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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 9 14:00:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:00 |
| Yingxin | o/ | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:00 |
| _gryf | o/ | 14:00 |
| mriedem1 | o/ | 14:00 |
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| edleafe | Agenda for today's meeting: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaScheduler#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:01 |
| * bauzas waves | 14:01 | |
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| * edleafe is waiting for jaypipes to show up... | 14:01 | |
| bauzas | not sure I got the agenda | 14:01 |
| bauzas | do you want us to circle over those ? | 14:02 |
| edleafe | bauzas: I sent an email on Friday. You were on holiday, right? | 14:02 |
| bauzas | yup | 14:02 |
| edleafe | ok, no worries | 14:02 |
| bauzas | but I saw the email | 14:02 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs | 14:02 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: my point is that I can only see gerrit links | 14:03 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: not sure I see what you want us to discuss | 14:03 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: ah | 14:03 |
| edleafe | Well, I just wanted to keep those in view | 14:03 |
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| mriedem1 | i'm assuming request for reviews since they aren't approved | 14:03 |
| edleafe | if people had questions about them, they could review and ask here | 14:04 |
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| bauzas | okay, I'd prefer to see them rather in the etherpad | 14:04 |
| mriedem1 | generic-resource-pools is close, but cdent has some good questions in there for jaypipes | 14:04 |
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| * cdent nods graciously at mriedem1 | 14:04 | |
| mriedem1 | i didn't see allocations in the agenda, but seems it's holding up other things https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300177/ | 14:05 |
| mriedem1 | needs a rebase | 14:05 |
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| bauzas | tbc, I mean | 14:05 |
| bauzas | * will-i-am (~will-dono@10.10.51.252) vient de rentrer | 14:05 |
| bauzas | * pradk (~prad@ovpn-113-136.phx2.redhat.com) vient de rentrer | 14:05 |
| bauzas | <sylvainb> dansmith, received a blank report for the ceph failure rate, sir. | 14:05 |
| bauzas | <sylvainb> suspecting high noise on the radio transmission, sir. | 14:05 |
| bauzas | <dansmith> sylvainb: heh, yeah, I think it was halfway through the report when my computer suspended on friday.. the email came the instant I woke it up, and cron sent me a traceback separately | 14:05 |
| bauzas | argh | 14:05 |
| mriedem1 | i.e. there is a series that starts here and depends on allocations https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282442/ | 14:05 |
| edleafe | missed that one - thought allocations merged last week | 14:05 |
| cdent | mriedem1: dansmith and I need to come to terms on that one | 14:05 |
| bauzas | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:05 |
| bauzas | rather | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | As a random heads up, I added a draft spec for the sharding idea doffm was asking me about: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313519/ | 14:05 |
| * bauzas facepalms for Ctrl-X | 14:06 | |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300177/ - Move allocation fields | 14:06 |
| alex_xu | also worthing add claudiu's spec https://review.openstack.org/286520 it is related to qualitative. | 14:06 |
| mriedem1 | that etherpad is stale | 14:06 |
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| bauzas | mriedem1: ++ | 14:06 |
| bauzas | that's my point | 14:06 |
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| edleafe | there was a lot of distaste expressed for working in the etherpad. | 14:07 |
| bauzas | I wanted to do a spec review time, but https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking was bad for me | 14:07 |
| edleafe | should we revive it? | 14:07 |
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| bauzas | the consensus was to keep it until we found another better way, amirite ? | 14:07 |
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| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313519/ - Add distinct-subset-shard-scheduler spec | 14:07 |
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| bauzas | anyway, I don't want to nitpick | 14:08 |
| mriedem1 | i prefer to keep the newton-nova-priorities-tracking etherpad as small and focused as possible | 14:08 |
| cdent | I think the issue with the etherpad is "who is keeping it up to date" | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think the idea was to keep the etherpad for priorities, and keep it short | 14:08 |
| cdent | because we don't actually agree on what the priorities are | 14:08 |
| mriedem1 | so think of adding things in there that need to be approved this week, realistically | 14:08 |
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| cdent | so someone needs to be the boss | 14:08 |
| mriedem1 | from my pov, generic-resource-pools and allocations specs are top priority | 14:08 |
| bauzas | ++ | 14:08 |
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| mriedem1 | since those are the base patches in the queue, right? | 14:08 |
| edleafe | "boss" sounds almost like "bauzas", no? :) | 14:08 |
| cdent | edleafe++ | 14:09 |
| bauzas | I think jaypipes explained what was achievable for Newton | 14:09 |
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| mriedem1 | if we can get the quantitative stuff done for newton, it will be a miracle | 14:10 |
| edleafe | bauzas: so do you want to update the etherpad? | 14:10 |
| Yingxin | what's the state of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/host-state-level-locking | 14:10 |
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| Yingxin | is it worthwhile to continue the work to implement scheduler claim? | 14:10 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: someone needs to revival that spec | 14:10 |
| cdent | I agree with mriedem1, this is going a lot slower than anyone really wants it to, but I guess that's life. From my standpoint what I need to make significant progress is review _before_ stuff is done. | 14:10 |
| cdent | Otherwise will just end up at the end of the cycle with someone saying "oh whoops, you forgot..." | 14:11 |
| Yingxin | bauzas: I see it is already re-approved for newton | 14:11 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: well, I surely can, but the goal of etherpad is than anyone can :) | 14:11 |
| bauzas | that* | 14:12 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: oh nice | 14:12 |
| edleafe | cdent: yeah, approving a spec doensn't seem to ensure that it's sufficient | 14:12 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: of course, but since you brought it up... :) | 14:12 |
| bauzas | ack | 14:12 |
| mriedem1 | can we at least agree on the two priority specs in this meeting? is that generic-resource-pools and allocations? | 14:12 |
| * edleafe notes that bauzas new friday nick should be "boss" | 14:13 | |
| cdent | I think that's the right choice mriedem1 | 14:13 |
| edleafe | mriedem1: yep | 14:13 |
| mriedem1 | ok, so, | 14:13 |
| bauzas | mriedem1: that's my understanding post-Summit yes | 14:13 |
| mriedem1 | there are comments in generic-resource-pools, we just need jaypipes to address | 14:13 |
| mriedem1 | as for the allocations one, it needs a rebase, | 14:13 |
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| mriedem1 | but cdent - is there something coming out of the code reviews that needs to be addressed in the spec for that? | 14:13 |
| mriedem1 | i'm not sure what you and dansmith aren't agreeing on since i haven't reviewed those patches | 14:13 |
| dansmith | ...me either | 14:14 |
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| jaypipes | mriedem1: I feel like I have addressed endless comments on generic-resource-pools, but I will do another round right now. | 14:14 |
| cdent | sorry, mriedem1, I was talking about this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282442/, not the spec | 14:14 |
| dansmith | as far as I'm concerned, the first thing that needs to happen right now is moving the inventory to the api db before we make any more progress on allocations, right? | 14:14 |
| mriedem1 | jaypipes: i'm pretty much +2 on generic-resource-pools | 14:14 |
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| jaypipes | mriedem1: I had a full reset of all my puters this weekend. a real spring cleaning. unfortunately, I didn't get to review cdent's questions, which I will do right now and ignore the scheduler meeting. | 14:15 |
| mriedem1 | dansmith: i was going to bring that up also, | 14:15 |
| cdent | jaypipes: my latest comments are implementation related questions, not anything that ought to derail the main thrust | 14:15 |
| mriedem1 | because moving the inventory stuff to the api db is going to be a prerequisite for new things | 14:15 |
| dansmith | mriedem1: right | 14:15 |
| bauzas | I agree | 14:15 |
| mriedem1 | and not only for allocationsm, | 14:15 |
| mriedem1 | but also the aggregates work that doffm is doing | 14:15 |
| dansmith | mriedem1: unless I've missed something, I haven't seen that happen yet, so the rest seems moot until it does | 14:15 |
| bauzas | I also began to review the PCI related fixes | 14:16 |
| dansmith | mriedem1: well, the inventory stuff isn't in the way of aggregates, but it is in the way of allocations I think | 14:16 |
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| dansmith | in this vein, | 14:17 |
| dansmith | the keypairs spec and code is up.. a couple of nits on the spec now that I've written the code, but: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bp/cells-keypairs-api-db | 14:18 |
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| dansmith | I think I've avoided any touching of the reqspec in the process | 14:19 |
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| edleafe | So since we're on *specs* now, can we identify what blockers there are for the specs that need to get approved? | 14:19 |
| edleafe | We know that jay is working on addressing the latest comments | 14:20 |
| mriedem1 | for generic resource pools, yes | 14:20 |
| mriedem1 | for allocations, (1) spec needs to be rebased and (2) sounds like we need to migrate inventory to api db before doing allocations | 14:20 |
| bauzas | that's my understanding | 14:20 |
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| dansmith | yeah | 14:21 |
| dansmith | does the allocations spec now describe it as in the api db? | 14:21 |
| mriedem1 | and ftr, i don't think we need a new bp for migrating the inventory records, it could just be a work item in the allocations spec | 14:21 |
| edleafe | I can handle the rebase | 14:21 |
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| mriedem1 | dansmith: no | 14:21 |
| edleafe | #action - edleafe to rebase https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300177/ | 14:22 |
| mriedem1 | dansmith: i brought that up in the generic-resource-pools spec too, to be clear about which db the new table goes in | 14:22 |
| bauzas | dansmith: nope, not explicitely | 14:22 |
| jaypipes | mriedem1: do we need another spec for migration inventories and allocations tables to api db? | 14:22 |
| dansmith | mriedem1: yeah | 14:22 |
| mriedem1 | jaypipes: i don't think so | 14:22 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: no, just amending the allocation one | 14:22 |
| mriedem1 | jaypipes: just make it a work item in the allocations spec | 14:22 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: k, cool. | 14:22 |
| jaypipes | mriedem1: ++ | 14:22 |
| mriedem1 | "oh btw, migrate all of this crap first" | 14:22 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: I can add that when I rebase | 14:22 |
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| edleafe | So anything else we need to settle on specs? | 14:24 |
| Yingxin | jaypipes: alex_xu: what's the progress of capability spec series? does it also have priority in Newton? | 14:24 |
| mriedem1 | Yingxin: i think that is a long shot for newton | 14:24 |
| dansmith | loooong | 14:24 |
| mriedem1 | Yingxin: priority spec freeze is after the midcycle, | 14:24 |
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| alex_xu | okay, i guess so | 14:25 |
| jaypipes | Yingxin: edleafe is going to be working on specs in that series and trying to get a good game plan together for the qualitative side of the request. | 14:25 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: I'm adding some capability-related stuff, and yeah, it's going to be difficult to get into Newton | 14:25 |
| mriedem1 | so if by some chance we're looking nearly complete for quantitative by the midcycle, and have a good plan for qualitative at the midcycle, then maybe something will get in | 14:25 |
| Yingxin | yes, seems still need a lot of discussions for that | 14:25 |
| alex_xu | +1 | 14:26 |
| bauzas | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/resource-providers-standardize-extra-specs is kinda big deal | 14:26 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: I have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313784/ up already if you want to give your feedback | 14:26 |
| mriedem1 | bauzas: and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309762/ is a dependency for that | 14:26 |
| bauzas | I meant https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309762/ indeed | 14:27 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: fyi, claudiu updated his patch also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285856 looking for some feedback also | 14:27 |
| Yingxin | edleafe: thanks, will have a look | 14:27 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: thanks | 14:27 |
| mriedem1 | so how many specs do we have now for capabilities / extra specs? | 14:27 |
| mriedem1 | are they all competing? do some build on others? | 14:27 |
| mriedem1 | because at least jay, ed and claudiu have one now | 14:28 |
| edleafe | mriedem1: I think we're all looking at pieces of the elephant | 14:28 |
| Yingxin | mriedem1: I see lots of specs in the summit etherpad | 14:28 |
| edleafe | mriedem1: I'll work on tying them together to get a bigger picute | 14:28 |
| edleafe | picture | 14:28 |
| mriedem1 | edleafe: ok, yeah, that would be helpful | 14:28 |
| alex_xu | my one depend all of those thing https://review.openstack.org/298188, but i think that is thing we will think after looong works | 14:29 |
| mriedem1 | Yingxin: yes, lots of prior art here | 14:29 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: count on me if anything i can help | 14:29 |
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| Yingxin | edleafe: I'll work with alex | 14:30 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: sure, thanks | 14:30 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: great! | 14:30 |
| mriedem1 | so let's move on | 14:30 |
| edleafe | Yes, I think we all have a good direction for this week | 14:30 |
| edleafe | #topic Reviews | 14:31 |
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| edleafe | I put a few on the agenda | 14:31 |
| edleafe | Any issues with those that we need to discuss? | 14:31 |
| edleafe | Or any other reviews you want to bring up? | 14:31 |
| jaypipes | mriedem1: I had a good hangout with edleafe last week. He's going to focus on refining the specs and getting a clean roadmap in place for the capabilities things. | 14:31 |
| bauzas | I think we already discussed a lot on that :) | 14:32 |
| mriedem1 | these reviews seem like random adds, so unless there is a specific issue to discuss on them, let's move on | 14:32 |
| mriedem1 | they are all blocked on other thigns | 14:32 |
| mriedem1 | *things | 14:32 |
| cdent | since my names associated with those reviews, I'll just repeat what I said up above: I'd appreciate review long in advance of them being considered done | 14:33 |
| cdent | otherwise I'm down an unlit tunnel | 14:33 |
| cdent | all three of those are attached to the work items on the generic-resource-pool spec | 14:33 |
| edleafe | cdent: you'll bump intot he rest of us in that tunnel | 14:34 |
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| cdent | bring a candle edleafe and we can light the world | 14:34 |
| edleafe | So everyone - please give your feedback on those reviews | 14:34 |
| bauzas | moving on ? | 14:34 |
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| edleafe | #topic Opens | 14:34 |
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| edleafe | cdent has one: Someone please explain the logging issues to me as if I'm five | 14:35 |
| cdent | I simply don't get why people want that info? | 14:35 |
| mriedem1 | is that referring to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306647/ ? | 14:35 |
| edleafe | Here's what I'm understanding: Some operators need to be able to inspect the internal decisions of the scheduler filters and weighers in order to determine why their configuration isn't yielding the results they anticipated. | 14:35 |
| cdent | That part it appears to taken for granted or assumed, so I thought perhaps someone could, you know, light that candle | 14:35 |
| edleafe | mriedem1: zactly | 14:36 |
| cdent | edleafe: yes, but _why_? | 14:36 |
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| mriedem1 | cdent: because on the outside when scheduling fails you get NoValidHost | 14:36 |
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| mriedem1 | we don't expose something like, you're using numa filtering but there is no room to place this request on your x numa nodes | 14:37 |
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| edleafe | mriedem1: but the flip side is when scheduling succeeds, but doesn't pick the host they thought it would | 14:37 |
| edleafe | mriedem1: they want to understand that process, too | 14:37 |
| mriedem1 | yes, that's a more advanced ask from jlk, at least per my understanding | 14:37 |
| cdent | Are people trying to use scheduler behavior as a proxy for resource monitoring? | 14:38 |
| edleafe | we already expose which filters are removing the hosts | 14:38 |
| cdent | Or because they just want want be able to answer someone's questions? | 14:38 |
| * cdent is still five | 14:38 | |
| Yingxin | maybe notification is more helpful to see the claim decisions across compute-nodes | 14:39 |
| mriedem1 | cdent: in part it's the latter, simply explaining to someone why their boot request failed | 14:39 |
| mriedem1 | "The primary use case is when an end-user tries to perform an operation that requires scheduling an instance, and it fails. They then ask the Deployer why it failed, but there is no obvious failure reason in the logs." | 14:39 |
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| bauzas | the idea is to stack up the pile of errors so that it could eventually to a better consistent error story, also | 14:40 |
| cdent | It's not an error, though, right? | 14:40 |
| bauzas | and not just grepping all logs trying to figure out the sequence | 14:40 |
| mriedem1 | cdent: no, it's not | 14:41 |
| edleafe | cdent: that was my complaint | 14:41 |
| bauzas | well, it's technically not an error, yes | 14:41 |
| Yingxin | bauzas: ++ | 14:41 |
| edleafe | it's correct functioning | 14:41 |
| edleafe | they just want visibility into that | 14:41 |
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| mriedem1 | more like an audit log | 14:41 |
| mriedem1 | you requested x, | 14:41 |
| edleafe | mriedem1: +1 | 14:41 |
| mriedem1 | we processed through y, | 14:41 |
| mriedem1 | and ended up at z, which was a failure | 14:41 |
| bauzas | it's rather helpful log messages for operators wanting to reverse understand | 14:41 |
| mriedem1 | this spec is about dumping the decisions made while processing (y) | 14:42 |
| mriedem1 | w/o enabling debug logging | 14:42 |
| bauzas | yeah | 14:42 |
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| bauzas | which is a PITA for most operatoes | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, thats the key, debug logs when you need them, without needing debug all the time | 14:42 |
| bauzas | just unstack whenever you want | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, enough logs to find out what failed, without needing all debug logs | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | what failed, and why ^ | 14:43 |
| cdent | so accumulate info, but only dump if things go "wrong" (for various definitions thereof) | 14:43 |
| mriedem1 | correct | 14:43 |
| bauzas | at least, the idea is to provide an in-memory mechanism for that, not exactly what we'll do with it | 14:43 |
| bauzas | but lxsli had an oslo.log spec to make that in the right place | 14:44 |
| mriedem1 | the spec has gotten muddier because of more advanced requests for dumping all the time | 14:44 |
| mriedem1 | and filtering out certain logs | 14:44 |
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| mriedem1 | so now it's kind of a frankenstein of ideas | 14:44 |
| mriedem1 | and config options | 14:44 |
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| edleafe | design by committee? | 14:44 |
| cdent | should we maybe just shoot for the very basic and build from there, later? | 14:45 |
| cdent | accumulating and dumping is a nice start | 14:45 |
| mriedem1 | cdent: that's what i said last week | 14:45 |
| edleafe | cdent: well, the "only certain filters" was in response to concern about massive memory loads | 14:45 |
| cdent | yeah, but last week I was only 4, now I'm five | 14:45 |
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| mriedem1 | anyway, i still need to go through the latest revision where a 3rd config option was added | 14:46 |
| mriedem1 | i defer to johnthetubaguy and bauzas here given their experience with this problem | 14:47 |
| mriedem1 | as long as the default behavior fixes the base issue, i'm ok with it | 14:47 |
| bauzas | that's my point | 14:47 |
| bauzas | the spec is nice for adding a piling mechanism for logs in the scheduler, which is like #1 complaint for operators digging for an issue | 14:48 |
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| edleafe | cdent: any closer to being 6 yet? | 14:48 |
| cdent | edleafe: Getting close. | 14:48 |
| edleafe | OK, that's progress then | 14:48 |
| bauzas | my only concern would be then the memory footprint, but I don't expect much of that | 14:48 |
| cdent | yes, thanks to all of you | 14:48 |
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| edleafe | Any other opens? | 14:48 |
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| bauzas | at least, that's something that I will be super causcious in the implementation phase | 14:49 |
| * cdent wants a pony and a spaceship | 14:49 | |
| bauzas | just one point | 14:49 |
| bauzas | again about the check-destinations blueprint that has been accepted for Newton | 14:49 |
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| bauzas | code is partially up, and I beg for reviews | 14:50 |
| edleafe | bauzas: link? | 14:50 |
| bauzas | now, I'm biting into the trickiest part, ie. the API side of it | 14:50 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/check-destination-on-migrations-newton | 14:50 |
| bauzas | that's like operators #2 complaint I heard | 14:51 |
| bauzas | "why I'm running into trouble every time I'm providing a destination ?' | 14:51 |
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| edleafe | ok, everyone please review the check destinations patches from bauzas | 14:52 |
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| bauzas | and "why my hints are not persisted ?" | 14:52 |
| edleafe | Any other topics for opens? | 14:52 |
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| edleafe | OK, thanks everyone! Now start reviewing stuff!! | 14:53 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 9 14:53:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-05-09-14.00.html | 14:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-05-09-14.00.txt | 14:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-05-09-14.00.log.html | 14:53 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 9 16:00:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| johnsom_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for GheRivero, amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims, dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, haypo, | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, spamaps | 16:00 |
| gcb | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for sergmelikyan, sreshetnyak, sileht, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek, gcb, Nakato | 16:00 |
| amrith | ./ | 16:00 |
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| harlowja_at_home | howday | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | yo! | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | welcome to oslo, the place where all your dreams come true, lol | 16:01 |
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| sileht | o/ | 16:01 |
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| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:01 |
| johnsom | You ended up with the winning lottery ticket | 16:01 |
| jecarey | 0/ | 16:01 |
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| bknudson | time to make oslo great again | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | go trump :-P | 16:01 |
| gcb | lol | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anything from a liason to report? | 16:02 |
| dims | o/ | 16:02 |
| bknudson | none for keystone. | 16:02 |
| johnsom | Nothing to report in the LBaaS world | 16:02 |
| bknudson | we're going to need to bump requirment version for oslo.log and oslo.policy | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool, a bunch of releaes just happened (like all of them for oslo) | 16:02 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 16:02 |
| amrith | nothing from trove | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311812/ (all these just happened) bknudson | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, thx | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | flaper87, yo | 16:03 |
| bknudson | right, they were released but now we need to set the required version for oslo.log>=3.6.0 so we can use the new symbols. | 16:03 |
| amrith | harlowja_at_home, I would like to discuss https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.config/+bug/1577450 | 16:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1577450 in oslo.config "Allow transparent fallback to DEFAULT group" [Undecided,New] | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, kk, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311813/ is next in line | 16:04 |
| amrith | but maybe later in the meeting | 16:04 |
| bknudson | harlowja_at_home: ok, so it's proposed already. Thanks! | 16:04 |
| bknudson | harlowja_at_home: oh, that's upper-constraints. | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, sounds good, let's move that to a little later | 16:04 |
| bknudson | we still need global-requirements.txt updated. | 16:04 |
| rbradfor | o/ | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, yup, i think that happens after uc, like a 3-step process :-P | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, yo | 16:05 |
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| bknudson | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311813/ didn't go well. | 16:06 |
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| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, we need a ping list for oslo, and liasons (you get caught up and miss the start of the party) | 16:06 |
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| bknudson | and there's also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314168/1 which does the same thing | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, yes, +1 right now its in various places and i think maybe it'd be better to have the ping list in source control | 16:07 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, nova just uses wiki, you add/remove yourself. | 16:07 |
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| harlowja_at_home | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo has the base-template | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | maybe can just expand that/add it there rbradfor | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311813/ should be rechecked (it was proposed before the libraries were released) | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Releases for newton | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases for newton (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:08 | |
| harlowja_at_home | so just fyi for folks | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311812/ merged | 16:08 |
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| harlowja_at_home | it has most/all of the oslo libraries | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 16:09 |
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| harlowja_at_home | if any code was merged in the last week, it probably won't have those in it | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'll make a new update to requirements to catch up those later today | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | using my handy dandy https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308029/ thing for the release repo | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Austin summit | 16:11 |
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| harlowja_at_home | since this is our first meeting since the summit, i'd like to thank everyone for coming and bearing with me :-P | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | nice work organizing the summit sessions, most of them went quite smoothly | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | and to the family of Australians who came to (michael ...) | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, ^ ;) | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | ^ (that was a joke) | 16:12 |
| rbradfor | not really! | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093713.html | 16:12 |
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| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, how did I miss reading that email before? | 16:13 |
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| harlowja_at_home | to much awesome in one email | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | that's usually the answer, when to much awesome, people don't read? | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | so that thread has a bunch of little 'things to do' in it, which i've been trying to go through and get on | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | if people want to help (or i missed some to-dos) please feel free to respond/add your own | 16:14 |
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| harlowja_at_home | in an ideal world there would be a way to say have a top level 'newton work-items' and then link that to all the projects for these things discussed, but i don't think thats possible | 16:16 |
| bknudson | can't you do that in launchpad blueprints? | 16:17 |
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| dhellmann | there's some more discussion of task tracking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314185/1 | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | i don't think u can have cross project blueprints right? (like a top level one for newton summit work items and child ones in each project)? | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, nice, is storyboard ready for large adoption? | 16:18 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home : that's part of the discussion, I think | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | o/ Sorry I am late. | 16:19 |
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| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, ok, will put that on my reading list :) | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | jungleboyj, any cinder issues? | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | Not at the moment. :-) | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | kk :) | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | I have issues, but that is a different discussion. :-) | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | bunch of oslo libraries just got released, hopefully there won't be any new issues :-P | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | jungleboyj, ya, we can talk about those later, lol | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Newton specs | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslo-specs | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so there are a few new specs in there that it'd be nice for folks to start looking over | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | especially the policy ones (oslo.policy related and actual policy) | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312233/ | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | that one is hopefully some agreement on how new libraries can get created (in the larger community) | 16:22 |
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| harlowja_at_home | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288720/ from rbradfor would be nice also to finalize (so that we can have a more uniform deprecation process) | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | soooo if people want to do some reading, please read those (and others ) :) | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | and i'll give u a cookie if u do read them | 16:23 |
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| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, it would be good to discuss more the versionedobjects v debtcollector use cases as krotscheck was uncovering last week | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, agreed | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, shall we do that in the spec or here? | 16:24 |
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| gcb | just add me as reviewers of these two specs, where is the cookie lol | 16:24 |
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| rbradfor | the spec should cover it (incomplete now) its a discussion I'd also like to have, perhaps we can table it for next week. | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, let's see if perhaps we can update the spec with the situation, then see if people read it (and get cookie) and then we can discuss next week? that seem ok? | 16:26 |
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| rbradfor | ok | 16:26 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Oslo.config defaults for trove | 16:27 |
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| amrith | ./ | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, yo yo :) | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | the stage is yours | 16:28 |
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| amrith | thanks | 16:28 |
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| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:28 |
| amrith | the bug which was entered is ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.config/+bug/1577450 | 16:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1577450 in oslo.config "Allow transparent fallback to DEFAULT group" [Undecided,New] | 16:28 |
| amrith | so the situation is this ... | 16:28 |
| amrith | trove has many datastores | 16:28 |
| amrith | and we have config parameters for thing slike timeouts | 16:28 |
| amrith | we'd like to have a default (for something) | 16:29 |
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| amrith | and say the value is 900 | 16:29 |
| amrith | but give us the ability to override for some db | 16:29 |
| bknudson | keystone has some options like this, too. There's a default in the DEFAULT group and it's overridden in the driver. | 16:29 |
| amrith | and say make it 1200 or 120 or something | 16:29 |
| amrith | so you do that in your code; same as we do right now | 16:29 |
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| bknudson | yes, it's handled in the code | 16:29 |
| amrith | we look first in the specific db's seciton | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | right, seems useful (i thought this was the default configparser behavior in python, maybe not in oslo.config?) | 16:29 |
| amrith | and if not in default | 16:29 |
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| amrith | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/trove/tree/trove/common/cfg.py#n1407 | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | I wonder if there's a way to do this with interpolation values already | 16:30 |
| amrith | so this is what we have now | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | did we ever implement the change to let interpolation values express the group name? | 16:31 |
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| dhellmann | amrith : line 1424 refers to a variable that doesn't exist | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | oh, nevermind, I can't read | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | big comment block... | 16:32 |
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| dhellmann | anyway, I think you can do something like set the default for an option to '%(DEFAULT.foo)s' and it will look for the value | 16:32 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home : I have 3 pair. I need a new prescription. ;-) | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, maybe that would work for u, although i think u are wanting automatic fallback to the default group? | 16:33 |
| amrith | i see | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | sorry, wrong format '${DEFAULT.foo}' | 16:33 |
| amrith | so maybe what you do is setup each database specific thing to be ${DEFAULT.xyz} | 16:33 |
| amrith | and if you specify it in the config file, it takes that value | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.config/cfg.html#option-value-interpolation | 16:34 |
| amrith | if not it takes the default from the DEFAULT section | 16:34 |
| amrith | ok | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | right | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | or you could have a group called "default_connection_settings" or something instead of just DEFAULT | 16:34 |
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| amrith | thanks, let me give that a whirl. if it works, I'll closeout the bug. thanks dhellmann harlowja_at_home ... | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | np | 16:34 |
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| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Retirement policy | 16:36 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so something i just wanted to also get rolling, maybe volunteers out there want to help | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | but the idea is to have a understood (not tribal knowledge) about lib retirement | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | and the process involved there-in | 16:36 |
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| harlowja_at_home | for example, pylockfile would make a good use-case/example | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | anyone want to work on said policy? | 16:37 |
| rbradfor | Is retirement another word for deprecation (at a lib level) | 16:37 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i think its post-deprecation perhaps | 16:38 |
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| harlowja_at_home | like, u get deprecated first, then u go to retirement, then u ??? (nobody knows) | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | it could just be forever deprecated (at the lib-level) | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | but i'd also like for oslo not to be the cemetery of libs that have no owner | 16:39 |
| rbradfor | OpenStack has a policy to retire a project | 16:39 |
| bknudson | people complain if something is deprecated and unmaintained | 16:39 |
| rbradfor | #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/drivers.html#retiring-a-project | 16:39 |
| rbradfor | however this is likely not applicable for a library | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool rbradfor that's part of it i think | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, ya, although in the case of pylockfile, i haven't heard much of anything (complaints or other) | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | we should include a step in there somewhere for removing the library from our list of official projects | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, agreed | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | maybe after deprecation? | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | seems fair to me | 16:41 |
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| rbradfor | could you apply an approach similar to OpenStack were you create a new release that is the "Deprecated Notice", and the functionality is hobbled. | 16:41 |
| rbradfor | this causes uses to pin to a previous know library version | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, ya, that seems to be similar to what we did for pylockfile | 16:41 |
| rbradfor | it seems painful verses just leaving it as no more versions. | 16:42 |
| harlowja_at_home | we/me(?) put a big warning on https://raw.githubusercontent.com/openstack/pylockfile/master/doc/source/index.rst that says deprecated a while ago | 16:42 |
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| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, do you throw a warnings() message if it's used in this version with the deprecation README | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | hmmm | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | don't think i did add that | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | but that'd be a good thing to do | 16:44 |
| * rbradfor I have never used or even reviewed this project, so I'm just winging it | 16:44 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | nah, i think having a more concrete list of steps would be a good thing, including warning() and docs adjustments | 16:44 |
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| harlowja_at_home | and then retirement and then attic (or heaven or...?) | 16:45 |
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| rbradfor | so, I'm guessing one motivation here is just to retire a project to another home (i.e. outside of openstack projects, namespace, CI/CD etc) | 16:45 |
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| rbradfor | were do projects go now there is not -attic? | 16:45 |
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| dhellmann | wouldn't we just leave the mostly empty repo where it is? | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://github.com/openstack-attic should exist, i don't think any oslo libs have ended up there (yet) though | 16:46 |
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| bknudson | https://github.com/openstack-attic/oslo.version | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, look at that, ye olde oslo.version is there | 16:47 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anyways if anyone wants to work on formalizing the steps, that'd be cool, if not i'll eventually do it :-P | 16:48 |
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| dhellmann | it would be good to have that written down | 16:49 |
| harlowja_at_home | yup | 16:49 |
| bknudson | I'm surprised that oslo-incubator isn't in the attic | 16:49 |
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| dhellmann | we had some tools there that we were still using | 16:49 |
| harlowja_at_home | perhaps it should be (after we make a oslo-tools repo?) | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | although I might be the only user these days | 16:49 |
| harlowja_at_home | i use some of them to | 16:49 |
| harlowja_at_home | 2 users, lol | 16:49 |
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| harlowja_at_home | but maybe time to move tools elsewhere and put incubator in atti | 16:50 |
| rbradfor | I use incubator script it to sync my code. | 16:50 |
| harlowja_at_home | *attic | 16:50 |
| harlowja_at_home | 3 users | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | do we have time to talk about logger names? I'm not sure if all of the folks interested in that are here now. | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303581/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307873/ | 16:51 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Logger naming | 16:51 |
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| rbradfor | this is the . v _ namespace problems with oslo libs? | 16:51 |
| harlowja_at_home | this was about the tweaking periods right | 16:51 |
| dhellmann | when we got rid of the oslo namespace package, we said we would keep the loggers oslo.foo instead of renaming them, to support deployers who were using those names in their logging configs | 16:51 |
| dhellmann | that wasn't handled right, so now we're in a state where some libs use "." and some use "_" | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | we need to pick one, and then make oslo.log translate the names for the others somehow | 16:52 |
| bknudson | I hope the libraries aren't doing non-debug logging anyways | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | the issue is, some of our libs don't use oslo.log | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | so we can't just say "oslo.log will rename the logger you ask for" | 16:52 |
| harlowja_at_home | right | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | or even "oslo.log will rename the logger you configure" | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | since the configuration may be coming from an external config file that we don't read | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | so we need someone to puzzle through all of that and pick a direction | 16:53 |
| bknudson | doesn't sound safe to have oslo.log magically changing names | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | yeah, it would be better if it didn't | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | we may want to configure 2 loggers, though, so we get both oslo.foo and oslo_foo | 16:54 |
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| dhellmann | but only I think if the default logging level option is being used, and not if the config file is used | 16:54 |
| dhellmann | but then we also have to standardize on the naming scheme we use within the libraries | 16:54 |
| dhellmann | the simplest there for us would be to use getLogger(__name__) like everything else, but I have no idea how many logger names that is going to change | 16:54 |
| dhellmann | and before we start changing logger names we need reno set up for all of the libs so we can tell deployers about the change via release notes | 16:55 |
| dhellmann | I think we have it for a lot, but not all | 16:55 |
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| dhellmann | does anyone want to take that on? | 16:55 |
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| dhellmann | I don't know Kirill's irc nick | 16:56 |
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| rbradfor | so, if thinking end user impact, what happens if we choose one way, and a deployer uses the deprecated approach (logging just isn't set right as they thing) and they fix it. | 16:56 |
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| dhellmann | rbradfor : by "and they fix it" do you mean they fix their config file? | 16:58 |
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| bknudson | Can a library detect that someone set a logger and warn them? | 16:58 |
| rbradfor | yes, there is somewhere that can find info (release notes) and they update accordingly. | 16:58 |
| bknudson | Maybe just send a warning to the logger and if it's configured they'll see it. | 16:58 |
| dhellmann | I don't know. I think getLogger() creates the logger if it doesn't exist. | 16:59 |
| dhellmann | so sending a warning would cause that to always be emitted | 16:59 |
| dhellmann | rbradfor : yeah, ideally we wouldn't break things in the first place, but if it's going to break we definitely need to have a fix documented | 16:59 |
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| harlowja_at_home | is there any multiplexing logger that we can use that will just use both (the oslo. name and the oslo_ name) | 17:00 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home : I don't think we want that. We would end up with duplicate messages by default. | 17:00 |
| dhellmann | what we want is for our code to use one name, always, and then to do the best we can to morph any configuration for the other set of names into the "right" new names | 17:00 |
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| dhellmann | so if we decide to stop using "." then we need oslo.log to look at the option for default log levels and turn "oslo\..*" into "oslo_.*" | 17:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, i'd be nice to use the __name__ in all the code, minimize the renaming of __name__ -> something else as much as we can | 17:01 |
| dhellmann | or vice versa | 17:01 |
| lxsli | I guess you could save the handlers, formatter and level of "oslo_x" before loading log config, then if they change, config was reg'd | 17:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | how many projects can we cover by doing this in oslo.log and how many not ? | 17:02 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I resisted using the . because I thought folks might want to set log levels for all of oslo, but I think that's not really the case | 17:02 |
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| harlowja_at_home | crap we out of time, i just noticed | 17:02 |
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| dhellmann | ok, something to think about -- I can't drive it, but I can help | 17:02 |
| rbradfor | +1 for being consistent with always using __name__ | 17:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 17:03 |
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| harlowja_at_home | let's move this over to openstack-oslo (and any other items people want to talk about) | 17:03 |
| * dhellmann has another meeting | 17:03 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 17:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 9 17:03:35 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-05-09-16.00.html | 17:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-05-09-16.00.txt | 17:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-05-09-16.00.log.html | 17:03 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 9 20:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| redrobot | o/ | 20:00 |
| diazjf1 | o/ | 20:00 |
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| kfarr | o/ | 20:01 |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | not a whole lot of barbicaneers here today | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | as usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #topic Action Items from last meeting | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Items from last meeting (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:03 | |
| redrobot | actually, we didn't have any action items last meeting | 20:03 |
| redrobot | moving on | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #topic Secret User Metadata Quota | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Secret User Metadata Quota (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:04 | |
| redrobot | diazjf1 | 20:04 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:04 |
| diazjf1 | redrobot, so I added a patch that sets a quota for barbican user metadata | 20:04 |
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| panatl | o/ | 20:05 |
| diazjf1 | Now I was just thinking if it should just use the Project Quotas or should I make an new API for secret quotas. I'm thinking just to configure projects quotas | 20:05 |
| diazjf1 | See https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313788/5/barbican/common/quota.py | 20:05 |
| diazjf1 | I would need to change QuotaDriver and the Quota controller | 20:05 |
| diazjf1 | but the enforce is working based on config values | 20:06 |
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| diazjf1 | just need the API to work and was planning on doing that in a dependant patch | 20:06 |
| diazjf1 | dependent* | 20:06 |
| redrobot | diazjf1 so the question is if you should add a new quota value on the per-project quotas? Like metadata_quota or something? | 20:06 |
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| dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:06 |
| diazjf1 | redrobot, add a secret-based quota using the project-based quota model | 20:07 |
| diazjf1 | just configuring it | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | diazjf1 why do we need a per-secret quota? | 20:07 |
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| diazjf1 | for the secret metadata | 20:07 |
| alee | o/ | 20:08 |
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| diazjf1 | redrobot, we decided a few weeks ago that secretmetadata should be quoted by secret | 20:08 |
| maxabidi | o/ | 20:08 |
| redrobot | diazjf1 well, I think we need to have a quota for sure, but I don't think we need a new api ? | 20:09 |
| diazjf1 | redrobot, so what I will do then in update the QuotaDriver | 20:09 |
| redrobot | would it work if we just added a new quota type to the existing quotas api? | 20:09 |
| diazjf1 | redrobot thats what I was thinking | 20:10 |
| redrobot | ie, now we have secrets, orders, containers, consumers, cas. as the different types | 20:10 |
| redrobot | I think it would be similar to how we're handling the consumers quota | 20:10 |
| diazjf1 | redrobot see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313788/5/barbican/common/quota.py | 20:11 |
| diazjf1 | I'm thinking change "set_project_quotas", "get_project_quotas", etc. to allow for secrets as well | 20:12 |
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| redrobot | diazjf1 yeah, something like that | 20:12 |
| * redrobot needs to catch up on upstream reviews | 20:12 | |
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| diazjf1 | right now https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313788/5 is ready for review, I will make a dependent patch adjusting the API | 20:13 |
| redrobot | diazjf1 I still don't understand why we need a new api? | 20:13 |
| diazjf1 | redrobot, I wont do a new API was just wondering on your thoughts | 20:13 |
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| diazjf1 | since Secret-based is different than Project-based | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | diazjf1 I say look into whatever the consumers is doing, since consumers are applied at the per-container level | 20:14 |
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| diazjf1 | redrobot, awesome thanks:). I didn't realize that. | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | diazjf1 cool | 20:15 |
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| redrobot | #topic Blueprint: Deployer Secret Metadata | 20:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprint: Deployer Secret Metadata (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:15 | |
| redrobot | diazjf1 also yours? | 20:15 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301310/ | 20:16 |
| diazjf1 | redrobot, yup its ready to review and merge :) | 20:16 |
| redrobot | diazjf1 looks like it's already got 2x +2 | 20:16 |
| * redrobot merges it based on +2s | 20:16 | |
| diazjf1 | redrobot, yup waiting on the +A before I work on it | 20:16 |
| redrobot | diazjf1 done | 20:17 |
| diazjf1 | redrobot, perfecto | 20:17 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:17 |
| redrobot | #topic Blueprint: HSM fail-safe | 20:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprint: HSM fail-safe (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:17 | |
| redrobot | diazjf1 has a monopoly on topics today ;) | 20:18 |
| diazjf1 | redrobot, also me. Sorry to hog all the meeting time :/ | 20:18 |
| redrobot | diazjf1 no worries, nobody else added topics | 20:18 |
| diazjf1 | redrobot, haha | 20:18 |
| diazjf1 | So my plan is to rewrite the blueprints so that we have 1) for HSM retry and and 2.) Pool of failsafe HSMs | 20:19 |
| diazjf1 | my plan is to just to HSM retry | 20:19 |
| diazjf1 | and leave failsafe for O in case HA mode doesn't get better performance | 20:19 |
| diazjf1 | just wanted everyones thoughts | 20:19 |
| redrobot | diazjf1 sounds good to me | 20:20 |
| diazjf1 | redrobot, awesome | 20:20 |
| redrobot | diazjf1 just fyi jmckind (John McKenzie) is working on some changes to the pkcs#11 plugin so it can restart the connection when the client times out | 20:20 |
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| redrobot | I think he's close to pushing those changes... just keep an eye out so you can rebase on top of his stuff | 20:21 |
| arunkant | diazjf1 : Is this HSM retry expected to be plugin agnostic or will be applicable to pkcs11 and/or kmip ? | 20:21 |
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| redrobot | arunkant seems like something that is implementation specific for each plugin | 20:21 |
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| diazjf1 | redrobot, great news. arunkant, I was thinking just PKCS-11 | 20:22 |
| diazjf1 | jmckind, if you have any time to chat this week lmk | 20:22 |
| arunkant | diazjf1 : Okay... | 20:22 |
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| diazjf1 | redrobot, seems like jmckind is on the right track. I may not need a new spec depending on his change. I'll make sure to talk to him next time I see him online | 20:24 |
| redrobot | diazjf1 cool | 20:24 |
| redrobot | #topic Blueprint Reviews | 20:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprint Reviews (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:25 | |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/barbican-specs+status:open | 20:25 |
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| redrobot | we still have a few other blueprints in review | 20:25 |
| redrobot | arunkant I'm halfway through reviewing the multiple backend bp... I should be done today or tomorrow | 20:25 |
| redrobot | I updated the generic container blueprint as discussed during the summit | 20:26 |
| arunkant | redrobot: okay..will look forward to your comments.. | 20:26 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286318/ | 20:26 |
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| redrobot | any questions/comments regarding the blueprints in review? | 20:27 |
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| diazjf1 | redrobot, I'll review the container-put one. Just want to know who the assignee's will be since its TBD | 20:28 |
| redrobot | diazjf1 I'll probably end up working on it ... there's been a WIP patch for a long time for this feature | 20:29 |
| diazjf1 | redrobot, awesome, alright I'll take a closer look at it tonight | 20:29 |
| redrobot | diazjf1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207249/ ... but it will need to be rewritten for the updated spec | 20:30 |
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| diazjf1 | redrobot cool. I'll keep both in mind when I'm reviewing | 20:31 |
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| jmckind | o/ | 20:31 |
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| diazjf1 | jmckind, just the person I wanted to see | 20:32 |
| jmckind | yessir! | 20:32 |
| diazjf1 | jmckind, wanted to know about the PKCS-11 patch for retrying a session | 20:32 |
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| jmckind | I am doing the last bit of testing on it in our environment toddauy | 20:33 |
| jmckind | I feel like I should have it up this week | 20:33 |
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| redrobot | awesome | 20:34 |
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| redrobot | that's all we have on the agenda for today | 20:34 |
| diazjf1 | jmckind, cool add me as a reviewer when its up. I'd be happy to test it out | 20:34 |
| redrobot | #topic Open Discussion | 20:34 |
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| redrobot | anything else we should talk about today? | 20:34 |
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| jmckind | diazjf1, will do... | 20:35 |
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| redrobot | going once ... | 20:36 |
| alee | redrobot, have you set up those docs? | 20:36 |
| redrobot | alee I have not :( | 20:36 |
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| redrobot | alee I'll try to get it done this week | 20:36 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to work on install doc skeleton | 20:36 |
| alee | redrobot, ok - I'm waiting on that to add centos/rhel specific instructions | 20:36 |
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| redrobot | alrighty y'all | 20:42 |
| redrobot | looks like we get 20 min of our Monday back | 20:42 |
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| redrobot | thanks for coming, everyone! | 20:42 |
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| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 9 20:43:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-05-09-20.00.html | 20:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-05-09-20.00.txt | 20:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-05-09-20.00.log.html | 20:43 |
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| shamail | #startmeeting product working group | 21:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 9 21:03:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:03 |
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| shamail | hi everyone! | 21:03 |
| pchadwick | o/ | 21:03 |
| kencjohnston | o/ hi shamail | 21:03 |
| shamail | Who is here for the PWG meeting? | 21:03 |
| cloudrancher | o/ | 21:03 |
| MeganR | Hi! | 21:03 |
| KrishR | o/ | 21:03 |
| carolbarrett | o/ | 21:03 |
| shamail | #chair carolbarrett | 21:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: carolbarrett shamail | 21:03 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:03 |
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| shamail | This is the agenda for today | 21:03 |
| mkashyap | Hi | 21:03 |
| shamail | #topic Review Summit activities | 21:04 |
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| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Working_Session_AUS | 21:04 |
| shamail | We had a productive summit a couple of weeks ago | 21:04 |
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| shamail | You can find all the details in the linked etherpad | 21:04 |
| shamail | We discussed potential themes for the roadmap, workflow changes based on design summit session, and shared the user story tracker for feedback as well | 21:05 |
| shamail | For themes, we decided to add a few themes and I took the action item of revisiting our roadmap template to accomodate them | 21:06 |
| shamail | I hope to have a preview for discussion by our next meeting | 21:06 |
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| shamail | We also discussed doing a new “Design Series” webinar with PTLs to discuss how their design summit sessions went | 21:06 |
| KrishR | shamail: any initial thoughts on what those new themes could be? | 21:07 |
| shamail | KrishR: We had discussed adding Security and User Experience… plus modifying manageability | 21:07 |
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| shamail | Essentially user experience would include UX and any new user facing APIs | 21:07 |
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| shamail | and manageability would be used for operator-related feature enhancements | 21:07 |
| KrishR | shamail: thx | 21:08 |
| shamail | you’re welcome | 21:08 |
| shamail | I am trying to find the etherpad for the Newton Design Series | 21:08 |
| KrishR | in OSIC, we're using the term Simplicity to capture all operator related issues with deployment and manageabilioty | 21:08 |
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| shamail | KrishR: Nice, similar concept here… We decided to have an operator-centric theme and a consumer (user)-centric theme | 21:09 |
| shamail | In the past, both were bundled together | 21:09 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Newton_design_series_PTL_interview | 21:10 |
| shamail | This is the etherpad we are using to schedule the PTL interviews | 21:10 |
| pchadwick | Simplicity works for me. | 21:10 |
| shamail | We have all the same projects listed that were included in the latest release of the roadmap | 21:10 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 21:11 |
| kencjohnston | shamail - how do we signup to help perform these interviews? | 21:11 |
| shamail | Heidi Joy and I were asking for additional volunteers to help with the interviews. It would require minimal time commitment… essentially you would need to show up for the interview, conduct it, and then make a few slides summarizing the answers to the various questions | 21:11 |
| pchadwick | I can help | 21:11 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: Please add your name to the top in the “webinars hosted by” section | 21:11 |
| kencjohnston | shamail ok done. | 21:11 |
| shamail | You’re already on the volunteer list pchadwick | 21:11 |
| shamail | Thx kencjohnston | 21:11 |
| pchadwick | Also, do we need to update the themes to reflect what we just talked about. | 21:11 |
| shamail | I think Heidi Joy will send another email to the PTLs since we only have 5 signed up so far | 21:12 |
| pchadwick | shamail: thanks - I hadn't read that far | 21:12 |
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| shamail | pchadwick: Great point. I think we should… The themes in the design series are verbal… we will have to include a brief description at the bottom (line 70 in etherpad) | 21:12 |
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| shamail | Once we get more PTLs signed up, Heidi Joy will most likely send out calendar invites | 21:13 |
| shamail | If you have a preference based on your schedule.. please add your name next to the PTL’s | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | what is the goal for these interviews? | 21:13 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | roadmap update for each project? | 21:14 |
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| carolbarrett | If we use the updated themes, does that mean we should also create an updated roadmap with those themes? | 21:14 |
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| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: The goal is to create a video (5-10 min long) that gives a good overview of the project and what they are working on | 21:14 |
| shamail | Here is a past interview for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJr7fDr8rnc | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks | 21:14 |
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| shamail | These videos also get linked to the project in the project navigator | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | excellent on navigator link | 21:15 |
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| shamail | carolbarrett: I believe so… We do two refreshes of the roadmap and this data would be used for the post-summit refresh | 21:15 |
| shamail | I did update it last time with the interview data | 21:15 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: sounds good | 21:15 |
| shamail | i’ll share a new view for the roadmap next week and if we think it is reasonable then we can use it for the next refresh which will include the new themes | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do we reach out to PTL to sign them for a timeslot? or Heidi is doing it? | 21:16 |
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| shamail | #action shamail to share a roadmap view concept that can incorporate more themes by 5/16 | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | shall we agree on themes ofr Newton? | 21:16 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: The PTLs are self-registering for slots… we sent them an email asking them to sign up | 21:16 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Ok. In that case I will wait for a couple I am CPL for to sign in then I will add my name to the time slot | 21:17 |
| shamail | In the product WG working session we agreed that the themes would stay the same with the addition of two new ones (Security and User Experience) | 21:17 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 on new themese | 21:17 |
| shamail | I will summarize the new themes in the roadmap view, we can discuss them next week during the review | 21:17 |
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| shamail | The other major topic was our workflow | 21:18 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories | 21:18 |
| shamail | I have updated the wiki page to reflect our conversation during the working session on updates | 21:18 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | 'should new project come from Cross Project Spec? | 21:19 |
| shamail | the main update is that gaps analysis has been moved to its original location (before a cross project spec) and we will leverage CPSLs to determine the best course of action before submitting a cross project spec | 21:19 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | That is how we know that no projects wants to touch some of its part that require new project. | 21:19 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: No, it doesn’t have to. We are not modifying any established workflows and to create a new project today doesn’t require a cross project spec | 21:19 |
| shamail | The gaps/overlap analysis meeting will help us determine whether a cross project spec is needed or whether we can proceed with project level artifacts | 21:20 |
| shamail | If we find the new concept is out of scope for the project then we might need to create a new project | 21:20 |
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| shamail | This step of interlocking with CPSLs will help us ensure that we proceed with the best path based on the project teams preferences | 21:21 |
| shamail | Any questions on the workflow changes? | 21:21 |
| shamail | The next topic we discussed was the cross-project/user story dashboard | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do we document tools to help user story owner to track progress? | 21:22 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: can you please give an example? | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | upgrade requires work on each project so spec is create for each. | 21:23 |
| shamail | Ah, that information would be contained in the user story tracker | 21:23 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | But uuser story tracker box left to story owner to track them all. | 21:24 |
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| rockyg | o/ | 21:24 |
| shamail | We do have documentation on it but it needs to be updated. | 21:24 |
| shamail | Hi rockyg | 21:24 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: Yes, but most user story owners will only be tracking 1-2 stories | 21:24 |
| rockyg | hey. Sorry I'm late | 21:24 |
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| shamail | We have a different owner per story so the burden shouldn’t be overwhelming (hopefully) | 21:25 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | just want to have a pointer fomr this doc to the doc where we define how to track it | 21:25 |
| shamail | plus the PWG CPLs will help them get updates from a project perspective | 21:25 |
| shamail | makes sense | 21:25 |
| shamail | #action Update user story workflow wiki page to link to user story tracker overview | 21:26 |
| shamail | Thanks | 21:26 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | only if CPL is specifically tracking every spec & blueprint created for user stories we created. | 21:26 |
| shamail | The next topic we discussed was the cross-project/user story dashboard | 21:26 |
| shamail | #link http://104.239.130.200:9000/projectList | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | So far PTL onbly mention major blueprints. | 21:26 |
| shamail | We demonstrated this tool at the summit and the the community saw value in the concept but had concerns over whether we were creating a new tool for something that could be addressed by storyboard or phabricator | 21:27 |
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| rockyg | neither of which are yet in general use.... | 21:27 |
| shamail | This tool was created as a prototype to demonstrate the concept and we don’t have to necessarily keep this application if one of the other tools will suffice | 21:28 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | do we have pointers to all these tools? and are oyu going to do comparison? | 21:28 |
| shamail | correct rockyg, but there are already plans by infra to use them so we were asked to see if they could be used for our requirements as well | 21:28 |
| rockyg | If we could get storyboard to adopt this interface, I'd say let's go with storyboard. | 21:28 |
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| shamail | We do need to do a comparison… The main goal would be to see if the other tools could be populated with the necessary information and relationships to provide a similar tracking dashboard | 21:29 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:29 |
| shamail | Any volunteers? I volunteered at the summit but would be definitely appreciate help | 21:29 |
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| shamail | would definitely* | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | can we schedule for these tools owners to do demo for us? | 21:30 |
| rockyg | I think we should invite Zara, the current dev on storyboard, to join us in a discussion/show and tell, etc. session | 21:30 |
| shamail | There was a design summit session that I couldn’t attend that covered task tracking as well (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-infra-community-task-tracking) | 21:30 |
| rockyg | phabricator is an opensource package that Monty is most familiar with | 21:30 |
| shamail | rockyg: +1, Carol and I met with Zara and Adam at the summit. | 21:31 |
| shamail | Infra currently plans to use the UX and ticketing modules from Phabricator | 21:31 |
| shamail | no one has reviewed its issue tracking capabilities… I got a sandbox URL so we could play around with it | 21:32 |
| carolbarrett | I wonder if we can pull together Monty, Zara and Adam to collaborate on the analysis? | 21:32 |
| rockyg | great idea, carolbarrett | 21:32 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: I think that is a good group to validate our findings with… I think Zara and Adam would be great to collaborate with on the story board side…. I am not certain if Monty has used the issue tracking modules in Phabricator but I can find out. | 21:32 |
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| shamail | Any volunteers to help with this analysis? | 21:33 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks Shamail - we're going to need help from experts to complete this. | 21:33 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: +1 | 21:33 |
| carolbarrett | I'll partner with you on this | 21:33 |
| shamail | thanks! | 21:34 |
| rockyg | I have a great understanding of but tracking/issue tracking systems. Which is why I think LP sucks for it, but can look and see pluses, minuses and could use help in dtermining how it interfaces with tasks, etc | 21:34 |
| shamail | #action carolbarrett and shamail to develop analysis plan for user story tracking requirements and enlist help | 21:34 |
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| shamail | The big thing for us rockyg, I think, is the need to be able to build a hierarchical view of non-related artifacts | 21:35 |
| shamail | Alright, i’ll move on to the next topic | 21:35 |
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| shamail | pchadwick had suggested setting up a meeting between the roadmap sub-team and the OpenStack foundation to discuss themes | 21:36 |
| shamail | HeidiJoy: Hi! Any thoughts on this item? | 21:36 |
| shamail | OpenStack Foundation *marketing team | 21:36 |
| * rockyg thinks shamail's summary is concise, accurate and spot on for the major requierement. | 21:37 | |
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| shamail | thanks rockyg | 21:37 |
| pchadwick | At a minimum I would like to review the themes with the marketing team for input. | 21:37 |
| shamail | We can revisit the sync between marketing and the roadmap team | 21:37 |
| rockyg | #topic for agenda? | 21:37 |
| shamail | pchadwick: +1, I think it was a great suggestion | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 on pete. We need to be in sync on themes Product WG and foundation are using/driving | 21:37 |
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| shamail | rockyg: All of these items were covered under the “summit review” topic… in hindsight, could’ve been broken up further. My fault. :) | 21:38 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | np. | 21:38 |
| shamail | #topic Updates from user story owners | 21:38 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | do we have buy in from foundation on it? | 21:39 |
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| shamail | Any user story owners have updates from activiities at the summit? | 21:39 |
| shamail | we do Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:39 |
| HeidiJoy | Shamail - apologies, I keep getting pulled away. | 21:39 |
| shamail | np HeidiJoy | 21:39 |
| pchadwick | Workflow HA - we had a meeting to discuss the user story and also potential solutions. | 21:39 |
| pchadwick | /Workflow/Workload/ | 21:40 |
| shamail | pchadwick: Did the existing cross-project HA team see the user story as proposed? | 21:40 |
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| pchadwick | Yes | 21:40 |
| shamail | nice | 21:40 |
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| pchadwick | Adam Spiers on our team is pushing this along with Intel and NTT | 21:40 |
| shamail | Any resulting next steps or projected updates to the story? | 21:40 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | on refstack - we discussed it on devcore and refstack. They will refiew it formally. WIll update based on their feedback. they ask to chnage ttitle to better reflect the goal | 21:41 |
| pchadwick | I'll check with Adam next week - (we have our sales kickoff this week) | 21:41 |
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| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: +1, thanks. | 21:41 |
| shamail | np pchadwick, thanks for the update | 21:41 |
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| KrishR | we had a good Fleet Mgmt meeting - see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Fleet_Management | 21:41 |
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| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Fleet_Management | 21:42 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Team, can we choose a story per week and go thru reviews so we can merge it at the end of the week? We have stories lingering for a while now... | 21:42 |
| shamail | Awesome KrishR | 21:42 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | concentrated effort. | 21:42 |
| shamail | I see the next steps in the etherpad. Any changes required to the user story based on the meeting? | 21:42 |
| shamail | Good suggestion Arkady_Kanevsky, let’s discuss further in the next topic (opens) | 21:43 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | given the effort on Fleet Management - let's concentrate on it for a week. | 21:44 |
| shamail | For capacity management, I met with the cross-project quotas team working on DELIMITER. | 21:44 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Ken will have to do frequent updates based on feedback. | 21:44 |
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| KrishR | Kenny and I willr evise the user story after the next meeting with collaborators - thinking is first rev of Fleet Mgmt will implement a subset | 21:44 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | what is DELIMITER? | 21:44 |
| shamail | thanks KrishR | 21:44 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: It is the new library being built to support quotas in OpenStack, specifically started with nested quotas as the first objective | 21:45 |
| shamail | #link http://openstack-in-production.blogspot.fr/2016/04/resource-management-at-cern.html | 21:45 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 Krish | 21:45 |
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| shamail | Tim Bell sent us an email with his use-cases based on the call for white papers we sent out to the PWG mailing list | 21:45 |
| shamail | He turned it into a wiki post since Scientific WG has “accounting” as one of their top 4 priorities | 21:46 |
| shamail | I will be updating the capacity management user story based on Tim’s feedback by next week | 21:46 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: any updates on feature classification or standard config options? | 21:46 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I will update refstack story this week based on feedback | 21:47 |
| shamail | Thanks Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:47 |
| shamail | alright, we can move on to the last topic :) | 21:47 |
| shamail | #topic Open | 21:47 |
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| pchadwick | HeidiJoy: Did you get a chameleon? | 21:48 |
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| HeidiJoy | Sad trombone - no. :-) | 21:48 |
| pchadwick | hmm - will have to rectify that. | 21:48 |
| shamail | lol | 21:48 |
| HeidiJoy | <3 | 21:49 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky suggested putting a focus on one user story per week to foster discussions, reviews, etc. so we can close out concept validation phase on a few of the open ones. Thoughts? | 21:49 |
| rockyg | Sounds great. | 21:49 |
| shamail | I like the concept too | 21:49 |
| KrishR | +1 | 21:49 |
| mkashyap | +1 | 21:49 |
| MeganR | +1 | 21:49 |
| pchadwick | +1 | 21:50 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | shmail - pick a story | 21:50 |
| carolbarrett | +1 | 21:50 |
| shamail | #agree Add one user story to the agenda each week to make progress on concept validation | 21:50 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: I won’t pick one but I will quickly say NOT IT | 21:50 |
| shamail | (for capacity management) | 21:50 |
| rockyg | And post the agenda with story link at least one day before the meeting... | 21:50 |
| shamail | :-) We aren’t there yet with that one | 21:50 |
| shamail | Good idea rockyg | 21:51 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:51 |
| carolbarrett | +1 | 21:51 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: how do you recommend we do this? schedule or should any user story owner should just update the agenda when they are ready? | 21:51 |
| rockyg | Last to post "NOT IT" has to present? | 21:52 |
| pchadwick | not it | 21:52 |
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| MeganR | lol - excellent idea! | 21:52 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | any user owner who can dedicate time thru out the week should push his story into the bucket. | 21:52 |
| carolbarrett | How about we use the priorities we established to guide? | 21:52 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Leave it to Carol and/or Shamail to pull rabbit out of the bucket | 21:52 |
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| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: would you mind sending an email to the ML with this agreement and we can see if anyone volunteers? | 21:53 |
| shamail | Not all story owners are here today | 21:53 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 on priorities among ready stories | 21:53 |
| KrishR | kencjohnston: can we say we'll be ready week after next? | 21:53 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | correct. we will start next week. | 21:53 |
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| shamail | Awesome | 21:54 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | we have 14 stories in pipeline... | 21:54 |
| shamail | Alright | 21:54 |
| shamail | We’ll go ahead and call this a meeting. | 21:54 |
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| shamail | Thanks everyone! | 21:55 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks Shamail! | 21:55 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | bye you all | 21:55 |
| shamail | #endmeeting | 21:55 |
| cloudrancher | bye | 21:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:55 | |
| MeganR | Bye! | 21:55 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 9 21:55:10 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-05-09-21.03.html | 21:55 |
| pchadwick | ciao | 21:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-05-09-21.03.txt | 21:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-05-09-21.03.log.html | 21:55 |
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| rockyg | ttfn | 21:56 |
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| lifeless | haleyb: courtesy pong | 22:04 |
| lifeless | haleyb: bah, sorry. | 22:04 |
| lifeless | harlowja: courtesy pong | 22:04 |
| harlowja | sup | 22:04 |
| harlowja | ? | 22:04 |
| harlowja | i didn't do it | 22:05 |
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| lifeless | harlowja: just being silly :) - 04:00 < harlowja_at_home> courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, spamaps | 22:05 |
| harlowja | lol | 22:05 |
| harlowja | thx for the pong! | 22:05 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) | 22:07 |
| jungleboyj | One way to get people's attention. | 22:07 |
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