15:21 |
| cknight | bswartz: yes, but the prototype Alex & I build 18 months ago had hierarchical groups | 15:21 |
| bswartz | oh you mean hierarchical groups for access | 15:22 |
| cknight | bswartz: yes! | 15:22 |
| bswartz | I meant hierarchical groups of shares for replication, consistency, etc | 15:22 |
| cknight | bswartz: that's definitely harder | 15:22 |
| cknight | bswartz: not sure it's worth the effort | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | me neither | 15:22 |
| bswartz | not only is it harder but it makes the UI that much more ugly | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | because you need capabilities which inherit and capabilities which don't inherit | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | in any case, now is the time to refine the access groups spec proposal from nidhi | 15:24 |
| bswartz | certainly by the time we come back from austin we should have made decisions on all of the open items | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | moving on.... | 15:25 |
| bswartz | #topic design summit planning | 15:25 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "design summit planning (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:25 | |
| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-newton-summit-topics | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | Thanks to all those who proposed session ideas, and thanks for voting on these | 15:26 |
| bswartz | we've got 2 fishbowl slots | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | the high vote-getters are: | 15:27 |
| bswartz | Concurrency issues in Manila | 15:27 |
| bswartz | Add "Revert share from snapshot"? | 15:27 |
| bswartz | Generic groups | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | so concurrency issues doesn't make sense to cover in a fishbowl -- that's more of a working session topic | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | and we covered snapshot revert in a fishbowl in tokyo | 15:28 |
| bswartz | do we need another one? | 15:28 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: do we have spec for it? | 15:28 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: design notes? | 15:29 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: we have the tokyo etherpad somewhere | 15:29 |
| bswartz | it seems like we have new information and questions that didn't get resolved in the last 6 months | 15:29 |
| cknight | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-mitaka-summit-topics | 15:29 |
| bswartz | so maybe another fishbowl is called for | 15:29 |
| bswartz | cknight not that one | 15:30 |
| bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Mitaka/Etherpads#Manila | 15:30 |
| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-manila-snapshot-semantics | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: probably not the level of information you were lookign for | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: there is no point about revert to not latest snapshot - prohibited? | 15:31 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: it's something we haven't discussed | 15:31 |
| bswartz | we can add that topic to the end of this meeting | 15:32 |
| cknight | vponomaryov: I suspect there will be disagreement there, but it's a good question. | 15:32 |
| bswartz | We have 1 more week to finalize our design summit sessions | 15:32 |
| bswartz | if you have a great topic you forgot to add, it's not too late, but do it now, because I'm going to start scheduling things today | 15:32 |
| bswartz | oh crud I remembered another topic | 15:33 |
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| bswartz | let me modify agenda while gouthamr covers his topic | 15:33 |
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| bswartz | #topic Release notes, continued | 15:33 |
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| tbarron | late hello | 15:33 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: you're up | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300656/ | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | hi tbarron.. | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | thanks bswartz.. | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | alright, so the reno guideline's been up for review | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | i was hoping we can have consensus and a discussion | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | the examples may amuse you, but it was intentional :) | 15:35 |
| * bswartz marks tbarron tardy | 15:35 | |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: not funny enough, improve it! )) | 15:35 |
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| cknight | vponomaryov: +1 | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | thanks gouthamr | 15:36 |
| gouthamr | the idea was hoping we'd do renos whenever necessary, as noted.. | 15:37 |
| bswartz | the reno infrastructure has been in manila since early mitaka, but we haven't used it as much as we should have IMO | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | #link http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/manila/mitaka.html | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | so I think we should ask core reviewers to add renos to their checklist of things to look at before merging changes | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | if you see a change that needs a reno and doesn't have one, -1 it | 15:38 |
| cknight | bswartz: last week we agreed to use it more, provided we could make it objective when a reno was needed. That's why gouthamr wrote this. | 15:38 |
| bswartz | ah | 15:38 |
| cknight | gouthamr: thanks for writing this up | 15:38 |
| bswartz | okay sounds great | 15:38 |
| bswartz | #topic Midcycle meetup | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | so unfortunately I think we don't have enough critical mass to do the meetup in germany | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | I would love to have one in germany, out of fairness to our european core team members, but vponomaryov can't travel this summer, and I didn't hear that any of the americas-based cores could make it either | 15:40 |
| bswartz | so I think we should try again in ocata, but I don't think it makes sense to do the midcycle in europe for newton | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | mkoderer__: ^ | 15:41 |
| bswartz | sorry mkoderer and thanks for offering | 15:41 |
| cknight | bswartz: correct, the biergartens are closed in the winter | 15:41 |
| bswartz | what?!? | 15:41 |
| bswartz | no beer in winter time? | 15:41 |
| bswartz | ocata is a winter release.... | 15:42 |
| bswartz | or at least the midcycle for ocata release will fall in winter | 15:42 |
| bswartz | unless we hold it south of equator | 15:42 |
| cknight | bswartz: ganso could host one | 15:42 |
| ganso | O_O | 15:42 |
| bswartz | maybe ganso will invite us all to Sao Paulo | 15:42 |
| bswartz | lol | 15:42 |
| vponomaryov | cknight: does ganso know about it? )) | 15:42 |
| cknight | vponomaryov: he does now | 15:43 |
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| dustins | I for one hear that South America is really nice in the summer :) | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | dustins: it's nice in the winter too | 15:43 |
| markstur_ | our summer or their summer? | 15:43 |
| tpsilva | we pratically have summer all year long | 15:43 |
| dustins | markstur_: Either? | 15:43 |
| markstur_ | both | 15:44 |
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| dustins | lol | 15:44 |
| bswartz | okay moving on | 15:44 |
| bswartz | #topic revert to snapshot | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | there's no sense in waiting until summit to start gathering opinions about this feature | 15:44 |
| bswartz | it's an obviously useful feature which some backends can implement | 15:45 |
| bswartz | the main question is this | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | if you have 2 or more snapshots, and you want to revert to one that's not the latest, is it okay to delete the later ones in the process of reverting? | 15:45 |
| bswartz | so I have snapshots A, B, and C (in that order) | 15:46 |
| bswartz | and I want to revert to B | 15:46 |
| vponomaryov | and second: "how to determine "latestness"?" | 15:46 |
| bswartz | after revert, I might only have snapshots A and B | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | specifically, we need to think about whether this makes sense from an end user perspective | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: maybe Manila API shouldn't worry about this.. | 15:46 |
| bswartz | and also we need to know from vendors who might implement this feature if anyone can revert to snapshot B *without* deleting snapshot C | 15:47 |
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| vponomaryov | ZFsonLinux cannot | 15:47 |
| vponomaryov | only latest | 15:47 |
| bswartz | if the answer is that we must delete all "later" snapshots in order to revert to a specific snapshot, then obviously we need to introduce a concept of snapshot ordering into manila | 15:47 |
| zhongjun_ | In my backend can support this. | 15:47 |
| markstur_ | I don't think I'd need to invalidate older snapshots. | 15:48 |
| bswartz | the current timestamps for the snapshots in the Manila DB aren't actually guarnateed to reflect the true ordering of the snapshots | 15:48 |
| ganso | I think we would need to enforce that a snapshot is a recoverable image | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: wouldn't the `created_at` attribute already do the ordering for you? | 15:48 |
| vponomaryov | markstur_: newer, not older | 15:48 |
| ganso | so Snapshot B can be reverted to even if reverted to a prior | 15:48 |
| bswartz | markstur_: not the older ones, the ones taken after the snapshot being reverted to | 15:48 |
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| markstur_ | yeah. what vponomaryov said | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | zhongjun_: you can revert to B without deleting C? is that an efficient operation or does it involve a data copy? | 15:49 |
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| vponomaryov | also, replication needs will break it in case of ZFSonLinux | 15:49 |
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| markstur_ | it would involve data copy though | 15:49 |
| cknight | gouthamr: Not if created_at is set in the API layer and the snapshot is taken asynchronously. | 15:50 |
| vponomaryov | there "service" snapshot will be latest almost always | 15:50 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: it wouldn't need to break replication | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: zfs driver could simply restart replication at the point of the snapshot being reverted to | 15:50 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: I mean ZFsonLinux driver cannot support revert on replicated shares | 15:50 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: so part of the revert operation on a replicated snapshot would be to reset the "base" snapshot for replication | 15:51 |
| bswartz | replicated share* | 15:51 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: created_at is the time the DB record was created, which is typically different from the time the snapshot was created by possibly dozens or hundreds of milliseconds | 15:52 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: we can update that field from share-manager | 15:53 |
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| gouthamr | bswartz cknight: true.. we need a available_at sorta field | 15:53 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: that's what I meant by "introduce a concept of snapshot ordering into manila" | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | maybe the way we do it is we force drivers to update timestamp to the true timestamp on the backend | 15:54 |
| cknight | gouthamr: yes, and with multiple threads in multiple share services, you really ought to get that timestamp from the backend to be sure. | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | cknight: +1 | 15:54 |
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| markstur_ | Doing a revert that destoys current data and recent snapshots in favor of some older snapshot (that hopefully is the one you want). Is a very dangerous thing. | 15:55 |
| bswartz | okay so we have ideas about how to solve this if we decide to delete snapshots on revert | 15:55 |
| bswartz | however we're no closer to the answer about whether this is a good idea or note | 15:55 |
| bswartz | or not* | 15:55 |
| bswartz | we know of at least 2 backends that cannot revert while preserving newer snapshots | 15:56 |
| vponomaryov | generic? windows? | 15:56 |
| bswartz | my instinct is the same as markstur_'s | 15:56 |
| markstur_ | those 2 are probably the most optimized | 15:56 |
| tbarron | bswartz: are you thinking the driver would choose to revert older snaps or that this would be a universal decision for all drivers even if they don't have to. | 15:56 |
| markstur_ | s/optimized/dangerous/ | 15:56 |
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| zhongjun_ | bswartz:If I remember right, It is an efficient operation in array. | 15:57 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: we have to define what the semantics of the revert API are | 15:57 |
| markstur_ | I still think it would be nice to have. Even if it has "warning, warning, warning" on it. But that is reason to pause and consider. | 15:57 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: hm, I think, ZFs can support revert to not latest, using tricky thing called "clone" | 15:57 |
| bswartz | tbarron: if backends can't match the semantics we define, then they don't implement the feature | 15:57 |
| bswartz | my fear is that we define revert in such a way that either very few backends implement it, or that the implementation are awful and nobody uses it | 15:58 |
| tbarron | yeah, drivers that implement snaps as read only clones shouldn't have an issue keepin C when reverted to B | 15:59 |
| bswartz | so we should take the time to the this one right | 15:59 |
| bswartz | to get* this one right | 15:59 |
| ganso | time check | 15:59 |
| bswartz | oh well I introduced this issue | 15:59 |
| bswartz | maybe more time is needed in Austin after all.... | 15:59 |
| bswartz | we are indeed at the end of our time | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | thanks all | 16:00 |
| markstur_ | right on time | 16:00 |
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| tbarron | bye | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 7 16:00:22 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-04-07-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-04-07-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-04-07-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:00 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:00 |
| xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:00 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 7 16:00:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| xarses | Who's here? | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:00 |
| monester | hi | 16:00 |
| maximov | Hi | 16:00 |
| rlu | hi | 16:00 |
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| akislitsky_ | hi | 16:00 |
| mwhahaha | hi | 16:01 |
| ashtokolov | hi | 16:01 |
| evgenyl | hi | 16:01 |
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| fzhadaev | Hi! | 16:01 |
| dpyzhov | hi | 16:01 |
| holser_ | \o/ | 16:02 |
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| xarses | #topic action items from last meeting | 16:02 |
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| xarses | mwhahaha alex_didenko zynzel will document remaining gaps in idempotency coverage | 16:02 |
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| xarses | #chair kozhukalov | 16:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: kozhukalov xarses | 16:02 |
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| mwhahaha | i'm not aware of any movement ont hat | 16:04 |
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| xarses | mwhahaha: thanks | 16:04 |
| xarses | on to the main event, | 16:05 |
| xarses | #topic Mixed team status (rlu/mrelewicz) | 16:05 |
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| rlu | Hi, for the last week, Mixed team was working on bugfixing. That’s all. | 16:05 |
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| xarses | have you started planning what you will address in newton? | 16:05 |
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| rlu | not yet | 16:06 |
| xarses | ok | 16:06 |
| xarses | #topic UI Team status (vkramskikh) | 16:06 |
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| vkramskikh | Hi! Since the last week we had 8 outgoing and 6 incoming bugs. Currently we have 26 bugs (-10 since the last week), 5 of them are High (-2 since the last week). The remaining High bugs are mostly related to unlock-settings-tab and and NFV, we plan to fix them in the next few days. | 16:06 |
| vkramskikh | We also promoted a few medium bugs to High to be able to fix them after SCF, because all the fixes were ready, but on Tuesday there was incident with NPM registry, so all npm-run jobs for all OpenStack projects were failing. Here is the bug: https://github.com/npm/npm/issues/12196 - it's still not fixed. For fuel-ui this job was made non-voting. For other projects this issue was solved by upgrading nodejs to 4.x LTS and NPM to | 16:06 |
| vkramskikh | 3.x on OpenStack infra. This change broke our linting job (even though it's non-voting) - this seems to be a new Critical bug for us, we'll investigate. | 16:06 |
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| vkramskikh | Questions? | 16:06 |
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| mihgen | vkramskikh: have you done with unlocked settings tab.. ? | 16:07 |
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| vkramskikh | mihgen: yes, but there are still some bugs. like inability to rollback to deployed settings from the dashboard | 16:08 |
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| mihgen | ok. I assume we plan to fix those before HCF.. | 16:08 |
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| vkramskikh | yes, both backend and UI patches are on review | 16:09 |
| vkramskikh | BTW, when is HCF? | 16:09 |
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| vkramskikh | for 9.0 | 16:09 |
| vkramskikh | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel/9.0_Release_Schedule here is only HCF for 9.0.1 mentioned | 16:09 |
| xarses | next week then? | 16:10 |
| vkramskikh | I think yes | 16:10 |
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| mihgen | well I hope that it can be fixed by 9.0 community release | 16:10 |
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| vkramskikh | yes, but nailgun patch is also needed - I can't make any guarantee on that | 16:11 |
| vkramskikh | UI patch is pretty simple | 16:11 |
| vkramskikh | so there shouldn't be any problems | 16:11 |
| xarses | moving? | 16:12 |
| vkramskikh | yes | 16:12 |
| xarses | #topic Fuel network team status (alex_didenko) | 16:12 |
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| alex_didenko | Right now we're working on bugs for Fuel-9.0. At the moment there are 17 unfixed network related bugs (among them: 3 sr-iov, 5 dpdk): | 16:12 |
| alex_didenko | 7 bugs unassigned | 16:12 |
| alex_didenko | 7 bugs in progress | 16:12 |
| alex_didenko | 9 bugs fixed during this week by the team | 16:12 |
| alex_didenko | That's all | 16:13 |
| holser_ | pretty quick :) | 16:13 |
| dpyzhov | sounds like you need two more weeks to fix them all | 16:14 |
| holser_ | you may refer to broken noop framework ;) | 16:14 |
| dpyzhov | right? ) | 16:14 |
| alex_didenko | can't provide any eta, some bugs are pretty tricky, also we keep getting new ones | 16:14 |
| mihgen | I'm worried to see low number of bugs, frankly | 16:14 |
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| mihgen | usually it means that we have not yet started thorough testing... | 16:14 |
| alex_didenko | about noop - it's better to proceed in ML ;) | 16:14 |
| alex_didenko | 17 critical/high bugs is not low | 16:15 |
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| alex_didenko | those are bygs with team-network tag (i.e. network related) | 16:15 |
| alex_didenko | *bugs | 16:15 |
| alex_didenko | we have plenty of others :) | 16:16 |
| mihgen | ok) | 16:16 |
| xarses | #topic Bugfix status (dpyzhov) // need to leave at 16:30 UTC | 16:17 |
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| dpyzhov | and about 'plenty of other bugs' ) | 16:17 |
| dpyzhov | Bugfix status. We passed SCF and here some numbers for medium/low/wishlist priority bugs in python and library. | 16:18 |
| dpyzhov | We have fixed 138 bugs. We’ve fixed 199 of them in 8.0 | 16:18 |
| dpyzhov | We invalidated 44 bugs. In 8.0 we invalidated 100 bugs. | 16:18 |
| dpyzhov | We have 109 open bugs. We had 139 at the SCF of 8.0 | 16:18 |
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| dpyzhov | We have 50 unassigned bugs without tags of feature teams in python and 7 in library. | 16:18 |
| dpyzhov | 11 of them are related to small components: client and fuelmenu. | 16:18 |
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| dpyzhov | So we have 39 unassigned bugs in python and most of them are tricky. | 16:18 |
| dpyzhov | For me it looks like great progress with bugfixing. Our current scope for old issues is tricky, but observable. Good job, team. | 16:18 |
| dpyzhov | of course it all depends on new findings | 16:18 |
| dpyzhov | thats all for SCF in bugfixing | 16:19 |
| dpyzhov | questions? | 16:19 |
| xarses | wow, nice breakdown | 16:19 |
| mihgen | +1 great job, especially in the light of major code changes and so many FFEs ! | 16:19 |
| holser_ | +1 | 16:19 |
| dpyzhov | new features helped to get rid of some old issues ) | 16:19 |
| mihgen | dpyzhov: and thanks for great report, very clear | 16:20 |
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| mihgen | dpyzhov: and this is super awesome :) | 16:20 |
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| angdraug | +1, nice way to show progress since 8.0 | 16:20 |
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| xarses | #topic Bulk movement of bugs to the Newton release (dpyzhov) | 16:22 |
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| dpyzhov | We created branches for Mitaka backports and we passed Mitaka SCF. Our master branches of all repos are switched to Newton release. | 16:22 |
| dpyzhov | It means that we should move all product bugs to Newton and target high priority bugs for backport to Mitaka. | 16:22 |
| dpyzhov | I know that each team has own flow for it’s bugs. For example, in python/library/ui we don’t want to backport bugs with ‘feature’, ‘tech-debt’, ‘covered-by-bp’ and ‘need-bp’ tags. | 16:22 |
| dpyzhov | I’m not sure about rules in other teams. | 16:22 |
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| dpyzhov | So I’m asking a question. Are we ok to move all bugs to Newton release and target high priority bugs for backport to Mitaka and let each team to update bugs manually according to their internal rules? | 16:22 |
| ogelbukh | I'm OK with that | 16:23 |
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| dpyzhov | what about infra/qa/other teams? | 16:23 |
| angdraug | isn't it going to be less work to leave the bugs in Mitaka and expect each team to clean up their low priority bugs? | 16:23 |
| ogelbukh | we handle all bugs via master branch anyways | 16:23 |
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| angdraug | I'm worried that we're placing the human factor risk in the wrong place | 16:24 |
| ogelbukh | angdraug: I guess that move is somewhat automated? | 16:24 |
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| angdraug | ogelbukh: somewhat. it will mess things up in many cases | 16:24 |
| ogelbukh | got it | 16:25 |
| angdraug | my point is, it's safer to leave some low priority bugs in Mitaka than accidentally move some high priority bugs to Newton and forget about them | 16:25 |
| dpyzhov | angdraug: as for python/library we reviewed our bugs and ready to move them to Newton automatically | 16:25 |
| dpyzhov | angdraug: we are in tricky position now | 16:25 |
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| dpyzhov | bugs are targeted to 9.0 and fixes are merged in newton | 16:26 |
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| angdraug | good point | 16:26 |
| dpyzhov | so we need to check every bug before merge manually in order to be sure that the bug is in right milestone | 16:26 |
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| bookwar | dpyzhov: if we change development focus on LP it will be ok | 16:27 |
| bookwar | as default series will be newton | 16:27 |
| dpyzhov | bookwar: you mean that bugs will not be marked as 'fix committed' automatically? | 16:28 |
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| dpyzhov | looks like a quick solution | 16:28 |
| bookwar | they won't be marked as fix-commited in mitaka series | 16:28 |
| dpyzhov | I guess we should do it | 16:28 |
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| bookwar | but then all bugs which are not currently targeted to mitaka explicitly, will be targeted to newton only | 16:29 |
| dpyzhov | it is acceptable, I guess | 16:29 |
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| dpyzhov | all new medium priority bugs should be targeted to Newton | 16:29 |
| bookwar | there will be number of bugs with default series and 9.0 milestone | 16:29 |
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| xarses | moving on? can I assign an action to follow up? | 16:30 |
| dpyzhov | so again, my proposal is to move all bugs to Newton, switch development focus and review bugs in order to backport some of them to Mitaka ) | 16:30 |
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| angdraug | maybe switch development focus first? | 16:31 |
| bookwar | xarses: i can take an action for dev focus | 16:31 |
| bookwar | and we'll discuss with dpyzhov | 16:31 |
| xarses | ok | 16:31 |
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| xarses | #action bookwar will update dev focus to newton | 16:32 |
| xarses | #action bookwar and dpyzhov will collaborate on next steps for moving bugs | 16:32 |
| xarses | #topic Tricky bug with MySQL https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1548271 status and discussion (sgolovatyuk) | 16:32 |
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| openstack | Launchpad bug 1548271 in Fuel for OpenStack "Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost'/Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock errors during cluster deployment" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Sergii Golovatiuk (sgolovatiuk) | 16:32 |
| holser_ | We have a tricky race | 16:33 |
| holser_ | and it occurs in very rare conditions | 16:33 |
| holser_ | unfortunately we cannot reproduce it locally. | 16:33 |
| holser_ | We are making some guesses to fix the bug | 16:33 |
| holser_ | It requires a little bit more time than expected | 16:34 |
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| holser_ | I have a few ideas I am going to implement some stuff tomorrow | 16:34 |
| holser_ | to get it done | 16:34 |
| holser_ | that’s all | 16:34 |
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| xarses | anything we can do to help? | 16:35 |
| holser_ | I will work with mwhahaha to get it done faster | 16:35 |
| holser_ | he will be able to test it tonight | 16:36 |
| holser_ | so I expect a merge tomorrow | 16:36 |
| xarses | ok | 16:36 |
| xarses | #topic fuel upgrade status (ogelbukh) | 16:36 |
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| ogelbukh | ok, let's see | 16:37 |
| ogelbukh | fuel upgrade status | 16:37 |
| ogelbukh | data-driven upgrade 8 to 9 IN DEVELOPMENT | 16:37 |
| ogelbukh | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/fuel-octane+branch:master+topic:upgrade-80-90 | 16:37 |
| ogelbukh | data-driven upgrade 7 to 8 DONE | 16:37 |
| ogelbukh | deliver fuel-octane updated package to 7 and 8 IN REVIEW | 16:37 |
| ogelbukh | we're working to make the packages properly available to existing installation | 16:38 |
| mihgen | 7->8 great! what happens with plugins in this case? | 16:38 |
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| ogelbukh | plugins are synced from the previous release as is | 16:38 |
| ogelbukh | if they are not compatible with 8, they will break most likely | 16:38 |
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| mihgen | hmmm this is what I'm not sure if I like ) | 16:39 |
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| xarses | so they should upgrade the plugins first? | 16:39 |
| mihgen | can we take a few major ones and see what happens | 16:39 |
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| ogelbukh | we need more testing on that | 16:39 |
| ogelbukh | which is currently beyond our capacity | 16:39 |
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| mihgen | we can't fully upgrade plugins either, because Fuel 8 will be still running Kilo cloud | 16:39 |
| mihgen | ogelbukh: it's not just testing, I'm pretty sure we'd need to do some engineering work there... | 16:40 |
| mihgen | ikalnitsky: around? | 16:40 |
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| akscram | plugins are preserved in the database and their tasks are synced from the filysystem but their still related for their release | 16:40 |
| ogelbukh | well, testing is required to understand the effeor | 16:40 |
| ogelbukh | *effort | 16:40 |
| akscram | it means that after upgrade it is not possible to use them for the new release | 16:40 |
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| ogelbukh | that's correct | 16:41 |
| mihgen | that's fine. I need them to be usable for the old release on Kilo | 16:41 |
| akscram | new versions of plugins should be installed manually if you want to use them for the new release | 16:41 |
| ogelbukh | yes, we need to test scale out case mostly | 16:41 |
| mihgen | ogelbukh: yep | 16:41 |
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| ogelbukh | and if we manage to deploy Kilo with 8, then that case too | 16:41 |
| mihgen | and in Fuel 8-> 9 research about lcm cases too | 16:42 |
| ogelbukh | we've done it successfully once by now | 16:42 |
| mihgen | ogelbukh: yes | 16:42 |
| ogelbukh | with some minor issues | 16:42 |
| mihgen | did you need to hack some code? | 16:42 |
| mihgen | or it was out of the box? | 16:42 |
| akscram | without working lcm it is hard to research anything | 16:42 |
| ogelbukh | yes, a bit of hacking and bit of backports | 16:42 |
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| ogelbukh | nothing exceptional, as I understand | 16:42 |
| ikalnitsky | mihgen: sorry, yep, i'm around | 16:43 |
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| ogelbukh | openstack env upgrade status | 16:43 |
| ogelbukh | upgrade 7 to 8 IN REVIEW | 16:43 |
| ogelbukh | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/fuel-octane+branch:master+status:open+owner:%22Sergey+Abramov+%253Csabramov%2540mirantis.com%253E%22+topic:%22%22 | 16:43 |
| mihgen | ogelbukh: if we need to push patches to updates for Fuel 8, then we need to do it... | 16:43 |
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| mihgen | or it's only about octane? I thought some work on nailgun side is needed | 16:43 |
| ogelbukh | we have a bunch of commits in review that adjust octane to be able to upgrade openstack 7 to 8 | 16:43 |
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| mihgen | because by default, Fuel doesn't allow to create new envs of older releases after upgrade | 16:44 |
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| ogelbukh | no, it's about nailgun too | 16:44 |
| ikalnitsky | mihgen: it's artificial limitation. could be changed via api, i believe | 16:44 |
| ogelbukh | I will summarize and send an email to openstack-dev | 16:44 |
| mihgen | I see only octane patches in the shared link | 16:44 |
| mihgen | ogelbukh: ok thanks | 16:44 |
| mihgen | sorry folks for holding too long on this | 16:44 |
| ogelbukh | this link is about patches to upgrade openstack | 16:44 |
| ogelbukh | so it's only octane | 16:45 |
| ogelbukh | deployment of old release requires fixes in nailgun | 16:45 |
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| ogelbukh | let's move on | 16:45 |
| xarses | #topic configdb api status (ogelbukh) | 16:45 |
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| ogelbukh | configdb status | 16:46 |
| ogelbukh | API extension is DONE | 16:46 |
| ogelbukh | integration with LCM plugin IN TESTING | 16:46 |
| ogelbukh | automated functional tests IN REVIEW | 16:46 |
| ogelbukh | automated integration tests IN REVIEW | 16:46 |
| ogelbukh | fuel2 extension CLI client IN REVIEW | 16:46 |
| ogelbukh | still pending a merge of a spec: https://review.openstack.org/284109 | 16:46 |
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| ogelbukh | so we basically done from the functional standpoint | 16:46 |
| ogelbukh | except for cli part that slipped a little, expected tomorrow | 16:46 |
| mihgen | folks let's land the spec... it can be endless minor fixing. I'll review latest changes.. | 16:47 |
| ogelbukh | we still can't collect all required reviews for spec, so I will appreciate if you all could help | 16:47 |
| ogelbukh | we merged smaller one just today though | 16:47 |
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| ogelbukh | currently it is mostly testing, testing automation and cli | 16:47 |
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| ogelbukh | and we started desiging the next iteration, I will come up with proposals early next week | 16:48 |
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| ogelbukh | that's all on my side, if no question, then we can move on | 16:48 |
| xarses | #topic Enhancements Team status (ashtokolov) | 16:49 |
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| ashtokolov | Hi folks | 16:49 |
| ashtokolov | We are working on High and Critical bugs: | 16:49 |
| ashtokolov | Total - 26 | 16:49 |
| ashtokolov | In progress - 11 | 16:49 |
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| ashtokolov | Incomplete - 3 | 16:49 |
| ashtokolov | That's all | 16:49 |
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| xarses | #topic Telco Team Status (fzhadaev) | 16:50 |
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| fzhadaev | As on previous week our main activity during this week was fixing bugs: | 16:50 |
| fzhadaev | Done 9 | 16:50 |
| fzhadaev | In progress (in development and on review) 14 | 16:50 |
| fzhadaev | Any questions? | 16:50 |
| xarses | thanks | 16:51 |
| xarses | #topic Design Summit in Austin - agenda | 16:51 |
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| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-newton-summit-planning | 16:51 |
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| xarses | xarses: mwhahaha ashtokolov aglarendil have topics that still need agenda's | 16:52 |
| mwhahaha | i do? | 16:52 |
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| xarses | you did as of a few min ago | 16:52 |
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| aglarendil | Okay, gimme one day to fill it in | 16:53 |
| mwhahaha | the link has been there for a few weeks now | 16:53 |
| mwhahaha | but i can copy-pasta if so required | 16:53 |
| xarses | holser_: , bookwar | 16:53 |
| xarses | mwhahaha: I may be blind | 16:53 |
| mihgen | yeah we need to fill it in, I've heard folks from att are interested, and other. Ideally self-explanatory so those who don't do daily work with fuel features can understand, join and provide feedback at sessions | 16:53 |
| holser_ | I have a discussion with Topic Leaders | 16:53 |
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| holser_ | I asked to update agenda as we need to send it to community | 16:53 |
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| mwhahaha | i shall copy paste | 16:54 |
| holser_ | so Topic leaders should do it today | 16:54 |
| holser_ | by the way xarses | 16:54 |
| xarses | mwhahaha: there is a link on yours at this point, thanks | 16:54 |
| holser_ | you’ve not put agenda for your tracks :) | 16:54 |
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| xarses | yes, I called my self on it too | 16:54 |
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| holser_ | I’ll continue working with Leads on agenda details | 16:55 |
| holser_ | kozhukalov: wants to announce agenda on next week | 16:55 |
| holser_ | so it will be visible to community | 16:55 |
| holser_ | guys will be able to plan their agenda accordingly | 16:55 |
| xarses | ok | 16:55 |
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| xarses | #topic open discuss | 16:56 |
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| xarses | anything else to raise? otherwise I will close the meeting shortly | 16:57 |
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| xarses | thanks everyone, have a good rest of your day. | 16:58 |
| xarses | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 7 16:58:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-04-07-16.00.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-04-07-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-04-07-16.00.log.html | 16:58 |
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| tmcpeak | #startmeeting security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 7 17:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmcpeak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
| ccneill | o/ | 17:00 |
| michaelxin | o/ | 17:00 |
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| singlethink | o/ | 17:00 |
| ccneill | I feel like I need a new greeting just to be different | 17:00 |
| ccneill | ﾟ･✿ヾ╲(｡◕‿◕｡)╱✿･ﾟ | 17:00 |
| ccneill | :D | 17:00 |
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| tmcpeak | ~o\ | 17:00 |
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| mdong | \o/ | 17:01 |
| elmiko | o/ | 17:01 |
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| elmiko | ccneill: very nice /me tips fedora | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak | no hyakuhei today, he passes his hello's | 17:01 |
| ccneill | \m/(>_<)\m/ | 17:01 |
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| tkelsey | o/ | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-20160407-agenda | 17:02 |
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| tmcpeak | allright, let's roll it | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | #topic Anchor | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | tkelsey: anything new here? | 17:03 |
| elmiko | imo, we really need to just use a single etherpad for all these agendas | 17:03 |
| ccneill | +1 | 17:03 |
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| ccneill | I end up bookmarking the new one every week lol | 17:03 |
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| elmiko | right... me too | 17:03 |
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| tkelsey | tmcpeak: nope, nothing on my radar | 17:03 |
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| elmiko | we could just have a long list (i've seen other projects do this) | 17:03 |
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| ccneill | would be easier to search | 17:04 |
| ccneill | but you can still quickly see just the most recent stuff | 17:04 |
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| michaelxin | good point | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | allright | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: like a wiki? | 17:04 |
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| elmiko | nah, we can keep it on etherpad. just a suggestion to make it more convenient | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | ahh cool | 17:05 |
| michaelxin | it is easier to copy and paste | 17:05 |
| ccneill | we can do it in reverse order so newest is still at the top | 17:05 |
| elmiko | although, other projects do use the openstack wiki for their agendas | 17:05 |
| michaelxin | :-) | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:05 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 17:05 |
| ccneill | boom | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | we'll put new meetings at the top | 17:05 |
| ccneill | making moves | 17:05 |
| elmiko | progress! | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | :D | 17:05 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | that's it, I can go back to bed | 17:06 |
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| elmiko | finally, an etherpad worth bookmarking ;) | 17:06 |
| elmiko | hahaha! | 17:06 |
| ccneill | lol DONE! | 17:06 |
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| tmcpeak | this is why they pay me the big bucks, I steal elmiko's good ideas for profit | 17:06 |
| elmiko | i'm happy to share =) | 17:06 |
| michaelxin | haha | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | allright | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Bandit | 17:06 |
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| tmcpeak | 1.0, 1.0, 1.0 | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | woot | 17:06 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 17:06 |
| michaelxin | +2 | 17:07 |
| tkelsey | well 1.0.1 :P | 17:07 |
| elmiko | hehe | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: it working allright for you guys? | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | I assume I would have heard about it if it didn't | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: you as well? | 17:07 |
| bknudson | haven't seen any problems. | 17:07 |
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| elmiko | tkelsey: did you ever sort out the 1.0 tag to pypi? | 17:07 |
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| tmcpeak | have you gotten rid of the old config? | 17:07 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: yup, working on our end | 17:07 |
| bknudson | someone should raise the requirement in global requirements. | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | browne proposed a change for that | 17:08 |
| bknudson | so we can forget about support for the old bandit | 17:08 |
| tkelsey | elmiko: nope, it seems jenkins/zuul whatever died | 17:08 |
| elmiko | we still have the old bandit.yaml | 17:08 |
| tkelsey | but the tag was taken then so i had to go with 1.0.1 | 17:08 |
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| elmiko | tkelsey: that stinks =( | 17:08 |
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| tkelsey | elmiko: i know!! | 17:08 |
| tkelsey | :( | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | well we could have manually pushed to PyPI but that sucks | 17:08 |
| elmiko | ack | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | I'd like to help projects start getting rid of their config | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | for those that use it | 17:09 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: I tried that, but it didnt like the manifest | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | ahh | 17:09 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: yeah tis https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302234/ | 17:09 |
| tkelsey | *this | 17:09 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: i'll take a look at removing ours, expect questions =D | 17:09 |
| tkelsey | elmiko: :D | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | why are they using a config at all? | 17:10 |
| tkelsey | in that path? | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, can just remove the bandit.yaml from that check in yeah? | 17:11 |
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| tkelsey | well the had pre 1.0 stuff, same as everyone else. Now thay can move to a bold new config free future :D | 17:11 |
| ccneill | (ﾉ^_^)ﾉ | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | ahh | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | sick | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | allright what else for Bandit? | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | anything? | 17:11 |
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| tkelsey | so yeah, lets start helping people move over | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | cool, plan | 17:12 |
| tkelsey | thats about it for bandit :) good work team | 17:12 |
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| tmcpeak | thanks for all the release guiding work tkelsey | 17:12 |
| elmiko | +1 | 17:12 |
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| tmcpeak | I will buy you beer$ at our next communal shindig | 17:12 |
| michaelxin | excellent work | 17:13 |
| ccneill | +1.0.1 | 17:13 |
| ccneill | ;) | 17:13 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: sounds like a plan :) | 17:13 |
| elmiko | haha | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | allright | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Docs | 17:13 |
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| tmcpeak | elmiko sicarie | 17:13 |
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| elmiko | don't think there is much new to report here | 17:13 |
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| elmiko | we've had a few more patches coming in, and some minor updates | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | where da pdf at | 17:13 |
| elmiko | but the big issue is still producing the new leaf version | 17:14 |
| elmiko | yea... | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | ;) | 17:14 |
| elmiko | we have top minds looking into it | 17:14 |
| sicarie | it's true, elmiko is the brains of the outfit | 17:14 |
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| elmiko | haha, i meant you and pdesai! | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | I'm a man of the people and the people demand sec guide PDF | 17:15 |
| sicarie | it's a huge pita and we were going to all get in a room at the summit and try to figure something out | 17:15 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | what's wrong with it? | 17:15 |
| sicarie | all the automated tools don't deal with mutliple files | 17:15 |
| sicarie | they want to convert rst from a single file | 17:15 |
| elmiko | yea, the rst move was awesome for making new content. but it makes generating a pdf really difficult | 17:15 |
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| tmcpeak | ahh | 17:16 |
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| elmiko | not to shed too much, but maybe we can developer a single-page html solution from the rst? | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | that or squash all the RST into one flat file and PDF that ;) | 17:16 |
| elmiko | right | 17:16 |
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| tmcpeak | allright anyways | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | top minds and all that | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | onward | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Syntribos | 17:17 |
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| tmcpeak | lots going on here | 17:17 |
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| ccneill | yep :) | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | what it do? | 17:17 |
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| mdong | so ccneill has been working on documentation | 17:17 |
| mdong | which is something we sorely needed | 17:18 |
| ccneill | (thanks, elmiko, for getting us started!) | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | nice, docs are good | 17:18 |
| mdong | +1 | 17:18 |
| ccneill | started doing code documentation with RST docstrings | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | it getting any love at the summit btw? | 17:18 |
| ccneill | it's merged in master now, so if you wanna see what I've been playing with, do a tox -e docs | 17:18 |
| ccneill | tmcpeak: mdong and I won't be there unfortunately :\ | 17:18 |
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| mdong | michaelxin is the only one of us going to summit | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | it's like 3 blocks away from the castle :P | 17:19 |
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| tmcpeak | (yes I know they are different cities) | 17:19 |
| ccneill | sigh.. yeah | 17:19 |
| mdong | it’s like 30 blocks from my apartment | 17:19 |
| michaelxin | we do have austin office | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | you guys at least going to crash the party? | 17:19 |
| ccneill | which partY? | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | summit party | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | Oo there's other partys? | 17:20 |
| michaelxin | The summit party | 17:20 |
| * amrith wonders, the topic is "security" and they're talking about crashing a party ... | 17:20 | |
| ccneill | yeah I think someone mentioned there were a few evening parties, but I haven't done a summit before so I don't know much about it | 17:20 |
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| tmcpeak | amrith: it's how we roll :D | 17:20 |
| elmiko | amrith: shhh | 17:20 |
| ccneill | amrith: we'll bring hacked HID cards and all ;) | 17:20 |
| elmiko | ;) | 17:20 |
| mdong | i’ll bring my ski mask | 17:20 |
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| elmiko | mdong rolls serious! | 17:20 |
| michaelxin | let's get back to Syntribos | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | yep, back on topic | 17:21 |
| mdong | go hard or go home | 17:21 |
| mdong | anyway | 17:21 |
| elmiko | haha | 17:21 |
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| michaelxin | rahul pushed code change for payloads of keystone | 17:21 |
| * amrith wanders away, I heard party and came here. no party and I'm off | 17:21 | |
| elmiko | amrith: +1 | 17:21 |
| michaelxin | ccneill and mcdong are working on improving reporting features. | 17:21 |
| mdong | or rather, “request templates”, as we are calling them now | 17:21 |
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| mdong | we’ve also started the process of removing OpenCAFE dependencies | 17:22 |
| ccneill | I think we've mostly got the finding/issue/defect/whatever schema figured out at this point | 17:22 |
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| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:22 |
| ccneill | https://github.com/cneill/syntribos-schema | 17:22 |
| ccneill | for anyone who's curious | 17:22 |
| ccneill | sorry | 17:22 |
| ccneill | #link https://github.com/cneill/syntribos-schema | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | yea looks reasonable | 17:23 |
| michaelxin | That should cover what we are working on. | 17:23 |
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| ccneill | yep, we'll be rejoined by Rahul in a few weeks after training | 17:23 |
| ccneill | so just mdong and I for the moment | 17:23 |
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| tmcpeak | still seems like you guys are flying through the work | 17:23 |
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| mdong | there’s a few places where it’s low hanging fruit to remove OpenCAFE, ccneill and rahulunair have ben working on that | 17:24 |
| michaelxin | I want to talk a little more about the broken API that we talked last week | 17:24 |
| ccneill | yep, removed OpenCAFE's custom TestSuite class, but it looks like other deps may take a little more work | 17:24 |
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| michaelxin | We want to use the broken API as a test bed for Syntribos | 17:24 |
| michaelxin | What's your take on this? | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | makes perfect sense | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | are you planning to build up broken API as you go or write a lot of it and then build of Syntribos to detect? | 17:25 |
| michaelxin | We already have one | 17:25 |
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| tmcpeak | no I know | 17:26 |
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| ccneill | we'll probably focus on Syntribos first | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | I assume you'll keep adding to it? | 17:26 |
| michaelxin | We are thinking about adding defects while we are moving along | 17:26 |
| elmiko | i would love to see an overlap of broken api and machine learning to predict bad behaviors | 17:26 |
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| ccneill | we need to robustify some of our tests before it'll be ready to reliably detect weird edge cases and stuff | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | ideally you'd have different developers work on the broken API and Syntribos so you aren't fitting Syntribos to the broken API | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | but that might not be practical | 17:26 |
| ccneill | but it'll probably be some back-and-forth | 17:26 |
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| elmiko | tmcpeak: +1 to different devs | 17:26 |
| ccneill | tmcpeak: true | 17:26 |
| ccneill | so far mvaldes is our lead on the broken API | 17:27 |
| michaelxin | https://github.com/mattvaldes/vulnerable-api/ | 17:27 |
| ccneill | so not exactly a huge barrier between the two projects, but at least we're not literally copying/pasting or anything haha | 17:27 |
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| elmiko | nice | 17:27 |
| michaelxin | Will OpenStack accept it as a project in the future? | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | it should | 17:28 |
| michaelxin | Or does it make sense to make it a OWASP project? | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | don't mature security projects automatically get brought in? | 17:28 |
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| michaelxin | We have talked with OWASP and they showed strong interest. | 17:28 |
| elmiko | not sure, i think we still need to propose their addition to the openstack tent | 17:28 |
| ccneill | michaelxin: just thought of something. vulnerable API could be used for BOTH syntribos + bandit | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin: up to you guys really | 17:29 |
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| michaelxin | The problem is that it is not mature enough yet. | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | ccneill: it would make a good demo | 17:29 |
| michaelxin | ccneill: That's a good point. | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | for Bandit that is | 17:29 |
| ccneill | <3 dat synergy | 17:29 |
| michaelxin | Thanks all. | 17:29 |
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| tmcpeak | lol | 17:29 |
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| michaelxin | That's all for Syntribos and broken API | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | thanks RAXers | 17:30 |
| michaelxin | Time to think a cool name again | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | looking to be a cool tool | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Summit Planning | 17:30 |
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| tmcpeak | sdake: you around? | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | seems not :D | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | so I wanted to see how we're coming on the threat analysis sessions but given that sdake and hyakuhei are both not here let's punt | 17:32 |
| elmiko | fair | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | anything else anybody wants to say for summit planning? | 17:32 |
| sdake | tmcpeak yo | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | ahh there he is | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | he? she? | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | there it is | 17:32 |
| sdake | tmcpeak he :) | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | haha ok cool | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | there he is | 17:32 |
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| sdake | tmcpeak so ta - our plan is still in place to have cross project and 1 koll asummit session on ta | 17:32 |
| sdake | kolla deadline pushed to 15th, after that i work on diagrams for ta | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool, we get anywhere with setting up those sessions? | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | sdake: fair enough | 17:33 |
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| sdake | tmcpeak kolla's session is set, i submitted the cp session for review by the tc | 17:33 |
| sdake | i am certain it will be accepted | 17:33 |
| sdake | but its possible it may not be | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | awesome | 17:33 |
| sdake | that will be on tuesday | 17:33 |
| sdake | hui* will lead it | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | allright finger crossies | 17:34 |
| sdake | i am just a facilitator ;) | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | cool seems reasonable | 17:34 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | cool, that's all I wanted to check on summit | 17:34 |
| sdake | thanks and o/ sorry i'm late ;) | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | I'm skipping publicity for now since I don't think anybody has done or is doing anything | 17:34 |
| michaelxin | which project will we do TM? | 17:34 |
| sdake | completely skipped my mind | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | thanks sdake | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin: kolla | 17:34 |
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| michaelxin | tmcpeak: Thanks. | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | #topic OSSN | 17:35 |
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| elmiko | i started researching the mongo one | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei is working on an embargoed one | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: sweet | 17:35 |
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| elmiko | but, some internal stuff started heating up and i wasn't able to start writing it yet :/ | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | looks like michaelxin is assigned on that one | 17:35 |
| michaelxin | elmiko: you already started? | 17:35 |
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| michaelxin | I just signed up today. | 17:36 |
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| elmiko | michaelxin: just research, if you have a good handle on it, go for it | 17:36 |
| michaelxin | I will not fight elmiko for this. | 17:36 |
| elmiko | no no, it's fine | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:36 |
| elmiko | i'm out next week anyways, so probably best if someone can work on it | 17:36 |
| michaelxin | elmiko: Cool, I will take on this one. | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:36 |
| elmiko | great, thanks michaelxin ! | 17:36 |
| michaelxin | elmiko: anytime | 17:36 |
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| michaelxin | The only remaining issue is that we do not know whether it impacted other versions. | 17:37 |
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| elmiko | yea | 17:37 |
| michaelxin | Rob asked them did not get answer. | 17:37 |
| michaelxin | I asked them again. | 17:37 |
| elmiko | and other dbs too | 17:37 |
| michaelxin | Once we have all infos, I can start working on it. | 17:38 |
| michaelxin | elmiko: good point | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:38 |
| elmiko | it seemed like they tried to limit the issue to mongo production stuff, the other dbs seemed like experimental | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | dave-mccowan: you working on this one still? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1523646 | 17:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1523646 in OpenStack Security Notes "Nova/Cinder Key Manager for Barbican Uses Stale Cache" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Dave McCowan (dave-mccowan) | 17:38 |
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| tmcpeak | allright we can follow up more next week | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | thanks for the work on those | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Blog | 17:40 |
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| tmcpeak | sicarie: you've been working on stuff, yeah | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | ? | 17:40 |
| dave-mccowan | tmcpeak https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267800/ | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko dave-mccowan: ok, what do we need to unblock here? | 17:41 |
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| dave-mccowan | i'll update the patch description to mention the bug id, that's why it's not linked. | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | looks like cosmetic changes | 17:41 |
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| elmiko | i think we just need to figure out how we will handle project names | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | so it's in good shape | 17:41 |
| sicarie | sorry, was multitasking | 17:41 |
| elmiko | since rob went with capitalized for his, i'm ok with doing that on 0063 | 17:42 |
| sicarie | yes, I have two blog posts pending | 17:42 |
| sicarie | one is a blurb about image signing | 17:42 |
| elmiko | i'll take another look at that | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | lol, everybody woke up at once | 17:42 |
| sicarie | the other will probably take quite a bit more work - i just threw up a rough draft | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | ok so first note | 17:42 |
| sicarie | https://github.com/openstack-security/openstack-security.github.io/pulls | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | small changes and then this is done | 17:42 |
| elmiko | dave-mccowan: minor spelling/grammer stuff aside, let's just go with capitalized project names | 17:43 |
| elmiko | i'll add a comment to the reivew | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | sicarie: this looks good | 17:43 |
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| sicarie | Yeah, the shorter one should be pretty ready | 17:43 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:44 |
| michaelxin | good job | 17:44 |
| sicarie | the other one i was actually thinking about refactoring and looking at "traditional" vs something like an embedded team model | 17:44 |
| sicarie | but yeah, please comment/nit/anything | 17:44 |
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| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | so please have a look at sicarie's blog post if you get a chance | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | posts | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | #topic AOB | 17:45 |
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| tmcpeak | anything else? might wrap early today | 17:45 |
| elmiko | those posts are pull requests in github currently? | 17:45 |
| sicarie | yes | 17:46 |
| elmiko | thanks! | 17:46 |
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| tmcpeak | allright well if nothing else let's roll it | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | #endmeeting | 17:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:47 | |
| tmcpeak | Thanks everybody! | 17:47 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 7 17:47:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:47 |
| michaelxin | Thanks | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | have a good week | 17:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-04-07-17.00.html | 17:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-04-07-17.00.txt | 17:47 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-04-07-17.00.log.html | 17:47 |
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| elmiko | thanks tmcpeak | 17:47 |
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| ccneill | o/ | 17:47 |
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