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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 23 14:00:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Anyone around this morning? | 14:00 |
| claudiub | o/ | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:00 |
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| cdent | edleafe: is it memorial day? | 14:00 |
| rlrossit | o/ | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| Yingxin | o/ | 14:00 |
| edleafe | cdent: next monday | 14:00 |
| rlrossit | cdent: that's next week | 14:00 |
| sudipto | o/ | 14:00 |
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| cdent | ah, of course | 14:00 |
| * cdent can't do calendars or math | 14:01 | |
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| edleafe | let's give 'em another minute or so | 14:01 |
| bauzas | tick tack | 14:01 |
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| edleafe | #topic Specs | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:02 | |
| edleafe | First up is: Improve Scheduler Logging - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306647/ | 14:02 |
| edleafe | SOme discussion on this one | 14:02 |
| jaypipes | o | 14:02 |
| edleafe | The idea was to keep it simple at first, and then add complexity if needed | 14:03 |
| * jaypipes bleary eyed on PST timezone | 14:03 | |
| edleafe | poor jaypipes | 14:03 |
| edleafe | Anyone have anything to add on that spec? | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I think we all agree with the need for the logging on error, which is good | 14:03 |
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| edleafe | Nit: those aren't errors | 14:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | true, scheduler fails | 14:04 |
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| edleafe | So when NoValidHost is the result, we log every scheduler decision that led up to it | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | what do folks think here, the simple approach, would that be enough? | 14:04 |
| bauzas | so, MHO is that we should approve that spec and discuss on the implementation by the series reviews | 14:05 |
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| bauzas | given it's like a top prio for operators | 14:05 |
| edleafe | With no option to turn that reporting on if a host is selected, but not the one that the operator expected | 14:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: so if you turn on full debug, I think you would get that, but obviously at a cost | 14:06 |
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| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: that wasn't my understanding | 14:06 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: the logs would be cached, and only emitted if NoValidHost | 14:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | right, I guess I was assuming it wrapped the existing logs, not a new system | 14:07 |
| bauzas | what I'd like is to make sure we have something in Newton for providing an accumaled failures log | 14:07 |
| edleafe | Full debug won't record every scheduler decision | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: thats my main concern | 14:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oops | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean bauzas: thats my main concern | 14:07 |
| bauzas | Matt proposed to split the implementation in two phases, one for Newton and one for Ocata | 14:08 |
| edleafe | OK, so let's push this spec forward, and we can always add to the logging in a later change | 14:08 |
| bauzas | I tend to agree with that, but I was more thinking of having a general spec | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess we wait till mirdem is online, and resolve the questions | 14:08 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: if so, we could miss the deadline :/ | 14:08 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I think I'm okay with matt, there are things we can possibly do now and some others to be done later | 14:09 |
| edleafe | Is there a need to hold the spec approval back? | 14:09 |
| edleafe | (for the simplest case) | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | what I am saying, is we don't have the people here to resolve the discussion, so lets follow up with them when they are on line | 14:10 |
| bauzas | or, we could just clarify what we expect | 14:10 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: yeah, agreed | 14:10 |
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| rlrossit | johnthetubaguy: remember mriedem is out for the week | 14:10 |
| edleafe | ok, so we'll table this until matt is back from holiday | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | rlrossit: ah, I totally forgot that, oops | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | so waiting a week doesn't seem overly wise | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | can we merge the basic spec instead? | 14:11 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: hence my proposal to accept the spec with some clear comment that the implementation phase should be a bit more discussed ? | 14:11 |
| edleafe | uh, that's what bauzas and I have been asking :) | 14:11 |
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| bauzas | we could lately revise the spec | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, thats not the same thing here | 14:11 |
| edleafe | or make a follow-up spec | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | we could revise the spec to be more vague, I would happy merge that | 14:11 |
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| edleafe | I'd really like to see the implementation and the load on memory | 14:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: yup, I think we all would | 14:12 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: that looks an acceptable trade-off :) | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | who is going to chase up on getting that done? | 14:13 |
| bauzas | asking cfriesen to provide a new PS just for clarifying that | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | the spec revision that is? | 14:13 |
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| bauzas | I could | 14:13 |
| edleafe | There will be detailed logging for every request stored in memory until it completes | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: awesome, ping me when the new thing is up | 14:13 |
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| edleafe | #action bauzas to ping cfriesen on a new PS for the scheduler logging spec | 14:14 |
| bauzas | is cfriesen on PST ? | 14:14 |
| edleafe | no idea | 14:14 |
| bauzas | edleafe: I was rather thinking of proposing a new PS to clarify our agreement here | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think he is, but not 100% sure | 14:14 |
| edleafe | bauzas: ah, I was reading what johnthetubaguy asked | 14:14 |
| edleafe | #undo | 14:15 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x9fdc410> | 14:15 |
| bauzas | I guess we can move on | 14:15 |
| bauzas | :) | 14:15 |
| edleafe | #action bauzas to push a new PS for the scheduler logging spec clarifying what we discussed here | 14:15 |
| edleafe | Yeah, let's move on | 14:15 |
| edleafe | Next up: WIP Resource providers: dynamic resource classes - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312696/ (Jay) | 14:15 |
| edleafe | still awake, jaypipes? | 14:15 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: yup but no real stuff to talk about on that. | 14:16 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: I need to push a new rev of resource-providers-allocations today and get dansmith's signoff on it. | 14:16 |
| edleafe | ok, sounds good | 14:16 |
| edleafe | Next up: Add newton spec for ordered filter scheduler - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256323/ (John) | 14:16 |
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| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: want to discuss any of the comments here? | 14:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, not sure I get your question, only just spotted it right now | 14:18 |
| bauzas | I'll review that spec asap | 14:18 |
| bauzas | I have a pretty decent backlog of specs to look at | 14:18 |
| edleafe | bauzas: I think we all do :) | 14:18 |
| bauzas | and I was a bit off those days | 14:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: whats your question about soft filter? you need an example? | 14:18 |
| bauzas | soft filter is an oxymoron, right ? :) | 14:19 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: yes :) | 14:19 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: well, I get the "I'd prefer if this host had X" case | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, you mean the quantitive ones | 14:19 |
| edleafe | but not how "I prefer a host with more X than a host with less X" case | 14:19 |
| bauzas | nit, I tend to prefer "soft/hard constraints" and get rid of the notion of weighters/filters | 14:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: so they might be why we never remove weights, but I was hoping to add a threshold to turn that into a yes/no | 14:20 |
| edleafe | bauzas: 'contraints' has too many letters to type | 14:20 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: so does constraints. | 14:20 |
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| bauzas | I reviewed the spec in the early days so it probably diverged, but IIRC, it was about providing a consistent way to ponder our constraints | 14:21 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: :-P | 14:21 |
| bauzas | graaaah | 14:21 |
| bauzas | as a French guy, I'm used to be under constraints, like those days | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | requires vs. prefers... | 14:21 |
| bauzas | yup | 14:21 |
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| bauzas | and tbh, I'm very worried of any weigher inflation we could have | 14:22 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: I guess if we can't remove weights, I don't see significant gain in this approach | 14:22 |
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| bauzas | having some way to consider that filters and weighers are two sides of the coin | 14:22 |
| bauzas | is +1 to me | 14:22 |
| bauzas | edleafe: why ? | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, the soft/hard transition seems a useful thing | 14:23 |
| bauzas | edleafe: why a filter can't be giving more than just a boolean ? | 14:23 |
| edleafe | bauzas: because now we have *3* types of things | 14:23 |
| edleafe | filters, preferences, and weights | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I hope we could get rid of weighers by adding the threshold | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | I just haven't done enough of that to prove it will work nicely or not | 14:23 |
| bauzas | so, I need to look again at the spec before further commenting it | 14:23 |
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| Yingxin | edleafe: what's the difference between preferences and weights? | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | hard preference, soft preference, maybe then weighers | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | Yingxin: the preference is always a yes/no answer | 14:24 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: a preference says "I prefer that a host has X, but it's OK if it doesn't" | 14:24 |
| edleafe | a weight says "given two hosts, prefer the one that has more/less of X" | 14:25 |
| edleafe | qualitative and quantitative, as johnthetubaguy put it | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | Yingxin: your question on per request preferences seems orthogonal to this spec, I actually quite like the sharding approach for different settings, but I know jaypipes was coming up with some better ideas | 14:25 |
| Yingxin | johnthetubaguy: edleafe: boolean vs valued right? | 14:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so any valued one can be converted to boolean with a threshold | 14:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the bigger question, is does that actually prove practical or not | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | I haven't tried that enough | 14:26 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: the even bigger question is how to set that threshold | 14:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: so thats the problem today, with *ALL* preferences | 14:26 |
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| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: not for qualitative stuff | 14:26 |
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| edleafe | boolean works fine with those | 14:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | booealn works, we just don't support that | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | in a soft way | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | so you have to convert the boolean to a number | 14:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | and add it with other numbers, and its very, very messy | 14:27 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: which is why I'm not seeing the advantage of this approach | 14:28 |
| edleafe | it's much cleaner in some cases | 14:28 |
| edleafe | but it makes the others messier | 14:28 |
| bauzas | but Python accepts True = 1.0 so we're good :p | 14:28 |
| * bauzas jk | 14:28 | |
| edleafe | bauzas: not in Python 3 | 14:28 |
| edleafe | :) | 14:28 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: shhhhhht | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | so today, soft->hard means writing code, which sucks | 14:29 |
| edleafe | OK, let's continue discussion on the spec itself | 14:29 |
| bauzas | ++ | 14:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its also worth noting, you don't have to use the new soft requirements, if you don't need them | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | right now I can't work out how to configure the scheduler | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | if people know how, then thats cool, but we need to somehow share that | 14:30 |
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| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: you mean writing a "how-to" guide? | 14:31 |
| edleafe | with different use cases? | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep, that would help folks | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | I can't get the weighers to stop miss-behaving in strange ways | 14:31 |
| edleafe | hmmm... maybe we could recruit operators of openstack clouds to find out what they do | 14:31 |
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| edleafe | and compile them | 14:32 |
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| Yingxin | johnthetubaguy: I had some comments in your spec, about how people want the "preference": they may want to specify them in the flavor. | 14:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | just to be clear, I have my operator hat on here | 14:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Yingxin: I like the feature, it just seems orthogonal (and I cover it in the sharding spec, slightly) | 14:33 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: which is why it's hard for us non-ops to understand all the use cases | 14:33 |
| Yingxin | johnthetubaguy: ok | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | I tried to give examples in the spec of it working and not | 14:33 |
| Yingxin | I'll read that | 14:33 |
| edleafe | Moving on... | 14:33 |
| edleafe | Pass Qualitative Requirements separately in a Request - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313784/ (Ed) | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 14:34 |
| edleafe | Only a few comments so far | 14:34 |
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| edleafe | I didn't get much response on the ML post | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we have another spec (previously) for over-riding image properties | 14:34 |
| edleafe | So I have no idea what the impact would be on billing for moving from flavor-only | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | it seems like image properties, and whatever this API are, should have the same allowed things | 14:35 |
| claudiub | question: are the specs for qualitative requirements / host capabilities / enum capabilities bps going to be approved for N? | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah... | 14:35 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: not following what you mean | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | so a flavor has to allow this API | 14:35 |
| jaypipes | claudiub: good question :) | 14:35 |
| bauzas | edleafe: I thought https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313784/ was dependent on another jaypipes's spec about enumerating capabilities ? | 14:35 |
| edleafe | Enums are a non-starter for this | 14:36 |
| claudiub | ty, I want a good, positive answer for it. :) | 14:36 |
| jaypipes | claudiub: I need to review all of them this afternoon. I'm hoping edleafe can have a special session on the qualitative side of things. | 14:36 |
| edleafe | We could have *some* common ones pre-defined | 14:36 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: yeah, but edleafe hates my ideas :) | 14:36 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: which leaves me as a sad panda then :) | 14:36 |
| jaypipes | heh | 14:36 |
| jaypipes | it's ok... | 14:36 |
| jaypipes | I'll comment back on the standardize-capabilities one, edleafe. | 14:37 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: because I was liking your idea that you exposed in the design session | 14:37 |
| edleafe | The need for dynamic resources proves my argument :) | 14:37 |
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| edleafe | Things will always be changing, and new stuff being added | 14:37 |
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| edleafe | Having to support those in a code release doesn't cut it | 14:37 |
| panda | ... | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I thought we said dynamic flavors would be opt in, i.e. a flavors by default don't allow them? | 14:37 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: dynamic resource *classes*, not qualitative capabilities. | 14:38 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: but in any case, I will respond on the spec. | 14:38 |
| bauzas | okay, so I should review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313784/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309762/ concurrently then | 14:38 |
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| edleafe | jaypipes: it's the pattern: spell out all the classes as an enum | 14:39 |
| edleafe | oops! we need more | 14:39 |
| edleafe | implement a work-around | 14:39 |
| edleafe | It's better to design for flexibility from the start | 14:39 |
| edleafe | Sure, there will be some common classes/capabilities across all clouds | 14:39 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: I'm fine with that, but how would you standardize capability strings without either constants or enums or something? | 14:40 |
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| bauzas | that's my point | 14:40 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: you standardize the common ones | 14:40 |
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| bauzas | before providing a nicer API, we should discuss on the semantics on that API | 14:40 |
| edleafe | any deployment-specific capabilities are added by the operator | 14:40 |
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| bauzas | of* that API | 14:41 |
| edleafe | We can have a local way of doing that, but not an openstack-wide code change | 14:41 |
| Yingxin | such as dynamic capabilities added into api database? | 14:41 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: right, totes agreed. | 14:42 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: that's one possibility, yes | 14:42 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: but what is your proposed implementation of the "standardization of the common ones"? | 14:42 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: I think the way you moved the "standard" classes from enum is a good example | 14:43 |
| edleafe | IOW, define the common ones in code, but allow for dynamic ones later | 14:43 |
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| edleafe | Only the common ones would be guaranteed to be cross-cloud available | 14:44 |
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| edleafe | Anyway, time is ticking... continue arguments on the spec | 14:44 |
| cdent | how do you inspect for "common" | 14:44 |
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| edleafe | Next: Report host memory bandwidth as a metric in Nova - (sudipto) | 14:44 |
| edleafe | sudipto: around? | 14:44 |
| sudipto | edleafe, yeah... | 14:45 |
| edleafe | oops - lost the URL | 14:45 |
| sudipto | https://review.openstack.org/319960 - here's the review. Basically this was approved in the last 2 cycles...and finally I have the pcp code merged - hence wanted to get a re-approval on the same. | 14:45 |
| sudipto | I have answered the queries you had edleafe | 14:45 |
| edleafe | OK, I'll re-review | 14:46 |
| sudipto | johnthetubaguy, wanted to know if the scheduler team thinks there's any impact of this being in the monitor code from the scheduler team per say. | 14:46 |
| sudipto | hence i updated the agenda with it. | 14:46 |
| edleafe | It would be great to get more eyes on this | 14:46 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: got it. makes sense. | 14:46 |
| edleafe | Any other specs to discuss? | 14:47 |
| mlavalle | how about the routed networks spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263898/ | 14:47 |
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| edleafe | ah yes | 14:47 |
| mlavalle | we got a +1 from jaypipes thanks | 14:47 |
| edleafe | thanks mlavalle | 14:47 |
| edleafe | oh, then I'm opposed :) | 14:47 |
| mlavalle | can we get more people reviewing it? | 14:47 |
| mlavalle | lol | 14:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I need to get jump on that one again soon | 14:48 |
| edleafe | me too | 14:48 |
| mlavalle | johnthetubaguy, edleafe: thanks! | 14:48 |
| edleafe | got it in my unending list of open tabs | 14:48 |
| edleafe | #topic Code Reviews | 14:48 |
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| edleafe | I had two listed on the agenda | 14:49 |
| bauzas | mlavalle: in my pipe too | 14:49 |
| edleafe | cdent and claudiub: want to discuss them? | 14:49 |
| * mlavalle thanks bauzas | 14:49 | |
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| bauzas | 10 mins before calling it a meeting | 14:49 |
| cdent | edleafe: which ones? | 14:50 |
| cdent | the g-r-p related stuff is now in need of a major rebase to deal with the change of table location, which is my project for the next few hours | 14:50 |
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| edleafe | ugh - network dropped | 14:51 |
| edleafe | sorry | 14:51 |
| edleafe | Add Allocation and AllocationList objects - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282442 (cdent) | 14:51 |
| edleafe | Adds HostCapabilities object model - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285856 (Claudiu) | 14:51 |
| bauzas | cdent: we first need to merge dansmith's series, amirite ? | 14:52 |
| cdent | bauzas: the part that matters, the db change, is merged | 14:52 |
| bauzas | cdent: not talking about the API DB migration which merged | 14:52 |
| cdent | and I can slot my stuff in under the object change | 14:52 |
| cdent | it's all already several patches high, one more won't hurt | 14:52 |
| bauzas | cdent: okay, just needed to make sure you don't need the object interface change | 14:52 |
| * edleafe thinks juggling mutiple DBs is so much fun! | 14:53 | |
| claudiub | yeah, looking for some feedback on the host capabilities thingy | 14:53 |
| bauzas | given non-prio spec freeze is one week away, I'll be honest and claim that my top reviews will be for specs those days | 14:53 |
| claudiub | I've introduced dependencies between capabilities: e.g. os_shielded_vms cannot be requested without also requesting os_secure_boot. | 14:53 |
| edleafe | bauzas: +1 | 14:53 |
| Yingxin | Scheduler claim implementation: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262938/ | 14:54 |
| Yingxin | it's from last release | 14:54 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: added to my list | 14:55 |
| edleafe | 5 minutes to go | 14:55 |
| Yingxin | edleafe: thanks | 14:55 |
| edleafe | #topic Opens | 14:55 |
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| edleafe | Question: should we meet next week? | 14:55 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: I thought we agreed to not duplicate the Claim model ? | 14:56 |
| edleafe | It's a US holiday and the start of PyCon | 14:56 |
| * cdent has no preference | 14:56 | |
| * bauzas shrugs | 14:56 | |
| claudiub | it could be on a different day? | 14:56 |
| * edleafe hopes everyone is going to PyCon, too | 14:56 | |
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| bauzas | I pass :) | 14:56 |
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| edleafe | claudiub: I'll be out most of the week | 14:56 |
| claudiub | ok | 14:57 |
| Yingxin | np | 14:57 |
| edleafe | We can have the meeting, but we'll need someone to run it | 14:57 |
| bauzas | FWIW, I'm totally okay to *not* run that meeting :) | 14:57 |
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| edleafe | *cough* cdent *cough* | 14:57 |
| cdent | oh, I'll run it if people want to have it, no problem | 14:57 |
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| cdent | but I'm also happy to skip it if people will be away | 14:58 |
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| edleafe | who want to have a meeting next week? | 14:58 |
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| cdent | -1 | 14:58 |
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| edleafe | Unless there's a decent number, let's just skip it | 14:59 |
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| edleafe | Time running out | 14:59 |
| edleafe | The crickets have it - no meeting next week! | 15:00 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 23 15:00:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-05-23-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-05-23-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-05-23-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 23 15:01:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | hello all | 15:01 |
| korzen | hi | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s feels sick today, she won't join us | 15:02 |
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| ihrachys | we don't have any action items from the last meeting. | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | I am not aware of any progress made on that one, except the fact that we got rolling upgrades tag merged | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286817/ | 15:03 |
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| sayalilunkad | hello | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | generally, the next steps are documented in: | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-multinode-jobs-newton | 15:04 |
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| korzen | hmm I was thinking that rolling upgrades requires no downtime acenario | 15:04 |
| korzen | scenario* | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | korzen: no, it requires 'some form' of per-component upgrades | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | since we can upgrade agents independently of neutron-servers, it's enough | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | we just needed to prove that with gate jobs. | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | I believe if we need a tag for no-downtime, we would need to come up with a new one | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | that would require rolling-upgrades one but would add more requirements. | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | sc68cal: any progress around multinode grenade that I am not aware the last week? | 15:07 |
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| korzen | ihrachys, have someone tried to introduce any breaking changes and run the grenade to see if it catch the bug? | 15:07 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: nope. do I hear a suggestion to add an action item to your plate? ;) | 15:07 |
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| korzen | ihrachys, I would be my pleasure | 15:08 |
| korzen | :) | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | #action korzen to send a breaking patch to validate multinode grenade job catches rolling breakages | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | thanks korzen! :) | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:09 |
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| ihrachys | ok, on objects front, we are near merging allowed address pairs patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287756/ | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | we also merged subnet object: | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264273/ | 15:09 |
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| ihrachys | we need to proceed with its adoption in the db code. | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | korzen: will you have time for that latter part? | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | obviously, I don't expect it to work on the first iteration due to missing sorting/pagination support in base object class | 15:10 |
| korzen | ihrachys, I'm already have some code | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | but it would be great to start digging to see what we miss | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | korzen: great! | 15:10 |
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| korzen | I should have something to discuss bu the next meeting | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | for sorting/pagination support, we need: | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | 1. expanded api test coverage for those features. first bit: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306272/ | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | 2. support for that in get_objects: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300055/13 | 15:11 |
| * ihrachys notes that the former has +2 but failed in gate, will investigate right after the meeting. | 15:12 | |
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| ihrachys | also, for all who help with the effort, pretty please, we need volunteers to cover more resources with sorting/pagination api tests | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | there is not much reason to spin on more new objects right now before we get this set in place | 15:13 |
| korzen | what should be the resources? | 15:13 |
| korzen | like subnet and port? | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | korzen: subnet, subnetpool, for one thing. | 15:13 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: yes. any 1st class resource that can currently recieve sorting/pagination criteria | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | which is anything that is not a resource extension (like address pairs that are embedded into ports and hence are not fetched on their own) | 15:14 |
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| ihrachys | (that's why we can move forward with address pairs but not e.g. subnets or subnetpools) | 15:14 |
| korzen | It seems like we are the only ones in the meeting right now ;) | 15:14 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: that's what we have, sadly. | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | so I will just run it thru really quick. | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | ok, that was it for objects and generally on how to contribute to the effort in a more effective way. | 15:15 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:15 |
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| ihrachys | now it's time to raise patches/concerns. | 15:15 |
| korzen | I had some question but forgot what it was, nothing important I guesss | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | before someone asks to review a new object, please make sure you read above and understand it may not be the current burning thing and hence reviews can be delayed. | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | ok, I guess nothing burning apart from what was already covered. | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | we will shut it down shortly and give ourselves 40 mins to do some progress in code and reviews. | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | thanks korzen for joining | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:18 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 23 15:18:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-05-23-15.01.html | 15:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-05-23-15.01.txt | 15:18 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-05-23-15.01.log.html | 15:18 |
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| korzen | thanks, that was the short one ;) | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | indeed it was | 15:18 |
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| korzen | but we have support-rolling-upgrades tag approved, so maybe others went to celebration party... | 15:18 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 23 16:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims, dougwig | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for e0ne, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero, haypo, ihrachyshka, jd__ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, lxsli | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot, rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for zzzeek | 16:00 |
| rbradfor | o/ | 16:00 |
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| kgiusti | o/ | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | o/ | 16:00 |
| dims | o/ (partially here :) | 16:00 |
| bknudson | aloha | 16:00 |
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| sileht | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | hi theres | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool, guess we can get started | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:01 |
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| bknudson | none for keystone that I'm aware of. | 16:02 |
| johnsom | Nothing to report (I was traveling, so...) | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | nothing on neutron side. we had a patch for the way we spin up rpc workers using oslo.messaging merged and reverted due to a breakage, but I guess we are following up on that revert with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313277/ | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx johnsom bknudson | 16:02 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ihrachys, are those possibly the cause of http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/periodic-neutron-py27-with-oslo-master/49f6434/console.html ? | 16:02 |
| * harlowja_at_home was going to jump into neutron channel and see if anyone knows what these are about | 16:02 | |
| harlowja_at_home | http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/g/build_name/periodic-neutron-py27-with-oslo-master == sad | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | not sure. but if you get it with latest master, probably no since we reverted it | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | hmmm, ok | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | I will take a look right now on the failure logs. | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | sort of seems like its testing oslo.messaging, but i'm not quite sure | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | we have some code that messes with timeouts for clients | 16:04 |
| lxsli | o/ | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | doing back-off procedure for clients on timeouts for scaling reasons | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | merged in Newton | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | ihrachys, ya, i wonder if that might need tweaking due to newer oslo.messaging code | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | lxsli, hi there | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Releases for newton | 16:05 |
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| ihrachys | harlowja_at_home: I will definitely take a look | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | which segways into the releases i guess | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317111/ | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | i have that up, if people want newer versions of things to release let me know | 16:05 |
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| ihrachys | harlowja_at_home: I guess you will postpone oslo.messaging until we clear neutron thing | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | but ihrachys it'd be nice to have some look at the errors happening before that offically merges and releases happen (and then neutron will break?) | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | ihrachys, i can do that, unless u think its a non-issue | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | jungleboyj, how's cinder | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | harlowja_at_home: exactly, let's not break things. maybe split the releases patch into two | 16:06 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ihrachys, k, can do | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | thanks | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | harlowja_at_home: Fine as far as I know. :-) No flags to raise. | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | #action harlowja_at_home split https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317111/ into two (oslo.messaging and other) | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | jungleboyj, cool | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/g/build_name/periodic-cinder-py27-with-oslo-master?groupKey=build_name&resolutionKey=hour&end=2016-05-23T15:52:38.117Z looks good for cinder so i'm happy :-P | 16:07 |
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| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, i'd be nice to get a http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/g/build_name/periodic-octavia-py27-with-oslo-master?groupKey=build_name&resolutionKey=hour&end=2016-05-23T15:52:38.117Z i think to | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | let me try to do that | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | anyways, if people need me to adjust https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317111/ let me know (comment on the review is fine) | 16:08 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318604/ (pbr release) is also happening | 16:09 |
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| ihrachys | dougwig: can we have someone take a look at octavia test failure with oslo master? ^ | 16:09 |
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| harlowja_at_home | oh, is it octavia related | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | harlowja_at_home: wait, where is failure | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | or I miss context of the discussion :D | 16:10 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ihrachys, oh sorry, i was just saying that it'd be nice to have periodic jobs against oslo master for octavia :) | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | they don't exist yet ;) | 16:10 |
| johnsom | I can look at Octavia issues. is it the 318604? | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | harlowja_at_home: aha. ok, sorry. false alarm. | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | np :) | 16:10 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I didn't think we had them yet | 16:10 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #action harlowja_at_home setup octavia + oslo master jobs (or try to) | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | let's see if we can get them :-P | 16:11 |
| johnsom | harlowja_at_home You know how to find me if there is something I can help with | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'll come get u if needed :-P | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | where u live again | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:11 |
| johnsom | Oregon, it's a short drive.... grin | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | :-p | 16:12 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Newton specs | 16:12 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo-specs,n,z | 16:12 |
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| harlowja_at_home | it would be super to have folks that are interested review more of those (myself included, ha) | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | harlowja_at_home: Oh sweet, who set up the periodic job for Cinder? | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | i think that would be dims | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'll setup an octavia one and then i'll know how to do it :-P (i don't think its hard) | 16:13 |
| dims | y should be easy hopefully | 16:14 |
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| harlowja_at_home | jd__, u around | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | i guess http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/g/build_name/periodic-ceilometer-py27-with-oslo-master might be something also | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | although i think that's the keystonemiddleware issue | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | anyways | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Stuck reviews | 16:15 |
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| harlowja_at_home | any stuck reviews that we can raise so folks can try to unstick them? | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | don't all speak up at once now, lol | 16:16 |
| bknudson | I asked / was asked some questions on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304923/ | 16:16 |
| rpodolyaka | bknudson: yeah, I'll respond to that one | 16:17 |
| lxsli | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293561/ needs reviews | 16:17 |
| bknudson | "Fix db_version checking for sqlalchemy-migrate " | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | sqlalchemy-migrate woah | 16:17 |
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| bknudson | keystone still uses sqlalchemy-migrate | 16:17 |
| bknudson | haven't figured out how to switch to alembic... and haven't had a great reason to either. | 16:17 |
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| harlowja_at_home | cool cool, good to know | 16:18 |
| rbradfor | if we are wanting to cleanup incubator code it may be good to get a +1 on reviews that are stuck in other projects. | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, where is the list of all those again | 16:19 |
| rpodolyaka | bknudson: in oslo.db we have some utils to support both at the same time, so that you can eventually migrate to alembic, but it's not pretty and I doubt anyone used it in the wild :( | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, i'll +1 some stuff (or maybe liasons here can help) | 16:19 |
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| bknudson | rpodolyaka: can you point me to some docs for the tools? | 16:19 |
| rpodolyaka | bknudson: IIRC, at some point zzzeek wanted to add support for sqlalchemy-migrate migrations to alembic | 16:19 |
| rbradfor | unfortunately they fall under several topics, so not so easy to point to | 16:19 |
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| bknudson | any docs for switching from s-m to alembic would be handy. | 16:20 |
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| rbradfor | This is the link to the etherpad with more overview of adoption https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-libraries-adoption. Reviews list per project may be dated, will look at it | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | also that reminded me https://github.com/openstack/oslo.tools is now up, so i think i can go through the final stages of moving oslo-incubator ---> openstack attic | 16:21 |
| rpodolyaka | bknudson: let me take a look, but I'm afraid we don't have much, except for the API reference... | 16:21 |
| bknudson | maybe just needs some kind of indicator that after this version, switch to alembic, which alembic would handle. | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | the tools repo there is just the tools from oslo-incubator | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | (the only part of the incubator that afaik was still used) | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, thx | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-libraries-adoption | 16:22 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, is there a fuel liason? | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, not that i am aware of | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, do u know anyone at mirantis that might be a candiate for that | 16:22 |
| * harlowja_at_home doesn't see fuel @ https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Oslo | 16:23 | |
| bknudson | oslo.tools doesn't show up in http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack/tree/ ... wonder why that is? | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, that's weird :-/ | 16:23 |
| bknudson | I'll ask on infra after the meeting. | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | kk | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | wonder how it can showup on github without being there, weird | 16:23 |
| bknudson | I have a new process for keeping a local copy of the repos using http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack/tree/ | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | i should do that to | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | track all the openstack :-P | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:25 |
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| bknudson | remember to add oslo.tools to your watched projects: https://review.openstack.org/#/settings/projects | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, thx | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | i gotta use that tree repo later (currently i just checkout repos individually) | 16:26 |
| bknudson | it's just git clone the openstack/openstack , git submodule init oslo.* | 16:26 |
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| bknudson | then when you git pull it updates the ones that have changed. | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | kgiusti, u are all set on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319452/ right? | 16:27 |
| rbradfor | bknudson, is this something new, or old and not clearly documented | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, also thx for the draft blog email, i'll check that out today (just wanted to let u know i got it) | 16:27 |
| bknudson | rbradfor: openstack/openstack has existed forever as far as I know | 16:27 |
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| bknudson | I just didn't know how to use submodules | 16:28 |
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| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, sure. generally one just blogs, but I'd like a second eye on it, as we could use it as a base point for talking about individual libraries | 16:28 |
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| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, cools | 16:28 |
| sileht | openstack/openstack is not really up2date | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | jroll, u are still thinking https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308398 might not be needed right? (if u are around) | 16:29 |
| jroll | harlowja_at_home: it isn't on my priority list at the moment | 16:29 |
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| harlowja_at_home | lxsli, ^ that might affect the parser stuffs there | 16:29 |
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| harlowja_at_home | jroll, thx, that's fine with me :) | 16:29 |
| jroll | np | 16:30 |
| * jroll wips for now | 16:30 | |
| harlowja_at_home | thx | 16:30 |
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| harlowja_at_home | alright anything else folks want to talk about, if not guess we can end early | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | i was thinking i'll send out a ML email to get https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Oslo updated | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, i'll poke about a fuel liason in that email as well | 16:31 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, thanks. There were issues with a failing bandit test being required (seems it's not now), so I'll start with a recheck | 16:32 |
| sileht | harlowja_at_home, why fuel liaison do they consume our libs ? | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | poke and/or mention | 16:32 |
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| harlowja_at_home | good question, and i shall investigate that before mentioning oslo liason in that email ;) | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | to many fueld repos, lol | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://github.com/openstack?page=1&query=fuel | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | page 1 of 5 :-/ | 16:34 |
| sileht | most of them are puppet stuff | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, lots of plugins | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | anyways, i'll see if fuel wants/needs a liason | 16:36 |
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| harlowja_at_home | okie dokie, anything else from folks? otherwise 20 minutes of your time back :-P | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | see ya'll on #openstack-oslo then :) | 16:37 |
| dougwig | ihrachys: aye, link? | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | dougwig: that was false alarm, sorry. | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | dougwig, false alarm afaik :) | 16:38 |
| dougwig | ihrachys: ok, no worries. :) | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 16:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 23 16:38:29 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-05-23-16.00.html | 16:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-05-23-16.00.txt | 16:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-05-23-16.00.log.html | 16:38 |
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| mfedosin | Courtesy meeting reminder ( #openstack-meeting-alt ): nikhil_k, ativelkov, mfedosin, docaedo, dshakhray, kfox111, kairat, nikhil, sudipto | 17:30 |
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| nikhil | O/ | 17:34 |
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| mfedosin | hey | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | #startmeeting glare | 17:35 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 23 17:35:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mfedosin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:35 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:35 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glare' | 17:35 |
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| mfedosin | #topic agenda | 17:35 |
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| mfedosin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-artifacts-sub-team-meeting-agenda | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-artifacts-sub-team-meeting-agenda | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | #topic Updates | 17:35 |
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| mfedosin | several decisions were made last week in Glare | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | first one, we decided to simplify our model and removed primitive type Text | 17:37 |
| mfedosin | before there was a differentiation between String (limited by 255 chars) and Text (unlimited) | 17:37 |
| mfedosin | but it contradicts with oslo.vo framework | 17:38 |
| mfedosin | so we had two options: implement our own types (String and Text) | 17:39 |
| mfedosin | or adapt our model to oslo.vo | 17:39 |
| mfedosin | we chose the second one | 17:39 |
| mfedosin | also 2 new property attributes were introduced | 17:39 |
| mfedosin | sortable - which indicates if it's possible to sort by this property | 17:40 |
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| mfedosin | and filter_ops | 17:40 |
| mfedosin | it's a list of available list operators | 17:40 |
| mfedosin | *filter operators | 17:41 |
| mfedosin | like 'eq', 'neq', 'lt' and so on | 17:41 |
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| mfedosin | also many bugs were fixed - thanks Darja and Kairat | 17:42 |
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| mfedosin | that's all updates at the moment | 17:42 |
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| mfedosin | #topic Spec is out, ready for review | 17:42 |
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| mfedosin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283136/ | 17:43 |
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| mfedosin | I added latest changes in our model there | 17:43 |
| mfedosin | and also there is an example of api requests | 17:44 |
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| mfedosin | nikhil: please review it when you have time | 17:44 |
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| nikhil | Sure | 17:45 |
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| mfedosin | also I wrote a message in ML | 17:45 |
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| mfedosin | Where am I interested in who will use the service | 17:46 |
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| mfedosin | nikhil: thanks :) | 17:46 |
| mfedosin | #topic 'copy-from' middleware | 17:47 |
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| mfedosin | there is an idea to implement 'copy-from' functionality in Glare like it was in glance v1 | 17:48 |
| mfedosin | but it won't be a part of our api | 17:48 |
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| nikhil | mfedosin: I don't like that we are discussing so many things | 17:49 |
| nikhil | We don't even have a implementation yet | 17:49 |
| mfedosin | it's just an idea | 17:49 |
| nikhil | Our entire focus needs to on MVP | 17:49 |
| mfedosin | to implement this as middleware | 17:49 |
| nikhil | And then we need to discuss everything upstream | 17:49 |
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| mfedosin | not so many people come here to discuss stuff :) | 17:50 |
| mfedosin | but yeah, you're right | 17:50 |
| nikhil | First there needs to be for people to use and play around | 17:50 |
| nikhil | Only then there will be interest | 17:51 |
| mfedosin | all core part is implemented and we're going to spend next 2 weeks in stabilizing the code and the project itself | 17:51 |
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| nikhil | mfedosin: please focus on making them reviewable | 17:51 |
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| mfedosin | it will be after 2 weeks | 17:51 |
| nikhil | The stabilizing should be done upstream when it had been merged | 17:52 |
| nikhil | Has | 17:52 |
| mfedosin | on 6th of June will start 'making them reviewable' :) | 17:52 |
| nikhil | Ok | 17:52 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: it's better to fix problems before merging, imho | 17:53 |
| mfedosin | instead of doing it when code in a repo | 17:53 |
| nikhil | We need to chat | 17:53 |
| nikhil | I don't quite like the strategy | 17:54 |
| mfedosin | what are we doing now? | 17:54 |
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| mfedosin | okay, I got you | 17:54 |
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| mfedosin | but anyway - good news is we have built a conception and ready to present it to big public | 17:54 |
| mfedosin | I think I have nothing to say here for today | 17:55 |
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| mfedosin | except "please review the spec" | 17:55 |
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| nikhil | :-) | 17:56 |
| mfedosin | thanks nikhil | 17:56 |
| mfedosin | #endmeeting | 17:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 23 17:56:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-05-23-17.35.html | 17:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-05-23-17.35.txt | 17:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-05-23-17.35.log.html | 17:56 |
| nikhil | More you review get reviews | 17:57 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: ^ | 17:57 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 23 20:01:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:01 | |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:01 |
| diazjf | o/ | 20:01 |
| jmckind_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | few barbicaneers here today... | 20:02 |
| redrobot | no matter, we'll still have an awesome time! :D | 20:02 |
| jmckind_ | for sure! | 20:03 |
| redrobot | as usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda | 20:03 |
| diazjf | The waters be clearrrr | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #topic Action Items from last meeting | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Items from last meeting (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:03 | |
| redrobot | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-05-16-20.00.html | 20:03 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:04 |
| redrobot | So I was going to look into the installation doc skeleton | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | turns out the doc team is in transition right now with regards to the installation documentation | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | next step is to go to the install doc meeting and ask for direction there | 20:05 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to join the next installation doc meeting | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | that's it for action item updates | 20:05 |
| redrobot | #topic Blueprint Reviews | 20:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprint Reviews (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:05 | |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286318/ | 20:06 |
| redrobot | ^^ I wrote up the changes to make generic containers mutable. It's what was agreed on during the summit | 20:06 |
| diazjf | redrobot, my IOU still stands. I should have some more time this week | 20:06 |
| redrobot | diazjf \o/ | 20:06 |
| redrobot | maybe woodster_ could sneak in a review? | 20:07 |
| redrobot | anyone one else have BPs that need reviewing? | 20:07 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/barbican-specs+status:open | 20:07 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: I'll try to get that in today | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | thanks woodster_ ! | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | #link PKCS#11 error handling | 20:10 |
| redrobot | derp | 20:10 |
| redrobot | #topic PKCS#11 error handling | 20:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PKCS#11 error handling (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:10 | |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319940/ | 20:10 |
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| redrobot | so jmckind_ has been working on fixing the issue where CKR_TOKEN_ERROR thrown by a PKCS#11 devices results in Barbican being stuck in an error state. | 20:11 |
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| redrobot | I think the CR is ready for reviews | 20:11 |
| jmckind_ | diazjf, I was looking at your comments and like your suggestions. I'll try to get those updated today/tomorrow. | 20:11 |
| diazjf | jmckind_ awesome, thanks for working on this! Really useful. | 20:12 |
| redrobot | #topic Open Discussion | 20:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:12 | |
| redrobot | Anything else that we should talk about? | 20:12 |
| diazjf | redrobot, midcycle? | 20:13 |
| redrobot | the wiki agenda was empty, and I ran out of things off the top of my head | 20:13 |
| redrobot | diazjf ah yeah, good topic | 20:13 |
| redrobot | diazjf got any updates for us? | 20:13 |
| diazjf | So the more and more people I talk to the less likely I think we'll be able to host the event here just because of our teams budget. I'll get back to you by next monday and I'll let you know if its possible. We may just have to do it at Starbucks lol | 20:14 |
| redrobot | lol | 20:14 |
| fredyx10 | hey I've been working in a cleanup process that run before the functional tests, it basically delete any secret and container for the tests users before the functionals run | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | fredyx10 awesome... do you have a CR yet? | 20:14 |
| fredyx10 | ooops I'll let diazjf finish his stuff first | 20:14 |
| fredyx10 | ohhh ok he's done | 20:15 |
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| diazjf | redrobot, I'll make sure to let the Security team know as well. fredyx10 no worries. | 20:15 |
| redrobot | diazjf I think we may be able to find space at one of the Rackspace offices SA/Austin if need be | 20:15 |
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| diazjf | redrobot, lets talk later in the week and see what we can do | 20:15 |
| fredyx10 | well hockeynut put a CR that was merged more than a month ago… so I started working with that, but the way that works, delete the resources before every test run… since we have a parallel execution in place some of the tests fail | 20:16 |
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| fredyx10 | so I'm trying to put the cleanup process together | 20:16 |
| fredyx10 | but not completely sure of where it should be located | 20:16 |
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| fredyx10 | if it should be in the test utilities | 20:17 |
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| fredyx10 | or if it should be an option in the CMD to clean resources for a given user | 20:17 |
| diazjf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319424/ | 20:18 |
| fredyx10 | right now and it's the way I submitted the CR is in the SetUp of the test_secrets and test_containers | 20:18 |
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| fredyx10 | thank you diazjf | 20:18 |
| fredyx10 | that's the one | 20:18 |
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| fredyx10 | so I tested it locally, everything passed since I dont have parallel execution locally | 20:18 |
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| fredyx10 | upstream we do have parallel execution so I guess the cleaning up before every test is raining the parade of some tests while they run | 20:19 |
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| fredyx10 | this clean should run only once | 20:19 |
| fredyx10 | before the entire functional suite | 20:20 |
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| fredyx10 | but I'm not completely sure of where to put it | 20:20 |
| * redrobot needs to brush up on functional tests | 20:20 | |
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| redrobot | I'm not really sure what the best thing would be? ... maybe add it to the gate itself? | 20:20 |
| fredyx10 | I could place is it in the functional test as an utility but also this could be reused by someone | 20:21 |
| diazjf | fredyx10, I'm thinking it should be in the test utilities. We don't want a manual command to do the cleanup. you can use a setUpClass to perform the function once per class | 20:21 |
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| fredyx10 | diazfj that still will be execute multiple times right? | 20:21 |
| jmckind_ | yeah, as long as there is no reason to leave the old data around for some reason. Since it's for the functional run, can't see why one would want that. | 20:21 |
| diazjf | fredyx10 should only be executed once per class unlike the regular setup | 20:22 |
| diazjf | ^ https://docs.python.org/2/library/unittest.html#setupclass-and-teardownclass | 20:22 |
| redrobot | so, I guess the gate has a brand new DB every time... and this is only an issue on DBs that must be reused across test runs | 20:22 |
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| redrobot | maybe we don't need to run it at the gate at all? | 20:24 |
| fredyx10 | ok thanks diazjf! | 20:25 |
| redrobot | diazjf that might work too | 20:25 |
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| fredyx10 | yeah that could also work | 20:25 |
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| redrobot | cool, well, it looks like you can keep making progress fredyx10 | 20:26 |
| hockeynut | fredyx10 tdink_afk and I spoke about this earlier today. Doesn't really apply to gate - its more for dev/test environments where folks may have used the functional test users for other things and could have leftover data | 20:26 |
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| fredyx10 | yes, thank you redrobot, diazjf | 20:28 |
| redrobot | any other topics before we call it a day? | 20:28 |
| fredyx10 | I'll gitve it another try with that approach and see | 20:28 |
| fredyx10 | gitve == give (my spanish brain fights my english hands) | 20:29 |
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| redrobot | alright, let's cal it a day. Thanks for coming everyone! | 20:30 |
| diazjf | thank everyone! | 20:30 |
| jmckind_ | thanks! | 20:30 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:30 |
| fredyx10 | thank you guys | 20:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 23 20:30:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-05-23-20.01.html | 20:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-05-23-20.01.txt | 20:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-05-23-20.01.log.html | 20:30 |
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| leong | the product wg meeting is on Voice call today | 21:05 |
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| leong | Etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_5_23_16 | 21:06 |
| leong | Dial in : +1(888) 875-9370, Bridge: 3; PC:7333828 | 21:06 |
| MarkBaker | leong, thanks - I'll grab [hone/headphones | 21:06 |
| MeganR | Leong: thank you for the reminder, I had forgotten. I am on a Webex for another meeting, and unfortunately won't be able to join. | 21:06 |
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| leong | that's why i'm here at irc :-) | 21:06 |
| MeganR | excellent thinking :) | 21:06 |
| ArunRajan | Thanks leong | 21:07 |
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| MarkBaker | leong, do you know if there is a UK dial in? | 21:08 |
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| leong | UK: +44 1793 402663 | 21:08 |
| MarkBaker | leong, thanks | 21:08 |
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| KrishR | is there a bridge? | 21:09 |
| leong | +1(888) 875-9370, Bridge: 3; PC:7333828 | 21:09 |
| ArunRajan | leong: I keep getting dropped off after I enter the passcode, wonder if anyone else is experiencing the same | 21:09 |
| leong | did you press the bridge # 3 | 21:09 |
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| ArunRajan | leong: oops, np. good catch, thx | 21:10 |
| leong | ArunRajan: or try +1 916 356 2663 | 21:10 |
| ArunRajan | leong: worked now, thx | 21:10 |
| leong | you need to press the Bridge # 3 first :-) | 21:10 |
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