Tuesday, 2016-04-19

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kei#startmeeting product_working_group02:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 19 02:00:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is kei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.02:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.02:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group'02:00
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keiHi everyone.02:00
shamailHi kei02:00
fredlihi02:00
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keiThis is the second PWG regional meeting.  I'm the chair as hughhalf (Hugh Blemings) cannot make it today.02:00
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leongo/02:01
leonghi02:01
keiWho's here for the Product WG Regional Meeting?02:01
shamailhi leong02:01
shamailHere, good morning.02:01
leonghi shamail, kei02:01
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hidekazuhi02:01
keiHi shamail, fredli, leong02:02
keiHi hidekazu02:02
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hidekazuhi kei02:02
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fredlihi kei02:02
leonghi all :-)02:02
keiYou can find the agenda for today here:02:02
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kei#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team#April_19th.2C_2016_.28UTC.29_Product_Team_Regional_Meeting_Agenda02:02
keiI'd like to do Action Item Review first.02:03
leongok02:03
kei#topic Action Item Review02:04
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leongi believe i have sent out the irc cheatsheet before :-)02:04
leonghere's the link again02:04
leong#link IRC Cheat-sheet https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m--DFSwTPqKmxGNxP7ThDYuNr017wI_bUQOtqyaeyG0/edit02:04
keileong: Ah, thanks.  Have I already missed something?02:05
leongkei.. you are good :)02:05
keileong: :)02:05
keiFrom the last meeting, there were two action items.  I'll go through them really quickly.02:05
keiThe first one is "All to read the Product WG User Story Workflow https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories#User_Story_Workflow".02:06
keiHope everyone has done it.  If you haven't, please do so.02:06
fredliyes, I have read it.02:07
shamailAny questions on the workflow?02:07
keifredli: good.02:07
keiany questions?02:07
hidekazuI checked.02:08
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fredliI have one question: how will this flow ensure the projects PTL/Core to accept the requirements from the user stories?02:08
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leongthat's the tricky part..02:09
keishamail: Are you looking at me?  Because I'm looking at you :)02:09
leongnote that the User Story doesn't "mandate" the PTL/core to "accept" the requirements... we still need to get resource to work on the spec and collaborate with the PTL/Core02:10
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shamailfredli: There is no mechanism to ensure it gets accepted but we are hopeful that by following the worflow, we will get people from the technical community to review and comment on the requirement.  The workflow is there to help us make the transition as smooth as possible but nothing is guaranteed.  We are hopeful that people helping us implement the user story at the project level are already a part of the project team02:10
shamail(and that should help too)02:10
shamaillol kei :)02:10
fredliOK02:11
shamailThe goal of the workflow is to broadly advertise the requirement and get as much collaborative action as possible.  Both of these should hopefully help us when it comes time for the project to review the spec/blueprint02:11
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leongalso if i remember correctly, in order for a User Story to progress into spec/impl, we need to get resource commitment from various company02:12
fredliwill TC(just a example) review our input and give priority advice to the projects?02:12
shamailThat is true leong, that is where the implementation team I was referring to would be formed02:13
shamailfredli: I am not certain about the TC but the cross project team will review it based on the workflow02:13
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shamailall cross project specs today require TC review too02:13
keiSo it's not really about ensurance, but it's more like uniting force of people who has the same interests or requirements.02:13
fredliok, thanks. You replied my questions.02:14
shamailThis portion of the workflow (e..g who will review it, how much can the user story be concept vs implementation detail) is all going to be discussed at the summit since we definitely have open questions here.  We will be raising this question to the TC and Board at the next Board meeting.02:14
shamailMore information on cross project: http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/cross-project.html02:15
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shamailkei: +102:15
keiAnd there would be some changes needed to the workflow because of Design Summit separation if I understand it correctly.02:15
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shamailWorkflow *might* change but we will have more information by the PWG working session on Friday02:16
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shamailAnything to add leong?02:16
keishamail: OK.  Thank you.02:17
leongi'm good :)02:17
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fredlithanks again, shaman ,key ,leong02:17
keiIf there's no other questions, I'll move to the next action item.02:17
fredlikei, sorry02:17
keifredli: no problem :)02:18
keiThe next one is "kei and hughhalf to plan for next meeting".  I've done this.02:18
keiOK.  Let's move to the next topic.02:18
kei#topic Summary of Last Two PWG Meetings02:18
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shintarohi02:18
keishintaro: hi02:19
keiI'll try to summarise the last two PWG meetings.  We had them on 11th and 18th UTC.02:19
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keiFirst off, you can find meetings PWG members may want to join here:02:20
kei#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Austin_Working_Session_Planning02:20
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keiI'm not sure if everyone has already taken a look at it.  Does anyone have any questions about the planning?02:21
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keiMy only question is the pages says Cross-Projec Session starts from 4:20pm, but the following link says 4:40pm.02:22
keihttps://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/947802:22
keiI just noticed that.02:22
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leongwe should follow the event schedule02:23
keileong: OK.  I'll talk to Carol and fix it in the planning page.02:24
shamailyes, the event schedule is the best source02:24
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shamailThis is the second session though Kei02:24
shamailI think it is accurate…02:24
shamailhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Newton/Etherpads#Cross-Project_workshops02:24
shamailSeems like they changed the order between summit split and purpose of cross project specs02:25
shamailI would assign an action item here kei (#action) and an owner to follow up on final times02:26
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keishamail: Yes.  It looks like it.02:26
kei#action kei to follow up on final times02:27
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keithanks, shamail.02:27
keiThe latest status for TOP 5 user stories is like this:02:27
keiRolling Upgrade: Cross Project Spec Created, under review02:28
kei#link https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories/blob/master/user-stories/proposed/rolling-upgrades.rst02:28
keiHA VM: Proposed with one +202:28
kei#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289469/02:28
keiBare metal: Proposed with no +2 yet02:28
kei#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289627/02:28
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keiCapacity Management: Merged, no Cross Project Spec created yet02:29
kei#link https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories/blob/master/user-stories/proposed/capacity_management.rst02:29
keiFleet Management: Proposed with no +2 yet02:29
kei#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299531/02:29
keiI believe the ones in Proposed status need more reviews.02:29
shamailFor capacity management, we are looking for volunteers to share how they leverage quotas/capacity management today.  More information in this message: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/product-wg/2016-April/001081.html02:30
leongwe need core reviews for the above user stories02:30
shamailPlease let us know if anyone would be interested in helping.02:30
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hidekazuI will respond to review.02:31
shamailI will go ahead and review 299531 and 289627 later this week.  I have alread reviewed 28946902:31
keileong: I haven't responded to your comments on bare metal spec.  Sorry, I'll do that.02:31
leongno prob kei02:32
leongwe need more review on the baremetal..02:33
leongi have contact a few ironic core to review the story02:33
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keileong: thanks for doing that.02:34
keiSpeaking of review, some more reviews are asked for slide decks or agenda for Summit.02:35
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keiJoint TC/Board Slide:02:35
kei#link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1zD3sc90WtcdCIwOsCPIrY1fsEvmk1wHmUTFmRE8mChc/edit#slide=id.p302:35
keiContent for Cross-Project Design Session:02:35
kei#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Newton/Etherpads#Cross-Project_workshops02:36
keiAgenda review for Product WG working session:02:36
kei#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Austin_Working_Session_Planning02:36
keiBOF session:02:36
kei#link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1sv6ipcZ97mVBMRM70pLWK6c8mowXCQ8ntCSzTEkB4oc/edit#slide=id.p302:36
keiCommunity Roadmap:02:36
kei#link https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_yCSDGnhIbzTDZTN1lwT3A1M1E/view?pref=2&pli=102:36
keiCommunity Roadmap Session Content:02:37
kei#link https://drive.google.com/open?id=1OVDC9-u4fVM_XcfskMiVVutfsUHQO_gyML12u7_Ljis02:37
keiThemes update session review:02:37
kei#link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jAtkJVMYua7v9t0gaHJbwFMIvg-AuRLiDPzyX5f3YRg/edit#slide=id.g129bd00c3d_3_902:37
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keiHope I've covered everything and the combination of the title and link is correct.02:37
leongI would encourage all to try your best to join the Product WG working session if you are in Austin02:37
fredlisure, I will attend.02:38
keileong: That's the Friday one, right?02:38
fredliwish to meet you there02:38
leongyup02:38
leongFriday02:38
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kei#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/835802:39
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keiI'll be there.02:39
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keishamail: leong: Are there anything else we should cover in terms of summarizing the last two PWG meetings?02:40
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shamailI think the recap is good.  We will be covering the community generated roadmap content at the roadmap sub-team meeting tomorrow02:41
leonganyone interested to find out more can checkout the meeting summary here:02:42
shamailIt is at 4/19 1800 UTC so it might be too late for most people here but everyone is welcome to join if you want to help review/give feedback on the content02:42
keishamail: That's right.  Thanks for bringing it up.02:42
leong#link 4/18 Main Meeting Summary: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-04-18-21.03.html02:42
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fredlithanks kei02:42
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keiIf there's no more questions / comments, I'll do meeting plans and then go to open topics.02:44
kei#topic Upcoming Meeting Plan02:45
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keiWhy don't we cancel 5/2 UTC as the main meeting just canceled 4/25 and 5/2?02:45
keiAnd let's resume on 5/9 UTC.02:45
leongsound good kei02:46
leong5/9 +102:46
shamailkei: +102:46
hidekazu+102:46
keithanks02:47
kei#agreed Regional meeting to cancel 5/2 and resume on 5/9 UTC02:47
leongshould be 5/10 Tuesday 0200 UTC02:47
keiI did it again...02:47
leonghaha02:47
kei#agreed Regional meeting to cancel 5/2 and resume on 5/10 UTC02:47
kei#topic Opens02:48
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keiAny questions / comments / thoughts ?02:49
shintaroThere were an announcement in openstack-ops ML that telco-wg will be suspending its activity and moving to ProductWG for further discussion. Were there any discussion on that topic in PWG?02:49
shintaro#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-April/010169.html02:49
shamailNo shintaro, but we were aware that was going to happen.  We are starting to collaborate with OPNFV more to ensure there is still a place to discuss topics of interest to the telco/NFV market.02:49
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shamailSteve and Callum were already participating in PWG, so nothing changed excep the suspension of the telco WG meeting02:50
shamailmeetings*02:50
shintaroshamil: ok thaks I will follow the PWG ML on this02:50
shamailsounds great02:50
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keiThere's an event "PWG" on 25th in my calendar, but there's no PWG related session, right?  Maybe, I just put it in the wrong spot.02:54
leongdon't think we have any PWG event on 25th Mon02:55
keileong: Thanks!02:55
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keiSeems that there's no more topics to discuss.  OK.  Nice chat with you all!02:56
shamailSounds good, see you next week02:56
hidekazuthanks.02:56
shintarothank you02:57
keiLooking forward to meeting you in F2F.02:57
leongsee u in Austin02:57
keileong: right!02:57
kei#endmeeting02:58
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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: We have recovered one of our cloud providers, but there is a huge backlog of jobs to process. Please have patience until your jobs are processed13:40
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shardy#startmeeting #tripleo14:02
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 19 14:02:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is shardy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:02
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: #tripleo)"14:02
openstackThe meeting name has been set to '_tripleo'14:02
EmilienMo/14:02
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shardy#topic rollcall14:02
*** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: #tripleo)"14:02
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shadowerhey14:02
shardythanks for the reminder EmilienM ;)14:02
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EmilienMshardy: calendar as a service !14:03
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shardy#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TripleO14:03
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dprincehello14:03
shardy#topic agenda14:04
shardy* one off agenda items14:04
shardy* bugs14:04
shardy* Projects releases or stable backports14:04
shardy* CI14:04
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shardy* Specs14:04
shardy* open discussion14:04
shardyAnyone have any additional one-off items other than the one dprince added?14:04
michchap_I have a Q about hiera.yaml composition14:04
michchap_if we have time14:04
shardymichchap_: kk, can we do that in open discussion?14:05
michchap_shardy: sure14:05
shardyOk, thanks14:05
shardy#topic one off agenda items14:05
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shardy* CI status report broke. Potential fix here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307532/14:05
shardydprince: this is due to the firewalling right?14:05
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EmilienMyes ^14:05
dprinceshardy: yes14:05
dprinceshardy: ccamacho and I are working on a patch to generate a new report14:06
trowncool14:06
dprincederekh: on that note, do we want to keep the old tripleo-jobs.py as-is?14:06
* bnemec subscribes14:06
shardySounds good, would be nice to get cistatus working again14:06
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dprincederekh: in case the firewall opens up?14:06
ccamachoo/14:06
trownya I think jenkins restriction is temporary14:06
dprincederekh: like maybe our patch should be a tripleo-jobs-gerrit.py or something14:07
trownthough probably a few weeks14:07
derekhdprince: we could revert it again, or keep it, either is fine with me14:07
dprincetrown: there is possibility... in the longterm that infra could move away from Jenkins I think and just use a zuul worker directly14:07
dprincetrown: whereas... I don't think gerrit is going away long term14:08
trownand even after it is unfirewalled, we will still likely need to patch tripleo-jobs.py to account for CSRF protections14:08
dprincederekh: I may keep them both side,by side14:08
trowndprince: ya, the only problem with gerrit is no ability to check periodic14:08
dprincetrown: yep, we lose that14:08
trownI am pro side-by-side approach14:08
derekhdprince: the gerrit version wont get us the periodic jobs, best I can come up with its traversing the log server http://paste.openstack.org/show/494640/14:09
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derekhtrown: best solution I can come up with for periodic jobs ^ its a WIP14:09
dprincederekh: lets do it man.14:09
dprinceare we starting an unoffical "screenscrapers" team here guys?14:10
trown:)14:10
derekhdprince: can't think of an alternative ;-(14:10
shardyhehe - well it sounds like we've got a workable interim plan then14:10
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shardyshall we move on, and hopefully find out more about the duration of the firewalling etc next week?14:11
dprinceshardy: yep, we are done I think14:11
shardy#topic bugs14:11
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shardy#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo14:11
shardySo https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1571708 is one I was looking at with EmilienM and chem yesterday14:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1571708 in tripleo "undercloud user role assignments deleted by undercloud install" [Undecided,New]14:12
shardyit's an issue where we delete the _member_ role assignments when upgrading from quite old environments14:12
shardyhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/307352/ is a proposed fix, which is a little ugly but hopefully workable14:12
shardyfeedback welcome14:13
shardyany other bugs to highlight this week?14:13
EmilienMshardy: I like your approach14:13
slagleshardy: do you confirm that's a problem using all upstream bits?14:13
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shardyslagle: It's a problem if you installed your undercloud then kept updating it for sufficiently long14:14
shardythe change was keystone used to create _member_ as part of the bootstrap of the DB14:14
slaglethere were some patches carried downstream that were reworked before they ever landed upstream, related to recreating users at the end of the install14:14
slagleok14:14
slaglejust wanted to make sure the right root cause was identified14:14
shardyslagle: sanity check welcome, I was under the impression the role assignments would have been created by keystone along with the _member_ role, but we can rework if that's not the case14:15
slagleshardy: i'd need to go back and refresh my memory14:16
shardykk, any feedback welcome14:16
slaglebut based on your simple reproducer in the bug, it's probably not related to what i was thinking of14:16
shardyWell the reproducer actually isn't fixed by my patch - if an operator adds a role to any of the pre-created users, puppet will erase the role assignments every undercloud install14:17
shardybut it demonstrates the same issue14:17
shardyWas https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1571384 fixed by the revised package build?14:18
openstackLaunchpad bug 1571384 in tripleo "CI periodic jobs: undercloud keystone fails to start" [Undecided,New]14:18
dprinceshardy: I think so14:18
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dprinceshardy: 3-4 packaging fixes later and we are good :)14:18
trownlol14:18
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trownya that was a mess14:18
shardydprince: Ok, sounds like we can close that one off then :)14:18
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shardy#topic Projects releases or stable backports14:20
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shardySo I think stable CI was broken which should be fixed when we land https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306524/14:21
shardyThe other thing I wanted to raise (which we can discuss in more detail next week) was the release schedule we plan to observe for Newton14:22
shardyuntil now, TripleO has kind of done it's own thing under the "independent" release model14:22
derekhYup the liberty job is accidentally using the cached instack master image ... sorry .. this patch fixes it (in addition to moving some stuff into a function) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306524/14:22
shardybut IMO it would be a good thing if we aligned more closely with the coordinated release14:22
shardygiven that we're maintaining branches etc now14:22
trown+114:23
shardy#link https://github.com/openstack/releases/blob/master/doc/source/newton/schedule.rst14:23
shardyThere are basically two possible approaches14:23
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shardywe either align with the main Newton release, with some number of intermediate milestones14:23
shardyOr we adopt the new "trailing" release which allows a 2 week window after the main release14:24
EmilienMI think tripleo is a good candidate for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306037/14:24
EmilienM+1 for trailing release14:24
trownI think trailing makes sense if we have an actual hard date still14:24
trownEmilienM: is puppet also on that?14:24
EmilienMfwiw, that's what puppet openstack + fuel + kolla + ansible are going to follow14:24
bnemecI mean, deployment systems are explicitly called out as the intended use case.14:25
beagles+1 for trailing release14:25
EmilienMtrown: yes, probably14:25
trownI think we are pretty tied to what puppet does14:25
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marioso/ sorry am late14:25
shardyYeah, and also there's a natural lag in that we are dependent on RDO branches existing for a release etc14:25
EmilienMtrown: we'll do our best to release at the official date though14:25
EmilienMtrown: like we did for Mitaka, we released 1 week earlier14:25
rhalliseyhi (missed role call)14:25
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shardyEmilienM: Ok, if puppet is going with that tag, I think we'll have to do likewise14:26
slagle+114:26
shardybut I like the idea of aiming for sooner-than-two-weeks14:26
EmilienMright14:26
EmilienMfor sure we (puppet) won't wait 2 weeks14:26
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shardyOk then, it sounds like we have consesus but I'll follow up on the ML and folks can vote or raise concerns there14:27
trownya, "no later than 2 weeks" is good14:27
EmilienMshardy: ++14:27
shardyAnything else re releases to raise?14:27
trownnote, that the trailing release model still involves milestones14:27
EmilienMthat are not required afik14:27
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trownit is in the requirements on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306037/2/reference/tags/release_cycle-trailing.rst14:28
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trownthough not very specifically defined14:28
EmilienMtrown: yeah, I read it too, but iiuc when talking with doug it was not required14:28
trownk14:28
EmilienMmaybe we can ask dhellmann to confirm (later)14:28
shardytrown: Ya, I think it'll be good for us to consider some intermediate releases14:28
shardywe'll have to decide if we follow the milestone or intemediary model tho14:29
EmilienMshardy: yes, release more often would really help to iterate14:29
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shardyOk I'll try to summarise a plan on the ML and folks can reply there until we reach agreement14:30
shardy#topic CI14:30
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derekhOne of our RH1 compute nodes went offline today, it was the compute node that hosted our squid and geard, so all jobs failed14:30
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derekhits back running now, we should know soon if everything is ok, can't check jenkins anymore to see progress ;-(14:30
shardyAnyone like to give us a summry of the CI status, obviously been another fairly rough week14:30
derekhWe successfully moved the tripleo pin yesterday to a repo from friday, we are now caching the IPA image,14:30
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derekhthis patch should allow us to use it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301699/14:30
derekhand this patch will start us caching the overcloud image https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306499/ I'll work on a patch to use it once its cached14:31
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slagle#info we are testing stack-updates to the tripleo-heat-templates patch being tested in the upgrades job now14:31
shardyderekh: did the automated promotion etc all work when the periodic job passed?14:31
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shardyslagle: nice :)14:31
bnemecI wonder if that's why my undercloud upgrade job started failing yesterday...14:31
EmilienMslagle: w00t14:31
shardyI believe therve posted a fix to the ResourceChain update issue also, has that been proven?14:32
EmilienMdo we deploy newton already? (puppet CI is failing at that currently, I'm working on it)14:32
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derekhshardy: yes, its was an atomatic promotion, but it was a fake periodic job (didn't want to wait another 24 hrs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229789/)14:32
trownEmilienM: ya, but only with pingtest14:32
EmilienMtrown: it's very cool, I'll investigate all my tempests failures when our CI is back14:32
trownEmilienM: but I have had success manually testing tempest, with only ceilo notification and keystone v3 failures14:33
derekhI've been trying to make the toci_ scripts usable by more people to reproduce problems, would appreciate some eyes here to help out the cause https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306506/14:34
derekhalso14:34
derekhI've been asked when would be a good time for the new RAM to be installed on the tripleo hosts, my suggestion was Friday 29th, this would leave CI offline from friday until the following monday when we bring it back up again.14:34
derekhMost people will be traveling back from the summit so disruption shouldn't be too bad14:34
derekhhow does this sound to people?14:34
trown+114:35
shardyderekh: +114:35
EmilienM++14:35
derekhThis is assuming we have the RAM in time if course, if not we'll have to pick some other time, we could wait until the Rack moves to a new DC but thats the beginning of July14:35
shardygood to hear we've got a definite timeline on those upgrades :)14:35
shardyderekh: would be nice to not wait that long if possible14:35
derekhshardy: the PO is sent, so we should have it available once the supplier sends them too us14:35
shardyOne CI related thing, I did a bunch of memory profiling last week, resulting in https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1570983 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/157097414:36
openstackLaunchpad bug 1570983 in heat "raw_template files duplication wastes DB space and memory" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Crag Wolfe (cwolfe)14:36
openstackLaunchpad bug 1570974 in heat "Possible reference loops lead to high memory usage when idle" [Undecided,New]14:36
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shardytl;dr - there are some issues which we may be able to fix to improve the heat-engine memory usage somewhat14:36
shardyAnything else CI related?14:37
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rhalliseycontainer job was working for a bit, it is no longer14:37
shardyrhallisey: what was the cause, tripleo code or the images?14:37
mariosshardy: looks like 1570983 is addressed already, and if i understood correctly will make significant improvement in memory use14:37
rhalliseyeven if I fix it though, it still won't turn up from for the composable container stuff until I do all the roles14:38
rhalliseysince we run on atomic14:38
shardymarios: Yeah the patch isn't ready yet but it may make a big difference when done14:38
rhalliseyshardy, it was working for a while, but about week ago it stopped14:38
EmilienMshould we enable it as voting?^14:38
rhalliseyshardy, I think we should hold off on that CI job until composable container stuff is all set14:38
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rhalliseyEmilienM, it's not ready yet14:40
shardy#topic Specs14:40
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shardy#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open14:40
rhalliseythe compute node is going to undergo a lot of change, so gating on anything there won't really do much14:40
shardyThere's the lightweight HA one which could use feedback14:41
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shardyshould we leave other spec discussions until during/after summit?14:41
shardyor does anyone have anything to raise now?14:41
shadowercan we have people look at the validation one again?14:41
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shardyshadower: ah, yes sorry I meant to mention that one too14:42
shadowerit's prerequisite (the mistral api) has landed and I don't see any negative feedback14:42
shadower*its14:42
shadowerbut both mandre and myself will be at the summit so we can talk abuot it there, too14:42
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shadowerno worries shardy :-)14:42
mariosshadower: thanks for reminder i want to revisit. will this include things like 'is my pcs cluster ok?'14:42
shadowermarios: we're focusing on validating the predeployment stuff because it can shave a ton of deployment time. But we do have some postdeployment validations14:43
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shadowernot 100% sure they belong there -- with sensu being a thing and all14:43
mariosshadower: ack thx and sorry i see we bump discussion/take offline. just for sthing i was looking at today14:43
shadoweryeah, np14:44
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shadowerthat's a question i'd like to resolve soonish anyway14:44
mariosshadower: link to the spec would be good in minutes14:44
shadowerhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/255792/14:44
shadowersorry14:45
shardy#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25579214:45
shardy#topic Open Discussion14:45
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shardySo, one thing before we address michchap_'s question14:45
tzumainnhave the topics for summit been announced yet?14:45
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shardy#link http://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=TripleO14:45
slagle#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-tripleo-sessions14:45
shardytzumainn: hehe14:46
tzumainnshardy, lol, thanks!14:46
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shardyI'll create the etherpads per-topic and link them into the main page later today14:46
shardyThere are a few conflicts with Heat sessions in the afternoon unfortunately, but otherwise all seems to be in good shape14:46
shardylet me know if you see anything that needs adjustment14:47
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shardyI'll also chat to folks in #tripleo and we can nominate spread the load of leading sessions around a bit14:48
shardyany questions/comments re summit to add?14:48
shardyOk, michchap_ - your question?14:49
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michchap_I will be quick14:49
michchap_I was looking at extraconfig things for doing numa support as an optional component and noticed the hiera.yaml on compute nodes has a set of hardcoded files for each neutron plugin. I was thinking the composable services stuff might be a good time to look at making hiera.yaml itself composable, or perhaps merging things into existing yaml files.14:49
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michchap_I just wanted to raise that as a thing and ask if anyone had already looked at doing it14:50
shardymichchap_: Yeah, the history there is until recently heat didn't have any way to join two (or more) lists14:50
shardyI fixed that in mitaka, so we can probably make that list composable now14:50
shardyalthough how we handle the ordering could be interesting14:50
michchap_shardy: Ah, but we might be in a good spot to do it now.14:50
michchap_shardy: ordering is going to be difficult.14:51
shardymichchap_: Yeah, I think it should be do-able as part of the composable services work14:51
shardydprince: Have you looked into that yet at all?14:51
dprinceshardy: not specifically, but it sounds doable14:52
shardykk, thanks for mentioning it michchap_14:52
dprinceyep, good idea14:52
michchap_thanks for your time14:52
shardyI'll see if I can throw an initial patch up which illustrates how we might do it14:52
michchap_I might try to make a patch but heat isn't my strong suit.14:52
shardyand we can take it from there14:52
michchap_^ happy to review14:52
shardyAnyone have any other topics to raise before we wrap up?14:53
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shardyOk then, thanks all, see you in Austin!14:54
shardy#endmeeting14:54
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matrohon#startmeeting bgpvpn15:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 19 15:01:36 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is matrohon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn'15:01
matrohonhi all15:01
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matrohonhi timirnich, pcarver_ tmorin15:02
tmorinhi everyone15:02
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timirnichhi all15:03
timirnichenikher: are u on?15:03
matrohonlet's wait few minutes more15:03
matrohontimirnich, enikher is supposed to attend?15:03
timirnichtmorin, just checking - not necessarily15:04
timirnichmatrohon, sorry for the name confusion ;-)15:04
timirnichfolks I have to multiplex between here and the OPNFV release call - ping if delayed response15:04
matrohontimirnich, fine15:05
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matrohonihrachys, hi15:05
ihrachysmatrohon: hi. what's up.15:05
matrohon#topic release management with reno15:05
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matrohonihrachys, we want to use reno as our release note generation tool15:06
matrohonihrachys, I saw your comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307140/15:06
ihrachyssure. but in liberty, you don't have anything with those notes?15:06
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matrohonihrachys, actually I think we should add the material to have notes for liberty too15:07
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matrohonihrachys, and I followed what happened in other projects :15:07
ihrachysmatrohon: ok, and another question is why it's a liberty only patch.15:07
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matrohonihrachys, well, because this patch only introduces a note to say that we are starting to use reno in liberty15:08
ihrachysmatrohon: there was no such patch in mitaka?15:09
matrohonihrachys, then we are going to backport https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307150/15:09
matrohonihrachys, ^ the patch for mitaka15:09
matrohonand in a third step, we will add notes of what has been done in liberty, in stable liberty15:10
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ihrachysok, I don't really mind as long as you plan to extend it.15:11
ihrachysI will merge it.15:11
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matrohonihrachys, thanks, I dumbly follow the way reno has been introduce for neutron and others15:11
matrohonok let's sum up what we are talking about now :)15:12
matrohonas timirnich asked last meeting, we need to release the bgpvpn project along with release notes15:13
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matrohonreno is here to help us, and a lot of openstack project are using it now15:13
tmorintmorin: yes, it looks like useful, a clean way to manage release notes15:14
matrohonso I introduced the reno tool in bgpvpn here : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307046/15:14
tmorinmatrohon: good -- what is missing now ? only a bit of real content, right ?15:15
matrohonnow if we want to add release notes, we just have to use reno to generate a file that we add to networking-bgpvpn/releasenotes/15:15
matrohontmorin15:15
matrohontmorin yep15:15
matrohontmorin we need to produce releasenotes for liberty first15:16
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matrohonso that documentation will be uptodate on docs.openstack.com15:16
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matrohonthen add releasenotes files for mitaka15:17
tmorinwhere are the releasenotes exactly published ?15:17
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tmorinis the note added in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307140 enough to have something published ?15:17
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matrohonon the openstack web site for example http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/neutron/mitaka.html15:18
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matrohontmorin, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307140 is not enough, we need a gate job to publish on the web sites15:19
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matrohonwhich is the role of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307150/15:19
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matrohonand of course backporting https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307046/15:20
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matrohonmaybe the releaseteam needs to explictly trigger some tools, especially to publish our future liberty notes15:21
tmorinyes, yes, but in net-bgpvpn we already have what is needed for a bootstrap15:21
tmorinah yes,15:22
tmorinwe need to backport 307046 first15:22
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tmorinlet's do it now!15:22
* tmorin doing that15:22
matrohonyep15:22
tmorin--> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307871/15:23
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matrohontmorin, thanks15:23
matrohonthe gate job has been merged too : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307150/15:24
tmoringood!15:24
matrohonso now the only missing parts are the notes !15:24
matrohon:)15:24
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matrohonthe idea is to add them along with patches that need it15:25
matrohonbut we will add them for liberty and mitake in dedicated patches15:26
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matrohontmorin, tell me when you'll be back, I don't want to discuss with myself :)15:26
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matrohontmorin : back?15:47
matrohonok let's move on, only 13 min left15:47
matrohon#topic : mitaka release15:47
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matrohonwe need two patches to be able to release15:48
matrohonfirst : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296289/15:48
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matrohonthe code looks fine now, we will merge it without UTs15:48
matrohonand backport UTs when possible15:49
matrohonsecond : the release note patch taht we talked about earlier15:49
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matrohonwe'd like to ask for a release before the end of the week, some experimental jobs starts to fails with neutron/master15:50
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matrohon#topic newton summit15:51
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matrohonwe are going to have a round table on friday (at least I have to ask for it :)15:51
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matrohonbut we can have f2f meeting earlier in the week15:51
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tmorinI'm back15:53
tmorinthese were long minutes :-(15:53
matrohonat least, during the friday's round table, we should have a good idea of what we are going to work on for newton, and we should be able to prioritize those items15:53
tmorinyes, it will be good to have a f2f earlier in the week15:53
tmorinyes15:53
tmorindoodle to find a slot suitable for most people15:53
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tmorinwho will be there by the way: matrohon, myself, enikher, pcarver_ (?)15:54
tmorintimirnich: will jan be there as well ?15:55
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tmorinok, let's broadcast a doodle to see who will be there, with a few tentative slots15:57
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matrohontmorin, fine15:58
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matrohonok let's close this meeting15:59
matrohon#endmeeting15:59
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hongbin#startmeeting containers16:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 19 16:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'containers'16:00
hongbin#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-04-19_1600_UTC Today's agenda16:00
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hongbin#topic Roll Call16:00
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adrian_ottoAdrian Otto16:00
muraliamurali allada16:00
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Kennan_Kennan16:00
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strigazi\o Spyros Trigazis16:00
tango__Ton Ngo16:00
jugglero/ Perry Rivera16:00
dane_leblanco/16:00
eghoboo/16:01
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hongbinThanks for joining the meeting adrian_otto muralia Kennan_ strigazi tango__ juggler dane_leblanc eghobo16:01
hongbin#topic Announcements16:02
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hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300828/ The release module of python-magnumclient and magnum-ui was changed to cycle-with-intermediary16:02
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hongbinBasically, that means we committed to deliver a final release at the end of the cycle16:02
hongbinThis will match better with the release schedule of the rest of the community16:02
hongbinAny comment for that?16:03
adrian_ottoit also allows us to tag intermediate releases as well16:03
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hongbinyes16:03
hongbin#topic Review Action Items16:03
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hongbin1. hongbin sent a ML to collect opinions from general OpenStack community (including Keystone team) for option #116:03
hongbin#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/092155.html16:03
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hongbinThere are many responses in the ML16:04
hongbinWe will discuss it later in the meeting16:04
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hongbin2. hongbin created another BP for adding Chronos to mesos16:04
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/introduce-chronos16:04
hongbinAny question for these action items?16:05
hongbin#topic Plan for design summit topics16:05
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hongbin#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-newton-design-summit-topics Etherpad collaborating topics for Magnum Newton design summit16:05
hongbinThe schedule and room of the design summit was basically finallized16:06
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hongbinPlease check the etherpad for details16:06
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hongbinAt this stage, it is too late to adjust the schedule, unless the majority is not satisfied16:06
hongbinAny comment for the design summit?16:07
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hongbin(Pause for a second)16:07
muraliai see that the openstack app has been updated with all magnum sessions too. thats a good way to keep track of them16:07
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strigaziIs anyone of us going to the Documentation session?16:07
strigaziThey will probably discuss the install guide doc-spec16:08
hongbinstrigazi: I am not sure if I am able to make it (haven't checked the time yet)16:08
strigaziDo we have a proposal as a team?16:08
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hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301284/16:09
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hongbinFYI, the docs team plan to push out documentation of the big-tent projects out of tree16:09
hongbinIf that happens, Magnum installation guide will not be part of the openstack manual16:10
strigaziWed 11:50am-12:30pm16:10
hongbinstrigazi: thanks16:10
hongbinThe docs team will disucss the proposal in the session16:10
hongbinIf you have opinions on the proposal, I would suggest you to go to their session16:11
hongbinOK. Let's advance topics16:11
hongbin#topic Essential Blueprints Review16:11
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hongbinSKIP until we identify a list of essential blueprints for Newton16:11
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hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/newton List of blueprints for Newton so far16:11
hongbin#topic Other blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas16:12
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hongbin1. Barbican alternative store16:12
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/barbican-alternative-store16:12
hongbinAs mentioned in the AI reviews, I sent a ML to collect ideas16:12
hongbin#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/092155.html16:12
hongbinThe discussion is about if Keystone team allows us to use the /credential endpoint for storing TLS credentials16:13
hongbinObviously, they didn't say yes or no16:13
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hongbinMost of the replies are for selling Barbican16:14
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hongbinIf they don't disagree, I am OK to include it as an option16:14
hongbinBasically, there are three proposed options16:15
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hongbin1. Store TLS credentials in Keystone16:15
hongbin2. Store TLS credentials in Magnum DB16:15
hongbin3. Switch to an non-TLS authentication system16:15
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adrian_ottoI have a question about the #2 implementation16:16
hongbinadrian_otto: ?16:16
adrian_ottodo we need to expose the "fetch TLS credentials" method through the API do it can be accessed from a bay node?16:16
adrian_ottoor does only the conductor need access to it?16:17
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hongbinadrian_otto: I think both conductor and bay nodes need to access it (need to confirm though)16:18
hongbinComments?16:18
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adrian_ottoin that case, my preference is #2, #1, #316:19
tango__it seems kubelet needs the credential to talk to kube-apiserver16:19
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tango__(from the bay nodes)16:19
hongbinadrian_otto: To confirm, you seems to prefer #1 in the last meeting. Are you sure?16:20
Kennan_it seems to me that native client tools need to use related TLS config to access node services16:20
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adrian_otto+116:20
hongbinMy preference is #3, but I am OK to have #1 or #2 as a short term approach16:21
adrian_ottothat's the one that the range of different COE's all have in common.16:21
adrian_ottothere should be a long term plan to deprecate this feature once Barbican becomes common in OpenStack clouds.16:21
hongbinCould we make a decision right now, or leave it to design summit?16:22
adrian_ottoor do as Keystone has suggested and backend the feature on Barbican if it's available in the service catalog.16:22
adrian_ottoremember that the motivation behind the feature is to allow for lower friction adoption of Magnum in clouds that have not yet adopted Barbican.16:23
rochaporto#2 (and later #3 if possible) would be great. and we're finishing the deployment of barbican and will later send feedback on the missing dots and issues we worked out16:23
hongbinCould we all agree on #2?16:24
tango__Sounds reasonable16:24
muralia+1, i like that16:24
hongbinAny disagreement?16:24
redrobothongbin as long as barbican backend is still an option, yes #2 would be fine.16:24
Kennan_did #2 have HA support ?16:24
juggler+1 for #216:24
hongbinKennan_: Yes, it should have16:25
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hongbinredrobot: ack. thx16:25
Kennan_it seems ok if keystone could hanle that16:25
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hongbin#AGREED: Magnum will store TLS credentials in DB as short term solution16:25
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hongbin2. Introduce Chronos framework for mesos bay (Jay Lau)16:26
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hongbin#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/091835.html Discussion in ML16:26
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/introduce-chronos The blueprint16:26
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hongbinFor recap, we were debating two options in the last meeting16:26
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hongbin1. Add Chronos to mesos bay (directly)16:27
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hongbin2. Support configuration hook for users to add Chronos (or other mesos frameworks)16:27
tango__Is there a consensus that Marathon and Chronos are used together in the common case?16:28
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tango__That seems to be the argument for #116:28
hongbintango__: My feeling is that they are used togther, but I cannot cite a source16:28
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hongbineghobo: any comment from your side?16:29
Kennan_it seems depends on user cases16:29
tango__If that's the case, then we can start with #1 and treat Marathon + Chronos as the supported frameworks16:29
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tango__Then proceed to #2 to support other frameworks16:29
adrian_ottowait, the #2 approach is a feature tha's useful beyond the scope of this16:29
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hongbinadrian_otto: I agree16:30
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adrian_ottoso these shoudl not be considered mutually exclusive16:30
Kennan_I tend to agree +2 if implementation could cover that, as #2 include #1 use cases16:30
hongbinA combination of #1 and #2?16:30
eghobohongbin: i don't have strong opinion, in our case we would like everything run at marathon (to minimize ops), dcos has the same aproach16:30
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adrian_ottoI recognize that running Chronos through Marathon offers benefits beyond running it directly as a framework in Mesos.16:31
hongbinKennan_: ack16:31
adrian_ottoso if we do offer it in the Mesos bay, it makes sense to set it up that way to begin with.16:31
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tango__It seems that #1 should be quick and easy to implement, if we want to bundle Marathon + Chronos as a useful use case16:32
Kennan_running Chronos on top of Marathon ? adrian_otto:16:32
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adrian_ottoKennan_: yes, that's what I'm suggesting.16:32
Kennan_one question not clear to me, run two frameworks or run one on top of another ?16:32
Kennan_it seems not same for these two cases16:32
eghoboadrian_otto: also most users (at least in our case) wants both Chronos and Marathon16:33
adrian_ottothe key advantage is that Marathon can be responsible for making sure there is always a Mesos scheduler active, and that you don't have more than one trying to act at the same time.16:33
adrian_ottoeghobo: I'm suggesting they are offered together.16:33
eghoboadrian_otto: +116:33
hongbinadrian_otto: you are suggesting a combination of #1 and #2?16:34
adrian_ottobut the logical arrangement is Bay -> Mesos -> Marathon -> Chronos rather than Bay -> Mesos -> Marathon + Chronos16:34
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adrian_ottoand that #2 can be considered a separate feature to allow adding more frameworks.16:34
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adrian_ottofor example, fi you wanted to run Hadoop next to Marathon16:35
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tango__#2 will take some more work to design, and we can refactor Marathon -> Chronos as the supported framework16:36
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tango__So maybe we can start with #1 and proceed to #2.   They are not necessaritly mutually exclusive, as Adrian noted16:36
Kennan_adrian_otto: it seems run top of chronos is same as option #1(from code implemention point of view)16:37
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Kennan_typo run chronos on top of marathon16:38
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hongbinYes, I think run Chronos on top of Marathon is a good idea16:38
hongbinBut the key point is who are do the work16:38
hongbinMagnum? User?16:38
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hongbinFor example, Magnum could add support for configuring Chronos on top of Marathon16:39
hongbinOr, we can leave it to users (by using the configuration hook)16:39
hongbinadrian_otto: Do you think Magnum should do the work or leave it to users?16:40
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hongbinIf we cannot decide, I can leave it to design summit16:40
hongbin(We have another topic to discuss today)16:41
Kennan_#1 is short term solution, and #2 is long term way to go , I think16:41
tango__I think both can proceed in parallel16:41
adrian_ottoI think we should be careful not to bring more into scope for Magnum than we can manage gracefully.16:41
hongbinOK, push it to design summit16:41
hongbin3. Magnum potential use cases for Glare to improve images management (Ton Ngo, Nikhil Komawar)16:42
nikhilo/16:42
hongbintango__: nikhil : please proceed16:42
nikhiltango__: hi16:42
adrian_ottoso if (re) integrating Chronos upon each release becomes burdensome, we should discuss moving it to a post-configuration hook that the user accepts the burden of keeping up with.16:42
Kennan_is this link correct ? https://login.launchpad.net/+id/Fr4nmMm16:42
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nikhilI was more curious about the cataloging requirements of magnum...16:43
Kennan_it seems user ID16:43
nikhilKennan_: no16:43
tango__This is a new development that we would like to bring to the attention of the team16:43
nikhil#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/9162?goback=116:43
tango__Basically, our image management is pretty ad hoc at this point16:43
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tango__We only register the distro as a property with the image in Glance16:43
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tango__there is no way to tract version, know what's in the image, etc16:44
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tango__There is a new effort to address some of these issues in Glance16:44
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tango__There is a session at the summit to collect use cases, and discuss the proposal16:44
tango__Nikhil is one of the person leading the effort, Glare16:45
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Kennan_tango__ one question, what's the glance image metadata difference from Glare ?16:45
nikhilThanks tango__16:45
tango__So, we should give some thought on what we would like to have as our use cases, especially now that we are working on designing the bay driver16:45
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tango__Nikhil, would you like to answer Kennan's question?16:46
nikhilsure..16:46
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nikhilfirstly, it's the old-new effort rebranded from artifacts to GLARE (GLance Artifacts REpository) :)16:46
nikhilBasically, today in glance we support images and the focus is on the simplistic design that was proposed back from bexar when nova was the sole consumer16:47
nikhilthen came glance v2 that focussed on the public/user and nova like services16:47
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nikhilNevertheless, there are some constraints that prevent storing generic openstack data assets and maintain them wisely16:48
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nikhilso, to answer Kennan_'s question precisely (from that context) -- I'd say the metadata in Glare would be similar as in Glance16:48
nikhilbut with subtle different16:48
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nikhilthere is a generic API that provides skeleton of the meta for each artifact type -- here container-imgs16:49
nikhilbut you can add more specific structure to the meta based on the requirements and description16:49
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nikhila POC for that should be ready in the next couple days and hopefully we can explain this at the session16:50
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nikhilI wanted to put this forward to gather more interest, requirements and constraints from magnum team!16:50
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hongbinHere are the potential Magnum use cases I can think of16:50
* nikhil done. thanks everyone for listening.16:50
hongbin1. store list of COEs16:50
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hongbin2. store the middleware pre-built into the image16:51
hongbin3. store the version of each middleware16:51
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hongbin4. store the distro of hte image16:51
hongbin5. Maybe indicate the flavor of hte image (Ironic? VM?)16:52
hongbinThat is what I can think of16:52
tango__Sounds good for the start.  The session is on Wed afternoon, so there is no conflict with Magnum sessions.16:52
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hongbinThanks tango__ and nikhil16:52
Kennan_like to see some demo for Glare use cases, to make understand it more16:53
nikhilsurely16:53
hongbin#topic Open Discussion16:53
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nikhilwe are currently collab with app-catalog team and murano team16:53
nikhilwe meet every monday as well16:53
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nikhilhopefully at one of these occurrences we can provide some demo like stuff16:54
nikhiland there is a plan to release a video demo for this soon16:54
* nikhil done16:54
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nikhilThanks hongbin and tango__! Hoping that we get a liaison(s)/repr(s) at the session from magnum team!16:54
rochaportowill the not implemented mitaka blueprints move to newton? or only a few? also, would be nice to get the rally one approved for newton16:55
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hongbinrochaporto: I have no problem to approve the rally one16:56
tango__The rally bp should be moved to the Rally project?16:56
rochaportohongbin: great, thanks :)16:56
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hongbinrochaporto: For the mitaka blueprints, I think most of them will be pushed to Newton16:56
hongbin#action hongbin revisit the unfinished mitaka blueprints16:57
strigazitango__: yes that is the proccess16:57
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tango__I am about to open a BP for Magnum in Rally, since we are submitting patches there16:57
tango__Then we can link our BP to the Rally BP16:58
hongbintango__: Sounds good to me16:59
Kennan_Good  to know that tango__16:59
vilobhmm11tango__ : +116:59
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rochaportogreat, looking forward to the summit17:00
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hongbinOK. Let's wrap up17:00
hongbinAll, thanks for joining the meeting. Looking forward to seeing you all in Austin17:00
hongbin#endmeeting17:00
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kzaitsev_mb#startmeeting murano17:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 19 17:01:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:01
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kzaitsev_mb#topic rollcall17:01
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sergmelikyano/17:01
kzaitsev_mbo/17:01
oshykhkerimovo/17:01
ddovbii_o/17:01
vakovalchuko/17:01
tlashchovao/17:01
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freerunner\o/17:01
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kzaitsev_mbour agends is available at17:03
kzaitsev_mb#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda17:03
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kzaitsev_mb#topic Action Items Review17:03
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kzaitsev_mbI'm a bit hasty today %)17:04
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Nikolai_mobO/17:04
kzaitsev_mbbrobably too much coffee )17:04
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kzaitsev_mbI had an AI to convert an etherpad for murano-contributors-rules into a commit to docs17:05
Nikolai_mobkzaitsev: it can't be too much =]17:05
kzaitsev_mbbut all the preps ate my time =(17:05
kzaitsev_mbso I'm going to move it to next one,17:06
ativelkovo/17:06
kzaitsev_mbactually since I'm travelling — may I ask someone to do that? vakovalchuk, oshykhkerimov may I recruit any of you for this?17:06
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vakovalchukyes17:07
kzaitsev_mbawesome17:07
oshykhkerimovlet's do it17:07
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kzaitsev_mb#action vakovalchuk and oshykhkerimov convert https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-contributors-rules into a commit to docs17:08
kzaitsev_mbthanks guys17:08
vakovalchukok17:08
kzaitsev_mb#topic Dashboard. Provide region when create environment17:09
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kzaitsev_mb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305747/17:09
kzaitsev_mbStan put a -2 there17:09
kzaitsev_mbAlthough I'm not 100% sure that he is right there17:10
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vakovalchukI didn't quite understand his point too17:10
kzaitsev_mbtlashchova: do I understand correctly, that this patch adds the currently selected region as the default?17:10
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tlashchovakzaitsev_mb, yes17:11
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kzaitsev_mbStanLagun: I get it, that we need a separate UI for choosing a region, but isn't choosing the region user is in right now (in hotizon) a good enough workaround for now?17:11
StanLagunkzaitsev_mb: we already have it17:12
StanLagunyou can deploy to current region without this commit17:12
kzaitsev_mbwith HomeRegion?17:12
vakovalchukbut if we choose RegionTwo in horizon, we will still deploy to home region of a user17:13
StanLagunif you don't specify region than it defaults to home_region which must be set anyway17:13
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kzaitsev_mbStanLagun: that's the point of the commit — you can choose a region in horizon's drop-down17:13
StanLagunwe already has thus functionality working. You don't need this commit to make it work - it already does17:14
kzaitsev_mbit doesn't. if you have home_region set — you can't deploy into a different region from horizon17:14
StanLagunlet me explain17:15
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StanLagunhome_region is a setting in murano.conf telling which region it belongs to17:15
StanLagunwhen you switch regions in horizon you start talking to Murano API in that region which supposed to have home_region configured already17:16
StanLagunAnd if you don't provide "region" property explicitly it will be the current region17:16
StanLagunSo you will be deploying to the chosen region17:16
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kzaitsev_mbunless you have a home_region set17:16
StanLagunThus this commit brings no extra value17:16
StanLagunnot unless17:17
StanLagunyou always have it17:17
StanLagunhome_region must be set for each region independently17:17
StanLagunit just telling engine where its API live17:17
kzaitsev_mbwell, I can think of at least 1 situation — a single murano in RegionOne, configured to talk to both RegionOne and RegionTwo services17:18
StanLagunso in each region home_region must be set to the name of *that* region17:18
kzaitsev_mbwith no murano-api in RegionTwo17:18
StanLagunthat will not work with this commit17:19
StanLagunbecause once you switch that dropbox in Horizon you will be talking to murano-api in RegionTwo17:19
StanLagunthere's no way to override it17:19
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kzaitsev_mb*if* you don't override murano-api in horizon's setting17:20
StanLagununless you register the same endpoint for 2 regions in keystone17:20
kzaitsev_mbor that17:20
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kzaitsev_mbI see the point, that for the most time only developers would benefit from this change17:21
kzaitsev_mbok, I think I can agree on leaving it as is.17:22
StanLagunMy  main point was that region property was intent not to duplicate Horizon drop box and we can make it right right from the start17:22
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Nikolay_Stkzaitsev_mb: StanLagun looks like we need additional test for it17:24
kzaitsev_mbWe won't backport it to stable/mitaka I believe. And I really hope we will settle on some UI for that during N cycle17:25
StanLagunThough you convinced me to change my -2 to -117:25
Nikolay_Stand at least we need a commit which will include home_region property to murano dashboard17:25
Nikolay_Stto murano config17:25
sergmelikyanAnd really cleary explanation of how this works :)17:26
sergmelikyanI have a feeling that existing documentation is not enough :)17:26
StanLagunwe have both17:26
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kzaitsev_mbI still think that there should be a UI solution for it, so that the user would be explicitly aware, that the env is going to be deployed into some region17:29
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kzaitsev_mbSo I suggest that we abandon this approach and work on a better UI during N17:30
StanLagunkzaitsev_mb user select region in Horizon dropbox and sees only environments belonging to that region. Why would he require something else if he wants to deploy to that region?17:30
kzaitsev_mbStanLagun: To allow explicitly setting region, even if you have home_region/murano-api set17:31
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StanLagunuser is not aware of murano.conf settings17:31
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kzaitsev_mbexactly17:31
StanLagunhe expects that env will be deployed to the only region he selected17:31
kzaitsev_mbwhy do you think so? =)17:31
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StanLagunbecause if there's only a single point where you select region you usually expect that it's region for everything17:32
kzaitsev_mbwhy not allow user choose the region and set default to the currently selected one?17:32
StanLagunand that's what happens if you don't set yourself some weird setup17:33
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StanLagunkzaitsev_mb we should allow it17:33
StanLagunI think we agree here17:33
StanLagunWe just need to have properly working UI for it17:34
kzaitsev_mbyep =)17:34
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kzaitsev_mbSo once again — I suggest to abandon this kind of approach and work on better UI for creation during N =)17:35
StanLagun+117:35
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kzaitsev_mbsince there are no objections — I'm going to say 'agreed' here17:37
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kzaitsev_mb#agreed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305747/ and work on better UI for regions during N17:37
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kzaitsev_mbok no more agenda for today17:37
kzaitsev_mb#topic Open Discussion17:38
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kzaitsev_mbI have a couple points here: 1st I'll cancel next meeting, since summit =)17:39
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oshykhkerimovsounds reasonable (:17:40
sergmelikyan+17:40
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kzaitsev_mb2d — I'l probably cancel the meeting after next one, since there're going to be a holidays for european part of our team, I believe17:42
kzaitsev_mbgotta check that more carefully17:42
kzaitsev_mbin any case I'm going to write emails for that to ML soon enough =)17:43
sergmelikyanThank you17:43
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sergmelikyanalso after summit many folks take vacations17:44
kzaitsev_mbexactly17:45
kzaitsev_mbI also wanted to add one thing to for the record17:45
kzaitsev_mb#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-newton-priorities17:45
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kzaitsev_mbI'm going to use this etherpad as a sync point for our priorities during N-cycle17:46
kzaitsev_mbit's half-baked at this point, but we would work through it during following weeks.17:46
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kzaitsev_mbok nothing more from my side =)17:47
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kzaitsev_mbI suggest we save ourselves 10mins of our lives and end a bit early today ;)17:51
kzaitsev_mbas usual see you around in #murano17:52
kzaitsev_mb#endmeeting17:52
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