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shardy | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 28 14:00:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shardy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:00 |
shardy | #topic rollcall | 14:00 |
EmilienM | o/ | 14:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
d0ugal | o/ | 14:00 |
shardy | Hi all, who's around? | 14:00 |
weshay | \o | 14:00 |
ccamacho | Hello guys o/ | 14:00 |
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hrybacki | o/ | 14:00 |
skramaja | hello | 14:00 |
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sanjayu | o/ | 14:00 |
trown | o/ | 14:00 |
leifmadsen | ohai | 14:00 |
matbu | \o | 14:00 |
myoung | o/ | 14:00 |
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marios | \o | 14:00 |
rhallisey | hey | 14:00 |
beagles | o/ | 14:00 |
panda | o/ | 14:00 |
sshnaidm | o/ | 14:00 |
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shardy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TripleO | 14:01 |
shardy | #topic agenda | 14:01 |
shardy | * one off agenda items | 14:01 |
shardy | * bugs | 14:01 |
shardy | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:01 |
shardy | * CI | 14:01 |
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shardy | * Specs | 14:01 |
shardy | * open discussion | 14:01 |
shardy | Anyone have anything else to add to the one-off items before we get started? | 14:01 |
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shardy | #topic one off agenda items | 14:02 |
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jtomasek_ | o/ | 14:02 |
shardy | So there are two - first was from me, following discussions with EmilienM re CI outages | 14:02 |
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shardy | we wanted to start some discussion on if there's a more effective way to spread the load of constantly fixing CI | 14:03 |
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shardy | and also, see if there are things (such as moving onto a managed cloud) which will help reduce the overhead of these tasks | 14:03 |
shardy | we can cover this now, or in the CI section, I don't mind | 14:03 |
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EmilienM | we can cover it during CI topic | 14:04 |
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slagle | a weekly rotation of those willing to make it a top priority for a week at a time? | 14:04 |
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EmilienM | I just wanted to make sure we start the oooq/ooo-ci discussion sometimes during this meeting | 14:04 |
derekh | o/ | 14:04 |
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shardy | slagle: something like that would probably help - I know folks easily burn out if there's too small a pool of people regularly battling the breakages | 14:04 |
trown | +1 to easily burning out when it is a small group | 14:05 |
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slagle | yes, the person "on call" so to speak really just makes sure there is a bz filed, someone somewhere is looking at it, communicates the outage, etc | 14:05 |
shardy | So, yeah that's the other part, weshay indicated there may be more opportunity to reduce fragmentation of CI effort if we were to start using tripleo-quickstart in upstream CI | 14:05 |
sanjayu | if there is a noob CI guide I would like to help | 14:05 |
sshnaidm | weekly volunteering groups? | 14:05 |
shardy | what do folks think about that? | 14:05 |
EmilienM | shardy: right, some people (me included) burned a lot of time recently | 14:05 |
trown | I think the tripleo core reviewer team has to be responsible for keeping CI working | 14:05 |
* shardy realises we're doing this now not in the CI section, but nevermind, we've started now ;) | 14:05 | |
EmilienM | shardy: it has huge impact on the features we wanted to deliver | 14:05 |
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weshay | +1.. any way to get mentored and more involved | 14:06 |
d0ugal | Yeah, knowing how to help is tricky | 14:06 |
EmilienM | I also would like to propore some automation, dprince & I discussed about it last week: something that would tell you what changed between latest successful job and current broken situation so we would easily find what broke tripleo | 14:06 |
EmilienM | propose* | 14:07 |
shardy | sanjayu: There isn't, but perhaps having folks willing to help get people involved by helping them learn how to debug etc would be a good idea | 14:07 |
weshay | if some of the more experienced folks volunteered to mentor 1 newbie each that would really help a lot | 14:07 |
ccamacho | +1 keeping CI working, based on weekly groups not to get burn out | 14:07 |
leifmadsen | +1 to being mentored :) | 14:07 |
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beagles | +1 to weshay's and sanjayu's sentiment. | 14:07 |
shardy | weshay: I think we can do that, if there's a commitment those folks can dedicate time to helping | 14:07 |
sshnaidm | EmilienM, yep, I thought about the same, I can take action item about this | 14:07 |
EmilienM | the problem is that some failures are sysadmin things on systems a few have access | 14:07 |
ccamacho | weshay, what do you need? should we organize like a session to get some overall idea about what to check when seeing errors | 14:08 |
weshay | I think sshnaidm and derek have already built a good relationship and derek has been helping sshnaidm around | 14:08 |
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EmilienM | so even if we mentor people, they won't have access to the system to restart things or fix space issue, etc | 14:08 |
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EmilienM | sshnaidm: sure, go ahead | 14:08 |
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leifmadsen | at least initially, but as they become more comfortable and are trusted, maybe more people can be given access to offload | 14:08 |
weshay | I think any newb should review the bootcamp materials.. first off | 14:08 |
EmilienM | +1 ^ | 14:08 |
trown | EmilienM: ya, I think there are two separate failure scenarios, the one you mention is only fixable by 2 or 3 people | 14:09 |
derekh | EmilienM: your correct we could do with more sys admins, but most of our issues don't require sysadmin rights to fix | 14:09 |
trown | that situation would be alleviated by a managed cloud | 14:09 |
shardy | It seems like there are three distinct tasks (1) Keeping the CI cloud running (2) keeping the CI scripts running (3) dealing with constant trunk regressions | 14:09 |
leifmadsen | there may be other ways of triggering restarts that don't require direct access, like maybe a script cna monitor commits somewhere, and certain people give commit access; then you have a log, and not direct SSH access (controls of what you can run, etc) | 14:09 |
leifmadsen | alternatively sudo could be used to control restart commands | 14:09 |
slagle | EmilienM: you keep bring that up, and i think it's a little unfairly negative | 14:09 |
derekh | trown: no it wouldn't, we'd still need to decide who has access to the squid server and mirror server for example | 14:10 |
slagle | EmilienM: we've regularly given access to people in the past who 1) ask, 2) show they're trustworthy | 14:10 |
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shardy | (1) may be helped by moving to a managed cloud which I know is planned, but (2) & (3) are likely to remain I think | 14:10 |
EmilienM | slagle: well, gaerman needed to be restarted a few times lately | 14:10 |
EmilienM | slagle: this week-end included | 14:10 |
slagle | EmilienM: those are about the only requirements | 14:10 |
sshnaidm | it's better to have somebody from tripleo-core in weekly group for merging and system access and any others could join | 14:10 |
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trown | ya, I think the rotation idea requires one tripleo core reviewer at a minimum | 14:11 |
derekh | EmilienM: yes, we needed to restart gearman pretty much every day last week, this was fallout from infras move away from jenkins | 14:11 |
weshay | I'd like to match panda up w/ someone, maybe that could happen offline | 14:11 |
EmilienM | sshnaidm: +1 | 14:11 |
slagle | EmilienM: i'm not saying access wasn't required. i'm saying going on about who does/doesn't have access isn't the root of the problem | 14:11 |
derekh | EmilienM: and even on a managed cloud, only a subset of people would have access to it (if we had a hearman) | 14:11 |
slagle | EmilienM: the people who have access are the ones who have participated in fixing ci in the past, and have asked for access | 14:11 |
EmilienM | right, root access is required for a low amount of our failures. | 14:12 |
shardy | Ok, so we seem to have agreed on two things here: | 14:12 |
shardy | 1. Setup a rolling rota of folks willing to drop everything when CI breaks | 14:13 |
shardy | 2. Arrange to mentor new folks so they can be included on that rota (along with existing/core folks) | 14:13 |
shardy | The third question was around tripleo-quickstart | 14:13 |
shardy | derekh: what are your thoughts on that? | 14:13 |
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trown | shardy: I think we need to define which fo the three scenarios are involved with 1, ie, I constantly work on trunk regressions, but not much on the other two | 14:13 |
EmilienM | well, when CI breaks, I don't see how the rest of the team can work | 14:13 |
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shardy | EmilienM: people have all kinds of other priorities competing for their time | 14:14 |
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derekh | I'm a little skeptical about the rolling rota, a person (or more), needs to have tripleo-ci as the only thing they do, that person should look at the ci status page constanctly and jump on any falures they see | 14:14 |
EmilienM | I personally can't resist to work on CI issues when CI is red | 14:14 |
trown | tripleo-quickstart is not a drop in replacement for our current CI, but I do think it begins to make sense when we have an OVB cloud | 14:14 |
EmilienM | and I'm not doing composable services work when CI is broken, because I consider CI > everything else | 14:14 |
derekh | others can and should help when its red also | 14:15 |
weshay | +1 | 14:15 |
EmilienM | someone who is 100% working on tripleo can't ignore a tripleo CI outage | 14:15 |
EmilienM | it's like sending patches and know they'll fail | 14:15 |
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EmilienM | what is the goal of that ^? | 14:15 |
slagle | the point of the rotation was just to help spread the load | 14:15 |
slagle | not rotate the responsibility of CI | 14:16 |
EmilienM | +1 for the rotation though | 14:16 |
slagle | w/o the rotation and just saying "everyone does it", that's what we have now | 14:16 |
shardy | Yep, to encourage wider participation and spread the load | 14:16 |
EmilienM | it sounds a good plan, let's try it | 14:16 |
ccamacho | slagle +1 | 14:16 |
slagle | the rotation doesnt mean it's just that person's job for a week | 14:16 |
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panda | how many people for each rotation are needed ? | 14:16 |
slagle | it's still everyone's job, all the time | 14:16 |
shardy | it's not like we're going to discourage anyone not on the rota from fixing stuff, it's just providing some folks to act as coordinators and make sure stuff gets fixed | 14:17 |
EmilienM | panda: I would say 1 expert mentoring 1 'noob' | 14:17 |
EmilienM | so by the time we have more experts | 14:17 |
weshay | +1 | 14:17 |
EmilienM | we need to take care of timezones also | 14:17 |
EmilienM | maybe do 2 groups, 1 in EMEA and one in NA | 14:17 |
slagle | why don't we make the rotation 1 experienced and 1 noob | 14:17 |
slagle | who work together | 14:18 |
weshay | +1 | 14:18 |
marios | EmilienM: +1 maybe 2 'shifts' per rotation | 14:18 |
EmilienM | 1 expert (derek or shardy) in EMEA with panda + etc | 14:18 |
shardy | Ok, we probably need to timebox this - I'll start a ML thread and we can follow up on thsi discussion there, if that's OK with everyone? | 14:18 |
slagle | +1 | 14:18 |
EmilienM | it was an example ^ I didn't mean to name all folks | 14:18 |
trown | +1 ya, this could take the whole meeting | 14:18 |
EmilienM | +1 for ML | 14:18 |
d0ugal | +1 | 14:18 |
shardy | +1 on combining some kind of rotation with mentoring | 14:18 |
weshay | woot | 14:18 |
sanjayu | +1 | 14:18 |
jokke_ | ++ on that | 14:18 |
shardy | slagle: want to cover your item now? | 14:19 |
slagle | yes, i added: Investigating using https://storyboard-dev.openstack.org to track tripleo-ci tasks (slagle) | 14:19 |
EmilienM | marios: right, so we cover both tz without forcing people staying late | 14:19 |
slagle | for those that dont know, the long term plan is to migrate all openstack projects to storyboard | 14:19 |
derekh | Unless somebody is fulltime on CI (in addition to the rota of people to help out), I dont think it will work | 14:19 |
slagle | i've also been getting some feedback about the visibility (mostly the lack thereof) of our work in launchpad | 14:19 |
shardy | hasn't that been the plan for, like, several years now? | 14:20 |
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slagle | shardy: it's more concrete now, at in that there is an accepted spec | 14:20 |
EmilienM | puppet group investigated 2 years ago and storyboard was really not ready for us but now it looks really better | 14:20 |
slagle | yes, it's better, and keeps getting better | 14:20 |
EmilienM | a big +1 on this idea | 14:20 |
shardy | Ok, well we can investigate - but what are the complaints about our launchpad content? | 14:20 |
slagle | so what i'm proposing is tracking our ci related tasks in storyboard | 14:20 |
slagle | since we don't currently use launchpad for that | 14:21 |
shardy | I think our blueprints are currently too big in some cases, but otherwise things are working OK I think | 14:21 |
EmilienM | we'll need to re-write our bot that sends alert, we like this thing | 14:21 |
slagle | and i dont want to duplicate anything | 14:21 |
slagle | we would still have bugs in lp that affect CI | 14:21 |
shardy | slagle: so this would replace the CI trello board then? | 14:21 |
slagle | shardy: um :), maybe? | 14:21 |
slagle | i dont know of a ci trello board | 14:21 |
weshay | so.. that would be used to determine who is working on which failing job? | 14:21 |
slagle | which one? | 14:21 |
shardy | I don't really care what tool we use tbh, but I really, really dislike tracking the same work in multiple places | 14:21 |
EmilienM | https://trello.com/b/0jIoMrdo/tripleo | 14:22 |
jrist | +1000 | 14:22 |
derekh | shardy: if its the one I was working on at one stage, people mostly didn't use it | 14:22 |
slagle | shardy: no one uses that | 14:22 |
EmilienM | derekh: puppet group has same situation, we have a trello but barely used. | 14:22 |
shardy | derekh: Yeah, critical bugs with the alert bot seem to be working OK AFAICS | 14:22 |
slagle | my first idea was to revive that | 14:22 |
slagle | but then decided to investigate storyboard instead | 14:22 |
shardy | slagle: I guess that was my point ;) | 14:22 |
slagle | so in storyboard we'd have things like the planned ovb work, multinode work, rh2 rack work, etc | 14:23 |
slagle | stuff that we aren't actually tracking anywhere right now | 14:23 |
shardy | what does storyboard offer which will make actually using it more likely? | 14:23 |
EmilienM | +1 to be aligned with OpenStack projects, so +1 for storyboard, it's a sane long term solution I thikn | 14:23 |
shardy | vs the trello board | 14:23 |
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EmilienM | shardy: it's integrated with OpenStack workflows | 14:24 |
slagle | shardy: dunno. this isn't about comparing the tools honestly | 14:24 |
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EmilienM | bugs, blueprints, interractions with gerrit, etc | 14:24 |
shardy | EmilienM: Ok, that's a compelling reason :) | 14:24 |
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slagle | EmilienM: that's only for -dev btw right now | 14:24 |
slagle | so the main gerrit is not yet integrated | 14:24 |
shardy | slagle: sure, I'm just trying to figure out if this will be different, not really comparing the tools | 14:24 |
trown | ya I think it is more about needing to track that stuff, and if we are going to try and revive trello might as well use the infra tool instead | 14:24 |
EmilienM | slagle: right, it's WIP | 14:25 |
slagle | trown: yes exactly | 14:25 |
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shardy | Ok, well +1 on giving it a try | 14:25 |
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slagle | plus, storyboard team is excited about getting our feedback | 14:25 |
slagle | and they want to work with project teams | 14:25 |
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EmilienM | maybe we can iterate by using it for one project | 14:26 |
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EmilienM | like | 14:26 |
EmilienM | tht or something | 14:26 |
slagle | EmilienM: i'm proposing just tripleo-ci | 14:26 |
trown | ya CI seems like a good place to start | 14:26 |
slagle | EmilienM: no on tht | 14:26 |
EmilienM | cool ok | 14:26 |
slagle | we use lp on that | 14:26 |
slagle | we dont want to duplicate | 14:26 |
shardy | Ok, sounds like we're agreed to give it a try - shall we move on? | 14:26 |
trown | +1 | 14:26 |
slagle | i'll mail the list with a summary | 14:26 |
shardy | slagle: +1, thanks! | 14:27 |
shardy | #topic bugs | 14:27 |
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shardy | So, other than the CI impacting issues we're fighting, anyone have any specific bugs to mention? | 14:27 |
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shardy | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 14:27 |
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EmilienM | weshay has a bug with neutron master | 14:27 |
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ccamacho | I like the storyboard idea, I was trying to create some kind of nit finder, as I was investing lot of time finding nits in tht submissions, with storyboard we might log them also.. http://mosquito-ccamacho.rhcloud.com/_plugin/tripleo-nit-finder/ and find config_settings.. | 14:28 |
weshay | EmilienM, we're looking at that again.. rechecking w/ more resources on the undercloud | 14:28 |
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shardy | hehe tripleo-nit-finder sounds like a code-review bot ;) | 14:28 |
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trown | seems like a lot of not in progress critical bugs? | 14:29 |
shardy | trown: Yeah, that was going to be my next comment - there are still a lot of stale/obsolte bugs | 14:29 |
shardy | please can everyone review the list of bugs reported by them, and close those either fixed or no longer valid | 14:30 |
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slagle | i think we need a purge of blueprints too :) | 14:30 |
slagle | i can look through them this week | 14:30 |
shardy | quite a few expired from incomplete recently, but there's still many I think we should close or mark invalid in there | 14:30 |
EmilienM | also probably some duplicate | 14:31 |
shardy | slagle: Yeah, maybe - I did a purge of some BPs at the start of newton, but any help much appreciated | 14:31 |
shardy | Ok, anything else on bugs before we move on? | 14:31 |
shardy | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:32 |
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shardy | So, it's only ~2weeks until n-2 | 14:32 |
shardy | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 14:32 |
shardy | #link https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/newton-2 | 14:32 |
shardy | There's a huge amount of in-progress stuff there :( | 14:33 |
shardy | So when we fix CI, can folks please prioritize reviews for patches on that list, and help burn down the in-progress things so they land | 14:33 |
shardy | e.g both bugs and blueprints | 14:33 |
shardy | If we don't do that, a bunch of stuff will slip to n3, and I'd really rather avoid that if we can | 14:34 |
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EmilienM | Composable Services Within Roles is making slow progress recently, due to CI outages, but once CI is back, we'll finish it, almost everything is WIP and under review | 14:34 |
shardy | EmilienM: excellent, well that sounds encouraging provided we can get a clear few days of CI working | 14:34 |
EmilienM | yeah, I'm confident we can make it | 14:35 |
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shardy | beagles: what's the status of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo/+spec/neutron-dvr-support? | 14:35 |
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shardy | should we bump that to n-3 as it's not started? | 14:35 |
shardy | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo/+spec/overcloud-upgrades-workflow-mitaka-to-newton | 14:35 |
shardy | marios: same question re ^^ | 14:36 |
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shardy | Ok, well if I don't see the implementation set soon, I'll bump them to n3 | 14:37 |
beagles | shardy: it's actually pretty decent | 14:37 |
beagles | (wrong room) | 14:37 |
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beagles | I just have to fix up the patch a bit and it should work okay | 14:37 |
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beagles | it's what I'm mainly focused on finishing up at the moment | 14:37 |
shardy | beagles: Ok, good news - can you change the implementation on the BP to reflect the current status, e.g "good progress" or whatever? | 14:37 |
beagles | yup | 14:38 |
shardy | thanks! | 14:38 |
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shardy | Ok, anything else to discuss re releases atm? | 14:38 |
trown | I plan to do a 0.1 release or tripleo-quickstart this week, then start on switching virt docs for it | 14:38 |
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trown | s/or/of/ | 14:38 |
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shardy | trown: Ok, sounds good - there has been some confusion around docs for quickstart/non-quickstart | 14:39 |
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shardy | #topic CI | 14:39 |
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trown | ya we were missing some bits to reproduce tripleo-ci workflow, but panda++ has implemented those | 14:39 |
shardy | So, we covered the trunk regressions etc earlier, but derekh did you want to discuss the current state of switching to OVB? | 14:40 |
EmilienM | ok jistr is not around but we're tring to revert a patch, see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335008/ | 14:40 |
EmilienM | current situation is HA & upgrade jobs are broken | 14:40 |
shardy | that seems very relevant from a moving to a managed cloud perspective | 14:40 |
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EmilienM | we think it's related to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330096/ | 14:40 |
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shardy | pradk: ^^ FYI we'll have to revert that if it proves to fix CI | 14:40 |
EmilienM | I'm telneting the job and it just failed the HA job... I'll investigate | 14:41 |
shardy | we can then work out what the issue is and un-revert it later | 14:41 |
weshay | are there any questions re: the development of quickstart? | 14:42 |
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shardy | weshay: I believe there are several questions around developer workflow with quickstart | 14:42 |
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shardy | I tried it a while back and reported some bugs, but ultimately couldn't switch over to using it for my daily workflow | 14:43 |
panda | shardy: that's what we're working at the moment | 14:43 |
shardy | we'll have to revisit some of those things as stuff like docs and potentially CI gets changed to use it | 14:43 |
weshay | panda, is validating that atm, ensuring there is a good user experience. I know he has found and is fixing at least two bugs thee | 14:43 |
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weshay | there | 14:43 |
slagle | weshay: i'd be interested to know what the goals of the project are | 14:43 |
panda | shardy: I'm very interested in you feedback on the previous experience | 14:44 |
slagle | i think it started as virt-setup replacement | 14:44 |
slagle | now we're talking about a CI switch | 14:44 |
weshay | to have a very fast, user friendly install of tripleo with pre-validated content | 14:44 |
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trown | that is a bit broad... but the main goal of the project has always been to "provide a good new user experience of tripleo" | 14:44 |
trown | in order to do that, I think that "experience" needs to be thoroughly CI'd | 14:45 |
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shardy | panda: I reported several bugs, the main blocker is it's hard to deploy trunk easily | 14:45 |
slagle | i would like to see the work tracked a bit more openly in launchpad | 14:45 |
shardy | using it in CI might solve that if we made the images available for developer usage | 14:45 |
slagle | so the plans for project direction is more visible | 14:45 |
marios | shardy: sry, on a call | 14:45 |
derekh | If we were to move our CI to all ovb clouds, how does quickstart fit in with that? does it need to? | 14:45 |
slagle | e.g., what is this usbkey installer, what are the goals, where are we going with it, etc | 14:45 |
trown | there is alot tracked in launchpad... I think more than most other tripleo projects actually | 14:46 |
slagle | there may be other folks with ideas about that, who would like to participate | 14:46 |
slagle | trown: are there bp's for any of the new features? | 14:46 |
shardy | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo-quickstart | 14:46 |
panda | shardy: ok, I'll ping you later to get more details and to see what you consider an acceptable workflow. Should be easier to deploy trunk now. | 14:46 |
weshay | we had ovb working w/ some previous CI, rlandy is preparing ovb for quickstart now | 14:46 |
EmilienM | slagle: good questions, I also wonder why we have some external bits like IPA server integration, etc | 14:46 |
weshay | ooo-usbkey was something rbowen requested.. basically tripleo-quickstart src on a usbkey paired w/ an undercloud/overcloud image on the key | 14:47 |
trown | slagle: all of the work to enable a developer workflow are tracked in launchpad bugs | 14:47 |
weshay | EmilienM, re: ipa and quickstart? | 14:48 |
trown | slagle: I am guessing by new features you are refering to the external roles that quickstart can use? | 14:48 |
EmilienM | weshay: yeah | 14:48 |
EmilienM | weshay: what is the goal? | 14:48 |
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slagle | trown: i dont think so, unless those are part of quickstart directly | 14:49 |
weshay | EmilienM, we're showing folks how to integrate w/ external repos/roles so that all these features are not in a tool that is meant to replace instack-virt-setup | 14:49 |
trown | slagle: those are being developed independently as things that can be plugged in to quickstart, but are not required for a good new user experience | 14:49 |
weshay | using composable ansible roles | 14:49 |
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slagle | trown: i'm thinking things like usbkey, baremetal | 14:49 |
slagle | virt-setup was the original goal | 14:49 |
trown | baremetal is an external role | 14:49 |
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weshay | ya.. baremetal is also done outside of quickstart | 14:49 |
EmilienM | so we have composable ansible roles in oooq vs composable roles in THT | 14:49 |
leifmadsen | baremetal is something I've been exploring as well with oooq | 14:49 |
weshay | not vs | 14:49 |
weshay | rlandy, ^ | 14:50 |
trown | EmilienM: too different meanings of role | 14:50 |
slagle | trown: ok i guess i dont really know what is where | 14:50 |
trown | role is an ansible specific term equal to puppet module | 14:50 |
rlandy | we have baremetal jobs running | 14:50 |
slagle | i see full-deploy-baremetal.sh | 14:50 |
slagle | that sounds like baremetal | 14:50 |
slagle | but maybe i'm jumping to conclusions :) | 14:50 |
rlandy | and I am working on the ovb solution | 14:50 |
weshay | so we have quickstart pulling in 3rd party repos and using those as part of the extra deployment steps | 14:50 |
weshay | one needs for bare metal | 14:50 |
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rlandy | slagle: ack - I just added that | 14:50 |
rlandy | for the baremetal jjb | 14:51 |
trown | ok, so maybe we should move the ci-scripts in quickstart to somewhere in RDO... it is just easier to have them in-tree, but I can see how if one just looks at that dir it would be confusing | 14:51 |
shardy | weshay: getting that into the main repo seems like it would be a good thing to aim for? | 14:51 |
rlandy | there are three roles added to enable baremetal testing | 14:51 |
trown | but ci-scripts dir is really rdo-ci-scripts | 14:51 |
EmilienM | weshay: but IPA server would run on undercloud? or on the host? | 14:51 |
weshay | shardy, not sure.. I see the repos in redhat-openstack as a good place to incubate roles until we're 100% sure they are solid | 14:51 |
slagle | trown: right, the ci-scripts dir makes me think this is a replaceement for tripleo-ci | 14:51 |
slagle | trown: which...may be fine eventually | 14:51 |
EmilienM | shardy: we need to take care of the timing | 14:52 |
slagle | but it's a planning discussion yet to be had | 14:52 |
slagle | but it seems oooq is already moving into being a ci tool | 14:52 |
weshay | but think they could always stay external.. or be moved in.. doesn't really matter | 14:52 |
trown | slagle: well it has worked very well in RDO | 14:52 |
weshay | it's composable :) | 14:52 |
shardy | weshay: Ok, I guess I'm just worried about switching docs for VM to oooq then we have the baremetal docs as completely different | 14:52 |
trown | and it kind of makes sense to have the most CI run against the thing new users try first | 14:53 |
slagle | trown: and it might work very well for tripleo one day. but right now the project is a tripleo project | 14:53 |
shardy | but we can work that out as the docs stuff gets proposed I guess | 14:53 |
slagle | not an rdo project | 14:53 |
weshay | shardy, so we're developing w/ that in mind... | 14:53 |
trown | slagle: not sure I get your point | 14:53 |
EmilienM | weshay: my question is more "why not using instack-undercloud" for such roles | 14:53 |
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slagle | trown: these ci scrpts are for what? rdo or tripleo? | 14:53 |
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weshay | EmilienM, not sure what you mean | 14:53 |
trown | slagle: RDO | 14:53 |
weshay | we use instack-undercloud.. you mean the repo? | 14:54 |
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slagle | trown: then maybe they shouldn't be in an upstream tripleo repo | 14:54 |
slagle | we have a repo for that already, tripleo-ci | 14:54 |
trown | slagle: well, does the project have a different way to gate itself? | 14:54 |
weshay | we have a similar set of ci-scripts in an internal repo as well for rhos | 14:54 |
rlandy | shardy: one of my goals is to get the oooq baremetal doc in place | 14:54 |
EmilienM | weshay: for IPA server, why not setup it on undercloud?, just a thought | 14:54 |
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shardy | slagle: to be fair, the discussion around potentially using quickstart in upstream CI was based on a desire to improve collaboration between RDO and upstream CI | 14:54 |
weshay | EmilienM, you'd have to ask adam young that | 14:54 |
shardy | so just saying let's remove it may not be the best path towards that | 14:55 |
weshay | it's not something we're driving | 14:55 |
EmilienM | weshay: so that's leading to the "what is the scope of quickstack" | 14:55 |
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slagle | shardy: that's not what i'm saying | 14:55 |
weshay | but we are showing him how to integrate it via 3rd party git repo | 14:55 |
shardy | EmilienM: because the undercloud is a single point of failure | 14:55 |
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EmilienM | weshay: do we accept any new role? so why not deploying openstack services then? | 14:55 |
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EmilienM | shardy: right | 14:55 |
slagle | shardy: i'm trying to understand where we are going | 14:55 |
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weshay | EmilienM, define accept | 14:55 |
slagle | shardy: we have duplication between oooq and trpleo-ci | 14:55 |
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EmilienM | but imho, oooq should not be a place to put services that we dont want on undercloud | 14:56 |
trown | slagle: I dont think we do | 14:56 |
weshay | we'll add new roles to a role gate, but thus far, only one role has been promoted to first class afaict | 14:56 |
EmilienM | ie: new services, like IPA | 14:56 |
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weshay | so there is a fairly long incubation period | 14:56 |
trown | slagle: tripleo-ci is not able to gate tripleo-quickstart, which was discussed in the spec | 14:56 |
EmilienM | weshay: just a note, I personally like oooq, I use it almost every day. Just asking questions about roles ;-) | 14:56 |
trown | slagle: it was agreed to have it be third-party CI via RDO | 14:56 |
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slagle | trown: yes, for virt-setup | 14:57 |
weshay | EmilienM, thus far the criteria has been, a role is in our role-gate, running daily somewhere, and part of the rdo promotion gate | 14:57 |
slagle | since that is not covered by tripleo-ci | 14:57 |
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EmilienM | slagle: yes we have duplication also with composable roles in oooq and what we do on instack-undercloud I think | 14:57 |
weshay | how so? | 14:57 |
weshay | I'm confused by that | 14:57 |
trown | slagle: ok so would it make you happy to move all of the ci scripts out that are not gating virt-setup? | 14:57 |
EmilienM | because we're deploying services that we used to manage with puppet, etc | 14:57 |
trown | it is pretty trivial to do so, though I dont personally see the benefit to tripleo | 14:58 |
EmilienM | let's say, instack-undercloud is multi node, why not using it for IPA server? | 14:58 |
slagle | trown: it would make me happy if we discussed a plan about where we are trying to go with oooq | 14:58 |
weshay | EmilienM, oh.. so.. we are not driving any of the IPA work | 14:58 |
weshay | I see what you are saying now | 14:58 |
EmilienM | I just see people sending roles in OOOQ because instack is single node, shouldn't we focus efforts on getting instack multi node? | 14:58 |
EmilienM | ok, let's put it this way: | 14:58 |
EmilienM | why don't we work on getting instack undercloud multi nodes | 14:59 |
slagle | trown: that's all. i'm not asking for things to be removed | 14:59 |
EmilienM | and use the same thing as composable roles work that we do | 14:59 |
EmilienM | instead of using OOOQ to deploy new services on the undercloud or host | 14:59 |
trown | slagle: k, what form should that take... ML to start? | 14:59 |
weshay | EmilienM, that sounds fine, again.. we have nothing to do w/ the IPA work.. | 14:59 |
shardy | We're out of time folks, and apologies we've missed specs and open discussion this week (although we've pretty much ended up in open discussion I think) | 14:59 |
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slagle | trown: would just like to get some alignment...so we can see how to improve tripleo-ci to maybe have it use oooq, or whatever we come up with | 14:59 |
shardy | let's continue in #tripleo :) | 14:59 |
EmilienM | weshay: yeah, it's just an example | 14:59 |
shardy | thanks everyone! | 15:00 |
jrist | \o | 15:00 |
shardy | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
EmilienM | shardy: thx ! | 15:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 28 15:00:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-06-28-14.00.html | 15:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-06-28-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
derekh | thx | 15:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-06-28-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
trown | thanks shardy | 15:00 |
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ccamacho | /o/ | 15:00 |
jokke_ | thanks | 15:00 |
ccamacho | thanks! | 15:00 |
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tmorin | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 28 15:02:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:02 |
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tmorin | hi everyone | 15:02 |
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tmorin | hi doude matrohon pcarver timirnich wdeclercq michaelxin | 15:03 |
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matrohon | hi | 15:03 |
wdeclercq | Hey | 15:03 |
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tmorin | hi michchap | 15:05 |
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tmorin | let's start ? | 15:05 |
tmorin | #announce | 15:05 |
tmorin | Horizon admin GUI has merged last Friday | 15:06 |
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tmorin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322134/ | 15:06 |
tmorin | good to see this land | 15:06 |
tmorin | the tenant GUI work is in progress | 15:06 |
tmorin | the work on adding the VNI field is in progress | 15:07 |
tmorin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332711/ | 15:07 |
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tmorin | the change looks good as far as I can tell | 15:07 |
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tmorin | matrohon: your review is wanted ! :) | 15:07 |
tmorin | ^ | 15:08 |
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* matrohon looking | 15:08 | |
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tmorin | a discussion is also in progress on launchpad, on the semantic to give to the VNI field in the particular case of multiple Router associations | 15:08 |
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tmorin | #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/1590908 | 15:08 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1590908 in networking-bgpvpn "[RFE] Add 'VNI' column in bgpvpns table in Neutron database." [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Steve Ruan (ruansx) | 15:08 |
matrohon | tmorin, thanks, I'll add a look before the end of the week | 15:08 |
matrohon | s/add/had | 15:08 |
tmorin | mickeys and me have been discussing, and I think reaching a possible conclusion | 15:09 |
matrohon | s/had/have :) | 15:09 |
tmorin | :) | 15:09 |
tmorin | understood, thanks matrohon | 15:09 |
tmorin | I'm waiting for mickeys reply | 15:09 |
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tmorin | done for ongoing changes/bug | 15:10 |
tmorin | #topic what else | 15:10 |
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tmorin | what else to discuss today ? | 15:10 |
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tmorin | #undo | 15:11 |
openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x7f2b350d6250> | 15:11 |
tmorin | something I forgot on the VNI discussion: | 15:11 |
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tmorin | wdeclercq: could you check with Diego about the discussion in https://launchpad.net/bugs/1590908 ? | 15:12 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1590908 in networking-bgpvpn "[RFE] Add 'VNI' column in bgpvpns table in Neutron database." [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Steve Ruan (ruansx) | 15:12 |
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tmorin | wdeclercq: the discussion on the semantic of the VNI field was essentially with Diego, it would be good to check that he's still happy with the change we would apply | 15:12 |
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wdeclercq | Alright. I'll send him an email after this meeting :) | 15:13 |
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tmorin | k, thanks! | 15:13 |
tmorin | #topic neutronclient CLI to OSC | 15:14 |
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tmorin | we know we'll have something to do to support the OSC CLI client | 15:14 |
tmorin | this is part of the criteria for the neutron stadium | 15:14 |
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tmorin | it would be good to have someone volunteer to do the work | 15:15 |
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tmorin | this item looks like a reasonable amount of work, but we need someone to take it up | 15:15 |
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tmorin | #help someone needed to take on the work to support the openstack CLI client | 15:16 |
tmorin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/1561993 | 15:16 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1561993 in networking-bgpvpn "support for openstack CLI" [High,Confirmed] | 15:16 |
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tmorin | ok, so, unless we have something else to discuss, we have 45minutes to wait for someone to volunteer :) | 15:17 |
tmorin | matrohon ? | 15:17 |
tmorin | wdeclercq ? | 15:17 |
tmorin | pcarver ? | 15:17 |
tmorin | :) | 15:17 |
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wdeclercq | Nothing here. | 15:17 |
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tmorin | ok, we'll see during next meeting... | 15:20 |
tmorin | let's wrap up for today | 15:20 |
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tmorin | thanks everyone | 15:20 |
tmorin | #endmeeting | 15:20 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-06-28-15.02.html | 15:20 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-06-28-15.02.txt | 15:20 |
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hongbin | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 28 16:00:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:00 |
hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-06-28_1600_UTC Today's agenda | 16:00 |
hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
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strigazi | Spyros Trigazis | 16:00 |
muralia_ | murali allada | 16:00 |
mkrai_ | Madhuri Kumari | 16:00 |
tonanhngo | Ton Ngo | 16:01 |
dane_leblanc | o/ | 16:01 |
adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:01 |
hongbin | tonanhngo: you changed your IRC nick? | 16:01 |
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hongbin | Thanks for joining the meeting strigazi muralia_ mkrai_ tonanhngo dane_leblanc adrian_otto | 16:02 |
tonanhngo | The nickserver made me, I will see if I can get back to tango :) | 16:02 |
hongbin | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
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hongbin | I have no announcement | 16:02 |
hongbin | Any announcement from our team member? | 16:02 |
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hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 16:03 |
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hongbin | 1. muralia confirm the date and location for the Magnum midcycle (DONE) | 16:03 |
hongbin | Date: Aug 4 - 5 | 16:03 |
hongbin | Location: 9001 North I H 35 #150, Austin | 16:03 |
hongbin | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/magnum-midcycle-tickets-26245489967 Ticket | 16:03 |
hongbin | So far, I sold 11 tickets | 16:03 |
tonanhngo | Good sale! | 16:04 |
muralia_ | those who plan to come, please RSVP so I can get a headcount for organizing the event. | 16:04 |
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mkrai_ | Any way to attend for remote attendees? | 16:04 |
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muralia_ | yes, we'll try to use google hangouts like we did last time | 16:04 |
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mkrai_ | Thanks muralia_ | 16:05 |
strigazi | muralia_: We have to do anything else than buying a ticket from eventbrite? | 16:05 |
muralia_ | nope, just that. hongbin will give me an update | 16:05 |
strigazi | ok | 16:05 |
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hongbin | OK. Advance topic | 16:06 |
hongbin | #topic Essential Blueprints Review | 16:06 |
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tcammann | o/ | 16:06 |
hongbin | 1. Support baremetal container clusters (strigazi) | 16:06 |
hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-baremetal-full-support | 16:06 |
hongbin | tcammann: Have you bought the ticket for midcycle? https://www.eventbrite.com/e/magnum-midcycle-tickets-26245489967 | 16:07 |
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swatson | o/ I'm late! | 16:07 |
strigazi | I have updated the bp's whiteboard. Currently i'm working on setting up a gate job for a k8s ironic bay | 16:07 |
strigazi | Someone could start writing swarm-fedora-ironic templates | 16:08 |
strigazi | similar to k8s-fedora-ironic | 16:08 |
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strigazi | I don't have anything else for this bp | 16:09 |
hongbin | strigazi: The k8s-fedora-ironic is working? | 16:09 |
mkrai_ | I would like to write the template for swarm | 16:09 |
strigazi | on devstack yes | 16:09 |
strigazi | thanks mkrai_ | 16:10 |
tonanhngo | is it possible to test on real baremetal yet? | 16:10 |
strigazi | hongbin, it's better to have a gate job to verify this | 16:10 |
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hongbin | strigazi: The gate job is fine, but I guess poeple are looking for verifying it manually as well | 16:10 |
strigazi | I think it is, but you must have a real openstack deployment with ironic | 16:10 |
hongbin | strigazi: ack | 16:11 |
tonanhngo | Is there instruction on the ironic wiki? | 16:11 |
tonanhngo | (for real bare metal) | 16:11 |
strigazi | hongbin, having a job will help us verify that future patches won't break them and will force us updating them | 16:11 |
strigazi | tonanhngo, haven't check. I'll verify it | 16:12 |
hongbin | strigazi: I agree with that. My point is folks are earger to verify it manually :) | 16:12 |
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tonanhngo | ok, I would be interested to try it on baremetal | 16:12 |
strigazi | tonanhngo ok | 16:13 |
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strigazi | tonanhngo, let me what happen | 16:13 |
strigazi | the thing is | 16:13 |
strigazi | that you need at least two baremetal machines for that | 16:13 |
tonanhngo | right, because of our bay | 16:14 |
strigazi | I'll try to find as well | 16:14 |
strigazi | it's exciting to break bare metal and not only vms :) | 16:14 |
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hongbin | OK. Any further comment? | 16:15 |
hongbin | 2. Magnum User Guide for Cloud Operator (tango) | 16:15 |
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hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/user-guide | 16:15 |
tonanhngo | The Swarm section merged, and the baymodel section is currently under review. Thanks everyone for the helpful reviews. | 16:16 |
tonanhngo | I am working on the bay section now, should have it uploaded in the next few days | 16:16 |
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tonanhngo | so, steady progress. | 16:16 |
tonanhngo | that's all I have | 16:17 |
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hongbin | Thanks tonanhngo | 16:17 |
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muralia_ | also, please take a look at the bay driver section patch everyone | 16:17 |
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hongbin | That lead to the next BP | 16:17 |
hongbin | 3. COE Bay Drivers (jamie_h, muralia) | 16:17 |
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hongbin | muralia_: status? | 16:18 |
muralia_ | so, this patch needs a little bit more work. since I submitted a new patch last week, a few new patches got merged to the old classes. I need to move those today. I'm seeing functional test failures currently and working on those. | 16:18 |
muralia_ | do review it thought as its almost done. just needs some tweeking for the failures. | 16:19 |
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muralia_ | I've removed references to the old classes and moved over swarm related code and templates to the driver folder | 16:19 |
muralia_ | thats it for me | 16:19 |
strigazi | muralia_: I have a question | 16:20 |
muralia_ | yes | 16:20 |
strigazi | The driver is loaded dynamically? Does magnum searches for the available drivers? | 16:21 |
muralia_ | no, not yet. first step it to move the code while still using the config file as the entry point. | 16:21 |
strigazi | ok | 16:21 |
muralia_ | however, i've removed the hardcoded paths to the templates | 16:22 |
muralia_ | those are discovered as we know the folder structure | 16:22 |
strigazi | I'll try to merge it to my patch and push for k8s | 16:22 |
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strigazi | that's all | 16:23 |
hongbin | muralia_: A minor suggestion. Since you patch is large, you can do this | 16:23 |
hongbin | muralia_: When you patch is ready to merge, you can search the list of conflicted patches, and giva -1 on them to request the conflicting patches to merge later or depends on your patch | 16:23 |
muralia_ | sure. i will do that. thanks | 16:24 |
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hongbin | ok | 16:24 |
hongbin | Hopefully, that will reduce the amout of work to resolve conflicts | 16:24 |
hongbin | 4. Create a magnum installation guide (strigazi) | 16:24 |
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hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-installation-guide | 16:24 |
strigazi | Good news | 16:24 |
strigazi | http://docs.openstack.org/project-install-guide/container-infrastructure-management/draft/ | 16:25 |
strigazi | I also pushed and tested with the latest opensuse packages | 16:25 |
strigazi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335051/ | 16:25 |
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strigazi | WIP: build deb packages to test on ubuntu/debian from master and lbaasV1 install notes | 16:26 |
strigazi | that's it | 16:26 |
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hongbin | strigazi: Thanks. This one looks professional :) http://docs.openstack.org/project-install-guide/container-infrastructure-management/draft/ | 16:27 |
hongbin | strigazi: Thanks for the hard work | 16:27 |
strigazi | :) | 16:27 |
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mkrai_ | strigazi: Thanks. Looks really cool :) | 16:27 |
hongbin | #topic Magnum UI Subteam Update (bradjones) | 16:28 |
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hongbin | I didn't receive any update from brad | 16:28 |
hongbin | So let's skip this | 16:28 |
hongbin | #topic Kuryr Integration Update (tango) | 16:28 |
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hongbin | tonanhngo: ^^ | 16:29 |
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tonanhngo | I attended the Kuryr meeting yesterday | 16:29 |
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tonanhngo | most of the discussion was on the code refactoring, which will impact our integration | 16:30 |
hongbin | Then, we need to wait for them to finish? | 16:30 |
tonanhngo | basically, the current code is specific to libnetwork, so it needs to be generalized to accommodate CNI and other drivers | 16:30 |
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tonanhngo | no, I am moving ahead with the current code, but our patches will remain WIP until they finish the refactoring | 16:31 |
hongbin | ack | 16:31 |
tonanhngo | So we will make adjustment along the way as they proceed | 16:31 |
tonanhngo | I am still debugging the Swarm bay with Kuryr | 16:32 |
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tonanhngo | I tried the container image for openvswitch agent from Kolla. It needs some config so I am working on this | 16:32 |
tonanhngo | I may need to ping the Kolla team if I get stuck | 16:33 |
tonanhngo | I also asked Vikas to update the Kuryr spec on the part mentioning Magnum API for container | 16:33 |
tonanhngo | He will remove those references | 16:34 |
tonanhngo | That's all for now | 16:34 |
hongbin | Thanks tonanhngo | 16:34 |
hongbin | Any question for Ton? | 16:34 |
hongbin | #topic Other blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas | 16:35 |
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hongbin | 1. Asynchronous Operations for bay? | 16:35 |
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hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/async-container-operations Asynchronous Container Operations | 16:35 |
hongbin | muralia_: I remembered you requested to discuss this one? | 16:35 |
muralia_ | yes, there are a few patches out there for async bay apis | 16:35 |
muralia_ | it changes the create behavior a little but | 16:36 |
muralia_ | the api does not return the entire bay object now, just the uuid as its still being created when the api returns | 16:36 |
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muralia_ | what does this affect? | 16:37 |
muralia_ | will it affect the UI integration? | 16:37 |
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muralia_ | just wanted everyone to be aware | 16:37 |
hongbin | I am not sure the UI part, need to talk to Shu about that | 16:37 |
muralia_ | ok. | 16:37 |
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adrian_otto | hongbin is Shu able to attend our team meetings, or is that not practical because of timezones? | 16:38 |
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hongbin | adrian_otto: He is in Japan, it is late everning for him | 16:38 |
Drago | Link to Async Bay Operations patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330771/ | 16:38 |
adrian_otto | I see | 16:38 |
muralia_ | we'll need to update the getting started docs. Can you folks think of anything else this might impact? do leave comments | 16:38 |
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strigazi | muralia_: which docs do you mean? | 16:39 |
hongbin | muralia_: Heat has a bay resource. Might worth to check if it is still working after teh patch | 16:39 |
hongbin | muralia_: mkrai_ Murano has a Magnum plugin, does it still work? | 16:40 |
muralia_ | strigazi: actually, i just checked again and the getting started guide does not show what bay create returns. so we are good. | 16:40 |
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mkrai_ | hongbin: I see some error on Magnum App | 16:40 |
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mkrai_ | But haven't looked in detail | 16:41 |
muralia_ | hongbin: thanks. we'll check all of these | 16:41 |
hongbin | mkrai_: ack. Does it related to the aysnc patch or not? | 16:41 |
mkrai_ | I guess it is not | 16:41 |
mkrai_ | It is some authorization error | 16:41 |
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hongbin | mkrai_: OK. We can work on that offline | 16:41 |
mkrai_ | Sure | 16:42 |
hongbin | Any other comment on this topic? | 16:42 |
freerunner | hm, somebody says 'Murano' here | 16:42 |
freerunner | hi folks :) | 16:42 |
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hongbin | freerunner: Hi, we talked about the magnum-app for murano | 16:43 |
mkrai_ | freerunner: Yes we are talking about Magnum app | 16:43 |
freerunner | Looks like we have a bug for your case, yep. https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano-apps/+bug/1595511 | 16:43 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1595511 in murano-apps "[Magnum][Murano] deployment of Magnum bay application is failed" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Madhuri Kumari (madhuri-rai07) | 16:43 |
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mkrai_ | freerunner: Thanks for it. I will try to submit the fix tomorrow | 16:43 |
freerunner | mkrai_: Wow! Thank you very much! | 16:44 |
muralia_ | freerunner: thanks for that. we were also discussing a new change to make bay API's async. | 16:44 |
muralia_ | it changes the bay create behavior a little bit. | 16:44 |
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muralia_ | it now only returns a uuid as the bay is being created in the background. | 16:45 |
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muralia_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330771/ | 16:45 |
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mkrai_ | muralia_: Thanks for putting this up. I will check it for Magnum app | 16:45 |
muralia_ | freerunner: can you take a look at this patch and comment on it. we'd like to know if it breaks anything for you | 16:46 |
hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 16:46 |
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freerunner | muralia_: Will try to review it soon :) | 16:46 |
muralia_ | thanks | 16:47 |
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hongbin | Anyone has a topic to discuss? | 16:47 |
strigazi | yeap | 16:47 |
hongbin | strigazi: go ahead | 16:48 |
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strigazi | Do we have a list of magnum users? Do we now people using it? | 16:48 |
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strigazi | Can we do something about it? | 16:49 |
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strigazi | Is it possible to have section in the wiki page for that? | 16:49 |
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hongbin | strigazi: good idea | 16:49 |
strigazi | that's it | 16:49 |
hongbin | strigazi: I believe CERN is a user of Magnum? | 16:50 |
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strigazi | yes we have two blog posts about our use case | 16:50 |
hongbin | Yes, from what I know, CERN is the only reported user | 16:50 |
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hongbin | muralia_: adrian_otto Does Rackspace have any plan to adopt Magnum? | 16:51 |
muralia_ | yes, we have internal deployments, but not available to our users yet. we do plan to. | 16:52 |
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hongbin | muralia_: ack | 16:52 |
hongbin | I will create a wiki session for listing the users | 16:52 |
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hongbin | For everyone, you can add yourselves if you want | 16:53 |
tonanhngo | I guess we will have solicit and get agreement for the users to be listed | 16:53 |
hongbin | #action hongbin create a wiki session to report a list of Magnum users | 16:53 |
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hongbin | tonanhngo: Yes, it is up to them to edit the wiki to list themselves | 16:53 |
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hongbin | OK. If there is no other topic, we can finish a bit earlier | 16:55 |
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hongbin | #endmeeting | 16:55 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 28 16:55:30 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:55 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-06-28-16.00.html | 16:55 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-06-28-16.00.txt | 16:55 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-06-28-16.00.log.html | 16:55 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 28 17:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
kzaitsev_mb | #topic rollcall | 17:00 |
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kzaitsev_mb | let's see who is going to make it to todays meeting =) | 17:00 |
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vakovalchuk | \o/ | 17:01 |
freerunner | \o/ | 17:01 |
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kzaitsev_mb | A large portion of our team has a day off today ) | 17:01 |
vakovalchuk | like me | 17:01 |
zhurong | 0/ | 17:01 |
kzaitsev_mb | like you, yep =) | 17:01 |
StanLagun | o/ | 17:01 |
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kzaitsev_mb | Let's see if we have finished any of the AI from last time ) | 17:04 |
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sergmelikyan | o/ | 17:05 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #topic Action Items Review | 17:05 |
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kzaitsev_mb | 1) Nikolay_St kzaitsev_mb draft a spec with all the options we have considering swtiching from glance v1 to glance v2 | 17:06 |
kzaitsev_mb | that one is still in progress | 17:06 |
kzaitsev_mb | mine about asking horizon guyse is related and will be in the spec | 17:07 |
kzaitsev_mb | #action Nikolay_St kzaitsev_mb draft a spec with all the options we have considering swtiching from glance v1 to glance v2 | 17:07 |
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kzaitsev_mb | 2) Nikolay_St check convergence on 2d CI host and enable it | 17:07 |
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kzaitsev_mb | I think it's also not done yet, Nikolay has been working hard to enable 3d host for our CI lately | 17:08 |
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kzaitsev_mb | He's real close, so I guess he'll do that as soon as he get's a break from configuring the CI =) | 17:08 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #action Nikolay_St enable convergence on CI | 17:09 |
kzaitsev_mb | I guess it's time we just start using it and sort out any problems heat throws at us | 17:09 |
kzaitsev_mb | btw, I actually though we use heat from devstack on our CI, but apparently we dont | 17:09 |
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kzaitsev_mb | =/ | 17:09 |
kzaitsev_mb | not that we're using any complex heat features and should rely on the latest heat for CI puporses... | 17:11 |
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kzaitsev_mb | so I'm kind of ok with not having it that way | 17:11 |
kzaitsev_mb | just feels that we should remove it from CI then — should speed up tests by a minute or two | 17:11 |
kzaitsev_mb | ok, | 17:12 |
kzaitsev_mb | to the agenda | 17:12 |
kzaitsev_mb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda | 17:12 |
kzaitsev_mb | #topic murano-agent release model | 17:12 |
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kzaitsev_mb | This one is going to be really short unfortunatelly | 17:12 |
kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334534/ | 17:13 |
kzaitsev_mb | I've added a review, and wrote a letter just recently about the agent | 17:13 |
kzaitsev_mb | but 1) apparently we've missed the window for changing the release model | 17:14 |
kzaitsev_mb | I was really really sure that in mitaka it was m3, not m1 | 17:14 |
kzaitsev_mb | but then again it might be my memory playing tricks on me | 17:14 |
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Nikolay_St | hi all | 17:14 |
Nikolay_St | sorry for being late | 17:15 |
kzaitsev_mb | so we would have to postpone this idea untill ocata I guess =/ | 17:15 |
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kzaitsev_mb | anyways, I welcome you guys to leave comments in the review and to my mail regarding agent's release model | 17:16 |
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kzaitsev_mb | I think I'll try getting some of the dhellman's time and talk with him if we can go and change versioning of murano-agent. Since I surelly don't want to release a 3.0.0 version of the agent — the only real change that justifies it is py3 I guess | 17:18 |
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kzaitsev_mb | then again — we're not really tied to any branches with it | 17:19 |
kzaitsev_mb | so we can just release a 2.1.0 at the end of the cycle | 17:19 |
kzaitsev_mb | but I'm not really sure what the milestone tags should be then.. | 17:19 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev_mb clarify with the release-team versioning of milestones and full releases of murano-agent ETA: N2 | 17:20 |
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kzaitsev_mb | feels more like a monologue today =) | 17:20 |
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kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St: was it you who added convergence item to agenda? | 17:21 |
Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: no | 17:21 |
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kzaitsev_mb | let me check the wiki history then | 17:22 |
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kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: looks like it was you | 17:23 |
freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: Hm, I can't find convergence item in our agenda -_- | 17:23 |
kzaitsev_mb | #topic Make murano-coverage job voting and add coverage jobs to client and dashboard in non-voting mode | 17:23 |
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kzaitsev_mb | so, what's you take on it? =) | 17:23 |
kzaitsev_mb | oh man | 17:23 |
kzaitsev_mb | it's coverage =) | 17:23 |
freerunner | -_- | 17:23 |
freerunner | coverage, ofc =) | 17:23 |
freerunner | Folks, I would like to propose the following change as mentioned in topic | 17:24 |
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kzaitsev_mb | StanLagun: ativelkov: sergmelikyan: ^^^ | 17:24 |
sergmelikyan | + | 17:24 |
sergmelikyan | I totally support that | 17:25 |
freerunner | I think, that our coverage job is stable now. So, making it voting will give us a little bit more coverage | 17:25 |
kzaitsev_mb | zhurong: your opinion is also important =) | 17:25 |
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sergmelikyan | question is - do we actually running tests using heat at all? because my understanding is no | 17:25 |
sergmelikyan | than enabling convergence would not change anything | 17:25 |
kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: it's coverage not convergance | 17:25 |
sergmelikyan | or may be I am misunderstanding something? | 17:25 |
sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: :D | 17:25 |
sergmelikyan | yeah, I am misunderstanding question like totally ) | 17:26 |
StanLagun | don't like the idea of coverage job | 17:26 |
freerunner | Actually, I would like also add this job to muranoclient and dashboard. | 17:26 |
kzaitsev_mb | freerunner wants us to write more tests ) | 17:26 |
freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: Exactly :) | 17:26 |
sergmelikyan | I am worried that coverage job doesn't count muranopl tests | 17:26 |
sergmelikyan | StanLagun: reasons? | 17:27 |
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StanLagun | not because it's bad but because it's not always good and if its voting you have to improve the coverage in each commit even if your tests are not unit-tests and don't count | 17:27 |
kzaitsev_mb | StanLagun: not exactly, you can have no more than 5 more uncovered lines than before | 17:27 |
kzaitsev_mb | so you can in fact decrease the coverage | 17:28 |
sergmelikyan | :D | 17:28 |
StanLagun | :) | 17:28 |
kzaitsev_mb | but just really really a little =) | 17:28 |
sergmelikyan | folks, you are discussing how to cheat :) | 17:28 |
sergmelikyan | this is not right ) | 17:28 |
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kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: not exactly =) | 17:28 |
sergmelikyan | freerunner: what is out coverage for murano? | 17:28 |
StanLagun | I'd hate to see fake units tests that cover something else, not the code in the commit just to satisfy the job | 17:28 |
freerunner | sergmelikyan: In percentage?) | 17:29 |
sergmelikyan | yes | 17:29 |
kzaitsev_mb | it's more about the fact that it's sometimes hard to write good unit tests. or even impossible. If we're fixing a race condition for example | 17:29 |
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freerunner | sergmelikyan: ~68% | 17:29 |
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freerunner | sergmelikyan: This is unit test coverage. | 17:30 |
freerunner | sergmelikyan: I really would like to increase it. | 17:30 |
kzaitsev_mb | yeah, 68 seems a bit low | 17:31 |
Nikolay_St | freerunner: oh | 17:31 |
Nikolay_St | we have very bad coverage :D | 17:31 |
Nikolay_St | so, I'm +1 for voting job | 17:31 |
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kzaitsev_mb | I wouldn't say, that 68 is very bad ) | 17:31 |
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freerunner | Yep, it is bad, but not very bad. It will be ok, that our code will be covered for 85% + , for example ;) | 17:33 |
StanLagun | I'd say we should improve coverage but I have more faith in our developers to think that the only way to do it is to hit ourself in the head | 17:33 |
sergmelikyan | ? | 17:33 |
sergmelikyan | why you call that "hit ourself in the head"? :) | 17:34 |
freerunner | s/head/leg/g | 17:34 |
freerunner | mm? | 17:34 |
sergmelikyan | I would propose to keep the job non-voting until we have acceptable level of coverage | 17:34 |
sergmelikyan | s/hit/shoot | 17:34 |
StanLagun | I mean if we can improve coverage we should do it anyway. No need to go extreme and require coverage improvements on each commit even where it's impossble | 17:35 |
StanLagun | hit in the heat like if the job doesn't enforce you you won't do anything | 17:35 |
freerunner | StanLagun: Stan, then we will do it really slow. | 17:35 |
sergmelikyan | but from other perspective it's does not require to cover more, only cover what you are proposing for review | 17:35 |
kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: lets file a bp and advertise it on the ML and start improving that, shall we? =) | 17:36 |
sergmelikyan | which seems fare, we should cover our code with tests | 17:36 |
freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: File a bp for coverage or what?) | 17:36 |
StanLagun | wishlist bug | 17:36 |
freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: Filing a bp for voting jobs is overkill | 17:36 |
kzaitsev_mb | for increasing coverage, yep ) | 17:36 |
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freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: Really? I do not think, that this is helps us to increase our coverage shortly. | 17:38 |
sergmelikyan | So, I am voting for postponing making this job voting, but I encourage to set -1 for any change-request which is not covered by unit-tests and was not really clear how this works or reviewer has any doubts that it will work as expected | 17:38 |
sergmelikyan | *had | 17:38 |
kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: writing tests to increase the coverage is a good entry-level contribution opportunity | 17:38 |
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kzaitsev_mb | so, I would say, that we can benefit from advertising it on the ML, filing a bp and leading this initiatives ourselves | 17:39 |
sergmelikyan | So - you, as a reviewer, think that code might not work or have troubles reading the code? Set -1 and ask for unit-tests | 17:39 |
kzaitsev_mb | also, well, we're reviewers, right, we can always -1 if the job is red | 17:39 |
sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: what is your opinion on my proposal? | 17:39 |
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freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: That's will be the same if the job will be voting. | 17:39 |
kzaitsev_mb | I like sergmelikyan's idea more than making the job voting right now | 17:40 |
kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: making the job voting wouldn't make us increase the coverage | 17:40 |
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kzaitsev_mb | actually writing more tests would | 17:40 |
freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: This is not equal? | 17:41 |
kzaitsev_mb | and I suggest to do that in a most open way possible | 17:41 |
kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: I believe not. | 17:41 |
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freerunner | More tests == more coverage | 17:41 |
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kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: making job voting won't increase the coverage | 17:42 |
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freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: Maybe, but at least - this will help us to keep our 68% + | 17:43 |
kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: if the job would be voting — we would not write the tests for the 30% that we lack | 17:43 |
sergmelikyan | I think we can go to the next item in agenda, and save argues for #murano | 17:43 |
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freerunner | -_- | 17:45 |
kzaitsev_mb | #agreed Not to make coverage job voting, -1 in case the job is red | 17:45 |
kzaitsev_mb | at least we didn't agree otherwise ) | 17:46 |
freerunner | looks like.. | 17:46 |
kzaitsev_mb | #topic Open Discussion | 17:46 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev_mb file a bp and advertise it in the ML | 17:47 |
sergmelikyan | #action comfort freerunner | 17:47 |
kzaitsev_mb | =) | 17:47 |
kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev_mb file a bp and advertise it in the ML about increasing the coverage | 17:48 |
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kzaitsev_mb | We can always do that at least ;) regardles of voting or non-voting job | 17:48 |
kzaitsev_mb | Since we're talking about jobs | 17:48 |
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kzaitsev_mb | Can we delete gate-murano-pylint job? =) | 17:49 |
kzaitsev_mb | does anyone really check it? =) | 17:50 |
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freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: Yep. I forgot to add this item to agenda :) | 17:50 |
Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: I remember that we have a bp/bug to make pylint job green | 17:50 |
kzaitsev_mb | I think Philip Blaha added it, but since then I'm not really sure that anyone looks at it's results | 17:51 |
freerunner | Nikolay_St: Could you find it, please? | 17:51 |
kzaitsev_mb | the job is green | 17:51 |
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Nikolay_St | freerunner: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/reduce-pylint-warnings | 17:51 |
Nikolay_St | ddovbii added it | 17:51 |
kzaitsev_mb | but well the exceptions it throws are... vague at least ) | 17:52 |
kzaitsev_mb | "Too many statements (51/50)" =) | 17:52 |
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freerunner | ["Similar lines in 3 files", "from murano.dsl import constants"] | 17:53 |
freerunner | lol :) | 17:53 |
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zhurong | folks, shall we discuss about this patch:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334943/ about murano-client with OSC | 17:53 |
kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: exactly | 17:54 |
freerunner | zhurong: Well, I like this patch. | 17:55 |
zhurong | And Tang Chen give me another review:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333311/ ironicclient which project -2 to this | 17:55 |
kzaitsev_mb | zhurong: it should be in test-requirements.txt | 17:56 |
kzaitsev_mb | I believe | 17:56 |
kzaitsev_mb | ok, I'll propose the patch with removal of the pylint job and would advertise it on #murano | 17:56 |
kzaitsev_mb | or well | 17:57 |
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kzaitsev_mb | zhurong: just putting it back into requirements doesn't solve anything really | 17:57 |
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zhurong | yeap, but the comment is ironicclient give a lot of information for not include osc-lib right now | 17:57 |
freerunner | zhurong: It's unstable? | 17:58 |
zhurong | osc-lib not a stable version, there will change a lot | 17:58 |
kzaitsev_mb | so it should either be reverted back to openstackclient in the code, or we shouldn't accept this commit imo | 17:58 |
freerunner | zhurong: Hm, this changing everything. | 17:59 |
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kzaitsev_mb | ok, we're almost out of time | 17:59 |
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kzaitsev_mb | let's move the rest to #murano and to the review itself | 17:59 |
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zhurong | ok | 18:00 |
freerunner | kk | 18:00 |
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kzaitsev_mb | thanks for coming | 18:00 |
kzaitsev_mb | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-06-28-17.00.html | 18:00 |
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openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-06-28-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 28 19:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:00 |
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pvaneck | o/ | 19:01 |
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sslypushenko | o/ | 19:02 |
rockyg | o/ | 19:02 |
catherineD | hello everyone | 19:02 |
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catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-06-28 | 19:02 |
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catherineD | #topic Test results ownership | 19:03 |
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catherineD | #link Ownership of the test results ( https://blueprints.launchpad.net/refstack/+spec/test-results-ownership ) | 19:04 |
catherineD | #link Mark a test record as “used for OpenStack certification” ( https://blueprints.launchpad.net/refstack/+spec/certification-test-record ) | 19:04 |
catherineD | #link Specification to associate test results to products. ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332260/ ) | 19:05 |
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catherineD | There is a lot of discussion in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332260/ | 19:06 |
catherineD | could you please take a look | 19:06 |
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catherineD | we can discuss here or you can just add you comment to the blueprint or the patch ... I know it is a lot to read at one time | 19:08 |
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sslypushenko | catherineD: I'd say really *a lot* | 19:10 |
catherineD | sslypushenko: I know ... let's review off line? | 19:10 |
sslypushenko | maybe we can move on now and return later | 19:11 |
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rockyg | works for me..... | 19:11 |
catherineD | ok | 19:11 |
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rockyg | let's make sure hogepodge comments on this, though. | 19:11 |
hogepodge | o/ | 19:11 |
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catherineD | the agenda is kind of light today | 19:11 |
sslypushenko | or even schedule some mid week discussion in #refstack channel | 19:11 |
rockyg | And maybe markvoelker | 19:11 |
andrey-mp | o/ | 19:11 |
catherineD | hogepodge: hi | 19:11 |
hogepodge | I have a topic for open discussion too | 19:12 |
catherineD | hogepodge: could you add that to the agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-06-28 | 19:12 |
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sslypushenko | hogepodge: o/ | 19:13 |
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catherineD | schedule a midweek meeting seems like a good idea ... I really want to discuss the ownership transfer topic so that we proceed to coding ... I want to get feedback with live demo at defcore meeting | 19:14 |
catherineD | How is everyone's schedule on Thursday? | 19:14 |
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rockyg | I'm off Thursday. | 19:15 |
catherineD | oh | 19:15 |
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rockyg | And Friday. | 19:15 |
catherineD | how about Wed? which is tomorrow | 19:15 |
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rockyg | works for me | 19:16 |
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catherineD | hogepodge: sslypushenko: pvaneck: andrey-mp: how about you? | 19:16 |
pvaneck | whenever really | 19:17 |
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hogepodge | I'm generally free this week, especially after 12:30 tomorrow (PST) or Thursday | 19:17 |
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catherineD | how about meet at #refstack at 19:30 UTC on Wednesday? Please +1 or -1 | 19:18 |
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catherineD | Wednesday June 29, 2016 | 19:18 |
andrey-mp | wednesday and thursday works for me | 19:18 |
rockyg | =1 | 19:18 |
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sslypushenko | catherineD: +1 for Wednesday | 19:18 |
rockyg | +1 | 19:18 |
andrey-mp | what time? | 19:18 |
andrey-mp | 19:00 UTC ? | 19:19 |
andrey-mp | I | 19:19 |
catherineD | 19:30 which is like at this time tomorrow | 19:19 |
andrey-mp | I'll ask Alex what day he prefer | 19:19 |
catherineD | hogepodge: is only available after 12:30 PST | 19:19 |
hogepodge | Can't do that time | 19:19 |
hogepodge | I could swing 20:00 | 19:20 |
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hogepodge | I mean 18:00 | 19:20 |
catherineD | hogepodge: what is the best time for you tomorrow? | 19:20 |
catherineD | let's vote again to meet at 18:00 UTC on Wed (June 29) at #refstack | 19:20 |
hogepodge | 18:00 UTC, or after 22:00 utc are ideal for tomorrow | 19:20 |
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andrey-mp | after 22:00 UTC we will sleep ) | 19:21 |
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sslypushenko | 18:00 UTC works for me | 19:22 |
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catherineD | I take that everyone is OK for us to meet 18:00 UTC tomorrow | 19:23 |
catherineD | andrey-mp: could you please let Alex know | 19:23 |
pvaneck | +1 works for me | 19:24 |
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catherineD | OK I will send an invitation ... thx everyone | 19:24 |
catherineD | moving on | 19:24 |
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catherineD | #topic Pending reviews | 19:24 |
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catherineD | #link Replace run_tempest.sh script with ostestr command ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329691/ ) | 19:26 |
catherineD | Luz just made an other update ... please review | 19:26 |
andrey-mp | catherineD: Alex can meet at 17:00 UTC and don't know about 18:00 | 19:26 |
catherineD | hogepodge: does 17:00 works for you? | 19:27 |
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hogepodge | No, I have a WG meeting | 19:28 |
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catherineD | andrey-mp: Please check with Alex....the other time slot is 22 which I think is late for andrey-mp: sslypushenko: and Alex | 19:30 |
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catherineD | so we will meet at 18:00 tomorrow ... | 19:31 |
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catherineD | anyother question? | 19:31 |
catherineD | moving on .. | 19:31 |
catherineD | #topic Open discussion | 19:32 |
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catherineD | let's discuss item 3.2 Optionally upload subunit files for Foundation evaluation | 19:32 |
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sslypushenko | yeap | 19:32 |
hogepodge | It's looking like at some point we're going to need a way to get subunit files | 19:33 |
sslypushenko | hogepodge: that is sounds strange... a bit | 19:33 |
hogepodge | Generally for special cases (like the waiver program we're looking at in DefCore) or when disputes arise. | 19:34 |
hogepodge | json files are way to easy to forge | 19:34 |
hogepodge | and we may need to run scripts on some results to parse information | 19:34 |
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hogepodge | subunit shouldn't be publicly available though | 19:34 |
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hogepodge | but having a record in one place would be nice | 19:34 |
hogepodge | I can do without the feature, but I'd prefer centralized storage of test results | 19:35 |
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catherineD | The reason from the beginning is privacy concern .. | 19:36 |
sslypushenko | hogepodge: subunit files can contain some privacy data | 19:37 |
catherineD | the subunit file may contain credential | 19:37 |
hogepodge | not any more, tempest and qa has worked hard to remove that | 19:37 |
hogepodge | mtreinish: do credentials leak into subunit files? | 19:37 |
catherineD | also at the very beginning .. the thought is to only focusing on pass test .. | 19:38 |
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mtreinish | hogepodge: they should not, the only thing in subunit attachments are the logs, stdout, and stderr. If we leak passwords into the logs that's a critical bug | 19:38 |
catherineD | we do not need to know about fail tests especially the fail reason | 19:38 |
sslypushenko | hogepodge: you need to convince not only us, but all potential RefStack users | 19:39 |
hogepodge | catherineD: that's changing, it doesn't need to be required, but optional would be nice | 19:39 |
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hogepodge | sslypushenko: if vendors want to pass defcore with special cases or appeal disputes to their results, that's convincing enough | 19:39 |
catherineD | sslypushenko: +1 ... I think the submitter needs to know | 19:40 |
hogepodge | catherineD: it would be optional | 19:40 |
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sslypushenko | hogepodge: sounds reasonable, though | 19:40 |
hogepodge | I can ask for them on the side, it's just better to have information in one place if possible. | 19:41 |
catherineD | hogepodge: RefStack so far save very little confidential data ... we save no credential or any private data .. | 19:41 |
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catherineD | once the system involve saving private data .. wouldn't the server become a different class of server ... that need more stringing IT policy? | 19:42 |
rockyg | So, we'd need a ui with confirmation for the subunit uploads. You have to answer yes after selecting the upload... | 19:42 |
hogepodge | if a user configures their testing correctly the only place credentials should appear is accounts.yaml, which I definitely don't want | 19:42 |
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hogepodge | catherineD: but consider that if I'm testing a cloud, I may want to save the output of my own test results for reference | 19:42 |
hogepodge | catherineD: and that's the case right now as I test public clouds independently | 19:43 |
catherineD | hogepodge: you do ... I am just taking about the responsibility of the party who store private data ...the server now becomes a different IT class server with different IT policy to abide to .. | 19:43 |
sslypushenko | hogepodge: I'm ok with optional upload of raw subunit data... | 19:43 |
catherineD | at least that is how it work in our company | 19:44 |
sslypushenko | but we need to provide a possibility to user for review uploaded data | 19:44 |
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sslypushenko | it is not a piece of cake to look thought subunit results | 19:45 |
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rockyg | yeah, what catherine says is about corporate compliance and legal responsibilities | 19:45 |
catherineD | sslypushenko: once there is a way to upload data it does no matter whether it is optinal or not | 19:45 |
catherineD | rockyg: +1 exactly | 19:45 |
mtreinish | you do realize there is nothing in subunit that's not in the log file or the console output | 19:45 |
rockyg | This sounds like a midcycle agenda item. And maybe with defcore, too. | 19:46 |
sslypushenko | rockyg: +! | 19:46 |
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catherineD | mtreinish: that is right .. that is why refstack does not save log or console or subunit file ,,, just a list of test case names | 19:46 |
catherineD | rockyg: +1 | 19:46 |
rockyg | But discoverin the deeper issues before midcycle is also very good. | 19:47 |
catherineD | refstack does not need to know which tests fail and the reason of failures ... we only need to know the good news which is which tests pass | 19:47 |
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sslypushenko | hogepodge: one more question... subunit files can be also forged, what your thoughts about it? | 19:48 |
hogepodge | catherineD: but that is likely going to change, especially with this additional properties business | 19:48 |
hogepodge | we need a way to evaluate why a failure happened | 19:48 |
mtreinish | sure, but that doesn't mean you're leaking anything confidential, that would be a serious bug in tempest. It just means you've never looked | 19:48 |
hogepodge | The board is favoring the waiver process, and to make it workable I need subunit data | 19:49 |
sslypushenko | got it... but what the pros of subunit on json results? | 19:50 |
hogepodge | sslypushenko: if a test fails because if additional properties on the response, that can be parsed out and evaluated | 19:50 |
hogepodge | sslypushenko: for example | 19:50 |
hogepodge | sslypushenko: also, we had a company passing the test earlier with a pass on a permanently skipped test. subunit would have given me an opportunity to evaluate if they actually ran the test (with a modified tempest) or cheated | 19:51 |
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sslypushenko | I can not agree with the last statement | 19:52 |
sslypushenko | subunit tests can be also a fake | 19:53 |
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catherineD | hogepodge: cheating is an issue that we discuss earlier ... and we agree that it is the customers of the vendors who will findout .. | 19:53 |
rockyg | So, this raises all sorts of legal compliance issues for protection of client confidential data | 19:53 |
hogepodge | there's nothing confidential | 19:54 |
sslypushenko | it is a bit complicated then to edit json... but it is not a good solution on the long run | 19:54 |
rockyg | subunit is confidential. | 19:54 |
hogepodge | rockyg: it's self reported, private to everyone else except the foundation, and required for administration of the program | 19:54 |
hogepodge | rockyg: why? | 19:54 |
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hogepodge | rockyg: if I need it to verify trademark compliance, it's well within the rights of the foundation to demand it, as well as access to the software in question | 19:55 |
hogepodge | rockyg: or we just deny the trademark application | 19:55 |
rockyg | Because it *does* contain specific operational data. This could be considered a company secret and handing it over might be voluntary, but custodial responsibilities change | 19:55 |
catherineD | hogepodge: so foundation will be responsible if the data on the server is leak? | 19:55 |
hogepodge | it's a matter of making the job easier and maintaining a record | 19:55 |
sslypushenko | in the perfect world, I'd like to see in RefStack a way to have some how signed test results | 19:56 |
hogepodge | catherineD: we're responsible for keeping confidential data confidential. test results for a publicly administered trademark program are hardly confidential, especially when they are reproducible by end users | 19:56 |
rockyg | One of the original reasons, beside credential leakage, we parsed subunit was so that we ensured against receiving any data a company might consider secret | 19:56 |
catherineD | rockyg: ++ | 19:57 |
hogepodge | rockyg: the moment you allow someone to run tempest against your cloud all secrecy behind test results are gone | 19:57 |
hogepodge | open is open | 19:57 |
rockyg | not true. User is not admin. An admin running user tests may provide a different log experience than a user running the same tests | 19:58 |
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catherineD | I think this is a good topic for mid-cycle... | 19:59 |
catherineD | hogepodge: thanks for bringing the topic for discussion ... | 19:59 |
rockyg | This will certainly make midcycle interesting.... | 19:59 |
catherineD | we need to end the meetying now .. thanks everyone ! | 20:00 |
catherineD | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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hogepodge | rockyg: I don't require admin test results | 20:00 |
rockyg | No, but if the tests are run by an admin, log files could have different info than if run by a non-privileged account | 20:01 |
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mtreinish | rockyg: umm, that's not how things work. An admin is just a regular user with an extra role, to get extra data from your admin privleges you need to ask for it | 20:03 |
mtreinish | and for most tests you can't actually run with an admin user anyway (tempest doesn't let you) | 20:04 |
rockyg | mtreinish, so there is no leakage between the tempest logs and the system logs? | 20:04 |
mtreinish | unless you lie in your config file and tell tempest a user is not admin when it is | 20:04 |
mtreinish | rockyg: tempest doesn't have access to the system, it only uses the api | 20:05 |
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mtreinish | tempest only logs what api requests it made and the response it got | 20:05 |
mtreinish | as well as anything being generated from tempest itself | 20:05 |
rockyg | so all logs and log info collected is from logs created by the tempest process. I believe that, but some folks are a lot more paranoid than I am about info leaks. | 20:06 |
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