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samP | Today's PWG regional meeting is skipped and will be at 7th Jun. Pls see the Ken's mail in product-wg@lists.openstack.org | 02:05 |
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moshele | hi | 13:00 |
gjayavelu | hi | 13:00 |
moshele | anyone for SR-IOV meeting? | 13:00 |
lbeliveau | hi | 13:00 |
moshele | #startmeeting sriov | 13:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue May 31 13:00:51 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is moshele. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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moshele | hi | 13:01 |
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lennyb | hi moshele | 13:01 |
moshele | I will skip the SR-IOV/PCI Passthrough CI as we don't have any update | 13:01 |
moshele | also the Documentation | 13:02 |
moshele | #topic bug fixes | 13:02 |
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moshele | so dansmith review the patches | 13:02 |
lbeliveau | did jay review them ? | 13:03 |
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moshele | and he gave +1 to the resize patch but he want jaypipes to +2 first so I need to talk to him | 13:03 |
moshele | lbeliveau: I will talk to him after the meeting | 13:03 |
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lbeliveau | moshele: cool | 13:03 |
moshele | lbeliveau: any update on the migration patch? | 13:04 |
lbeliveau | I'm going to work on it today, well it works as it is with the resize patch, but I want to eliminate passing the pci_request_id to the neutron port | 13:04 |
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moshele | yes so once you pushed it I will make it depend on the resize patch at test it as well | 13:05 |
lbeliveau | ok, I'll ping you a bit later today | 13:05 |
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moshele | anything else on bugs? | 13:06 |
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lbeliveau | not for me | 13:06 |
gjayavelu | is there a query used for pci bugs? | 13:06 |
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moshele | I think you can look for bug with pci tag | 13:06 |
gjayavelu | ok | 13:06 |
moshele | #topic Spec for review | 13:07 |
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moshele | so I review the vmware SR-IOV spec. I think it looks good | 13:08 |
gjayavelu | thanks moshele | 13:08 |
lbeliveau | haven't look at the lateset version you posted today | 13:08 |
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moshele | I want to push this spec User-controlled SR-IOV ports allocation https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182242/ | 13:09 |
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moshele | so It was started by Roman Bogorodskiy and I asked him to take over it | 13:09 |
lbeliveau | I'll have a look | 13:10 |
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moshele | yes so the current spec it not my idea | 13:10 |
moshele | I want to use the neutron resource tagging to be able to tag ports | 13:10 |
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moshele | and also add in the pci_whitelist the ability to tag them in to group so you can choose VFs from different PF | 13:12 |
moshele | I will work on something by this next week I hope | 13:12 |
moshele | lbeliveau: is User-controlled SR-IOV ports allocation use case interest you? | 13:13 |
lbeliveau | maybe, I need to have a closer look | 13:13 |
moshele | same for ^ gjayavelu | 13:13 |
lbeliveau | let me review it today | 13:13 |
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gjayavelu | sure, i'll review today | 13:13 |
moshele | anything else on specs ? | 13:14 |
gjayavelu | also, isn't the non-priority spec freeze this week? | 13:14 |
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moshele | gjayavelu: I guess, but I am targeting to the next release : ) | 13:15 |
gjayavelu | ok :) | 13:15 |
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moshele | I will be glad if we can push resize and migration fixes in this release | 13:15 |
lbeliveau | me too ! | 13:15 |
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moshele | gjayavelu: regarding to you vmware for SR-IOV maybe you should raise it in the nova meeting if you want it approved in this release | 13:16 |
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gjayavelu | moshele: will do. | 13:17 |
moshele | anything else? | 13:17 |
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lbeliveau | good with me | 13:18 |
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moshele | so I guess we can end the meeting right? | 13:18 |
gjayavelu | i'm good too. thanks | 13:18 |
lbeliveau | let me know how it goes with jay | 13:18 |
moshele | sure | 13:19 |
moshele | #endmeeting | 13:19 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 31 13:19:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:19 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-05-31-13.00.html | 13:19 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-05-31-13.00.txt | 13:19 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-05-31-13.00.log.html | 13:19 |
lbeliveau | bye guys | 13:19 |
jaypipes | lbeliveau, moshele: hey, what's up? | 13:19 |
moshele | jaypipes: hi | 13:19 |
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lbeliveau | jaypipes: hello | 13:20 |
moshele | jaypipes: can you review the resize patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307124/ | 13:20 |
moshele | jaypipes: dansmith gave it +1 which was last in rebase, but he want you to +2 it first | 13:20 |
jaypipes | moshele: k, gimme a few | 13:21 |
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moshele | jaypipes: also Intel PCI CI is passing on resize see http://52.27.155.124/pci/307124/19/testr_experimental_result.html.gz | 13:21 |
moshele | jaypipes: and me and lbeliveau test it manually as well | 13:22 |
moshele | jaypipes: thanks | 13:22 |
lbeliveau | jaypipes: once this is merged, we are going to push a fix for cold migration | 13:23 |
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jaypipes | danpb, moshele, lbeliveau: I got a question from someone internal at Mirantis about whether live migration of SR-IOV vnics would be possible. I didn't know the answer... do you guys know anything about that? | 13:29 |
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moshele | jaypipes: In the future I saw some patches in qemu to support that, but I don't think it is upstream yet | 13:33 |
lbeliveau | jaypipes: afaik it's currently not possible, I think it is only possible with macvtap at the moment | 13:36 |
lbeliveau | jaypipes: I'll have a look as to why it's not supported | 13:37 |
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d0ugal | o/ | 14:00 |
adarazs | o/ | 14:00 |
jdob | [T]/ | 14:00 |
EmilienM | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue May 31 14:00:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:00 |
EmilienM | #topic rollcall | 14:00 |
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EmilienM | hey folks | 14:00 |
coolsvap | Hello | 14:00 |
derekh | \o | 14:00 |
sshnaidm | hi | 14:00 |
marios | o/ | 14:00 |
gfidente | hello | 14:01 |
d0ugal | Hi all! | 14:01 |
EmilienM | #topic agenda | 14:01 |
beagles | o/ | 14:01 |
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EmilienM | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TripleO | 14:01 |
EmilienM | * two off agenda items | 14:01 |
EmilienM | * bugs | 14:01 |
EmilienM | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:01 |
EmilienM | * CI | 14:01 |
EmilienM | * specs | 14:01 |
EmilienM | * open discussion | 14:01 |
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EmilienM | (I just realized I created an item that is part of a topic) | 14:02 |
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EmilienM | so we have one off agenda item | 14:02 |
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EmilienM | beagles: o/ | 14:02 |
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EmilienM | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-bug-cleanup-2016 | 14:02 |
EmilienM | you wanted to chat about it? | 14:02 |
rbrady | o/ | 14:02 |
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woodster_ | o/ | 14:02 |
rhallisey | hi | 14:02 |
sshnaidm | EmilienM, unfortunately I can't edit wiki and add there issues, because of security policy of wiki, maybe it's better to use a etherpad for this? | 14:03 |
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beagles | more of a status really | 14:03 |
EmilienM | beagles: sure, go ahead | 14:03 |
EmilienM | sshnaidm: that's unfortunate :( | 14:04 |
beagles | I've been digging through the bugs starting at the oldest first and working my way forward | 14:04 |
beagles | some of them are probably having more learned eyes go over, but aren't a high priority afaict | 14:04 |
jtomasek | o/ | 14:04 |
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beagles | I just wanted to bring it up in this meeting along with the link in the agenda that if anyone is curious, go have a look and offer thoughts, guidance, correction etc | 14:05 |
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beagles | that is all really | 14:05 |
trown | o/ | 14:05 |
EmilienM | beagles: ok cool | 14:05 |
EmilienM | #topic bugs | 14:06 |
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EmilienM | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 14:06 |
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dprince | hi everyone | 14:06 |
* dprince is late | 14:06 | |
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EmilienM | do we have outstanding bugs this week? | 14:06 |
sshnaidm | I filed yesterday: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1586906 | 14:07 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1586906 in tripleo "CI: periodic jobs fail becasue "no stack found"" [Undecided,New] | 14:07 |
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slagle | just wanted to mention https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1585641, which is still causing many CI jobs to fail | 14:07 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1585641 in tripleo "CI: jobs failing with Message: No valid host was found. There are not enough hosts available., Code: 500"" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to James Slagle (james-slagle) | 14:07 |
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EmilienM | slagle: right, we still have this one | 14:07 |
slagle | we are still waiting on the fix in nova to land | 14:07 |
dprince | yeah, still seeing lots of those myself too | 14:07 |
EmilienM | :( sigh | 14:07 |
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EmilienM | we need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316031/ | 14:08 |
EmilienM | iirc | 14:08 |
EmilienM | someone is looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1586906 already? | 14:09 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1586906 in tripleo "CI: periodic jobs fail becasue "no stack found"" [Undecided,New] | 14:09 |
dprince | if there is a patch we know fixes it (or think it does) we could cherry pick it | 14:09 |
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dprince | that would mean building a custom Nova patch for each CI run... but we've done it before | 14:09 |
EmilienM | dprince: yes we could, as long as we catch-up from master once the patch is merged upstream | 14:10 |
slagle | dprince: i wasn't sure that still worked or not | 14:10 |
EmilienM | dprince: +1 for this proposal | 14:10 |
slagle | i couldn't see how in our scripts it would know to build the nova package | 14:10 |
slagle | so we might need to add some plumbing | 14:10 |
dprince | slagle: well... it used to. And it is a useful thing to have | 14:10 |
dprince | slagle: so if we need to re-add this capability I'd think it generally useful | 14:11 |
slagle | yes | 14:11 |
dprince | think of it as an upstream defense mechanism | 14:11 |
EmilienM | (as long as it's temporary) | 14:11 |
EmilienM | dprince: do we take action on this? | 14:11 |
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slagle | i can have a look at it | 14:11 |
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derekh | slagle: it stopped working a while ago, but if you add nova to ZUUL_CHANGES as part of the cherry-pivk function then that should be all thats needed http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/tripleo-ci/tree/scripts/common_functions.sh#n43 | 14:12 |
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slagle | derekh: yea, that's what i had tried, but i think i got the syntax wrong for ZUUL_CHANGES | 14:12 |
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EmilienM | #action slagle to cherry-pick nova/316031 into tripleo CI | 14:12 |
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derekh | slagle: ok, iirc depending on where you do it, it may need to be space delimited or "^" | 14:13 |
EmilienM | anything else about bugs? | 14:13 |
EmilienM | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:14 |
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EmilienM | shardy asked us if we could produce a newton-alpha this week | 14:15 |
EmilienM | slagle: do you still have time this week to work on it with me? | 14:15 |
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EmilienM | I never did it for tripleo (only puppet modules), but want to learn | 14:15 |
derekh | slagle: also there might be something useful in here (or maybe not) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227563/6 | 14:15 |
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slagle | EmilienM: yea, it should be relatively straightforward, get the hashes from the last successful promote, and release those | 14:16 |
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EmilienM | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 14:16 |
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slagle | EmilienM: hopefully we can get a promote this week, if not, we can use what was promoted last week | 14:16 |
EmilienM | slagle: cool, let's do it this afternoon or tomorrow, depending if your agenda (mine is flexible) | 14:16 |
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EmilienM | #action EmilienM & slagle to promote CI & release newton-alpha | 14:17 |
EmilienM | any question/feedback about release management? | 14:17 |
EmilienM | do we have outstanding backports this week? | 14:17 |
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EmilienM | ok, let's move then | 14:18 |
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EmilienM | #topic CI | 14:18 |
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EmilienM | so we have some bugs already mentionned earlier that affect CI, but otherwise, do we have outstanding work regarding CI? | 14:19 |
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sshnaidm | I'm asking for advise who can review and approve tripleo testing jobs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320957/ because talking "to all" doesn't work, I'd prefer to ask specific people. If somebody knows how it could be pushed, please advise me | 14:19 |
EmilienM | sshnaidm: you need to ping infra prople about this patch, pabelanger for example | 14:20 |
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EmilienM | people* | 14:20 |
EmilienM | sshnaidm: /join #openstack-infra and ask for review | 14:21 |
sshnaidm | EmilienM, ok, will ask pabelanger | 14:21 |
EmilienM | cool | 14:21 |
derekh | I have nothing on the current ci | 14:21 |
derekh | rh2 deployment is making progress, I now have a publically available working rh2 overcloud | 14:21 |
sshnaidm | EmilienM, I do it every day | 14:21 |
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derekh | today started testing OVB on it | 14:21 |
EmilienM | sshnaidm: sad story | 14:21 |
derekh | will be redeploying several times over the next week or so, so still a WIP (but no blockers yet) | 14:21 |
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EmilienM | derekh: excellent progress :) | 14:21 |
EmilienM | derekh: do you need help for something? | 14:22 |
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derekh | not at the moment, when I get it all up, I'll send on my scripts and take suggestions etc.. on how things could better be configured | 14:23 |
EmilienM | cool | 14:23 |
EmilienM | thx for this work | 14:23 |
EmilienM | let's move to next topic then | 14:23 |
derekh | EmilienM: and if I hit any blockers I can't figure out I'll ping #tripleo | 14:23 |
EmilienM | ++ | 14:23 |
EmilienM | #topic Specs | 14:23 |
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EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open | 14:23 |
EmilienM | if you have a spec you want to discuss, please go ahead | 14:24 |
EmilienM | most of specs already had nice insights in gerrit | 14:25 |
EmilienM | if there is anything outstanding to discuss go ahead or we move to open discussion | 14:25 |
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EmilienM | #topic Open Discussion | 14:26 |
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EmilienM | (quite meeting today) | 14:27 |
dprince | So I've got one | 14:27 |
dprince | many of the developers have their own blogs | 14:27 |
dprince | but would it be useful to setup a "team" blog and tie it in as well? | 14:27 |
EmilienM | for tripleo posts? | 14:28 |
dprince | I was thinking of setting up a github pages blog (simple one) and we could host it under the github.com/tripleo account | 14:28 |
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marios | hey o/ am testing M..N upgrades using the current upgrades process... some rework needed in the 'start/stop all the things' logic we use tracked at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo/+spec/overcloud-upgrades-workflow-mitaka-to-newton currently testing. reviews welcome. would be nice to land sthing in N1 for the parent upgrades BP at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo/+spec/overclo | 14:28 |
marios | ud-upgrades | 14:29 |
dprince | yeah, for team posts, that we perhaps collaborate on. Or for individuals who are part of the team and want to blog but don't have their own. | 14:29 |
marios | dprince: +1 to reminder about writing _sthing_ (thinking about the recent experience doing the upgrades process 'for real') | 14:29 |
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EmilienM | marios: it's all on https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:fixup_upgrades_scripts,n,z ? | 14:30 |
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marios | EmilienM: for now... i also fixed the nova pinning etc today... see what else we find | 14:30 |
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marios | EmilienM: that is the purpose of the blueprint... track work needed to adapt the current workflow | 14:30 |
coolsvap | or we could just aggregate the tripleo related blogs (like we do for most planet) | 14:30 |
ccamacho | dprince "but don't have their own" +1 | 14:30 |
marios | EmilienM: see the whiteboard at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo/+spec/overcloud-upgrades-workflow-mitaka-to-newton | 14:31 |
coolsvap | i mean ghpages would need additional reviewing | 14:31 |
dprince | coolsvap: we would still aggregate them w/ planet. And also this would go into planet.openstack.org too | 14:31 |
dprince | coolsvap: it would just be a team blog in addition to any individual blogs | 14:31 |
EmilienM | marios: do we have plans to have a CI that test it? | 14:31 |
marios | EmilienM: good questino. matbu is looking at that i believe | 14:32 |
marios | EmilienM: and yes that is totally missing atm | 14:32 |
EmilienM | because, yeah, we can review it, but without manual testing it's blind review | 14:32 |
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coolsvap | dprince, I am +1 on it just thinking about options | 14:33 |
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dprince | marios: sorry, what were you reminding me for again? The 'overcloud execute' stuff? | 14:33 |
coolsvap | because any additional information on tripleo is useful | 14:33 |
marios | EmilienM: ack, let's take it up on the review. fwiw am testing it locally, which is how we landed these scripts originally (for liberty upgrades), because, we didn't have ci, same reason | 14:33 |
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EmilienM | right, I don't say we should block your patches because we have no CI for it | 14:34 |
EmilienM | I just ask if we have plans for it | 14:34 |
marios | dprince: ha, nothing, you reminded me about saying i'd write sthing about tripleo when you said you asked ppl to | 14:34 |
EmilienM | matbu: please let us know your plans, mailing-list for example | 14:35 |
marios | EmilienM: i think he just started looking | 14:35 |
marios | EmilienM: we have a tracking bug | 14:35 |
marios | sec | 14:35 |
marios | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1583125 | 14:35 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1583125 in tripleo "There is no 'major version' upgrades job for ci " [High,Triaged] - Assigned to mbu (mat-bultel) | 14:35 |
EmilienM | (we had a CI topic and it was not raised :-P) | 14:35 |
marios | sry :( | 14:35 |
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EmilienM | cool work | 14:36 |
EmilienM | #link Major upgrade work https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1583125 | 14:36 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1583125 in tripleo "There is no 'major version' upgrades job for ci " [High,Triaged] - Assigned to mbu (mat-bultel) | 14:36 |
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matbu | EmilienM: yep i'll try to figure out this part asap | 14:36 |
EmilienM | cool | 14:36 |
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matbu | EmilienM: i just discover the ci tripleo.sh script yesterday | 14:37 |
EmilienM | dprince: maybe we could use mailing-list to poll people who would be interested by blogging in a common place | 14:37 |
matbu | EmilienM: but afaik there is not much work there ... just hoping the upgrade will work | 14:37 |
dprince | EmilienM: yep, I'll ask there too | 14:37 |
EmilienM | do we have other thoughts for today? | 14:38 |
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EmilienM | dprince, gfidente: do you guys have something to mention about composable roles? | 14:39 |
dprince | not from me. Thanks EmilienM | 14:39 |
EmilienM | no blocker? progress is good? | 14:39 |
gfidente | EmilienM, we got swift proxy | 14:40 |
gfidente | I think we got to wire chains in cephstorage and compute nodes | 14:40 |
gfidente | so I'm getting back at the ceph roles | 14:40 |
EmilienM | good | 14:40 |
gfidente | slow progress | 14:40 |
dprince | EmilienM: oh, so we need to prototype a solution that works better to enable/disable things with Heat environments | 14:40 |
gfidente | but progress | 14:40 |
dprince | slow progress, largely due to CI I think | 14:40 |
EmilienM | dprince: let's fix nova, it should be better | 14:41 |
dprince | yep | 14:41 |
EmilienM | I'll keep meeting open 30 more seconds, if anything go ahead now | 14:41 |
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EmilienM | ok folks, have fun! /peace | 14:42 |
marios | EmilienM: ++ thanks | 14:42 |
EmilienM | #endmeeting | 14:42 |
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gfidente | dprince, better than None you mean? | 14:42 |
openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 31 14:42:26 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:42 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-05-31-14.00.html | 14:42 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-05-31-14.00.txt | 14:42 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-05-31-14.00.log.html | 14:42 |
matbu | EmilienM: thx | 14:42 |
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chem | /leave | 14:45 |
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matrohon | hi bgpvpn guys | 15:03 |
matrohon | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:03 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue May 31 15:03:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matrohon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:03 |
pcarver | hi | 15:04 |
matrohon | hi pcarver, tmorin, doude | 15:04 |
wdeclercq | hello | 15:04 |
matrohon | hi wdeclercq | 15:04 |
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matrohon | waiting few minutes to let tmorin join us | 15:06 |
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matrohon | ok let's go | 15:10 |
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matrohon | I made some cleanup on launchpad : | 15:10 |
matrohon | https://launchpad.net/bgpvpn | 15:11 |
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matrohon | #topic bugs | 15:11 |
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matrohon | I put a highest priority to bugs that are mandatory for us to stay in the neutron stadium | 15:12 |
matrohon | I also added one about OVO | 15:12 |
matrohon | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/1587511 | 15:13 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1587511 in bgpvpn "use OsloVersionObject to be able to upgrade with no interrupt" [High,Confirmed] | 15:13 |
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matrohon | I think OVO is the way for us to provide upgrades without stopping the neutron service | 15:13 |
matrohon | But I don't know OVO enough yet | 15:14 |
matrohon | But I think that's what armax want us to use to stay in the stadium | 15:14 |
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matrohon | armax can you confirm? ^ | 15:14 |
armax | matrohon: ovo is not currently one of the criteria | 15:15 |
armax | matrohon: until neutron alone adopts them across the board it would be premature to consider them one of the criteria | 15:16 |
matrohon | armax : wasn't what you had in mind when you said we should provide an acceptable path for upgrades? | 15:16 |
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armax | matrohon: there’s many upgrade paths | 15:17 |
armax | ovo are not strictly necessary for upgrades | 15:17 |
matrohon | armax : ok, the traditional alembic might be acceptable, with a service interruption of the neutron server? | 15:18 |
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armax | yes | 15:19 |
matrohon | armax : ok thanks | 15:19 |
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armax | matrohon: one must be able to demonstrade upgrade capabilities with one of the grenade jobs as neutron does today | 15:20 |
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matrohon | I also gave a highest priority to bugs about tempest tests and bugs about integrating the openstack CLI | 15:20 |
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matrohon | armax : ok, I'll create a bug that ask for a grenade job to run in our gate | 15:21 |
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tmorin | hi everyone | 15:24 |
matrohon | hi tmorin | 15:24 |
tmorin | did you start already ? | 15:24 |
matrohon | yep | 15:24 |
tmorin | topic is bugs | 15:25 |
matrohon | it is | 15:25 |
matrohon | can you scroll back? | 15:25 |
tmorin | I'll do it right now | 15:25 |
tmorin | you can carry on in the meantime | 15:25 |
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matrohon | no hurry :) | 15:26 |
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tmorin | nothing is logged after 15:14 UTC | 15:27 |
tmorin | what's been said in the last 13 minutes I can't read | 15:28 |
tmorin | were you still discussing OVO ? | 15:28 |
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matrohon | ovo is not mandatory, but we should run a grenade job in our gate at least | 15:28 |
tmorin | yes, this was my understanding | 15:28 |
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matrohon | I moved https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/1587511 this way | 15:29 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1587511 in bgpvpn "demonstrate ability to upgrade" [High,Confirmed] | 15:29 |
matrohon | ok next topic? | 15:29 |
tmorin | more bugs to talk about! | 15:30 |
tmorin | one is that our gate is broken because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/1587511 | 15:30 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1587511 in bgpvpn "demonstrate ability to upgrade" [High,Confirmed] | 15:30 |
tmorin | sorry, not this one | 15:30 |
tmorin | this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/1587359 | 15:30 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1587359 in neutron " oslo_config.cfg.NoSuchOptError: no such option in group DEFAULT: config_dirs" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Ihar Hrachyshka (ihar-hrachyshka) | 15:30 |
tmorin | a fix is in progress | 15:31 |
tmorin | not much to say about it | 15:31 |
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tmorin | but the discussion with ihrachys on it lead to ihrachys suggesting that we should update our tox.ini to apply upper constraints | 15:31 |
matrohon | ihrachys took the bug | 15:32 |
tmorin | to prevent uselessly-too-recent pip releases of our dependencies to introduce bugs | 15:32 |
tmorin | we need to do things like this: https://github.com/openstack/neutron-lbaas/blob/master/tox.ini#L10 | 15:33 |
matrohon | ok | 15:34 |
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matrohon | I also wanted to point out this rfe on the neutron side : | 15:35 |
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matrohon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322654/ | 15:35 |
tmorin | still on bugs: we have a fix applied to master, waiting for being merged into stable/mitaka (for bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-bagpipe/+bug/1582598 ) | 15:35 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1582598 in bgpvpn "Same cookie value for br-tun flows rules added by OVS agent and its bagpipe_bgpvpn extension" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Thomas Morin (tmmorin-orange) | 15:35 |
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tmorin | matrohon: yes, on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322654/ --> good if everyone can have a look at it | 15:36 |
matrohon | am I the only one who cannot open the .rst? | 15:36 |
matrohon | I get a gerrit error : service unavailable... | 15:36 |
wdeclercq | nah, me too. server unavailable | 15:37 |
matrohon | mickeys, around? | 15:37 |
tmorin | I can open https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322654/2/specs/newton/bgp-evpn-advertisement.rst without any issue | 15:37 |
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matrohon | ok.... | 15:38 |
tmorin | you can also read the spec here: http://docs-draft.openstack.org/54/322654/2/check/gate-neutron-specs-docs/e06688e//doc/build/html/ | 15:38 |
tmorin | well here: http://docs-draft.openstack.org/54/322654/2/check/gate-neutron-specs-docs/e06688e//doc/build/html/specs/newton/bgp-evpn-advertisement.html | 15:38 |
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wdeclercq | I could open it in another browser | 15:39 |
matrohon | I tried different browser, with no luck... | 15:39 |
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matrohon | I'll try to workaround that! | 15:39 |
matrohon | thanks tmorin for the links | 15:39 |
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matrohon | any other topics? | 15:40 |
wdeclercq | (I was getting ERR_BLOCKED_BY_CLIENT which is apparently often what you get with adblocks - turning mine off also fixed it in my 1st browser.) | 15:40 |
matrohon | wdeclercq, thanks | 15:41 |
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ihrachys | tmorin: it's independent thing | 15:41 |
ihrachys | tmorin: but you should do it nevertheless | 15:42 |
ihrachys | for your immediate issue, the following should land in neutron: https://review.openstack.org/323428 | 15:42 |
ihrachys | and I don't expect any change needed for bgpvpn on that one | 15:43 |
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matrohon | ihrachys, thanks! | 15:43 |
tmorin | ihrachys: yes, understood :) | 15:43 |
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matrohon | anything else for today? | 15:46 |
tmorin | yes | 15:46 |
tmorin | we have made some good progress on API evolution in the last week | 15:46 |
tmorin | most things are captured on the pad | 15:46 |
tmorin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/bgpvpn_advanced_features | 15:47 |
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tmorin | the more the merrier, so anyone is encouraged to read & discuss | 15:48 |
tmorin | pcarver: you may be interested, there are many things related to advanced use cases with l3vpns | 15:48 |
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tmorin | #topic horizon | 15:49 |
tmorin | short topic/announce | 15:49 |
pcarver | tmorin: I've looked at them and asked a couple of other folks to look at them. Might need to schedule an internal conference call to get out non-OpenStack-focused folks to give input. | 15:49 |
pcarver | s/out/our/ | 15:49 |
tmorin | pcarver: excellent ! feel free to reach out | 15:50 |
tmorin | #undo | 15:50 |
tmorin | pcarver: the earlier the better, or we'll end up with the API definiton done for Newton, but not time to implement any of the new things :) | 15:50 |
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tmorin | #topic horizon announce | 15:51 |
tmorin | we have a contribution in the pipe on horizon | 15:52 |
tmorin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322134 | 15:52 |
tmorin | this covers only the admin-side of horizon | 15:52 |
tmorin | but the tenant side will reuse a lot of this code | 15:53 |
tmorin | the work still needs some work, essentially to make sure the code is extensible enough for new types of associations or new attributes | 15:53 |
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tmorin | are we done for today ? | 15:54 |
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wdeclercq | tmorin. I asked if we (nuage) have public documentation available to link in the documentation of the driver. Answer is we don't :) So what we suggest is to link to our https://github.com/nuagenetworks/nuage-openstack-neutron/blob/master/devstack/README.rst - Which is a bit out of date atm. But we'll be adding a small bgpvpn section there. | 15:54 |
tmorin | ok, that's still good | 15:55 |
tmorin | can you push a gerrit change to add the link when the README is updated with this section ? | 15:55 |
wdeclercq | Yup, will do | 15:56 |
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tmorin | wdeclercq: perfect, then ! | 15:57 |
tmorin | anything else ? | 15:57 |
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tmorin | matrohon: closing ? | 15:58 |
matrohon | ok let's close this meeting | 15:58 |
matrohon | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
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tmorin | ok, thanks everyone ! | 15:58 |
openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 31 15:58:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
tmorin | bye | 15:58 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-05-31-15.03.html | 15:58 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-05-31-15.03.txt | 15:58 |
matrohon | bye | 15:58 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-05-31-15.03.log.html | 15:58 |
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hongbin | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue May 31 16:00:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:00 |
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hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-05-31_1600_UTC Today's agenda | 16:00 |
hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
strigazi | Spyros Trigazis | 16:00 |
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muralia | Murali Allada | 16:00 |
jvgrant | Jaycen Grant | 16:00 |
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dane_leblanc | o/ | 16:00 |
mkrai | Madhuri Kumari | 16:00 |
tango__ | Ton Ngo | 16:00 |
rpothier | Rob Pothier | 16:00 |
juggler | o/ | 16:00 |
adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:00 |
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Drago | o/ | 16:00 |
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hongbin | Thanks for joining the meeting strigazi muralia jvgrant dane_leblanc mkrai tango__ rpothier juggler adrian_otto Drago | 16:01 |
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hongbin | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
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hongbin | Any annoucement from our team member? | 16:02 |
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strigazi | minor one | 16:02 |
hongbin | strigazi: go ahead | 16:02 |
strigazi | There is some progress on adding magnum to rally. Soon will have gate tests on rally | 16:02 |
strigazi | an | 16:02 |
strigazi | and | 16:02 |
strigazi | we'll add to CERN's infra | 16:03 |
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tango__ | +1 | 16:03 |
hongbin | awesome | 16:03 |
strigazi | that's all | 16:03 |
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hongbin | Thanks strigazi | 16:03 |
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hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 16:03 |
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hongbin | None | 16:04 |
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hongbin | #topic Essential Blueprints Review | 16:04 |
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hongbin | 1. Support baremetal container clusters (strigazi) | 16:04 |
hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-baremetal-full-support | 16:04 |
strigazi | Yuanying is working on fixing the head templates | 16:04 |
strigazi | and I | 16:04 |
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strigazi | I'm investigating 1.1 Upgrade the Ironic image building elements to fedora 23 | 16:05 |
strigazi | not much on that for now | 16:05 |
hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320968/ | 16:05 |
strigazi | I'll find someone this week | 16:05 |
strigazi | that's all | 16:05 |
hongbin | strigazi: find someone for? | 16:05 |
strigazi | for 1.1 | 16:05 |
hongbin | Oh, I see | 16:06 |
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hongbin | Any question for strigazi ? | 16:06 |
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hongbin | strigazi: Thanks. Let me know if anything you need help for this BP | 16:07 |
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hongbin | 2. Magnum User Guide for Cloud Operator (tango) | 16:07 |
strigazi | hongbin: ack | 16:07 |
hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/user-guide | 16:07 |
tango__ | Not much update for last week since I was working on Rally plugins | 16:07 |
tango__ | I am working on the Kubernetes section | 16:07 |
tango__ | I should have the patch uploaded shortly | 16:08 |
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tango__ | that's all for now | 16:09 |
hongbin | tango__: Thanks Ton | 16:09 |
hongbin | any comment for this BP? | 16:09 |
hongbin | 3. COE Bay Drivers (jamie_h) | 16:09 |
hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/bay-drivers | 16:09 |
muralia | looks like we've addressed all comments. The spec has 2 +2's. Someone needs to merge it if there is nothing else to be addressed | 16:10 |
hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296384/ | 16:10 |
hongbin | Yes, it looks ready to go | 16:10 |
muralia | I have started implementation work. I'll update the WIP with the new changes and we'll take it from there. | 16:10 |
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muralia | Thats it for now | 16:11 |
tango__ | I just did the honor :) Thanks Murali and Jamie | 16:11 |
hongbin | Thanks muralia for addressing outstanding comments | 16:11 |
hongbin | Any comment for the bay driver BP? | 16:12 |
muralia | awesome. thanks tango | 16:12 |
hongbin | 4. Create a magnum installation guide (strigazi) | 16:12 |
hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-installation-guide | 16:12 |
strigazi | Please review: | 16:12 |
strigazi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319399/ | 16:13 |
hongbin | I tested the Ubuntu part. Will find a time to test the CentOS part | 16:13 |
strigazi | I'll add links to other install guides | 16:13 |
strigazi | for neutron/lbaas, I didn't find any good content | 16:14 |
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hongbin | .......... | 16:14 |
strigazi | This is road blocker IMO | 16:14 |
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tango__ | Yes, I need LBaaS | 16:14 |
strigazi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/HowToRun | 16:14 |
hongbin | strigazi: I will help you to talk to the lbaas team | 16:15 |
strigazi | But, to test our content you can do it against devstack | 16:15 |
hongbin | #action hongbin send a ML to lbaas team to ask for installation instruction | 16:15 |
tango__ | particularly for v1, since we don't have support for v2 yet | 16:15 |
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strigazi | I don't have something else | 16:16 |
hongbin | strigazi: FYI, we plan to decouple from lbaas | 16:16 |
strigazi | I know | 16:16 |
hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/decouple-lbaas | 16:17 |
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hongbin | ok | 16:17 |
hongbin | Any other comment for the installation guide? | 16:17 |
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hongbin | #topic Magnum UI Subteam Update (bradjones) | 16:18 |
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hongbin | bradjones: status? | 16:18 |
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hongbin | Brad mentioned that he will join this meeting, but didn't show up in roll call | 16:18 |
hongbin | I have a note from him | 16:19 |
hongbin | (Brad) Two new BPs that Shu has proposed | 16:19 |
hongbin | (Brad) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum-ui/+spec/generic-detail-framework | 16:19 |
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hongbin | (Brad) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum-ui/+spec/navigation-improvements | 16:19 |
hongbin | (Brad) Both of which will keep us in line with changes upstream in horizon. | 16:19 |
hongbin | That is all | 16:19 |
hongbin | Any comment? | 16:20 |
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hongbin | #topic Kuryr Integration Update (tango) | 16:20 |
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hongbin | tango__: any update from the Kuryr team? | 16:20 |
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tango__ | I talked to Mohammed to synch up on Kuryr | 16:20 |
tango__ | I am working with another colleague to build a working environment with Kuryr | 16:21 |
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tango__ | from there we will develop Magnum support through network-driver | 16:22 |
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tango__ | I plan to join the Kuryr meeting to follow the discussion | 16:22 |
hongbin | A question | 16:23 |
hongbin | Is anyone in Kuryr team working on this integration? | 16:23 |
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hongbin | tango__: ^^ | 16:24 |
tango__ | I think only in the sense of providing details to us | 16:24 |
tango__ | and helping to debug if necessary | 16:24 |
hongbin | OK | 16:24 |
tango__ | If we find gap, they will fill | 16:24 |
hongbin | What is the working items? | 16:25 |
hongbin | For example, what is the sub-tasks that need to be done? all in Magnum side? | 16:25 |
tango__ | They are also keen on adding support for storage, so they are relying on us to drive, at least in the beginning | 16:25 |
tango__ | For us: | 16:25 |
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tango__ | 1. Build a working environment with Swarm and Kuryr as driver | 16:26 |
tango__ | 2. Add template and scripts to automate | 16:26 |
tango__ | 3. Solve the Neutron credential issue | 16:27 |
tango__ | 4. Functional tests | 16:27 |
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tango__ | 5. Update docs | 16:27 |
hongbin | Get it | 16:27 |
hongbin | From Kuryr, is anything that is ready? | 16:28 |
tango__ | It should be all ready for Swarm | 16:28 |
hongbin | OK | 16:28 |
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hongbin | tango__: anything you need help from the team? | 16:29 |
tango__ | We just need to validate it independently | 16:29 |
hongbin | But strange, I just saw they uploaded the spec | 16:29 |
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hongbin | They doesn't seem to have implementation yet | 16:29 |
tango__ | If this is interesting to anyone, please jump in | 16:29 |
hongbin | OK. Thanks tango__ | 16:30 |
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hongbin | #topic Other blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas | 16:31 |
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hongbin | 1. Manually manage bay nodes | 16:31 |
hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/manually-manage-bay-nodes the BP | 16:31 |
hongbin | I would pause a few minutes for everyone to review the BP | 16:32 |
hongbin | If everything is fine, I will approve it | 16:32 |
hongbin | The idea has been discussed in the design summit and ML | 16:32 |
hongbin | It looks we agree to explore this direction | 16:32 |
hongbin | So, I drafted a BP for that | 16:33 |
hongbin | Any concern for this? | 16:33 |
adrian_otto | uuh | 16:33 |
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adrian_otto | what's driving this? | 16:34 |
hongbin | ?? | 16:34 |
adrian_otto | mulit-AZ, or something more? | 16:34 |
hongbin | yes, and multiple favors | 16:34 |
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tango__ | How about mixing VM and baremetal? | 16:34 |
hongbin | tango__: ......... it is hard | 16:35 |
hongbin | tango__: However, it is possible in theory | 16:35 |
adrian_otto | I think we should be really careful here not to become an orchestration system | 16:35 |
hongbin | adrian_otto: could you elaborate? | 16:36 |
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adrian_otto | if resource groups are not the right instrument to get a multi-AZ deployment, then we should be focusing on what features are missing from the orchestration system, and asking how we can get them. | 16:36 |
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rochaporto | +1 | 16:36 |
adrian_otto | this blueprint strikes me as a workaround for a missing Heat feature | 16:37 |
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adrian_otto | maybe I'm missing something, but that's what it looks like | 16:37 |
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hongbin | not sure if it is a good idea to push it to Heat | 16:39 |
adrian_otto | if there are things that are Magnum specific, then we should implement that in custom template logic and not look back | 16:39 |
hongbin | It is about deployment vs runtime | 16:39 |
tango__ | There was some discussion on multi-AZ support in Heat | 16:39 |
kebray | hongbin, I think you can likely do what you want from that blueprint in Heat today. Have you talked to the Heat folks or considered nested stacks which might allow for nested resources groups? | 16:39 |
adrian_otto | but if we are talking about something fundamental that easily applies to any resource in a cloud, then I'd like to understand why the feature is not in Heat | 16:40 |
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hongbin | My poinion, Heat template is good for statically deployment, but hard to express runtime management logic | 16:41 |
rochaporto | the AZ blueprint has a link on how to do it using heat today | 16:41 |
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hongbin | By decoupleing from resourcegroup, we have flexibility at runtime | 16:41 |
hongbin | For example, kill a node, swap a node, add a node | 16:41 |
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adrian_otto | Resource groups already allow you to selectively kill a node by id | 16:42 |
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adrian_otto | so you can use that to implement swap | 16:42 |
hongbin | OK, that is true | 16:42 |
adrian_otto | and you can add a node by increasing the parameter for the group indicating its size | 16:42 |
hongbin | Yes, but it is hard to express the hetergenerity of nodes | 16:43 |
adrian_otto | heterogeneous groups are an idea that really worries me. | 16:43 |
hongbin | why? | 16:43 |
kebray | pets bad, cattle good. | 16:43 |
adrian_otto | because it lends to uneven staling and bad HA behaviour | 16:44 |
adrian_otto | exactly. | 16:44 |
adrian_otto | s/staling/scaling/ | 16:44 |
hongbin | Well, I won't argue it is good or not, but we have reported use cases for that | 16:44 |
adrian_otto | if a node in our cluster needs to have a name, then we have a design problem. | 16:44 |
rochaporto | adrian_otto: you could want a single cluster with a couple ssd nodes while the larger set is non ssd | 16:45 |
adrian_otto | if we think in terms of individual nodes, that's problematic. | 16:45 |
rochaporto | this could be a use case... but i think we can express this today in heat | 16:45 |
adrian_otto | rochaporto: you can do that my creating multiple bays. Keep it simple. | 16:45 |
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rochaporto | that's one way... but i would split my cluster description between my db (on ssds) and the rest | 16:47 |
hongbin | OK. maybe push the discussion to ML | 16:47 |
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hongbin | I knew Sahara is manually manage individual Heat temaplates, instead of nesting them all in a single big templates | 16:48 |
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hongbin | A single big template is problematic in update | 16:48 |
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rochaporto | hongbin: one stack per node sounds very very odd | 16:48 |
rochaporto | pretty sure we can do all with heat as it is today | 16:49 |
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adrian_otto | yeah, it seems really awkward | 16:49 |
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adrian_otto | I can see a template per group, but per node seems really strange. | 16:49 |
hongbin | Template is per group | 16:49 |
hongbin | For example, master -> a master template | 16:49 |
hongbin | minion -> a minion template | 16:50 |
adrian_otto | the BP says "manually create Heat stack for each bay nodes" | 16:50 |
adrian_otto | if you meant per group, then the above text is really tripping me. | 16:50 |
hongbin | Oh, I can clarify it furhter | 16:50 |
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hongbin | Currently, we use a global template to manage the master/minion templates | 16:51 |
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rochaporto | it says 2 masters + 3 minions == 6 stacks | 16:51 |
hongbin | The proposed idea is just split it | 16:51 |
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hongbin | rochaporto: Yes | 16:51 |
hongbin | So, the idea is to let ResourceGroup to manage it, or manually manage it | 16:52 |
hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 16:52 |
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hongbin | Again, we can push the discussion back to ML | 16:53 |
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hongbin | I think it is a good practice to keep the depth of template as low as possible | 16:54 |
hongbin | Otherwise, it is very hard to update a stack | 16:54 |
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hongbin | If we change a parameter, it might cause replacements of multiple Heat resources | 16:55 |
hongbin | my 2 cents | 16:55 |
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hongbin | If nothing else to discuss, let's wrap up earlier | 16:57 |
kebray | hongbin, isn't a major selling point of containers is that when you need to change something you just redeploy to get to new state? why is so imporant to modify infrastructure and treat it as a forever lived resource and have diversified infra in a bay? | 16:57 |
kebray | anyway, happy to take to ML | 16:57 |
hongbin | kebray: yes, I will reply in the ML | 16:58 |
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hongbin | All, thanks for joining the meeting | 16:59 |
hongbin | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 31 16:59:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-05-31-16.00.html | 16:59 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-05-31-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-05-31-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue May 31 17:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
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ativelkov | o/ | 17:00 |
oshykhkerimov | o/ | 17:00 |
StanLagun | o/ | 17:00 |
zhurong | 0/ | 17:00 |
kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:00 |
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freerunner | \o/ | 17:00 |
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tlashchova_ | o/ | 17:01 |
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vakovalchuk | о/ | 17:02 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #topic Action Items Review | 17:02 |
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kzaitsev_mb | we've only had 1 | 17:02 |
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kzaitsev_mb | update the wiki to mention new CPLs | 17:02 |
kzaitsev_mb | and I think we did that ) | 17:02 |
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kzaitsev_mb | vakovalchuk and I have also backported almost everything we had mentioned in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-stable-backports to stable mitaka, (I think I only have 2 patches to add, that didn't cherry-pick cleanly) | 17:05 |
kzaitsev_mb | So as soon as we get the CI fixed — I'm going to ping around the stable core team to get those merged =) | 17:05 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev_mb ping stable reviewers to review the backports | 17:06 |
kzaitsev_mb | ok, We only have a single topic for today and it's mostly informational | 17:06 |
kzaitsev_mb | #topic Mentors needed in specific technical areas | 17:07 |
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Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: I suppose that we forget about this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320401/ | 17:07 |
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kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St: let's add it to the list for the next week | 17:09 |
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vakovalchuk | why do you think that we forget it? it was in the list | 17:10 |
Nikolay_St | vakovalchuk: I make a backport before kzaitsev_mb create a list | 17:10 |
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kzaitsev_mb | vakovalchuk: right you are! =) | 17:12 |
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kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St: no we didn't forget it — the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/1570962 is on the list ) | 17:12 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1570962 in Murano mitaka "Murano doesn't detect pre-installed murano-agent on the debian image" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Nikolay Starodubtsev (starodubcevna) | 17:12 |
kzaitsev_mb | I had to double check ) | 17:12 |
kzaitsev_mb | ok, so back to the actual topic | 17:13 |
Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: ok :) my bad | 17:13 |
kzaitsev_mb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/095667.html | 17:14 |
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kzaitsev_mb | here's the mail WoOS folks sent a week or so ago | 17:14 |
Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: I read it | 17:15 |
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kzaitsev_mb | it specifically mentions murano as a field where mentors are needed ) | 17:15 |
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kzaitsev_mb | They ask for about 4 hours a month for mentorship activities =) | 17:16 |
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kzaitsev_mb | so if any of you folks would like to participate — I urge you to do so =) it can be fun and rewarding =) | 17:16 |
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kzaitsev_mb | ok, basically that's all I had to say for the topic, at least I myself should go pay them a visit =) | 17:18 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #link https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/mentoring | 17:20 |
kzaitsev_mb | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZJz0oX_V944o84xe-l67zvy2kf1RyCzpudU2fTlDOA/edit | 17:20 |
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Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: where I can fill the form?) | 17:20 |
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kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St: the links above ^^ =) | 17:21 |
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Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: ok | 17:22 |
kzaitsev_mb | no pressure to do that if you don't want to, that's for volounteers after all =) | 17:22 |
kzaitsev_mb | #topic Open Discussion | 17:22 |
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kzaitsev_mb | We're still experienceing Ci problems right now. =/ At first we thought that it was horizon-devstack bug, but apparently it's something else | 17:23 |
kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321640/ | 17:23 |
kzaitsev_mb | this one got merged today and unlocked horizons dsvm (and potentially should have unlocked us, but it didn't) | 17:23 |
kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St and I are looking into the problem right now | 17:24 |
kzaitsev_mb | our current suspect is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312238/ | 17:24 |
kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312238/ | 17:24 |
zhurong | kzaitsev_mb yes, horizon can not work normally with devstack install | 17:25 |
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kzaitsev_mb | probably we need to accomodate our CI scripts in murano-deployment to make set correct keystone url | 17:25 |
kzaitsev_mb | I think we're close already ) | 17:25 |
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Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: sure | 17:25 |
Nikolay_St | I've created a patch and run a job against it | 17:25 |
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kzaitsev_mb | Among other news — I think we should mention letter by Sergey Kraynev about the future of the murano-apps repo | 17:28 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/096268.html | 17:29 |
kzaitsev_mb | please folks have a look and see if you're ok with this direction | 17:29 |
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kzaitsev_mb | we've discussed this internally with Sergey and I don't have objections to the plan, but I would also like to be sure, that the rest of the team is ok/on the same page | 17:30 |
Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: +1 | 17:30 |
kzaitsev_mb | ativelkov: StanLagun: you guys especially =) | 17:30 |
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StanLagun | I think it is the right direction | 17:31 |
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StanLagun | But the repo murano-apps should remain ours | 17:31 |
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kzaitsev_mb | StanLagun: the idea is to leave murano-core team as part of the murano-app-core | 17:32 |
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kzaitsev_mb | and split large applications into separate repos | 17:33 |
kzaitsev_mb | infra folks seem to be ok with allowing us have separate repos | 17:33 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/096271.html | 17:33 |
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kzaitsev_mb | I think that's all I had for today. | 17:35 |
StanLagun | i believe that murano-apps should contain only small apps that demonstrate murano capabilities. Everything else should be somewhere else under someone else responsibility in the long term | 17:36 |
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kzaitsev_mb | StanLagun: that indeed is a the goal of the whole initiative | 17:36 |
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kzaitsev_mb | seems that we're out of topics to discuss — I'm going to wait 5 mins more and end the meeting a bit early. | 17:43 |
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kzaitsev_mb | thanks everyone for attending =) | 17:48 |
kzaitsev_mb | #endmeeting | 17:48 |
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catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue May 31 19:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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catherineD | Roll call | 19:00 |
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pvaneck | o/ | 19:01 |
andrey-mp | o/ | 19:01 |
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catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-05-31 | 19:02 |
catherineD | Let's start | 19:02 |
catherineD | #topic Add preliminary support for schema version 1.5 ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319057/ ) | 19:02 |
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catherineD | So for this time we will just update the website by creating tag while we deciding on refstack branching | 19:03 |
catherineD | I will create a tag today | 19:03 |
sslypushenko | o/ | 19:04 |
catherineD | sslypushenko: Hi | 19:04 |
catherineD | Meeting agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-05-31 | 19:04 |
sslypushenko | Thx! | 19:05 |
catherineD | while we are on this topic let's discuss topic #5 | 19:05 |
catherineD | #topic RefStack branches decision for refstack.openstack.org site | 19:05 |
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catherineD | As we discussed last time, we want to investigate how other OpenStack website uses branches | 19:06 |
sslypushenko | we need some branching model.. it is pretty clear | 19:06 |
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catherineD | seems like OpenStack document is hosting from master | 19:07 |
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catherineD | #link OpenStack document published only from the master branch http://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/docs-builds.html https://github.com/openstack/openstack-doc-tools ) | 19:07 |
hogepodge | Most projects don't branch | 19:07 |
sslypushenko | mainly it is because we have some functionality, witch, for example app-catalog does not have | 19:07 |
catherineD | so are App-catalog and Storyboard | 19:07 |
sslypushenko | it is really strange that storyboard publishes from aster | 19:08 |
sslypushenko | *master | 19:08 |
catherineD | sslypushenko: ++ ... especially the UI ... we do not want to publish the UI prematurely | 19:08 |
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sslypushenko | yeap.... | 19:10 |
catherineD | so our UI code (like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318997/ ) will merge to refstack master but we may not want to expose that to the user yet | 19:10 |
sslypushenko | it should be possible to develop big features without publishing it | 19:10 |
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catherineD | sslypushenko: yea and at the same time support publishing small update like supporing new DefCore schema to the website | 19:11 |
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sslypushenko | so, we need branches definately | 19:11 |
hogepodge | I'd like to see a focus on core features without a distraction on side features | 19:11 |
hogepodge | Otherwise it's a glorified fork | 19:12 |
catherineD | hogepodge: it is the core feature to create vendor | 19:12 |
sslypushenko | hogepodge: anyway, it should be possible to deliver feature in a few patches, not in one god-like-patch | 19:12 |
catherineD | the other options is to cherry pick patches ... but I see that would be harder | 19:13 |
sslypushenko | catherineD: yeap | 19:13 |
andrey-mp | sslypushenko: we can develop in branches and merge features to master. antoher model will not be suitable due publishing from master | 19:13 |
catherineD | offering vendor and product creation is the main feature we are discussing ... | 19:14 |
sslypushenko | andrey-mp: this workflow is not usual for openstack projects... | 19:14 |
andrey-mp | sslypushenko: yes :) | 19:15 |
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sslypushenko | I think we can setup puppet-refstack to publish latest commit from latest non-master branch | 19:16 |
catherineD | sslypushenko: so we create a production branch? | 19:16 |
pvaneck | feature branches seem to be relatively in use in the community: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/drivers.html#feature-branches | 19:16 |
sslypushenko | some think like we will publish branch with name 2016.06 - and it will be published automatically | 19:16 |
andrey-mp | sslypushenko: right now it takes latest tag as I remember | 19:17 |
sslypushenko | catherineD: it looks like production branch is not aslo the best solution | 19:17 |
sslypushenko | andrey-mp: yeap... it should work like tags | 19:17 |
hogepodge | I guarantee the branches will drift and this will be a huge headache, especially as non core work is developed on branches | 19:18 |
sslypushenko | but we can cherrypick some commits into it, if necessary | 19:18 |
sslypushenko | hogepodge: non-cores will work with master | 19:18 |
sslypushenko | so it should not be a problemm | 19:18 |
catherineD | so we will develop new features in a branch ? | 19:19 |
sslypushenko | we need branches only for delivering | 19:19 |
sslypushenko | catherineD: nope... | 19:19 |
catherineD | sslypushenko: could you please describe .. | 19:20 |
hogepodge | Ok, for manging deployed should be OK | 19:20 |
sslypushenko | I suggest to work branches like advance tag | 19:20 |
hogepodge | Just watch out for scope creep | 19:20 |
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catherineD | sslypushenko: create tag by cherry picking? | 19:20 |
sslypushenko | at some checkpoint we create a branch with consistent functionality | 19:20 |
hogepodge | Feature branches will cause heartache | 19:20 |
sslypushenko | for example 2016.05 | 19:20 |
sslypushenko | hogepodge: +1 | 19:21 |
catherineD | sslypushenko: I follow you ... so we create a brach 2016.05 ... what is next ? | 19:21 |
sslypushenko | catherineD: so we will publish 2016.05 version of refstack | 19:21 |
sslypushenko | than we can continue develop in master | 19:21 |
hogepodge | Thanks for clarifying for me | 19:22 |
sslypushenko | if it is necessary, we can cherrypick something in to 2016.05 | 19:22 |
sslypushenko | but we still work only with master | 19:22 |
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sslypushenko | when we need publish new version of web site | 19:22 |
sslypushenko | ww will create branch 2016.09 | 19:23 |
pvaneck | why not just one branch "prod" or something, then just merge master into it occasionally | 19:23 |
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sslypushenko | and puppet will publish the newer version | 19:23 |
catherineD | pvaneck: I like the idea of prod branch | 19:23 |
sslypushenko | pvaneck: it will take to much for support | 19:23 |
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catherineD | The only thing I see that may need update for the product is schema update | 19:24 |
pvaneck | when we create a new branch, do we delete the previous? | 19:25 |
sslypushenko | not all patches can be applyed in random order | 19:25 |
sslypushenko | pvaneck: we can delete it, yeap | 19:25 |
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catherineD | pvaneck: is schema update can be isolated? | 19:25 |
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pvaneck | can you elaborate what you are talking about | 19:26 |
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catherineD | let say DefCore update their Guideline schema to a new version which include new JSON element ... do you need to update the js? | 19:27 |
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catherineD | the same js that you had updated to support vendor and product? I just want to see whether cherry picking is possible | 19:28 |
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pvaneck | depends on the change, but if it is just a new field, then no. It'll just be ignored until we support it | 19:28 |
sslypushenko | pvaneck: hmmm, I just realized that my idea sounds pretty close to idea with prod brach) but there is one difference. when we publish new branch, we still have a chance to rollback to old version. in case with prod branch it will be somewhat difficult | 19:28 |
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pvaneck | sslypushenko: yea, true. In any case, to be able to push merges we'd have to add a new gerrit acl line into project config to allow us to pushMerge | 19:30 |
catherineD | the only thing I see we may need to update the site is DefCore schema update | 19:30 |
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pvaneck | catherineD, branches will allow us to cherrypick changes easily | 19:31 |
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sslypushenko | pvaneck: hmm.. can you specify details? | 19:31 |
catherineD | pvaneck: only if what we pick are isolated files? | 19:31 |
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pvaneck | sslypushenko, described here: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/drivers.html#merge-commits In this case, they are talking about merging master into a feature branch or vice versa | 19:32 |
pvaneck | catherineD, cherry-picks are based on commits/changes | 19:33 |
pvaneck | we make the change to master, then cherry pick that into the branch the site is running off of | 19:33 |
sslypushenko | hmm... I don't see why we need pushMerge... we need only cherrypick and creating new branches | 19:33 |
pvaneck | yea, if we go the branch as a tag route | 19:34 |
pvaneck | i'll have to explore to see how i can get puppet to get the latest non-master branch | 19:34 |
catherineD | if the commit that we pick involves file that have been updated for other purposes ... I guess that will result in merge conflict | 19:34 |
sslypushenko | catherineD: yeap... support extra branches always takes some extra effors. it is true | 19:35 |
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sslypushenko | but I hope that only minor changes need to be cherrypicked.... like schema adjustments or description updates | 19:36 |
catherineD | sslypushenko: yea | 19:36 |
catherineD | seems like we lean on creating feature branches for production ... | 19:37 |
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pvaneck | wouldnt call it a feature branch | 19:37 |
catherineD | pvaneck: prod branch? | 19:38 |
hogepodge | It's more like release branches | 19:38 |
pvaneck | yea, pretty much | 19:38 |
catherineD | pvaneck: will investigate how to update the site with non-master branch | 19:39 |
sslypushenko | hogepodge: exactly, but without pinning to OpenStack releases | 19:39 |
hogepodge | sslypushenko: +1 yeah, it is definitely not the same | 19:40 |
catherineD | seems like we all agree on release branches | 19:40 |
andrey-mp | catherineD: pvaneck: site is upgraded from latest tag as i remember ... | 19:41 |
catherineD | just need to invetigate how to update the refstack site from release branches automatically like we do with tag today | 19:41 |
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catherineD | andrey-mp: yes it is from latest tag | 19:41 |
pvaneck | andrey-mp, yea, a puppet change will be needed | 19:41 |
andrey-mp | why you don't want to stay with tags? | 19:41 |
catherineD | andrey-mp: can we create tag with cherrypick? | 19:41 |
andrey-mp | no | 19:41 |
andrey-mp | tag is like a branch - tag is a link to specific commit | 19:42 |
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andrey-mp | and branch is too | 19:42 |
catherineD | andrey-mp: but with branch we can cherrypick commit to it | 19:42 |
sslypushenko | andrey-mp: we need tags with cherrypick... so we need branches | 19:43 |
andrey-mp | catherineD: its a git - when you commit to branch, git makes new commit and moves branch onto. with tag you'll need to do it manually | 19:43 |
andrey-mp | you can move tags also | 19:43 |
andrey-mp | or create minor version tags | 19:44 |
andrey-mp | 1.0.0 -> 1.0.1 -> 1.0.2 | 19:44 |
sslypushenko | andrey-mp: it will not work... to create a minor tag on each minor change | 19:44 |
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andrey-mp | while master has new commits without tags | 19:44 |
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andrey-mp | sslypushenko: it will work but its too boring ) | 19:45 |
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catherineD | andrey-mp: I don't mind investigate if it works | 19:45 |
andrey-mp | with release branches we will drop tags model ) | 19:45 |
sslypushenko | I can not understand how it will work... | 19:45 |
catherineD | then less work for puppet update .. | 19:46 |
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andrey-mp | catherineD: I do the same for our another git repositories | 19:46 |
sslypushenko | if we have only master branch, it means that we have only single chain of commits | 19:47 |
andrey-mp | but its not clear when tag moves | 19:47 |
catherineD | The discussion here is do we keep tag (that can cherrypick) --> this is the preferred method | 19:47 |
sslypushenko | but we want to have different chain for publishing | 19:47 |
andrey-mp | sslypushenko: you're right - we need release branches anyway | 19:47 |
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andrey-mp | but we can make releases by tags - not by every commit in release branch | 19:48 |
catherineD | sslypushenko: the publishing in the branches will be for both branches and master ... but not all commits in the master should go to the branch | 19:48 |
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andrey-mp | (like Nova, Cinder, ... and some other Openstack components) | 19:48 |
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catherineD | andrey-mp: so you mean we create a release branch and then create tag from the branch | 19:49 |
sslypushenko | ok... | 19:49 |
andrey-mp | catherineD: do you know how branches and releases work in Nova (for example) ? | 19:49 |
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catherineD | andrey-mp: no I don't | 19:49 |
sslypushenko | it looks like everyone got the final idea... we need standard release workflow just without pinning to OpenStack releases | 19:50 |
andrey-mp | catherineD: yeah. but not 'from'. tag is a link on specific commit - you can create (and recreate) it everywhere | 19:50 |
rockyg | o/ | 19:50 |
sslypushenko | it should be pretty simple to do and support | 19:50 |
pvaneck | I will epxlore what changes puppet-refstack will need | 19:50 |
andrey-mp | sslypushenko: +1 | 19:51 |
andrey-mp | sslypushenko: but Openstack can release update for previous version - we don't need it | 19:51 |
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catherineD | so we agree that refstack site will be published from tag created from a release branch? | 19:51 |
andrey-mp | catherineD: from latest tag (as now) | 19:52 |
andrey-mp | because we can have many tags/branches | 19:52 |
catherineD | today the tag is created from master branch | 19:52 |
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sslypushenko | catherineD: we can create tags on release branches... but I think that only publish the latest commit will also work | 19:52 |
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andrey-mp | release tags are need (and can be created) if we need to fix something in current version but master is not stable now | 19:53 |
catherineD | I am not clear on what we agree here | 19:54 |
sslypushenko | ok... lets stick to tag approach | 19:54 |
sslypushenko | it looks a little bit flexible | 19:54 |
andrey-mp | so release tag is created on commit with latest tag. then we merge something to this branch. then we tag new commit with new tag. | 19:54 |
sslypushenko | I mean tag from release branch | 19:54 |
andrey-mp | and cherry-pick this commit to master | 19:54 |
andrey-mp | when master will be stable - we tag it with higher major version | 19:55 |
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sslypushenko | andrey-mp: yeap | 19:55 |
catherineD | Let's Paul did some investigation on the puppet ans we will revisit this topic next week | 19:55 |
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pvaneck | puppet pulls from pypi, will non-master tags be released on pypi? | 19:56 |
catherineD | meanwhile we will create a tag to update the site to support DefCore schema version 1.5 | 19:56 |
andrey-mp | pvaneck: all tags are released on pypi | 19:56 |
andrey-mp | but pypi hides lower versions | 19:57 |
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catherineD | andrey-mp: can you explain lower version? | 19:58 |
andrey-mp | if you release version 1.0.1 then pypi will hide 1.0.0 version | 19:58 |
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catherineD | ok | 19:59 |
catherineD | thx | 19:59 |
catherineD | I need to end meeting | 19:59 |
andrey-mp | but if you want - you can go to the pypi and unhide all versions ) | 19:59 |
catherineD | andrey-mp: can I talk to you on #refstack on the product API tag | 19:59 |
andrey-mp | yeah | 20:00 |
andrey-mp | i'm there | 20:00 |
catherineD | tag --> patch | 20:00 |
catherineD | thank you all | 20:00 |
catherineD | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-05-31-19.00.html | 20:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-05-31-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-05-31-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
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