| SridarK | Hi FWaaS Folks | 00:00 |
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| xgerman | Hi | 00:00 |
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| hoangcx | hi SridarK, xgerman and all :-) | 00:01 |
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| mickeys | Hi | 00:01 |
| SridarK | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 00:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 21 00:01:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SridarK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 00:01 |
| SridarK | #chair xgerman | 00:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK xgerman | 00:01 |
| SridarK | We can keep it quick today | 00:02 |
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| SridarK | #topic FWaaS v2 | 00:02 |
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| SridarK | Some updates - i heard back from 2 folks from Juniper (Sarath, Chandan) who will help with contributions this cycle | 00:03 |
| mickeys | That is good news | 00:03 |
| SridarK | They have already done a Vendor plugin so have some familiarity | 00:03 |
| SridarK | and are willing to help out as they get more familiar with the ref implementation | 00:04 |
| xgerman | mickeys +! | 00:04 |
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| SridarK | yes that will help for sure | 00:04 |
| SridarK | I think Chandan will be at Austin so we can meet up and sync | 00:04 |
| SridarK | mickeys: did u have any luck with adding some one from IBM ? | 00:05 |
| mickeys | Not so far. I am not 100% done checking around, but it looks like other than 50% of my time, which is not confirmed yet either, at best it is one person in their free time. | 00:05 |
| SridarK | mickeys: ok | 00:06 |
| mickeys | I will confirm how much I can put in during the Austin meeting, before Wednesday | 00:06 |
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| SridarK | mickeys: sure understand | 00:06 |
| xgerman | k | 00:06 |
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| SridarK | it will be good if we have a firm set of contributors over next week | 00:07 |
| SridarK | hoangcx: pls let us know if u have some bandwidth as well | 00:07 |
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| hoangcx | SridarK: yes. i will at Austin and will discuss about that | 00:08 |
| SridarK | hoangcx: ok thx | 00:08 |
| xgerman | awesome | 00:08 |
| hoangcx | please give me a little bit of time to internal sync | 00:08 |
| SridarK | hoangcx: sure | 00:09 |
| SridarK | xgerman: anything else to discuss on this | 00:09 |
| xgerman | nothing from our end | 00:09 |
| SridarK | #topic reviews | 00:09 |
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| SridarK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300960/ | 00:10 |
| SridarK | mickeys: thanks for getting on this | 00:11 |
| mickeys | The addition of ip_version is clearly a good thing | 00:11 |
| hoangcx | yeah. my co-worker has already updated as xgerman and mickeys comments | 00:11 |
| SridarK | xgerman: has looked at it and i am also looking at it - and i am good with this | 00:11 |
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| xgerman | yeah, my comments were pretty minor :-) | 00:12 |
| mickeys | The question is whether we think it is worth stepping through the conntrack list to find the IP addresses in conntrack entries and add that to the filter. It is an interesting, and the implementation seems clean. It is a judgement call whether we think it is worth it. | 00:12 |
| SridarK | i just want to be sure on the tests as well | 00:12 |
| tuhv | Sridark: Thank you | 00:12 |
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| SridarK | tuhv: thanks for the patch | 00:12 |
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| mickeys | tuhv: Thanks for turning it around quickly | 00:13 |
| tuhv | I will write the unittest with address | 00:13 |
| SridarK | +1 | 00:13 |
| SridarK | tuhv: ok great | 00:13 |
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| SridarK | tuhv: if u would like to discuss something here pls go ahead - or we can pick it up on gerrit as well | 00:14 |
| tuhv | Thank you verry much | 00:14 |
| SridarK | tuhv: mickeys: has been spending a lot of time on iptables so it is valuable to get his inputs on it | 00:15 |
| tuhv | I would like to ask about my idea | 00:15 |
| SridarK | so i think we are good on this | 00:15 |
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| hoangcx | SridarK: i am thinking about that too. let me syns something and inform to you in Austin :) | 00:16 |
| mickeys | It will take some time to step through conntrack entries. It does narrow the filter quite a bit. The judgement call is whether we think it is worth stepping through conntrack entries, or whether it might become a scale problem if the conntrack table gets too large. It is not immediately obvious to me which way to go. | 00:16 |
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| tuhv | But I think it is better when we reduce Linux commands call | 00:16 |
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| mickeys | If we want to filter IP addresses, your idea seems to be a good way to do it | 00:17 |
| mickeys | The question is whether we should take your latest code or just drop the idea of filtering on IP address | 00:17 |
| tuhv | mickeys: Thanks, | 00:18 |
| tuhv | I think we should take the lastest | 00:18 |
| tuhv | Base on my idea, we can reduce Linux commands | 00:18 |
| mickeys | Agreed | 00:19 |
| tuhv | And the extract data on entries table is no problem running | 00:19 |
| mickeys | The question is how big that table can get, and whether it will take too long to do the processing | 00:19 |
| hoangcx | mickeys: In the initial (before your comment), the patch drop the idea if filtering on ip address. because it doesn't effect to anything. | 00:20 |
| tuhv | Even the entries table is so large, I reduce by other filters like port, ipversion | 00:20 |
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| mickeys | tuhv: The filter part is all good | 00:20 |
| tuhv | mikeys: when the big table, I have filtered with other filters | 00:21 |
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| SridarK | tuhv: do u have a sense on the performance if u have a large table ? | 00:21 |
| mickeys | The options are either the latest patch, or revert to the previous patch plus the ip_version addition from the latest patch, dropping the IP address filters | 00:21 |
| hoangcx | mickeys: in my opinion, we should keep previous patch with no ip address filtering. | 00:22 |
| SridarK | i think that seems a reasonable first step | 00:22 |
| mickeys | That might be safer. Sorry for sending you down a path that is too dangerous. | 00:22 |
| hoangcx | mickeys: no worry :-) appreciate that | 00:23 |
| tuhv | mickeys: Thank you, No worry | 00:23 |
| SridarK | good i think we have a path fwd | 00:23 |
| SridarK | thx | 00:23 |
| SridarK | #topic Open Discussion | 00:24 |
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| SridarK | Perhaps we can set a time to meet up at Austin | 00:24 |
| hoangcx | +1 | 00:24 |
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| SridarK | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/9109 | 00:26 |
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| SridarK | i think we can indicate that we have a path fwd on v2 | 00:26 |
| SridarK | this would be our main focus to deliver this for N | 00:27 |
| mickeys | +1 | 00:27 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 00:27 |
| SridarK | xgerman: or i will start an email to figure out time/place to meet | 00:28 |
| xgerman | sounds good | 00:28 |
| xgerman | also keep in mind the Common Classifier People want to meet as well | 00:28 |
| SridarK | xgerman: +1 | 00:28 |
| mickeys | Monday is relatively free. Not yet sure what Tuesday looks like. | 00:28 |
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| SridarK | I think Mon works for me too | 00:29 |
| SridarK | we figure out specifics on email | 00:29 |
| xgerman | I arrive Sunday… but Monday would work | 00:29 |
| mickeys | Maybe we need to give that underused openstack-fwaas IRC channel a spin when we are in Austin? | 00:30 |
| hoangcx | Monday is ok for me except slot from 1h00-2h00 pm | 00:30 |
| SridarK | ok | 00:30 |
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| xgerman | mickeys lol - yeah | 00:30 |
| SridarK | ok good, anything else any one ? Or we can close out | 00:31 |
| SridarK | ok have a good one and safe travels to Austin | 00:32 |
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| SridarK | #endmeeting | 00:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 21 00:32:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-04-21-00.01.html | 00:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-04-21-00.01.txt | 00:32 |
| mickeys | See everyone next week. Bye. | 00:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-04-21-00.01.log.html | 00:32 |
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| hoangcx | see you | 00:33 |
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| xgerman | bye | 00:34 |
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| dirk | toabctl, dirk, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jruzicka: ping | 12:59 |
| dirk | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 21 13:00:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dirk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:00 |
| dirk | all, please add your meeting topics to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging# | 13:00 |
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| dirk | mordred: ping? | 13:02 |
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| toabctl | hi | 13:02 |
| mordred | I didn't do it | 13:02 |
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| dirk | mordred: have some time to discuss the fishbowl session about the rpm&deb packaging? | 13:04 |
| mordred | absolutely | 13:04 |
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| IgorYozhikov | o/ | 13:05 |
| dirk | great | 13:05 |
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| mordred | dirk: one of the main things I'd like to talk about is the conceptual difference between packages intended to be uploaded to distros and packages that openstack itself might publish | 13:06 |
| dirk | #topic Fishbowl session (Design summit track) | 13:06 |
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| mordred | which is a touchy topic for some folks, so possibly a good one for when we can all see each others faces | 13:06 |
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| dirk | mordred: yeah, a good topic | 13:07 |
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| dirk | mordred: can you add it to the therpad for the session ? | 13:07 |
| dirk | mordred: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-cross-distro-packaging-discussion | 13:07 |
| dirk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-cross-distro-packaging-discussion | 13:07 |
| mordred | and I _think_ (but I might be wrong) that it would be nice if rpms and debs that openstack publishes itself behave similarly, even if the ones we'd upload to the distros might need to be different | 13:07 |
| mordred | yup. on eit | 13:07 |
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| dirk | mordred: I think I sent you a mail about that a few days ago .. would be good if we could somehow structure the fishbowl session topics before it happens | 13:08 |
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| dirk | mordred: I have an opinion about that :-) | 13:08 |
| dirk | mordred: publishing binaries hasn't been a primary focus for the current openstack (rpm) packaging, but I agree it is the next step to take | 13:09 |
| dirk | right now we've been mostly busy with building up a relevant code base to make this somewhat useful | 13:09 |
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| dirk | mordred: I agree with you that we need to have a "standard" binary repo published soemwhere on openstack.org for people to use | 13:10 |
| dirk | it is not so simple though if you look into the details | 13:10 |
| mordred | yah. I think people will find it useful - although we should also talk about what we are and aren't committing to for people | 13:10 |
| mordred | exactly | 13:10 |
| dirk | well, having it useful for people is the 2nd step | 13:10 |
| mordred | turns out last time we published packages in a repo called "do-not-use" people still used them in production and then filed bugs | 13:10 |
| dirk | I think where it would primarily help is adding test coverage for the various config management flavors | 13:11 |
| dirk | e.g. it would be a great step forward if changes to ansible,salt,chef,puppet and what not are gated automatically against the "common" openstack packages | 13:11 |
| dirk | in a functional/integration test | 13:11 |
| mordred | totally agree | 13:11 |
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| IgorYozhikov | mordred, dirk, agree here, and the question here is - packages for which distros are going to be published ? | 13:12 |
| dirk | I'd like to start the discussion around that on the design summit | 13:12 |
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| dirk | mordred: who else do we need to pull into that ? I guess a few from the infra team? | 13:12 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: for me it would make sense to not only publish one set of packages but packages for each distro flavor | 13:12 |
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| dirk | with the renderspec layer we have all the tooling to do that seamlessly | 13:13 |
| dirk | but I think I heard mordred say that he disagrees with that idea ;) | 13:13 |
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| IgorYozhikov | dirk, I'm about the same | 13:13 |
| dirk | there was quite often brought up the topic that there should be only one package | 13:13 |
| toabctl | but we already realized that this doesn't work for the rpm world and that's why we have renderspec. just think i.e. about the epoch handling.... | 13:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | package with a lot of if enif? | 13:14 |
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| mordred | dirk: wait - which thing do I disagree with? | 13:15 |
| dirk | mordred: sorry, I wasn't serious | 13:15 |
| mordred | ah. phew | 13:16 |
| mordred | :) | 13:16 |
| dirk | mordred: the topic on whether there should be only one set of binary packages rather than the "distro flavored" versions of binary packages | 13:16 |
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| mordred | I kinda think "both" :) | 13:16 |
| dirk | I read that out of the topic that you added to the design summit session | 13:16 |
| dirk | imho the goal should be that there is absolutely no difference between the packages that openstack publsihes and that downstream distros sue | 13:17 |
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| mordred | wel.... so that's one of the things I think would be useful to talk about | 13:17 |
| dirk | which is why we're trying to get on a common packaging level (plus the abstraction to fulfill downstream packaging policies) | 13:17 |
| mordred | because downstream distros have policies on how packages should work | 13:17 |
| mordred | which are great, beause the primary output is a consistent distro | 13:17 |
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| mordred | but for a thing like openstack, some of them, like he debian policy that services should run when you've installed the package - don't make sense ina 100 node deploy using config management | 13:18 |
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| mordred | so if we can publish, as openstack packages that are friendly to and assume config management, and then figure out how to layer on the extra things that distros need for the distro uploads, _I_ think that would be neat. but other people might totally disagree and I might be wrong | 13:19 |
| IgorYozhikov | mordred, if use debian frontend non-interactive - all cinf files will be installed as is | 13:20 |
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| IgorYozhikov | and could be adjusted by any of configuration management tool | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | s/cinf/conf/ | 13:21 |
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| mordred | IgorYozhikov: yes indeed. | 13:23 |
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| dirk | mordred: well, at least for the SUSE (downstream) packaging config management friendliness is a must | 13:24 |
| mordred | good | 13:24 |
| dirk | I'd agree that we should aim for the saim goal in the openstack common rpm packaging | 13:24 |
| dirk | s,saim,same, | 13:24 |
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| dirk | its only getting difficult when we have to do something different in order to fulfill downstream policies | 13:24 |
| dirk | because right now the goal is to also have downstream-compatible spec files | 13:25 |
| mordred | yah- hopefully so that the only disto-differences as it relates to openstack itself in an install guide are "yum install nova-server" or "apt-get install nova-server" and the rest of the guide should pretty much be the exact same | 13:25 |
| mordred | dirk: yah. that's the hard part :) | 13:25 |
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| dirk | mordred: well, thats why it s good that we have all the relevant people at the summit :-) | 13:25 |
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| mordred | ++ | 13:25 |
| IgorYozhikov | yey | 13:25 |
| dirk | anything else on that topic? does anyone want to add more stuff to the etherpad for the fishbowl? | 13:26 |
| mordred | dirk: do you happen to know the time of the session? I find the schedule very hard to use and want to make sure I don't miss it | 13:26 |
| dirk | I think we need to add some more text around the agenda items | 13:26 |
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| dirk | mordred: thursday something | 13:26 |
| dirk | second | 13:26 |
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| dirk | 2016-04-28 - 11:50 | 13:26 |
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| IgorYozhikov | dirk, I will try to add some text during this weekend | 13:27 |
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| dirk | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/9181 | 13:27 |
| mordred | woot! thanks! | 13:28 |
| mordred | and good. it's already on my calendar. I must have found it before | 13:28 |
| IgorYozhikov | also, as i mentioned before - we already publish produces from J2 and vanilla code packages - here http://packages.fuel-infra.org/rpm-packaging/master/centos7/os/x86_64/ | 13:28 |
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| IgorYozhikov | repo is 4 CentOS7 | 13:28 |
| dirk | mordred: well, hopefully it is. aren't you PTL'ing the deb packaging? :) | 13:28 |
| mordred | dirk: that's what they tell me :) | 13:29 |
| dirk | thats what they told me ;) | 13:29 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: thank you. I'll also try my best to make it sensible but I guess I'll only get to it somewhen next week | 13:29 |
| dirk | can we move on on this topic? | 13:30 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok, anyway will meet there | 13:30 |
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| dirk | #topic AIs review(IgorYozhikov) | 13:30 |
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| IgorYozhikov | AI 1 - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Rpm-packaging/ContentStyle | 13:31 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: thanks. this is still with the 1 space between "BuildRequires:" and the value? | 13:33 |
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| IgorYozhikov | dirk, thanx, will fix it now | 13:34 |
| IgorYozhikov | 2 spaces & 2 \n | 13:34 |
| IgorYozhikov | AI 2 - AI 2 - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306556/ - but it is very strange that SUSE CI doesn't reacts on this PR | 13:35 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: looks like zuul is broken again | 13:37 |
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| IgorYozhikov | dirk, got it, will you merge this PR or will wait for mark from your zuul when it will get back on-line? | 13:39 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: I've just kicked it, it started now | 13:40 |
| IgorYozhikov | cool | 13:40 |
| dirk | at some point I need to understand why this happens :( | 13:40 |
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| dirk | after a while its just stuck and does nothing | 13:40 |
| IgorYozhikov | o i c | 13:40 |
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| dirk | next AI ? | 13:41 |
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| dirk | AI dirk merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306556/ once gating checks pass | 13:41 |
| dirk | #AI dirk merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306556/ once gating checks pass | 13:41 |
| dirk | #action dirk merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306556/ once gating checks pass | 13:41 |
| * dirk never remembers the right command | 13:41 | |
| IgorYozhikov | :) | 13:41 |
| toabctl | :) | 13:43 |
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| IgorYozhikov | We have a postponed topic from previous meeting | 13:43 |
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| IgorYozhikov | of course if we finished with AIs review. | 13:44 |
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| IgorYozhikov | dirk, could we raise it and discuss ( Using all DB backends within project template as runt-time dependencies)? | 13:45 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: sure | 13:46 |
| dirk | #topic Using all DB backends within project template as runt-time dependencies) | 13:46 |
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| dirk | I think this was a discussion between toabctl and you, right? | 13:47 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok, a week I raised this question. | 13:47 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, you should remember this case with oslo.db | 13:48 |
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| IgorYozhikov | and the question here: should we add all supported DB backends as run-time dependencies or create a sub-package to handle this situation | 13:49 |
| IgorYozhikov | adding of all supported db backends increase amount of dependencies for a particular root project | 13:50 |
| toabctl | ah. yes. so we could create a python-oslo.db-postgres package i.e. | 13:52 |
| toabctl | which depends on python-oslo.db and also on python-psychopg2 | 13:52 |
| toabctl | same for mysql | 13:52 |
| IgorYozhikov | otherwise if project support postgresql and mysql but mysql was chosen - as default db, our package will install all bindings even which never will be used | 13:52 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, yes like sub-package with proper bindings | 13:53 |
| toabctl | but not adding any of the dependencies make the package useless imo. so I'm for subpackages or adding all useful deps | 13:53 |
| toabctl | dirk: any opinion on that topic? or number80 ? | 13:54 |
| IgorYozhikov | so 2 ways: 1 - easier, but heavier from perspective of amount of installed code | 13:54 |
| IgorYozhikov | 2 | 13:54 |
| IgorYozhikov | more flexible | 13:54 |
| number80 | toabctl: have every package depending on oslo.db | 13:54 |
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| number80 | and oslo.db depends on all pure-python backends | 13:55 |
| number80 | pure python modules have little to no deps, so adding them is cheap | 13:55 |
| toabctl | number80: yeah. also fine for me. I think that's what I suggested during the review iirc | 13:55 |
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| number80 | *nods* | 13:56 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I'm fine with both approaches, just want that we all agree on something and I'll reflect it in wiki | 13:57 |
| dirk | well, even python-PyMySQL is an extra dep that isn't needed if you don't use mysql | 13:57 |
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| dirk | is there something like Supplements: packageand(postgresql:python-oslo.db) in other distros? | 13:57 |
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| IgorYozhikov | dirk, r u about - http://www.rpm.org/wiki/PackagerDocs/Dependencies#Weakdependencies | 13:59 |
| number80 | dirk: Supplements is not supported by older rpm | 13:59 |
| dirk | number80: any rpm version you still care about? | 14:00 |
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| toabctl | number80: do we need to care about older rpm for newton packages? | 14:00 |
| dirk | we have that in SUSE for like 5+ years or so | 14:00 |
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| dirk | number80: at the end of the day its just a small convenience improvement | 14:00 |
| dirk | so the plan would be a python-oslo.db-$dbflavor subpackage that is supplementing the related db | 14:01 |
| dirk | and that has the correct dependencies | 14:01 |
| dirk | if the supplements doesn#t work well then the distro has to install the package manually | 14:01 |
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| IgorYozhikov | looks like a plan, need to check how it is work | 14:03 |
| IgorYozhikov | just never used supplements before | 14:03 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: short summary is "this package is recommended ot be installed if both package A and B are already installed" | 14:04 |
| dirk | in the case of %package foo\nSupplements: packageand(A:B) | 14:04 |
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| number80 | dirk: doesn't fit well with the approach of people installing/setting up manually openstack | 14:05 |
| dirk | so you can say things like "I need the python-oslo-db.postgresql package if python-oslo.db is getting installed and postgresql is installed" | 14:05 |
| dirk | number80: hmm, how so? not sure I can follow | 14:05 |
| dirk | Oh, we're overtime, can we movet he discussion to rpm-packaging channel? | 14:05 |
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| dirk | #endmeeting | 14:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 21 14:05:48 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-04-21-13.00.html | 14:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-04-21-13.00.txt | 14:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-04-21-13.00.log.html | 14:05 |
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| m3m0 | #startmeeting freezer | 14:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 21 14:06:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is m3m0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:06 |
| m3m0 | hello everyone, wellcome to the freezer meeting | 14:07 |
| ddieterly | hello | 14:07 |
| yangyapeng | heelo | 14:07 |
| yangyapeng | hello | 14:07 |
| EinstCrazy | hello | 14:07 |
| m3m0 | as always, the etherpad for the meetings is at: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:07 |
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| slashme | Hello m3m0 | 14:07 |
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| m3m0 | jonaspf, are you here/ | 14:08 |
| m3m0 | ? | 14:08 |
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| jonaspf | yes | 14:09 |
| m3m0 | #topic Feedback on the integration testing plan | 14:09 |
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| m3m0 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/freezer/+spec/freezer-integration-tests / https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_tempest | 14:10 |
| jonaspf | I was looking at what already exists in terms of integration tests | 14:10 |
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| jonaspf | and what we need to do to get at least basic confidence that freezer is working | 14:10 |
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| ddieterly | it would be nice to have a basic smoke tests that tests end-to-end functionality on install | 14:11 |
| jonaspf | could you just have a look at the blueprint and give me some feedbakc? | 14:11 |
| ddieterly | just to make sure all components are up and running | 14:11 |
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| ddieterly | like schedule a backup for immediate execution and then check that everything that was supposed to happen did happen | 14:12 |
| jonaspf | I agree , and it is included in the blueprint document | 14:12 |
| jonaspf | under todo :-) | 14:12 |
| ddieterly | cool | 14:12 |
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| m3m0 | should we speak with the infra guys to check if we can spawn windows vm's for this? | 14:13 |
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| m3m0 | or should we do this internally? | 14:14 |
| jonaspf | well, I don't know how so I guess if nobody else knows we have to ask | 14:14 |
| m3m0 | would you like to do this? | 14:14 |
| jonaspf | yes, I will drive that forward but it's going to take a while | 14:15 |
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| jonaspf | I think that;s all from my side. Fell free to jump to the next topic | 14:16 |
| m3m0 | danke jonaspf | 14:16 |
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| m3m0 | btw how long do you thin it will take? jonaspf? | 14:18 |
| m3m0 | and btw slashme, should we do this before the refactor? | 14:18 |
| jonaspf | honestly no idea but we are talking weeks | 14:19 |
| jonaspf | maybe months | 14:19 |
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| jonaspf | but it's not an all or nothing thing. every little test helps. | 14:19 |
| m3m0 | that's very true | 14:20 |
| m3m0 | and you don't need to this by youself | 14:20 |
| slashme | yes | 14:20 |
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| m3m0 | just make sure on the reviews give a -1 if a commit does not contains a test | 14:20 |
| jonaspf | will do | 14:21 |
| m3m0 | thanks a lot | 14:21 |
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| m3m0 | but slashme, how should we proceed then? | 14:21 |
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| slashme | What is your concerns ? The refactoring concerns mainly the agent. and sould not affect testing that much. No ? | 14:22 |
| jonaspf | testing the agent is an important part but I'll concentrate on api and end-to-end testing first | 14:23 |
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| jonaspf | or would tests help with the refactoring? | 14:24 |
| m3m0 | I think we can work on both in parallel then | 14:24 |
| slashme | m3m0: that's also my opinion | 14:25 |
| clsacramento | I think testing could help refactoring | 14:25 |
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| slashme | clsacramento: +1 | 14:25 |
| clsacramento | Would allow to be sure refactoring is not breaking anything? | 14:25 |
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| slashme | yes | 14:26 |
| m3m0 | ok can we move forward? | 14:26 |
| jonaspf | so how about this: whoever refactores something should write a test first | 14:26 |
| jonaspf | or ping me and I'll do it if I find the time | 14:27 |
| m3m0 | +2 | 14:27 |
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| clsacramento | +2 too | 14:28 |
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| m3m0 | ok let's move forward | 14:30 |
| EinstCrazy | + | 14:30 |
| m3m0 | #topic Pending reviews: trickle | 14:31 |
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| m3m0 | szaher | 14:32 |
| szaher | Hi m3m0 | 14:32 |
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| szaher | I think trickle is ready to be merged I tested that and it seems to be working fine | 14:33 |
| szaher | If anyone can give a hand so we can merge it that would be greate | 14:33 |
| szaher | s/greate/great | 14:33 |
| m3m0 | could you paste the link plase? | 14:33 |
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| m3m0 | so guys, please review this | 14:33 |
| szaher | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304047/ | 14:34 |
| szaher | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304781/ | 14:34 |
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| yangyapeng | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304047/ it is good to delete tmpfile | 14:35 |
| szaher | yangyapeng: I am already doing that :) | 14:35 |
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| yangyapeng | good | 14:35 |
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| EinstCrazy | https://review.openstack.org/303340 | 14:36 |
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| szaher | EinstCrazy: merged | 14:36 |
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| EinstCrazy | thx | 14:37 |
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| m3m0 | clsacramento: your review? | 14:38 |
| m3m0 | any more reviews guys? | 14:38 |
| clsacramento | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300080/ | 14:39 |
| m3m0 | ready to be merged? | 14:40 |
| clsacramento | Jonas was going to review today I guess | 14:41 |
| jonaspf | yes | 14:41 |
| m3m0 | lol, too late | 14:41 |
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| jonaspf | fair enough, guess I'll raise bugs then ... if I find something | 14:42 |
| clsacramento | If more people wants to take a look it is best... Since we will rely on this to do most of tests, it would be better to have a more exhaustive review | 14:43 |
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| m3m0 | agree on that | 14:43 |
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| m3m0 | guys anything else you want to discuss or we can close the meeting? | 14:45 |
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| daemontool | o/ sorry I was flyong | 14:48 |
| daemontool | flying | 14:48 |
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| ddieterly | daemontool your arms must be tired | 14:48 |
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| m3m0 | :P | 14:48 |
| m3m0 | ok guys, closing the meeting in 5 | 14:49 |
| ddieterly | ciao! | 14:50 |
| m3m0 | 4 | 14:50 |
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| m3m0 | #endmeeting | 14:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 21 14:50:33 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-04-21-14.06.html | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-04-21-14.06.txt | 14:50 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 21 15:00:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| Yogi1 | Hello | 15:00 |
| aovchinnikov | hi | 15:00 |
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| xyang1 | hi | 15:00 |
| dustins | right in the nick of time | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | okay guys | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | no agenda today | 15:02 |
| ameade | \0 | 15:02 |
| bswartz | I guess everyone is prepping for design summit | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #topic design summit | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "design summit (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| dustins | Or the regular summit, haha | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | especially not-attendees )) | 15:03 |
| ameade | anyone else wanna move the contributor meetup to a bar? | 15:03 |
| bswartz | the etherpads are up | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Newton/Etherpads#Manila | 15:03 |
| dustins | ameade: +1 | 15:03 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | If we have noisy neighbors like we did in Tokyo I'd be happy to move the contributor meetup | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | however I doubt a bar would improve the noise level at all | 15:04 |
| ameade | lol | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | so we need the people leading sessions to fill in the etherpads for those sessions | 15:05 |
| bswartz | I'll help where I can | 15:06 |
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| dustins | What're the differences between the fishbowl and the work sessions? | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | in case I didn't mention it before, we will have some kind of audio/video conference setup | 15:06 |
| bswartz | Links for that will be provided on the etherpad at the time of the event | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: what apps will be used? | 15:07 |
| bswartz | dustins: fishbowl is a larger room with a projector | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | webex? | 15:07 |
| bswartz | working sessions have fairly small rooms and a projector is iffy | 15:07 |
| bswartz | fishbowl sessions are designed to attract more cross-project people | 15:08 |
| bswartz | working sessions are just for us to get work done | 15:08 |
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| dustins | Gotcha, thanks, bswartz! | 15:08 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: I have various technical problems with both webex and hangouts | 15:08 |
| bswartz | so I'll use whatever I can get to work | 15:08 |
| xyang1 | vponomaryov: you are not attending the summit? | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1: no, no budgeting | 15:08 |
| bswartz | hopefully we'll get vponomaryov in barcelona | 15:09 |
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| xyang1 | vponomaryov: you should try to apply for the travel program | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | barcelona is a much nicer city than austin anyways | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1: anyway, too late for this time | 15:10 |
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| xyang1 | vponomaryov: yes, maybe try it next time | 15:10 |
| bswartz | should I look at any apps other than webex and google hangouts? | 15:10 |
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| dustins | We like BlueJeans well enough | 15:12 |
| bswartz | dustins: it's not free | 15:12 |
| dustins | Not sure if you have to sign up/pay for it though | 15:12 |
| dustins | Which answers that question, haha | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | okay so the meeting next week is canceled, obviously | 15:12 |
| bswartz | we need to make some decisions about deadlines | 15:12 |
| bswartz | for those that haven't been paying attention, we're already in the second week of newton development | 15:13 |
| bswartz | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 15:13 |
| bswartz | when we come back from austin there will be just 5 weeks until the N-1 milestone | 15:13 |
| bswartz | does anyone think we need to change the deadlines we enforced for Mitaka, for new drivers and new features, etc? | 15:15 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: not sure everyone remembers current deadlines ) | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | if people don't remember them then they weren't a problem | 15:16 |
| bswartz | I'm really just looking for if there's a problem we need to fix -- if not, we'll do what we did last time | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | I want to discuss increasing CI test coverage during Newton | 15:16 |
| bswartz | that will require some new deadlines | 15:16 |
| bswartz | increasing CI test coverage will require effort on the part of CI maintainers | 15:17 |
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| cknight | bswartz: The deadlines seemed to work well in Mitaka. | 15:17 |
| xyang1 | cknight: +1 | 15:17 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | well next week we'll discuss CI test coverage and how to improve it | 15:18 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: are you going to add them to the newton schedule wiki? | 15:18 |
| bswartz | I expect to have an announcement for what the new requirement will be when we get back from Austin, along with associated deadlines | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | xyang1: is there a wiki I can edit? | 15:18 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: the one you just shared | 15:19 |
| bswartz | the schedule I linked appears to be static content | 15:19 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: sean added cinder deadline there | 15:19 |
| bswartz | Yes there's a procedure for getting deadlines added to the schedule | 15:19 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: there is a column for project info | 15:19 |
| bswartz | I'll have to find out what it is | 15:19 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: ok, thanks | 15:19 |
| bswartz | the main point is: if you maintain a CI system, expect to spend some time tweaking it in Newton | 15:20 |
| bswartz | mostly I want to establish a baseline of minimum tests -- some may already meet it | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:21 |
| tpsilva | bswartz: what do you mean by increasing CI coverage? | 15:21 |
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| vponomaryov | tpsilva: run scenario tests, for example | 15:21 |
| vponomaryov | tpsilva: run multibackend setup | 15:21 |
| bswartz | tpsilva: yes we want people to run scenario tests, and multibackend configs | 15:21 |
| tpsilva | bswartz, vponomaryov: oh ok | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | the specifics we can discuss next week | 15:22 |
| bswartz | anything else for today? | 15:22 |
| dustins | We'll have to make sure more scenario tests get added over Newton as well | 15:22 |
| ganso | dustins: +1 | 15:23 |
| bswartz | I'm all for more scenario tests | 15:23 |
| bswartz | and for making scenario tests run faster | 15:23 |
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| ganso | bswartz: are we allowed to split scenario tests into different jobs? | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | ganso: I don't see why not | 15:24 |
| ganso | bswartz: we = third parties and first parties | 15:24 |
| bswartz | we separate them in the gate | 15:25 |
| ganso | bswartz: no I mean, scenario test in gate takes too long sometimes | 15:25 |
| ganso | bswartz: have 2 different jobs for scenario tests in the gate | 15:25 |
| bswartz | I would assume that 2 jobs could be more expensive than 1 job though and 3rd party CIs might find it more efficient to run it all as 1 job | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | oh | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | yeah we can talk about how exactly do we make scenario tests in gate run faster | 15:26 |
| bswartz | I think vponomaryov has some ideas for that which don't involve multiple jobs | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | yes, he does ) | 15:26 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: nice :) | 15:26 |
| bswartz | the goal is to take less time and resources | 15:26 |
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| dustins | Can't wait to hear it :) | 15:27 |
| bswartz | okay I think we're done for today | 15:27 |
| bswartz | looking forward to seeing many of you in person next week | 15:27 |
| bswartz | save travels everyone | 15:28 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 21 15:28:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-04-21-15.00.html | 15:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-04-21-15.00.txt | 15:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-04-21-15.00.log.html | 15:28 |
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| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:03 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 21 16:03:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:03 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:03 |
| xarses | Who's here? | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:03 |
| maximov | hi | 16:03 |
| mihgen | hey | 16:03 |
| mwhahaha | hi | 16:03 |
| xarses | hi all sorry about that | 16:03 |
| kszukielojc | hi | 16:03 |
| fzhadaev | Hi | 16:03 |
| xarses | #topic action items from last week | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items from last week (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:04 | |
| dpyzhov | hi | 16:04 |
| xarses | mwhahaha alex_didenko zynzel will document remaining gaps in idempotency coverage | 16:04 |
| xarses | oops | 16:04 |
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| xarses | I'm off | 16:04 |
| xarses | that was last week | 16:04 |
| mwhahaha | there's currently a fuel-qa review to cover idempotency, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290332/ | 16:04 |
| mwhahaha | no it was a carry over | 16:04 |
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| mwhahaha | or at least there was supposed to be | 16:05 |
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| xarses | ok, anything else we need to do here? | 16:05 |
| mwhahaha | don't think so | 16:06 |
| xarses | ok | 16:06 |
| xarses | #topic Mixed team status (kszukielojc) | 16:07 |
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| kszukielojc | Fixing bugs. | 16:07 |
| kszukielojc | No plans for Newton yet. | 16:07 |
| kszukielojc | Any questions? | 16:07 |
| xarses | nope, thanks | 16:08 |
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| xarses | #topic Telco Team Status (fzhadaev) | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Telco Team Status (fzhadaev) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:08 | |
| fzhadaev | Here is my weekly short update. Our team continues fixing bugs: | 16:08 |
| fzhadaev | Done 8 | 16:08 |
| fzhadaev | In progress (in development and on review) 12 | 16:08 |
| fzhadaev | Still no certain plan for 10.0. | 16:08 |
| fzhadaev | Do you have any questions? | 16:08 |
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| xarses | thanks | 16:09 |
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| xarses | #topic UI Team status (vkramskikh) | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "UI Team status (vkramskikh) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:09 | |
| vkramskikh | Hi! We're still working on bugs - we still have steady flow of incoming High bugs. Currently there are 5 High bugs left, and we're working on fixing them. | 16:09 |
| vkramskikh | As for Newton acitvities, we're mostly working on tech debt, updating our dependencies and switching to the latest version of JS for our functional tests. | 16:09 |
| vkramskikh | Questions? | 16:09 |
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| xarses | sounds good, thanks | 16:10 |
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| xarses | #topic open discuss | 16:11 |
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| xarses | kozhukalov: should we cancel the meeting next week? | 16:11 |
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| mihgen | congrats on kicking 9.0 out! | 16:11 |
| xarses | yes, congrats! | 16:12 |
| holser | o/ | 16:13 |
| xarses | anyone else, a number of people will be at summit next week, should we cancel the meeting? | 16:13 |
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| holser | I think yes | 16:13 |
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| holser | Let’s skip it next week | 16:13 |
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| xarses | ok, I'll send a mail about it | 16:14 |
| xarses | anything else to discuss ? I will close the meeting shortly | 16:14 |
| xarses | #action xarses will send to ML about canceling next weeks meeting | 16:14 |
| holser | I guess that’s all | 16:15 |
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| xarses | ok, thanks all. enjoy the rest of your day | 16:15 |
| holser | Thnx ;) | 16:15 |
| xarses | #endmeeting | 16:15 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 21 16:15:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-04-21-16.03.html | 16:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-04-21-16.03.txt | 16:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-04-21-16.03.log.html | 16:15 |
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