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Swami | hi | 15:00 |
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haleyb | hi swami | 15:00 |
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haleyb | #startmeeting neutron_dvr | 15:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 6 15:00:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is haleyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_dvr' | 15:00 |
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haleyb | #chair Swami | 15:00 |
openstack | Current chairs: Swami haleyb | 15:00 |
haleyb | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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obondarev | hi | 15:01 |
Swami | obondarev: hi | 15:01 |
haleyb | Just realized i forgot to update this section on the wiki | 15:01 |
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Swami | haleyb: I updated a bit | 15:02 |
haleyb | Guess my only announcement is we've been seeing some issues and proposed some reverts, can cover that in bugs | 15:02 |
Swami | haleyb: I just updated about the RC3, do you have anything more. | 15:02 |
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haleyb | oh, guess I forgot about RC3, yes, it's final final i hope | 15:03 |
haleyb | #topic Bugs | 15:03 |
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Swami | haleyb: hi | 15:03 |
Swami | This week as you mentioned we have uncovered more bugs. | 15:03 |
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Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1564776 | 15:04 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1564776 in neutron "DVR l3 agent should check for snat namespace existence before adding or deleting anything from the namespace" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:04 |
obondarev | this one is about manual deleting of snat namespace, right? | 15:04 |
Swami | This is related to the agent not checking for the existence of the namespace before proceeding with adding or deleting interfaces to the namespace. | 15:05 |
Swami | obondarev: yes, but it also covers, certain uncleaned namespaces which is caused due to some errors. | 15:05 |
Swami | This throws in a bunch of log messages in the l3 agent over and over. | 15:05 |
Swami | Right now i have a patch under review. | 15:05 |
Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300358/ | 15:06 |
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Swami | Do you have anymore questions on this bug/patch or can I move on. | 15:07 |
obondarev | not from my side | 15:07 |
haleyb | i'll just go review it | 15:08 |
Swami | ok thanks. | 15:08 |
Swami | Let us move on | 15:08 |
Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1564757 | 15:08 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1564757 in neutron "Configure DVR fip router fail when l3 agent restarts and it cannot be recovered" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to RaoFei (milo-frao) | 15:08 |
Swami | This is a new bug filed this week, there is no patch yet for this bug. I need to triage it. | 15:08 |
Swami | This is related to unfinished FIP namespace state while the agent restarts. | 15:09 |
Swami | I will try to validate this. There might be some clean up loop that we should be handling for unfinished or errored out floatingips with DVR. | 15:10 |
haleyb | do you have to kill things at just the right time for this? | 15:10 |
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haleyb | 1. loop create and delete fip on neutron-server side. | 15:11 |
haleyb | 2. loop restart l3 agent. | 15:11 |
Swami | haleyb: What I think is just verify the namespace that is in the node with the namespace data that we have in the agent cache and then clean up if not required. Also when Floatingip errors out, go through the clean loop to clean it up. | 15:11 |
Swami | haleyb: Yes this is timing related, but we can try to reduce it. | 15:11 |
Swami | Basically we need to make sure that the agent restart logic is solid with the DVR routers. | 15:12 |
Swami | Any other questions on this | 15:13 |
haleyb | right, it just doesn't seem the highest priority, but should get it fixed | 15:13 |
Swami | haleyb: you right. | 15:13 |
Swami | haleyb: probably it should be a low. | 15:13 |
Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1557290 | 15:14 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1557290 in neutron "DVR FIP agent gateway does not pass traffic directed at fixed IP" [Low,Triaged] | 15:14 |
Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1462154 | 15:14 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1462154 in neutron "With DVR Pings to floating IPs replied with fixed-ips if VMs are on the same network" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:14 |
haleyb | i have some comments on this | 15:14 |
Swami | Sorry the first link is the wrong link | 15:14 |
Swami | haleyb: yes. | 15:14 |
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Swami | This bug was reopened recently by carl_baldwin. | 15:15 |
haleyb | carl_baldwin proposed revert https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301348/ | 15:15 |
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haleyb | i wrote-up the explanation why in that review | 15:15 |
Swami | The reason is the snat functionality is partially done in a router namespace rather than in a snat namespace. | 15:15 |
haleyb | basically it looks like we could have a 5-tuple collision | 15:16 |
carl_baldwin | I'm catching up on the comments. | 15:16 |
haleyb | Swami: right. one solution might be to change the nat code to use port-ranges, such that the snat and qrouter namespace don't collide | 15:16 |
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haleyb | The other is to use your patch, which sends everything via the snat namespace | 15:17 |
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Swami | haleyb: yes we should look through it. The issue that Xiao had with my patch was, he was more concerned about the behavior that the packet was going through snat and looped back and reached the fipnamespace even if they both reside on the same node. | 15:18 |
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haleyb | Swami: yes, non-optimal but functionally correct. What do you think of forcing a port-range ? | 15:19 |
carl_baldwin | In most cases, it will go through snat ns anyway. | 15:19 |
carl_baldwin | It is just trying to optimize the case where two vms happen to land on the same host. It isn't a compelling optimization IMO. | 15:20 |
Swami | carl_baldwin: agreed | 15:20 |
carl_baldwin | But, I'm willing to entertain the port range idea a bit too. Though, it does seem a bit like a hack to optimize a lucky case. | 15:20 |
haleyb | carl_baldwin: yes, the odds are small that two are on the same node, except in our non-real-world testing :) | 15:21 |
carl_baldwin | haleyb: very good point! | 15:21 |
Swami | haleyb:+1 | 15:22 |
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haleyb | when we can support 500 VMs per compute... | 15:22 |
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Swami | Any other questions on this bug? if not we can move on. | 15:24 |
Swami | Ok, the next one is | 15:25 |
Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1566046 | 15:25 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1566046 in neutron "Fix TypeError when trying to update an arp entry for ports with allowed_address_pairs on DVR router" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:25 |
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Swami | There is a patch under review for this bug. | 15:25 |
Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301410/ | 15:25 |
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Swami | is anyone there | 15:27 |
Swami | I can't see any response | 15:28 |
haleyb | yes, i was looking at the review | 15:28 |
Swami | haleyb: thanks | 15:28 |
Swami | It was silent, so I just thought I got dropped. | 15:29 |
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haleyb | next? | 15:30 |
Swami | yes, let me move on | 15:30 |
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Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1564575 - (MUST FIX) (SNAT Move) | 15:30 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1564575 in neutron "DVR router namespaces are deleted when we manually move a DVR router from one SNAT_node to another SNAT_node even though there are active VMs in the node" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 15:30 |
Swami | Patch: * https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30 | 15:30 |
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Swami | The patch to address this bug is | 15:30 |
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Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300268/ | 15:31 |
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Swami | I need to add some test cases for this patch. | 15:31 |
Swami | But before we address this patch, there is an auto-scheduler issue with DVR routers that does not help this patch. | 15:31 |
Swami | So I have reverted the auto-schedule enablement for the dvr router patch. | 15:32 |
Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301880/ | 15:32 |
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Swami | I did see a comment from obondarev that there is another patch that assaf owns that might work. | 15:32 |
haleyb | Swami: Oleg mentioned https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285480 in that | 15:32 |
Swami | I have not tested with assaf patch, but will test it out. | 15:33 |
haleyb | that removes the auto-schedue code | 15:33 |
obondarev | yeah | 15:33 |
obondarev | that should help | 15:33 |
obondarev | anyway I thing it's too radical to revert | 15:33 |
Swami | will test it out, then we can probably push assaf patch first and then address the snat move patch, otherwise it would not work, or I will make mine dependent on the other. | 15:33 |
Swami | obondarev: sorry I was not intending to revert, but that's how it works. | 15:34 |
Swami | Ok, that's all I had for the new bugs this week. | 15:35 |
obondarev | Swami: no worries, I just want we handle it as correctly | 15:35 |
obondarev | as possible | 15:35 |
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Swami | obondarev: yes understood. | 15:36 |
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Swami | obondarev: also with the snat manual move, I just want to check if it does not affect the snat ha logic, if it has any dependency on auto-scheduler. | 15:36 |
Swami | I also have a patch related to SNAT move and also addresses this bug. | 15:37 |
Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1557909 | 15:37 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1557909 in neutron "SNAT namespace is not getting cleared after the manual move of SNAT with dead agent" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:37 |
Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302068/ | 15:38 |
Swami | This patch needs review | 15:38 |
Swami | Right now this bug has been filed against liberty, but this will be also seen when we introduce the snat move again in master. | 15:38 |
haleyb | Quick question about https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1562110 | 15:40 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1562110 in neutron "link-lock-address allocater for DVR has a limit of 256 address pairs per node" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:40 |
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haleyb | carl_baldwin: did you want us to remove the constants.py changes from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297839/ for this? | 15:40 |
Swami | haleyb: yes | 15:40 |
* carl_baldwin looks... | 15:40 | |
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carl_baldwin | yes | 15:41 |
Swami_ | sorry got disconnected | 15:41 |
haleyb | carl_baldwin: ok, i'll split it out as I added it in the first place | 15:41 |
Swami_ | haleyb: what are we planning to split | 15:42 |
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haleyb | Swami: removing the constants.py changes from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297839/ into a follow-on. i.e. fix the bug first, then make it pretty | 15:42 |
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Swami_ | haleyb: ok got it | 15:43 |
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haleyb | i'll take care of it toda | 15:43 |
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Swami_ | haleyb: thanks | 15:43 |
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Swami_ | that's all I have for the bugs today. | 15:44 |
haleyb | Any other bugs anyone wants to bring up ? | 15:45 |
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Swami_ | nothing more. | 15:46 |
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haleyb | #topic Gate Failures | 15:47 |
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Swami_ | The multinode failures have subsided. | 15:47 |
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Swami_ | But the delta for the single node check job is above normal. | 15:48 |
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haleyb | yes, still higher than base job, i can't say i've seen a clear-cut pattern (yet) | 15:49 |
Swami_ | I haven't had a chance to see the details, but this is based on the graph. | 15:49 |
Swami_ | haleyb: you are right it always fluctuates. | 15:49 |
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haleyb | i always say i'll spend a day looking, but never found that much time, so parly just relying on each of us to raise when a specific issue is noticed | 15:51 |
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Swami_ | haleyb: yes same here | 15:51 |
haleyb | i.e. if you see a failure in one of your patches, look in logs before running recheck | 15:52 |
obondarev | ++ | 15:52 |
Swami_ | haleyb:++ | 15:52 |
obondarev | or in patches that you review | 15:52 |
haleyb | we could always blame it in tox_install.sh, or whatever that was last week | 15:53 |
haleyb | :) | 15:53 |
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haleyb | moving on... | 15:53 |
haleyb | #topic Stable backports | 15:53 |
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haleyb | imo, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273235/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273236/ need to merge into stable/libery, as they make some base changes that make other backports easier | 15:54 |
Swami_ | haleyb: ok will take a look at those patches. | 15:55 |
haleyb | ihar +2'd them today, need to get someone else with stable +2 power to take a look | 15:55 |
Swami_ | haleyb: good | 15:55 |
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haleyb | #topic Open Discussion | 15:56 |
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haleyb | any other issues, got 3 minutes | 15:57 |
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Swami_ | haleyb: the nova patch that we had for live migration is still idle. | 15:57 |
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haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275073/ | 15:57 |
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haleyb | Do we need to get the tempest change in? maybe ping mattm on that patch | 15:58 |
Swami_ | haleyb: yes, it has +1s from the neutron cores right now. | 15:58 |
Swami_ | haleyb: ok will ping him again today | 15:58 |
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haleyb | i think he was fine with the nova patch merging without the tempest one | 15:59 |
Swami_ | haleyb: yes that's what I thought as well | 15:59 |
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haleyb | if we can get one +2 the other should follow quickly | 15:59 |
Swami_ | haleyb: yes | 16:00 |
haleyb | top of hour, thanks everyone | 16:00 |
haleyb | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 6 16:00:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2016/neutron_dvr.2016-04-06-15.00.html | 16:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2016/neutron_dvr.2016-04-06-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2016/neutron_dvr.2016-04-06-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
Swami_ | bye | 16:00 |
rkukura | hi ML2’ers! | 16:00 |
yamamoto | hi | 16:00 |
Sukhdev_ | hello | 16:01 |
yamahata | hello | 16:01 |
rkukura | with scheuran, we’ve got the usual suspects, so lets get started... | 16:02 |
rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 6 16:02:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:02 |
scheuran | hi | 16:02 |
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rkukura | #topic Agenda | 16:02 |
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rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_April_6.2C_2016 | 16:03 |
rkukura | Does anyone want to add/remove anything from the agenda today? | 16:03 |
rkukura | should be a relatively quick meeting today | 16:03 |
rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
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rkukura | The Mitaka release is this week | 16:04 |
rkukura | Newton summit is approaching | 16:04 |
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rkukura | and, … | 16:04 |
rkukura | today is Sukhdev_’s birthday! | 16:04 |
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Sukhdev_ | It was my turn to chair - hence, Bob graciously agreed to chair | 16:05 |
scheuran | Sukhdev_, happy birthday!! | 16:06 |
rkukura | Sukhdev_ did the agenda, and kept it nice and short, so I’m happy to do it! | 16:06 |
Sukhdev_ | Thanks scheuran | 16:06 |
rkukura | any other announcements? | 16:06 |
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rkukura | #topic Design Summit Ideas | 16:07 |
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rkukura | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-summit-ideas | 16:07 |
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Sukhdev_ | If you look at item 1, I am trying to get a session for Manila integration with Neutron - | 16:08 |
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rkukura | We’ve got a couple of ML2 items, some OVS items, and others that will impact ML2 I’m sure | 16:08 |
Sukhdev_ | this really has to do with HPB | 16:08 |
Sukhdev_ | Number of total session for Neutron is 9 - so, it is going to be tight | 16:09 |
rkukura | Sukhdev_: Yes, I’ve had some conversions regarding this as well - its really that Manilla was assuming the providernet extension was all it needed to know to attach to networks, which never was really guaranteed | 16:09 |
rkukura | Maybe a manilla session for that one? | 16:09 |
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rkukura | That might also be something we can discuss with the appropriate manilla people on Friday | 16:10 |
rkukura | Anything missing that should be discussed at the summit? | 16:10 |
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Sukhdev_ | rkukura : Yup - Friday session will be good | 16:10 |
rkukura | meetbot was not running last week, so its possible something was mentioned that I don’t recall | 16:11 |
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Sukhdev_ | rkukura : I discussed with armax to group some of these topics into one session | 16:11 |
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rkukura | ok | 16:12 |
Sukhdev_ | for instance, visibility into segments of a network (added by rkukura), and manila requirements, routed network's segments, etc.. | 16:12 |
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Sukhdev_ | all related to visibility into HPB and segments related to a network | 16:13 |
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yamamoto | rkukura: missing part of log: http://paste.openstack.org/show/492483/ | 16:13 |
rkukura | yamamoto: thanks! | 16:13 |
rkukura | I just noticed the PBAM idea on the etherpad - this looks like some kind of alternative to backend-specific ML2 extension drivers, so might be of interest | 16:15 |
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rkukura | Sukhdev_: Did armax say when he’d have an initial session schedule ready? | 16:15 |
Sukhdev_ | no | 16:16 |
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rkukura | OK | 16:16 |
rkukura | Anything else on this topic? | 16:16 |
Sukhdev_ | I think the deadline to putting sessions on schedule is April 17 | 16:16 |
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Sukhdev_ | so, probably some time next week | 16:16 |
rkukura | thanks | 16:17 |
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rkukura | #topic Migration and Port Binding | 16:17 |
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rkukura | scheuran: I added the links to my old DVR cleanup patch and bug to last week’s agenda | 16:18 |
scheuran | rkukura, oh cool, have not yet seen it | 16:18 |
scheuran | thanks | 16:18 |
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rkukura | Do you have any update for us? | 16:18 |
scheuran | #link https://review.openstack.org/297100 | 16:18 |
scheuran | ^ this is the prototype - did some refactoring | 16:19 |
scheuran | and the nova live migration guys asked me to write down a nova spec | 16:19 |
scheuran | #link https://review.openstack.org/301090 | 16:19 |
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scheuran | haven't found any showstopper so far | 16:20 |
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rkukura | scheuran: Thanks! | 16:20 |
scheuran | rkukura, but I'll also have a look at your patchset regarding portbinding, maybe this is a good alternative | 16:20 |
scheuran | that's it | 16:20 |
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rkukura | So this approach just updates the port with the new host_id, land uses the port binding results for the new activation of the instance? | 16:21 |
scheuran | rkukura, exactly | 16:21 |
rkukura | This sounds like it should be sufficient in many cases | 16:22 |
scheuran | and on migration failure, I set the host_id back to the source port | 16:22 |
rkukura | makes sense | 16:22 |
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rkukura | If some ML2 MD immediately stopped the flow of traffic when its port binding was torn down, would that be a problem with this approach? | 16:23 |
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scheuran | rkukura, yes | 16:23 |
scheuran | that would be a problem | 16:23 |
scheuran | cause it might take some time to migrate the instance | 16:24 |
scheuran | in this timeframe it is not available | 16:24 |
rkukura | Is there an assumption both run at the same time? Or should there be a separate explicit cut-over of traffic after the new one is ready? | 16:24 |
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scheuran | rkukura, there is a explicit cut over | 16:25 |
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scheuran | so for a few millisends it is not reachable | 16:25 |
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rkukura | scheuran: How is that cutover implemented in terms of the Neutron API? | 16:26 |
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scheuran | rkukura, sorry, I didn't get the question | 16:26 |
scheuran | Neutron API is not affected at all, I think | 16:27 |
scheuran | nova triggers the migration (e.g. via a command to libvirt) | 16:27 |
scheuran | libvirt starts migrating | 16:27 |
rkukura | OK, maybe that is all that’s needed | 16:28 |
scheuran | at one point, libvirt decides to pause the source | 16:28 |
scheuran | copy over the rest | 16:28 |
scheuran | and activate the instance on the target | 16:28 |
scheuran | after that succeeded, nova updates the portbinding | 16:28 |
rkukura | So the assumtion is that Neutron will allow traffic to/from both VMs while this is happening? | 16:29 |
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scheuran | rkukura, yes | 16:29 |
rkukura | And libvirt is what’s ensuring only one is active on the network at any one time? | 16:29 |
scheuran | rkukura, yes | 16:29 |
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scheuran | you will never have 2 running instances | 16:30 |
scheuran | at least one is in paused state | 16:30 |
scheuran | always | 16:30 |
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rkukura | OK, for the reference implementation we are probably OK, but I’m a bit concerned that some MDs may need to know not to stop traffic immediately when the port is initially unbound. | 16:31 |
scheuran | but what could be problematic is a scenario where you have a sdn controller | 16:31 |
scheuran | rkukura, agree | 16:31 |
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rkukura | So this is where the distributed binding support may be needed. | 16:31 |
scheuran | rkukura, yep | 16:32 |
yamamoto | fyi, midonet has the exact problem | 16:32 |
scheuran | why did it never land? | 16:32 |
rkukura | I never had time to complete the patches | 16:32 |
scheuran | yamamoto, ah interesting - so you're shutting down the port when the binding:host_id changes? | 16:32 |
rkukura | And it kind of fell off everyone’s priority list | 16:32 |
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scheuran | rkukura, ok - so there's still another use case for it | 16:33 |
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yamamoto | scheuran: well, it isn't binding:host_id. (so not the exact problem acutually) it stops the traffic on from-host when nova plugs the port on the to-host. ie. pre-livemigration | 16:34 |
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scheuran | yamamoto, ah ok | 16:34 |
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scheuran | yes, that's another problem | 16:35 |
scheuran | yamamoto, but do you have an idea how to get around? | 16:35 |
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yamamoto | scheuran: no idea. but i suspect it needs some explicit notification from nova, or multiple-plugging support in midonet-side. | 16:36 |
scheuran | rkukura, so let me have a look at your patches until next week. I can find it in the meeting logs of last weeks meeting, right? | 16:36 |
rkukura | Yes, or in the agenda from last week | 16:37 |
yamamoto | scheuran: let me know if you have a better idea | 16:37 |
rkukura | So it sounds to me like scheuran’s nova patch is a good first step, but some addtional work may be needed. | 16:37 |
Sukhdev_ | #link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1367391 | 16:37 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1367391 in neutron "ML2 DVR port binding implementation unnecessarily duplicates schema and logic" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Robert Kukura (rkukura) | 16:37 |
rkukura | Sukhdev_: thanks | 16:37 |
Sukhdev_ | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189410/ | 16:37 |
scheuran | rkukura, agree | 16:38 |
scheuran | yamamoto, sure | 16:39 |
rkukura | Anything else on this for today? | 16:39 |
scheuran | no | 16:39 |
rkukura | #topic Open Discussion | 16:39 |
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rkukura | Anything to discuss? | 16:40 |
yamamoto | wrt live migration, i want to see this finished https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274097/ | 16:40 |
scheuran | yamamoto, me too :) | 16:41 |
Sukhdev_ | rkukura : We should plan for a session on Friday during Austin summit | 16:41 |
rkukura | agreed | 16:41 |
rkukura | Anything else to discuss today, or can we wrap up and let Sukhdev_ get back to celebrating! | 16:42 |
Sukhdev_ | nothing from me - | 16:42 |
rkukura | ok, last call… | 16:43 |
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rkukura | thanks everyone! | 16:43 |
rkukura | #endmeeting | 16:43 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 6 16:43:38 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:43 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-04-06-16.02.html | 16:43 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-04-06-16.02.txt | 16:43 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-04-06-16.02.log.html | 16:43 |
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yamamoto | bye | 16:43 |
rkukura | bye | 16:43 |
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mugsie | #startmeeting Designate | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 6 17:00:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:00 |
mugsie | #topic Roll Call | 17:00 |
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Kiall | o/ | 17:00 |
timsim | o/ | 17:00 |
sonuk_ | o/ | 17:00 |
rsyed | o/ | 17:00 |
mugsie | federico3: ekarlso pglass courtsey ping | 17:00 |
pglass | o/ | 17:00 |
mugsie | #topic Announcements (if any) | 17:01 |
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mugsie | The openstack/designate-tempest-plugin repo is being created :) | 17:01 |
mugsie | so, when it works throuigh the config management in -infra it will be live | 17:01 |
mugsie | as part of that, I was going to suggest a new core group - designate-tempest-core | 17:02 |
mugsie | I would suggest it contains the current designate-core + pglass | 17:02 |
federico3 | o/ | 17:02 |
mugsie | do people agree? | 17:02 |
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timsim | Definitely. | 17:03 |
rsyed | makes sense to me! | 17:03 |
sonuk_ | I also want to work on tempest plugin | 17:03 |
mugsie | sonuk_: yeap - anyone can submit code | 17:03 |
pglass | i'm fine with this. | 17:03 |
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mugsie | this is about who can merge the code | 17:03 |
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Kiall | re agree - yet | 17:04 |
Kiall | yewp* | 17:04 |
Kiall | yep** | 17:04 |
Kiall | (one day, I'll learn this keyboard thing) | 17:04 |
timsim | Kiall must be on his laptop | 17:04 |
mugsie | pglass's reviews on functional tests have been very good, and as we move on that group can grow as people have good reviews | 17:04 |
Kiall | lol, I am... but with a real keyboard ;) | 17:04 |
timsim | mugsie: ++ | 17:04 |
mugsie | #topic Action Items from last week | 17:05 |
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mugsie | there was none, - it was a massive 2 hour bug triage meeting :P | 17:05 |
mugsie | well done everyone btw | 17:05 |
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mugsie | #topic Bug Triage (timsim - recurring) | 17:05 |
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mugsie | seen as we have not done enough recently :P | 17:05 |
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Kiall | lol | 17:06 |
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timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1563904 | 17:06 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1563904 in Designate "Periodic Recovery attempts to create ERROR'd secondary zones" [Undecided,New] | 17:06 |
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mugsie | huh | 17:06 |
Kiall | timsim: wasn't that one you were looking at already? ages back? | 17:07 |
timsim | I just reported it last week | 17:07 |
Kiall | right, ages back :) | 17:07 |
timsim | lol | 17:07 |
mugsie | anyway - H, n1 | 17:07 |
mugsie | not sure about the solution | 17:07 |
timsim | Yeah, that's the question | 17:07 |
Kiall | Yea, Q on it | 17:07 |
Kiall | 4. You will see that the process attempts to create the zone. Which, in BIND will fail, because there are no NS records. | 17:08 |
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Kiall | As in - rndc addzone fails if there are no NS records? | 17:08 |
Kiall | (and SOA etc I assume) | 17:08 |
timsim | Yeah | 17:08 |
timsim | Well | 17:08 |
mugsie | I would hate to have a "if SECONDARY && transfered_at is None:" line | 17:08 |
timsim | If you have an agent that writes a zonefile | 17:08 |
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Kiall | That kinda feels like expected behaviour then, I think, in order for it to eventually recover? | 17:08 |
mugsie | timsim: any idea what happens for normal people? :P | 17:09 |
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timsim | Not 100%, but I think it's the same type of thing. | 17:09 |
Kiall | Also, we already synthesize a partial zone to keep things happy. Maybe add the default NS's while were at it? | 17:09 |
Kiall | (We create just a SOA right now from memory)_ | 17:10 |
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timsim | I think it'd go ACTIVE if you did that though, even though it never transferred? | 17:10 |
mugsie | yeah, it probably would | 17:11 |
mugsie | which is not good | 17:11 |
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Kiall | mm, maybe. anyway, I assume you're looking into it? | 17:11 |
timsim | Yeah. I'll assign it to myself + N1 | 17:11 |
Kiall | K | 17:12 |
timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1566911 | 17:12 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1566911 in Designate "Zone Export size quota doesn't show ERROR state" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Tim Simmons (timsim) | 17:12 |
timsim | me = dumb | 17:12 |
timsim | Just wanted to make sure we don't want to bp this to mitaka? | 17:12 |
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mugsie | yes. we should | 17:12 |
timsim | Quickly, anyway. | 17:12 |
Kiall | that feels like a backportable bug | 17:12 |
mugsie | but I will -2 until next week | 17:13 |
timsim | Before the release? | 17:13 |
mugsie | no | 17:13 |
timsim | ok | 17:13 |
timsim | yeah that's what I figured | 17:13 |
timsim | That's all :) | 17:13 |
mugsie | sweet :) | 17:13 |
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Kiall | We should skip BPs today, we've kept on top. | 17:13 |
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mugsie | :) | 17:14 |
mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 17:14 |
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mugsie | I have one | 17:14 |
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mugsie | just digging out a link | 17:14 |
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mugsie | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-design-designate | 17:15 |
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mugsie | I need to update the design summit sched today | 17:15 |
mugsie | and we have 2 topics :) | 17:15 |
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Kiall | Where did the time go -_- | 17:15 |
mugsie | I think the upgrade WM will be 2 anyway | 17:15 |
mugsie | and the Fishbowl is the "cross project / users come shout at us" session | 17:16 |
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elarson | o/ | 17:16 |
mugsie | and that elarson guy is terrible | 17:16 |
Kiall | elarson: you're late ;) | 17:16 |
elarson | sorry folks, had to head home | 17:16 |
mugsie | oh, cra | 17:16 |
mugsie | crap * | 17:16 |
mugsie | he's here | 17:16 |
elarson | what!!! | 17:16 |
elarson | ;) | 17:16 |
mugsie | elarson: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-design-designate | 17:16 |
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timsim | errr, what else do we want to talk about? | 17:17 |
timsim | "Beers" | 17:17 |
Kiall | On the spot, I can't think of any. But - I know theres a couple I had in my head a week or two ago. | 17:17 |
mugsie | OK. 13:00 UTC tommorrow is the deadline | 17:18 |
elarson | it would be good to consider smaller concrete steps for the worker model | 17:18 |
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mugsie | I will make the choice then | 17:18 |
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mugsie | and that will be it :) | 17:18 |
elarson | that is slightly different from the upgrade b/c it is focused on how we get there via the code | 17:18 |
timsim | That works | 17:18 |
mugsie | elarson: yeah, sure | 17:19 |
rsyed | that time is the deadline for topic suggestions? as in, the agenda is fixed? | 17:19 |
mugsie | rsyed: yea, after that I will have the agenda | 17:19 |
mugsie | honestly DNSSEC has 0 chance of being a session | 17:20 |
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mugsie | as does IXFR | 17:20 |
mugsie | we know *what* we need to do | 17:20 |
Kiall | Not noticed the :troll: at the end mugsie? ;) | 17:20 |
mugsie | I figured that was for the "Nope.js" | 17:20 |
mugsie | which is a brilliant Name for node | 17:20 |
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mugsie | OK, any other agenda items? | 17:21 |
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mugsie | or non agenda items even L) | 17:21 |
Kiall | not from me... | 17:21 |
* elarson is good | 17:22 | |
mugsie | OK then :) | 17:22 |
mugsie | #endmeeting | 17:22 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 6 17:22:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:22 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-04-06-17.00.html | 17:22 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-04-06-17.00.txt | 17:22 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-04-06-17.00.log.html | 17:22 |
timsim | o/ | 17:22 |
mugsie | "npm lint jobs are failing due to a problem with npm registry." - did someone delete leftpad again? | 17:23 |
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amrith | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 6 18:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amrith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
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tosky | hi | 18:00 |
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peterstac | o/ | 18:00 |
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dloi | o/ | 18:00 |
amrith | hello, let's give folks a couple of minutes to come in. we have a relatively light agenda today. | 18:00 |
tellesnobrega | o/ | 18:01 |
pdmack | O/ | 18:01 |
egafford | o/ | 18:01 |
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SlickNik | o/ | 18:01 |
amrith | greetings all. | 18:01 |
mvandijk_ | ./ | 18:01 |
amrith | I think we have a quorum so let's get moving | 18:01 |
dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:02 |
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amrith | #agenda today's meeting agenda is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:02 |
vkmc | o/ | 18:02 |
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amrith | I thought #agenda was supposed to do something, I guess not | 18:02 |
amrith | #topic Action items from last week | 18:02 |
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amrith | [cp16net] Confirm sending email to Horizon team re: RC2 [DONE] | 18:02 |
cp16net | howdy yall | 18:02 |
cp16net | done | 18:02 |
amrith | just in time .. | 18:02 |
amrith | [amrith] Fill out the schedule for summit sessions [done] | 18:03 |
amrith | that's all I had for that ... we can look at the schedule later in this meeting | 18:03 |
amrith | #topic Trove pulse update | 18:03 |
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amrith | #link http://bit.ly/1VQyg00 | 18:03 |
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amrith | I added numbers to the top chart | 18:03 |
amrith | it made it a bit easier for me what these review counts were | 18:04 |
amrith | without having to turn my head all the way to the left ;) | 18:04 |
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cp16net | looks good | 18:04 |
amrith | we picked up a bit of steam last week, several reviews, several merges (actually many more merges than previous weeks) | 18:04 |
amrith | but we still have a bit of a backlog | 18:04 |
amrith | which I would like to see us catch up on | 18:05 |
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amrith | there are a lot of reviews that are sitting with merge conflicts | 18:05 |
amrith | and we'll have to figure the least painful sequence in which to merge them | 18:05 |
amrith | if anyone has ideas on how best to do that please share | 18:05 |
vgnbkr | o/ | 18:06 |
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amrith | I use this link to see what's going on in master | 18:06 |
amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/%28project:openstack/trove%20OR%20project:openstack/trove-integration%20OR%20project:openstack/trove-specs%20OR%20project:openstack/trove-dashboard%20OR%20project:openstack/python-troveclient%29%20AND%20status:open%20AND%20branch:master | 18:06 |
amrith | any suggestions, thoughts on moving forward? | 18:07 |
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amrith | there are several which have passed gate and are ready to go | 18:08 |
amrith | I'll take that to be a no, we'll just have to slog our way through them. and there are new reviews coming in at a pretty good clip. | 18:09 |
amrith | thx to vkmc for the mariadb/mysql 5.6 changes and backports | 18:09 |
amrith | there were a couple for mysql replication taht I think are important and we should prioritize | 18:09 |
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amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300253/ | 18:10 |
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amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300009/ | 18:10 |
amrith | dougshelley66, if you'd see comments from peterstac on the latter one | 18:10 |
amrith | I'd like to see if we can get these two merged quickly and also pushed back to mitaka | 18:11 |
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amrith | once we do that we should push out a release of the client (to get the module management stuff) and the server (to get these fixes). that'll be mitaka.1 | 18:11 |
peterstac | amrith, I've spoke with dougshelley66 about it - he probably hasn't had a chance to push up a new patchset yet | 18:11 |
dougshelley66 | correct | 18:11 |
amrith | does anyone else have any fixes that are worth pushing into mitaka.1, please let me know. | 18:12 |
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amrith | ok, sounds good. thx peterstac dougshelley66 | 18:12 |
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amrith | moving along, if there's no other questions on the pulse update ... | 18:13 |
pmalik_ | ./ | 18:13 |
amrith | #topic Announcements | 18:13 |
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amrith | We released Trove RC2 last week to address issues with Routes 3.2 | 18:13 |
amrith | that's basically our Mitaka release | 18:13 |
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amrith | cp16net, anything you'd like to add on this ... | 18:13 |
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amrith | I'll assume that he doesn't ... | 18:15 |
johnma | amrith, is there a deadline or something like that for mitaka.1 | 18:15 |
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amrith | johnma, none at this time | 18:15 |
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amrith | It can't be for the next 24 or so hours | 18:15 |
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amrith | at that point mitaka will become an officially stable release | 18:15 |
amrith | after that, we can do it at any time. | 18:15 |
johnma | ok | 18:15 |
amrith | anyone have any other announcements? | 18:16 |
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amrith | ok, moving along ... | 18:16 |
amrith | #topic Ongoing projects for Newton | 18:16 |
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amrith | The agenda has a list of projects for Newton | 18:17 |
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amrith | if anyone has updates on any of these please go ahead. | 18:17 |
amrith | the python3 one is making good progress, I think. | 18:17 |
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amrith | we will have more of a review of that at summit. | 18:17 |
amrith | I'd love to hear more about the CEPH and CouchDB projects which didn't make it into Mitaka. | 18:18 |
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amrith | and hear how things are going there. | 18:18 |
amrith | tellesnobrega, vkmc, any updates on these? | 18:18 |
vkmc | tellesnobrega, floor is yours :) | 18:18 |
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amrith | vkmc, I guess he isn't here? | 18:19 |
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tellesnobrega | related to ceph, the last spec we drafted you guys pointed out a mistake that we made and we realized that what we were proposing was bad | 18:19 |
johnma | amrith, I am still having some internal discussions with the Cloudant folks on clustering. So will try to update the spec in a week | 18:19 |
tellesnobrega | due to a security breach | 18:19 |
johnma | this is regarding CouchDB replication | 18:20 |
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tellesnobrega | the problem lies on how the guest would communicate with ceph to store the backups there | 18:20 |
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tellesnobrega | since that we moved our attentions to another problem, also related to backups, that is using cinder snapshots to backup trove databases, that is something that we want to discuss in austin | 18:21 |
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tellesnobrega | and of course we can bring ceph discussion back to the table, we just need to take a better look into it | 18:21 |
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tellesnobrega | hi? | 18:23 |
amrith | tellesnobrega, re: snapshot for replication | 18:23 |
amrith | and related things, I've been working on that in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/configurable-data-storage | 18:23 |
amrith | with some folks from Red Hat actually | 18:23 |
amrith | I think we're actually doing a joint presentation about it along with NetApp as well | 18:24 |
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tellesnobrega | i've see that discussion going around | 18:24 |
amrith | so certainly, let's discuss in austin | 18:24 |
tellesnobrega | amrith, awesome | 18:24 |
amrith | but re: ceph, is that something you are still working on? | 18:24 |
tellesnobrega | it is not high priority at this moment, but we can talk about it and see where it goes | 18:25 |
pmackinn | amrith, image builder repo https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295274/5...are we making progress or just debating via review comments? :-) | 18:25 |
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amrith | is anyone else interested in the ceph for backups approach? | 18:26 |
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amrith | johnma, thanks | 18:26 |
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vkmc | amrith, if I understood correctly tellesnobrega is still working on it | 18:27 |
amrith | pmackinn, yes, I've been following that review. what do you think? | 18:27 |
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amrith | vkmc, I was just reacting to his comment that it is not a high priority at the moment | 18:27 |
* pmackinn appreciates the feedback to date | 18:27 | |
amrith | if it is for someone else, would it make sense to allow them to work on it, or should we wait on tellesnobrega for it? | 18:28 |
amrith | ... not that anyone else feels that it is high priority at this time ... | 18:28 |
amrith | at least, no one has said anything | 18:28 |
amrith | pmackinn, what's the thinking re: project, repository, branching etc., | 18:28 |
vkmc | AFAIK he is researching different alternatives for the same use case | 18:28 |
tellesnobrega | amrith, i can still drive this | 18:29 |
amrith | vkmc, tellesnobrega, is there an ETA on an updated spec? | 18:29 |
pmackinn | amrith, myself, vkmc are interested in ceph; tellesnobrega has lead | 18:29 |
vkmc | indeed | 18:29 |
amrith | and that eta is ... | 18:30 |
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vkmc | ETA is the design session | 18:30 |
vkmc | s/session/summit/ | 18:30 |
amrith | ok | 18:30 |
tellesnobrega | amrith, ceph just got a bit overruled by cinder, we are planning a cinder snapshot spec for next week, but updates on ceph spec are not expected before the summit | 18:30 |
amrith | great | 18:31 |
amrith | is that for newton delivery? | 18:31 |
tellesnobrega | yes | 18:31 |
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amrith | would've been good toknow because I've been busily working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/snapshot-as-backup-strategy | 18:32 |
amrith | also for newton | 18:32 |
amrith | as part of the other project I mentioned ... | 18:32 |
amrith | but be that as it might ... | 18:33 |
amrith | pmackinn, any updates on the branching or not-to-branching question? | 18:33 |
amrith | any other projects with updates ... | 18:34 |
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pmackinn | amrith, will update that with issue and possible solutions....would that address any remaining concerns? | 18:34 |
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amrith | i wouldn't go that far :) | 18:35 |
amrith | but it is certainly a tactical question | 18:35 |
pmackinn | you should! | 18:35 |
amrith | then you'll say I went too far :/ | 18:35 |
amrith | I DON'T like the idea of start-as-a-sourceforge-project-and-come-to-us-when-you-wear-big-boy-pants. | 18:36 |
* pmackinn is just trying to optimize the review cycle :-) | 18:36 | |
amrith | I would like to start it right as a project like openstack-image-whatever-thing | 18:36 |
amrith | and go from there. | 18:37 |
amrith | sorry, repository | 18:37 |
amrith | the other option is to register it as a big-tent project of its own | 18:37 |
amrith | which is worse (I think). | 18:37 |
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* pmackinn thought that repo is what's being proposed | 18:37 | |
amrith | yes, repo would be ideal (I think) | 18:38 |
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amrith | anyway, if you have updates on other projects, please drop them on #openstack-trove | 18:38 |
amrith | let's move on to the next one | 18:39 |
amrith | #topic Summit planning | 18:39 |
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amrith | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-newton-summit-overview | 18:39 |
amrith | that's the proposed schedule for sessions | 18:39 |
amrith | all the things you want are at http://bit.ly/trove-newton-design-summit | 18:39 |
amrith | #link http://bit.ly/trove-newton-design-summit | 18:39 |
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amrith | it has links to each session, and the proposed topics for each. | 18:40 |
amrith | please take a look; session drivers are listed where appropriate | 18:40 |
amrith | etherpads are in place for each session | 18:40 |
pmackinn | amrith, are the bp you just mentioned listed there? | 18:40 |
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amrith | pmackinn, ask the quesiton another way, I'm not following | 18:41 |
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amrith | oh, I see ... | 18:41 |
amrith | from the agenda | 18:41 |
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amrith | the projects listed | 18:41 |
amrith | are they all on the agenda? | 18:41 |
amrith | is that the question? | 18:41 |
amrith | the answer is no. | 18:41 |
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amrith | for example, I jettisoned hbase; I've abandoned the change sets. | 18:42 |
amrith | it also doesn't list some projects (like couchdb configuration groups) | 18:42 |
amrith | it does list all the things which were in the etehrpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-newton-proposed-sessions | 18:42 |
amrith | and most of the new projects which we are tracking for newton. | 18:43 |
amrith | pmackinn, does that answer the question? | 18:43 |
pmackinn | amrith, i guess if there is shared activity in snapshot backups, etc. might be good to carve out time | 18:44 |
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amrith | I was going to cover it in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-newton-summit-extensible-backend-storage | 18:44 |
amrith | we have a whole session for that. | 18:45 |
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pmackinn | ah | 18:45 |
amrith | it is to cover two sets of things; one is where we store the data, and the second is how we can best exploit those storage mechanisms. | 18:45 |
amrith | cinder/manila snapshots for backup/restore are a part of that. | 18:45 |
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amrith | it will also be discussed at length in | 18:46 |
amrith | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/presentation/7438 | 18:46 |
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amrith | so to wrap that subject up | 18:47 |
amrith | the session list is at http://bit.ly/trove-newton-design-summit | 18:47 |
amrith | please look for session etherpads and update them with details. | 18:47 |
amrith | if you are leading one of the sessions. | 18:47 |
amrith | anyone else have other things you want to add? | 18:48 |
tellesnobrega | amrith, discussing cinder snapshots for trove is really important for us at this moment, so if needed we could use some of the time allocated for ceph discussion to discuss that instead | 18:48 |
amrith | sounds good | 18:48 |
amrith | anything else anyone wants to add ... | 18:48 |
amrith | #topic Open Discussion | 18:49 |
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amrith | anyone have topics they want to discuss ... | 18:49 |
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amrith | . | 18:51 |
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vkmc | a doubt about this design session https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-newton-summit-trove-upgrades | 18:51 |
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vkmc | this is for datastore upgrades, or for trove component upgrades? | 18:51 |
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amrith | doug vgnbkr ... that's the session you led at raleigh that we're continuing in austin | 18:52 |
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pmackinn | SlickNik, sent you a gdoc link for hashing out some supercatductor ideas (last week action) | 18:52 |
amrith | doug vgnbkr ^^ question from vkmc | 18:52 |
vkmc | dougshelley66, vgnbkr ^ | 18:53 |
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vkmc | I remember we went through this in the summit as well... but we didn't separate the two features... we discussed upgrades in general | 18:53 |
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vkmc | Tokyo summit* | 18:53 |
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amrith | yes, we discssed it in more detail in raleigh and I believe that it encompasses updates of trove on the controller, the guest and the database. | 18:54 |
amrith | 'the whole package' | 18:54 |
vkmc | I see | 18:54 |
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vkmc | wouldn't make sense to split that? | 18:54 |
vkmc | I mean, you may want to ugprade the database but not trove | 18:54 |
vkmc | or the other way round | 18:54 |
amrith | we could split it into two parts in the same session; we don't have the luxury of once session for each. | 18:55 |
vkmc | sure! | 18:55 |
amrith | no vkmc, the discussion is about upgrading each of them | 18:55 |
amrith | I'm not suggesting that in practice one would have to upgrade all at the same time. | 18:55 |
vkmc | oh I understand | 18:55 |
vkmc | ok | 18:55 |
amrith | the session is to talk about all different forms of upgrade | 18:55 |
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amrith | not sure what happened to canada but maybe the internets stopped working there ... | 18:56 |
amrith | and we're getting close to being out of time | 18:56 |
amrith | any final thoughts, questions? | 18:56 |
amrith | ok, going once ... | 18:57 |
amrith | going twice ... | 18:57 |
dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:57 |
vkmc | nothing else from my side, thx | 18:57 |
amrith | go ahead dougshelley66 ... question for you above ^^ | 18:57 |
dougshelley66 | i was going to answer vkmc but it looks like you already did | 18:57 |
tellesnobrega | i got nothing as well, thanks | 18:58 |
amrith | i just gave 'an' answer. I was hoping you'd give the 'right' answer :) | 18:58 |
dougshelley66 | the guest upgrade feature we will propose is related to upgrading a running guest from one image version to another | 18:58 |
dougshelley66 | the new image can contain whatever upgrades to the individual pieces that are needed | 18:59 |
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vkmc | I see | 19:00 |
amrith | we're out of time ... | 19:00 |
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amrith | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 6 19:00:20 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-04-06-18.00.html | 19:00 |
vkmc | looking forward for more details on that, I'm very interested on how to manage updates | 19:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-04-06-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
vkmc | thanks o/ | 19:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-04-06-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
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johnma | thanks amrith | 19:01 |
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johnsom | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 6 20:00:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
minwang2 | o | 20:00 |
bana_k | hi | 20:00 |
minwang2 | o/ | 20:00 |
johnsom | Hi everyone | 20:00 |
johnsom | This will probably be a short meeting. | 20:00 |
dougwig | o/ | 20:00 |
dougwig | is that a challenge? | 20:00 |
johnsom | #topic Announcements | 20:00 |
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johnsom | HA | 20:00 |
johnsom | I would not do such a thing.... | 20:01 |
bharathm | o/ | 20:01 |
johnsom | We will end up talking about endpoints again | 20:01 |
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johnsom | Ok, I don't really have any announcements this week. Anyone else? | 20:01 |
TrevorV | o/ | 20:01 |
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johnsom | #topic Docu-geddon | 20:02 |
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TrevorV | I've got single-create "functioning" off the "/graphs" endpoint, but testing has been broken by my changes... I'm hunting it down now | 20:02 |
johnsom | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bugs?field.tag=docs | 20:02 |
xgerman | O/ | 20:02 |
TrevorV | Ha ha, my bad. | 20:02 |
TrevorV | I thought we were doin progress reports :D | 20:02 |
johnsom | FYI, we are still looking for folks to sign up for documentation bugs. | 20:02 |
johnsom | We had some folks asking about documentation again today, so well worth our time | 20:03 |
johnsom | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:03 |
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johnsom | TrevorV Ok, now... grin | 20:03 |
TrevorV | I've got single-create "functioning" off the "/graphs" endpoint, but testing has been broken by my changes... I'm hunting it down now | 20:03 |
TrevorV | :D | 20:03 |
minwang2 | the following patches needs review:#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300689/ | 20:03 |
minwang2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299687/ | 20:03 |
minwang2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288208/ | 20:03 |
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TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300689/ | 20:04 |
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TrevorV | minwang2 missed a newline in there :D | 20:04 |
minwang2 | ah, thanks for pointing out | 20:04 |
johnsom | I have been working on moving haproxy into a namespace in the amphora. I think I have it functioning now, still have some testing to do and clean up the unit tests I recently broke figuring this stuff out. | 20:04 |
johnsom | Otherwise it looks like a bunch of bug fixes going on. | 20:05 |
johnsom | Good stuff. | 20:05 |
johnsom | Any other progress reports to discuss? | 20:05 |
johnsom | #topic Open Discussion | 20:05 |
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TrevorV | I have a topic | 20:06 |
johnsom | Ok, other topics | 20:06 |
TrevorV | Multiple controller workers. Are we anywhere near ready to have the conversation on "how to do this"? | 20:06 |
johnsom | Sure. | 20:06 |
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johnsom | In theory it works | 20:06 |
dougwig | it just needs a new endpoint. | 20:06 |
dougwig | jk, put the damn torches down. | 20:06 |
* johnsom considers a vote on worker endpoints | 20:07 | |
TrevorV | dougwig I think I'll give you a papercut during the summit... just to say I cut you | 20:07 |
xgerman | Do I need a paint brush? | 20:07 |
johnsom | TrevorV Was there a particular concern about running multiple workers? | 20:08 |
xgerman | I think we run multiple workers... | 20:08 |
blogan | sorry im late | 20:08 |
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johnsom | Yeah, we do | 20:08 |
xgerman | But not sure if it works at scale | 20:08 |
TrevorV | johnsom not specifically so much as we were talking about scaling issues coming up for Rackspace deployment and stuff, and didn't know if we had this figured out | 20:09 |
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TrevorV | If it "works" then I guess we at Rackspace will just have to make sure it actually does when we have the chance :D | 20:10 |
johnsom | Yeah, to my knowledge multiple workers functions just fine. We still want to move to job board for HA reasons, but I think multiple workers is functional. | 20:10 |
TrevorV | I do have one more topic | 20:10 |
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johnsom | Then, on the scale side, there is still the multiple tenant/multiple management LAN work | 20:11 |
johnsom | Which may/may not be an issue in your deployment | 20:11 |
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johnsom | TrevorV Ok, what is next? | 20:11 |
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TrevorV | It may be johnsom | 20:12 |
TrevorV | The next topic I have is "billing" | 20:13 |
TrevorV | So at Rackspace we talked about billing on a few things, and were discussing how to collect that information | 20:13 |
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TrevorV | crc32_znc (Carlos) mentioned the heartbeat mechanism already collects certain stats and sends them along, but we ignore them in favor of the "time" and the "id" | 20:14 |
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johnsom | Today we have bytes in/out and connections in the octavia DB | 20:14 |
TrevorV | Oh, we do? | 20:14 |
TrevorV | Nice! | 20:14 |
johnsom | I'm not convinced there aren't bugs around failover and those stats, but yes, it's being collected | 20:14 |
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TrevorV | So what about "uptime"? Haproxy *should* be able to give that to us as well, right? Would adding that to the heartbeat and storing it afterwards be a "problem"? | 20:14 |
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xgerman | Yeah. Though probably brittle since we take it from haproxy | 20:14 |
dougwig | do we have a defined set of metrics we want, and an api, and if we're talking to ceilometer? if we make a ref amphora only solution, it'll be a pain to shoehorn in other drivers later, if we're standalone. | 20:15 |
TrevorV | I'm okay with it being modular, as much of our other driver-related implementations are, dougwig | 20:15 |
johnsom | And dougwig gets to the point.... | 20:15 |
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xgerman | I think I set it up modular with the Nixon | 20:16 |
xgerman | Mixin | 20:16 |
johnsom | I thought the mixin got removed... | 20:16 |
TrevorV | I'm fairly certain it was removed as well | 20:17 |
xgerman | We can resurrect that... | 20:17 |
blogan | im pretty sure its still driverized | 20:17 |
TrevorV | Right, so the thing I was getting at was the "size" of the heartbeat | 20:17 |
johnsom | So, for Octavia, we have this API defined: http://www.octavia.io/review/master/api/octaviaapi.html#list-listener-statistics | 20:17 |
TrevorV | If we append a bit more information to it, will it be problematic? | 20:18 |
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johnsom | TrevorV Help me with "uptime" as it is a highly abused word. | 20:18 |
neelashah | sorry a bit late in joining - are we talking about ceilometer support for lbaas v2? | 20:18 |
xgerman | Yeah, wouldn't nova know that? | 20:19 |
johnsom | neelashah Kind of. We are talking about billing topics. | 20:19 |
TrevorV | neelashah its just a "metrics/billing" conversation in general | 20:19 |
TrevorV | xgerman if you're talking about instance uptime, that's NOT the same as haproxy-service uptime. | 20:19 |
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neelashah | in mitaka, ceilometer did add support for metrics for lbaas v2 | 20:19 |
johnsom | TrevorV To me, uptime is a metric around availability, typically collected outside the system. | 20:19 |
TrevorV | neelashah Right, but some deployers may not use ceilometer, so we'll need to help that be consumed another way | 20:20 |
xgerman | TrevorV: might be good enough for billing | 20:20 |
johnsom | If you are talking about how log a load balancer has been provisioned, that is probably something that would come from the database | 20:20 |
TrevorV | johnsom except what if their LB dies for 6 hours, should we bill them? | 20:21 |
blogan | yes | 20:21 |
blogan | :) | 20:21 |
xgerman | +1 | 20:21 |
TrevorV | dammit brandon | 20:21 |
johnsom | Ok, so you are talking about traditional uptime | 20:21 |
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TrevorV | Sure, mostly because I didn't know another way to have that defined :D | 20:22 |
blogan | they're still taking up resources and its up to the cloud company to be proactive about refunds or the customer | 20:22 |
TrevorV | I *think* haproxy has that information somewhere, right? | 20:22 |
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johnsom | TrevorV I don't think so. If it's down it's not going to tell you much | 20:22 |
TrevorV | johnsom sure, but does it have a stat that's something like, "I've been active this long" or something? | 20:23 |
johnsom | We could also bill time and a half for LBs with no members attached. | 20:23 |
TrevorV | We can calculate certain levels of down-time based on that number being reset and such | 20:23 |
xgerman | Yep, and the thing might be working fine in our world but some network is hosed making it not work for the customer | 20:23 |
johnsom | I don't think so. Here is the list: http://cbonte.github.io/haproxy-dconv/configuration-1.5.html#9.1 | 20:24 |
TrevorV | xgerman which means we'd still bill them because its out of our control. That's like saying "we won't bill you, mr customer, if you delete your app" | 20:24 |
johnsom | Again, I think you would have problems with failover, etc. | 20:24 |
xgerman | How do you bill vm? | 20:25 |
blogan | i think traditional uptime is a reasonable goal at first | 20:26 |
TrevorV | xgerman I'm not sure, I'm just trying to get a feel for things, you know? | 20:26 |
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TrevorV | Ooops, left on accident | 20:26 |
xgerman | Never paid for mine:-) | 20:26 |
TrevorV | So that was an interesting find, haproxy has a "downtime" value | 20:26 |
TrevorV | I wonder if we should talk about billing the difference between instance up-time and the haproxy reported "downtime"... | 20:27 |
TrevorV | Hmmm | 20:27 |
johnsom | downtime as in all members were down | 20:27 |
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xgerman | That's the customers fault | 20:28 |
johnsom | Right | 20:28 |
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TrevorV | Oooh I follow then | 20:28 |
TrevorV | Then I'm not even sure how to collect that data for uptime | 20:28 |
blogan | the traditional way | 20:28 |
blogan | :) | 20:29 |
xgerman | Well, you can always count heartbeats | 20:29 |
johnsom | Pingdom? | 20:29 |
xgerman | :-) | 20:29 |
TrevorV | Are heartbeats specific enough to include an instance is errored? | 20:29 |
johnsom | Sorry, we probably aren't being super helpful right now. | 20:29 |
blogan | heartbeats overwrite each other | 20:29 |
TrevorV | Like, process is "running" but its not actually loadbalancing? | 20:30 |
blogan | so you wouldn't be able to see a history of heartbeats | 20:30 |
blogan | except through logs maybe | 20:30 |
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xgerman | It check on the stats socket | 20:30 |
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xgerman | Counting heartbeat would mean work | 20:30 |
johnsom | Yeah, heartbeats check stats and make sure the lister count matches expected. | 20:30 |
TrevorV | xgerman so you're saying in getting stats that haproxy is loadbalancing? There will never be a time that haproxy will report stats when its not actually loadbalancing? | 20:30 |
blogan | if the network in front of it is down | 20:31 |
blogan | the vip network | 20:31 |
blogan | or something north of that | 20:31 |
xgerman | +1 | 20:31 |
TrevorV | blogan is that in our control or no? | 20:31 |
blogan | yes and no | 20:31 |
TrevorV | ? | 20:32 |
blogan | octavia's? no, company infrastructure? yes | 20:32 |
TrevorV | In other words, they should not be billed for it. | 20:32 |
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blogan | i think thats better handled by auditing after an event like that happens | 20:33 |
TrevorV | So, in my opinion, we (maybe just Rackspace) will need a mechanism to capture/calculate up-time, and have it reported somehow to the CW to put it in the DB | 20:33 |
johnsom | Right now, for health monitoring, we consider it healthy if we get stats back and the listeners are all present. | 20:33 |
johnsom | https://github.com/openstack/octavia/blob/master/octavia/controller/healthmanager/update_db.py#L66 | 20:33 |
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TrevorV | Right johnsom but we just identified a scenario where that's "inaccurate" | 20:34 |
TrevorV | When the VIP network is having issues/ | 20:34 |
blogan | TrevorV: the simple calculation of uptime by when the lb was created doesn't satisfy that? | 20:34 |
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TrevorV | blogan that's overbilling | 20:34 |
blogan | TrevorV: thats subjective | 20:34 |
xgerman | Makes more money... | 20:35 |
TrevorV | Yep, and jorge would say we can't do that | 20:35 |
xgerman | Him! | 20:35 |
blogan | TrevorV: would he? | 20:35 |
TrevorV | blogan I can say that billing off "amphora" uptime wouldn't necessarily be a problem | 20:35 |
johnsom | I think it is really a policy thing to define your SLA and how it's measured. | 20:35 |
blogan | johnsom: agreed | 20:35 |
TrevorV | Since we capture bandwidth and (other thing I can't remember) already, we'll still be billing for resources consumed | 20:36 |
blogan | TrevorV: lets talk about if offline | 20:36 |
blogan | with jorge | 20:36 |
blogan | bc i think thats a lofty requirement | 20:36 |
TrevorV | kk blogan | 20:36 |
TrevorV | Looks like we're tired of the discussion gents, but knowing that we already store those other 2 fields in the DB, we (at rackspace) should be able to move forward when we're ready, thanks guys! | 20:36 |
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blogan | TrevorV: we store it by amp, still need an aggregator | 20:37 |
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ptoohill | Yea we discussed a good portion of this yesterday | 20:37 |
TrevorV | blogan I know, but we can make that happen in the "driver" we write for it | 20:37 |
blogan | which maybe the metering service handles, i dotn know | 20:37 |
blogan | ah okay | 20:37 |
TrevorV | ptoohill my objective was to identify what parts "weren't" done yet. | 20:37 |
johnsom | Yeah, to a point I think as long as it's provisioned, it's billed, and it's our responsibility to keep it healthy within the SLA. I.e. Act/Stndby, etc | 20:37 |
blogan | man i already feel out of the loop with internal workings | 20:38 |
TrevorV | Yeah, I agree johnsom I was just looking for the easiest way to get that information | 20:38 |
TrevorV | Make things easier, etc etc | 20:38 |
TrevorV | For the billing peeps I mean | 20:38 |
TrevorV | Alright, I'm good. | 20:38 |
johnsom | Ok. Any other topics for this week? | 20:39 |
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johnsom | Ok, thanks folks! | 20:39 |
TrevorV | :D | 20:39 |
johnsom | #endmeeting | 20:39 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 6 20:39:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:39 |
TrevorV | \o/ | 20:39 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-04-06-20.00.html | 20:39 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-04-06-20.00.txt | 20:39 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-04-06-20.00.log.html | 20:39 |
xgerman | O/ | 20:40 |
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