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| kei | #startmeeting product working group | 02:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 21 02:00:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: product working group)" | 02:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 02:00 |
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| kei | hi, who's here? | 02:00 |
| leong | o/ | 02:00 |
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| kei | hi leong. | 02:01 |
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| kei | leong: i couldn't join the main meeting today. i'll read the log, but are there anything we need to share here? | 02:04 |
| fredli | hi kei and leong | 02:04 |
| kei | hi, fredli. | 02:04 |
| fredli | it seems that the connection is not stable at all today. I was disconnected frequently. | 02:05 |
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| leong | nothing much, apart from planning for gap analysis | 02:06 |
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| kei | fredli: i'm ok so far, but seems some people dropped often. | 02:06 |
| kei | leong: ok. thanks. | 02:06 |
| leong | sorry kei.. i'm have an urgent issue in my lab now that i need to resolve | 02:07 |
| kei | #topic Topics from the main meetings | 02:07 |
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| kei | leong: sure. | 02:07 |
| leong | who else in this call? | 02:07 |
| kei | leong: fredli is here. | 02:08 |
| fredli | if there are no one else, I think we can read the main meeting's log by ourselves | 02:08 |
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| kei | fredli: leong had a topic to discuss today, but he has to leave now. i can share a summary of last main meeting. | 02:09 |
| leong | the important thing for today is making sure we are on track for the next step to perform gap analysis | 02:10 |
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| kei | leong: will a meeting or something be taken place for gap analysis? | 02:11 |
| leong | yes... we should sschedule a meeting with CSPL, user story owner, SME | 02:13 |
| kei | leong: ok. i'm still working on making a documentation that describe the gap of bare metal service, and provide it as an initial input to the meeting. | 02:15 |
| leong | ok... that's good to hear | 02:15 |
| leong | do you think we can setup a meeting later this week or next week to discuss in detail? | 02:15 |
| kei | ok. now here is a summary of the previous main meeting just in case. | 02:16 |
| fredli | kei: could you share the link of the document you are working, I am happy to comment/add as we have found gaps as well. | 02:16 |
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| kei | fredli: i'm making the document locally now. i'll try to publish it somewhere and let you know the link. | 02:17 |
| fredli | great, thanks. | 02:18 |
| kei | fredli: you're welcome. | 02:18 |
| kei | btw, here's some information for reference. | 02:19 |
| kei | - PWG midcycle will be two days. | 02:19 |
| kei | - There are two possible venues, Seattle or NYC. Attendees, please vote at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss by 22nd Jun. | 02:19 |
| kei | - PWG members need to submit your proposals for the Barcelona CFP at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Barcelona_Sessions | 02:20 |
| * kei i haven't done these yet | 02:21 | |
| kei | fredli: it seems that most regional meeting members are busy today. so if you don't have anything else today, i'll close the meeting. | 02:22 |
| fredli | kei: fine, please do that | 02:22 |
| kei | fredli: ok. thanks. | 02:23 |
| kei | have a good one, fredli. | 02:23 |
| kei | #endmeeting | 02:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 02:23 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 21 02:23:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-06-21-02.00.html | 02:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-06-21-02.00.txt | 02:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-06-21-02.00.log.html | 02:23 |
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| moshele | hi | 13:00 |
| moshele | is anyone for sriov meeting? | 13:00 |
| lennyb | hi | 13:00 |
| sfinucan | hey | 13:00 |
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| lbeliveau | hi | 13:00 |
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| moshele | #startmeeting sriov | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 21 13:00:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is moshele. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sriov)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sriov' | 13:00 |
| moshele | hi | 13:01 |
| moshele | let get started | 13:01 |
| moshele | #topic Improving SR-IOV/PCI Passthrough CI | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Improving SR-IOV/PCI Passthrough CI (Meeting topic: sriov)" | 13:01 | |
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| moshele | lennyb: can you update on the SR-IOV CI for multlnode | 13:01 |
| lennyb | we decided to leave the Docker container and implement multinode CI on 2 physical servers | 13:02 |
| saneax | o/ | 13:03 |
| lennyb | currently I have a main job that starts controller and compute, and I am working on reporting logs with restrictions of infra ci and | 13:03 |
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| lennyb | logging | 13:03 |
| moshele | ok cool | 13:04 |
| moshele | sfinucan: do you have any update on the intel CI? | 13:04 |
| sfinucan | moshele: Last I checked, it's up, stable and reporting | 13:05 |
| sfinucan | Waiting on "a week of green" before we look to get voting rights | 13:05 |
| moshele | sfinucan: I meant if you are planning to do multi node CI for NUMA | 13:06 |
| lbeliveau | sfinucan: what has changed ? | 13:06 |
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| sfinucan | sfinucan: ah, yes | 13:06 |
| moshele | the Mellanox CI multi node will test migration with direct port | 13:06 |
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| sfinucan | moshele: ah, yes (whoops) | 13:06 |
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| moshele | ok cool | 13:07 |
| moshele | anything more on CI? | 13:07 |
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| sfinucan | lbeliveau: moshele: We were converting from custom scripts etc. to a CI based on upstream | 13:07 |
| sfinucan | That's done now. Multi-node CI next, I guess | 13:07 |
| sfinucan | ...once it's stable :) | 13:07 |
| moshele | sfinucan: cool, thanks for the update | 13:07 |
| lennyb | sfinican: upstream CI is quit stable | 13:08 |
| lbeliveau | sfinican: do you know who's responsible for multi-node CI ? | 13:08 |
| sfinucan | lennyb: I mean the Intel NFV CI | 13:08 |
| sfinucan | lbeliveau: That would be wznoinsk | 13:09 |
| moshele | can move to the next topic | 13:09 |
| lbeliveau | sfinucan: ok thanks | 13:09 |
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| moshele | #topic bug fixes | 13:09 |
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| moshele | the list of patches under L 20 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sriov_meeting_agenda | 13:10 |
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| moshele | lbeliveau and I tested the migration patches | 13:11 |
| moshele | I think for now they are good enough | 13:11 |
| lbeliveau | I'll do more test for the race condition, I want to understand that a bit more | 13:11 |
| moshele | so I will try to ping some of the nova cores, but sfinucan you are welcome to review them as well | 13:12 |
| sfinucan | moshele: will do | 13:12 |
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| moshele | lbeliveau: agree, but I guess we can handle the race condition in different patch | 13:12 |
| sfinucan | moshele: In addition, I've a few bugfixes coming around CPU pinning/NUMA topology. Can I stick them on that etherpad? | 13:13 |
| lbeliveau | absolutely | 13:13 |
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| moshele | sfinucan: sure | 13:13 |
| lbeliveau | sfinucan: yes, I'll look at them shortly | 13:13 |
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| moshele | anything else on bugs? | 13:14 |
| lbeliveau | I'm good | 13:14 |
| sfinucan | ditto | 13:14 |
| moshele | #topic Specs for review | 13:14 |
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| saneax | we have one more sriov related spec for IRONIC | 13:15 |
| saneax | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331564/ | 13:15 |
| saneax | this is to push the grub parameters via IPA | 13:15 |
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| sfinucan | there's this one for PCI passthrough without NUMA too | 13:15 |
| sfinucan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298179/ | 13:15 |
| moshele | saneax: this for support SR-IOV with TriplO right | 13:16 |
| saneax | yes | 13:16 |
| sfinucan | (tl;dr: Don't do PCI passthrough/SR-IOV if you don't have a NUMA topology on the host) | 13:16 |
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| saneax | ok sfinucan | 13:17 |
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| karthiks | to support the spec related to ironic , we have raised a RFE with nova | 13:18 |
| karthiks | https://bugzilla.redhat.com//show_bug.cgi?id=1348566 | 13:18 |
| openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1348566 in openstack-nova "[RFE] Provide a mechanism to configure boot params" [Unspecified,New] - Assigned to eglynn | 13:18 |
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| saneax | sfinucan, do you have more doc as why? | 13:18 |
| moshele | saneax: I added the ironic spec | 13:19 |
| moshele | saneax: to etherpad | 13:19 |
| saneax | I amnot sure what breaks if NUMA topology is not present and we allow passthrough/SR-IOV | 13:19 |
| saneax | thanks moshele | 13:19 |
| saneax | request for review | 13:19 |
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| moshele | sfinucan: you are the NUMA expert can you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298179/ | 13:20 |
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| sfinucan | saneax: No more than what's in the commit messag | 13:21 |
| saneax | ok sfinucan, thanks | 13:21 |
| sfinucan | though I think there might be something on the mailing listr | 13:22 |
| sfinucan | saneax: Yup, search for 'PCI Based NUMA Scheduling can't really achieve pci numa binding in some cases' | 13:22 |
| saneax | thanks sfinucan | 13:23 |
| sfinucan | moshele: Don't know about "expert", but I'll check it out :) | 13:23 |
| sfinucan | *I plan to check it | 13:24 |
| moshele | sfinucan: cool | 13:24 |
| saneax | sfinucan, got the mail thanks - bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1551504 | 13:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1551504 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "I/O (PCIe) Based NUMA Scheduling can't really achieve pci numa binding in some cases." [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Jinquan Ni (ni-jinquan) | 13:24 |
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| moshele | moving to my spec User-controlled SR-IOV ports allocation - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182242/ | 13:25 |
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| moshele | sfinucan: so I need to address the NUMA part | 13:25 |
| sfinucan | moshele: Yes, you do | 13:26 |
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| sfinucan | I've no idea how to address this myself, I'm afraid :( | 13:27 |
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| moshele | sfinucan: I first need to have good understanding of the problem | 13:27 |
| moshele | sfinucan: so maybe we can talk after the meeting | 13:28 |
| sfinucan | moshele: Sure thing | 13:28 |
| moshele | sfinucan: cool | 13:28 |
| moshele | we also have this spec new spec: tripleo-sriov - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313872 | 13:28 |
| moshele | I haven't review the new updates, I hope to do it this week | 13:29 |
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| moshele | anything more about SR-IOV specs? | 13:29 |
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| sfinucan | moshele: Not off the top of my head | 13:30 |
| lbeliveau | moshele: good too | 13:30 |
| moshele | #endmeeting | 13:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 21 13:30:33 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-06-21-13.00.html | 13:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-06-21-13.00.txt | 13:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-06-21-13.00.log.html | 13:30 |
| lbeliveau | bye guys | 13:30 |
| moshele | thanks every one | 13:30 |
| saneax | bye folks | 13:30 |
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| EmilienM | who is chair this week? | 14:00 |
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| EmilienM | if nobody I can run it | 14:01 |
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| ccamacho | o/ | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 21 14:01:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:01 |
| gfidente | thanks EmilienM | 14:01 |
| dprince | EmilienM: you run it | 14:01 |
| saneax | o/ | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | hey folks! | 14:01 |
| karthiks | o/ | 14:01 |
| d0ugal | \o | 14:01 |
| rhallisey | hey | 14:01 |
| marios | \o thanks EmilienM | 14:01 |
| skramaja | hi | 14:01 |
| coolsvap | o/ | 14:01 |
| oneswig | hi | 14:01 |
| tzumainn | hi! | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | #topic agenda | 14:01 |
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| ccamacho | thanks EmilienM! | 14:01 |
| beagles | o/ | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | * bugs | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | * CI | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | * Specs | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | * open discussion | 14:02 |
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| EmilienM | do we have other items for this week? | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | if no one-off items, let's move to bugs | 14:02 |
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| EmilienM | #topic bugs | 14:03 |
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| EmilienM | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 14:03 |
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| trown | o/ | 14:03 |
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| EmilienM | Does anyone have any bugs to mention this week in particular? | 14:03 |
| marios | EmilienM: hey man, fyi/fwiw/as i mentinoed earlier, i am hitting a bunch of bugs for undercloud upgrade, like https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1593736 | 14:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1593736 in tripleo "stable/mitaka to newton undercloud upgrade fails with 'Could not find class ::tripleo::selinux'" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Marios Andreou (marios-b) | 14:04 |
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| EmilienM | it sounds like a packaging issue in OPM | 14:04 |
| marios | EmilienM: i think they are all package issues possible, though i see the fixes landed in master quite a while ago (different for each one, some few weeks old) | 14:04 |
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| EmilienM | but I might be wrong | 14:05 |
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| marios | s/possible/possibly | 14:05 |
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| EmilienM | marios: can you ping jayg (not here) and check if OPM/Mitaka is up to date? | 14:05 |
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| EmilienM | I guess puppet-tripleo needs to be updated | 14:05 |
| marios | EmilienM: ok i think i will file a tracking bug for each one i find (similar to that bug i pointed to, probably i have like 5 in total so far) | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | well | 14:05 |
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| EmilienM | no | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | https://github.com/openstack/puppet-tripleo/tree/stable/mitaka/manifests | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | I don't see selinux.pp | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | so I guess something was not backported | 14:05 |
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| EmilienM | https://github.com/openstack/puppet-tripleo/commit/8e533aaf447022c62865130f2ffc88690f06aef1 | 14:06 |
| marios | EmilienM: right so for some cases it may be backports and i should check mitaka | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | sounds like it was not backported ^ | 14:06 |
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| EmilienM | also check with slagle, he did that patch | 14:06 |
| marios | EmilienM: ack, just fyi cos is bugs /me end :) | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | to make sure we can backport it | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | dprince: do we have CI related bug? | 14:07 |
| EmilienM | everything is still super red on http://tripleo.org/cistatus.html | 14:07 |
| EmilienM | any other outstanding bug this week? | 14:07 |
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| EmilienM | #action marios to investigate selinux backport to mitaka https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1593736 | 14:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1593736 in tripleo "stable/mitaka to newton undercloud upgrade fails with 'Could not find class ::tripleo::selinux'" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Marios Andreou (marios-b) | 14:08 |
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| sshnaidm_ | EmilienM, https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1594732 | 14:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1594732 in tripleo "CI: No connected gearman servers" [Undecided,New] | 14:08 |
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| marios | EmilienM: ack thanks, i'll also file the rest of the issues individually for tracking after this like https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1593182 for example and a few more | 14:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1593182 in tripleo "failed openstack-nova-scheduler after updating undercloud from mitaka to newton packages" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Marios Andreou (marios-b) | 14:09 |
| EmilienM | sshnaidm_: right, this one. Do we have any action on this one? | 14:09 |
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| sshnaidm_ | EmilienM, geard is restarted and running, also submitted a patch to renew it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332123/ | 14:09 |
| sshnaidm_ | EmilienM, if it's installed from pip, it may to resolve the problem | 14:09 |
| EmilienM | #action team to review CI patch to deploy gear from pip https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332123/ | 14:09 |
| sshnaidm_ | EmilienM, if not, will do something to restart it gracefully if possible | 14:09 |
| EmilienM | cool thx | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | can you assign the bug to you please? | 14:10 |
| sshnaidm_ | EmilienM, yep | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | and tag it critical/confirmed | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | thx | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | auto triage FTW | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | anything else for bugs? | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:10 |
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| EmilienM | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | #link https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/newton-2 | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | 3 weeks until n-2 | 14:11 |
| sshnaidm_ | (I can't set its importance, only cores I think) | 14:11 |
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| EmilienM | sshnaidm_: done. | 14:11 |
| coolsvap | sshnaidm_, done! | 14:11 |
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| EmilienM | so 3 weeks before n-2, release is coming fast... Please take some time to do reviews on ongoing work for n2 | 14:12 |
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| EmilienM | If you think you'll miss the n-2 deadline, please move it to n3. | 14:13 |
| EmilienM | any question /blocker about release management? | 14:13 |
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| EmilienM | great let's move to CI | 14:14 |
| coolsvap | EmilienM, nothing blocker as such but i had some queries related to releases of some components | 14:14 |
| EmilienM | #topic CI | 14:14 |
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| coolsvap | maybe later | 14:14 |
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| EmilienM | coolsvap: go ahead? | 14:14 |
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| EmilienM | #undo | 14:14 |
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| EmilienM | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:15 |
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| EmilienM | coolsvap: what's up? | 14:15 |
| coolsvap | I was talking with shardy when he trigrgerred ther release | 14:15 |
| coolsvap | for instack-undercloud | 14:15 |
| coolsvap | and asked me to look for some other projects which also need | 14:15 |
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| coolsvap | i didn't get how to do it for say diskimage-builder | 14:16 |
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| coolsvap | or instack | 14:16 |
| coolsvap | which are independant | 14:16 |
| coolsvap | independent* | 14:16 |
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| marios | coolsvap: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO/ReleaseManagement not sure how up to date that info is, haven't dont it in quite a while | 14:16 |
| EmilienM | coolsvap: https://github.com/openstack/releases/commit/85bfe0c0488a1dfdd046e14b4d27cdd1d2e4c929 | 14:17 |
| marios | coolsvap: i hink it is missing instack-* | 14:17 |
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| EmilienM | look what I did for our first Newton release | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | you can check in https://github.com/openstack/releases/tree/master/deliverables/newton | 14:17 |
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| EmilienM | https://github.com/openstack/releases/blob/master/deliverables/newton/instack.yaml | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | coolsvap: did you have a particular question? | 14:17 |
| gfidente | coolsvap this was independent | 14:18 |
| gfidente | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303986/ | 14:18 |
| gfidente | EmilienM ^^ | 14:18 |
| coolsvap | EmilienM, but instack doesnt have release in mitaka | 14:18 |
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| coolsvap | how to handle that | 14:18 |
| gfidente | coolsvap marios EmilienM we link to that from the ReleaseManagement wiki | 14:18 |
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| gfidente | coolsvap https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303986/ | 14:18 |
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| EmilienM | https://github.com/openstack/releases/blob/master/deliverables/_independent/instack.yaml | 14:18 |
| coolsvap | gfidente, alright | 14:18 |
| EmilienM | you can add it in independent | 14:19 |
| coolsvap | that was my question whether it will remain in independent i have some doubts | 14:19 |
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| EmilienM | yes it will | 14:19 |
| coolsvap | but i will ask on #tripleo | 14:19 |
| EmilienM | cool | 14:19 |
| EmilienM | anything else about releases? | 14:19 |
| EmilienM | #topic CI | 14:19 |
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| EmilienM | regarding liberty CI, upgrade job is still failing | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | I investigated a bit and I found out it was related to ipv6 on upgrade job | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | I tried to run ipv4 on upgrade job for liberty: https://review.openstack.org/329664 but it still fails | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | I have no progress since then ^ | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | if anyone volunteers to help, let me know | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | dprince: can you give an update about CI (derek is offline) | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | slagle: also your status on multi nodes please | 14:21 |
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| slagle | hi | 14:22 |
| slagle | i'm still working on it (and other things) | 14:22 |
| slagle | it's been slow going, due to the networking setup (vxlan tunnels) | 14:23 |
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| slagle | maybe i'll have something up this week | 14:23 |
| EmilienM | slagle: do you have blocker that you need solved from our side ? (composable roles, etc) | 14:23 |
| slagle | i'll at least push some updated patches | 14:23 |
| slagle | EmilienM: not that i know of | 14:23 |
| dprince | we had a CI outage this weekend | 14:24 |
| EmilienM | slagle: ok last week you mentionned "<slagle> which may be possible when composable nova-compute lands" | 14:24 |
| EmilienM | slagle: so I was wondering | 14:24 |
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| slagle | yes, an aio overcloud may be possible | 14:24 |
| EmilienM | dprince: it's the same as we had this morning/night right? | 14:24 |
| slagle | i'll give it a try, but want to make sure i get the networking correct first | 14:24 |
| dprince | The compute host running our "mirror" server died. After rebooting it and cleaning up a bit things are moving again. Although I forgot to run os-collect-config on the compute host after reboot so we need to fix that eventually too | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | slagle: right | 14:25 |
| dprince | EmilienM: no, different issue. Today was the te-broker server which runs gearman | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | ok | 14:25 |
| dprince | anyway, I think things should be running fine now | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | dprince: yeah, will see if using pip to install gear can help | 14:26 |
| dprince | I will watch the gearman until sshnaidm_ bumps the version as discussed earlier | 14:26 |
| EmilienM | and if yes, I would suggest to reach maintainer and try to update it in centos7 | 14:26 |
| EmilienM | anything else about CI? questions? info? | 14:26 |
| EmilienM | #topic specs | 14:27 |
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| karthiks | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo/+spec/tripleo-sriov | 14:27 |
| karthiks | just wanted to confirm if the above spec is accepted for newton ? | 14:28 |
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| EmilienM | karthiks: it sounds like you addressed most of comments | 14:28 |
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| karthiks | yes ... we have uploaded the changes . | 14:29 |
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| karthiks | We are working on the patches. | 14:29 |
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| EmilienM | karthiks: I have serious doubt about making it on time for Newton | 14:29 |
| EmilienM | but I might be wrong | 14:29 |
| karthiks | :) | 14:29 |
| karthiks | we are hopefull :) | 14:30 |
| EmilienM | freeze is ~ August 30th | 14:30 |
| dprince | I think sriov could land in newton just fine | 14:30 |
| EmilienM | so you have ~ 2 months | 14:30 |
| EmilienM | if dprince is confident, cool then :-) | 14:31 |
| dprince | EmilienM: the idea with composable services is actually that we can land things faster hopefully | 14:31 |
| EmilienM | right | 14:31 |
| karthiks | :) | 14:31 |
| dprince | EmilienM: it is only CI which holds up up | 14:31 |
| dprince | us up | 14:31 |
| EmilienM | do we need to talk about other blueprints? | 14:31 |
| skramaja | i have uploaded a spec for iorc changes for kernel boot parameters #https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331564 | 14:31 |
| EmilienM | last week we mentionned composable upgrades | 14:31 |
| skramaja | *ironic | 14:31 |
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| EmilienM | dprince: well, if they have some other specs in ironic, etc... we might not do it on time... | 14:32 |
| skramaja | it is also related to SR-IOV and DPDK changes.. | 14:32 |
| EmilienM | no more spec to discuss? | 14:33 |
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| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open | 14:33 |
| EmilienM | marios, jistr: any update on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319264/ ? | 14:33 |
| EmilienM | Composable Upgrades | 14:34 |
| EmilienM | this one is essential: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo/+spec/overcloud-upgrades | 14:34 |
| jistr | no update, other than the PoCs are being debated in terms of tool selection | 14:34 |
| EmilienM | debated in Gerrit? | 14:34 |
| rhallisey | I guess this would be a good place to bring it up, when do we want to meet again? | 14:34 |
| EmilienM | I don't see much discussion on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319264/ | 14:35 |
| marios | EmilienM: yeah, i think that will likely be updated after we finish the discussion about the overall direction | 14:35 |
| EmilienM | where is happenning the discussion? sorry for dumb question | 14:35 |
| marios | EmilienM: we had a bluejeans call last week (I believe rhallisey extended the invitation to all during last week irc meeting) | 14:35 |
| jistr | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-composable-upgrades-discussion | 14:35 |
| EmilienM | ok excellent ^ | 14:35 |
| jistr | EmilienM: ^ | 14:35 |
| marios | EmilienM: there will likely be another call this week, tbd afaik, possibly tomorrow shardy around? | 14:36 |
| EmilienM | are we going to reach a concensus by n-3 ? | 14:36 |
| marios | EmilienM: hope so :) | 14:36 |
| EmilienM | shardy is travelling | 14:36 |
| rhallisey | EmilienM, ya I think so | 14:36 |
| marios | EmilienM: so actually | 14:36 |
| EmilienM | great | 14:36 |
| marios | EmilienM: i believe the conclusion was | 14:36 |
| marios | EmilienM: yes it would be great to (and given we are talking about direction, not full working implementation) | 14:36 |
| marios | EmilienM: but if mitaka..newton | 14:36 |
| marios | EmilienM: sorry, but for mitaka... newton upgrades, we will use the existing workflow | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | bash scripts, right? | 14:37 |
| marios | EmilienM: for which there is WIP | 14:37 |
| marios | EmilienM: not quite | 14:37 |
| jistr | yea, and non-composable ones | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | ok | 14:37 |
| marios | EmilienM: 3 heat stack updates | 14:37 |
| marios | EmilienM: and some bash scripts :) | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | it makes sense, | 14:37 |
| marios | EmilienM: what could possibly go wrong | 14:38 |
| EmilienM | so you're targetting this work for n..o | 14:38 |
| marios | docs wip at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308985/ | 14:38 |
| marios | EmilienM: yes that was my understanding at least | 14:38 |
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| EmilienM | cool | 14:38 |
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| marios | EmilienM: but anyway, at least the overall direction shouldb be decided in 2/3 weeks !! | 14:38 |
| EmilienM | "pray for upgrades" | 14:39 |
| rhallisey | marios, well depending on what we setting with and when, we could apply some of the work back for this | 14:39 |
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| rhallisey | just a thought | 14:39 |
| rhallisey | may not be within the timeframe though | 14:39 |
| marios | rhallisey: ack, just not concrete yet what we will do ... this is the blocker atm | 14:39 |
| EmilienM | do we have other spec to discuss today? I'll let 30 more sec and go to next topic | 14:40 |
| EmilienM | #topic Open Discussion | 14:40 |
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| chem | I was wondering where the use of the new pacemaker module in tht could fit in regarding specs ?(maybe Add initial next generation HA architecture spec) | 14:41 |
| EmilienM | chem: that's a question for bandini (not here) | 14:41 |
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| chem | oki | 14:42 |
| EmilienM | chem: honestly, I think you can consider the spec good for most of bits | 14:42 |
| EmilienM | chem: ie: most of openstack services won't be managed by pacemaker | 14:42 |
| EmilienM | chem: and take it in consideration in your work | 14:42 |
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| EmilienM | chem: but needs to be confirmed with ha folks | 14:43 |
| bnemec | Would like some more thoughts on dlrn-repo: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/097221.html | 14:43 |
| chem | EmilienM: I know, I just had a meeting with bandini, I just wondered under which umbrella this effort is | 14:43 |
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| EmilienM | chem: ha-lite | 14:43 |
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| EmilienM | bnemec: that's a good proposal, did you have feedback from trown and rdo folks? | 14:45 |
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| bnemec | EmilienM: The only feedback I have so far is from derek on that thread. | 14:45 |
| bnemec | Which is why I'm bringing it up here. :-) | 14:46 |
| EmilienM | great | 14:46 |
| EmilienM | I would get in touch with trown & other rdo folks for this one | 14:46 |
| trown | ya I am less sure that is something needed in RDO | 14:46 |
| trown | the convoluted repo setup is specific to tripleo-ci | 14:47 |
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| EmilienM | I'll let this meeting open 30 more seconds unless something comes up | 14:47 |
| trown | now, whether that mini python app is better than what is in tripleo.sh is up for debate, and I dont really have any opinion on it | 14:47 |
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| EmilienM | ok thanks folks | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | thanks | 14:49 |
| EmilienM | have a great week | 14:49 |
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| EmilienM | #endmeeting | 14:49 |
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| saneax | thanks folks | 14:49 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 21 14:49:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-06-21-14.01.html | 14:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-06-21-14.01.txt | 14:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-06-21-14.01.log.html | 14:49 |
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| steve_ruan | hi | 14:56 |
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| tmorin | hi steve_ruan | 15:04 |
| tmorin | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 21 15:04:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:04 |
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| tmorin | hi matrohon doude mickeys pcarver michchap wdeclercq | 15:04 |
| mickeys | hi | 15:05 |
| wdeclercq | o/ | 15:05 |
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| pcarver | hi. Double booked in another meeting again | 15:05 |
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| doude | hi | 15:05 |
| tmorin | pcarver: ok, np | 15:05 |
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| michchap | tmorin: hi | 15:06 |
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| tmorin | what do we have on our agenda ? | 15:07 |
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| tmorin | I see: horizon work, i18n things, RT/RD regex fix, some doc and test updates | 15:08 |
| tmorin | anything else ? | 15:08 |
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| tmorin | let's start | 15:09 |
| tmorin | #topic horizon | 15:09 |
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| tmorin | the change adding the horizon plugin (admin workflow only for now) is mostly ready after a few respins | 15:10 |
| tmorin | matrohon has to do his review, I'm optimistic that the work is mostly done | 15:10 |
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| matrohon | I know, shame on me :( | 15:11 |
| tmorin | yes, since cedric will follow up with the tenant workflow, so it would be nice if you can feedback on this first step | 15:12 |
| tmorin | #topic i18n | 15:12 |
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| matrohon | I had a first look, should we wait for the doc in this patch? | 15:12 |
| tmorin | no, the doc can come later I think | 15:13 |
| tmorin | #undo | 15:13 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x7fc2af1e4790> | 15:13 |
| tmorin | #topic i18n | 15:13 |
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| tmorin | I merged yesterday a simple change to not import neutron.i18n anymore | 15:13 |
| tmorin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331710/ | 15:14 |
| tmorin | not much to say about that... | 15:14 |
| tmorin | #topic RT/RD regex | 15:14 |
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| tmorin | Thomas Monguillon contributed code to fix a limitation we had | 15:14 |
| tmorin | we were not supporting all the different formats for RT/RDs | 15:15 |
| tmorin | we merged the fix a few minutes ago | 15:15 |
| tmorin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331159/ | 15:15 |
| tmorin | #topic doc/test updates | 15:16 |
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| tmorin | we also merged a few doc and unit test additions | 15:16 |
| tmorin | not much to say about these | 15:16 |
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| tmorin | #topic bugs | 15:16 |
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| tmorin | there were a few discussions last week around a few bug reports | 15:17 |
| tmorin | #topic VNI in the API | 15:17 |
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| tmorin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/1590908 | 15:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1590908 in bgpvpn "[RFE] Add 'VNI' column in bgpvpns table in Neutron database." [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Siddanagouda Khot (siddanmk) | 15:17 |
| tmorin | mickeys: do you want to comment more ? | 15:17 |
| mickeys | Yes, I was just looking at your response. I am composing a reply. | 15:18 |
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| steve_ruan | Hi tmorin, | 15:18 |
| tmorin | this discussion related to the addition of the VNI field, which is needed by the BGP DR project E-VPN extension | 15:18 |
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| mickeys | The question is the nature of the constraint. | 15:18 |
| steve_ruan | coding is almost finished, will send for review soon | 15:18 |
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| mickeys | One part is the forward and reverse directions using the same VNI. | 15:19 |
| tmorin | steve_ruan: good - let me assign you to the bug | 15:19 |
| mickeys | I think one aspect is that EVPN can be used for both L2 and L3 connectivity. In the case of association with a router, it is L3 connectivity. | 15:19 |
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| steve_ruan | thanks | 15:19 |
| mickeys | That router can be connected to multiple VNIs, each representing a separate connection to an L2 network. | 15:19 |
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| mickeys | I am referring to EVPN prefix advertisement specifically. | 15:20 |
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| tmorin | mickeys: I'm not sure I have a clear understanding of what you mean by "a router can be connected to multiple VNIs" | 15:23 |
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| mickeys | A tenant has a router. Behind the router are multiple tenant networks. On the other side of the router there are two networks. One is the external gateway network that connects to the internet. Another network connects to the tenant VRF instance on the upstream physical router. Both of the latter two can be VXLAN-based, with different VNIs. | 15:24 |
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| tmorin | mickeys: yes, at this point of the description, BGPVPN would be involved only for "Another network connects to the tenant VRF instance" | 15:26 |
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| mickeys | Initially that is how we plan to deploy it. However, we have had some internal discussion of supporting the external gateway network eventually becoming just another BGPVPN, with one shared VNI for internet connectivity. | 15:28 |
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| mickeys | I guess this brings up questions about the L2 versus L3 semantics of router associations, and of EVPN prefix advertisement. | 15:33 |
| tmorin | mickeys: I'm trying to understand how we could reconciliate what it seems you would like to do (associate a router to two BGPVPNs that specify a distinct VNI) with what we had initially described (reflect hardware VXLAN limitations and prevent processing a route for a Router/Network associated to two BGPVPNs specifying a different VNI) | 15:33 |
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| tmorin | there are a few questions that I have | 15:35 |
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| tmorin | first, where does your need for controlling the VNI come from ? | 15:36 |
| tmorin | second, could you instead, of associating a Router to the two BGPVPNs, associate each of the specific Network to one of the BGPVPNs ? | 15:36 |
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| mickeys | tmorin: Partly due to the way Neutron defines networks statically. Partly for interoperability with upstream physical routers. | 15:38 |
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| mickeys | tmorin: I agree with one VNI per L2 network. | 15:38 |
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| mickeys | tmorin: We don't seem to view a router association in the same way. If you associate multiple networks with a BGPVPN, are you routing or bridging between the multiple networks and the VNI? If you associate a router with a BGPVPN, are you routing or bridging between the multiple networks and the VNI? | 15:39 |
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| mickeys | tmorin: In case of a router association, we expect to route between the networks attached to the router, and the VNI. | 15:40 |
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| tmorin | "If you associate multiple networks with a BGPVPN, are you routing or bridging between the multiple networks and the VNI?" => route if l3 BGPVPN, bridge if l2 BGPVPN | 15:41 |
| mickeys | tmorin: If you use that definition, then EVPN can be both l2 and l3 | 15:42 |
| tmorin | "If you associate a router with a BGPVPN, are you routing or bridging between the multiple networks and the VNI?" => route (only applies to type l3 BGPVPN) | 15:42 |
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| mickeys | tmorin: And in that case, I don't understand what a router association to a l2 BGPVPN is | 15:42 |
| tmorin | but whether E-VPN is routing or bridging is a nearly-theological question, right ? ;) | 15:43 |
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| mickeys | If you want to call it l3 EVPN, with the constraint to a single VNI specific to l2 EVPN, I am fine with that | 15:43 |
| tmorin | mickeys: as currently described in the API, a Router association to an l2 BGPVPN is not supported | 15:43 |
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| tmorin | yes, since it setups connectivity outside a given subnet, I believe the EVPN prefixes spec provide l3 connectivity | 15:44 |
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| mickeys | tmorin: With this approach, we need EVPN to be separate from type, i.e. we need 'technique' | 15:46 |
| tmorin | mickeys: this is perfectly acceptable, evpn-prefixes is actually the one example we have for technique | 15:46 |
| mickeys | tmorin: Yes I see that | 15:47 |
| tmorin | getting back to my earlier question: where would it break if you associated your Router to (one or two) BGPVPNs without specifying the VNI ? | 15:47 |
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| tmorin | it seems that the VNI would only be derived from what is advertised in the route | 15:47 |
| mickeys | The only thing that did not make sense to me is that in the examples, you have GET /bgpvpn/techniques. I think we need this on each bgpvpn, not just as a capability. | 15:48 |
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| tmorin | you would still be able to honor/use the VNI advertised in E-VPN routes by upstream physical routers | 15:48 |
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| tmorin | mickeys: we described both (listing the proposed techniques *and* specifying a technique per BGPVPN) | 15:48 |
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| tmorin | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/networking-bgpvpn/future/attributes.html | 15:49 |
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| mickeys | tmorin: Regarding 'technique', both is good. I only see GET /bgpvpn/techniques in the link right now. | 15:50 |
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| tmorin | pursing my reasoning above: without an ability to specify the VNI, you may however advertise routes that the upstream router, *if* it has a limitation of a fixed VNI per VPN, would not be able to honor -- is this an issue you need to address ? | 15:50 |
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| tmorin | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/networking-bgpvpn/future/attributes.html --> first table lists 'technique' as an attribute of BGPVPN | 15:50 |
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| tmorin | I now see that its not explicitly said that we talk about attributes *of the BGPVPN resource* | 15:51 |
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| tmorin | but well, this is the only resource that has attributes in the API today | 15:51 |
| mickeys | tmorin: In the Neutron Dynamic Routing EVPN implementation, we are treating the entire transit network between the Neutron router and the upstream physical router as a static thing. A user has to create the network statically with a single VNI, create a bgpvpn listing that VNI, add a router interface to that VNI, and associate the router with the bgpvpn | 15:51 |
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| mickeys | tmorin: And yes, I blurred the lines a bit between admin and tenant with regard to all those things that have to be created. | 15:53 |
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| mickeys | tmorin: This is all clarified in the Neutron Dynamic Routing EVPN spec | 15:53 |
| tmorin | mickeys: yes, this is the proposal that you currently have -- I'm trying to understand why each thing is needed | 15:53 |
| tmorin | mickeys: perhaps using "has same VNI" as the things that binds the different things together, is not the right approach | 15:54 |
| mickeys | tmorin: Typically interfaces on Neutron routers are defined statically, to L2 networks that are defined statically | 15:54 |
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| mickeys | tmorin: This is also a way to achieve same VNI for forward and reverse directions. | 15:55 |
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| mickeys | tmorin: I guess in terms of l2 bgpvpns, I am having trouble wrapping my head around the notion of associating a single network with multiple bgpvpns | 15:56 |
| mickeys | tmorin: For l3, each bgpvpn represents different l2 connectivity and so can have a different VNI | 15:57 |
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| tmorin | mickeys: in practice it boils down to merging import RT lists and export RT lists, the result in terms of what connectivity you achieve, depend on what you'll find in the merged lists | 15:58 |
| tmorin | mickeys: it's not easily summarized in a conceptually simpler way | 15:59 |
| tmorin | I'm not sure what you mean by "For l3, each bgpvpn represents different l2 connectivity" | 15:59 |
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| tmorin | l3 BGPVPN relate to IP connectivity, nothing l2 in there | 15:59 |
| mickeys | tmorin: You can have multiple bgpvpns, each with different VNIs. In case of EVPN prefix, there is L2 wrapped around the L3. The encap is L2, and this brings some baggage with it. | 16:00 |
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| hongbin | Hi folks, sorry. We need to start the Magnum meeting now | 16:01 |
| tmorin | yes, sorry | 16:01 |
| tmorin | mickeys: do you want to follow up in #openstack-net-bgpvpn ? | 16:02 |
| mickeys | ok | 16:02 |
| tmorin | thanks everyone | 16:02 |
| tmorin | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 21 16:02:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-06-21-15.04.html | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-06-21-15.04.txt | 16:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-06-21-15.04.log.html | 16:02 |
| hongbin | #startmeeting containers | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 21 16:02:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:02 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-06-21_1600_UTC Today's agenda | 16:02 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 16:03 |
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| mkrai | Madhuri Kumari | 16:03 |
| strigazi | Spyros Trigazis | 16:03 |
| tango | Ton Ngo | 16:03 |
| vijendar | o/ | 16:03 |
| dane_leblanc | o/ | 16:03 |
| Zucan | o/ | 16:03 |
| rpothier | Rob Pothier | 16:03 |
| hongbin | Thanks for joining the meeting mkrai strigazi tango vijendar dane_leblanc Zucan rpothier | 16:04 |
| hongbin | Pause a few seconds for late attendee | 16:05 |
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| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 16:05 |
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| hongbin | I have no annoucement | 16:05 |
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| hongbin | Any annoucement from our team member? | 16:06 |
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| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 16:06 |
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| hongbin | 1. hongbin follow up with neutron-lbaas team to produce a operator-facing installation guid (DONE) | 16:06 |
| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/097367.html | 16:06 |
| hongbin | #link http://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/networking-guide/adv-config-lbaas.html Neutron-lbaas install guide | 16:06 |
| lrensing | o/ | 16:07 |
| hongbin | The doc team pointed to an official neutron-lbaas guide | 16:07 |
| diga | o/ | 16:07 |
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| hongbin | strigazi: It seems we should point to that guide instead? | 16:08 |
| strigazi | it's for v2 though | 16:08 |
| hongbin | I believe we will upgrade to v2 soon | 16:08 |
| strigazi | ok, before the next cycle I'll update | 16:08 |
| hongbin | Then, we can use that guide instead | 16:08 |
| hongbin | ok | 16:09 |
| hongbin | 2. hongbin create a doodle pool to select a location (DONE by strigazi) | 16:09 |
| hongbin | #link http://doodle.com/poll/2x9utspir7vk8ter | 16:09 |
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| hongbin | We will re-visit this later in the agenda | 16:09 |
| hongbin | Any comment for the review action item? | 16:09 |
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| hongbin | #topic Essential Blueprints Review | 16:10 |
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| hongbin | 1. Support baremetal container clusters (strigazi) | 16:10 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-baremetal-full-support | 16:10 |
| strigazi | yuanying fixed the template | 16:10 |
| strigazi | I managed to create a bay in ironic as well | 16:10 |
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| hongbin | great! | 16:11 |
| strigazi | tango: create the images | 16:11 |
| strigazi | *created | 16:11 |
| hongbin | link to the image? | 16:11 |
| strigazi | the images are already uploaded | 16:11 |
| tango | It's on the Fedora site | 16:11 |
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| strigazi | https://fedorapeople.org/groups/magnum/ | 16:11 |
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| strigazi | fedora-23-* | 16:11 |
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| strigazi | fedora-23-kunernetes* | 16:12 |
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| strigazi | There are two iminent issues, as pointed out by yuanying | 16:12 |
| strigazi | instance_info must be modified to LONGTEXT in itonic table | 16:13 |
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| strigazi | and the second is not really an issue. subnets must be updated with dns_nameserver | 16:13 |
| strigazi | finally, | 16:14 |
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| strigazi | I posted instructions in the ML as well if someone wants to test it | 16:14 |
| strigazi | that's it | 16:14 |
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| strigazi | I'll update the whiteboard accordingly | 16:14 |
| hongbin | strigazi: sorry, I might miss it. Could you point to the instruction you posted? | 16:14 |
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| hongbin | BTW, one minor suggestion for the image name, since https://fedorapeople.org/groups/magnum/ has many images, it is unclear to me which one is Ironic | 16:15 |
| strigazi | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/097759.html | 16:15 |
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| tango | Let me add some note to the README | 16:16 |
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| hongbin | I guess we'd better to create a "ironic" folder? or add a "-ironic" suffix? | 16:16 |
| tango | OK, good point | 16:16 |
| tango | there are 3 images for Ironic, used together | 16:16 |
| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/097759.html | 16:16 |
| hongbin | tango: ack | 16:16 |
| strigazi | btw | 16:17 |
| hongbin | strigazi: any chance to turn http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/097759.html to the user guide? | 16:17 |
| strigazi | we should add checksums | 16:17 |
| strigazi | for the images | 16:17 |
| strigazi | hongbin ack | 16:17 |
| tango | ok, will do | 16:17 |
| hongbin | Thanks strigazi and tango | 16:17 |
| tango | So is it time to write some doc for Ironic yet? | 16:18 |
| tango | or we still have work to do? | 16:18 |
| strigazi | We have work to do, but we are pretty close | 16:18 |
| tango | ok | 16:18 |
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| strigazi | We need tests cause other patches might break ti | 16:18 |
| strigazi | s/ti/it | 16:19 |
| muralia | o/ | 16:19 |
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| hongbin | Yes, need to setup the gate to test Ironic | 16:19 |
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| hongbin | That deserved another BP | 16:19 |
| hongbin | (maybe) | 16:19 |
| tango | +1 | 16:19 |
| hongbin | OK. Any comment for the Ironic BP? | 16:20 |
| strigazi | we might be able to add a rally job soon | 16:20 |
| hongbin | strigazi: That would be great | 16:20 |
| hongbin | 2. Magnum User Guide for Cloud Operator (tango) | 16:20 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/user-guide | 16:20 |
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| tango | The Kubernetes section was merged, at least the initial version. I expect it will be updated frequently | 16:21 |
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| tango | The Swarm section got good feedback | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | :-) | 16:21 |
| tango | it has bee updated as suggested | 16:21 |
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| tango | s/bee/been | 16:22 |
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| tango | I am almost done with the section on baymodel, will upload the patch later today | 16:22 |
| tango | then after that the section on bay | 16:22 |
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| tango | that's all for now | 16:22 |
| muralia | so i have a question about the bay driver section. the only part missing is a sample driver. | 16:22 |
| muralia | do we need that section? | 16:23 |
| muralia | cant users look at existing drivers | 16:23 |
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| tango | It's a thought I want to put out to the team | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | Maybe something like "how to make your own driver" | 16:23 |
| tango | I was thinking about something simple like a hello-world bay driver | 16:23 |
| muralia | or just point to an existing driver. the doc currently says we'll add a sample driver which uses just docker. | 16:23 |
| tango | Well, it will be easy for us to just point to the existing driver, but these can be a bit complicated | 16:24 |
| tango | something minimal to get people started might be easier to digest | 16:25 |
| tango | but we don't have to do this at the beginning | 16:25 |
| hongbin | tango: +1 | 16:25 |
| muralia | ok. how about we merge the existing patch and revisit this section later. it might take a while for me to work on that section. or i could use some help from you tango | 16:25 |
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| tango | Yes, we can leave this for later | 16:25 |
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| muralia | ok. i'll remove the WIP on the commit so we can merge it | 16:26 |
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| tango | Sure, I will keep it in mind and will probably try to put the same bay driver together | 16:26 |
| tango | it will be a good test of our methodology tood | 16:26 |
| tango | s/same/sample | 16:27 |
| hongbin | Thanks tango | 16:27 |
| hongbin | There are lots of progress on the user guide. Thanks Ton for the hard work. | 16:27 |
| hongbin | 3. COE Bay Drivers (jamie_h, muralia) | 16:27 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/bay-drivers | 16:27 |
| muralia | so the image scripts for fedora atomic got merged. | 16:28 |
| muralia | im currently working on updating my refactor as some new code got merged since i moved stuff | 16:28 |
| muralia | im also working on removing hardcoded references to the template and class paths | 16:28 |
| muralia | we can discover them automatically as we have a well known folder structure | 16:29 |
| muralia | will submit an updated patch soon. | 16:29 |
| muralia | thats all for me | 16:29 |
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| hongbin | thanks muralia | 16:29 |
| hongbin | comments? | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | thanks for all your work on this! | 16:29 |
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| hongbin | 4. Create a magnum installation guide (strigazi) | 16:30 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-installation-guide | 16:30 |
| strigazi | Today there was a meeting for the install guide | 16:30 |
| strigazi | I pointed the docteam to our guide | 16:31 |
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| strigazi | and they said it looks good | 16:31 |
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| hongbin | That is great | 16:31 |
| strigazi | I'll add new distros soon but we could merge one distro at a time | 16:32 |
| strigazi | also there are suse packages | 16:32 |
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| strigazi | updated from the rdo packages | 16:32 |
| strigazi | for ubuntu/debian | 16:32 |
| strigazi | I have to build the manually cause they are outdated | 16:33 |
| strigazi | It's not easy at all | 16:33 |
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| strigazi | that's all | 16:33 |
| hongbin | strigazi: For the ubuntu/debian, any specific issue for the packages? | 16:33 |
| hongbin | Or it is just the version is too old? | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | strigazi: the suse ones or the debian ones are not easy? | 16:34 |
| strigazi | debian | 16:34 |
| strigazi | suse has weekly builds | 16:34 |
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| adrian_otto | zigo may be able to assist if you get stuck | 16:34 |
| zigo | o/ | 16:34 |
| zigo | Help for? | 16:34 |
| hongbin | zigo: we are talking about the debian packages for Magnum | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | building magnum packages for debian. strigazi is working on that. | 16:35 |
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| strigazi | build packages from master | 16:35 |
| zigo | I'd be happy to help as much as I can, though for being able to build for master, I need the packaging-deb stuff to be ongoing, and that needs help from -infra. | 16:36 |
| zigo | Feel free to push them to help me making it a reality. | 16:36 |
| hongbin | Thanks zigo | 16:36 |
| strigazi | I'd like some help to test them locally first | 16:36 |
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| zigo | strigazi: Be my guest, I have all the scripting in place to do it, I can help you doing that in /query later on. | 16:37 |
| strigazi | zigo: thanks | 16:37 |
| hongbin | thanks strigazi zigo | 16:38 |
| hongbin | other comments? | 16:38 |
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| hongbin | #topic Magnum UI Subteam Update (bradjones) | 16:38 |
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| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/097417.html Change in magnum-ui core team | 16:38 |
| hongbin | + Thai Tran | 16:38 |
| hongbin | - David Lyle | 16:38 |
| hongbin | - Harsh Shah | 16:38 |
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| hongbin | - Ritesh | 16:38 |
| hongbin | - Adrian Otto (agreed to be removed) | 16:39 |
| hongbin | Thanks all for voting to approve the change | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | Mine was duplicative because of membership in magnum-core | 16:39 |
| hongbin | yes | 16:39 |
| hongbin | any other comment fro that? | 16:40 |
| hongbin | Thai has been providing useful comments for magnum-ui patches, I believe the adding him will help the mangnum-ui team a lot | 16:40 |
| hongbin | #topic Kuryr Integration Update (tango) | 16:41 |
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| tango | Hongbin and I attended the Kuryr meeting yesterday | 16:41 |
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| tango | I updated them on our integration of Kuryr to Swarm bay | 16:42 |
| tango | They confirmed the container image for Kuryr | 16:42 |
| tango | I also mentioned about running the openvswitch agent as container, and they saw no issue with that | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | that's a good idea | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | as long as it uses --net host | 16:44 |
| tango | This approach should allow us to continune using the stock fedora atomic image and avoid building custom image | 16:44 |
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| strigazi | A slightly of topic: Is kuryr going to be a hard dependency? | 16:45 |
| hongbin | strigazi: No. End-users can choose to use flannel | 16:45 |
| tango | No, only if the user wants to use libnetwork or CNI | 16:45 |
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| strigazi | ok | 16:45 |
| tango | it's an optional network driver | 16:45 |
| hongbin | We knew how bad a hard dependency are | 16:46 |
| hongbin | Better to avoid :) | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | we do plan to use kuryr by default, right? | 16:46 |
| strigazi | :) | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | but not a hard dependency | 16:46 |
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| tango | Well, that's something we can decide | 16:46 |
| tango | I would think eventually, advanced networking would be common place | 16:47 |
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| tango | so it's up to us to decide when to make it a default | 16:47 |
| hongbin | Yes, we can revisit teh default later | 16:47 |
| hongbin | Thanks tango for syncing with Kuryr team | 16:48 |
| hongbin | #topic Other blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas | 16:48 |
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| hongbin | 1. Midcycle | 16:48 |
| hongbin | #link http://doodle.com/poll/2x9utspir7vk8ter Choose location | 16:48 |
| hongbin | #link http://doodle.com/poll/5tbcyc37yb7ckiec Choose date | 16:48 |
| hongbin | For the location, it looks Austin get more votes | 16:49 |
| hongbin | If we go to Austin, it looks Ton and Egor are not able to make it? | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | so if we select Austin, is there any possibility that Egor and Ton can find a way to attend? | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | same question, LOL | 16:50 |
| hongbin | tango: ^^ | 16:50 |
| tango | I should be able too, I was mainly concerned about the heat :) | 16:50 |
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| tango | but I can make it up with more BBQ | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | I can assure you that the air conditioning works great there | 16:51 |
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| tango | and all the flooding :) | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | that's good news. | 16:51 |
| tango | but I will plan to be there | 16:51 |
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| adrian_otto | hongbin: ok to select Austin? | 16:52 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: yes. I am fine | 16:52 |
| strigazi | so 4-5 of August at Austin? | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | We will need to confirm which dates we can accommodate there, but we can select a tentative date today. | 16:52 |
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| hongbin | #link http://doodle.com/poll/5tbcyc37yb7ckiec | 16:53 |
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| adrian_otto | and either muralia or I can send a note to the ML confirming the date, and include the address of the location | 16:53 |
| hongbin | By the result, it looks Aug 4-5 is free for everyone | 16:53 |
| strigazi | we have 7 votes for 2 to 5 of August | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | yes, that's the best date | 16:53 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: mind take an AI to confirm the date and location? | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | I am on vacation this week, so I asked murali to assist | 16:54 |
| hongbin | muralia: ^^ | 16:55 |
| muralia | yup. | 16:55 |
| muralia | i'll work with you hongbin | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | thanks muralia ! | 16:55 |
| hongbin | #action muralia confirm the date and location for the Magnum midcycle | 16:55 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 16:55 |
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| muralia | so i want to bring up the asyn bay apis | 16:55 |
| muralia | we have a patch up there https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330771/ | 16:56 |
| muralia | i'll like to get feedback from you folks | 16:56 |
| vijendar | thanks muralia… I am about to ping about that patch | 16:56 |
| mkrai_ | I also want to bring up an issue with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322800/ | 16:56 |
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| mkrai_ | vijendar: please go ahead | 16:57 |
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| vijendar | this patch is to support async bay create and delete | 16:57 |
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| mkrai_ | Ok so while bay delete certificates is not deleted with barbican | 16:58 |
| vijendar | I marked it as WIP because did not fix the tests | 16:58 |
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| diga | anyone working on cinder/swipt implementation for container ? | 16:58 |
| mkrai_ | https://github.com/openstack/magnum/blob/master/magnum/common/cert_manager/barbican_cert_manager.py#L207 because currently we are just deregistering it | 16:58 |
| mkrai_ | Ok I will put this in ML | 16:59 |
| hongbin | Sorry, folks. Time is up | 16:59 |
| mkrai_ | Thanks! | 16:59 |
| hongbin | Overflow on the #openstack-containers channel | 16:59 |
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| hongbin | All, thanks for joining the meeting | 16:59 |
| hongbin | #endmeetings | 16:59 |
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| diga | hongbin: lets talk on containers | 16:59 |
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| hongbin | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 21 16:59:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-06-21-16.02.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-06-21-16.02.txt | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-06-21-16.02.log.html | 17:00 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 21 17:00:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
| Nikolay_St | o/ | 17:00 |
| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:00 |
| oshykhkerimov | o/ | 17:00 |
| ddovbii__ | o/ | 17:01 |
| vakovalchuk | o/ | 17:01 |
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| zhurong | o/ | 17:01 |
| freerunner | \o/ | 17:01 |
| StanLagun | o/ | 17:02 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda | 17:02 |
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| sergmelikyan | :) | 17:02 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Action Items Review | 17:02 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I think we had a couple, didn't we? | 17:02 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | 1) kzaitsev_mb vakovalchuk see that backports from prev review iteration are merged after stable/mitaka is unlocked | 17:02 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | they're on the review last time i checked | 17:03 |
| vakovalchuk | I guess they are merged already | 17:03 |
| kzaitsev_mb | oh, cool | 17:03 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so done then | 17:03 |
| kzaitsev_mb | 2) Nikolay_St test convergence on our CI and get ready to enable it | 17:03 |
| Nikolay_St | not ready yet | 17:04 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St: is it time to turn the switch? | 17:04 |
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| Nikolay_St | I don't test it on second host as I want to do, but we can switch and just be prepared for troubles | 17:05 |
| Nikolay_St | if any | 17:05 |
| kzaitsev_mb | hah ) | 17:05 |
| kzaitsev_mb | it's not n2 yet, so I'm ok with waiting a bit longer | 17:06 |
| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: I'll try to do my best for enabling it on test host this week | 17:06 |
| Nikolay_St | just realized that blocked dashboard is not really blocker for that | 17:07 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #action Nikolay_St check convergence on 2d CI host and enable it | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | np ) | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | like I said we're not in a hurry here, just good to remember that we have this task on the horizon | 17:08 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok, on to our 1st topic | 17:08 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Migration to Glance V2 API | 17:08 |
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| Nikolay_St | ok | 17:08 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St: can you share a link to the bp you've created | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ? | 17:09 |
| Nikolay_St | #link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/migrate-to-glance-v2 | 17:09 |
| Nikolay_St | I added this topic and created this bp because now it's clear that glance community won't add 'copy-from' operation to V2 API | 17:10 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so my real problem with it is that this is a *huge* degrading of the UX | 17:10 |
| kzaitsev_mb | However we would be forsed to abandon v1 at some point =( | 17:11 |
| Nikolay_St | mfedosin: are you here? | 17:11 |
| kzaitsev_mb | So for the CLI I would suggest to not download the images y default and have a switch for that | 17:11 |
| mfedosin | Nikolay_St: o/ | 17:12 |
| kzaitsev_mb | like --download-images={yes,no} | 17:12 |
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| Nikolay_St | mfedosin: we discuss migration to Glance v2 for murano | 17:12 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: StanLagun: ^^^ | 17:12 |
| Nikolay_St | Nikolay_St: looks valid for me | 17:12 |
| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: ^^ | 17:12 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | and keep v1 behaviour untouched (i.e. still use copy-from) | 17:13 |
| mfedosin | I'm not sure, but saving data to temporary folder is not necessary | 17:14 |
| kzaitsev_mb | because well, downloading a 5 GB image and then uploading it to glance would take a lot of time | 17:14 |
| mfedosin | you just can open stream from given location and pass it to glance | 17:14 |
| mfedosin | it should work | 17:14 |
| Nikolay_St | mfedosin: what do you mean under 'open stream'? | 17:15 |
| StanLagun | It will still download it locally. You cannot transfer stream hadle over the wire | 17:15 |
| kzaitsev_mb | mfedosin: I'm not sure it's a good idea, since it would mean any error on any side would break the transfer | 17:15 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | StanLagun: true, although we can do it chunk by chunk | 17:16 |
| kzaitsev_mb | but that is still a very error-prone way IMO | 17:16 |
| mfedosin | we wanted to implement it in glanceclient, but the idea was rejected | 17:16 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sad =( | 17:16 |
| mfedosin | I mean when you use copy-from in glance v1 it doesn't store any data locally | 17:16 |
| StanLagun | yes. I don't think it is a big deal. Local machine acts as a proxy in this scheme | 17:16 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | StanLagun: the biggest deal is that the process of importing a package suddenly takes 5 mins or more, depending on the image size/bandwidth | 17:17 |
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| StanLagun | That's okay. I hate the fact that we report that everything is imported when in fact it is not | 17:18 |
| kzaitsev_mb | StanLagun: we don't =) we say, that we've scheduled them for reporting | 17:18 |
| StanLagun | So as long as we don't consume gigs of hdd space locally I'm okay with that | 17:18 |
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| sergmelikyan | We report that we started downloading image, and you can't deploy app until it's uploaded | 17:18 |
| kzaitsev_mb | StanLagun: and I disagree with you that it's ok | 17:18 |
| kzaitsev_mb | it's a UX killer | 17:18 |
| sergmelikyan | +1 | 17:18 |
| sergmelikyan | this will require to change a lot's of staff in Murano to make this acceptable | 17:19 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Also this doesn't solve the dashboard at all, but | 17:19 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I think I saw tsufiev's commit on that | 17:19 |
| kzaitsev_mb | mfedosin: do you have a link at hand? | 17:19 |
| mfedosin | kzaitsev_mb: unfortunately no | 17:20 |
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| StanLagun | if you cannot deploy apps that you need to wait anyway. I mean it is the matter of implementation. Of you block user from navigating to other pages then it's not good. If this is a background task with a progress bar in murano UI then nothing wrong here | 17:20 |
| mfedosin | at least you can use glance v1 way and use glance_store to get data and pass it local storage | 17:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320039/12 | 17:21 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | mfedosin: that doesn't sound like a viable solution to me | 17:21 |
| mfedosin | anyway... | 17:22 |
| mfedosin | #link https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/b9de463ee8c37c27e834a219367732b2177411a9/glance/api/v1/images.py#L654-L658 | 17:22 |
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| mfedosin | and then just | 17:22 |
| mfedosin | #link https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/b9de463ee8c37c27e834a219367732b2177411a9/glance/api/v1/images.py#L689-L690 | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | there is a reason it starts with _ you know | 17:22 |
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| mfedosin | kzaitsev_mb: and I think you shouldn't expose it to public as well :) | 17:23 |
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| mfedosin | I'll review tsufiev's solution and provide a feedback | 17:24 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | We can also fork a new process for downloading/proxying the image in the CLI | 17:24 |
| kzaitsev_mb | how bad does that sound? | 17:25 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | just asked tsufiev — he just removed copy-from in horizon | 17:26 |
| kzaitsev_mb | =( | 17:26 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | yeah, that doesn't really leave us much option | 17:28 |
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| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: yeah, i discussed it with him | 17:29 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I wonder how uploading huge images works in horizon though | 17:30 |
| kzaitsev_mb | mfedosin: hey, does glare solve that in any form? =) | 17:31 |
| kzaitsev_mb | like can I instruct glare to upload a BLOG from a http location? | 17:31 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I believe tsufiev has implemented uploading of huge images without blocking the UI somehow | 17:33 |
| kzaitsev_mb | gotta ask him on that ) | 17:33 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev_mb ask tsufiev/horizon team about the possibility to upload huge images without blocking the UI | 17:34 |
| kzaitsev_mb | as for the CLI | 17:34 |
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| sergmelikyan | this whole thing really can make implementation in Murano much more complex that it was before | 17:34 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I tend to agree with StanLagun's idea that proxying an image is better then downloading | 17:35 |
| sergmelikyan | I am wondering what was the reason behind so handy feature of removing this from glance v2 | 17:35 |
| kzaitsev_mb | althoug it will make code more complex | 17:35 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | any objections to that? | 17:35 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: personally I wonder what was the reason to deprecate an API that provided better functionality ) | 17:36 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I also suggest to add a --download images switch | 17:37 |
| kzaitsev_mb | oh, that's actually a lot | 17:37 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I guess we can write a spec for this | 17:38 |
| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: that's a good idea | 17:38 |
| sergmelikyan | is there a way to use glance_store directly? | 17:38 |
| sergmelikyan | to upload staff? | 17:38 |
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| sergmelikyan | to upload staff and than point glance to it? | 17:38 |
| StanLagun | I thought it is what glance client does | 17:39 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: sure, but that would mean we have to re-write part of the v1 client and I'm not sure that it would help us | 17:39 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | it would still be muranoclient, that handles the long-term communication, right? | 17:40 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | meaning the CLI/dashboard would be blocked, unless we fork/thread-out | 17:40 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok, I suggest Nikolay_St and I would draft a spec and we would list all the possible solutions there | 17:42 |
| StanLagun | we could have import written in MuranoPL similar to long running deployments with reporting etc. | 17:42 |
| kzaitsev_mb | because I doubt we would get to any meaningfull conclusion right now (= | 17:42 |
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| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: I agrre on that | 17:43 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #action Nikolay_St kzaitsev_mb draft a spec with all the options we have considering swtiching from glance v1 to glance v2 | 17:44 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St, thanks for bringing this up | 17:44 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok, it's 2 weeks already since we last checked backports | 17:45 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | we haven't added anything regarding that to Murano Agenda, but I'll use #topic ) | 17:46 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic backports | 17:46 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | vakovalchuk: can you share a link to the etherpad? =) | 17:46 |
| vakovalchuk | just a sec | 17:46 |
| vakovalchuk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-stable-backports | 17:47 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I haven't really had time to check the list yet ) | 17:47 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | So let's follow the usual procedure here — we have a couple of days to write comments, if you think we've missed something or that some patch is not worthy of being backported (i.e. too low or actualy is a feature) — please write that as comments to the etherpad =) | 17:49 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | vakovalchuk and I would get to backporting those by the end of the week =) | 17:50 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I think there are a couple of low bugs there, that can be skipped, but like I said I haven't really checked those yet ) | 17:50 |
| kzaitsev_mb | vakovalchuk, thanks a lot for keeping this procedure going =) | 17:51 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Open Discussion | 17:51 |
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| Nikolay_St | long meeting today :D | 17:52 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I think the only piece of news I have is — https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332093/ | 17:52 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | thanks to haypo for his work on that ) now we gotta push those through the gerrit, as the gate check doesn't start for some reason ) | 17:54 |
| Nikolay_St | woohoo | 17:54 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St: well, you've raised a really tough question this time =) | 17:54 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok, we're out of time. thanks everyone for joining today | 18:00 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 21 18:00:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-06-21-17.00.html | 18:00 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 21 19:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:00 |
| pvaneck | o/ | 19:00 |
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| luzC | o/ | 19:01 |
| catherineD | hello everyone .. | 19:01 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-06-21 | 19:01 |
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| docaedo | o/ | 19:02 |
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| catherineD | meeting agenda and notes, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-06-21 | 19:02 |
| catherineD | #topic Product UI | 19:03 |
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| catherineD | #link Add products UI base ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329736/ ) | 19:03 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: I feel like this is a good base for product UI ... of course there are many other features needed ... | 19:04 |
| catherineD | if we think this is a good base , I suggest to merge it and make other enhancement later | 19:05 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: i think that product.html page should be divided to two pages - cloud and distro | 19:05 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: that is the detail page right? when you click the product ? | 19:05 |
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| andrey-mp | yeah | 19:05 |
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| catherineD | I totally agree with you that at the detail page ... | 19:06 |
| andrey-mp | so it should be in this review ) | 19:06 |
| catherineD | for example for cloud we need product_id defined but for distro we do not need to | 19:06 |
| pvaneck | what would be the current difference between the two pages? | 19:06 |
| Rockyg | question: has anyone from the UX team toalked with us about our UI? | 19:07 |
| andrey-mp | pvaneck: different properties, and different link maybe | 19:07 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: that is a good idea ... do you have a name? | 19:07 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: exactly, and I think it take time to ion out ... so I would like us to make it the next patch .. | 19:08 |
| catherineD | My goal is to have an end-2-end UI demo to DefCore at the midcycle (week of Auguest 1st ) | 19:08 |
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| andrey-mp | catherineD: strage way. first we create something and next we remove it. it's better to make two pages now | 19:09 |
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| catherineD | I would like us to make progress in the test result to product association and authorization | 19:09 |
| andrey-mp | whay this refactoring is needed if we can do it normally? | 19:09 |
| Rockyg | pieter kruithof is one of the guys. | 19:10 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: we do not remove something right? the page now can be used for distro we just add a page for cloud? | 19:10 |
| Rockyg | There's another one, though, too. | 19:10 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: yes. but next patch will remove product.html and make cloud.html and distro.html. right? | 19:11 |
| pvaneck | just different properties being shown? cant that be done with one page depending on the type | 19:11 |
| andrey-mp | pvaneck: I think that is simplier to make two pages. | 19:12 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: I don't mind if we call the product.html .. distro.html for now and later add cloud.html .. do whatever is simple first and I think distro is simpler | 19:13 |
| pvaneck | won't they essentially be duplicates right now? | 19:13 |
| andrey-mp | maybe we will do different behavior for these pages - there is a link ability between cloud and distro in domain model https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s_dAIuluztlCC6AZ-WO4_FR2CLje1QyS6kbMxlFHaMk/edit#heading=h.8fxpb1onf6vr for example | 19:13 |
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| andrey-mp | catherineD: we will not need product.html later. only cloud and distro | 19:13 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: so I don't mind if we rename the current product.html to distor.html | 19:14 |
| andrey-mp | pvaneck: yes. right now it will be the same... | 19:14 |
| pvaneck | if there are more cloud-specific stuff and distro-specific stuff later, could just call them as templates later from within product.html | 19:14 |
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| catherineD | essentially we are implementing everything as distro now (from UI point of view) | 19:15 |
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| andrey-mp | catherineD: ok. but what about cloud? what user will se if he clicks to cloud? | 19:15 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: for now it would be just like distro | 19:15 |
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| catherineD | until we implement cloud -specific stuff which is mostly needed for centralize testing | 19:16 |
| andrey-mp | pvaneck: it's an idea. but I see future refactoring in this case | 19:16 |
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| catherineD | pvaneck: does it make sense to implement templates now ... the templates would be identical for now ... but it will avoid refactoring later | 19:17 |
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| pvaneck | I dont particularly mind. will go ahead and create the two cloud/distro html pages. | 19:19 |
| pvaneck | im assuming the routes will be /cloud and /distro ? | 19:19 |
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| catherineD | pvaneck: great ..Thanks | 19:19 |
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| andrey-mp | pvaneck: I agree with names. thanks! | 19:20 |
| pvaneck | okay will send a new patch later | 19:20 |
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| catherineD | #action pvaneck: will go ahead and create the two cloud/distro html pages for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329736/ | 19:21 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: pvaneck: Thank you! | 19:21 |
| catherineD | #topic Product table | 19:21 |
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| catherineD | right now in the product table .. we have an id and product_id fields which are very confusing | 19:22 |
| catherineD | to me the product_id field is actually the cloud_id ... or cloud provider ID ... | 19:22 |
| andrey-mp | we discussed it several months ago | 19:22 |
| andrey-mp | and agreed that it is a product_id | 19:23 |
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| andrey-mp | so I disagree to rename it now | 19:23 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: I know we did but it becomes increasingly annoying | 19:24 |
| andrey-mp | because cloud and distro are both products | 19:24 |
| catherineD | so when we refer to the id filed in the product table we would say product id ... but we do not mean product_id | 19:24 |
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| Rockyg | so, is it a type, or is it a specific one off ID? | 19:25 |
| andrey-mp | we created product_id to be able to provide it externally | 19:25 |
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| catherineD | I agree that cloud and distro a both product ... the way I see is a product can be instantiated to one cloud or many clouds | 19:25 |
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| andrey-mp | I will create a patch for refstack-client to provide cpid as product_id (i hope this week) | 19:26 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: I don't agree to change cpid to product id | 19:27 |
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| andrey-mp | we talked about it last day of Austin's summit? | 19:27 |
| catherineD | for refstack-client definitely it has to be a cloud ... because that is what being tested | 19:27 |
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| andrey-mp | but what cloud is in refstack? | 19:27 |
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| catherineD | a cloud in RefStack is an instant of a product | 19:28 |
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| catherineD | something it is 1-1 relationship like public cloud | 19:28 |
| catherineD | something --> sometime | 19:29 |
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| catherineD | on other time product ot clouds may have 1 to n relationship | 19:29 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD: +1 | 19:29 |
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| sslypushenko | product can be presented as many clouds | 19:29 |
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| catherineD | so when testing we must test a specific cloud intantiated based on a product | 19:30 |
| sslypushenko | if I remember right, all of us agreed with his statment | 19:30 |
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| sslypushenko | *his -> this | 19:31 |
| andrey-mp | ok. and we agreed that refstack-client tests cloud. and passes cloud_id (as cpid) to refstack | 19:31 |
| catherineD | that is why I would like to rename the product_id field in the product table to cloud_id | 19:31 |
| andrey-mp | and what it will mean for distro? | 19:31 |
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| sslypushenko | good question... | 19:33 |
| catherineD | a distro is a product that someone must instantiate a cloud before we can test .. and this cloud can be temperary and so is the cpid (which can be changed on each installation of the cloud) | 19:33 |
| catherineD | temepary - temporary | 19:34 |
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| catherineD | the reason I want to rename the product_id field is because we are still early in this implementation .. | 19:34 |
| andrey-mp | what will mean cloud_id in product table for distro? | 19:34 |
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| sslypushenko | it should be something like uuid | 19:36 |
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| catherineD | cloud_id in the distro is just a place holder ... cloud_id is only important for public cloud or centralize testing .. where cloud_id is used as the access URL to the cloud | 19:36 |
| sslypushenko | but we need a way how to link distro with instance of cloud | 19:36 |
| catherineD | right now cloud_id can even be null for distro | 19:36 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko: that is topic #3 for today | 19:37 |
| Rockyg | houw about cloud_instance_id? | 19:37 |
| sslypushenko | too complecated | 19:37 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: I don't mind that | 19:37 |
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| catherineD | how about we go on to discuss topic #3 then revisit this topic? | 19:38 |
| Rockyg | more specific, so harder to confuse | 19:38 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: ++ | 19:38 |
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| sslypushenko | lets assume that it is just autogenerated uuid | 19:38 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD: move on to #3 | 19:39 |
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| andrey-mp | please stop on #2 | 19:39 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: in the product table .. the id field is auto generated and guarantee to be unique .. the product_id field is not | 19:39 |
| catherineD | ok | 19:39 |
| andrey-mp | Alex come to us | 19:39 |
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| catherineD | we will revisit #2 later ... moving on to #3? | 19:40 |
| sslypushenko | + | 19:40 |
| catherineD | #topic Associating test results data to a product | 19:40 |
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| catherineD | #link Specification to associate test results to products. ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332260/ ) | 19:40 |
| alevine_ | Hi everybody :) | 19:40 |
| catherineD | alevine_:hello ... How are you? | 19:41 |
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| sslypushenko | alevine_: Привет!) | 19:41 |
| alevine_ | Great, thanks. Hope everybody's great as well | 19:41 |
| catherineD | so I guess we want to go back to topic #2 ? since alevine_: joins us? | 19:41 |
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| sslypushenko | lets go to #3 | 19:42 |
| alevine_ | Andrey asked me to attend, so if possible it'd be great to reiterate. | 19:42 |
| catherineD | ok | 19:42 |
| catherineD | so the suggestion is to add 2 more fields to the test table | 19:43 |
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| catherineD | a product_uuid field and a certification field ... | 19:43 |
| catherineD | in the test table | 19:43 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: this is related to #3 but I called Alex for #2 ) | 19:43 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko: sorry since alevine_: is here let's go back to #2 .. hope you are OK with that | 19:44 |
| sslypushenko | ok, 2 or 3 - I don't mind | 19:44 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: thx :-) | 19:44 |
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| catherineD | alevine_: so my suggestion is to change the name of the product_id field in the product table to cloud_id ( Rockyg: suggests cloud_instance_id) | 19:45 |
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| alevine_ | Why? | 19:45 |
| alevine_ | And have we decided that our products are clouds only, no more distros? | 19:46 |
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| sslypushenko | alevine_: hmm | 19:46 |
| catherineD | because right now every time we refer to the id field in the product table we will say product id and that maybe misunderstand as the product_id field | 19:47 |
| Rockyg | So, the tests are done on a cloud instance, but the instance can either be a cloud product or a distro product. | 19:47 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: correct | 19:47 |
| sslypushenko | Rockyg: not exactly | 19:47 |
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| catherineD | and for a distro product it may have more than one cloud instances | 19:48 |
| alevine_ | Or it can be some other software of non-distro kind eventually we're testing it for, like ec2 | 19:48 |
| andrey-mp | Rockyg: we can't test a distro itself - only cloud with installed Distro | 19:48 |
| sslypushenko | But, I guess we need some kind of aggregation, like distro | 19:48 |
| Rockyg | alevine_, wouldn't the tests still run on a cloud? but the "product" would be ec2 compatibility? | 19:49 |
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| alevine_ | I mean why are we even getting back to this? I thought we're done with the products design and it's ok? We can't just use term cloud in the product table for products - we'd have to get rid of everything non-cloud and rename the product table to cloud table. | 19:49 |
| sslypushenko | andrey-mp: exactly, but still we have a distro like point of aggregation | 19:49 |
| alevine_ | rockyg: Have you had a chance to read my doc? | 19:49 |
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| Rockyg | It's been a long while.... | 19:49 |
| alevine_ | I mean the design one | 19:49 |
| andrey-mp | sslypushenko: sure, we can see it on diagram of domain model - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s_dAIuluztlCC6AZ-WO4_FR2CLje1QyS6kbMxlFHaMk/edit#heading=h.8fxpb1onf6vr | 19:50 |
| Rockyg | I need to go back to it. | 19:50 |
| alevine_ | Well, I hope it answers this kind of questions. | 19:50 |
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| Rockyg | Thanks for the link | 19:50 |
| alevine_ | And even without it - we can't start mixing entities. Product table means product id. We just can't start renaming something inside of it without changing its own semantics... and hence revisiting the whole design. | 19:50 |
| catherineD | alevine_: the reason we need to go back to this is we have a hard time to differentiate the id field in the product table vs the product_id field itself | 19:50 |
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| catherineD | alevine_: there is an id fiield in the product table .. and there is a product_id field also | 19:51 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: id - is an internal UUID. product_id - external identifier | 19:51 |
| alevine_ | Well, one is GUID - another one is some external ID. That's all differentiation there is | 19:51 |
| catherineD | alevine_: I know | 19:52 |
| alevine_ | Let's name one PRODUCT_GUID and second PRODUCT_EXTERNAL_ID if it'll make it clearer | 19:52 |
| catherineD | sorry that is for andrey-mp: I know that id is internal UUID and I trust that this ID is unique | 19:52 |
| Rockyg | that would help, I think | 19:52 |
| alevine_ | sure. I'm totally pro this | 19:53 |
| Rockyg | Need a longer name to clarify and interenal vs external is an important differentiator | 19:53 |
| sslypushenko | still sounds bad... | 19:53 |
| catherineD | alevine_: I don;t kine .. let's keep id as id to be consistent to the other table /.. | 19:53 |
| alevine_ | If something is ambiguous it definitely should be renamed but without change of semantics | 19:53 |
| catherineD | I don't mind rename product_id to product_external_id | 19:54 |
| Rockyg | alevine_, ++ | 19:54 |
| alevine_ | ID and External_ID then? | 19:54 |
| catherineD | alevine_: I like that | 19:54 |
| catherineD | better | 19:54 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: how about you? | 19:54 |
| alevine_ | ++ | 19:54 |
| sslypushenko | I'd rather see _id for internal id and just product_id for external one | 19:55 |
| andrey-mp | sslypushenko: why?) | 19:55 |
| alevine_ | I'm personally fine with ID and PRODUCT_ID at it is because ID can be autoincrement or GUID in our case and PRODUCT_ID is definitely something from the outside world and more substantial | 19:55 |
| sslypushenko | because actually product_external_id is not really external) If I'm understand things correctly | 19:56 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko: but when you talk about it you would say id of the product table and not underscore id of the product table right? so it is still confusing | 19:56 |
| alevine_ | I agree with sslypushenko | 19:56 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko: it could be external because it is user defined | 19:56 |
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| sslypushenko | user just selects it | 19:56 |
| sslypushenko | you can not specify not existed id in this field | 19:57 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko: say to go a public cloud ... this would be the URL of the public cloud right? | 19:57 |
| sslypushenko | just make selection from existed disto's ids | 19:57 |
| alevine_ | Rename ID to GUID and everything will be clear :) | 19:57 |
| catherineD | alevine_: that is not how the other table are defined | 19:58 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: from the document - CloudID ideally should be single, unique and automatically determined for each Cloud. For OpenStack Cloud it should be determined as a hashed Public ID of keystone endpoint, including keystone ID. | 19:58 |
| catherineD | I would like the talbe to be cosistent | 19:58 |
| alevine_ | Let's rename it everywhere if it's actually GUID | 19:58 |
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| catherineD | alevine_: I don't think so | 19:58 |
| alevine_ | I mean it's a very common situation to have two IDs in DB table. One is the auto-ID given by the DB and another one is real-life ID. | 19:59 |
| sslypushenko | _id look a bit convinient | 19:59 |
| catherineD | we are running out of time ... and I have a meeting to go next | 19:59 |
| alevine_ | Usually it is not the case to use "external" or something for such a real-life id. | 19:59 |
| sslypushenko | lets move to #refstack for extra 10 mins | 19:59 |
| sslypushenko | we ran out of time) | 19:59 |
| catherineD | everyone ...could you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332260/ | 19:59 |
| catherineD | thank you everyone | 20:00 |
| catherineD | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 21 20:00:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-06-21-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-06-21-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-06-21-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
| Rockyg | auto_id works for me.... | 20:00 |
| luzC | just a heads up, I'm submitting a new patch for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329691/ | 20:00 |
| catherineD | luzC: thx | 20:00 |
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| catherineD | docaedo: sorry we will discuss item 5 next week | 20:00 |
| catherineD | bye everyone | 20:00 |
| docaedo | np | 20:01 |
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