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| moshele | startmeeting sriov | 13:00 |
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| moshele | #startmeeting sriov | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 3 13:00:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is moshele. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sriov)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sriov' | 13:00 |
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| moshele | hi all | 13:00 |
| lennyb | moshele, hi | 13:01 |
| efried_ | Howdy. | 13:01 |
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| moshele | let wait for more people to join | 13:01 |
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| sfinucan | o/ | 13:01 |
| lbeliveau | hi | 13:02 |
| moshele | ok let start | 13:02 |
| moshele | here is that agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sriov_meeting_agenda | 13:03 |
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| lbeliveau | I did some cleanups last couple of days, let me add them in the etherpad | 13:03 |
| moshele | currently I am still working cleaning up the pci code with jaypipes and also fixing the resize | 13:03 |
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| moshele | ok thanks lbeliveau | 13:05 |
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| sfinucan | If we're doing updates, I've started working on docs for general high-performance (NFV?) features, including SR-IOV and PCI passthrough | 13:06 |
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| lbeliveau | sfinucan: do you have a draft/review ready ? | 13:06 |
| moshele | sfinucan: ok do you have patches or is it a wiki? | 13:06 |
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| sfinucan | lbeliveau: not even close yet, but I'll add you to the review when I do | 13:07 |
| sfinucan | moshele: patches (nova-docs) | 13:07 |
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| moshele | sfinucan: can you add them to the etherpad ? | 13:07 |
| sfinucan | Will do, once I publish them (tomorrow'ish) | 13:08 |
| moshele | cool | 13:08 |
| lbeliveau | perfect, can I help ? I know this area pretty well ? | 13:08 |
| moshele | and I can help with the SR-IOV PCI passthrough part | 13:08 |
| sfinucan | lbeliveau: Yes, please. I want to cover the PCI stuff, but I've started with the stuff I know best - NUMA and pinning | 13:08 |
| sfinucan | lbeliveau: Actually, I think you signed up to help at the summit :) | 13:09 |
| lbeliveau | ok, I can have a stab at pci if you want | 13:09 |
| sfinucan | Sure thing | 13:09 |
| lbeliveau | yeah I did | 13:09 |
| lbeliveau | ok I'll get started | 13:09 |
| lbeliveau | so that you know, don't want to step on your toes :) | 13:10 |
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| sfinucan | lbeliveau: Sure thing, heh. Would like you insight into where they should go too. I'm making additional changes to the extra-specs docs at the moment, but I'm thinking a dedicated NFV section would be useful | 13:11 |
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| moshele | I think so too | 13:11 |
| sfinucan | #link http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide/compute-flavors.html | 13:11 |
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| lbeliveau | sfinican: I'll have a look after this meeting, will ping you | 13:11 |
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| sfinucan | Sweet | 13:12 |
| sfinucan | Sorry for sidetracking, moshele. Back to the agenda :) | 13:12 |
| moshele | it fine I will add a Doc section to see we are making progress | 13:12 |
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| moshele | so I hope to finish the resize fix by the end of this week | 13:13 |
| lbeliveau | that would be sweet | 13:14 |
| moshele | and then I will need lbeliveau help with the colde migration | 13:14 |
| lbeliveau | sure thing | 13:14 |
| moshele | ok cool | 13:14 |
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| lbeliveau | any news on CI ? | 13:15 |
| lbeliveau | I sent an email to smooney to get insight of his plan to support multi-node testing, no answer yet | 13:15 |
| moshele | currently we we adding more test to the Mellanox SR-IOV CI | 13:15 |
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| moshele | but I don't no what is the status with the intel NFV CI | 13:16 |
| lbeliveau | moshele, those tests are not public right ? meaning not in public git ? | 13:16 |
| sfinucan | moshele: I can provide one, if it would help? | 13:16 |
| moshele | public in git they are in tempest | 13:16 |
| moshele | sfinucan: that would be great | 13:17 |
| lbeliveau | ok, how does it work with tempest in terms of reviewing, nova cores also review there ? | 13:17 |
| sfinucan | moshele: Sure | 13:17 |
| efried_ | Who is responsible for owning the CI? Since it requires some rather expensive hardware. | 13:18 |
| lennyb | sfinucan: are those tests somewhere on github? | 13:18 |
| sfinucan | So we've been working on migrating everything to the upstream model (nodepool, zuul, etc.) | 13:18 |
| moshele | sfinucan: also can you check if you CI can test pci-passthrough resize | 13:18 |
| sfinucan | That's now complete, and our CI should be switching over this week | 13:18 |
| moshele | is this just for the NUMA testing? | 13:18 |
| sfinucan | NUMA, hugepages and some pinning | 13:19 |
| lbeliveau | sfinucan: what is the name of this CI ? It is run in the gate ? | 13:19 |
| sfinucan | We run the standard tempest tests with different flavors first | 13:20 |
| sfinucan | (hugepages enabled, NUMA topology specified and possibly some pinning) | 13:20 |
| sfinucan | Then we run our custom tempest tests, which can be found here | 13:20 |
| sfinucan | #link https://github.com/openstack/intel-nfv-ci-tests/ | 13:20 |
| sfinucan | lennyb: ^^ is that what you're looking for? | 13:21 |
| lbeliveau | is there a plan to test multi-node ? | 13:21 |
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| sfinucan | lbeliveau: Is that addressed at me? | 13:21 |
| * lennyb checking link | 13:21 | |
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| lbeliveau | sfinican: yes | 13:22 |
| moshele | for mellanox CI is something that we need to investigate | 13:22 |
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| sfinucan | In that case, I don't know tbh. Despite suggestions at the summit, wznoinsk (rather than smooney) is the best person to ask | 13:22 |
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| lbeliveau | for cold migration we need at least two nodes (or maybe a chroot env) | 13:22 |
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| sfinucan | I can ask him to join next week, if that would help? | 13:23 |
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| moshele | sfinucan: yes | 13:24 |
| sfinucan | moshele: pci-passthrough is probably something that the Intel PCI CI should/does test | 13:24 |
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| sfinucan | I don't have much information on that at the moment, other than the fact that we (Intel Shannon) should be taking ownership of it shortly | 13:24 |
| lbeliveau | sfinican: yes, we absolutely need that, cores are resistant merge some of these patchs since it's not CI tested at the moment | 13:24 |
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| sfinucan | Again wznoinsk is the guy to ask RE: specifics | 13:25 |
| wznoinsk | hi all | 13:25 |
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| moshele | wznoinsk: hi | 13:25 |
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| lbeliveau | wznoinsk: hi | 13:25 |
| efried_ | Will tests automatically filter out if required hardware is not present? Or based on a setting in tempest.conf? | 13:26 |
| wznoinsk | moshele we use SRIOV VF in our NFV CI at the moment, but the proper testing of SRIOV (like resize) would be done in the Intel SRIOV CI, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/Intel-SRIOV-CI | 13:26 |
| sfinucan | efried_: Again, is that directed at me? :) | 13:27 |
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| moshele | wznoinsk: Mellanox CI is testing SR-IOV ports and it working fine, I just want to undestand what is the status of the pci-passthrough testing | 13:28 |
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| wznoinsk | I see things coming from different angles, could we throw it into an etherpad... a wishlist about SRIOV testing? | 13:28 |
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| wznoinsk | moshele I'd have to talk to the guys from the SRIOV CI above on that, they're in PRC hence e-mail is probably best to catchup | 13:29 |
| moshele | wznoinsk: ok also I would like to talk to after the meeting if that is possible | 13:30 |
| wznoinsk | moshele sure | 13:30 |
| moshele | let move on | 13:30 |
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| moshele | we have some bugs around the PF passthrough which Nikola work on, do you know if anyone continue the work | 13:31 |
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| lbeliveau | I guess we can share the work, do we have a list of those ? Some are most likely PCI related and other numa | 13:32 |
| moshele | lbeliveau: I put is on the ehterpad under PF passthrough | 13:33 |
| sfinucan | moshele: NUMA and pinning work would be preferred, but I can look into slotting this into my Newton backlog if necessary | 13:33 |
| lbeliveau | I think we should put down a list and add it to the etherpad for people to pick up this work | 13:33 |
| sfinucan | lbeliveau: I think mriedem or johnthetubaguy has one. I'll put it in the etherpad if I find one | 13:34 |
| lbeliveau | I can take over some of them (not all) | 13:35 |
| moshele | I guess we will split the work :) | 13:35 |
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| lbeliveau | sure :) | 13:36 |
| sfinucan | ^ yes, please :) | 13:36 |
| moshele | let move to the NUMA and pinning | 13:36 |
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| moshele | so I am not expert on that so sfinucan you can update | 13:37 |
| sfinucan | lbeliveau: johnthetubaguy doesn't know about any specific doc, but the notes from the summit would be a good start | 13:37 |
| sfinucan | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-performance-vms | 13:37 |
| sfinucan | moshele: Sure | 13:37 |
| lbeliveau | thanks | 13:37 |
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| lbeliveau | I'll start a list and put it in the etherpad | 13:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | I want to get this all into the feature classification matrix | 13:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we are all clear about the current docs, testing and implementation state | 13:38 |
| sfinucan | So around NUMA and pinning, there a few ongoing things | 13:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | but thats very much a work in progress at this point | 13:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | honestly, as a sub group, if you can agree a list of "issues" where we need help, then narrow that down to a list of newton targets, that would be awesome | 13:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | then send a summary to the ML | 13:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | at least, thats would I would recommend you focus on | 13:39 |
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| sfinucan | For pinning, there are two bugs with pinning that need to be resolved and backported (they're listed in the agenda) | 13:40 |
| sfinucan | We also need more work on documenting this feature for people (ongoing,sfinucan) and some additional functional tests (tbd) | 13:40 |
| moshele | johnthetubaguy: so the agenda etherpad covers all the current issues https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sriov_meeting_agenda | 13:40 |
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| sfinucan | For NUMA, the only big issues I know of are live migration. I _think_ ndipanov resolved most of these, but tbh I don't know what got merged in the end vs. what didn't | 13:41 |
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| moshele | sfinucan: do you have the bug at least? | 13:42 |
| sfinucan | moshele: One moment | 13:42 |
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| sfinucan | So there are two closely related bugs | 13:44 |
| sfinucan | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1417667 | 13:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1417667 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "migration/evacuation/rebuild/resize of instance with dedicated cpus needs to recalculate cpus on destination" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Nikola Đipanov (ndipanov) | 13:44 |
| sfinucan | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1289064 | 13:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1289064 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "live migration of instance should claim resources on target compute node" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Nikola Đipanov (ndipanov) | 13:44 |
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| sfinucan | But tbh, I don't know the status of these now so it might be best to leave this discussion until next week | 13:45 |
| sfinucan | ...when I can come back with a full report and we can decide who to take over this stuff (if anyone) | 13:46 |
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| moshele | sfinucan: ok, by the way the meeting is biweekly do you want to do it every week? | 13:46 |
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| moshele | anyone else? do you want to change it to weekly meeting? | 13:48 |
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| lbeliveau | every week is good with me as well | 13:49 |
| sfinucan | moshele: Yes, every week would be good | 13:49 |
| lbeliveau | there are no many tasks that need to be tracked that every week would make sense | 13:49 |
| moshele | ok I will update the irc-meeting | 13:49 |
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| sfinucan | ...at least while getting these priorities in order | 13:49 |
| moshele | agree | 13:50 |
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| lbeliveau | when PCI (and numa) gets more stable I guess it will become natural to do this every 2nd week | 13:50 |
| sfinucan | agreed | 13:51 |
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| moshele | So I will reorganize the https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sriov_meeting_agenda and send an update on the ML | 13:52 |
| moshele | is that cool | 13:52 |
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| lbeliveau | perfect | 13:53 |
| moshele | anything else? | 13:53 |
| sfinucan | sounds great | 13:54 |
| sfinucan | Bar getting eyes on those pinning bugs, nothing else from me | 13:54 |
| lbeliveau | good with me | 13:54 |
| moshele | ok cool, that it, thanks everyone for joining the meeting | 13:55 |
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| moshele | see you next week :) | 13:55 |
| sfinucan | ttfn | 13:55 |
| moshele | #endmeeting | 13:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 3 13:55:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-05-03-13.00.html | 13:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-05-03-13.00.txt | 13:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-05-03-13.00.log.html | 13:55 |
| efried | moshele, wznoinsk - can I eavesdrop on the CI discussion? | 13:55 |
| lbeliveau | bye | 13:55 |
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| moshele | efried: I want to talk to wznoinsk on the phone if that is possible | 13:56 |
| moshele | efried: do you need help with CI? | 13:56 |
| wznoinsk | give me 5mins | 13:57 |
| efried | moshele, I'd like to get a kind of bootstrap understanding of the setup and what's expected of a driver team attempting to support SR-IOV. | 13:57 |
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| efried | moshele: Basically: my driver team already owns its own CI env to run tempest against new patches that come in; does the fact that our driver plans to support SR-IOV mean that we also need to lay in SR-IOV hardware (expensive) and incorporate those tests into our CI? Or will it be sufficient to piggyback on... someone else's SR-IOV-supporting CI env? | 13:59 |
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| shardy | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 3 14:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shardy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:00 |
| shardy | #topic rollcall | 14:00 |
| jrist | o/ | 14:00 |
| shardy | Hi all, who's around? | 14:00 |
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| shadower | hey | 14:00 |
| sshnaidm | o/ | 14:00 |
| rhallisey | hi | 14:00 |
| trown | o/ | 14:00 |
| akrivoka | hello \o | 14:00 |
| derekh | o/ | 14:00 |
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| slagle | hi | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 14:01 |
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| pabelanger | o/ | 14:01 |
| dprince | hi | 14:01 |
| shardy | Ok, lets get started :) | 14:02 |
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| shardy | #topic agenda | 14:02 |
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| shardy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TripleO | 14:02 |
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| shardy | Anyone have any one-off items to add? | 14:02 |
| shardy | I added one re summit sessions, and trown has one re puppet packages | 14:03 |
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| trown | shardy: I think sshnaidm added one about tempest as well | 14:03 |
| jrist | shardy: can you just go over the status of the subteams? - I don't recall a final decision | 14:03 |
| * shardy refreshes ;) | 14:03 | |
| sshnaidm | shardy, trown yes, right | 14:03 |
| shardy | jrist: I don't think there has been one, other than to say it's fine to organize temporary teams around features | 14:04 |
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| beagles | o/ | 14:04 |
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| jrist | shardy: sounds good. thanks | 14:04 |
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| shardy | such as EmilienM has started for the composable roles work | 14:04 |
| shardy | (see openstack-dev thread) | 14:04 |
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| shardy | #topic one off agenda items | 14:04 |
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| shardy | #info (trown)Puppet modules from source or packages? (packages are now individual modules and work like every other dlrn package) | 14:05 |
| trown | #link https://trunk.rdoproject.org/centos7-master/report.html | 14:05 |
| shardy | trown: so we can switch over from the source elements now? | 14:05 |
| trown | we have puppet modules packaged individually now in our master trunk repo in RDO | 14:05 |
| slagle | trown: does that mean we can default to packages now? | 14:05 |
| trown | shardy: slagle that is my question :) | 14:05 |
| slagle | or that's what you're asking :) | 14:05 |
| shardy | trown: will this only be for master/Newton ? | 14:05 |
| slagle | heh, yea, just realized that | 14:05 |
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| trown | shardy: ya and moving forward | 14:06 |
| shardy | +1 for switching, should save us some time building stuff in CI | 14:06 |
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| slagle | i'd prefer to default to packages if we can, so it's consistent | 14:06 |
| shardy | we do still have the o-p-m issue for stable branches tho | 14:06 |
| trown | I have a patch up for tripleo-quickstart to use puppet from source, but it is a bit obsolete by this | 14:06 |
| shardy | I proposed one fix for that, but it needs revisiting as there was a preference for a different approach | 14:06 |
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| dprince | trown: where are the package sources? | 14:07 |
| dprince | trown: https://github.com/openstack-packages/ | 14:07 |
| derekh | shardy: it mightn't save us time building puppet modules, as we don't currently build any but +1 for consistency | 14:08 |
| trown | dprince: hmm good question... everything in RDO moved to review.rdoproject.org and https://github.com/rdo-packages/ but I dont see puppet there | 14:08 |
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| shardy | derekh: Yeah I meant all the dib stuff we do around modules | 14:08 |
| dprince | trown: before moving I would like to know where we push fixes, etc. given it would block us upstream potentially | 14:08 |
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| derekh | shardy: ack | 14:08 |
| dprince | trown: also, while I like the consistency I would sort of like the puppet modules to pave the way for us here | 14:09 |
| dprince | trown: in other words... do we plan on doing the same for the puppet-* CI jobs as well? | 14:09 |
| slagle | yea, before we switch, we definitely want to prove we're testing proposed patches to the puppet modules | 14:09 |
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| slagle | (building the test package via dlrn, etc) | 14:09 |
| shardy | Ok, should we follow up on this with some ML discussion, it sounds like we need to break it down into a few steps | 14:10 |
| shardy | ? | 14:10 |
| trown | +1 | 14:10 |
| dprince | shardy: yep, thanks | 14:10 |
| trown | just wanted to get some feedback on if the direction made sense | 14:10 |
| trown | or if there was some hard "we must use puppet from source" | 14:10 |
| shardy | #info direction to use puppet module packages agreed, more discussion re how to switch on ML pending | 14:10 |
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| shardy | trown: the main hard requirement is to keep Depends-On: $puppet-module-change working | 14:11 |
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| shardy | most of that should just work, but there's going to be some hacking on tripleo.sh at least | 14:11 |
| trown | shardy: ya, and if we can build with dlrn that should be fine | 14:11 |
| shardy | #info (shardy)Summit session retrospective | 14:11 |
| shardy | So, this item was just a request for feedback on how folks thought the sessions went | 14:12 |
| shardy | in particular the number and type of sessions | 14:12 |
| shardy | (to help when we're asked what we want next summit) | 14:12 |
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| shardy | Do folks feel we had about the right number of sessions this time, or too much/little? | 14:13 |
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| slagle | i think it was about right imo | 14:13 |
| shardy | I felt it was about right myself - some projects had a lot more, but we covered most of the major topics | 14:13 |
| dprince | shardy: I was happy with it. we could probably do with one more session though | 14:13 |
| slagle | our fishbwols and working sessions felt like the same format though | 14:13 |
| dprince | slagle: fishbowls get you a bigger room though :) | 14:14 |
| slagle | so perhaps making our working sessions more about "doing work" next time | 14:14 |
| slagle | (if we find that valuable) | 14:14 |
| shardy | Yeah, I thought the same thing - all of them were open discussion, which is good, but I'm not sure the fishbowls really encouraged participation | 14:14 |
| EmilienM | next time I'll give you sessions from puppet, we did not used them all | 14:14 |
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| dprince | + for more work sessions | 14:14 |
| bandini | +1 for more work sessions, yes | 14:15 |
| slagle | i guess our fishbowls felt kind of presentation-y and our work sessions were more like the traditional fishbowl | 14:15 |
| shardy | #info possbly more work sessions next summit, and consider a more granular agenda to enable "doing work" vs open discussion | 14:15 |
| gfidente | I think it'd be nice for fishbowls to come up with actual questions in the etherpad | 14:15 |
| slagle | so however we address that :) | 14:15 |
| gfidente | to which we try to find an answer before time runs out | 14:15 |
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| shardy | slagle: I felt the same, but it was mostly due to the size of the rooms vs the content I think? | 14:15 |
| derekh | I wouldn't be opposed to tripleo getting it own room Tuesday/Wednesday to do some side work sessions while we are all in the same place | 14:16 |
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| slagle | shardy: could be yea | 14:16 |
| shardy | #info investigate dedicated space for pre-meetup meetup | 14:16 |
| d0ugal | o/ | 14:16 |
| shardy | Ok, that's all good feedback, thanks - anything else before we move on? | 14:16 |
| gfidente | shardy, specific questions in the pads, not topic too generic | 14:17 |
| gfidente | or we end up with more confusion and not many action items | 14:17 |
| gfidente | I noticed you were indeed trying to sum up the action items yourself in multiple occasions | 14:17 |
| shardy | #info attempt to get more focussed questions ahead of sessions, and clear topic definition | 14:17 |
| shardy | gfidente: Yeah, I was happy to do that though, assuming folks found it useful | 14:18 |
| shardy | Ok sshnaidm , you're up next: | 14:18 |
| shardy | #info (sshnaidm) tempest passed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295844/ ... is tripleo-ci where the py code to generate tripleo.conf belongs to? | 14:18 |
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| sshnaidm | shardy, yes, thanks | 14:18 |
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| sshnaidm | My position is let's start from Ci to see hot it goes, then let's think how to do it in tripleo. What is good for CI is not always good for customer/developer, maybe we'll use completely different tools to configure tempest. So let's keep it in CI repo for now | 14:19 |
| sshnaidm | gfidente, ? | 14:19 |
| shardy | So, the issue here is that there's not one common way to configure tempest, right? | 14:19 |
| sshnaidm | shardy, yes | 14:19 |
| gfidente | yeah and we seem to want tripleoclient to do that | 14:20 |
| gfidente | because it already does dump some stuff, but that's clearly not enough | 14:20 |
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| shardy | Can anyone explain why there isn't e.g puppet support for it? | 14:20 |
| gfidente | so my point is that we *could* move that code in the tripleoclient | 14:20 |
| shardy | I personally would prefer we didn't hack all this into tripleoclient | 14:20 |
| gfidente | (or even tripleo-common) | 14:20 |
| dprince | shardy: that would imply we wanted it installed on the undercloud (always) | 14:20 |
| gfidente | yeah me as well | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | shardy: upstream puppet CI uses puppet-tempest. | 14:20 |
| dprince | shardy: I don't think of tempest as an undercloud only tool | 14:20 |
| shardy | dprince: well, you can run puppet elsewhere | 14:20 |
| sshnaidm | shardy, I wrote about puppet in openstack-dev, it's not good solution | 14:21 |
| dprince | shardy: sure, but we aren't providing a way to do that | 14:21 |
| shardy | dprince: do we have to though? | 14:21 |
| trown | EmilienM: that is not 100% accurate... upstream puppet CI uses puppet-tempest and a bunch of other steps to set it up | 14:21 |
| shardy | like, for CI purposes, and many operators, configuring it on the undercloud is OK | 14:21 |
| * dprince doesn't like the enable_tempest option in instack | 14:21 | |
| EmilienM | trown: puppet-tempest has in charge of tempest.conf management | 14:22 |
| shardy | Folks are still free to configure it $somewhere_else via whatever method they like | 14:22 |
| EmilienM | right ^ | 14:22 |
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| trown | EmilienM: there is a very thorough exploration of using puppet-tempest on the ML by sshnaidm | 14:22 |
| dprince | shardy: for the same reasons I didn't want people going and adding Ansible dynamic discovery to the undercloud. Because once you put it there everyone just shells into the undercloud for everything | 14:23 |
| trown | it is not so simple to use | 14:23 |
| EmilienM | trown: cool, so let's not use it, I don't mind; | 14:23 |
| gfidente | :( | 14:23 |
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| shardy | dprince: Ok, so perhaps we shouldn't configure tempest at all, and just implement a solution inside tripleo-ci? | 14:23 |
| sshnaidm | let me please to summarize a little, there is a patch with configure_tempest.py in CI repo which configure tempest and run tests: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295844/ , please look at it in your time, try it | 14:24 |
| gfidente | that is what the existing submission dows fwiw, and it works well as well | 14:24 |
| dprince | shardy: that, or I'd prefer a more "client" based solution. Which makes it more clear that you can install it anywhere... | 14:24 |
| trown | I am +1 to tripleo-ci in the short term, with the hope that tempest figures this out in the longer term | 14:24 |
| shardy | dprince: Ok, so you advocate the python client also acting as a local config generation tool | 14:25 |
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| dprince | shardy: I think that would make sense | 14:25 |
| * derekh is also happy to go with a tripleo-ci solution in the short term | 14:25 | |
| dprince | shardy: I'd almost say this sounds like a missing part of tempest | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | trown: I'm not sure it will happen, honestly | 14:25 |
| dprince | shardy: like a python-tempestclient or something | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | trown: this topic is on the table for very long time | 14:26 |
| shardy | personally I see this as pretty out-of-scope for python-tripleoclient, but it seems like a pretty non-tripleo-specific thing to have in our tripleo-centric client | 14:26 |
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| dprince | shardy: I'd prefer a more animated name... but at least that would tell people what it did | 14:26 |
| trown | EmilienM: ya, but that is clearly where it should be... | 14:26 |
| shardy | Ok, we may have to timebox this topic a little - can we vote on anything concrete here today, or does this need to continue on the ML? | 14:27 |
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| sshnaidm | let's vote? :) | 14:27 |
| trown | I think there is general positivity towards sshnaidm patch to tripleo-ci in the short term | 14:27 |
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| shardy | sshnaidm: vote on what exactly - that we're OK with adding this into tripleo-ci as a first step? | 14:28 |
| sshnaidm | shardy, yep | 14:28 |
| shardy | I'm +1 on that, as I think the *client discussion is much harder, and we'll commit to interfaces if we do that | 14:28 |
| shardy | Ok, lets move on | 14:30 |
| derekh | +1 also | 14:30 |
| dprince | tripleo-ci is a great first step | 14:30 |
| shardy | #topic bugs | 14:30 |
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| shardy | So I sent a ML message that I've started trying to clean up the bug backlog | 14:30 |
| shardy | I marked a lot of things incomplete which had been open a really long time without activity - but there's still a ton of old stuff in there we need to purge | 14:31 |
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| shardy | Any help purging the remaining old and now not relevant stuff would be much appreciated | 14:32 |
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| shardy | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo | 14:32 |
| shardy | Anything else bug related folks want to raise? | 14:33 |
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| sshnaidm | shardy, for this you need the permissions, right? | 14:33 |
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| shardy | sshnaidm: I created a tripleo-drivers group, which is currently only tripleo-core | 14:33 |
| derekh | shardy: so you want to to look through bugs a close what loks irrelevant? | 14:33 |
| sshnaidm | shardy, ok | 14:33 |
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| shardy | If non core folks want to help with bug triage that's fine, I can add you | 14:33 |
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| shardy | derekh: Yes, I'm trying to purge really old things not relevant to our current implementation | 14:34 |
| sshnaidm | shardy, I'd be happy | 14:34 |
| shardy | we had like 400 open bugs, and trying to targed what was relevent to Newton is basically impossible | 14:34 |
| * derekh will help out | 14:34 | |
| hewbrocca | There's something to be said for "close them all, if they're real someone will re-open them" | 14:34 |
| hewbrocca | Maybe that's a bit extreme... | 14:35 |
| beagles | I'll pick at them as well... | 14:35 |
| shardy | hewbrocca: That's kind of what I did, with a script that set everything pre-liberty incomplete with a message | 14:35 |
| beagles | we don't require permissions to mark as incomplete though do we? | 14:35 |
| EmilienM | shardy: we could organize a sprint of triage | 14:35 |
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| EmilienM | I did that with puppet team during summit | 14:35 |
| derekh | shardy: I closed a few the other day, its more time consuming then I thought but worth it | 14:35 |
| shardy | beagles: No, you don't, or even better invalid ;) | 14:35 |
| EmilienM | we splited the list of bugs, and did triage | 14:35 |
| beagles | shardy: ack | 14:35 |
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| EmilienM | we also had nearly 300 bugs | 14:36 |
| EmilienM | now, we have less than 50 | 14:36 |
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| shardy | EmilienM: Yeah, that's the sort of progress I'm hoping we can make - perhaps an organized bug day would be good, but lets try with a few folks helping out for now | 14:37 |
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| gfidente | wasn't the bot posting about untriaged bugs at some point? would that help spread the triaging over time and avoid this situation in the future? | 14:37 |
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| shardy | gfidente: It's not untriaged bugs, it's stuff that's been triaged then sat there for 2 years | 14:37 |
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| gfidente | oh from the non-puppet implementation as well then? | 14:38 |
| shardy | Also, I created newton milestones, so if folks can assign them to newton when triaging, that would be good: | 14:38 |
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| shardy | https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/newton-1 | 14:38 |
| shardy | that will make it easier to decide when is a good time to cut interim/milestone releases | 14:38 |
| gfidente | shardy yeah totally +1 on that | 14:38 |
| shardy | gfidente: Yes, exactly | 14:38 |
| shardy | Ok, unless there's anything else on bugs, shall we move on? | 14:38 |
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| shardy | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:39 |
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| shardy | So, slagle and I asked for some changes to the release tagging: | 14:39 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308236/ | 14:39 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308574 | 14:40 |
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| shardy | basically we'll be cycle-trailing to match what the puppet team is doing | 14:40 |
| shardy | and also assert that we follow stable branch policy, with interim releases | 14:40 |
| shardy | Feel free to add feedback on those if you'd like | 14:40 |
| shardy | Anything else release related to discuss? | 14:41 |
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| shardy | #topic CI | 14:42 |
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| shardy | derekh: did you want to give a summary of the plans wrt the CI racks etc? | 14:42 |
| derekh | We got bitten by new dependencies for paramiko on friday so CI was out for a few days, its mostly fixed now, but I think nodepool still wont be able to build is nightly F22 image, so that still needs looking at I think | 14:42 |
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| derekh | shardy: sure can do | 14:43 |
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| derekh | Basically the current plan is to move to RDO cloud before the rack move, | 14:43 |
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| derekh | then let RDO cloud absorb our HW | 14:44 |
| derekh | I'm not sure yet exactly how much quota we'll get before they take over our HW | 14:44 |
| shardy | derekh: do we have any data re how that's likely to impact our recent performance/capacity issues? | 14:44 |
| derekh | but we'll probably have to reduce are usage for a time | 14:44 |
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| shardy | Yeah, that's what I was worried about ;) | 14:45 |
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| derekh | performance - don't know | 14:45 |
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| shardy | We've had several discussions around optimizing for performance, e.g more memory, SSDs etc | 14:45 |
| derekh | capacity - reduced for a time, untill they redeploy our HW | 14:45 |
| hewbrocca | My response on this FWIW was | 14:45 |
| hewbrocca | leave the rack in place until RDO-cloud is really ready | 14:45 |
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| shardy | it'd be good to ensure we'll at least maintain comparable CI runtimes on the new cloud | 14:46 |
| pabelanger | I am also working on tripleo-centos-7 replacement slave for tripleo-fedora-22: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311721/ | 14:46 |
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| pabelanger | image is uploaded to tripleo cloud, but failing to boot ATM (missing AFS mirror). Have a patch to fix that | 14:46 |
| shardy | pabelanger: sounds good, thanks! | 14:46 |
| pabelanger | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312058/ | 14:46 |
| trown | derekh: do we have a date for the rack move? | 14:46 |
| slagle | i also hope to investigate using multi-node jobs in nodepool directly. if anyone wants to help with this, lets sync up | 14:46 |
| hewbrocca | trown: we've got options on the date | 14:47 |
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| hewbrocca | we can actually wait as long as next year | 14:47 |
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| derekh | hewbrocca: yup, just seeing your mail now, no need to rush the move but we have a Hard deadline | 14:47 |
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| derekh | trown: July 1st | 14:47 |
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| derekh | hewbrocca: ya, didn't know that? | 14:47 |
| trown | oh... then definitely +100 to not moving before we have at least some jobs running in RDO-cloud | 14:47 |
| derekh | hewbrocca: that changes things | 14:48 |
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| derekh | as far as RAM and SSD upgrades , we're waiting on orders to arrive, so that should be happening soon | 14:48 |
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| shardy | derekh: I guess my point was, if we do those upgrades, and the nodes are then added to RDO cloud, will we be able to get dedicated access to that pool of nodes | 14:50 |
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| hewbrocca | shardy: that would be the idea, yes | 14:50 |
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| shardy | hewbrocca: ack, sounds good then, thanks for clarifying | 14:50 |
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| shardy | Ok, anything else CI related before we move on? | 14:50 |
| derekh | pabelanger: ack, thanks | 14:51 |
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| derekh | Periodic jobs failed last night has anybody looked into it? Once we get it passing we can start using a cached overcloud images. | 14:51 |
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| dprince | derekh: not yet, but I will have a look afterwards | 14:51 |
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| shardy | #topic Specs | 14:51 |
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| shardy | So, perhaps we should change that topic to just "features" or something | 14:52 |
| pabelanger | dprince: derekh: likely related to static.o.o filesystem issue | 14:52 |
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| dprince | pabelanger: ack, will keep that in mind | 14:52 |
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| shardy | IMO we shouldn't enforce specs for all features this cycle, and we did agree a while back to try the spec-lite bug approach similar to how glance and other projects do it | 14:52 |
| shardy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bugs?field.tag=spec-lite | 14:52 |
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| shardy | I created the tag, so if you want to add a minor RFE, you can do it as a bug and tag it appropriately | 14:53 |
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| shardy | in particular it'd be good to capture a laundry-list of usability issues via this method | 14:53 |
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| slagle | if a spec-lite much different from a blueprint? | 14:53 |
| slagle | *is | 14:53 |
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| shardy | slagle: Not really, other than it's easier to have a discussion in a bug | 14:53 |
| shardy | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo | 14:54 |
| shardy | blueprints are also still fine, and I've targetted most of those which weren't expired/obsolete to newton | 14:54 |
| shardy | tbh I don't really mind what method folks use provided it's tracked somewhere, and targetted to Newton | 14:54 |
| slagle | shardy: ok, i filed one i'd like to tackle in newton: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo/+spec/undercloud-elements | 14:54 |
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| shardy | then we can reasonably see what's on the roadmap, and figure out how we're doing ref the backlog | 14:55 |
| slagle | hopefully that is uncontentious :) | 14:55 |
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| shardy | Ok, 5mins - anything else spec/feature related, or shall we go to open discussion? | 14:55 |
| beagles | I added a bp to add dvr support last night | 14:56 |
| shardy | Ok, I'll trage the new BPs today, thanks! | 14:56 |
| shardy | triage even | 14:56 |
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| shardy | #topic Open Discussion | 14:56 |
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| beagles | but it's kind of segue into the open discussion | 14:56 |
| shardy | Anything folks want to raise? | 14:56 |
| dprince | one new tripleo.org thing | 14:57 |
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| dprince | So I added a blogs page here | 14:57 |
| dprince | #link http://tripleo.org/blog-posts.html | 14:57 |
| rhallisey | I haven't finished any container specs yet. Will try and get them up soon | 14:57 |
| dprince | the idea being to highlight tripleo specific blogs | 14:57 |
| beagles | I've been asked about the composable roles changes and time estimates etc. | 14:57 |
| trown | slagle: for that instack-undercloud bp would we get rid of the puppet element eventually too? and just call puppet apply? | 14:57 |
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| trown | seems a bit weird to use DIB for just that one element | 14:57 |
| shardy | dprince: Nice, I'm doing a session summary from Summit which I'll probably blog and post to openstack-dev | 14:57 |
| beagles | dprince: nice | 14:57 |
| slagle | trown: likely, yea | 14:57 |
| dprince | need to iterate on figuring out how to better integrate it w/ planet.openstack.org but this is a start: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311910/ | 14:57 |
| trown | cool | 14:57 |
| slagle | trown: a bit further down the road probably | 14:57 |
| slagle | trown: then instack-undercloud wouldnt use instack :) | 14:58 |
| slagle | and we can declare success | 14:58 |
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| derekh | dprince: nice, should we come up with a list of potential blogging topics? | 14:58 |
| trown | slagle: lol ya, that is what I was thinking... a bit odd :) | 14:58 |
| dprince | shardy: nice, this is a way to crack the blogging whip a bit. On myself included | 14:58 |
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| dprince | derekh: yep, will do. Collaborative blogging man! | 14:58 |
| shardy | beagles: see the mail from EmilienM, there's a group of folks working on composable services, and I'm looking into ways to do fully composable roles via some template pre-processing | 14:58 |
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| beagles | shardy: yup... generally I think we are going to need some idea of how to set expectations for new things like the DVR for newton | 14:59 |
| slagle | dprince: the text boxes formatting is messed up | 14:59 |
| shardy | beagles: OK, let's continue in #tripleo | 14:59 |
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| beagles | shardy: and other services as well of course | 14:59 |
| dprince | slagle: sounds like a -1 to me :) | 14:59 |
| beagles | yup | 14:59 |
| shardy | Times up folks, thanks! | 15:00 |
| shardy | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 3 15:00:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| derekh | ttyl | 15:00 |
| slagle | dprince: hehe, yea, i'll check it out | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-05-03-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-05-03-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-05-03-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| hongbin | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 3 16:00:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-05-03_1600_UTC Today's agenda | 16:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
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| muralia_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| sheel | hi | 16:00 |
| rpothier | o/ | 16:00 |
| tango | Ton Ngo | 16:00 |
| madhuri | o/ | 16:00 |
| eghobo | o/ | 16:00 |
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| hongbin | Thanks for joining the meeting muralia_ sheel rpothier tango madhuri eghobo | 16:02 |
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| dane_leblanc_ | o/ | 16:02 |
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| Kuwagata | o/ | 16:02 |
| juggler | o/ | 16:02 |
| muralia_ | hi everyone | 16:02 |
| hongbin | Thanks for joining the meeting dane_leblanc_ Kuwagata juggler | 16:03 |
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| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
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| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/093548.html Austin design summit summary | 16:03 |
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| hongbin | The design summit finished | 16:03 |
| hongbin | We made several important decisions | 16:03 |
| hongbin | If you are not able to attend the summit, you can read the note (link above) | 16:04 |
| madhuri | Thanks hongbin for collaborating all the details | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | o/ | 16:04 |
| hongbin | Any comment for the design summit? | 16:05 |
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| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311476/ Magnum is going to change its mission statement | 16:05 |
| hongbin | I am going to cover that in a topic later | 16:06 |
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| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 16:06 |
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| hongbin | 1. hongbin revisit the unfinished mitaka blueprints (DONE) | 16:06 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/newton List of blueprints for Newton | 16:06 |
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| hongbin | That is the intial list of BPs for Newton | 16:06 |
| hongbin | We have a topic later to refine the list | 16:06 |
| hongbin | Any general comments for the Review Action Items? | 16:07 |
| hongbin | #topic Essential Blueprints Review | 16:07 |
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| hongbin | SKIP until next meeting | 16:07 |
| hongbin | Since most people just come back from the summit, we skip this topic | 16:08 |
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| tcammann_ | hello | 16:08 |
| hongbin | Starting from the next week, we would have the owner of hte essential BPs to give us a status update | 16:08 |
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| hongbin | tcammann_: hey | 16:08 |
| hongbin | #topic Magnum UI Subteam Update (bradjones) | 16:08 |
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| hongbin | Both Brad and Shuu Mutou are on vacation this week. I update you on behalf of Shu. | 16:08 |
| hongbin | According to decision that Magnum becomes COE as a Service, Magnum-UI should delete "Container" panel. | 16:09 |
| vilobhmm111 | hongbin : sounds like a good plan. Thanks for updating the blueprint with the action needed for them | 16:09 |
| hongbin | vilobhmm111: my pleasure | 16:09 |
| hongbin | Any comment for the update from Magnum UI team? | 16:09 |
| vilobhmm111 | hongbin : +1 makes sense since our direction will be more geared towards COE as a service | 16:10 |
| vilobhmm111 | for the UI | 16:10 |
| hongbin | yes | 16:10 |
| hongbin | #topic Other blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas | 16:10 |
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| hongbin | 1. Refine Magnum mission statement | 16:10 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311476/ The proposal | 16:10 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-mission-statement Etherpad for collaborating Magnum mission statement | 16:11 |
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| hongbin | I will pause for a few minutes for everyone to have a look on the etherpad | 16:11 |
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| spn | o/ | 16:11 |
| hongbin | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-mission-statement | 16:11 |
| hongbin | There are several good comments and suggestion there | 16:12 |
| hongbin | We need to review two things | 16:12 |
| hongbin | 1. The service name of Magnum | 16:13 |
| hongbin | 2. The mission statement of Magnum | 16:13 |
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| hongbin | For the service name, there are two popular choices | 16:16 |
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| hongbin | 1. Container Cluster Management Service | 16:16 |
| hongbin | 2. COE Management Service | 16:16 |
| hongbin | Let's debate these two choices | 16:16 |
| hongbin | Comments? | 16:16 |
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| madhuri | 2 is more appropiate but it is long name. | 16:17 |
| vilobhmm111 | I would prefer #2 as from the revised mission | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | I don't like COE in the name, as only those who know what Magnum is know what a COE is. | 16:17 |
| tango | Is COE a common terminology? | 16:17 |
| tango | I keep having to explain what it is | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | so the acronym should be expanded. | 16:17 |
| muralia_ | I like 1. we do manage the cluster, not just the COE. | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | COE was coned by this group. It's not widely known. | 16:18 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: We have the full name there | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | s/coned/coined/ | 16:18 |
| madhuri | So why not go with #1 | 16:18 |
| sheel | +1 for 1 | 16:18 |
| muralia_ | +1 for 1. | 16:18 |
| hongbin | My concern for #1 is that it might cause confusion | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | my preference is #1, but I don't strongly oppose the #2 | 16:18 |
| hongbin | between Magnum and COEs | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | magnum manages the cluster the COE runs on. The COE manages the application components. | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | I tried to convey that in the service description, but it's hard in just a few words. | 16:19 |
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| tango | So cluster refers to the infrastructure, while COE refers to the management software ? | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | tango: yes, sir. | 16:19 |
| tango | cluster is also an overloaded word, unfortunately | 16:19 |
| spn | container management service ? | 16:19 |
| vilobhmm111 | tango : +1 | 16:20 |
| juggler | spn that's what I was thinking... | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | spn: that's a step more ambiguous | 16:20 |
| spn | :) | 16:20 |
| juggler | is CMS too simplistic? :) | 16:20 |
| Kuwagata | +1 for #1 | 16:20 |
| hongbin | Yes, it is hard to say what "container cluster" refer to | 16:20 |
| hongbin | It might refer to a set of container hosts, or a set of containers | 16:20 |
| tango | "container infrastructure" ? | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | keep in mind that we can elaborate on the name on the project wiki page. | 16:21 |
| hongbin | #3 Container infrastructure management service | 16:21 |
| juggler | Container Infrastructure Management Service - CIMS .. hmm | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | which is where the public lands first to find out about the project. | 16:21 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: Yes, it is | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | the public is not looking at the projects.yaml file. That's for the OpenStack contributors, and participants in our governance process. | 16:21 |
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| hongbin | That is true | 16:22 |
| hongbin | Want a vote on the service name? | 16:22 |
| madhuri | Let's have a vote hongbin | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | so the choice today needs to be accurate, but it's okay if it requires additional reading to get a perfectly clear picture of our purpose. | 16:22 |
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| hongbin | Then, let decide the name by a vote | 16:23 |
| sheel | #3 sounds more closer to purpose | 16:23 |
| hongbin | There are 3 choices | 16:23 |
| hongbin | #1 Container Cluster Management Service | 16:24 |
| hongbin | #2 Container Orchestration Engine managment Service | 16:24 |
| hongbin | #3 Container infrastructure management Service | 16:24 |
| hongbin | #startvote | 16:24 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 16:24 |
| hongbin | #startvote Magnum service name? 1, 2, 3 | 16:24 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Magnum service name? Valid vote options are 1, 2, 3. | 16:24 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 16:24 |
| hongbin | #vote 2 | 16:25 |
| spn | #vote 1 | 16:25 |
| muralia_ | #vote 1 | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | #vote 1 | 16:25 |
| tcammann_ | 3 | 16:25 |
| sheel | #vote 3 | 16:25 |
| Kuwagata | #vote 1 | 16:25 |
| madhuri | #vote 3 | 16:25 |
| tango | #vote 3 | 16:25 |
| tcammann_ | #vote 3 | 16:25 |
| dane_leblanc_ | #vote 1 | 16:25 |
| coreyob | #vote 1 | 16:25 |
| juggler | #vote 3 | 16:25 |
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| hongbin | I will close the vote in a few seconds | 16:26 |
| hongbin | Last minutes vote? | 16:26 |
| eghobo | #vote 2 | 16:26 |
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| vilobhmm111 | #vote3 | 16:26 |
| hongbin | any more vote? | 16:26 |
| hongbin | #endvote | 16:27 |
| openstack | Voted on "Magnum service name?" Results are | 16:27 |
| openstack | 1 (6): coreyob, adrian_otto, dane_leblanc_, Kuwagata, spn, muralia_ | 16:27 |
| openstack | 3 (5): juggler, tcammann_, sheel, tango, madhuri | 16:27 |
| openstack | 2 (2): hongbin, eghobo | 16:27 |
| hongbin | The majority for #1 | 16:27 |
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| hongbin | But I have to count the core votes | 16:27 |
| sheel | results are not accurate | 16:27 |
| madhuri | There's a tie between 1 and 3 | 16:27 |
| sheel | i can see more votes for 3 | 16:27 |
| sheel | :) | 16:27 |
| hongbin | Yes, vilobhmm111 's vote is not counted | 16:27 |
| madhuri | vilobhmm111 voted for 3 | 16:27 |
| sheel | tcammann_: sheel madhuri tango juggler vilobhmm111 | 16:28 |
| hongbin | However, I need to count the votes from cores. Non-core votes are for reference | 16:28 |
| sheel | hah! | 16:28 |
| muralia_ | :) | 16:28 |
| hongbin | #3 have 4 cores | 16:28 |
| hongbin | #1 has 2 core | 16:28 |
| hongbin | #2 has 2 cores | 16:29 |
| vilobhmm111 | hongbin : that should not be the case imho; everyone's vote should matter ! | 16:29 |
| hongbin | So, the decision is #3 | 16:29 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, I will update the review today in accordance with that selection. | 16:29 |
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| hongbin | vilobhmm111: But we should not have all people to vote, otherwise, there will be too many people in the next vote | 16:29 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: thx | 16:30 |
| sheel | vilobhmm111: your opinon is counted, though indirectly... | 16:30 |
| tcammann_ | I don't think this is a big deal either way, we are all clear on our direction now regardless of the crazy acronym we choose :) | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | tcammann_: exactly | 16:30 |
| tango | tcammann_ +1 | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | none of those choices were bad | 16:30 |
| vilobhmm111 | hongbin : sure thats f9 | 16:30 |
| hongbin | OK, any concern for this topic | 16:30 |
| juggler | CIMS is a tad easier to say that CCMS, IMHO :) | 16:31 |
| juggler | than | 16:31 |
| sheel | exactly | 16:31 |
| hongbin | 2. Review the list of Newton blueprint | 16:31 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/newton | 16:31 |
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| hongbin | That is the initial list of BP for Newton | 16:32 |
| hongbin | If you have BPs that needed to be included, please let me know | 16:32 |
| muralia_ | I was going to add a new blueprint for HEAT template versioning, but after the summit discussion, I think it can be rolled up into the COE driver spec. What do you all of you think? | 16:33 |
| juggler | I think adrian_otto might have a spotty Internet connection.. | 16:33 |
| hongbin | muralia_: It looks majority agree not to version the Heat template | 16:33 |
| hongbin | muralia_: If that is confirmed, then the Heat template version is not needed | 16:33 |
| muralia_ | yes. that is the decision. i'll include some details in the COE driver spec. | 16:34 |
| hongbin | muralia_: thx | 16:34 |
| hongbin | In the list, there are 4 essential BPs | 16:35 |
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| hongbin | 1. Ironic support | 16:35 |
| hongbin | 2. Installation guide | 16:35 |
| hongbin | 3. User guide | 16:35 |
| hongbin | 4. Bay driver | 16:35 |
| hongbin | Any other BPs that you think are essential as well? | 16:35 |
| muralia_ | async apis | 16:35 |
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| hongbin | muralia_: ack. | 16:36 |
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| hongbin | For the aysnc APIs, what are others opinions? | 16:36 |
| hongbin | It should be essential? | 16:36 |
| hongbin | (Right now, it is high) | 16:36 |
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| madhuri | High io | 16:37 |
| hongbin | No objection? | 16:37 |
| madhuri | imo* | 16:37 |
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| hongbin | madhuri: ack | 16:37 |
| hongbin | muralia_: I think it should stay as high as well | 16:38 |
| muralia_ | sure. i how about a new blueprint for freezing the api to version 1.0 | 16:38 |
| hongbin | muralia_: It doesn't seem to be the feature that we cannot miss | 16:38 |
| hongbin | muralia_: thanks | 16:38 |
| hongbin | Any other comment for the Newton BPs? | 16:38 |
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| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 16:39 |
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| hongbin | sheel: I think you have a topic to bring up? | 16:40 |
| tango | Do we need to choose the mission statement? We only chose the name so far | 16:40 |
| sheel | hongbin: it was about https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/container-management-service | 16:40 |
| sheel | hongbin: I saw one mail for it.. so could we discuss on it about what is going to be in this ? | 16:41 |
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| hongbin | tango: my bad. We can continue the work in the etherpad or in the review | 16:41 |
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| tango | ok | 16:42 |
| hongbin | tango: I think either proposed statement is good | 16:42 |
| hongbin | tango: But that is for me only | 16:42 |
| hongbin | sheel: Yes I can | 16:42 |
| sheel | hongbin: actually i was interested in this | 16:42 |
| hongbin | sheel: In the Magnum design summit, we decided to push out /container endpoint to a new project | 16:42 |
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| hongbin | sheel: Magnum won't focus on container anymore | 16:43 |
| sheel | ok | 16:43 |
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| hongbin | sheel: Container Management will potentially go to a new project | 16:43 |
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| hongbin | sheel: Anything specific you want to ask? | 16:43 |
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| sheel | hongbin: ok, so it would be like moving existing code to new project under /container | 16:44 |
| sheel | right? | 16:44 |
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| spn | is there a name for the new project? | 16:44 |
| hongbin | sheel: No really, but move some functionalities out (that is my understanding) | 16:44 |
| hongbin | spn: Not yet | 16:44 |
| sheel | hongbin: yep right, I mean same... | 16:44 |
| sheel | :) | 16:44 |
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| sheel | hongbin: ok, updated name in etherpad | 16:45 |
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| hongbin | If no other topic, I would have the team to revisit the choice of mission statement | 16:46 |
| hongbin | There are 3 mission statements there | 16:46 |
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| hongbin | # 1 The one proposed by Adrian Otto | 16:47 |
| hongbin | #2 alternative 1 | 16:47 |
| hongbin | #3 alternative 2 | 16:47 |
| vilobhmm111 | link : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-mission-statement | 16:48 |
| hongbin | You could vote either mission statement if you want | 16:48 |
| hongbin | vilobhmm111: thx | 16:48 |
| vilobhmm111 | np | 16:48 |
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| hongbin | Any other topic to discuss? | 16:49 |
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| juggler | are we voting here or on the etherpad or holding the vote? | 16:50 |
| juggler | er postponing the vote | 16:50 |
| hongbin | juggler: Maybe postponsing the vote (if a vote is needed) | 16:51 |
| hongbin | OK. Let's wrap up. | 16:51 |
| hongbin | Thanks everyone for joining the meeting | 16:51 |
| hongbin | Our next team meeting will be at next Tuesday at the same time | 16:51 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 16:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 3 16:52:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:52 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-05-03-16.00.html | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-05-03-16.00.txt | 16:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-05-03-16.00.log.html | 16:52 |
| juggler | hongbin: ok! | 16:52 |
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