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kei | #startmeeting product_working_group | 02:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 19 02:00:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 02:00 |
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kei | Hi everyone. | 02:00 |
shamail | Hi kei | 02:00 |
fredli | hi | 02:00 |
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kei | This is the second PWG regional meeting. I'm the chair as hughhalf (Hugh Blemings) cannot make it today. | 02:00 |
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leong | o/ | 02:01 |
leong | hi | 02:01 |
kei | Who's here for the Product WG Regional Meeting? | 02:01 |
shamail | hi leong | 02:01 |
shamail | Here, good morning. | 02:01 |
leong | hi shamail, kei | 02:01 |
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hidekazu | hi | 02:01 |
kei | Hi shamail, fredli, leong | 02:02 |
kei | Hi hidekazu | 02:02 |
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hidekazu | hi kei | 02:02 |
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fredli | hi kei | 02:02 |
leong | hi all :-) | 02:02 |
kei | You can find the agenda for today here: | 02:02 |
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kei | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team#April_19th.2C_2016_.28UTC.29_Product_Team_Regional_Meeting_Agenda | 02:02 |
kei | I'd like to do Action Item Review first. | 02:03 |
leong | ok | 02:03 |
kei | #topic Action Item Review | 02:04 |
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leong | i believe i have sent out the irc cheatsheet before :-) | 02:04 |
leong | here's the link again | 02:04 |
leong | #link IRC Cheat-sheet https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m--DFSwTPqKmxGNxP7ThDYuNr017wI_bUQOtqyaeyG0/edit | 02:04 |
kei | leong: Ah, thanks. Have I already missed something? | 02:05 |
leong | kei.. you are good :) | 02:05 |
kei | leong: :) | 02:05 |
kei | From the last meeting, there were two action items. I'll go through them really quickly. | 02:05 |
kei | The first one is "All to read the Product WG User Story Workflow https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories#User_Story_Workflow". | 02:06 |
kei | Hope everyone has done it. If you haven't, please do so. | 02:06 |
fredli | yes, I have read it. | 02:07 |
shamail | Any questions on the workflow? | 02:07 |
kei | fredli: good. | 02:07 |
kei | any questions? | 02:07 |
hidekazu | I checked. | 02:08 |
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fredli | I have one question: how will this flow ensure the projects PTL/Core to accept the requirements from the user stories? | 02:08 |
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leong | that's the tricky part.. | 02:09 |
kei | shamail: Are you looking at me? Because I'm looking at you :) | 02:09 |
leong | note that the User Story doesn't "mandate" the PTL/core to "accept" the requirements... we still need to get resource to work on the spec and collaborate with the PTL/Core | 02:10 |
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shamail | fredli: There is no mechanism to ensure it gets accepted but we are hopeful that by following the worflow, we will get people from the technical community to review and comment on the requirement. The workflow is there to help us make the transition as smooth as possible but nothing is guaranteed. We are hopeful that people helping us implement the user story at the project level are already a part of the project team | 02:10 |
shamail | (and that should help too) | 02:10 |
shamail | lol kei :) | 02:10 |
fredli | OK | 02:11 |
shamail | The goal of the workflow is to broadly advertise the requirement and get as much collaborative action as possible. Both of these should hopefully help us when it comes time for the project to review the spec/blueprint | 02:11 |
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leong | also if i remember correctly, in order for a User Story to progress into spec/impl, we need to get resource commitment from various company | 02:12 |
fredli | will TC(just a example) review our input and give priority advice to the projects? | 02:12 |
shamail | That is true leong, that is where the implementation team I was referring to would be formed | 02:13 |
shamail | fredli: I am not certain about the TC but the cross project team will review it based on the workflow | 02:13 |
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shamail | all cross project specs today require TC review too | 02:13 |
kei | So it's not really about ensurance, but it's more like uniting force of people who has the same interests or requirements. | 02:13 |
fredli | ok, thanks. You replied my questions. | 02:14 |
shamail | This portion of the workflow (e..g who will review it, how much can the user story be concept vs implementation detail) is all going to be discussed at the summit since we definitely have open questions here. We will be raising this question to the TC and Board at the next Board meeting. | 02:14 |
shamail | More information on cross project: http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/cross-project.html | 02:15 |
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shamail | kei: +1 | 02:15 |
kei | And there would be some changes needed to the workflow because of Design Summit separation if I understand it correctly. | 02:15 |
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shamail | Workflow *might* change but we will have more information by the PWG working session on Friday | 02:16 |
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shamail | Anything to add leong? | 02:16 |
kei | shamail: OK. Thank you. | 02:17 |
leong | i'm good :) | 02:17 |
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fredli | thanks again, shaman ,key ,leong | 02:17 |
kei | If there's no other questions, I'll move to the next action item. | 02:17 |
fredli | kei, sorry | 02:17 |
kei | fredli: no problem :) | 02:18 |
kei | The next one is "kei and hughhalf to plan for next meeting". I've done this. | 02:18 |
kei | OK. Let's move to the next topic. | 02:18 |
kei | #topic Summary of Last Two PWG Meetings | 02:18 |
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shintaro | hi | 02:18 |
kei | shintaro: hi | 02:19 |
kei | I'll try to summarise the last two PWG meetings. We had them on 11th and 18th UTC. | 02:19 |
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kei | First off, you can find meetings PWG members may want to join here: | 02:20 |
kei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Austin_Working_Session_Planning | 02:20 |
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kei | I'm not sure if everyone has already taken a look at it. Does anyone have any questions about the planning? | 02:21 |
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kei | My only question is the pages says Cross-Projec Session starts from 4:20pm, but the following link says 4:40pm. | 02:22 |
kei | https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/9478 | 02:22 |
kei | I just noticed that. | 02:22 |
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leong | we should follow the event schedule | 02:23 |
kei | leong: OK. I'll talk to Carol and fix it in the planning page. | 02:24 |
shamail | yes, the event schedule is the best source | 02:24 |
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shamail | This is the second session though Kei | 02:24 |
shamail | I think it is accurate… | 02:24 |
shamail | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Newton/Etherpads#Cross-Project_workshops | 02:24 |
shamail | Seems like they changed the order between summit split and purpose of cross project specs | 02:25 |
shamail | I would assign an action item here kei (#action) and an owner to follow up on final times | 02:26 |
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kei | shamail: Yes. It looks like it. | 02:26 |
kei | #action kei to follow up on final times | 02:27 |
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kei | thanks, shamail. | 02:27 |
kei | The latest status for TOP 5 user stories is like this: | 02:27 |
kei | Rolling Upgrade: Cross Project Spec Created, under review | 02:28 |
kei | #link https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories/blob/master/user-stories/proposed/rolling-upgrades.rst | 02:28 |
kei | HA VM: Proposed with one +2 | 02:28 |
kei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289469/ | 02:28 |
kei | Bare metal: Proposed with no +2 yet | 02:28 |
kei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289627/ | 02:28 |
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kei | Capacity Management: Merged, no Cross Project Spec created yet | 02:29 |
kei | #link https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories/blob/master/user-stories/proposed/capacity_management.rst | 02:29 |
kei | Fleet Management: Proposed with no +2 yet | 02:29 |
kei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299531/ | 02:29 |
kei | I believe the ones in Proposed status need more reviews. | 02:29 |
shamail | For capacity management, we are looking for volunteers to share how they leverage quotas/capacity management today. More information in this message: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/product-wg/2016-April/001081.html | 02:30 |
leong | we need core reviews for the above user stories | 02:30 |
shamail | Please let us know if anyone would be interested in helping. | 02:30 |
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hidekazu | I will respond to review. | 02:31 |
shamail | I will go ahead and review 299531 and 289627 later this week. I have alread reviewed 289469 | 02:31 |
kei | leong: I haven't responded to your comments on bare metal spec. Sorry, I'll do that. | 02:31 |
leong | no prob kei | 02:32 |
leong | we need more review on the baremetal.. | 02:33 |
leong | i have contact a few ironic core to review the story | 02:33 |
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kei | leong: thanks for doing that. | 02:34 |
kei | Speaking of review, some more reviews are asked for slide decks or agenda for Summit. | 02:35 |
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kei | Joint TC/Board Slide: | 02:35 |
kei | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1zD3sc90WtcdCIwOsCPIrY1fsEvmk1wHmUTFmRE8mChc/edit#slide=id.p3 | 02:35 |
kei | Content for Cross-Project Design Session: | 02:35 |
kei | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Newton/Etherpads#Cross-Project_workshops | 02:36 |
kei | Agenda review for Product WG working session: | 02:36 |
kei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Austin_Working_Session_Planning | 02:36 |
kei | BOF session: | 02:36 |
kei | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1sv6ipcZ97mVBMRM70pLWK6c8mowXCQ8ntCSzTEkB4oc/edit#slide=id.p3 | 02:36 |
kei | Community Roadmap: | 02:36 |
kei | #link https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_yCSDGnhIbzTDZTN1lwT3A1M1E/view?pref=2&pli=1 | 02:36 |
kei | Community Roadmap Session Content: | 02:37 |
kei | #link https://drive.google.com/open?id=1OVDC9-u4fVM_XcfskMiVVutfsUHQO_gyML12u7_Ljis | 02:37 |
kei | Themes update session review: | 02:37 |
kei | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jAtkJVMYua7v9t0gaHJbwFMIvg-AuRLiDPzyX5f3YRg/edit#slide=id.g129bd00c3d_3_9 | 02:37 |
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kei | Hope I've covered everything and the combination of the title and link is correct. | 02:37 |
leong | I would encourage all to try your best to join the Product WG working session if you are in Austin | 02:37 |
fredli | sure, I will attend. | 02:38 |
kei | leong: That's the Friday one, right? | 02:38 |
fredli | wish to meet you there | 02:38 |
leong | yup | 02:38 |
leong | Friday | 02:38 |
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kei | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/8358 | 02:39 |
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kei | I'll be there. | 02:39 |
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kei | shamail: leong: Are there anything else we should cover in terms of summarizing the last two PWG meetings? | 02:40 |
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shamail | I think the recap is good. We will be covering the community generated roadmap content at the roadmap sub-team meeting tomorrow | 02:41 |
leong | anyone interested to find out more can checkout the meeting summary here: | 02:42 |
shamail | It is at 4/19 1800 UTC so it might be too late for most people here but everyone is welcome to join if you want to help review/give feedback on the content | 02:42 |
kei | shamail: That's right. Thanks for bringing it up. | 02:42 |
leong | #link 4/18 Main Meeting Summary: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-04-18-21.03.html | 02:42 |
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fredli | thanks kei | 02:42 |
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kei | If there's no more questions / comments, I'll do meeting plans and then go to open topics. | 02:44 |
kei | #topic Upcoming Meeting Plan | 02:45 |
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kei | Why don't we cancel 5/2 UTC as the main meeting just canceled 4/25 and 5/2? | 02:45 |
kei | And let's resume on 5/9 UTC. | 02:45 |
leong | sound good kei | 02:46 |
leong | 5/9 +1 | 02:46 |
shamail | kei: +1 | 02:46 |
hidekazu | +1 | 02:46 |
kei | thanks | 02:47 |
kei | #agreed Regional meeting to cancel 5/2 and resume on 5/9 UTC | 02:47 |
leong | should be 5/10 Tuesday 0200 UTC | 02:47 |
kei | I did it again... | 02:47 |
leong | haha | 02:47 |
kei | #agreed Regional meeting to cancel 5/2 and resume on 5/10 UTC | 02:47 |
kei | #topic Opens | 02:48 |
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kei | Any questions / comments / thoughts ? | 02:49 |
shintaro | There were an announcement in openstack-ops ML that telco-wg will be suspending its activity and moving to ProductWG for further discussion. Were there any discussion on that topic in PWG? | 02:49 |
shintaro | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-April/010169.html | 02:49 |
shamail | No shintaro, but we were aware that was going to happen. We are starting to collaborate with OPNFV more to ensure there is still a place to discuss topics of interest to the telco/NFV market. | 02:49 |
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shamail | Steve and Callum were already participating in PWG, so nothing changed excep the suspension of the telco WG meeting | 02:50 |
shamail | meetings* | 02:50 |
shintaro | shamil: ok thaks I will follow the PWG ML on this | 02:50 |
shamail | sounds great | 02:50 |
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kei | There's an event "PWG" on 25th in my calendar, but there's no PWG related session, right? Maybe, I just put it in the wrong spot. | 02:54 |
leong | don't think we have any PWG event on 25th Mon | 02:55 |
kei | leong: Thanks! | 02:55 |
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kei | Seems that there's no more topics to discuss. OK. Nice chat with you all! | 02:56 |
shamail | Sounds good, see you next week | 02:56 |
hidekazu | thanks. | 02:56 |
shintaro | thank you | 02:57 |
kei | Looking forward to meeting you in F2F. | 02:57 |
leong | see u in Austin | 02:57 |
kei | leong: right! | 02:57 |
kei | #endmeeting | 02:58 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 19 02:58:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:58 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-04-19-02.00.html | 02:58 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-04-19-02.00.txt | 02:58 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-04-19-02.00.log.html | 02:58 |
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shardy | #startmeeting #tripleo | 14:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 19 14:02:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shardy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: #tripleo)" | 14:02 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to '_tripleo' | 14:02 |
EmilienM | o/ | 14:02 |
adarazs | o/ | 14:02 |
shardy | #topic rollcall | 14:02 |
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jdob | o/ | 14:02 |
michchap_ | o/ | 14:02 |
shadower | hey | 14:02 |
shardy | thanks for the reminder EmilienM ;) | 14:02 |
beagles | o. | 14:02 |
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EmilienM | shardy: calendar as a service ! | 14:03 |
derekh | o/ | 14:03 |
trown | o/ | 14:03 |
shardy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TripleO | 14:03 |
tzumainn | hiya | 14:03 |
slagle | hi | 14:03 |
bnemec | o/ | 14:03 |
dprince | hello | 14:03 |
shardy | #topic agenda | 14:04 |
shardy | * one off agenda items | 14:04 |
shardy | * bugs | 14:04 |
shardy | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:04 |
shardy | * CI | 14:04 |
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shardy | * Specs | 14:04 |
shardy | * open discussion | 14:04 |
shardy | Anyone have any additional one-off items other than the one dprince added? | 14:04 |
michchap_ | I have a Q about hiera.yaml composition | 14:04 |
michchap_ | if we have time | 14:04 |
shardy | michchap_: kk, can we do that in open discussion? | 14:05 |
michchap_ | shardy: sure | 14:05 |
shardy | Ok, thanks | 14:05 |
shardy | #topic one off agenda items | 14:05 |
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shardy | * CI status report broke. Potential fix here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307532/ | 14:05 |
shardy | dprince: this is due to the firewalling right? | 14:05 |
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EmilienM | yes ^ | 14:05 |
dprince | shardy: yes | 14:05 |
dprince | shardy: ccamacho and I are working on a patch to generate a new report | 14:06 |
trown | cool | 14:06 |
dprince | derekh: on that note, do we want to keep the old tripleo-jobs.py as-is? | 14:06 |
* bnemec subscribes | 14:06 | |
shardy | Sounds good, would be nice to get cistatus working again | 14:06 |
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dprince | derekh: in case the firewall opens up? | 14:06 |
ccamacho | o/ | 14:06 |
trown | ya I think jenkins restriction is temporary | 14:06 |
dprince | derekh: like maybe our patch should be a tripleo-jobs-gerrit.py or something | 14:07 |
trown | though probably a few weeks | 14:07 |
derekh | dprince: we could revert it again, or keep it, either is fine with me | 14:07 |
dprince | trown: there is possibility... in the longterm that infra could move away from Jenkins I think and just use a zuul worker directly | 14:07 |
dprince | trown: whereas... I don't think gerrit is going away long term | 14:08 |
trown | and even after it is unfirewalled, we will still likely need to patch tripleo-jobs.py to account for CSRF protections | 14:08 |
dprince | derekh: I may keep them both side,by side | 14:08 |
trown | dprince: ya, the only problem with gerrit is no ability to check periodic | 14:08 |
dprince | trown: yep, we lose that | 14:08 |
trown | I am pro side-by-side approach | 14:08 |
derekh | dprince: the gerrit version wont get us the periodic jobs, best I can come up with its traversing the log server http://paste.openstack.org/show/494640/ | 14:09 |
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derekh | trown: best solution I can come up with for periodic jobs ^ its a WIP | 14:09 |
dprince | derekh: lets do it man. | 14:09 |
dprince | are we starting an unoffical "screenscrapers" team here guys? | 14:10 |
trown | :) | 14:10 |
derekh | dprince: can't think of an alternative ;-( | 14:10 |
shardy | hehe - well it sounds like we've got a workable interim plan then | 14:10 |
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shardy | shall we move on, and hopefully find out more about the duration of the firewalling etc next week? | 14:11 |
dprince | shardy: yep, we are done I think | 14:11 |
shardy | #topic bugs | 14:11 |
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shardy | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo | 14:11 |
shardy | So https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1571708 is one I was looking at with EmilienM and chem yesterday | 14:12 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1571708 in tripleo "undercloud user role assignments deleted by undercloud install" [Undecided,New] | 14:12 |
shardy | it's an issue where we delete the _member_ role assignments when upgrading from quite old environments | 14:12 |
shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307352/ is a proposed fix, which is a little ugly but hopefully workable | 14:12 |
shardy | feedback welcome | 14:13 |
shardy | any other bugs to highlight this week? | 14:13 |
EmilienM | shardy: I like your approach | 14:13 |
slagle | shardy: do you confirm that's a problem using all upstream bits? | 14:13 |
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shardy | slagle: It's a problem if you installed your undercloud then kept updating it for sufficiently long | 14:14 |
shardy | the change was keystone used to create _member_ as part of the bootstrap of the DB | 14:14 |
slagle | there were some patches carried downstream that were reworked before they ever landed upstream, related to recreating users at the end of the install | 14:14 |
slagle | ok | 14:14 |
slagle | just wanted to make sure the right root cause was identified | 14:14 |
shardy | slagle: sanity check welcome, I was under the impression the role assignments would have been created by keystone along with the _member_ role, but we can rework if that's not the case | 14:15 |
slagle | shardy: i'd need to go back and refresh my memory | 14:16 |
shardy | kk, any feedback welcome | 14:16 |
slagle | but based on your simple reproducer in the bug, it's probably not related to what i was thinking of | 14:16 |
shardy | Well the reproducer actually isn't fixed by my patch - if an operator adds a role to any of the pre-created users, puppet will erase the role assignments every undercloud install | 14:17 |
shardy | but it demonstrates the same issue | 14:17 |
shardy | Was https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1571384 fixed by the revised package build? | 14:18 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1571384 in tripleo "CI periodic jobs: undercloud keystone fails to start" [Undecided,New] | 14:18 |
dprince | shardy: I think so | 14:18 |
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dprince | shardy: 3-4 packaging fixes later and we are good :) | 14:18 |
trown | lol | 14:18 |
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trown | ya that was a mess | 14:18 |
shardy | dprince: Ok, sounds like we can close that one off then :) | 14:18 |
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shardy | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:20 |
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shardy | So I think stable CI was broken which should be fixed when we land https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306524/ | 14:21 |
shardy | The other thing I wanted to raise (which we can discuss in more detail next week) was the release schedule we plan to observe for Newton | 14:22 |
shardy | until now, TripleO has kind of done it's own thing under the "independent" release model | 14:22 |
derekh | Yup the liberty job is accidentally using the cached instack master image ... sorry .. this patch fixes it (in addition to moving some stuff into a function) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306524/ | 14:22 |
shardy | but IMO it would be a good thing if we aligned more closely with the coordinated release | 14:22 |
shardy | given that we're maintaining branches etc now | 14:22 |
trown | +1 | 14:23 |
shardy | #link https://github.com/openstack/releases/blob/master/doc/source/newton/schedule.rst | 14:23 |
shardy | There are basically two possible approaches | 14:23 |
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shardy | we either align with the main Newton release, with some number of intermediate milestones | 14:23 |
shardy | Or we adopt the new "trailing" release which allows a 2 week window after the main release | 14:24 |
EmilienM | I think tripleo is a good candidate for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306037/ | 14:24 |
EmilienM | +1 for trailing release | 14:24 |
trown | I think trailing makes sense if we have an actual hard date still | 14:24 |
trown | EmilienM: is puppet also on that? | 14:24 |
EmilienM | fwiw, that's what puppet openstack + fuel + kolla + ansible are going to follow | 14:24 |
bnemec | I mean, deployment systems are explicitly called out as the intended use case. | 14:25 |
beagles | +1 for trailing release | 14:25 |
EmilienM | trown: yes, probably | 14:25 |
trown | I think we are pretty tied to what puppet does | 14:25 |
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marios | o/ sorry am late | 14:25 |
shardy | Yeah, and also there's a natural lag in that we are dependent on RDO branches existing for a release etc | 14:25 |
EmilienM | trown: we'll do our best to release at the official date though | 14:25 |
EmilienM | trown: like we did for Mitaka, we released 1 week earlier | 14:25 |
rhallisey | hi (missed role call) | 14:25 |
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shardy | EmilienM: Ok, if puppet is going with that tag, I think we'll have to do likewise | 14:26 |
slagle | +1 | 14:26 |
shardy | but I like the idea of aiming for sooner-than-two-weeks | 14:26 |
EmilienM | right | 14:26 |
EmilienM | for sure we (puppet) won't wait 2 weeks | 14:26 |
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shardy | Ok then, it sounds like we have consesus but I'll follow up on the ML and folks can vote or raise concerns there | 14:27 |
trown | ya, "no later than 2 weeks" is good | 14:27 |
EmilienM | shardy: ++ | 14:27 |
shardy | Anything else re releases to raise? | 14:27 |
trown | note, that the trailing release model still involves milestones | 14:27 |
EmilienM | that are not required afik | 14:27 |
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trown | it is in the requirements on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306037/2/reference/tags/release_cycle-trailing.rst | 14:28 |
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trown | though not very specifically defined | 14:28 |
EmilienM | trown: yeah, I read it too, but iiuc when talking with doug it was not required | 14:28 |
trown | k | 14:28 |
EmilienM | maybe we can ask dhellmann to confirm (later) | 14:28 |
shardy | trown: Ya, I think it'll be good for us to consider some intermediate releases | 14:28 |
shardy | we'll have to decide if we follow the milestone or intemediary model tho | 14:29 |
EmilienM | shardy: yes, release more often would really help to iterate | 14:29 |
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shardy | Ok I'll try to summarise a plan on the ML and folks can reply there until we reach agreement | 14:30 |
shardy | #topic CI | 14:30 |
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derekh | One of our RH1 compute nodes went offline today, it was the compute node that hosted our squid and geard, so all jobs failed | 14:30 |
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derekh | its back running now, we should know soon if everything is ok, can't check jenkins anymore to see progress ;-( | 14:30 |
shardy | Anyone like to give us a summry of the CI status, obviously been another fairly rough week | 14:30 |
derekh | We successfully moved the tripleo pin yesterday to a repo from friday, we are now caching the IPA image, | 14:30 |
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derekh | this patch should allow us to use it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301699/ | 14:30 |
derekh | and this patch will start us caching the overcloud image https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306499/ I'll work on a patch to use it once its cached | 14:31 |
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slagle | #info we are testing stack-updates to the tripleo-heat-templates patch being tested in the upgrades job now | 14:31 |
shardy | derekh: did the automated promotion etc all work when the periodic job passed? | 14:31 |
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shardy | slagle: nice :) | 14:31 |
bnemec | I wonder if that's why my undercloud upgrade job started failing yesterday... | 14:31 |
EmilienM | slagle: w00t | 14:31 |
shardy | I believe therve posted a fix to the ResourceChain update issue also, has that been proven? | 14:32 |
EmilienM | do we deploy newton already? (puppet CI is failing at that currently, I'm working on it) | 14:32 |
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derekh | shardy: yes, its was an atomatic promotion, but it was a fake periodic job (didn't want to wait another 24 hrs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229789/) | 14:32 |
trown | EmilienM: ya, but only with pingtest | 14:32 |
EmilienM | trown: it's very cool, I'll investigate all my tempests failures when our CI is back | 14:32 |
trown | EmilienM: but I have had success manually testing tempest, with only ceilo notification and keystone v3 failures | 14:33 |
derekh | I've been trying to make the toci_ scripts usable by more people to reproduce problems, would appreciate some eyes here to help out the cause https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306506/ | 14:34 |
derekh | also | 14:34 |
derekh | I've been asked when would be a good time for the new RAM to be installed on the tripleo hosts, my suggestion was Friday 29th, this would leave CI offline from friday until the following monday when we bring it back up again. | 14:34 |
derekh | Most people will be traveling back from the summit so disruption shouldn't be too bad | 14:34 |
derekh | how does this sound to people? | 14:34 |
trown | +1 | 14:35 |
shardy | derekh: +1 | 14:35 |
EmilienM | ++ | 14:35 |
derekh | This is assuming we have the RAM in time if course, if not we'll have to pick some other time, we could wait until the Rack moves to a new DC but thats the beginning of July | 14:35 |
shardy | good to hear we've got a definite timeline on those upgrades :) | 14:35 |
shardy | derekh: would be nice to not wait that long if possible | 14:35 |
derekh | shardy: the PO is sent, so we should have it available once the supplier sends them too us | 14:35 |
shardy | One CI related thing, I did a bunch of memory profiling last week, resulting in https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1570983 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1570974 | 14:36 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1570983 in heat "raw_template files duplication wastes DB space and memory" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Crag Wolfe (cwolfe) | 14:36 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1570974 in heat "Possible reference loops lead to high memory usage when idle" [Undecided,New] | 14:36 |
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shardy | tl;dr - there are some issues which we may be able to fix to improve the heat-engine memory usage somewhat | 14:36 |
shardy | Anything else CI related? | 14:37 |
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rhallisey | container job was working for a bit, it is no longer | 14:37 |
shardy | rhallisey: what was the cause, tripleo code or the images? | 14:37 |
marios | shardy: looks like 1570983 is addressed already, and if i understood correctly will make significant improvement in memory use | 14:37 |
rhallisey | even if I fix it though, it still won't turn up from for the composable container stuff until I do all the roles | 14:38 |
rhallisey | since we run on atomic | 14:38 |
shardy | marios: Yeah the patch isn't ready yet but it may make a big difference when done | 14:38 |
rhallisey | shardy, it was working for a while, but about week ago it stopped | 14:38 |
EmilienM | should we enable it as voting?^ | 14:38 |
rhallisey | shardy, I think we should hold off on that CI job until composable container stuff is all set | 14:38 |
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rhallisey | EmilienM, it's not ready yet | 14:40 |
shardy | #topic Specs | 14:40 |
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shardy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open | 14:40 |
rhallisey | the compute node is going to undergo a lot of change, so gating on anything there won't really do much | 14:40 |
shardy | There's the lightweight HA one which could use feedback | 14:41 |
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shardy | should we leave other spec discussions until during/after summit? | 14:41 |
shardy | or does anyone have anything to raise now? | 14:41 |
shadower | can we have people look at the validation one again? | 14:41 |
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shardy | shadower: ah, yes sorry I meant to mention that one too | 14:42 |
shadower | it's prerequisite (the mistral api) has landed and I don't see any negative feedback | 14:42 |
shadower | *its | 14:42 |
shadower | but both mandre and myself will be at the summit so we can talk abuot it there, too | 14:42 |
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shadower | no worries shardy :-) | 14:42 |
marios | shadower: thanks for reminder i want to revisit. will this include things like 'is my pcs cluster ok?' | 14:42 |
shadower | marios: we're focusing on validating the predeployment stuff because it can shave a ton of deployment time. But we do have some postdeployment validations | 14:43 |
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shadower | not 100% sure they belong there -- with sensu being a thing and all | 14:43 |
marios | shadower: ack thx and sorry i see we bump discussion/take offline. just for sthing i was looking at today | 14:43 |
shadower | yeah, np | 14:44 |
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shadower | that's a question i'd like to resolve soonish anyway | 14:44 |
marios | shadower: link to the spec would be good in minutes | 14:44 |
shadower | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255792/ | 14:44 |
shadower | sorry | 14:45 |
shardy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255792 | 14:45 |
shardy | #topic Open Discussion | 14:45 |
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shardy | So, one thing before we address michchap_'s question | 14:45 |
tzumainn | have the topics for summit been announced yet? | 14:45 |
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shardy | #link http://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=TripleO | 14:45 |
slagle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-tripleo-sessions | 14:45 |
shardy | tzumainn: hehe | 14:46 |
tzumainn | shardy, lol, thanks! | 14:46 |
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shardy | I'll create the etherpads per-topic and link them into the main page later today | 14:46 |
shardy | There are a few conflicts with Heat sessions in the afternoon unfortunately, but otherwise all seems to be in good shape | 14:46 |
shardy | let me know if you see anything that needs adjustment | 14:47 |
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shardy | I'll also chat to folks in #tripleo and we can nominate spread the load of leading sessions around a bit | 14:48 |
shardy | any questions/comments re summit to add? | 14:48 |
shardy | Ok, michchap_ - your question? | 14:49 |
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michchap_ | I will be quick | 14:49 |
michchap_ | I was looking at extraconfig things for doing numa support as an optional component and noticed the hiera.yaml on compute nodes has a set of hardcoded files for each neutron plugin. I was thinking the composable services stuff might be a good time to look at making hiera.yaml itself composable, or perhaps merging things into existing yaml files. | 14:49 |
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michchap_ | I just wanted to raise that as a thing and ask if anyone had already looked at doing it | 14:50 |
shardy | michchap_: Yeah, the history there is until recently heat didn't have any way to join two (or more) lists | 14:50 |
shardy | I fixed that in mitaka, so we can probably make that list composable now | 14:50 |
shardy | although how we handle the ordering could be interesting | 14:50 |
michchap_ | shardy: Ah, but we might be in a good spot to do it now. | 14:50 |
michchap_ | shardy: ordering is going to be difficult. | 14:51 |
shardy | michchap_: Yeah, I think it should be do-able as part of the composable services work | 14:51 |
shardy | dprince: Have you looked into that yet at all? | 14:51 |
dprince | shardy: not specifically, but it sounds doable | 14:52 |
shardy | kk, thanks for mentioning it michchap_ | 14:52 |
dprince | yep, good idea | 14:52 |
michchap_ | thanks for your time | 14:52 |
shardy | I'll see if I can throw an initial patch up which illustrates how we might do it | 14:52 |
michchap_ | I might try to make a patch but heat isn't my strong suit. | 14:52 |
shardy | and we can take it from there | 14:52 |
michchap_ | ^ happy to review | 14:52 |
shardy | Anyone have any other topics to raise before we wrap up? | 14:53 |
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shardy | Ok then, thanks all, see you in Austin! | 14:54 |
shardy | #endmeeting | 14:54 |
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matrohon | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:01 |
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matrohon | hi all | 15:01 |
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matrohon | hi timirnich, pcarver_ tmorin | 15:02 |
tmorin | hi everyone | 15:02 |
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timirnich | hi all | 15:03 |
timirnich | enikher: are u on? | 15:03 |
matrohon | let's wait few minutes more | 15:03 |
matrohon | timirnich, enikher is supposed to attend? | 15:03 |
timirnich | tmorin, just checking - not necessarily | 15:04 |
timirnich | matrohon, sorry for the name confusion ;-) | 15:04 |
timirnich | folks I have to multiplex between here and the OPNFV release call - ping if delayed response | 15:04 |
matrohon | timirnich, fine | 15:05 |
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matrohon | ihrachys, hi | 15:05 |
ihrachys | matrohon: hi. what's up. | 15:05 |
matrohon | #topic release management with reno | 15:05 |
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matrohon | ihrachys, we want to use reno as our release note generation tool | 15:06 |
matrohon | ihrachys, I saw your comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307140/ | 15:06 |
ihrachys | sure. but in liberty, you don't have anything with those notes? | 15:06 |
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matrohon | ihrachys, actually I think we should add the material to have notes for liberty too | 15:07 |
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matrohon | ihrachys, and I followed what happened in other projects : | 15:07 |
ihrachys | matrohon: ok, and another question is why it's a liberty only patch. | 15:07 |
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matrohon | ihrachys, well, because this patch only introduces a note to say that we are starting to use reno in liberty | 15:08 |
ihrachys | matrohon: there was no such patch in mitaka? | 15:09 |
matrohon | ihrachys, then we are going to backport https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307150/ | 15:09 |
matrohon | ihrachys, ^ the patch for mitaka | 15:09 |
matrohon | and in a third step, we will add notes of what has been done in liberty, in stable liberty | 15:10 |
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ihrachys | ok, I don't really mind as long as you plan to extend it. | 15:11 |
ihrachys | I will merge it. | 15:11 |
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matrohon | ihrachys, thanks, I dumbly follow the way reno has been introduce for neutron and others | 15:11 |
matrohon | ok let's sum up what we are talking about now :) | 15:12 |
matrohon | as timirnich asked last meeting, we need to release the bgpvpn project along with release notes | 15:13 |
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matrohon | reno is here to help us, and a lot of openstack project are using it now | 15:13 |
tmorin | tmorin: yes, it looks like useful, a clean way to manage release notes | 15:14 |
matrohon | so I introduced the reno tool in bgpvpn here : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307046/ | 15:14 |
tmorin | matrohon: good -- what is missing now ? only a bit of real content, right ? | 15:15 |
matrohon | now if we want to add release notes, we just have to use reno to generate a file that we add to networking-bgpvpn/releasenotes/ | 15:15 |
matrohon | tmorin | 15:15 |
matrohon | tmorin yep | 15:15 |
matrohon | tmorin we need to produce releasenotes for liberty first | 15:16 |
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matrohon | so that documentation will be uptodate on docs.openstack.com | 15:16 |
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matrohon | then add releasenotes files for mitaka | 15:17 |
tmorin | where are the releasenotes exactly published ? | 15:17 |
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tmorin | is the note added in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307140 enough to have something published ? | 15:17 |
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matrohon | on the openstack web site for example http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/neutron/mitaka.html | 15:18 |
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matrohon | tmorin, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307140 is not enough, we need a gate job to publish on the web sites | 15:19 |
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matrohon | which is the role of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307150/ | 15:19 |
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matrohon | and of course backporting https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307046/ | 15:20 |
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matrohon | maybe the releaseteam needs to explictly trigger some tools, especially to publish our future liberty notes | 15:21 |
tmorin | yes, yes, but in net-bgpvpn we already have what is needed for a bootstrap | 15:21 |
tmorin | ah yes, | 15:22 |
tmorin | we need to backport 307046 first | 15:22 |
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tmorin | let's do it now! | 15:22 |
* tmorin doing that | 15:22 | |
matrohon | yep | 15:22 |
tmorin | --> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307871/ | 15:23 |
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matrohon | tmorin, thanks | 15:23 |
matrohon | the gate job has been merged too : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307150/ | 15:24 |
tmorin | good! | 15:24 |
matrohon | so now the only missing parts are the notes ! | 15:24 |
matrohon | :) | 15:24 |
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matrohon | the idea is to add them along with patches that need it | 15:25 |
matrohon | but we will add them for liberty and mitake in dedicated patches | 15:26 |
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matrohon | tmorin, tell me when you'll be back, I don't want to discuss with myself :) | 15:26 |
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matrohon | tmorin : back? | 15:47 |
matrohon | ok let's move on, only 13 min left | 15:47 |
matrohon | #topic : mitaka release | 15:47 |
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matrohon | we need two patches to be able to release | 15:48 |
matrohon | first : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296289/ | 15:48 |
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matrohon | the code looks fine now, we will merge it without UTs | 15:48 |
matrohon | and backport UTs when possible | 15:49 |
matrohon | second : the release note patch taht we talked about earlier | 15:49 |
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matrohon | we'd like to ask for a release before the end of the week, some experimental jobs starts to fails with neutron/master | 15:50 |
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matrohon | #topic newton summit | 15:51 |
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matrohon | we are going to have a round table on friday (at least I have to ask for it :) | 15:51 |
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matrohon | but we can have f2f meeting earlier in the week | 15:51 |
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tmorin | I'm back | 15:53 |
tmorin | these were long minutes :-( | 15:53 |
matrohon | at least, during the friday's round table, we should have a good idea of what we are going to work on for newton, and we should be able to prioritize those items | 15:53 |
tmorin | yes, it will be good to have a f2f earlier in the week | 15:53 |
tmorin | yes | 15:53 |
tmorin | doodle to find a slot suitable for most people | 15:53 |
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tmorin | who will be there by the way: matrohon, myself, enikher, pcarver_ (?) | 15:54 |
tmorin | timirnich: will jan be there as well ? | 15:55 |
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tmorin | ok, let's broadcast a doodle to see who will be there, with a few tentative slots | 15:57 |
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matrohon | tmorin, fine | 15:58 |
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matrohon | ok let's close this meeting | 15:59 |
matrohon | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 19 15:59:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-04-19-15.01.html | 15:59 |
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hongbin | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 19 16:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:00 |
hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-04-19_1600_UTC Today's agenda | 16:00 |
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hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
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adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:00 |
muralia | murali allada | 16:00 |
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Kennan_ | Kennan | 16:00 |
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strigazi | \o Spyros Trigazis | 16:00 |
tango__ | Ton Ngo | 16:00 |
juggler | o/ Perry Rivera | 16:00 |
dane_leblanc | o/ | 16:00 |
eghobo | o/ | 16:01 |
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hongbin | Thanks for joining the meeting adrian_otto muralia Kennan_ strigazi tango__ juggler dane_leblanc eghobo | 16:01 |
hongbin | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
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hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300828/ The release module of python-magnumclient and magnum-ui was changed to cycle-with-intermediary | 16:02 |
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hongbin | Basically, that means we committed to deliver a final release at the end of the cycle | 16:02 |
hongbin | This will match better with the release schedule of the rest of the community | 16:02 |
hongbin | Any comment for that? | 16:03 |
adrian_otto | it also allows us to tag intermediate releases as well | 16:03 |
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hongbin | yes | 16:03 |
hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 16:03 |
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hongbin | 1. hongbin sent a ML to collect opinions from general OpenStack community (including Keystone team) for option #1 | 16:03 |
hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/092155.html | 16:03 |
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hongbin | There are many responses in the ML | 16:04 |
hongbin | We will discuss it later in the meeting | 16:04 |
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hongbin | 2. hongbin created another BP for adding Chronos to mesos | 16:04 |
hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/introduce-chronos | 16:04 |
hongbin | Any question for these action items? | 16:05 |
hongbin | #topic Plan for design summit topics | 16:05 |
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hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-newton-design-summit-topics Etherpad collaborating topics for Magnum Newton design summit | 16:05 |
hongbin | The schedule and room of the design summit was basically finallized | 16:06 |
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hongbin | Please check the etherpad for details | 16:06 |
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hongbin | At this stage, it is too late to adjust the schedule, unless the majority is not satisfied | 16:06 |
hongbin | Any comment for the design summit? | 16:07 |
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hongbin | (Pause for a second) | 16:07 |
muralia | i see that the openstack app has been updated with all magnum sessions too. thats a good way to keep track of them | 16:07 |
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strigazi | Is anyone of us going to the Documentation session? | 16:07 |
strigazi | They will probably discuss the install guide doc-spec | 16:08 |
hongbin | strigazi: I am not sure if I am able to make it (haven't checked the time yet) | 16:08 |
strigazi | Do we have a proposal as a team? | 16:08 |
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hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301284/ | 16:09 |
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hongbin | FYI, the docs team plan to push out documentation of the big-tent projects out of tree | 16:09 |
hongbin | If that happens, Magnum installation guide will not be part of the openstack manual | 16:10 |
strigazi | Wed 11:50am-12:30pm | 16:10 |
hongbin | strigazi: thanks | 16:10 |
hongbin | The docs team will disucss the proposal in the session | 16:10 |
hongbin | If you have opinions on the proposal, I would suggest you to go to their session | 16:11 |
hongbin | OK. Let's advance topics | 16:11 |
hongbin | #topic Essential Blueprints Review | 16:11 |
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hongbin | SKIP until we identify a list of essential blueprints for Newton | 16:11 |
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hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/newton List of blueprints for Newton so far | 16:11 |
hongbin | #topic Other blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas | 16:12 |
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hongbin | 1. Barbican alternative store | 16:12 |
hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/barbican-alternative-store | 16:12 |
hongbin | As mentioned in the AI reviews, I sent a ML to collect ideas | 16:12 |
hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/092155.html | 16:12 |
hongbin | The discussion is about if Keystone team allows us to use the /credential endpoint for storing TLS credentials | 16:13 |
hongbin | Obviously, they didn't say yes or no | 16:13 |
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hongbin | Most of the replies are for selling Barbican | 16:14 |
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hongbin | If they don't disagree, I am OK to include it as an option | 16:14 |
hongbin | Basically, there are three proposed options | 16:15 |
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hongbin | 1. Store TLS credentials in Keystone | 16:15 |
hongbin | 2. Store TLS credentials in Magnum DB | 16:15 |
hongbin | 3. Switch to an non-TLS authentication system | 16:15 |
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adrian_otto | I have a question about the #2 implementation | 16:16 |
hongbin | adrian_otto: ? | 16:16 |
adrian_otto | do we need to expose the "fetch TLS credentials" method through the API do it can be accessed from a bay node? | 16:16 |
adrian_otto | or does only the conductor need access to it? | 16:17 |
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hongbin | adrian_otto: I think both conductor and bay nodes need to access it (need to confirm though) | 16:18 |
hongbin | Comments? | 16:18 |
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adrian_otto | in that case, my preference is #2, #1, #3 | 16:19 |
tango__ | it seems kubelet needs the credential to talk to kube-apiserver | 16:19 |
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tango__ | (from the bay nodes) | 16:19 |
hongbin | adrian_otto: To confirm, you seems to prefer #1 in the last meeting. Are you sure? | 16:20 |
Kennan_ | it seems to me that native client tools need to use related TLS config to access node services | 16:20 |
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adrian_otto | +1 | 16:20 |
hongbin | My preference is #3, but I am OK to have #1 or #2 as a short term approach | 16:21 |
adrian_otto | that's the one that the range of different COE's all have in common. | 16:21 |
adrian_otto | there should be a long term plan to deprecate this feature once Barbican becomes common in OpenStack clouds. | 16:21 |
hongbin | Could we make a decision right now, or leave it to design summit? | 16:22 |
adrian_otto | or do as Keystone has suggested and backend the feature on Barbican if it's available in the service catalog. | 16:22 |
adrian_otto | remember that the motivation behind the feature is to allow for lower friction adoption of Magnum in clouds that have not yet adopted Barbican. | 16:23 |
rochaporto | #2 (and later #3 if possible) would be great. and we're finishing the deployment of barbican and will later send feedback on the missing dots and issues we worked out | 16:23 |
hongbin | Could we all agree on #2? | 16:24 |
tango__ | Sounds reasonable | 16:24 |
muralia | +1, i like that | 16:24 |
hongbin | Any disagreement? | 16:24 |
redrobot | hongbin as long as barbican backend is still an option, yes #2 would be fine. | 16:24 |
Kennan_ | did #2 have HA support ? | 16:24 |
juggler | +1 for #2 | 16:24 |
hongbin | Kennan_: Yes, it should have | 16:25 |
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hongbin | redrobot: ack. thx | 16:25 |
Kennan_ | it seems ok if keystone could hanle that | 16:25 |
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hongbin | #AGREED: Magnum will store TLS credentials in DB as short term solution | 16:25 |
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hongbin | 2. Introduce Chronos framework for mesos bay (Jay Lau) | 16:26 |
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hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/091835.html Discussion in ML | 16:26 |
hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/introduce-chronos The blueprint | 16:26 |
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hongbin | For recap, we were debating two options in the last meeting | 16:26 |
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hongbin | 1. Add Chronos to mesos bay (directly) | 16:27 |
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hongbin | 2. Support configuration hook for users to add Chronos (or other mesos frameworks) | 16:27 |
tango__ | Is there a consensus that Marathon and Chronos are used together in the common case? | 16:28 |
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tango__ | That seems to be the argument for #1 | 16:28 |
hongbin | tango__: My feeling is that they are used togther, but I cannot cite a source | 16:28 |
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hongbin | eghobo: any comment from your side? | 16:29 |
Kennan_ | it seems depends on user cases | 16:29 |
tango__ | If that's the case, then we can start with #1 and treat Marathon + Chronos as the supported frameworks | 16:29 |
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tango__ | Then proceed to #2 to support other frameworks | 16:29 |
adrian_otto | wait, the #2 approach is a feature tha's useful beyond the scope of this | 16:29 |
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hongbin | adrian_otto: I agree | 16:30 |
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adrian_otto | so these shoudl not be considered mutually exclusive | 16:30 |
Kennan_ | I tend to agree +2 if implementation could cover that, as #2 include #1 use cases | 16:30 |
hongbin | A combination of #1 and #2? | 16:30 |
eghobo | hongbin: i don't have strong opinion, in our case we would like everything run at marathon (to minimize ops), dcos has the same aproach | 16:30 |
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adrian_otto | I recognize that running Chronos through Marathon offers benefits beyond running it directly as a framework in Mesos. | 16:31 |
hongbin | Kennan_: ack | 16:31 |
adrian_otto | so if we do offer it in the Mesos bay, it makes sense to set it up that way to begin with. | 16:31 |
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tango__ | It seems that #1 should be quick and easy to implement, if we want to bundle Marathon + Chronos as a useful use case | 16:32 |
Kennan_ | running Chronos on top of Marathon ? adrian_otto: | 16:32 |
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adrian_otto | Kennan_: yes, that's what I'm suggesting. | 16:32 |
Kennan_ | one question not clear to me, run two frameworks or run one on top of another ? | 16:32 |
Kennan_ | it seems not same for these two cases | 16:32 |
eghobo | adrian_otto: also most users (at least in our case) wants both Chronos and Marathon | 16:33 |
adrian_otto | the key advantage is that Marathon can be responsible for making sure there is always a Mesos scheduler active, and that you don't have more than one trying to act at the same time. | 16:33 |
adrian_otto | eghobo: I'm suggesting they are offered together. | 16:33 |
eghobo | adrian_otto: +1 | 16:33 |
hongbin | adrian_otto: you are suggesting a combination of #1 and #2? | 16:34 |
adrian_otto | but the logical arrangement is Bay -> Mesos -> Marathon -> Chronos rather than Bay -> Mesos -> Marathon + Chronos | 16:34 |
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adrian_otto | and that #2 can be considered a separate feature to allow adding more frameworks. | 16:34 |
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adrian_otto | for example, fi you wanted to run Hadoop next to Marathon | 16:35 |
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tango__ | #2 will take some more work to design, and we can refactor Marathon -> Chronos as the supported framework | 16:36 |
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tango__ | So maybe we can start with #1 and proceed to #2. They are not necessaritly mutually exclusive, as Adrian noted | 16:36 |
Kennan_ | adrian_otto: it seems run top of chronos is same as option #1(from code implemention point of view) | 16:37 |
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Kennan_ | typo run chronos on top of marathon | 16:38 |
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hongbin | Yes, I think run Chronos on top of Marathon is a good idea | 16:38 |
hongbin | But the key point is who are do the work | 16:38 |
hongbin | Magnum? User? | 16:38 |
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hongbin | For example, Magnum could add support for configuring Chronos on top of Marathon | 16:39 |
hongbin | Or, we can leave it to users (by using the configuration hook) | 16:39 |
hongbin | adrian_otto: Do you think Magnum should do the work or leave it to users? | 16:40 |
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hongbin | If we cannot decide, I can leave it to design summit | 16:40 |
hongbin | (We have another topic to discuss today) | 16:41 |
Kennan_ | #1 is short term solution, and #2 is long term way to go , I think | 16:41 |
tango__ | I think both can proceed in parallel | 16:41 |
adrian_otto | I think we should be careful not to bring more into scope for Magnum than we can manage gracefully. | 16:41 |
hongbin | OK, push it to design summit | 16:41 |
hongbin | 3. Magnum potential use cases for Glare to improve images management (Ton Ngo, Nikhil Komawar) | 16:42 |
nikhil | o/ | 16:42 |
hongbin | tango__: nikhil : please proceed | 16:42 |
nikhil | tango__: hi | 16:42 |
adrian_otto | so if (re) integrating Chronos upon each release becomes burdensome, we should discuss moving it to a post-configuration hook that the user accepts the burden of keeping up with. | 16:42 |
Kennan_ | is this link correct ? https://login.launchpad.net/+id/Fr4nmMm | 16:42 |
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nikhil | I was more curious about the cataloging requirements of magnum... | 16:43 |
Kennan_ | it seems user ID | 16:43 |
nikhil | Kennan_: no | 16:43 |
tango__ | This is a new development that we would like to bring to the attention of the team | 16:43 |
nikhil | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/9162?goback=1 | 16:43 |
tango__ | Basically, our image management is pretty ad hoc at this point | 16:43 |
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tango__ | We only register the distro as a property with the image in Glance | 16:43 |
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tango__ | there is no way to tract version, know what's in the image, etc | 16:44 |
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tango__ | There is a new effort to address some of these issues in Glance | 16:44 |
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tango__ | There is a session at the summit to collect use cases, and discuss the proposal | 16:44 |
tango__ | Nikhil is one of the person leading the effort, Glare | 16:45 |
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Kennan_ | tango__ one question, what's the glance image metadata difference from Glare ? | 16:45 |
nikhil | Thanks tango__ | 16:45 |
tango__ | So, we should give some thought on what we would like to have as our use cases, especially now that we are working on designing the bay driver | 16:45 |
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tango__ | Nikhil, would you like to answer Kennan's question? | 16:46 |
nikhil | sure.. | 16:46 |
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nikhil | firstly, it's the old-new effort rebranded from artifacts to GLARE (GLance Artifacts REpository) :) | 16:46 |
nikhil | Basically, today in glance we support images and the focus is on the simplistic design that was proposed back from bexar when nova was the sole consumer | 16:47 |
nikhil | then came glance v2 that focussed on the public/user and nova like services | 16:47 |
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nikhil | Nevertheless, there are some constraints that prevent storing generic openstack data assets and maintain them wisely | 16:48 |
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nikhil | so, to answer Kennan_'s question precisely (from that context) -- I'd say the metadata in Glare would be similar as in Glance | 16:48 |
nikhil | but with subtle different | 16:48 |
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nikhil | there is a generic API that provides skeleton of the meta for each artifact type -- here container-imgs | 16:49 |
nikhil | but you can add more specific structure to the meta based on the requirements and description | 16:49 |
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nikhil | a POC for that should be ready in the next couple days and hopefully we can explain this at the session | 16:50 |
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nikhil | I wanted to put this forward to gather more interest, requirements and constraints from magnum team! | 16:50 |
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hongbin | Here are the potential Magnum use cases I can think of | 16:50 |
* nikhil done. thanks everyone for listening. | 16:50 | |
hongbin | 1. store list of COEs | 16:50 |
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hongbin | 2. store the middleware pre-built into the image | 16:51 |
hongbin | 3. store the version of each middleware | 16:51 |
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hongbin | 4. store the distro of hte image | 16:51 |
hongbin | 5. Maybe indicate the flavor of hte image (Ironic? VM?) | 16:52 |
hongbin | That is what I can think of | 16:52 |
tango__ | Sounds good for the start. The session is on Wed afternoon, so there is no conflict with Magnum sessions. | 16:52 |
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hongbin | Thanks tango__ and nikhil | 16:52 |
Kennan_ | like to see some demo for Glare use cases, to make understand it more | 16:53 |
nikhil | surely | 16:53 |
hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 16:53 |
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nikhil | we are currently collab with app-catalog team and murano team | 16:53 |
nikhil | we meet every monday as well | 16:53 |
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nikhil | hopefully at one of these occurrences we can provide some demo like stuff | 16:54 |
nikhil | and there is a plan to release a video demo for this soon | 16:54 |
* nikhil done | 16:54 | |
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nikhil | Thanks hongbin and tango__! Hoping that we get a liaison(s)/repr(s) at the session from magnum team! | 16:54 |
rochaporto | will the not implemented mitaka blueprints move to newton? or only a few? also, would be nice to get the rally one approved for newton | 16:55 |
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hongbin | rochaporto: I have no problem to approve the rally one | 16:56 |
tango__ | The rally bp should be moved to the Rally project? | 16:56 |
rochaporto | hongbin: great, thanks :) | 16:56 |
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hongbin | rochaporto: For the mitaka blueprints, I think most of them will be pushed to Newton | 16:56 |
hongbin | #action hongbin revisit the unfinished mitaka blueprints | 16:57 |
strigazi | tango__: yes that is the proccess | 16:57 |
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tango__ | I am about to open a BP for Magnum in Rally, since we are submitting patches there | 16:57 |
tango__ | Then we can link our BP to the Rally BP | 16:58 |
hongbin | tango__: Sounds good to me | 16:59 |
Kennan_ | Good to know that tango__ | 16:59 |
vilobhmm11 | tango__ : +1 | 16:59 |
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rochaporto | great, looking forward to the summit | 17:00 |
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hongbin | OK. Let's wrap up | 17:00 |
hongbin | All, thanks for joining the meeting. Looking forward to seeing you all in Austin | 17:00 |
hongbin | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-04-19-16.00.html | 17:00 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #startmeeting murano | 17:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 19 17:01:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:01 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #topic rollcall | 17:01 |
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sergmelikyan | o/ | 17:01 |
kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:01 |
oshykhkerimov | o/ | 17:01 |
ddovbii_ | o/ | 17:01 |
vakovalchuk | o/ | 17:01 |
tlashchova | o/ | 17:01 |
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freerunner | \o/ | 17:01 |
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kzaitsev_mb | our agends is available at | 17:03 |
kzaitsev_mb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda | 17:03 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #topic Action Items Review | 17:03 |
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kzaitsev_mb | I'm a bit hasty today %) | 17:04 |
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Nikolai_mob | O/ | 17:04 |
kzaitsev_mb | brobably too much coffee ) | 17:04 |
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kzaitsev_mb | I had an AI to convert an etherpad for murano-contributors-rules into a commit to docs | 17:05 |
Nikolai_mob | kzaitsev: it can't be too much =] | 17:05 |
kzaitsev_mb | but all the preps ate my time =( | 17:05 |
kzaitsev_mb | so I'm going to move it to next one, | 17:06 |
ativelkov | o/ | 17:06 |
kzaitsev_mb | actually since I'm travelling — may I ask someone to do that? vakovalchuk, oshykhkerimov may I recruit any of you for this? | 17:06 |
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vakovalchuk | yes | 17:07 |
kzaitsev_mb | awesome | 17:07 |
oshykhkerimov | let's do it | 17:07 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #action vakovalchuk and oshykhkerimov convert https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-contributors-rules into a commit to docs | 17:08 |
kzaitsev_mb | thanks guys | 17:08 |
vakovalchuk | ok | 17:08 |
kzaitsev_mb | #topic Dashboard. Provide region when create environment | 17:09 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305747/ | 17:09 |
kzaitsev_mb | Stan put a -2 there | 17:09 |
kzaitsev_mb | Although I'm not 100% sure that he is right there | 17:10 |
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vakovalchuk | I didn't quite understand his point too | 17:10 |
kzaitsev_mb | tlashchova: do I understand correctly, that this patch adds the currently selected region as the default? | 17:10 |
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tlashchova | kzaitsev_mb, yes | 17:11 |
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kzaitsev_mb | StanLagun: I get it, that we need a separate UI for choosing a region, but isn't choosing the region user is in right now (in hotizon) a good enough workaround for now? | 17:11 |
StanLagun | kzaitsev_mb: we already have it | 17:12 |
StanLagun | you can deploy to current region without this commit | 17:12 |
kzaitsev_mb | with HomeRegion? | 17:12 |
vakovalchuk | but if we choose RegionTwo in horizon, we will still deploy to home region of a user | 17:13 |
StanLagun | if you don't specify region than it defaults to home_region which must be set anyway | 17:13 |
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kzaitsev_mb | StanLagun: that's the point of the commit — you can choose a region in horizon's drop-down | 17:13 |
StanLagun | we already has thus functionality working. You don't need this commit to make it work - it already does | 17:14 |
kzaitsev_mb | it doesn't. if you have home_region set — you can't deploy into a different region from horizon | 17:14 |
StanLagun | let me explain | 17:15 |
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StanLagun | home_region is a setting in murano.conf telling which region it belongs to | 17:15 |
StanLagun | when you switch regions in horizon you start talking to Murano API in that region which supposed to have home_region configured already | 17:16 |
StanLagun | And if you don't provide "region" property explicitly it will be the current region | 17:16 |
StanLagun | So you will be deploying to the chosen region | 17:16 |
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kzaitsev_mb | unless you have a home_region set | 17:16 |
StanLagun | Thus this commit brings no extra value | 17:16 |
StanLagun | not unless | 17:17 |
StanLagun | you always have it | 17:17 |
StanLagun | home_region must be set for each region independently | 17:17 |
StanLagun | it just telling engine where its API live | 17:17 |
kzaitsev_mb | well, I can think of at least 1 situation — a single murano in RegionOne, configured to talk to both RegionOne and RegionTwo services | 17:18 |
StanLagun | so in each region home_region must be set to the name of *that* region | 17:18 |
kzaitsev_mb | with no murano-api in RegionTwo | 17:18 |
StanLagun | that will not work with this commit | 17:19 |
StanLagun | because once you switch that dropbox in Horizon you will be talking to murano-api in RegionTwo | 17:19 |
StanLagun | there's no way to override it | 17:19 |
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kzaitsev_mb | *if* you don't override murano-api in horizon's setting | 17:20 |
StanLagun | unless you register the same endpoint for 2 regions in keystone | 17:20 |
kzaitsev_mb | or that | 17:20 |
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kzaitsev_mb | I see the point, that for the most time only developers would benefit from this change | 17:21 |
kzaitsev_mb | ok, I think I can agree on leaving it as is. | 17:22 |
StanLagun | My main point was that region property was intent not to duplicate Horizon drop box and we can make it right right from the start | 17:22 |
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Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: StanLagun looks like we need additional test for it | 17:24 |
kzaitsev_mb | We won't backport it to stable/mitaka I believe. And I really hope we will settle on some UI for that during N cycle | 17:25 |
StanLagun | Though you convinced me to change my -2 to -1 | 17:25 |
Nikolay_St | and at least we need a commit which will include home_region property to murano dashboard | 17:25 |
Nikolay_St | to murano config | 17:25 |
sergmelikyan | And really cleary explanation of how this works :) | 17:26 |
sergmelikyan | I have a feeling that existing documentation is not enough :) | 17:26 |
StanLagun | we have both | 17:26 |
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kzaitsev_mb | I still think that there should be a UI solution for it, so that the user would be explicitly aware, that the env is going to be deployed into some region | 17:29 |
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kzaitsev_mb | So I suggest that we abandon this approach and work on a better UI during N | 17:30 |
StanLagun | kzaitsev_mb user select region in Horizon dropbox and sees only environments belonging to that region. Why would he require something else if he wants to deploy to that region? | 17:30 |
kzaitsev_mb | StanLagun: To allow explicitly setting region, even if you have home_region/murano-api set | 17:31 |
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StanLagun | user is not aware of murano.conf settings | 17:31 |
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kzaitsev_mb | exactly | 17:31 |
StanLagun | he expects that env will be deployed to the only region he selected | 17:31 |
kzaitsev_mb | why do you think so? =) | 17:31 |
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StanLagun | because if there's only a single point where you select region you usually expect that it's region for everything | 17:32 |
kzaitsev_mb | why not allow user choose the region and set default to the currently selected one? | 17:32 |
StanLagun | and that's what happens if you don't set yourself some weird setup | 17:33 |
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StanLagun | kzaitsev_mb we should allow it | 17:33 |
StanLagun | I think we agree here | 17:33 |
StanLagun | We just need to have properly working UI for it | 17:34 |
kzaitsev_mb | yep =) | 17:34 |
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kzaitsev_mb | So once again — I suggest to abandon this kind of approach and work on better UI for creation during N =) | 17:35 |
StanLagun | +1 | 17:35 |
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kzaitsev_mb | since there are no objections — I'm going to say 'agreed' here | 17:37 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #agreed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305747/ and work on better UI for regions during N | 17:37 |
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kzaitsev_mb | ok no more agenda for today | 17:37 |
kzaitsev_mb | #topic Open Discussion | 17:38 |
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kzaitsev_mb | I have a couple points here: 1st I'll cancel next meeting, since summit =) | 17:39 |
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oshykhkerimov | sounds reasonable (: | 17:40 |
sergmelikyan | + | 17:40 |
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kzaitsev_mb | 2d — I'l probably cancel the meeting after next one, since there're going to be a holidays for european part of our team, I believe | 17:42 |
kzaitsev_mb | gotta check that more carefully | 17:42 |
kzaitsev_mb | in any case I'm going to write emails for that to ML soon enough =) | 17:43 |
sergmelikyan | Thank you | 17:43 |
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sergmelikyan | also after summit many folks take vacations | 17:44 |
kzaitsev_mb | exactly | 17:45 |
kzaitsev_mb | I also wanted to add one thing to for the record | 17:45 |
kzaitsev_mb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-newton-priorities | 17:45 |
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kzaitsev_mb | I'm going to use this etherpad as a sync point for our priorities during N-cycle | 17:46 |
kzaitsev_mb | it's half-baked at this point, but we would work through it during following weeks. | 17:46 |
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kzaitsev_mb | ok nothing more from my side =) | 17:47 |
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kzaitsev_mb | I suggest we save ourselves 10mins of our lives and end a bit early today ;) | 17:51 |
kzaitsev_mb | as usual see you around in #murano | 17:52 |
kzaitsev_mb | #endmeeting | 17:52 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 19 17:52:20 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:52 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-04-19-17.01.html | 17:52 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-04-19-17.01.txt | 17:52 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-04-19-17.01.log.html | 17:52 |
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