Monday, 2016-05-30

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ihrachys#startmeeting neutron_upgrades15:01
openstackMeeting started Mon May 30 15:01:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
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ihrachyshello my friends15:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades'15:01
jlibosvao/15:01
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korzenhelo15:01
ihrachysrossella_s: are you back with us?15:01
rossella_sihrachys, yeah15:01
ihrachysgreat15:02
ihrachysok I guess it's mostly it, and we can start15:02
ihrachys#topic Actions from the last meeting15:02
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ihrachysjust one15:02
ihrachys"korzen to send a breaking patch to validate multinode grenade job catches rolling breakages"15:02
ihrachyskorzen: have you got a chance?15:02
korzenyeah...15:03
korzennope15:03
ihrachysok, then let's make sure it happens till next time :)15:03
korzensorry but I forgot about 2 days off I've taken15:03
ihrachys#action korzen to send a breaking patch to validate multinode grenade job catches rolling breakages15:03
korzenlast week15:03
korzenok, I will prepare for the next meeting15:04
ihrachysthat's ok. as long as it eventually happens :)15:04
ihrachys#topic Review velocity15:04
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ihrachysone thing before we get into tech details is this ^15:04
ihrachysI feel that we lack attention to our patches somewhat15:04
ihrachysespecially from cores15:04
ihrachyssome reviewers use the review-day dashboard15:04
* ihrachys dig for a link...15:05
ihrachysok, it's at...15:06
ihrachys#link http://status.openstack.org/reviews/15:06
ihrachyssee the "Gerrit Dashboard links" above15:06
ihrachysthis dashboard is built from gerrit topics15:06
ihrachysand it shows just bugs and bps that are targeted for Newton15:06
ihrachysso far we used 'ovo' topic15:07
ihrachysbut it does not show up in the dashboad15:07
ihrachysI experimented with switching some of my patches to using proper bug number mentioned in the topic15:07
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ihrachysit's hard to say whether it helped, but those landed15:08
ihrachysso I wonder whether we may want to change our policy on topics in this regard15:08
rossella_sihrachys, let's do that15:08
jlibosvaI vote for change - we could have topic per rsource or something15:08
korzenit can be helpful to show that our work is scoped for newton.,,15:08
rossella_sihrachys, one of the goal of the review dashboard is to make it easier for cores to find important patches15:09
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ihrachysok, let's try that.15:09
korzenso what should be the topic then?15:09
rossella_sihrachys, so let's change, there's agreement :)15:09
ihrachyskorzen: it should be bug/XXXX15:09
ihrachyswhere XXXX is a bug that is targeted15:09
ihrachysor it's bp/...15:09
ihrachysagain, targeted bp15:10
ihrachysI think for general stuff, we should use bp15:10
* ihrachys digs for an example15:10
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ihrachys#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/adopt-oslo-versioned-objects-for-db15:10
ihrachysfor some related patches with a proper bug report we can also use bug/...15:11
ihrachysf.e. I have that sorting/pagination bug that blocks some ovo patches, so I use:15:11
ihrachys#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bug/156651415:11
ihrachysany other ideas on how to get more attention to the effort?15:12
korzenihrachys, ok thx15:12
korzenihrachys, maybe ML?15:12
ihrachysapart from personal pings that may or may not work depending on the position of Venus15:12
ihrachyskorzen: like... a status update f.e. bi-weekly with links to patches and overall description of the progress?15:13
korzenI can prepare some ML mail with sumamry of our wokr15:13
ihrachysthat may be a good thing indeed if we stay focused there15:13
korzenyes15:13
ihrachysanyone else to comment on that one?15:13
ihrachysrossella_s: jlibosva: ?15:14
jlibosvamaybe putting it on open agenda for weeklies15:14
jlibosvajust a small update with polite request for core reviews :)15:14
rossella_sjlibosva, +115:14
ihrachysok cool, let's use that opportunity too15:15
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ihrachysI will update for the next one15:15
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ihrachysok, let's change topics, prepare a status update, and shout out on the next meeting. we'll see whether it brings more traction. :)15:15
korzenjlibosva, good point, I can prepare e-mail with summary and we can walk it through on the netutron team meeting15:16
ihrachys#action korzen to prepare first bi-weekly status update for ML15:16
ihrachys#action ihrachys to update neutron meeting open agenda with ovo status update15:16
ihrachys#action everyone to switch from 'ovo' topic to bug/XXXX or bp/XXXX where XXXX is targeted for Newton15:17
ihrachyssounds fair?15:17
rossella_sihrachys, yes15:17
jlibosvaquestion15:17
ihrachysjlibosva: shoot15:17
rossella_swe could also try to volunteer some other core...if we get 3 cores no one can stop us :D15:17
jlibosvashould we open bugs for ongoing work so we can have better granularity?15:17
rossella_sI think we can find some core that could do reviews at least...don't you think ihrachys ?15:18
ihrachysjlibosva: what would be a topic of such a bug?15:18
jlibosvae.g. we have bug per resource and bug is done once we have the object in db15:18
ihrachysrossella_s: we can. I tried to pull ajo_ and kevinbenton but it did not work.15:18
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jlibosvain db plugin I mean or db layer or how is it called15:18
ihrachysrossella_s: HenryG was more involved in some related patches15:19
rossella_smaybe HenryG ?15:19
ihrachysrossella_s: fyi I have a sit-down with HenryG tomorrow to walk him thru ovo implementation.15:19
rossella_sihrachys, great!15:20
ihrachysjlibosva: I would be fine with it if we don't go too deep and if it's really a one person granular effort15:20
* HenryG reads backscroll...15:20
ihrachysotherwise bug reassignments in LP become bothersome15:20
ihrachysHenryG: we are looking into expanding the core pool for ovo patches to get more velocity15:20
ihrachysHenryG: currently we have two, and both produce patches, meaning it's always an effort to get a second vote15:21
HenryGOK15:21
HenryGpecan had/has a similar problem15:21
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ihrachysHenryG: have they solved it? or they just struggle?15:22
HenryGthe latter15:22
ihrachyssounds promising!15:22
ihrachyssigh15:22
rossella_swe can do an agreement...we review pecan if they review ovo :D15:23
korzen:)15:23
ihrachysok, let's proceed on action items we already identified, and sync next week on more improvements.15:23
ihrachysjlibosva: so to follow up on your question, I think no one will be particularly against it, but note that those bugs are really of RFE type, which would trigger neutron drivers needlessly. something to consider.15:24
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ihrachysok, let's digest that for the next week. let's move on to tech stuff.15:24
ihrachys#topic Partial Multinode Grenade15:24
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ihrachysI am not aware of any progress. korzen, are you?15:24
korzennope15:25
ihrachysok, then let's skip that one15:25
ihrachys#topic Object implementation15:25
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ihrachysafaiu we have some bare patches with objects but few of them have code that adopts them in any db modules.15:26
korzenI have started the Subnet OVO integration patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321001/15:26
jlibosvawait15:26
korzenit is just a bunch of TODOs15:26
jlibosvaI was working on that one too15:26
jlibosvasorry, it's subnetpool15:26
jlibosvaignore me :)15:26
ihrachysjlibosva: you work on subnetpool? I assume you reuse what I already had?15:27
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ihrachyskorzen: cool, at least there is something to start expanding on15:27
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jlibosvaihrachys: sure, we agreed on that couple of meetings back15:27
ihrachysjlibosva: ok great, just wanted to make sure :)15:27
korzenin my subnet ovo patch I have identified the use cases and tried to mimic the extention mechanism for ML2 plugin15:27
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korzenthe extension mechanism will be useful for network more than for subnet but the port object can benefit as well15:28
ihrachyskorzen: I think we don't need to fix all those TODOs in one go15:28
ihrachyswe should be able to pick one module and switch it15:28
ihrachysthen take the next one15:29
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korzenihrachys, yes, I'm planning to split15:29
ihrachysok, thanks for starting chewing it15:29
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rossella_sI have update the port ovo patch15:30
korzenI have identified that the segment_id has been added to subnet15:30
ihrachyskorzen: yes, it landed very lately15:30
korzenso the segment_id as AuthenticBase is rework needed for Subnet OVO patch15:30
korzenand*15:30
ihrachysrossella_s: do you plan to take on adopting it in the code in the near future?15:31
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rossella_sihrachys, yes but the missing extensions need to be finished15:31
ihrachyskorzen: haven't we landed Authentic?15:31
rossella_ssayalilunkad, how about sec group?15:31
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ihrachyskorzen: ok, checked, it's in the tree now15:32
sayalilunkadrossella_s: I haven't had time to work on it these weeks but I should be able to start with it again by next week15:32
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korzenihrachys, your suggestion in Subnet OVO patch to move the IPNetwork to AuthenticBase, yes?15:33
ihrachysok, one more thing that we lack is lack of support for sorting/pagination in objects15:33
ihrachysfirst patch for that is: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300055/ (I need to get back to comments from jlibosva there)15:33
ihrachyskorzen: depends on how API currently behaves. the main point is that we should not break any tests.15:33
ihrachyskorzen: but I suspect that yes, it will be needed there.15:34
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ihrachysI am also slowly covering resources with sorting/pagination api tests.15:34
ihrachyswe merged networks, now ports are also merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320980/15:34
korzensuper :)15:35
ihrachysthere is also a bug revealed by that work in page_reverse, that should be covered by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318270/ (that lacks some api tests for a arcane api feature though)15:35
ihrachysoverall, I would love to see some volunteers to cover more of existing resources with sorting/pagination tests.15:36
ihrachysI already talked to tony4... prev week on that one, and he said he will start looking into it15:36
ihrachysbut more people would be of great value there15:36
ihrachyspatches are not too involving, and I am glad to help15:36
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rossella_sgreat job ihrachys about pagination and sorting !15:38
korzenanyone has took a look into network object?15:38
korzen#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/26965815:39
ihrachysit's in conflict15:39
ihrachysalso no attempt to adopt.15:39
ihrachysI am keen to stop merging more objects before we see at least some instances where they are attempted to be used15:40
korzenihrachys, ok I will try to elaborate more on it for the next meeting15:40
ihrachysmaybe short sightedly, I try to accommodate for getting subnets into shape since we have kevinbenton depending on that implementation for his rpc refactoring15:41
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ihrachysok, let's proceed on specific patches on OVO15:42
ihrachys#topic Open Discussion15:42
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ihrachysanything more to cover?15:42
korzenI've seen midcycle sprint announcement15:42
korzenanyone traveling there15:43
ihrachysright. anyone coming?15:43
korzen?15:43
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ihrachysI am not sure, haven't talked to my manager in private yet. I would need a visa and all.15:43
korzenI can go if the upgrades will be on the agenda15:43
jlibosvado you plan to put objects as a topic?15:43
ihrachyswe could, assuming we have enough interested people15:43
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korzenI guess that we should have smth solid to discuss to have it on agenda15:44
rossella_sI am not going15:44
rossella_sI'd prefer to have a sprint focused on ovo as last time15:44
jlibosvarossella_s: not even if the dates are going to change?15:44
rossella_sjlibosva, are they going to change?15:44
ihrachysjlibosva: would they?15:44
jlibosvadunno, but there were complains it's during holiday period which is also related to flight tickets prices15:45
jlibosvaI don't want to spread rumors :)15:45
jlibosvait's not even a rumor but just saying people weren't happy about the dates15:45
korzenfrom my point of view, unless there is something bloking us, we can skip the midcycle15:45
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rossella_sjlibosva, I wrote one of those complaints anyway I did't have the impression that dates could change15:45
jlibosvaok15:46
ihrachysthere was a thread on concurrency issues around rpc callbacks mechanism15:46
ihrachys#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/094862.html15:46
rossella_sit's just a bit unfortunate that the first european midcycle is during a week that it's holidays for most european countries15:46
ihrachysI honestly haven't found time to digest that.15:46
ihrachysbut I saw korzen was there to reply.15:46
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ihrachyskorzen: could you give a brief overview of what's the result of discussion?15:47
rossella_sihrachys, we are not supposed to handle concurrency at object level15:47
rossella_sihrachys, the caller of the object should take care of that15:47
korzenso the outcome was that OVO is not going to solve the concurency issues15:47
ihrachysnot by itself, sure15:48
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rossella_ssee https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315705/15:48
korzenI guess that Ilya idea was covered by kevinbenton spec with push notification and resource state version in DB15:49
ihrachysthat's CAS approach that he mentioned right?15:49
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ihrachys"Lock-free CAS based on object version counter"15:49
korzenyes15:49
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ihrachysok, then it's not anything new that he raised. we are well aware of that issue.15:50
ihrachysthanks for updating me folks!15:50
ihrachysanything more to discuss?15:50
ihrachysI guess no and we have 9 minutes till a next meeting! enjoy!15:51
ihrachys#endmeeting15:51
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korzenthanks, bye15:51
jlibosvathanks, bye15:51
rossella_sbye15:51
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dguitarbite_julenl: Hi17:08
dguitarbite_julenl: I think we dont need to have a meeting today. Roger did not show up yet.17:08
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julenlhi again dguitarbite :)17:08
julenlthat's fine for me.. I'm working on the specs file you told me17:08
dguitarbite_julenl: lets switch to another channel. See you.17:09
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mfedosinCourtesy meeting reminder ( #openstack-meeting-alt ): nikhil_k, ativelkov, mfedosin, docaedo, dshakhray, kfox111, kairat, nikhil, sudipto17:29
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nikhilo/17:30
mfedosin#startmeeting glare17:30
openstackMeeting started Mon May 30 17:30:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mfedosin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:30
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:30
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'glare'17:30
mfedosino/17:30
sudipto_o/17:30
mfedosin#topic agenda17:30
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mfedosin#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-artifacts-sub-team-meeting-agenda17:30
* docaedo is stepping into an airplane, will miss out, apologies17:30
mfedosin#topic Updates17:30
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mfedosinkairat wanted to propose some topics today17:31
mfedosindocaedo: np :)17:31
mfedosinso, I'm working on our framework17:32
mfedosinas I mentioned, we decided to simplify our model and remove Text type from it17:32
mfedosinnow there is only String17:33
mfedosinand 3 other primitive types17:33
mfedosinInteger, Float and Boolean17:33
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mfedosinkairat is testing adding new artifact types and fixes glare config17:34
mfedosindshakhray is implementing test artifact type17:34
mfedosinthat contains all possible properties from our framework17:35
mfedosinand writing tests, for sure :)17:35
mfedosinno known bugs are here, so we try to polish the code17:35
mfedosinand prepare it for community reviews17:36
mfedosinthat's all updates for now17:37
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mfedosinAlso docaedo was interested in possibility to integrate Glare with other oauth servers17:38
mfedosinI think it could be done with standalone auth middleware17:38
mfedosinand we shouldn't care about it right now17:39
nikhil+117:39
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nikhil(+1 on not right now)17:39
mfedosinIf everything will be fine we will prepare a list of tasks for community17:40
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mfedosinthat have to be implemented in Glare17:40
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mfedosinI think that's all I have for today17:40
nikhilwoohoo17:40
mfedosinand also, there is a spec on review17:41
mfedosin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283136/17:41
mfedosinleave your comments there17:42
mfedosinI'm going to update it today17:42
mfedosinIf there are no any questions I think we can finish17:42
nikhilmfedosin: I was told that it is hard to review the spec when the code isn't there. May be you send email to ML explaning how to use the WIP patches to test the functionality and help review the spec?17:42
mfedosinthere is only one big patch17:43
mfedosinother were abandoned today17:43
nikhil(maybe a note explaning that the WIP patch is actually the latest and good to test)17:43
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mfedosinnikhil: good idea17:43
mfedosintomorrow then17:44
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nikhilmfedosin: I saw a bunch of patches from kairat today that are WIP17:44
nikhilmfedosin: but it's hard to tell which is the POC and where are other stuff17:44
mfedosinnikhil: they are actually WIP17:44
nikhilmfedosin: I am talking about someone who isn't involved in the development but would like to review:17:44
nikhilit's impossible to understand how should I go about reviewing that big piece of code17:44
nikhilI think if the bare minimum exists in the review pipe and others are either abandoned or hidden somehow..17:45
nikhilor there's good documentation of what's exactly happening in the development process, it will help with the review17:46
nikhilfor now, everything looks like a black box :(17:46
mfedosinspec just describes API17:46
mfedosinand it's like black box :)17:47
nikhiland may be that's the problem17:47
nikhilfor example, how can I be sure to merge something I do not understand17:47
mfedosinI think we can organize virtual meetup17:47
nikhilanyway, let's ask sudipto_ 's experience of reviewing the spec (if he has had time)17:47
sudipto_nikhil, mfedosin it's been the similar problem with me.17:47
mfedosinwhere I'll go through the code and describe how it works17:48
nikhil(currently, I do not know who else is trying to review it proactively)17:48
sudipto_nikhil, i will take a look at the spec. It's been on my list. I have read through it once but it has been updated since then.17:48
nikhilsudipto_: ok, thanks.17:48
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mfedosinsudipto_: yeah, thank you for that!17:49
sudipto_nikhil, mfedosin the black box problem - i hope we will be able to see through soon :)17:49
mfedosinI can write a demo, where I tell you how it works very detailed17:50
nikhilok, let's huddle back in a couple of days.. I would like for us to sync after newton-1 is released. May be I will be able to fully review the updated spec again too.17:50
mfedosinwhat do you think?17:50
nikhilmfedosin: let's chat wednesday on that plan. I will try to review more myself and ask another person about their opinion on how they thing they could review.17:51
nikhilthink*17:51
mfedosinokay17:51
sudipto_mfedosin, nikhil sounds good.17:51
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sudipto_mfedosin, i will read it again tomorrow and give fresh feedback.17:52
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nikhilthat's it from me. thanks mfedosin for being pateint!17:52
mfedosinthank you folks17:52
mfedosinI have no idea how I appreciate this :)17:52
nikhilmy pleasure :)17:53
nikhil(trying to be more productive)17:53
mfedosin+1 :)17:53
mfedosinThe flu knocked me out of the rut for two weeks.17:54
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nikhilouch17:54
sudipto_mfedosin, that didn't show in your nova patches :-) you were pretty efficient :D17:54
nikhilhope you are better now17:54
mfedosinnow I'm fine17:54
mfedosinJust acute bronchitis and cough :)17:55
sudipto_mfedosin, :(17:55
sudipto_please feel better soon!17:55
mfedosinwill do :)17:56
mfedosinokay, we can finish for today17:56
nikhilyes, thanks.17:56
mfedosinthank you for coming17:56
mfedosinand for hope :D17:57
mfedosin#endmeeting17:57
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