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| jaypipes | scheduler meeting anyone? | 13:52 |
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| moshele | hi | 13:53 |
| jaypipes | hi moshele :) | 13:53 |
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| mlavalle | jaypipes: yes, me | 13:54 |
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| Yingxin | hey | 13:58 |
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| jaypipes | evening Yingxin | 13:59 |
| Yingxin | jaypipes: good morning | 13:59 |
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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 18 14:01:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:01 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:01 |
| edleafe | Just FYI - having network problems today | 14:01 |
| Yingxin | \o | 14:01 |
| jaypipes | \o/ | 14:01 |
| edleafe | lots of thunderstorms moving through south texas | 14:01 |
| sarafraj | o/ | 14:02 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: excuses, excuses... | 14:02 |
| edleafe | so if I disappear, I'm probably floating away somewhere | 14:02 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: :) | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | yeap, poring down in San Antonio | 14:02 |
| edleafe | #topic Meeting reminder | 14:02 |
| edleafe | Please note that there will be no meeting next Monday, as most of us will be in Austin for the OpenStack Summit. | 14:02 |
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| edleafe | #topic Specs | 14:02 |
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| edleafe | Jay's spec for Generic Resource pools is on hold until after the summit, but we can still review/comment now, so that when the hold is lifted, it can move forward quickly. | 14:02 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300176/ | 14:02 |
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| edleafe | Jay - anything to add on that spec? | 14:03 |
| * bauzas waves late | 14:03 | |
| _gryf | o/ | 14:03 |
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| jaypipes | ++, same for resource allocation migrations: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300177/ | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300177/ | 14:03 |
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| edleafe | #topic Reviews | 14:03 |
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| edleafe | Add name to ResourceProvider object | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281945/ | 14:03 |
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| edleafe | Is cdent here? | 14:04 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: I went ahead and made placeholder blueprints for a bunch of things to visualize the end state of a broken out scheduler. You can see the relationship of blueprints in the compute-node-inventory-newton LP blueprint page here: | 14:04 |
| jaypipes | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/compute-node-inventory-newton | 14:04 |
| edleafe | saw him in -nova earlier | 14:04 |
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| Yingxin | saw him replied my spec just now. | 14:05 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: thanks, that's a good addition | 14:05 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: you will note in the link above in the dependency graph that I have *not* made the shceduler db filter nor the claims in scheduler a dependency for a broken out scheduler. | 14:05 |
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| jaypipes | I pinged cdent on slack. | 14:05 |
| jaypipes | he'll be here shortly. | 14:06 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: thanks | 14:06 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I appreciate that :) | 14:06 |
| Yingxin | I'm writing the spec for eventually-consistent-host-states, will be based on generic-resource-pools. | 14:06 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: I'm still going to push for those, but made them not a dependency ;) | 14:06 |
| Yingxin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306844/ | 14:06 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: that's totally reasonable | 14:06 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: yeah, they are kinda orthogonal to the split | 14:07 |
| mlavalle | jaypipes: so code for resource pools will be in this gerrit topic: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/generic-resource-pools,n,z | 14:07 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: like I said multiple times, I'm not sold against or pro the idea, just feeling we need to be clear about what we land and why :) | 14:07 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: so those could be properly evaluated once we get the bits we want :) | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | on the routed networks spec... mlavalle and carl_baldwin I had long talks this weekend with dansmith and share some of his concerns on the spec around what to do in some of the special pre-allocated-pre-associated-ip ports. | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: yup, totes. | 14:07 |
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| mlavalle | jaypipes: should we meet in Austin o discuss it face to face? | 14:08 |
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| jaypipes | mlavalle: erm, maybe? :) that branch/topic is light. there's other things that cdent was working on in a couple other branches. | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | mlavalle: I'll have cdent ping you links. | 14:08 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: mlavalle: we will have 80 mins for discussing all the topics about that :) | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | mlavalle: no, on the routed networks spec, I will add comments to the review, you can read, then we can do a high-bw conversation with dansmith and carl_baldwin , ok? | 14:09 |
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| * dansmith nods | 14:09 | |
| mlavalle | jaypipes: that's perfect. Thanks | 14:09 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: have you had time to focus on what you want to reach for the 2 sessions ? | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | mlavalle: that way by the time the summit rolls around we won't have too much (hopefully) back and forth that drains the session time. | 14:09 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: that's later on the agenda | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I was figuring that you and I would just argue about cheese most of that time slot. | 14:10 |
| edleafe | There are two other reviews that I had marked | 14:10 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: that's a perfect time for that | 14:10 |
| mlavalle | jaypipes: yeah. that sounds great. let's have that high bandwidth conversation this week | 14:10 |
| edleafe | Add ResourcePool and ResourcePoolList objects | 14:10 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284963/ | 14:10 |
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| edleafe | Add Allocation and AllocationList objects | 14:10 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282442/ | 14:10 |
| mriedem | mlavalle: jaypipes: i expect routed networks to come up in the nova/neutron session on wed at the summit too | 14:10 |
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| mriedem | but would be best to have that mostly ironed out beforehand | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: yeah, that second one is for the resource-providers-allocations blueprint, which migrates usage data to the allocations table. | 14:11 |
| mlavalle | mriedem: ++ | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | yup, ++ | 14:11 |
| bauzas | ++ | 14:11 |
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| edleafe | agreed, the sessions always seem too short | 14:11 |
| bauzas | mlavalle: I also heard of a notion of QoS from Neutron to send to Nova, right? | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I've been chatting with ajo on that one. | 14:12 |
| bauzas | so we could filter based on those metrics AFAICS | 14:12 |
| bauzas | okay | 14:12 |
| mlavalle | bauzas: ajo is the one to talk about that | 14:12 |
| bauzas | fair enough | 14:12 |
| ajo | ji | 14:12 |
| ajo | hi | 14:13 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: the routed networks is the higher priority use case at the moment, from what I can tell, but I thinkt he QoS requirements can be easily met by the generic-resource-pools functionality as well. | 14:13 |
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| bauzas | cool then | 14:13 |
| ajo | my only worry, is, that for what we were talking on the mail list | 14:13 |
| ajo | we end up adding another call to the neutron API, | 14:13 |
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| ajo | to translate a port id, to "resource usages" | 14:13 |
| bauzas | *to* the Neutron API ? | 14:13 |
| ajo | bauzas, fron the port dictionary, you can't know exactly how much resources (BW in this case) is using | 14:14 |
| ajo | bauzas, that's tied to the QoS policy the port is attached to | 14:14 |
| bauzas | I was seeing neutron updating us the resource information | 14:15 |
| mriedem | ajo: what's the alternative? | 14:15 |
| ajo | so you can either call neutron qos, grab the policy, and make your own interpretation (in that case you need to tightly couple nova to the knowledge of that) | 14:15 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: as for the summit session, I plan to focus a good 30 minutes on getting a gameplan together for aligning when the quantitative and qualitative sides of the scheduler equation will meet. Right now, alex_xu, claudiub and a few others have been working on the qualitative side (host capabilities and other proposals) and obviously we've been focused on the resource amounts (quantitative) side. we need to ensure we understand when the two | 14:15 |
| jaypipes | sides will be aligned. | 14:15 |
| ajo | or.. | 14:15 |
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| bauzas | what the semantics of the resource usage is not something the scheduler should know | 14:15 |
| ajo | the other option, is asking neutron to translate that object into "resource consumptions from you" | 14:15 |
| ajo | but | 14:15 |
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| ajo | that defeats the original thinking of... "let's avoid scheduler calling other projects via API" | 14:15 |
| ajo | is my only worry | 14:15 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I agree with that, that's a good point | 14:15 |
| edleafe | OK, any other reviews to note? | 14:16 |
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| edleafe | moving on... | 14:16 |
| edleafe | #topic Summit Schedule | 14:16 |
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| ajo | jaypipes, I had this thought just today, I will translate it to the mail list for further discussion | 14:17 |
| bauzas | ajo: what I'm feeling is that neutron should send us a quantitative amount of resources to pick from, but what the resources are is totally blind to the scheduler, hence not needing a callback | 14:17 |
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| jaypipes | ajo: ++ | 14:17 |
| edleafe | #undo | 14:17 |
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| ajo | bauzas, but it's nova who creates the port, or grabs the port via ID... we can't send you all the info related to ports in advance, but, ok let's keep discussing | 14:18 |
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| jaypipes | ajo: yeah, let's save that for a ML thread, cool? | 14:19 |
| bauzas | ajo: jaypipes: +1 | 14:19 |
| edleafe | Yes, let's continue that discussion for email | 14:19 |
| edleafe | jink! | 14:19 |
| edleafe | jinx, even | 14:19 |
| ajo | +1 | 14:19 |
| edleafe | #topic Summit Schedule | 14:19 |
| ajo | thank you guys | 14:19 |
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| edleafe | We have two 40-minute sessions that start Wed. at 9am | 14:20 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: anything else to add on your ideas for those slots? | 14:20 |
| bauzas | some great anonymous created the session etherpads :) | 14:20 |
| edleafe | bauzas: link? | 14:20 |
| bauzas | I guess it's either mriedem or sdague | 14:20 |
| bauzas | edleafe: sure, once the summit schedule website will make me happy | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: I had a nice hangout with timhinrichs about the policy scheduler proposal. He has abandoned that and based on our chat reworking a few things. I'd like to take 10-15 minutes at the end of the sessions to summarize long-term plans in the scheduler space. | 14:21 |
| edleafe | bauzas: that'll never happen :( | 14:21 |
| bauzas | https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/9087?goback=1 | 14:21 |
| bauzas | which points to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-scheduler | 14:21 |
| mriedem | the nova summit etherpads are here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Newton/Etherpads#Nova | 14:21 |
| mriedem | they are mostly bare | 14:21 |
| mriedem | and we need to start filling them in, | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: will do this week, promise. | 14:22 |
| mriedem | which if it's left to me, i'm going to just mostly copy the contents from the ideas etherpad | 14:22 |
| edleafe | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-scheduler | 14:22 |
| edleafe | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Newton/Etherpads#Nova | 14:22 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: cool, I appreciate discussing on leaving a bit of discussion for something else than resource-* :p | 14:22 |
| edleafe | mriedem: huh, I thought you would have filled the sessions with obscure 80s music references | 14:23 |
| bauzas | s/discussing on// | 14:23 |
| jaypipes | hehe | 14:23 |
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| bauzas | or my brain would litterally explose | 14:23 |
| bauzas | :p | 14:23 |
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| edleafe | #action jaypipes to fill out etherpad for scheduler discussion items | 14:23 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: added a TODO for you in the etherpad. | 14:24 |
| bauzas | hah | 14:24 |
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| bauzas | I'm pretty sure I couldn't bring cheese with me | 14:24 |
| bauzas | or I would get kicked-off the border by the TSA guys :p | 14:24 |
| mriedem | btw the ideas etherpad is here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-summit-ideas | 14:24 |
| mriedem | #link original newton summit session ideas etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-summit-ideas | 14:25 |
| edleafe | bauzas: roquefort FTW! | 14:25 |
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| edleafe | Sooooo... anything else to discuss about the summit? | 14:26 |
| jaypipes | not from em. | 14:26 |
| jaypipes | me. | 14:26 |
| Yingxin | Possible to add discussing about shared-state-scheduler? | 14:26 |
| bauzas | I was about to discuss a bit of the ReqSpec | 14:26 |
| bauzas | but that's a bit consensual | 14:26 |
| bauzas | (basically passing it everywhere) | 14:26 |
| bauzas | so, it's not really a huge deal | 14:26 |
| moshele | is it possible discuss to with Device Capabilities https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286073/ ? | 14:27 |
| jaypipes | Yingxin: you will be in Austin? | 14:27 |
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| edleafe | moshele: that's next | 14:27 |
| Yingxin | jaypipes: yes | 14:27 |
| jaypipes | Yingxin: cool, I will add it to the schedule | 14:27 |
| edleafe | Yes, I'd like to hear more about shared-state scheduler | 14:27 |
| Yingxin | jaypipes: thanks | 14:27 |
| Yingxin | glad to meet you f2f | 14:27 |
| jaypipes | ditto | 14:28 |
| bauzas | what I'd like is to identify the timeline we'd get for the changes we're going to introduce | 14:28 |
| _gryf | i'd like to discuss about not trivial resources | 14:28 |
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| _gryf | like fpga or gpus | 14:28 |
| edleafe | heh, every time I try to type 'schedule', I end up adding an 'r' at the end | 14:28 |
| bauzas | _gryf: I would leave that for either the performance VM discussion or rather the friday timeslot | 14:28 |
| mriedem | _gryf: that will probably come up in the performance VMs session on wed | 14:28 |
| mriedem | ++ | 14:29 |
| _gryf | bauzas, oh, right :) | 14:29 |
| mriedem | i really really don't want the 2 scheduler sessions bogged down in far out new features | 14:29 |
| _gryf | mriedem, ++ | 14:29 |
| mriedem | when we already have a large backlog | 14:29 |
| bauzas | and we wouldn't have time to discuss that property | 14:29 |
| bauzas | properly (sorry, fat fingers) | 14:29 |
| edleafe | We can continue the session ideas on the etherpad and/or in -nova | 14:30 |
| edleafe | #topic Open discussion | 14:30 |
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| edleafe | Only one added to the agenda: Scheduling with Device Capabilities | 14:30 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286073/ | 14:30 |
| edleafe | moshele: you're up | 14:30 |
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| bauzas | that reminds me some spec from claudiub | 14:31 |
| moshele | yes so I want to address the qualitative sides | 14:31 |
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| bauzas | right, that's not something we consume | 14:31 |
| moshele | of resource to be able to build like framework so it will be easy to add device/resource to nova | 14:31 |
| moshele | so the idea it to create table which all the devices with all the qualitative capabilities | 14:33 |
| jaypipes | moshele: the *very* first step I'd like to see from you and others in this space (alex_xu, malini bhandaru, etc) is to have a *single* agreed-upon set of codes that describe capabilities of things. | 14:33 |
| jaypipes | moshele: there has been a suggestion in the past to use CIM, which was roundly rejected, though using the bottom-level string codes within some CIM namespaces might be doable for describing things like CPU features. What need this otherwise there will be no portability or interoperability between clouds running OpenStack. | 14:34 |
| moshele | jaypipes: so I am familiar with nic and PCI and I want to make it more generic for all resource | 14:35 |
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| jaypipes | moshele: so, to summarize, it's cool to propose a schema or object model for storing such capabilities, but first things first, those capabilities codes need to be standardzed and placed in a library or common consts file. | 14:35 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: moshele: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222200/ is the spec I was thinking about | 14:35 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: yup, I'm familiar with that one, and alex_xu's proposal that is dependent on it. | 14:36 |
| bauzas | okay | 14:36 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: claudiu's spec is more about a discovery API for hypervisor functionality, whereas moshele is more interested in the PCI device capabilities and flags. | 14:37 |
| bauzas | I agree | 14:37 |
| bauzas | (just reading moshele's spec proposal | 14:37 |
| moshele | not just pci for every device | 14:37 |
| moshele | devices that we would add in the future as well | 14:38 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: good point. Looks like an abstraction needs to be created so we don't keep one-offing these | 14:38 |
| bauzas | but that's very related to the session I want to discuss in the performance VM session | 14:38 |
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| bauzas | because that PCI tracking is honestly a PITA to me | 14:38 |
| bauzas | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-performance-vms | 14:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oh, that what we mean by performance vms then, I did want to go look that up | 14:39 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I was taking the PCI resource tracking in that session because I was feeling it was requiring a full dedicated session and not polluting the sched sessions | 14:39 |
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| moshele | I think the PCI problem is different story legacy problem, but we should look also for new devices and resources and how to plug them to the scheduler | 14:40 |
| * bauzas bbiab, just kicking-off my cat's butt | 14:40 | |
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| moshele | looking on the qualitative sides | 14:41 |
| jaypipes | moshele: I prioritize cleaning up the cruft we have in the resource tracker and PCI handling code over adding new features around PCI devices. | 14:41 |
| bauzas | ++ | 14:41 |
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| jaypipes | moshele: that said, if you can shape your proposal to be about a common, consistent representation of these capabilities (and a library that would allow any service project to agree on what a code for a capability means), I would think that would be a great first step. | 14:42 |
| jaypipes | moshele: think of it kind of like our discussion around the osinfo library. | 14:42 |
| moshele | osinfo? | 14:42 |
| jaypipes | moshele: we needed a place to standardize how we described operating system capabilities and definitions. osinfo was that library (for better or worse, but it was what we decided upon) | 14:43 |
| moshele | jaypipes: can you send me a link to osinfo library | 14:44 |
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| jaypipes | moshele: sure, gimme a sec | 14:45 |
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| jaypipes | moshele: https://libosinfo.org/ and it is utilized in Nova here: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/osinfo.py | 14:46 |
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| moshele | jaypipes: by the way I am working on fixing the pci code for resize and migration and I saw you proposal of removing the pci.stats module and moving the logic to the scheduler, so this should clean the pci code or there is something else | 14:47 |
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| jaypipes | moshele: yes, that is my proposal (or most of it). I need to refactor that original spec to include the device.tags mess that ndipanov rightfully brought up in code review and resubmit the spec for Newton. | 14:47 |
| edleafe | Anything else for opens? | 14:47 |
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| Yingxin | edleafe: yes | 14:48 |
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| edleafe | Yingxin: go ahead | 14:48 |
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| Yingxin | Anyone interested in nova scheduler performance profiling, here is an advertisement: | 14:48 |
| Yingxin | http://paste.openstack.org/show/494336/ | 14:48 |
| Yingxin | for the summit session | 14:48 |
| Yingxin | edleafe: done | 14:49 |
| edleafe | ok | 14:49 |
| edleafe | anything else? | 14:49 |
| edleafe | Or should we return to bug scrubbing? | 14:49 |
| jaypipes | Yingxin: wait, this is a conference session or a design summit session? | 14:49 |
| Yingxin | jaypipes: conference session | 14:50 |
| Yingxin | https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/7129 | 14:50 |
| jaypipes | Yingxin: k, I will try my best to attend. | 14:50 |
| bauzas | argh | 14:50 |
| jaypipes | Yingxin: I'll sit in the front row and heckle you :P | 14:50 |
| bauzas | possibly the least possible session to attend | 14:51 |
| Yingxin | jaypipes: :) | 14:51 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: conflict? | 14:51 |
| bauzas | one of the last nova design dessions | 14:51 |
| jaypipes | guh, shit. | 14:51 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: well, I'm just trying to figure out which one in conflict | 14:51 |
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| bauzas | now, everyone should know how I hate the new sched website | 14:52 |
| bauzas | please, please, free us sched.org | 14:52 |
| edleafe | bauzas: ++++ | 14:52 |
| bauzas | I could even make a donation campaign | 14:52 |
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| bauzas | if that's a cost problem | 14:53 |
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| bauzas | aaaaand, my browser crashed on trying to get my sched | 14:53 |
| edleafe | I'm sure the foundation can afford a decent schedule app | 14:53 |
| edleafe | Any other topics for Opens? | 14:54 |
| bauzas | yeah, so Yingxin's session is conflicting with the nova-ironic joint session :/ | 14:54 |
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| Yingxin | bauzas: I can write a summary to maillist for you | 14:54 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: yeah :( | 14:54 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: not needed, it should be recorded | 14:54 |
| edleafe | Now you know why I resist management's insisting on giving talks at a summit | 14:55 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: in general, I prefer attending design sessions for the exact reason that conf sessions are recorded while design sessions aren't | 14:55 |
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| bauzas | trying to get the consensus on something you didn't attended is hard | 14:55 |
| bauzas | anyway | 14:56 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: yeah, not every agreement is written down | 14:56 |
| bauzas | I enough ranted for today | 14:56 |
| edleafe | ok, let's move on | 14:56 |
| Yingxin | bauzas: good suggestion | 14:56 |
| edleafe | see you all (or at least most of you) in Austin next week! | 14:56 |
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| edleafe | #endmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 18 14:57:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-04-18-14.01.html | 14:57 |
| jaypipes | indeed :) | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-04-18-14.01.txt | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-04-18-14.01.log.html | 14:57 |
| bauzas | shall I bring some Chartreuse? :) | 14:57 |
| _gryf | bauzas, chaource would be better ;) | 14:57 |
| edleafe | Does it go well with barbecue? | 14:57 |
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| edleafe | 'cause that's all they eat in Texas | 14:57 |
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| edleafe | (says the vegetarian Texan) | 14:58 |
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| bauzas | heh, Chartreuse is an alcohol | 14:58 |
| bauzas | chaource is a cheese | 14:58 |
| _gryf | bauzas, oh | 14:58 |
| _gryf | my bad | 14:58 |
| _gryf | anyway chaource is my fav | 14:58 |
| edleafe | bring 'em both! | 14:58 |
| _gryf | from french cheese | 14:58 |
| bauzas | okay, I'll see what I can do :) | 14:59 |
| _gryf | bauzas, \o/ | 14:59 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 18 15:01:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:01 |
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| ihrachys | hi everyone! | 15:01 |
| korzen__ | hello | 15:01 |
| sayalilunkad | hello | 15:01 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: | 15:02 |
| saisriki | hi | 15:02 |
| ski3 | hey! | 15:02 |
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| mhickey | Hello | 15:02 |
| rossella_s | hi all! | 15:02 |
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| pmath | hi | 15:02 |
| asingh | Hey | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | ok. it's nice to see everyone here :) let's roll | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam Agenda (sortof) | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Summit planning | 15:03 |
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| rossella_s | OS_AUS_RIBF6ZE | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | I remind that we will have a design session that should cover upgrade matters, among other things | 15:04 |
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| rossella_s | sorry wrong window | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | #link #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-future-neutron-architecture etherpad | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Actions from the last meeting | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | the only action we had is "#action ihrachys to talk to armax about bp for ovo work" | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | so I talked to armax, and he agreed we better have a blueprint for ovo work | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | so here you go: | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/adopt-oslo-versioned-objects-for-db | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | please use the blueprint in commit messages for ovo work from now on | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268274/ | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | though it should probably be 'Partially-Implements' | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | anyway, it should not matter that much | 15:06 |
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| ihrachys | questions on that one? | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's move on | 15:06 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:06 |
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| ihrachys | we have a patch to enable voting for the existing job: | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299843/ | 15:07 |
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| ihrachys | sc68cal will need to respin it, he planned to reach me on the matter today. | 15:07 |
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| ihrachys | another thing is dvr job | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | which now is moved into check queue: | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299844/ | 15:07 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: ^ we may need to track its success rate and consider test coverage. | 15:08 |
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| ihrachys | the idea is that eventually it will replace non-dvr flavour | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:08 |
| korzen | ihrachys nice:) | 15:08 |
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| ihrachys | on objects front, a lot of progress is done. we are not there yet with huge resources, but we move in the right direction. | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:ovo+status:open | 15:09 |
| korzen | subnet patch had no reviews :( except for electrocucaracha | 15:09 |
| electrocucaracha | even when we have the bp, we're going to be using the ovo for topic right? | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: yes, topic is the same | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | korzen: ack. it's a bad time of the cycle :( | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | folks, please review subnet patch when you have spare cycles: | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/264273 | 15:10 |
| rossella_s | korzen I will try to review it tomorrow | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | another thing that should be ready is allowed address pairs: | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/287756 | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | (and patches below the dependency stack) | 15:10 |
| korzen | ok, thx, I guess we are and will be busy for summit/design | 15:11 |
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| ihrachys | one thing I wanted to run with you | 15:11 |
| mhickey | ihrachys, rossella_s: thanks for picking up allow addr pairs! :-) | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | it turned out that just using netaddr.* is not enough to fulfill our API guarantees | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: np | 15:11 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, more details please | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | specifically, netaddr.* has a bad habit of changing string representation passed into some 'standard' form | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | so when you do str(netaddr.EUI(<mac_address>) | 15:12 |
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| ihrachys | the result is not the same as what you originally passed | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | now, we have API tests that rely on that being the same value | 15:12 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: what is the format? | 15:12 |
| rossella_s | but you can specify the format | 15:12 |
| electrocucaracha | depends on the version? | 15:12 |
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| ihrachys | mhickey: there are multiple ways to represent it, like ff:00:... or ff00ff, or ff:0:... | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: you can specify the format, yes | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: the problem is that you still hardcode it to a specific format then | 15:13 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, right | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: and you should return whatever is valid for netaddr.* that is passed by user | 15:14 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: so if they pass fffff, you return that; otherwise if they pass ff:ff:, you return ff:ff:. etc. | 15:14 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: ok | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | so, long story short, to make API tests happy, I introduced some smart subclasses for netaddr* | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287756/13/neutron/common/utils.py | 15:14 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, if they pass fffff we convert it and then pass back the standard format? how does it work now? | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | they override __str__ to output whatever was passed into __init__ in the first place | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: currently we don't pass those values thru netaddr.* so it does not affect the format. | 15:15 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, so currently there's no enforcement on the format | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: currently we allow anything that passes thru netaddr.valid_mac | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | which is any random stuff that netaddr can interpret | 15:16 |
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| ihrachys | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron/tree/neutron/api/v2/attributes.py#n188 | 15:17 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, then bear with me...maybe we should change the MACField to do just that | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | ^ that's where validation on API level occurs | 15:17 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, let me look at your patch | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: well, our field requires netaddr.EUI, so database code already need to initialize it before passing into Field | 15:18 |
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| ihrachys | so it's a bit twisted. the point is, I need your eyes on that, it's a bit tricky. | 15:18 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, I am just wondering if it should be of type string in the end + validation | 15:18 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, to mirror what's currently done in the codebase | 15:19 |
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| mhickey | ihrachys: re https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287756/, good work in patch! | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: for IP addresses too? | 15:20 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: will take another look as well.. | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: I mean, we will end up with all fields string :) | 15:20 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, just talking out loud | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: sure. I will be glad to see your reviews on the patch. it needs some good eyes. | 15:21 |
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| pmath | I was hoping to get more reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304862, savailability zones ovo, looks like I didn't put it on the ovo branch/topic | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | pmath: aye. I changed the topic for you. | 15:22 |
| pmath | thanks | 15:22 |
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| ihrachys | pmath: please make sure all your patches are using the topic. | 15:22 |
| pmath | k | 15:22 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, anyway I didn't mean to go back to the plain string field. I'd just modify the current MAC field to be less string and to save the string passed after validation | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | I mean, not all, just ovo :) | 15:22 |
| rossella_s | jbr+ | 15:22 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, let's keep discussing on the patch | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | I am all for it :) ok, let's move on | 15:23 |
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| ihrachys | one more thing that I stumbled upon for ovo work | 15:23 |
| korzen | does anybody know when are the milestones for newton? | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | korzen: http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 15:24 |
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| ihrachys | ok, so the thing I stumbled upon is: we need to support advanced pagination/sorting criteria for resources we switch to objects | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | and current get_objects() API does not allow for that | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | I have a patch for just that at: | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/300055 | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | I would be glad to see more eyes on that one | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | specifically, it blocks adoption for subnetpool | 15:25 |
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| ihrachys | but I believe other resources will need it as well | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | one thing to note is that test coverage for the features [sorting + pagination] is non-existent | 15:26 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, thanks for raising this point and for working on it! | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | so we will need to introduce api test coverage before touching that | 15:26 |
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| ihrachys | I have a first set of tests for networks at: | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/306272 | 15:26 |
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| ihrachys | I tried to write ^ in a way that would be easily extensible to other resources | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | so... I just beg for reviews :) | 15:27 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Next meetings | 15:28 |
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| ihrachys | for the next meetings, we will need to skip the next week and the week after it | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | I will post an email with the info to openstack-dev@ after the meeting | 15:28 |
| korzen | ihrachys, can we add this to the Backlog in wiki page? I guess that giving an example and then point people where to follow the OVO implementation would be helpfull | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to cancel next meetings in openstack-dev@ | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | korzen: this == ? | 15:29 |
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| korzen | this == API tests, OVO API and OVO core Neutron code adoption | 15:29 |
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| ihrachys | not sure I follow the suggestion. | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | you mean mention those patches on the wiki? | 15:30 |
| korzen | for example I'm working on subnet and network OVO and I guess that there are a lot of steps to be done in order to fully adopt the objects | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | oh, ok, general check list | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | I will do it | 15:31 |
| korzen | what does mean to integrate the object in Neutron core | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to update wiki page with the check list for object adoption (object, database access code, API test coverage, ...) | 15:31 |
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| ihrachys | so, speaking of the next meetings... | 15:32 |
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| ihrachys | the first meeting we will have after the summit, I will be on PTO | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | anyone willing to step in and handle the chair burden? | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | alternatively, we just cancel. but I suspect that it may be not ideal for the team. | 15:32 |
| electrocucaracha | PTO? | 15:32 |
| korzen | PTO? | 15:33 |
| saisriki | Paid Time off | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | sorry. PTO == vacation | 15:33 |
| mhickey | leave | 15:33 |
| mhickey | Holiday in Ireland! :-) | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | korzen: rossella_s: anyone of you willing to run that one? | 15:33 |
| korzen | I can run | 15:33 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, I can too | 15:33 |
| electrocucaracha | I'll be on Paternity leave 8 weeks starting on May 9 | 15:33 |
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| ihrachys | it will be May 9th | 15:33 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: oh. congrats ;) | 15:34 |
| mhickey | electrocucaracha: Congrats! :-) | 15:34 |
| rossella_s | electrocucaracha, congrats!! | 15:34 |
| electrocucaracha | thanks ihrachys and mhickey | 15:34 |
| electrocucaracha | and rossella_s | 15:34 |
| sayalilunkad | I will also be off for two weeks after the summit | 15:34 |
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| ihrachys | hm. do we have enough people to have a meeting then? should we then cancel indeed? | 15:34 |
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| ihrachys | oh sorry | 15:35 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, it seems it's jst me and korzen | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: you can run a short one. :) | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | you decide, I don't mind. | 15:35 |
| mhickey | rossella_s, korzen: will you be in form after long haul flight?! | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: it's not the first week after summit. | 15:35 |
| korzen | in 9th May? | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | sorry. | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | my fingers type wrong letters. | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | korzen: yes, that's the date. | 15:36 |
| rossella_s | ok so, let's have a meeting, even a short one | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | ok, cool | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:36 |
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| ihrachys | anything else to discuss? | 15:36 |
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| korzen | mhickey 9th May I will be a week after flying ;) | 15:36 |
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| mhickey | korzen: my bad. yu maybe in the drunk tank though! :) | 15:37 |
| saisriki | I want to understand how to handle mixin classes for porting to OVO? Any general steps to follow? | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | saisriki: what specifically? | 15:37 |
| korzen | mhickey I'm planning to clean my house and garage the after I arrive in Poland :D | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | saisriki: for allowed address pairs, it was quite smooth | 15:38 |
| saisriki | I was trying to look at extra_routes for example | 15:38 |
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| ihrachys | saisriki: is it part of some other object? | 15:38 |
| saisriki | It is part of RouterRoute #link https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/db/extraroute_db.py | 15:38 |
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| ihrachys | saisriki: I think it's similar. | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | saisriki: see: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287756/13/neutron/db/allowedaddresspairs_db.py | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | basically, you just switch every instance of direct model usage to the object interface. | 15:40 |
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| saisriki | yes. I will try and follow the allowed address pairs | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | that's assuming you have an object for RouterRoute and don't embed it into the Router itself. | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | if that's the latter case, I don't think we had it before, so we would need more thought. | 15:40 |
| saisriki | ihrachys: ok | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | ok, cool, I hope that covers your needs for now. | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | anything else? | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's call it a day. see some of you on the summit, else in several weeks! | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:43 |
| korzen | I hope to see you all in Austin and have a good design discussions! | 15:43 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: sure will | 15:43 |
| mhickey | see you all there. | 15:43 |
| sayalilunkad | see you all, bye! | 15:43 |
| korzen | bye | 15:43 |
| mhickey | bye | 15:43 |
| saisriki | bye | 15:43 |
| electrocucaracha | byt | 15:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 18 15:43:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-04-18-15.01.html | 15:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-04-18-15.01.txt | 15:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-04-18-15.01.log.html | 15:43 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 18 16:00:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
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| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | howdy folks, let's see if anyone shows up today :) | 16:00 |
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| jecarey | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for GheRivero, amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims, dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, haypo, | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, spamaps | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for sergmelikyan, sreshetnyak, sileht, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek, gcb, Nakato | 16:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:00 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:00 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:00 |
| stevemar | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | hi hi, i'm guessing light attendance today (because summit) but let's see | 16:00 |
| redrobot | o/ | 16:00 |
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| stevemar | harlowja_at_home: ya never know ! | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | stevemar, agreed, will wait a few seconds to see who all shows :-P | 16:01 |
| bknudson | take a week-long nap to prepare for the summit | 16:01 |
| johnsom | I bet it will be a lot lighter next week.... | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | ;) | 16:01 |
| stevemar | johnsom: yeah, probably :) | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | it will be keynote or something next time around, ha | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | (next week at this time) | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | ok, guess we should do some meeting stuffs | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:02 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so i guess keystone + oslo.log had some issues | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | or that's what i saw from dims | 16:02 |
| bknudson | I haven't had a chance to look at it. | 16:03 |
| stevemar | harlowja_at_home: yep, ajeager summed it up on the ML | 16:03 |
| johnsom | Nothing here, though I am still interested in a taskflow release | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | stevemar, agreed, seems like a few options to resolve that, babel can release, oslo.i8ln can | 16:03 |
| stevemar | there were a few factors at play, keystone wasn't respecting upper constraints, but oslo.log was pulling in a new version of babel, via oslo.i18n | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:03 |
| bknudson | I proposed a change to debtcollector to get keystoneclient, etc., docs generating correctly: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305489/ | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | harlowja_at_home: No flags from Cinder. | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, thx | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | jungleboyj, thx | 16:04 |
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| ihrachys | no flags from neutron. though I saw some failure in oslo master jobs that may be related to late changes in oslo.versionedobjects. I would need to look into logs. | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | hmmm | 16:05 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ihrachys, thx, let's investigate that before i do much of any release proposals | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Release proposals | 16:05 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so i've made a little script to make a bunch of release proposals automatically, so i'll probably start uploading that to the release repo soon | 16:05 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i just don't want to start releasing to much before the summit and when people aren't around, lol | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | tool @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306648/ | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | nice of you :) | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | ihrachys, ya, i'm all about the niceness | 16:06 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so i might just run that script/tool and upload the change but will put WIP on it, because of summit | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | and people can let me know if they want me to split off any release change from that bigger release | 16:07 |
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| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, i think u qualify for that :) | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | since i think certain releases will be ok this week, just i think other ones have alot of changes backlogged and i'd rather not this week ;) | 16:07 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I can wait until after the summit though. It's not a burning issue, just helps with our docs | 16:08 |
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| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | harlowja_at_home: yeah, just validated, new o.vo breaks neutron test. will look right now. | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | a few like debtcollector with bknudson changes and taskflow probably are ok | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | ihrachys, thx | 16:08 |
| kgiusti | I've got a minor 'tweak' to liberty stable https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307207/ | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | kgiusti, cool | 16:08 |
| kgiusti | maybe too little too late. | 16:09 |
| kgiusti | there's been confusion about what exactly happens to qpidd in mitaka | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:09 |
| bknudson | since we've got a stable/mitaka that would put stable/liberty in the security-fixes-only mode | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | ah | 16:09 |
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| ihrachys | bknudson: not really. it's High+ bugs | 16:09 |
| kgiusti | :( | 16:09 |
| bknudson | aka phase 2 | 16:09 |
| bknudson | http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/stable-branches.html | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | bknudson: CVE only is N-2 | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | "Phase II (6-12 months): Only critical bugfixes and security patches are acceptable" | 16:10 |
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| kgiusti | dims et.al. are doing a 'what's new in oslo' preso at summit | 16:11 |
| zzzeek | \o | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | kgiusti, oh nice | 16:11 |
| kgiusti | I wonder how much it would take in kickbacks to get him to talk a bit about amqp10 | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Summit preparation(s) | 16:11 |
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| kgiusti | at least let people know there's still support for qpidd in mitaka | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | so that's a good point, what else are people going to be doing at the summit that is possibly oslo related ? | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | besides the oslo sessions :-P | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/092423.html (oslo stuffs) | 16:12 |
| kgiusti | my preso is wait-listed, FWIW | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | :( | 16:13 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i'm also looking for folks to take lead on some of the sessions in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Newton/Etherpads#Oslo | 16:13 |
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| johnsom | LBaaS/Octavia is presenting, but I don't think we plan to talk much about taskflow this time. | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | each one of those etherpads i put a little template format in (it'd be nice to expand it a little) | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | any volunteers to fill some of those out ;) | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'll fill out the ones that people don't (eventually, ha) | 16:14 |
| zzzeek | does anyone want to talk about oslo.db stuff | 16:14 |
| kgiusti | I've slapped a little verbage on this one: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-oslo-messaging-drivers | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | zzzeek, at the summit or here? | 16:14 |
| zzzeek | at the summit | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | sure | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'm all for talking about it | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | what do we want to talk about :) | 16:14 |
| * zzzeek doesnt have much to talk about :) but can answer questions | 16:14 | |
| * rpodolyaka too :) | 16:14 | |
| harlowja_at_home | we should have a part of the dev lounge called 'oslo IT support' | 16:15 |
| zzzeek | rpodolyaka: you coming ? | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | we can get a desk from somewhere and have someone doing 'oslo q/a' | 16:15 |
| * harlowja_at_home only sort of joking, lol | 16:15 | |
| rpodolyaka | yeah, will be there | 16:17 |
| zzzeek | rpodolyaka: great | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | :-) Just reboot. THat fixes everything. | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | ;) | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | turn it on and off again, lol | 16:17 |
| bknudson | do I have to get a session just to get the engine? http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/keystone/common/sql/migration_helpers.py#n178 | 16:17 |
| dmitryme | re doing anything something beside Oslo design sessions - I am going to attend Operators sessesions related to messaging | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | dmitryme, cool | 16:17 |
| dmitryme | I guess it might turn into messaging Q&A session :-) | 16:17 |
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| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:17 |
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| rpodolyaka | bknudson: not necessary, https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/oslo-specs/specs/kilo/make-enginefacade-a-facade.html#core-connection-methods | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | ok, so i guess if folks have any oslo or neat sessions, feel free to let others in #openstack-oslo know so that some of us can be show up and heckle (and/or be supportive) | 16:18 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Stuck reviews and/or specs | 16:18 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anything that folks here should be aware of to help review | 16:18 |
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| harlowja_at_home | guess everyone preparing for the summit then, lol | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | more slides, less code, lol | 16:19 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anything else that people want to bring up | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | otherwise i guess we will all see everyone in austin (for those who are going, for those who are not we will virtually see u) | 16:22 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ok, anything else from folks? | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | speak now or forever hold your peace :-P | 16:24 |
| * harlowja_at_home wonders if a netsplit happened, because its oddly quiet now, lol | 16:25 | |
| kgiusti | zzzZZZZZzzzzz.... | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:25 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ok, i guess we'll see everyone next week :-P | 16:25 |
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| kgiusti | see ya | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 16:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 18 16:26:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-04-18-16.00.html | 16:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-04-18-16.00.txt | 16:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-04-18-16.00.log.html | 16:26 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 18 19:03:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:03 |
| pvaneck | o/ | 19:03 |
| catherineD | silly me I started the meeting in the DefCore channel :-) | 19:03 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 19:03 |
| pvaneck | again? | 19:03 |
| pvaneck | lol | 19:03 |
| catherineD | yea :-( | 19:04 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: Hi | 19:04 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-04-18 | 19:05 |
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| Rockyg | it sucks to waste your weekend being sick | 19:07 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: oh ... hope you feel better now .. | 19:07 |
| andtey-mp | hi | 19:07 |
| sslypushenko | o/ | 19:07 |
| Rockyg | cold. getting better. | 19:08 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-04-18 | 19:08 |
| catherineD | let's start | 19:10 |
| catherineD | #topic No meeting for the next 2 weeks | 19:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "No meeting for the next 2 weeks (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:10 | |
| catherineD | The next meeting iwill be on May 09, 2016 | 19:10 |
| andtey-mp | ok ) | 19:11 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD: I'll have a day-off on May 9 | 19:11 |
| catherineD | I also want to check whether everyone here is OK if we move the meeting from Monday to Tuesday at the same time 19:00 UTC and #openstack-meeting-alt? | 19:11 |
| andtey-mp | I think we will have many conversations on the summit | 19:11 |
| sslypushenko | Actually, our Russian colleagues, too) | 19:11 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: if we move the meeting to Tues day are you OK? | 19:11 |
| andtey-mp | I'm ok with moving | 19:11 |
| sslypushenko | Yeap | 19:11 |
| sslypushenko | Tuesday, same time sounds good | 19:12 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: Rockyg: pvaneck: how about you on movinmg | 19:12 |
| pvaneck | tuesday is fine for me. is a slot available for 19:00 utc tuesday? | 19:12 |
| catherineD | yes the slot is available | 19:12 |
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| Rockyg | ok by me, but better grab the slot fast | 19:13 |
| catherineD | great ... | 19:13 |
| catherineD | I will grab the slot after this meeting ... | 19:13 |
| catherineD | #agreed Move RefStack IRC meeting to Tuesday 19:00 UTC #openstack-meeting-alt | 19:14 |
| catherineD | #action Catherine to submit patch for the move | 19:14 |
| catherineD | that is really great that all of us are available | 19:14 |
| catherineD | #topic RefStack Newton summit discussion topics | 19:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RefStack Newton summit discussion topics (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:15 | |
| catherineD | #link Please add your topics to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-newton-summit | 19:15 |
| catherineD | andtey-mp: agree that we have a lot to discuss during the summit ... | 19:15 |
| catherineD | I am so glad that all of us will be there this time ... | 19:16 |
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| Rockyg | yay! | 19:16 |
| catherineD | andtey-mp: I see your comments on the product REST API patch... Thanks... I will response so we get the conversation going ... but I think it is best that we discuss face-2-face | 19:17 |
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| andtey-mp | catherineD: ok. I've started implementation of product REST API and I though about this questions | 19:18 |
| catherineD | just want to confirm if meeting at May 10 ok for andtey-mp: and sslypushenko: ? | 19:18 |
| catherineD | andtey-mp: yup that is really great .. | 19:18 |
| catherineD | the more issues we found now the better because we can discuss face-2-face .. | 19:19 |
| sslypushenko | May 10 works for me | 19:19 |
| andtey-mp | it's ok for me but I don't know right now about my availability at May 10... | 19:19 |
| andtey-mp | but it works for me too | 19:19 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: is May 10 Mother's day? just noted that :-) | 19:19 |
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| catherineD | andtey-mp: that is fine ... | 19:20 |
| catherineD | moving on ... | 19:20 |
| Rockyg | mothers day is always a sunday | 19:20 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: oh | 19:20 |
| catherineD | #topic Vendor registation | 19:21 |
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| catherineD | andtey-mp: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302436/ is ready to merge ... but we just want to hold on so that we can merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306923/ to cut a release for the live site | 19:22 |
| catherineD | speaking of release ... we may as well moving to the next topic ... | 19:23 |
| catherineD | #topic RefStack releases update to the live public website. | 19:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RefStack releases update to the live public website. (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:23 | |
| andtey-mp | i don't understand what does it mean exactly ) | 19:24 |
| catherineD | so we used to update the live site with refstack master ... true CICD process :-) ..whatever merge to master will be updated to the live site 15 mins after | 19:24 |
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| catherineD | a couple months ago , we change to update the live site with tag release only ... that means that the live site only get updated whenever we push a new tag | 19:25 |
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| catherineD | with the we have total control of when to push what changes to the live site ... because we are the one who push the tag | 19:26 |
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| catherineD | pvaneck: and I usually push new changes to the live site on Friday afternoon ..when the activity on the RefStack site is less and we have the weekend to fix issues if there is any .. | 19:27 |
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| catherineD | However, last week .. there is a change that ..from now on only the release team can create a tag (based on request from the project by submttng a patch to the releases repository for review ... | 19:29 |
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| catherineD | we basically can not control when the tag is being created (as we prefer on Friday) | 19:29 |
| pvaneck | I don't think we'll be pushing releases too often, and release patches are merged fairly quickly. let's just stick with the new release pattern for now. | 19:29 |
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| catherineD | ok for the time being ... I am more concern about when we have big changes | 19:31 |
| Rockyg | You could also request that the push happens on a specific day and probable with a four hour window. | 19:31 |
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| catherineD | Rockyg: that would be good .. | 19:31 |
| Rockyg | If you go to the openstack-release IRC channel, you can usually get someone who can act quickly, also. | 19:31 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: and sometime if there is a problem we may want to push a new remedy release after that .. | 19:32 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: great suggestion ... | 19:32 |
| Rockyg | Right. IRC channel is good for that and if you can't find someone there, the infra folks can help | 19:32 |
| catherineD | I guess we will stick with the official release for now .. | 19:33 |
| catherineD | #action RefStack will update live site using the new release pattern | 19:33 |
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| catherineD | any other thoughts on this topic before we move on? | 19:34 |
| Rockyg | I think it would be good to meet with release at summit and discuss this as I think we're the only live website relying on them | 19:34 |
| Rockyg | Might want to flesh out an emergency procedure with them. | 19:34 |
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| catherineD | Rockyg: yea let's do that .. I know that they have a cross project session ... I will add out topic there | 19:35 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: thx | 19:35 |
| catherineD | #topic Product registration | 19:35 |
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| catherineD | andtey-mp: thanks for all the comments and implementing the patch ... | 19:36 |
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| catherineD | I guess this is one of the topic we will discuss a lot face-2-face at the summit | 19:36 |
| andtey-mp | sure | 19:36 |
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| catherineD | anything else before we move to the next very important topic ... | 19:37 |
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| catherineD | #topic Proposal to add Andrey Pavlov as RefStack core | 19:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Proposal to add Andrey Pavlov as RefStack core (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:38 | |
| catherineD | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/092470.html | 19:38 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: pvaneck: thanks for your response ... | 19:39 |
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| catherineD | I am so happy that andtey-mp: has joined us for this cycle ... | 19:39 |
| andtey-mp | thank you :) | 19:39 |
| Rockyg | Congratulations!!!! | 19:40 |
| sslypushenko | Cool! | 19:40 |
| catherineD | andtey-mp: you of 100% of the RefStack team's vote ... | 19:41 |
| andtey-mp | thank you very much :) | 19:41 |
| catherineD | Everyone please welcome our core andtey-mp: ... | 19:41 |
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| pvaneck | glad to have you andrey! | 19:42 |
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| sslypushenko | That is really great! andtey-mp, congrats ! | 19:42 |
| andtey-mp | thank you all! | 19:43 |
| Rockyg | Welcome aboard! | 19:43 |
| catherineD | andtey-mp: just some house keeping ... | 19:43 |
| catherineD | we try to only merge code with two +2 | 19:43 |
| * docaedo catches up late and is glad to see meeting moving to Tuesday (works better for him!) | 19:43 | |
| andtey-mp | sure, its a common OpenStack rule as I know | 19:44 |
| catherineD | we try to not have the 2 +2 for a patch that is summited by a person from the same company ( | 19:44 |
| Rockyg | Or the coder ;-) | 19:45 |
| pvaneck | you mean merge? | 19:45 |
| pvaneck | ah nvm. i got it | 19:45 |
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| catherineD | andtey-mp: I just add you could you try to see whether the +2 appears for you ... | 19:45 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: yea ... again .. we try but sometime we may have exception ... | 19:46 |
| andtey-mp | ok ) I see that you and Paul from IBM. maybe someone else? | 19:46 |
| catherineD | docaedo: glad that the new time will be better for you :-) | 19:46 |
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| Rockyg | It is getting easier to not have exceptions as the core team continues to grow:-) | 19:47 |
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| catherineD | Rockyg: yea that is exactly the reason why we have exception ... | 19:47 |
| andtey-mp | catherineD: yeah, I have +2 from now in review | 19:47 |
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| catherineD | andtey-mp: that is great !! | 19:47 |
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| catherineD | andtey-mp: I guess we need to check the email or member profile to see which company .. | 19:48 |
| catherineD | that is all I have today ... | 19:49 |
| catherineD | #topic Open discussion | 19:49 |
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| Rockyg | I've got something | 19:49 |
| Rockyg | Lots of devs are now running test clouds that aren't devstack and wondering how to use tempest with them | 19:50 |
| Rockyg | We have the solution, we just need to advertise it. | 19:50 |
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| catherineD | Rockyg: yea thanks for promoting us .... | 19:50 |
| Rockyg | Maybe an email to the dev list with all, tempest, refstack that introduces the client and points to repo and docs? | 19:51 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: any suggestion on how to do that | 19:51 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: ok that would be a good start | 19:51 |
| Rockyg | Also go to one of the QA sessions and let the QA PTL and others know about it. Maybe have a demo in a brownbag session or lightning talk? A lightning talk in the Ops sessions would also be good. | 19:52 |
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| catherineD | Rockyg: we have a speaker session at Austin | 19:53 |
| catherineD | with demo | 19:53 |
| Rockyg | Also, after the summit, I'd be happy to sponsor a meetup at Huawei where folks can demo it to the SV openstack crowd. | 19:53 |
| andtey-mp | Good example will be RefStack when we will finish new model - wher anyone can register his Cloud and run tests with any Guidelines ) | 19:53 |
| Rockyg | Yeah, but the speaker session is for the enduser stuff. Not too many devs go to that. | 19:53 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: a lighting talk in the Ops session would be a good addition too | 19:53 |
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| catherineD | andtey-mp: yea | 19:54 |
| Rockyg | andtey-mp, most of the devs just want to run tests and look at results. No interaction with the server | 19:54 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: register lighting talk is done on site right? | 19:55 |
| andtey-mp | Rockyg: in any case - they will need a Cloud to run on ) | 19:55 |
| docaedo | refstack-client still requires multiple users in the cloud being tested, right? | 19:55 |
| Rockyg | For ops lightning, you go to ops etherpad and just add your talk there. | 19:55 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: ok I will do that... thanks | 19:56 |
| catherineD | anything else? | 19:56 |
| andtey-mp | docaedo: it depends on tempest.conf | 19:57 |
| pvaneck | docaedo: at least for defcore tests, i think only one user is needed | 19:57 |
| Rockyg | docaedo, to run all tempest, yeah. But if it's your test cloud, shouldn't be an issue. Part of tempest config | 19:57 |
| docaedo | ok - for the sake of making it easy on newcomers, definitely suggest a little more help with tempest.conf | 19:57 |
| docaedo | on my first pass that was the only trouble I had | 19:57 |
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| Rockyg | docaedo, +1000 | 19:57 |
| catherineD | docaedo: tempest.conf is one of the topic on the speaker session .. | 19:57 |
| docaedo | but big +1 on telling people they can use the client to test their non-devstack clouds easily | 19:58 |
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| catherineD | next release we will add a help link to RefStack sit and include all RefStack doc ... hopefully it will provide some help | 19:58 |
| docaedo | tempest.conf as taken direct from devstack did not work for me - only worked when I changed it to use the accounts yaml and added additional accounts FYI | 19:58 |
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| docaedo | catherineD: I'll gladly review and test those doc changes | 19:59 |
| catherineD | docaedo: thx | 19:59 |
| Rockyg | docaedo, could you make sure your experience is reflected in the docs? | 19:59 |
| catherineD | need to end meeting now | 19:59 |
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| docaedo | Rockyg: will do | 19:59 |
| Rockyg | Good meeting! | 19:59 |
| Rockyg | thanks, docaedo ! | 19:59 |
| catherineD | see you all at the summit !!!! | 20:00 |
| pvaneck | safe travels everyone | 20:00 |
| catherineD | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 18 20:00:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-04-18-19.03.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-04-18-19.03.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-04-18-19.03.log.html | 20:00 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 18 20:00:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
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| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| jmckind | o/ | 20:00 |
| edtubill | o/ | 20:00 |
| mp1 | o / | 20:00 |
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| woodster_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | As usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda | 20:01 |
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| arunkant | o/ | 20:02 |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | Not a whole lot of barbicaneers here today | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #topic Design Summit | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-barbican-design-sessions | 20:04 |
| redrobot | The design summit is next week. | 20:04 |
| redrobot | Looking forward to seeing everyone in Ausin! | 20:04 |
| redrobot | *Austin | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | I added the Barbican schedule to the etherpad | 20:04 |
| redrobot | Thursday is going to be a long day | 20:04 |
| redrobot | also godo news arunkant we did get the 1/2 day meetup on Friday morning. | 20:05 |
| redrobot | *good | 20:05 |
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| arunkant | redrobot: just noticed that..great | 20:05 |
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| panatl | o/ | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | It appears there was some miscommunication with the Security folks, since they also have a BYOK fishbowl | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | Thinking we can go to their fishbowl on Wednesday and then continue the conversation during our fishbowl. | 20:06 |
| redrobot | not sure that we'll have 2 fishbowls worth of things to discuss though... | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | any questions/comments about the summit? | 20:07 |
| arunkant | redrobot: what is the agenda for other wednesday sessions. I see byok on afternoon | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | arunkant for the regular (non-fishbowls) sessions we'll be going through the etherpad like previous summits. | 20:08 |
| arunkant | redrobot: okay | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | #topic Bugfix Backports | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | let's do these one at a time: | 20:09 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303648/ | 20:10 |
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| arunkant | panatl has these changes related to sql password and token printed in logs in debug | 20:11 |
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| redrobot | I don't think fixing a debug statement merits spinning up a new release of barbican | 20:11 |
| * redrobot realizes that's the other bug | 20:11 | |
| redrobot | Liberty backport: | 20:12 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303845/ | 20:12 |
| panatl | 303648 . ia all done i guess | 20:12 |
| redrobot | Mitaka backport: | 20:12 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304335/ | 20:12 |
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| panatl | redroot: it is a security concerns .. so nee to patch both Liberty and mitaka | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | panatl I understand it's a security concern, but it's not a critical issue | 20:13 |
| panatl | we talked seperatly on that .. and u said just rephrase statement and avoid secret in logs | 20:13 |
| redrobot | I imagine most people won't ever run production environments in debug mode | 20:14 |
| redrobot | panatl I think it's a good fix | 20:14 |
| panatl | thanks | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | just not critical enough to re-release Mitaka and Liberty | 20:14 |
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| arunkant | redrobot: Yes..but if somebody just runs barbican in debug logs for debugging perspective, they will be able to see other people's token . | 20:15 |
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| panatl | barbican is about security ... i think this is critical.. need to protect sensitive informaiton :) | 20:15 |
| panatl | +1 to arunkant: | 20:16 |
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| redrobot | panatl by not critical, I mean this is a Class B3 vuln https://security.openstack.org/vmt-process.html#publish-ossa | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | panatl we could just issue a OSSN and not have to re-release Mitaka and Liberty | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | panatl so not a Class A vulnerability | 20:17 |
| panatl | ok ... we should atleast do the mitaka | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | panatl I think we can fix in master and write up OSSNs for Mitaka and Liberty | 20:18 |
| redrobot | panatl mitaka was just released, and I don't think this level of vulnerability merits a re-release of mitaka either. | 20:19 |
| panatl | ok thanks | 20:19 |
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| redrobot | panatl do you want to write the OSSN? | 20:20 |
| panatl | sure ... never done that.. but like to get involved | 20:20 |
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| redrobot | panatl cool | 20:20 |
| redrobot | #action panatl to write OSSN for Mitaka and Liberty regarding Bug #1567500 | 20:21 |
| openstack | bug 1567500 in Barbican "Barbican server discloses SQL Connection String containing a Password via LOG.debug()" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1567500 - Assigned to Pankaj Khandar (pankaj-khandar) | 20:21 |
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| edtubill | n | 20:21 |
| edtubill | finger slipped. ignore that. | 20:22 |
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| redrobot | I think that covers the backports? | 20:22 |
| redrobot | I just noticed the first link was not a backport patch | 20:23 |
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| panatl | yes that coveres BP | 20:23 |
| arunkant | redrobot: does this merit a backport https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303648/ . | 20:23 |
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| arunkant | redrobot: It a critical error logged if client sends json-home header to http://localhost:9311/v1 call. | 20:24 |
| redrobot | arunkant critical log? as in a 500 happens? | 20:24 |
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| arunkant | Yes..it reports error on client side and then log 'CRITICA' level log in barbican log | 20:25 |
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| redrobot | arunkant if the service returns a 500 instead of a 406 Not Acceptable, then we should backport it | 20:26 |
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| redrobot | arunkant but if the issue is just an incorrect log level, then I don't think it's critical. | 20:26 |
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| arunkant | redrobot: It does not return 406..it returns error . Change is to handle the issue correctly..so no 406 is returned | 20:28 |
| redrobot | > returns error ? does that mean 500 response? | 20:29 |
| * redrobot is confused because bot 4XX and 5XX responses are errors | 20:29 | |
| arunkant | redrobot : It returns "Internal server error" ..see the trace ..https://bugs.launchpad.net/barbican/+bug/1568141 | 20:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1568141 in Barbican "Unhandled CRITICAL error raised for json-home request to /v1 resource" [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to Arun Kant (arunkant-uws) | 20:30 |
| arunkant | redrobot: So yes 500 error | 20:30 |
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| redrobot | arunkant yeah, I think that should be backported to Mitaka then | 20:31 |
| redrobot | arunkant and/or liberty if it's also affected | 20:31 |
| arunkant | redrobot: Okay..I will add the patch for both of branches | 20:31 |
| redrobot | arunkant awesome, thanks | 20:32 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:32 |
| redrobot | #topic Should creator be allowed to delete related barbican resources? | 20:32 |
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| redrobot | #info No, "creator" should not be allowed to delete resources | 20:33 |
| arunkant | redrobot: this is the case we observed when people are using cinder envrypted volumes. We ask them to use creator role for creating keys..but then when user deletes the volume, it failed with 403 error on barbican side | 20:33 |
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| redrobot | arunkant that is expected | 20:34 |
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| redrobot | the only difference between admin and creator is that admin can delete and creator cannot | 20:34 |
| arunkant | redrobot: the reason is for deleting the key, they require admin role .. | 20:34 |
| redrobot | arunkant yes, that is by design | 20:34 |
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| arunkant | redrobot: why is that ? I mean from client perspective, which role they should be assigned ..creator or admin .. | 20:34 |
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| redrobot | arunkant from a client perspective, the client should have at least one user with the "admin" role on their tenant | 20:35 |
| redrobot | arunkant that user can add/delete secrets within that tenant | 20:35 |
| redrobot | "creator" was added as a role that can guarantee that secrets can't be deleted | 20:35 |
| arunkant | redrobot: But cinder allows creation of volume to any user with *any* role in a tenant.. https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/etc/cinder/policy.json#L9 | 20:36 |
| redrobot | "creator" is intended for automation systems that create keys for example. It helps guarantee that such a system can't run amok and delete a bunch of secrets | 20:36 |
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| redrobot | arunkant cinder roles != barbican roles | 20:36 |
| arunkant | redrobot: Yes..but then if user is using cinder volumes..do they all be assigned 'admin' role as cinder does allow user to delete volume | 20:37 |
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| arunkant | I meant barbican 'admin' role. I think it defeats the purpose if every used needs barbican admin role to work it properly. | 20:38 |
| redrobot | I'm not super knowledgeable about the cinder workflow, maybe kfarr can chime in... | 20:38 |
| redrobot | arunkant "work it properly"? | 20:38 |
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| redrobot | as I was saying, the only difference between admin and creator is that creator cannot delete | 20:38 |
| redrobot | if we let creator also delete, then there is no difference between the "admin" role and the "creator" role | 20:39 |
| redrobot | so what would be the point of defining two roles with the same set of permissions? | 20:39 |
| arunkant | redrobot: In horizon, a user can create cinder volume and can delete that volume for that tenant. If they use encrypted volumes, then they need admin role to do both | 20:39 |
| redrobot | arunkant cinder workflow aside, why do you want two roles with the same permissions? | 20:40 |
| redrobot | arunkant is this a problem in a devstack integration test between cinder and barbican? | 20:40 |
| arunkant | redrobot: creator role is not sufficient alone. Or may be we change barbican policy such that user with creator role who created the secret can delete it. | 20:40 |
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| arunkant | redrobot: No this is a actual deployment with cinder and barbican. I am trying to see the reason why we don't allow user who created the secret ..is allowed to delete it | 20:41 |
| redrobot | arunkant because secrets are scoped to projects | 20:42 |
| kfarr | just chiming in that arunkant is right, a non-admin cinder user can create volumes, but needs to have barbican admin role assigned in order to create the keys necessary for encrypted volumes | 20:42 |
| redrobot | arunkant all RBAC has been designed around the tenant roles | 20:42 |
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| arunkant | redrobot: We capture creator id in secrets..so we can easily limit access to user with creator role and matching that token user id == secret.creator_id | 20:43 |
| kfarr | * to delete the keys | 20:43 |
| redrobot | arunkant you can re-write your policy to fit your use case... I thought we were talking about changing the default policy file that is used in devstack | 20:43 |
| woodster_ | arunkant: so are you asking that there be an 'or' clause for the secret's user on this line (for example)?: https://github.com/openstack/barbican/blob/master/etc/barbican/policy.json#L33 | 20:43 |
| arunkant | woodster_ : yes..similar to that...add creator role to allow that . | 20:45 |
| redrobot | arunkant It sounds to me like you're wanting to add policy around user-identity as well as role-within-tenant | 20:45 |
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| woodster_ | cinder doesn't appear to care much about roles it seems. It seems Barbican should be more stringent than that | 20:46 |
| redrobot | woodster_ +1 | 20:46 |
| arunkant | redrobot: I am asking if it make sense to make change in master as this is a cinder use case.. | 20:46 |
| arunkant | woodster_ : Yes, stringent is fine..but then what we are saying to user who wants to use encrypted volume, they have barbican admin role .. | 20:47 |
| redrobot | arunkant yes, because you need the barbican admin role to be able to delete secrets | 20:47 |
| arunkant | woodster_ : And as cinder allows every user to have encrpyted volume..that means all users needs to have barbican admin role..which defeats the purpose of admin vs creator on barbican side. | 20:48 |
| woodster_ | well, I think there is a desire to simplify openstack configuration in general, so I would presume that means out of the box configs being fit to purpose. But that could also mean that we should be adding role usage where it hasn't been used, in the name of enhanced security. Seems design session/cross-project ish to me :) | 20:48 |
| redrobot | arunkant again, you never answered my question: If the only difference between admin and creator is that creator cannot delete, then if we add delete capabilities to creator what is the difference between the two? | 20:49 |
| redrobot | arunkant is it just a naming issue? | 20:49 |
| redrobot | arunkant does cinder have a "creator" role? | 20:49 |
| woodster_ | I think by 'creator' it is in the cinder context, so really the user who created the secret | 20:50 |
| woodster_ | ...not 'creator' in the barbican roles sense | 20:50 |
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| arunkant | redrobot: May be there are other differences..will need to check it. But from client usage perspective, as I said all users wil need to have admin role if they want to work with encrypted volumes | 20:50 |
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| * woodster_ though this Cinder policy line refers to a project match, not user ID match, correct?: "admin_or_owner": "is_admin:True or project_id:%(project_id)s", | 20:51 | |
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| redrobot | arunkant understood, we can revisit this if you can identify how creator+delete would be different than admin | 20:51 |
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| arunkant | woodster_ : Yes , I am surprised as well as cinder allows access to most of its resource with just any role on that tenant | 20:52 |
| woodster_ | it would be good to get the security group's opinion about these things too | 20:52 |
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| woodster_ | arunkant: my read is that no role is needed at all, but not sure how their middleware is connected | 20:53 |
| redrobot | woodster_ I think you made a good point about having more narrowly scoped roles within devstack | 20:53 |
| redrobot | woodster_ I think there's a cross-project meeting to that effect | 20:53 |
| woodster_ | well, my overall point is to balance ease of integration/adoption of barbican, with appropriate security constraints...some sort of happy medium in there perhaps | 20:54 |
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| arunkant | redrobot: If we allow creator user (user who created the secret) to delete secret, will that be okay. S | 20:55 |
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| redrobot | arunkant my point was that if we do that, then there would be no difference between a creator and an admin. The only difference would be the role name. | 20:56 |
| arunkant | redrobot: So it means that other users with creator role in same project..cannot delete other user's secrets..only their own | 20:56 |
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| woodster_ | I think the 'creator' role is the red herring here...I think we are really talking about the user who created the secret | 20:57 |
| woodster_ | ...so perhaps with no role on the project | 20:57 |
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| redrobot | I guess we'd be expanding the ownership of the secret to one user (the one who uploaded the secret) + project ... | 20:57 |
| arunkant | woodster_ , creator or admin can only create entities..so that's why was using creator role..but yes essentially its the user who created the secret at first place. | 20:58 |
| redrobot | it complicates the RBAC matrix a bit | 20:58 |
| redrobot | ... aaand we're almost out of time | 20:58 |
| woodster_ | arunkant: it seems cinder's ask is to not have any role for this create/delete flow | 20:58 |
| arunkant | redrobot: yes..but it can handle cinder use case. | 20:58 |
| redrobot | interesting conversation though... we should add it to the etherpad for things to discuss in Austin. | 20:58 |
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| woodster_ | maybe hockeynut could bring cinnamon roles for that discussion like at the midcycle a while back | 20:59 |
| redrobot | no IRC meeting next week because Summit. | 20:59 |
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| redrobot | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 18 21:00:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-04-18-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-04-18-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| redrobot | Thanks everyone! | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-04-18-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
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| shamail | ping carolbarrett | 21:01 |
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| carolbarrett_ | #startmeeting Product Working Group | 21:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 18 21:03:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carolbarrett_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:03 |
| carolbarrett_ | Hi Folks - Who's here for the Product WG Meeting? | 21:03 |
| shamail | Hi Carol. | 21:03 |
| MeganR | o/ | 21:03 |
| shamail | Hi all. | 21:03 |
| leong | o/ | 21:03 |
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| kei_ | o/ | 21:03 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | are we using phone bridge today? | 21:03 |
| carolbarrett_ | arkady_kanesvky - No bridge today.... | 21:04 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | looking at slides https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1zD3sc90WtcdCIwOsCPIrY1fsEvmk1wHmUTFmRE8mChc/edit#slide=id.p3 | 21:04 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK on phoen | 21:04 |
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| carolbarrett_ | arkady_kanevsky - Which session are those slides for? | 21:04 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | the first agenda item for today - board meeting | 21:05 |
| carolbarrett_ | OK | 21:05 |
| carolbarrett_ | You can find the agenda for today here | 21:05 |
| carolbarrett_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team#April_18.2C_2016_Product_Team_Meeting_Agenda | 21:05 |
| carolbarrett_ | #topic Joint TC/Board Slide review | 21:05 |
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| carolbarrett_ | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1zD3sc90WtcdCIwOsCPIrY1fsEvmk1wHmUTFmRE8mChc/edit#slide=id.p3 | 21:06 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | do we want to add themese as separate row for slide 2? or it is hidden in roadmap? | 21:06 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: we are reviewing the Board/TC deck currently | 21:06 |
| sgordon | Arkady_Kanevsky, i think this just a high level overview of what the group is doing | 21:06 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes | 21:06 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | ok | 21:07 |
| shamail | Do you mean the topic of themes at the BoD discussion? | 21:07 |
| sgordon | Arkady_Kanevsky, the roadmap themes and contents belong in the roadmap, not this deck | 21:07 |
| carolbarrett_ | These slides are meant to provide an update as well as background on challenges we are working through to get a work flow established for bringing requirements into the community and using them as a basis for creating specs. | 21:07 |
| shamail | sgordon: +1 | 21:07 |
| sgordon | carolbarrett_, understood | 21:07 |
| carolbarrett_ | sgordon: you are right. | 21:07 |
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| carolbarrett_ | arkady_kanevsky: pls add your session into the spreadsheet that we reference in the slides | 21:07 |
| carolbarrett_ | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Z5GbBueeE6sf1gpcrcYRZg-DqdrPda-VzkUami0zTiU/edit?usp=sharing | 21:08 |
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| carolbarrett_ | Slide 2 sets the agenda for the following slides; we are going to focus on the yellow items | 21:08 |
| carolbarrett_ | Any comments on slide 2? | 21:09 |
| carolbarrett_ | Shamail - do you have a user story work flow picture we can add to slide 3? | 21:09 |
| shamail | carolbarrett_: I sent you an updated version (in powerpoint) last night | 21:10 |
| shamail | let me upload it to drive real quick | 21:10 |
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| carolbarrett_ | ok - I'll grab it and post a link | 21:10 |
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| carolbarrett_ | shamail - I don't see it... | 21:11 |
| shamail | uploading to drive | 21:11 |
| shamail | and ill resend to you | 21:11 |
| shamail | #link https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_yCSDGnhIbzcnpGQ3R5UUZoZTQ | 21:11 |
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| shamail | sorry about that | 21:12 |
| carolbarrett_ | spoke too soon - think it's this one | 21:12 |
| carolbarrett_ | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1zD3sc90WtcdCIwOsCPIrY1fsEvmk1wHmUTFmRE8mChc/edit#slide=id.p7 | 21:12 |
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| carolbarrett_ | but I still don't see a user story work flow.... | 21:12 |
| shamail | Please check the link that I posted (I just emailed the PPT to you again as well) | 21:13 |
| carolbarrett_ | Got it - sorry | 21:13 |
| carolbarrett_ | OK - let' | 21:13 |
| shamail | np, I must’ve sent the original message to an incorrect email address. | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | but box on 3rd sldie under usre story is empty. | 21:13 |
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| shamail | User Story Workflow is on slide 4 of https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_yCSDGnhIbzcnpGQ3R5UUZoZTQ/view?pref=2&pli=1 | 21:14 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | needs editing so text stay in the box and readable | 21:14 |
| carolbarrett_ | Shamail: This is the work flow post midcycle, correct? | 21:15 |
| shamail | Yes | 21:15 |
| carolbarrett_ | I wonder if we need to highlight the areas in the flow associated with the Risks, so that folks don't try to read the whole thing...? | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | If the PWG creates the Implementation details and Blue Prints, will that be credible and acceptable to the Project Teams? - this feels wrong. | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | we shoudl leave impl details to projects | 21:16 |
| shamail | good idea carolbarrett_ | 21:16 |
| shamail | I can change the color or draw a box around it | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I think we can submit high level blueproints to each affected projects and developers will help provide details and feel specs for it. | 21:17 |
| carolbarrett_ | arkady_kanevsky: I think we all agree that the PWG is not the right group to do that...but the way cross-projects spec are defined today, we would need to do that. | 21:17 |
| sgordon | Arkady_Kanevsky, how would you frame it? | 21:17 |
| sgordon | Arkady_Kanevsky, it seems like a valid concern | 21:17 |
| carolbarrett_ | shamail +1 | 21:17 |
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| sgordon | Arkady_Kanevsky, instead what should be happening is product wg participants assign developer resources to write the specs | 21:17 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | <sgordon> +1 | 21:17 |
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| shamail | sgordon: +1 | 21:18 |
| carolbarrett_ | and what forum do they user for that? Cross Project Team? | 21:18 |
| leong | +1 | 21:18 |
| shamail | but cross-project is still useful for coordination in the community | 21:18 |
| shamail | coordinate overall need as a cross-project spec, develop project level specs/blueprints to realize the work needed in each project. | 21:18 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | first we work in cross-project team to identify each effected projects for user story | 21:18 |
| sgordon | carolbarrett_, if it is cross project - then yes | 21:18 |
| sgordon | carolbarrett_, that is after all what they do now | 21:18 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Then to blueprints and dedicated resourecs | 21:19 |
| shamail | This wouldn’t be done by the PWG itself but rather the developers working as the implementation team for the user story on behalf of the PWG | 21:19 |
| sgordon | carolbarrett_, e.g. that is why the instance HA spec proposal already exists | 21:19 |
| sgordon | shamail +1 | 21:19 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | we need to get instance HA to all projects. | 21:19 |
| carolbarrett_ | sgordon: I agree that the Cross Project Team seems like the right place to do it...today, their requirements only allow specs to be defined where the functionality exists in a project - not something new to all projects | 21:20 |
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| sgordon | there is of course still room for use cases, but if we cant identify devs to write the specs - then frankly that is the least of our worries | 21:20 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | all effected projects. Nova is the start | 21:20 |
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| carolbarrett_ | No problem on writing specs, if we can get a forum that supports it. | 21:20 |
| shamail | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295940/ | 21:20 |
| carolbarrett_ | thanks shamail | 21:20 |
| sgordon | where that forum is not cross-project then it is the individual projects | 21:21 |
| shamail | thingee has updated the new definition to include new features as well (but we still need to figure out how much of the concept needs to be designed) | 21:21 |
| shamail | sgordon: +1 | 21:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | We have 2 flows. One from projects where they start the work. Then we create user story and with cross-project team fill the gaps for other effecte dprojects | 21:21 |
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| sgordon | i dont see a model where the projects will sign up to be told what to do functionality wise from a central point | 21:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | down-> up->down | 21:21 |
| sgordon | that is not really the way the governance is structure | 21:21 |
| sgordon | d | 21:21 |
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| shamail | There are two types of cross project needs: 1) capabilities that could benefit all projects equally (rolling upgrades) 2) capabilities that need a sub-set of projects to work together (e.g. neutron + ironic integration) | 21:21 |
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| carolbarrett_ | sgordon - to me, it's about how we design/architect new capabilities into OpenStack so they are resilient, scalable and consistent | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Another flow from user/product WGs pridyuct wg-> corss-> projects (down all the way) | 21:22 |
| sgordon | carolbarrett_, sure but if we dont have contributors to each project to actually do the work (yes including writing per-project specs) then it seems kind of moot to me | 21:22 |
| shamail | If the entire scope of the work can be completed in a single project then we should only need a spec for the project, but this also goes against the types of needs PWG wants to focus on (multi-project, multi-release) | 21:23 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do we need a usre story it is in a single project? | 21:23 |
| carolbarrett_ | sgordon - True, but I believe we (cross-PWG companies) have the resources | 21:23 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | leave it to project. Maybe help them prioritize requests. | 21:23 |
| shamail | We need the ability to use cross project specs as a way to do “open design” for these multi-project/cross-project items | 21:23 |
| sgordon | carolbarrett_, yes which is what i am saying - i dont see why then there is an issue with writing specs where they actually belong | 21:23 |
| carolbarrett_ | This is the discussion we want to have in the cross project session - I hope you all are planning to attend that | 21:23 |
| carolbarrett_ | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/9477 | 21:24 |
| carolbarrett_ | and help shape the direction | 21:24 |
| shamail | sgordon: There would also be a spec at the project but if there are dependencies across projects then wouldn’t it make sense to coordinate at that level and then each team go do their piece of it? | 21:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | carol - excellent call. | 21:24 |
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| sgordon | shamail, co-ordination does not require a spec anywhere | 21:25 |
| sgordon | shamail, co-ordination happens today | 21:25 |
| carolbarrett_ | we need to move on - lots more content to cover. Do we want to setup a call to review the BoD/TC slides later this week? | 21:25 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | caril +1 | 21:25 |
| sgordon | shamail, it seems like what is desired is somewhere to put a central spec to make it "official" so folks can *tell* projects what to do | 21:25 |
| shamail | indeed but having one helps everyone align on the needs and gives transparency to non-developers as well | 21:25 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | carol +1 on slides reveiw | 21:25 |
| carolbarrett_ | #action carol to send out doodle to set time to review BoD/TC slides this week. | 21:26 |
| carolbarrett_ | sgordon - interested to discuss further, not trying to cut it off. | 21:26 |
| shamail | sgordon: we will have to be clear then that is not the intent, the intention is to have a forum to collaborate on design using cross-project as the collaboration point… cross project specs aren’t mandatory today anyway | 21:27 |
| shamail | We’ll park this for now and pick up at the cross project design session, good discussion sgordon! | 21:27 |
| carolbarrett_ | #topic Content for Cross-Project Design Session | 21:27 |
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| carolbarrett_ | here's the link again | 21:27 |
| carolbarrett_ | #link: https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/9477 | 21:28 |
| carolbarrett_ | There's also a session on splitting the design summit right after that | 21:28 |
| carolbarrett_ | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/9478 | 21:28 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | for story prioritization do we want to point to google forms (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1P0yNXuvdAI5BVUe6y7EINPks_3l6VFkJ8Ty_QLWz4rs/edit?usp=forms_home&ths=true#responses) or to speradsheet? | 21:28 |
| carolbarrett_ | who thinks they will be able to join the 1st session? | 21:28 |
| shamail | carolbarrett_: I can make it. | 21:29 |
| carolbarrett_ | excellent! Others ? | 21:29 |
| sgordon | i had both on my schedule assuming nobody schedules a meeting over it | 21:29 |
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| leong | i will try to | 21:29 |
| carolbarrett_ | sgordon - great! | 21:29 |
| carolbarrett_ | Leong - Thanks! | 21:29 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | have it on my calendar - but maybe prevented by customer meetings | 21:29 |
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| carolbarrett_ | I'll be there too - so it sounds like we should have good participation | 21:30 |
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| carolbarrett_ | Will you all be able to stay for the design summit split discussion too? | 21:30 |
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| carolbarrett_ | really? no one? | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I have conflict at that time. | 21:31 |
| shamail | I am | 21:32 |
| carolbarrett_ | shamail +1 | 21:32 |
| nateziemann | shamail, will you be there for IBM? I'm booked in sponsor track + prepping VIP event at StackCity Party | 21:32 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | And frankly I feel that that decision was made already irrespective of the consequences... | 21:32 |
| shamail | I was answering for both earlier | 21:32 |
| carolbarrett_ | I'm planning to be there too. | 21:32 |
| shamail | nateziemann: yeah, already had it on my calendar | 21:32 |
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| nateziemann | great, thnx. | 21:32 |
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| carolbarrett_ | OK - We'll use the TC/BoD slides to frame up the 1st session discussion and participate in the 2nd. | 21:33 |
| carolbarrett_ | let's move on | 21:33 |
| sgordon | theoretically i am attending that session as well | 21:33 |
| carolbarrett_ | sgordon +1 | 21:33 |
| sgordon | i have to see how many clashes i gave myself when i load it up in one view | 21:33 |
| carolbarrett_ | #topic Agenda review for Product WG working session | 21:33 |
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| carolbarrett_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Austin_Working_Session_Planning | 21:33 |
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| carolbarrett_ | that's our planning ether pad | 21:33 |
| carolbarrett_ | the session info is | 21:33 |
| carolbarrett_ | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/8358 | 21:34 |
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| sgordon | are these other sessions meant to also have pads? | 21:34 |
| sgordon | e.g. https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/9477 doesnt seem to | 21:34 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | lock friday session on my agenda. | 21:34 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | We are a bit short on new projects involvement | 21:35 |
| carolbarrett_ | sgordon - which sessions are you referring to? | 21:35 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/8358 | 21:35 |
| carolbarrett_ | arkady_kanevksy: as soon as we settle on the agenda I'll post a link to the etherpad | 21:36 |
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| carolbarrett_ | What do people think of the 5 topics we have for our 4 hr working session? | 21:36 |
| sgordon | carolbarrett_, the one i linked for example | 21:36 |
| shamail | sgordon: here is the etherpad for the cross project design summits (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Newton/Etherpads#Cross-Project_workshops) | 21:36 |
| shamail | They just didn’t include it in the description | 21:37 |
| carolbarrett_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Newton/Etherpads#Cross-Project_workshops | 21:37 |
| carolbarrett_ | it came out on the ML | 21:37 |
| leong_ | i think the agenda is sufficient for the 4-hr session, and always leave an "open" | 21:37 |
| carolbarrett_ | leong +1 | 21:38 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | we need a separate etherpad for friday working session - with its agenda in it. We can add it to session (as all other projects do) | 21:38 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | add to session decsription | 21:38 |
| carolbarrett_ | arkady_kanesvsky: will do after we finalize today | 21:39 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:39 |
| carolbarrett_ | any other feedback on the agenda? | 21:39 |
| shamail | none from me | 21:39 |
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| carolbarrett_ | ok, moving on... | 21:40 |
| carolbarrett_ | #topic BoF Session | 21:40 |
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| carolbarrett_ | #link | 21:40 |
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| carolbarrett_ | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1sv6ipcZ97mVBMRM70pLWK6c8mowXCQ8ntCSzTEkB4oc/edit#slide=id.p3 | 21:40 |
| carolbarrett_ | that's the content | 21:40 |
| carolbarrett_ | this is the session | 21:40 |
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| carolbarrett_ | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/9041 | 21:40 |
| carolbarrett_ | It's a short overview of the WG, who we are, what we do - want to bring new members into our WG | 21:41 |
| carolbarrett_ | comments? | 21:41 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | slide 4 - lets emphasis open process. google forms votes. email for votes - part of OOOO process | 21:41 |
| carolbarrett_ | +1 | 21:42 |
| shamail | Who will be at the BoF? | 21:42 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | waht about roadmaps & CPL? | 21:42 |
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| carolbarrett_ | I'll be there | 21:42 |
| shamail | carolbarrett_: I removed Hitachi from the BoD deck logo slide | 21:43 |
| carolbarrett_ | arkady_kanevsky: that's on slide 4 | 21:43 |
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| shamail | They participate in EWG but not PWG | 21:43 |
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| carolbarrett_ | shamail - OK, will do here too. | 21:43 |
| shamail | thanks | 21:43 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | sldie 4 need feedback from status back to user story | 21:44 |
| carolbarrett_ | will update that work flow to be the same as the BoD/TC one | 21:44 |
| shamail | carolbarrett_: +1 | 21:44 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | with clear steps to closure of usre story (upon completion) | 21:44 |
| carolbarrett_ | OK - If you have other feedback, feel free to put comments on slides. We will want to finalize by Thursday. | 21:45 |
| leong | looks good to me | 21:45 |
| carolbarrett_ | I'd like to move to the Community Roadmap | 21:45 |
| shamail | on slide 5 (user stories)… does it make sense to also include the overall user story count and link to either gerrit or specs.openstack.org? | 21:45 |
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| shamail | This way people can see the overall number and topics as well to see if they have interest in any existing ones | 21:46 |
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| shamail | sgordon: Are the ones submitted by yourself and Callum aligned with any OPNFV stories? | 21:46 |
| shamail | It would be good to call out that alignment for them I think | 21:46 |
| sgordon | shamail, they are individual contributions | 21:47 |
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| shamail | alright, thanks! | 21:47 |
| sgordon | shamail, some of them may or may not have also been submitted to OPNFV but i can not claim alignment | 21:47 |
| carolbarrett_ | shamail: I will make the additions | 21:47 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | suggest renaming Tempest to QA. It will cover all 14 QA projects including tempest and Grenade | 21:47 |
| shamail | carolbarrett_: thanks | 21:47 |
| sgordon | shamail, OPNFV folks are working directly in the community | 21:47 |
| sgordon | shamail, OPNFV requirements project -> openstack project | 21:47 |
| carolbarrett_ | #topic Community Roadmap | 21:47 |
| shamail | sgordon: yep, I was trying to determine if these are from OPNFV or individual. You answered my question, thanks | 21:48 |
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| carolbarrett_ | Shamail - Can you take this? | 21:48 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | no slide #s hard to refer to slides | 21:48 |
| shamail | Sure | 21:48 |
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| shamail | Can you please link the content carolbarrett_ ? | 21:48 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Let's sync themes slide to the one pete and I created | 21:48 |
| shamail | I don’t have the link handy | 21:48 |
| carolbarrett_ | #link https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_yCSDGnhIbzTDZTN1lwT3A1M1E | 21:49 |
| carolbarrett_ | sure | 21:49 |
| shamail | carolbarrett_: thanks! | 21:49 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | shamai, thanks for updating 1000ft view to include QA | 21:49 |
| shamail | The community roadmap documents all of data that we collected for the most recent refresh of the roadmap. I took all of the items from the 100 ft views and added them to themes to create the 1000 ft views. The 10,000 ft view shows which projects had work against which themes in each release. | 21:50 |
| shamail | np Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:50 |
| shamail | Any questions on the content? We will be reviewing it on the roadmap sub-team meeting tomorrow at 1800 UTC (2P ET) | 21:50 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | should we split managability into managability and user experience. The latter is the theme in board presentation. | 21:50 |
| shamail | Please email me if you do not have an invite to that meeting but would like to participate in the content review | 21:50 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Shamail - feel that we need to align roadmap and themes presentations | 21:51 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: I think the next release (after this) will probably include more themes and break down manageability into more consumable themes | 21:51 |
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| shamail | For this version, we will stick with the ones we have been using but will use the feedback from your themes session to revisit the topic for the next refresh | 21:51 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | let's cross reference 2 presentations | 21:51 |
| carolbarrett_ | shamail +1 | 21:51 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | they need to be consistent | 21:51 |
| shamail | This deck will not be presented at the summit | 21:52 |
| shamail | it will be posted to openstack.org/roadmap after we finalize it | 21:52 |
| carolbarrett_ | arkady_Kanevsky: will you be able to attend the roadmap team meeting tomorrow? | 21:52 |
| carolbarrett_ | Let's look at the roadmap session content next | 21:52 |
| shamail | I am thinking about sending the link to the final draft to all of the PTLs just to ensure they agree with how we categorize features into themes | 21:52 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | can you send me invite? do not have on my calendar | 21:52 |
| shamail | I will probably do that after the roadmap sub-team meeting tomorrow | 21:53 |
| carolbarrett_ | shamail +1 | 21:53 |
| carolbarrett_ | #topic Community Roadmap Session Content | 21:53 |
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| carolbarrett_ | #link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1OVDC9-u4fVM_XcfskMiVVutfsUHQO_gyML12u7_Ljis | 21:53 |
| carolbarrett_ | That's the current draft of the content | 21:53 |
| carolbarrett_ | the session info is here | 21:53 |
| carolbarrett_ | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/9029 | 21:53 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do we present https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_yCSDGnhIbzTDZTN1lwT3A1M1E there? | 21:53 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I see it is subset of roadmap for the wiki | 21:54 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | need to update slide 5 Tempest-> QA | 21:55 |
| carolbarrett_ | It is a subset of the slides. | 21:55 |
| carolbarrett_ | Purpose is to educate people that a roadmap exists and what it contains and then to cover some of the Mitaka highlights | 21:55 |
| shamail | carolbarrett_: you’ll be reviewing this content on the roadmap call as well right or will you schedule a separate review call? | 21:56 |
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| carolbarrett_ | Would like to do it in the Roadmap call if you can fit us in | 21:56 |
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| shamail | We can fit it in, 30 min each :) | 21:56 |
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| carolbarrett_ | perfect | 21:57 |
| carolbarrett_ | Ok - let's move on | 21:57 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | how do you want to get feedback on all these presentations? | 21:57 |
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| carolbarrett_ | either in the meeting tomorrow or email | 21:57 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | send to team mail reflector with pointer to the decK? | 21:57 |
| carolbarrett_ | Arkady_kanevsky - do you have slides for the Themes presentation to review? | 21:57 |
| shamail | For community roadmap: either on the call tomorrow or by email (if you review slides but cant make the call).. please send all feedback no later than 4/20 | 21:57 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks | 21:58 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | final topic - https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jAtkJVMYua7v9t0gaHJbwFMIvg-AuRLiDPzyX5f3YRg/edit#slide=id.g129bd00c3d_3_9 | 21:58 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | still in draft. looking for feedback. | 21:58 |
| carolbarrett_ | #topic Themes update session review | 21:58 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | will sync up with Shamail to align common slides | 21:58 |
| carolbarrett_ | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jAtkJVMYua7v9t0gaHJbwFMIvg-AuRLiDPzyX5f3YRg/edit#slide=id.g129bd00c3d_3_9 | 21:58 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | drop presentors? | 21:59 |
| carolbarrett_ | on slide 2 - it says the content is from 10/2015, are you going to update to the newer stuff? | 21:59 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes. | 21:59 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | will sync up to Shamail slide | 21:59 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | ditto for slide 4 | 21:59 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | meat starts from slide 6 | 22:00 |
| carolbarrett_ | for slide 8 - is that User Experience theme a proposal for discussion in that session? | 22:00 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | YES | 22:00 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: I was hoping that we would solicit the attendees for future themes | 22:00 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | 7->8->9 transformation, discussion and feedback from audience | 22:01 |
| shamail | suggest a few and then ask for more | 22:01 |
| shamail | awesome | 22:01 |
| carolbarrett_ | Good! I like slides 10 and 11 too | 22:01 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | shamail - that is slide 9. | 22:01 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | will add explicit ask for other themese | 22:01 |
| carolbarrett_ | It seems like a lot of slides for a 40 min session where you want lots of discussion... | 22:02 |
| carolbarrett_ | maybe include just 2 of the 1K foot views | 22:02 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | will drop most of them after 12. | 22:02 |
| carolbarrett_ | Sounds good | 22:02 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | one slide for sample of 1000ft view and ask to attend Tu session | 22:02 |
| carolbarrett_ | Folks we're over time and need to give this channel up | 22:03 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks and bye | 22:03 |
| carolbarrett_ | Arkady_Kanevsky - will you send draft to ML for review? | 22:03 |
| shamail | Thanks everyone! | 22:03 |
| carolbarrett_ | Next IRC meeting will be 5/9 - see you in Austin | 22:03 |
| MeganR | thank you - see you in Austin! | 22:03 |
| carolbarrett_ | #endmeeting | 22:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 18 22:03:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-04-18-21.03.html | 22:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-04-18-21.03.txt | 22:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-04-18-21.03.log.html | 22:03 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | see you all in Austin - my home town | 22:03 |
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