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| kei | ping hughhalf | 02:08 |
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| shintaro | hi | 02:11 |
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| kei | shintaro: hi. seems like hughhalf is not here now. can we just start the meeting or reschedule? | 02:12 |
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| shintaro | oh, I can wait but I'm okay to reschedule as well | 02:13 |
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| kei | shintaro: i was not able to join the main meeting today. i'll talk to hughhalf and setup another meeting maybe next week. i'm sorry about that. > all attendees | 02:18 |
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| shintaro | ok, bye for today then. | 02:23 |
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| moshele | #startmeeting sriov | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 10 13:00:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is moshele. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sriov)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sriov' | 13:00 |
| moshele | hi all | 13:00 |
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| lbeliveau | hello | 13:01 |
| gjayavelu | hi | 13:01 |
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| moshele | let wait for more people to join | 13:01 |
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| uli-k | hi | 13:01 |
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| lbeliveau | let me update the etherpad then ... | 13:02 |
| moshele | lbeliveau: ok | 13:02 |
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| moshele | ok let start | 13:03 |
| moshele | #topic Improving SR-IOV/PCI Passthrough CI | 13:03 |
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| moshele | so just an update regarding CI lennyb start work on moving the Mellanox CI to containers | 13:04 |
| lbeliveau | cool | 13:04 |
| lbeliveau | so the goal is to have at least two containers on the same server with multi-node devstack ? | 13:05 |
| moshele | but we don't have people for investing multi-node CI with SR-IOV/PCI | 13:05 |
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| lbeliveau | I can most likely contribute there, we want to fix it as well | 13:06 |
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| moshele | so are you planning to add another CI job for PCI with multinode? | 13:07 |
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| moshele | yonglihe: hi | 13:07 |
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| lbeliveau | looks like sfinucante has not joined yet, he was interested in this as well | 13:08 |
| lbeliveau | not us, we don't have a CI, but we want to contribute in stuff like writing tempest, etc. | 13:08 |
| moshele | yes and I think yonglihe maintain the pci intel CI | 13:08 |
| lbeliveau | yonglihe: what is your plan for multi-node CI testing ? | 13:08 |
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| moshele | lbeliveau: I guess is not here | 13:09 |
| moshele | anything else to add regarding CI? | 13:10 |
| lbeliveau | so what kind of help are you looking for ? | 13:10 |
| lbeliveau | can I help in the setup ? | 13:10 |
| lbeliveau | I wanted to try containers in my env, does documenting that would help ? | 13:11 |
| moshele | once lennyb will complete it we will share the doc | 13:11 |
| lbeliveau | ok, let me know if I can help | 13:12 |
| moshele | so I need an owner for PCI pass thought CI with multi node -it including third party CI to be commenting on nova | 13:13 |
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| lbeliveau | do you mean you need a CI or somebody to take care of it ? | 13:14 |
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| moshele | I need some to build CI environment on physical servers and maintain it | 13:15 |
| lbeliveau | yonglihe is probably the guy | 13:16 |
| moshele | I know but he doesn't come to the meeting :( | 13:17 |
| moshele | #topic Documentation | 13:17 |
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| moshele | so moving to documentions | 13:17 |
| lbeliveau | good progress there, a couple of them are already merged | 13:18 |
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| moshele | yes, I updated some of them in the ethearpd | 13:18 |
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| lbeliveau | thanks | 13:18 |
| moshele | but know I see that there are more :) | 13:18 |
| moshele | I will update them again after the meeting | 13:18 |
| moshele | so let keep reviewing each other patches. very good progress here | 13:20 |
| moshele | anything to add on Documentation? | 13:20 |
| lbeliveau | I don't think so | 13:20 |
| moshele | #topic Bug fixes | 13:20 |
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| moshele | ok so most of the pci cleanup patches are merged | 13:21 |
| moshele | also I just update the resize patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307124/ and in the basic scenario it working | 13:22 |
| lbeliveau | I saw that you uploaded a new revision, I'll have a look today | 13:22 |
| moshele | lbeliveau: I saw you comment on my patch and you have a good point | 13:22 |
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| moshele | lbeliveau: but I think that we will address it as a bug for now | 13:23 |
| lbeliveau | moshele: just wanted to make sure we don't forget about it, we can tackle it later in a new patch | 13:23 |
| lbeliveau | since I came up with the bug, can I fix it ? :) | 13:23 |
| moshele | beliveau: so I will just add to myself to open a bug once this patch is merged | 13:23 |
| moshele | sure | 13:23 |
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| lbeliveau | cool | 13:24 |
| moshele | lbeliveau: can you try me resize patch on you env | 13:24 |
| moshele | ? | 13:24 |
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| lbeliveau | will do, hopefully today, worst case tomorrow | 13:25 |
| moshele | so this paches don't update the pci_request in the db after migration | 13:26 |
| moshele | there is another patch that does it see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312028/ | 13:26 |
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| lbeliveau | ok I will have a look, was not aware of this patch | 13:27 |
| moshele | yes, we need it so we can save the new pci_request in instance_extra | 13:27 |
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| moshele | I review your Remove DictCompat from InstancePCIRequests object and it seem to break Intel CI | 13:29 |
| moshele | lbeliveau^ | 13:29 |
| moshele | so I guess it need more work | 13:29 |
| lbeliveau | yes, I fixed it by testing it on devstack, running tox at the moment, will push new revision soon | 13:29 |
| lbeliveau | thanks for that | 13:30 |
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| moshele | and also this patch is failing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310976/ on some unit tests | 13:31 |
| moshele | once you fix them I will move them to ready for core reviewer | 13:31 |
| lbeliveau | will have a look | 13:31 |
| moshele | is sfinucan around ? | 13:32 |
| lbeliveau | haven't seen him today | 13:32 |
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| moshele | I review some of his numa fixes, but I not familiar with the code | 13:33 |
| moshele | lbeliveau: are familiar with the numa stuff? | 13:34 |
| lbeliveau | moshele: yes a bit | 13:34 |
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| lbeliveau | I'll ask him to point me to them | 13:34 |
| moshele | lbeliveau: so he have like 2 small fixes there | 13:34 |
| lbeliveau | let me look | 13:34 |
| moshele | see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285321/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285232/ | 13:34 |
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| lbeliveau | I will review them | 13:35 |
| moshele | ok cool | 13:35 |
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| moshele | there are ndipanov leftovers patches, but I think we will split the work later on | 13:36 |
| moshele | anything else regarding bug fixes? | 13:36 |
| lbeliveau | yes, I think sahid is looking at them as well | 13:36 |
| moshele | even better | 13:37 |
| lbeliveau | I'm good | 13:37 |
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| moshele | #topic Open Discussion | 13:38 |
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| moshele | anything someone want to raise | 13:38 |
| lbeliveau | yes | 13:38 |
| lbeliveau | can you please review this bp: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304564/ | 13:38 |
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| lbeliveau | the idea is to first try to create sriov port but with image metadata, like it is done today with vif_model | 13:39 |
| lbeliveau | next step would be to supoprt it on boot command (not in image) ... | 13:39 |
| lbeliveau | the reason not to go straight to supporting vif_model on the boot command line is that some of the cores don't like the idea at all | 13:40 |
| moshele | lbeliveau: ok I will add it to the agenda and review it | 13:41 |
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| moshele | anything else? | 13:42 |
| lbeliveau | I'm good | 13:42 |
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| moshele | ok by everyone | 13:43 |
| gjayavelu | Hi, I'll be adding a spec on sr-iov support for VMware driver in a day or two | 13:43 |
| lbeliveau | ah, maybe just update the meeting page and the ics file to specify that the meeting is weekly | 13:43 |
| lbeliveau | gjayavelu: cool, please put it in the etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sriov_meeting_agenda | 13:43 |
| gjayavelu | would like to know the decision on CI. I heard at the summit a proposal for common CI. is that still true or should I setup one within vmware? | 13:44 |
| moshele | lbeliveau: already did https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312107/ | 13:44 |
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| gjayavelu | lbeliveau: sure | 13:44 |
| lbeliveau | moshele: my bad | 13:44 |
| moshele | gjayavelu: common CI are tools to help build your own CI | 13:45 |
| moshele | gjayavelu: we used the to build the mellanox CI | 13:45 |
| gjayavelu | moshele: ok | 13:45 |
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| moshele | gjayavelu: do you need help with setting CI system? | 13:46 |
| gjayavelu | moshele: I'll check with the team internally and get back. I believe there is already 3rd party CI running. | 13:47 |
| moshele | ok | 13:47 |
| gjayavelu | moshele: need to add one for sriov | 13:47 |
| moshele | so this is SR-IOV for vmware right? | 13:47 |
| gjayavelu | moshele: that's right | 13:48 |
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| moshele | is SR-IOV supported in with vmware driver? | 13:48 |
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| gjayavelu | moshele: not yet, I'll be adding a spec pretty soon. working on a poc too | 13:49 |
| moshele | you need help let us know | 13:49 |
| moshele | if you need | 13:50 |
| gjayavelu | moshele: sure! thanks! I'll keep you guys posted | 13:50 |
| moshele | ok I think we are done | 13:50 |
| moshele | #endmeeting | 13:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 10 13:50:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-05-10-13.00.html | 13:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-05-10-13.00.txt | 13:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-05-10-13.00.log.html | 13:50 |
| moshele | bye everyone | 13:50 |
| gjayavelu | bye | 13:51 |
| lbeliveau | bye | 13:51 |
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| shardy | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 10 14:00:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shardy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:00 |
| shardy | #topic rollcall | 14:00 |
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| jdob | o/ | 14:00 |
| shardy | Hey all, who's around? | 14:00 |
| tzumainn | hi! | 14:00 |
| dprince | hi | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 14:01 |
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| beagles | o/ | 14:01 |
| derekh | o/ | 14:02 |
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| shardy | Ok then, let's get started :) | 14:02 |
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| shardy | #topic agenda | 14:02 |
| shardy | * one off agenda items | 14:02 |
| shardy | * bugs | 14:02 |
| shardy | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:02 |
| shardy | * CI | 14:02 |
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| shardy | * Specs | 14:02 |
| rhallisey | hi | 14:02 |
| shardy | * open discussion | 14:02 |
| shardy | Anyone have anything to add to the one-off items? | 14:02 |
| shardy | there's one from me and one from beagles atm: | 14:02 |
| shardy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TripleO#One-off_agenda_items | 14:03 |
| shadower | hey (sorry for being late) | 14:03 |
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| shardy | hey shadower, np | 14:03 |
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| shardy | #topic one off agenda items | 14:03 |
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| shardy | beagles: Hey, do you want to cover your item first here? | 14:04 |
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| beagles | shardy: sure | 14:04 |
| shardy | #info bug tag for partial bug fixes | 14:04 |
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| beagles | I've been going through some of the older bugs especially the ones that are "in progress" | 14:04 |
| d0ugal | o/ | 14:05 |
| beagles | there have been patches landed as workarounds, but its not clear that they are needed any longer so I would like to tag bugs like this for now | 14:05 |
| beagles | so that we can go through and clean them as time and resources permit | 14:05 |
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| EmilienM | I like the idea, specially for things related to our CI | 14:05 |
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| shardy | there is already a CI tag, but +1 on having a possibly-obsolete-hack-workaround tag (naming to be determined) | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | ++ | 14:06 |
| shardy | anything that allows us to divide and conquer so we start purging old and no longer valid bugs gets my +1 :) | 14:06 |
| shardy | beagles: thanks for helping out here! | 14:06 |
| beagles | cool... I'm open to suggestions on the name. Naming is always the hardest part | 14:07 |
| beagles | shardy: np .. it's good stuff. Nice way to get some historical context on things | 14:07 |
| beagles | temp-workaround might be reasonably descriptive and not be as scary as "hack" | 14:08 |
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| beagles | anyways, that's that in a nutshell we can bikeshed on names later | 14:08 |
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| shardy | beagles: +1. or just "workaround" would be OK I guess | 14:08 |
| EmilienM | both wfm | 14:08 |
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| beagles | k | 14:08 |
| shardy | we can decide the name in #tripleo later, thanks! | 14:08 |
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| shardy | Ok next topic was midcycle plans | 14:09 |
| shardy | this was mentioned a couple of times recently, and I'd not considered organizing any f2f meetup this time | 14:09 |
| EmilienM | +1 | 14:09 |
| shardy | what do folks think, should we aim for some sort of virtual hackfest/meetup around the middle of the cycle? | 14:09 |
| beagles | +1 on virtual meetup | 14:10 |
| shardy | I could arrange a series of focussed topic video calls or something | 14:10 |
| marios | shardy: sounds good | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | +1 on using #openstack-sprint + videoconf if needed | 14:10 |
| shadower | yea better than traveling | 14:10 |
| ccamacho | +1 virtual meetup | 14:10 |
| shardy | obviously we can do that at any time, but it'd maybe be good to encourage some high-bandwidth discussion via some google hangouts or whatever | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | or you can come in Quebec and I can cook french cooking | 14:10 |
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| beagles | :) | 14:11 |
| slagle | +1 to virtual | 14:11 |
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| shardy | Ok, sounds like vague consensus, I'll start ML thread where we can decide the date and agenda | 14:12 |
| EmilienM | shardy: I can help you to start agenda | 14:12 |
| shardy | #info agreed to aim for virtual mid-cycle meetup, ML thread pending | 14:12 |
| derekh | I'm happy to go virtual if bnemec turns on his cam so we can see what kind of gestures he is making at the screen ;-) | 14:12 |
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| shardy | Any other one-off items before we continue? | 14:13 |
| bnemec | derekh: :-) | 14:13 |
| shardy | #topic bugs | 14:13 |
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| shardy | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 14:13 |
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| derekh | Current bug on trunk https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1580076 | 14:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1580076 in tripleo "Upgrades job failing pingtest with "Message: No valid host was found."" [Critical,Triaged] | 14:14 |
| derekh | causing all upgrades jobs to fail | 14:14 |
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| slagle | hmm, is that happening before of after the stack-update? | 14:15 |
| EmilienM | weird, I swear I saw pingtest working last night | 14:15 |
| shardy | There's also https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1580170 which looks like a puppet module version mismatch on liberty->mitaka upgrade, possibly need to get more info on that | 14:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1580170 in tripleo "overcloud upgrade liberty to mitaka failed" [Undecided,New] | 14:15 |
| slagle | i would assume after since other jobs are passing the pingtest | 14:15 |
| EmilienM | (I saw pingtest working *after* stack update last night) | 14:15 |
| slagle | i wonder if we have a real upgrades bug? | 14:15 |
| ccamacho | derekh, but not only affects upgrades, also (sometimes) creating the overcloud | 14:15 |
| derekh | slagle: after, I have a hunch this patch started the problem https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312300/1 but its just currently a hunch | 14:16 |
| ccamacho | Im trying to reproduce it creating the overcloud in my CI | 14:16 |
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| derekh | ccamacho: ok | 14:16 |
| derekh | slagle: yup, we may possible have found a real upgrades bug | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | derekh: why? | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | why 312300 ? do you have logs? | 14:17 |
| dprince | derekh: are you tested a puppet pin that uses keystone prior to that yet? | 14:18 |
| derekh | EmilienM: dunno, don't worry about it being that patch until I run some tests, its just a hunch based on the auth problem we're seeing, when the problem started and the timing of that patch | 14:18 |
| EmilienM | dprince: it's nova | 14:18 |
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| EmilienM | derekh: 5th may iirc | 14:19 |
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| ccamacho | derekh, agreed on the starting time for the issues | 14:19 |
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| EmilienM | derekh: it can't be this one, upgrade job passed at 2016-05-05 23:52:20 | 14:19 |
| EmilienM | and the puppet-nova patch merged at May 5 6:23 PM | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | source: http://tripleo.org/cistatus.html and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312300/ | 14:20 |
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| dprince | EmilienM: okay, either way I'd say lets test them both to see | 14:20 |
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| * EmilienM checks in tripleo logs to check we had the commit | 14:20 | |
| shardy | Ok, so it sounds like we've got enough eyes on this issue, are there any other bugs folks want to highlight? | 14:21 |
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| derekh | EmilienM: ok, btw I'm not suggesting we jump into reverting it or anything, just letting people know what my current train of thought was | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | derekh: wait, I checked in the logs, and this is the commit in puppet-nova that worked: https://github.com/openstack/puppet-nova/commits/b108a7c36bbc733b3aa90786540e978f5c0ec059 | 14:21 |
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| EmilienM | and we don't have the one you mentionned, so it's still a possibility | 14:21 |
| derekh | dprince: will try a temprevert, kindof tried something similar here but it didn't even get to the ping test https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314510/ | 14:22 |
| derekh | EmilienM: ack | 14:22 |
| shardy | Just a reminder to please target bugs when you triage them, e.g if it's an actual bug in TripleO pieces vs a CI fix | 14:22 |
| shardy | https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/newton-1 | 14:22 |
| shardy | Then we can burn down the open list for the milestone and know when it's a good time to release | 14:22 |
| dprince | derekh: I see. I should know to always check the "nothing to see" patches first ;) | 14:22 |
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| derekh | dprince: you should have learned by now ;-) | 14:23 |
| EmilienM | derekh: well, 314510 has same effect as temprevert... and it fails :( | 14:23 |
| derekh | EmilienM: ya but it didn't get as far as the ping test, | 14:23 |
| derekh | EmilienM: going to recheck now | 14:23 |
| dprince | derekh: lets recheck that on I think | 14:23 |
| shardy | and also ref the cleanup beagles has been helping with - please review the list of bugs raised by you, and close any ye-olde ones which are no longer valid | 14:24 |
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| derekh | dprince: done | 14:24 |
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| shardy | Ok shall we continue and defer further discussion re bug #1580076 to after the meeting? | 14:25 |
| openstack | bug 1580076 in tripleo "Upgrades job failing pingtest with "Message: No valid host was found."" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580076 | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | ++ | 14:25 |
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| derekh | +1 | 14:25 |
| shardy | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:25 |
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| shardy | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 14:26 |
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| shardy | So, I wanted to run a plan past you all for the n-1 milestone | 14:26 |
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| shardy | I was thinking it'd be good to do a coordinated release of all the tripleo pieces, based on a passing periodic CI job, around the time of the n-1 milestone (e.g in about 3 weeks time) | 14:27 |
| shardy | I'll probably write a script that can scrape the latest periodic CI pass and propose all-the-things to openstack/releases | 14:27 |
| shardy | then at any time, we can tag a release for a combination of things we know to work | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | just an FYI about puppet modules, we might produce a first newton release by end of this month | 14:28 |
| dprince | shardy: would be cool to display that on tripleo.org perhaps too. Maybe in the CI status page or something | 14:28 |
| slagle | shardy: once the releases were done, how would people consume them? | 14:28 |
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| derekh | shardy: your script can look at this file http://trunk.rdoproject.org/centos7/current-tripleo/versions.csv to see what version of each project is included (just FYI in case you didn't know) | 14:29 |
| slagle | just wondering how we'd be able to definitevely install a n-1 | 14:29 |
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| shardy | slagle: that's a good question - I've not yet figured that out - I was hoping we could wire up tripleo-quickstart to enable easily deploy for a given release | 14:29 |
| shardy | obviously we can also publish the delorean hash for the passing CI run | 14:29 |
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| shardy | but I was hoping we could get the tagged repos more directly consumable | 14:30 |
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| derekh | shardy: havn't seen trown around, I guess his wife had the baby, it could be a while before we see him | 14:31 |
| shardy | slagle: I guess I was focussing on the first step, which is to define a point-in-time release which we expect to work, and has a known bunch of features/bug-fixes in it | 14:31 |
| shardy | slagle: you're right, we need to then define and document how folks consume it | 14:31 |
| shardy | derekh: ah, cool | 14:31 |
| slagle | shardy: k, i think we could come up with something | 14:32 |
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| shardy | If folks are OK with the idea of milestone related releases, we can do that and figure out the consuming of it | 14:32 |
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| dprince | shardy: I always use trunk, but whatever :) | 14:33 |
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| shardy | Ok, lets table the release discussion and work it out over the next couple of weeks | 14:34 |
| shardy | anything else release related? | 14:34 |
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| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308236/ has some discussion re our stable branches FYI | 14:34 |
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| shardy | there's some resistance to our application for the follows-stable tag | 14:35 |
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| shardy | feel free to pitch in there if you have an opinion - I may start a ML thread on the same topic | 14:36 |
| shardy | #topic CI | 14:36 |
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| shardy | So, other than the upgrades job, any CI news to discuss? | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | yes | 14:37 |
| shardy | the newly discovered step removal aka "turbo" option? :) | 14:37 |
| dprince | shardy: Emilien is chopping some of the steps from deployment | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | yesterday I released puppet-ceph | 14:37 |
| slagle | all jobs now 7 minutes faster! | 14:37 |
| dprince | that should speed things up I think | 14:37 |
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| slagle | upgrades job now 14 minutes faster! | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | and we need to bump puppet-ceph to stable/hammer | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314311/ | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | I'm not sure this patch does what I want | 14:38 |
| shardy | Cool, well nice work on the optimization! :) | 14:38 |
| dprince | EmilienM: we aren't using stable for the other modules though? | 14:38 |
| EmilienM | and yeah, I'm also working on step6 removal https://review.openstack.org/314253 | 14:38 |
| derekh | Its a tripleo improvment though not just ci, I wouldn't like people thinking we just fixed something in CI | 14:38 |
| dprince | EmilienM: why puppet-ceph? | 14:38 |
| EmilienM | dprince: yeah but ceph is special | 14:38 |
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| shardy | I've been in discussion with zaneb and other heat folks, and it sounds like the heat memory usage issues are likely to be improved soon | 14:39 |
| EmilienM | dprince: not a lot of people are working on this module, and we found out tripleo can't deploy Jewel *right now*, so better to pin | 14:39 |
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| sshnaidm | I'd like you consider tempest for periodic nonha jobs, please: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297038/ | 14:39 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311837/ is the first step if you'd like to follow it | 14:39 |
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| dprince | EmilienM: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184844/ was an idea too | 14:40 |
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| slagle | shardy: was wondering if we should setup a periodic job to test with convergance? | 14:40 |
| slagle | shardy: what do you think our plans should be around convergance? do you think we could switch in newton? | 14:41 |
| EmilienM | dprince: should I update my patch or mine works too? | 14:41 |
| shardy | slagle: Probably not yet - I tested it locally quite recently, it makes the memory usage and DB utilization/timeout issues much, much worse atm | 14:41 |
| dprince | slagle: yeah, hearing about the memory usage of convergence at Austin was a bit concerning | 14:41 |
| slagle | i see, ok | 14:41 |
| shardy | slagle: I think we should probably wait for things to get optimized and configure for non-convergence at least until later in Newton | 14:42 |
| shardy | Heat may switch the default relatively soon, but IMHO the benefits don't yet outweigh the performance issues for the TripleO use-case | 14:42 |
| dprince | EmilienM: I'd just like to clarify what we are doing where. If we do it in your patch at the very least a comment explaining why. Initially I thought we'd have a separate element for this though. That was my point. | 14:42 |
| EmilienM | dprince: commit message is not enough? | 14:42 |
| dprince | EmilienM: #comment | 14:43 |
| EmilienM | kk | 14:43 |
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| shardy | slagle: we could set up a periodic job tho I suppose, or maybe an experimental job that we can try | 14:43 |
| dprince | shardy: the non-convergence path would eventually get removed though right/ | 14:44 |
| dprince | shardy: so we'd be on borrowed time to fully migrate over once heat switches? | 14:44 |
| shardy | dprince: eventually I guess, but there's no discussion of that happening anytime soon | 14:44 |
| shardy | it's not even deprecated yet, they'll switch the default, then we'd need *at least* two full cycles before anything got removed, I anticpate it being longer than that | 14:45 |
| EmilienM | shardy: what is the progress on dropping OPM rpm in stable jobs and use git? | 14:45 |
| shardy | EmilienM: I proposed an approach, but dprince had a preference for a different implementation - I've not yet had time to revisit, so it's still TODO | 14:46 |
| shardy | if anyone wants to pick that up, feel free | 14:46 |
| EmilienM | ack | 14:46 |
| shardy | we actually need to switch master to using the per-module delorean packages too ref trown's item last week | 14:46 |
| shardy | Ok, anything else re CI before we continue? | 14:47 |
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| derekh | Main thing I got to report is that it looks like we're going ahead with the HW upgrade tomorrow | 14:47 |
| derekh | I'll likely take the cloud down around 1pm UTC, and expect it down for about 12 hours | 14:47 |
| derekh | sshnaidm: once thats done, assuming it speeds things up even more I think we can start thinking about adding tempest to the period job | 14:47 |
| dprince | derekh: hope it goes well | 14:47 |
| sshnaidm | derekh, cool, thanks | 14:47 |
| shardy | derekh: nice - do you need any help or do you have the bringup post-upgrade covered? | 14:48 |
| dprince | I've got one thing that has to happen before the 14th as well. Very important | 14:48 |
| derekh | dprince: certs ? | 14:48 |
| dprince | We need a new SSL cert :/ | 14:48 |
| dprince | derekh: yep :) | 14:48 |
| * derekh meant to remind dprince last week, opps | 14:48 | |
| shardy | heh, good reminder :) | 14:48 |
| dprince | derekh: I got my own reminder. So its on the list | 14:48 |
| bnemec | Who needs certs when your cloud is down for upgrades? :-) | 14:48 |
| shardy | OK #topic Specs | 14:48 |
| sshnaidm | another topic - please comment my elastic-recheck related mail in maillist if you're interested | 14:48 |
| sshnaidm | sorry :) | 14:49 |
| dprince | bnemec: well, if it comes back up we'll need em | 14:49 |
| shardy | #topic Specs | 14:49 |
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| derekh | shardy: I think I'm got it handled, will ping people if I need extra hands | 14:49 |
| shardy | So, there's a ML message about two specs related to opnfv | 14:49 |
| shardy | would be good to get some eyes on those | 14:49 |
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| shardy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313871/ | 14:49 |
| shardy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313872/ | 14:50 |
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| shardy | I also added https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo/+spec/custom-roles to track the fully-composable model we discussed at summit, which those two will probably require | 14:50 |
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| shardy | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/094287.html | 14:51 |
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| beagles | fwiw, I don't think they actually know how the dpdk one is going to work out just yet. The SR-IOV one is "closer" in terms of reality at the moment | 14:52 |
| beagles | there are some non-tripleo related things to work out with respect to dpdk | 14:52 |
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| shardy | beagles: cool, please comment on the specs | 14:53 |
| beagles | yup | 14:53 |
| shardy | there's a lot of detail in both, but not that much clarity on the actual implementation AFAICT | 14:53 |
| shardy | Anything else spec related? | 14:53 |
| shardy | https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/newton-1 | 14:54 |
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| shardy | we only have two features on the n-1 list, so we should add anything we expect to land in the next 2-3 weeks | 14:54 |
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| shardy | #topic open discussion | 14:54 |
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| shardy | Sorry, only 5 mins left - anything to raise? | 14:54 |
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| dprince | shardy: I added a new spec too | 14:55 |
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| dprince | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo/+spec/remote-execution | 14:55 |
| dprince | The power there is really in the Mistral workflow bits... but the CLI work shows it nicely I think | 14:56 |
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| EmilienM | I like it, but I wondered about security here, and the capacity of running malicious software remotely | 14:56 |
| slagle | can we try and link etherpads tracking patches/reviews into the blueprints? | 14:57 |
| dprince | EmilienM: I'm using the same mechanism we use for Heat. So nothing new really I think | 14:57 |
| shardy | dprince: Nice, I saw that, looks good - it'd be interesting to see how that aligns with operator requests re e.g running ansible against a dynamic inventory generated by TripleO | 14:57 |
| EmilienM | if someone gets admin credentials, it's easy to run malicious software remotely | 14:57 |
| slagle | i noticed there were ones for composable services and mistral | 14:57 |
| slagle | etherpads, that is | 14:57 |
| slagle | but no one can find them | 14:57 |
| shardy | EmilienM: it's already easy to do that if you have credentials | 14:57 |
| marios | EmilienM: if you already have access to the pvt keys then you can do whatever you want anyway (e.g. from undercloud) | 14:57 |
| EmilienM | ok, I'm just highlighting, just in case. | 14:57 |
| EmilienM | slagle: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-composable-roles-work ? | 14:58 |
| shardy | slagle: good point, lets link them from the whiteboards on the blueprints | 14:58 |
| slagle | EmilienM: yes, pads like that | 14:58 |
| slagle | the link isn't discoverable unless you already know it | 14:58 |
| dprince | composable services is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-composable-services | 14:58 |
| slagle | lol, or we end up with 2 etherpads :) | 14:59 |
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| shardy | <facepalm> | 14:59 |
| slagle | qed | 14:59 |
| shardy | Ok, we're out of time - thanks all! | 14:59 |
| shardy | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 10 14:59:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-05-10-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-05-10-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-05-10-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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| tmorin | startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:06 |
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| pcarver | you forgot the # | 15:07 |
| tmorin | yes :) | 15:07 |
| tmorin | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 10 15:07:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:07 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:07 |
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| tmorin | too long between two meetings and the good habits are lost ;-) | 15:07 |
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| tmorin | hi everyone | 15:07 |
| tmorin | doude | 15:07 |
| tmorin | hi doude | 15:07 |
| tmorin | hi paul | 15:07 |
| pcarver | hi | 15:07 |
| tmorin | hi matrohon | 15:07 |
| tmorin | hi timirnich | 15:07 |
| matrohon | hi | 15:08 |
| doude | hi | 15:08 |
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| pabelanger | o/ | 15:09 |
| matrohon | pabelanger, hi newcomers :) | 15:09 |
| matrohon | pabelanger, interested in bgpvpn? | 15:09 |
| pabelanger | matrohon: no, tripleo-ci :) | 15:10 |
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| matrohon | pabelanger, it seems you're in the wrong room! | 15:10 |
| pabelanger | matrohon: I was going to just say that, sorry for the noise | 15:11 |
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| matrohon | tmorin, we have several topic to discuss today | 15:11 |
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| tmorin | let's start | 15:13 |
| tmorin | go ahead matrohon you seem to have an agenda in mind :) | 15:13 |
| matrohon | the main topic is the neutron-stadium evolution | 15:13 |
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| tmorin | yes, and we'll discuss what we'll do for newton afterwards | 15:14 |
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| matrohon | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312199/ | 15:14 |
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| tmorin | the part that relates to bgpvpn currently says: | 15:14 |
| tmorin | * networking-bgpvpn: the core team will have to: | 15:14 |
| tmorin | * adopt neutron-api, and neutron-lib; | 15:14 |
| tmorin | * complete docs, end-to-end testing, and demonstrate ability to upgrade; | 15:14 |
| tmorin | * move client side code to python-neutronclient and switch to OSC plugin; | 15:14 |
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| tmorin | the things that is hard to envision yet is neutron-api : the neutron-api project isn't fully defined yet | 15:15 |
| matrohon | well, I don't know if "adopting neutron-api" means we need to discuss about our current API | 15:15 |
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| tmorin | my assumption would be that what we have today would be an agreed starting point, and that only future evolutions would be coordinated via neutron-api | 15:17 |
| matrohon | neutron-lib is already leveraged by bgpvpn, but we have to run our UT on neutron-lib changes | 15:17 |
| tmorin | but I don't know | 15:17 |
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| matrohon | tmorin, ^I want to understand it this way too :) | 15:17 |
| tmorin | neutron-lib: we depend on it, but there are a few things we still import from neutron and that we should import from neutron-lib directly | 15:17 |
| matrohon | tmorin, it need improvement at the bgpvpn side so | 15:18 |
| tmorin | matrohon: on neutron-api, we can't assess the impact on us until the project is defined --> hard to upvote/downvote https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312199/ without knowing what neutron-api means | 15:18 |
| tmorin | yes, fully adopting neutron-lib will require a few changes, but mostly trivial changes I think | 15:19 |
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| tmorin | on neutron-api: I'll comment on the change about "we can't assess the impact on us until the neutron-aip project is better defined" | 15:19 |
| matrohon | tmorin, I'm not sure we will be able to completely get rid of our neutron dependency, though | 15:20 |
| matrohon | tmorin, +1 | 15:20 |
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| tmorin | no, I don't think we willl be able to, at least until "everything required for a service plugin" moves in neutron-lib, but I don't know if it is a part of the plan | 15:20 |
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| tmorin | this will be incremental I think | 15:20 |
| matrohon | another part that you didn't mentioned is the ability to upgrade seamlessly, which mean adopting oslo versioned object | 15:21 |
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| tmorin | another thing to discuss will be "demonstrate ability to upgrade": easy for the API/DB part (alembic), but more work for the bagpipe driver (how to handle evolution of the content of RPC) | 15:22 |
| tmorin | ^ yes | 15:22 |
| matrohon | neutron-lib plans to provide an api to help manipulating ovo for neutron | 15:22 |
| tmorin | but I haven't looked close enough to know if versionedobject gives the full answer | 15:22 |
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| matrohon | tmorin, that's what I understood at austin | 15:23 |
| tmorin | matrohon: would you have a link to share on this ? | 15:23 |
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| matrohon | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-lib-next-steps | 15:24 |
| matrohon | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093876.html | 15:24 |
| matrohon | ^ is more accurate | 15:24 |
| tmorin | thanks | 15:25 |
| * tmorin will need to do a bit of reading :) | 15:25 | |
| tmorin | other items are: | 15:26 |
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| tmorin | doc | 15:26 |
| tmorin | we are not starting from zero, but we know we can do better, this looks doable | 15:26 |
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| matrohon | so if we want to stay in the neutron-stadium, we have to highly prioritize those effort, considering the few developer we have on bgpvpn | 15:27 |
| tmorin | end-to-end testing: we have made good progress, and we'll need more tempest test to have a significant coverage | 15:27 |
| pcarver | tmorin: I still have the API docs on my todo list. After Tokyo I tried to figure it out but the docs on how to write API docs were a mess. It looks like that's improving. | 15:27 |
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| tmorin | pcarver: ok, it will be great if you can progress on that | 15:28 |
| enikher | hey | 15:28 |
| matrohon | armax is waking up, we can ask him about neutron-api! | 15:28 |
| tmorin | hi enikher | 15:28 |
| matrohon | hi enikher | 15:29 |
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| enikher | hey, I have 10 min left :-) | 15:29 |
| tmorin | enikher: part of the neutron stadium requirements consist in end2end test coverage | 15:29 |
| tmorin | I wanted to ask you if you had plans to write more tempest tests | 15:29 |
| enikher | not right now | 15:30 |
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| enikher | we had the plans for the next release but at the moment cause gluon work I don't have much time for that | 15:30 |
| enikher | however it should be quite stright forward to write some. What would help is a list of testcases we want to see | 15:31 |
| * tmorin :( | 15:31 | |
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| enikher | If we have that list, implementing is quite easy | 15:32 |
| tmorin | enikher: the two base test cases described in OPNFV SDNVPN (VM to VM pings) would be a good starting point | 15:32 |
| enikher | I can help with that | 15:32 |
| enikher | ok, these are bit tricky | 15:32 |
| enikher | api testing is much easier | 15:32 |
| enikher | but sure that end2end testing would be very nice | 15:33 |
| enikher | the testing framework has to be enriched for that | 15:33 |
| tmorin | enikher: that would get us closer to the goal, and this will help OPNFV side as well, won't it ? | 15:33 |
| enikher | I will not have time in the next month but maybe after that | 15:33 |
| enikher | yes it will | 15:33 |
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| tmorin | enikher: ok... | 15:34 |
| enikher | Let me come back to you in June. when is the deadline? | 15:34 |
| tmorin | no hard deadline, at least in the newton cycle for stadium things (as I understand) | 15:35 |
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| tmorin | but this is part of the things that would be nice to land for newton anyways, independently of what we'd need to comply with for the neutron stadium | 15:36 |
| tmorin | last item of stadium "compliancy list" would be "move client side code to python-neutronclient and switch to OSC plugin" | 15:36 |
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| tmorin | it's certainly easy to do technically, just "one more thing" to add to the list | 15:36 |
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| tmorin | we'll see when/if/how the neutron stadium proposal is accepted | 15:37 |
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| tmorin | ok, next topic ? | 15:37 |
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| tmorin | matrohon, had you something specific in mind ? | 15:38 |
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| tmorin | our discussion in Austin on what we can target for Newton are in the pad at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-bgpvpn | 15:38 |
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| matrohon | no specific thing, just to mention that it would a bad idea to start working on other topics than the one to stay in the neutron stadium | 15:39 |
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| enikher | sorry I have to go. | 15:40 |
| tmorin | bye enikher | 15:40 |
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| tmorin | matrohon: really ? I'm not sure: the things to do to stay in the stadium wouldn't have to be done in the newton cycle | 15:41 |
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| matrohon | we have till ocata-1! | 15:41 |
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| tmorin | yes, so we can balance what we target in newton: some things to get closer to stadium requirements, some things to extend "featues" | 15:42 |
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| tmorin | features | 15:42 |
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| tmorin | my take is that we should do the E-VPN part, and start the API work on port assoc/static routes/aggregation now | 15:43 |
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| tmorin | not sure yet how E-VPN is high on the list, but we can see | 15:44 |
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| tmorin | ok, what else to cover ? | 15:55 |
| tmorin | done for today it seems | 15:55 |
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| tmorin | more on what-to-do-for-newton and who-does-what next week! | 15:56 |
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| tmorin | bye everyone | 15:57 |
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| tmorin | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 10 15:59:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-05-10-15.07.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-05-10-15.07.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-05-10-15.07.log.html | 15:59 |
| hongbin | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 10 16:00:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-05-10_1600_UTC Today's agenda | 16:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
| sheel | Hi | 16:00 |
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| strigazi | Spyros Trigazis | 16:00 |
| madhuri | o/ | 16:00 |
| tango__ | Ton Ngo | 16:00 |
| spn | o/ | 16:00 |
| dane_leblanc_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| bradjones | o/ | 16:00 |
| jamie_h | o/ | 16:00 |
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| juggler | o/ | 16:01 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:01 |
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| hongbin | Thanks for joining the meeting sheel strigazi madhuri tango__ spn dane_leblanc_ bradjones jamie_h juggler adrian_otto | 16:01 |
| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
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| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2016-May/001103.html python-magnumclient 2.1.0 release | 16:02 |
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| hongbin | This is the first release based on request | 16:02 |
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| hongbin | Any comment? | 16:02 |
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| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 16:02 |
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| hongbin | None | 16:03 |
| hongbin | #topic Essential Blueprints Review | 16:03 |
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| hongbin | 1. Support baremetal container clusters | 16:03 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-baremetal-full-support | 16:03 |
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| hongbin | For this blueprint, the original assignee is Kennan | 16:03 |
| hongbin | However, I received an email from him that he is not able to own it anymore | 16:04 |
| hongbin | Therefore, we need a new owner for this one | 16:04 |
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| hongbin | This is a very important feature for Magnum (most people want to run containers on baremetals) | 16:04 |
| hongbin | If nobody want to take it, I will take it | 16:04 |
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| dane_leblanc_ | I'd like to help, but unfortunately have commitments until end of June. | 16:04 |
| tango__ | I will help also, it's important for us | 16:05 |
| hongbin | dane_leblanc_: ack | 16:05 |
| strigazi | I 'll help too | 16:05 |
| spn | hongbin: Ì can work with you and help | 16:05 |
| dane_leblanc_ | Can help part time for now | 16:05 |
| hongbin | Thanks all | 16:05 |
| tango__ | maybe you can list the TODO and people can jump in | 16:05 |
| strigazi | +1 | 16:05 |
| hongbin | Let's find an owner | 16:06 |
| hongbin | The owner should coordinate efforts from other contributors | 16:06 |
| hongbin | Who want to own that BP? | 16:06 |
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| hongbin | (note: owner don't have to do the job, but coordinate the efforts) | 16:06 |
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| strigazi | I have many bp already, but I can try | 16:07 |
| hongbin | strigazi: thx | 16:07 |
| hongbin | strigazi: I will assign it to you | 16:07 |
| strigazi | ok | 16:07 |
| hongbin | strigazi: Again, you don't have to be the one who do the work | 16:07 |
| strigazi | ack | 16:07 |
| hongbin | strigazi: I think tango__ spn dane_leblanc_ will interest to help out | 16:08 |
| spn | strigazi: I can help | 16:08 |
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| strigazi | spn: thx | 16:08 |
| hongbin | spn: thx | 16:08 |
| hongbin | Any further comment for this BP? | 16:08 |
| hongbin | 2. Magnum User Guide for Cloud Operator (tango) | 16:08 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/user-guide | 16:09 |
| hongbin | tango__: status? | 16:09 |
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| tango__ | I resumed working on this after a pause for the Summit, currently working on the storage section | 16:09 |
| tango__ | I added a place holder for bay driver | 16:09 |
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| tango__ | will start writing it as outlined in the spec for now, so we have something to update as we proceed with the implementation | 16:10 |
| tango__ | The other sections in the guide will cover the supported bay drivers: Kubernetes, Swarm, Mesos | 16:10 |
| strigazi | tango: I think this can actually help the implementation | 16:10 |
| tango__ | I would expect new bay drivers to have their doc to supplement the guide | 16:11 |
| hongbin | yes | 16:11 |
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| tango__ | I will also start consolidating other docs into the guide, like TLS, ... | 16:11 |
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| hongbin | tango__: thx | 16:12 |
| tango__ | As usual, any help from the team is welcome | 16:12 |
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| hongbin | tango__: In particular, which part you need help from the team? | 16:12 |
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| tango__ | The BP list some of the sections that has no content yet | 16:12 |
| hongbin | tango__: ack | 16:12 |
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| tango__ | for instance, HA | 16:13 |
| strigazi | The documentation team told me that we can publish under docs.openstack with no details on that, but I have a contact | 16:13 |
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| tango__ | Sounds good, I will follow up with you | 16:13 |
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| strigazi | ok | 16:13 |
| hongbin | Any other question for Ton? | 16:13 |
| jamie_h | is this spec separate from API documentation? | 16:13 |
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| tango__ | I think API doc should be separate, since it's for a different audience | 16:14 |
| hongbin | I think it is separated | 16:14 |
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| jamie_h | ok | 16:14 |
| hongbin | There is a WIP patch for leveraging Swagger for API docs | 16:14 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303235/ | 16:15 |
| hongbin | Sync with yuanying if you interest | 16:15 |
| hongbin | 3. COE Bay Drivers (Jamie Hannaford) | 16:15 |
| hongbin | jamie_h: any update? | 16:15 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/bay-drivers | 16:16 |
| jamie_h | i've been busy last week, but hope to restart things tomorrow | 16:16 |
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| jamie_h | there's been a lot of feedback, which i almost entirely agree with. i have a few questions though | 16:16 |
| wangqun_ | o/ | 16:16 |
| hongbin | wangqun_: hey | 16:16 |
| wangqun_ | hi | 16:16 |
| hongbin | jamie_h: Yes, I think the spec is almost ready | 16:16 |
| jamie_h | should the spec dictate what lives inside the version.py manifest file? its structure etc | 16:17 |
| jamie_h | or leave that up to the implementor | 16:17 |
| hongbin | jamie_h: I think it is up to you | 16:17 |
| hongbin | jamie_h: I think the spec don't have to address all the details | 16:17 |
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| tango__ | We can go back and update the spec also as needed | 16:17 |
| hongbin | jamie_h: So, just outline the design is good enough for me | 16:18 |
| jamie_h | ok, sounds good | 16:18 |
| hongbin | Any question for jamie_h regarding the Bay driver BP? | 16:18 |
| hongbin | 4. Create a magnum installation guide (strigazi) | 16:19 |
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| strigazi | The proposed spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301284/ to move Big Tent projects from the install guide to repos owned by project teams has been merged. A new spec for the install-guide has been created for Newton https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310588/. The intention is to move from "one install-guide to rule them all" to installation tutorials, many, or a few. For example, debian con | 16:19 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-installation-guide | 16:19 |
| strigazi | tent (with debconf https://wiki.debian.org/debconf) will be moved in a separate tutorial. Additionally, quite a few people in the design summit were in favor of installation instructions from source. | 16:19 |
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| strigazi | In https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310588/, a template will be created, which can be followed by project teams. Magnum will have installation instructions in its repo and that content will be published in docs.openstack.org. The exact publishing location for Big Tent projects hasn't been determinted, yet. | 16:20 |
| strigazi | We can start by adding my WIP in our repo | 16:20 |
| hongbin | strigazi: Yes, that would be great | 16:20 |
| strigazi | Which is done and tested for rdo and ubuntu | 16:20 |
| strigazi | Do you think we should have a spec? | 16:21 |
| tango__ | +1. I have been trying it out on Ubuntu | 16:21 |
| strigazi | Thing might change, since the documentation team makes changes | 16:21 |
| hongbin | strigazi: I don't think we need a spec for writing the doc | 16:21 |
| strigazi | s/thing/things | 16:21 |
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| strigazi | We can have two, one for packaged installations and one from source | 16:22 |
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| strigazi | since magnum is under active development from source makes sense | 16:22 |
| hongbin | WFM | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | I agree that we don't need a spec for this. | 16:23 |
| hongbin | Yes, just get everything landed in the fastest way | 16:23 |
| strigazi | ok | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | let's just resubmit the doc for merge under the magnum source tree | 16:23 |
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| strigazi | I'll remove obs and debian | 16:24 |
| hongbin | strigazi: thx. Any other comments regarding to the installation guide BP? | 16:24 |
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| adrian_otto | is there a problem with the debian packaging? | 16:24 |
| strigazi | I haven't tested it | 16:25 |
| strigazi | debconf is a lot diffrent | 16:25 |
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| hongbin | It looks other projects don't have debian in their documentations | 16:25 |
| strigazi | I makes things easier thow if you know what you're doing | 16:25 |
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| hongbin | Any other comments? | 16:26 |
| strigazi | We can point debian users to the packages and to the install from source, until we are ready | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | If we have guidance and it's just not tested for debian, I suggest including it and marking it as untested. | 16:26 |
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| strigazi | ok | 16:26 |
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| hongbin | OK. Let's advance topic | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | the more installation options operators have, the more adoption we are likely to see. As folks try it, they can let us know what works and what doesn't | 16:27 |
| hongbin | #topic Magnum UI Subteam Update (bradjones) | 16:27 |
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| hongbin | bradjones: any update from the UI subteam? | 16:28 |
| bradjones | both shu & I have been on vacation since summit so nothing new | 16:28 |
| bradjones | hoping some of the new bps will get picked up this week | 16:28 |
| bradjones | so should be more next week | 16:28 |
| hongbin | bradjones: Thanks Brad | 16:28 |
| hongbin | Any question for Brad? | 16:28 |
| hongbin | #topic Other blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas | 16:29 |
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| hongbin | 1. Review Magnum mission statement | 16:29 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311476/ The proposal | 16:29 |
| hongbin | It looks the patch has a lot of +1 already | 16:29 |
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| hongbin | If you have comments, now is the last minutes | 16:30 |
| hongbin | 2. Add an option to turn on Keystone authentication for k8s bay | 16:30 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/keystone-for-k8s-bay | 16:30 |
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| hongbin | This is a proposal to add support for additional auth machnism for k8s | 16:30 |
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| hongbin | There is a use case from Horizon plugin to leverage it | 16:31 |
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| hongbin | The idea is to turn on the Keystone support for kubernetes, which is already in updstream | 16:31 |
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| hongbin | Any comments for this proposal? | 16:32 |
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| hongbin | Do you think if it is the right direction? | 16:32 |
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| tango__ | Good to have more integration with OpenStack services | 16:32 |
| hongbin | tango__: +1 | 16:33 |
| spn | +1 | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | wait a sec | 16:33 |
| wangqun | +1 | 16:33 |
| tango__ | this is one of the value Magnum brings | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | what are you proposing exactly? | 16:33 |
| madhuri | Yes it is good idea to integrate Keystone | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | to change the default configuration of K8s to use keystone for user auth instead of TLS certs? | 16:33 |
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| hongbin | adrian_otto: Add an option to turn on Keystone auth in k8s | 16:33 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: The default is still TLS | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | I think the option is fine. The default should be the prevailing way k8s users normally interact with k8s clusters, which is using TLS for auth. | 16:34 |
| tango__ | There is a link in the BP to the feature in Kubernetes | 16:34 |
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| hongbin | The BP has nothing to do with the default configuration | 16:35 |
| hongbin | It is about adding an alternative option | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | We should avoid a situation where k8s users have to set up their environments differently in order to use a k8s bay on Magnum, versus how they would use k8s elsewhere. | 16:35 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: If we decided to integrate with Kuryr, this is already the case | 16:35 |
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| adrian_otto | that's different | 16:36 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: Could you elaborate? | 16:36 |
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| adrian_otto | because you can interact with the docker API regardless if we use kuryr | 16:36 |
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| hongbin | OK. That is true | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | if you make it so that my usual k8s client enfironment is incompatible with using k8s on openstack, that would be a bad user experience. | 16:37 |
| hongbin | I might or might not agree, but that has nothing to do with the BP | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | so I recognize that's not what has been proposed, but I wanted to offer my input of where we should be careful | 16:37 |
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| hongbin | OK. THen I will approve the BP if there is no objection from others | 16:38 |
| hongbin | Any opposing point of view? | 16:38 |
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| hongbin | Approved | 16:39 |
| hongbin | 3. Add labels help text in magnumclient | 16:39 |
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| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307631/ | 16:39 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307642/ | 16:39 |
| hongbin | wangqun: You are the one who proposed those patches? | 16:40 |
| wangqun | yes | 16:40 |
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| hongbin | These patches have -2 from Tom | 16:40 |
| hongbin | So I bring it to the team meeting | 16:40 |
| wangqun | I want to add the label help because its paraments is so many. | 16:41 |
| hongbin | wangqun: Could you elaborate more? | 16:41 |
| hongbin | wangqun: (more details for others to catch up the context) | 16:41 |
| wangqun | Yes | 16:42 |
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| wangqun | I want to add the labels help and it will be easy to introduce the paramenter for users | 16:43 |
| hongbin | Yes | 16:44 |
| wangqun | Now the mesos flags has been added so many value. | 16:44 |
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| tango__ | I think it's good to have more explanation to help the user. It's true that label is for general use so it's difficult to know what's supported. | 16:44 |
| tango__ | The issue is how to organize the help message | 16:44 |
| hongbin | The help message have to be in the CLI if we decided to give it | 16:45 |
| wangqun | +1 | 16:45 |
| tango__ | to make it easy for the users to find what they need | 16:45 |
| wangqun | I find the nova has the example https://github.com/openstack/python-novaclient/blob/master/novaclient/v2/shell.py#L487 | 16:45 |
| tango__ | Looks like in the patch, it will all be under label, which may be too much | 16:45 |
| hongbin | Here is the objection from @Tom | 16:45 |
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| hongbin | He argued that help text in CLI might be outdated if it is under maintain | 16:45 |
| hongbin | Therefore, he gave a -2 | 16:46 |
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| hongbin | So, there is two opposing poiint of view | 16:46 |
| hongbin | #1 Put help text to CLI to make it close to end users | 16:46 |
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| hongbin | #2 Don't put detailed help text to CLI to make it easer to maintain | 16:47 |
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| hongbin | What are your opinions between these two point of views? | 16:47 |
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| hongbin | comments? | 16:48 |
| hongbin | Or you want to discuss it in the ML? | 16:48 |
| tango__ | If the keky point is to make it easier to maintain, we can have it in the CLI and organize in a way to make it easy to maintain | 16:48 |
| tango__ | without having to update master | 16:49 |
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| hongbin | tango__: maybe let the CLI to retrieve help text from server | 16:49 |
| tango__ | Going back to the doc is not very convenient | 16:49 |
| tango__ | although it should be documented as well | 16:49 |
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| tango__ | Maybe put it in magnum.conf ? | 16:50 |
| hongbin | tango__: magnumclient don't have access to magnu.conf | 16:50 |
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| tango__ | through a call to the server | 16:50 |
| hongbin | tango__: Yes, that is an option | 16:50 |
| tango__ | Anyway, we can discuss the implementation | 16:51 |
| wangqun | Yes it is a option | 16:51 |
| yuanying_ | I added a patch to get parameters from server https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303235/ | 16:51 |
| hongbin | Let's discuss it further in ML | 16:51 |
| tango__ | but we don't have to choose one or the other | 16:51 |
| tango__ | it can be both | 16:51 |
| hongbin | #action hongbin start a ML to discuss the CLI help text documentation | 16:51 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 16:52 |
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| sheel | hongbin: when we are going to start on higgins? | 16:52 |
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| sheel | hongbin: is there any defined roadmap for same? | 16:52 |
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| hongbin | sheel: It can be started as long as the repo was created | 16:53 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313935/ | 16:53 |
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| sheel | hongbin: yes i am aware of it being one of the reviewers :) | 16:53 |
| hongbin | sheel: Once the patch go through, the repo will be created. Then, it can be started | 16:54 |
| sheel | hongbin: nice.. any roadmap defined for same like which fucntionalities specifically to move etc | 16:54 |
| hongbin | sheel: Not yet. That needs to be discussed | 16:54 |
| sheel | hongbin: will be helpful to track the work | 16:54 |
| sheel | hongbin: ohk... | 16:54 |
| hongbin | sheel: BTW, this is a Magnum meeting. This is a bit out of topic :) | 16:54 |
| sheel | hongbin: so any plan for discussion in coming days/weeks? | 16:55 |
| sheel | hongbin: sorry for asking too many questions but curious to start work on it... | 16:55 |
| hongbin | sheel: I will start a ML to schedule a meeting | 16:55 |
| sheel | hongbin: sounds good.. | 16:55 |
| sheel | thanks | 16:55 |
| hongbin | np | 16:56 |
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| hongbin | Anyone else has a topic to discuss? | 16:56 |
| hongbin | If not, let's wrap up | 16:57 |
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| hongbin | Thanks everyone for joining the meeting | 16:58 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 10 16:58:20 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-05-10-16.00.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-05-10-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-05-10-16.00.log.html | 16:58 |
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| sergmelikyan | #startmeeting murano | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 10 17:01:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sergmelikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
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| sergmelikyan | Hi folks :) Kirill is on vacation and I am helping him today :) | 17:03 |
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| vakovalchuk | o/ | 17:03 |
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| oshykhkerimov | o/ | 17:04 |
| srwilkers | o/ | 17:04 |
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| sergmelikyan | #topic Action Items | 17:05 |
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| sergmelikyan | #1 vakovalchuk and oshykhkerimov convert https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-contributors-rules into a commit to docs | 17:05 |
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| sergmelikyan | vakovalchuk, oshykhkerimov did you guys had a chance to work on that? | 17:06 |
| oshykhkerimov | sergmelikyan: done | 17:06 |
| oshykhkerimov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309962/ | 17:06 |
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| sergmelikyan | Nice! Thank you :) | 17:07 |
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| sergmelikyan | #topic Heat Priorities | 17:07 |
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| sergmelikyan | #topic Heat Convergence | 17:07 |
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| sergmelikyan | Question is the following, Heat team is planning to switch to convergence enabled by default in this release cycle, but we are not sure how it will reflect on Murano | 17:08 |
| sergmelikyan | What we can do to mitigate this risk? | 17:08 |
| Nikolay_St | o/ | 17:09 |
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| Nikolay_St | sorry, I'm late - have connection issues :( | 17:09 |
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| sergmelikyan | I propose to switch our Murano CI to use heat with enabled convergence | 17:11 |
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| sergmelikyan | what do you think guys? | 17:11 |
| sergmelikyan | Nikolay_St? | 17:11 |
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| Nikolay_St | sergmelikyan: we can try | 17:12 |
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| Nikolay_St | sergmelikyan: I think it's better to make some discovery first | 17:12 |
| Nikolay_St | on DevStack or something | 17:12 |
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| Nikolay_St | I want to be sure that we don't have many problems when we switch | 17:13 |
| sergmelikyan | Yes, we can verify that before changing our gate job | 17:13 |
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| Nikolay_St | I can do it, I think | 17:13 |
| Nikolay_St | fortunately I have fresh devstack installation right now | 17:13 |
| sergmelikyan | #action Nikolay_St verify that Murano works with enabled convergence and switch our Murano CI to use this feature | 17:13 |
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| sergmelikyan | Nikolay_St: thx :) | 17:13 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic Open Discussion | 17:14 |
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| Nikolay_St | well, I have something to said :) | 17:15 |
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| Nikolay_St | zhurong prepared a bunch of patches to separate murano service broker from murano itself. he create separate ini file, db, etc. | 17:16 |
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| Nikolay_St | on the weekend he fixed tests and make changes in devstack plugin, so now it's ready for QA | 17:16 |
| Nikolay_St | if you have time please take a look at it :) | 17:16 |
| oshykhkerimov | Nikolay_St: how to get onboard with service broker? (: | 17:18 |
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| sergmelikyan | Nikolay_St: sure | 17:22 |
| Nikolay_St | oshykhkerimov: what do you mean? | 17:22 |
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| sergmelikyan | oshykhkerimov: We have documentation and demos recorder | 17:22 |
| sergmelikyan | *recorded | 17:22 |
| sergmelikyan | Nikolay_St: can you share them? | 17:22 |
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| Nikolay_St | sergmelikyan: just a minute | 17:23 |
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| Nikolay_St | oshykhkerimov: I can't find the demo :( | 17:24 |
| Nikolay_St | will provide it tomorrow | 17:25 |
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| oshykhkerimov | Nikolay_St: it's ok, will wait for it and try to find on my own (: | 17:25 |
| oshykhkerimov | Have smth to say too | 17:25 |
| oshykhkerimov | Wrote today a comment to this commit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220552/ Sergey Kreys answered me that unfortunately now he has no time for it. | 17:27 |
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| oshykhkerimov | Also he said that it was discussed that someone from murano team will pick up his patches to murano-apps | 17:28 |
| oshykhkerimov | Are these apps in need? | 17:29 |
| sergmelikyan | I guess we need to check up with skraynev regarding that | 17:29 |
| sergmelikyan | he is working on something similar | 17:29 |
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| sergmelikyan | Let's leave this app as is for now | 17:30 |
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| oshykhkerimov | Got it, so I just shared the info that Sergey isn't going to go on with them | 17:31 |
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| sergmelikyan | thx :) | 17:33 |
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| sergmelikyan | I guess if this all, let's cut this meeting short :) Have a nice evening guys | 17:34 |
| sergmelikyan | #stopmeeting | 17:34 |
| sergmelikyan | #endmeeting | 17:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 10 17:34:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-05-10-17.01.html | 17:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-05-10-17.01.txt | 17:34 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 10 18:01:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
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| catherineD | #endmeeting | 18:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 10 18:05:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-05-10-18.01.html | 18:05 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 10 19:00:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:00 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 19:00 |
| sslypushenko | o/ | 19:00 |
| docaedo | o/ | 19:00 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:00 |
| catherineD | hello everyone | 19:00 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-05-10 | 19:01 |
| pvaneck | o/ | 19:01 |
| rockyg | o/ | 19:01 |
| andrey-mp | o/ | 19:01 |
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| catherineD | Agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-05-10 | 19:02 |
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| catherineD | #topic Product registration | 19:02 |
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| catherineD | so the spec had merged .. | 19:03 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: ready for implementation .. | 19:03 |
| andrey-mp | 1.2. I've started to extract code from my big review but I did't do it today | 19:03 |
| andrey-mp | I think that I will do it this week | 19:04 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: np at all ... thanks! | 19:04 |
| catherineD | moving on | 19:04 |
| andrey-mp | ok | 19:04 |
| catherineD | #topic Vendor/Product related UI | 19:04 |
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| catherineD | #topic Prototype: http://52.49.129.72:8000/#/ | 19:04 |
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| catherineD | UI implementations should be done after product registration .. | 19:05 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: for UI implementatuon .. may I suggest that we implement it in 2 phases | 19:06 |
| andrey-mp | sure | 19:06 |
| catherineD | phase 1: UI for vendor/product | 19:06 |
| catherineD | phase 2: Guideline related ... | 19:06 |
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| hogepodge | The guideline stuff is confusing, and way outside the mission statement of the project. | 19:07 |
| andrey-mp | yeah, it would be good | 19:07 |
| andrey-mp | and we don't have needed REST API for that guideline UI | 19:07 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: agree | 19:07 |
| catherineD | #link RefStack mission statement https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/edb403330e8adf5e9a37dcade4c6058934965db2/reference/projects.yaml#L3577 | 19:07 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: I thought that someone can get code from my big review ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281679/ ) and make patchset for UI | 19:08 |
| catherineD | based on the stated mission statement ... we may need to consult with TC on advise going forward | 19:09 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: we can do that | 19:09 |
| andrey-mp | great! | 19:09 |
| andrey-mp | I will update this review after right changes for product REST API | 19:09 |
| catherineD | any other thoughts on this subject .. | 19:10 |
| catherineD | moving on ... | 19:10 |
| catherineD | #topic Vendor Guidelines | 19:10 |
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| catherineD | hogepodge: just to clarify ... RefStack will allow users to create own private Guidelines ... whether the private Guidelines will be visible to the public or not needs further discussion | 19:12 |
| hogepodge | Right now, based on the prototype, it's a mess. There's no differentiation between vendor guidelines and DefCore guidelines. | 19:12 |
| catherineD | Do we need a new DB table to store private Guideline releated info? | 19:12 |
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| hogepodge | It's exactly the problem I was concerned about in Austin. | 19:13 |
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| sslypushenko | hogepodge: We will hide nonDefcore guidelines by defalt | 19:13 |
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| hogepodge | Plus, there's been a lot of discussion lately about community managed data. It's been a mess. The wiki is often out of date and filled with bad data or spam, driverlog is also hopelessly out of date (except for cinder drivers) | 19:13 |
| hogepodge | Curation is a real problem with these sorts of things. | 19:14 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: we discuss about that we may not have an other Prototype but for sure we will review with you before any merge .. | 19:14 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko: I see code to make is visible, though, which is a huge problem | 19:14 |
| hogepodge | s/make is/make it/ | 19:14 |
| sslypushenko | hogepodge: Code is not a data | 19:15 |
| hogepodge | meanwhile there are real UI issues for vendors and products while this additional guideline work is being pushed through | 19:15 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: it won't be until we reach agreement with all parties ... this is also the reason I want to have the UI implemented in 2 phases | 19:15 |
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| catherineD | hogepodge: no vendor/product UI code will be merged without your review ... | 19:16 |
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| pvaneck | I think we can at least implement the idea of passing in a custom guideline url in the report page ui without having to worry about server stuff | 19:17 |
| hogepodge | and defcore working group guidance please, from markvoelker and eglute | 19:17 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: yes we will | 19:17 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: thx for remidning us on this | 19:17 |
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| catherineD | pvaneck: could you add that topic to the agenda . | 19:18 |
| pvaneck | for today? | 19:18 |
| sslypushenko | hogepodge: I think we should implement extra guidelines in the way, which does not cause user confusion and does not require curation | 19:18 |
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| catherineD | hogepodge: as pvaneck: indicate passing in a custom guideline will help ... plus user can use that to view the DefCor next.json file | 19:19 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: yes please | 19:19 |
| sslypushenko | hogepodge: But from my point of view, we definitely need something like extra guidelines to involve community in DefCore processes | 19:20 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: but this will complicate RefStack UI... | 19:20 |
| catherineD | back to the technical side ... do we need a db table for third party guideline ? | 19:20 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD: I don't think so | 19:20 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: I don't think so ... perhaps let pvaneck: put in something for us to discuss next week? | 19:21 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: this is two ideas - let UI do something with results and privided URL and store third party guidelines | 19:21 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: you don't think we need db table right? | 19:21 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: I think that API server needs additional table where we can store information | 19:22 |
| sslypushenko | we should keep all guidelines in the single db table | 19:22 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: yea the result page will have a text box foruser input Guideline which is not persisted in RefStack | 19:22 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko: sure, but it's early in the game to make it a central feature. Get the stuff in the mission right. | 19:22 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: that means that we need a table | 19:23 |
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| andrey-mp | because right now we don't have tables for guidelines | 19:23 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko: I like the idea of external guidelines to help project leaders guide us on what they see as the most important interoperable features. Could be very powerful in helping DefCore working group on building out future guidelines | 19:23 |
| sslypushenko | hogepodge: agreed, but we should thing at least on one step ahead | 19:23 |
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| sslypushenko | catherineD: yeap, we should have a table for guidlines | 19:24 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko: code is being written one step ahead though | 19:24 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: ok | 19:24 |
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| sslypushenko | hogepodge: I'd say, not even on one) | 19:25 |
| andrey-mp | hodepodge: code and prototype is a thing for discussion | 19:25 |
| catherineD | if we have a table we will need REST API to access the data ... | 19:25 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: in my big review you can find table definition and suggested REST API | 19:26 |
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| catherineD | OK I will write spec to add a table and REST API for Guidelines | 19:26 |
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| andrey-mp | yeah, please let me know in review (or email) if any quiestions you will have | 19:27 |
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| catherineD | #action All REST Guidelines related REST API and UI patches should be reviewd by the DefCore team | 19:27 |
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| sslypushenko | catherineD: It is pretty simple peace of data... we need only store a url on guideline with some meta info | 19:27 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: I will thanks | 19:27 |
| sslypushenko | exactly like andrey-mp did in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281679/21/refstack/db/sqlalchemy/models.py | 19:28 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: I think so | 19:28 |
| catherineD | anything else ... | 19:28 |
| catherineD | next topic | 19:29 |
| catherineD | #topic RefStack client | 19:29 |
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| andrey-mp | new scheme definition? or it is a DefCore meeting related? | 19:29 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: that is DefCore | 19:29 |
| andrey-mp | ok | 19:29 |
| catherineD | there will be a DefCore meeting tomorrow | 19:30 |
| hogepodge | DefCore meetings will be low action for the next two weeks. Mark and Egle are both PTL right now. | 19:31 |
| catherineD | Daryl added a wish list of refstack-client improvement during Austin meeting ... but he can not attend today ... so we will revisit this topic next week | 19:31 |
| hogepodge | #link refstack-client patch to match defcore removal of generated test lists https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314648/ | 19:32 |
| andrey-mp | hogepodge: is it right that guideline will not contain these flags? | 19:33 |
| hogepodge | andrey-mp: guidlines have flags built in to them. The URL has options that choose whether to generate a list with our without the flagged tests | 19:34 |
| catherineD | yea I had tested and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314648/ looks good to me ... RefStack core please review and merge | 19:34 |
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| andrey-mp | I mean that RefStack API server takes these flags from guideline.json | 19:35 |
| hogepodge | andrey-mp: defcore doesn't want to maintain a static list that gets out of date, and the refstack server does a good job of dynamically generating the same lists (accurate to within a day) | 19:35 |
| andrey-mp | and if guideline.json will not have such flags that this link will not work | 19:35 |
| hogepodge | andrey-mp: I don't follow. | 19:35 |
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| hogepodge | andrey-mp: if a guideline has no flags you'll get all of the tests | 19:36 |
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| andrey-mp | i mean that this guideline https://github.com/openstack/defcore/blob/master/2016.01.json has flagged attribute | 19:36 |
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| andrey-mp | hogepodge: is it built from deleted files in your review? | 19:37 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: no it is not | 19:37 |
| hogepodge | andrey-mp: no | 19:37 |
| andrey-mp | ok. | 19:38 |
| hogepodge | andrey-mp: those defcore repository files are statically generated, and the refstack server takes on that job dynamically. It's a much better solution, letting computers automate things that humans forget about | 19:38 |
| andrey-mp | (but for my understanding - from which source 'flagged' is coming to guideline? ) | 19:38 |
| catherineD | od back to refstack-client | 19:38 |
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| catherineD | we need to investigate replacing run_tempst.sh with ostestr | 19:39 |
| andrey-mp | hogepodge: I've got it. removed files are generated from guideline... | 19:39 |
| hogepodge | andrey-mp: from the guideline itself. This is what we're getting rid of: https://github.com/openstack/defcore/blob/master/2016.01/2016.01.flagged.txt | 19:39 |
| hogepodge | andrey-mp: yeah | 19:40 |
| rockyg | so, regenerating that file on the fly, essentially, instead of archiving it | 19:40 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: why we need it? | 19:40 |
| hogepodge | rockyg: correct. if I understand correctly refstack server re-caches the guideline nightly | 19:40 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: why we need ostestr? or flag? | 19:40 |
| andrey-mp | ostestr | 19:40 |
| andrey-mp | I moved to next topic ) | 19:41 |
| pvaneck | hogepodge: every 12 hours | 19:41 |
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| hogepodge | andrey-mp: I think refstack client is using the run tempest script? | 19:42 |
| hogepodge | andrey-mp: qa team would like us to stop doing that | 19:42 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD, hogepodge: yeah. so may be its better to run tempest via tox? | 19:43 |
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| sslypushenko | andrey-mp: ostestr looks like a preferable way to do it | 19:43 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: do you know the time frame? I plan to see what Daryl suggests on refstack improvemens and update it then .. | 19:43 |
| andrey-mp | in any case we need to run tempest, right? | 19:43 |
| hogepodge | andrey-mp: there's a better wrapper that lets you use a whitelist file, which we can use with idempotent id to do a better and more reliable job of running tests | 19:43 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: I think mtreinish would really like us to stop using run_tempest asap :-D | 19:44 |
| mtreinish | ++ | 19:44 |
| mtreinish | there is no reason to use it | 19:44 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: ok in that case we may need to update without waiting for Daryl | 19:44 |
| sslypushenko | aslo ostestr has a python interface | 19:44 |
| andrey-mp | mtreinish: whats better - tox os ostestr directly? | 19:45 |
| rockyg | mtreinish, could you post the doc link so the team can test with ostestr? | 19:45 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: mtreinish: got it .. Thanks! | 19:45 |
| mtreinish | andrey-mp: just use ostestr directly | 19:45 |
| rockyg | simple replace? | 19:45 |
| mtreinish | rockyg: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/os-testr/ostestr.html | 19:45 |
| rockyg | Thanks! | 19:45 |
| hogepodge | I will admit to being the person who started using run_tempest and have responsibility for it being there right now | 19:46 |
| mtreinish | rockyg: the only thing that trips people up is there is not a default selection logic. So it's not a drop in replacement for testr | 19:46 |
| catherineD | #action update refstack-client to use ostestr | 19:46 |
| rockyg | Ah. So, testing to get the calling structure correct... | 19:46 |
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| mtreinish | fwiw, this cycle 1 of my personal goals is to get tempest run in a useable place (instead of just wip patches) | 19:47 |
| rockyg | mtreinish, good info to speed the work | 19:47 |
| andrey-mp | mtreinish - so we need to build virtualenv by refstack-client and run ostestr, right? | 19:47 |
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| mtreinish | andrey-mp: yeah, that's normally how I recommend people use it | 19:47 |
| andrey-mp | mtreinish: and this virtualenv should contain installed tempest? ) | 19:48 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: refstack-client operates in .virtualenv | 19:48 |
| sslypushenko | andrey-mp: ostestr can be called as python module | 19:48 |
| andrey-mp | with all needed plugins | 19:48 |
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| sslypushenko | so there is no point to run it in subprocess like we do now with run_tempest sript | 19:49 |
| andrey-mp | sslypushenko: i'm trying to understand environment for this ) | 19:49 |
| mtreinish | andrey-mp: it should, the test runner needs to be able to access the python code it's executing. It all depends on how you're installing things | 19:49 |
| andrey-mp | mtreinish: ok, thanks | 19:50 |
| catherineD | moving on ... | 19:50 |
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| hogepodge | thanks mtreinish | 19:50 |
| catherineD | #topic RefStack can now creates branches | 19:50 |
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| catherineD | Let's discuss in more details on branching next week | 19:51 |
| catherineD | I will put this topic to the top of the list | 19:52 |
| catherineD | #topic DefCore changes | 19:52 |
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| catherineD | hogepodge: I think we have discussed this earlier ... | 19:52 |
| andrey-mp | sslypushenko: (previous topic) this way needs to propagate some environment variable - we need to think how to do it better... | 19:52 |
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| sslypushenko | andrey-mp: agreed | 19:53 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: what you want to discuss about branches? ) I though that discussed it on summit ) | 19:54 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: discussion on what are the branches that we will support and for what purposes .. | 19:54 |
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| andrey-mp | ah, ok | 19:55 |
| catherineD | the details | 19:55 |
| catherineD | moving on .. | 19:55 |
| catherineD | #topic Open discussion | 19:55 |
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| andrey-mp | I think that model from OpenStack components can be suitable for us... | 19:55 |
| andrey-mp | I have no topic for open discussion ) | 19:56 |
| sslypushenko | andrey-mp: I don't think so | 19:56 |
| andrey-mp | sslypushenko: why? | 19:56 |
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| sslypushenko | Because OS components are not sowtware-as-a-service | 19:57 |
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| sslypushenko | I'd be better to follow OS documentation model | 19:57 |
| andrey-mp | hm, are there a link to this model? | 19:58 |
| sslypushenko | at least they also maintain a web portal | 19:58 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko: andrey-mp: Yup this is the reason I want to give us more time on this topic next week ... | 19:58 |
| andrey-mp | we should finish in one minute... | 19:58 |
| andrey-mp | ok. let's discuss it next week | 19:59 |
| catherineD | everyone let's give it some thoughts ... | 19:59 |
| sslypushenko | andrey-mp: I'll ping you in mail | 19:59 |
| andrey-mp | but it wuold be good to read both models before ) | 19:59 |
| catherineD | Thank you all for a productive meeting !!! | 19:59 |
| andrey-mp | (for me) | 19:59 |
| andrey-mp | Thank you! | 19:59 |
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| rockyg | Thanks! | 20:00 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: ++ let's do some home work before next meeting | 20:00 |
| catherineD | bye | 20:00 |
| andrey-mp | bye | 20:00 |
| catherineD | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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