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| toabctl | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 26 13:01:48 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is toabctl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:01 |
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| toabctl | not sure if there's anybody arround today but if so, please add your agenda points to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:02 |
| IgorYozhikov | o/ | 13:03 |
| toabctl | hey IgorYozhikov | 13:04 |
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| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, dirk is out today - do you have any points? | 13:05 |
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| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, we resolved issue with python-keystoneclient | 13:07 |
| IgorYozhikov | and now working on https://packaging-ci.fuel-infra.org/job/master-rpm-packaging-build/149/ | 13:07 |
| IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311285/ | 13:07 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, cool. then let's merge it! | 13:07 |
| toabctl | oh. it is already - even better :) | 13:08 |
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| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290472/ - merged | 13:08 |
| IgorYozhikov | :) | 13:08 |
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| toabctl | let's start | 13:08 |
| toabctl | #topic rpm-packaging-status | 13:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rpm-packaging-status (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:08 | |
| toabctl | I updated http://toabctl.de/openstack/rpm-packaging-status.html | 13:08 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, great - I saw | 13:08 |
| IgorYozhikov | and I want to figure out next steps | 13:09 |
| toabctl | it has now a newton link. the missing packages there don't have a release yet so you have to look at the mitaka page for that. | 13:09 |
| IgorYozhikov | 1st - resolve spec-cleaner issues from link i posted above | 13:09 |
| IgorYozhikov | 2nd - update oslo.* according to Newton | 13:09 |
| toabctl | #topic spec-cleaner issues | 13:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "spec-cleaner issues (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:10 | |
| * toabctl checks the link ... | 13:10 | |
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| toabctl | so for spec-cleaner there is another issue in the current released version | 13:10 |
| IgorYozhikov | I mean that we have some issues according to commit | 13:11 |
| toabctl | # link https://github.com/openSUSE/spec-cleaner/issues/137 | 13:11 |
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| IgorYozhikov | spec-cleaner install going fine | 13:11 |
| IgorYozhikov | yes | 13:11 |
| IgorYozhikov | but we've got unit tests problems - and working on them to make failed job green | 13:12 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, unittest problems? with spec-cleaner? | 13:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311285/ | 13:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | I am about this commit ^^^ | 13:14 |
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| toabctl | ah.ok. not sure how you test the commits but you need to rebuild all changed packages in the correct order. that's something the openbuildservice does automatically. | 13:15 |
| IgorYozhikov | I see now 16:40:22 DEBUG: File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/urllib3/packages/__init__.py", line 3, in <module> | 13:16 |
| IgorYozhikov | 16:40:22 DEBUG: from . import ssl_match_hostname | 13:16 |
| IgorYozhikov | 16:40:22 DEBUG: ImportError: cannot import name ssl_match_hostname | 13:16 |
| IgorYozhikov | urllib3 package was fixed today | 13:16 |
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| IgorYozhikov | so I just launched rebuild :) | 13:17 |
| IgorYozhikov | http://gate.fuel-infra.org/ | 13:17 |
| IgorYozhikov | anyway - we need to fix it on our side 1st | 13:18 |
| toabctl | ok. hopefully it passes now. but the lint job is still broken. I'm working on that but that's why it's currently WIP | 13:18 |
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| toabctl | anything else regarding spec-cleaner? | 13:18 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, no | 13:19 |
| toabctl | #topic oslo.* updates | 13:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo.* updates (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:19 | |
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| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, your turn | 13:19 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, I suggest to update all oslo* in one week | 13:20 |
| toabctl | that would be great! | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | using last released tarballs | 13:20 |
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| toabctl | yeah. I already did that for at least one package (which I need) but we are lacking reviews | 13:21 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, so are you planing to update the packages next week? | 13:21 |
| IgorYozhikov | So, add please AI on me to do that, I'll provide PR for that and hope that all will built more || less fine | 13:22 |
| IgorYozhikov | Just scary a little bit about dependencies | 13:22 |
| toabctl | #action IgorYozhikov updates the olso.* packages to latest released tarball | 13:22 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, you mean about needing to package more dependencies? | 13:23 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, yep | 13:23 |
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| IgorYozhikov | anyway - I'll try | 13:24 |
| toabctl | let's see. I can definitely help with updating the oslo.* packages | 13:24 |
| toabctl | great! | 13:24 |
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| toabctl | #topic reviews | 13:24 |
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| IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rpm-packaging+status:open | 13:24 |
| toabctl | I would like to merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316088/ | 13:24 |
| toabctl | can you review that, IgorYozhikov ? | 13:25 |
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| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, already saw it - look good | 13:25 |
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| IgorYozhikov | we have cherrypick | 13:26 |
| toabctl | ok. then I try to get spec-cleaner fixed but imo it takes already to much time so I suggest to continue to merge the clients, too | 13:26 |
| IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321526/1/openstack/python-keystoneclient/python-keystoneclient.spec.j2 | 13:26 |
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| toabctl | ah. right. | 13:27 |
| toabctl | form the SUSE side, we need to adapt out CI to test branches now correctly | 13:27 |
| toabctl | I think the tests are currently running always against the packages from master | 13:28 |
| toabctl | #action toabctl adapts SUSE CI to test branches correctly | 13:28 |
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| toabctl | #action toabctl review client changesets | 13:29 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, I think that we need to rebase all py*clients 1st | 13:29 |
| toabctl | ok | 13:29 |
| IgorYozhikov | just to actualize them | 13:29 |
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| toabctl | #topic open discussion | 13:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:31 | |
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| toabctl | anything else? | 13:31 |
| toabctl | in general we don't have enough core reviewers imo. | 13:31 |
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| IgorYozhikov | wow - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278397/4/openstack/python-ceilometerclient/python-ceilometerclient.spec.j2 | 13:31 |
| IgorYozhikov | I think that comments addressing required | 13:32 |
| toabctl | yes | 13:33 |
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| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, I can do review once a day, so if you can do the same - think that we could merge all hanged reviews more || less quick | 13:33 |
| MikhailIvanov | I think I should update my older reviews asap | 13:33 |
| toabctl | MikhailIvanov, great | 13:33 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, yes. I try to do it daily. | 13:33 |
| toabctl | ok. so any last topic? | 13:34 |
| IgorYozhikov | nope | 13:34 |
| toabctl | #endmeeting | 13:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 26 13:35:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-05-26-13.01.html | 13:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-05-26-13.01.txt | 13:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-05-26-13.01.log.html | 13:35 |
| toabctl | thanks everbody | 13:35 |
| IgorYozhikov | :) | 13:35 |
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| ddieterly | #startmeeting freezer | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 26 14:00:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ddieterly. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:00 |
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| ddieterly | agenda at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:00 |
| ddieterly | welcome ice cubes | 14:00 |
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| EinstCrazy | HELLO | 14:01 |
| ddieterly | attendance please | 14:01 |
| ddieterly | o/ | 14:01 |
| szaher | ddieterly: Hi | 14:01 |
| ddieterly | hello | 14:01 |
| thatsdone | o/ | 14:01 |
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| jonaspf | hi | 14:02 |
| yangyapeng | hi | 14:02 |
| ddieterly | is fresco back? | 14:02 |
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| jonaspf | yes but I think he is unavailable at the moment | 14:02 |
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| ddieterly | ok, let's get started | 14:04 |
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| ddieterly | #topic enforce content-type | 14:05 |
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| ddieterly | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/freezer/+spec/contenttype | 14:05 |
| yuval | Hi, Yuval from Smaug here | 14:06 |
| jonaspf | Ok, let me explain | 14:06 |
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| daemontool | o/ | 14:06 |
| jonaspf | A recent change broke the API by making content-type mandatory | 14:06 |
| jonaspf | the clients currently do not send the content-type | 14:06 |
| jonaspf | I reverted it back to the original state (i.e. content-type is not mandatory) | 14:07 |
| jonaspf | So it is working again but I do think enforcing content-type is the correct way | 14:07 |
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| ddieterly | can you implement it so that it is lenient and does not break backward compatiblilty | 14:07 |
| ddieterly | like warn and make deprecated | 14:08 |
| szaher | ddieterly: It should be mandatory by design | 14:08 |
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| ddieterly | how do we deal with backward compat? | 14:08 |
| szaher | Also starting from Netown backword compatibility will be broken | 14:08 |
| jonaspf | Yeah deprecating graciously sounds like a good idea | 14:09 |
| jonaspf | @szaher: Why? | 14:09 |
| szaher | The way we are storing backups will be changed | 14:09 |
| jonaspf | So will we change the API version? | 14:09 |
| szaher | take a look here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319182/ | 14:09 |
| ddieterly | so, if we upated freezer-scheduler at the same time that we update the freezer-api, then there should not be a problem, right? | 14:10 |
| szaher | and here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/freezer/+spec/freezer-metadata | 14:10 |
| szaher | We agreed on that in the mid-cycle meetup | 14:10 |
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| ddieterly | i'm not sure what that has to do with content-type | 14:11 |
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| szaher | ddieterly: We don't care about backward compatibility starting from this release | 14:12 |
| ddieterly | ok | 14:12 |
| ddieterly | got that | 14:12 |
| ddieterly | how are metadata linked to content-type, though? | 14:13 |
| daemontool | I think a new api version should be considered | 14:13 |
| szaher | so I would say if the clients are broken upstream we shouldn't care about it | 14:13 |
| jonaspf | metadata and content-type are both part of the api interface | 14:13 |
| jonaspf | so if we break one, we can just as well break the other | 14:14 |
| ddieterly | metadata is the payload, content-type describes the payload | 14:14 |
| daemontool | content type is an http header field, does it needs to be linked to the metadata? | 14:14 |
| daemontool | I don't think so | 14:14 |
| ddieterly | right | 14:15 |
| szaher | daemontool: No, The intersection point here is we don't care about backward compatibility anymore :) | 14:15 |
| ddieterly | seems like a trivial problem | 14:15 |
| ddieterly | oh, i see | 14:15 |
| daemontool | so | 14:16 |
| ddieterly | ...because metadata will break backward compat anyway... | 14:16 |
| daemontool | if the agent does not support content-type | 14:16 |
| daemontool | and for the api is mandatory | 14:16 |
| daemontool | do we care? | 14:16 |
| szaher | agent has nothing to do with the API | 14:16 |
| daemontool | sorry | 14:17 |
| daemontool | the scheduler | 14:17 |
| szaher | The scheduler is the one communicating with the API | 14:17 |
| daemontool | yes | 14:17 |
| szaher | daemontool: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/freezer/+spec/switch-to-python-freezer-client | 14:17 |
| daemontool | I understand that | 14:17 |
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| daemontool | but if the scheduler | 14:17 |
| daemontool | does not use content-type | 14:17 |
| szaher | We need to switch from using apiclient to python-freezerclient | 14:17 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:17 |
| szaher | daemontool: No the scheduler is not using content-type :) :d | 14:17 |
| daemontool | so the scheduler would use the python-freezerclient right? | 14:17 |
| szaher | daemontool: Yes, we should implement this in Newton | 14:18 |
| daemontool | my question is | 14:18 |
| daemontool | if the scheduler that is using the python-freezerclient does not support content-type | 14:18 |
| daemontool | and for the API is mandatory... | 14:19 |
| daemontool | do we care? | 14:19 |
| daemontool | or we don't | 14:19 |
| szaher | daemontool: we do care | 14:20 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:20 |
| m3m0 | should be enforce by the freezerclient | 14:20 |
| szaher | daemontool: but the problem here is not the API the problem is the client :) | 14:20 |
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| daemontool | ok | 14:20 |
| jonaspf | I guess the question is do we enforce the content-type? By this I mean do we send an error message if the content-type is not present? | 14:20 |
| jonaspf | At the moment we ignore it so it doesn't matter if the client sends a content-type or not. | 14:20 |
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| jonaspf | I checked other openstack projects and they all send an error back if there is no content-type | 14:21 |
| ddieterly | well, if we don't fix it, and the client sends the wrong content type, then there will be an error | 14:21 |
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| ddieterly | if we do fix it, and the client does send the right type, but for some reason has not been updated to send the header, then send an error | 14:22 |
| m3m0 | ok, so we add the header and should we backport this back to kilo? | 14:22 |
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| daemontool | m3m0, nope | 14:22 |
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| ddieterly | why backport? | 14:22 |
| m3m0 | just asking... | 14:22 |
| ddieterly | not sure that this is a big issue that needs immediate attention | 14:22 |
| daemontool | I think we have to place all these changes in API v2 and python-freezerclient >= this.version needs to be used with API v2 | 14:23 |
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| daemontool | and return error for http header without content-type field | 14:23 |
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| daemontool | or alternatively check how other projects are doing it | 14:23 |
| m3m0 | is it really necessary a version bump just for this? | 14:24 |
| jonaspf | it's not a huge issue as it is working at the moment. This is mostly about consistency with other apis and making it future proof (e.g. if we want to accept XML and JSON at some point in the future) | 14:24 |
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| jonaspf | I think we have multiple options: | 14:24 |
| jonaspf | 1. Change it in all clients (scheduler, client, ui) and in the api at the same time and hope nobody will notice (and everybody will update everything at the same time) | 14:24 |
| jonaspf | 2. We deprecate graciously (i.e. we send a warning if the client doesn't send a content type) | 14:24 |
| jonaspf | 3. We just keep it the way it is (ignore the content-type completely) | 14:24 |
| jonaspf | 4. We change it when we change the API in newton to V2 | 14:24 |
| daemontool | wthere is the metadata thing that would make the client and api backwards incompatible, so why not mark that with a new api version | 14:25 |
| daemontool | and place all the incompatible changes from there on | 14:25 |
| szaher | https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/barbican-specs/specs/juno/barbican-enforce-content-type.html | 14:25 |
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| * daemontool reading jonaspf options | 14:25 | |
| ddieterly | daemontool +1 | 14:25 |
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| daemontool | I think 4 | 14:26 |
| ddieterly | daemontool +1 | 14:27 |
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| daemontool | and 4 would implicitly include 1 | 14:27 |
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| daemontool | let'see also what slashme says | 14:27 |
| ddieterly | that sounds like a plan | 14:28 |
| daemontool | anyway with 4, the freezerclient would be backward compatible | 14:28 |
| daemontool | if content-type is sent now, there's any error_ | 14:28 |
| daemontool | ? | 14:28 |
| jonaspf | no | 14:28 |
| daemontool | then the new freezerclient would work in both cases | 14:29 |
| ddieterly | #agreed discuss enforce content type with slashme | 14:29 |
| daemontool | users in general always tend to use last versions of the os clients | 14:29 |
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| ddieterly | let's move on | 14:29 |
| jonaspf | ok | 14:29 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:29 |
| ddieterly | is fresco around? | 14:29 |
| daemontool | jonaspf, good conversation thought :) | 14:30 |
| ddieterly | +1 | 14:30 |
| daemontool | frescof__, ping | 14:30 |
| ddieterly | #topic python-freezerclient instead of apiclient | 14:30 |
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| ddieterly | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/freezer/+spec/switch-to-python-freezer-client | 14:30 |
| daemontool | that needs to be done in the scheduler ? | 14:30 |
| szaher | We need to remove apiclient from the scheduler | 14:31 |
| szaher | Yes | 14:31 |
| daemontool | m3m0, the web ui is already using the freezerclient ? | 14:31 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:31 |
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| ddieterly | this sounds reasonable to me | 14:32 |
| m3m0 | no, but is the plan for newton | 14:32 |
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| m3m0 | it works, but is not officially there, the same for the scheduler | 14:32 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:33 |
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| daemontool | so to achieve that what needs to be done? | 14:33 |
| m3m0 | as soon as I finish some internal tickets I will move with this | 14:33 |
| daemontool | change requirements.txt, test-requirements.txt, namespaces and imports within the modules | 14:33 |
| daemontool | ? | 14:33 |
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| m3m0 | yes, and testing for the scheduler and agent | 14:34 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:34 |
| m3m0 | documentation, which I'm doing right now | 14:34 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:34 |
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| daemontool | all in favor for this to happen in Newton? | 14:34 |
| m3m0 | aye | 14:34 |
| ddieterly | +1 | 14:34 |
| daemontool | yay :) | 14:34 |
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| m3m0 | so that will be done next week | 14:35 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:35 |
| ddieterly | #topic We need to close implemented blueprints/bugs in launchpad | 14:35 |
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| ddieterly | somebody keeps inserting agenda items at the front of the list | 14:35 |
| daemontool | ddieterly that's a good one | 14:35 |
| daemontool | lol | 14:35 |
| daemontool | not me | 14:35 |
| ddieterly | sneaky | 14:35 |
| szaher | ddieterly: it's me :) :D | 14:36 |
| ddieterly | clever | 14:36 |
| daemontool | someone new to the project could do that_ | 14:36 |
| daemontool | ? | 14:36 |
| ddieterly | ok, enough said about closing bp's? | 14:36 |
| ddieterly | #topic reviews | 14:37 |
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| ddieterly | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312430/ | 14:37 |
| yangyapeng | backup nova and restore, if multiple network , it is error, | 14:38 |
| yangyapeng | it is need to nodify the network id | 14:38 |
| daemontool | +2 ed | 14:38 |
| daemontool | yangyapeng, | 14:38 |
| yangyapeng | thanks | 14:38 |
| daemontool | if anyone has nothing against that | 14:38 |
| daemontool | please +A it | 14:38 |
| ddieterly | just like that? did you read the code? lol | 14:38 |
| daemontool | and move forward | 14:38 |
| daemontool | yes | 14:38 |
| daemontool | I did | 14:38 |
| ddieterly | ok | 14:39 |
| szaher | I've some comments | 14:39 |
| szaher | :) | 14:39 |
| ddieterly | did you download it and test it ;-) | 14:39 |
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| ddieterly | haha | 14:39 |
| daemontool | I've already +2ed that in th past | 14:39 |
| daemontool | ddieterly, no I didn't | 14:39 |
| ddieterly | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315939/ | 14:39 |
| szaher | it contains comments already | 14:40 |
| daemontool | szaher, then put -1 | 14:40 |
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| yangyapeng | str cmp int is error. restore cindernative-vol-id | 14:40 |
| ddieterly | is reldar here? | 14:40 |
| szaher | daemontool: OK | 14:41 |
| ddieterly | btw, where did eldar go? | 14:41 |
| szaher | Microsoft | 14:41 |
| szaher | Bing :) | 14:41 |
| ddieterly | ah | 14:41 |
| szaher | He is in Canada now and will move to US soon | 14:41 |
| ddieterly | probably not going to contrib much anymore to freezer, i quess | 14:41 |
| ddieterly | guess | 14:42 |
| szaher | I think so | 14:42 |
| ddieterly | i'll make sure border patrol does not let him in | 14:42 |
| ddieterly | lol | 14:42 |
| ddieterly | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318551/ | 14:42 |
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| m3m0 | hahahahaha | 14:43 |
| daemontool | haha | 14:43 |
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| yangyapeng | this patch increase th judment creage cinder-volume. | 14:43 |
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| ddieterly | yangyapeng you've been very busy | 14:43 |
| yangyapeng | if volume is creating, the image is deleted | 14:43 |
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| daemontool | yangyapeng, ok I need to review both of them, well done thought | 14:43 |
| daemontool | I'll try to do that today or tomorrow | 14:43 |
| ddieterly | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320964/ | 14:44 |
| ddieterly | szaher are you going to use RST or MD? | 14:44 |
| ddieterly | that's for the doc move | 14:44 |
| szaher | I think rst is the default format | 14:44 |
| szaher | manuals are using rst | 14:45 |
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| ddieterly | so, does the paste deploy work with wsgi? | 14:45 |
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| szaher | Yes | 14:45 |
| szaher | this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320964/ the devstack itself failed to be deployed :) | 14:46 |
| szaher | http://logs.openstack.org/64/320964/6/check/gate-freezer-api-devstack-dsvm/e75d8c7/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz | 14:46 |
| ddieterly | awesome | 14:46 |
| szaher | I submitted a recheck | 14:46 |
| yangyapeng | i have a recheck | 14:46 |
| ddieterly | szaher ok | 14:47 |
| ddieterly | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300080/ | 14:47 |
| szaher | this one has been there for sooo long ! | 14:47 |
| szaher | if this is Okay and tested let's merge it | 14:47 |
| daemontool | yes and it is good | 14:47 |
| ddieterly | is cynthia in the meeting? | 14:48 |
| szaher | so +2 +A plz | 14:48 |
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| clsacramento | Hi guys! Sorry, I was on another meeting... :) | 14:48 |
| daemontool | +2ed | 14:48 |
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| szaher | merged | 14:49 |
| szaher | :) Cool | 14:49 |
| ddieterly | #topic Newton plans | 14:49 |
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| daemontool | well done clsacramento | 14:49 |
| ddieterly | which bp's are going into newton? anyone have a list? | 14:49 |
| daemontool | I think we have a roadmpa | 14:50 |
| daemontool | map | 14:50 |
| ddieterly | i guess slashme is supposed to do that? | 14:50 |
| daemontool | not sure if there's a bp for each roadmap item | 14:50 |
| daemontool | and we have to place it in freezer-specs repo | 14:50 |
| daemontool | yes that should be slashme | 14:50 |
| clsacramento | thanks guys! | 14:50 |
| clsacramento | I am very happy that it finally merged | 14:51 |
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| clsacramento | szaher: special thanks to Saad :) | 14:51 |
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| szaher | clsacramento: It's my pleasure to help :) | 14:51 |
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| daemontool | ok | 14:51 |
| daemontool | ddieterly, I think we can move next | 14:52 |
| ddieterly | #topic mid-cycle meetup | 14:52 |
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| ddieterly | when, where? | 14:52 |
| daemontool | CAn we do this | 14:52 |
| ddieterly | we need to make plans now | 14:52 |
| daemontool | in september please? | 14:52 |
| ddieterly | is that canada, you mean? | 14:52 |
| daemontool | haha | 14:52 |
| daemontool | I'm OK for Galway anytime in September | 14:52 |
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| ddieterly | that's late isn't it? | 14:53 |
| ddieterly | last time we talked we were thinking june | 14:53 |
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| daemontool | June I can't :( | 14:53 |
| daemontool | july or september | 14:53 |
| ddieterly | july would be better than september | 14:53 |
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| ddieterly | early july | 14:54 |
| daemontool | ok for me July | 14:54 |
| ddieterly | anyone else have an opinion? | 14:54 |
| daemontool | any date | 14:54 |
| szaher | I will be in Egypt till 23 of July | 14:54 |
| szaher | You can go for it without me guys :) | 14:54 |
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| clsacramento | yes, september is too close to the next summit... | 14:54 |
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| daemontool | well Sumit is November | 14:54 |
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| daemontool | last week of July? | 14:55 |
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| szaher | I am Ok with that :) | 14:55 |
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| daemontool | vote? | 14:55 |
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| ddieterly | #vote | 14:55 |
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| ddieterly | #vote mid-cycle meeting in july? | 14:56 |
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| daemontool | #vote +1 | 14:56 |
| ddieterly | yes | 14:56 |
| szaher | #vote +1 | 14:56 |
| daemontool | last week of July | 14:56 |
| ddieterly | ok, let's discuss with slashme when he gets back | 14:57 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:57 |
| ddieterly | but it seems like last week in july looks good/tentative | 14:57 |
| ddieterly | july 25 | 14:57 |
| jonaspf | ah, I just found out I won't be here end of july | 14:57 |
| ddieterly | oh no! | 14:57 |
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| daemontool | ok let's thing about this | 14:58 |
| daemontool | is there any other topic? | 14:58 |
| daemontool | item? | 14:58 |
| ddieterly | ok, next week, fresco should run this meeting | 14:58 |
| daemontool | s/thing/think/ | 14:58 |
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| ddieterly | somebody in galway, light a fire under him, please | 14:58 |
| daemontool | haha | 14:58 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:58 |
| daemontool | so anyone wants to help me with rsync restore? | 14:58 |
| daemontool | I have a full week in June | 14:59 |
| daemontool | I can dedicate to freezer | 14:59 |
| daemontool | 100% of my time | 14:59 |
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| daemontool | so I'll do that | 14:59 |
| ddieterly | great | 14:59 |
| daemontool | but anyone? | 14:59 |
| daemontool | interested also? | 14:59 |
| ddieterly | ciao, everybody! | 14:59 |
| daemontool | please respect the queue! | 14:59 |
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| szaher | daemontool: Let | 14:59 |
| daemontool | :) | 14:59 |
| daemontool | ok | 15:00 |
| szaher | daemontool: Let's have a code feast after the midcycle meetup | 15:00 |
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| ddieterly | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 26 15:00:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-05-26-14.00.html | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-05-26-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-05-26-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 26 15:00:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:00 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| aovchinnikov | hi | 15:00 |
| ameade | hola | 15:00 |
| rraja | hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
| zhongjun_ | hello | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:00 |
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| markstur_ | hi | 15:01 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | looks like that gang's all here | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings#Next_meeting | 15:01 |
| dustins | \o | 15:01 |
| bswartz | nobody added any new topics other than the ones I had | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | which is good because my vacation starts this afternoon :-) | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #topic N-1 milestone | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | next week is the N-1 milestone, believe it or not | 15:03 |
| * bswartz finds link | 15:03 | |
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| bswartz | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 15:03 |
| bswartz | I know many of you have been working on specs and prototypes | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | we don't have a specific deadline for specs, but I think most would agree that specs should be wrapping up around now, and we should be aiming to merge them and get on with implementation | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | anyone have any questions or concerns about N-1 or specific specs or features? | 15:05 |
| cknight | bswartz: I did update the revert-to-snapshot spec. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315695/7 | 15:05 |
| cknight | bswartz: In keeping with last week's discussion. | 15:05 |
| ameade | bswartz: I'm not planning on doing a spec for user messages since it's a port of cinder | 15:05 |
| bswartz | ameade: that's fine | 15:05 |
| bswartz | for anyone reviewing the user messages code look at the cinder spec if you have questions I guess | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | Cinder's implementation is less than expected in Manila | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | at least in scope of API | 15:06 |
| bswartz | if we decided to intentionally diverge from the cinder design I suppose we might want a spec for that, but the whole point is not to diverge I think | 15:06 |
| dustins | So long as there's no real differences between the two implementations I'm fine with that | 15:06 |
| dustins | I don't like it, but it's fine :) | 15:06 |
| ameade | if we diverge there has to be good reason | 15:06 |
| dustins | bswartz: +1 | 15:06 |
| dustins | ameade: +1 | 15:07 |
| rraja | bswartz: is there going to be a spec for access-groups? the wiki in the related BP seems a bit overloaded. | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | ameade: addon of fitering to API is not enough? | 15:07 |
| gouthamr | rraja bswartz: alerted nidhi yesterday, she should be submitting a spec soon.. | 15:07 |
| ameade | vponomaryov: there is a patch that adds filtering in cinder, and then i was going to add that to manila | 15:07 |
| bswartz | rraja: I spoke with nidhi 2 weeks back and she did plan to convert the wiki to a proper spec | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | ameade: it worth spec | 15:07 |
| ameade | and pagination as well | 15:07 |
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| rraja | bswartz: gouthamr : cool! good to know. | 15:08 |
| zhongjun_ | bswartz: welcome to review this(snapshot instance) patch:https://review.openstack.org/234658 | 15:08 |
| ameade | anyone else think i need a spec for filtering and pagination? | 15:08 |
| gouthamr | ameade: seems like all our GET APIs should do filtering and pagination consistently.. so would you be doing anything drastically different? :) | 15:09 |
| bswartz | ameade: I think they should be in the cinder spec if you're adding them there | 15:09 |
| dustins | ameade: I wouldn't mind one, but if I'm the only one then feel free to ignore | 15:09 |
| bswartz | and yes I hope we don't diverge from other established patterns | 15:09 |
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| rraja | bswartz: and I think we need to keep track of changing back to per rule access status. BP or bug-fix? | 15:10 |
| bswartz | ameade: any reason it wasn't a CP spec to begin with? | 15:10 |
| bswartz | rraja: that's next topic | 15:10 |
| ameade | yeah the pattern is well defined and the devref will be updated, i thought specs we just for discussion | 15:10 |
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| ameade | bswartz: it kind of was at some point before specs but we switched to bottom up to actually get it done | 15:10 |
| bswartz | if it's not something new then I don't see the point | 15:11 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:11 |
| bswartz | btw this whole specs thing is an experiment in newton -- we're not requiring them and there's no deadlines | 15:11 |
| bswartz | we may learn that that was a bad idea and want to change the rules for ocata | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | but I'm glad to see that we're already getting a bunch of value out of having the specs repo | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | okay moving on | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | #topic update access | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | so there are a few things left to do with this feature | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | as rraja mentioned, I think that the DB schema change which moved the access rule status from per-rule to per-share was a mistake, and I think we should change it back in newton | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | also it's still possible for DB updates in those code paths to race against eachother, so we need to add locking based on tooz | 15:14 |
| bswartz | there's no volunteer for this work yet... | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | we don't need anyone to step up right now but I wanted to make it known that we need help here | 15:15 |
| bswartz | speaking of tooz, gouthamr: how is that going? | 15:15 |
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| * bswartz realizes gouthamr may have stepped away for daily standup meeting | 15:16 | |
| bswartz | we can come back to that | 15:16 |
| dustins | Just yell over the cube walls :) | 15:17 |
| bswartz | so we have 3 remaining bullets from the design summit | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | dustins: I'm at home -- getting ready for my vacation | 15:17 |
| bswartz | #topic Nova-network removal | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-manila-contributor-meetup | 15:17 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: did you suggest this topic? | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | yes | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | Manila has support of nova-networking in network-plugins, but nova-network has been deprecated for long time. | 15:18 |
| bswartz | actually I think they only *formally* deprecated it recently | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | therefore appears question, do we still need to support it? | 15:19 |
| bswartz | but yes everyone has known that it was going away for a long time | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: so, you know for sure, that it is widely used in deployments? | 15:19 |
| bswartz | I'm okay with dropping it in newton | 15:19 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: I hope not | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | I wonder what distros claim to support | 15:19 |
| bswartz | redhat/suse guys: do you support n-net still? | 15:19 |
| toabctl | for SUSE, no | 15:20 |
| toabctl | so dropping it is good! | 15:20 |
| bswartz | the policy from the TC has been very clear | 15:20 |
| bswartz | move to neutron or face obsolence | 15:20 |
| dustins | I may be mistaken, but I do believe all of our stuff revolves around Neutron, not Nova-Net | 15:20 |
| dustins | I'm about 99.99% sure | 15:20 |
| tbarron | six or seven nines | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | Personally I find neutron rather pleasant -- albeit complex | 15:21 |
| ganso | dustins: sounds sure enough | 15:21 |
| bswartz | 99.99997%? | 15:21 |
| dustins | bswartz: Give or take :D | 15:21 |
| tbarron | we have "support exceptions" but i dunno of any that would hit manila deployments | 15:21 |
| bswartz | right | 15:21 |
| bswartz | anyone opposed to dropping nova-net support? | 15:21 |
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| dustins | If someone can point me to a good book/article/scroll on Neutron, I'm down with that | 15:22 |
| bswartz | #agree remove nova-net asap | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | dustins: https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/doc/source/guides/neutron.rst | 15:23 |
| bswartz | the devstock doc does not suck | 15:23 |
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| dustins | Awesome, thanks, bswartz! | 15:23 |
| bswartz | also the openstack-manuals docs related to neutron are great resources -- the main problem with them are that there are too many | 15:23 |
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| dustins | Ahh, good ol' paralysis of choice, I'll have a look, thanks! | 15:24 |
| bswartz | #topic APIv1 removal | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | this is also vponomaryov I think | 15:25 |
| vponomaryov | yeah | 15:25 |
| vponomaryov | this one is simple too: do we have plan for its deprecation? | 15:25 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov is cleaning house | 15:25 |
| bswartz | this one is more difficult I think | 15:25 |
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| vponomaryov | what makes us to keep it around? | 15:25 |
| tbarron | +1 | 15:25 |
| tbarron | is there a customer base using it? | 15:26 |
| bswartz | if we follow the dominant philosophy that we can't break anything ever, then I would say no | 15:26 |
| tbarron | or is it just philosophical at this point? | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | we have precedent | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | Cinder dropped v1 | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | for its API | 15:26 |
| bswartz | let's look at this another way | 15:26 |
| bswartz | what is the benefit we gain from dropping it | 15:26 |
| bswartz | ? | 15:26 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: I believe Cinder's v2 has been around longer than our v2 | 15:27 |
| dustins | I can't think of anything that's using the v1 API for Manila, there's a lot more value in v2's APIs | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | reduced amount of supported stuff | 15:27 |
| cknight | bswartz: code can be simplified if we drop v1 | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | dustins: I am aware about such one - OpenStack rally | 15:27 |
| dustins | And we don't have to keep making sure that the old v1 APIs work as we add new features | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | how much ongoing work do we save really though? | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | dustins: but it is only for testing | 15:27 |
| bswartz | is this like a few days of someone's time per release? | 15:27 |
| dustins | vponomaryov: and I imagine it'd be pretty easy to update to v2, yeah? | 15:28 |
| tbarron | when was maniila v2 introduced? | 15:28 |
| vponomaryov | dustins: yes | 15:28 |
| bswartz | tbarron: liberty | 15:28 |
| bswartz | we introduced it w/ microversions | 15:28 |
| tbarron | bswartz: ty | 15:28 |
| bswartz | if we drop v1, then kilo-era clients will completely fail to talk to newton servers | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | it's safe to say there aren't many of those | 15:29 |
| ganso | liberty has just been released by distros | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: why server should support old clients? Clients should support old servers | 15:29 |
| bswartz | however if there is just 1, are we okay forcing that guy to upgrade? | 15:29 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: both are needed | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: is there a value for that guy to keep using old stuff? | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | you can only get wide compatibility when both sides can negotiate down | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | I'm not opposed to dropping v1 eventually | 15:31 |
| bswartz | I think it's proper to question whether now is the right time, and why | 15:31 |
| bswartz | there is some cost to keeping it around, I accept that, but can we quantify that? | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: at least, we can annonce its deprecation | 15:31 |
| bswartz | we already announced its deprecation in liberty | 15:31 |
| markstur_ | +1 at least | 15:31 |
| tbarron | i think manila may have some leeway here since it was only in liberty that it was declared ready for production upstream | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | or maybe it was early in mitaka | 15:32 |
| bswartz | in any case, v1 is clearly deprecated | 15:32 |
| bswartz | will we save much by taking it out? just writing the patches to take it out might be more expensive than the work to leave it in one more release | 15:33 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: simpler code is always better | 15:33 |
| * bswartz thinks he might be the only one against this idea... | 15:33 | |
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| markstur_ | if it was clearly deprecated, then I think it is time to remove it | 15:34 |
| ganso | I personally have not seen we stumble across the need of keeping v1 backwards compatibility that often with new features. THe only one was update_access and we are bringing the state field back... | 15:34 |
| dustins | markstur_: +1 | 15:34 |
| bswartz | ganso: you pointed out that some distros are just now releasing liberty | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | ganso: are you suggesting we remove it in newton or keep v1? | 15:34 |
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| ganso | bswartz: I am suggesting keep v1 | 15:35 |
| ganso | bswartz: in newton at least | 15:35 |
| bswartz | okay so that's 2 for keeping it, but probably everyone else for removal | 15:35 |
| vponomaryov | and we have a winner for lottery where we find volunteer for maintaining v1 API! | 15:35 |
| bswartz | lol | 15:35 |
| dustins | hahaha | 15:35 |
| toabctl | heh | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | well I don't feel strongly | 15:36 |
| toabctl | vponomaryov, nice trick! :-) | 15:36 |
| ganso | may I take back what I just said? | 15:36 |
| tbarron | :) | 15:36 |
| bswartz | if we put this to a vote I think we would decide to remove it | 15:36 |
| bswartz | ganso: do you feel strongly or just your opinoin? | 15:36 |
| ganso | lol | 15:36 |
| tbarron | maybe give it a week before deciding | 15:36 |
| dustins | tbarron: Indeed, let everyone mull it over for a bit | 15:37 |
| markstur_ | procrastination | 15:37 |
| dustins | markstur_: Or that | 15:37 |
| dustins | :P | 15:37 |
| toabctl | ganso, about the distro thing - suse is not providing a v1 endoint for the liberty based release. so we are not using/supporting it | 15:37 |
| ganso | bswartz: it is my opinion, but I also have a customer running Manila Kilo, I am not sure how he is going to handle the transition or when he plans to upgrade | 15:37 |
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| tbarron | ganso: yeah, if there are customers using it, then that counts | 15:37 |
| cknight | bswartz: a compromise is deprecate in Liberty, announce in Newton that it *will* be removed in Ocata. That way we're committed. | 15:38 |
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| vponomaryov | ganso: upgrade one-by-one release should be ok | 15:38 |
| tbarron | it's not just a matter of what makes devs lives easier | 15:38 |
| bswartz | well it only counts if he's using the client, and he expect the client to work against both kilo and newton at the same time | 15:38 |
| bswartz | even then, he could pick any client released after liberty and that would be comptible with kilo servers and newton servers | 15:38 |
| tbarron | bswartz: agree, but that could be checked in a week | 15:38 |
| tbarron | to be clear, i'd like to get rid of it | 15:39 |
| bswartz | I'm not a fan of kicking the can | 15:39 |
| bswartz | if we decide to keep it, then we should have a reason | 15:39 |
| tbarron | but i don't like impromptu decisions on big issues | 15:39 |
| bswartz | my main motivation for keeping it is my suspicion that keeping it might actually be less work than removing it | 15:40 |
| bswartz | but if others disagree then I say we remove it the sooner the better | 15:40 |
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| ganso | again, I would like to ask: have we really stumbled across the NEED to remove it? | 15:41 |
| markstur_ | I'd rather not set precedent for keeping everything forever. But that doesn't really settle the decision. | 15:41 |
| ganso | like, I am implementing a new feature, and my feature needs a workaround because we need to be v1 compatible, or something like this | 15:41 |
| bswartz | markstur_ there are those in the community who do want to set that precedent | 15:41 |
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| gouthamr | ganso: you should not be adding any more changes to v1 after microversions.. | 15:41 |
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| ganso | also, we don't have a v1 CI or something like this, how do we know it is not broken already? | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | ganso: atleast that's what i thought.. (was going to be my question on your migration spec :) ) | 15:42 |
| dustins | ganso: Good point | 15:42 |
| bswartz | okay in the interest of moving on, let's table this for 1 week | 15:42 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: actually, now we have mix of API testing in CI | 15:42 |
| ganso | gouthamr: migration is v2, and it is not changing anything v1 specific | 15:42 |
| bswartz | next week I expect we will make a decision to remove it, unless someone comes up with a good reason not to | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | ganso: you have a v1 API in deprecation, no? | 15:42 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: old code uses v1, new v2 | 15:42 |
| markstur_ | having new clients work with old releases (forever) is the more important one. Client upgrade w/o breaking compatability | 15:43 |
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| ganso | vponomaryov: but that is just API, undearneath it is all v2 | 15:43 |
| ganso | gouthamr: I do? o_O | 15:43 |
| bswartz | #action bswartz add this item to the agenda and make decision next week | 15:43 |
| markstur_ | bswartz, +1 next week decision | 15:43 |
| bswartz | #topic Model updates from the driver | 15:44 |
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| markstur_ | Is bswartz on vacation next week? | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | ganso: lemme double check.. when i was documenting migration, i was confused about that.. | 15:44 |
| ganso | markstur_: good point | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | no I'm back tuesday | 15:44 |
| bswartz | just a 5 day weekend for me | 15:44 |
| bswartz | okay this is actually a large topic so let me get started | 15:44 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: are you not doing a cut for n1? | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | xyang1: we'll do N-1 next week | 15:45 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: ok | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | so the design pattern we inherited from nova/cinder is that drivers don't interact with the database directly -- they receive input from the driver method args, and they make changes by returning "model update" dicts | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | this is a good design because it limits access to the DB schema by drivers and prevents evil things from happening too easily | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: and over time, we've been conservative about that too, not accepting entire model updates, and limiting them to certain fields. | 15:46 |
| bswartz | there are a few downsides to this approach however | 15:47 |
| bswartz | in some cases, a driver method does more than 1 thing, and when it completes half of its work, then fails on the second half you have a problem, because you want to both update the database and throw and exception | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | an* exception | 15:47 |
| bswartz | we have dealt with that case by.... | 15:48 |
| * bswartz cringes | 15:48 | |
| bswartz | ...attaching a model update to the exception we throw | 15:48 |
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| ganso | bswartz: :O | 15:48 |
| ganso | bswartz: do you have an example of such operation that does that? | 15:48 |
| * dustins barfs | 15:48 | |
| gouthamr | ganso: create_share | 15:49 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: create share and share server | 15:49 |
| bswartz | so I think we all agree that's not a good architecture | 15:49 |
| bswartz | but it solved that specific problem | 15:49 |
| bswartz | however there are deeper issues | 15:49 |
| bswartz | what if the driver does half its work and then rather than failing and throwing an exception, the process simply dies? (think kill -9) | 15:50 |
| bswartz | in that case the model update just never happens, and we leave garbage behind | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | now one way to solve this problem is to break down driver methods into smaller pieces -- but you'll never get an interface that works for every single backend implementation | 15:51 |
| bswartz | in fact we explicitly acknowledged this in the share replication design and made an interface that was fairly generic | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | this resulted in drivers that do replication doing lots of things in those methods, and there is a significant potential for failures in those methods or processes dying, to have done lots of work that's not recorded in the database | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | now one way to address this problem would be to allow drivers to access the DB directly in special cases | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | I think that leads us down a slippery slope and is a bad idea | 15:53 |
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| ganso | bswartz: we have discussed a driver_db_helper in the past | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | we could also turn some methods into generators that yield multiple model updates | 15:54 |
| bswartz | that might be pythonic but I find it to be complex and hard to understand | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | ganso: yes what my proposal is is to add a db helper object of some kind | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | if the manager creates and object that wraps the DB handle and passes that object into the driver methods, then drivers could make multiple updates in a single method, but we could control what the driver had access to by the design of that object | 15:55 |
| ameade | you gonna make a spec? | 15:55 |
| bswartz | an* object | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | ameade: I wanted to throw the idea out there and see if people thought it was terrible or good first | 15:56 |
| bswartz | ideally we would have covered this in austin but we're a busy team | 15:56 |
| ganso | bswartz: we can prevent the evil stuff in the helper itself | 15:56 |
| bswartz | ganso: that's the theory | 15:57 |
| markstur_ | fencing in the db shenanigans at least helps us spot it, limit it, and prevent direct access when it would otherwise be necessary | 15:57 |
| bswartz | we could even tailor special helper objects for each method so that each method only had access to updates fields that it should update | 15:57 |
| ameade | do we need to be that specific? | 15:57 |
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| ameade | maybe just a driver db module | 15:58 |
| bswartz | ameade: possibly not | 15:58 |
| bswartz | we also don't want to create confusion for new driver authors though | 15:58 |
| * tbarron is thinking we'd need to version it/them | 15:58 | |
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| bswartz | whenever we're not explicit -- driver authors tend to get confused and do weird things | 15:58 |
| markstur_ | Maybe not specific for reads, but more specific for things that we cringe at | 15:58 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: i would really like to see/work on the change in representation of these resources first... oslo versioned objects to begin with? | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | actually reads are more important to prevent than modifications | 15:59 |
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| gouthamr | bswartz: because whatever you make, we'll have to re-make if we do OVO | 15:59 |
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| ganso | bswartz: really? I thought reads were not harmful | 15:59 |
| bswartz | typically drivers don't want to modify much, but for whatever reason people get crazy ideas and want to read all the fields they shouldn't be depending on | 15:59 |
| bswartz | reading of fields creates dependencies that we have to avoid breaking | 16:00 |
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| ganso | bswartz: oh I see | 16:00 |
| bswartz | it's better to prevent them so there's no dependency at all | 16:00 |
| ganso | bswartz: time check | 16:00 |
| bswartz | argh | 16:00 |
| ameade | it's also possible to just have a list of db methods each driver method can call | 16:00 |
| ameade | with a decorator | 16:00 |
| bswartz | well at least I got to present this idea | 16:00 |
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| gouthamr | ameade: +1 | 16:00 |
| ganso | ameade: +1 | 16:00 |
| ameade | good brainstorm | 16:00 |
| bswartz | we can discuss it more next week | 16:00 |
| bswartz | thanks all | 16:01 |
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| bswartz | please prioritize spec reviews over code reviews | 16:01 |
| ganso | bswartz: +1 | 16:01 |
| bswartz | see you next week | 16:01 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 26 16:01:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-05-26-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-05-26-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-05-26-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
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| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:01 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:01 |
| xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:01 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:01 |
| xarses | Who's here? | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 26 16:01:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:01 |
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| mwhahaha | hi | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov | hi | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:01 |
| maximov | hi | 16:01 |
| warpc | hi | 16:01 |
| ikalnitsky | o/ | 16:01 |
| agordeev | hi | 16:01 |
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| fzhadaev | Hi! | 16:01 |
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| gkibardin | hi | 16:02 |
| dpyzhov | hi | 16:02 |
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| xarses | short agenda today, lets get started | 16:02 |
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| xarses | #topic 9.0 HCF is coming (dpyzhov) | 16:02 |
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| dpyzhov | hi | 16:03 |
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| dpyzhov | my topic was the last one ) | 16:03 |
| ashtokolov | o/ | 16:03 |
| dpyzhov | I just want to highlight that we have only 2 weeks before hcf | 16:03 |
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| dpyzhov | and new bugs that are not going to fit into HCF are to be moved to 10.0 | 16:04 |
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| dpyzhov | thats all | 16:04 |
| xarses | sounds good, thanks | 16:04 |
| xarses | to clarify, thats for 9.0.1 | 16:04 |
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| dpyzhov | yes, exactly | 16:04 |
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| xarses | thanks | 16:05 |
| xarses | #topic Telco Team Status (fzhadaev) | 16:05 |
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| fzhadaev | Our team continues fixing bugs: | 16:05 |
| fzhadaev | * Done from the last update - 7 | 16:05 |
| fzhadaev | * In progress (in development and on review) - 6 | 16:05 |
| fzhadaev | Our second activity is scoping features for 10.0. | 16:05 |
| fzhadaev | For now there are two features in work: SR-IOV+DPDK and DPDK+VXLAN. There are no BPs for them yet.. | 16:05 |
| fzhadaev | That's all. | 16:05 |
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| xarses | are we looking good for closing those before 9.0.1 HCF? | 16:06 |
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| xarses | the bugs | 16:06 |
| fzhadaev | yep. part of them are for 10.0 only | 16:06 |
| xarses | ok | 16:06 |
| xarses | thanks | 16:06 |
| xarses | #topic Toolbox Team status (ashtokolov) | 16:06 |
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| ashtokolov | Fuel toolbox Team is working on bugs | 16:06 |
| ashtokolov | Current status: 16 bugs, all in progress | 16:07 |
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| ashtokolov | Last 2 weeks status: Income 12 bugs, Outcome: 14 bugs. | 16:07 |
| maximov | ashtokolov: are we on track to close all these bugs by HCF ? | 16:07 |
| ashtokolov | That's all | 16:07 |
| ashtokolov | maximov: yes, we are on track | 16:08 |
| maximov | ok | 16:08 |
| xarses | any features for 10 yet? | 16:08 |
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| kozhukalov | not yet | 16:08 |
| maximov | not yet I guess | 16:09 |
| ashtokolov | we are discussing 10.0 with maximov: kozhukalov | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov | definitely newton openstack and ubuntu 16 | 16:09 |
| xarses | #topic open discuss | 16:09 |
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| xarses | thats it for the schedule | 16:09 |
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| mwhahaha | We've got a security related bug that we need to address for 9.0.1, please review https://review.openstack.org/320575 (fuelclient) & https://review.openstack.org/320578 (nailgun) so we can get them backported before HCF. Thanks | 16:10 |
| xarses | anything else to raise? | 16:10 |
| xarses | thanks mwhahaha | 16:10 |
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| bookwar_ | we have failing UCA deployments for master, are there any plans to look into it? | 16:11 |
| mwhahaha | also please review outstanding stuff, there's a bunch of patches that have been sitting for a while now with no reviews | 16:11 |
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| mattymo | bookwar_, usually QA files bugs | 16:11 |
| mattymo | without a duty to report swarm failures, nobody will look | 16:11 |
| bookwar_ | and developers fix them ) | 16:11 |
| mattymo | maybe this should get added to SergK's attention as next release manager? | 16:12 |
| bookwar_ | #link https://ci.fuel-infra.org/view/ISO/job/10.0-community.main.ubuntu.uca_neutron_ha/ | 16:12 |
| mwhahaha | looks like a qa failure, i'll look into it today | 16:12 |
| bookwar_ | mwhahaha: thanks | 16:13 |
| mattymo | mwhahaha, indeed. deploy passed and ostf, just the package check failed | 16:13 |
| mattymo | should be 1 or 2 lines to fix | 16:13 |
| mwhahaha | yea, i'll get something proposed | 16:13 |
| mwhahaha | we do need some bug/visibility on those job failures | 16:14 |
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| mihgen | mwhahaha: regarding /api/version, it was designed to be left open | 16:14 |
| mihgen | I don't remember why though | 16:14 |
| mwhahaha | for auth required | 16:14 |
| vkramskikh | mwhahaha: as for you security patch, quite large UI patch will be required. we'll take care of this | 16:14 |
| mwhahaha | which can be handled by checking for a 401 | 16:14 |
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| mwhahaha | vkramskikh: ok let me know if i can help in anyway | 16:15 |
| mihgen | I'd be careful with the patch, as I suspect that something may break.. | 16:15 |
| mattymo | mwhahaha, but keystone is auth | 16:15 |
| mihgen | like qa scripts | 16:15 |
| vkramskikh | i don't remember why it was needed, but i recall i'll tell you. for now id on't see any obstacles | 16:15 |
| mwhahaha | the problem is version info leakage, so it's a requirment not to expose version info | 16:15 |
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| mattymo | security through obscurity afaik isn't really a fix | 16:16 |
| mattymo | but security testers love it | 16:16 |
| * mwhahaha doesn't make the rules | 16:16 | |
| mwhahaha | i also agree | 16:16 |
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| mattymo | a trained attacker will figure out how to find the version | 16:17 |
| vkramskikh | I know at least one thing which relies on open /api/version - fake nailgun scripts which detect if nailgun is started by polling /api/version | 16:17 |
| vkramskikh | you got -1 from CI because of this | 16:17 |
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| xarses | it checks some box in the security scan, so we will need it if we like it or no | 16:18 |
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| mwhahaha | sounds like we need a health check url that doesn't contain any version info | 16:18 |
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| mwhahaha | perhaps /api/healthcheck ? | 16:18 |
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| mwhahaha | that can be open that just returns an OK or something to that effect | 16:18 |
| vkramskikh | i think just / would be fine | 16:19 |
| xarses | i was thinking that | 16:19 |
| vkramskikh | unless we want to remove static handler from nailgun which isn't actually needed anymore | 16:19 |
| mwhahaha | i think the health check would be useful if it did some connectivity tests like a db check | 16:19 |
| mwhahaha | anyway, we can take it to the reviews | 16:21 |
| xarses | anything else? | 16:21 |
| xarses | otherwise I will close the meeting | 16:21 |
| mattymo | mwhahaha, it should be inexpensive when possible.. though an authenticated check that verifies db connectivty is also useful | 16:21 |
| mattymo | xarses, I have nothing more | 16:21 |
| xarses | thanks everyone have a good week | 16:22 |
| xarses | #endmeeting | 16:22 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 26 16:22:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-05-26-16.01.html | 16:22 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-05-26-16.01.txt | 16:22 |
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| elmiko | #startmeeting security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 26 17:00:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| elmiko | hi | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:00 |
| elmiko | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:00 |
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| tkelsey | hows it going elmiko | 17:00 |
| ccneill | o/ | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:00 |
| elmiko | not bad, how you been tkelsey ? | 17:00 |
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| tkelsey | yeah not too bad thanks | 17:00 |
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| elmiko | cheers =) | 17:00 |
| rhallisey | hello | 17:00 |
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| michaelxin | o/ | 17:01 |
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| tkelsey | hello rhallisey | 17:01 |
| lhinds | hi * | 17:01 |
| elmiko | i'll give folks a minute or two to filte rin | 17:01 |
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| elmiko | ok, let's roll! | 17:02 |
| elmiko | #topic Anchor | 17:02 |
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| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/anchor+status:open,n,z | 17:02 |
| mdong | o/ | 17:02 |
| elmiko | tkelsey, anything here? | 17:02 |
| diazjf | o/ | 17:02 |
| * elmiko doesn't see dg_ | 17:02 | |
| tkelsey | link should be https://review.openstack.org/#/q/openstack/anchor+status:open,n,z I think | 17:02 |
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| elmiko | thanks, i'll updte | 17:03 |
| elmiko | #undo | 17:03 |
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| tkelsey | elmiko: nothing on my radar. I'll poke dg_ | 17:03 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/openstack/anchor+status:open,n,z | 17:03 |
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| elmiko | thanks | 17:03 |
| ccneill | lol I like that the openstack bot returns the memory address for the link | 17:04 |
| ccneill | ohh python | 17:04 |
| elmiko | heh, yea, pretty cute | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | ROFL | 17:04 |
| browne | o/ | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | someone needs to add a str() :P | 17:04 |
| elmiko | ;) | 17:04 |
| michaelxin | gee | 17:04 |
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| elmiko | we'll circle back to anchor when dg is available | 17:05 |
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| elmiko | #Bandit | 17:05 |
| tkelsey | cool | 17:05 |
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| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/bandit+status:open,n,z | 17:05 |
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| tkelsey | so, same again here really, kinda quiet | 17:05 |
| elmiko | tkelsey, tmcpeak what's up? | 17:05 |
| elmiko | hehe | 17:05 |
| elmiko | easy week ;) | 17:05 |
| tkelsey | also link is https://review.openstack.org/#/q/openstack/bandit+status:open,n,z :P | 17:05 |
| elmiko | man... wtf is with these links... | 17:05 |
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| elmiko | #undo | 17:05 |
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| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/openstack/bandit+status:open,n,z | 17:06 |
| michaelxin | before long weekend | 17:06 |
| tkelsey | at least in my browser lol | 17:06 |
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| tkelsey | heh michaelxin yeah :) guess so | 17:06 |
| elmiko | i'm just pulling these from the agenda page | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | sorry alls, away | 17:06 |
| tkelsey | later tmcpeak | 17:06 |
| elmiko | no worries | 17:06 |
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| elmiko | #topic Syntribos | 17:06 |
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| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/syntribos,n,z | 17:06 |
| michaelxin | tmcpeak: bye | 17:06 |
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| elmiko | mdong, michaelxin, ccneill what's up? | 17:07 |
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| ccneill | still testing against mvaldes' vulnerable API | 17:07 |
| elmiko | (and hopefully that link is correct) | 17:07 |
| michaelxin | ccneill: mdong: rahul vinay | 17:07 |
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| tkelsey | link LGTM ;) | 17:07 |
| mdong | we’ve made a first pass taking a deep dive on each of our existing tests | 17:07 |
| mdong | in general, they’re a lot less noisy now | 17:08 |
| ccneill | we have a design meeting tomorrow where we're planning to discuss 1) our lessons learned from testing the vulnerable API, and 2) our plan for removing OpenCAFE | 17:08 |
| ccneill | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/syntribos-design | 17:08 |
| ccneill | er | 17:08 |
| ccneill | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/syntribos-design | 17:08 |
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| ccneill | :P | 17:08 |
| ccneill | if anyone wants to keep up with topics that we're thinking about | 17:08 |
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| ccneill | we're basically trying to get a baseline to see if our most basic tests are useful, and we'll try to collect some good data to get an idea of how effective we are at this point | 17:09 |
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| elmiko | cool, sounds good | 17:09 |
| ccneill | and then we have some ideas for how to get fewer false positives, make test writing easier, etc. so that we can come up with some more exotic tests | 17:09 |
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| ccneill | and we'll compare | 17:09 |
| michaelxin | ccneill: Would you please share the link for our weekly meeting? | 17:09 |
| ccneill | sure, sec | 17:10 |
| mdong | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/syntribos-planning | 17:10 |
| ccneill | boom, mdong beat me to it | 17:10 |
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| browne | does syntribos have separate meetings? | 17:10 |
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| ccneill | one other thing, I wrote a little script yesterday to generate weekly "status reports" from OpenStack projects | 17:11 |
| ccneill | https://github.com/cneill/OS-PPP | 17:11 |
| ccneill | :D | 17:11 |
| elmiko | nice | 17:11 |
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| mdong | we have our own internal meetings, but Charles updates the minutes from those on that etherpad | 17:11 |
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| ccneill | yeah, since we're working with the Intel folks in OSIC, we need a public place to put our docs | 17:11 |
| elmiko | ccneill: your beard is much less epic in your github profile pic ;) | 17:11 |
| michaelxin | browne: Yes. | 17:12 |
| ccneill | so pretty much everything is in the open | 17:12 |
| ccneill | haha elmiko I definitely need a better picture in my Github profile.. | 17:12 |
| elmiko | you look so.... respectable ;P | 17:12 |
| ccneill | haha | 17:12 |
| michaelxin | elmiko: +1 | 17:12 |
| ccneill | wouldn't want anyone getting THAT idea, now would we | 17:12 |
| elmiko | haha | 17:12 |
| elmiko | definitely not | 17:13 |
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| elmiko | ok, sorry for the diversion | 17:13 |
| ccneill | I think that's it for syntribos. hopefully we'll have some stats for the next OSSP meeting | 17:13 |
| elmiko | great! | 17:13 |
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| elmiko | #topic OSSN | 17:13 |
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| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/security-doc,n,z | 17:13 |
| elmiko | hmm, no nkinder around | 17:13 |
| elmiko | anyone have comments on the OSSN status? | 17:14 |
| elmiko | i know we have one in flight (0065?) | 17:14 |
| lhinds | need moar reviews :) | 17:14 |
| elmiko | er 0063 sorry | 17:14 |
| michaelxin | I will send code review for mine this week. | 17:14 |
| michaelxin | Sorry for the delay. | 17:14 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267800/ | 17:14 |
| elmiko | #info needs more reviews | 17:14 |
| elmiko | #undo | 17:14 |
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| lhinds | seriously, if someone take a peek at rate-limting (0068) would be nice | 17:14 |
| elmiko | #info OSSN-0063 needs more reviews | 17:14 |
| elmiko | #info OSSN-0068 needs more reviews | 17:15 |
| elmiko | thanks lhinds | 17:15 |
| elmiko | lhinds: got a link for that review, i'm not seeing it in my gerrit folder | 17:15 |
| lhinds | just a sec.. | 17:16 |
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| lhinds | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313896/ | 17:16 |
| elmiko | awesome, thanks! | 17:16 |
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| tmcpeak | ok back | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | you guys get this security stuff sorted out? | 17:17 |
| elmiko | wb =) | 17:17 |
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| elmiko | we're working on it ;) | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | awesome, Rob would be so proud | 17:17 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 17:17 |
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| elmiko | anything else for OSSN? | 17:17 |
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| elmiko | #topic Midcycle | 17:18 |
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| elmiko | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-security-midcycle-N | 17:18 |
| elmiko | this topic may be kinda light with hyakuhei around | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | well our attendance looks light | 17:18 |
| elmiko | any comments about the dual barbican-ossp midcycle? | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | where's the cool security peoplee at? | 17:18 |
| diazjf | elmiko, still working on getting rooms IBM@Austin. seems unlikely | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | we have a grand total of 6 | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | diazjf: unlikely? | 17:19 |
| elmiko | diazjf: that's a bummer =( | 17:19 |
| michaelxin | diazjf: oh, why? | 17:19 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: sadly, it's very unlikely i can attend | 17:19 |
| michaelxin | elmiko: nooooooooooooo | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | unacceptable | 17:19 |
| diazjf | tmcpeak, Yeah my team doesn't have a good budget :(. I'm still trying to figure some things out, maybe we can host it at Rackspace@Austin | 17:19 |
| elmiko | i know, i know... | 17:19 |
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| browne | i think i won't be able to make this one. had a vacay planned for that week | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | noooo | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | we're falling apart | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson is probably out too :( | 17:20 |
| diazjf | :( | 17:20 |
| michaelxin | Rackspace @Austin might be challenging | 17:21 |
| ccneill | the band is breaking up :( | 17:21 |
| ccneill | soon we'll all be releasing solo albums | 17:21 |
| elmiko | ouch | 17:21 |
| ccneill | :P | 17:21 |
| elmiko | lol | 17:21 |
| michaelxin | due to limit of conference rooms | 17:21 |
| ccneill | michaelxin: we might be able to get the rally room | 17:21 |
| michaelxin | if we want to do it together with Barbican team. | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | it's going to be Rob, the Rax guys, and me in a conference room in Houston or something lol | 17:21 |
| ccneill | michaelxin: but that's pretty much the only room we could realistically use for a pretty big meeting | 17:22 |
| diazjf | Yeah I'm hoping I can book a room and say everyone has a gluten allergy so we don't have to get catering lol | 17:22 |
| michaelxin | Swift team is also wanting to do their mid-cycle | 17:22 |
| elmiko | diazjf: haha | 17:22 |
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| michaelxin | They might want do it in the castle. | 17:22 |
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| elmiko | midcycle on rainey street? | 17:23 |
| elmiko | just a thought | 17:23 |
| ccneill | ^ +100 | 17:23 |
| michaelxin | ccneill: We need to check it. | 17:23 |
| diazjf | michaelxin, yeah the castle seems like the most realistic scenario… | 17:23 |
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| michaelxin | diazjf: yes. | 17:23 |
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| tmcpeak | let's book out that moonshine place for the week | 17:23 |
| elmiko | haha, sweet! | 17:23 |
| ccneill | ^ also +100 | 17:23 |
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| michaelxin | diazjf: Are you sure that you guys will not do it? | 17:24 |
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| michaelxin | If yes, I need to follow up with my leaders to talk about budgests. | 17:24 |
| ccneill | do we have a lot of folks who would have to drive to SA from Austin/elsewhere? or is everyone pretty much flying? | 17:24 |
| diazjf | michaelxin not 100% sure, but we are having problems with funding. I need to talk to some other teams to help out like bluebox, etc. | 17:24 |
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| michaelxin | Can you let me know the decision asap | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | diazjf: talk with Rob, he can usually make it rain | 17:25 |
| ccneill | I don't mind making the drive, but I don't know where we have greater critical mass | 17:25 |
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| michaelxin | tmcpeak: haha | 17:25 |
| michaelxin | good one | 17:25 |
| diazjf | tmcpeak, michaelxin, lets talk next week. I can try and get you an answer by then | 17:25 |
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| michaelxin | diazjf: cool | 17:26 |
| michaelxin | diazjf: Thanks for working on this. | 17:26 |
| michaelxin | I know it is not easy. | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:26 |
| diazjf | we may have to do it at my apartment lol | 17:26 |
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| elmiko | ha! | 17:26 |
| diazjf | hope you guys arn't allergic to dogs | 17:26 |
| michaelxin | SWIFT/Barbican/Security mid-cycle? | 17:26 |
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| michaelxin | it will be awesome | 17:26 |
| elmiko | <3 dogs | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | midsummit | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:27 |
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| elmiko | well, the good news is that this should all go away next year with the new schedule | 17:27 |
| michaelxin | I want to do it in UK | 17:27 |
| ccneill | if only they had bars that were just covered in whiteboards and ethernet jacks | 17:27 |
| elmiko | for any who haven't seen it, https://www.openstack.org/blog/2016/05/faq-evolving-the-openstack-design-summit/ | 17:27 |
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| michaelxin | the rumors become truth | 17:28 |
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| elmiko | ok, anything else about the midcycle? | 17:28 |
| michaelxin | elmiko: you must come | 17:29 |
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| michaelxin | :-) | 17:29 |
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| elmiko | =) | 17:29 |
| elmiko | #topic Publicity | 17:29 |
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| elmiko | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-raising-profile | 17:29 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: anything to discuss here? | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | nopes | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | I've been a bad pitchman lately | 17:29 |
| elmiko | anyone else have news about conferences or talks they are giving related to OSSP? | 17:30 |
| elmiko | bad pitchman, no donut! | 17:30 |
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| Daviey | Maybe OT, but what about the mid-cycle? Any news? | 17:31 |
| elmiko | no worries, we just talked about midcycle | 17:31 |
| elmiko | plans are forming around an austin/san antonio midcycle | 17:31 |
| Daviey | splendid.. dates? | 17:32 |
| elmiko | we are still trying to arrange the space, and preferably would be done with barbican | 17:32 |
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| elmiko | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-security-midcycle-N | 17:32 |
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| Daviey | Ta | 17:32 |
| elmiko | all info is ther =) | 17:32 |
| elmiko | #topic Docs | 17:32 |
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| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/security-doc,n,z | 17:32 |
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| elmiko | hmm, don't see sicarie | 17:33 |
| elmiko | it's been very slow on the docs front, from my perspective | 17:33 |
| elmiko | nothing much to report for the last week | 17:33 |
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| elmiko | #topic Blog | 17:33 |
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| elmiko | #link https://github.com/openstack-security/openstack-security.github.io | 17:33 |
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| elmiko | tmcpeak, anything of note here? | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | nopes | 17:34 |
| elmiko | i know we've had a few more articles go up, which is nice | 17:34 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah, good traction over there | 17:35 |
| elmiko | #topic Threat Analysis | 17:35 |
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| elmiko | i saw this on the ml, | 17:35 |
| elmiko | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/095796.html | 17:35 |
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| elmiko | sounds like we need to help finish the job that was startd at summit | 17:35 |
| elmiko | sadly, both Rob and Doug aren't in at the moment | 17:36 |
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| Daviey | FWIW, i've recently been playing with kolla | 17:36 |
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| gmurphy_ | and? | 17:36 |
| elmiko | nice, good project, friendly team | 17:36 |
| Daviey | it is actually pretty awesome. :) | 17:36 |
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| Daviey | I hope to write some notes up. | 17:36 |
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| elmiko | anyone else here who was involved with the TA at summit? | 17:37 |
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| elmiko | ok, not much to yet then | 17:38 |
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| elmiko | s/to yet/to do yet/ | 17:38 |
| elmiko | #topic AOB | 17:38 |
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| elmiko | anything else to discuss? | 17:38 |
| browne | i had a topic | 17:38 |
| browne | seems ubuntu 14.04's python is 2.7.6 which doesn't support TLS 1.1/1.2 | 17:39 |
| ccneill | forgot to mention, thanks for the CR on syntribos yesterday browne :) it was a good catch | 17:39 |
| elmiko | browne: that's really weird | 17:39 |
| browne | yet, all of openstack's CIs use it and believe its still recommended | 17:39 |
| ccneill | browne: I think I've run into that on my local linux box.. it's a real pain in the butt | 17:40 |
| browne | yeah, ubuntu has no patch for it either. you have to upgrade to 16.04 | 17:40 |
| elmiko | hmm, is thera an action we can take to inform the communnity or something? | 17:40 |
| browne | but matters for openstack since most shops to comply with PCI-DSS are locking down servers to 1.1/1.2 | 17:40 |
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| elmiko | do we need to reach out to infra about changing the image on CI to 16.04? | 17:41 |
| browne | Active Directory/LDAP being one. so keystone gets affected. and any other service that needs to talk with newer TLS | 17:41 |
| elmiko | or maybe talk with vmt about this? | 17:41 |
| browne | elmiko: i think so | 17:41 |
| elmiko | browne: do you want to bring it up on ML? | 17:41 |
| browne | i'm not really sure where to go. just want to get the awareness out. maybe ML | 17:41 |
| browne | ok will do | 17:42 |
| elmiko | awesome! | 17:42 |
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| elmiko | #action browne send email to ML about python 2.7.6 in ubuntu 14.04 and lack of TLS 1.1/1.2 support | 17:42 |
| elmiko | thanks browne | 17:42 |
| elmiko | anything else? | 17:43 |
| browne | np | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | thanks elmiko! | 17:43 |
| ccneill | I'm just gonna +1 renting out Moonshine again ;) | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:43 |
| elmiko | haha | 17:43 |
| elmiko | nice | 17:43 |
| michaelxin | thanks | 17:43 |
| elmiko | i propose we take back 15 minutes of the day, unless someone objects? | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:43 |
| ccneill | +1 | 17:44 |
| Daviey | +2 | 17:44 |
| elmiko | SOLD! | 17:44 |
| ccneill | MERGED | 17:44 |
| elmiko | thanks everybody | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | thanks! | 17:44 |
| elmiko | #endmeeting | 17:44 |
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| lhinds | cheers all | 17:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 26 17:44:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-05-26-17.00.html | 17:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-05-26-17.00.txt | 17:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-05-26-17.00.log.html | 17:44 |
| ccneill | o/ | 17:44 |
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| vgridnev | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 26 18:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vgridnev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:00 |
| egafford | o/ | 18:00 |
| vgridnev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:00 |
| vgridnev | hello folks! | 18:00 |
| vgridnev | #chair egafford | 18:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: egafford vgridnev | 18:00 |
| vgridnev | HA mode enabled | 18:01 |
| egafford | vgridnev: :) | 18:01 |
| elmiko | o/ | 18:02 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 18:02 |
| vgridnev | #topic News / updates | 18:03 |
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| vgridnev | nothing for me (since I'm traveling a little); I'll update my patches and spec soon | 18:04 |
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| elmiko | not much to say for me, been wrapped up with internal projects | 18:04 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | I'm working on some bug fixes. Those are pretty minor but still need to be done. Looks like our keystone trusts model needs improvements | 18:05 |
| vgridnev | seems that Sahara CI are more stable now, but jenkins is not happy sometimes | 18:05 |
| egafford | Not a ton on my end, sadly; mostly downstream testing and bugfix for release. Worked on a spec for plugin-side image gen CLI, but it's not ready for review yet. Pretty straightforward though, happily. | 18:05 |
| vgridnev | egafford, waiting for spec : ) | 18:07 |
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| vgridnev | are there other updates? | 18:07 |
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| vgridnev | #topic Review priorities | 18:08 |
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| vgridnev | #link #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-review-priorities | 18:08 |
| vgridnev | #undo | 18:08 |
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| vgridnev | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-review-priorities | 18:08 |
| vgridnev | so, Newton - 1 is coming soon, please continue review high prio changes in order to get good n1 release | 18:09 |
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| vgridnev | if there are some changes that should be landed in n1, please add them in the ether pad | 18:11 |
| vgridnev | ok, next | 18:11 |
| vgridnev | #topic Open discussion | 18:11 |
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| vgridnev | #undo | 18:11 |
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| vgridnev | #topic API v2 progress | 18:11 |
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| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273316/ | 18:12 |
| vgridnev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sahara/api-v2 | 18:12 |
| vgridnev | elmiko, how is it going? | 18:12 |
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| elmiko | going slowly | 18:13 |
| elmiko | i haven't had any reviews for the last week | 18:13 |
| elmiko | my hope is that over the next month i can get another spec up for the microversions | 18:14 |
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| elmiko | i have a bunch of internal stuff that is taking my time away and i have limited bandwidth for this currently =( | 18:14 |
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| vgridnev | seems that we have a stuck on "specs" stage, that is sad. Can we something to improve that? | 18:15 |
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| elmiko | hmm, not sure | 18:16 |
| elmiko | i could send an email talking about my status to the ML and try to organize a bigger push? | 18:16 |
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| elmiko | but, i mean, we already have the wiki page and everything. we just need more bodies | 18:17 |
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| elmiko | i'm open to suggestions =) | 18:18 |
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| vgridnev | that seems reasonable. we have folks (Poornima, Pratik Gadiya huichun as far as I know) that have some tasks in API v2 area, I guess that them should help in writing specs stage | 18:18 |
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| * egafford thinks we're just resource-light at the moment, but I really do think Sahara will get a lot more interest and then people the minute baremetal-to-tenant becomes even a little more real. | 18:19 | |
| egafford | elmiko: Are there any light specs up that would be good intro-to-dev-for-Sahara fodder? | 18:20 |
| elmiko | yea, i'm not sure on the path forward here. i simply don't have the bandwidth to cover all the bases :/ | 18:20 |
| egafford | I might know a few engineers looking for such tasks. :) | 18:20 |
| elmiko | there are some tasks on the wiki page that would certainly be easy to pickup | 18:20 |
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| elmiko | the main spec we need for the end of apiv2 is microversions, but everything else is doable as updates to either endpoints or json responses | 18:21 |
| egafford | Some of the renames seem super bit-sides. | 18:21 |
| egafford | sized. | 18:22 |
| elmiko | yea | 18:22 |
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| elmiko | i tried to decompose it for anyone to work on | 18:22 |
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| egafford | Solid. :) | 18:22 |
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| elmiko | i think that's all i have for now | 18:25 |
| vgridnev | So, I we need to think how to bring new folks to Sahara community. Easy to pick up tasks also are needed, probably we need some place to concentrate them. | 18:25 |
| vgridnev | At least | 18:25 |
| vgridnev | #topic Open discussion | 18:26 |
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| egafford | vgridnev: +1. Doing some bp and bug pruning in Launchpad could help with that (it's hard to know what to do if there's a bunch of cruft.) | 18:26 |
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| * egafford is assuming we primarily want to record tasks in bugs and bps. We could spin up a wiki for them, but. Hm; looks like there's no explicit "low-hanging fruit" kind of tag in launchpad. | 18:29 | |
| elmiko | there should be | 18:29 |
| egafford | elmiko: Yeah, it'd be handy. | 18:29 |
| elmiko | at least, there was a low-hanging-fruit tag | 18:29 |
| elmiko | i know i'ver used it before | 18:30 |
| egafford | elmiko: Ah, perhaps I'm completely incorrect. | 18:30 |
| vgridnev | ok, for sure I will try to start collect ideas / bugs / bps. And then we to understand how to *push* that to community, like Outreachy Program, or Google start to code (is it right name). Probably Product WG should know how to so; I don't know | 18:30 |
| vgridnev | I'm still using low-hanging-fruit tag for bugs | 18:31 |
| egafford | I can ask in the next product WG meeting. | 18:31 |
| elmiko | cool | 18:31 |
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| elmiko | egafford: try using the tag "low-hanging-fruit", that yields results for me | 18:31 |
| egafford | elmiko: Ah, that makes sense. Bugs but not bps. | 18:31 |
| egafford | I was looking for bps specifically. | 18:31 |
| elmiko | right | 18:31 |
| elmiko | ah | 18:31 |
| egafford | I know vkmc on my team (as well as elmiko) has done a ton of intern/outreach kinda stuff. Getting someone in to work on Sahara might be quite possible, though we might be out of cycle right now. | 18:33 |
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| elmiko | yea, outreachy just began a new cycle | 18:33 |
| elmiko | not sure about the other intern programs | 18:33 |
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| vgridnev | is there something additional that we need to cover? | 18:35 |
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| elmiko | nothing from me | 18:35 |
| egafford | Don't think so. | 18:36 |
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| vgridnev | ok, thanks for attending : ) | 18:36 |
| vgridnev | #stopmeeting | 18:36 |
| egafford | o/ | 18:36 |
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| elmiko | thanks vgridnev | 18:37 |
| vgridnev | oops | 18:37 |
| vgridnev | #endmeeting | 18:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 26 18:37:14 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-05-26-18.00.html | 18:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-05-26-18.00.txt | 18:37 |
| elmiko | hehe | 18:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-05-26-18.00.log.html | 18:37 |
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