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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 8 14:00:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Who's here today? | 14:00 |
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| alex_xu | o/ | 14:00 |
| Yingxin | o/ | 14:00 |
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| cdent | o/ | 14:01 |
| jaypipes | o......./ | 14:01 |
| * edleafe watches people slowly trickle in... | 14:02 | |
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| edleafe | I was running around like crazy at the end of the past week, so I didn't get an agenda created | 14:02 |
| edleafe | No one else seemed to add anything, either | 14:03 |
| edleafe | So let's just wing it... | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:03 | |
| edleafe | Anyone want to call attention to any specs? | 14:03 |
| edleafe | I know it's late in the cycle... | 14:03 |
| jaypipes | yes | 14:03 |
| jaypipes | sec | 14:03 |
| jaypipes | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338618/ | 14:04 |
| jaypipes | amendment to gen-res-pools for the REST API of allocation records | 14:04 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338618/ | 14:04 |
| jaypipes | got +2 from mriedem but needs approval :) | 14:04 |
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| Yingxin | edleafe: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351063 | 14:04 |
| jaypipes | Yingxin: ooh, nice :) | 14:05 |
| Yingxin | its about the capability requests in nova | 14:05 |
| jaypipes | for ocata though of course... | 14:05 |
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| edleafe | yes, that should be ocata | 14:05 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351063 | 14:05 |
| alex_xu | Yingxin: cool | 14:05 |
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| Yingxin | jaypipes: alex_xu: thanks | 14:06 |
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| edleafe | Any other specs needing review? | 14:07 |
| Yingxin | reviews welcomed :) | 14:07 |
| edleafe | ok, let's move on | 14:07 |
| edleafe | #topic Reviews | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:07 | |
| edleafe | Anyone want to focus on a code review? | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: I'm going to focus on code reviews this afternoon. if anyone cares to review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:rt-unit-tests that would be great. | 14:09 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: righty-o | 14:09 |
| cdent | that's in my today queue jaypipes | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | danke | 14:09 |
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| edleafe | Anything else? | 14:10 |
| * alex_xu only left one hour for today | 14:10 | |
| edleafe | (could be a quick meeting today!) | 14:10 |
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| cdent | this could do with some eyes: https://review.openstack.org/349021 | 14:11 |
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| cdent | that's the special database handling for the placement api | 14:11 |
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| edleafe | Hooray for multiple databases!!! | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | cdent: on it. | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: we were going to name the new db figleaf. | 14:12 |
| cdent | and this ought to be an easy approve: https://review.openstack.org/352047 (typo fix on models used by resource provider objects) | 14:12 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: awwww! | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | :) | 14:12 |
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| edleafe | #action Everyone to review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:rt-unit-tests | 14:13 |
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| edleafe | #action Eyeballs on https://review.openstack.org/349021 | 14:13 |
| edleafe | #action Let's knock out https://review.openstack.org/352047 quickly | 14:14 |
| edleafe | Any others? | 14:14 |
| cdent | ossum | 14:14 |
| edleafe | #topic Opens | 14:14 |
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| edleafe | Nothing on the agenda, so speak up if you have something | 14:14 |
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| * edleafe hears nothing but crickets | 14:15 | |
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| * cdent plays his tiny violin | 14:16 | |
| edleafe | OK, everyone to work/sleep! | 14:16 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:16 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 8 14:16:16 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-08-08-14.00.html | 14:16 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-08-08-14.00.txt | 14:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-08-08-14.00.log.html | 14:16 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 8 15:01:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:01 |
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| electrocucaracha | o/ | 15:01 |
| rossella_s | hi | 15:01 |
| jlibosva | \o | 15:01 |
| korzen | hello | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | hello my friends! it's good to see you. | 15:01 |
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| korzen | good to see you too :) | 15:02 |
| rossella_s | it's good to see you | 15:02 |
| asingh | Hello | 15:02 |
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| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam Agenda | 15:02 |
| * ihrachys looks at bare agenda and thinks I should populate it with some info not to forget everything that we happen to track. | 15:02 | |
| sayalilunkad | hello | 15:02 |
| ankur-gupta-f | o/ | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to update agenda with some major topics we cover | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | I have two things: one is N3 is coming, some time at the end of August. The more things we close now the better. | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | and second thing, there is a midcycle next week, and we should have some extensive discussions there on upgrades, specifically objects strategy. | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | there will probably be a short 'seminar' that armax wants to be delivered on objects, to spread the word to other contributors. | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | they say it's learning curve is steep on objects, so we should try to preach the gospel :) | 15:05 |
| ankur-gupta-f | :) | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | the etherpad for the event captures some upgrades topic: | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-midcycle-workitems | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | line 27+ | 15:06 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: you go to the event right? me too. anyone else? | 15:06 |
| korzen | yeap | 15:06 |
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| korzen | electrocucaracha, is going | 15:07 |
| dasm | electrocucaracha: and me are also going. | 15:07 |
| jlibosva | I'll be also there | 15:07 |
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| ihrachys | good representation it seems | 15:07 |
| korzen | ihrachys, anything to prepare for the upgrades discussion? | 15:07 |
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| korzen | stories, code examples? pop-corn? | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | we'll update the team on how it went. if you have anything missing in the agenda that you think should be covered there too, please tell us so that we have a chance to raise your flag. | 15:08 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: this week I should talk to armax on particularities. after that I will know more. generally, the more specific stuff we bring the better. patches, plans, proposals | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | there should be time for general discussions on direction as well as code reviews/hacking | 15:09 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | grenade jobs are currently busted, but hopefully not our fault :) | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | on serious note, for linuxbridge we still wait for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345707/ and friends to land. | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | that should get us closer to solving mtu issues in linuxbridge gate. | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | it may take a while for that to land since the trust we had before was broken by a gate breakage from the previous attempt... ;) | 15:12 |
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| ihrachys | sc68cal even said once neutron-legacy should not be touched much, but then I see +2 from him on the patch, so probably we are good :) | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | some neutron grenade jobs were added to devstack experimental queue: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351450/ | 15:13 |
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| sc68cal | I only do it when absolutely required. | 15:13 |
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| ihrachys | so in case we need to validate a devstack fix we don't need to build a whole depends-on scaffolding | 15:13 |
| sc68cal | ihrachys: are you saying I should change my +2 ? ;) | 15:13 |
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| ihrachys | sc68cal: may I revoke my comment? :D | 15:13 |
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| sc68cal | :) | 15:14 |
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| ihrachys | so all in all, not much progress on that front, but we have a plan. moving on. | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:14 |
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| ihrachys | ...that section should be split... | 15:15 |
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| ihrachys | ok, first thing first. push-notifications feature by kevinbenton depends on us delivering three core objects so that rpc callbacks can be used for those new messages | 15:15 |
| electrocucaracha | we have more people who wants to participate on this | 15:15 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: cool, I think models refactoring is a good start? but let's touch it a tad later. | 15:16 |
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| ihrachys | three objects to deliver are: ports, networks, subnets. | 15:16 |
| korzen | ihrachys, subnets should be ready | 15:16 |
| korzen | like now in master | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | note that kevinbenton really needs objects, not necessarily them adopted in db code. | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | right | 15:16 |
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| ihrachys | subnets are good as korzen said! so that's one. | 15:16 |
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| ihrachys | for ports, I spinned out a separate patch that includes just the object: | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351368/ | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | that one does not contain all needed extensions, but I am close | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | one of extensions are secgroups | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351101/ | 15:17 |
| manjeets_ | test | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | ^ again, spinned off the previous patch | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: passed :) | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | there is some work on the ports object patch, but reviews are welcome, I plan to tackle remaining bits tomorrow. | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | and then, the last one is network. | 15:18 |
| manjeets_ | how important is external network ? | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | I see a WIP: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269658/ for networks | 15:18 |
| korzen | network is kind of WIP: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269658/ | 15:19 |
| manjeets_ | i refactored it and today was going to work for object conversion of external network | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: not P1, routers are not in focus right now. | 15:19 |
| korzen | I can continue working for network this week | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: I think the more viable thing to work on right now is arranging models and objects as per previous discussions. this should prepare the tree for next steps. | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | korzen: depending on how long it will take you to get the job done (as in reviewable) | 15:20 |
| manjeets_ | ok i'll send more patches today for relocation | 15:20 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: I originally told kevinbenton I will have something for him this week, so if it will take more on your side, I should better step in | 15:20 |
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| korzen | ihrachys, the problem with network is extesions | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: we may not land all of them in one go, we'll need to be strategic so that we avoid git conflicts for other ongoing work. | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | korzen: too many of them? weird ones | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | ? | 15:21 |
| korzen | it is like not OVO extension fields | 15:22 |
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| korzen | if we drop all of extension main object would be ready very fast | 15:22 |
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| korzen | but we should define all fields in OVO and then work on loading the extensions properly | 15:23 |
| ankur-gupta-f | korzen: that was my thought | 15:23 |
| electrocucaracha | but those are required when we are going to integrate the network obj | 15:23 |
| tonytan4ever | I have one for agent: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330870/ | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | korzen: so it's 'just' work to do? no blockers apart time and effort? | 15:23 |
| korzen | and until then, the synthetic fields without any loading methods should not bother much | 15:23 |
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| ihrachys | tonytan4ever: this should be reworked as per late resolution on intended tree structure: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351780/ | 15:24 |
| korzen | ihrachys, I guess that most case has been fixed for subnet so network should not require to have extra fixes in objects API | 15:24 |
| tonytan4ever | I see. Will do. | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | cool. as long as we at least can get_object() and get a proper object with needed extensions, that's good enough. | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | even if the resource is created by other means | 15:25 |
| korzen | that is how I'm thinking too | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | korzen: ok, let's sync later this week, if I will get time on that before you, I will take over | 15:25 |
| manjeets_ | ihrachys, your patch is going to send my refactors in conflict | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: which patch. README plus empty directory? | 15:26 |
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| manjeets_ | yes | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | nope, gerrit does not show it. | 15:26 |
| manjeets_ | I had created that dir in first relocation | 15:26 |
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| ihrachys | I guess git is smart enough to converge. | 15:26 |
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| ihrachys | ok, for those working on model relocation, a note on how to move them in compatible way | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | HenryG came with a smart way of doing it, by using _DeprecateSubset as in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351793/4/neutron/db/allowed_address_pairs/models.py | 15:27 |
| manjeets_ | i also added model dir https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348562/ | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | this pattern should be used for all moves. | 15:28 |
| electrocucaracha | new model files are going to be in singular or plural, e.g. allowed_address_pair | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: ok cool. if that one goes in quick, I will abandon my patch. I just wanted to set the stage quick for other patches to start popping up in paralle. | 15:29 |
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| manjeets_ | yea relocate l3 db models is ready | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: probably singular, but yeah, we should set it right away. | 15:29 |
| manjeets_ | its is following henry's approach | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: one issue I see with the patch is it has lots of conflicts, 18 patches. may need to wait a while to land so that we don't break others' work in unfortunate time. | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | reviewers will need to take a look at conflicting patches to see whether there is anything more critical. | 15:30 |
| manjeets_ | yea we ned to be careful, l3 touches so many files | 15:31 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets_: one thing we could do is temporarily leaving model names in consuming patches the same | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | like in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348562/15/neutron/db/external_net_db.py, we could leave the model as l3_db and then changes to the code won't be needed. | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | that should reduce the number of conflicts. | 15:32 |
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| ihrachys | it won't help in some cases where you need to import both modules, but at least some. | 15:33 |
| manjeets_ | yea that was my concern | 15:34 |
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| manjeets_ | I am trying to keep dependency to avoid conflict | 15:34 |
| manjeets_ | 2 other relocations are dependent on first one | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | one related thing is, now that we'll have a single place for all models, we can automatically load them in head.py as we do for objects in test_objects | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351793/4/neutron/db/migration/models/head.py the bottom | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | ideally tools.import_modules_recursively(os.path.dirname(models.__file__)) will eventually be the only thing in the file | 15:35 |
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| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: is that for testing all the models? | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: thanks for the work. I should get to your patches later this week once we are closer to solving the story for push-notifications | 15:36 |
| manjeets_ | ok thanks | 15:36 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: the file is used in functional tests to load all models and initialize database schema based on those models. | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: then the test runs alembic scripts and compares schema | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | if it's different, then the test fails. | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | because those should stay in sync | 15:37 |
| manjeets_ | ihrachys, we had one problem with schema testing which I think henry was working on | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: link/log would help to understand the context | 15:38 |
| electrocucaracha | got it, and the idea is to reduce the number of imports in that file later, right? | 15:38 |
| manjeets_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294183/ | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: yeah, we will be able to remove them from the file one by one as we move models under neutron/db/models | 15:38 |
| manjeets_ | we need that fix for above kind of testing ^^ | 15:38 |
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| electrocucaracha | nice :) | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: see how we avoid tracking each file for objects: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/tests/unit/objects/test_objects.py#L55 | 15:39 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets_: I was thinking it's already done, at least for some backends. but maybe I don't grasp something. | 15:40 |
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| manjeets_ | there is race condition when different test tries populates database | 15:40 |
| manjeets_ | with a same backend | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | ok, one thing for everyone to be aware of is, kevinbenton raised a good point that we sneaked API change for plugins when we started passing objects into extension methods (thru _make_*_dict) | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | previously, plugins were expecting for db models | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | we will need to eventually switch to objects, but it should not happen ad hoc | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | so we have a patch to revert to passing models where we incorrectly exposed objects before | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348279/ | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348987/ | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | this will need to happen till N | 15:42 |
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| ihrachys | finally, korzen caught an issue with subnet api tests that neutron api controller passes all filters into plugins, not just for those extensions enabled in the setup. | 15:43 |
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| ihrachys | we talked it thru with kevinbenton and the idea is to capture and filter out those unknown filter (pun!) on api layer | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | so that plugins don't receive any random crap | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | I was thinking I will find time for that the prev week. obviously I haven't :P | 15:43 |
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| ihrachys | if anyone aware of api layer is reading, that would be a great opportunity to step in to help with that. | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | the reason why we need it is because objects are strict in the list of filters they accept. | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | so we raise InvalidInput on unknown filter. | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | instead of silently swallowing it | 15:45 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: btw does it return nothing? or just ignores somehow? | 15:45 |
| korzen | nothing | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | right, query builder will construct WHERE clause that won't match | 15:45 |
| korzen | or sorry, it is ignoring the unknown filters returning all the resources | 15:46 |
| korzen | yea | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | probably the right compatible behaviour would be to return nothing from api layer right away. | 15:46 |
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| ihrachys | aha | 15:46 |
| manjeets_ | korzen, its this happening while get_object ? | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | then we filter out unknown queries and that should be the same behaviour as it's now | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: yeah, get_object(s) | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | we self.validate_filters() there | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | and it raises on if filter is not a field and not in extra_filter_names. | 15:47 |
| korzen | https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/db/common_db_mixin.py#L203 there is the matching filter inserted into sql query | 15:47 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: seems like it just does nothing then | 15:48 |
| korzen | ihrachys, so let me repeat, currently the API is returning full list of resources | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | because no clauses (lines 209 and 220) will match | 15:48 |
| korzen | when you pass invalid filter | 15:48 |
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| manjeets_ | what do you exactly mean by full resources you mean all rows ? | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | to be pedant, not full list, but list with other valid filters applied, if there are any | 15:49 |
| manjeets_ | korzen, | 15:49 |
| korzen | 2 API calls with invalid filters will return all rows | 15:49 |
| korzen | ihrachys, yes, with other filters applied :P | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | :) | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | ok, we are on the same page. again, if anyone is willing to step in and make history and is not scared by api router, that's the piece to bite. | 15:50 |
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| jschwarz | I'll be happy to help out | 15:51 |
| ihrachys | haha | 15:51 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: ok, let me poke you later this week. | 15:51 |
| jschwarz | sounds good | 15:51 |
| ihrachys | another general topic for everyone's attention is plan in regards to dasm's keystone-v3 effort | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | you probably know we rename tenant_id to project_id everywhere | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | actually models have the new project_id attribute since lately | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | and tenant_id is just an alias (that also triggers a warning?) | 15:52 |
| korzen | ihrachys, nope, no warning | 15:53 |
| manjeets_ | yes HasProject instead of HasTenant | 15:53 |
| dasm | ihrachys: it suppose to, but HenryG mentioned, that it doesn't. | 15:53 |
| dasm | korzen: yep. | 15:53 |
| ihrachys | so for places where we currently transform object's project_id into db's tenant_id, we can kill the transformation. | 15:53 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: ack. I guess dasm will get it to resolution ;) | 15:53 |
| dasm | ihrachys: indeed. i have it on my plate. | 15:53 |
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| ihrachys | I started pushing some patches to convert existing objects to project_id directly | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350991/ | 15:54 |
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| ihrachys | but then armax is concerned there is no clear plan on how to get it globally. | 15:54 |
| HenryG | dasm: I have a patch in progress to improve deprecation warnings | 15:54 |
| dasm | HenryG: great. Thank you for your help. | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | though I don't agree it should be a single patch, I guess there is some things to write up and plan for, so that other folks are aware of the direction. | 15:54 |
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| ihrachys | some objects are not exposed on RPC wire, which is cool since we can just rename fields | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | others are, like qos policy with its tenant_id field | 15:55 |
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| ihrachys | so for qos, we need transition rules as well as a new version, like in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351071/2/neutron/objects/qos/policy.py | 15:56 |
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| ihrachys | there is also a question on how we translate from tenant_id filter to project_id for plugin-to-objects path, and back, but that will probably need discussion with dasm and friends | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | I see the time is approaching to end the meeting | 15:58 |
| ihrachys | #topic Other stuff | 15:58 |
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| ihrachys | next meeting is on Monday, no changes in regards to midcycles | 15:58 |
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| ihrachys | I will travel to Cork on Tue only, so will handle the chairing. | 15:59 |
| korzen | there is public Holiday in Poland next week | 15:59 |
| manjeets_ | ihrachys, i have devref up for review | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | korzen: which day | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: link | 15:59 |
| korzen | Monday | 15:59 |
| korzen | 15th | 15:59 |
| manjeets_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351438/ | 15:59 |
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| manjeets_ | devref for relocating models ^^ | 15:59 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: ack, we will miss you :) but we'll meet on the event, so good. | 16:00 |
| korzen | I will be OOO from Friday to Tues | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: I see, maybe that's the better patch to contain the scaffolding dir, not mine. | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: let me review | 16:00 |
| korzen | I will be in Cork Tue evening | 16:00 |
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| ihrachys | ack. | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | ok we need to close the meeting | 16:00 |
| electrocucaracha | korzen: me too | 16:00 |
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| manjeets_ | ok thanks | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | thanks everyone! | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 8 16:00:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-08-08-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| korzen | thanks | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-08-08-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-08-08-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
| jlibosva | o/ | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 8 16:01:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | hello oslo! ;) | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | ihrachys, ;) | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | hi there: -P | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | :-P | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for GheRivero, amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims, dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, haypo, | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, spamaps | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for sergmelikyan, sreshetnyak, sileht, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek, gcb, Nakato | 16:01 |
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| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:01 |
| dims | o/ | 16:01 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | oops, thats using the old ihrachys | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | yo yo | 16:01 |
| rbradfor | o/ What, I've been dropped from the list? | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | SHAME ON YOU | 16:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | hmmm | 16:01 |
| amrith | ./ | 16:02 |
| bknudson | In another meeting so distracted. | 16:02 |
| ansmith | o/ | 16:02 |
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| osh | \o/ | 16:02 |
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| harlowja_at_home | weird, i think i ran the wrong ping me script | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:02 |
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| harlowja_at_home | weirds | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:02 |
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| amrith | it got me, must be the right one. who's this rbradfor person? | 16:02 |
| amrith | new guy? | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | ohhhh, i know | 16:03 |
| jecarey_ | o/ | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | my other script also has a ping me header, i gotta remove that one | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:03 |
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| johnsom | Nothing to report here | 16:03 |
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| rbradfor | amrith, your a funny guy? | 16:03 |
| osh | no red flags from murano | 16:04 |
| bknudson | Nothing for keystone that I know of. | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | no flags on neutron side, grafana clear | 16:04 |
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| amrith | all quiet on the trove front. I have a quesiton that I'd like to raise to the team. (other than the "who's the rbradfor guy") | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | ihrachys, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352370/ is needed right? | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | (not sure its red, but perhaps yellow flag?) | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | harlowja_at_home: ah right, shame on me. too many things to handle. :P | 16:04 |
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| ihrachys | it's yellow-ish yet | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | my periodic job bot is dead (not sure why) but i'll check those when i get in to work | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:05 |
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| ihrachys | it's not as red as the fact that currently the whole neutron gate is busted, so I forgot about it | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:05 |
| ihrachys | harlowja: we'll aslo need to bump in gate: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352374/ | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | kk | 16:06 |
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| harlowja_at_home | gcb, anything from the nova folks? | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Releases for newton | 16:07 |
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| harlowja_at_home | (will find gcb later to catch up/check up) | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | so besides the current oslo.db (for mitaka) | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | anyone else need a specific release of any library? (otherwise i'll just batch them all, assuming periodic jobs are ok) | 16:08 |
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| ihrachys | mine periodic is good | 16:08 |
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| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | also everyone keep in mind | 16:09 |
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| harlowja_at_home | http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 16:09 |
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| harlowja_at_home | time slowly approaching 'Aug 22-26' | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html#n-final-lib | 16:09 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | \o | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic What amrith wants to talk about | 16:11 |
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| harlowja_at_home | amrith whats up :-P | 16:11 |
| amrith | thx | 16:11 |
| amrith | I want to ask about oslo.log and log rotation | 16:11 |
| amrith | are there any best practices on it? | 16:11 |
| amrith | someone proposed a change in trove based on rotating file handlers. | 16:11 |
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| amrith | I just wanted to make sure that we didn't go accept some seventh solution to a known problem ... | 16:11 |
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| harlowja_at_home | one of https://docs.python.org/2/library/logging.handlers.html#rotatingfilehandler ? | 16:12 |
| amrith | see: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352257/ | 16:12 |
| amrith | yes | 16:12 |
| amrith | rotating file handler | 16:12 |
| amrith | logging.handlers.RotatingFileHandler | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | right, so i haven't heard of any best practices (specific to oslo.log) here | 16:13 |
| amrith | I'd love it if someone from the oslo team could provide some guidance on whether this is the recommended way in which we do this. | 16:13 |
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| harlowja_at_home | agreed, it'd be nice to have a best practices for this kind of rotation stuffs | 16:14 |
| amrith | because, knowing my luck, we'll say yes to the one solution that is incompatible with the next change coming down the road in oslo.log. | 16:14 |
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| harlowja_at_home | :-P | 16:14 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i think what's being done in that review is fine, but agreed, let me start a little 'usage best practices' for this kind of stuff | 16:15 |
| amrith | thanks harlowja_at_home | 16:15 |
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| amrith | also, please confirm that there's one more version of oslo.context before newton :) | 16:15 |
| amrith | the last one was fun | 16:15 |
| amrith | but now we have the process in place | 16:15 |
| amrith | and I'd like to give it a quick 'test'. | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'm guessing there is one more :-P | 16:16 |
| * amrith ducks to avoid the flying tomatoes | 16:16 | |
| amrith | oh, those were eggs. | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | there is 2.7 | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | there hasn't been any merges recently, so may not be a release this week | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | but i'd be safe to say there would be one more | 16:16 |
| amrith | oh, we got 2.7.0, I was wondering if there was more :) | 16:16 |
| amrith | crap, ok. will put on my raincoat | 16:17 |
| amrith | it rains frog parts each time you guys do one of those things. | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:17 |
| bknudson | we were talking about this around here recently. | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | tasty | 16:17 |
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| bknudson | it would be nice if we could send a signal to the service to cause the file handle to re-open | 16:18 |
| bknudson | apache httpd supports this | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | for logging? | 16:18 |
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| amrith | bknudson, I saw that; sighup to reopen config files. but not file handle for log files. | 16:18 |
| bknudson | makes log rotation more efficient | 16:18 |
| bknudson | The result of the internal discussion was to use RotatingFileHandler, I think. | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | would SIGHUP trigger https://docs.python.org/2/library/logging.handlers.html#logging.handlers.RotatingFileHandler.doRollover then? | 16:19 |
| bknudson | SIGHUP would allow logrotate to work. | 16:19 |
| amrith | our service is a bit skittish. if you say SIGHUP, it'll drop everything and run away. | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | doesn't seem like it would be that hard to have a RotatingFileHandler that is connected into the SIGHUP stuffs | 16:21 |
| amrith | yes, some small changes and we should be able to get that rotating file handler stuff working. | 16:21 |
| amrith | ok, that was my only question. | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Reviews needing review | 16:22 |
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| harlowja_at_home | any reviews people want to raise so that others can (hopefully) look at? | 16:23 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i think all of kens stuff @ https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project:openstack/oslo.messaging+branch:feature/amqp-dispatch-router merged | 16:24 |
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| osh | this one, need more core-reviewers https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349887/ | 16:24 |
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| harlowja_at_home | soo i'm guessing i'll have to find him to do the merge of that feature branch back into main oslo.messaging | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | osh, ah yes, i'll look that over today | 16:24 |
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| osh | harlowja_at_home: thanks C: | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | np :) | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:26 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anything else people want to talk about? bring up? other? :-P | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | ok, guess we can call it then :) | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx for those who showed up!! :) | 16:28 |
| amrith | thanks harlowja_at_home | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | np :) | 16:28 |
| amrith | bye harlowja_at_home bknudson rbradfor | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | peace! | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 16:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:29 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 8 16:29:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:29 |
| bknudson | talk to you later. | 16:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-08-08-16.01.html | 16:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-08-08-16.01.txt | 16:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-08-08-16.01.log.html | 16:29 |
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| mfedosin | Courtesy meeting reminder ( #openstack-meeting-alt ): ativelkov, mfedosin, docaedo, dshakhray, kairat, nikhil, sudipto, sskripnick | 17:30 |
| nikhil | o/ | 17:30 |
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| dshakhray | o/ | 17:30 |
| mfedosin | #startmeeting glare | 17:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 8 17:31:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mfedosin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glare)" | 17:31 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glare' | 17:31 |
| docaedo | o/ | 17:31 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | So, we are in the process of creating a new project | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | I created all LP stuff today | 17:32 |
| mfedosin | #link https://launchpad.net/glare | 17:32 |
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| mfedosin | then I proposed a patch to project config | 17:33 |
| mfedosin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352519/ | 17:33 |
| rosmaita | mfedosin: quick question ... is the plan that you will detach glare from glance immediately and have an independent release in newton? | 17:33 |
| mfedosin | rosmaita: I hope so | 17:34 |
| nikhil | irc #openstack-glare (guessed from no notification in glance irc channel) | 17:34 |
| rosmaita | ok | 17:34 |
| rosmaita | mfedosin: one other thing ... any second thoughts from the replies on the ML? | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | and yeah, I create a channel for Glare | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | #openstack-glare | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | rosmaita: is there anything interesting? | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | I haven't read it today | 17:35 |
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| rosmaita | mfedosin: not really, same stuff | 17:35 |
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| mfedosin | so, yeah - nothing new | 17:36 |
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| mfedosin | I created a small stub for Glare https://github.com/Fedosin/glare | 17:36 |
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| mfedosin | but it doesn't work yet, it's kind of experiment | 17:37 |
| mfedosin | also, we updated json-schema generation | 17:37 |
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| mfedosin | it will be used for schema-driven ui in App-Catalog | 17:38 |
| mfedosin | docaedo: sskripnick came back and now he's writing a doc about app-catalog reference architecture | 17:39 |
| docaedo | mfedosin: yep, we chatted in #openstack-app-catalog earlier today | 17:40 |
| mfedosin | I think that's all at this moment | 17:41 |
| nikhil | i ve 2 ques | 17:41 |
| mfedosin | We tried to make all the pieces together. | 17:41 |
| mfedosin | and implement app-catalog based on glare v1 | 17:42 |
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| mfedosin | here's the link | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | #link http://r-ci.tk:8100/ | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: sure | 17:42 |
| nikhil | 1. what about the patches in glance (many are marked WIP)? (we should come up with a plan on moving them as convenient with the glare team) | 17:43 |
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| nikhil | 2. what about the experimental v3 API for newton? | 17:43 |
| nikhil | (we need to document to avoid it's usage from glance in newton and encourage people to start using glare v1) | 17:44 |
| mfedosin | 1. I'll abandon this patches next week | 17:44 |
| mfedosin | these | 17:44 |
| mfedosin | what's experimental v3 api? | 17:44 |
| nikhil | (since the plan is diff projects , we need to keep the two team coordinated) | 17:44 |
| mfedosin | do you mean v0.1? | 17:44 |
| nikhil | https://github.com/openstack/glance/tree/master/glance/api/v3 | 17:44 |
| nikhil | yeah, that's termed as v0.1 :) | 17:45 |
| mfedosin | it's empty :) | 17:45 |
| mfedosin | if it's possible I would ask not to remove this code in Newton | 17:45 |
| nikhil | https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/glance/api/glare/v0_1/glare.py ? | 17:45 |
| mfedosin | this code won't be a part of new project | 17:45 |
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| mfedosin | yes | 17:46 |
| nikhil | sure, let's keep everyone on the same page | 17:46 |
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| nikhil | it's not a problem to remove or not remove | 17:46 |
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| nikhil | just that people know the plans | 17:46 |
| mfedosin | my plan is - create a repo with v1 code only and abandon all patches | 17:46 |
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| nikhil | okay | 17:47 |
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| mfedosin | in Ocata I'll propose a patch that removes glare's code from glance completely | 17:47 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: can you add a doc/ page in glance for the glare plans and current state ? | 17:47 |
| rosmaita | +1 that would be very helpful | 17:47 |
| mfedosin | hmm, okay | 17:47 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: we can add some document that says when the specific code will be ported | 17:47 |
| mfedosin | but I'll be on vacation this week | 17:48 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: ok, let me start that page | 17:48 |
| mfedosin | is it okay if I do it next week? | 17:48 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: I wil link it for your review and you can add more info to it | 17:48 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: sure, it will be great | 17:48 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: that way we keep the glance team on the same page (literally) on where the conversation / plans are | 17:49 |
| rosmaita | i think that's a good strategy, it will show people not to ask that question i asked about second thoughts | 17:49 |
| nikhil | yeah, positive side effects | 17:49 |
| mfedosin | :) | 17:50 |
| mfedosin | also, I want to say that there is not so much common code | 17:50 |
| mfedosin | so, this removal won't be painful | 17:50 |
| nikhil | ++ | 17:50 |
| mfedosin | only functional tests are hard | 17:51 |
| nikhil | (on not so common code, except for requirements etc) | 17:51 |
| mfedosin | glare uses the same infrastructure as glance | 17:51 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: I don't want to meddle but I think glare should not have functional tests for newton | 17:51 |
| mfedosin | why not? | 17:52 |
| mfedosin | they are already done | 17:52 |
| nikhil | we've discussed hard over the last cycles where such tests belong | 17:52 |
| nikhil | and there's a bit of back and forth if the functional tests should be in repo or simply in tempest | 17:52 |
| nikhil | this might be a good time for glare to keep the code base simple and avoid extra maint. | 17:52 |
| nikhil | there was a ask from glane team for functional tests just because it's setup that way | 17:53 |
| mfedosin | maybe, but sometimes it good to have these test near your code | 17:53 |
| docaedo | I would say -1 on removing tests that already exist, but long term moving them to tempest makes sense | 17:53 |
| mfedosin | I don't want to deploy and run tempest every time | 17:53 |
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| nikhil | yeah, I don't want to meddle but it's good to not have functional tests in the tree | 17:54 |
| nikhil | keep them in CI if needed | 17:54 |
| * nikhil stops fruitless advice | 17:54 | |
| mfedosin | I'll keep that in mind. | 17:54 |
| mfedosin | also, I think we should rework our external locations a little bit | 17:55 |
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| mfedosin | I wrote an email today | 17:55 |
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| mfedosin | it may be interesting for glance as well | 17:55 |
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| mfedosin | Stuart proposed a huge feedback, but I haven't read it yet | 17:55 |
| mfedosin | it's called [Glance][Glare] External locations design | 17:56 |
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| docaedo | oh I also have not caught up on -dev ML yet today but that sounds interesting | 17:57 |
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| mfedosin | docaedo: it was designed specially for app-catalog | 17:57 |
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| * docaedo feels honored | 17:58 | |
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| mfedosin | docaedo: you're our main customer | 17:58 |
| mfedosin | we implement all features mostly for you | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | if there are no more questions I suppose we can finish for today | 17:59 |
| docaedo | hahaha wow | 17:59 |
| docaedo | lucky app-catalog! | 17:59 |
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| mfedosin | thank you for coming :) | 17:59 |
| docaedo | mfedosin: thanks! | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 8 17:59:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-08-08-17.31.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-08-08-17.31.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-08-08-17.31.log.html | 17:59 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 8 20:01:36 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:01 | |
| diazjf1 | o/ | 20:01 |
| panatl | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | As usual the angeda can be found here: | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | #topic Midcycle | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Midcycle (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:04 | |
| redrobot | the midcycle is next week ! | 20:04 |
| redrobot | I think I'm going for sure. ;) | 20:04 |
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| diazjf1 | redrobot, "think" and "for sure" :p lol | 20:05 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-security-midcycle-N | 20:05 |
| redrobot | diazjf1 I'll be there! | 20:05 |
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| kfarr | o/ | 20:05 |
| diazjf1 | redrobot, awesome!! | 20:05 |
| diazjf1 | There's still a few tentatives | 20:05 |
| diazjf1 | in the midcycle etherpad | 20:06 |
| redrobot | diazjf1 :-O | 20:06 |
| redrobot | if not we'll have a real cozy midcycle | 20:06 |
| diazjf1 | redrobot, yup! Either way it will be fun | 20:06 |
| redrobot | cool | 20:07 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:07 |
| diazjf1 | I updated the etherpad to include recommended hotels near the area as well | 20:07 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:07 |
| redrobot | #topic Mascot | 20:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mascot (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:08 | |
| panatl | double head dragon :) | 20:08 |
| redrobot | Following up from last week. The OpenStack marketing folks got back to me and Armadillo and Komodo Dragon are both too similar to other mascots | 20:08 |
| redrobot | so they won't do :-\ | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | but Mountain or Sea Urchin are both available! | 20:09 |
| redrobot | #vote What should be our mascot? Mountain, Sea Urchin | 20:09 |
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| diazjf1 | Sea Urchin | 20:09 |
| redrobot | #startvote What should be our mascot? Mountain, Sea Urchin | 20:09 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: What should be our mascot? Valid vote options are Mountain, Sea, Urchin. | 20:09 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:09 |
| redrobot | #vote Sea Urchin | 20:09 |
| openstack | redrobot: Sea Urchin is not a valid option. Valid options are Mountain, Sea, Urchin. | 20:10 |
| diazjf1 | #vote Sea Urchin | 20:10 |
| openstack | diazjf1: Sea Urchin is not a valid option. Valid options are Mountain, Sea, Urchin. | 20:10 |
| redrobot | #endvote | 20:10 |
| openstack | Voted on "What should be our mascot?" Results are | 20:10 |
| redrobot | let's try that again | 20:10 |
| redrobot | #startvote What should be our mascot? Mountain, Urchin | 20:10 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: What should be our mascot? Valid vote options are Mountain, Urchin. | 20:10 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:10 |
| redrobot | #vote Urchin | 20:10 |
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| diazjf1 | #vote Urchin | 20:10 |
| panatl | #vote Urchin | 20:10 |
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| redrobot | kfarr woodster_ ? | 20:11 |
| woodster_ | #vote Urchin | 20:11 |
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| redrobot | It's going to be a landslide... | 20:11 |
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| kfarr | is widgeon an option? | 20:12 |
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| kfarr | #vote widgeon | 20:12 |
| openstack | kfarr: widgeon is not a valid option. Valid options are Mountain, Urchin. | 20:12 |
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| kfarr | dangit | 20:12 |
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| kfarr | #vote Urchin | 20:12 |
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| woodster_ | kfarr: keepin' the spirit alive! | 20:13 |
| redrobot | kfarr we'll take it as a write-in vote | 20:13 |
| redrobot | #link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wigeon | 20:13 |
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| * woodster_ curious what mascot looks like an armadillo | 20:13 | |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:14 |
| redrobot | woodster_ probably the security team | 20:14 |
| redrobot | woodster_ they have some weird armored animal | 20:14 |
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| kfarr | is there syntax for a write-in? | 20:14 |
| redrobot | kfarr not sure the vote bot has one... | 20:14 |
| redrobot | #endvote | 20:15 |
| openstack | Voted on "What should be our mascot?" Results are | 20:15 |
| openstack | Urchin (5): panatl, woodster_, kfarr, diazjf1, redrobot | 20:15 |
| redrobot | it's a landslide! | 20:15 |
| redrobot | #info Sea Urchin won the second round of mascots | 20:15 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ https://duckduckgo.com/?q=pangolin&t=ffab&iax=1&ia=images | 20:16 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:16 |
| woodster_ | that *is* weird | 20:16 |
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| redrobot | #topic Reviews | 20:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:21 | |
| redrobot | Any patches that need reviewing discussion? | 20:21 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320100/ | 20:22 |
| redrobot | ^^ is listed in the agenda | 20:22 |
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| redrobot | as well as | 20:22 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343986/ | 20:22 |
| panatl | need those approved please ..waiting for long time :) | 20:22 |
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| redrobot | panatl added to my review queue | 20:23 |
| panatl | unless any other correction needed ... please review those two | 20:23 |
| panatl | thanks redrobot :) | 20:23 |
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| redrobot | hmm... lost my connection for some reason | 20:27 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339764/ | 20:27 |
| redrobot | ^^ docs for the date filters. just needs another +2 | 20:27 |
| woodster_ | panatl: alee is looking to add a test to pass the coverage gate: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343986/ | 20:29 |
| alee | redrobot, done | 20:29 |
| redrobot | alee \o/ | 20:30 |
| panatl | thank you | 20:30 |
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| woodster_ | panatl: it's good to keep the coverage up on the barbican repo as much as possible | 20:30 |
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| panatl | sure keeping that in mind woodster: thanks | 20:31 |
| redrobot | #topic Open Discussion | 20:33 |
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| redrobot | any other topics that we should talk about? | 20:33 |
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| arunkant | redrobot: do you guys use pkcs11 plugin? Looking for some information about pkcs11 pkek caching logic .. | 20:34 |
| panatl | redrobot .. will there be any conference room / call .. i can hear for mid-cycle meet-up | 20:34 |
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| redrobot | arunkant yes, we're using the PKCS#11 plugin at Rackspace. I can try to answer any questions you have | 20:35 |
| diazjf1 | panatl, we can do a google hangout for certain topics if you request :) | 20:35 |
| panatl | awesome diazjf1 | 20:35 |
| redrobot | panatl what diazjf1 said | 20:35 |
| arunkant | redrobot: How is project kek cached handles are cleaned up when barbican api server is restarted ? | 20:35 |
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| arunkant | redrobot: As I understand, project kek cache is a in-memory cache. And those handles are destroyed based on cache expiration or cache size limit is reached. | 20:37 |
| redrobot | arunkant yeah, I think that's right | 20:38 |
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| redrobot | arunkant I _think_ the HSM clears the cache when the connection ends? don't quote me on that though... | 20:38 |
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| redrobot | arunkant I'll ask jmckind when I see him, he's worked with the caching stuff before | 20:39 |
| arunkant | redrobot: okay..thanks. | 20:40 |
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| redrobot | anything else? | 20:42 |
| alee | diazjf1, redrobot can we have a running google hangout thoughout the midcycle that folks can join on and off? | 20:42 |
| diazjf1 | alee, we can do a live stream or something like that | 20:43 |
| arunkant | +1, that will be great if that can be done.. | 20:43 |
| alee | diazjf1, that would be good. I unfortunately am not able to attend this time, but I suspect I'll be interested in several topcis | 20:43 |
| diazjf1 | alee, sounds good. | 20:44 |
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| panatl | +1 for live stream | 20:46 |
| diazjf1 | alee, panatl, we'll see what we can setup over here | 20:47 |
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| diazjf1 | ^^ edtubill | 20:47 |
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| redrobot | okay! | 20:49 |
| panatl | stick a webcam on wall :) | 20:50 |
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| panatl | thanks diaz | 20:50 |
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| redrobot | any last minute topics | 20:50 |
| alee | I'm happy to be a disembodied head on the wall a la Wizard of Oz again .. | 20:50 |
| diazjf1 | panatl no worries | 20:50 |
| redrobot | alee ha | 20:51 |
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| redrobot | ok then, see you guys next week in ATX! | 20:52 |
| diazjf1 | see ya! | 20:52 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 8 20:52:50 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:52 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-08-08-20.01.html | 20:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-08-08-20.01.txt | 20:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-08-08-20.01.log.html | 20:52 |
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| CarolBarrett | #startmeeting product working group | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 8 21:01:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is CarolBarrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:01 |
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| CarolBarrett | Hi All | 21:01 |
| shamail | Hi everyone | 21:01 |
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| rcaballeromx | Hi | 21:02 |
| CarolBarrett | Hi Shamail | 21:02 |
| shamail | Hey CarolBarrett | 21:02 |
| CarolBarrett | you can find the agenda for today's meeting here | 21:02 |
| CarolBarrett | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:02 |
| MeganR | Hi | 21:02 |
| mkashyap | Hi | 21:02 |
| kei | Hi | 21:02 |
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| CarolBarrett | Hi rcaballeromx | 21:02 |
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| CarolBarrett | Let's get going. | 21:03 |
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| rockyg | o/ | 21:03 |
| leong | o/ | 21:03 |
| CarolBarrett | #topic Upcoming Meetings | 21:03 |
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| CarolBarrett | Just a reminder that we will not have our regular IRC meetings on 8/22 or 9/5 | 21:03 |
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| CarolBarrett | We will have our Midcycle on 8/22 in NYC | 21:04 |
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| CarolBarrett | any questions or comments? | 21:04 |
| MarkBaker_ | o/ | 21:05 |
| CarolBarrett | Hi MarkBaker | 21:05 |
| CarolBarrett | Next topic | 21:05 |
| CarolBarrett | #topic PWG Midcycle Planning | 21:05 |
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| CarolBarrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Newton_Midcycle_Planning | 21:05 |
| CarolBarrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Newton_Midcycle_Planning | 21:05 |
| CarolBarrett | We're 2 weeks away from our midcycle and I wanted to take 1 more look at the agenda to see if there are any changes we want to make or if there are questions that need an answer | 21:06 |
| rcaballeromx | @CarolBarret: I won't be attending in person. The US visa won't be there on time. | 21:07 |
| rcaballeromx | I will still participate remotely. | 21:07 |
| CarolBarrett | rcaballeromx: no problem. There are several folks who will attend remotely. I will know more about what our capabilities will be later this week. | 21:08 |
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| rcaballeromx | @CarolBarret: Thanks, that will be awesome. | 21:08 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 21:08 |
| CarolBarrett | Hi Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:08 |
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| leong | i will be there.. just booked my tickets :-) | 21:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I will be there for midcycle. | 21:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | but not for user WG | 21:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do we need to register with user WG? | 21:09 |
| CarolBarrett | Arkady_Kanevsky: Do you plan to call in for the Midcycle if you cannot attend in person? Wondering about the stretch topic on Criteria for Priortization | 21:09 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I will be in NYC in person | 21:10 |
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| CarolBarrett | I touched base with kemcjohnston on the OpenStack strategy topic and he was OK with timing and plans to send out some pre-work. | 21:10 |
| CarolBarrett | Arkady_Kanevsk: Excellent | 21:10 |
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| CarolBarrett | Any questions or suggestions on the plan for the day? | 21:11 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | good plan. | 21:11 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Let's decide on group dinner | 21:11 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Carol, are oyu giving a presentation at OpenSTack east? | 21:12 |
| CarolBarrett | Arkady_Kanevsky: Good point. Has everyone who is interested in going for a team dinner on Monday night put there name on line 44 in the etherpad? | 21:12 |
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| CarolBarrett | Arkady_Kanevsky: Yes, Shamail and I are giving one on the state of product management. | 21:12 |
| CarolBarrett | We can review the slides with this team in the next meeting, would be great to get some feedback | 21:12 |
| shamail | CarolBarrett: can you please add my name to the etherpad for dinner? | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I started a list at the bottom of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Newton_Midcycle_Planning for dinner attendees | 21:13 |
| shamail | (Not able to edit it at the moment) | 21:13 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I can add you | 21:13 |
| CarolBarrett | Shamail: Will do | 21:13 |
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| shamail | Thanks | 21:13 |
| CarolBarrett | If anyone has a favorite place they'd like to go pls add that too after line 45 | 21:14 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Shamail do you want to send a pointer to google slides for feedback? Then final review at next meeting | 21:14 |
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| CarolBarrett | Arkady_Kanevsky: We should have a draft of the slides by the end of this week. We can send a link out prior to our next meeting | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:15 |
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| shamail | +1 | 21:15 |
| CarolBarrett | As part of our midcycle, we agreed to have an extended meeting on 8/29 to provide an update and gain feedback from folks who aren't able to attend. | 21:15 |
| CarolBarrett | I have 2 questions for you all around this: | 21:15 |
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| CarolBarrett | 1) Do you want to extend by starting 1 hr earlier or going 1 hr later? | 21:16 |
| shamail | I prefer going later | 21:16 |
| rcaballeromx | I can help with review and edit of the slides. | 21:16 |
| MeganR | I prefer going earlier :) | 21:16 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | also prefer later time | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I can start 1/2 hour yearlier but not 1 hour | 21:17 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | spliting early and late time | 21:17 |
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| mkashyap | Prefer later time. | 21:17 |
| CarolBarrett | Is starting 30 min early/going 30 min late a viable solution? | 21:18 |
| MeganR | that sounds like an excellent compromise! | 21:18 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | <CarolBarrett> +1 for compromise | 21:19 |
| shamail | CarolBarrett: +1 | 21:19 |
| MarkBaker_ | CarolBarrett, +1 | 21:19 |
| leong | +1 | 21:19 |
| mkashyap | +1 | 21:19 |
| MarkBaker_ | prefer earlier | 21:19 |
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| rockyg | Works for me. Could do earlier or later but will be doing it from vacation.... | 21:20 |
| CarolBarrett | It looks like the 30 early/30 later is preferred. | 21:20 |
| CarolBarrett | Next question: Do we want a voice line for this call? | 21:20 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Rocky enjoy vacation. You will be on mid-cycle so yu know what happened | 21:20 |
| CarolBarrett | LOL | 21:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 for voice line for remote folks | 21:21 |
| rockyg | +1 | 21:21 |
| rcaballeromx | +1 | 21:21 |
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| mkashyap | +1 for voice line | 21:21 |
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| shamail | CarolBarrett: +1 | 21:21 |
| MeganR | +1 | 21:21 |
| CarolBarrett | Arkady_Kanevsky: Everyone will be remote :) | 21:21 |
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| CarolBarrett | OK - I'll add a voice line for that meeting. | 21:22 |
| * rcaballeromx cheers! | 21:22 | |
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| CarolBarrett | Anything else on midcycle? | 21:22 |
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| rockyg | Yeah. Double check on where people are staying...Haven't made my reservations yet | 21:22 |
| CarolBarrett | Moving on | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Do we need anything for interlock with user WG for Th-Fr that week? | 21:22 |
| CarolBarrett | #topic Ops Midcycle | 21:23 |
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| CarolBarrett | Anyone have a link to the schedule for the event? | 21:23 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Newton_Midcycle_Planning ? | 21:23 |
| rockyg | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NYC-ops-meetup | 21:24 |
| CarolBarrett | RockyG: I have seen that one, but don't know what suggestions were accepted | 21:24 |
| shamail | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA/edit#gid=1046944156 | 21:24 |
| shamail | This google doc has the draft schedule that is being developed (NY tab) | 21:25 |
| CarolBarrett | Shamail: This is perfect. Thanks! | 21:25 |
| shamail | They haven't fully filled it out yet but this is the document that will have details as they emerge. | 21:25 |
| CarolBarrett | I'd like to map folks from our team to the different session (as appropriate) to gather requirements, feedback, recruit members, etc | 21:26 |
| CarolBarrett | What do you think of this approach? | 21:27 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | rocky do oyu know if they will hvae phone line? | 21:27 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: they most likely will not | 21:28 |
| rockyg | Don't know. There is now a team that organizes these and I've just too much on my plate to attend. | 21:28 |
| shamail | CarolBarrett: +1, I like that approach | 21:28 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | argh. Will be hard to follow remotely even with etherpad | 21:28 |
| rockyg | Usually not, as corporate sensitive stuff may be discussed. | 21:28 |
| MeganR | +1 on the approach, good idea | 21:28 |
| leong | +1 carolbarrett | 21:29 |
| rockyg | We can cover sessions you're interested in, Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:29 |
| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: we can setup webex/lync bridge | 21:29 |
| CarolBarrett | I'll create a proposed mapping and we can review it in next week's meeting. | 21:29 |
| shamail | Leong: he was asking about the ops meetup | 21:29 |
| leong | oh. i see.. \ | 21:30 |
| MarkBaker | CarolBarrett, +1 - we can sync/summarise sessions for one another | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I will be happy to cover a couple of ops WG topics but without phone bridge not feasible | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | <CarolBarrett> +1 | 21:30 |
| rcaballeromx | I share Arkady_Kanevsky's opinion. | 21:30 |
| CarolBarrett | Is there anyone else who will be at our Midcycle but not stay for the ops midcycle? | 21:31 |
| shamail | Thanks Arkady_Kanevsky and rcaballeromx but I think onsite attendance will be needed for that event. :( | 21:31 |
| CarolBarrett | I'll use the in-person list from our midcycle planning etherpad as a source for the ops midcycle schedule mapping | 21:31 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks Carol | 21:32 |
| CarolBarrett | Anything else on the Ops Midcycle? | 21:32 |
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| CarolBarrett | #topic CPL Updates | 21:32 |
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| CarolBarrett | MarkBaker had volunteered to give an update on Designate today | 21:33 |
| CarolBarrett | MarkBaker: Take it away! | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | pointer to slides? | 21:34 |
| CarolBarrett | MarkBaker are you still with us? | 21:34 |
| MarkBaker | CarolBarrett, total fail I am afraid | 21:34 |
| MarkBaker | I am still woith you, just do not havw an update worth giving | 21:34 |
| CarolBarrett | MarkBaker: Gotcha. Can we slate you in for next week? | 21:35 |
| rockyg | Yay, MarkBaker ! I no longer feel so alone :-) | 21:35 |
| CarolBarrett | LOL | 21:35 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Can we put pointers to slides at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hVSoNXRlp7X1VLEyulI_0PCJbfWbL6_Ue4y7jpsHp7k/edit#gid=1358080590 | 21:36 |
| CarolBarrett | Are there any other CPLs who want to volunteer to provide an update to the team in an upcoming meeting? | 21:36 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I can do Rally update | 21:36 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1JVmJ4KMhv7z5BfA-5z6Rt9YIx-z20HS3Ws6bJMH9HBU | 21:37 |
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| CarolBarrett | Shamail: The link arkady_kanevsky is proposing is for the Newton design series. Can we put links to the updates in that? Or will that be an issue for that team? | 21:37 |
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| CarolBarrett | Arkady_Kanevsky: Great - I will add you to the agenda | 21:38 |
| shamail | We can use that spreadsheet but I would prefer that we create a new tab at least | 21:38 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 for new tab | 21:38 |
| shamail | That would make the content not impact the design series tracking | 21:38 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Thanks Carol | 21:38 |
| CarolBarrett | OK, we'll create a new tab and use that as a table of contents for CPL updates. Nice to have everything in 1 place | 21:39 |
| CarolBarrett | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1JVmJ4KMhv7z5BfA-5z6Rt9YIx-z20HS3Ws6bJMH9HBU | 21:39 |
| shamail | Awesome, thanks | 21:39 |
| CarolBarrett | OK, let's go to our next topic | 21:39 |
| CarolBarrett | #topic Membership | 21:39 |
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| CarolBarrett | One of the tenants of this WG was to harness the power behind the 80/20 nature of our Community | 21:40 |
| CarolBarrett | Meaning that 80% of the contributions come from 20% of the companies | 21:40 |
| CarolBarrett | And if we could get the product managers behind those contributors collaborating we would find synergies that would allow us to accerate time to release of new capabilities that would increase the market adoption of OpenStack | 21:41 |
| rockyg | ++ | 21:42 |
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| CarolBarrett | The last time we gave an update to the Board, we had achieved that goal. But since then, we've had some drop off | 21:42 |
| CarolBarrett | in attendance | 21:42 |
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| rockyg | I've gotten the HQ folks to step into and take over my position on in this group gradually, but it would be better for them if the meeting were later or much earlier. | 21:43 |
| CarolBarrett | I'd like to get your thoughts on why that is, and what actions we should take to get back on track to our goals? | 21:43 |
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| leong | rockyg.. u mean HQ=China ? | 21:43 |
| rockyg | Yup | 21:43 |
| leong | one suggestion is for them to participate in the regional meeting | 21:44 |
| CarolBarrett | RockyG: Interesting point, I wonder if timing of the meeting is part of our issue...? | 21:44 |
| rockyg | The regional meeting is more status and less strategy | 21:44 |
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| leong | we have a regional meeting tomorrow (Tuesday pacific time) | 21:44 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | The main thing is to participate in user_story creation and driving. | 21:44 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | That can be done outside meetings | 21:44 |
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| shamail | I'd really like to see renewed participation from HPE and Mirantis. | 21:44 |
| shamail | And Red Hat | 21:45 |
| leong | the regional can be strategic as well depending on the participants involvement | 21:45 |
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| rockyg | Did we ever have participation from any of those besides HPE? | 21:45 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Carol, do oyu have a list of primary participants at PWG? | 21:45 |
| CarolBarrett | Arkady_Kanevsky: That's important, but shaping the direction for the WG is important too | 21:45 |
| CarolBarrett | shamail: +1 | 21:45 |
| leong | rockyg, i think i saw fred li attending regional meeting before | 21:46 |
| shamail | Yes, we had Sheena from Mirantis (mainly roadmap) and Steve from Red Hat | 21:46 |
| rockyg | leong, I think we need some training. The cultures in APAC make it much harder to get to strategy without some partnering to success. | 21:46 |
| CarolBarrett | I think we've lost Rackspace attendance due to meeting time | 21:46 |
| rockyg | Oh, and a mentor-leader to help light the way. | 21:47 |
| leong | rocky let me know if you need help on training :) | 21:47 |
| shamail | Agreed CarolBarrett but that will get better soon with DST. :) Also, Kenny is still active in the repo and ML. | 21:47 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Is there disagreement on priortities we voted one from these companies? | 21:47 |
| rockyg | I think maybe have the Regional meeting fvote for and focus on working through/up a userstory to show how to get their needs into it. | 21:47 |
| leong | carolbarrett, most participation from rackspace is from Kenny.. he is still quite active as mentioned by shamail | 21:48 |
| CarolBarrett | I think we want to reach out to HPE, Red Hat, Mirantis, EMC/VMware as priorities | 21:48 |
| rockyg | Along with a discussion of human resources to then implement. | 21:48 |
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| CarolBarrett | leong, shamail: +1 | 21:48 |
| leong | so far the regional wg is focus on Baremetal and HA_VM | 21:48 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Who was EMC rep? | 21:48 |
| shamail | CarolBarrett: +1, that's a good list | 21:48 |
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| rockyg | +1 | 21:48 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 on the list | 21:49 |
| CarolBarrett | leong: I think that's a good focus for the Regional team | 21:49 |
| leong | fyi.. we just completed a requirement analysis on Baremetal user story with fujitsu | 21:49 |
| shamail | Leong +1 | 21:49 |
| shamail | Nice! | 21:49 |
| rockyg | leong, great! | 21:49 |
| CarolBarrett | leong: +1 | 21:49 |
| CarolBarrett | Any volunteers to reach out to the companies? | 21:49 |
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| leong | we should add an agenda item for Regional Meeting Update to this meeting | 21:49 |
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| rockyg | I can hit up Mark Voelker | 21:49 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | what is the process for documenting requirements for user story? | 21:49 |
| CarolBarrett | leong: good point. Next meeting? | 21:49 |
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| leong | +1 | 21:50 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Mark us VMware. | 21:50 |
| rockyg | Arkady_Kanevsky, yup | 21:50 |
| CarolBarrett | Leong: Will add you to next week's agenda | 21:50 |
| leong | VMware also interested in participating in the working groups | 21:50 |
| CarolBarrett | Rockyg: Thanks! | 21:50 |
| CarolBarrett | Any other volunteers? | 21:51 |
| shamail | CarolBarrett: I have to leave a bit early today. I'll catch up on the rest of the meeting via log. | 21:52 |
| leong | i can volunteer to reach out to VMware (i'm on a collaboration project with them now) | 21:52 |
| shamail | Have a great evening everyone | 21:52 |
| rockyg | Well, OpenStackSV startsa tomorrow. I can corner some Mirantis folks. don't know if it will help, though. | 21:52 |
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| CarolBarrett | Shamail: Thanks for joining | 21:52 |
| shamail | Thanks | 21:52 |
| CarolBarrett | Leong: Thanks | 21:52 |
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| CarolBarrett | RockyG: That would be great! | 21:52 |
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| CarolBarrett | I'll reach out to Red Hat | 21:52 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Thanks Carol. | 21:52 |
| CarolBarrett | I don't really know where to start with HPE - anyone else? | 21:53 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | If you know EMC contact I will hit them. Bias was not on PWG and I do not know who was | 21:53 |
| CarolBarrett | Arkady_Kanevsky: I think we've got VMware covered, which should be able to rep EMC too. | 21:54 |
| rockyg | CarolBarrett, Allison Randal might be a good person to contact for HPE | 21:54 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do not think so. Different companies | 21:54 |
| CarolBarrett | RockyG: Good point! I can shoot her a note. | 21:54 |
| CarolBarrett | Arkady_Kanevsky: You may be right. I don't have any EMC contacts | 21:55 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I can contact Randy but he is not PM | 21:55 |
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| rockyg | CarolBarrett, Arkady_Kanevsky is right. Two separate companies that will likely get more separate | 21:55 |
| CarolBarrett | Arkady_Kanevsky: Good thought - he should be able to direct to the right person | 21:55 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I will take that AI | 21:56 |
| CarolBarrett | Thanks Arkaday_Kanevsky | 21:56 |
| CarolBarrett | I think that covers the bases for now, let's follow-up next week | 21:56 |
| CarolBarrett | #topic Opens | 21:56 |
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| CarolBarrett | Anyone have opens this week? | 21:56 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | for next meeting how bout templates for different steps on workflow. | 21:57 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | we have good one for user story submissions. WHat about requirements. gap analysis... | 21:58 |
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| CarolBarrett | Arkady_Kanevsky: Hmmmm, doesn't the user story provide that? | 21:58 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | nope. only templates for user story itself | 21:58 |
| rockyg | Arkady_Kanevsky, good thing to work on ++ | 21:59 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | workflow is well defined (in my opinion) but no templates till your get to spec | 21:59 |
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| CarolBarrett | Arkady_Kanevsky: Can I add that to the work flow discussion topic at our Midcycle? | 21:59 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Maybe Leong and I can can work on one for requirements based on the doc he is creatring for baremetal | 22:00 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 for mid cycle | 22:00 |
| leong | sure! | 22:00 |
| CarolBarrett | Arkady_Kanevsky: That would be great! I'll add this to the midcycle too | 22:00 |
| CarolBarrett | Time to wrap-up. | 22:01 |
| CarolBarrett | Thanks everyone for joining and contributing!! | 22:01 |
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| rockyg | Thanks! | 22:01 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Thanks you all | 22:01 |
| CarolBarrett | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| rcaballeromx | Thanks | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 8 22:01:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-08-08-21.01.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-08-08-21.01.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-08-08-21.01.log.html | 22:01 |
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