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| shamail | Anyone here for the Product WG meeting? | 02:07 |
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| samP_ | I think its in next week | 02:08 |
| samP_ | hold on a sec | 02:08 |
| shamail | Ah, thanks samP_ ! | 02:08 |
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| shamail | I had forgotten about that. Thanks for the reminder. | 02:09 |
| shamail | I’ll see you next week! | 02:09 |
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| shamail | lol | 02:09 |
| samP_ | yep.. cu then | 02:09 |
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| shardy | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 12 14:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shardy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:00 |
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| shardy | #topic rollcall | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
| derekh | o/ | 14:00 |
| shardy | Hi all! | 14:00 |
| jaosorior | o/ | 14:00 |
| dprince | hi | 14:00 |
| trown | o/ | 14:00 |
| * derekh lurks while working on rh1 cloud | 14:00 | |
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| pradk | o/ | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 14:01 |
| bandini | o/ | 14:01 |
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| gfidente | o/ | 14:01 |
| shardy | Ok then, lets get started | 14:01 |
| sanjay__u | o/ | 14:01 |
| shardy | #topic agenda | 14:02 |
| shardy | * one off agenda items | 14:02 |
| shardy | * bugs | 14:02 |
| shardy | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:02 |
| shardy | * CI | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:02 | |
| shardy | * Specs | 14:02 |
| shardy | * Open disussion | 14:02 |
| shardy | I made one minor change: | 14:02 |
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| shardy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TripleO#One-off_agenda_items | 14:02 |
| shardy | I moved one-off items to the start, as we kept running out of time | 14:02 |
| dprince | shardy: good idea | 14:03 |
| shardy | I propose we keep them time-boxed at say 5mins each max, and move them to open-discussion if they run over, sound reasonable? | 14:03 |
| dprince | yep | 14:03 |
| shardy | Cool, so there are two this week | 14:03 |
| shardy | #topic one off agenda items | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "one off agenda items (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:03 | |
| shardy | trown: want to give us an update on tripleo-quickstart? | 14:03 |
| shardy | I'm not sure if those are from last week or not | 14:03 |
| trown | shardy: sure | 14:03 |
| trown | they are from last week | 14:04 |
| trown | tripleo-quickstart code is imported, and third-party CI jobs are running | 14:04 |
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| trown | still need to move over github issues and make some minor CI fixes | 14:04 |
| shardy | trown: excellent, sounds like good progress :) | 14:05 |
| dprince | shardy: yeah, so I usually clean up that wiki right before the meeting :). And this week I didn't... | 14:05 |
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| shardy | dprince: hehe, I'll do it right after we finish :) | 14:05 |
| shardy | Ok, one other one-off item is summit topics: | 14:05 |
| trown | documentation is a bit blocked by a lack of an image for upstream, but that is a pretty big topic | 14:05 |
| shardy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-tripleo-sessions | 14:05 |
| shardy | trown: ack - is that something we can follow up on on the ML or does it need disscussion now? | 14:06 |
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| trown | I think ML, plus maybe CI subteam meeting if/when it is an official thing | 14:06 |
| shardy | trown: +1, thanks | 14:06 |
| shardy | Ok so I refactored all the session proposals | 14:06 |
| shardy | and other than the TLS one I managed to capture all the ideas, with some combined into sessions | 14:07 |
| shardy | it looks a lot like last summit really | 14:07 |
| shardy | anyone have any final comments or objections to those? | 14:07 |
| shardy | I need to propose them to the schedule this week | 14:07 |
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| dprince | shardy: seems good to me | 14:08 |
| shardy | Ok, any issues let me know otherwise I'll propose them later today or early tomorrow, thanks! | 14:08 |
| EmilienM | it looks excellent | 14:08 |
| shardy | #topic bugs | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:09 | |
| * beagles wanders in late | 14:09 | |
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| shardy | Anyone have any specific bugs to mention? | 14:10 |
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| shardy | I see a number of CI related ones, and I'm aware we've got CI issues generally, but anything else to highlight? | 14:10 |
| derekh | we got two bugs preventing us from moving the current-tripleo pin https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.config/+bug/1568820 and | 14:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1568820 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Duplicate sections in generated config" [High,Confirmed] | 14:10 |
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| shardy | derekh: aha, that was going to be my next question :) | 14:11 |
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| EmilienM | why don't we purge nova.conf before puppet run? | 14:11 |
| derekh | I seem to have lost the other bug, anyways its a mistral thing | 14:11 |
| EmilienM | I think puppet-nova has support for that | 14:11 |
| trown | EmilienM: oh, that is a good idea | 14:11 |
| derekh | EmilienM: we could, and it works for the undercloud, | 14:11 |
| derekh | EmilienM: I've tried it for the overcloud, but I don't think I did it correctly | 14:12 |
| dprince | EmilienM: we might check to make sure there isn't also a packaging issue | 14:12 |
| derekh | dprince: its not | 14:12 |
| dprince | EmilienM: purging via puppet would be fine too... but might cover over the actual bug | 14:12 |
| dprince | derekh: okay | 14:12 |
| derekh | dprince: oslo-config-generator is gerating duplicate sections | 14:12 |
| EmilienM | we do it in glance https://github.com/openstack/puppet-glance/blob/5d6e42356efb79e62bf3f1f464a444be39b2dca4/manifests/registry.pp#L116-L119 | 14:12 |
| EmilienM | I can submit a patch in nova | 14:12 |
| EmilienM | #action EmilienM to patch puppet-nova to add support for nova.conf purging and patch tripleo to enable it | 14:13 |
| bnemec | derekh: Is there a bug open for that? | 14:13 |
| derekh | bnemec: https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.config/+bug/1568820 | 14:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1568820 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Duplicate sections in generated config" [High,Confirmed] | 14:13 |
| dprince | derekh: okay, so oslo-config-generator is causing a it to be packaged with duplicates then? | 14:13 |
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| bnemec | derekh: Thanks | 14:13 |
| derekh | dprince: yup, and that seems to confuse the puppet-nova module | 14:13 |
| dprince | derekh: cool. lets fix that then rather than turn on puppet-nova config purging | 14:14 |
| derekh | bnemec: The fix I have up probably isn't suitable, been trying to work on a better solution but got draged off to something else | 14:14 |
| derekh | anyways, that all from me, things in the ways of moving the tripleo pin | 14:15 |
| shardy | Ok, sounds like this will require further discussion after we get CI back up, thanks for the update derekh | 14:15 |
| shardy | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:15 |
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| EmilienM | dprince: ok so no need to patch puppet-nova? | 14:15 |
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| shardy | So a couple of updates - we branched puppet-tripleo yesterday as that missed the initial stable/mitaka branching | 14:16 |
| shardy | and gfidente updated the wiki with a revised release process that uses openstack/releases to push the tags & announce the release to the ML | 14:16 |
| dprince | EmilienM: don't think so | 14:16 |
| shardy | #link https://github.com/openstack/releases | 14:17 |
| shardy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303986/ | 14:17 |
| shardy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO/ReleaseManagement#How_to_make_a_release | 14:17 |
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| shardy | That's the first step towards aligning with the release process changes discussed here (for all projects): | 14:18 |
| shardy | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090737.html | 14:18 |
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| shardy | So anyone can now propose a release, and we can potentially look at doing interim milestone releases too via a similar method | 14:19 |
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| shardy | Anyone have any comments on that, or other release/backport content? | 14:20 |
| shardy | Ok then | 14:21 |
| shardy | #topic CI | 14:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:21 | |
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| derekh | rh1 down as of thismoreing | 14:21 |
| derekh | currently working on it | 14:22 |
| shardy | derekh: any info to share re the cause yet? | 14:22 |
| derekh | besides that, jobs a re running too ling and hitting timeouts | 14:22 |
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| sshnaidm | derekh, yes, we encounter more infra issues than usual, I prepaired some statistics for today: | 14:22 |
| sshnaidm | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-issues-analysis | 14:22 |
| weshay | sshnaidm, very nice! | 14:22 |
| derekh | shardy: nope, this is the 3 or 4 time this exact thing has happened (in 2 years), 100,000s of arp requests flying around the network | 14:23 |
| derekh | shardy: the only way I've ever figured out to deal with it has been a reboot of everything | 14:23 |
| jdob | https://media.giphy.com/media/F7yLXA5fJ5sLC/giphy.gif | 14:24 |
| shardy | sshnaidm: thanks, I guess everything will fail today, but when the cloud is back up this sort of analysis will be useful | 14:24 |
| derekh | shardy: the cahing work I've been doing is block on getthing the tripleo pin moved | 14:24 |
| bnemec | jdob: +1! | 14:24 |
| shardy | derekh: ack, thanks | 14:24 |
| derekh | sshnaidm: yup, we got lots of roblems ;-( | 14:24 |
| derekh | one more thing | 14:25 |
| gfidente | ... panic ... | 14:25 |
| derekh | I *think* the dns errors we have seen in jobs a few times coincide with nodepool being restarted | 14:25 |
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| derekh | that should be ok, but it hits us with lots of new instance requests at the same time | 14:25 |
| derekh | and kind of DOS's us | 14:26 |
| derekh | I think thats what happens anyways | 14:26 |
| shardy | derekh: interesting | 14:26 |
| shardy | re the ram usage, I've been doing some profiling trying to figure out things we can do to reduce it | 14:26 |
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| trown | that seems like another argument for being totally third-party | 14:26 |
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| shardy | so far I've got a patch up which disables ceilometer/aodh because we don't use them, that saves over 300M | 14:27 |
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| derekh | trown: it would | 14:27 |
| derekh | shardy: nice | 14:27 |
| shardy | There's also a lot of processes spawning multiple workers on the undercloud which we may be able to trim down, like we have for the overcloud | 14:27 |
| dprince | shardy: just make those composable roles? | 14:28 |
| trown | dprince: composable undercloud? | 14:28 |
| shardy | I'm also attempting to profile inside heat as that's one of the worst offenders (along with mariadb) | 14:28 |
| bnemec | We probably have mariadb tuned for real deployments, which isn't ideal for a memory-limited CI environment. | 14:28 |
| dprince | trown: that too, the idea of using Heat again for the undercloud is worthy of getting back to | 14:28 |
| shardy | dprince: Yeah, well initially I guess it'll be some conditionals in the manifest, but we could look at using the same service profiles from puppet-tripleo perhaps? | 14:28 |
| derekh | any ideas why the overcloud deploy takes > 1hr ? lots of stops to sync up? | 14:29 |
| shardy | bnemec: Yeah, I was wondering if we should add a "minimal" option to undercloud install | 14:29 |
| dprince | trown: it was one of TripleO's foundation ideas... i.e. the feedback between the over and undercloud | 14:29 |
| derekh | for HA | 14:29 |
| shardy | that turns on a different config tuned for minimal footprint | 14:29 |
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| shardy | derekh: the overcloud deploy takes 10mins for me locally, so I suspect it's performance of the platform | 14:30 |
| gfidente | shardy +1 | 14:30 |
| trown | derekh: at least some of the time it is due to the nova-ironic race, which we have retries to deal with, but retries are time-expensive | 14:30 |
| bnemec | shardy: Yeah, or we use slagle's custom hieradata to pass in a CI-specific config. I feel a little weird adding user-facing options for CI only. | 14:30 |
| derekh | shardy: for the HA overcloud ? | 14:30 |
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| slagle | a 10 minute deploy? is there a --turbo option? :) | 14:31 |
| bnemec | :-) | 14:31 |
| gfidente | overcloud only | 14:31 |
| bnemec | I'm up to 20 minutes locally these days. | 14:31 |
| gfidente | but yes that's it for me too | 14:31 |
| shardy | bnemec: Yeah, I was thinking the same, but it'd be good to offer the option for developers too I think | 14:31 |
| shardy | bnemec: This is for a 2-node nonha deployment on a box with an SSD | 14:31 |
| bnemec | shardy: Maybe put something in tripleo.sh so dev environments get that by default. | 14:31 |
| shardy | it does take 20mins on my other (slower non-SSD) box | 14:32 |
| bnemec | shardy: Yeah, I'm SSD-backed too. It's still slow. | 14:32 |
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| gfidente | honestly for me that is just about using 2cores and 8g per node | 14:32 |
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| shardy | bnemec: sure, we can start with tripleo.sh and prove out what options we need there I guess | 14:32 |
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| bnemec | shardy: Yeah, we can figure something out. | 14:33 |
| slagle | couldnt we get rid of nova-conductor on the uc too? | 14:33 |
| dprince | slagle: I tried. I don't think it is possible anymore | 14:33 |
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| dprince | slagle: nova requires it now I think :/ | 14:33 |
| EmilienM | how can we get rid of nova conductor? | 14:33 |
| slagle | oh ok | 14:34 |
| trown | :( | 14:34 |
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| shardy | slagle: we already have a custom OS::Nova::Server resource in tripleo-common, so I wonder if we actually need nova at all | 14:34 |
| shardy | that's more of a long term discussion tho ;) | 14:34 |
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| trown | that would save some resources :) | 14:34 |
| dprince | shardy: exactly, but I think we'd want Ironic heat resources too then | 14:35 |
| shardy | dprince: Yeah, how to wire it up definitely needs more thought | 14:35 |
| dprince | getting rid of nova in the UC is a worthy investigion | 14:35 |
| dprince | shardy: I've been keen on droping Nova in the UC for a while now. But we've actually added more features around Nova, not less :/ | 14:36 |
| shardy | dprince: Not really, we've got a custom nova resource and a custom nova scheduler | 14:36 |
| dprince | shardy: like some of the scheduler related things in t-h-t | 14:36 |
| shardy | the scheduler filter thing could be easily reimplemented by filtering an ironic node list | 14:37 |
| shardy | dprince: that actually didn't work, bnemec had to write a custom filter | 14:37 |
| dprince | shardy: perhaps so, and I'd like to see it work out | 14:37 |
| shardy | so again, nova isn't actually buying us much there | 14:37 |
| shardy | anyway, shall we move on and table this for the beer-track at summit? :) | 14:37 |
| dprince | shardy: the reason for nova is multi-tenant use cases | 14:38 |
| shardy | I'll try to carve out some time to revive my ironic resources and look at how it might be done | 14:38 |
| dprince | shardy: like Magnum would require it for example | 14:38 |
| dprince | shardy: if we've got no plans for multi-tenant undercloud cases or to use projects that require that then I think we can seriously consider dropping it | 14:38 |
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| shardy | dprince: Yeah, there's a bunch more complexity than nova around that tho right - I'm not sure we'd want to support Ironic in those environments anyway unless all the separation around baremetal to tenant are worked out? | 14:40 |
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| shardy | #topic specs | 14:41 |
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| dprince | shardy: last summit I think there was a lot of focus around multi-tenant baremetal clouds that use nova... | 14:41 |
| shardy | dprince: ack, something to discuss further then I guess - I'm just wondering if we have to *always* require it | 14:41 |
| shardy | e.g can we support a "tripleo lite" mode | 14:42 |
| dprince | shardy: for me the key would be to get Heat to support OS::Nova::Server, similar to slagle's patch but without the extra work | 14:42 |
| dprince | shardy: if that is even possible, Just refining the interface there a bit so it seems cleaner | 14:43 |
| dprince | all things to consider | 14:43 |
| bnemec | I would not be a fan of trying to support both Nova and not-Nova. | 14:43 |
| shardy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open | 14:44 |
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| shardy | So on the topic of specs - I'm planning to create some series in launchpad (like other projects) so we can track features on the roadmap for newton | 14:45 |
| shardy | folks have started asking about it already, and it'll be easier to track if we can tag either spec-lite bugs or blueprints against a "newton" series | 14:45 |
| shardy | is that OK with folks? | 14:45 |
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| trown | +1 | 14:45 |
| bandini | +1 | 14:46 |
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| dprince | +1 | 14:46 |
| shardy | the only effort is ensuring you raise either a bug or blueprint and propose it for the series, then we know it's targetted to Newton | 14:46 |
| beagles | +1 | 14:46 |
| shardy | I'd say specs should be optional particularly for simpler features, as they always get bogged down in implementation discussions | 14:47 |
| shardy | obviously for more complex stuff specs may be posted too :) | 14:47 |
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| shardy | Relatedly it'd be good to consider making some milestone releases this cycle (again like other projects), mostly so we give folks better visibilty of the release cycle as it passes | 14:48 |
| shardy | Anyway, we can discuss that further on the ML, just getting the idea out there for consideration | 14:49 |
| shardy | #topic Open Discussion | 14:50 |
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| shardy | Anyone have anything to discuss? | 14:50 |
| sshnaidm | I'd like to get your opinions about tempest support patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295844/ | 14:50 |
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| shardy | sshnaidm: We simply don't have the time budget to run it every commit - are you thinking of the periodic job? | 14:51 |
| dprince | sshnaidm: idea seems fine to me. Just keep in mind that we aren't even close to a point where running that for all the CI jobs is appropriate | 14:51 |
| trown | I am -1 to adding anything that increases job time | 14:51 |
| sshnaidm | shadower, yes, it should go to periodic | 14:51 |
| dprince | sshnaidm: as a general tool/feature for tripleo.sh it is fine I think | 14:51 |
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| sshnaidm | dprince, sure, I plan to start with periodic nonha, and then we'll see | 14:51 |
| trown | periodic would be fine though | 14:52 |
| EmilienM | is there any wip to move it in tempest itself? | 14:52 |
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| dprince | one new topic I'd like to mention is not landing any more t-h-t features that aren't in the composable roles format | 14:52 |
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| EmilienM | config_tempest.py sounds like a script not specific to tripleo, but that could be use widely in OpenStack | 14:52 |
| dprince | now that we have the keystone example I think that should be sufficient to convert over to the new format. for controller services... | 14:52 |
| shardy | dprince: +1, gnocchi was the last one because it was agreed as a backport exception for mitaka | 14:52 |
| EmilienM | dprince: ++ | 14:52 |
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| trown | nice | 14:53 |
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| slagle | are we still committed to testing stack-updates before landing composable roles? | 14:53 |
| EmilienM | sshnaidm: see my question ^ | 14:53 |
| sshnaidm | EmilienM, dmellado is working on tempest configuration script in upstream, but not close to finish yet | 14:53 |
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| dprince | slagle: we have an upgrades job | 14:53 |
| slagle | dprince: it doesnt test anything | 14:54 |
| sshnaidm | EmilienM, he promises to present it in summit | 14:54 |
| dprince | slagle: understood that isn't where we'd like it to be but that is the bar I think | 14:54 |
| shardy | What is the status of that, it does an update, but not the full version-to-version upgrade right? | 14:54 |
| dprince | slagle: we can't wait on this any further I think | 14:54 |
| slagle | ok, i'm just asking | 14:54 |
| EmilienM | shardy: wait, won't we run tempest at each commit? | 14:54 |
| shardy | EmilienM: No | 14:54 |
| sshnaidm | example of tempest run is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297038/16 - but just an example | 14:54 |
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| EmilienM | I think that's a mistake, we should run at least some basic tests. But that's my opinion | 14:55 |
| sshnaidm | EmilienM, I plan to start with nonha periodic, because it's time consuming now | 14:55 |
| shardy | EmilienM: we don't have time unless we can somehow reduce our CI runtime by ~20mins | 14:55 |
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| sshnaidm | yes, time is bottleneck now | 14:55 |
| shardy | EmilienM: if we can reduce the runtime, we can consider adding it | 14:55 |
| slagle | dprince: we had been in agreement on this, but i had the feeling we werent any longer, so would just like to clarify | 14:55 |
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| EmilienM | shardy: but what if we drop pingtest and run tempest/smoke instead? | 14:55 |
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| EmilienM | tempest/smoke has 2 scenarios that spawn VM and ssh to it | 14:55 |
| dprince | EmilienM: tempest isn't our most important issue in all our CI jobs I think. Until the walltime comes down signiicantly I'd like the talk of tempest to go away I think | 14:56 |
| shardy | EmilienM: we'll have to compare the coverage - IMO pingtest covers things not covered at all by tempest | 14:56 |
| bnemec | EmilienM: ping test takes 3 minutes right now, not 20. | 14:56 |
| bnemec | At least last I checked after the cirros change merged. | 14:56 |
| trown | bnemec: yep it is back down to super speedy | 14:57 |
| EmilienM | mhh ok, everyone seems happy with pingtest | 14:57 |
| shardy | tempest also has zero functional coverage of heat, which is covered by pingtest | 14:57 |
| trown | tempest smoke is taking 20+ minutes in RDO | 14:57 |
| shardy | EmilienM: everyone wants to see better coverage, but half our CI jobs are getting killed by the infra timeout | 14:57 |
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| bnemec | shardy: +1 | 14:57 |
| shardy | we have to fix that problem first | 14:57 |
| dprince | EmilienM: I wouldn't say we are happy with it. We just can't spare any extra time | 14:57 |
| bnemec | It's not that I don't want Tempest, but we aren't in a place where it's practical yet. Unfortunately. | 14:58 |
| shardy | starting with the periodic jobs seems like the most workable compromise | 14:58 |
| dprince | slagle: lets revisit the talk about how to improve the upgrades job in #tripleo perhaps | 14:58 |
| bandini | is getting beefier HW an option for CI? | 14:58 |
| trown | ya I am pro putting it on the periodic job | 14:58 |
| bnemec | bandini: You buying? :-) | 14:58 |
| dprince | slagle: everything, not just composability would benefit from the upgrades job being better | 14:58 |
| shardy | bandini: there are various optins under discussion | 14:58 |
| bandini | bnemec: erm I left my wallet at home :P | 14:58 |
| shardy | 2mins - anything else before we wrap up? | 14:59 |
| slagle | dprince: sure | 14:59 |
| bandini | shardy: I hope something comes out of it, because it seems such an important problem atm | 14:59 |
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| shardy | Ok, thanks all! | 14:59 |
| shardy | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 12 14:59:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-04-12-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-04-12-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| beagles | pinning in tripleo.sh vs the online docs.. but we can discuss in #tripleo | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-04-12-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
| beagles | and he's too slow | 14:59 |
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| matrohon | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 12 15:00:59 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matrohon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:01 |
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| matrohon | vthapr, tmorin, timirnich, enikher : hi | 15:01 |
| matrohon | anyone around for the bgpvpn meeting? | 15:01 |
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| timirnich | Hi folks | 15:08 |
| timirnich | sorry for being late | 15:08 |
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| timirnich | matrohon: hi | 15:09 |
| matrohon | hi timirnich | 15:09 |
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| matrohon | timirnich, we're the only two guys who attend this meeting! | 15:09 |
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| matrohon | I was hoping vthapar could attend too | 15:10 |
| timirnich | matrohon: well in that case let's just skip it and I can ask you an informal question | 15:10 |
| matrohon | and that we can discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296289/ | 15:10 |
| matrohon | That's the only patch we're waiting for before tagging our mitaka release | 15:11 |
| matrohon | I'll leave a comment on it | 15:11 |
| matrohon | timirnich, please ask! | 15:11 |
| timirnich | I actually wanted to know the timeline for mitaka release | 15:11 |
| timirnich | I mean the BGPVPN rebased version | 15:11 |
| timirnich | But I guess you kind of answered the question already ;-) | 15:12 |
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| matrohon | timirnich, we want to avoid the burden of maintaining a mitaka code after neutron offcialy released its mitaka version | 15:13 |
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| matrohon | timirnich, it causes some painful gate issues | 15:13 |
| matrohon | I think neutron tagged mutaka now | 15:13 |
| matrohon | let's check! | 15:13 |
| timirnich | matrohon, not sure if I understand, did you mean we don't want to maintain a Liberty version after Mitaka has released? | 15:14 |
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| matrohon | timirnich, oh no, I meant we'd to have a stable/mitaka branch not too late after the neutron stable/mitaka branch has been released | 15:16 |
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| timirnich | matrohon, I see | 15:16 |
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| matrohon | timirnich, did you plan to have other features in bgpvpn/mitaka? | 15:17 |
| timirnich | matrohon, is there a list of changes we have between stable/Liberty and stable/Brahmaputra? | 15:18 |
| matrohon | timirnich, you meant stable/mitaka? | 15:18 |
| timirnich | matrohon, reason for the question: would like to understand what additional tests we should consider for OPNFV | 15:18 |
| timirnich | matrohon, yes stable/Mitaka sorry | 15:19 |
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| matrohon | not much actually, I think there has been the heat support | 15:21 |
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| timirnich | matrohon, are we doing something like release notes? | 15:22 |
| matrohon | timirnich, we should! | 15:23 |
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| timirnich | matrohon, ok what I'd like to do is make a list of additional "capabilities" compared to Liberty so that we in OPNFV can see what tests we should add to our backlog | 15:24 |
| matrohon | timirnich, I have to look at existing tools in openstack to manage releases along with release notes | 15:24 |
| matrohon | timirnich, makes sense | 15:24 |
| timirnich | matrohon, since we are aiming at system-level verification | 15:24 |
| matrohon | the reno project in openstack is here to help us, but we have to be more familiar with it | 15:25 |
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| timirnich | matrohon, for example if we now have Heat, we should add test cases that actually do BGPVPN configuration through Heat | 15:25 |
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| matrohon | timirnich, fine! | 15:26 |
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| timirnich | matrohon, is that something you or thomas could pull together or should we have a separate meeting and do it together over phone? | 15:27 |
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| matrohon | timirnich, all you need is a release note that you can work on to create new test cases? | 15:28 |
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| timirnich | matrohon, if the release note details what additions the release contains that should be fine | 15:28 |
| matrohon | ok, I think it should automatically be produced by reno if our launchpad is correctly configured | 15:29 |
| timirnich | matrohon, I guess that means autogeneration from the commit messages of the commits that went into the release right? | 15:30 |
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| matrohon | timirnich, I think reno rely on launchpad blueprints, not on commit messages | 15:31 |
| timirnich | matrohon, ok, understand | 15:31 |
| matrohon | timirnich, but I might be wrong! I need to dig into it | 15:31 |
| matrohon | timirnich, moreover I see that bgpvpn's lauchpad is not really accurate, I need to fix that | 15:32 |
| timirnich | matrohon, ok let's clarify this - Nikolas has sent an email earlier today, I'll add to that and we can take it in that thread | 15:32 |
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| matrohon | fine, but we get the point of releasing bgpvpn/mitaka along with a release note | 15:33 |
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| matrohon | timirnich, for example : https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/create-release-notes-with-reno | 15:34 |
| timirnich | matrohon, alright that looks reasonably straightforward | 15:35 |
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| matrohon | that's all for me any other topic? | 15:37 |
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| timirnich | matrohon, nope that's it for now - will shoot out a mail shortly | 15:37 |
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| matrohon | timirnich, fine | 15:38 |
| timirnich | Matrohon, have a nice day\ | 15:38 |
| matrohon | timirnich, you too | 15:38 |
| matrohon | #closemeeting | 15:38 |
| matrohon | #endmeeting | 15:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 12 15:38:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-04-12-15.00.html | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-04-12-15.00.txt | 15:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-04-12-15.00.log.html | 15:38 |
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| hongbin | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 12 16:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-04-12_1600_UTC Today's agenda | 16:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
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| strigazi | o/ Spyros Trigazis | 16:00 |
| muralia_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| juggler | o/ | 16:00 |
| spn | o/ | 16:00 |
| wwangqun | o/ | 16:00 |
| tango | Ton Ngo | 16:00 |
| madhuri | o/ | 16:00 |
| rpothier | o/ | 16:00 |
| eghobo | o/ | 16:00 |
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| rochaporto | o/ | 16:01 |
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| dane_leblanc | o/ | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:01 |
| askb | o/ | 16:01 |
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| hongbin | Thanks for joining the meeting strigazi muralia_ juggler spn wwangqun tango madhuri rpothier eghobo rochaporto dane_leblanc adrian_otto askb | 16:01 |
| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:01 | |
| hongbin | 1. Welcome Eli Qiao to the Magnum core team | 16:02 |
| redrobot | o/ | 16:02 |
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| hongbin | eliqiao: welcome | 16:02 |
| madhuri | Welcome Eli :) | 16:02 |
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| tango | Welcome Eli ! | 16:02 |
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| hongbin | 2. TLS feature is not functional right now. We are working hard to fix the problem | 16:02 |
| hongbin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/magnum/+bug/1568427 The bug report | 16:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1568427 in Magnum "Add subjectAltName back to CSR config" [Critical,Triaged] | 16:02 |
| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/091889.html ML discussion | 16:02 |
| juggler | congratulations eliqiao!! | 16:02 |
| askb | congrats eliqiao | 16:03 |
| hongbin | Basically, the TLS feature is not functioning right now if you pulled the lastest commit | 16:03 |
| hongbin | The reason is that there are two depending module are conflicting each other | 16:03 |
| hongbin | We are working hard to resolve the issue | 16:03 |
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| hongbin | For now, I would suggest to disable TLS for development and testing | 16:04 |
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| hongbin | Any comment for that? | 16:04 |
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| hongbin | Let me know anytime if there is a concern | 16:05 |
| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 16:05 |
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| hongbin | 1. hongbin confirm with OpenStack BoD about the legal implications of DCOS | 16:05 |
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| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/foundation/2016-April/002326.html An email was sent to OpenStack BoD | 16:05 |
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| hongbin | Based on the response so far, Magnum contributors are not able to distribute DCOS | 16:05 |
| hongbin | Unless MesosSpere gave us premission | 16:06 |
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| hongbin | The details can be found in the ML provided above | 16:06 |
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| hongbin | Any comment for that? | 16:06 |
| hongbin | 2. hongbin started an ML to discuss adding Chronos to mesos bay | 16:07 |
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| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/091835.html | 16:07 |
| hongbin | Above is the ML of the discussion | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | the DCOS license is a non starter | 16:07 |
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| hongbin | adrian_otto: Yes, I believe we are not able to work on that direction until we have the issue resolved | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | because of the way OpenStack is redistributed my numerous parties. | 16:08 |
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| hongbin | OK. Back to the discussion of adding Chronos to Mesos bay, we have a session for discussing it further later | 16:09 |
| hongbin | #topic Plan for design summit topics | 16:09 |
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| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-newton-design-summit-topics Etherpad collaborating topics for Magnum Newton design summit | 16:09 |
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| hongbin | In the etherpad, I draft the schedule for 9 sessions. | 16:10 |
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| hongbin | I would pause for a few minutes for reading the schedule | 16:10 |
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| hongbin | I am happy to revise it if it doesn't work well | 16:11 |
| hongbin | In addition, there is a workroom session, which doesn't have a topic yet | 16:11 |
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| hongbin | I am thinking of a topic for that session. Just let me know if you have one | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | for the first session on the list (2016-04-27 09:00 - 09:40, Discuss bay driver design) I suggest having written proposal(s) to review prior to that discussion. Otherwise it will not be enough time. | 16:12 |
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| tango | There is a spec | 16:12 |
| muralia_ | there is a blueprint being reviewed right now for that | 16:12 |
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| muralia_ | everyone should look at it and add comments | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | are there alternate approaches to that, I mean? | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | what is the discussion about, or is it actually a design session? | 16:13 |
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| tango | we can pull out from the spec items that need team discussion | 16:13 |
| hongbin | I believe we will discuss the proposed spc | 16:13 |
| hongbin | s/spc/spec/ | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | link to it from the etherpad | 16:14 |
| tango | +1 | 16:14 |
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| adrian_otto | So it's "Review Bay Driver Design Spec" | 16:14 |
| hongbin | I haven't created the etherpad for each session yet. Will do | 16:14 |
| hongbin | sure | 16:15 |
| hongbin | Any further comment for the design summit? | 16:15 |
| muralia_ | looks like all of friday is free | 16:16 |
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| hongbin | Yes, Friday will discuss what is left over | 16:16 |
| rochaporto | on the lifecycle one, the monitoring part is for magnum/bays or for the containers themselves? would be interesting to hear how people are doing monitoring of containers and if there's a common solution we could integrate | 16:16 |
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| tango | I have a conflict with the session on bay driver | 16:17 |
| tango | I can just add my input on the spec review | 16:17 |
| hongbin | tango: I can swap the session if you want to attend that one | 16:17 |
| tango | I will follow up later | 16:18 |
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| hongbin | rochaporto: I believe the monitoring is not the focus of that session | 16:18 |
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| spn | whois | 16:19 |
| hongbin | OK. Let's advance topics | 16:19 |
| hongbin | Feel free to ping me after for the design summit schedule | 16:19 |
| hongbin | #topic Essential Blueprints Review | 16:19 |
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| hongbin | SKIP until we identify a list of essential blueprints for Newton | 16:20 |
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| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/newton List of blueprints for Newton so far | 16:20 |
| hongbin | #topic Other blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas | 16:20 |
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| hongbin | 1. Re-confirm an AGREED in our last meeting | 16:20 |
| hongbin | AGREED: Magnum will leverage Keystone as alternative authentication machnism for k8s (hongbin, 16:49:50) | 16:20 |
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| hongbin | For summary, in our last meeting, we discussed how to decouple from Barbican | 16:20 |
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| hongbin | And we reached a AGREED | 16:21 |
| hongbin | The agreement seems to be leveraging Keystone as alternative authentication machnism | 16:21 |
| hongbin | However, I found some team members think the different way | 16:21 |
| hongbin | (That is after the meeting) | 16:22 |
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| adrian_otto | storing TLS credentials in keystone instead of Barbican would work regardless of which COE. | 16:22 |
| hongbin | In particular, adrian_otto thinks the *keystone approach* we agreed on is to leverage the Keystone /credential API | 16:22 |
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| adrian_otto | integrating k8s with keystone still leaves the problem unsolved for other COEs | 16:22 |
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| hongbin | Therefore, I want to re-confirm the AGREED again | 16:23 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: Other COEs can follow the similar approach I believe | 16:23 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: The the /credential proposal, the biggest problem is the disagreement from the Keystone team | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | that assumes that each COE has a pluggable auth scheme that's compatible with Keystone auth | 16:24 |
| mvelten | I don't get it, is there a way to store unrelated credentials (like certs) inside Keystone ? or the plan is to integrate keystone auth inside k8s ? | 16:24 |
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| adrian_otto | yes, please link to the blueprint for the reference | 16:24 |
| hongbin | Anyone have the link of the BP? | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/barbican-alternative-store | 16:25 |
| mvelten | thx | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | it makes reference to the Keystone credentials store: | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/keystone-specs/api/v3/identity-api-v3.html#credentials-v3-credentials | 16:25 |
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| tango | Keystone is an alternative with its own implication, not a replacement, so as long as we document it well, we leave the choice to the users. | 16:25 |
| hongbin | tango: ++ | 16:26 |
| mvelten | Why does the keystone guys object ? according to the linked doc this is exactly our use case ^^ | 16:26 |
| madhuri | hongbin: What is the disagreement from Keystone team? | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | the motivation here is to allow a cloud operator to deploy multiple magnum conductor instances without depending on Barbican for cert storage. | 16:26 |
| hongbin | madhuri: mvelten The Keystone team disagreed on another proposal, not this one | 16:27 |
| mvelten | oh ok | 16:27 |
| hongbin | OK. Let me clarify | 16:27 |
| hongbin | There are two proposal | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | madhuri: the caution was that the credential store does not use encryption to persist the artifact. | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | so you have to do that client side | 16:27 |
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| hongbin | 1. Leverage Keystone /credential endpoint to store credentials (disagreed by Keystone team) | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | which is called for in the BP | 16:27 |
| hongbin | 2. Integrate COEs with Keystone for authenticaiton (what we agreed on) | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | it was not disagreed. If you read carefully they are saying that Barbican is the right place for that, which we are already doing. | 16:28 |
| rochaporto | another alternative (which could replace the 'local' one) would be to put them (encrypted) in the magnum db? | 16:28 |
| hongbin | rochaporto: Yes, that is also another option | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | rochaporto: yes, that's functionally equivalent to what is currently proposed in the BP | 16:29 |
| mvelten | why 1 is disagreed ? the doc even clearly state the cert case | 16:29 |
| rochaporto | that would work fine for anyone wanting to try it out (even with multiple controllers), and leave barbican for later | 16:29 |
| hongbin | mvelten: I don't know, Keystone team disagreed on the ML | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | read what they wrote. | 16:29 |
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| mvelten | ok thx will look | 16:30 |
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| adrian_otto | the fundamental concern is that credential storage is a solved problem in barbican | 16:30 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: If we want to go with #1, we should get an agreement from Keystone team first | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | that's not necessary | 16:30 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: Otherwise, I don't think we should puesue it further | 16:30 |
| mvelten | any objection for storing inside the db ? any drawback ? | 16:31 |
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| adrian_otto | mvelten: operators may have already fortified their keystone environment, but not put the same level of rigor into their magnum environment. | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin: what are you afraid of? That the credential store will be deprecated in future Keytone versions? | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | by then Barbican adoption should be at the point where this is a total non-issue. | 16:33 |
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| hongbin | adrian_otto: It is not good to go with a solution that another team disagreed on | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | I think you misunderstood the feedback | 16:33 |
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| hongbin | adrian_otto: OK, I am happy to re-confirm their feedback | 16:33 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: Could I send a ML to Keystone for clarification? | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | it has to do with the idea that we are even seeking a Barbican alternative | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | which is not a keystone team decision | 16:34 |
| tango | We can reconfirm with them: if we do #1, will they disavow us? | 16:34 |
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| muralia_ | Does keystone v2 support credential storage? Can operators that still use v2 use this feature? | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | muralia_: no, this was introduced in v3 | 16:35 |
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| adrian_otto | this is the exact use case that the keystone credential store was designed for. | 16:36 |
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| adrian_otto | as long as we are not storing them in plaintext, it's an appropriate fit. | 16:37 |
| hongbin | #action hongbin sent a ML to collect opinions from general OpenStack community (including Keystone team) for option #1 | 16:37 |
| madhuri | Why did they do it when there is barbican for such use case? | 16:37 |
| hongbin | Let's push the discussion to ML | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | madhuri: it pre-dates Barbican. It's been there since the Grizzly release. | 16:37 |
| mvelten | Since the goal would be to drive magnum usage for people unwilling to deploy Barbican I would vote DB so it also covers people not using v3 | 16:38 |
| mvelten | ok | 16:38 |
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| madhuri | mvelten: User has this choice also | 16:38 |
| hongbin | 2. Enhance Mesos bay to a DCOS bay (Jay Lau) | 16:38 |
| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090437.html Discussion in ML | 16:38 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/mesos-dcos The blueprint | 16:38 |
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| hongbin | In the ML, there are 3 options mentioned | 16:39 |
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| hongbin | 1. Directly add Chronos to Mesos bay | 16:40 |
| hongbin | 2. Support a configuration hook for users to add Chronos | 16:40 |
| hongbin | 3. Separate mesos into two bay type: one for marathon, another for Chronos | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | it sounds like the idea for DCOS and the idea for Chronos have been conflated. What did I miss? | 16:41 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: Chronos is totally open source, DCOS is different | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | I suggest that https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/mesos-dcos not be approved, due to licensing problems with DCOS. | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | A new blueprint should be started for adding a Chronos framework | 16:42 |
| hongbin | No, I haven't approved that one | 16:42 |
| hongbin | sure | 16:42 |
| tango | +1, for clarity between the two issues | 16:42 |
| hongbin | Back to the three options, Kai Qiang, Ton, Adrain mentioned they preferred option #2 in the ML | 16:43 |
| hongbin | Egor preferred option #1 | 16:43 |
| hongbin | I preferred option #1 but OK with option #2 | 16:43 |
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| tango | I have been working on Kube and Swarm framework, and would like to add these as options for Mesos bay. This is our main use case. | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | As I understand this, the approach depends on the intended use case. If you want Chronos as a plugin to Marathon, or as a framework in Marathon. | 16:44 |
| hongbin | #action hongbin created another BP for adding Chronos to mesos | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | I don't have clarity on which users have asked for. | 16:44 |
| mvelten | I would be in favor to implement 1 now (mainly because nearly everybody does chronos+marathon), and think about how to abstract Mesos frameworks installation in a second part. | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | s/framework in Marathon/framework in Mesos/ | 16:45 |
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| mvelten | for the standalone chronos vs chronos on top of Marathon no preference for me | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | mvelten: what evidence can we cite that indicates that chronos+marathon is the most common use of Mesos? | 16:46 |
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| adrian_otto | it might make sense to ask in the context of the Mesos community what we should aim for. | 16:47 |
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| eghobo | adrian_otto: https://mesosphere.github.io/marathon/ | 16:48 |
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| adrian_otto | excerpt from the link above "Marathon is a powerful way to run other Mesos frameworks: in this case, https://github.com/mesos/chronos." | 16:49 |
| eghobo | even Mesosphere folks recommend it, also for user it doesn't matter at all (the same ui/rest interface), it's less headache for operatrors | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | that's the POV I was considering when indicating my preference for #2. | 16:49 |
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| eghobo | Marathon cannot run "cron" like jobs | 16:49 |
| mvelten | I have no source, but if you want to launch batch jobs and not only long running services you need both. Chronos on top of Marathon is fine but I would still deploy it by default. | 16:50 |
| eghobo | but for example Aurora can and user use just Aurora | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so they are not expected to ever conflict with eachother, because they are commonly used together. | 16:50 |
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| eghobo | mvelten: if you doing just ETL you can use just Chronos | 16:51 |
| mvelten | eghobo: +1 I would also be fine with replacing both with Aurora | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | my concern is not to burden the Magnum dev team with a significant system integration chore each time a new version of Chronos or Marathon is released. | 16:51 |
| eghobo | adrian_otto: i deployed it this way, last week. so far so good | 16:52 |
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| adrian_otto | eghobo: using Chronos run by Marathon? | 16:52 |
| eghobo | adrian_otto: yes | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 16:53 |
| hongbin | OK, could we reach an agreement in this topic? | 16:53 |
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| hongbin | Or we need a vote? | 16:53 |
| tango | It sounds like if we do #1, eventually we will need #2 anyway? | 16:53 |
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| hongbin | OK. This is controveral topic. Let's have a vote | 16:54 |
| hongbin | #startvote | 16:54 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 16:54 |
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| tango | We don't have all the team members here | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | seems to me that using Marathon to run Chronos will cause it to be more resilient than running it directly on Mesos | 16:55 |
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| hongbin | #startvote Choose an option to add chronos to mesos bay? option 1, option 2 | 16:55 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Choose an option to add chronos to mesos bay? Valid vote options are option, 1, option, 2. | 16:55 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 16:55 |
| mvelten | I still don know what to vote :) I am for 1 now but 2 ultimately | 16:55 |
| hongbin | #vote option 1 | 16:55 |
| openstack | hongbin: option 1 is not a valid option. Valid options are option, 1, option, 2. | 16:55 |
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| hongbin | #vote 1 | 16:55 |
| mvelten | #vote 1 | 16:56 |
| hongbin | mvelten: We voted for what to do for now (1 or 2) | 16:56 |
| hongbin | Everyone can vote, but I will count the vote from core team (others for reference) | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | I have not heard counter arguments to using Marathon to run Chronos. | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | so I think a vote is premature | 16:57 |
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| hongbin | adrian_otto: I can push the vote to the next meeting if you want | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | I move that we table this | 16:57 |
| hongbin | #endvote | 16:58 |
| openstack | Voted on "Choose an option to add chronos to mesos bay?" Results are | 16:58 |
| muralia_ | yes please. | 16:58 |
| openstack | 1 (2): hongbin, mvelten | 16:58 |
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| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 16:58 |
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| hongbin | Time up. Thanks all for joining hte meeting | 17:00 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 12 17:00:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-04-12-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-04-12-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-04-12-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 12 17:00:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #topic rollcall | 17:00 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:01 |
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| ddovbii | o/ | 17:01 |
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| vakovalchuk | o/ | 17:01 |
| kzaitsev_mb | agenda is as usual here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda | 17:01 |
| tlashchova_ | o/ | 17:01 |
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| oshykhkerimov | o/ | 17:02 |
| kzaitsev_mb | we do not have much to discuss today =) | 17:02 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | so I expect the meeting to be rather short =) | 17:03 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | usually that happens with our meetings before the summit =) | 17:03 |
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| freerunner | \o/ | 17:04 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Don't think we had any AI from the prev meeting, maybe just one idea about murano-agent, but that doesn't count and would be implemented after the summit anyway | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | So I'll jump right to the Open Discussion part | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Open Discussion | 17:06 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | we had this e-pad filled up some time ago | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-contributors-rules | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Guess it's time to make this into a commit | 17:07 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev_mb convert p/murano-contributors-rules into a commit to docs | 17:08 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I don't think there is anything I have to add =) I believe serg wanted to discuss something, but I don't see him around. | 17:10 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I'm going to give it 5-10 more minutes and would finish the meeting early today if no one brings anything up =) | 17:11 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok, since there is nothing to discuss — let's finish early today and save ourselves some lifetime =) | 17:20 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | As always everyone is welcome in #murano | 17:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #endmeeting | 17:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 12 17:21:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-04-12-17.00.html | 17:21 |
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