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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 20 14:00:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Anyone here today? | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:00 |
| _gryf | o/ | 14:00 |
| rlrossit | o/ | 14:00 |
| Yingxin | o/ | 14:00 |
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| sudipto | o/ | 14:01 |
| edleafe | Let's wait another minute for the latecomers... | 14:01 |
| edleafe | In the meantime, happy solstice! | 14:01 |
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| * bauzas mentions he's out of coffee | 14:03 | |
| edleafe | Well, I guess we should get started | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs and Reviews | 14:03 |
| alaski | o/ | 14:03 |
| edleafe | There is only one on the agenda: rlrossit, take it away! | 14:03 |
| rlrossit | alright! | 14:04 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330145/ | 14:04 |
| rlrossit | so I have a crazy idea and am looking for some feedback | 14:04 |
| rlrossit | I want to try and PoC a new scheduler that uses a different HostStateManager | 14:04 |
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| jaypipes | o/ | 14:05 |
| rlrossit | the new manager will use Redis (or some other shared memory) to maintain the state of all of the hosts | 14:05 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 14:05 |
| rlrossit | that way we don't need to be going back to the DB or caching, it's always up-to-date on all of the nodes | 14:05 |
| rlrossit | I just whipped up that spec last week, so it's still really rough around the edges | 14:05 |
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| rlrossit | but initially, I'm just looking for an answer to the questions: Am I crazy for trying this? Has anyone done this before? | 14:05 |
| jaypipes | rlrossit: until the scheduler actually owns that data, it will never be fully accurate.' | 14:05 |
| bauzas | it's a very old story :) | 14:05 |
| rlrossit | jaypipes: good point | 14:06 |
| alaski | rlrossit: done it with redis, not sure. there was talk of trying cassandra for that | 14:06 |
| rlrossit | currently my plan is to have the compute nodes update their state to the shared memory | 14:06 |
| doffm | rlrossit: Google have done this before. http://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.com/en//pubs/archive/41684.pdf | 14:06 |
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| rlrossit | I saw that when looking at johnthetubaguy's backlog scheduler spec | 14:07 |
| bauzas | doffm: rlrossit: jaypipes: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-scalable-scheduler | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | rlrossit: and then, once the scheduler *does* own that data, putting into Redis essentially makes it throwaway data and you will lose any transactional contracts that an RDBMS provides. | 14:07 |
| alaski | rlrossit: my expectation for a proposal like that would be to have numbers showing that it's worthwhile, and a clear explanation of the failure modes and how that compares to now | 14:07 |
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| rlrossit | alaski: that's the plan of the quick-and-dirty PoC | 14:07 |
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| rlrossit | I just didn't want to be met with pitchforks and torches when I came with numbers later :) | 14:08 |
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| bauzas | well, my original thinking is that we can still have the computes owning the resources but having the schedulers sharing a global state | 14:08 |
| alaski | rlrossit: I'm not sure you can avoid that completely :) | 14:08 |
| bauzas | that's not mutually exclusive | 14:08 |
| rlrossit | bauzas: that's my current plan | 14:09 |
| edleafe | So is the idea that this will enable multiple schedulers better, sicne they will share a common view of the state of the compute nodes? | 14:09 |
| rlrossit | or, rather, my current plan for the current scheduler | 14:09 |
| bauzas | rlrossit: see the etherpad I mentioned above, it was kind of an idea I had in the past | 14:09 |
| rlrossit | yeah it'll allow horizontal scaling without getting contention on the hosts | 14:09 |
| alaski | rlrossit: honestly the interesting thing to me would be what apis do you need between computes and the scheduler so that what you're working on and what jaypipes is working on could both coexist | 14:09 |
| bauzas | the real problem to me is to find some way to address that kind of shared state without pulling some huge dep | 14:10 |
| rlrossit | bauzas: yeah... | 14:10 |
| edleafe | Yeah, the current scheduler design doesn't do shared state very well | 14:10 |
| doffm | rlrossit: There will still be contention. Shared state doesn't mean IMMIDEATE update on all the schedulers. It EVENTUALLY consistent, not actually consistent. | 14:10 |
| rlrossit | that's the part where I think the main disagreement will come | 14:10 |
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| bauzas | tbh, I'm still totally on page with the rp-providers specs | 14:10 |
| bauzas | those specs are for managing our heterogenous ways of counting resources | 14:11 |
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| edleafe | doffm: I think that is understood. The problem now with horizontal scaling is increasing the number of schedulers increases the raciness | 14:11 |
| rlrossit | doffm: I want to see how many schedulers it takes to get contention with redis, I bet it'll be a lot | 14:11 |
| doffm | I hope so. | 14:11 |
| bauzas | the concept of "owning" that resource is just one side blueprint that was discussed to be left up for discussion post-newton given the progress we make on Newton | 14:12 |
| rlrossit | yeah, the goal is to get to more than 2 schedulers :) | 14:12 |
| edleafe | rlrossit: so this will reduce the lag between a host being updated, and all of the schedulers knowing about it? | 14:12 |
| rlrossit | edleafe: yep | 14:12 |
| rlrossit | edleafe: and it's more of an instant cache between the multiple schedulers | 14:12 |
| rlrossit | "instant" | 14:12 |
| doffm | :) | 14:13 |
| * rlrossit steps lightly around words | 14:13 | |
| bauzas | well, it's a global state cache | 14:13 |
| bauzas | rather | 14:13 |
| rlrossit | yeah | 14:13 |
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| edleafe | host managers are local state caches | 14:13 |
| bauzas | right, but they aren't shared | 14:13 |
| bauzas | which is pretty expensive | 14:14 |
| rlrossit | which is why you start getting contention with multiple caching schedulers | 14:14 |
| edleafe | bauzas: if they were, they'd be global :) | 14:14 |
| bauzas | not really | 14:14 |
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| rlrossit | this way if someone schedules to a host, all schedulers see that and have their host state updated, so if a host gets filled up, they won't schedule to it anymore | 14:14 |
| rlrossit | instead of failing and having to update their cache, and then retrying | 14:15 |
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| bauzas | the main driver to me is to keep it as light as possible and keep the scheduler(s) optimistic | 14:15 |
| edleafe | rlrossit: what would be your time frame for getting PoC numbers? | 14:15 |
| bauzas | that's where I think we should still have the computes owning the resources | 14:15 |
| rlrossit | edleafe: the goal is before the midcycle so doffm can present my numbers if they are good | 14:15 |
| doffm | Or bad. | 14:15 |
| bauzas | ie. the scheduler could fail fast, or give a wrong answer | 14:15 |
| edleafe | rlrossit: cool | 14:16 |
| rlrossit | so, if there's no one that wants to kill me yet, I'll get started on the PoC | 14:16 |
| bauzas | the only concern I have with the idea is to use Redis as it | 14:16 |
| edleafe | So I guess the question is: what sort of numbers would be persuasive enough to get everyone to look at this more seriously? | 14:16 |
| bauzas | that's where I think we should be more subtle | 14:16 |
| edleafe | bauzas: that's an implementation detail, no? | 14:17 |
| rlrossit | bauzas: yeah, if this works out, I have long-term thoughts on how the deps will work | 14:17 |
| edleafe | I think the idea is to demonstrate if the general approach helps. | 14:17 |
| rlrossit | but it's not worth looking into that if this doesn't even do anything for us | 14:17 |
| bauzas | edleafe: I dunno | 14:17 |
| * edleafe notes that my first commits to nova was removing redis from NASA's original design | 14:18 | |
| bauzas | edleafe: ie. my point is that we shouldn't rely on some magic given by a backend for providing us update consensus and cache invalidation | 14:18 |
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| edleafe | "magic" is kind of harsh at this point | 14:19 |
| edleafe | It's a cache | 14:19 |
| edleafe | Shared by multiple schedulers | 14:19 |
| edleafe | Is there any other cache that would not be as magic? | 14:19 |
| Yingxin | rlrossit: I also had a design for the "shared-state scheduler" | 14:19 |
| doffm | bauzas: Why would we write our own? 'Magic' is good. 'Magic' means tested iplementation that we worry less about. | 14:20 |
| Yingxin | rlrossit: but I think we take the different approach | 14:20 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: do you want to give a quick summary of the differences? | 14:20 |
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| doffm | I think part of the plan for testing is also to look at Yingxin's changes. | 14:21 |
| rlrossit | doffm: indeed it is | 14:21 |
| Yingxin | edleafe: there are no global cache in my design, they just get quick synchronized from incremental updates. | 14:21 |
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| Yingxin | I'll publish the new test result of my prototype to the ML :) | 14:22 |
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| edleafe | OK, great | 14:22 |
| bauzas | doffm: "magic" means "strong dependency for us" that would make us sensitive to updates :) | 14:22 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: would you review rlrossit's spec and give your feedback, as you've also worked on this issue? | 14:23 |
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| doffm | I understand, There is a tradeoff. :) | 14:23 |
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| Yingxin | edleafe: sure | 14:24 |
| edleafe | OK, let's continue this on the spec. And I hope that rlrossit and doffm keep us updated between now and the midcycle | 14:24 |
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| edleafe | Any other specs or reviews that we need to discuss here? | 14:24 |
| rlrossit | I will do my best to take copious notes | 14:24 |
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| edleafe | OK, let's move on | 14:25 |
| edleafe | #topic Midcycle | 14:25 |
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| * edleafe can never decide if there's a hyphen in midcycle or not | 14:26 | |
| edleafe | So a quick show of hands: who's going, and who isn't? | 14:26 |
| * bauzas waves hand | 14:26 | |
| * _gryf will be there. probably. | 14:27 | |
| takashin | o/ | 14:27 |
| * edleafe will be there | 14:27 | |
| doffm | Will also be there. | 14:27 |
| diga | edleafe: I will attend it for sure but I will attend it remotely | 14:27 |
| alaski | I will be there | 14:28 |
| alaski | as will jaypipes | 14:28 |
| edleafe | diga: do you know if there will be a remote system in place? | 14:28 |
| diga | yes, if possible we can setup webex | 14:29 |
| edleafe | What I'd like to do is make sure we've identified the issues that need discussion ahead of time | 14:29 |
| diga | last time I attended magnum via webex | 14:29 |
| bauzas | well, nova midcycles are pretty hard to remotely attend, tbh | 14:30 |
| bauzas | first, the audience is larger in the room | 14:30 |
| edleafe | So rather than start yet another etherpad, how about we keep editing the meeting agenda for now, and we can be sure to discuss these in the meetings before the midcycle | 14:30 |
| bauzas | second, the agenda is pretty free up to the last minute | 14:30 |
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| bauzas | and third, the flow of the conversation is pretty high | 14:30 |
| edleafe | bauzas would know (last year's Rochester meetup) | 14:30 |
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| bauzas | so, in general, we could maybe try to setup some kind of connectivity, but that's mostly just an audio without asking folks to participate | 14:31 |
| bauzas | because that would slow down the convos | 14:31 |
| edleafe | diga: were you able to participate in the Magnum discussions? Or simply listen? | 14:32 |
| bauzas | either way, it's something I guess mriedem hasn't planned yet | 14:32 |
| diga | edleafe: participated in the magnum discusion | 14:32 |
| edleafe | diga: well, I echo bauzas's concern, but I guess it's worth a try | 14:33 |
| diga | edleafe: Thank you :) | 14:33 |
| edleafe | So I guess what I'd like to see in the next week is for people on this subteam to start adding their ideas for the midcycle to the agenda page | 14:34 |
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| edleafe | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaScheduler | 14:34 |
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| edleafe | Since we only have limited time at the midcyle, we should discuss these topics and identify the most important for F2F discussion | 14:35 |
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| edleafe | Sound good to everyone? | 14:35 |
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| doffm | agreed | 14:37 |
| diga | I am fine with this edleafe | 14:37 |
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| edleafe | #topic Opens | 14:38 |
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| edleafe | So, before I send you all back to being productive, anyone have any other topics to discuss? | 14:38 |
| sudipto | edleafe, anything related to the scheduler that i could help with? | 14:38 |
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| diga | edleafe: any date you are planning for mid-cycle ? | 14:38 |
| edleafe | diga: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/NovaNewtonSprint#Hotels | 14:39 |
| edleafe | oops | 14:39 |
| edleafe | diga: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/NovaNewtonSprint | 14:39 |
| edleafe | July 19-21 | 14:39 |
| diga | edleafe: thanks | 14:39 |
| edleafe | sudipto: have you seen the Resource Providers work? | 14:40 |
| sudipto | edleafe, yeah. | 14:40 |
| sudipto | edleafe, read the spec, saw a few reviews. Nothing in particular yet though. | 14:40 |
| edleafe | sudipto: then reviewing the series that now starts with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/328276 | 14:40 |
| edleafe | would be a good start | 14:40 |
| sudipto | edleafe, alright. | 14:40 |
| sudipto | edleafe, will do. | 14:41 |
| sudipto | edleafe, thanks! | 14:41 |
| edleafe | Anything else to discuss? | 14:41 |
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| edleafe | OK, thanks everyone! Now go back to work!! | 14:42 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 20 14:42:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-06-20-14.00.html | 14:42 |
| * bauzas can use his 15 mins meeting cutoff to run for search coffee \o/ | 14:42 | |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-06-20-14.00.txt | 14:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-06-20-14.00.log.html | 14:42 |
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| ihrachys | o/ | 15:02 |
| slunkad_ | hello | 15:02 |
| johndperkins | yo | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 20 15:02:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | hello everyone! | 15:02 |
| korzen | hi | 15:02 |
| dasm | g'morning yall | 15:02 |
| * ihrachys waves at rossella_s | 15:02 | |
| rossella_s | hi all! | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam Agenda | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #topic Actions from the last meeting | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | "ihrachys to clean up agenda page" | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | I think I did it. Left just a stub with no references to patches since gerrit apparently is a better tool to track patches :) | 15:03 |
| rossella_s | :D | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | it's now quite bare, but that's ok | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | "rossella_s to come up with specific list of TODOs for port object" | 15:04 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, I put that in the commit message | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: link? | 15:04 |
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| rossella_s | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253641/ | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | mm, great. I will take a look. | 15:05 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, tests are currently failing...I don't think it's hard to fix them though...they are failing because something has changed after rebading | 15:05 |
| rossella_s | *rebasing | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: unless you get to that till next week, I plan to take it over from you next Mon. does it sound ok? | 15:06 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, perfect | 15:06 |
| * ihrachys will be mostly unavailable this week due to visas and PTOs | 15:06 | |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, this week I will be mostly unavailable too...due to the opnfv summit | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: have fun :) | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | "ihrachys to come up with a plan for getting dvr grenade multinode voting" | 15:07 |
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| ihrachys | that did NOT happen, even though I actually started looking at it today. | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | I hope to come up with some plan, at least in my mind, tomorrow | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | "ihrachys to send a bi-weekly to openstack-dev@" | 15:08 |
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| ihrachys | that DID happen, though very late | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | I spotted that I haven't done it today only | 15:08 |
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| ihrachys | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/097750.html the report | 15:08 |
| korzen | ihrachys, nice :) | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | thanks | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | and that's the end of action items | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 15:09 |
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| ihrachys | I don't have much, except that there will be a mid cycle meetup and some of us may meet there | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | I actually go there if I get visa in time | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | anyone else going? | 15:10 |
| johndperkins | o/ | 15:10 |
| korzen | I will know in a week or two | 15:10 |
| dasm | the same for me. i need to clarify this | 15:11 |
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| ihrachys | cool | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:11 |
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| ihrachys | as I mentioned, not much happened there because I am a slacker | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | one thing to note is a governance change that affected *aas assert:supports-rolling-upgrade tagging | 15:12 |
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| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323522/ | 15:12 |
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| ihrachys | the change effectively removed the tag, as long as supports-upgrade tag, from all *aas repos | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | that's because there are no grenade jobs for those repos whatsoever | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | but there is no technical change, just a reflection of reality | 15:13 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:14 |
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| ihrachys | most of the patches currently in review are mentioned in the email I sent today, so I won't repeat myself | 15:14 |
| korzen | rossella_s, can you take a look at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326477/10 DNSNameServer patch | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/097750.html | 15:14 |
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| ihrachys | I think the most critical bits right now is subnet adoption, that should prove objects are applicable for core resources | 15:15 |
| rossella_s | korzen, will do but probably tomorrow | 15:15 |
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| ihrachys | apart from that, we obviously want to land smaller objects like DNSNameServer | 15:15 |
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| ihrachys | and another critical direction is port and all related objects (like security groups that slunkad_ is working on) | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | I think sec groups are ready except a missing unit test for is_default field. | 15:16 |
| slunkad_ | ihrachys: yes I should be able to push that by tomorrow | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | slunkad_: great. I hope we will land it then and then port object will be mostly unblocked | 15:17 |
| slunkad_ | though there are other tests which are failing too | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | slunkad_: thanks for pushing it | 15:17 |
| rossella_s | slunkad_, thanks! | 15:17 |
| korzen | for subnet patch, I have 25 unit tests to be fixed and need to look at functional and API tests | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: do you have estimates considering your current load with other tasks? | 15:18 |
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| korzen | currently subnet patch is my P1 so I would like to finish this by EOW | 15:18 |
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| ihrachys | oh great. I will get to it with reviews on Monday. | 15:19 |
| korzen | I would need to spin a new patch for create_subnet patch, to see if Subnet object is OK | 15:20 |
| korzen | but I'm working hard to get this done ;) | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | one general thing to note is: kevinbenton was asking whether we have any devref page that describes all the 'boilerplate' that we have in the base class (fields_no_update, fields_need_translation, db_model, synthetic_fields, ...) for other neutron devs. | 15:20 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, it's a good point we should do that | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | I think we promised to the community before that while we won't follow thru with a spec, we will need to produce some devref docs as part of the effort. | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | so, we have that action item on the plate. do we have volunteers? :) | 15:21 |
| korzen | I guess that base class has some comments | 15:21 |
| johndperkins | there is versionedobject dev documentation already, do you mean neutron-specific? | 15:22 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: right. but apparently it's not enough, it would be probably wise to cover base pieces that we consider part of public API for objects to be described in laymen's terms. | 15:22 |
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| ihrachys | johndperkins: yes. we have a lot of things implemented in base neutron class that are not part of the library. | 15:22 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: once we have it in devref, we can actually expand the documentation right away while landing more base class features. | 15:23 |
| johndperkins | ihrachys: I noticed, like how we don't import all the objects in objects/__init__.py as instructed | 15:23 |
| johndperkins | but perhaps that was an oversight | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | johndperkins: yeah, testing interface is also of interest. | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | so, that's a huge piece to swallow. anyone brave? :) | 15:24 |
| korzen | I can spin a patch | 15:24 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: you win the prize! | 15:24 |
| korzen | if it is not a money or beer I do not want it ;) | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | #action korzen to spin up a devref patch describing base neutron object class features, testing interface, tips&tricks, etc. | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | korzen: no, the action item! | 15:25 |
| korzen | :( | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | :D | 15:25 |
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| korzen | action items are adorable also | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | apart from those things already discussed, I don't have anything for objects. anything of particular interest for the team that I am not aware? | 15:26 |
| korzen | any news from new features adopting OVOs? | 15:27 |
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| johndperkins | I'm working on routers but hitting duplicate errors | 15:27 |
| johndperkins | I could use some expert eyes | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | korzen: nope. I've heard from carl_baldwin in the email thread for the prev weekly update, but nothing actionable in gerrit. | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | johndperkins: link to the patch CI run? | 15:27 |
| johndperkins | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307964/ | 15:27 |
| johndperkins | and low-priority PS on OVO itself: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329742/ | 15:28 |
| slunkad_ | well like I mentioned earlier even for the sec groups we have a lot of unit tests failing with foreign key contraints...anyone familiar with those? | 15:28 |
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| ihrachys | johndperkins: "ObjectFieldInvalid: Field destination of RouterRoute is not an instance of Field" is that the one? | 15:29 |
| johndperkins | no, I'm past that | 15:29 |
| slunkad_ | oh sorry I think I am wrong. they just seem to have passed! | 15:29 |
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| johndperkins | It's "Failed to create a duplicate RouterPort..." now | 15:29 |
| rossella_s | johndperkins, without the logs it's hard to detect the problem | 15:30 |
| johndperkins | true, I'll push | 15:30 |
| korzen | slunkad_, if foreign keys are missing, you need to create the missing entity that object is referring to, or add mock somewhere | 15:30 |
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| rossella_s | johndperkins, anyway maybe you are using some key that it's the same value for 2 different object? | 15:30 |
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| ihrachys | johndperkins: right. we need CI run with logs to be able to have a meaningful discussion on your latest patch set. | 15:31 |
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| johndperkins | rossella_s: that's what the error suggests but I can't find it | 15:31 |
| slunkad_ | korzen: well it seems to be passing as of now. bull will keep that in mind | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | johndperkins: ok, keep me posted once we have CI logs and the latest patch on gerrit. ping me in irc, no need to wait for the next meeting or smth. :) | 15:31 |
| johndperkins | ihrachys: understood | 15:32 |
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| korzen | anyone is familiar with TestMl2DbOperationBoundsTenant.test_subnet_list_queries_constant unit tests? in Subnet ovo patch, the test is failing when you call list subnet 2 times, the ;constant; number of queries is raising | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | korzen: I know the intent of the test, yes | 15:33 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: it validates that the number of sql queries does not raise with the number of resources in the database | 15:33 |
| korzen | and if it does ;) ? | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | meaning, no code triggers additional fetches apart from the very base model query from common_db_mixin | 15:33 |
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| ihrachys | this is to avoid scaling issues | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | well if it does, we should think of how to avoid that :) | 15:34 |
| korzen | that what I thought so.. | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | korzen: link to the code that triggers that? | 15:34 |
| korzen | in ovo? | 15:34 |
| korzen | or in UT? | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | korzen: in db code I guess. what's the operation that triggers more queries? list_subnets? | 15:35 |
| korzen | yes | 15:35 |
| korzen | http://logs.openstack.org/01/321001/3/check/gate-neutron-python27/b9a1a1c/console.html.gz#_2016-06-17_11_01_26_004840 | 15:36 |
| korzen | smth like this | 15:36 |
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| korzen | if I understood correctly, the UT is checking if queries are the same if we have 10 vs 20 subnets to list? | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | oh I think that's because of rbac load you have | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | korzen: yeah, along those lines | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331009/1/neutron/objects/subnet.py, you seem to load rbac .shared field after initial fetch | 15:39 |
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| ihrachys | we need to look at how we currently achieve the constant scaling for sql queries, and model it into the subnet object | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | korzen: does it ring a bell? | 15:40 |
| korzen | yes, I have changed it to use RBAC https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331009/1/neutron/objects/subnet.py@189 | 15:41 |
| korzen | ok, thx ihrachys I will look at it tomorrow | 15:41 |
| korzen | lets continue ;) | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | korzen: ok, I guess you will need to load under transaction. | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | hm, or maybe that's not enough. anyway... | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | let's move on :) | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | #topic Other patches on review | 15:42 |
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| ihrachys | anything of interest apart from objects? | 15:42 |
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| ihrachys | I bet nope, moving on : | 15:43 |
| * ihrachys #topic Open discussion | 15:43 | |
| ihrachys | ok, I have one small thing that may be of relevance | 15:43 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: note that you haven't changed the topic :) | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:44 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva++ | 15:44 |
| korzen | ihrachys, changed a topic in his mind | 15:44 |
| korzen | ;) | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | in mitaka, neutron and nova try to set mtu on data path devices to network mtu. due to some reasons that I am not going to cover here but that you can read on http://openvswitch.org/pipermail/dev/2016-June/073190.html it may not work in some cases. | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | but basically, we use ovs in a way that is not supported by ovs folks | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | and maybe that discussion will trigger bridge remodeling for existing workloads | 15:45 |
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| ihrachys | which... now we get to upgrades part... may trigger questions on how to migrate from existing setup to a better one for existing workload | 15:45 |
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| ihrachys | so... since everyone here should be aware of no-downtime requirement on the data plane, it may be of interest to some of you | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | there is a link to openstack-dev@ thread in the email too | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | apart from that, I don't have anything. | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | anyone has other topics in mind? | 15:47 |
| korzen | will it happen in newton? | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | korzen: it probably won't. if at all. | 15:47 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: atm it's in early discussion mode, but I wanted to have you aware of that. | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | I would be more happy to find a solution that would avoid bridge remodeling | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | for obvious reasons | 15:48 |
| korzen | upgrading the OVS is causing the dataplane downtime as well so... | 15:48 |
| jlibosva | that's a good point. afaik node are evacuated before upgrading - so you can migrate workloads away, change how bridges are wired and migrate workload back | 15:49 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: that's fair. I guess it means once we require a new ovs version we may use the opportunity to remodel bridges/drop support for old model too. | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: yeah, but we generally allowed for an in-place upgrade where you just restart the agent and it gracefully keep up maintaining connectivity | 15:50 |
| korzen | we need to see how containers can help with taht | 15:51 |
| korzen | but that affect/relay on deployment model | 15:51 |
| jlibosva | also this topic is probably relevant for vlan aware vms blueprint | 15:51 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva: loosely for my taste, at least from upgrades perspective, since they model bridge-per-port for new trunk ports only. so there is no existing workload that would be affected. | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | or at least it's my limited understanding of what they try to achieve | 15:53 |
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| jlibosva | I imagine it has pretty similar - you basically inject a bridge between integration bridge and an instance's tap | 15:54 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva: how would per-network bridges interact with that? having another layer in between? so you would have br-int - br-<netid> - br-<portid>? | 15:55 |
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| jlibosva | ihrachys: no, I meant that migration from current wiring to mtu is similar as migration to vlan-aware vms with respect to not braking data plane | 15:55 |
| jlibosva | br-int <-> br-<netid> is like br-int <-> br-<portid> | 15:56 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: but for vlan-aware-vms, you don't change the bridge setup for 'usual' ports right? | 15:56 |
| ihrachys | it applies to new trunk ports only | 15:56 |
| jlibosva | yep, only for trunk ports | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | while for the mtu discussion, we talk about disrupting for all existing ports | 15:57 |
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| ihrachys | because those will need to be rewired into per-network bridges without users opting into using new features. | 15:57 |
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| ihrachys | ok, I guess we are running out of time | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | thanks everyone for joining | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | keep up the good work | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| korzen | thx, bye | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 20 15:59:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-06-20-15.02.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-06-20-15.02.txt | 15:59 |
| jlibosva | thanks, bye | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-06-20-15.02.log.html | 15:59 |
| slunkad_ | bye! | 15:59 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 20 16:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | hola | 16:00 |
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| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero, haypo | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for lifeless, lintan, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | hullo! | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | let's see anyone around today :-P | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | or is everyone on vacation, lol | 16:00 |
| rbradfor_ | o/ o/ | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | yo yo | 16:01 |
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| ihrachys | o/ | 16:01 |
| rbradfor_ | harlowja_at_home, my IRC didn't alert me, seems and IRC disconnect has me on an alternative nic? | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | hmmmm | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | evil irc | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i forgive u this time, lol | 16:02 |
| rbradfor | I'd say unreliable network but ... | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | :-P | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:02 |
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| ihrachys | nothing from neutron side | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/?groupKey=build_name&resolutionKey=hour&searchProject=-with-oslo | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Nothing from Cinder that I am aware of. | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | seems ok from that above link | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | guess everyone else on vacation, lol | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Releases for newton | 16:04 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i'll get a release bundle out in a little bit/later today so feel free to yell at me if u want me to add/remove a release from that | 16:05 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Architecture working group | 16:06 |
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| harlowja_at_home | since it did mention oslo, i'm just gonna mention it here as well :-P | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/097668.html | 16:06 |
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| harlowja_at_home | tbd what that will end up being, but thought folks here might be interested | 16:07 |
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| jd__ | aka the wishful thinking group | 16:07 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, I did read this email from Spamaps | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | jd__, lol | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | jd__, welcome, who are u | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:07 |
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| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, ya, i'm not sure what it will be yet, but meh, can't hurt to see where it goes | 16:08 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, OpenStack lacks arctitecture direction, and Oslo should be a least aware of what is discussed. I for one will be following the group. | 16:08 |
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| harlowja_at_home | yup | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Time isoformat() | 16:09 |
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| harlowja_at_home | jd__, while i have u, amrith are u around ;) | 16:09 |
| amrith | yes | 16:09 |
| amrith | I am a very big around, my dr. tells me | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, where we at with that isotime adjustments | 16:09 |
| amrith | I've incorporated all of the comments I've got | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329384/ | 16:10 |
| amrith | primarily from bknudson_ | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | jd__, i know u are gonna be like 'no way' | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | but wondering if we can compromise | 16:10 |
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| amrith | I don't believe jd__ responded to my question | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | right | 16:11 |
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| harlowja_at_home | gonna see if we can get him while hes here ;) (not entrapment) | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:11 |
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| amrith | so ... I'm waiting for confirmation from bknudson_ that this works for him | 16:12 |
| amrith | and would also like to close the loop with dims | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, kk | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'll fly to paris to find jd__ | 16:12 |
| amrith | the last time we were talking about this, dims was on the #tc meeting | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:12 |
| jd__ | I gave my opinion, that's all :) | 16:12 |
| jd__ | it's just _my_ opinion :) | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | noooooooo its _the_ opinion | 16:12 |
| jd__ | if nobody shares it, do whatever you like, or follow me :) | 16:12 |
| jd__ | harlowja_at_home: ah then it's not only me :-) | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:13 |
| amrith | so, where do we go from here? | 16:14 |
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| harlowja_at_home | amrith, i guess bknudson_ needs to double check it over | 16:14 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i'd like to be able to maybe send a ML email to the projects that have copied timeutils code, and if those folks will look over this code and say 'yes we'll use that' then I think that's a big 'ok from me, even if its not the ideal solution' path (life is compromises after all) | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, u did some research into who has copied that right | 16:16 |
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| amrith | "Where do we go from here now that all of the children have grown up | 16:16 |
| amrith | And how do we spend our time knowin' nobody gives us a damn" - Alan Parsons Project (not part of the big tent) | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:16 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i don't ever wanna grow up | 16:16 |
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| * kgiusti gave up on that long ago.... | 16:17 | |
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| amrith | ok, we'll wait for bknudson_ | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:17 |
| amrith | are we there yet? | 16:17 |
| amrith | bknudson_, are we there yet? | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'll form a little email to the dev list, so that others that have copied this can look it over | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | (or copied the old version or whatever) | 16:18 |
| amrith | harlowja_at_home, my earlier email listed those projects | 16:18 |
| amrith | may save you the time having to go find them | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | kk, i'll find that email then :-P | 16:18 |
| amrith | http://openstack.markmail.org/thread/xosf5h7gvhqdwtz7 | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx | 16:19 |
| dims | amrith : harlowja_at_home : i have the same opinion as jd__ and am ok if everyone wants to get it in | 16:19 |
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| amrith | dims, I know that was the case. But does the fact that several projects have just copied the code as it was mean that it makes sense for oslo to reconsider? | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, yup, if there is enough agreement that projects copying it would move to it, then i'm gonna lean on the 'its ok, its not perfect, but if it helps have less variation in all the projects, then thats ok' | 16:20 |
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| harlowja_at_home | we can save up the 'major disagreement' stuff for bigger things IMHO :-P | 16:21 |
| amrith | ah, ok | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | like, the architecture working group, lol | 16:21 |
| amrith | yes, as one of my former managers said to me "take your little problems away and come back to me when they are big problems" | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya | 16:22 |
| dims | amrith : my main thing here was folks are using it in API w/o realizing the problems. if we add it here, they will continue to do so and i did not want us to be part of that loop | 16:22 |
| amrith | dims, that's not the current proposal | 16:22 |
| amrith | the current proposal is NOT to undeprecate the old function | 16:22 |
| amrith | but to propose a new one that doens't have those problems | 16:22 |
| amrith | isotime will be deprecated | 16:23 |
| amrith | a new function is being added | 16:23 |
| amrith | that wraps isoformat() | 16:23 |
| amrith | and provides an iso compatible output that projects can use without changing their API's. | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | an idea, should we call this isoformat2 ? | 16:23 |
| amrith | it is called isoformat() | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | and leave the old one as is | 16:23 |
| amrith | timeutils.isoformat() | 16:23 |
| amrith | as opposed to datetime.datetime.isoformat() | 16:23 |
| amrith | ah, i see. dims commented on patch set 1. | 16:24 |
| amrith | this is now patch set 2 | 16:24 |
| amrith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329384/2 | 16:25 |
| rbradfor | the deprecated function was timeutils.isotime() | 16:25 |
| amrith | yes rbradfor | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | ah | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | kk | 16:26 |
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| harlowja_at_home | thx | 16:26 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ok, let's continue chugging away at that one, seems like a few tiny loose ends to close | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Stuck reviews and/or specs and/or code | 16:27 |
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| harlowja_at_home | any reviews people want to bring up (besides the isoformat one) | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | bring your reviews, 10 for 1$ | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:28 |
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| kgiusti | who wants to be an AMQP 1.0 guru? | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | u? | 16:28 |
| kgiusti | <crickets> | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'd like to learn more about it :) | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | but i'm not sure if that's guru-level | 16:29 |
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| kgiusti | You can be like me and fake it! | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | mild-guru | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'll take 1 mild-guru and a diet coke | 16:29 |
| amrith | sorry, I had to go schedule a root canal | 16:29 |
| amrith | which starts in 2m :) | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | :-/ | 16:29 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, I would vote for somebody that is a messaging guru giving some beginner tutorial (hangout) about how messaging works (i.e. the guts) and then how AMQP,0MQ and others impact that usage | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya me too | 16:30 |
| kgiusti | root canaling - is much more fun... | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, agreed | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | wonder if we can find such a person | 16:30 |
| rbradfor | amrith, just go tom hanks castaway that tooth. | 16:30 |
| kgiusti | I'm writing up a doc describing the amqp 1.0 driver design FWIT | 16:30 |
| bknudson_ | just took a quick look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329384/3/oslo_utils/timeutils.py -- I like the changes since they're backwards compatible. | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | kgiusti, nice | 16:31 |
| amrith | thx bknudson_ | 16:31 |
| kgiusti | but I'm a non guru zmq-wise | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | 1/4 guru? | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:31 |
| dims | amrith : does not help with my issue. All REST API should be 'Z' prefixed and should only have UTC time | 16:31 |
| amrith | dims, why is that? | 16:32 |
| amrith | or should we take this up at a later meeting/offline | 16:32 |
| rbradfor | other then knowing messaging (and hence rabbitMQ) is critical for project communication it would be good for more Oslo people (well ok, just me then) to appreciate it's importance with intermediate skills? | 16:32 |
| amrith | offline ~ on another line | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, +1 | 16:32 |
| dims | amrith : http://markmail.org/message/elxv2l4xhrksvpse | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | maybe we can have a tiny session/hangout with sileht, the zeromq guy (i forget his name), and kgiusti | 16:33 |
| kgiusti | hey I can blabber on about amqp 1.0 for hours - if you're into root canals and such... | 16:33 |
| amrith | dims, yes, I've read that email but I'm not sure it is complete | 16:33 |
| amrith | longer discussion I guess | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'm all about the root canals | 16:33 |
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| kgiusti | "don't stop now" -- little shop of horror ref | 16:34 |
| bknudson_ | amrith: keystone will have to ensure that "at" parameters are tagged as UTC? (Not sure how to do that) | 16:34 |
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| bknudson_ | maybe they will be already somehow... I think they mostly come from a DB query. | 16:34 |
| kgiusti | we'll get the arch doc done and then if people are interested in a hangout let me know.... | 16:34 |
| bknudson_ | (I've looked at the python docs and for some reason it's not obvious how to get a UTC timzone) | 16:35 |
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| harlowja_at_home | kgiusti, cool, i think rbradfor and i at least would be :) | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | we like root canals, lol | 16:35 |
| bknudson_ | there will be laughing gas | 16:35 |
| kgiusti | harlowja_at_home: I'm only into the laughing gas, myself. | 16:35 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, hey, was there a poll for you to license "we", I don't | 16:35 |
| bknudson_ | he he | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, ha | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, that pool was earlier | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | *poll | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | poll of 1 | 16:36 |
| rbradfor | dictators are not welcome here :) | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | :-P | 16:36 |
| kgiusti | rbradfor: not interested in wading thru https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320492/ | 16:36 |
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| kgiusti | rbradfor: it will put hair on your chest - which is good because you'll pull out everything on your head... | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:37 |
| rbradfor | kgiusti, I don't need any accelerated hair loss ideas | 16:38 |
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| kgiusti | rbradfor: I've got plenty extra if you need some... | 16:38 |
| dims | amrith : scars from web services wars (R3217 - http://www.ws-i.org/profiles/basicsecurityprofile-1.0.html) | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | u guys are giving out chest hair? or hair loss ideas | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | idk anymore, lol | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:39 |
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| kgiusti | harlowja_at_home: rbradfor: but seriously - I'd like to land these patches on the feature branch at least.... | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | kgiusti, agreed, i'm gonna try to get through some of them this week, i swear | 16:40 |
| kgiusti | Some folks from the massive distributed WG are interested in trying out the new routing feature. | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo.messaging+branch:feature/amqp-dispatch-router right? | 16:40 |
| kgiusti | harlowja_at_home: ya - and I have one more (last hopefully) large patch to follow. | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:41 |
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| kgiusti | harlowja_at_home: thank you!!! | 16:42 |
| harlowja_at_home | np :) | 16:42 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, ' Davanum Srinivas (Computer Associates)' nice nice, u in the appendix C | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | (of that web service thing) | 16:43 |
| dims | deep scars :) | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | cleaned it up with soap i hope | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | (the wound/scar) | 16:43 |
| dims | :) | 16:43 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ok, anything else people want to bring up? | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | else, u all get a few minutes back! | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | (and u can go read that nice SOAP document) | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:44 |
| rbradfor | distracted by DockerCon live sessions right now. | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | ah | 16:44 |
| * harlowja_at_home i should watch those to | 16:44 | |
| rbradfor | Great slide a few mins ago. The best tools... 1. Get out of the way. 2. adapt to you. 3. make the powerful simple. I wonder if other projects should assess this. | 16:45 |
| bknudson_ | that's the definition of openstack. | 16:46 |
| bknudson_ | he he | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | 4. be written in go, ha | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | alright, andddd with that, ---> #openstack-oslo i guess for further fun commentary | 16:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | thanks for showing up folks :) | 16:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 16:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 20 16:47:36 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-06-20-16.00.html | 16:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-06-20-16.00.txt | 16:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | bbiab | 16:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-06-20-16.00.log.html | 16:47 |
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| nikhil | o/ | 17:30 |
| sudipto | o/ | 17:30 |
| mfedosin | #startmeeting glare | 17:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 20 17:30:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mfedosin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:30 |
| kairat_ | O/ | 17:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:30 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glare' | 17:30 |
| mfedosin | #topic agenda | 17:30 |
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| docaedo | o/ (for the first half hour at least) | 17:30 |
| mfedosin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-artifacts-sub-team-meeting-agenda | 17:30 |
| mfedosin | #topic Updates | 17:30 |
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| mfedosin | hello :) | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | so, several things were done... | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | 1. Spec was reviewed and approved by api-wg core team | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283136/ | 17:32 |
| mfedosin | Erno found several small issues there | 17:32 |
| mfedosin | I'll try update the spec tomorrow | 17:33 |
| mfedosin | btw, his comments make sense - it's better to return 409 instead of 400 | 17:33 |
| mfedosin | 2. We pushed the code on the public review | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | so, community can check it and find bugs there :) | 17:34 |
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| mfedosin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330459/3 | 17:35 |
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| mfedosin | Ilya still works on some test but I believe they will be available this week | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | 3. kairat is working on microversions support | 17:36 |
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| mfedosin | we decided to add them in the last moment, based on discussions with api-wg | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | I think it's a really useful feature and it will help us in the future | 17:37 |
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| mfedosin | 4. I'm working on glare sql db | 17:37 |
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| mfedosin | code is almost done, I wanted to push it on review before this meeting | 17:38 |
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| mfedosin | but did not have enough time to finish :( | 17:39 |
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| mfedosin | I think I need an hour and it will be available | 17:39 |
| docaedo | sounds like pretty good progress | 17:40 |
| mfedosin | now I want to tell about organizational matters. | 17:40 |
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| kairat_ | We need schema generation also | 17:40 |
| mfedosin | ah yes | 17:40 |
| kairat_ | Because it is part of core func | 17:41 |
| mfedosin | afaik Darja is doing this | 17:41 |
| kairat_ | Perhaps, we need help here | 17:41 |
| kairat_ | Yep | 17:41 |
| mfedosin | kairat_: what kind of help? | 17:41 |
| kairat_ | Need to ask darja about progress on that | 17:41 |
| mfedosin | she'll defend her diploma work this week... | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | 23th of June | 17:42 |
| kairat_ | Ok | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | it means she won't be available till this date | 17:42 |
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| mfedosin | but yeah, we should ask her about the progress on schema generation | 17:43 |
| mfedosin | kairat_: you're closer to her. may you do it? | 17:43 |
| kairat_ | Yep, will ask tomorrow | 17:44 |
| mfedosin | cool | 17:44 |
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| mfedosin | so, back to organizational matters... | 17:44 |
| mfedosin | docaedo: it's a good news for you, because now there is a new person in glare team | 17:45 |
| docaedo | mfedosin: nice! | 17:45 |
| mfedosin | and he is responsible for integration with app-catalog | 17:45 |
| docaedo | mfedosin: great, hope he can join the meeting this thursday and talk about his plans then | 17:45 |
| mfedosin | he's a senior software engineer and a very smart guy | 17:45 |
| mfedosin | definitely he'll be there | 17:46 |
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| mfedosin | his name is Serg Skripnick | 17:46 |
| mfedosin | I believe I write it correct :) | 17:46 |
| docaedo | thanks, looking forward to working with him! | 17:46 |
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| mfedosin | now kzaitsev_ws put him in the swim | 17:47 |
| mfedosin | I wish nikhil will find some time to review the spec and will be able to merge it | 17:48 |
| mfedosin | unfortunately we don't have much time | 17:48 |
| mfedosin | because newton-2 is coming | 17:49 |
| nikhil | I have some (3-4) major concerns but I want to test it in devstack first. | 17:49 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: for example | 17:49 |
| nikhil | and I will send email to Mike to make sure I understand things correctly. | 17:49 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: add kairat_ in cc please | 17:50 |
| nikhil | ok | 17:50 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: how do I set this up in devstack? (this was my only question for today) | 17:50 |
| mfedosin | v1? | 17:51 |
| mfedosin | or just glare | 17:51 |
| nikhil | which one is the latest glare impl (yet to be merged) | 17:51 |
| mfedosin | v1 | 17:51 |
| nikhil | (yes, if you impl mircorversions v1 will go away. just want to make sure we talk about same thing) | 17:51 |
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| nikhil | (I mean 'v1' will go away and it will only be a single non-versioned api handled via microversions) | 17:52 |
| kairat_ | Yep | 17:52 |
| mfedosin | 1. install the code from the latest patch | 17:53 |
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| mfedosin | 2. enable glare service in your localrc | 17:53 |
| kairat_ | You will need to specify version header only | 17:53 |
| mfedosin | 3. install devstack | 17:53 |
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| nikhil | mfedosin: can you please add that to the spec for others to test too? | 17:54 |
| kairat_ | Hm | 17:54 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: whenever you updated the spec | 17:54 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: okay | 17:54 |
| mfedosin | np here | 17:54 |
| nikhil | for now, I can use this to setup | 17:54 |
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| nikhil | ty | 17:54 |
| mfedosin | in short, you should add ENABLED_SERVICES=g-glare | 17:55 |
| mfedosin | in your localrc | 17:55 |
| mfedosin | it will enable glare v0.1 | 17:55 |
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| mfedosin | then you install patch with v1 and restart it | 17:55 |
| mfedosin | microversions are not ready yet | 17:56 |
| kairat_ | Need to update paste alsi | 17:56 |
| kairat_ | Also | 17:56 |
| mfedosin | kairat_: right! | 17:56 |
| nikhil | ok, someone please update the spec with all the details. | 17:56 |
| mfedosin | I forgot to mention | 17:56 |
| nikhil | I will wait. | 17:56 |
| kairat_ | Spec is the design doc | 17:56 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: will be done :) | 17:56 |
| kairat_ | Not instruction, imo | 17:57 |
| kairat_ | Maybe add thst.yo the patch | 17:57 |
| mfedosin | kairat_: we can create a document | 17:57 |
| mfedosin | and add a link to the spec | 17:57 |
| mfedosin | I think it's more correct | 17:57 |
| nikhil | spec has a lot of info besides design, like testing, impact sections, other openstack related metadata like reviewers.. | 17:57 |
| docaedo | +1 - testing instructions should not live in the spec in my opinion | 17:57 |
| docaedo | link to testing instructions in the spec makes sense | 17:57 |
| nikhil | docaedo: I think that's accurate | 17:58 |
| kairat_ | +1 | 17:58 |
| docaedo | because testing instructions change over time, spec should not | 17:58 |
| mfedosin | because we will have to update this doc from time to time | 17:58 |
| nikhil | an etherpad with instructions referenced in the spec will work as long as you timestamp the etherpad | 17:58 |
| docaedo | giant -1 on an etherpad, those are almost ephemeral | 17:58 |
| nikhil | so is setup | 17:58 |
| docaedo | for short term like today, sure :) but long term, how to test and use this should be in the repo itself | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | I would prefer google doc | 17:59 |
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| kairat_ | Yeah | 17:59 |
| nikhil | google docs are not on openstack domain | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | and I can record a demo on youtube | 17:59 |
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| nikhil | they need google accounts that not everyone wants to create | 17:59 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: no we need a text document, people can copy paste | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: not necessary | 17:59 |
| kairat_ | Rst doc attached to patch | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | it can be available for everybody | 18:00 |
| nikhil | ok, we are getting into details and time is up | 18:00 |
| kairat_ | I mean added | 18:00 |
| nikhil | you can add it to your own git repo and link it | 18:00 |
| nikhil | that works | 18:00 |
| nikhil | etherpad is a standard practice in glance | 18:00 |
| * nikhil concludes his points | 18:00 | |
| mfedosin | okay, I got you :) | 18:00 |
| docaedo | I'm surprised people aren't documenting in the repo, standard doc practice AFAIK | 18:01 |
| mfedosin | but we're out of time | 18:01 |
| mfedosin | thank you for coming today | 18:01 |
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| kairat_ | Thanks | 18:01 |
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| nikhil | docaedo: we do for things that are mature. it creates a contract when things are in repo. | 18:01 |
| mfedosin | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 20 18:01:40 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-06-20-17.30.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-06-20-17.30.txt | 18:01 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 20 20:00:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
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| silos | \o/ | 20:00 |
| redrobot | As usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda | 20:01 |
| * redrobot waves at silos | 20:01 | |
| maxabidi | o/ | 20:01 |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:01 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| * silos waves back | 20:01 | |
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| panatl | o/ | 20:01 |
| alee | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | only a few barbicaneers here today... | 20:02 |
| redrobot | no worries, we'll have an awesome meeting anyway! :D | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #topic Action Items from last meeting | 20:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Items from last meeting (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:02 | |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-06-13-20.00.html | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | Doesn't look like Fernando is on | 20:03 |
| redrobot | so | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #action Fernando to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327229 | 20:03 |
| silos | I can remind him later. | 20:03 |
| redrobot | silos awesome | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #topic Midcycle | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Midcycle (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:03 | |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-security-midcycle-N | 20:03 |
| redrobot | silos do you have any updates on this? Do we have set dates? | 20:04 |
| silos | Nothing yet. Fernando is still trying to see if we can get a room and what will be provided. Is there a set date we should know by? Don't want everyone to wait too long. | 20:04 |
| silos | ^^ too long to plan things. | 20:05 |
| redrobot | silos it would be awesome if we could know by next week... I think that'll give people like 8 wks to plan the trip | 20:05 |
| silos | redrobot: sounds good. We'll try to know by next week with definitive YES or NO for us hosting and what not. | 20:06 |
| redrobot | silos thanks! | 20:06 |
| redrobot | #action silos or Fernando will update next week about IBM hosting the midcycle in Austin | 20:06 |
| redrobot | I don't have any other topics on the agenda | 20:07 |
| redrobot | anyone have things to talk about? | 20:07 |
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| kfarr | Does anyone have proposals for the summit? | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | #topic Summit CFP | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | kfarr good question... | 20:09 |
| redrobot | I don't have anything proposed yet | 20:09 |
| redrobot | Thinking about it though | 20:09 |
| alee | kfarr, hyakuhei was mentioning something awhile back about doing a talk about cert management in opoenstak | 20:09 |
| redrobot | kfarr do you know when the deadline is? | 20:09 |
| kfarr | redrobot, not sure, looking.. | 20:10 |
| alee | kfarr, if he and I ever get around to writing that chapter in the security guide, we;ll have a talk about that. | 20:10 |
| kfarr | alee, ah ok, gotcha! | 20:10 |
| alee | kfarr, not barbican specific .. but | 20:10 |
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| redrobot | alee that would be interesting... | 20:11 |
| kfarr | closes mid-july, but I don't see a specific date.. https://www.openstack.org/summit-login/login?BackURL=%2Fsummit%2Fbarcelona-2016%2Fcall-for-presentations%2F | 20:12 |
| redrobot | kfarr thansk | 20:12 |
| alee | kfarr, I'm playing around with a byok idea that might be interesting too. still figuring it out | 20:12 |
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| kfarr | Ah July 13 | 20:12 |
| kfarr | July 13, 2016 AT 11:59PM PDT | 20:12 |
| kfarr | alee, if you're interested in co-presenters, let me know! for either one, esp if castellan is relevant | 20:13 |
| alee | kfarr, will do | 20:13 |
| alee | kfarr, trying to get my idea to work first | 20:13 |
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| alee | redrobot, it would be nice to get a performance talk in there perhaps from the guys that actually have a live deployment | 20:15 |
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| redrobot | alee indeed! | 20:16 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to ping elo about performance talk | 20:16 |
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| redrobot | any other topics we should talk about? | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | I'm guessing no, then | 20:22 |
| redrobot | short meeting today | 20:22 |
| redrobot | thanks for coming everyone! :D | 20:22 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:22 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 20 20:22:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-06-20-20.00.html | 20:22 |
| kfarr | Thanks redrobot! | 20:22 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-06-20-20.00.txt | 20:22 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-06-20-20.00.log.html | 20:22 |
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| shamail | #startmeeting product working group | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 20 21:00:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: product working group)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:00 |
| shamail | Hi, who’s here today? | 21:00 |
| cloudrancher | Howdy | 21:00 |
| kencjohnston_ | Me o/ | 21:00 |
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| shamail | Hi cloudrancher and kencjohnston_ | 21:00 |
| Soyeh_McCarthy | Hi, Soyeh McCarthy with Ericsson is here | 21:00 |
| kencjohnston_ | Hi shamail! | 21:00 |
| shamail | Hello Soyeh_McCarthy | 21:00 |
| Soyeh_McCarthy | hello | 21:01 |
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| shamail | The agenda for today can be found at | 21:01 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team#June_20.2C_2016_Product_Team_Meeting_Agenda | 21:01 |
| leong | o/ | 21:02 |
| shamail | hi leong | 21:02 |
| leong | hi shamail | 21:02 |
| shamail | #topic CPL Review Update | 21:02 |
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| shamail | The first topic for today is just a quick update on the CPL reviews that we were trying to schedule | 21:02 |
| shamail | We didn’t get confirmation in time from enough CPLs to do the first round of updates this week | 21:02 |
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| shamail | We’re going to try and aim for 6/27 at this point | 21:03 |
| rockyg | o/ | 21:03 |
| shamail | Hi MeganR, rockyg, and HeidiJoy | 21:03 |
| MeganR | Hi! | 21:03 |
| shamail | #topic User story Review | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "User story Review (Meeting topic: product working group)" | 21:03 | |
| HeidiJoy | Hi! 0/ | 21:03 |
| rockyg | \o/ | 21:03 |
| shamail | We have had a lot of good activity on user stories over the last couple of weeks in our repo | 21:03 |
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| shamail | it seems as though some might be ready for the next step, which would be to conduct a gaps analysis meeting with the right people | 21:04 |
| leong | the HA VM and baremetal is ready for gap analysis | 21:04 |
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| shamail | kencjohnston_ and leong, have you already made plans on how to proceed with the next step? | 21:04 |
| leong | i will discuss with Kei (fujitsu) on the plan for baremetal | 21:05 |
| kencjohnston_ | kencjohnston_ for which one? I don't believe I'm the owner of either HA VM or baremetal... | 21:05 |
| shamail | Thanks leong | 21:05 |
| leong | is Pete here? | 21:05 |
| shamail | kencjohnston_ I thought either fleet management or standard options was also getting there | 21:05 |
| shamail | I don’t see Pete on today | 21:05 |
| kencjohnston_ | shamail Ah, yes fleet management is Krish and we are moving forward with a gaps analysis | 21:05 |
| leong | in today regional meeting, we will also discuss the plan for HA VM with NTT | 21:05 |
| kencjohnston_ | shamail: "Standard Options"? | 21:06 |
| shamail | standard config options | 21:06 |
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| kencjohnston_ | shamail: Centralize Config has a Cross Project Spec already underway | 21:06 |
| kencjohnston_ | Gaps Analysis happening there | 21:06 |
| shamail | sounds good leong, please let us know when you schedule a meeting with the appropriate CSPLs! | 21:06 |
| shamail | Got it kencjohnston_, do we need to track it then or anything else? | 21:07 |
| leong | btw, where can i get the list of CSPLs | 21:07 |
| kencjohnston_ | shamail: I don't think we need to continue to track it | 21:07 |
| kencjohnston_ | #link Centralize Config Cross Project Spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295543/ | 21:07 |
| shamail | leong: | 21:07 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Cross-Project_Spec_Liaisons | 21:07 |
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| shamail | Thanks for the link kencjohnston_… sounds good. | 21:08 |
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| shamail | #action Schedule gaps analysis meeting between user story owners, technical SMEs, CSPLs for HA VM, Fleet Management, Bare Metal (Leong, Krish, Pete) | 21:08 |
| leong | seems like irc is the only contact method? is tt possible to get their email contact? | 21:09 |
| shamail | I would suggest contacting them via IRC and asking for it | 21:09 |
| shamail | The other way would be to search through whichever mailbox you recieve openstack-dev messages on | 21:09 |
| shamail | That’s how I usually find them | 21:09 |
| leong | ok | 21:10 |
| rockyg | Sometimes can also find them through their launchpad acct | 21:10 |
| shamail | Thanks for the updates leong and kencjohnston_! | 21:10 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Is that one meeting per user story or one for general process? | 21:10 |
| shamail | one per use story Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:11 |
| shamail | user* | 21:11 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks | 21:11 |
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| shamail | #topic Midcycle Planning | 21:11 |
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| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Newton_Midcycle_Planning | 21:11 |
| shamail | The ops-meetup admin WG will decide on a venue at their upcoming meeting (tomorrow) | 21:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | so where will it be? | 21:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:12 |
| shamail | It is between Seattle (Best Buy) and New York (Bloomberg)…. the last time I checked, NYC had more votes | 21:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | NY is more expensive... | 21:12 |
| shamail | Knowing the locations (SEA or NYC), do we have any volunteers that could potentially host the PWG midcycle if it’s in one of these cities? | 21:13 |
| shamail | I’d like to add Blue Box (IBM) as a potential host for Seattle | 21:13 |
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| shamail | I added a new section to the midcycle planning etherpad for hosts | 21:15 |
| shamail | line 28 | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | see it (+1) | 21:15 |
| shamail | #action If your company has a location in either city that could host the PWG midcycle, please add it to the list in the midcycle planning etherpad (all) | 21:15 |
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| shamail | Next step is to go through list of proposed topics and give them a ranking | 21:16 |
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| shamail | Can everyone take the next 2 minutes to look through the list of topics in the etherpad and add a +1 for those that you believe should be discussed at the midcycle? | 21:17 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | How do you propose to rank it? | 21:17 |
| shamail | Cya kencjohnston_, please add your thoughts to tthe etherpad | 21:17 |
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| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: Add +1 next to topics that you would like to see | 21:17 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | On etherpad with x # of votes per person? setup poll like we did for user stories? | 21:17 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: no restrictions for now just based on where you see value | 21:19 |
| shamail | We can go more formal if clear interests do not emerge | 21:19 |
| leong | +1 shamail | 21:20 |
| * shamail adds new section at bottom of etherpad with results (give me 1 min) | 21:20 | |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I think we need rought time estimate for each topic so we can see how many we can land | 21:21 |
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| shamail | Okay! | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | removing double counting | 21:22 |
| shamail | That’s the next step Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:22 |
| shamail | So we have a ranked list starting at Line 73 of the etherpad | 21:23 |
| shamail | Let’s discuss each topic to establish length with the assumption that we are capped at 14-16 hours | 21:23 |
| shamail | Item 1: OpenStack Strategy (this is following up from the Austin summit presentation where we suggested the PWG could be an advisor on "strategy") | 21:23 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | we will need to present roadmap at next summit so I would move to the top of (2)s | 21:23 |
| shamail | Does 2 hour seem appropriate for this topic? | 21:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes, maybe even 1+1/2 | 21:24 |
| shamail | I am thinking two hours mainly because of the SWOT and CI items | 21:24 |
| shamail | Anyone else here? :P | 21:25 |
| shamail | It’s just us Arkady_Kanevsky :) | 21:25 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | leong? | 21:25 |
| leong | yes | 21:25 |
| leong | 2 hrs looks good to me | 21:25 |
| shamail | We can defer the duration topic until next week if that makes more sense | 21:26 |
| leong | maybe email the "result" to maillist | 21:26 |
| shamail | Do ya’ll want to build a draft agenda in this meeting or should Carol and I take a stab and share a draft we can edit? | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | lets put draft of duration on the etherpad and let folks comment | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes | 21:26 |
| shamail | That way we focus on fixing rather than building the initial draft | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:27 |
| Soyeh_McCarthy | Apologies Shamail, I'm new to this and trying to get a hang of things, including conducting the meeting through IRC and etherpad :-) | 21:27 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | welcome Soyeh | 21:27 |
| Soyeh_McCarthy | Thank you | 21:27 |
| rockyg | welcom Soyeh_McCarthy ! | 21:27 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | will you be able to join midcycle? | 21:27 |
| shamail | No worries Soyeh_McCarthy, it does take an adjustment and welcome! | 21:27 |
| Soyeh_McCarthy | I don't know yet | 21:28 |
| Soyeh_McCarthy | what are the dates? | 21:29 |
| shamail | Soyeh_McCarthy: We will know by next week (along with location) | 21:29 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | are we going to review roadmaps per project based on interviews? | 21:29 |
| MeganR | shamail: if we are talking strategy - will two hours be enough? | 21:30 |
| shamail | No Arkady_Kanevsky, we generally use the roadmap topic at the midcycle to discuss process and planning next release | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | and building spreadsheet for themes/projects work? | 21:30 |
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| shamail | MeganR: It could be longer or less depending on how deep we go. Please add your thoughts on the timeframe as well. | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK. We will need to discuss also coordinatoin iwht the board on themes | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | and for adding new themes as we had done for Newton summit | 21:31 |
| shamail | I added a new section to the etherpad (Line 84) so that each person can add however long they think each topic should have | 21:31 |
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| shamail | We can build an initial estimate using this data by our next meeting | 21:31 |
| MeganR | yes - sorry, needed to scroll down :) | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 on all other estimates | 21:32 |
| shamail | #action Please add how long you think we will need to spend on each topic to the etherpad for planning purposes (all) | 21:32 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | my comments on estimates are on etherpad | 21:32 |
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| shamail | Thanks Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:32 |
| shamail | Moving on to the next topic | 21:32 |
| shamail | #topic Level Playing Field email thread | 21:32 |
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| shamail | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/097307.html | 21:32 |
| shamail | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329448/ | 21:33 |
| shamail | Thierry sent an email last week to revisit the discussion on open core… It made sense to bring this topic up as a FYI in our WG meeting... | 21:33 |
| shamail | There has been a lot of discussion in the mailing list and I think we have a better understanding of the goal now. | 21:34 |
| shamail | Essentially, this resolution is intending to make it so that projects based on a non-open source reference implementation can not become official | 21:34 |
| shamail | There was a lot of discussion around whether this impacts Nova (different hypervisors), cinder volume providers, etc. since they support non open-source HW/SW | 21:35 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | that is strange. How can you have OpenStack project (that is open source by default) be non-open source? | 21:35 |
| shamail | In general, this seems to be to prevent a project or feature from being based on open-source and at the end of the day, the reference will be left to humans to intrepret | 21:36 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: the example that came up in the ML was Poppy which was supposed to be an OpenStack CDN service | 21:36 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I can understand that implementation behind some drive is not-open sourced since it talks to proprietary "black box". | 21:36 |
| shamail | but there were no active open source CDN projects to use for reference implementation | 21:36 |
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| shamail | I encourage everyone to read the mailing list discussion as it has a lot of Q&A/clarification details | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Most of OS projects provides common API and front for multiple drivers with default one open sourced one | 21:38 |
| shamail | yep | 21:38 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | will read and maybe evne comment on Thiery PR. | 21:38 |
| shamail | and this is just affirming that the RI needs to be open source | 21:38 |
| shamail | sounds good Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:38 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:38 |
| shamail | Okay, final topic! | 21:39 |
| shamail | #topic FSI (FinServ) requirements gathering session | 21:39 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I wish swift would follow that model also and provide driver plugin support | 21:39 |
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| shamail | Carol and I were asked to meet with a group of people that are interested in providing requirements from the Financial Services segment. We accepted the conversation but wanted to also open it up to others in the product working group who might have a background working with Financials. Would anyone care to join? | 21:40 |
| shamail | The meeting is not scheduled yet, simply building the attendee list | 21:40 |
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| leong | shamail you can put me in | 21:41 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | <shamail> does that means reqs from Financial workload segment? | 21:41 |
| shamail | #action Please let Carol or Shamail know if you want to participate in the requirements gathering meeting for Financial Services market segment (all) | 21:41 |
| shamail | Will do leong | 21:41 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | add me too, please | 21:41 |
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| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: I assume that would be one aspect, in general its how they foresee needing to leverage OpenStacl | 21:42 |
| shamail | OpenStack* | 21:42 |
| shamail | will do Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:42 |
| shamail | #topics Open | 21:42 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:42 |
| shamail | #topic Open | 21:42 |
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| shamail | That is all we had on the agenda today. Any other topics? | 21:42 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Where do we collect roadmap slides | 21:42 |
| shamail | Please send them to HeidiJoy | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | can we have a pointer to etherpad where we track interviews, and sldies presentation for roadmap | 21:43 |
| shamail | And these are called the “Newton Design Series” slides (not the same as roadmap slides) :) | 21:43 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Shall we have google repository for all projects for newton and just point Heidi to it? | 21:44 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Newton_design_series_PTL_interview | 21:44 |
| shamail | That’s a good way of doing it Arkady_Kanevsky, I did it the same way | 21:44 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I dislike to email raw and pdf files of presentations | 21:44 |
| shamail | +1 | 21:44 |
| shamail | Anything else? | 21:44 |
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| leong | nope from me | 21:45 |
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| shamail | Thank you for joining everyone! | 21:45 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | no. | 21:45 |
| shamail | Have a wonderful evening/night | 21:45 |
| shamail | #endmeeting | 21:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 20 21:45:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-06-20-21.00.html | 21:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-06-20-21.00.txt | 21:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-06-20-21.00.log.html | 21:45 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | have a good day | 21:45 |
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