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shardy#startmeeting tripleo14:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jun 28 14:00:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is shardy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tripleo'14:00
shardy#topic rollcall14:00
EmilienMo/14:00
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d0ugalo/14:00
shardyHi all, who's around?14:00
weshay\o14:00
ccamachoHello guys o/14:00
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hrybackio/14:00
skramajahello14:00
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sanjayuo/14:00
trowno/14:00
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marios\o14:00
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shardy#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TripleO14:01
shardy#topic agenda14:01
shardy* one off agenda items14:01
shardy* bugs14:01
shardy* Projects releases or stable backports14:01
shardy* CI14:01
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shardy* Specs14:01
shardy* open discussion14:01
shardyAnyone have anything else to add to the one-off items before we get started?14:01
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shardy#topic one off agenda items14:02
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jtomasek_o/14:02
shardySo there are two - first was from me, following discussions with EmilienM re CI outages14:02
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shardywe wanted to start some discussion on if there's a more effective way to spread the load of constantly fixing CI14:03
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shardyand also, see if there are things (such as moving onto a managed cloud) which will help reduce the overhead of these tasks14:03
shardywe can cover this now, or in the CI section, I don't mind14:03
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EmilienMwe can cover it during CI topic14:04
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slaglea weekly rotation of those willing to make it a top priority for a week at a time?14:04
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EmilienMI just wanted to make sure we start the oooq/ooo-ci discussion sometimes during this meeting14:04
derekho/14:04
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shardyslagle: something like that would probably help - I know folks easily burn out if there's too small a pool of people regularly battling the breakages14:04
trown+1 to easily burning out when it is a small group14:05
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slagleyes, the person "on call" so to speak really just makes sure there is a bz filed, someone somewhere is looking at it, communicates the outage, etc14:05
shardySo, yeah that's the other part, weshay indicated there may be more opportunity to reduce fragmentation of CI effort if we were to start using tripleo-quickstart in upstream CI14:05
sanjayuif there is a noob CI guide I would like to help14:05
sshnaidmweekly volunteering groups?14:05
shardywhat do folks think about that?14:05
EmilienMshardy: right, some people (me included) burned a lot of time recently14:05
trownI think the tripleo core reviewer team has to be responsible for keeping CI working14:05
* shardy realises we're doing this now not in the CI section, but nevermind, we've started now ;)14:05
EmilienMshardy: it has huge impact on the features we wanted to deliver14:05
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weshay+1.. any way to get mentored and more involved14:06
d0ugalYeah, knowing how to help is tricky14:06
EmilienMI also would like to propore some automation, dprince & I discussed about it last week: something that would tell you what changed between latest successful job and current broken situation so we would easily find what broke tripleo14:06
EmilienMpropose*14:07
shardysanjayu: There isn't, but perhaps having folks willing to help get people involved by helping them learn how to debug etc would be a good idea14:07
weshayif some of the more experienced folks volunteered to mentor 1 newbie each that would really help a lot14:07
ccamacho+1 keeping CI working, based on weekly groups not to get burn out14:07
leifmadsen+1 to being mentored :)14:07
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beagles+1 to weshay's and sanjayu's sentiment.14:07
shardyweshay: I think we can do that, if there's a commitment those folks can dedicate time to helping14:07
sshnaidmEmilienM, yep, I thought about the same, I can take action item about this14:07
EmilienMthe problem is that some failures are sysadmin things on systems a few have access14:07
ccamachoweshay, what do you need? should we organize like a session to get some overall idea about what to check when seeing errors14:08
weshayI think sshnaidm and derek have already built a good relationship and derek has been helping sshnaidm around14:08
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EmilienMso even if we mentor people, they won't have access to the system to restart things or fix space issue, etc14:08
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EmilienMsshnaidm: sure, go ahead14:08
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leifmadsenat least initially, but as they become more comfortable and are trusted, maybe more people can be given access to offload14:08
weshayI think any newb should review the bootcamp materials.. first off14:08
EmilienM+1 ^14:08
trownEmilienM: ya, I think there are two separate failure scenarios, the one you mention is only fixable by 2 or 3 people14:09
derekhEmilienM: your correct we could do with more sys admins, but most of our issues don't require sysadmin rights to fix14:09
trownthat situation would be alleviated by a managed cloud14:09
shardyIt seems like there are three distinct tasks (1) Keeping the CI cloud running (2) keeping the CI scripts running (3) dealing with constant trunk regressions14:09
leifmadsenthere may be other ways of triggering restarts that don't require direct access, like maybe a script cna monitor commits somewhere, and certain people give commit access; then you have a log, and not direct SSH access (controls of what you can run, etc)14:09
leifmadsenalternatively sudo could be used to control restart commands14:09
slagleEmilienM: you keep bring that up, and i think it's a little unfairly negative14:09
derekhtrown: no it wouldn't, we'd still need to decide who has access to the squid server and mirror server for example14:10
slagleEmilienM: we've regularly given access to people in the past who 1) ask, 2) show they're trustworthy14:10
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shardy(1) may be helped by moving to a managed cloud which I know is planned, but (2) & (3) are likely to remain I think14:10
EmilienMslagle: well, gaerman needed to be restarted a few times lately14:10
EmilienMslagle: this week-end included14:10
slagleEmilienM: those are about the only requirements14:10
sshnaidmit's better to have somebody from tripleo-core in weekly group for merging and system access and any others could join14:10
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trownya, I think the rotation idea requires one tripleo core reviewer at a minimum14:11
derekhEmilienM: yes, we needed to restart gearman pretty much every day last week, this was fallout from infras move away from jenkins14:11
weshayI'd like to match panda up w/ someone, maybe that could happen offline14:11
EmilienMsshnaidm: +114:11
slagleEmilienM: i'm not saying access wasn't required. i'm saying going on about who does/doesn't have access isn't the root of the problem14:11
derekhEmilienM: and even on a managed cloud, only a subset of people would have access to it (if we had a hearman)14:11
slagleEmilienM: the people who have access are the ones who have participated in fixing ci in the past, and have asked for access14:11
EmilienMright, root access is required for a low amount of our failures.14:12
shardyOk, so we seem to have agreed on two things here:14:12
shardy1. Setup a rolling rota of folks willing to drop everything when CI breaks14:13
shardy2. Arrange to mentor new folks so they can be included on that rota (along with existing/core folks)14:13
shardyThe third question was around tripleo-quickstart14:13
shardyderekh: what are your thoughts on that?14:13
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trownshardy: I think we need to define which fo the three scenarios are involved with 1, ie, I constantly work on trunk regressions, but not much on the other two14:13
EmilienMwell, when CI breaks, I don't see how the rest of the team can work14:13
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shardyEmilienM: people have all kinds of other priorities competing for their time14:14
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derekhI'm a little skeptical about the rolling rota, a person (or more), needs to have tripleo-ci as the only thing they do, that person should look at the ci status page constanctly and jump on any falures they see14:14
EmilienMI personally can't resist to work on CI issues when CI is red14:14
trowntripleo-quickstart is not a drop in replacement for our current CI, but I do think it begins to make sense when we have an OVB cloud14:14
EmilienMand I'm not doing composable services work when CI is broken, because I consider CI > everything else14:14
derekhothers can and should help when its red also14:15
weshay+114:15
EmilienMsomeone who is 100% working on tripleo can't ignore a tripleo CI outage14:15
EmilienMit's like sending patches and know they'll fail14:15
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EmilienMwhat is the goal of that ^?14:15
slaglethe point of the rotation was just to help spread the load14:15
slaglenot rotate the responsibility of CI14:16
EmilienM+1 for the rotation though14:16
slaglew/o the rotation and just saying "everyone does it", that's what we have now14:16
shardyYep, to encourage wider participation and spread the load14:16
EmilienMit sounds a good plan, let's try it14:16
ccamachoslagle +114:16
slaglethe rotation doesnt mean it's just that person's job for a week14:16
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pandahow many people for each rotation are needed ?14:16
slagleit's still everyone's job, all the time14:16
shardyit's not like we're going to discourage anyone not on the rota from fixing stuff, it's just providing some folks to act as coordinators and make sure stuff gets fixed14:17
EmilienMpanda: I would say 1 expert mentoring 1 'noob'14:17
EmilienMso by the time we have more experts14:17
weshay+114:17
EmilienMwe need to take care of timezones also14:17
EmilienMmaybe do 2 groups, 1 in EMEA and one in NA14:17
slaglewhy don't we make the rotation 1 experienced and 1 noob14:17
slaglewho work together14:18
weshay+114:18
mariosEmilienM: +1 maybe 2 'shifts' per rotation14:18
EmilienM1 expert (derek or shardy) in EMEA with panda + etc14:18
shardyOk, we probably need to timebox this - I'll start a ML thread and we can follow up on thsi discussion there, if that's OK with everyone?14:18
slagle+114:18
EmilienMit was an example ^ I didn't mean to name all folks14:18
trown+1 ya, this could take the whole meeting14:18
EmilienM+1 for ML14:18
d0ugal+114:18
shardy+1 on combining some kind of rotation with mentoring14:18
weshaywoot14:18
sanjayu+114:18
jokke_++ on that14:18
shardyslagle: want to cover your item now?14:19
slagleyes, i added:  Investigating using https://storyboard-dev.openstack.org to track tripleo-ci tasks (slagle)14:19
EmilienMmarios: right, so we cover both tz without forcing people staying late14:19
slaglefor those that dont know, the long term plan is to migrate all openstack projects to storyboard14:19
derekhUnless somebody is fulltime on CI (in addition to the rota of people to help out), I dont think it will work14:19
slaglei've also been getting some feedback about the visibility (mostly the lack thereof) of our work in launchpad14:19
shardyhasn't that been the plan for, like, several years now?14:20
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slagleshardy: it's more concrete now, at in that there is an accepted spec14:20
EmilienMpuppet group investigated 2 years ago and storyboard was really not ready for us but now it looks really better14:20
slagleyes, it's better, and keeps getting better14:20
EmilienMa big +1 on this idea14:20
shardyOk, well we can investigate - but what are the complaints about our launchpad content?14:20
slagleso what i'm proposing is tracking our ci related tasks in storyboard14:20
slaglesince we don't currently use launchpad for that14:21
shardyI think our blueprints are currently too big in some cases, but otherwise things are working OK I think14:21
EmilienMwe'll need to re-write our bot that sends alert, we like this thing14:21
slagleand i dont want to duplicate anything14:21
slaglewe would still have bugs in lp that affect CI14:21
shardyslagle: so this would replace the CI trello board then?14:21
slagleshardy: um :), maybe?14:21
slaglei dont know of a ci trello board14:21
weshayso.. that would be used to determine who is working on which failing job?14:21
slaglewhich one?14:21
shardyI don't really care what tool we use tbh, but I really, really dislike tracking the same work in multiple places14:21
EmilienMhttps://trello.com/b/0jIoMrdo/tripleo14:22
jrist+100014:22
derekhshardy: if its the one I was working on at one stage, people mostly didn't use it14:22
slagleshardy: no one uses that14:22
EmilienMderekh: puppet group has same situation, we have a trello but barely used.14:22
shardyderekh: Yeah, critical bugs with the alert bot seem to be working OK AFAICS14:22
slaglemy first idea was to revive that14:22
slaglebut then decided to investigate storyboard instead14:22
shardyslagle: I guess that was my point ;)14:22
slagleso in storyboard we'd have things like the planned ovb work, multinode work, rh2 rack work, etc14:23
slaglestuff that we aren't actually tracking anywhere right now14:23
shardywhat does storyboard offer which will make actually using it more likely?14:23
EmilienM+1 to be aligned with OpenStack projects, so +1 for storyboard, it's a sane long term solution I thikn14:23
shardyvs the trello board14:23
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EmilienMshardy: it's integrated with OpenStack workflows14:24
slagleshardy: dunno. this isn't about comparing the tools honestly14:24
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EmilienMbugs, blueprints, interractions with gerrit, etc14:24
shardyEmilienM: Ok, that's a compelling reason :)14:24
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slagleEmilienM: that's only for -dev btw right now14:24
slagleso the main gerrit is not yet integrated14:24
shardyslagle: sure, I'm just trying to figure out if this will be different, not really comparing the tools14:24
trownya I think it is more about needing to track that stuff, and if we are going to try and revive trello might as well use the infra tool instead14:24
EmilienMslagle: right, it's WIP14:25
slagletrown: yes exactly14:25
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shardyOk, well +1 on giving it a try14:25
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slagleplus, storyboard team is excited about getting our feedback14:25
slagleand they want to work with project teams14:25
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EmilienMmaybe we can iterate by using it for one project14:26
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EmilienMlike14:26
EmilienMtht or something14:26
slagleEmilienM: i'm proposing just tripleo-ci14:26
trownya CI seems like a good place to start14:26
slagleEmilienM: no on tht14:26
EmilienMcool ok14:26
slaglewe use lp on that14:26
slaglewe dont want to duplicate14:26
shardyOk, sounds like we're agreed to give it a try - shall we move on?14:26
trown+114:26
slaglei'll mail the list with a summary14:26
shardyslagle: +1, thanks!14:27
shardy#topic bugs14:27
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shardySo, other than the CI impacting issues we're fighting, anyone have any specific bugs to mention?14:27
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shardy#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/14:27
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EmilienMweshay has a bug with neutron master14:27
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ccamachoI like the storyboard idea, I was trying to create some kind of nit finder, as I was investing lot of time finding nits in tht submissions, with storyboard we might log them also.. http://mosquito-ccamacho.rhcloud.com/_plugin/tripleo-nit-finder/ and find config_settings..14:28
weshayEmilienM, we're looking at that again.. rechecking w/ more resources on the undercloud14:28
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shardyhehe tripleo-nit-finder sounds like a code-review bot ;)14:28
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trownseems like a lot of not in progress critical bugs?14:29
shardytrown: Yeah, that was going to be my next comment - there are still a lot of stale/obsolte bugs14:29
shardyplease can everyone review the list of bugs reported by them, and close those either fixed or no longer valid14:30
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slaglei think we need a purge of blueprints too :)14:30
slaglei can look through them this week14:30
shardyquite a few expired from incomplete recently, but there's still many I think we should close or mark invalid in there14:30
EmilienMalso probably some duplicate14:31
shardyslagle: Yeah, maybe - I did a purge of some BPs at the start of newton, but any help much appreciated14:31
shardyOk, anything else on bugs before we move on?14:31
shardy#topic Projects releases or stable backports14:32
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shardySo, it's only ~2weeks until n-214:32
shardy#link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html14:32
shardy#link https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/newton-214:32
shardyThere's a huge amount of in-progress stuff there :(14:33
shardySo when we fix CI, can folks please prioritize reviews for patches on that list, and help burn down the in-progress things so they land14:33
shardye.g both bugs and blueprints14:33
shardyIf we don't do that, a bunch of stuff will slip to n3, and I'd really rather avoid that if we can14:34
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EmilienMComposable Services Within Roles is making slow progress recently, due to CI outages, but once CI is back, we'll finish it, almost everything is WIP and under review14:34
shardyEmilienM: excellent, well that sounds encouraging provided we can get a clear few days of CI working14:34
EmilienMyeah, I'm confident we can make it14:35
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shardybeagles: what's the status of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo/+spec/neutron-dvr-support?14:35
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shardyshould we bump that to n-3 as it's not started?14:35
shardyhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo/+spec/overcloud-upgrades-workflow-mitaka-to-newton14:35
shardymarios: same question re ^^14:36
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shardyOk, well if I don't see the implementation set soon, I'll bump them to n314:37
beaglesshardy: it's actually pretty decent14:37
beagles(wrong room)14:37
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beaglesI just have to fix up the patch a bit and it should work okay14:37
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beaglesit's what I'm mainly focused on finishing up at the moment14:37
shardybeagles: Ok, good news - can you change the implementation on the BP to reflect the current status, e.g "good progress" or whatever?14:37
beaglesyup14:38
shardythanks!14:38
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shardyOk, anything else to discuss re releases atm?14:38
trownI plan to do a 0.1 release or tripleo-quickstart this week, then start on switching virt docs for it14:38
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shardytrown: Ok, sounds good - there has been some confusion around docs for quickstart/non-quickstart14:39
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shardy#topic CI14:39
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trownya we were missing some bits to reproduce tripleo-ci workflow, but panda++ has implemented those14:39
shardySo, we covered the trunk regressions etc earlier, but derekh did you want to discuss the current state of switching to OVB?14:40
EmilienMok jistr is not around but we're tring to revert a patch, see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335008/14:40
EmilienMcurrent situation is HA & upgrade jobs are broken14:40
shardythat seems very relevant from a moving to a managed cloud perspective14:40
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EmilienMwe think it's related to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330096/14:40
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shardypradk: ^^ FYI we'll have to revert that if it proves to fix CI14:40
EmilienMI'm telneting the job and it just failed the HA job... I'll investigate14:41
shardywe can then work out what the issue is and un-revert it later14:41
weshayare there any questions re: the development of quickstart?14:42
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shardyweshay: I believe there are several questions around developer workflow with quickstart14:42
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shardyI tried it a while back and reported some bugs, but ultimately couldn't switch over to using it for my daily workflow14:43
pandashardy: that's what we're working at the moment14:43
shardywe'll have to revisit some of those things as stuff like docs and potentially CI gets changed to use it14:43
weshaypanda, is validating that atm, ensuring there is a good user experience.  I know he has found and is fixing at least two bugs thee14:43
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weshaythere14:43
slagleweshay: i'd be interested to know what the goals of the project are14:43
pandashardy: I'm very interested in you feedback on the previous experience14:44
slaglei think it started as virt-setup replacement14:44
slaglenow we're talking about a CI switch14:44
weshayto have a very fast, user friendly install of tripleo with pre-validated content14:44
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trownthat is a bit broad... but the main goal of the project has always been to "provide a good new user experience of tripleo"14:44
trownin order to do that, I think that "experience" needs to be thoroughly CI'd14:45
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shardypanda: I reported several bugs, the main blocker is it's hard to deploy trunk easily14:45
slaglei would like to see the work tracked a bit more openly in launchpad14:45
shardyusing it in CI might solve that if we made the images available for developer usage14:45
slagleso the plans for project direction is more visible14:45
mariosshardy: sry, on a call14:45
derekhIf we were to move our CI to all ovb clouds, how does quickstart fit in with that? does it need to?14:45
slaglee.g., what is this usbkey installer, what are the goals, where are we going with it, etc14:45
trownthere is alot tracked in launchpad... I think more than most other tripleo projects actually14:46
slaglethere may be other folks with ideas about that, who would like to participate14:46
slagletrown: are there bp's for any of the new features?14:46
shardy#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo-quickstart14:46
pandashardy: ok, I'll ping you later to get more details and to see what you consider an acceptable workflow. Should be easier to deploy trunk now.14:46
weshaywe had ovb working w/ some previous CI, rlandy is preparing ovb for quickstart now14:46
EmilienMslagle: good questions, I also wonder why we have some external bits like IPA server integration, etc14:46
weshayooo-usbkey was something rbowen requested.. basically tripleo-quickstart src on a usbkey paired w/ an undercloud/overcloud image on the key14:47
trownslagle: all of the work to enable a developer workflow are tracked in launchpad bugs14:47
weshayEmilienM, re: ipa and quickstart?14:48
trownslagle: I am guessing by new features you are refering to the external roles that quickstart can use?14:48
EmilienMweshay: yeah14:48
EmilienMweshay: what is the goal?14:48
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slagletrown: i dont think so, unless those are part of quickstart directly14:49
weshayEmilienM, we're showing folks how to integrate w/ external repos/roles so that all these features are not in a tool that is meant to replace instack-virt-setup14:49
trownslagle: those are being developed independently as things that can be plugged in to quickstart, but are not required for a good new user experience14:49
weshayusing composable ansible roles14:49
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slagletrown: i'm thinking things like usbkey, baremetal14:49
slaglevirt-setup was the original goal14:49
trownbaremetal is an external role14:49
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weshayya.. baremetal is also done outside of quickstart14:49
EmilienMso we have composable ansible roles in oooq vs composable roles in THT14:49
leifmadsenbaremetal is something I've been exploring as well with oooq14:49
weshaynot vs14:49
weshayrlandy, ^14:50
trownEmilienM: too different meanings of role14:50
slagletrown: ok i guess i dont really know what is where14:50
trownrole is an ansible specific term equal to puppet module14:50
rlandywe have baremetal jobs running14:50
slaglei see full-deploy-baremetal.sh14:50
slaglethat sounds like baremetal14:50
slaglebut maybe i'm jumping to conclusions :)14:50
rlandyand I am working on the ovb solution14:50
weshayso we have quickstart pulling in 3rd party repos and using those as part of the extra deployment steps14:50
weshayone needs for bare metal14:50
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rlandyslagle: ack - I just added that14:50
rlandyfor the baremetal jjb14:51
trownok, so maybe we should move the ci-scripts in quickstart to somewhere in RDO... it is just easier to have them in-tree, but I can see how if one just looks at that dir it would be confusing14:51
shardyweshay: getting that into the main repo seems like it would be a good thing to aim for?14:51
rlandythere are three roles added to enable baremetal testing14:51
trownbut ci-scripts dir is really rdo-ci-scripts14:51
EmilienMweshay: but IPA server would run on undercloud? or on the host?14:51
weshayshardy, not sure.. I see the repos in redhat-openstack as a good place to incubate roles until we're 100% sure they are solid14:51
slagletrown: right, the ci-scripts dir makes me think this is a replaceement for tripleo-ci14:51
slagletrown: which...may be fine eventually14:51
EmilienMshardy: we need to take care of the timing14:52
slaglebut it's a planning discussion yet to be had14:52
slaglebut it seems oooq is already moving into being a ci tool14:52
weshaybut think they could always stay external.. or be moved in.. doesn't really matter14:52
trownslagle: well it has worked very well in RDO14:52
weshayit's composable :)14:52
shardyweshay: Ok, I guess I'm just worried about switching docs for VM to oooq then we have the baremetal docs as completely different14:52
trownand it kind of makes sense to have the most CI run against the thing new users try first14:53
slagletrown: and it might work very well for tripleo one day. but right now the project is a tripleo project14:53
shardybut we can work that out as the docs stuff gets proposed I guess14:53
slaglenot an rdo project14:53
weshayshardy, so we're developing w/ that in mind...14:53
trownslagle: not sure I get your point14:53
EmilienMweshay: my question is more "why not using instack-undercloud" for such roles14:53
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slagletrown: these ci scrpts are for what? rdo or tripleo?14:53
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weshayEmilienM, not sure what you mean14:53
trownslagle: RDO14:53
weshaywe use instack-undercloud.. you mean the repo?14:54
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slagletrown: then maybe they shouldn't be in an upstream tripleo repo14:54
slaglewe have a repo for that already, tripleo-ci14:54
trownslagle: well, does the project have a different way to gate itself?14:54
weshaywe have a similar set of ci-scripts in an internal repo as well for rhos14:54
rlandyshardy: one of my goals is to get the oooq baremetal doc in place14:54
EmilienMweshay: for IPA server, why not setup it on undercloud?, just a thought14:54
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shardyslagle: to be fair, the discussion around potentially using quickstart in upstream CI was based on a desire to improve collaboration between RDO and upstream CI14:54
weshayEmilienM, you'd have to ask adam young that14:54
shardyso just saying let's remove it may not be the best path towards that14:55
weshayit's not something we're driving14:55
EmilienMweshay: so that's leading to the "what is the scope of quickstack"14:55
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slagleshardy: that's not what i'm saying14:55
weshaybut we are showing him how to integrate it via 3rd party git repo14:55
shardyEmilienM: because the undercloud is a single point of failure14:55
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EmilienMweshay: do we accept any new role? so why not deploying openstack services then?14:55
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EmilienMshardy: right14:55
slagleshardy: i'm trying to understand where we are going14:55
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weshayEmilienM, define accept14:55
slagleshardy: we have duplication between oooq and trpleo-ci14:55
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EmilienMbut imho, oooq should not be a place to put services that we dont want on undercloud14:56
trownslagle: I dont think we do14:56
weshaywe'll add new roles to a role gate, but thus far, only one role has been promoted to first class afaict14:56
EmilienMie: new services, like IPA14:56
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weshayso there is a fairly long incubation period14:56
trownslagle: tripleo-ci is not able to gate tripleo-quickstart, which was discussed in the spec14:56
EmilienMweshay: just a note, I personally like oooq, I use it almost every day. Just asking questions about roles ;-)14:56
trownslagle: it was agreed to have it be third-party CI via RDO14:56
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slagletrown: yes, for virt-setup14:57
weshayEmilienM, thus far the criteria has been, a role is in our role-gate, running daily somewhere, and part of the rdo promotion gate14:57
slaglesince that is not covered by tripleo-ci14:57
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EmilienMslagle: yes we have duplication also with composable roles in oooq and what we do on instack-undercloud I think14:57
weshayhow so?14:57
weshayI'm confused by that14:57
trownslagle: ok so would it make you happy to move all of the ci scripts out that are not gating virt-setup?14:57
EmilienMbecause we're deploying services that we used to manage with puppet, etc14:57
trownit is pretty trivial to do so, though I dont personally see the benefit to tripleo14:58
EmilienMlet's say, instack-undercloud is multi node, why not using it for IPA server?14:58
slagletrown: it would make me happy if we discussed a plan about where we are trying to go with oooq14:58
weshayEmilienM, oh.. so.. we are not driving any of the IPA work14:58
weshayI see what you are saying now14:58
EmilienMI just see people sending roles in OOOQ because instack is single node, shouldn't we focus efforts on getting instack multi node?14:58
EmilienMok, let's put it this way:14:58
EmilienMwhy don't we work on getting instack undercloud multi nodes14:59
slagletrown: that's all. i'm not asking for things to be removed14:59
EmilienMand use the same thing as composable roles work that we do14:59
EmilienMinstead of using OOOQ to deploy new services on the undercloud or host14:59
trownslagle: k, what form should that take... ML to start?14:59
weshayEmilienM, that sounds fine, again.. we have nothing to do w/ the IPA work..14:59
shardyWe're out of time folks, and apologies we've missed specs and open discussion this week (although we've pretty much ended up in open discussion I think)14:59
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slagletrown: would just like to get some alignment...so we can see how to improve tripleo-ci to maybe have it use oooq, or whatever we come up with14:59
shardylet's continue in #tripleo :)14:59
EmilienMweshay: yeah, it's just an example14:59
shardythanks everyone!15:00
jrist\o15:00
shardy#endmeeting15:00
EmilienMshardy: thx !15:00
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trownthanks shardy15:00
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ccamacho/o/15:00
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tmorin#startmeeting bgpvpn15:02
openstackMeeting started Tue Jun 28 15:02:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:02
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tmorinhi everyone15:02
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tmorinhi doude matrohon pcarver timirnich wdeclercq michaelxin15:03
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matrohonhi15:03
wdeclercqHey15:03
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tmorinhi michchap15:05
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tmorinlet's start ?15:05
tmorin#announce15:05
tmorinHorizon admin GUI has merged last Friday15:06
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tmorin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322134/15:06
tmoringood to see this land15:06
tmorinthe tenant GUI work is in progress15:06
tmorinthe work on adding the VNI field is in progress15:07
tmorin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332711/15:07
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tmorinthe change looks good as far as I can tell15:07
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tmorinmatrohon: your review is wanted ! :)15:07
tmorin^15:08
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* matrohon looking15:08
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tmorina discussion is also in progress on launchpad, on the semantic to give to the VNI field in the particular case of multiple Router associations15:08
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tmorin#link https://launchpad.net/bugs/159090815:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1590908 in networking-bgpvpn "[RFE] Add 'VNI' column in bgpvpns table in Neutron database." [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Steve Ruan (ruansx)15:08
matrohontmorin, thanks, I'll add a look before the end of the week15:08
matrohons/add/had15:08
tmorinmickeys and me have been discussing, and I think reaching a possible conclusion15:09
matrohons/had/have :)15:09
tmorin:)15:09
tmorinunderstood, thanks matrohon15:09
tmorinI'm waiting for mickeys reply15:09
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tmorindone for ongoing changes/bug15:10
tmorin#topic what else15:10
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tmorinwhat else to discuss today ?15:10
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tmorin#undo15:11
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tmorinsomething I forgot on the VNI discussion:15:11
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tmorinwdeclercq: could you check with Diego about the discussion in https://launchpad.net/bugs/1590908 ?15:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1590908 in networking-bgpvpn "[RFE] Add 'VNI' column in bgpvpns table in Neutron database." [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Steve Ruan (ruansx)15:12
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tmorinwdeclercq: the discussion on the semantic of the VNI field was essentially with Diego, it would be good to check that he's still happy with the change we would apply15:12
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wdeclercqAlright. I'll send him an email after this meeting :)15:13
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tmorink, thanks!15:13
tmorin#topic neutronclient CLI to OSC15:14
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tmorinwe know we'll have something to do to support the OSC CLI client15:14
tmorinthis is part of the criteria for the neutron stadium15:14
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tmorinit would be good to have someone volunteer to do the work15:15
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tmorinthis item looks like a reasonable amount of work, but we need someone to take it up15:15
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tmorin#help someone needed to take on the work to support the openstack CLI client15:16
tmorin#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/156199315:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1561993 in networking-bgpvpn "support for openstack CLI" [High,Confirmed]15:16
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tmorinok, so, unless we have something else to discuss, we have 45minutes to wait for someone to volunteer   :)15:17
tmorinmatrohon ?15:17
tmorinwdeclercq ?15:17
tmorinpcarver ?15:17
tmorin:)15:17
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wdeclercqNothing here.15:17
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tmorinok, we'll see during next meeting...15:20
tmorinlet's wrap up for today15:20
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tmorinthanks everyone15:20
tmorin#endmeeting15:20
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hongbin#startmeeting containers16:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jun 28 16:00:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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hongbin#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-06-28_1600_UTC Today's agenda16:00
hongbin#topic Roll Call16:00
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strigaziSpyros Trigazis16:00
muralia_murali allada16:00
mkrai_Madhuri Kumari16:00
tonanhngoTon Ngo16:01
dane_leblanco/16:01
adrian_ottoAdrian Otto16:01
hongbintonanhngo: you changed your IRC nick?16:01
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hongbinThanks for joining the meeting strigazi muralia_ mkrai_ tonanhngo dane_leblanc adrian_otto16:02
tonanhngoThe nickserver made me, I will see if I can get back to tango :)16:02
hongbin#topic Announcements16:02
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hongbinI have no announcement16:02
hongbinAny announcement from our team member?16:02
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hongbin#topic Review Action Items16:03
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hongbin1. muralia confirm the date and location for the Magnum midcycle (DONE)16:03
hongbinDate: Aug 4 - 516:03
hongbinLocation: 9001 North I H 35 #150, Austin16:03
hongbin#link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/magnum-midcycle-tickets-26245489967 Ticket16:03
hongbinSo far, I sold 11 tickets16:03
tonanhngoGood sale!16:04
muralia_those who plan to come, please RSVP so I can get a headcount for organizing the event.16:04
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mkrai_Any way to attend for remote attendees?16:04
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muralia_yes, we'll try to use google hangouts like we did last time16:04
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mkrai_Thanks muralia_16:05
strigazimuralia_: We have to do anything else than buying a ticket from eventbrite?16:05
muralia_nope, just that. hongbin will give me an update16:05
strigaziok16:05
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hongbinOK. Advance topic16:06
hongbin#topic Essential Blueprints Review16:06
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tcammanno/16:06
hongbin1. Support baremetal container clusters (strigazi)16:06
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-baremetal-full-support16:06
hongbintcammann: Have you bought the ticket for midcycle? https://www.eventbrite.com/e/magnum-midcycle-tickets-2624548996716:07
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swatsono/ I'm late!16:07
strigaziI have updated the bp's whiteboard. Currently i'm working on setting up a gate job for a k8s ironic bay16:07
strigaziSomeone could start writing swarm-fedora-ironic templates16:08
strigazisimilar to k8s-fedora-ironic16:08
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strigaziI don't have anything else for this bp16:09
hongbinstrigazi: The k8s-fedora-ironic is working?16:09
mkrai_I would like to write the template for swarm16:09
strigazion devstack yes16:09
strigazithanks mkrai_16:10
tonanhngois it possible to test on real baremetal yet?16:10
strigazihongbin, it's better to have a gate job to verify this16:10
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hongbinstrigazi: The gate job is fine, but I guess poeple are looking for verifying it manually as well16:10
strigaziI think it is, but you must have a real openstack deployment with ironic16:10
hongbinstrigazi: ack16:11
tonanhngoIs there instruction on the ironic wiki?16:11
tonanhngo(for real bare metal)16:11
strigazihongbin, having a job will help us verify that future patches  won't break them and will force us updating them16:11
strigazitonanhngo, haven't check. I'll verify it16:12
hongbinstrigazi: I agree with that. My point is folks are earger to verify it manually :)16:12
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tonanhngook,  I would be interested to try it on baremetal16:12
strigazitonanhngo ok16:13
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strigazitonanhngo, let me what happen16:13
strigazithe thing is16:13
strigazithat you need at least two baremetal machines for that16:13
tonanhngoright, because of our bay16:14
strigaziI'll try to find as well16:14
strigaziit's exciting to break bare metal and not only vms :)16:14
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hongbinOK. Any further comment?16:15
hongbin2. Magnum User Guide for Cloud Operator (tango)16:15
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hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/user-guide16:15
tonanhngoThe Swarm section merged, and the baymodel section is currently under review.  Thanks everyone for the helpful reviews.16:16
tonanhngoI am working on the bay section now, should have it uploaded in the next few days16:16
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tonanhngoso, steady progress.16:16
tonanhngothat's all I have16:17
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hongbinThanks tonanhngo16:17
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muralia_also, please take a look at the bay driver section patch everyone16:17
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hongbinThat lead to the next BP16:17
hongbin3. COE Bay Drivers (jamie_h, muralia)16:17
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hongbinmuralia_: status?16:18
muralia_so, this patch needs a little bit more work. since I submitted a new patch last week, a few new patches got merged to the old classes. I need to move those today. I'm seeing functional test failures currently and working on those.16:18
muralia_do review it thought as its almost done. just needs some tweeking for the failures.16:19
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muralia_I've removed references to the old classes and moved over swarm related code and templates to the driver folder16:19
muralia_thats it for me16:19
strigazimuralia_: I have a question16:20
muralia_yes16:20
strigaziThe driver is loaded dynamically? Does magnum searches for the available drivers?16:21
muralia_no, not yet. first step it to move the code while still using the config file as the entry point.16:21
strigaziok16:21
muralia_however, i've removed the hardcoded paths to the templates16:22
muralia_those are discovered as we know the folder structure16:22
strigaziI'll try to merge it to my patch and push for k8s16:22
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strigazithat's all16:23
hongbinmuralia_: A minor suggestion. Since you patch is large, you can do this16:23
hongbinmuralia_: When you patch is ready to merge, you can search the list of conflicted patches, and giva -1 on them to request the conflicting patches to merge later or depends on your patch16:23
muralia_sure. i will do that. thanks16:24
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hongbinok16:24
hongbinHopefully, that will reduce the amout of work to resolve conflicts16:24
hongbin4. Create a magnum installation guide (strigazi)16:24
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hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-installation-guide16:24
strigaziGood news16:24
strigazihttp://docs.openstack.org/project-install-guide/container-infrastructure-management/draft/16:25
strigaziI also pushed and tested with the latest opensuse packages16:25
strigazihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/335051/16:25
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strigaziWIP: build deb packages to test on ubuntu/debian from master and lbaasV1 install notes16:26
strigazithat's it16:26
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hongbinstrigazi: Thanks. This one looks professional :) http://docs.openstack.org/project-install-guide/container-infrastructure-management/draft/16:27
hongbinstrigazi: Thanks for the hard work16:27
strigazi:)16:27
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mkrai_strigazi: Thanks. Looks really cool :)16:27
hongbin#topic Magnum UI Subteam Update (bradjones)16:28
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hongbinI didn't receive any update from brad16:28
hongbinSo let's skip this16:28
hongbin#topic Kuryr Integration Update (tango)16:28
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hongbintonanhngo: ^^16:29
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tonanhngoI attended the Kuryr meeting yesterday16:29
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tonanhngomost of the discussion was on the code refactoring, which will impact our integration16:30
hongbinThen, we need to wait for them to finish?16:30
tonanhngobasically, the current code is specific to libnetwork, so it needs to be generalized to accommodate CNI and other drivers16:30
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tonanhngono, I am moving ahead with the current code, but our patches will remain WIP until they finish the refactoring16:31
hongbinack16:31
tonanhngoSo we will make adjustment along the way as they proceed16:31
tonanhngoI am still debugging the Swarm bay with Kuryr16:32
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tonanhngoI tried the container image for openvswitch agent from Kolla.  It needs some config so I am working on this16:32
tonanhngoI may need to ping the Kolla team if I get stuck16:33
tonanhngoI also asked Vikas to update the Kuryr spec on the part mentioning Magnum API for container16:33
tonanhngoHe will remove those references16:34
tonanhngoThat's all for now16:34
hongbinThanks tonanhngo16:34
hongbinAny question for Ton?16:34
hongbin#topic Other blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas16:35
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hongbin1. Asynchronous Operations for bay?16:35
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hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/async-container-operations Asynchronous Container Operations16:35
hongbinmuralia_: I remembered you requested to discuss this one?16:35
muralia_yes, there are a few patches out there for async bay apis16:35
muralia_it changes the create behavior a little but16:36
muralia_the api does not return the entire bay object now, just the uuid as its still being created when the api returns16:36
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muralia_what does this affect?16:37
muralia_will it affect the UI integration?16:37
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muralia_just wanted everyone to be aware16:37
hongbinI am not sure the UI part, need to talk to Shu about that16:37
muralia_ok.16:37
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adrian_ottohongbin is Shu able to attend our team meetings, or is that not practical because of timezones?16:38
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hongbinadrian_otto: He is in Japan, it is late everning for him16:38
DragoLink to Async Bay Operations patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330771/16:38
adrian_ottoI see16:38
muralia_we'll need to update the getting started docs. Can you folks think of anything else this might impact? do leave comments16:38
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strigazimuralia_: which docs do you mean?16:39
hongbinmuralia_: Heat has a bay resource. Might worth to check if it is still working after teh patch16:39
hongbinmuralia_: mkrai_ Murano has a Magnum plugin, does it still work?16:40
muralia_strigazi: actually, i just checked again and the getting started guide does not show what bay create returns. so we are good.16:40
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mkrai_hongbin: I see some error on Magnum App16:40
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mkrai_But haven't looked in detail16:41
muralia_hongbin: thanks. we'll check all of these16:41
hongbinmkrai_: ack. Does it related to the aysnc patch or not?16:41
mkrai_I guess it is not16:41
mkrai_It is some authorization error16:41
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hongbinmkrai_: OK. We can work on that offline16:41
mkrai_Sure16:42
hongbinAny other comment on this topic?16:42
freerunnerhm, somebody says 'Murano' here16:42
freerunnerhi folks :)16:42
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hongbinfreerunner: Hi, we talked about the magnum-app for murano16:43
mkrai_freerunner: Yes we are talking about Magnum app16:43
freerunnerLooks like we have a bug for your case, yep. https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano-apps/+bug/159551116:43
openstackLaunchpad bug 1595511 in murano-apps "[Magnum][Murano] deployment of Magnum bay application is failed" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Madhuri Kumari (madhuri-rai07)16:43
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mkrai_freerunner: Thanks for it. I will try to submit the fix tomorrow16:43
freerunnermkrai_: Wow! Thank you very much!16:44
muralia_freerunner: thanks for that. we were also discussing a new change to make bay API's async.16:44
muralia_it changes the bay create behavior a little bit.16:44
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muralia_it now only returns a uuid as the bay is being created in the background.16:45
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muralia_https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330771/16:45
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mkrai_muralia_: Thanks for putting this up. I will check it for Magnum app16:45
muralia_freerunner: can you take a look at this patch and comment on it. we'd like to know if it breaks anything for you16:46
hongbin#topic Open Discussion16:46
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freerunnermuralia_: Will try to review it soon :)16:46
muralia_thanks16:47
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hongbinAnyone has a topic to discuss?16:47
strigaziyeap16:47
hongbinstrigazi: go ahead16:48
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strigaziDo we have a list of magnum users? Do we now people using it?16:48
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strigaziCan we do something about it?16:49
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strigaziIs it possible to have section in the wiki page for that?16:49
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hongbinstrigazi: good idea16:49
strigazithat's it16:49
hongbinstrigazi: I believe CERN is a user of Magnum?16:50
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strigaziyes we have two blog posts about our use case16:50
hongbinYes, from what I know, CERN is the only reported user16:50
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hongbinmuralia_: adrian_otto Does Rackspace have any plan to adopt Magnum?16:51
muralia_yes, we have internal deployments, but not available to our users yet. we do plan to.16:52
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hongbinmuralia_: ack16:52
hongbinI will create a wiki session for listing the users16:52
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hongbinFor everyone, you can add yourselves if you want16:53
tonanhngoI guess we will have solicit and get agreement for the users to be listed16:53
hongbin#action hongbin create a wiki session to report a list of Magnum users16:53
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hongbintonanhngo: Yes, it is up to them to edit the wiki to list themselves16:53
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hongbinOK. If there is no other topic, we can finish a bit earlier16:55
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hongbin#endmeeting16:55
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kzaitsev_mb#startmeeting murano17:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jun 28 17:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'murano'17:00
kzaitsev_mb#topic rollcall17:00
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kzaitsev_mblet's see who is going to make it to todays meeting =)17:00
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vakovalchuk\o/17:01
freerunner\o/17:01
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kzaitsev_mbA large portion of our team has a day off today )17:01
vakovalchuklike me17:01
zhurong0/17:01
kzaitsev_mblike you, yep =)17:01
StanLaguno/17:01
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kzaitsev_mbLet's see if we have finished any of the AI from last time )17:04
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sergmelikyano/17:05
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kzaitsev_mb#topic Action Items Review17:05
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kzaitsev_mb1) Nikolay_St kzaitsev_mb draft a spec with all the options we have considering swtiching from glance v1 to glance v217:06
kzaitsev_mbthat one is still in progress17:06
kzaitsev_mbmine about asking horizon guyse is related and will be in the spec17:07
kzaitsev_mb#action Nikolay_St kzaitsev_mb draft a spec with all the options we have considering swtiching from glance v1 to glance v217:07
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kzaitsev_mb2) Nikolay_St check convergence on 2d CI host and enable it17:07
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kzaitsev_mbI think it's also not done yet, Nikolay has been working hard to enable 3d host for our CI lately17:08
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kzaitsev_mbHe's real close, so I guess he'll do that as soon as he get's a break from configuring the CI =)17:08
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kzaitsev_mb#action Nikolay_St enable convergence on CI17:09
kzaitsev_mbI guess it's time we just start using it and sort out any problems heat throws at us17:09
kzaitsev_mbbtw, I actually though we use heat from devstack on our CI, but apparently we dont17:09
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kzaitsev_mb=/17:09
kzaitsev_mbnot that we're using any complex heat features and should rely on the latest heat for CI puporses...17:11
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kzaitsev_mbso I'm kind of ok with not having it that way17:11
kzaitsev_mbjust feels that we should remove it from CI then — should speed up tests by a minute or two17:11
kzaitsev_mbok,17:12
kzaitsev_mbto the agenda17:12
kzaitsev_mb#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda17:12
kzaitsev_mb#topic murano-agent release model17:12
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kzaitsev_mbThis one is going to be really short unfortunatelly17:12
kzaitsev_mb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334534/17:13
kzaitsev_mbI've added a review, and wrote a letter just recently about the agent17:13
kzaitsev_mbbut 1) apparently we've missed the window for changing the release model17:14
kzaitsev_mbI was really really sure that in mitaka it was m3, not m117:14
kzaitsev_mbbut then again it might be my memory playing tricks on me17:14
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Nikolay_Sthi all17:14
Nikolay_Stsorry for being late17:15
kzaitsev_mbso we would have to postpone this idea untill ocata I guess =/17:15
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kzaitsev_mbanyways, I welcome you guys to leave comments in the review and to my mail regarding agent's release model17:16
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kzaitsev_mbI think I'll try getting some of the dhellman's time and talk with him if we can go and change versioning of murano-agent. Since I surelly don't want to release a 3.0.0 version of the agent — the only real change that justifies it is py3 I guess17:18
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kzaitsev_mbthen again — we're not really tied to any branches with it17:19
kzaitsev_mbso we can just release a 2.1.0 at the end of the cycle17:19
kzaitsev_mbbut I'm not really sure what the milestone tags should be then..17:19
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kzaitsev_mb#action kzaitsev_mb clarify with the release-team versioning of milestones and full releases of murano-agent ETA: N217:20
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kzaitsev_mbfeels more like a monologue today =)17:20
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kzaitsev_mbNikolay_St: was it you who added convergence item to agenda?17:21
Nikolay_Stkzaitsev_mb: no17:21
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kzaitsev_mblet me check the wiki history then17:22
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kzaitsev_mbfreerunner: looks like it was you17:23
freerunnerkzaitsev_mb: Hm, I can't find convergence item in our agenda -_-17:23
kzaitsev_mb#topic Make murano-coverage job voting and add coverage jobs to client and dashboard in non-voting mode17:23
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kzaitsev_mbso, what's you take on it? =)17:23
kzaitsev_mboh man17:23
kzaitsev_mbit's coverage =)17:23
freerunner-_-17:23
freerunnercoverage, ofc =)17:23
freerunnerFolks, I would like to propose the following change as mentioned in topic17:24
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kzaitsev_mbStanLagun: ativelkov: sergmelikyan: ^^^17:24
sergmelikyan+17:24
sergmelikyanI totally support that17:25
freerunnerI think, that our coverage job is stable now. So, making it voting will give us a little bit more coverage17:25
kzaitsev_mbzhurong: your opinion is also important =)17:25
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sergmelikyanquestion is - do we actually running tests using heat at all? because my understanding is no17:25
sergmelikyanthan enabling convergence would not change anything17:25
kzaitsev_mbsergmelikyan: it's coverage not convergance17:25
sergmelikyanor may be I am misunderstanding something?17:25
sergmelikyankzaitsev_mb: :D17:25
sergmelikyanyeah, I am misunderstanding question like totally )17:26
StanLagundon't like the idea of coverage job17:26
freerunnerActually, I would like also add this job to muranoclient and dashboard.17:26
kzaitsev_mbfreerunner wants us to write more tests )17:26
freerunnerkzaitsev_mb: Exactly :)17:26
sergmelikyanI am worried that coverage job doesn't count muranopl tests17:26
sergmelikyanStanLagun: reasons?17:27
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StanLagunnot because it's bad but because it's not always good and if its voting you have to improve the coverage in each commit even if your tests are not unit-tests and don't count17:27
kzaitsev_mbStanLagun: not exactly, you can have no more than 5 more uncovered lines than before17:27
kzaitsev_mbso you can in fact decrease the coverage17:28
sergmelikyan:D17:28
StanLagun:)17:28
kzaitsev_mbbut just really really a little =)17:28
sergmelikyanfolks, you are discussing how to cheat :)17:28
sergmelikyanthis is not right )17:28
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kzaitsev_mbsergmelikyan: not exactly =)17:28
sergmelikyanfreerunner: what is out coverage for murano?17:28
StanLagunI'd hate to see fake units tests that cover something else, not the code in the commit just to satisfy the job17:28
freerunnersergmelikyan: In percentage?)17:29
sergmelikyanyes17:29
kzaitsev_mbit's more about the fact that it's sometimes hard to write good unit tests. or even impossible. If we're fixing a race condition for example17:29
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freerunnersergmelikyan: ~68%17:29
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freerunnersergmelikyan: This is unit test coverage.17:30
freerunnersergmelikyan: I really would like to increase it.17:30
kzaitsev_mbyeah, 68 seems a bit low17:31
Nikolay_Stfreerunner: oh17:31
Nikolay_Stwe have very bad coverage :D17:31
Nikolay_Stso, I'm +1 for voting job17:31
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kzaitsev_mbI wouldn't say, that 68 is very bad )17:31
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freerunnerYep, it is bad, but not very bad. It will be ok, that our code will be covered for 85% + , for example ;)17:33
StanLagunI'd say we should improve coverage but I have more faith in our developers to think that the only way to do it is to hit ourself in the head17:33
sergmelikyan?17:33
sergmelikyanwhy you call that "hit ourself in the head"? :)17:34
freerunners/head/leg/g17:34
freerunnermm?17:34
sergmelikyanI would propose to keep the job non-voting until we have acceptable level of coverage17:34
sergmelikyans/hit/shoot17:34
StanLagunI mean if we can improve coverage we should do it anyway. No need to go extreme and require coverage improvements on each commit even where it's impossble17:35
StanLagunhit in the heat like if the job doesn't enforce you you won't do anything17:35
freerunnerStanLagun: Stan, then we will do it really slow.17:35
sergmelikyanbut from other perspective it's does not require to cover more, only cover what you are proposing for review17:35
kzaitsev_mbfreerunner: lets file a bp and advertise it on the ML and start improving that, shall we? =)17:36
sergmelikyanwhich seems fare, we should cover our code with tests17:36
freerunnerkzaitsev_mb: File a bp for coverage or what?)17:36
StanLagunwishlist bug17:36
freerunnerkzaitsev_mb: Filing a bp for voting jobs is overkill17:36
kzaitsev_mbfor increasing coverage, yep )17:36
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freerunnerkzaitsev_mb: Really? I do not think, that this is helps us to increase our coverage shortly.17:38
sergmelikyanSo, I am voting for postponing making this job voting, but I encourage to set -1 for any change-request which is not covered by unit-tests and was not really clear how this works or reviewer has any doubts that it will work as expected17:38
sergmelikyan*had17:38
kzaitsev_mbfreerunner: writing tests to increase the coverage is a good entry-level contribution opportunity17:38
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kzaitsev_mbso, I would say, that we can benefit from advertising it on the ML, filing a bp and leading this initiatives ourselves17:39
sergmelikyanSo - you, as a reviewer, think that code might not work or have troubles reading the code? Set -1 and ask for unit-tests17:39
kzaitsev_mbalso, well, we're reviewers, right, we can always -1 if the job is red17:39
sergmelikyankzaitsev_mb: what is your opinion on my proposal?17:39
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freerunnerkzaitsev_mb: That's will be the same if the job will be voting.17:39
kzaitsev_mbI like sergmelikyan's idea more than making the job voting right now17:40
kzaitsev_mbfreerunner: making the job voting wouldn't make us increase the coverage17:40
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kzaitsev_mbactually writing more tests would17:40
freerunnerkzaitsev_mb: This is not equal?17:41
kzaitsev_mband I suggest to do that in a most open way possible17:41
kzaitsev_mbfreerunner: I believe not.17:41
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freerunnerMore tests == more coverage17:41
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kzaitsev_mbfreerunner: making job voting won't increase the coverage17:42
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freerunnerkzaitsev_mb: Maybe, but at least - this will help us to keep our 68% +17:43
kzaitsev_mbfreerunner: if the job would be voting — we would not write the tests for the 30% that we lack17:43
sergmelikyanI think we can go to the next item in agenda, and save argues for #murano17:43
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freerunner-_-17:45
kzaitsev_mb#agreed Not to make coverage job voting, -1 in case the job is red17:45
kzaitsev_mbat least we didn't agree otherwise )17:46
freerunnerlooks like..17:46
kzaitsev_mb#topic Open Discussion17:46
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kzaitsev_mb#action kzaitsev_mb file a bp and advertise it in the ML17:47
sergmelikyan#action comfort freerunner17:47
kzaitsev_mb=)17:47
kzaitsev_mb#action kzaitsev_mb file a bp and advertise it in the ML about increasing the coverage17:48
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kzaitsev_mbWe can always do that at least ;) regardles of voting or non-voting job17:48
kzaitsev_mbSince we're talking about jobs17:48
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kzaitsev_mbCan we delete gate-murano-pylint job? =)17:49
kzaitsev_mbdoes anyone really check it? =)17:50
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freerunnerkzaitsev_mb: Yep. I forgot to add this item to agenda :)17:50
Nikolay_Stkzaitsev_mb: I remember that we have a bp/bug to make pylint job green17:50
kzaitsev_mbI think Philip Blaha added it, but since then I'm not really sure that anyone looks at it's results17:51
freerunnerNikolay_St: Could you find it, please?17:51
kzaitsev_mbthe job is green17:51
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Nikolay_Stfreerunner: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/reduce-pylint-warnings17:51
Nikolay_Stddovbii added it17:51
kzaitsev_mbbut well the exceptions it throws are... vague at least )17:52
kzaitsev_mb"Too many statements (51/50)" =)17:52
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freerunner["Similar lines in 3 files", "from murano.dsl import constants"]17:53
freerunnerlol :)17:53
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zhurongfolks, shall we discuss about this patch:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334943/ about murano-client with OSC17:53
kzaitsev_mbfreerunner: exactly17:54
freerunnerzhurong: Well, I like this patch.17:55
zhurongAnd Tang Chen give me another review:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333311/ ironicclient which project -2 to this17:55
kzaitsev_mbzhurong: it should be in test-requirements.txt17:56
kzaitsev_mbI believe17:56
kzaitsev_mbok, I'll propose the patch with removal of the pylint job and would advertise it on #murano17:56
kzaitsev_mbor well17:57
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kzaitsev_mbzhurong: just putting it back into requirements doesn't solve anything really17:57
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zhurongyeap, but the comment is ironicclient give a lot of information for not include osc-lib right now17:57
freerunnerzhurong: It's unstable?17:58
zhurongosc-lib  not a stable version, there will change a lot17:58
kzaitsev_mbso it should either be reverted back to openstackclient in the code, or we shouldn't accept this commit imo17:58
freerunnerzhurong: Hm, this changing everything.17:59
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kzaitsev_mbok, we're almost out of time17:59
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kzaitsev_mblet's move the rest to #murano and to the review itself17:59
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zhurongok18:00
freerunnerkk18:00
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kzaitsev_mbthanks for coming18:00
kzaitsev_mb#endmeeting18:00
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catherineD#startmeeting refstack19:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jun 28 19:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:00
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catherineDhello everyone19:02
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catherineD#link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-06-2819:02
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catherineD#topic Test results ownership19:03
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catherineD#link     Ownership of the test results  (  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/refstack/+spec/test-results-ownership  )19:04
catherineD#link     Mark a test record as “used for OpenStack certification” (  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/refstack/+spec/certification-test-record )19:04
catherineD#link     Specification to associate test results to products. (  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332260/ )19:05
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catherineDThere is a lot of discussion in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332260/19:06
catherineDcould you please take a look19:06
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catherineDwe can discuss here or you can just add you comment to the blueprint or the patch ... I know it is a lot to read at one time19:08
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sslypushenkocatherineD:  I'd say really *a lot*19:10
catherineDsslypushenko: I know ... let's review off line?19:10
sslypushenkomaybe we can move on now and return later19:11
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rockygworks for me.....19:11
catherineDok19:11
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rockyglet's make sure hogepodge comments on this, though.19:11
hogepodgeo/19:11
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catherineDthe agenda is kind of light today19:11
sslypushenkoor even schedule some mid week discussion in #refstack channel19:11
rockygAnd maybe markvoelker19:11
andrey-mpo/19:11
catherineDhogepodge: hi19:11
hogepodgeI have a topic for open discussion too19:12
catherineDhogepodge: could you add that to the agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-06-2819:12
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sslypushenkohogepodge:  o/19:13
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catherineDschedule a midweek meeting seems like a good idea ... I really want to discuss the ownership transfer topic so that we proceed to coding ... I want to get feedback with live demo at defcore meeting19:14
catherineDHow is everyone's schedule on Thursday?19:14
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rockygI'm off Thursday.19:15
catherineDoh19:15
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rockygAnd Friday.19:15
catherineDhow about Wed?  which is tomorrow19:15
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rockygworks for me19:16
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catherineDhogepodge: sslypushenko:  pvaneck: andrey-mp: how about you?19:16
pvaneckwhenever really19:17
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hogepodgeI'm generally free this week, especially after 12:30 tomorrow (PST) or Thursday19:17
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catherineDhow about meet at #refstack at 19:30 UTC on Wednesday?  Please +1 or -119:18
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catherineDWednesday June 29, 201619:18
andrey-mpwednesday and thursday works for me19:18
rockyg=119:18
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sslypushenkocatherineD:  +1 for Wednesday19:18
rockyg+119:18
andrey-mpwhat time?19:18
andrey-mp19:00 UTC ?19:19
andrey-mpI19:19
catherineD19:30 which is like at this time tomorrow19:19
andrey-mpI'll ask Alex what day he prefer19:19
catherineDhogepodge: is only available after 12:30 PST19:19
hogepodgeCan't do that time19:19
hogepodgeI could swing 20:0019:20
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hogepodgeI mean 18:0019:20
catherineDhogepodge: what is the best time for you tomorrow?19:20
catherineDlet's vote again to meet at 18:00 UTC on Wed (June 29) at #refstack19:20
hogepodge18:00 UTC, or after 22:00 utc are ideal for tomorrow19:20
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andrey-mpafter 22:00 UTC we will sleep )19:21
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sslypushenko18:00 UTC works for me19:22
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catherineDI take that everyone is OK for us to meet 18:00 UTC tomorrow19:23
catherineDandrey-mp: could you please let Alex know19:23
pvaneck+1 works for me19:24
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catherineDOK I will send an invitation ... thx everyone19:24
catherineDmoving on19:24
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catherineD#topic Pending reviews19:24
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catherineD#link     Replace run_tempest.sh script with ostestr command  (  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329691/ )19:26
catherineDLuz just made an other update ... please review19:26
andrey-mpcatherineD: Alex can meet at 17:00 UTC and don't know about 18:0019:26
catherineDhogepodge: does 17:00 works for you?19:27
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hogepodgeNo, I have a WG meeting19:28
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catherineDandrey-mp: Please check with Alex....the other time slot is 22 which I think is late for andrey-mp: sslypushenko: and Alex19:30
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catherineDso we will meet at 18:00 tomorrow ...19:31
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catherineDanyother question?19:31
catherineDmoving on ..19:31
catherineD#topic Open discussion19:32
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catherineDlet's discuss item 3.2 Optionally upload subunit files for Foundation evaluation19:32
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sslypushenkoyeap19:32
hogepodgeIt's looking like at some point we're going to need a way to get subunit files19:33
sslypushenkohogepodge:  that is sounds strange... a bit19:33
hogepodgeGenerally for special cases (like the waiver program we're looking at in DefCore) or when disputes arise.19:34
hogepodgejson files are way to easy to forge19:34
hogepodgeand we may need to run scripts on some results to parse information19:34
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hogepodgesubunit shouldn't be publicly available though19:34
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hogepodgebut having a record in one place would be nice19:34
hogepodgeI can do without the feature, but I'd prefer centralized storage of test results19:35
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catherineDThe reason from the beginning is privacy concern ..19:36
sslypushenkohogepodge:  subunit files can contain some privacy data19:37
catherineDthe subunit file may contain credential19:37
hogepodgenot any more, tempest and qa has worked hard to remove that19:37
hogepodgemtreinish: do credentials leak into subunit files?19:37
catherineDalso at the very beginning .. the thought is to only focusing on pass test ..19:38
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mtreinishhogepodge: they should not, the only thing in subunit attachments are the logs, stdout, and stderr. If we leak passwords into the logs that's a critical bug19:38
catherineDwe do not need to know about fail tests especially the fail reason19:38
sslypushenkohogepodge:  you need to convince not only us, but all potential RefStack users19:39
hogepodgecatherineD: that's changing, it doesn't need to be required, but optional would be nice19:39
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hogepodgesslypushenko: if vendors want to pass defcore with special cases or appeal disputes to their results, that's convincing enough19:39
catherineDsslypushenko: +1 ... I think the submitter needs to know19:40
hogepodgecatherineD: it would be optional19:40
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sslypushenkohogepodge:  sounds reasonable, though19:40
hogepodgeI can ask for them on the side, it's just better to have information in one place if possible.19:41
catherineDhogepodge: RefStack so far save very little confidential data ... we save no credential or any private data ..19:41
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catherineDonce the system involve saving private data .. wouldn't the server become a different class of server ... that need more stringing IT policy?19:42
rockygSo, we'd need a ui with confirmation for the subunit uploads.  You have to answer yes after selecting the upload...19:42
hogepodgeif a user configures their testing correctly the only place credentials should appear is accounts.yaml, which I definitely don't want19:42
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hogepodgecatherineD: but consider that if I'm testing a cloud, I may want to save the output of my own test results for reference19:42
hogepodgecatherineD: and that's the case right now as I test public clouds independently19:43
catherineDhogepodge: you do ... I am just taking about the responsibility of the party who store private data ...the server now becomes a different IT class server with different IT policy to abide to ..19:43
sslypushenkohogepodge:  I'm ok with optional upload of raw subunit data...19:43
catherineDat least that is how it work in our company19:44
sslypushenkobut we need to provide a possibility to user for review uploaded data19:44
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sslypushenkoit is not a piece of cake to look thought subunit results19:45
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rockygyeah, what catherine says is about corporate compliance and legal responsibilities19:45
catherineDsslypushenko: once there is a way to upload data it does no matter whether it is optinal or not19:45
catherineDrockyg: +1 exactly19:45
mtreinishyou do realize there is nothing in subunit that's not in the log file or the console output19:45
rockygThis sounds like a midcycle agenda item.  And maybe with defcore, too.19:46
sslypushenkorockyg: +!19:46
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catherineDmtreinish: that is right .. that is why refstack does not save log or console or subunit file ,,, just a list of test case names19:46
catherineDrockyg: +119:46
rockygBut discoverin the deeper issues before midcycle is also very good.19:47
catherineDrefstack does not need to know which tests fail and the reason of failures ... we only need to know the good news which is which tests pass19:47
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sslypushenkohogepodge:  one more question... subunit files can be also forged, what your thoughts about it?19:48
hogepodgecatherineD: but that is likely going to change, especially with this additional properties business19:48
hogepodgewe need a way to evaluate why a failure happened19:48
mtreinishsure, but that doesn't mean you're leaking anything confidential, that would be a serious bug in tempest. It just means you've never looked19:48
hogepodgeThe board is favoring the waiver process, and to make it workable I need subunit data19:49
sslypushenkogot it... but what the pros of subunit on json results?19:50
hogepodgesslypushenko: if a test fails because if additional properties on the response, that can be parsed out and evaluated19:50
hogepodgesslypushenko: for example19:50
hogepodgesslypushenko: also, we had a company passing the test earlier with a pass on a permanently skipped test. subunit would have given me an opportunity to evaluate if they actually ran the test (with a modified tempest) or cheated19:51
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sslypushenkoI can not agree with the last statement19:52
sslypushenkosubunit tests can be also a fake19:53
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catherineDhogepodge: cheating is an issue that we discuss earlier ... and we agree that it is the customers of the vendors who will findout ..19:53
rockygSo, this raises all sorts of legal compliance issues for protection of client confidential data19:53
hogepodgethere's nothing confidential19:54
sslypushenkoit is a bit complicated then to edit json... but it is not a good solution on the long run19:54
rockygsubunit is confidential.19:54
hogepodgerockyg: it's self reported, private to everyone else except the foundation, and required for administration of the program19:54
hogepodgerockyg: why?19:54
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hogepodgerockyg: if I need it to verify trademark compliance, it's well within the rights of the foundation to demand it, as well as access to the software in question19:55
hogepodgerockyg: or we just deny the trademark application19:55
rockygBecause it *does* contain specific operational data.  This could be considered a company secret and handing it over might be voluntary, but custodial responsibilities change19:55
catherineDhogepodge: so foundation will be responsible if the data on the server is leak?19:55
hogepodgeit's a matter of making the job easier and maintaining a record19:55
sslypushenkoin the perfect world, I'd like to see in RefStack a way to have some how signed test results19:56
hogepodgecatherineD: we're responsible for keeping confidential data confidential. test results for a publicly administered trademark program are hardly confidential, especially when they are reproducible by end users19:56
rockygOne of the original reasons, beside credential leakage, we parsed subunit was so that we ensured against receiving any data a company might consider secret19:56
catherineDrockyg: ++19:57
hogepodgerockyg: the moment you allow someone to run tempest against your cloud all secrecy behind test results are gone19:57
hogepodgeopen is open19:57
rockygnot true.  User is not admin.  An admin running user tests may provide a different log experience than a user running the same tests19:58
* catherineD looking at the clokd only 2 mins to go19:58
catherineDI think this is a good topic for mid-cycle...19:59
catherineDhogepodge: thanks for bringing the topic for discussion ...19:59
rockygThis will certainly make midcycle interesting....19:59
catherineDwe need to end the meetying now .. thanks everyone !20:00
catherineD#endmeeting20:00
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hogepodgerockyg: I don't require admin test results20:00
rockygNo, but if the tests are run by an admin, log files could have different info than if run by a non-privileged account20:01
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mtreinishrockyg: umm, that's not how things work. An admin is just a regular user with an extra role, to get extra data from your admin privleges you need to ask for it20:03
mtreinishand for most tests you can't actually run with an admin user anyway (tempest doesn't let you)20:04
rockygmtreinish, so there is no leakage between the tempest logs and the system logs?20:04
mtreinishunless you lie in your config file and tell tempest a user is not admin when it is20:04
mtreinishrockyg: tempest doesn't have access to the system, it only uses the api20:05
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mtreinishtempest only logs what api requests it made and the response it got20:05
mtreinishas well as anything being generated from tempest itself20:05
rockygso all logs and log info collected is from logs created by the tempest process.  I believe that, but some folks are a lot more paranoid than I am about info leaks.20:06
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