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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 16 14:00:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Anyone around? | 14:00 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 14:00 |
| Yingxin | o/ | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:01 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:01 | |
| doffm | o/ | 14:01 |
| edleafe | I listed several on the agenda | 14:01 |
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| edleafe | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaScheduler | 14:01 |
| edleafe | Anyone want to discuss anything in particular about them? | 14:01 |
| mriedem | on the logging one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306647/ | 14:02 |
| edleafe | (except "please review!!") | 14:02 |
| jaypipes | would be great to get agreement on the g-r-p spec. | 14:02 |
| mriedem | i see a comment was made, something like, if we're going to do x, let's go all out and making it super complicated! | 14:02 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: cdent is pushing a new rev on that shortly. | 14:02 |
| edleafe | mriedem: that would have been me | 14:02 |
| cdent | I can push it now | 14:02 |
| mriedem | i'd prefer to keep the logging spec simple to start | 14:02 |
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| mriedem | and build on it | 14:02 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: ++ | 14:03 |
| * alex_xu waves late | 14:03 | |
| mriedem | rather than 10 new config options for logging | 14:03 |
| edleafe | I was thinking one new config vs. two | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have pushed up a WIP spec for the distinct-subset-shard-scheduler spec (partly as requested by doffm) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313519/ | 14:03 |
| doffm | Awesome. | 14:03 |
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| Yingxin | mriedem: maybe the recursive filters can help the logging simple, but it makes code harder to be understand as jaypipes says. | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | I tried to answer questions on the ordered filter scheduler spec (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256323/) but not sure if I managed to answer the questions there | 14:05 |
| edleafe | So on the logging, we're definitely not going to offer extra logging except for NoValidHost? | 14:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: +1 on keeping that logging simple to start with | 14:05 |
| cdent | okay, new version of g-r-p just pushed https://review.openstack.org/300176 was a bit rushed, so many need some tweaks but I believe it represents the latest agreements | 14:05 |
| Yingxin | cdent: great | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: it just seems like we should improve NoValidHost first, then see where we are | 14:05 |
| edleafe | cdent: cool - will review after the meeting | 14:05 |
| mriedem | edleafe: i'd need to read back through it in detail to get it in my head again, but it started out pretty simple and then there were some asks for additional things, and it seems to have grown into a bit of a monster | 14:06 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: sure | 14:06 |
| edleafe | mriedem: originally it was to scratch a single itch. Other itches were then revealed | 14:06 |
| mriedem | sure, but | 14:06 |
| mriedem | that first itch is the bloody one | 14:07 |
| mriedem | all scabby and gooey | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | ewww | 14:07 |
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| * edleafe is getting hungry for breakfast all of a sudden... | 14:07 | |
| mriedem | heh | 14:07 |
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| mriedem | anyway, my 2 cents, i can read through it again, but might be a few hours | 14:07 |
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| edleafe | My only concern is that if we plan on adding the "success" case, we should lay the groundwork for that, rather than rip things up later to fit it | 14:08 |
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| edleafe | We don't have to implement it in one shot, of course | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | I hate the idea of the success case, as I have seen that suck performance out of the system | 14:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I assume we did something dumb to cause that, but either way, it worries me | 14:09 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: heh, yeah | 14:09 |
| mriedem | yeah, idk, generally i'm not in favor or building for future requirements | 14:09 |
| edleafe | But it was an ops guy asking for it. | 14:09 |
| mriedem | *of building | 14:09 |
| mriedem | sure, but i don't see that as a recurring ask from several ops people over time | 14:09 |
| mriedem | like figuring out the novalidhost thing | 14:09 |
| mriedem | let's put it this way, | 14:10 |
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| mriedem | the more complicated this is, the less chance of anything getting done in newton | 14:10 |
| mriedem | because if it's too complicated, it probably won't get review attention | 14:10 |
| edleafe | sure, makes sense | 14:10 |
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| mriedem | just something to keep in mind - i don't know how easy it would be to add the success stuff later because i don't know what cfriesen is implementing | 14:11 |
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| edleafe | jaypipes: cdent: anything we need to discuss on g-r-p? | 14:11 |
| edleafe | i.e., any points of contention? | 14:11 |
| cdent | edleafe: we've been round several blocks on the form of the api | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: I'm reviewing it now. cdent just pushed a new rev. | 14:12 |
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| cdent | the current form is supposed to reflect the latest discussions between jay and me | 14:12 |
| edleafe | Alright, anything else to discuss for specs? | 14:12 |
| cdent | I think what needs to happen there is that we agree on the spirit and just get on with it... | 14:13 |
| edleafe | cdent: but blue would be much prettier! | 14:13 |
| edleafe | anyways | 14:13 |
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| edleafe | #topic Reviews | 14:13 |
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| edleafe | Nobody added any to the schedule | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I guess I worry about the lack of attention the non-priority specs are getting, but we need to focus on the other stuff, so thats fair enough | 14:14 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: anything in particular? | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: well my two specs, obviously ;) but one is to make things easier to configure, the other is needed for us to delete cells v1 (at least in my head) | 14:15 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: which one makes things easier to configure? | 14:15 |
| mriedem | cdent: jaypipes: keep in mind on the grp spec no one replied to alaski's question in ps12 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300176/12/specs/newton/approved/generic-resource-pools.rst@214 | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: the one you don't like: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256323/7 | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: its intent is to make this easier to configure, I just can't ever get the weighers to do what I want | 14:16 |
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| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: yeah, the whole weigher system is a turd. | 14:17 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: the problem I see with your two proposals is that they build *more* complexity into the existing system. I don't see them simplifying anything. | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: this seems like a way we could deprecate and remove that, but I don't want it to slow down other progress either | 14:17 |
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| doffm | johnthetubaguy: Longer discussion... but I think we could make this simpler if we separated out packing and spreading. | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: so the idea is you have a list of yes/no decisions, some are required, some are just a preference, in a defined order | 14:18 |
| doffm | Rather than negative weights everywhere. | 14:18 |
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| doffm | Use your routing spec to take different requests to a packing scheduler if needed. | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | doffm: yeah, I like that, I added in alternatives for a follow up | 14:18 |
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| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: on the sharded scheduler one, I'm all for partitioning (I proposed code for the scheduler over 2 years ago that added support for a scheduler process to only consider a subset of hosts). The issue is that your spec adds more complexity to the existing scheduler design by making placement policies and decision making different per subset of hosts. | 14:19 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: wouldn't that be preferable? Each scheduler does its own thing its own way? | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: right, its what cells v1 gives us today | 14:19 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: no. | 14:20 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: it's a hack today, and basing scheduler decisions on the flavor would be a hack again. | 14:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so on metal, ssd and non-ssd get different rules, each one gets its own nova-scheduler process (or set of processes) | 14:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: it seems to follow the pattern of how people think about their fleet, so it seems natural, granted their may be a better way to do it | 14:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it does conflate two things here though | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | different sets of hosts having different scheduling policies | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: the *process by which a placement decision is reached* is the same, though. It's just "find me hosts that have X resources available and Y capabilities". The same scheduler process/code should handle all scheduling decisions. Use partitioning/sharding to reduce the number of compute hosts that each scheduler process considers in order to increase the scale of the scheduler. | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | sharding of the hosts, along lines you already shard your capacity planning | 14:22 |
| tpepper | there's ops interest in simplified/unified scheduling. people may think of their fleet in disjoint terms because the different openstack schedulers force them to. | 14:22 |
| tpepper | jaypipes: +1 | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: yeah, thats true | 14:22 |
| doffm | jaypipes: So are you OK with different scheduler algorithms for different host subsets? But not OK with different processes? | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: let me add that comment and re-work it | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: I actually like the separation, but it does seem wrong to require it | 14:23 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: now... for some kinds of *requests*, there may be a case for having totally different schedulers. For instance, if one request required a bunch of network and/or storage affinity policies vs. another request that just wants a simple X resources Y capabilities, you could make the case for routing the two requests to two different schedulers entirely. | 14:23 |
| jaypipes | doffm: ^^ | 14:24 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: so all schedulers have to have the same filters/weighers/whatever enabled? | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: I am thinking onmetal vs virt, FWIW | 14:24 |
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| doffm | Gotta go, meeting. Will read backlog later and leave comments on relevent specs. :) | 14:24 |
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| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: on metal vs. virt is the EXACT same request. It's a request for a simple amount of X resources having Y capabilities. There's nothing special about the onmetal request vs. the virt one | 14:25 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: just because the Nova compute_nodes table was hacked together with a (host, node) tuple just for Ironic/baremetal doesn't mean that the placement request is really any different. | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: we have different sets of weighting preferences for each of those, but thats quite a specific use case | 14:26 |
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| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: please elaborate on those differences. | 14:26 |
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| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: that's what I was thinking - different packing/spread needs | 14:26 |
| jaypipes | it would greatly help me understand the use case. | 14:26 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: you can't "pack" or "spread" bare metal nodes. | 14:26 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: the resource is indivisible. | 14:27 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: that's just one type of sharding | 14:27 |
| jaypipes | sorry, not understanding you... | 14:27 |
| edleafe | I meant in general | 14:27 |
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| tpepper | edleafe: are you thinking in terms of chassis packing? eg: I've rented onmetal nodes from ya'll that are little blade form factors which arguably share chassis resources... | 14:27 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: different host groups might require different approaches | 14:28 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: on alaski's question, I will answer him on IRC. It's a smple misunderstanding it looks like. | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: well baremetal is 1:1, so most of the virt worries are irrelevant, I would have to double check if there are things the other way around | 14:28 |
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| tpepper | err meant johnthetubaguy ^^ not edleafe | 14:28 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: sorry, I'm not following you. The fact that Ironic nodes are indivisible resources doesn't change the fact that a scheduling decision for virt vs. bare metal flavors is made the same way. | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: in reality we have different teams controlling the config right now, which is handy, so I would have to go digging to work out what the other folks do | 14:29 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: so the only gain would be that each scheduler has to consider fewer hosts? | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: well if you keep windows and linux VMs on separate boxes, it doesn't matter for onmetal | 14:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | keeping tenants apart from each other, similarly irrelevant | 14:30 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: "only gain"? :) err, yes, the gain from partitioning is dramatically increased concurrency/scale due to allowing different scheduler processes to operate on fewer hosts. | 14:30 |
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| edleafe | jaypipes: it seems that the DB filtering would do that more simply and with reduced complexity | 14:33 |
| edleafe | i.e., a request for bare metal would return drastically fewer hosts | 14:33 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: a combination of DB side filtering and partitioning each scheduler process to only look at some shard of hosts gets the best scale in my placement-bench harness results. | 14:33 |
| edleafe | ok, let's continue the discussion on the spec | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats back to the one process vs multiple process, for me the big thing is where to shard, not how | 14:34 |
| edleafe | Are there any reviews we need to discuss? | 14:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: the idea with my suggested shard, is it has no capacity planning worries, which is tricky when you run mostly full | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | but anyways, lets take this back to the spec review | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | s/no/no additional/ | 14:35 |
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| edleafe | #topic Opens | 14:36 |
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| edleafe | So anything else before we get back to reviewing specs? | 14:36 |
| cdent | no sir | 14:36 |
| edleafe | OK, then, here are 23 minutes of your time back | 14:37 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 16 14:37:25 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-05-16-14.00.html | 14:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-05-16-14.00.txt | 14:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-05-16-14.00.log.html | 14:37 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 16 15:00:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:00 |
| jlibosva | \o | 15:00 |
| johndperkins | o/ | 15:00 |
| sc68cal | o/ | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | hello everyone! I hope you enjoyed the lack of meetings lately. | 15:01 |
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| sc68cal | no, I missed you all :( | 15:01 |
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| ihrachys | I don't see some folks (rossella_s, korzen?) | 15:02 |
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| korzen | hello | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | the previous meeting was supposed to occur, but then I guess some catastrophe happened :) | 15:02 |
| pcm_ | cd vcode | 15:02 |
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| ihrachys | so that's the 1st meeting after the summit | 15:02 |
| * pcm_ wrong window... | 15:02 | |
| ihrachys | I was off last two weeks, so probably you folks will need to fill us in | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | first, actions from the last meeting | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #topic Actions from the last meeting | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | "ihrachys to cancel next meetings in openstack-dev@" | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | nah, that one is boring. moving on | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | "ihrachys to update wiki page with the check list for object adoption (object, database access code, API test coverage, ...)" | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | ok, for that one, I started some draft check list of 'things to cover when doing object transition' | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam#Object_adoption_check_list | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | I suggest everyone who did some work for objects to go thru the check list and validate that all of it is covered | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | I also hope that people will fill in gaps in the list | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | tl;dr it's not enough to land object class to claim a resource done. it's just first step. | 15:05 |
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| * ihrachys gives 1 min to complete reading and complain about the list | 15:06 | |
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| korzen | the wiki steps looks nice | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | ok, 1 min ended. I guess everyone is on board with it. | 15:07 |
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| ihrachys | generally, if folks have cycles, at this point I suggest we spend them on API test coverage since it's going to block a lot of objects. | 15:08 |
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| ihrachys | so ask me how to help, and I will point you to some tests and patches that we need to push | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | that would be something along the lines of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306272/ | 15:08 |
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| * ihrachys needs to get back to the patch asap | 15:09 | |
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| ihrachys | ok, let's cover usual topics | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:09 |
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| ihrachys | sc68cal: would you mind filling us about where we stand with it? | 15:09 |
| sc68cal | Just got +A'd a couple minutes ago, working its way through the gate | 15:10 |
| sc68cal | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299843/ | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | oh man. | 15:10 |
| korzen | sc68cal, great! | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | it's thrilling and scary at the same time | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | do we have the very latest result? | 15:10 |
| sc68cal | I have to find my notes - I spoke with armax last week and we put some stuff in an etherpad for the next steps | 15:10 |
| sc68cal | let me dig up the etherpad link | 15:11 |
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| ihrachys | I hope it's not breaking :) | 15:11 |
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| sc68cal | found it | 15:11 |
| sc68cal | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-multinode-jobs-newton | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | fyi non-voting jobs from the very latest patches seem succeeding | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | looking at the link | 15:12 |
| sc68cal | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-multinode-jobs-newton Newton multinode grenade next steps | 15:12 |
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| ihrachys | I think it's a good list of things to follow up on | 15:13 |
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| ihrachys | for dvr, we have the job in check too | 15:13 |
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| ihrachys | as per grafana, the failure rate is the same as for non dvr | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | (and low) | 15:15 |
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| rossella_s | hi all, sorry for being late, I am actually off today but I thought I should join this :) | 15:15 |
| korzen | one improvement we need is to move dhcp and L3 our of primary node | 15:15 |
| * ihrachys waves at rossella_s | 15:15 | |
| korzen | but still using the 2 node setup | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | korzen: please add to the etherpad | 15:16 |
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| korzen | ihrachys, ok | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | sc68cal: do you take all of it, or you want someone to help you with it? | 15:17 |
| sc68cal | I'm happy to have people join | 15:18 |
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| ihrachys | ack | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:18 |
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| ihrachys | generally, the topic of object adoption was raised on a design summit session | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | and the decision was made that new features are required to provide objects with them. | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | it's up to us folks to identify those patches without objects in flight though | 15:19 |
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| ihrachys | note that we still need to do preparation work for features that are e.g. extending a resource | 15:20 |
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| korzen | it is good we have new OVO for vlan aware VMs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310410 | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | we don't expect other developers to implement objects just to add a small attribute somewhere | 15:20 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: that's cool | 15:21 |
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| ihrachys | apart from general notes above, I don't have specifics | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | korzen: rossella_s: anything to mention? | 15:21 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, I don't have anything | 15:22 |
| korzen | rossella_s, what is the status of port OVO? | 15:22 |
| korzen | is it close to merge? | 15:22 |
| rossella_s | korzen, nope it's not, unfortunately I didn't have time to work on it lately | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: I guess it's also blocked by API tests for sorting/pagination? | 15:23 |
| korzen | we lost Martin, is there anyone to help rossella_s? | 15:23 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: or we talk about object itself, without adoption? | 15:23 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, that too | 15:23 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, the object without adoption | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | ok, from my side, I will concentrate on getting API layer ready for objects. | 15:23 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, great! | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | I hope in parallel we'll get the object itself in shape so that we can meet each other at the adoption cross road quicker | 15:24 |
| korzen | I would love to see any review on Subnet OVO: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264273 | 15:25 |
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| rossella_s | korzen, will do...I was partly off and partly focusing on other stuff after the summit, sorry for that | 15:25 |
| korzen | and Network OVO as well ;) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269658 | 15:25 |
| johndperkins | I've got a couple ovo patches out that just need reviews as well | 15:25 |
| johndperkins | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304862/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307969/ are network/router | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | johndperkins: ok | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | korzen: we don't have adoption patches for those, right? | 15:26 |
| korzen | ihrachys, nope, not yet | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | korzen: would be cool to try that and see what's missing | 15:26 |
| korzen | ihrachys, yes, I will do this this/next week | 15:27 |
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| ihrachys | johndperkins: would be cool to switch focus of the team to bits missing for existing objects. | 15:28 |
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| korzen | johndperkins, could you or some from OSIC help with port object? | 15:28 |
| johndperkins | korzen: absolutely | 15:28 |
| dasm | ihrachys: korzen: which objects require attention? | 15:29 |
| korzen | dasm, port OVO | 15:29 |
| dasm | korzen: just this? | 15:29 |
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| ihrachys | dasm: I think at this point it's more about getting API layer to the point where we can start switching first class resources to objects. API layer work is needed to support sorting/pagination. that's one thing. I bet when we start adopting more in the db code, we will hit more missing bits. | 15:30 |
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| dasm | ihrachys: mhm. fair enough | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | dasm: we have patches in flight, but they will probably need some love. | 15:30 |
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| dasm | ihrachys: do we have one place where links are stored? | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | dasm: fyi I plan to tackle some of it this week, but since I am dug under emails from 3weeks, some help would always be welcome. | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | dasm: ovo topic | 15:30 |
| dasm | ihrachys: gotcha | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:ovo | 15:31 |
| dasm | ihrachys: i think *a lot* of patches require "some love" :D | 15:31 |
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| ihrachys | yes, and we better not increase their number until they are in better shape | 15:31 |
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| dasm | understandable. OSIC people are involved, like johndperkins, so we think we can try to help decrease the number. | 15:32 |
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| ihrachys | ok. I guess interested folks will sync after the meeting if needed on specific pieces to share. | 15:32 |
| korzen | rossella_s, do you have any action items that dasm and OSIC can take right away? | 15:32 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, regarding the port ovo? | 15:33 |
| korzen | rossella_s, yes | 15:33 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, just update the patch | 15:34 |
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| korzen | rossella_s, like this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253641/ ? | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: I assume you won't have time for it this week and folks are safe to take it? | 15:34 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, yes this week for sure | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | ack. great to know. | 15:35 |
| dasm | rossella_s: ok. good to know. | 15:35 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, I will try to free up later | 15:35 |
| rossella_s | anyone interested please ping me | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | ok, I guess we have something to roll with on that topic. | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:36 |
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| korzen | https://review.openstack.org/287756 Integrate the port allowed address pairs VersionedObject in Neutron this also need some love | 15:36 |
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| ihrachys | I don't have anything more to talk, feel free to raise more stuff now | 15:36 |
| korzen | I have one open | 15:36 |
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| korzen | tenant_id -> project_id renaming | 15:36 |
| dasm | korzen: ++ | 15:37 |
| korzen | should we handle the project_id right now? | 15:37 |
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| korzen | or wait until dasm work will be ready? | 15:37 |
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| dasm | basically, spec is not merged yet: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257362/ | 15:37 |
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| korzen | I would prefer to go with project_id from the beggining | 15:37 |
| dasm | but most of the things are there. so in some time, we will also need to use project_id | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | korzen: for new objects? fine. as long as they write in consistent way (same field) in db | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | korzen: note that e.g. qos policy has tenant_id, so we would need a switch anyway. | 15:39 |
| korzen | I have updated the Subnet OVO to use the project_id https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264273/24/neutron/objects/subnet.py@151 | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | korzen: that's nice. if dasm goes with alembic, he will just need to remove the translation | 15:39 |
| dasm | ihrachys: yes. | 15:40 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: thanks for looking into the future | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | anything more to discuss? | 15:41 |
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| ihrachys | or everyone can have 20 mins till next meeting slot? :) | 15:41 |
| korzen | I have introduced the null testing in: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308441 | 15:41 |
| korzen | still have issue with cmp not present in Python3 | 15:41 |
| korzen | do you think it is worth continueing? | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | I am not sure what's the goal there. I will need some time to actually read it thru. | 15:43 |
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| korzen | main reason was to have UT covered for getting nulls for generated values | 15:43 |
| korzen | it can fast test if null can be set in DB | 15:43 |
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| korzen | and for example currentlu | 15:44 |
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| korzen | corrently, when we do not set the property in OVO, the exceptin is raised | 15:44 |
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| korzen | and we are not able to set null fetched from DB in OVO | 15:44 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: is "null from db" case different from "no value in db at all"? | 15:45 |
| korzen | ihrachys, not sure right now | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | ok, I will need to take a closer look. maybe playing with code will help me to understand the issue. | 15:47 |
| korzen | we can for example set the gatway to null | 15:48 |
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| korzen | gateway* | 15:48 |
| korzen | when defining the subnet via CLI | 15:48 |
| korzen | we can continue in patch review | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | aye | 15:49 |
| dasm | ihrachys: one more question about: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306272/9 | 15:50 |
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| dasm | ihrachys: do you need any help with it? | 15:50 |
| dasm | it seems to be blocking a lot of stuff. | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | dasm: that's the patch I was going to get right after I handle all critical emails I have since 3weeks. | 15:50 |
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| ihrachys | dasm: but we could start building more resource tests on top of it already, right? | 15:51 |
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| dasm | ihrachys: True. | 15:51 |
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| ihrachys | dasm: so let's say I handle the patch 1st priority, and people start building more on top while it's still in review. it should not change much itself, just need to fix gate and other nits. | 15:51 |
| dasm | ok. fair enough :) | 15:52 |
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| ihrachys | ok, I guess that's what we have right now | 15:53 |
| ihrachys | let's use those 7 mins for good | 15:53 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 16 15:54:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-05-16-15.00.html | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-05-16-15.00.txt | 15:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-05-16-15.00.log.html | 15:54 |
| korzen | thanks for disscussion, bye | 15:54 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 16 16:00:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims, dougwig | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for e0ne, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero, haypo, ihrachyshka, jd__ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, Nakato | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot, rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 16:00 |
| nikhil | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | btw for people that want to be in that ping list | 16:00 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:00 |
| rbradfor | o/ \o | 16:00 |
| amrith | ./ | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | i just updated https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo#Ping_script with a crappy script, adjustments welcome (or add yor own) | 16:00 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:00 |
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| bknudson | I have to get to the airport so won't be here. | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:01 |
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| flaper87 | o/ | 16:01 |
| bknudson | none that I know of for keystone | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Nothing from Cinder. | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | so i believe taskflow release caused some *existing* bugs to show up in some folks code (cinder, octavia) | 16:02 |
| amrith | none for Trove. | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | I am not aware of any for neutron, but hey, I am just back from 2week post-summit vacation... | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | jungleboyj, do u know if those cinder + taskflow things got fixed up | 16:02 |
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| redrobot | o/ ish | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | ihrachys, thx seems like mostly issue free :-P | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | harlowja_at_home: Yeah, I saw there was a patch pushed up for that at the end of last week while I was out. | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:04 |
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| jungleboyj | harlowja_at_home: So, I think we got beyond it for now. | 16:04 |
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| amrith | harlowja_at_home, heads-up on an eminent red-flag. I'm going to rake up the isotime() issue next week. | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | jungleboyj, sweet | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, lol | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | ah the ye-olde isotime | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | jd__, loves that one | 16:05 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Releases for newton | 16:05 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | so I haven't gotten a new release of all the things out yet, but i'll work on that in a bit | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | anyone need anything to be released explicitly? | 16:06 |
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| harlowja_at_home | (if not i'll just make a release for all oslo libs, and people can yell at me if its incorrect) | 16:06 |
| rpodolyaka | :) | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Delimiter | 16:07 |
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| nikhil | o/ | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | nikhil, do u have some time to describe the whole thing here :)( | 16:08 |
| * harlowja_at_home hands mic to nikhil | 16:08 | |
| nikhil | here's the agenda item: | 16:08 |
| nikhil | Discuss the home of quota (delimiter) library http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/thread.html#93959 | 16:08 |
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| nikhil | please follow along the thread to know what exactly is happening here | 16:08 |
| nikhil | but without going divergent into things, I can give a tl;dr; | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | sure :) | 16:08 |
| nikhil | there are 2 school of thoughts: | 16:08 |
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| nikhil | 1) people who think this is a cross project library but the problem domain and solutions are not well defined hence it cant be x-prj yet | 16:09 |
| nikhil | 2) another set of people who think that if we need to make it a successful x-prj library then we need it in a umbrealla that is already a cross project established domain | 16:09 |
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| nikhil | SO, to established the right apporach here | 16:10 |
| nikhil | I need your vetted input on what are the tradeoffs to put this in oslo | 16:10 |
| nikhil | what can be the good things (and of course I shouldn't be asking here :-)) what would be the warnings? | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | everything is good when its in oslo :-P | 16:11 |
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| dhellmann | I think I fall in group 2, and I suggested creating an oslo.quota lib repo to host the work as a sub-project in oslo. I'm not entirely opposed to the project being stand-alone though. | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | I just think the road to adoption will be longer that way. | 16:11 |
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| nikhil | (context: both the school of thoughts have pretty experienced and influencial people) | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | we already have well-established processes for subteams like with messaging, db, and policy so we have the pattern of setting up a team like this | 16:12 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so if we as a group have it be a sub-project nikhil it doesn't guarantee adoption (i assume this is known) | 16:12 |
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| harlowja_at_home | just a word of warning there | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | adoption still hard (believe me, i know) | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that's true -- there are no guarantees either way | 16:12 |
| dims | dhellmann : since we tried this oslo.quota before and there's a lot of resistance from folks who have that "feature" i thought it would be better to do it this way as a standalone lib | 16:13 |
| SpamapS | What's the reason to not have it in oslo? | 16:13 |
| SpamapS | oslo is all of the common "business logic" that we share in OpenStack, isn't it? | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | dims : there seems to be a lot of support for sharing something now, though? what did we actually have to share in the past? | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | SpamapS : that's more or less the idea | 16:14 |
| amrith | dims, I believe that resistence in the past was more because of what the quota library sought to do and how. I believe that more consensus is being built in this process and therefore the odds of adoption may (and I stress may) be higher. | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | one reason i can think of (others may disagree) is limited people in oslo to maintain it (if the sub-team goes away) SpamapS | 16:14 |
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| dims | amrith : we can always adopt the library when it has some legs.. like os-profiler | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home : that's true. we have the same risk for any piece of code anywhere in openstack. | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, good point | 16:14 |
| SpamapS | harlowja_at_home: I do understand that. However, if it is standalone and the team fades away, the projects that adopt it are still in deep water, but without a known team to help them migrate off it while it is deprecated. | 16:15 |
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| dhellmann | dims : that's true. I think this team is doing a better job of collaborating than the os-profiler team did in its early days, though. | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | SpamapS, understood | 16:15 |
| dims | dhellmann : yep | 16:15 |
| SpamapS | Is it being done as a total new thing, or did they start with a forklift from some other project's quota system? | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://github.com/openstack/delimiter (if people want to look through the code that exists so far) | 16:16 |
| dims | SpamapS : i'd give them a bit more time to come up with something that works with early adopters | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | yes, most of that code i put up over the weekend, lol | 16:16 |
| nikhil | SpamapS: a bit of both | 16:16 |
| nikhil | but the roadmap is still undefined | 16:16 |
| SpamapS | if it is not a forklift, then I have a 3rd option: start over. Forklift from the best implementation. Otherwise we end up in the Neutron space again. | 16:16 |
| nikhil | and we do not know who is going to work on this long term | 16:17 |
| dims | SpamapS : this is starting over | 16:17 |
| amrith | dims, that is true too. | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | SpamapS, i believe its mostly starting over (but doing it strategically/smartly) | 16:17 |
| nikhil | harlowja_at_home: correct | 16:17 |
| nikhil | this is more strategic effort | 16:17 |
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| harlowja_at_home | right | 16:17 |
| nikhil | and we need some space for that to happen | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | right | 16:18 |
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| dims | nikhil : if we don't see good progress on early adopter project and or if the team loses steam, we don't want oslo core team to be burdened as well | 16:18 |
| SpamapS | So, put me down as somebody who is very interested in cross-project harmony, and who does not want to see another Neutron situation (I know this is a library and not a service, but the fact remains that whole new efforts are far more painful than incremental migrations) | 16:18 |
| nikhil | possibly not have a brand name tagged from the get go (mostly my worry) | 16:18 |
| nikhil | dims: I agree and share the sentiment | 16:18 |
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| dims | At the moment the team has a space and talking to whole bunch of folks and iterating, i'd keep that going and revisit later personally | 16:18 |
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| amrith | dims makes a convincing case. I'll +1 his suggestion. | 16:19 |
| dims | there's no rush in my mind to make it "oslo". i'd prefer to have something working first | 16:19 |
| nikhil | Also, I do not want some people like (say the liaison from PWG) to stop contributing just because the space belongs more to developers | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'm personally also fine with that, like we can check-in a couple of weeks from now, see where things are at | 16:19 |
| dims | Oslo is great at having very few people maintain a lot of code...not for this kickstart | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | the main question in my mind is how are you going to know it works if it's called experimental and being run not as an official project -- who is signed up to adopt what is built? | 16:20 |
| SpamapS | dims: the point at which to push for a decision on namespace is probably when a project starts adopting it. | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | i think glance signed up :-P | 16:20 |
| dims | SpamapS : yep | 16:20 |
| nikhil | also, say I have a good intern working on it, she might be a little bit apprehensive on contributing to something like oslo with the experts | 16:20 |
| dims | dhellmann : Nova too | 16:20 |
| SpamapS | Keep the blast radius for a namespace change to the early adopters. | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | nikhil, we don't bite :-P | 16:20 |
| nikhil | :) | 16:20 |
| dims | lots of feeback from jaypipes and others | 16:20 |
| dims | and amrith is keeping them honest | 16:20 |
| nikhil | dhellmann: I have a bunch of people in glance who don't want to import code just because it's oslo too | 16:21 |
| nikhil | so we have all sorts of ideas in openstack! | 16:21 |
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| nikhil | I do not know for sure who is going to sign up | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | i wrote a skeleton, my job is done :-P | 16:21 |
| nikhil | and that's the learning process, I think | 16:21 |
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| dhellmann | great, so one of the reasons for doing this separately is because folks don't want to collaborate with the oslo team? happy days. | 16:21 |
| amrith | i'm concerned about the comment that there may be people who won't import code just because it is oslo but that is a diversion | 16:22 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ya, let | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | *lets table that for now | 16:22 |
| amrith | that (to put it mildly) sucks. | 16:22 |
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| nikhil | I agree | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | nikhil, so how about we have a check-up in 2 weeks, see where things are at? | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | u don't have to cough or anything ... | 16:22 |
| nikhil | and I spend my 10% enerygy fighting that sort of ideas | 16:23 |
| nikhil | energy* | 16:23 |
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| nikhil | so I do not know what the right ways are | 16:23 |
| dims | nikhil : if they prefer hangouts or other forms of communication to make them comfortable, let us know | 16:23 |
| nikhil | I am trying to be honest on my worries here | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx :) | 16:23 |
| nikhil | and being open about getting feedback on tradeoffs | 16:23 |
| SpamapS | That's weird because, they could.. join.. the oslo team.. | 16:24 |
| nikhil | dims: whatever makes the cross project experts comfortable | 16:24 |
| SpamapS | Except it's an exclusive club and we only accept non-nerf-herders right? ;) | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | nikhil : the only thing that would be different about this project if it was an oslo lib is the name, and the fact that the existing oslo-core team would also have +2 on the repo. | 16:24 |
| * SpamapS joins the oslo team as a "we" in that sentence whenever it suits him | 16:24 | |
| nikhil | all I worry about is the end goal - I do not care how we achieve it (we need a successful quota implementation in openstack) | 16:24 |
| dims | SpamapS : ++ :) | 16:24 |
| dims | nikhil : agree. | 16:25 |
| nikhil | dhellmann: I am okay with oslo or non-oslo as long as we won't be spending another 2 months discussing the weirness in the spec | 16:26 |
| nikhil | that was 1) | 16:26 |
| nikhil | 2) we are okay to put this on "probation" | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | soooo, checkup in 2 weeks ok with folks? that's somewhat my preference, let's get people to show up to code stuff (besides myself) and see where it goes a little (or that's what i feel) | 16:26 |
| nikhil | 3) there's freedome to adopt different approaches and no issues with api of the lib version breaks | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home : yeah, that's fine. If the team doesn't want to be part of oslo, we can spend our energy elsewhere. | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | incase anyone wants to review | 16:27 |
| nikhil | 4) we do not have a complete re-implmentation of this lib in oslo just because it's not the oslo way | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/delimiter | 16:27 |
| dims | dhellmann : i think of this as a POC, let them get some work done, see if they can make folks like amrith, jaypipes etc comfortable with the impl and they can apply for governance | 16:27 |
| nikhil | 5) we test this in production before making it non on probation | 16:27 |
| * nikhil done | 16:27 | |
| dhellmann | nikhil : you will find, as we have learned and could help you work around, that projects adopting this library and trying to maintain CD compatibility will be upset if you start making lots of API changes that break their test systems. | 16:27 |
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| dhellmann | that's regardless of whether it's official, or who runs it, or what program it's in | 16:28 |
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| dims | dhellmann : ++ | 16:28 |
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| amrith | nikhil, I think it is important (for the reasons that dhellmann just brought up) that we spend more time now and get the API right. | 16:28 |
| dims | amrith : ++ | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | so if you're not prepared to deal with that situation, I think you need a new plan for getting the library into production | 16:28 |
| amrith | FWIW, that's one of the reasons I disagree with jaypipes proposed API. We agree about the implementation now but the API is still a concern to me. | 16:28 |
| nikhil | amrith: correct and that's the end goal I am talking about as well | 16:29 |
| amrith | it will be time well spent if we can get that API acceptable to more, at this stage. | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | api i put up amrith @ https://github.com/openstack/delimiter/blob/master/delimiter/engine.py#L20 (feel free to change it) | 16:29 |
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| harlowja_at_home | main engine access point would be @ https://github.com/openstack/delimiter/blob/master/delimiter/__init__.py#L23 | 16:30 |
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| nikhil | harlowja_at_home: I expect >10 changes tbh (once people from diff projects actually start giving input) | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | nikhil, likely :) | 16:30 |
| * amrith mumbles something about main entry point being a comment :) | 16:31 | |
| nikhil | plus we still haven't settled on the types of drivers | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | right, work to be done | 16:31 |
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| nikhil | yep, there's lot to go forward on here! | 16:31 |
| amrith | nikhil, what do you mean about types of drivers? Should we take it offline? | 16:31 |
| amrith | i.e. this is the #oslo meeting | 16:32 |
| amrith | not the #quota meeting | 16:32 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ;) | 16:32 |
| nikhil | amrith: yes, please | 16:32 |
| amrith | ok, 2pm today | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | ok, soooo let's re-connect in a couple of weeks on delimiter, i think that's sane thing to do | 16:32 |
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| harlowja_at_home | seem ok to folks? | 16:32 |
| amrith | +1 | 16:33 |
| dims | ++ | 16:33 |
| amrith | ok, fine. +=1 | 16:33 |
| nikhil | I am happy to reconnect wherever to get everyone on the same page | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:34 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Stuck reviews/specs | 16:35 |
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| harlowja_at_home | any stuck reviews or specs that we can try to focus on for folks? | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link http://bit.ly/1oDpFQ5 (all oslo reviews) | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | specs @ https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslo-specs | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | guess everyone getting everything reviewed then, nice :) | 16:37 |
| kgiusti | harlowja_at_home: what did I mess up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314603/ | 16:37 |
| kgiusti | harlowja_at_home: it doesn't appear in the spec list | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslo-specs ? | 16:38 |
| kgiusti | harlowja_at_home: at least on that short url, that is | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | ah | 16:38 |
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| harlowja_at_home | maybe gotta update the short-url | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, weird whats up with that | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | i blame gerrit | 16:38 |
| * kgiusti is good with that :) | 16:38 | |
| harlowja_at_home | i'll regenerate the short-link a little later, maybe something wonky with it | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | or ya, evil gerrit, lol | 16:39 |
| kgiusti | Just offhand - when is the feature freeze date for oslo.messaging features in newton? | 16:40 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, re specs, working around the context policy things, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290907/ has been discussed. I think it's impact needs input from other projects | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | let's see here http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 16:40 |
| rbradfor | - Standardize Context Arguments spec, especially if projects abuse putting name values into id releated fields. | 16:40 |
| amrith | I have a q about this spec | 16:40 |
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| amrith | Will this change the oslo.context object as it is today? | 16:41 |
| amrith | Trove currently uses it and sends it in an RPC message to guests. | 16:41 |
| amrith | if the object changes, that'd be bad for Trove. | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | kgiusti, i believe thats 'Aug 29-02' for this | 16:41 |
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| kgiusti | harlowja_at_home: looks like it's going to be a busy summer.... | 16:42 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, agreed, it'd nice if some liasons could look at 290907 (for those that use oslo.context) | 16:42 |
| amrith | rbradfor, harlowja_at_home ... question abotu that spec ^^ | 16:42 |
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| rbradfor | amrith, well it's about providing a backwards compatible solution, (at least one full cycle), but moving from the N projects that subclass just to rename an attribute from the the context values | 16:42 |
| rbradfor | amrith, I'd like to hear of all problems, so we don't cause issues, such as with Trove | 16:43 |
| amrith | rbradfor, I will chat with you about this. | 16:43 |
| amrith | once I understand the spec better | 16:43 |
| amrith | thanks for the heads up | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, if u want me to send out a ML email, i'd be willing to as well | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | get people to start thinking about that ... | 16:44 |
| rbradfor | amrith, trove does none of the mess we are trying to improve on | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | (people that may not be here that is) | 16:44 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, ML will do. | 16:44 |
| amrith | rbradfor, give us time :) | 16:44 |
| amrith | rbradfor, don't challenge us :) | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:45 |
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| rbradfor | amrith, it's just a spec, I wrote it over 2 months ago, and it will probably be a long time before enough people comment on it, so time is on your side | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:45 |
| amrith | ha | 16:45 |
| amrith | let me go buy a lottery ticket | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | time is on your side for those as well | 16:45 |
| kgiusti | but the odds sure as heck are not | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | ;) | 16:46 |
| amrith | kgiusti, that's true ... | 16:46 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anything else anyone wants to bring up? | 16:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, when we gonna start that blog stuffs ;) | 16:47 |
| * dims runs and hides | 16:47 | |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, yeah, I keep dreading that question. | 16:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:47 |
| rbradfor | I know it's important for Oslo and all | 16:47 |
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| rbradfor | but I proposed a plan and made a schedule, so time to man up | 16:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'd be up for trying at least | 16:48 |
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| harlowja_at_home | if it doesn't work out,that's ok | 16:48 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, let me dig up my half done kick of post and run it by you Wednesday | 16:49 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:49 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, thanks for bringing up the topic | 16:49 |
| harlowja_at_home | np, at least we can try, that's what matters to me | 16:49 |
| * harlowja_at_home needs to hire a ghost-writer, ha | 16:50 | |
| rbradfor | you can't ghost write technical, e.g. code blocks. | 16:50 |
| harlowja_at_home | hmmm, good point, lol | 16:51 |
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| harlowja_at_home | okie dokie, back to your regular scheduled programming in 3 | 16:52 |
| harlowja_at_home | 2 | 16:52 |
| harlowja_at_home | 1 | 16:52 |
| amrith | thanks harlowja_at_home | 16:52 |
| harlowja_at_home | np :) | 16:52 |
| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 16:53 |
| * amrith gets anxious. what comes after 1? | 16:53 | |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 16 16:53:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-05-16-16.00.html | 16:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-05-16-16.00.txt | 16:53 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-05-16-16.00.log.html | 16:53 |
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| harlowja_at_home | 0 | 16:53 |
| harlowja_at_home | then -1 | 16:53 |
| harlowja_at_home | ;) | 16:53 |
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| harlowja_at_home | see ya'll in #openstack-oslo | 16:53 |
| harlowja_at_home | bbiab | 16:53 |
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| mfedosin | Courtesy meeting reminder ( #openstack-meeting-alt ): nikhil_k, ativelkov, mfedosin, docaedo, dshakhray, kfox111, kairat, nikhil, sudipto | 17:30 |
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| docaedo | o/ | 17:32 |
| nikhil | o/ | 17:32 |
| * docaedo is on a plane so connectivity is no guarantee :) | 17:32 | |
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| mfedosin | hey! | 17:32 |
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| mfedosin | #startmeeting glare | 17:32 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 16 17:32:59 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mfedosin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:33 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glare' | 17:33 |
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| mfedosin | #topic agenda | 17:33 |
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| mfedosin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-artifacts-sub-team-meeting-agenda | 17:33 |
| mfedosin | #topic Updates | 17:33 |
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| mfedosin | So, I haven't been involved in Glare last two weeks | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | but kairat and dshakray made a great work | 17:35 |
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| mfedosin | before the summit we defined a list of items that must be done before merging | 17:35 |
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| mfedosin | there were 11 points | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | 10 of them are implemented | 17:35 |
| docaedo | nice! | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | only db is left | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | it lead to the fact that after some testing we are ready to merge it | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | I updated API spec in late April | 17:36 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: can I say something here? | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | sure | 17:36 |
| nikhil | so, the only way this will merge it soon is if people know what is being implemented and how | 17:37 |
| nikhil | and the way to do that is working upstream | 17:37 |
| nikhil | otherwise, we will again have last minute -1, -2s | 17:37 |
| nikhil | as people will not see things fit for some of the use cases | 17:37 |
| nikhil | So, like I mentioned at the summit: | 17:37 |
| mfedosin | yeah, it was my next topic :) | 17:37 |
| nikhil | ok, let's carry on for now. I can add comments later. | 17:38 |
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| mfedosin | for sure we need to have good documentation | 17:38 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: that's not enough | 17:38 |
| nikhil | to be really honest | 17:38 |
| mfedosin | what else? | 17:38 |
| nikhil | I can share the plan to "how to do it" upstream later with you | 17:39 |
| nikhil | you should carry on with your agenda for now. I may take 15-20 mins for that. | 17:39 |
| mfedosin | okay, great | 17:39 |
| mfedosin | we can talk later about "how to do it in upstream" | 17:40 |
| nikhil | k | 17:40 |
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| mfedosin | on Wednesday we're going to have a meeting dedicated to final Glare API | 17:40 |
| nikhil | send that notice to ML | 17:41 |
| mfedosin | walk through the spec and update it if needed | 17:41 |
| mfedosin | good point, but I meant inner meeting | 17:41 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: from now on, no inner meetings please | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | but upstream is good idea | 17:42 |
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| mfedosin | for example, on Friday | 17:42 |
| nikhil | I think for a POC that's fine. but once the idea is in good shape, let's do the discussion 100% upstream | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | I'll send this email in ML | 17:42 |
| nikhil | k | 17:42 |
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| mfedosin | #topic Merge plans | 17:43 |
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| mfedosin | let's define it | 17:43 |
| mfedosin | what is definition of done for the spec? | 17:43 |
| mfedosin | I mean how detailed it should be | 17:44 |
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| nikhil | I think for now let's focus on the bare minimum | 17:44 |
| nikhil | and we need to clearly indicate that it is so | 17:44 |
| nikhil | and also document what will/can be implemented and what are future plans | 17:44 |
| nikhil | let us focus on "just" Newton now | 17:45 |
| nikhil | let us tell the story of how this API will improve in features over time | 17:45 |
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| mfedosin | so it should be another spec? | 17:45 |
| nikhil | so, the first and foremost thing to do is to come up with the "minimal" set of calls needed for say HEAT | 17:45 |
| nikhil | and let's say that in the spec | 17:46 |
| mfedosin | or it's a part of existing one? | 17:46 |
| mfedosin | ok, I see | 17:46 |
| nikhil | for now, just one spec | 17:46 |
| nikhil | we can discuss future plans later. | 17:46 |
| mfedosin | what about API examples there? | 17:46 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: the more the better | 17:46 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: but let's not go in too much detail for now | 17:47 |
| mfedosin | the spec will be huge :) | 17:47 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: for example let's not worry about tags if that is not needed | 17:47 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: let us not worry about import or sharing | 17:47 |
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| mfedosin | yeah, only base part | 17:48 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: the first spec will be reasonable big but that's okay. | 17:48 |
| nikhil | reasonably* | 17:48 |
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| mfedosin | and about the code | 17:48 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: also, I think it will be really useful if we can get a liaison from heat and someone else from glance actually working on the code | 17:49 |
| mfedosin | we agreed to separate in small patches before merge - not this one big commit | 17:49 |
| nikhil | correct | 17:49 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: I told you - we have one | 17:49 |
| nikhil | k, let's make sure all that is done upstream | 17:49 |
| mfedosin | and he's already writing a spec for Heat | 17:49 |
| nikhil | people have a _strong_ dislike for code that is _dumped_ upstream | 17:50 |
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| mfedosin | also, we decided don't include images artifact type initially | 17:51 |
| nikhil | correct | 17:52 |
| mfedosin | and no special features :) | 17:52 |
| mfedosin | I predict that amount of code without tests will be 5000-7000 LOC | 17:53 |
| nikhil | 👍 | 17:53 |
| mfedosin | may be less | 17:53 |
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| nikhil | umm | 17:53 |
| nikhil | ok, let's see what we can remove as possible | 17:54 |
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| mfedosin | db part is very big | 17:54 |
| nikhil | just make sure each patch is 250LOC with unit tests | 17:54 |
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| mfedosin | all these migrations... | 17:54 |
| nikhil | eh | 17:54 |
| mfedosin | I think there will be about 15 patches | 17:54 |
| mfedosin | 200-300 LOC each | 17:55 |
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| nikhil | ok, let's see | 17:55 |
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| nikhil | once they are out we need to meet to discuss what can be done first | 17:55 |
| nikhil | note: people are getting worried about code not being upstream | 17:56 |
| mfedosin | yup | 17:56 |
| mfedosin | it's all on review :) | 17:56 |
| nikhil | with WIP ? | 17:56 |
| mfedosin | except db part | 17:56 |
| mfedosin | yeah | 17:56 |
| nikhil | :) | 17:56 |
| docaedo | yeah as far as I knew everything was out there (that's what we played with in app-catalog land) | 17:56 |
| nikhil | I see | 17:57 |
| nikhil | so for consumers it is out there | 17:57 |
| nikhil | for reviewers (hard part) we need to make sure it's in the right shape for it to be reviewed | 17:57 |
| mfedosin | kind of :) | 17:57 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: 250LOC /each :) | 17:57 |
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| mfedosin | as I mentioned on the summit will start to split it in early June | 17:58 |
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| mfedosin | and if it's possible will have the spec been merged by that time | 17:58 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: hmm, ok. let me know in detail what are the blockers so that I can plan accordingly. | 17:58 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: this week we are supposed to focus on spec reviews as per my email | 17:59 |
| nikhil | the more you review someone else's work, the more review you can get on your work ;-) | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | gotcha ;) | 17:59 |
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| nikhil | check my emails to the ML | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | for sure! | 18:00 |
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| nikhil | I am sending all that for people to use the approach to get things done fast! | 18:00 |
| nikhil | gtg | 18:00 |
| nikhil | next meeting | 18:00 |
| nikhil | thanks! | 18:00 |
| mfedosin | thank you for that | 18:00 |
| mfedosin | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 16 18:00:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-05-16-17.32.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-05-16-17.32.txt | 18:00 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 16 20:00:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:01 |
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| * redrobot checks clock | 20:02 | |
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| kfarr | o/ | 20:02 |
| showerthoughtbot | kfarr: I'd rather have sex with a 6/10 that was super into me than a 10/10 who was half-assing it. | 20:02 |
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| kfarr | D: D: D: | 20:02 |
| redrobot | wtf was that? | 20:02 |
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| woodster_ | o/ | 20:03 |
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| dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:04 |
| redrobot | looks like only a few of us are here today | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | as usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | #topic Action Items from last meeting | 20:05 |
| edtubill | o/ | 20:05 |
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| diazjf | o/ | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-05-09-20.00.html | 20:05 |
| panatl | o/ | 20:05 |
| redrobot | the only action item was for me | 20:05 |
| redrobot | and I didn't get a chance to work on it last week, so | 20:06 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to work on install doc skeleton | 20:06 |
| redrobot | puuunt! ;D | 20:06 |
| redrobot | ok, then, I can't think of anything off the top of my head to talk about | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | #topic Newton M1 | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 20:07 |
| redrobot | just a heads up that milestone one is a couple of weeks away | 20:07 |
| redrobot | I'd like for us to land some blueprints before then | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | so please take some time to look at the bps currently in review | 20:07 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/barbican-specs+status:open | 20:08 |
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| max__ | \o | 20:08 |
| diazjf | redrobot, I still owe you a review on the container PUT | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | diazjf I'll take that IOU | 20:10 |
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| redrobot | any questions about the upcoming milestone release? | 20:12 |
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| arunkant | o/ | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | ok then, moving on | 20:13 |
| redrobot | #topic Open Discussion | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | Any bugs/reviews that need attention? | 20:14 |
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| arunkant | Can someone review this..https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311830/ | 20:15 |
| diazjf | redrobot, can anyone review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313788/ | 20:15 |
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| redrobot | arunkant diazjf queued up for review today | 20:16 |
| arunkant | and also this one..https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306599/ . | 20:16 |
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| diazjf | redrobot, awesome dalé | 20:16 |
| arunkant | redrobot: thanks | 20:16 |
| redrobot | any other topics that need discussion? | 20:17 |
| redrobot | if not we may have a record setting short meeting | 20:17 |
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| kfarr | Is there going to be a mid-cycle? | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | kfarr good question | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | I talked to Rob Clark (hyakuei) during the Summit | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | he liked that we had a joint security/barbican mid-cycle last time and he'd like for us to do it again. | 20:18 |
| redrobot | I figured San Antonio or Austin would work since most devs are located in one of those two cities | 20:19 |
| redrobot | also open to suggestions | 20:19 |
| diazjf | redrobot, I can maybe get support to host it here at IBM. Maybe we can have a vote next meeting | 20:20 |
| redrobot | diazjf yeah that sounds good | 20:20 |
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| diazjf | I'll talk to the boss man today and see if iits a possibility | 20:21 |
| redrobot | #action diazjf to inquire about hosting the Barbican (and possibly also OSSP) mid-cycle at IBM Austin. | 20:21 |
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| redrobot | Jul 04-06 is the week before M-2 | 20:22 |
| redrobot | Aug 22-26 is the week before M-3 (feature freeze) | 20:22 |
| * redrobot thinks Aug 22-26 might be good | 20:23 | |
| diazjf | redrobot, cool | 20:23 |
| redrobot | but it's going to be hot as hell down here in TX | 20:23 |
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| diazjf | I wish we could do it in Miami ;) | 20:24 |
| nsun1 | do what? | 20:25 |
| diazjf | midcycle! | 20:25 |
| diazjf | nsun1 ^ | 20:25 |
| redrobot | diazjf that would be pretty cool... beachside midcycle, what? | 20:26 |
| diazjf | redrobot, haha yeah. Thats the right idea | 20:26 |
| diazjf | We can talk about barbican on the beach over margaritas and coronas | 20:27 |
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| redrobot | ok, anything else guys? | 20:28 |
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| redrobot | let's call it a day, then | 20:29 |
| redrobot | thanks for coming, everyone! | 20:29 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 16 20:29:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-05-16-20.00.html | 20:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-05-16-20.00.txt | 20:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-05-16-20.00.log.html | 20:29 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello Product WG | 21:01 |
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| kencjohnston | hi Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:01 |
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| carolbarrett_ | Hi everyonr | 21:01 |
| MeganR | Hi | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett_ | #startmeeting product working group | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 16 21:01:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carolbarrett_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| kencjohnston | o/ | 21:02 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Sorry I was out of the pocket since Wed for family emergency. Only was abel to review fleet user story | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett_ | you can find the agenda here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett_ | Let's start with roll call | 21:02 |
| kei_ | o/ | 21:02 |
| shamail | hi everyone | 21:02 |
| MeganR | o/ | 21:02 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett_ | Hi Shamail | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett_ | Hi Kei | 21:02 |
| cloudrancher | o/ | 21:02 |
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| leong | ol | 21:03 |
| leong | o/ | 21:03 |
| carolbarrett_ | #topic Newton Cycle Focus Areas | 21:03 |
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| pchadwick | o/ | 21:03 |
| pchadwick | Hi everyone | 21:03 |
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| carolbarrett_ | From looking at the etherpad for the working session, there were a couple of areas that seemed higher priority to people. | 21:04 |
| carolbarrett_ | They are the ones listed at the link above | 21:04 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Execute Work Flow Pilot? | 21:04 |
| carolbarrett_ | I'd like to use some time in this meeting to discuss these and see if we can get an agreement on the focus areas for this development cycle | 21:05 |
| pchadwick | o/ | 21:05 |
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| KrishR | o/ | 21:05 |
| carolbarrett_ | Arkady: In the discussion with the Board/TC and the Design Summit session on our work flow, there were some suggestions for how we evolve it to better integrate with the development flow | 21:05 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | i remember | 21:06 |
| carolbarrett_ | Piloting the work flow, refers to taking the new flow and selecting a user story to test it with | 21:06 |
| carolbarrett_ | Arkady: sorry, what is your question? | 21:06 |
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| MarkBaker | o/ | 21:06 |
| carolbarrett_ | Hi Mark | 21:06 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | new user story or one whcih we arleady driving, like rolling upgrade? | 21:07 |
| carolbarrett_ | Arkady_Kanevksy: Excellent question. We started to list out some criteria for a good pilot...which I think will lead us to something new | 21:07 |
| carolbarrett_ | User Story Selection Criteria: Blueprints will be needed in multiple projects; Greenfield Request | 21:08 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | To my recollection there some decisions that nova team had doen (in conjucture with TC) and other folks are no aware of it. | 21:08 |
| carolbarrett_ | Does anyone disagree with a focus on work flow validation? | 21:08 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Some of out use cases in user stories conflict iwht these decisions | 21:08 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | We need to run it by TCs to get feedback on what was already discussed and/or agreed by project WG | 21:09 |
| pchadwick | carolbarrett_: works for me | 21:09 |
| carolbarrett_ | Arkady: not following your line of thought | 21:09 |
| leong | carolbarrett_ +1 | 21:10 |
| carolbarrett_ | Thanks - I think we've got support for that one - details to be worked | 21:10 |
| carolbarrett_ | #agree 1 of the focus areas for Newton development cycle is validating the updated work flow | 21:11 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | some of our user stories have use cases that TC or Nova already discussed and agreed not to follow. If we put that as use case as requirement than technical communitee will not be very receptive since it is closed issue for them. | 21:11 |
| carolbarrett_ | Next focus area is Roadmap - evoling the themes and views associated with them. | 21:11 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | rollback is an example of it. | 21:11 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 on validating workflow. | 21:11 |
| leong | Arkady, rolling upgrade use case will be a special one, i don't think we want to use that to pilot? | 21:12 |
| kencjohnston | leong +1 | 21:12 |
| carolbarrett_ | arkady_kanevsky: I don't think those user stories would meet the greenfield criteria | 21:12 |
| shamail | carolbarrett_: +1 | 21:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do we choose new user story for newton or pick one we already driving since Mitaka | 21:12 |
| carolbarrett_ | leong: +1 | 21:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK, on new story | 21:12 |
| carolbarrett_ | Yes | 21:12 |
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| carolbarrett_ | What do you all think of the Roadmap work being a focus for us this cycle? | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | How about Fleet management as geanee pig story for workflow? | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | we have 2 new themes in Newton. | 21:14 |
| KrishR | Arkady_Kanevsky: fleet mgmt is not cross-project in nature but potentially a separate project under the big tent | 21:14 |
| pchadwick | Getting agreement on the themes early would be good. | 21:14 |
| MarkBaker | carolbarrett_, yes to roadmap work. | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Driving them into roadmap woudl be my recommended priority | 21:14 |
| shamail | carolbarrett_: +1 to roadmap | 21:14 |
| leong | carolbarrett_ +1 for roadmap | 21:14 |
| KrishR | carolbarrett-: +1 to roadmap work | 21:14 |
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| MeganR | +1 for roadmap | 21:15 |
| carolbarrett_ | #agree Evolving roadmap themes and corresponding views will be a focus area for the Newton cycle | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | KrishR - not sure about it. SIcne I expect it will overlap with Fuel and TripleO and Ironic | 21:15 |
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| MeganR | @MarkBaker: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/craton-meeting-2016-05-16 - notes from the Fleet, now Craton, meeting today | 21:16 |
| carolbarrett_ | So next proposal is working with the OPNFV community to better integrate the flow of user stories from their community into OpenStack, with development committed resources t | 21:16 |
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| MarkBaker | MeganR, thanks | 21:17 |
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| carolbarrett_ | I was thinking we would get through the focus area discussion and then have a deeper discussion about each. | 21:17 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Suggest we tackle themes first. Otherwise we will need to go back and retrofit all roadmaps into update themes | 21:17 |
| carolbarrett_ | arkady_kanevsky: +1 | 21:18 |
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| carolbarrett_ | What's the team viewpoint on the OPNFV collaboration? | 21:18 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 on OPNFV but after we agree on themes | 21:18 |
| pchadwick | Arkady_Kanevsky: +1 | 21:19 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett_ is OPNFV synonymous with "cloudlets"? | 21:19 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Carol, why OPNFV and not wider NFV community? | 21:19 |
| kencjohnston | Or is this the general NFV use case? | 21:19 |
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| carolbarrett_ | OPNFV is an example of an Open Source ecosystem community | 21:20 |
| MarkBaker | Arkady_Kanevsky, I believe OPNFV has biggest commitment to OpenStack, most in common | 21:20 |
| carolbarrett_ | It's about bringing the NFV use cases into OpenStack for action | 21:20 |
| carolbarrett_ | MarkBaker: +1 | 21:20 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | MarkBaker: +1 | 21:21 |
| carolbarrett_ | Given the commonalities between OpenStack and OPNFV it seemed like a good starting point for figuring out how we collaborate with other open source communities | 21:21 |
| carolbarrett_ | They won't be the only ones we want to do this with, I hope | 21:21 |
| carolbarrett_ | Anyone oppose this as our 3rd focus area? | 21:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Want to be very clear with them that we create user stories that are applicable to all "workloads" and prioritiy is given to cross workload ones. | 21:22 |
| pchadwick | OK with me | 21:22 |
| kencjohnston | I guess I'd rather figure out how we integrate with players in the Conatiner ecosystem before OPNFV | 21:22 |
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| kencjohnston | but that's because containers is on my buzzword bingo card... | 21:22 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: OPNFV wants to figure out a way to integrate so thats why they were the first candidate | 21:22 |
| leong | i'm fine with OPNFV | 21:22 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Ken - we already have magnum, kolla, kuryr... | 21:23 |
| pchadwick | I suspect that opnfv will have some container questions anyway | 21:23 |
| leong | moving forward, we can also include container as kencjohnston has mentioned | 21:23 |
| shamail | Plus, the good news is that its mainly organizations that also have OpenStack presence making it (hopefully) easier to move stories forward | 21:23 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Nothing NFV specific WG as far as I know | 21:23 |
| carolbarrett_ | leong: +1 | 21:23 |
| kencjohnston | shamail ok, so this is in response to their inquiry? | 21:23 |
| shamail | recommendation by the board | 21:24 |
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| shamail | plus willingness from the community | 21:24 |
| carolbarrett_ | Sounds like there's support for starting with OPNFV and then looking to identify a container community next. OK? | 21:24 |
| kencjohnston | shamail ok gotcha | 21:24 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett_ +1 | 21:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:24 |
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| leong | +1 | 21:24 |
| shamail | carolbarrett_: +1 | 21:24 |
| kei_ | +1 | 21:24 |
| MeganR | +1 | 21:24 |
| carolbarrett_ | #agree 3rd focus area for Newton is integration with OPNFV, with a plan to follow that with a Container Community | 21:25 |
| carolbarrett_ | Good stuff! | 21:25 |
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| carolbarrett_ | Let's go to Roadmap Themes | 21:25 |
| shamail | Sweet | 21:25 |
| carolbarrett_ | #topic Roadmap Themes and Views | 21:25 |
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| carolbarrett_ | Shamail - take it away! | 21:25 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | How do propose we engage with OPNFV? hey can submit user stories now and use nay of the accepted one as example. | 21:25 |
| shamail | Thanks | 21:25 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | They are weclome to this call of course. | 21:26 |
| shamail | Before we begin roadmap discussion, I’d like to quickly discuss the Newton Design Series first… We have two interviews that need volunteers: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Newton_design_series_PTL_interview | 21:26 |
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| shamail | We need someone to cover Rally and RefStack | 21:26 |
| shamail | please look at your schedules (if you’re volunteering to help with the design series) and see if they fit | 21:27 |
| carolbarrett_ | Link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_yCSDGnhIbzQS15UVJzVGV1Q1U/view?usp=sharing | 21:27 |
| shamail | Okay, now moving on to the real topic | 21:27 |
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| shamail | Thanks carolbarrett_ | 21:27 |
| shamail | We had discussed adding two new themes during our midcycle (Security and UX) | 21:27 |
| carolbarrett_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Newton_design_series_PTL_interview | 21:27 |
| shamail | the challenge was that it would break our existing views | 21:27 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I took Rally one | 21:28 |
| shamail | since going above 5 themes would be hard with them | 21:28 |
| shamail | thanks Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:28 |
| shamail | I’ll follow up via email | 21:28 |
| shamail | I have put together a new view (google link that carolbarrett_ posted above) to switch the 1,000 ft view into a themes view | 21:28 |
| shamail | This would allow people to see all changes related to a theme that is important to them | 21:28 |
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| shamail | The main slide would list all the themes (slide 3) | 21:29 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I took refstack also | 21:29 |
| shamail | and then each of the names would be a hyperlink | 21:29 |
| pchadwick | Do we want to list every project or just the most used ones? | 21:29 |
| shamail | When you click the hyperlink, it will take you to a “theme view” (replacing the 1,000 ft view) that shows all changes categorized under that theme | 21:29 |
| shamail | e.g. slide 4 | 21:29 |
| pchadwick | Part of the problem in visualization is covering everything | 21:29 |
| shamail | pchadwick: Right now, we will all projects with > 10% adoption and some special ones that serve horizontal needs in the community (oslo, refstack, docs, ansible, etc) | 21:30 |
| shamail | Are you proposing to keep the 100 ft view for those projects but not show them in the themes view? | 21:30 |
| kencjohnston | shamail I'm not sure the "What is happening in this theme" view is that valuable. | 21:31 |
| pchadwick | I would at least consider raising the bar on what we include | 21:31 |
| shamail | The scalability sample slide actually uses the content from our real roadmap deck… all projects were able to fit in one slide | 21:31 |
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| shamail | kencjohnston: fair enough… does the existing 1K foot view provide more value in your opinion? | 21:31 |
| pchadwick | But I think it loses the cross release evolution | 21:31 |
| kencjohnston | shamail I'm trying to put myself into the shoes of someone who wants to know the direction of where OpenStack is headed. | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | single slide per theme will be too busy. | 21:32 |
| kencjohnston | and the former view worked better. | 21:32 |
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| kencjohnston | And the intent was to show which projects were working inside of given themes. | 21:32 |
| shamail | So should we keep our previous view? If so, we can’t hold more than 5 themes in a single slide | 21:32 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Shamail, are oyu proposing to tag blueprints so we can build slides automatically? | 21:32 |
| leong | the former ones looks more "release-oriented", this new proposal looks more "theme-oriented" | 21:32 |
| kencjohnston | shamail right, I was wondering, can we consolidate some of the themes? | 21:32 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: agreed… the main purpose for brainstorming was due to themes increasing from 5 to 7 | 21:33 |
| kencjohnston | are some themes becoming less prevelant? | 21:33 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | We do one sldie wiht all current themes | 21:33 |
| shamail | No, they all seem to be fairly active still | 21:33 |
| pchadwick | I think Arkady and I got UX on the slide at least ;) | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | and 1 or more slide per theme in order of them to be readable | 21:33 |
| shamail | We went from 5 to 7 to reduce the coarseness of “manageability" | 21:33 |
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| kencjohnston | hmm.. | 21:33 |
| shamail | pchadwick: Once the project data is populated, it probably won’t fit | 21:34 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | we added security and split managability in to UX and managability | 21:34 |
| shamail | Did you update the content to include sentences under those themes? | 21:34 |
| kencjohnston | Arkady_Kanevsky shamail and we broke them out to show more detail at the "theme" level? | 21:34 |
| kencjohnston | If we feel like people want more theme level views/data then I htink shamail is headed in the right direction | 21:35 |
| kencjohnston | with the new views | 21:35 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: not sure how to validate, mailing list? | 21:35 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I am looking at slide 3 now that lists 7 themese | 21:35 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | themes | 21:35 |
| kencjohnston | shamail did we get feedback in the summit presentations | 21:35 |
| shamail | yes but that is just themes with no content | 21:35 |
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| kencjohnston | to analysts/users/operators? | 21:35 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | We need much better coordination with board and its marketing activies to stay on the same page. | 21:36 |
| shamail | We did kencjohnston, from the operators, they don’t have value for any of the views (want more focus on day to day needs than future releases) | 21:36 |
| KrishR | kencjohnston: one user at the summit asked that the roadmap link to user requirements....themes may be a good way to make that link | 21:36 |
| kencjohnston | I don't want ot revisit a previous decision, so if we want the views I think you've done a great job iwth them shamail | 21:36 |
| shamail | We did not get feedback from users/business decision makers/analysts | 21:36 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: The only decision we made was to increase the number of themes. We don’t have a solution for views yet… the open item was how do we expand themes since they break the current 1K view | 21:37 |
| shamail | Should we break each slide into 4 themes each? | 21:37 |
| pchadwick | We did get some comments in the themes session, but I'm not sure what roles were represented | 21:37 |
| shamail | Still keep 1000 ft view (as is) but instead of one slide…. use two slides per project? | 21:37 |
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| pchadwick | I would do it by project. | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Like 1000ft view slide(s) | 21:38 |
| kencjohnston | shamail +1 i think that would be good | 21:38 |
| shamail | first slide would have scalability, resiliency, manageability, modularity…. second slide would have interoperability, security, ux | 21:38 |
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| shamail | pchadwick: by project would be adding themes to the 100 ft view | 21:38 |
| pchadwick | that works for me. | 21:38 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | We need both. We need how themes are covered across porjects. and inside projects what are "specs/blueprints" associated with each theme | 21:38 |
| pchadwick | (at least it seems more intuitive that I would want to see how a project evolves as opposed to a specific theme) | 21:39 |
| MarkBaker | Arkady_Kanevsky, yep | 21:39 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | 100ft project view covers second need | 21:39 |
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| shamail | So let’s vote on two options: A) Keep 1000 ft view but use two slides to represent up to 8 themes or B) drop 1000 ft view and move theme data into the 100 ft view (show per project) | 21:39 |
| shamail | ? | 21:39 |
| shamail | That was “B )” not sunglass emoji lol | 21:39 |
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| kencjohnston | shamail I vote for A | 21:39 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | shamail can you ptovide more details on what w eare voting? | 21:40 |
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| MeganR | vote for A | 21:40 |
| shamail | So both A and B (based on conversation between Arkady_Kanevsky and MarkBaker + our general consensus that 1K is valuable)? | 21:40 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I am trying to map it back to 2 sets of requirements I stated. | 21:40 |
| leong | i go for A | 21:41 |
| KrishR | shamail: actually, option 3 would be change 1000ft view to show one slide per theme (across To date, Newton, Ocata) | 21:41 |
| shamail | How about this: Update 1K view to be two slides and add theme categorization to 100 ft view as well? | 21:41 |
| KrishR | option C | 21:41 |
| shamail | The re-work is not much since we have that data already | 21:41 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Shamail, how on 1000 ft view we show al,l projects that are working on a theme? | 21:41 |
| pchadwick | I'm ok with adding some theme info to 100 ft view | 21:41 |
| MarkBaker | we need to map advances made in each project against a theme | 21:41 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: we don’t… the view I showed as the demo today would have allowed that but we prefer to keep the cross project view on themes | 21:41 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I think we need one more click down a theme to see "all" projects working on it in this release | 21:41 |
| shamail | That is what the view in the google link is showing Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:42 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 on A and +1 on B. But we need to refine A. | 21:42 |
| pchadwick | At a minimum, on the 100 ft view we could put some sort of code next to each line item to indicate which theme it fits into | 21:42 |
| shamail | So are we good with moving forward with the “how about this: “ proposal I made? | 21:42 |
| shamail | pchadwick: +1 | 21:42 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Slide 4 dives into details inside the projects | 21:42 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | pchadwick: +1 | 21:43 |
| pchadwick | shamail: "how about this" +1 | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | can we use color coding per theme? | 21:43 |
| pchadwick | With codes on the 100 ft. | 21:43 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: good with this? | 21:43 |
| shamail | Sure can Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:43 |
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| pchadwick | In a community this big, we have to consider color blindness, so can't rely just on color. | 21:43 |
| carolbarrett_ | #agree Update Roadmap 1K view to be two slides and add theme categorization to 100 ft view as well | 21:43 |
| shamail | thanks carolbarrett_ | 21:44 |
| shamail | that’s all for now | 21:44 |
| carolbarrett_ | Thanks Shamail | 21:44 |
| shamail | pchadwick: we won’t… we can add it but I still like your suggestion of a marker | 21:44 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks all | 21:44 |
| carolbarrett_ | Next topic - upcoming meetings | 21:44 |
| carolbarrett_ | #topic Upcoming meetings | 21:44 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | What do we need to do fpor rolling upgrades user story? I thought we merged it already. | 21:45 |
| carolbarrett_ | The proposal is to use the next meeting for updates on the top 5 user stories with an eye to updating the team, asking for help and identifying work flow pilot | 21:45 |
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| carolbarrett_ | Thoughts? | 21:46 |
| shamail | +1 | 21:46 |
| KrishR | +1 | 21:46 |
| leong | +1 | 21:46 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:46 |
| MarkBaker | +1 | 21:47 |
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| leong | The top 5 are: Rolling Upgrade, HA VM, Baremetal, Capacity Mgmt, Fleet Mgmt? | 21:47 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | rolling upgrade is not under review... | 21:48 |
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| carolbarrett_ | Leong: Yes, I was just looking to see what 1 I missed - Thanks! | 21:48 |
| carolbarrett_ | Can all of the user story owners make next week's meeting? | 21:48 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Is capacity management is capacity control user story? | 21:49 |
| leong | i'm fine on May 23 | 21:49 |
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| KrishR | i'm fine with 5/23 | 21:49 |
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| pchadwick | 23-May should be good for me. | 21:50 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett_ I'm fine with 5/23 | 21:50 |
| carolbarrett_ | arkady_kanevsky: Capacity Management is its own story | 21:50 |
| carolbarrett_ | Shamail: Can you make 5/23? | 21:50 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Just to be clear that does not mean that we only review these 5 user stories but that we review them first and give feedback to autthors to update. | 21:50 |
| shamail | it will be tough for me, CF summit | 21:50 |
| shamail | but ill create an etherpad | 21:50 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Then I do not see capacity mgmt in user stories udner review | 21:50 |
| carolbarrett_ | arkady_kanevsky: for the 5/23 meeting we will focus only on those 5 - I don't think we will have time for others | 21:51 |
| carolbarrett_ | Shamail: OK, we'll use your etherpad and follow-up afterwards as needed. | 21:51 |
| shamail | thanks | 21:51 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | to discuss at the meteing - yes. To review in the tooll - now | 21:51 |
| carolbarrett_ | #agree 5/23 team meeting will review Top 5 user stories for the purpose of updating the team, getting feedback, getting help and selecting a user story to pilot work flow | 21:52 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | ahope we pick only one for the meteing next time. | 21:52 |
| carolbarrett_ | We'll cancel our meeting for 5/30, since it's a US holiday | 21:52 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Can we use phone bridge for story discussion? | 21:52 |
| carolbarrett_ | if the team wants to move to phone for that meeting, I'm fine. What's the group viewpoint on this? | 21:53 |
| pchadwick | Phone or go to meeting makes more sense to me. | 21:53 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett_ I'd prefer IRC | 21:53 |
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| kencjohnston | but I'm fine eitherway | 21:53 |
| leong | i'm fine with either phone or irc.. | 21:54 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | typing comments takes too long and feedback on a comment with eat 10-15 min | 21:54 |
| shamail | Im fine with either | 21:54 |
| kencjohnston | IRC means we don't have to take notes and others can learn the status | 21:54 |
| MeganR | I'd prefer phone or video | 21:54 |
| KrishR | i'm fine with either, though phone is preferred | 21:54 |
| carolbarrett_ | kencjohnston: we can setup an etherpad as the vehicle to capture notes | 21:54 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | phone is my preference with open review of a story | 21:54 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | suggest we capture nodes in review | 21:55 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | nodes-> notes | 21:55 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett_ are we going to be openly reviewing the story, or reviewing the status of the story? | 21:55 |
| carolbarrett_ | #agree use phone for 5/23 user story review meeting and have an etherpad to capture discussion | 21:55 |
| kencjohnston | Arkady_Kanevsky is using the word review, but we originally said "provide updates." | 21:55 |
| leong | alternatively i can sign in to irc and capture the notes/agreement in irc for tracking purpose | 21:55 |
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| pchadwick | kencjohnston: +1 | 21:55 |
| carolbarrett_ | kencjohnston - I'd like to focus on the status of the user story and what's needed to advance it | 21:56 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett_ +1 me too | 21:56 |
| pchadwick | carolbarrett_ +1 | 21:56 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | carolbarrett_ +1 | 21:56 |
| carolbarrett_ | #agree Focus for user story review is update on current status and help needed to advance it | 21:56 |
| carolbarrett_ | Lastly, we have talked about starting CPL updates to help each of us keep up with key projects. I'm proposing we start that in the 6/20 meeting | 21:57 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Can we have story updated before meeting, say by this friday? | 21:57 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | the top 3 stories as other 2 are already merged | 21:57 |
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| carolbarrett_ | Each CPL gets 5 mins to provide updates - we can use an etherpad as a place to capture these to expedite the discussion | 21:57 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | What do we do for 2 top stories thta are already merged? | 21:58 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett_ +! for the CPL review starts | 21:58 |
| kencjohnston | Arkady_Kanevsky we are reviewing updates and next steps | 21:58 |
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| kencjohnston | Arkady_Kanevsky perhaps one next step is to help get the story merged | 21:58 |
| kencjohnston | :) | 21:58 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | CPL or author? | 21:58 |
| pchadwick | Is +! more than +1 ? ;) | 21:58 |
| carolbarrett_ | :) | 21:58 |
| kencjohnston | pchadwick in my book | 21:58 |
| kencjohnston | +(not) | 21:59 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | +$ | 21:59 |
| shamail | I have to leave, sorry | 21:59 |
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| shamail | catch you later everyone | 21:59 |
| carolbarrett_ | Any issue with starting the CPL reviews on 6/20? | 21:59 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks everybody | 21:59 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | bye | 22:00 |
| kencjohnston | thanks shamail | 22:00 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett_ none from me | 22:00 |
| pchadwick | By shamail | 22:00 |
| MeganR | bye! | 22:00 |
| pchadwick | 6/20 is good for me. | 22:00 |
| KrishR | bye everyone | 22:00 |
| carolbarrett_ | #agree: CPL updates will start with 6/20 Meeting, Carol will create an etherpad for CPL to log updates | 22:00 |
| carolbarrett_ | Bye folks | 22:00 |
| carolbarrett_ | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| kencjohnston | thanks carolbarrett_ | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 16 22:00:35 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-05-16-21.01.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-05-16-21.01.txt | 22:00 |
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| pchadwick | thanks all | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-05-16-21.01.log.html | 22:00 |
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