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| ihrachys | hello upgrade folks :) | 15:01 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 18 15:01:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:01 |
| slunkad_ | hello | 15:01 |
| korzen | Hi ihrachys, good to see you back in business | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | it's good indeed to be back! :) | 15:02 |
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| * ihrachys waves at sc68cal and rossella_s | 15:02 | |
| rossella_s | hi ihrachys and all | 15:02 |
| jlibosva | hello | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam Agenda | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:03 | |
| ihrachys | not much from me. we delivered N2, and N3 is in August. | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | we should try to land subnet and maybe port till then | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Partial Multinode Grenade (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:04 | |
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| ihrachys | there was some progress on that one lately | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | linuxbridge flavour added to experimental: https://review.openstack.org/336793 and https://review.openstack.org/340962 | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | that said, the job currently fails on three tests accessing FIP | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | with ssh timeout | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | suggesting another MTU issue :) | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | speaking of MTU... | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | we had a bad week for multinode grenade, the job started to misbehave | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1603268 | 15:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1603268 in neutron "Unstable grenade multinode job" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Ihar Hrachyshka (ihar-hrachyshka) | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | the current theory is, we issue ssh into FIP attached to an instance using br-ex, and the bridge has mtu = 1500, while underlying network is at 1450 | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | so requests don't pass thru | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | we are not yet sure how it still works, even if unstable | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | anyhow, there is a set of patches that should get it back to decency | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | starting at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343024/ plus Depends-On links | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | overall, there are some things to tweak in devstack-gate to fix mtu sanity, like properly configuring neutron with global_physnet_mtu instead of network_device_mtu: https://review.openstack.org/342975 | 15:08 |
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| ihrachys | that plus some other cleanup bits should hopefully get the job in better shape | 15:08 |
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| ihrachys | including linuxbridge one | 15:09 |
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| ihrachys | I will recheck the latter once we settle down the ovs one that is in gate. | 15:09 |
| korzen | MTU.. never ending story ;) | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | aye. I have like 8 patches related to MTU sitting in my queue :) | 15:09 |
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| ihrachys | there were also some good news about dvr | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | thanks to sc68cal, we now have it voting: https://review.openstack.org/336116 | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | YAY | 15:10 |
| korzen | :) | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | so both legacy and dvr upgrades are covered in gate. | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | I guess the plan now is to monitor both, then later consider dropping the legacy one (at least that's what I saw in the etherpad crafted by armax and sc68cal) | 15:10 |
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| korzen | dvr should be covering the legacy... | 15:11 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: elaborate | 15:11 |
| korzen | the question is how much DVR is dvr job now | 15:11 |
| korzen | current dvr job in my understanding is running legacy too | 15:12 |
| korzen | because it has smoke tests | 15:12 |
| korzen | which is using legacy | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | korzen: ok, so you suggest we may have testing gaps in dvr cases in dvr job. | 15:12 |
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| korzen | but I'm not sure if smoke will create legacy or neutron is confgured to launch dvr routers? | 15:13 |
| korzen | grenade is running the general tempest tests, and I'm not sure if dvr specific tests are launched | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | yeah, something to consider. also of interest for 'long standing resources' that are created by grenade and are, I suspect, all legacy (if we create routers at all) | 15:14 |
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| ihrachys | tests executed in dvr jobs: http://logs.openstack.org/58/342958/3/check/gate-grenade-dsvm-neutron-dvr-multinode/df59b0d/logs/testr_results.html.gz | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | it's really basic so far. | 15:15 |
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| ihrachys | speaking of which, I think grenade does not even execute smoke tests from neutron tree right now | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | there is a patch to fix that: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337372/ | 15:16 |
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| ihrachys | without it, our smoke tags are of no use for grenade runs | 15:16 |
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| ihrachys | ok, it's something to consider in the next iterations around those jobs. overall it's cool to see progress. | 15:17 |
| korzen | yeap | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | as I mentioned before, we are short on time, and we should really strive to land some big objects, subnet and port are likely the best candidates at this point. | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | now that I am back, I started looking at subnet set of patches from korzen and will try to avoid slowing down Artur | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: korzen has a bunch of patches in his queue that I believe are mergeable, I marked some with +2 | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | would be cool to try to flush those asap | 15:18 |
| korzen | I'm constantly debugging and fixing found issues | 15:19 |
| korzen | for subnet | 15:19 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, ack...I will look at them tomorrow | 15:19 |
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| ihrachys | ok, I think with korzen on subnet, it's covered. | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | what about port? I believe jlibosva did not have time to revive it? | 15:20 |
| slunkad_ | I guess we are only waiting for one testcase for the sg patch .. korzen I don't really understand what you have done in the _load_shared method for subnet | 15:20 |
| jlibosva | nope, I didn;t | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: so you either step in now, or risk me taking it over!!!1! :) | 15:20 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: I think it would be better if you take over | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | slunkad_: I see -1 at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284738/ that is there for some time. are you planning to respin it this week so that we can land it? | 15:21 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva: yessir | 15:21 |
| jlibosva | thanks and sorry :) | 15:22 |
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| slunkad_ | ihrachys: yes I am, we discussed in the last meeting about the testcase that is needed for is_default | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | slunkad_: also, we were suggesting before that new patches should contain code that integrate those objects in db code. is it on your radar? | 15:22 |
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| slunkad_ | ihrachys: yes surely, after the sg is merged | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | slunkad_: it would be better to have both pieces ready to land before we push buttons. | 15:23 |
| slunkad_ | kong: if you could explain a little more what exactly you are doing for subnet it would help me to move forward | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | slunkad_: at least to grasp if the initial version of the object is good enough to be used at least for something. | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | slunkad_: otherwise it's code that hangs untangled from the actual neutron-serve | 15:24 |
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| ihrachys | *server | 15:24 |
| slunkad_ | ihrachys: oh ok, then I can start working on it sooner | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | slunkad_: thanks | 15:24 |
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| ihrachys | slunkad_: I see you already have a WIP for that | 15:24 |
| slunkad_ | ihrachys: yes but that is really really old | 15:24 |
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| slunkad_ | s/kong/korzen | 15:25 |
| korzen | sorry I've got disconnected | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | slunkad_: I am not following how korzen shared field relates to sg patch you have. can you elaborate? | 15:25 |
| korzen | ihrachys, I was suggesting for is-default attribute to be implemented similary like subnet's shared | 15:26 |
| slunkad_ | ihrachys: apparently since is_default is only handled in create | 15:26 |
| korzen | and I mean the load_shared logic | 15:26 |
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| korzen | we need to write special loading method for synthetic field that has not an OVO | 15:27 |
| slunkad_ | korzen: I guess you mean just the skeleton of load_share because the stuff in it looks quite different | 15:27 |
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| korzen | what I mean is to create method load_default() and put in in from_db_obj() overridden mehtod in SG class | 15:28 |
| slunkad_ | korzen: ok | 15:29 |
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| ihrachys | ok I hope we are clear on the way forward there. | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | there are other object patches in the queue, though I haven't reached them just yet. I try to stick to what is most critical, which is subnet and port in my world. | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | that said, we'll get there with reviews for other patches. | 15:31 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Other patches on review | 15:32 |
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| ihrachys | I had something related to mtu, but now in database. | 15:32 |
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| ihrachys | so in mitaka, we changed a way we configure mtu. new networks got correct mtu values calculated and stored in db. | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | now, for existing networks created before fixes, db contains bad values (like 0) that break backend mtu setup. | 15:33 |
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| ihrachys | and those networks have not migrated just yet to correct values. | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | so, I have a patch that makes mtu field not persisted in db but calculated on demand on every network fetch: https://review.openstack.org/336805 | 15:33 |
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| ihrachys | basically, for upgrade matters, it means that after upgrade to N, old networks may have MTUs changed (as returned by neutron-server) | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | now, if we talk about api only, it's all good and done. | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | but then, we have agents still running with bad MTU applied. the question is, should we do something more than just fixing it on neutron-server, like triggering MTU reset on agents somehow? | 15:35 |
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| ihrachys | how do we handle such changes in generall? | 15:35 |
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| korzen | I guess we can resync | 15:36 |
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| korzen | then agents will get new values of MTU | 15:36 |
| korzen | it should be maybe exposed via CLI? | 15:37 |
| korzen | to forve the sync on old agent? | 15:37 |
| korzen | force* | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | will agents always trigger full resync on restart? or do they sometimes apply some graceful techniques to skip some of work? | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | because upgrade kinda requires eventual restart of an agent, and maybe it's good enough. | 15:37 |
| korzen | that is one option | 15:37 |
| korzen | but what about old agents? | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: comments? | 15:38 |
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| korzen | if you will leave some L2 agents running for longer period before upgrde? | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | korzen: in a way, they will stay broken (using mixed bad and good MTUs) until they are upgraded. | 15:38 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, the l2 agent will always full resync | 15:39 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: for new ports on a network handled by new neutron-server, MTU will be correct; only devices that were created before neutron-server is upgraded will have bad MTUs. | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | the mixed nature of MTU of course will make debugging issues fun | 15:39 |
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| korzen | ihrachys, sounds like ops are going to have more fun because of us :) | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | but then, an argument can be made that 'some ports have broken mtu' is better than 'all ports have broken mtu' :) | 15:40 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: I assume it's the same for l3 and dhcp | 15:40 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, I guess so | 15:41 |
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| korzen | it is like L2 is wiring them | 15:42 |
| korzen | so the L2 is enough | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | l3 router also does its job though, since it handles namespaces. | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | they all rely on interface_driver | 15:42 |
| korzen | so where is exactly MTU set? | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | on all ports plugged into a network. it's both router/dhcp ports as well as instance taps | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | for tap, it's both nova and neutron that handle it. | 15:44 |
| korzen | ihrachys, but where in code? | 15:44 |
| korzen | sorry if I'm asking obvious things | 15:44 |
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| ihrachys | neutron/agent/linux/interface.py is for interface_drivers | 15:44 |
| korzen | ok | 15:45 |
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| ihrachys | for hybrid bridge, it's somewhere in nova tree, not neutron. though neutron provides the value to apply. | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | anyway, seems like we may assume a resync. mixed mtus are not the best thing I would like to see, but even if we trigger resync somehow, it may still take time to apply, in the meantime we are still left with mixed mtus. | 15:46 |
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| ihrachys | ok, any more upgrade related patches to discuss? | 15:47 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:48 |
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| ihrachys | I see two patches from korzen in the agenda: https://review.openstack.org/334380 and https://review.openstack.org/334381 | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | I already reviewed both and they are good | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | korzen: do we need anything there apart from +W? | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | or is there something to discuss? | 15:49 |
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| korzen | they are ok | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | ok, anything more to discuss? | 15:49 |
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| korzen | I guess not | 15:50 |
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| ihrachys | I bet not. ok, let's focus on subnet and port and make progress there. | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | thanks everyone! | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:50 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 18 15:50:36 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-07-18-15.01.html | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-07-18-15.01.txt | 15:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-07-18-15.01.log.html | 15:50 |
| korzen | ok thanks, bye | 15:50 |
| jlibosva | o/ | 15:50 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 18 16:00:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
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| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero, haypo | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for lifeless, lintan, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 16:00 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:00 |
| rbradfor | o/ o/ o/ | 16:00 |
| gcb | o/ | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | yo yo | 16:00 |
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| harlowja_at_home | alright, guess we'll get going and see who wonders in :-P | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:01 |
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| gcb | oslo.context 2.6 breaks Nova test, dims block this version in g-r | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | i guess nova had a red flag @ http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099467.html | 16:02 |
| johnsom | Nothing to report in load balancing land | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, thx gcb and dims_ for that | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | nothing on neutron side | 16:02 |
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| osh | no red flags from murano | 16:02 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 16:02 |
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| harlowja_at_home | gcb, any idea why that broke nova? | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331916/4/oslo_context/context.py doesn't seem like it should have | 16:04 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, gcb I know, see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343694/ | 16:04 |
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| rbradfor | nova (and other projects) are doing a dictionary comparison, and is_admin_project was added to dictionary | 16:04 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ah | 16:04 |
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| rbradfor | patch does a attribute comparison on "what we want to test in the project" | 16:04 |
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| harlowja_at_home | kk | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, that makes sense | 16:05 |
| rbradfor | i patched it in senlin also, seems a lot of other projects are unaffected | 16:05 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ya, i wouldn't call it a need for 3.0 for that, just more of nova needs to stop doing those kinds of equivalence tests | 16:05 |
| rbradfor | however I'd like to ask, I thought periodic tests were running against oslo master, should we not know about these problems before a release. | 16:05 |
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| dims_ | rbradfor : harlowja_at_home : right. are the tests green or red? :) | 16:06 |
| gcb | http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/job/periodic-nova-py34-with-oslo-master | 16:06 |
| rbradfor | well, they have blacklisted it now, jamielennox is not on, but he had another patch in 2.6, as did 1. There was also something that missed 2.6 | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, its a good question, pretty sure i checked last week for the periodic tests | 16:07 |
| dims_ | the tests were failing and we still pushed out a release :( | 16:07 |
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| rbradfor | dims_, gcb could we take a moment now, or after meeting in -olso to understand/explain the periodic tests some more so we can pre-empt this next time | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | now is fine | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | usually i check http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/?groupKey=build_name&resolutionKey=hour&searchProject=-with-oslo before releases | 16:08 |
| dims_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dims-periodic-jobs | 16:08 |
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| gcb | the jobs will tell us whether the master branch of oslo.* will break consuming projects | 16:09 |
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| rbradfor | status still trying to load for me? | 16:09 |
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| gcb | they're useful to avoid breaking projects when we release new version lib | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, it takes a while | 16:10 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so intersting for this one i think was that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340578/ was merged on july 12th | 16:10 |
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| harlowja_at_home | which if we do a little analysis shows that nova was green then on july 11th | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | on http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/g/build_name/periodic-nova-py27-with-oslo-master | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | it started failing july 13th | 16:11 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so dims_ i don't quite think it was a purposely done release of bad things | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | just more of a odd coincidence (there seems to be a periodic run on july 12th of nova that is missing, lol) | 16:11 |
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| dims_ | harlowja_at_home : aha | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, a little odd | 16:12 |
| rbradfor | also, actually the nova tests check for warnings so even writing better tests still fail (and will with subsequent warning emitting, a present review) http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/tree/nova/tests/unit/test_context.py#n144 | 16:12 |
| * jd__ votes for killing oslo.context anyway | 16:13 | |
| * amrith sneaks in and hopes no one will notice; really, I was here all along | 16:13 | |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, damn, tests against log output make me sad, lol | 16:13 |
| rbradfor | jd__, good luck with that, it's used extensively in logging. | 16:13 |
| dims_ | i had another layer of protection. a set of jobs running against bot proposed updates. that failed as well | 16:13 |
| jd__ | rbradfor: let's kill logging too lol | 16:13 |
| dims_ | i'll request the new requirements cores to chase that | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims_, is that a new set of jobs? | 16:14 |
| dims_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:dims/test/constraints | 16:15 |
| dims_ | harlowja : ^ | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | kk, gotcha | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | it'd be nice to somehow get that plugged in more offically somehow | 16:16 |
| dims_ | harlowja : i'll let you ping say coolsvap about it :) | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | kk | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Releases for newton | 16:17 |
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| rbradfor | should we discuss the "3.0.0" suggestion? | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | and/or any other releases that people want/need | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | the 3.0 suggestion, feels a little weird | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | and perhaps should be better suited by better docs around what is public and what isn't | 16:18 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, I don't see the justification, we augment api signatures to make them compatible. | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | right | 16:18 |
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| harlowja_at_home | and to_dict doesn't seem like it should be a thing projects are testing content of | 16:19 |
| rbradfor | it's not the new argument that's the problem, it's that a method is now returning a dictionary with an additional attribute. | 16:19 |
| dims_ | we should check the jobs more often........... | 16:19 |
| rbradfor | not something I feel warrants a major release. | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims_, ya, that to :-P | 16:19 |
| gcb | dims_ +1 | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, i agree | 16:19 |
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| dims_ | it's just not just the 1 person(s) job :) | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/tree/nova/tests/unit/test_context.py feels like it does alot of internal oslo.content checks | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims_, ya, agreed, i'm gonna make a little bot later that will watch those jobs and write them into irc | 16:20 |
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| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, I had this discussion with dhellmann for another project, and I proposed reducing tests on his comments to sub-classed attributes only. | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | (assuming i can get at the data, ha) | 16:20 |
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| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, that'd make sense i think | 16:21 |
| rbradfor | having nova accept that oslo.context is doing the tests on its behalf will probably be a more complex task | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/tree/nova/tests/unit/test_context.py#n83 feels weird imho | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, agreed | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims do u know if http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/g/build_name/periodic-nova-py27-with-oslo-master comes in json form :-P | 16:22 |
| rbradfor | each project takes on subclassing different, and some even have errors processing kwargs, you only detect any inconsistencies after you try to remove it. | 16:22 |
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| harlowja_at_home | right | 16:24 |
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| timothyb89 | harlowja_at_home: depending on which part of the page you're looking for, http://health.openstack.org/runs/key/build_name/periodic-nova-py27-with-oslo-master | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | timothyb89, kk, i'll see what i can grab later | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | and make an IRC bot that at least sends that data (on failing) right into IRC periodically :-P | 16:25 |
| timothyb89 | harlowja_at_home: oh, for failures you'd want http://health.openstack.org/runs/key/build_name/periodic-nova-py27-with-oslo-master/recent (or rss at http://health.openstack.org/runs/key/build_name/periodic-nova-py27-with-oslo-master/recent/rss ) | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | #action harlowja make that IRC bot | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | ah, cool, thx timothyb89 | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | that will likely work | 16:25 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so rbradfor do u want to send out a ML response to the nova one or shall i ;) | 16:26 |
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| harlowja_at_home | about 3.0 and how it sorta umm doesn't feel needed | 16:26 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, I can tackle that. | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | k, i can send a little retrospective on how that got released (jobs being green on july 11th before release and ...) and how I'm going to make a more vocal periodic job 'emitter' thing | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | that'll hopefully be useful to someone, h | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | *ha | 16:27 |
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| harlowja_at_home | any other releases needed for folks of oslo libs? | 16:28 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i'll double check what there is to release when i get in (not thinking to much to get out anyway) | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Reviews needing review | 16:30 |
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| harlowja_at_home | any reviews that people want some more attention on that we can bring up here so that they (may) get more eyes on them :) | 16:31 |
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| harlowja_at_home | bring your reviews! | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | any reviews, lol | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | 2 for 1 | 16:31 |
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| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, well if your making that offer | 16:31 |
| * harlowja_at_home oh crap | 16:31 | |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:31 |
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| harlowja_at_home | 0.5 for 1? | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:32 |
| rbradfor | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:context_refactor and https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:oslo_i18n_cleanup are small tasks to bring projects closer to being consistent, one oslo.context related. | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | awesome | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | osh, ^ has one for murano | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342912/ | 16:34 |
| rbradfor | there was also another project I tackled for oslo incubator cleanup https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/gce-api+branch:master+topic:oslo_incubator_cleanup but I may have missed something | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | man, alot of people went and subclasses the oslo.context stuff | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | *subclassed | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | i can see why people started testing to_dict themselves | 16:35 |
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| harlowja_at_home | gce-api project, is that still active? | 16:35 |
| rbradfor | gce wasn't even subclassed, it was copied, but your point is valid for other projects | 16:35 |
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| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, active (I don't know), but if inactive, than this serves as a measure to have this discussion | 16:36 |
| rbradfor | it lead to me killing off kite. | 16:36 |
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| harlowja_at_home | agreed, seems a teeny bit active | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | but not exactly getting major work i can see from the review history | 16:36 |
| rbradfor | I generally check commits before embarking on a project cleanup | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya | 16:37 |
| osh | harlowja_at_home: got it | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx osh | 16:37 |
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| * rbradfor thinks I should call myself the janitor, I cleanup a lot of stuff | 16:38 | |
| harlowja_at_home | the best janitor ever! | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | my hero | 16:38 |
| rbradfor | definitely not a hero | 16:38 |
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| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:39 |
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| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, anyway its much appreciated :) | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | at least i appreciate it :) | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | +1 appreciation | 16:40 |
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| harlowja_at_home | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jdI8gkQKBE0G9koR0nLiW02d5rwyWv_-gAp7yavt4w8/ (tooz related) for those interested | 16:40 |
| rbradfor | np, I consider them good Friday projects, something to knock off. | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | def | 16:41 |
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| harlowja_at_home | jd__, is that a guy from redhat? | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | <jschwarz> that is | 16:41 |
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| jd__ | harlowja_at_home: yes | 16:41 |
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| harlowja_at_home | seems tested against RDO so was wondering about that | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | (in that canonical folks wouldn't test against RDO) | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | :-P | 16:41 |
| jd__ | you never know | 16:42 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:42 |
| harlowja_at_home | true dat | 16:42 |
| gcb | harlowja_at_home, it seems hacking does not belong to oslo any more, right ? | 16:42 |
| harlowja_at_home | gcb, i believe that is correct, i think it got moved to QA ? | 16:42 |
| gcb | yes, so we need clean up oslo wiki page | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/153,members | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | guess infra-core and QA | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | gcb, good point, ya, we should probably have a link to new owners (at least) | 16:43 |
| gcb | another one oslo.vesion was also retired , right | 16:44 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ya | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | thought we mentioned retired on it, guess not | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | another thing to update i suppose | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | gcb, u want to do those updates or shall i? | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | (either is fine with me) | 16:45 |
| gcb | ok, I will try to update the wiki :-) | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | k, let me know if u fail to :) | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | and i can try | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | tag-team to update the wiki, ha | 16:46 |
| gcb | sure | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | so if i'm going to make an oslo-irc-bot | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | that will be able to give info about periodic jobs | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | anything else people want in it? | 16:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | ability to +2 reviews excluded, lol | 16:47 |
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| gcb | Update about python3.5 support classifier , there are still two oslo libs to fix before declaring. | 16:48 |
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| gcb | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:py35+owner:%22ChangBo+Guo%28gcb%29+%253Ceric.guo%2540easystack.cn%253E%22 | 16:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | gcb, cool, which ones btw? | 16:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx | 16:48 |
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| harlowja_at_home | 'It seems eventlet doesn't work well on Python 3.5' | 16:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | :( | 16:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | durn | 16:49 |
| harlowja_at_home | eventlet, how i despise u, lol | 16:49 |
| * harlowja_at_home never did understand why openstack even needed it :( | 16:49 | |
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| gcb | will find more details when I have time | 16:50 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool, gcb i can see what i can gather also | 16:50 |
| harlowja_at_home | maybe known eventlet issues | 16:50 |
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| gcb | harlowja_at_home, thanks | 16:51 |
| harlowja_at_home | np | 16:51 |
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| harlowja_at_home | dims_, in your honor i might name the oslo bot 'dimsjr' | 16:51 |
| harlowja_at_home | or maybe thats to weird, hahaha | 16:51 |
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| harlowja_at_home | 'dimsjr' has noticed the periodic jobs are failing | 16:52 |
| rbradfor | it's a minidims | 16:52 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:52 |
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| rbradfor | oh, I could think of some poor political references to how to name the bot! | 16:52 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'll take any names u got | 16:53 |
| harlowja_at_home | minidims, dimsjr | 16:53 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:53 |
| rbradfor | but being an international project we should leave the US/UK/EU and Australia out of it. | 16:53 |
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| harlowja_at_home | we just have to make the names global, UN based? | 16:53 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ha, anyway, guess we can figure that out later :-P | 16:54 |
| dims_ | haha | 16:54 |
| harlowja_at_home | alright, bot names we can decide in #openstack-oslo (once i get some code together also, lol) | 16:54 |
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| harlowja_at_home | thanks all for coming :) | 16:55 |
| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 16:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 18 16:55:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-07-18-16.00.html | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-07-18-16.00.txt | 16:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-07-18-16.00.log.html | 16:55 |
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| mfedosin | Courtesy meeting reminder ( #openstack-meeting-alt ): ativelkov, mfedosin, docaedo, dshakhray, kairat, nikhil, sudipto, sskripnick | 17:29 |
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| mfedosin | docaedo: are you around? | 17:33 |
| kairat_ | o/ | 17:33 |
| mfedosin | hello kairat_ :) | 17:34 |
| * docaedo is on leave this week and mostly nowhere near networks :) | 17:34 | |
| mfedosin | docaedo: got you! have a nice rest :) | 17:35 |
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| * nikhil is lurking | 17:40 | |
| mfedosin | nikhil: hey! | 17:41 |
| * nikhil waits for next interop meeting | 17:41 | |
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| mfedosin | will it be here? | 17:41 |
| nikhil | no | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | ah, okay | 17:42 |
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| mfedosin | #startmeeting glare | 17:42 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 18 17:42:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mfedosin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:42 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glare)" | 17:42 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glare' | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-artifacts-sub-team-meeting-agenda | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | #topic Updates | 17:43 |
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| mfedosin | so, as you may know we uploaded glare's code on review | 17:43 |
| mfedosin | it's divided in small (relatively) commits and ready for your comments | 17:44 |
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| mfedosin | it's the top commit | 17:45 |
| mfedosin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343787/ | 17:45 |
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| mfedosin | nikhil: so, please leave your comments :) | 17:46 |
| mfedosin | also, because of docaedo is on leave we can postpone app-catalog related stuff till next week | 17:47 |
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| mfedosin | if there are mo more question we can finish for today | 17:48 |
| mfedosin | #endmeeting | 17:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:48 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 18 17:48:48 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-07-18-17.42.html | 17:48 |
| kairat_ | that's it | 17:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-07-18-17.42.txt | 17:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-07-18-17.42.log.html | 17:48 |
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| dbite | rluethi: julen Hello | 18:00 |
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| dbite | #startmeeting training-labs | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 18 18:01:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dbite. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_labs' | 18:01 |
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| dbite | roll call | 18:01 |
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| julen | hi dbite | 18:02 |
| dbite | julen: hi | 18:02 |
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| dbite | rluethi: hellop | 18:02 |
| julen | hi rluethi | 18:03 |
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| dbite | julen: May be he needs a few more minutes | 18:03 |
| dbite | julen: So what is the news with PXE feature | 18:03 |
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| dbite | #topic PXE | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PXE (Meeting topic: training-labs)" | 18:03 | |
| julen | well... I haven't done much, I just checked roger's patch | 18:04 |
| dbite | ok | 18:04 |
| dbite | anything interesting? | 18:05 |
| julen | which is quite good by the way... he fixed the pxecluster file | 18:05 |
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| julen | uff.. Roger just wrote saying he has issues with IRC | 18:06 |
| dbite | julen: sounds good. I havent yet seen any email from his side so I assume he has some technical issues | 18:06 |
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| dbite | anything else on this topic? | 18:08 |
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| julen | let's wait some minutes, maybe he can restart or something.. | 18:08 |
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| rluethi_ | ping? | 18:09 |
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| julen | not from my side.. I didn't have time to write anything | 18:09 |
| julen | hi rluethi! :) | 18:09 |
| dbite | rluethi_: pong | 18:09 |
| julen | rluethi_ | 18:09 |
| rluethi_ | hey, sorry, had to switch to the web client. | 18:09 |
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| dbite | rluethi_: no worries | 18:09 |
| rluethi_ | issues with my mac IRC client. | 18:09 |
| dbite | we are discussing the PXE feature | 18:09 |
| rluethi_ | reading up on it. | 18:09 |
| * dbite wants to keep todays meeting short. | 18:10 | |
| julen | I have one general suggestion... | 18:10 |
| dbite | shoot | 18:10 |
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| julen | it really does take a lot of time to build the whole thing, and a big share of that time waste is the fact that we are using the us repositories | 18:11 |
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| julen | we should put some "sed" in somewhere to remove the "us." part of the repository addresses, so that it takes the closest one to the current location | 18:12 |
| julen | or catch the locale from the local machine and use it somehow | 18:12 |
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| rluethi_ | julen: for regular builds it's not much of a problem, because it happens only once (basedisk build). | 18:13 |
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| rluethi_ | julen: for PXE build, it would make sense to have the required packages on pxeserver, then we only need to download them once. | 18:14 |
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| rluethi_ | but if you have a good way of picking the appropriate server, that would be very welcome :). | 18:14 |
| julen | rluethi_: sure.. or even copy them directly from the base disk | 18:14 |
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| julen | it is easy on the /etc/apt/sources.list, but I still don't know how to do it on the preseed | 18:15 |
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| dbite | julen: we should think about this after the current patch is merged | 18:15 |
| dbite | julen: We could think about catching the packages on the PXE server node. | 18:16 |
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| julen | yeah... I just wanted to put it on the "todo" list :) | 18:16 |
| rluethi_ | yes, it is an improvement, it is not required for the initial version. | 18:16 |
| rluethi_ | julen: yes, certainly a worthwhile improvement. | 18:17 |
| julen | I'll try to figure out how to do it on the preseed | 18:17 |
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| julen | in any case.. back to the topic... | 18:18 |
| rluethi_ | julen: maybe you can append to the boot command like I did for fixing the PXE server. | 18:18 |
| julen | rluethi_: great job! | 18:18 |
| rluethi_ | julen: thx | 18:18 |
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| rluethi_ | next topic? | 18:19 |
| julen | so, what is still missing? | 18:19 |
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| rluethi_ | for pxe booting? | 18:19 |
| julen | attaching the machine back to the OS scripts, right? | 18:20 |
| julen | yes | 18:20 |
| rluethi_ | it should be all working. for VMs, anyway. | 18:20 |
| rluethi_ | baremetal will need some additional changes. | 18:20 |
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| julen | oh! no.. that's also done! :) | 18:20 |
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| rluethi_ | julen: have you tested it with baremetal? | 18:21 |
| julen | rluethi_: well... I am a little restricted with hardware, but I can try it with "virtual" baremetal... | 18:22 |
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| rluethi_ | julen: I will need to test with real hardware. there are some things that you can't emulate. | 18:22 |
| julen | initially the machines should be started by hand anyway, until we write some WOL part or something | 18:23 |
| julen | rluethi_: for example? | 18:23 |
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| dbite | julen: rluethi_ lets discuss this on ML rather than here. | 18:24 |
| rluethi_ | julen: MTU comes to mind. But the point is more that you don't know until you tried. There's always something you didn't consider. | 18:24 |
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| rluethi_ | dbite: right. next up? | 18:24 |
| dbite | #topic Parser | 18:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Parser (Meeting topic: training-labs)" | 18:25 | |
| dbite | I did not get enough quality time for finishing the parser | 18:25 |
| dbite | most of my time went in adding the custom code to RST | 18:25 |
| dbite | you guys should get an email when I finish the initial bits very soon | 18:25 |
| julen | looking forward to testing it ;) | 18:26 |
| rluethi_ | same here. | 18:26 |
| * dbite Is working very hard :) | 18:26 | |
| dbite | #topic python port | 18:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "python port (Meeting topic: training-labs)" | 18:26 | |
| dbite | rluethi_: Pushed his VirtualBox code on github | 18:27 |
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| dbite | I am again trying to make sense of how to get things together but I am not stuck :) | 18:27 |
| dbite | rluethi_: When do you wish to see the python port in action? | 18:27 |
| rluethi_ | dbite: I am working on adding PXE functionality to the Python port. | 18:27 |
| rluethi_ | dbite: what do you mean? | 18:28 |
| rluethi_ | I see it in action every time I test it. | 18:28 |
| dbite | rluethi_: I was thinking that we should be releasing Newton very soon (1.5 months~( | 18:28 |
| dbite | so we should aim to get the python version running before we work on the O release | 18:28 |
| rluethi_ | dbite: I'll do my best to get it into a mergeable state. | 18:28 |
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| rluethi_ | dbite: we need to port the scripts to newton as well. | 18:29 |
| julen | and, is it so, that the official Newtone release will be just in python, or we still keep the bash one too? | 18:29 |
| dbite | rluethi_: Ill take that over | 18:29 |
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| dbite | julen: Do you want to contribute to Newton port too? | 18:29 |
| rluethi_ | dbite: <nod> makes sense. | 18:29 |
| julen | sure.. if I can somehow... | 18:30 |
| julen | I can always test... | 18:30 |
| rluethi_ | julen: I want to drop the bash version as soon as possible, maintaining two code bases is consuming too much of our resources. | 18:30 |
| dbite | rluethi_: I have planned some time for the Netwon port. This time though I want to get alternative method as compared to one single big patch | 18:30 |
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| dbite | #topic Netwon Port | 18:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Netwon Port (Meeting topic: training-labs)" | 18:31 | |
| dbite | julen: I will give you some more details soon, free this weekend? | 18:31 |
| julen | is it just about reading the docs and updating the scripts? | 18:31 |
| dbite | julen: Almost but making it work reilably takes a lot more effort | 18:31 |
| julen | hmm... not fully, but we can arrange something | 18:31 |
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| dbite | rluethi_: does it make sense to release Newton first? Also I guess I will have to additionally work on install-guides again. | 18:32 |
| dbite | Then immediately get the python port out. | 18:32 |
| dbite | rluethi_: I plan to get the playground for the python port in asap. | 18:32 |
| rluethi_ | dbite: Newton first, before what? Python port? | 18:32 |
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| julen | is it so, that the bash scripts are 100% compatible with the python port? | 18:32 |
| dbite | Yes before python port. | 18:32 |
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| dbite | julen: We start with eliminating the host side script first | 18:33 |
| rluethi_ | julen: the same scripts on the client side. | 18:33 |
| dbite | julen: So they should definitely be 100% compatible. | 18:33 |
| julen | good | 18:33 |
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| rluethi_ | dbite: the order shouldn't matter, because they should be independent of each other. | 18:34 |
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| dbite | rluethi_: I think its important for our sanity IMHO | 18:34 |
| rluethi_ | (unless Newton requires architectural changes like Mitaka did) | 18:34 |
| dbite | rluethi_: May be but let me check. Also I have some plans to do the porting in a way that I could kind of learn upgrading the OpenStack version specifics | 18:35 |
| dbite | by doing it hands on | 18:35 |
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| dbite | rluethi_: This should allow us to add this feature later this year or early next year. Should be a cool challenge to take over. | 18:35 |
| julen | dbite: live upgrade? | 18:36 |
| dbite | julen: Not exactly | 18:36 |
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| julen | well... "cold" upgrade... | 18:36 |
| dbite | julen: But we could try live upgrade, I definitely do not have time for live upgrade for the next 8 months. | 18:36 |
| julen | ask Dirk ;) | 18:37 |
| julen | (because of the rule_the_stack... ) | 18:37 |
| julen | well.. but first things first: priority list for me? | 18:38 |
| dbite | julen: Lets sync up this weekend for the same | 18:38 |
| dbite | lets move on | 18:38 |
| dbite | #topic release_cycle | 18:38 |
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| julen | dbite: ok | 18:38 |
| dbite | Last time we decided to have one major release and one optional minor release. | 18:39 |
| dbite | rluethi_: Do you also want to keep some milestones for the same? | 18:39 |
| rluethi_ | I don't really know what this means in the context of this project. That might be something that needs some discussion. | 18:40 |
| rluethi_ | Maybe just go with whatever is easy and discuss the rest in Barcelona. | 18:40 |
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| dbite | rluethi_: Alright, I think I got what I understand right now. We just stick to one major release and one mile stone if required between the major releases. | 18:40 |
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| rluethi_ | dbite: please cc us in those discussions when possible so we have a chance to learn what you are learning. | 18:41 |
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| dbite | rluethi_: Dont worry about it, I will do the required work for the same with dhellmann, I think I remember what we discussed last time but I forgot to push the governance patch. I will push it soon, worst case tomorrow morning | 18:41 |
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| dbite | rluethi_: yes, the other chat was on IRC so it was probably not possible to share it :) | 18:42 |
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| rluethi_ | dbite: fair enough. | 18:42 |
| dbite | #topic any other beezneez? | 18:43 |
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| rluethi_ | reviews. | 18:43 |
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| rluethi_ | did anyone get a chance to look at the two patches I posted Saturday? | 18:44 |
| dbite | rluethi_: Sitting right after the meeting. I will finish them reviews ;D | 18:44 |
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| julen | yes, I already voted... | 18:44 |
| rluethi_ | julen: my apologies, I just noticed that you did. | 18:44 |
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| rluethi_ | julen: thank you. | 18:44 |
| dbite | ok, so all set, anything else? | 18:45 |
| rluethi_ | julen: have you been able to test them, or did you just read the code? | 18:45 |
| rluethi_ | I am asking because the proxy patch does need more testing. I built a test setup, but I would like somebody else to confirm that it works. | 18:46 |
| julen | rluethi_: copy pasted the code | 18:46 |
| dbite | rluethi_: I will test it. | 18:47 |
| dbite | So guys, lets finish this meeting for today. We could additionally continue our discussion over IRC | 18:47 |
| rluethi_ | I set up a test machine and killed its default routes. | 18:47 |
| rluethi_ | It had to go through a squid server, only way out. | 18:48 |
| rluethi_ | I hope. | 18:48 |
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| rluethi_ | Okay, let's end this then. | 18:48 |
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| dbite | bye guys | 18:49 |
| dbite | #endmeeting | 18:49 |
| rluethi_ | bye | 18:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 18 18:49:35 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-07-18-18.01.html | 18:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-07-18-18.01.txt | 18:49 |
| julen | bye | 18:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-07-18-18.01.log.html | 18:49 |
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| Guest40341 | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 18 20:00:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Guest40341. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| Guest40341 | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 18 20:00:34 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-07-18-20.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-07-18-20.00.txt | 20:00 |
| Guest40341 | crap, let me fix nick | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-07-18-20.00.log.html | 20:00 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 18 20:01:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:01 | |
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| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:01 | |
| redrobot | As usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | Welcome to Barbicanland! (pop. 1) | 20:03 |
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| arunkant | o/ | 20:04 |
| redrobot | hi arunkant ! | 20:04 |
| redrobot | arunkant we're the only ones here | 20:04 |
| redrobot | arunkant not sure if there's any topics to discuss | 20:04 |
| arunkant | oh really.. | 20:04 |
| redrobot | yeah, I almost called it quits before you showed up | 20:04 |
| arunkant | redrobot: I just want to get some attention on multiple backend reviews: I have spec and API reviews out there | 20:05 |
| arunkant | redrobot: can you look into them when you have some time.. | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | arunkant ack. I'm working on fixing some stuff in my filter CR, but I think I'll have some time to review when I'm finished... thinking maybe tomorrow afternoon. | 20:06 |
| dave-mcc_ | o/ | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | hi dave-mcc_ ! | 20:06 |
| dave-mcc_ | hi redrobot | 20:07 |
| arunkant | redrobot: Okay..thanks...will be good to have some comments on API spec as I am implementing based on that.. | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | arunkant I still don't think the magament API is worth implementing | 20:07 |
| redrobot | arunkant it would be much easier to just have a config file option | 20:07 |
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| arunkant | redrobot: Okay..I will just have option to read global-default (I have same in API spec)..and can read it based on config value | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | arunkant I think the added complexity of the management API is not worth the benefits... I think you'll find that the global default won't change much. | 20:09 |
| redrobot | arunkant I'm thinking you'll probably end up deploying new code more often than that config change | 20:09 |
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| arunkant | redrobot: agreed and that's why I don't have POST for global default (will change from global-preferred to global-default) ..http://docs-draft.openstack.org/03/341803/1/check/gate-barbican-docs/c94c5f4//doc/build/html/api/reference/store_backends.html#get-v1-secret-stores-global-preferred | 20:10 |
| redrobot | arunkant cool beans | 20:10 |
| redrobot | dave-mcc_ do you have any topics to talk about | 20:11 |
| redrobot | dave-mcc_ ? | 20:11 |
| redrobot | dave-mcc_ I think you and arunkant are the only ones here | 20:11 |
| dave-mcc_ | nope. i just had some extra time this week and wanted to connect. | 20:11 |
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| redrobot | dave-mcc_ cool! It's good to e-see you again. :) How are things in Kolla land? | 20:12 |
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| dave-mcc_ | pretty good. i might try to add barbican to kolla. it could be a good dev tool, if nothing else. | 20:12 |
| dave-mcc_ | i'd like to do it this cycle. | 20:13 |
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| diazjf | o/ | 20:13 |
| redrobot | hi diazjf ! | 20:14 |
| diazjf | redrobot, hola! | 20:14 |
| redrobot | diazjf any topics to talk about this week? | 20:14 |
| redrobot | diazjf did you get a chance to email the ML? | 20:14 |
| diazjf | I've got nothing so far :( . 1 question before I send it out, should it go in general or in dev. | 20:15 |
| redrobot | diazjf probably openstack-dev since it's a dev-centric event | 20:15 |
| redrobot | diazjf also, thanks for submitting the talks! | 20:15 |
| diazjf | redrobot cool thanks. No worries :) Hopefully we will get at least 1 in | 20:16 |
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| redrobot | awesome, well if there's no other topics we can all go back to our regularly scheduled programming | 20:18 |
| redrobot | (pun intended ;) | 20:18 |
| redrobot | dave-mcc_ I started looking into Kolla to try and do the same... would be cool to collaborate on that if you make it out to the mid-cycle | 20:19 |
| redrobot | oh one more thing | 20:19 |
| redrobot | diazjf any chance I can get you to cover this meeting next week? | 20:20 |
| diazjf | redrobot, sure! | 20:20 |
| redrobot | I'm going on vacation to Alaska in a couple of days. :D | 20:20 |
| redrobot | diazjf awesome! thanks! | 20:20 |
| diazjf | redrobot, sounds amazing!! | 20:20 |
| redrobot | #info diazjf will be meeting chair next week (July 25th) | 20:20 |
| redrobot | diazjf yup, temperatures are about right to get away from this heat! | 20:21 |
| diazjf | redrobot, 100 all week here in Austin | 20:21 |
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| redrobot | diazjf nuts! | 20:22 |
| redrobot | alrighty y'all, thanks for coming! | 20:22 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:22 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 18 20:22:38 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-07-18-20.01.html | 20:22 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-07-18-20.01.txt | 20:22 |
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| nsun1 | HI | 20:45 |
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| carolbarrett | #startmeeting product working group | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 18 21:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carolbarrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:00 |
| carolbarrett | Hi - Who's here for the Product WG meeting? | 21:00 |
| KrishR | o/ | 21:00 |
| cloudrancher | Hi | 21:00 |
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| Soyeh_McCarthy | Hello | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett | You can find the agenda here | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett | Let's start with Midcycle | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Midcycle Planning | 21:02 |
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| carolbarrett | Does everyone who needs it, have the info on the Ops Midcycle? | 21:03 |
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| pchadwick | hi there | 21:03 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes | 21:03 |
| carolbarrett | Hi pete | 21:03 |
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| KrishR | carolbarrett: can you post the link | 21:03 |
| shamail | hi everyone | 21:03 |
| Soyeh_McCarthy | Carol, Is that the email that you sent? | 21:03 |
| carolbarrett | Soyeh_McCarthy: yes | 21:04 |
| Soyeh_McCarthy | on Friday? | 21:04 |
| carolbarrett | Krishr: here it is | 21:04 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://opsmidcyclenyc2016.eventbrite.com | 21:04 |
| KrishR | carolbarrett: i don't see any agenda at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NYC-ops-meetup | 21:04 |
| carolbarrett | I haven't see a call for topics. Has anyone else? | 21:05 |
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| carolbarrett | I'll reach out to TomF to see what the plan is | 21:06 |
| carolbarrett | #action Carol Reachout to TomF to understand how call for sessions will work at the Ops Midcycle | 21:06 |
| carolbarrett | As for our midcycle, the planning etherpad is here | 21:07 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Newton_Midcycle_Planning | 21:07 |
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| carolbarrett | we'll have 1 day, would like feedback on agenda listed starting at line 23 | 21:07 |
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| carolbarrett | Is everyone listed under attendees starting on line 7 planning on attending? | 21:09 |
| KrishR | I'm still tentative | 21:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I thought that already ranked topics that are at the bottom lines 92-101 | 21:10 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | me too. | 21:10 |
| Soyeh_McCarthy | I'm still tentative. I will know next week | 21:10 |
| pchadwick | I plan to be there, but probably can't stay for the ops meetup. | 21:10 |
| carolbarrett | Arkady_kanevsky: Yes, that was the brainstorm and now we're finalizing the agenda based upon a 1 day midcycle instead of 2 day | 21:10 |
| carolbarrett | comments on the agenda on lines 23 - 30? | 21:11 |
| pchadwick | I think we need to focus on items that *really* benefit from face-to-face discussion. | 21:11 |
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| shamail | pchadwick: +1 | 21:11 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:11 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OpenStack Strategy (this is following up from the Austin summit presentation where we suggested the PWG could be an advisor on "strategy") - still #1 one in my view | 21:12 |
| carolbarrett | Interesting - so folks will stay for our midcycle and through OpenStack East, then go? | 21:12 |
| shamail | I think workflow, top user stories, openstack strategy were the top 3 | 21:12 |
| pchadwick | +1 | 21:12 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: I plan to stay through the ops-meetup | 21:12 |
| pchadwick | I don't think anything on the list is higher than those. | 21:12 |
| carolbarrett | Arkady_kanevsky: It's in the 3 agenda items listed | 21:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | user story pilot we should be able to do on email and then just finalize at mid-cycle | 21:13 |
| carolbarrett | pchadwick: What are those? What is missing or un-needed on the agenda? | 21:13 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | <carolbarrett> correct | 21:13 |
| carolbarrett | The 3 proposed topics are: Review Status of Top 5 User Story, Review User Story wokflow, OpenStack Strategy | 21:13 |
| shamail | Sounds like a full day to me! | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | that is 6 hours based on our estimates | 21:14 |
| pchadwick | carolbarrett: Sorry - the three listed at lines 28-30 are all more important than anything starting at line 110 | 21:14 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Suggest we do others via email. | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | <pchadwick> +1 | 21:14 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: 6 hours + time for wrap up + breaks | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | correct | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | We can start early and finihs at 6:00 | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | that will give us extra hour. | 21:15 |
| carolbarrett | I think it will be a full day too - if we cover those sooner than expected, do we want to have a topic we would use the cycles for? | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I am partial to Criteria for Prioritization | 21:16 |
| carolbarrett | ok - other thoughts? | 21:16 |
| pchadwick | arkady_kanevsky: +1 | 21:16 |
| shamail | Prioritization is a good one | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | By I sugggest we have owner for each others and let him/her start email threat on it. | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | So we can finalize results at the mid-cycle | 21:16 |
| carolbarrett | Arkady_Kanvesky: I like the way you think! | 21:17 |
| shamail | I don’t think we need roadmap/themes to be covered since we’ve gotten pretty good at coordinating that stuff over phone | 21:17 |
| carolbarrett | Do we have volunteers to own the agenda item and bring other folks in, as needed, ahead of the midcycle? | 21:17 |
| carolbarrett | shamail +1 | 21:17 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I will volunteer for Criteria for Prioritization | 21:17 |
| shamail | I can do workflow | 21:17 |
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| carolbarrett | Shamail: Thanks | 21:18 |
| carolbarrett | Arkady_Kanevsky: Thanks | 21:18 |
| carolbarrett | who wants to lead OpenStack Strategy? | 21:19 |
| carolbarrett | Kencjohnston: Are you on? | 21:19 |
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| shamail | hah, I was thinking of him too | 21:19 |
| carolbarrett | LOL | 21:19 |
| carolbarrett | I'll add him as tentative | 21:19 |
| shamail | +1 | 21:19 |
| KrishR | +1 | 21:19 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | that will teach him to miss a meeting | 21:20 |
| carolbarrett | We can ask the User story Owners to prepare their updates. I think what we want them to cover is status, stakeholders involved, next steps and issues/help needed...? | 21:20 |
| shamail | Sounds good | 21:20 |
| pchadwick | Sounds good | 21:20 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:20 |
| shamail | jinx. | 21:20 |
| pchadwick | ;-) | 21:21 |
| carolbarrett | #action Carol confirm with kencjonston he will lead OpenStack Strategy discussion at midcycle | 21:21 |
| carolbarrett | Great - think we've got a plan. | 21:21 |
| carolbarrett | Arkady_kanevsky, Shamail,kencjohnston: If you want time in a team meeting ahead of the midcycle pls let me know. | 21:21 |
| shamail | Thanks | 21:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | will do | 21:21 |
| carolbarrett | Any other comments before we move on? | 21:22 |
| carolbarrett | #topic CPL Updates | 21:22 |
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| carolbarrett | pchadwick & arkady_kanevsky volunteered to give updates today. Who wants to go first? | 21:22 |
| pchadwick | Me first? | 21:22 |
| pchadwick | Can you all go to:https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7b_BEGDRsIcMjVZZnZSMG4ydHc | 21:22 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks pchadwick | 21:23 |
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| carolbarrett | #link https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7b_BEGDRsIcMjVZZnZSMG4ydHc/view | 21:23 |
| pchadwick | This should be pretty self explanatory - | 21:23 |
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| pchadwick | Manila enables access to data from VMs using standard file sharing protocols. | 21:24 |
| pchadwick | Think of it as Cinder for files instead of blocks. | 21:24 |
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| pchadwick | Hmm - slide look screwed up. | 21:25 |
| pchadwick | the key areas of focus for Newton were share replication for disaster recovery | 21:25 |
| cloudrancher | look ok to me | 21:25 |
| carolbarrett | Can you say a few more words about Hierarchical port binding? What type of segmentation? | 21:25 |
| carolbarrett | slides look ok to me too | 21:25 |
| pchadwick | cloudrancher: Slide 3 is a duplicate of Slide 2 - not supposed to be | 21:25 |
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| pchadwick | I can say a bit - currently the protocols that Manila uses don't work well with VLAN. | 21:26 |
| pchadwick | In other words, you can't put a file share on a VLAN - hierarchical port binding should enable that. | 21:27 |
| carolbarrett | got it | 21:27 |
| carolbarrett | On the Ocata HA focus, should we collaboration on that with our User story and other resources? | 21:27 |
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| pchadwick | Yes - I think the Manila team is looking a Tooz which is what Cinder is planning to use | 21:28 |
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| pchadwick | I need to figure out how that compares (+/-) with pacemaker/corosync approach. | 21:28 |
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| pchadwick | The other key part is getting the project integrated better for testing, etc. | 21:29 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | what about using the same storage for both manila and cinder? | 21:29 |
| pchadwick | I have seen a reasonable amount of interest in Manila from customers and this will pick up even more with CephFS integration. | 21:29 |
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| pchadwick | arkady_kanevsky: I think that is doable, but it depends on the backend. | 21:30 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | of course. Say Ceph, Glance, NFS, ... | 21:30 |
| pchadwick | There are even permutations like running Manila on top of Cinder, | 21:30 |
| pchadwick | which could be running on top of Ceph via RBD. ;) | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | sure | 21:30 |
| pchadwick | I think that most array vendors either will have or already have different drivers for the three access modes. | 21:31 |
| pchadwick | Certainly, that is true of Ceph. | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes | 21:31 |
| pchadwick | RBD vs Rados vs Ceph FS | 21:31 |
| carolbarrett | Are there any actions we want to capture around this discussion? | 21:32 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | It would be ineteresting what would happen as they all report available capacity, etc. | 21:32 |
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| pchadwick | Yes - our Ceph team is planning to start testing that over the next few months. | 21:32 |
| carolbarrett | arkday_kanevsky: it seems like we would want to make sure they respond with similar numbers | 21:32 |
| carolbarrett | pchadwick: that will provide good info | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes. I think we need to keep track of it and bring to cross functional team if we see issues | 21:33 |
| pchadwick | +1 | 21:33 |
| pchadwick | Any other questions? | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | non frm me | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | refstack is https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1JVmJ4KMhv7z5BfA-5z6Rt9YIx-z20HS3Ws6bJMH9HBU | 21:33 |
| * pchadwick goes to fix slide | 21:34 | |
| carolbarrett | pchadwick - when would be a good time for the next update | 21:34 |
| carolbarrett | #action pchadwick fix manila slides | 21:34 |
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| pchadwick | carolbarrett: not sure that there will be much change ahead of Barcelona | 21:34 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | ready when you are | 21:34 |
| carolbarrett | #action carol schedule pchadwick in this team for another update in the beginning of Sept | 21:35 |
| carolbarrett | OK | 21:35 |
| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky - pls take it away | 21:35 |
| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky - pls take it away | 21:35 |
| pchadwick | Arkady_kanevsky: Google telling me I don't have permission | 21:35 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1JVmJ4KMhv7z5BfA-5z6Rt9YIx-z20HS3Ws6bJMH9HBU | 21:35 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | The slides are based on interview of Catherine and she reviewed and approved slides afterwords | 21:35 |
| carolbarrett | I can open them OK | 21:36 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | give me your google name | 21:36 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:36 | |
| pchadwick | chadwick.pete@gmail.com | 21:36 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | added | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | will figure out how to open for all | 21:37 |
| pchadwick | got it thanks | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Ferstack is toolset for interop. | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Collects test results and created manage DB for it. | 21:38 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Used by devcore for LOGO program | 21:38 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | any comments? | 21:38 |
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| pchadwick | I assume that the other PTLs know this, but in case they don't how do they submit tests for this? | 21:39 |
| KrishR | Arkady_kanevsky: can you add krishnan.raghuram@intel.com? | 21:39 |
| carolbarrett | How are resources for the project | 21:39 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Team has big ask to collect more results from users and vendors so they can hvae more dtata to be used for definoing LOGO tests | 21:39 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | KrishR - done | 21:40 |
| KrishR | thx! | 21:41 |
| pchadwick | Hmm - not sure I'm a big fan of extending DefCore | 21:41 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | last bullet on slide6 is my user story https://review.openstack.org/300057 | 21:41 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I can use a couple of core reviewers comments on it | 21:42 |
| carolbarrett | Will look at it | 21:42 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thank you. | 21:42 |
| KrishR | carolbarrett: i can review Telemetry if time permits | 21:42 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Where do we story pointers to these presentation? | 21:42 |
| carolbarrett | Krishr: Can I put you on the agenda for next week? | 21:43 |
| KrishR | ok | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I will miss next week - family in town | 21:43 |
| carolbarrett | arkday_kanevsky: we capture them vi the meetbot #link command | 21:43 |
| KrishR | # link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Telemetry_CPL_Update | 21:44 |
| KrishR | if people want to see it offline | 21:44 |
| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky: thanks for the heads-up | 21:44 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Telemetry_CPL_Update | 21:44 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks KRishR | 21:44 |
| pchadwick | i will likely miss next week due to team meetings. | 21:44 |
| carolbarrett | Ok - thanks Arkady_Kanevsky and Pchadwick - any final questions for them? | 21:44 |
| carolbarrett | #topic OPNFV Update | 21:45 |
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| carolbarrett | Shamail: Do you want to cover this one? | 21:45 |
| shamail | Can you please do it? Ill add | 21:46 |
| shamail | sory multitasking | 21:46 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | KrishR are oyu going to convert it into presentation that we can use for thge summit? | 21:46 |
| carolbarrett | OK | 21:46 |
| shamail | Thanks | 21:46 |
| carolbarrett | Shamail and I had a call with Heather Kirksey - the Executive Director for OPNFV | 21:47 |
| carolbarrett | This was a follow-up for our initial discussion in Austin and their Summit in Berlin | 21:47 |
| carolbarrett | The focus of these discussions is how to integrate/align requirements gathering/execution across the 2 organizations | 21:47 |
| carolbarrett | Heather told us that OPNFV is starting a work group similar to ours, called PolStar. | 21:48 |
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| carolbarrett | When the vision/charter around teh WG is formed, Heather will forward the info to us. | 21:49 |
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| carolbarrett | We were thinking it would make sense for 1 or 2 of us to join that team to see what we can learn about what we're doing as well as how we can work together. | 21:50 |
| carolbarrett | Expect to see that info in the next week or 2. | 21:50 |
| carolbarrett | Shamail: Anything to add? | 21:50 |
| pchadwick | OK - it would likely be Ron Nunan from SUSE as he is working on OPNFV for us. | 21:50 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | any user stories from them? | 21:50 |
| shamail | No, that’s about it. The PWG workflow was presented at the summit in Berlin but no immediate questions were raised. | 21:51 |
| carolbarrett | pchadwick: that would be good to have him be eyes and ears for us | 21:51 |
| shamail | Not yet Arkady_Kanevsky, we are hoping to work with the PolStar team on those. | 21:51 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:51 |
| carolbarrett | pchadwick: can you pass this info along to Ron? | 21:51 |
| pchadwick | carolbarrett: absolutely | 21:51 |
| carolbarrett | arkday_kanevsky: I haven't see anything from them yet. I know they are working blueprints and implementation within projects | 21:52 |
| carolbarrett | #action pchadwick to talk with Ron Nunan about the startup of PolStar in OPNFV | 21:52 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | concern that they are circumventing user story process and driving projects directly... | 21:52 |
| carolbarrett | Any questions? | 21:52 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | nope | 21:53 |
| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky: I think many of their requirements are local to neutron and/or nova.... | 21:53 |
| carolbarrett | Ok - last topic for today - opens | 21:53 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Opens | 21:53 |
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| carolbarrett | anyone have info to share or questions to ask? | 21:54 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | that is fine. But once they become cross projects there are issues | 21:54 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | We have 5 open user stories. | 21:54 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Lets' try to close all of them for barcelona. | 21:54 |
| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky +1 | 21:55 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Have we document where to generate gap analysis and what is the format for that? | 21:55 |
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| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: I did add a new section to the wiki to explain implementation plan and gap analysis more | 21:55 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Thanks. | 21:56 |
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| carolbarrett | shamail: good stuff - thanks | 21:56 |
| shamail | In general, there isn’t a pre-defined format as it will be up to the teams to use whatever format makes it easiest for them | 21:56 |
| shamail | Adding link.. | 21:56 |
| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky: If you need more info, pls send Qs on mail list | 21:56 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK | 21:56 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories#Gap_and_Overlap_Analysis | 21:56 |
| carolbarrett | Anything else? | 21:57 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Shamail for gap analysis do we have a template, simsilar to user story to fill for it? | 21:57 |
| carolbarrett | ok folks, that's all for today. Have a great week! | 21:57 |
| shamail | We don’t | 21:58 |
| shamail | Its up to the user story team | 21:58 |
| pchadwick | ciao | 21:58 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Do we submit gap analysis as user story, blueprint or some other define entity? | 21:58 |
| KrishR | bye | 21:58 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I will take it offline | 21:58 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Have a good day | 21:58 |
| carolbarrett | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 18 21:58:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-07-18-21.00.html | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-07-18-21.00.txt | 21:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-07-18-21.00.log.html | 21:58 |
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