Tuesday, 2016-05-31

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samPToday's PWG regional meeting is skipped and will be at 7th Jun. Pls see the Ken's mail in product-wg@lists.openstack.org02:05
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moshelehi13:00
gjayaveluhi13:00
mosheleanyone for SR-IOV meeting?13:00
lbeliveauhi13:00
moshele#startmeeting sriov13:00
openstackMeeting started Tue May 31 13:00:51 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is moshele. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'sriov'13:00
moshelehi13:01
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lennybhi moshele13:01
mosheleI will skip the SR-IOV/PCI Passthrough CI as we don't have any update13:01
moshelealso the Documentation13:02
moshele#topic bug fixes13:02
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mosheleso dansmith review the patches13:02
lbeliveaudid jay review them ?13:03
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mosheleand he gave +1 to the resize patch but he want jaypipes to +2 first so I need to talk to him13:03
moshelelbeliveau: I will talk to him after the meeting13:03
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lbeliveaumoshele: cool13:03
moshelelbeliveau: any update on the migration patch?13:04
lbeliveauI'm going to work on it today, well it works as it is with the resize patch, but I want to eliminate passing the pci_request_id to the neutron port13:04
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mosheleyes so once you pushed it I will make it depend on the resize patch at test it as well13:05
lbeliveauok, I'll ping you a bit later today13:05
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mosheleanything else on bugs?13:06
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lbeliveaunot for me13:06
gjayaveluis there a query used for pci bugs?13:06
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mosheleI think you can look for bug with pci tag13:06
gjayaveluok13:06
moshele#topic Spec for review13:07
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mosheleso I review the vmware SR-IOV spec. I think it looks good13:08
gjayaveluthanks moshele13:08
lbeliveauhaven't look at the lateset version you posted today13:08
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mosheleI want to push this spec User-controlled SR-IOV ports allocation  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182242/13:09
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mosheleso It was started by Roman Bogorodskiy and I asked him to take over it13:09
lbeliveauI'll have a look13:10
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mosheleyes so the current spec it not my idea13:10
mosheleI want to use the neutron resource tagging to be able to tag ports13:10
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mosheleand also add in the pci_whitelist the ability  to tag them in to group so you can choose VFs from different PF13:12
mosheleI will work on something by this next week I hope13:12
moshelelbeliveau: is User-controlled SR-IOV ports allocation use case interest you?13:13
lbeliveaumaybe, I need to have a closer look13:13
moshelesame for ^ gjayavelu13:13
lbeliveaulet me review it today13:13
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gjayavelusure, i'll review today13:13
mosheleanything else on specs ?13:14
gjayavelualso, isn't the non-priority spec freeze this week?13:14
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moshelegjayavelu: I guess, but I am targeting to the next release : )13:15
gjayaveluok :)13:15
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mosheleI will be glad if we can push resize and migration fixes in this release13:15
lbeliveaume too !13:15
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moshelegjayavelu: regarding to you vmware for SR-IOV maybe you should raise it in the nova meeting if you want it approved in this release13:16
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gjayavelumoshele: will do.13:17
mosheleanything else?13:17
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lbeliveaugood with me13:18
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mosheleso I guess we can end the meeting right?13:18
gjayavelui'm good too. thanks13:18
lbeliveaulet me know how it goes with jay13:18
moshelesure13:19
moshele#endmeeting13:19
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lbeliveaubye guys13:19
jaypipeslbeliveau, moshele: hey, what's up?13:19
moshelejaypipes: hi13:19
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lbeliveaujaypipes: hello13:20
moshelejaypipes: can you review the resize patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307124/13:20
moshelejaypipes: dansmith gave it +1 which was last in rebase, but he want you to +2 it first13:20
jaypipesmoshele: k, gimme a few13:21
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moshelejaypipes: also Intel PCI CI is passing on resize see http://52.27.155.124/pci/307124/19/testr_experimental_result.html.gz13:21
moshelejaypipes: and me and lbeliveau test it manually as well13:22
moshelejaypipes: thanks13:22
lbeliveaujaypipes: once this is merged, we are going to push a fix for cold migration13:23
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jaypipesdanpb, moshele, lbeliveau: I got a question from someone internal at Mirantis about whether live migration of SR-IOV vnics would be possible. I didn't know the answer... do you guys know anything about that?13:29
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moshelejaypipes: In the future I saw some patches in qemu to support that, but I don't think it is upstream yet13:33
lbeliveaujaypipes: afaik it's currently not possible, I think it is only possible with macvtap at the moment13:36
lbeliveaujaypipes: I'll have a look as to why it's not supported13:37
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EmilienM#startmeeting tripleo14:00
openstackMeeting started Tue May 31 14:00:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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EmilienM#topic rollcall14:00
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EmilienMhey folks14:00
coolsvapHello14:00
derekh\o14:00
sshnaidmhi14:00
marioso/14:00
gfidentehello14:01
d0ugalHi all!14:01
EmilienM#topic agenda14:01
beagleso/14:01
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EmilienM#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TripleO14:01
EmilienM* two off agenda items14:01
EmilienM* bugs14:01
EmilienM* Projects releases or stable backports14:01
EmilienM* CI14:01
EmilienM* specs14:01
EmilienM* open discussion14:01
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EmilienM(I just realized I created an item that is part of a topic)14:02
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EmilienMso we have one off agenda item14:02
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EmilienMbeagles: o/14:02
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EmilienM#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-bug-cleanup-201614:02
EmilienMyou wanted to chat about it?14:02
rbradyo/14:02
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woodster_o/14:02
rhalliseyhi14:02
sshnaidmEmilienM, unfortunately I can't edit wiki and add there issues, because of security policy of wiki, maybe it's better to use a etherpad for this?14:03
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beaglesmore of a status really14:03
EmilienMbeagles: sure, go ahead14:03
EmilienMsshnaidm: that's unfortunate :(14:04
beaglesI've been digging through the bugs  starting at the oldest first and working my way forward14:04
beaglessome of them are probably having more learned eyes go over, but aren't a high priority afaict14:04
jtomaseko/14:04
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beaglesI just wanted to bring it up in this meeting along with the link in the agenda that if anyone is curious, go have a look and offer thoughts, guidance, correction etc14:05
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beaglesthat is all really14:05
trowno/14:05
EmilienMbeagles: ok cool14:05
EmilienM#topic bugs14:06
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EmilienM#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/14:06
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dprincehi everyone14:06
* dprince is late14:06
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EmilienMdo we have outstanding bugs this week?14:06
sshnaidmI filed yesterday: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/158690614:07
openstackLaunchpad bug 1586906 in tripleo "CI: periodic jobs fail becasue "no stack found"" [Undecided,New]14:07
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slaglejust wanted to mention https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1585641, which is still causing many CI jobs to fail14:07
openstackLaunchpad bug 1585641 in tripleo "CI: jobs failing with Message: No valid host was found. There are not enough hosts available., Code: 500"" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to James Slagle (james-slagle)14:07
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EmilienMslagle: right, we still have this one14:07
slaglewe are still waiting on the fix in nova to land14:07
dprinceyeah, still seeing lots of those myself too14:07
EmilienM:( sigh14:07
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EmilienMwe need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316031/14:08
EmilienMiirc14:08
EmilienMsomeone is looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1586906 already?14:09
openstackLaunchpad bug 1586906 in tripleo "CI: periodic jobs fail becasue "no stack found"" [Undecided,New]14:09
dprinceif there is a patch we know fixes it (or think it does) we could cherry pick it14:09
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dprincethat would mean building a custom Nova patch for each CI run... but we've done it before14:09
EmilienMdprince: yes we could, as long as we catch-up from master once the patch is merged upstream14:10
slagledprince: i wasn't sure that still worked or not14:10
EmilienMdprince: +1 for this proposal14:10
slaglei couldn't see how in our scripts it would know to build the nova package14:10
slagleso we might need to add some plumbing14:10
dprinceslagle: well... it used to. And it is a useful thing to have14:10
dprinceslagle: so if we need to re-add this capability I'd think it generally useful14:11
slagleyes14:11
dprincethink of it as an upstream defense mechanism14:11
EmilienM(as long as it's temporary)14:11
EmilienMdprince: do we take action on this?14:11
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slaglei can have a look at it14:11
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derekhslagle: it stopped working a while ago, but if you add nova to ZUUL_CHANGES as part of the cherry-pivk function then that should be all thats needed http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/tripleo-ci/tree/scripts/common_functions.sh#n4314:12
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slaglederekh: yea, that's what i had tried, but i think i got the syntax wrong for ZUUL_CHANGES14:12
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EmilienM#action slagle to cherry-pick nova/316031 into tripleo CI14:12
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derekhslagle: ok, iirc depending on where you do it, it may need to be space delimited or "^"14:13
EmilienManything else about bugs?14:13
EmilienM#topic Projects releases or stable backports14:14
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EmilienMshardy asked us if we could produce a newton-alpha this week14:15
EmilienMslagle: do you still have time this week to work on it with me?14:15
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EmilienMI never did it for tripleo (only puppet modules), but want to learn14:15
derekhslagle: also there might be something useful in here (or maybe not) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227563/614:15
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slagleEmilienM: yea, it should be relatively straightforward, get the hashes from the last successful promote, and release those14:16
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EmilienM#link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html14:16
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slagleEmilienM: hopefully we can get a promote this week, if not, we can use what was promoted last week14:16
EmilienMslagle: cool, let's do it this afternoon or tomorrow, depending if your agenda (mine is flexible)14:16
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EmilienM#action EmilienM & slagle to promote CI & release newton-alpha14:17
EmilienMany question/feedback about release management?14:17
EmilienMdo we have outstanding backports this week?14:17
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EmilienMok, let's move then14:18
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EmilienM#topic CI14:18
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EmilienMso we have some bugs already mentionned earlier that affect CI, but otherwise, do we have outstanding work regarding CI?14:19
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sshnaidmI'm asking for advise who can review and approve tripleo testing jobs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320957/  because talking "to all" doesn't work, I'd prefer to ask specific people. If somebody knows how it could be pushed, please advise me14:19
EmilienMsshnaidm: you need to ping infra prople about this patch, pabelanger for example14:20
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EmilienMpeople*14:20
EmilienMsshnaidm: /join #openstack-infra and ask for review14:21
sshnaidmEmilienM, ok, will ask pabelanger14:21
EmilienMcool14:21
derekhI have nothing on the current ci14:21
derekhrh2 deployment is making progress, I now have a publically available working rh2 overcloud14:21
sshnaidmEmilienM, I do it every day14:21
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derekhtoday started testing OVB on it14:21
EmilienMsshnaidm: sad story14:21
derekhwill be redeploying several times over the next week or so, so still a WIP (but no blockers yet)14:21
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EmilienMderekh: excellent progress :)14:21
EmilienMderekh: do you need help for something?14:22
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derekhnot at the moment, when I get it all up, I'll send on my scripts and take suggestions etc.. on how things could better be configured14:23
EmilienMcool14:23
EmilienMthx for this work14:23
EmilienMlet's move to next topic then14:23
derekhEmilienM: and if I hit any blockers I can't figure out I'll ping #tripleo14:23
EmilienM++14:23
EmilienM#topic Specs14:23
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EmilienM#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open14:23
EmilienMif you have a spec you want to discuss, please go ahead14:24
EmilienMmost of specs already had nice insights in gerrit14:25
EmilienMif there is anything outstanding to discuss go ahead or we move to open discussion14:25
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EmilienM#topic Open Discussion14:26
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EmilienM(quite meeting today)14:27
dprinceSo I've got one14:27
dprincemany of the developers have their own blogs14:27
dprincebut would it be useful to setup a "team" blog and tie it in as well?14:27
EmilienMfor tripleo posts?14:28
dprinceI was thinking of setting up a github pages blog (simple one) and we could host it under the github.com/tripleo account14:28
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marioshey o/ am testing M..N upgrades using the current upgrades process... some rework needed in the 'start/stop all the things' logic we use tracked at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo/+spec/overcloud-upgrades-workflow-mitaka-to-newton currently testing. reviews welcome. would be nice to land sthing in N1 for the parent upgrades BP at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo/+spec/overclo14:28
mariosud-upgrades14:29
dprinceyeah, for team posts, that we perhaps collaborate on. Or for individuals who are part of the team and want to blog but don't have their own.14:29
mariosdprince: +1 to reminder about writing _sthing_ (thinking about the recent experience doing the upgrades process 'for real')14:29
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EmilienMmarios: it's all on https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:fixup_upgrades_scripts,n,z ?14:30
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mariosEmilienM: for now... i also fixed the nova pinning etc today... see what else we find14:30
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mariosEmilienM: that is the purpose of the blueprint... track work needed to adapt the current workflow14:30
coolsvapor we could just aggregate the tripleo related blogs (like we do for most planet)14:30
ccamachodprince "but don't have their own" +114:30
mariosEmilienM: see the whiteboard at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo/+spec/overcloud-upgrades-workflow-mitaka-to-newton14:31
coolsvapi mean ghpages would need additional reviewing14:31
dprincecoolsvap: we would still aggregate them w/ planet. And also this would go into planet.openstack.org too14:31
dprincecoolsvap: it would just be a team blog in addition to any individual blogs14:31
EmilienMmarios: do we have plans to have a CI that test it?14:31
mariosEmilienM: good questino. matbu is looking at that i believe14:32
mariosEmilienM: and yes that is totally missing atm14:32
EmilienMbecause, yeah, we can review it, but without manual testing it's blind review14:32
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coolsvapdprince, I am +1 on it just thinking about options14:33
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dprincemarios: sorry, what were you reminding me for again? The 'overcloud execute' stuff?14:33
coolsvapbecause any additional information on tripleo is useful14:33
mariosEmilienM: ack, let's take it up on the review. fwiw am testing it locally, which is how we landed these scripts originally (for liberty upgrades), because, we didn't have ci, same reason14:33
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EmilienMright, I don't say we should block your patches because we have no CI for it14:34
EmilienMI just ask if we have plans for it14:34
mariosdprince: ha, nothing, you reminded me about saying i'd write sthing about tripleo when you said you asked ppl to14:34
EmilienMmatbu: please let us know your plans, mailing-list for example14:35
mariosEmilienM: i think he just started looking14:35
mariosEmilienM: we have a tracking bug14:35
mariossec14:35
marioshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/158312514:35
openstackLaunchpad bug 1583125 in tripleo "There is no 'major version' upgrades job for ci " [High,Triaged] - Assigned to mbu (mat-bultel)14:35
EmilienM(we had a CI topic and it was not raised :-P)14:35
mariossry :(14:35
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EmilienMcool work14:36
EmilienM#link Major upgrade work https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/158312514:36
openstackLaunchpad bug 1583125 in tripleo "There is no 'major version' upgrades job for ci " [High,Triaged] - Assigned to mbu (mat-bultel)14:36
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matbuEmilienM: yep i'll try to figure out this part asap14:36
EmilienMcool14:36
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matbuEmilienM: i just discover the ci tripleo.sh script yesterday14:37
EmilienMdprince: maybe we could use mailing-list to poll people who would be interested by blogging in a common place14:37
matbuEmilienM: but afaik there is not much work there ... just hoping the upgrade will work14:37
dprinceEmilienM: yep, I'll ask there too14:37
EmilienMdo we have other thoughts for today?14:38
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EmilienMdprince, gfidente: do you guys have something to mention about composable roles?14:39
dprincenot from me. Thanks EmilienM14:39
EmilienMno blocker? progress is good?14:39
gfidenteEmilienM, we got swift proxy14:40
gfidenteI think we got to wire chains in cephstorage and compute nodes14:40
gfidenteso I'm getting back at the ceph roles14:40
EmilienMgood14:40
gfidenteslow progress14:40
dprinceEmilienM: oh, so we need to prototype a solution that works better to enable/disable things with Heat environments14:40
gfidentebut progress14:40
dprinceslow progress, largely due to CI I think14:40
EmilienMdprince: let's fix nova, it should be better14:41
dprinceyep14:41
EmilienMI'll keep meeting open 30 more seconds, if anything go ahead now14:41
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EmilienMok folks, have fun! /peace14:42
mariosEmilienM: ++ thanks14:42
EmilienM#endmeeting14:42
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gfidentedprince, better than None you mean?14:42
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matbuEmilienM: thx14:42
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matrohonhi bgpvpn guys15:03
matrohon#startmeeting bgpvpn15:03
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pcarverhi15:04
matrohonhi pcarver, tmorin, doude15:04
wdeclercqhello15:04
matrohonhi wdeclercq15:04
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matrohonwaiting few minutes to let tmorin join us15:06
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matrohonok let's go15:10
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matrohonI made some cleanup on launchpad :15:10
matrohonhttps://launchpad.net/bgpvpn15:11
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matrohon#topic bugs15:11
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matrohonI put a highest priority to bugs that are mandatory for us to stay in the neutron stadium15:12
matrohonI also added one about OVO15:12
matrohon#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/158751115:13
openstackLaunchpad bug 1587511 in bgpvpn "use OsloVersionObject to be able to upgrade with no interrupt" [High,Confirmed]15:13
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matrohonI think OVO is the way for us to provide upgrades without stopping the neutron service15:13
matrohonBut I don't know OVO enough yet15:14
matrohonBut I think that's what armax want us to use to stay in the stadium15:14
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matrohonarmax can you confirm? ^15:14
armaxmatrohon: ovo is not currently one of the criteria15:15
armaxmatrohon: until neutron alone adopts them across the board it would be premature to consider them one of the criteria15:16
matrohonarmax : wasn't what you had in mind when you said we should provide an acceptable path for upgrades?15:16
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armaxmatrohon: there’s many upgrade paths15:17
armaxovo are not strictly necessary for upgrades15:17
matrohonarmax : ok, the traditional alembic might be acceptable, with a service interruption of the neutron server?15:18
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armaxyes15:19
matrohonarmax : ok thanks15:19
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armaxmatrohon: one must be able to demonstrade upgrade capabilities with one of the grenade jobs as neutron does today15:20
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matrohonI also gave a highest priority to bugs about tempest tests and bugs about integrating the openstack CLI15:20
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matrohonarmax : ok, I'll create a bug that ask for a grenade job to run in our gate15:21
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tmorinhi everyone15:24
matrohonhi tmorin15:24
tmorindid you start already ?15:24
matrohonyep15:24
tmorintopic is bugs15:25
matrohonit is15:25
matrohoncan you scroll back?15:25
tmorinI'll do it right now15:25
tmorinyou can carry on in the meantime15:25
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matrohonno hurry :)15:26
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tmorinnothing is logged after 15:14 UTC15:27
tmorinwhat's been said in the last 13 minutes I can't read15:28
tmorinwere you still discussing OVO ?15:28
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matrohonovo is not mandatory, but we should run a grenade job in our gate at least15:28
tmorinyes, this was my understanding15:28
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matrohonI moved https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/1587511 this way15:29
openstackLaunchpad bug 1587511 in bgpvpn "demonstrate ability to upgrade" [High,Confirmed]15:29
matrohonok next topic?15:29
tmorinmore bugs  to talk about!15:30
tmorinone is that our gate is broken because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/158751115:30
openstackLaunchpad bug 1587511 in bgpvpn "demonstrate ability to upgrade" [High,Confirmed]15:30
tmorinsorry, not this one15:30
tmorinthis one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/158735915:30
openstackLaunchpad bug 1587359 in neutron " oslo_config.cfg.NoSuchOptError: no such option in group DEFAULT: config_dirs" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Ihar Hrachyshka (ihar-hrachyshka)15:30
tmorina fix is in progress15:31
tmorinnot much to say about it15:31
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tmorinbut the discussion with ihrachys on it lead to ihrachys suggesting that we should update our tox.ini to apply upper constraints15:31
matrohonihrachys took the bug15:32
tmorinto prevent uselessly-too-recent pip releases of our dependencies to introduce bugs15:32
tmorinwe need to do things like this: https://github.com/openstack/neutron-lbaas/blob/master/tox.ini#L1015:33
matrohonok15:34
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matrohonI also wanted to point out this rfe on the neutron side :15:35
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matrohon#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322654/15:35
tmorinstill on bugs: we have a fix applied to master, waiting for being merged into stable/mitaka (for bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-bagpipe/+bug/1582598 )15:35
openstackLaunchpad bug 1582598 in bgpvpn "Same cookie value for br-tun flows rules added by OVS agent and its bagpipe_bgpvpn extension" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Thomas Morin (tmmorin-orange)15:35
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tmorinmatrohon: yes, on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322654/  --> good if everyone can have a look at it15:36
matrohonam I the only one who cannot open the .rst?15:36
matrohonI get a gerrit error : service unavailable...15:36
wdeclercqnah, me too. server unavailable15:37
matrohonmickeys, around?15:37
tmorinI can open https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322654/2/specs/newton/bgp-evpn-advertisement.rst without any issue15:37
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matrohonok....15:38
tmorinyou can also read the spec here: http://docs-draft.openstack.org/54/322654/2/check/gate-neutron-specs-docs/e06688e//doc/build/html/15:38
tmorinwell here: http://docs-draft.openstack.org/54/322654/2/check/gate-neutron-specs-docs/e06688e//doc/build/html/specs/newton/bgp-evpn-advertisement.html15:38
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wdeclercqI could open it in another browser15:39
matrohonI tried different browser, with no luck...15:39
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matrohonI'll try to workaround that!15:39
matrohonthanks tmorin for the links15:39
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matrohonany other topics?15:40
wdeclercq(I was getting ERR_BLOCKED_BY_CLIENT which is apparently often what you get with adblocks - turning mine off also fixed it in my 1st browser.)15:40
matrohonwdeclercq, thanks15:41
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ihrachystmorin: it's independent thing15:41
ihrachystmorin: but you should do it nevertheless15:42
ihrachysfor your immediate issue, the following should land in neutron: https://review.openstack.org/32342815:42
ihrachysand I don't expect any change needed for bgpvpn on that one15:43
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matrohonihrachys, thanks!15:43
tmorinihrachys: yes, understood :)15:43
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matrohonanything else for today?15:46
tmorinyes15:46
tmorinwe have made some good progress on API evolution in the last week15:46
tmorinmost things are captured on the pad15:46
tmorin#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/bgpvpn_advanced_features15:47
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tmorinthe more the merrier, so anyone is encouraged to read & discuss15:48
tmorinpcarver: you may be interested, there are many things related to advanced use cases with l3vpns15:48
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tmorin#topic horizon15:49
tmorinshort topic/announce15:49
pcarvertmorin: I've looked at them and asked a couple of other folks to look at them. Might need to schedule an internal conference call to get out non-OpenStack-focused folks to give input.15:49
pcarvers/out/our/15:49
tmorinpcarver: excellent ! feel free to reach out15:50
tmorin#undo15:50
tmorinpcarver: the earlier the better, or we'll end up with the API definiton done for Newton, but not time to implement any of the new things :)15:50
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tmorin#topic horizon announce15:51
tmorinwe have a contribution in the pipe on horizon15:52
tmorin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/32213415:52
tmorinthis covers only the admin-side of horizon15:52
tmorinbut the tenant side will reuse a lot of this code15:53
tmorinthe work still needs some work, essentially to make sure the code is extensible enough for new types of associations or new attributes15:53
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tmorinare we done for today ?15:54
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wdeclercqtmorin. I asked if we (nuage) have public documentation available to link in the documentation of the driver. Answer is we don't :) So what we suggest is to link to our https://github.com/nuagenetworks/nuage-openstack-neutron/blob/master/devstack/README.rst - Which is a bit out of date atm. But we'll be adding a small bgpvpn section there.15:54
tmorinok, that's still good15:55
tmorincan you push a gerrit change to add the link when the README is updated with this section ?15:55
wdeclercqYup, will do15:56
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tmorinwdeclercq: perfect, then !15:57
tmorinanything else ?15:57
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tmorinmatrohon: closing ?15:58
matrohonok let's close this meeting15:58
matrohon#endmeeting15:58
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tmorinok, thanks everyone !15:58
openstackMeeting ended Tue May 31 15:58:11 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)15:58
tmorinbye15:58
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-05-31-15.03.html15:58
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-05-31-15.03.txt15:58
matrohonbye15:58
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-05-31-15.03.log.html15:58
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hongbin#startmeeting containers16:00
openstackMeeting started Tue May 31 16:00:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'containers'16:00
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hongbin#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-05-31_1600_UTC Today's agenda16:00
hongbin#topic Roll Call16:00
strigaziSpyros Trigazis16:00
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muraliaMurali Allada16:00
jvgrantJaycen Grant16:00
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dane_leblanco/16:00
mkraiMadhuri Kumari16:00
tango__Ton Ngo16:00
rpothierRob Pothier16:00
jugglero/16:00
adrian_ottoAdrian Otto16:00
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Dragoo/16:00
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hongbinThanks for joining the meeting strigazi muralia jvgrant dane_leblanc mkrai tango__ rpothier juggler adrian_otto Drago16:01
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hongbin#topic Announcements16:01
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hongbinAny annoucement from our team member?16:02
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strigaziminor one16:02
hongbinstrigazi: go ahead16:02
strigaziThere is some progress on adding magnum to rally. Soon will have gate tests on rally16:02
strigazian16:02
strigaziand16:02
strigaziwe'll add to CERN's infra16:03
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tango__+116:03
hongbinawesome16:03
strigazithat's all16:03
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hongbinThanks strigazi16:03
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hongbin#topic Review Action Items16:03
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hongbinNone16:04
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hongbin#topic Essential Blueprints Review16:04
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hongbin1. Support baremetal container clusters (strigazi)16:04
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-baremetal-full-support16:04
strigaziYuanying is working on fixing the head templates16:04
strigaziand I16:04
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strigaziI'm investigating 1.1 Upgrade the Ironic image building elements to fedora 2316:05
strigazinot much on that for now16:05
hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320968/16:05
strigaziI'll find someone this week16:05
strigazithat's all16:05
hongbinstrigazi: find someone for?16:05
strigazifor 1.116:05
hongbinOh, I see16:06
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hongbinAny question for strigazi ?16:06
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hongbinstrigazi: Thanks. Let me know if anything you need help for this BP16:07
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hongbin2. Magnum User Guide for Cloud Operator (tango)16:07
strigazihongbin: ack16:07
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/user-guide16:07
tango__Not much update for last week since I was working on Rally plugins16:07
tango__I am working on the Kubernetes section16:07
tango__I should have the patch uploaded shortly16:08
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tango__that's all for now16:09
hongbintango__: Thanks Ton16:09
hongbinany comment for this BP?16:09
hongbin3. COE Bay Drivers (jamie_h)16:09
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/bay-drivers16:09
muralialooks like we've addressed all comments. The spec has 2 +2's. Someone needs to merge it if there is nothing else to be addressed16:10
hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296384/16:10
hongbinYes, it looks ready to go16:10
muraliaI have started implementation work. I'll update the WIP with the new changes and we'll take it from there.16:10
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muraliaThats it for now16:11
tango__I just did the honor :)  Thanks Murali and Jamie16:11
hongbinThanks muralia for addressing outstanding comments16:11
hongbinAny comment for the bay driver BP?16:12
muraliaawesome. thanks tango16:12
hongbin4. Create a magnum installation guide (strigazi)16:12
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-installation-guide16:12
strigaziPlease review:16:12
strigazi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319399/16:13
hongbinI tested the Ubuntu part. Will find a time to test the CentOS part16:13
strigaziI'll add links to other install guides16:13
strigazifor neutron/lbaas, I didn't find any good content16:14
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hongbin..........16:14
strigaziThis is road blocker  IMO16:14
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tango__Yes, I need LBaaS16:14
strigazi#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/HowToRun16:14
hongbinstrigazi: I will help you to talk to the lbaas team16:15
strigaziBut, to test our content you can do it against devstack16:15
hongbin#action hongbin send a ML to lbaas team to ask for installation instruction16:15
tango__particularly for v1, since we don't have support for v2 yet16:15
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strigaziI don't have something else16:16
hongbinstrigazi: FYI, we plan to decouple from lbaas16:16
strigaziI know16:16
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/decouple-lbaas16:17
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hongbinok16:17
hongbinAny other comment for the installation guide?16:17
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hongbin#topic Magnum UI Subteam Update (bradjones)16:18
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hongbinbradjones: status?16:18
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hongbinBrad mentioned that he will join this meeting, but didn't show up in roll call16:18
hongbinI have a note from him16:19
hongbin(Brad) Two new BPs that Shu has proposed16:19
hongbin(Brad) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum-ui/+spec/generic-detail-framework16:19
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hongbin(Brad) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum-ui/+spec/navigation-improvements16:19
hongbin(Brad) Both of which will keep us in line with changes upstream in horizon.16:19
hongbinThat is all16:19
hongbinAny comment?16:20
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hongbin#topic Kuryr Integration Update (tango)16:20
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hongbintango__: any update from the Kuryr team?16:20
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tango__I talked to Mohammed to synch up on Kuryr16:20
tango__I am working with another colleague to build a working environment with Kuryr16:21
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tango__from there we will develop Magnum support through network-driver16:22
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tango__I plan to join the Kuryr meeting to follow the discussion16:22
hongbinA question16:23
hongbinIs anyone in Kuryr team working on this integration?16:23
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hongbintango__: ^^16:24
tango__I think only in the sense of providing details to us16:24
tango__and helping to debug if necessary16:24
hongbinOK16:24
tango__If we find gap, they will fill16:24
hongbinWhat is the working items?16:25
hongbinFor example, what is the sub-tasks that need to be done? all in Magnum side?16:25
tango__They are also keen on adding support for storage, so they are relying on us to drive, at least in the beginning16:25
tango__For us:16:25
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tango__1. Build a working environment with Swarm and Kuryr as driver16:26
tango__2. Add template and scripts to automate16:26
tango__3.  Solve the Neutron credential issue16:27
tango__4. Functional tests16:27
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tango__5. Update docs16:27
hongbinGet it16:27
hongbinFrom Kuryr, is anything that is ready?16:28
tango__It should be all ready for Swarm16:28
hongbinOK16:28
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hongbintango__: anything you need help from the team?16:29
tango__We just need to validate it independently16:29
hongbinBut strange, I just saw they uploaded the spec16:29
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hongbinThey doesn't seem to have implementation yet16:29
tango__If this is interesting to anyone, please jump in16:29
hongbinOK. Thanks tango__16:30
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hongbin#topic Other blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas16:31
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hongbin1. Manually manage bay nodes16:31
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/manually-manage-bay-nodes the BP16:31
hongbinI would pause a few minutes for everyone to review the BP16:32
hongbinIf everything is fine, I will approve it16:32
hongbinThe idea has been discussed in the design summit and ML16:32
hongbinIt looks we agree to explore this direction16:32
hongbinSo, I drafted a BP for that16:33
hongbinAny concern for this?16:33
adrian_ottouuh16:33
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adrian_ottowhat's driving this?16:34
hongbin??16:34
adrian_ottomulit-AZ, or something more?16:34
hongbinyes, and multiple favors16:34
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tango__How about mixing VM and baremetal?16:34
hongbintango__: ......... it is hard16:35
hongbintango__: However, it is possible in theory16:35
adrian_ottoI think we should be really careful here not to become an orchestration system16:35
hongbinadrian_otto: could you elaborate?16:36
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adrian_ottoif resource groups are not the right instrument to get a multi-AZ deployment, then we should be focusing on what features are missing from the orchestration system, and asking how we can get them.16:36
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rochaporto+116:36
adrian_ottothis blueprint strikes me as a workaround for a missing Heat feature16:37
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adrian_ottomaybe I'm missing something, but that's what it looks like16:37
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hongbinnot sure if it is a good idea to push it to Heat16:39
adrian_ottoif there are things that are Magnum specific, then we should implement that in custom template logic and not look back16:39
hongbinIt is about deployment vs runtime16:39
tango__There was some discussion on multi-AZ support in Heat16:39
kebrayhongbin, I think you can likely do what you want from that blueprint in Heat today.  Have you talked to the Heat folks or considered nested stacks which might allow for nested resources groups?16:39
adrian_ottobut if we are talking about something fundamental that easily applies to any resource in a cloud, then I'd like to understand why the feature is not in Heat16:40
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hongbinMy poinion, Heat template is good for statically deployment, but hard to express runtime management logic16:41
rochaportothe AZ blueprint has a link on how to do it using heat today16:41
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hongbinBy decoupleing from resourcegroup, we have flexibility at runtime16:41
hongbinFor example, kill a node, swap a node, add a node16:41
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adrian_ottoResource groups already allow you to selectively kill a node by id16:42
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adrian_ottoso you can use that to implement swap16:42
hongbinOK, that is true16:42
adrian_ottoand you can add a node by increasing the parameter for the group indicating its size16:42
hongbinYes, but it is hard to express the hetergenerity of nodes16:43
adrian_ottoheterogeneous groups are an idea that really worries me.16:43
hongbinwhy?16:43
kebraypets bad, cattle good.16:43
adrian_ottobecause it lends to uneven staling and bad HA behaviour16:44
adrian_ottoexactly.16:44
adrian_ottos/staling/scaling/16:44
hongbinWell, I won't argue it is good or not, but we have reported use cases for that16:44
adrian_ottoif a node in our cluster needs to have a name, then we have a design problem.16:44
rochaportoadrian_otto: you could want a single cluster with a couple ssd nodes while the larger set is non ssd16:45
adrian_ottoif we think in terms of individual nodes, that's problematic.16:45
rochaportothis could be a use case... but i think we can express this today in heat16:45
adrian_ottorochaporto: you can do that my creating multiple bays. Keep it simple.16:45
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rochaportothat's one way... but i would split my cluster description between my db (on ssds) and the rest16:47
hongbinOK. maybe push the discussion to ML16:47
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hongbinI knew Sahara is manually manage individual Heat temaplates, instead of nesting them all in a single big templates16:48
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hongbinA single big template is problematic in update16:48
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rochaportohongbin: one stack per node sounds very very odd16:48
rochaportopretty sure we can do all with heat as it is today16:49
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adrian_ottoyeah, it seems really awkward16:49
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adrian_ottoI can see a template per group, but per node seems really strange.16:49
hongbinTemplate is per group16:49
hongbinFor example, master -> a master template16:49
hongbinminion -> a minion template16:50
adrian_ottothe BP says "manually create Heat stack for each bay nodes"16:50
adrian_ottoif you meant per group, then the above text is really tripping me.16:50
hongbinOh, I can clarify it furhter16:50
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hongbinCurrently, we use a global template to manage the master/minion templates16:51
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rochaportoit says 2 masters + 3 minions == 6 stacks16:51
hongbinThe proposed idea is just split it16:51
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hongbinrochaporto: Yes16:51
hongbinSo, the idea is to let ResourceGroup to manage it, or manually manage it16:52
hongbin#topic Open Discussion16:52
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hongbinAgain, we can push the discussion back to ML16:53
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hongbinI think it is a good practice to keep the depth of template as low as possible16:54
hongbinOtherwise, it is very hard to update a stack16:54
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hongbinIf we change a parameter, it might cause replacements of multiple Heat resources16:55
hongbinmy 2 cents16:55
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hongbinIf nothing else to discuss, let's wrap up earlier16:57
kebrayhongbin, isn't a major selling point of containers is that when you need to change something you just redeploy to get to new state?  why is so imporant to modify infrastructure and treat it as a forever lived resource and have diversified infra in a bay?16:57
kebrayanyway, happy to take to ML16:57
hongbinkebray: yes, I will reply in the ML16:58
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hongbinAll, thanks for joining the meeting16:59
hongbin#endmeeting16:59
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kzaitsev_mb#startmeeting murano17:00
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kzaitsev_mb#topic Action Items Review17:02
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kzaitsev_mbwe've only had 117:02
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kzaitsev_mbupdate the wiki to mention new CPLs17:02
kzaitsev_mband I think we did that )17:02
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kzaitsev_mbvakovalchuk and I have also backported almost everything we had mentioned in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-stable-backports to stable mitaka, (I think I only have 2 patches to add, that didn't cherry-pick cleanly)17:05
kzaitsev_mbSo as soon as we get the CI fixed — I'm going to ping around the stable core team to get those merged =)17:05
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kzaitsev_mb#action kzaitsev_mb ping stable reviewers to review the backports17:06
kzaitsev_mbok, We only have a single topic for today and it's mostly informational17:06
kzaitsev_mb#topic Mentors needed in specific technical areas17:07
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Nikolay_Stkzaitsev_mb: I suppose that we forget about this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320401/17:07
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kzaitsev_mbNikolay_St: let's add it to the list for the next week17:09
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vakovalchukwhy do you think that we forget it? it was in the list17:10
Nikolay_Stvakovalchuk: I make a backport before kzaitsev_mb create a list17:10
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kzaitsev_mbvakovalchuk: right you are! =)17:12
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kzaitsev_mbNikolay_St: no we didn't forget it — the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/1570962 is on the list )17:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1570962 in Murano mitaka "Murano doesn't detect pre-installed murano-agent on the debian image" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Nikolay Starodubtsev (starodubcevna)17:12
kzaitsev_mbI had to double check )17:12
kzaitsev_mbok, so back to the actual topic17:13
Nikolay_Stkzaitsev_mb: ok :) my bad17:13
kzaitsev_mb#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/095667.html17:14
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kzaitsev_mbhere's the mail WoOS folks sent a week or so ago17:14
Nikolay_Stkzaitsev_mb: I read it17:15
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kzaitsev_mbit specifically mentions murano as a field where mentors are needed )17:15
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kzaitsev_mbThey ask for about 4 hours a month for mentorship activities =)17:16
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kzaitsev_mbso if any of you folks would like to participate — I urge you to do so =) it can be fun and rewarding =)17:16
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kzaitsev_mbok, basically that's all I had to say for the topic, at least I myself should go pay them a visit =)17:18
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kzaitsev_mb#link https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/mentoring17:20
kzaitsev_mb#link https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZJz0oX_V944o84xe-l67zvy2kf1RyCzpudU2fTlDOA/edit17:20
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Nikolay_Stkzaitsev_mb: where I can fill the form?)17:20
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kzaitsev_mbNikolay_St: the links above ^^ =)17:21
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Nikolay_Stkzaitsev_mb: ok17:22
kzaitsev_mbno pressure to do that if you don't want to, that's for volounteers after all =)17:22
kzaitsev_mb#topic Open Discussion17:22
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kzaitsev_mbWe're still experienceing Ci problems right now. =/ At first we thought that it was horizon-devstack bug, but apparently it's something else17:23
kzaitsev_mb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321640/17:23
kzaitsev_mbthis one got merged today and unlocked horizons dsvm (and potentially should have unlocked us, but it didn't)17:23
kzaitsev_mbNikolay_St and I are looking into the problem right now17:24
kzaitsev_mbour current suspect is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312238/17:24
kzaitsev_mb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312238/17:24
zhurongkzaitsev_mb yes, horizon can not work normally with devstack install17:25
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kzaitsev_mbprobably we need to accomodate our CI scripts in murano-deployment to make set correct keystone url17:25
kzaitsev_mbI think we're close already )17:25
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Nikolay_Stkzaitsev_mb: sure17:25
Nikolay_StI've created a patch and run a job against it17:25
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kzaitsev_mbAmong other news — I think we should mention letter by Sergey Kraynev about the future of the murano-apps repo17:28
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kzaitsev_mb#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/096268.html17:29
kzaitsev_mbplease folks have a look and see if you're ok with this direction17:29
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kzaitsev_mbwe've discussed this internally with Sergey and I don't have objections to the plan, but I would also like to be sure, that the rest of the team is ok/on the same page17:30
Nikolay_Stkzaitsev_mb: +117:30
kzaitsev_mbativelkov: StanLagun: you guys especially =)17:30
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StanLagunI think it is the right direction17:31
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StanLagunBut the repo murano-apps should remain ours17:31
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kzaitsev_mbStanLagun: the idea is to leave murano-core team as part of the murano-app-core17:32
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kzaitsev_mband split large applications into separate repos17:33
kzaitsev_mbinfra folks seem to be ok with allowing us have separate repos17:33
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kzaitsev_mb#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/096271.html17:33
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kzaitsev_mbI think that's all I had for today.17:35
StanLaguni believe that murano-apps should contain only small apps that demonstrate murano capabilities. Everything else should be somewhere else under someone else responsibility in the long term17:36
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kzaitsev_mbStanLagun: that indeed is a the goal of the whole initiative17:36
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kzaitsev_mbseems that we're out of topics to discuss — I'm going to wait 5 mins more and end the meeting a bit early.17:43
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kzaitsev_mbthanks everyone for attending =)17:48
kzaitsev_mb#endmeeting17:48
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catherineD#startmeeting refstack19:00
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catherineDRoll call19:00
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catherineD#link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-05-3119:02
catherineDLet's start19:02
catherineD#topic     Add preliminary support for schema version 1.5  (  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319057/  )19:02
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catherineDSo for this time we will just update the website by creating tag while we deciding on refstack branching19:03
catherineDI will create a tag today19:03
sslypushenkoo/19:04
catherineDsslypushenko: Hi19:04
catherineDMeeting agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-05-3119:04
sslypushenkoThx!19:05
catherineDwhile we are on this topic let's discuss topic #519:05
catherineD#topic RefStack branches decision for refstack.openstack.org site19:05
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catherineDAs we discussed last time, we want to investigate how other OpenStack website uses branches19:06
sslypushenkowe need some branching model.. it is pretty clear19:06
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catherineDseems like OpenStack document is hosting from  master19:07
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catherineD#link     OpenStack document published only from the master branch http://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/docs-builds.html   https://github.com/openstack/openstack-doc-tools )19:07
hogepodgeMost projects don't branch19:07
sslypushenkomainly it is because we have some functionality, witch, for example app-catalog  does not have19:07
catherineDso are App-catalog and Storyboard19:07
sslypushenkoit is really strange that storyboard publishes from aster19:08
sslypushenko*master19:08
catherineDsslypushenko: ++ ... especially the UI ... we do not want to publish the UI prematurely19:08
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sslypushenkoyeap....19:10
catherineDso our UI code (like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318997/ ) will merge to refstack master but we may not want to expose that to the user yet19:10
sslypushenkoit should be possible to develop big features without publishing it19:10
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catherineDsslypushenko: yea and at the same time support publishing small update like supporing new DefCore schema to the website19:11
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sslypushenkoso, we need branches definately19:11
hogepodgeI'd like to see a focus on core features without a distraction on side features19:11
hogepodgeOtherwise it's a glorified fork19:12
catherineDhogepodge: it is the core feature to create vendor19:12
sslypushenkohogepodge:  anyway, it should be possible to deliver feature in a few patches, not in one god-like-patch19:12
catherineDthe other options is to cherry pick patches ... but I see that would be harder19:13
sslypushenkocatherineD:  yeap19:13
andrey-mpsslypushenko: we can develop in branches and merge features to master. antoher model will not be suitable due publishing from master19:13
catherineDoffering vendor and product creation is the main feature we are discussing ...19:14
sslypushenkoandrey-mp:  this workflow is not usual for openstack projects...19:14
andrey-mpsslypushenko: yes :)19:15
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sslypushenkoI think we can setup puppet-refstack to publish latest commit from latest non-master branch19:16
catherineDsslypushenko: so we create a production branch?19:16
pvaneckfeature branches seem to be relatively in use in the community: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/drivers.html#feature-branches19:16
sslypushenkosome think like we will publish branch with name 2016.06 - and it will be published automatically19:16
andrey-mpsslypushenko: right now it takes latest tag as I remember19:17
sslypushenkocatherineD:  it looks like production branch is not aslo the best solution19:17
sslypushenkoandrey-mp:  yeap... it should work like tags19:17
hogepodgeI guarantee the branches will drift and this will be a huge headache, especially as non core work is developed on branches19:18
sslypushenkobut we can cherrypick some commits into it, if necessary19:18
sslypushenkohogepodge:  non-cores will work with master19:18
sslypushenkoso it should not be a problemm19:18
catherineDso we will develop new features in a branch ?19:19
sslypushenkowe need branches only for delivering19:19
sslypushenkocatherineD:  nope...19:19
catherineDsslypushenko: could you please describe ..19:20
hogepodgeOk, for manging deployed should be OK19:20
sslypushenkoI suggest to work branches like advance tag19:20
hogepodgeJust watch out for scope creep19:20
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catherineDsslypushenko: create tag by cherry picking?19:20
sslypushenkoat some checkpoint we create a branch with consistent functionality19:20
hogepodgeFeature branches will cause heartache19:20
sslypushenkofor example 2016.0519:20
sslypushenkohogepodge:  +119:21
catherineDsslypushenko: I follow you ... so we create a brach 2016.05 ... what is next ?19:21
sslypushenkocatherineD:  so we will publish 2016.05 version of refstack19:21
sslypushenkothan we can continue develop in master19:21
hogepodgeThanks for clarifying for me19:22
sslypushenkoif it is necessary, we can cherrypick something in to 2016.0519:22
sslypushenkobut we still work only with master19:22
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sslypushenkowhen we need publish new version of web site19:22
sslypushenkoww will create branch 2016.0919:23
pvaneckwhy not just one branch "prod" or something, then just merge master into it occasionally19:23
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sslypushenkoand puppet will publish the newer version19:23
catherineDpvaneck: I like the idea of prod branch19:23
sslypushenkopvaneck:  it will take to much for support19:23
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catherineDThe only thing I see that may need update for  the product is schema update19:24
pvaneckwhen we create a new branch, do we delete the previous?19:25
sslypushenkonot all patches can be applyed in random order19:25
sslypushenkopvaneck:  we can delete it, yeap19:25
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catherineDpvaneck: is schema update can be isolated?19:25
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pvaneckcan you elaborate what you are talking about19:26
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catherineDlet say DefCore update their Guideline schema to a new version which include new JSON element ... do you need to update the js?19:27
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catherineDthe same js that you had updated to support vendor and product? I just want to see whether cherry picking is possible19:28
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pvaneckdepends on the change, but if it is just a new field, then no. It'll just be ignored until we support it19:28
sslypushenkopvaneck:  hmmm, I just realized that my idea sounds pretty close to idea with prod brach) but there is one difference. when we publish new branch, we still have a chance to rollback to old version. in case with prod branch it will be somewhat difficult19:28
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pvanecksslypushenko: yea, true. In any case, to be able to push merges we'd have to add a new gerrit acl line into project config to allow us to pushMerge19:30
catherineDthe only thing I see we may need to update the site  is DefCore schema update19:30
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pvaneckcatherineD, branches will allow us to cherrypick changes easily19:31
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sslypushenkopvaneck:  hmm.. can you specify details?19:31
catherineDpvaneck: only if what we pick are isolated files?19:31
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pvanecksslypushenko, described here: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/drivers.html#merge-commits In this case, they are talking about merging master into a feature branch or vice versa19:32
pvaneckcatherineD, cherry-picks are based on commits/changes19:33
pvaneckwe make the change to master, then cherry pick that into the branch the site is running off of19:33
sslypushenkohmm... I don't see why we need pushMerge... we need only cherrypick and creating new branches19:33
pvaneckyea, if we go the branch as a tag route19:34
pvanecki'll have to explore to see how i can get puppet to get the latest non-master branch19:34
catherineDif the commit that we pick involves file that have been updated  for other purposes ... I guess that will result in merge conflict19:34
sslypushenkocatherineD:  yeap... support extra branches always takes some extra effors. it is true19:35
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sslypushenkobut I hope that only minor changes need to be cherrypicked.... like schema adjustments or description updates19:36
catherineDsslypushenko: yea19:36
catherineDseems like we lean on creating feature branches for production ...19:37
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pvaneckwouldnt call it a feature branch19:37
catherineDpvaneck: prod branch?19:38
hogepodgeIt's more like release branches19:38
pvaneckyea, pretty much19:38
catherineDpvaneck: will investigate how to update the site with non-master branch19:39
sslypushenkohogepodge:  exactly, but without pinning to OpenStack releases19:39
hogepodgesslypushenko: +1 yeah, it is definitely not the same19:40
catherineDseems like we all agree on release branches19:40
andrey-mpcatherineD: pvaneck: site is upgraded from latest tag as i remember ...19:41
catherineDjust need to invetigate how to update the refstack site from release branches automatically like we do with tag today19:41
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catherineDandrey-mp: yes it is from latest tag19:41
pvaneckandrey-mp, yea, a puppet change will be needed19:41
andrey-mpwhy you don't want to stay with tags?19:41
catherineDandrey-mp: can we create tag with cherrypick?19:41
andrey-mpno19:41
andrey-mptag is like a branch - tag is a link to specific commit19:42
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andrey-mpand branch is too19:42
catherineDandrey-mp:  but with branch we can cherrypick commit to it19:42
sslypushenkoandrey-mp:  we need tags with cherrypick... so we need branches19:43
andrey-mpcatherineD: its a git - when you commit to branch, git makes new commit and moves branch onto. with tag you'll need to do it manually19:43
andrey-mpyou can move tags also19:43
andrey-mpor create minor version tags19:44
andrey-mp1.0.0 -> 1.0.1 -> 1.0.219:44
sslypushenkoandrey-mp:  it will not work... to create a minor tag on each minor change19:44
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andrey-mpwhile master has new commits without tags19:44
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andrey-mpsslypushenko: it will work but its too boring )19:45
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catherineDandrey-mp: I don't mind investigate if it works19:45
andrey-mpwith release branches we will drop tags model )19:45
sslypushenkoI can not understand how it will work...19:45
catherineDthen less work for puppet update ..19:46
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andrey-mpcatherineD: I do the same for our another git repositories19:46
sslypushenkoif we have only master branch, it means that we have only single chain of commits19:47
andrey-mpbut its not clear when tag moves19:47
catherineDThe discussion here is do we keep tag (that can cherrypick) --> this is the preferred method19:47
sslypushenkobut we want to have different chain for publishing19:47
andrey-mpsslypushenko: you're right - we need release branches anyway19:47
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andrey-mpbut we can make releases by tags - not by every commit in release branch19:48
catherineDsslypushenko: the publishing in the branches will be for both branches and master ... but not all commits in the master should go to the branch19:48
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andrey-mp(like Nova, Cinder, ... and some other Openstack components)19:48
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catherineDandrey-mp: so you mean we create a release branch and then create tag from the branch19:49
sslypushenkook...19:49
andrey-mpcatherineD: do you know how branches and releases work in Nova (for example) ?19:49
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catherineDandrey-mp: no I don't19:49
sslypushenkoit looks like everyone got the final idea... we need standard release workflow just without pinning to OpenStack releases19:50
andrey-mpcatherineD: yeah. but not 'from'. tag is a link on specific commit - you can create (and recreate) it everywhere19:50
rockygo/19:50
sslypushenkoit should be pretty simple to do and support19:50
pvaneckI will epxlore what changes puppet-refstack will need19:50
andrey-mpsslypushenko: +119:51
andrey-mpsslypushenko: but Openstack can release update for previous version  - we don't need it19:51
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catherineDso we agree that refstack site will be published from tag created from a release branch?19:51
andrey-mpcatherineD: from latest tag (as now)19:52
andrey-mpbecause we can have many tags/branches19:52
catherineDtoday the tag is created from master branch19:52
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sslypushenkocatherineD:  we can create tags on release branches... but I think that only publish the latest commit will also work19:52
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andrey-mprelease tags are need (and can be created) if we need to fix something in current version but master is not stable now19:53
catherineDI am not clear on what we agree here19:54
sslypushenkook... lets stick to tag approach19:54
sslypushenkoit looks a little bit flexible19:54
andrey-mpso release tag is created on commit with latest tag. then we merge something to this branch. then we tag new commit with new tag.19:54
sslypushenkoI mean tag from release branch19:54
andrey-mpand cherry-pick this commit to master19:54
andrey-mpwhen master will be stable - we tag it with higher major version19:55
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sslypushenkoandrey-mp:  yeap19:55
catherineDLet's Paul did some investigation on the puppet ans we will revisit this topic next week19:55
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pvaneckpuppet pulls from pypi, will non-master tags be released on pypi?19:56
catherineDmeanwhile we will create a tag to update the site to support DefCore schema version 1.519:56
andrey-mppvaneck: all tags are released on pypi19:56
andrey-mpbut pypi hides lower versions19:57
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catherineDandrey-mp: can you explain  lower version?19:58
andrey-mpif you release version 1.0.1 then pypi will hide 1.0.0 version19:58
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catherineDok19:59
catherineDthx19:59
catherineDI need to end meeting19:59
andrey-mpbut if you want - you can go to the pypi and unhide all versions )19:59
catherineDandrey-mp: can  I talk to you on #refstack on the product API tag19:59
andrey-mpyeah20:00
andrey-mpi'm there20:00
catherineDtag --> patch20:00
catherineDthank you all20:00
catherineD#endmeeting20:00
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