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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 27 14:00:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Anyone here for fun and games? | 14:00 |
| _gryf | o/ | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:00 |
| acabot | o/ | 14:00 |
| Yingxin | o/ | 14:00 |
| jed56 | \o | 14:00 |
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| edleafe | Let's wait another minute for the people running late... | 14:01 |
| vmahe | hi | 14:01 |
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| diga | hi | 14:01 |
| bauzas | \....p | 14:02 |
| * edleafe appreciates bauzas's hustle | 14:02 | |
| sudipto | o. | 14:03 |
| edleafe | OK, let's start | 14:03 |
| bauzas | that's just meaning "long arm but tired" :) | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs and reviews | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs and reviews (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:03 | |
| edleafe | Nothing was added to the agenda | 14:03 |
| edleafe | But that doesn't mean you can't bring it up now | 14:03 |
| edleafe | So... anyone have something to discuss? | 14:04 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 14:04 |
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| * edleafe hears nothing but crickets | 14:04 | |
| edleafe | OK, moving on | 14:04 |
| edleafe | #topic Mid-cycle discussion topics | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mid-cycle discussion topics (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:05 | |
| jaypipes | edleafe: I will have the new resource-providers-allocations spec pushed within an hour before I leave for the airport. It contains the strategy for populating the allocations table in the API database instead of migrating data from the existing cell DB locations. | 14:05 |
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| edleafe | jaypipes: thanks | 14:05 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: will review when it's pushed | 14:05 |
| jaypipes | danke | 14:05 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: not sure I got the change but okay :) | 14:05 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: sorry, what do you mean? | 14:06 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I don't remember what was about to change :) | 14:06 |
| bauzas | but I'll review th espec | 14:06 |
| edleafe | #undo | 14:06 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x7f2b35ec8b90> | 14:06 |
| edleafe | #topic Mid-cycle discussion topics | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mid-cycle discussion topics (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:07 | |
| edleafe | First up: Accepting multiple hosts for live migration | 14:07 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/276840 | 14:07 |
| edleafe | I'd like to get consensus on this approach, so I created a POC patch: | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: ah, sorry. so originally we planned to *migrate* data from the instance_extra table to the new allocations table. Now we're not going to migrate anything. We're going to populate the allocations table records in the API database with *additional* calls in the resource tracker to ResourceProvider.add_allocations() and ResourceProvider.delete_allocations(). Basically, for a short | 14:07 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327809/ | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | while, the resource tracker will write inventory and usage data to *both* the cell DB *and* the API DB. | 14:07 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: oh ok, sure, drop me a ping when the spec change is up and I'll pick it shortly | 14:08 |
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| edleafe | OK, glad that's settled | 14:09 |
| edleafe | Back to the topic | 14:09 |
| edleafe | Has anyone looked over the multiple host spec and/or POC code? | 14:09 |
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| * edleafe takes that as a 'No' | 14:10 | |
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| bauzas | edleafe: well, I reviewed the spec a bit | 14:11 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: I'm a bit torn by the UX (ie. using a long list of comma-splitted hosts), but it seemed to me a bit okay | 14:11 |
| edleafe | bauzas: that was an implementation detail | 14:11 |
| edleafe | for the CLI | 14:11 |
| bauzas | edleafe: yup, I know | 14:12 |
| edleafe | not really part of the spec | 14:12 |
| edleafe | The CLI can be done in whatever way is desired to pass a JSON list to the API | 14:12 |
| bauzas | edleafe: but since it's not really trivial on how you figure out which hosts to pass to the scheduler, I thought it was a bit important, also given it was a REST API modification | 14:12 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: well, my point was not about the CLI, rather about the JSON list for the request body argument | 14:13 |
| edleafe | bauzas: so what alternative format would be better? | 14:13 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: I was originally thinking of aggregates | 14:13 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: don't you think that will be messy? | 14:14 |
| bauzas | you can have multiple aggregates per host, and I was thinking that it was something easy for operators creating an aggregate and setting the list of hosts in there | 14:15 |
| edleafe | IOW, you have to a) define the hosts you want b) create an agg c) pass the agg to the request d) monitor the success of the request, then e) delete the agg | 14:15 |
| bauzas | so that the UX was then "live-migrate inst1 <my_agg>" | 14:15 |
| edleafe | bauzas: you do realize that these aggs would be ephemeral? | 14:15 |
| edleafe | IOW, they would exist for a single request? | 14:15 |
| bauzas | yup, and I'm fine with that | 14:15 |
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| Yingxin | or both is ok? to an aggregate or a list of hosts? | 14:16 |
| bauzas | I'm fine too | 14:16 |
| bauzas | anyway | 14:16 |
| bauzas | I don't want to nitpick | 14:16 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: it's passing a list that bauzas doesn't like | 14:16 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: so you have to accept a list in the first place | 14:17 |
| bauzas | just explaining that I'm pretty sure that in 1 or 2 cycles, some people will complain about not being able to use aggregates for that :) | 14:17 |
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| bauzas | Yingxin: the problem is that we're pretty well formalized on the API side | 14:17 |
| edleafe | bauzas: so you want to see both? | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I get your point, you want a "scheduler" hint to say, pick any hosts in this aggregate, and thats where you put all your updated hosts? | 14:17 |
| bauzas | edleafe: I dunno, I'm not violently opposed to a list of hosts, TBC | 14:18 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: I'm just saying that I'm betting to see a feature request about that in the next cycles | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think there are two separate use cases here | 14:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | my main objection was having a structure inside a string field, if we dropped that, I am less opposed to the idea | 14:18 |
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| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: the spec now proposes a list, not a string | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | coolness | 14:19 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: well, my concern was not exacly about the length of the list, just about the thing that sometimes, operators don't like explicit lists of things, and prefer to use implicit concepts | 14:20 |
| bauzas | but I agree, that's a second part of the problem | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: agreed with you, I think there are two use cases | 14:20 |
| edleafe | bauzas: don't forget that humans are only one use case | 14:20 |
| edleafe | humans usually know where they want it to go | 14:20 |
| bauzas | edleafe: I know, and I know why you're proposing that spec | 14:20 |
| edleafe | whereas programs don't have that insight | 14:20 |
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| edleafe | OK, I don't think we need to settle this here | 14:21 |
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| edleafe | This will be a good topic for the midcycle | 14:21 |
| bauzas | anyway, I'm like discussing about 5 mins about some extra feature request that nobody is yet asking for, so I suggest to go for a list of hosts, and ask those guys - if they exist - to write another story for using other concepts if they don't like the list of hosts | 14:21 |
| edleafe | I just want to be sure that everyone is familiar with the issues | 14:21 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: ok, maybe make a note of that on the spec | 14:22 |
| bauzas | edleafe: either way, I'll look at the spec and vote, given the above ^ | 14:22 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: thanks | 14:22 |
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| edleafe | Note: jaypipes just posted his updated spec | 14:23 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/300177 | 14:23 |
| jaypipes | danke edleafe | 14:23 |
| edleafe | Please review that, too. | 14:23 |
| edleafe | Next up: Separating qualitative requirements from quantitative in a request | 14:23 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/313784 | 14:24 |
| edleafe | This has gotten some positive initial review, although nothing much on the implementation details | 14:24 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: I remember a long list of specs about that, is the above a consensus of what jaypipes proposed at the summit session ? | 14:25 |
| edleafe | Since this is a much more disruptive change, I want to be sure that people have given it some thought before the midcycle | 14:25 |
| edleafe | bauzas: not exactly | 14:25 |
| bauzas | s/proposed/exposed rather | 14:25 |
| edleafe | bauzas: it's based on that | 14:25 |
| edleafe | bauzas: but probably more of a long-term view than what we discussed | 14:25 |
| bauzas | okay, because I recently reviewed some change that I felt was about adding a new capability to an host, and I'd love to give some pointer | 14:26 |
| bauzas | about which things we're currently looking for | 14:26 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: you pretty aware of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313784/ ? | 14:26 |
| edleafe | bauzas: I'd also prefer at all costs to not fall into the "specify/hardcode every feature that a host could offer" trap | 14:26 |
| bauzas | edleafe: k | 14:26 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: reviewing that spec now actually... | 14:27 |
| edleafe | Enumerating some for x-provider is one thin | 14:27 |
| edleafe | thing | 14:27 |
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| edleafe | but requiring a code change to add a new capability is quite another | 14:27 |
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| edleafe | In any case, please review so that we can discuss at the midcycle | 14:28 |
| edleafe | Any other topics that anyone thinks would be good midcycle discussion material? | 14:28 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: nested resource providers. | 14:28 |
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| edleafe | link? | 14:28 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nested-resource-providers | 14:28 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: just my thinking to date... | 14:29 |
| edleafe | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nested-resource-providers | 14:29 |
| edleafe | wow! jaypipes really likes pink! | 14:29 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: heh | 14:29 |
| edleafe | :) | 14:29 |
| Yingxin | is it worthwhile to go on the work of host-state-level-locking? | 14:29 |
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| edleafe | Yingxin: what do you want to discuss about it? | 14:30 |
| Yingxin | it still needs a patch to add claim logic to scheduler | 14:30 |
| Yingxin | and a patch to refactor claim logic | 14:30 |
| Yingxin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262938/ | 14:31 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: ok - is there any issue about it that isn't clear? | 14:31 |
| Yingxin | the issue is no one review it.. | 14:31 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: :) | 14:31 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: are those up to date ? | 14:32 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: I remember looking at them in the past and they were having a merge conflict | 14:32 |
| Yingxin | yes, that patch is up to date | 14:32 |
| Yingxin | but the next one is not | 14:32 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: okay, IIRC, that's all about defining a new scheduler claim object, so that's a pretty huge change | 14:33 |
| edleafe | #action All to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262938/ | 14:33 |
| Yingxin | bauzas: right | 14:33 |
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| bauzas | Yingxin: but sure, it's in my list, ping me during that week to make sure I'm not forgetting it | 14:33 |
| Yingxin | bauzas: but scheduler seems work very well without claim | 14:33 |
| Yingxin | bauzas: thanks | 14:33 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: yup, I did read your (long) email | 14:34 |
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| Yingxin | edleafe: thanks too | 14:34 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: but I have points and questions, and that requires time to ask for :) | 14:34 |
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| Yingxin | bauzas: np | 14:34 |
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| edleafe | There will be one more opportunity to discuss this (July 11) before the midcycle, so if anyone has questions, leave them on the patch and we can address them then | 14:35 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: basically, your test scenario is stressing the same environment of 1000 computes with 50 concurrent requests, I'm unclear whether those 1000 computes are leavinf enough free space for those 50 requests | 14:35 |
| bauzas | in what you call 'preloaded" | 14:35 |
| Yingxin | preloaded only allows exact 49 new vms to boot | 14:36 |
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| Yingxin | in the 1000-node environment | 14:36 |
| Yingxin | so if there're 50 requests, there should be one and only one fail. | 14:36 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: okay, so that means those 1000 hosts are fully stacked, with only room for 49 instances to be created ? | 14:36 |
| bauzas | okaaaaay | 14:36 |
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| bauzas | that wasn't clear | 14:36 |
| Yingxin | bauzas: right, sorry about that | 14:37 |
| bauzas | okay, I'll reply to that one with interest | 14:37 |
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| Yingxin | bauzas: :) | 14:37 |
| edleafe | Anything else for midcycle topics? | 14:37 |
| bauzas | edleafe: I think Yingxin's thread is worth of interest for reading *before* the midcycle | 14:38 |
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| bauzas | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/098202.html | 14:38 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: Agreed | 14:39 |
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| edleafe | that's what I hope to get from this meeting: | 14:39 |
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| edleafe | topics to brush up on so that we can make progress on them at the midcycle | 14:39 |
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| Yingxin | ^ that's a performance profiling of three types of schedulers | 14:39 |
| edleafe | bauzas: Thanks for the link to the list | 14:39 |
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| diga | edleafe: if I am using devstack, how I can simulate 1000 compute node environment to test these stuff | 14:40 |
| Yingxin | diga: run them with fake virt drivers | 14:40 |
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| diga | Yingxin: okay | 14:41 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: do you have a reference for how to do that? Link? | 14:41 |
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| Yingxin | I have a tool actually | 14:41 |
| bauzas | edleafe: it's in the dev docs :) | 14:41 |
| Yingxin | https://github.com/cyx1231st/nova-scheduler-bench | 14:41 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: that's the easy answer :) | 14:42 |
| bauzas | edleafe: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/development.environment.html#using-fake-computes-for-tests | 14:42 |
| edleafe | bauzas: thanks! | 14:42 |
| diga | Yingxin: got it | 14:42 |
| edleafe | diga: that should get you started | 14:42 |
| diga | edleafe: Sure. | 14:42 |
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| edleafe | Anyway, we still have a lot to discuss today | 14:43 |
| edleafe | #topic Opens | 14:43 |
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| edleafe | Other services directly accessing the Scheduler and/or request database | 14:43 |
| edleafe | Watcher wants to directly access the scheduler | 14:43 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329873 | 14:43 |
| edleafe | I have been advising against it | 14:43 |
| diga | Yingxin: thanks :) | 14:43 |
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| edleafe | I'd like some of the Watcher people here today to explain what they want to do | 14:44 |
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| bauzas | yeah, we should be having a placement API sooner or later :) | 14:44 |
| edleafe | And for the Nova people to add their advice | 14:44 |
| edleafe | jed56: acabot: The floor is yours :) | 14:44 |
| jed56 | Everybody know the watcher project ? :) | 14:44 |
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| raj_singh | jed56: Link to project doc will help | 14:45 |
| diga | jed56: can you share the link ? | 14:45 |
| jed56 | #link https://github.com/openstack/watcher | 14:45 |
| acabot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher | 14:45 |
| jed56 | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/watcher/ | 14:46 |
| dtardivel | pwd | 14:46 |
| dtardivel | clear | 14:46 |
| acabot | Watcher is an infrastructure optimization service | 14:46 |
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| acabot | we have build a framework to allows ops to build optimization strategies | 14:47 |
| acabot | we dont touch the initial placement | 14:47 |
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| acabot | the idea is to collect metrics and define a better placement for VMs in the long run | 14:48 |
| acabot | is that clear ? | 14:48 |
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| edleafe | The part that concerns us is that to optimize the DC, Watcher needs to make live migration calls | 14:49 |
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| edleafe | Since the scheduler now checks the destination by default, the selected host may fail | 14:49 |
| bauzas | that, I know already :) | 14:49 |
| acabot | edleafe : yes, we need to move VMs and so we need to know what are the constraints between them | 14:49 |
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| edleafe | The multi-host change to live mig is one approach to minimizing failures and repeated API calls | 14:50 |
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| acabot | this spec is the first step to open discussion with the Nova team on how to do it in a clever way | 14:50 |
| edleafe | The link above is a spec that basically runs select_destinations inside of Watcher to verify that the host is acceptable before calling live mig | 14:51 |
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| acabot | edleafe : this solution is clearly not acceptable today | 14:51 |
| edleafe | acabot: understood | 14:51 |
| acabot | edleafe : and we would like to find the best path to do it with the current scheduler implem | 14:55 |
| edleafe | acabot: One thing I'd like to get a better idea on is the timeframe for a fully public RESTful placement API | 14:55 |
| edleafe | and whether that should be relied upon now | 14:55 |
| edleafe | is jaypipes still here? | 14:55 |
| bauzas | well, the real problem is that a cross-project dependency usually needs a client package | 14:55 |
| bauzas | for providing a stable contract that the consumer can use | 14:55 |
| acabot | edleafe : yes, I think we need to find different solutions in a large timeframe (what can we do in 6 months/1 year/ 2years) | 14:55 |
| jed56 | bauzas: +1 | 14:55 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: yes, exactly | 14:55 |
| edleafe | it needs to be a public contract | 14:55 |
| bauzas | using RPC calls is by definition something we don't guarantee as defined by http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/policies.html#public-contractual-apis | 14:55 |
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| jed56 | bauzas: this is something we are also agree about 'internal rpc' | 14:55 |
| bauzas | so, the problem is then "where the scheduler provides those stable APIs we can consume" | 14:55 |
| acabot | the main idea today is to be able to get your feedback on this idea and then improve our spec | 14:55 |
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| bauzas | and the answer is "we don't have those yet" | 14:55 |
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| jed56 | bauzas: yes : ) | 14:55 |
| acabot | bauzas : :-) | 14:55 |
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| bauzas | but | 14:55 |
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| bauzas | we notify on any instance action | 14:55 |
| jed56 | bauzas: did you have the chance to read my spec ? | 14:56 |
| bauzas | and those notification messages are *now* (yippee) versioned | 14:56 |
| bauzas | jed56: nope sorry :( | 14:56 |
| jed56 | The main problem that we have is that watcher is blind | 14:56 |
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| edleafe | About 3 minutes left | 14:57 |
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| edleafe | So let's move on | 14:57 |
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| edleafe | Please comment on the spec!! | 14:57 |
| acabot | thx | 14:57 |
| bauzas | jed56: okay, raise your spec here, so we can discuss that offline | 14:57 |
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| edleafe | Last open topic: FPGA as a resource | 14:59 |
| bauzas | oh this is | 14:59 |
| jed56 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329873 | 14:59 |
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| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323130/ - IBM attempt | 14:59 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/318047 - High level use cases | 14:59 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312696 - Current approach for dynamic resources proposal | 14:59 |
| _gryf | right | 14:59 |
| edleafe | We obviously can't get through them all in 1 minute | 14:59 |
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| _gryf | only 1 min left | 14:59 |
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| edleafe | But to be clear: we agreed that programming FPGA is out of scope for nova | 14:59 |
| _gryf | so at least please read the specs | 14:59 |
| _gryf | edleafe, for newton cycle | 14:59 |
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| edleafe | _gryf: No, it was stronger than that | 14:59 |
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| edleafe | Nova will not be an FPGA utility | 15:00 |
| _gryf | edleafe, I mean for newton cycle we agree, all the hussle will do the admin | 15:00 |
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| edleafe | yes | 15:00 |
| _gryf | and i agree | 15:00 |
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| _gryf | there would be no programming done by nova | 15:01 |
| edleafe | in any case, we're at time. Thanks everyone! Continue in -nova | 15:01 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
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| _gryf | cheers… | 15:01 |
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| korzen | cheers _gryf | 15:01 |
| edleafe | Hmmm - where's the bot? | 15:01 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| _gryf | korzen, :) | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 27 15:01:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-06-27-14.00.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-06-27-14.00.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-06-27-14.00.log.html | 15:01 |
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| edleafe | that was slow! | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | sec upgrades folks, starting in a minute.. | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 27 15:02:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| rossella_s | :) | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:02 | |
| ihrachys | o/ | 15:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:02 |
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| korzen | hello | 15:03 |
| rossella_s | hi | 15:03 |
| dasm | o/ | 15:03 |
| jlibosva | o/ | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam Agenda | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #topic Actions from the last meeting | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | "korzen to spin up a devref patch describing base neutron object class features, testing interface, tips&tricks, etc." | 15:03 |
| korzen | did not happen | 15:04 |
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| korzen | I'm planning to do it this week, maybe tomorrow | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: will you have time for that this week, or maybe you prefer to stick to code? | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's have it repeated then | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | #action korzen to spin up a devref patch describing base neutron object class features, testing interface, tips&tricks, etc. | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | there is no formal action item on that one, but I was to look at dvr job voting. did not really happen since I was off most of the previous week. | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | putting it here for the next time. | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to make progress on dvr grenade job voting | 15:07 |
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| ihrachys | I have no announcements. | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | I also think we have nothing for partial grenade job, due to the reason above | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | skipping those | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | that one may be more interesting. | 15:09 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: korzen: since I was off, may some of you update on latest developments on objects front? | 15:09 |
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| korzen | so I was struggling with subnet OVO integration and found 2 major issues | 15:09 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, I don't have much to report, I've reviewed some patches, that's is, I was busy with the opnfv summit | 15:09 |
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| rossella_s | korzen, tell us more | 15:09 |
| korzen | 1) limit the sql queries number when loading the synthetic fields | 15:09 |
| korzen | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334380/2 | 15:09 |
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| korzen | it is scaling problem, number of queries are increasing when you add new subnets | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | so you reuse relationships to construct object-fields. | 15:10 |
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| korzen | ihrachys, yes the synthetic fields are already loaded, no need to query for them | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | I think that makes sense, and we will need to solve that. the patch seems sane. | 15:11 |
| rossella_s | thanks korzen | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | what's the 2nd issue? | 15:11 |
| korzen | 2) filter_by in get_object was not applying the filter correctly | 15:11 |
| korzen | when having RBAC entries | 15:11 |
| korzen | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334381/2 | 15:12 |
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| korzen | when the shared subnet was queried, it returned none | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | aha. basically using full common_db_mixin machinery for get_object() too. I think jlibosva was suggesting that before. | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | without the whole machinery, query hooks are not applied for get_object | 15:13 |
| korzen | because the sql query was construct to filter by NetworkRBAC.id not subnets.id | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | that one makes sense too :) | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | great work. | 15:13 |
| korzen | I hace still some issue with extending the subnet dictionary | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | korzen: you seem on a coding spree ;) | 15:14 |
| korzen | so there may be some more difficulties ahead | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | sure. but that's already a huge progress. | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | do you have CI results with those included? | 15:15 |
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| korzen | ihrachys, yea, the debugger and I are the best friends now | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | I mean, both issues fixed + subnet adopted | 15:15 |
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| korzen | ihrachys, ? | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | korzen: do you have a patch that would validate those two fixes + subnet object used in db code in gate? | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | or are they all stacked? | 15:16 |
| korzen | ihrachys, yes, they are all stacked, the top is: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321001/8 | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | ok great. | 15:17 |
| korzen | and also some RBAC improvements for shared attr in subnet: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331009/ | 15:18 |
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| korzen | the subnet shared attr is special case, where shared is dependent on network shared state | 15:18 |
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| ihrachys | that last one seems like a bunch of fixes squashed into a single one | 15:19 |
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| korzen | so I have copied the code to valide the rbac_entries from db_plugin to rbac_db | 15:19 |
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| korzen | yes, the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331009 is everything we need to change in subnet object to get it working with UT | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | korzen: is it worth splitting the last one? | 15:20 |
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| korzen | it would probably be something more when I get a touch on functional and API tests | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | korzen: but can't we test specific aspects of the change separately with our own targeted tests? | 15:21 |
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| korzen | what do you mean by our own targeted tests? | 15:23 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: the patch contains several changes (tenant-id logic, shared field logic, segment_id added, ...) can we have it all in separate pieces? | 15:24 |
| korzen | ihrachys, yes, it can be split | 15:25 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: if the problem is that no tests trigger the issues right now, then let's trigger them specifically for each piece | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | if needed, with new tests | 15:25 |
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| ihrachys | ok, let's better split then, because it's better for reading git history later, and reverts if we need any later | 15:25 |
| korzen | ok, I will stack few more patches ;) it is already 5 in a row :) | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | I understand the concern. | 15:26 |
| sayalilunkad | with regards to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284738 jlibosva suggested that we don't use update for the default security group stuff ..rather we just use create and delete because is_default is not updatable from the api | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | maybe depends-on is a better answer than stacking, at least for pieces that touch different parts of the code. | 15:27 |
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| korzen | ihrachys, that maybe an answet | 15:27 |
| korzen | answer* | 15:27 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, +1 | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | sayalilunkad: interesting. I think if we don't need to update that, then indeed it may be easier to claim it for no update. | 15:29 |
| jlibosva | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284738/37/neutron/objects/port/extensions/securitygroups.py@55 <- this is where discussion with sayalilunkad happened :) | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva++ that seems like simplifying the deal. | 15:29 |
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| ihrachys | what others think? | 15:29 |
| sayalilunkad | ihrachys: yup | 15:29 |
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| jlibosva | so correct me if I'm wrong - but is_default is not even exposed to API, it's just internal logic of object to distinguish between default and ordinary SG. While ordinary SG just re-uses/encapsulates capabilities of DefautlSG object | 15:31 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva: it's exposed in API, but read only. | 15:31 |
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| rossella_s | if nobody can write it then we don't need to handle updates | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | oh wait. seems like not, it's not actually exposed. | 15:32 |
| jlibosva | if it is, I can't find where :) | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | yeah, I mixed things (name vs the attribute) | 15:32 |
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| ihrachys | anyhow, I think it's a good idea to get rid of the code. sayalilunkad, please follow the jlibosva suggestion :) | 15:33 |
| sayalilunkad | ihrachys: cool, thanks | 15:34 |
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| jlibosva | sayalilunkad: ihrachys now the question is whether we want to expose it as a field or just an attribute of SG object | 15:35 |
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| jlibosva | but we can discuss on the gerrit :) | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: not sure I follow the merits of both approaches, so yes, let's follow up on gerrit | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | also, one thing that I want to revive this week is ports object patches. unless rossella_s wants to get back to it herself. | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | afair we have a TODO list in the patch commit message, so hopefully I should be ready to proceed. | 15:36 |
| sayalilunkad | jlibosva: ihrachys sure | 15:36 |
| jlibosva | I can take over some patches | 15:36 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, I wish but I don't think I will have enough time | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: port? :D I think that's the most critical piece right now. | 15:37 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, it would be great if you could take over | 15:37 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva: but first thing, I guess we need to pay huge attention to what korzen already has on review to unblock his subnet endevour | 15:38 |
| jlibosva | sure, just sayin' I'm slackin' on objects front :) | 15:39 |
| korzen | ihrachys, jlibosva it would be nice to get a help in side patches ;) | 15:39 |
| korzen | especially in those which are blocking also the port | 15:39 |
| korzen | sorting and loading synthetic fields | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | korzen: those in your queue? or you mean some other patches? | 15:40 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: yeah, yours. jlibosva, how about cooperating with korzen on splitting the bulk patch he has into reviewable pieces? | 15:40 |
| jlibosva | korzen: I left some comments on load_synthetic this morning, but I forgot to send, so you have them in PS1 :) | 15:41 |
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| jlibosva | ihrachys: korzen sounds good | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: korzen: thanks! | 15:41 |
| korzen | jlibosva, and seen them, thanks :) | 15:41 |
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| korzen | I will work on the last UT to solve for Subnet | 15:42 |
| korzen | it is the dictionary extension | 15:42 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Other patches on review | 15:43 |
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| korzen | neutron.tests.unit.plugins.ml2.test_extension_driver_api.DBExtensionDriverTestCase.test_subnet_attr | 15:43 |
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| ihrachys | I am not aware of any patches that are not objects related that would require team attention | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:43 |
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| ihrachys | there are two things on the agenda from korzen, but seems like we covered those in objects section | 15:43 |
| korzen | ihrachys, yest | 15:44 |
| korzen | yes, exactly | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | then we should probably be good to close the meeting, unless people have other topics to discuss. I give 2 minutes to raise anything. :) | 15:44 |
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| rossella_s | I have nothing else :) | 15:45 |
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| ihrachys | ok, then we close! :) | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 27 15:46:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-06-27-15.02.html | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-06-27-15.02.txt | 15:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-06-27-15.02.log.html | 15:46 |
| jlibosva | thanks, byte | 15:46 |
| jlibosva | bye | 15:46 |
| korzen | thx, bye | 15:46 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 27 16:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | bonjour | 16:00 |
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| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero, haypo | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for lifeless, lintan, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar | 16:00 |
| rbradfor | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | howday | 16:00 |
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| ihrachys | o/ | 16:01 |
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| ansmith | o/ | 16:01 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | o/ | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | \o/ | 16:01 |
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| jecarey | o/ | 16:02 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ok guess we can get started | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:03 |
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| harlowja_at_home | any issues that people are having in consuming projects? | 16:03 |
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| ihrachys | nothing from neutron side, though I was off for a huge part of prev week | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | Hey, I am here. Nothing to report from Cinder. | 16:03 |
| oshykhkerimov | nothing from murano | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | grafana dash for neutron is quiet | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | nice nice | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/?groupKey=build_name&resolutionKey=hour&searchProject=-with-oslo looks ok to me | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/job/periodic-trove-py34-with-oslo-master might have been an issue though, unsure | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, if u around, let me know if that's ok, looks resolved | 16:06 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Releases for newton | 16:06 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so i had https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332491/ up, i'll get that updated for this week | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | got sucked into other work things last week | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | but feel free to tell me to remove or add newer changes there | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Stuck reviews | 16:08 |
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| harlowja_at_home | any stuck reviews folks want to bring up? | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, did the oslo-incubator code removal reviews start to get merged in? | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | or still lagging? | 16:09 |
| sileht | I have this that need some love: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301771/ | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | sileht, welcome back | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | how's the baby :-P | 16:09 |
| sileht | very well ! | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | woot | 16:09 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ah pifpaf usage, nice, nice, will look that one over since I know what that lib is doing | 16:10 |
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| sileht | harlowja_at_home, I SIGKILL rabbit and check oslo.messaging still works ! | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | nice | 16:11 |
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| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, sorry, bathroom stop | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | no bathroom allowed | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:11 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, some have, thanks. there are still some remaining | 16:11 |
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| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, let me know if i need to send out another email saying 'these need to merge cause there is no incubator anymore...' | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | (or equivalent message) | 16:12 |
| rbradfor | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312175/ is still stuck waiting for a +2, that's a whole project removal (gets rid of incubator code) | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | i wonder for these 'dead' projects if infra folks can merge those changes instead | 16:13 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, actually, several others are a different problem, that is projects adopting new features of Oslo, e.g. new base class parameters. e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302367/ | 16:14 |
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| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, there are 2 kite projects, one got the 2 +2s, and i've actually emailed the person weeks ago. | 16:14 |
| rbradfor | need to do another round of cleanups and get a pile of reviews in queue | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | k, i always wondered how dead projects actually get reviewed (since they are dead) | 16:15 |
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| johnsom | No issues here BTW | 16:15 |
| rbradfor | I have also previously brought up the removal of apiclient incubator code, and there was little discussion on Oslo providing the means forward. | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, thx | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | ah, apiclient | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | yes yes, i remember that debate | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | i think the idea was to get some folks to make a new apiclient, but i think that died | 16:17 |
| rbradfor | I did some work a long time ago for trove https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296667/ | 16:17 |
| rbradfor | my comments included: | 16:17 |
| rbradfor | 1. There is a subset of base.Resource. Keystone makes their own copy, and a dozen other projects use the existing Oslo Incubator code. There is need for a common class here. | 16:17 |
| rbradfor | 2. While exceptions have been incorporated into a project class, again there is need for a common class here that can be used by all the python clients. | 16:17 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ya | 16:17 |
| rbradfor | if there was any agreement that I could create a Request and Exceptions base class and put it somewhere oslo_utils? I could try a refactor again | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | let me ponder over that, and see if i can find out from maybe dims or dhellmann what happened to the apiclient stuff | 16:18 |
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| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor ya, let me uncover some history here first, then let's figure that out | 16:18 |
| rbradfor | the decision was to let the OSC SDK handle it, but honestly that's not going to happen any time soon. | 16:18 |
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| harlowja_at_home | right | 16:18 |
| rbradfor | I might pursue creating these two base classes within Trove, and then we can refactor them to Oslo. | 16:19 |
| rbradfor | this is then a path to "removing incubator code" which is the immediate goal right? | 16:19 |
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| harlowja_at_home | imho ya | 16:19 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Liasons | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i'm thinking i'm going to send out a little update for https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Oslo | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | and see if we can get a little more folks attending the meeting here | 16:22 |
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| harlowja_at_home | cause it always feels sort of weird that we have nova and glance and such, but never hear if they have any oslo issues (or give the all clear) | 16:22 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so i might just send out a reminder ... | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:23 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anything else folks want to raise? | 16:23 |
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| harlowja_at_home | if not, then i guess we have a short-meeting! | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | also next week meeting, i guess we should ask about that | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | next monday is july4th in the US, so i may or may not be around :-P | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | its the day we in the US celebrate the defeat of the aliens | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | @ http://blogs-images.forbes.com/scottmendelson/files/2015/06/independence-day-white-house-explode.jpg | 16:25 |
| rpodolyaka | lol | 16:25 |
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| rbradfor | all the movies that destroy american icons! | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | where we in the US celebrate will smith saving us all | 16:26 |
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| jungleboyj | harlowja_at_home: Today is Our Independence Day! | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:26 |
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| harlowja_at_home | +1 | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | no no next monday is | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | not today | 16:27 |
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| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | Doesn't have the same ring. | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | anyways, so i'm pretty sure most US folks won't be around | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | people ok with skipping next week then? | 16:28 |
| rbradfor | you mean folk that are in the US | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya | 16:28 |
| rbradfor | all those immigrants | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | u to can celebrate the defeat of the aliens | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:28 |
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| harlowja_at_home | unless we want to have a meeting, and someone else wants to host it? | 16:30 |
| * rbradfor sounds of crickets | 16:31 | |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | ok, no meeting next week | 16:31 |
| rbradfor | do we need a vote to drink to that? | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | :-) That seems the best choice. | 16:31 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i don't think so, make a hamburger or hotdog or something to honor the lack of a meeting | 16:32 |
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| harlowja_at_home | and remember as jungleboyj said 'Today is Our Independence Day!' | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoLywiaM6PA (for those who have no idea about that quote) | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | (just imagine me giving that speech instead of that dude) | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | harlowja_at_home: Did you see the new one yet? | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | nope | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | It is good! | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | nice nice | 16:34 |
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| harlowja_at_home | will have to watch the return of the aliens soon, ha | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | alright, guess we can move chit-chat to #openstack-oslo so that people don't feel obliged to watch the movie or hear about stupid american jokes, lol | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | thanks all for the quick meeting (i like those!) | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | #end-meeting | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 16:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 27 16:36:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-06-27-16.00.html | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | one of those, lol | 16:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-06-27-16.00.txt | 16:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-06-27-16.00.log.html | 16:36 |
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| mfedosin | Courtesy meeting reminder ( #openstack-meeting-alt ): nikhil_k, ativelkov, mfedosin, docaedo, dshakhray, kfox111, kairat, nikhil, sudipto | 17:29 |
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| dshakhray | \o/ | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | hi Darja | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | seems like you're the only one today | 17:31 |
| dshakhray | Where is everybody?( | 17:32 |
| mfedosin | no idea :) | 17:32 |
| mfedosin | nikhil on PTO afaik | 17:32 |
| mfedosin | let's wait 5 minutes | 17:33 |
| dshakhray | okay( | 17:33 |
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| mfedosin | I believe kairat should be here :) | 17:33 |
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| docaedo | o/ | 17:35 |
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| docaedo | (but I don't have anything to share today :) ) | 17:35 |
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| mfedosin | okay, let me describe current status | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | #startmeeting glare | 17:36 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 27 17:36:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mfedosin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:36 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:36 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glare' | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | #topic Updates | 17:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Updates (Meeting topic: glare)" | 17:36 | |
| mfedosin | 1. Spec | 17:37 |
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| mfedosin | I updated the spec today | 17:37 |
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| mfedosin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283136/ | 17:37 |
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| mfedosin | and there I addressed Erno and Stan comments | 17:38 |
| mfedosin | Imo spec looks good now, and we got enough feedback from community | 17:38 |
| mfedosin | docaedo: it will be awesome to get some feedback from you before next week | 17:39 |
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| mfedosin | it's not urgent, so if you have some time to glance there please do :) | 17:40 |
| mfedosin | 2. Code | 17:40 |
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| mfedosin | code is on review, but there is lack of feedback | 17:41 |
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| mfedosin | which tells me that code is good ;) | 17:41 |
| docaedo | o/ | 17:41 |
| docaedo | I'll do my best | 17:42 |
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| docaedo | I would suggest you ping people on app-catalog channel as well | 17:42 |
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| mfedosin | on Thursday we'll start implementing murano artifact type with ativelkov | 17:42 |
| docaedo | maybe a simple pointer to a review and how to test it? AFAIK for app-catalog one of the reviews had a working run-server script | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | docaedo: wait a sec | 17:43 |
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| mfedosin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330458/3 | 17:44 |
| mfedosin | it's a top commit | 17:44 |
| docaedo | mfedosin: oh you were pointing at the spec and asking for review there :) That I can do as well | 17:44 |
| docaedo | thanks | 17:45 |
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| mfedosin | docaedo: in thebottom of the spec a added a link to documentation | 17:45 |
| mfedosin | where I'll describe how to install glare on devstack | 17:45 |
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| docaedo | excellent that's good news | 17:45 |
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| mfedosin | I wanted to do it before the meeting, but stuck in glare's code too much :( | 17:46 |
| mfedosin | but anyway, this doc will be about one page, so I'll create it today for sure | 17:46 |
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| mfedosin | docaedo: all things we wanted to implement are done at this moment and if glare is good for murano then it's good for everybody else :) | 17:47 |
| mfedosin | because they need really weird things there :D | 17:47 |
| mfedosin | docaedo: btw, has serg skripnick attended your meetings? | 17:48 |
| docaedo | mfedosin: yeah I believe he made the meeting last week | 17:48 |
| mfedosin | I think I should be there too | 17:49 |
| mfedosin | because I think we'll start implementing POC next week | 17:49 |
| mfedosin | app-catalog on glare v1 | 17:49 |
| mfedosin | and it seems we'll need your advise on this matter | 17:50 |
| mfedosin | docaedo: next Monday is a holiday in US, right? | 17:51 |
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| mfedosin | I think we can skip next meeting, because nikhil won't attend it as well | 17:52 |
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| docaedo | mfedosin: yes, holiday | 17:55 |
| docaedo | celebrating our freedom to set off fireworks! | 17:55 |
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| docaedo | and yes, would be good to have you involved in the app-catalog meetings (or just on app-catalog channel) to discuss implementation plans | 17:56 |
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| docaedo | looks like it's getting close to ready, and the work on the authentication stuff looks pretty good too though it's not angular yet | 17:56 |
| mfedosin | docaedo: will be done | 17:56 |
| docaedo | great | 17:57 |
| mfedosin | okay, if there are no question left we can finish for today | 17:57 |
| mfedosin | docaedo: thanks for joining today :) | 17:58 |
| mfedosin | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 27 17:58:20 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-06-27-17.36.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-06-27-17.36.txt | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-06-27-17.36.log.html | 17:58 |
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| dbite | #startmeeting training-labs | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 27 18:01:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dbite. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_labs' | 18:01 |
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| dbite | rluethi: hello | 18:01 |
| rluethi | hi dbite | 18:01 |
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| dbite | rluethi: So how do we proceed today? | 18:02 |
| dbite | Its been quite long since we had our last meeting. | 18:03 |
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| rluethi | we can try to go for the meeting :) | 18:03 |
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| dbite | the meeting is already started :) | 18:03 |
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| dbite | I see that the current agenda on the wiki-page is quite outdated. | 18:04 |
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| dbite | So lets talk about the current things which we discussed earlier. | 18:04 |
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| dbite | #topic RST to BASH parser. | 18:04 |
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| rluethi | patch ready? | 18:05 |
| dbite | I had a few more discussions and decided to write the code on top of Sphinx if possible. | 18:05 |
| dbite | rluethi: No, patch is not ready for another day or two. | 18:05 |
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| rluethi | just kidding :) | 18:05 |
| dbite | Phew! | 18:05 |
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| dbite | I discussed out progress with Andreas Jaeger today. | 18:06 |
| dbite | He agrees with our plans for the parser. | 18:06 |
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| dbite | anything on this topic? | 18:06 |
| rluethi | nothing since yesterday. | 18:06 |
| dbite | ok | 18:06 |
| dbite | next topic? | 18:06 |
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| rluethi | sure | 18:07 |
| dbite | #topic general-discussion | 18:07 |
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| dbite | I realized something ;) ... do we need to discuss something today? | 18:07 |
| dbite | Since Julen is not here. | 18:07 |
| rluethi | nothing urgent, I think we are pretty much synced up. | 18:08 |
| rluethi | I worked on the PXE patch today. | 18:08 |
| dbite | Anything interesting? | 18:08 |
| rluethi | then I managed to blow the work away by accident. | 18:08 |
| dbite | That is interesting :D | 18:08 |
| rluethi | No, just refactoring to get it to the level where we need it. | 18:08 |
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| dbite | rluethi: Ok, Ill try to test it tomorrow. | 18:09 |
| rluethi | It's a cool feature, so we need to get it right, and it's too much work for Julen to figure out everything by himself. | 18:09 |
| dbite | I agree. | 18:09 |
| dbite | anything else? | 18:09 |
| dbite | Nothing much from my side. | 18:09 |
| dbite | #action rluethi work on PXE feature with Julen | 18:09 |
| dbite | #action dbite work on parser POC | 18:10 |
| rluethi | Let me know when you have something on the parser side. | 18:10 |
| dbite | rluethi: yes, I want to try and get something workable by tomorrow. There is not much required for discussing anymore. | 18:10 |
| rluethi | okay. let's call it a day and I will try to recreate the patch I worked on this morning. | 18:11 |
| dbite | ok. | 18:11 |
| dbite | bye | 18:11 |
| rluethi | bye. | 18:11 |
| dbite | #endmeeting | 18:11 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 27 18:11:16 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:11 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-06-27-18.01.html | 18:11 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-06-27-18.01.txt | 18:11 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 27 20:00:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| diazjf | o/ | 20:00 |
| jmckind_ | o/ | 20:00 |
| panatl | o/ | 20:00 |
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| kfarr | o/ | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | Not a whole lot of barbicaneers here today... | 20:01 |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | no matter we'll have an awesome meeting anyway! | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | As usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda | 20:02 |
| redrobot | and as usual... there's nothing there. :-P | 20:02 |
| redrobot | we can make it up as we go... | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #topic Mid-Cycle | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mid-Cycle (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:03 | |
| redrobot | diazjf do you have news for us? | 20:03 |
| diazjf | redrobot, yessir | 20:03 |
| diazjf | So I was able to secure a room for August 15 - 19 | 20:03 |
| diazjf | Only 17 people registered so far | 20:04 |
| diazjf | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-security-midcycle-N | 20:04 |
| redrobot | diazjf sweet! | 20:04 |
| redrobot | diazjf do you want to announce it on the mailing list? | 20:04 |
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| diazjf | No funding available for food :(. Still waiting on Rob for that | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | diazjf ok, I'll ask and see if maybe Rackspace can pick up breakfast/lunch on a day or two | 20:05 |
| diazjf | I'll ping you later this week, to make sure its all good before I announce it :) | 20:05 |
| redrobot | diazjf sounds good | 20:05 |
| diazjf | I'll fund some donuts :) | 20:05 |
| redrobot | #info Mid-cycle may be happening on August 15-19 | 20:06 |
| redrobot | #action diazjf to announce mid-cycle on ML later this week | 20:06 |
| diazjf | and I'll attend the security meeting to let them know as well | 20:06 |
| redrobot | any other topics we need to talk about? | 20:06 |
| redrobot | or reviews needing reviewing? | 20:06 |
| kfarr | How certain are those dates and times for the mid-cycle? | 20:06 |
| diazjf | We can talk about presentations | 20:06 |
| kfarr | For example, would it be pretty safe to buy a plane ticket at this point? | 20:07 |
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| kfarr | Or would it be safer to wait? | 20:07 |
| diazjf | kfarr, safer to wait until next week | 20:07 |
| kfarr | diazjf, ok thanks | 20:07 |
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| diazjf | I'm in Miami now, but will be in Austin next week to final finalize. So far they said confirmed but I wanna make sure 100% | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | word | 20:08 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:08 |
| * redrobot waves at woodster_ did you come bearing topics? | 20:08 | |
| * woodster_ alas no, sorry | 20:09 | |
| arunkant | redrobot: Can you review multiple backend https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263972/ . I have tried to address your review comments on it. Will like to have approval before start impl in 2 weeks. | 20:09 |
| redrobot | arunkant will do | 20:10 |
| arunkant | redrobot: thx | 20:10 |
| woodster_ | arunkant: I need to refresh myself on that one too | 20:10 |
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| arunkant | woodster_ ..okay ..will be good to have design aspect/comments ironed out before start impl on it. | 20:13 |
| redrobot | I guess we're all on top of everything, and there's not much to discuss... ;) | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | we can hang out for a couple more minutes, I guess, and then we can get a lot of time back | 20:15 |
| arunkant | redrobot: is rackspace using fernet token ? Any thoughts on using barbican as key manager for manging keys needed for fernet token ? | 20:16 |
| redrobot | #topic Fernet Tokens | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | arunkant I'm not sure if we're using fernet tokens or not? I can ask the folks on the identity team though. | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | arunkant It's a weird chicken+egg problem for keystone to use barbican since we depend on them for access control | 20:18 |
| lbragstad | redrobot arunkant rackspace uses the same concept of a non-persistent token, but it's not the exact fernet implementation | 20:18 |
| arunkant | there was discussion in morning with diazjf ..to find out if there are use-cases in leveraging barbican or castellan as key manager | 20:18 |
| diazjf | arunkant, and a few others an I are experimenting with the possibility of fernet keys stored in barbican. | 20:19 |
| redrobot | lbragstad thanks! | 20:19 |
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| lbragstad | redrobot no problem! | 20:19 |
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| redrobot | diazjf arunkant fernet keys in general or fernet keys for keystone to use when issuing fernet tokens? | 20:19 |
| arunkant | redrobot: for that..there was thought of using cert based authentication and barbican server can act as trusted client with known CN for keystone authentication | 20:20 |
| diazjf | redrobot, so the barbican will be responsible for generation and storage of fernet keys | 20:20 |
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| lbragstad | i proposed a spec to keystone's backlog after visiting with an operator at the summit - https://github.com/openstack/keystone-specs/blob/master/specs/keystone/backlog/fernet-key-store.rst | 20:22 |
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| arunkant | lbragstad : I think gyee mentioned about same spec and we are trying to see what are the use-cases for using keymanager backend . | 20:24 |
| lbragstad | arunkant cool | 20:25 |
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| redrobot | I'll read up on that spec lbragstad linked | 20:27 |
| redrobot | I don't see why someone couldn't write a barbican spec for the barbican bits needed to generate fernet tokens | 20:28 |
| gyee | if a spec is what you seek, you shall get :-) | 20:28 |
| diazjf | :) :) :) :) | 20:29 |
| redrobot | anything else on this topic or any other topics? | 20:30 |
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| arunkant | none from my side | 20:31 |
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| redrobot | cool beans, let's call it a day then | 20:33 |
| redrobot | thanks everyone for coming! | 20:33 |
| redrobot | oh before I forget | 20:33 |
| redrobot | #info no meeting next week since it's a US holiday. | 20:34 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 27 20:34:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-06-27-20.00.html | 20:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-06-27-20.00.txt | 20:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-06-27-20.00.log.html | 20:34 |
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| shamail | #startmeeting product working group | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 27 21:00:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| shamail | Hi everyone! Who do we have today? | 21:00 |
| HeidiJoy | Hello! | 21:01 |
| shamail | Hi HeidiJoy! | 21:01 |
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| KrishR | o/ | 21:01 |
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| rockyg | o/ | 21:02 |
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| pchadwick | o/ | 21:02 |
| HeidiJoy | I'm updating the Newton project tracker now, @shamail | 21:02 |
| leong | o/ | 21:02 |
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| shamail | Hi KrishR, rockyg, pchadwick, and leong | 21:02 |
| pchadwick | Hi shamail | 21:02 |
| shamail | Agenda for today: | 21:02 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:02 |
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| shamail | #topic Midcycle planning | 21:03 |
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| MeganR | o/ | 21:03 |
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| shamail | Hi MeganR | 21:03 |
| shamail | You might have seen that the ops-meetup has been scheduled now | 21:04 |
| shamail | It will happen in NYC on August 25/26 (right after OpenStack Day East) | 21:04 |
| shamail | The challenge for us is that we usually co-locate with the ops-meetup and have a two day midcycle, however with OpenStack Day East and Ops Meetup happening in the same week… this only leaves one day free | 21:05 |
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| shamail | Carol sent an email on our mailing list with a few proposals so let’s take a moment to see which options work for the team | 21:05 |
| shamail | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/product-wg/2016-June/001200.html | 21:05 |
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| shamail | The three options are essentially: | 21:06 |
| shamail | A) Use Monday (8/22) for our F2F midcycle and then have another day as a virtual mid-cycle covering the remaining topics | 21:06 |
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| shamail | An additional benefit of this approach is that those who can’t travel will still be able to participate in one of the midcycle days | 21:07 |
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| shamail | The downside is that we might not have enough time on 8/22 to reach conclusions on certain topics or discussions might stop mid-way through | 21:07 |
| shamail | B) Make our agenda fit one day and only have the midcycle on 8/22 | 21:08 |
| pchadwick | Alternative would be to start with the F2F and follow up with virtual | 21:08 |
| pchadwick | Call it B' | 21:08 |
| shamail | pchadwick: Agreed, option A is one physical one virtual.. virtual could be on either end | 21:08 |
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| shamail | So B’ is one day worth of agenda items with an option to overflow into a virtual day? | 21:09 |
| pchadwick | Vacation schedules are going to be a killer in August, so it is easier to plan one day and try to manage the agenda | 21:09 |
| pchadwick | Yes | 21:09 |
| shamail | got it | 21:09 |
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| shamail | Option C) Is to have Enterprise WG and Product WG have co-located midcycles this time and not have PWG co-locate with ops meetup | 21:09 |
| shamail | This would allow EWG to have one full day, one day for book sprint, and then PWG could use two days for midcycle | 21:10 |
| shamail | The downside here is that people that want to attend both ops meetup and midcycle might have a hard time getting approval | 21:10 |
| pchadwick | I will likely be at OpenStack East in any event. | 21:10 |
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| shamail | #startvote Which midcycle option do you prefer? A, B, B’, C | 21:11 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Which midcycle option do you prefer? Valid vote options are A, B, B, C. | 21:11 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 21:11 |
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| shamail | ack | 21:11 |
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| shamail | #endvote | 21:11 |
| openstack | Voted on "Which midcycle option do you prefer?" Results are | 21:11 |
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| shamail | #startvote Which midcycle option do you prefer? A, B, B2, C | 21:11 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Which midcycle option do you prefer? Valid vote options are A, B, B2, C. | 21:11 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 21:11 |
| KrishR | C | 21:11 |
| shamail | krish do #vote ahead of it | 21:11 |
| KrishR | #vote C | 21:11 |
| shamail | #vote B | 21:12 |
| pchadwick | #vote b2 | 21:12 |
| leong | #vote c | 21:12 |
| HeidiJoy | #vote A | 21:12 |
| MeganR | vote a | 21:12 |
| MeganR | #vote a | 21:12 |
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| shamail | ping rockyg | 21:12 |
| rockyg | Yeah. Totally undecided. Six of one. Half doezen of the other. | 21:12 |
| shamail | Alright, closing vote... | 21:12 |
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| shamail | lol | 21:13 |
| shamail | #endvote | 21:13 |
| openstack | Voted on "Which midcycle option do you prefer?" Results are | 21:13 |
| openstack | A (2): HeidiJoy, MeganR | 21:13 |
| openstack | C (2): leong, KrishR | 21:13 |
| openstack | B (1): shamail | 21:13 |
| openstack | B2 (1): pchadwick | 21:13 |
| pchadwick | So now we do a run-off between A and C? | 21:13 |
| shamail | We’ll let Carol cast the tie-breaking vote when she gets back from her trip :) | 21:13 |
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| rockyg | Sounds good.l | 21:14 |
| shamail | yeah pchadwick, I think that would be the next logical step. Let’s take option A and C to mailing list and finalize at the next meeting | 21:14 |
| shamail | Sound good? | 21:14 |
| leong | +1 | 21:14 |
| KrishR | +1 | 21:14 |
| pchadwick | +1 | 21:14 |
| shamail | There are a lot of ppl not here today: Arkady, Carol, Ken, and others | 21:14 |
| MeganR | +1 | 21:14 |
| pchadwick | Welcome to summer. ;) | 21:14 |
| shamail | hah yeah | 21:14 |
| shamail | #action Send email to ML between options A and C… finalize midcycle plans by 7/11 | 21:15 |
| leong | better to get a "higher" quorum before we make decision | 21:15 |
| shamail | leong: +1 | 21:15 |
| shamail | #topic Newton Design Series update | 21:15 |
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| shamail | HeidiJoy: Do you mind leading this topic? | 21:15 |
| HeidiJoy | Happy to do so! | 21:16 |
| shamail | Thank you! | 21:16 |
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| HeidiJoy | Folks please take a look at this Google sheet: | 21:16 |
| HeidiJoy | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hVSoNXRlp7X1VLEyulI_0PCJbfWbL6_Ue4y7jpsHp7k/edit#gid=1358080590 | 21:16 |
| HeidiJoy | What you're seeing in column L are final produced videos. | 21:16 |
| HeidiJoy | Where we're stuck is column J - getting the PPTs created and approved by the PTLs | 21:16 |
| HeidiJoy | If I've missed a PPT from you, please send it my way (email is great) and I'll push it over to the video editor we hired to accelerate this project. | 21:17 |
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| HeidiJoy | Right now he's just standing by waiting for more content from us. We have virtually all of the videos recorded (except those in red column H) | 21:17 |
| shamail | (Please check column i if you are unsure whether you have any outstanding slides based on the sheet) | 21:17 |
| pchadwick | heidijoy: I thought I sent you the link to the Manila video | 21:18 |
| HeidiJoy | I apologize if I missed it - I'll double check right now | 21:18 |
| HeidiJoy | Thank you | 21:18 |
| pchadwick | If not, let me know (of course we have to hope that /me can find it | 21:18 |
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| pchadwick | and I did not realize that I needed to create slides. Will look at that this week. | 21:19 |
| HeidiJoy | I do need you to re-send it - it's not in my email @pchadwick | 21:19 |
| shamail | pchadwick: If you have cycles it would be appreciated, otherwise I can do them foryou | 21:19 |
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| pchadwick | I look a bit open this week, so let me at least take a first pass | 21:19 |
| shamail | Thanks | 21:20 |
| shamail | i’ll send you the templae | 21:20 |
| shamail | template* | 21:20 |
| pchadwick | shamail: thanks. | 21:20 |
| shamail | HeidiJoy: How is the roll-out planned? Are you putting this out 3-4 at a time or plan to release all at once? | 21:20 |
| HeidiJoy | Correct - they should come out about 3 at a time via Superuser. | 21:20 |
| HeidiJoy | Also they'll be uploaded to the foundation's YouTube, and we'll have a playlist | 21:21 |
| shamail | Awesome | 21:21 |
| pchadwick | heidijoy: just shared the link | 21:21 |
| HeidiJoy | We'll be prepping all of that this week, but meanwhile I want to be sure I capture all of the slides so that we can wrap up video edits. | 21:21 |
| KrishR | HeidiJoy: I pinged Disckinson again for approval of the Swift slides - we should just go with the draft if we don't hear back | 21:22 |
| shamail | I have responses from 3 PTLs, I just need to incorporate their feedback and send you final version of the slides for Horizon, Triple O, and Ironic | 21:22 |
| HeidiJoy | This is great - thanks to all of you! | 21:22 |
| shamail | I agree KrishR… I have sent two emails to Graham for Designate, I will try again and then we should proceed | 21:22 |
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| shamail | Thank you HeidiJoy! | 21:23 |
| shamail | #topic CPL Updates | 21:23 |
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| HeidiJoy | So to wrap up this topic, please just check to see where we've stalled out on any interviews that might be yours (indicated in red) and we hope to get them all to green. Thanks again. | 21:23 |
| shamail | HeidiJoy: +1 | 21:24 |
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| shamail | On CPL updates, we plan to start with the first round of updates on 7/11 | 21:24 |
| shamail | We will be starting with Kolla, Horizon, and Cinder | 21:24 |
| shamail | We are looking for additional CPLs who can volunteer to get on the update backlog | 21:24 |
| shamail | Please send an email to Carol and/or I if there is a particular week that works best for you and we will add your project to the agenda | 21:25 |
| KrishR | shamail: i can do Telemetry on 7/18 | 21:26 |
| shamail | #action All CPLs: Please send an email to Carol and/or Shamail on the best time for you to do a project update to the PWG | 21:26 |
| shamail | #agree KrishR will report on Telemetry on 7/18 | 21:26 |
| shamail | thanks KrishR! | 21:26 |
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| shamail | #topic Opens | 21:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Opens (Meeting topic: product working group)" | 21:26 | |
| shamail | #info There will be no team meeting on 7/4 due to U.S. Holiday | 21:27 |
| shamail | Our next meeting will be on 7/11 | 21:27 |
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| pchadwick | What is our plan for PWG session submissions. | 21:27 |
| shamail | Good question pchadwick | 21:27 |
| pchadwick | These should be due by the 13th no? | 21:27 |
| shamail | They are indeed | 21:27 |
| shamail | We should definitely add that to our agenda for 7/11 | 21:27 |
| pchadwick | I am ok with putting the themes session back in assuming someone wants to join in the fun. | 21:27 |
| shamail | I think the themes presentation would be a good one to repeat | 21:28 |
| shamail | We can also do the roadmap one again (separate from themes) | 21:28 |
| leong | i thought we agree before that we should always to a theme presentation every summit? | 21:28 |
| pchadwick | +1 - I think we should coordinate them better. | 21:29 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Barcelona_Sessions | 21:29 |
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| pchadwick | leong: I wasn't sure if that was automatically accepted. | 21:29 |
| leong | i mean "roadmap" | 21:29 |
| shamail | Here is an etherpad we had put together for session ideas | 21:29 |
| shamail | leong: We did agree to that but we have always gone through the CFP process | 21:29 |
| leong | got it | 21:29 |
| shamail | We do let the Foundation know as well just in case | 21:30 |
| shamail | HeidiJoy: still here? | 21:30 |
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| HeidiJoy | Yes | 21:30 |
| shamail | When can we schedule the meeting with the Foundation marketing team to discuss themes and it would be great to get executive feedback on the roadmap as well | 21:30 |
| shamail | e.g. what works, doesn’t, guidance, etc. | 21:30 |
| pchadwick | The HA for VMs team will be submitting a session, not sure if we want to track it here | 21:30 |
| pchadwick | shamail: +1 | 21:31 |
| shamail | pchadwick: Please add it to the etherpad, tracking makes sense I think | 21:31 |
| HeidiJoy | I will check on scheduling, aim for before they take off for Asia. | 21:31 |
| shamail | Thanks HeidiJoy | 21:31 |
| shamail | Anything else, anyone? | 21:31 |
| KrishR | pchadwick: is that Adam doing the HA for VMs submission? would love to see a draft | 21:32 |
| pchadwick | Yes - /me looks for his abstract | 21:32 |
| pchadwick | Shamail: I don't have the abstract yet, but I think it will be an update of what he and Dawid did in Austin | 21:34 |
| shamail | Thanks! | 21:34 |
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| shamail | take care all! | 21:34 |
| pchadwick | BTW - Adam suggested creating an HA track - or at least declare it a formal cross project item | 21:34 |
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| KrishR | pchadwick: +1 | 21:35 |
| pchadwick | Does anyone know how we cause that to happen? Or does it only come from the technical commitee. | 21:36 |
| leong | -1 for HA track.. but +1 for cross project item | 21:36 |
| rockyg | cross project item is much easier. | 21:37 |
| rockyg | We add it to cross-project etherpad when they create it. | 21:37 |
| leong | ha for cross project item would come from TC | 21:37 |
| rockyg | Get some dev folks to help, like John Garbutt, or other interested devs | 21:37 |
| rockyg | get enough votes and it will be there. | 21:38 |
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| leong | rocky can you post the cross-project etherpad link here | 21:38 |
| pchadwick | leong: +1 | 21:39 |
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| HeidiJoy | I have a meeting scheduled for the roadmap - 1p PDT 6/30, just need to know who wants to attend and I'll send invites | 21:39 |
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| rockyg | when they announce it, I'll post to the list and add to the etherpad. about one month to three weekd out | 21:40 |
| pchadwick | heidijoy: Add me - I'll attend if I can | 21:40 |
| HeidiJoy | OK! | 21:40 |
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| shamail | #endmeeting | 21:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 27 21:41:50 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-06-27-21.00.html | 21:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-06-27-21.00.txt | 21:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-06-27-21.00.log.html | 21:41 |
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