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| kei | #startmeeting product_working_group | 02:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 9 02:00:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 02:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 02:00 |
| samP_ | hi o/ | 02:00 |
| kei | Hi everyone. | 02:00 |
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| kei | Hi samP. | 02:01 |
| samP_ | kei; hi | 02:01 |
| kei | Who else is here for the Product WG Regional Meeting? | 02:01 |
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| kei | You can find the agenda for today here: | 02:03 |
| kei | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team#Aug_9.2C_2016_.28UTC.29_Product_Team_Regional_Meeting_Agenda | 02:03 |
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| leong | hi this is leong | 02:03 |
| kei | Hi leong. | 02:03 |
| leong | hi kei | 02:03 |
| samP_ | Hi leong | 02:03 |
| leong | hi samP | 02:04 |
| kei | OK. Let's start. | 02:04 |
| kei | #topic Midcycle planning | 02:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Midcycle planning (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 02:04 | |
| samP_ | any new updates about Midcycle planning? info other than in etherpad? | 02:04 |
| samP_ | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Newton_Midcycle_Planning | 02:04 |
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| kei | Here is what has been decided about Midcycle in the main meeting today (JST): | 02:05 |
| kei | - Attendees need to read user stories as prework | 02:05 |
| kei | - Voice line will be prepared for those who join it remotely | 02:05 |
| leong | team is asked to review agenda items for PWG midcycle | 02:06 |
| kei | - PWG dinner on Monday night :) | 02:06 |
| samP_ | great.. | 02:06 |
| leong | add to line 44 at the etherpad if you are joining us | 02:06 |
| leong | samP_: i can't remember who you are based on your nick.. could u remind me? :p | 02:06 |
| samP_ | leong: I am sampath from NTT | 02:07 |
| leong | yeah.. NTT.. now i remember :) | 02:07 |
| samP_ | leong: it been a while | 02:08 |
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| samP_ | bit busy with masakari and openstack HA | 02:08 |
| leong | kei and samp_ , would you guys be there for the PWG and Ops Midcycle | 02:08 |
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| kei | I can't make it this time. Will you be attending the midcycle, samP? | 02:08 |
| samP_ | I will be there, pwg mid -> east(probably) -> ops | 02:08 |
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| leong | that's great! | 02:09 |
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| kei | samP: Nice. Are there any other attendees from NTT? | 02:09 |
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| samP_ | for PWG ops, I think Im the only one. not sure yet. but few will come to east and Ops | 02:10 |
| leong | ok.. it is good to have you representing NTT for the PWG meeting | 02:10 |
| samP_ | sorry, for PWG ops -> PWG mid | 02:10 |
| kei | samP: ah, ok. thanks! | 02:11 |
| leong | sad that kei can't make it this time.. wish to see you at Barcelona :) | 02:11 |
| kei | leong: thanks. hope so too... | 02:11 |
| samP_ | but you could connect via online( or voice?)? | 02:11 |
| leong | nothing much for midcycle planning, please review the etherpad if you have any specific topic to discuss | 02:11 |
| kei | samP: yes, voice line. | 02:11 |
| samP_ | kei: gret, voice line will be really nice. some of our HA team members can join too | 02:12 |
| samP_ | I will update them | 02:12 |
| leong | #action Add voice line info for people to join PWG midcycle remotely | 02:14 |
| kei | samP: i'm not sure i can attend the whole time, but will try to attend at least "Review Status of Top 5 User Story (2 hrs)". | 02:14 |
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| samP_ | kei: that will be great..thank you | 02:14 |
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| leong | shall we move on to next topic to discuss user story? | 02:15 |
| kei | leong: sure. | 02:15 |
| samP_ | leong: please | 02:15 |
| kei | #topic User story update | 02:15 |
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| leong | kei and I are working on the baremetal | 02:15 |
| leong | i have sent the "requirement analysis" to our ironic team for feedback and review | 02:16 |
| leong | btw, we are underdoing company re-org.. so some of the things are moving slowly at our side | 02:16 |
| kei | leong: thanks! excatly who did you send it to? PTL and cores? | 02:17 |
| leong | PTL is from rackspace | 02:17 |
| leong | which i also sent | 02:17 |
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| leong | we have two cores in our team | 02:17 |
| leong | and few new developers on ironic/baremetal project | 02:18 |
| kei | leong: ah, them. ok, thanks. | 02:18 |
| leong | i haven't heard anything from them yet | 02:18 |
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| kei | leong: what kind of feedback are you expecting? | 02:19 |
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| leong | feedback in the existing spec/implementation..and new spec if required | 02:19 |
| leong | i think we also need to "prioritize" which features is more important in the user story | 02:20 |
| leong | there are few "features" required in the user story.. we need to prioritize them so that the dev team can know which one for work on first | 02:20 |
| kei | leong: i think so too. | 02:21 |
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| leong | if you can take a look from Fujitsu customer perspective, we can add the "priority" into the requirement document | 02:21 |
| kei | leong: sure! i'll do that. | 02:22 |
| leong | and in today PWG core meeting.. we are wondering if we can use this "requirement analysis" document as a base template for other user story | 02:22 |
| leong | the team need some guidelines/templates for "requirement analysis" | 02:22 |
| kei | leong: can you share your document? is it based on the doc i created? | 02:23 |
| leong | that's the doc you created | 02:23 |
| leong | but we need to revised and include the priority | 02:23 |
| leong | we can discuss that in more detail offline | 02:25 |
| kei | leong: and it doesn't really provide a template for other's reference... some more revision is needed? | 02:25 |
| kei | leong: ok. | 02:25 |
| kei | samP: could you share the latest status of vm ha? | 02:25 |
| leong | samP_.. do you know anything from the HA_VM user story? | 02:25 |
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| samP_ | kei: we are currently writing specs for VM_HA | 02:26 |
| samP_ | let me find some links | 02:26 |
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| kei | i believe NTT has registered masakari source to openstack repo lately. | 02:27 |
| leong | do you have the link to share? | 02:27 |
| samP_ | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Newton_Midcycle_Planning | 02:27 |
| samP_ | sorry wrong link | 02:27 |
| kei | samP: :) | 02:27 |
| samP_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/openstack-resource-agents-specs | 02:27 |
| samP_ | here will be the link for specs. currently working under openstack resource agents repo | 02:28 |
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| samP_ | here are the plans for specs: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-instance-ha | 02:29 |
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| kei | samP: thanks. will take a quick look at them. | 02:30 |
| samP_ | leong: yes. we crate a repo and launchpad for masakari. now moving all the codes from github and adding new features too | 02:30 |
| leong | #link HA_VM related specs: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/openstack-resource-agents-specs | 02:30 |
| leong | #link HA_VM Planning: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-instance-ha | 02:31 |
| samP_ | I will send the announcement about maskari as soon as we finished the code migration. | 02:31 |
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| leong | samP_ excellent! | 02:31 |
| samP_ | about vm_ha specs, HA team planned to finish all specs before Barcelona, so we can do further discussion on summit | 02:32 |
| leong | samP_ is there any tracking from the user_story and ensure that all features are covered in the planning and spec? | 02:32 |
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| leong | for example: Requirement_123 in HA_VM User Story is covered by Spec_ABC | 02:33 |
| samP_ | leong: yes, we created etherpad based on vmha user story. | 02:33 |
| leong | that's great! | 02:34 |
| samP_ | leong: ahh.. in that case, not documented. I will add those to spec. so everyone can track tem | 02:34 |
| leong | ok samp_ | 02:34 |
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| leong | anything else to update? | 02:35 |
| samP_ | thatz all form my side. thank you | 02:35 |
| kei | leong: maybe i should have written my doc in etherpad so that it'd be much easier to share. | 02:36 |
| leong | #info Need to link SPEC for HA_VM to requirements in HA_VM user story | 02:36 |
| leong | kei.. that's what i thought so as well...etherpad is more easier to share with wider folks | 02:36 |
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| leong | #action leong & kei to share the Baremetal Requirement analysis on etherpad | 02:37 |
| kei | leong: sorry i just followed my old habit :) | 02:37 |
| kei | leong: thanks. will do that. | 02:37 |
| leong | no worry :-) | 02:38 |
| leong | let's move on... | 02:38 |
| leong | next topic "aob"? | 02:38 |
| kei | how about this. | 02:38 |
| kei | #topic Upcoming Meeting Plan | 02:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Upcoming Meeting Plan (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 02:38 | |
| leong | +1 | 02:39 |
| kei | the main meeting canceled 8/22 and 9/5. why don't we have the next meeting on 30th? | 02:39 |
| leong | what's ur thought on future meeting planning? | 02:39 |
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| leong | there was a discussion in today core meeting about encouraging membership participation in PWG | 02:40 |
| leong | ok.. let's set the next meeting on 30th | 02:41 |
| leong | sorry i side-track a bit :) | 02:41 |
| kei | leong: 30th it is. that's no problem. yes, there was the discussion. | 02:41 |
| kei | #topic Opens | 02:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Opens (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 02:42 | |
| leong | #agree Next regional meeting will be on August 30th UTC | 02:42 |
| kei | leong: thanks. | 02:42 |
| leong | :) | 02:43 |
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| kei | leong: they are still looking for someone who can reach out to HPE, right? | 02:43 |
| leong | how can we encourage and reach out to more company to participate in PWG, or specifically Regional PWG for APAC | 02:43 |
| leong | yes kei.. that's one AR | 02:44 |
| leong | do you have contact with HPE? | 02:44 |
| leong | it would be great if we can get more folks to participate in this Regional PWG especially for APAC customers | 02:45 |
| leong | the requirements for APAC customer can be different to US customers | 02:45 |
| kei | leong: i think a person who i met at tokyo summit was a product manager of HPE. i think i can contact her. | 02:46 |
| kei | leong: +1 | 02:46 |
| leong | kei. that's great if you can reach out to her | 02:46 |
| kei | leong: sure thing. | 02:46 |
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| kei | any other topics to discuss? | 02:47 |
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| leong | that's all from my side | 02:47 |
| samP_ | thank you all... nothing from me | 02:48 |
| kei | ok, then. let's finish the meeting! | 02:48 |
| leong | thanks folks for attending! | 02:48 |
| leong | appreciate your time! | 02:48 |
| kei | thanks, leong, samP! | 02:48 |
| samP_ | thank u all.... | 02:48 |
| kei | #endmeeting | 02:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 9 02:48:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-08-09-02.00.html | 02:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-08-09-02.00.txt | 02:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-08-09-02.00.log.html | 02:48 |
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| moshele | #startmeeting sriov | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 9 13:01:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is moshele. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sriov)" | 13:01 | |
| lbeliveau | hi | 13:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sriov' | 13:01 |
| moshele | hi | 13:01 |
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| lennyb | hi | 13:01 |
| moshele | this the updated agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sriov_meeting_agenda | 13:01 |
| moshele | #topic Improving SR-IOV/PCI Passthrough CI | 13:02 |
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| wznoinsk | hi | 13:02 |
| lennyb | I am checking comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335447 | 13:02 |
| skramaja | hi | 13:02 |
| moshele | ok | 13:02 |
| lennyb | wznoinsk, regarding your scripts to test your CI against the others | 13:02 |
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| wznoinsk | hi lennyb, are you interested? | 13:03 |
| lennyb | wznoinsk, yeap | 13:03 |
| moshele | we also have the migration test for tempest migration test - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339230/ | 13:03 |
| wznoinsk | let me take a look at the mnow | 13:03 |
| lennyb | wznoinsk, thanks. | 13:03 |
| moshele | and the migration revert test - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348498/ | 13:03 |
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| moshele | so we need to test to see that if they are passing | 13:04 |
| lbeliveau | lennyb: regarding this tempest, can you please expand on why we need to make sure there is more than two nodes ? | 13:04 |
| lbeliveau | we can take it offline ... | 13:04 |
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| lennyb | lbeliveau: I think we do not migrate node if it will me migration to the same compute | 13:04 |
| lennyb | so I believe that this test either fail or will be skipped | 13:05 |
| lennyb | should be skipped | 13:05 |
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| moshele | lbeliveau: are you working on the tempest tests? | 13:06 |
| lbeliveau | ok I'll have a look if the test can be skipped instead of raising an exception | 13:06 |
| lbeliveau | not at the moment | 13:06 |
| moshele | wznoinsk: I saw the intel NVF CI is now voting, that is great | 13:06 |
| lbeliveau | I am available later this week to work on them | 13:06 |
| moshele | wznoinsk: are planning to test multi-node with you CI? | 13:07 |
| wznoinsk | moshele: yes, plan is to have it by the barcelona summit | 13:08 |
| moshele | ok | 13:08 |
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| moshele | lbeliveau: I planing to start testing pci migration/resize manual testing in a few weeks, I hope all our patches will be merged by than | 13:09 |
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| moshele | wznoinsk: so the Intel PCI CI is still owner by the other Intel group, right? | 13:10 |
| lbeliveau | moshele: cool | 13:10 |
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| wznoinsk | moshele: correct, just have my boss back from hols this week, I may have some news (re whether I take it or not) on the next sriov meeting | 13:11 |
| moshele | ok | 13:11 |
| wznoinsk | moshele: SRIOV/PCI CI team is in China, not this meeting friendly timezone tbh | 13:11 |
| moshele | they also don't answer to mails ... | 13:12 |
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| moshele | #topic Patches for subteam review: | 13:12 |
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| moshele | so we had some patches merged for the pci migration | 13:12 |
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| moshele | we need to land these Update binding:profile for SR-IOV ports on resize-revert - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347444/ | 13:13 |
| moshele | Fix drop_move_claim() on revert resize - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349060 | 13:13 |
| moshele | this should fix the revert | 13:13 |
| lbeliveau | I pinged johnthetubaguy ealier this morning regarding the drop_move_claim | 13:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, sorry, its on my queue, but a bit snowed under right now | 13:14 |
| moshele | I hope he would approve this change.. | 13:14 |
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| lbeliveau | johnthetubaguy: sure, thanks ! | 13:14 |
| moshele | and I need to ping jaypipes on the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347444/ | 13:15 |
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| moshele | anything else on bugs? | 13:15 |
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| lbeliveau | I'm good | 13:16 |
| moshele | #topic Specs for review | 13:16 |
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| moshele | so we have SR-IOV: add agent QoS driver to support egress minimum bandwidth - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347302/ in neutron | 13:16 |
| moshele | when the neutron api will be merged I will try it on our setup | 13:17 |
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| moshele | I also sent deprecate supported_pci_vendor_devs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352812/ | 13:17 |
| moshele | I need to fix the comments | 13:17 |
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| moshele | I hope this will reduce configuration complexity when deploy cloud | 13:18 |
| moshele | and for tripleO | 13:18 |
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| moshele | anyone what to add/rasie an issue? | 13:19 |
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| moshele | s/what/want | 13:20 |
| lbeliveau | not from me | 13:20 |
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| moshele | ok | 13:20 |
| moshele | #endmeeting | 13:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 9 13:20:44 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-08-09-13.01.html | 13:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-08-09-13.01.txt | 13:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-08-09-13.01.log.html | 13:20 |
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| lbeliveau | thanks | 13:20 |
| lbeliveau | bye | 13:20 |
| moshele | bye | 13:20 |
| wznoinsk | thanks, bye | 13:21 |
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| shardy | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 9 14:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shardy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:00 |
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| shardy | #topic rollcall | 14:00 |
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| shardy | Hi all, who's around? | 14:00 |
| adarazs | o/ | 14:00 |
| _coolsvap_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| rhallisey | hello | 14:00 |
| karthiks | HI | 14:00 |
| jtomasek | o/ | 14:00 |
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| beagles | o/ | 14:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi | 14:00 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 14:00 |
| shadower | heya | 14:00 |
| akrivoka | hi \o | 14:00 |
| cdearborn | o/ | 14:00 |
| mandre | hi | 14:00 |
| panda | o/ | 14:00 |
| marios | o/ | 14:01 |
| sshnaidm | o/ | 14:01 |
| ccamacho | HEllo! | 14:01 |
| weshay | o/ | 14:01 |
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| shardy | #topic agenda | 14:01 |
| shardy | * one off agenda items | 14:01 |
| shardy | * bugs | 14:01 |
| shardy | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:01 |
| shardy | * CI | 14:01 |
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| shardy | * Specs | 14:02 |
| shardy | * open discussion | 14:02 |
| bnemec | o/ | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 14:02 |
| shardy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-meeting-items | 14:02 |
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| shardy | Seems we've already got several one-off items, please add any remaining ones to the end of the list | 14:02 |
| shardy | #topic one-off agenda items | 14:03 |
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| dprince | hi | 14:03 |
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| shardy | rkolli added one but doesn't seem to be here? | 14:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | shardy: hi, i am proxing for rkolli | 14:03 |
| shardy | SumitNaiksatam: Aha, hi! | 14:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | he was planning to be here | 14:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | meanwhile i will try to fill in | 14:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we were looking for guidance on how to make progress with: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352661 | 14:04 |
| shardy | So, I'm wondering what the related patch is, which requires this new hieradata? | 14:04 |
| shardy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352661 | 14:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | shardy: right | 14:04 |
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| shardy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351358 | 14:04 |
| shardy | SumitNaiksatam: basically the issue is, we don't allow feature backports, and we're trying to land everything in the new composable services format to master | 14:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | shardy: so 352661 is essentially a backport of 351358 | 14:05 |
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| shardy | what you're proposing seems low-risk, but for master it's a poor fit for our new architecture, and for mitaka I'm wondering if it implies a follow-up patch that backports a feature? | 14:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | shardy: i believe there are no follow up patches to be upstreamed | 14:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ah rkolli is here | 14:06 |
| shardy | SumitNaiksatam: Ok, so this is to enable an out-of-tree integration via ControllerExtraConfigPre? | 14:06 |
| d0ugal | o/ | 14:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | shardy: right | 14:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | shardy: we wondering if #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352661 can be treated as perhaps a bug and accepted? | 14:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in stable/mitaka | 14:07 |
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| shardy | SumitNaiksatam: does the out of tree template contain logic to calculate hieradata, or is it just writing some static hiera keys? | 14:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | shardy: good question, i havent seen that part of the code, so I will have to defer to rkolli | 14:07 |
| shardy | SumitNaiksatam: Ok, well I'll add some comments to the review, if it's just some key/value pairs there's a way to do it without this backport | 14:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | shardy: i believe rkolli is having some logistical difficulties with connecting | 14:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | shardy: ah okay | 14:08 |
| shardy | SumitNaiksatam: lets chat about it later in #tripleo when I've added those comments | 14:08 |
| rkolli | Steven, the out of tree template writes the out the values provided by env file to the hiera data | 14:08 |
| shardy | rkolli: Ok, I think you may be able to use the ControllerExtraConfig and ComputeExtraConfig parameters instead | 14:09 |
| shardy | it's hard to comment when we can't see the out of tree code | 14:09 |
| shardy | if you can post it somewhere it would help provide more specific advice | 14:09 |
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| rkolli | I will share the out of tree code after this meeting | 14:09 |
| shardy | rkolli: Ok, thanks - let's follow up on the review and/or in #tripleo | 14:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | shardy: and as far as #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351358 is concerned its a firm no go? | 14:10 |
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| shardy | SumitNaiksatam: If we have to we probably can do that, but I'd like to discuss the other options first, if that's OK? | 14:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | shardy: good point, thanks! | 14:10 |
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| shardy | The next item is re SR-IOV and DPDK, who wants to give more details on that one? | 14:11 |
| karthiks | i would like to give an update on the SR-IOV and DPDK features. | 14:11 |
| karthiks | on SR-IOV, we have uploaded all the patches, and it is pending for reviewer. | 14:11 |
| karthiks | we have done the integration of all patches, tested and demoed to QE team on the DPDK automation, execept 2 WIP (depends on openvswitch patch), all the patches (including os-net-config) has been uploaded and it is in review state. | 14:12 |
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| shardy | karthiks: Ok, thanks for the update, we can push on reviewing those | 14:13 |
| shardy | karthiks: was there a dependency for SR-IOV on custom roles? | 14:13 |
| karthiks | Thanks.... | 14:13 |
| shardy | I was wondering how you worked around that, did you just enable it for all compute nodes? | 14:13 |
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| karthiks | as of now we are considering uniform cluster .... | 14:14 |
| skramaja | shardy: yes.. we are enabling for all compute nodes with | 14:14 |
| skramaja | assumption as uniform compute nodes.. | 14:14 |
| shardy | beagles: can you help with reviewing these please? IIRC you had a lot of good feedback on the specs | 14:14 |
| beagles | shardy, absolutely | 14:14 |
| shardy | skramaja, karthiks: OK, sounds like a good first step, thanks for the update | 14:15 |
| shardy | let's see if we can get it landed for newton-3 | 14:15 |
| shardy | anything else on this before we move on? | 14:15 |
| karthiks | :) | 14:15 |
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| karthiks | Nothing shardy | 14:15 |
| shardy | ok, thanks! | 14:15 |
| shardy | jaosorior: you're next re the network range | 14:16 |
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| shardy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343443/ | 14:16 |
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| jaosorior | shardy: Right, so we finally set up a deprecation message for the 192.0.2..0/24 range in the undercloud | 14:16 |
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| jaosorior | but would be nice to come up with some other default. | 14:16 |
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| jaosorior | so I went ahead and pushed a commit in tripleo-quickstart. So at least an alternative is there as reference. | 14:17 |
| jaosorior | What do you guys think? | 14:17 |
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| shardy | jaosorior: is there any way we can switch the instack-undercloud default, but have it look at the local box so existing deployments aren't modified on update? | 14:17 |
| shardy | I'm not opposed to the quickstart fix, but there are a lot of non-quickstart users, so it feels like fixing it in the wrong place? | 14:17 |
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| bnemec | The problem is we can't know whether a configuration was using the old default. | 14:18 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 14:18 |
| panda | I too prefer to wait for a converged solution | 14:18 |
| jaosorior | so I thought that at least new users (using quickstart) could start using the new default. So that would be a good start IMO | 14:19 |
| jaosorior | but yeah, bnemec pretty much pointed out the problem | 14:19 |
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| bnemec | There's a deprecation message telling people not to do it, next cycle we can change it in instack-undercloud. | 14:19 |
| shardy | bnemec: couldn't the undercloud install look at br-ctlplane and have a conditional based on that? | 14:19 |
| shardy | a special-case for backwards compatibility? | 14:19 |
| shardy | bnemec: just changing it is still going to break folks on upgrade isn't it, even if we warned them? | 14:20 |
| bnemec | shardy: Maybe | 14:20 |
| jaosorior | AFAIK yeah (I tried) | 14:20 |
| jaosorior | but it's been a while | 14:20 |
| bnemec | shardy: The warning tells them to explicitly configure 192.0.2.0 if they need to keep using it. | 14:20 |
| ayoung | 192.0 is not a legal range to use | 14:20 |
| ayoung | its for documentation only. | 14:20 |
| bnemec | And yet it works fine. | 14:20 |
| bnemec | In most cases. | 14:21 |
| ayoung | bnemec, no it does not | 14:21 |
| shardy | ayoung: Yeah, we know that, the problem is folks are already using it | 14:21 |
| ayoung | bnemec, we would not be discussing it if it did | 14:21 |
| ayoung | it works in *some cases. | 14:21 |
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| ayoung | THe issue is that we don't know what will or won't work | 14:21 |
| bnemec | ayoung: If it didn't work we would not be discussing it. Because we wouldn't have been able to use it for so long. | 14:21 |
| ayoung | we need to ask the user | 14:21 |
| bnemec | That's not the point anyway. | 14:21 |
| bnemec | We're discussing how to change it. | 14:21 |
| ayoung | can we go IPv6? | 14:22 |
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| ayoung | dumb question, but lets throw it out there | 14:22 |
| ayoung | it makes the clash a lot less likely | 14:22 |
| bnemec | shardy: I can maybe look into the br-ctlplane thing. It's possible that would work. | 14:22 |
| jaosorior | Anyway, here's the proposed range in reference of tripleo-quickstart https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343443/ . If people are OK with that, it would be a good start, and then we can start figuring out how to fix the undercloud to have a different default and respect previous configurations. | 14:22 |
| shardy | bnemec: ack, sounds good - we could have the workaround trigger a very noisy warning too I guess | 14:22 |
| bnemec | It's probably going to be a little hacky, but that's probably okay. | 14:23 |
| bnemec | I don't _think_ a lot of people are going to be using this in production anyway, but I've seen crazier things. :-) | 14:23 |
| jaosorior | lol | 14:23 |
| ayoung | can we try and get Tripleo to use IPv6 for all purely internal communication? Is that a well enough tested path that we can at least pursue it? | 14:23 |
| gfidente | I think best result would be to make undercloud not change pre-existing deployments and or on upgrade, but switch to a new default for new installs | 14:23 |
| shardy | Ok, sounds like we have a plan, folks can comment on the quickstart patch and bnemec will look into an instack-undercloud fix/workaround | 14:24 |
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| jaosorior | great! | 14:24 |
| marios | gfidente: not switching on upgrade implies having a n upgrade specific env file (or similar) to have /specify the old defaults | 14:24 |
| panda | awesome | 14:24 |
| shardy | ayoung: it's not a well tested path AFAIK | 14:24 |
| gfidente | marios, I was thinking about undercloud just *not* applying the changes if pre-configured | 14:24 |
| marios | gfidente: k, lets talk more offline then thanks | 14:25 |
| ayoung | shardy, so, I think that changing the defaults, while they will work for us, we are basing them on what we have in our organization, whcih is, I suspect, the same organization fro most developers here | 14:25 |
| bnemec | Hmm, good point. Does this affect the net-iso template defaults too? | 14:25 |
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| bnemec | That's a little scarier. | 14:25 |
| shardy | ayoung: it's just a default, but we chose a bad default | 14:25 |
| ayoung | shardy, and anything we propose as a default is going to trip someone up. I would like to make the "query for network ranges" be part of the workflow | 14:26 |
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| shardy | ayoung: sure, there's probably a few ways we could be smarter about this during the undercloud configuration phase | 14:26 |
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| shardy | ayoung: want to switch to your Federation update? | 14:26 |
| ayoung | shardy, sure | 14:26 |
| shardy | (ayoung) Federation PoC Update and lessons learned | 14:26 |
| ayoung | this is good news | 14:26 |
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| ayoung | OK, so Federation means that we have an external applicaiton (KeyCloak in mycase) that has the user database | 14:27 |
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| ayoung | we have to configure Keystone to accept redirects from Horizon, and redirect to Keyscloak, user signs in, and then the reverse the redirecets (keycloak to keystone, keystone to horizon) | 14:27 |
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| ayoung | this has been a journey, and I got a proof of concept to work last night. | 14:28 |
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| ayoung | I am sure there are things I need to do better, and probably some changes coming to puppet modules | 14:28 |
| ayoung | the big lessons learned: | 14:28 |
| ayoung | 1. All of the external facing interfaces need to use TLS. This includes the Auth URL that Horizon uses to talk to Keystone. It was not expoesed in the past, but will be with Fedration | 14:29 |
| ayoung | 2. We need to use FQDNs as the normal way to deploy. A Keystone server, for example, should not thinkg of its ServerName as controller-0 but rather opensack (or whatever the cloudname is) | 14:30 |
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| jaosorior | #2 is coming soon :D | 14:30 |
| ayoung | Also, huge thanks to many people that helpd out... shardy EmilienM dprince all provided huge degrees of help | 14:30 |
| ayoung | a big lesson learned is that developers should work with things in HA configuration | 14:30 |
| shardy | ayoung: thanks for the update, good that you got a postive outcome :) | 14:31 |
| ayoung | since that is the expected deployemnt, you get something working without HA, it might be meaningless | 14:31 |
| ayoung | shardy, blog post with details. | 14:31 |
| ayoung | shardy, Oh, and I also got dynamic policy to work to. | 14:31 |
| ayoung | It was a good week for Tripleo/Keystone | 14:31 |
| shardy | ayoung: Ah, I'm drafting a blog post for you about the DeployArtifacts interface | 14:31 |
| jaosorior | nice! | 14:31 |
| shardy | did you get that working anyway? | 14:31 |
| ayoung | shardy, I did. I only did Keystone, but it would work for all of the services. | 14:32 |
| shardy | ayoung: Ok, well that's good news - I'll post the blog anyway as it's nearly done | 14:32 |
| ayoung | shardy, I might want to use the same approach for dpleoying the metadata for Fedraion | 14:32 |
| ayoung | its a cluster of files. The one thing I need to figure out is how to force a yum install of a module required first, or everything will reak | 14:33 |
| shardy | Ok, anything else on this before we move on? | 14:33 |
| ayoung | brek | 14:33 |
| * ayoung done | 14:33 | |
| ccamacho | shardy just added a blueprint draft to check what people think about that idea, we can discuss it later on #tripleo (not getting time from meeting) | 14:33 |
| shardy | ccamacho: You're next - the naked overcloud! :) | 14:33 |
| ccamacho | not sure if we have enough time | 14:33 |
| bnemec | Scandalous! | 14:33 |
| shardy | ccamacho: so, this is a followup from last week, where we discussed enabling less services by default? | 14:33 |
| ccamacho | yeahp | 14:34 |
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| shardy | I'm +1 on that, but as we discussed last week, we do need a CI matrix that provides coverage of services not enabled by default | 14:34 |
| ccamacho | its the idea in a blueprint | 14:34 |
| shardy | or they'll just be constantly broken | 14:34 |
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| ccamacho | ack, Ill keep elaborating on that | 14:35 |
| shardy | ccamacho: re actually enabling them, which I see you mention in the blueprint, see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330414/ | 14:35 |
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| ccamacho | The next part of the blueprint should be defining this coverage matrix | 14:35 |
| shardy | ramishra has heat patches for that, so we'll avoid having to map stuff to OS::Heat::None | 14:35 |
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| shardy | folks can help by pulling and testing his patches (it's also on my todo list) | 14:36 |
| EmilienM | ccamacho: as an FYI, there is this kind of matrix in puppet CI https://github.com/openstack/puppet-openstack-integration#description | 14:36 |
| marios | shardy: have a link to how that works (not using OS::Heat::None) | 14:36 |
| ccamacho | Ill add a note to my todo | 14:36 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351092/ | 14:36 |
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| shardy | marios: it's the spec link I just posted, and ^^ is the main patch implementing it | 14:36 |
| marios | thanks shardy | 14:37 |
| ccamacho | thanks | 14:37 |
| shardy | Ok, I think that's all of the one-off items | 14:37 |
| shardy | #topic bugs | 14:37 |
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| bnemec | Can somebody drop a link to ccamacho's spec? | 14:37 |
| shardy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/?orderby=-id&start=0 | 14:37 |
| ccamacho | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo/+spec/deploying-a-naked-overcloud | 14:38 |
| shardy | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/newton-3 | 14:38 |
| shardy | Does anyone have specific bugs to raise this week? | 14:38 |
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| EmilienM | ccamacho: excellent proposal | 14:39 |
| shardy | I think other than the sahara issues EmilienM mentioned earlier in #tripleo, the bug backlog looks OK | 14:39 |
| shardy | we still have a lot of stuff to land for newton-3 though, so please prioritize reviews to help burn down that list | 14:39 |
| EmilienM | shardy: right, and jaosorior has a fix | 14:39 |
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| EmilienM | shardy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352746/ | 14:39 |
| bnemec | ccamacho: Is there an actual spec? blueprints are really awkward to review (thus the spec process). | 14:39 |
| shardy | EmilienM: Ok, thanks for the update | 14:40 |
| * bnemec apologizes for being stuck on the previous topic | 14:40 | |
| ccamacho | bnemec, I'll change it then to a spec | 14:40 |
| EmilienM | well, it's a spec-lite | 14:40 |
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| shardy | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:41 |
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| shardy | So I didn't have time to propose stable branch releases last week, but I'll do that later today | 14:41 |
| shardy | and as mentioned, we're running out of time for newton-3, so please review all-the-things :) | 14:41 |
| shardy | anyone have anything else to raise re releases or backports? | 14:41 |
| shardy | #topic CI | 14:42 |
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| EmilienM | shardy: matbu and I are working on upgrade / update jobs | 14:43 |
| shardy | So, who can give an update re CI seeing as derekh isn't around? | 14:43 |
| shardy | EmilienM: excellent, I saw the ML discussion, sounds good | 14:43 |
| pabelanger | last I checked, everything was working in tripleo-test-cloud-rh1 | 14:43 |
| EmilienM | FYI, we renamed upgrades -> updades jobs | 14:43 |
| shardy | the main question I have is how do we do it within the infra timeout | 14:43 |
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| pabelanger | I also created: http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/nodepool-tripleo-test-cloud | 14:43 |
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| pabelanger | so people can visualize what the cloud is doing | 14:43 |
| marios | shardy: +1 | 14:43 |
| shardy | What's the status re RH1, do we have full capacity there now? | 14:44 |
| EmilienM | shardy: right now, we're still testing on multinode-nonha (aio overcloud), so i don't think we'll hit it | 14:44 |
| shardy | pabelanger: nice! :) | 14:44 |
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| pabelanger | right now it is setup to launch 50 nodes | 14:44 |
| bnemec | shardy: Not completely. I think we're still being limited to 50 envs on the infra side. | 14:44 |
| bnemec | Yeah, that. :-) | 14:44 |
| pabelanger | not sure what the actually hardware is | 14:44 |
| bnemec | The cloud is configured for up to 80 right now. | 14:44 |
| bnemec | That said, I'm a little concerned by the amount of CPU usage on the controller right now. | 14:45 |
| pabelanger | I also raised a discussion again about the future of tripleo-test-cloud-rh1, if people would like to get up to speed on it: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/101043.html | 14:45 |
| pabelanger | generate reaction is in favor of both, moving to 3rd party CI and running more openstack jobs on the hardware | 14:45 |
| shardy | pabelanger: thanks for that, I remember there was some heated debate on that topic last time ;) | 14:46 |
| pabelanger | shardy: indeed | 14:47 |
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| shardy | Ok, anything else re CI before we move on? | 14:47 |
| pabelanger | I'll continue my topic on the ML | 14:47 |
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| shardy | pabelanger: ack, sounds good, thanks! | 14:47 |
| shardy | #topic Specs | 14:48 |
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| shardy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open | 14:48 |
| shardy | getting near to the end of the cycle and there's still some stuff to land there, pls review if you have any free cycles | 14:48 |
| dprince | shardy: I posted a new spec for the undercloud heat idea as well | 14:49 |
| dprince | shardy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352113/ | 14:49 |
| shardy | dprince: nice, just spotted that | 14:49 |
| shardy | I liked the demo, will review the spec | 14:49 |
| dprince | perhaps more of an 'O' thing | 14:49 |
| shardy | dprince: Yeah, I think so, but good to start the discussion now | 14:49 |
| shardy | Related to that, I've already started deferring anything not started in launchpad to Ocata | 14:50 |
| shardy | please update the implementation status of your blueprints that are targetted to newton-3, so we can get a clear view of what's going to land and what might slip | 14:50 |
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| shardy | Anything else re specs to raise? | 14:51 |
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| shardy | #topic Open Discussion | 14:52 |
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| shardy | I had one thing - a few folks have been asking me for RFEs related to tripleo, particularly heat features we need or would like | 14:52 |
| bswartz | do you guys also own the triple-quickstart project? | 14:52 |
| shardy | I'll probably start a ML thread with an etherpad linked so we can track the wishlist there | 14:53 |
| bswartz | tripleo-quickstart* | 14:53 |
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| shardy | bswartz: There are a subset of TripleO folks who maintain it, yes | 14:53 |
| bswartz | but it's supposed to be stable, right? | 14:53 |
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| EmilienM | define: stable | 14:54 |
| bswartz | I tried it and had poor luck -- I didn't know if I should try something else or hack away at it | 14:54 |
| panda | bswartz: it should be stable. Any issue ? | 14:54 |
| panda | bswartz: ask us on #tripleo at the end of the meeting | 14:54 |
| bswartz | panda: it fails nondeterministically | 14:54 |
| bswartz | okay thanks | 14:54 |
| shardy | bswartz: It is supposed to be stable, but it isn't what we run in upstream CI right now | 14:54 |
| shardy | yup, lets discuss in #tripleo to figure out the issues, thanks panda! | 14:55 |
| shardy | Anyone else have anything to mention? | 14:55 |
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| shardy | Ok then, if that is all, we can wrap up early and head back to #tripleo | 14:56 |
| shardy | thanks everyone! | 14:56 |
| EmilienM | thx shardy ! | 14:56 |
| ccamacho | thanks guys!!! | 14:56 |
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| shardy | #endmeeting | 14:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 9 14:56:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:56 |
| beagles | cheers | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-08-09-14.00.html | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-08-09-14.00.txt | 14:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-08-09-14.00.log.html | 14:56 |
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| hongbin | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 9 16:00:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| mkrai | Madhuri Kumari | 16:01 |
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| hongbin | Thanks for joining the meeting strigazi vipulnayyar jvgrant muralia tonanhngo mjura hieulq_ mkrai | 16:01 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-08-09_1600_UTC Today's agenda | 16:01 |
| Drago | o/ | 16:01 |
| hongbin | Anything needs to be added to the agenda? | 16:01 |
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| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
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| hongbin | I have no announcement, anyone else has? | 16:02 |
| strigazi | We have https://hub.docker.com/r/openstackmagnum/ | 16:02 |
| muralia | nice | 16:02 |
| tonanhngo | +1 | 16:02 |
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| strigazi | hongbin egor and adrian are also owners | 16:03 |
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| strigazi | I didn't have anyone's else username or email | 16:03 |
| tcammann | Vaguely here, got a concurrent meeting. | 16:03 |
| yatin_ | +1 | 16:03 |
| hongbin | Thanks strigazi for acquiring this account | 16:03 |
| hongbin | If anyone else want to own this repo, feel free to ping strigazi offline | 16:04 |
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| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 16:04 |
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| hongbin | None | 16:04 |
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| hongbin | #topic Essential Blueprints Review | 16:04 |
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| hongbin | 1. Support baremetal container clusters (strigazi) | 16:04 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-baremetal-full-support | 16:04 |
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| hongbin | strigazi: ^^ | 16:04 |
| strigazi | k8s-atomic is ready be merged | 16:04 |
| strigazi | yuanting did great job | 16:05 |
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| strigazi | I helped but he deserves most of the credit | 16:05 |
| strigazi | I meant yunaying | 16:05 |
| strigazi | Testing swarn, it looks in good shape | 16:05 |
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| strigazi | that's all | 16:05 |
| garyduan | Hi Strigazi, do you have any plan to enable dc/os or mesos, swarm on baremetal | 16:06 |
| strigazi | mesos is next | 16:06 |
| strigazi | then coreos | 16:06 |
| strigazi | and then i'd love to add DC/OS | 16:06 |
| hongbin | The DC/OS is not even on VM yet | 16:06 |
| strigazi | any help is welcome | 16:06 |
| eghobo | hongbin: what do you mean? | 16:07 |
| tonanhngo | I think Jay is working on DC/OS | 16:07 |
| hongbin | Thanks strigazi | 16:07 |
| garyduan | Thank you for update, STrigazi | 16:07 |
| hongbin | eghobo: We have a BP to support DC/OS, but it is not implemented yet | 16:07 |
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| eghobo | got it | 16:07 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/mesos-dcos | 16:07 |
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| hongbin | 2. Magnum User Guide for Cloud Operator (tango) | 16:08 |
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| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/user-guide | 16:08 |
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| hongbin | tonanhngo: ^^ | 16:08 |
| tonanhngo | Not much to update this week. The Bay section was merged. Next I will do a round of update | 16:08 |
| strigazi | I added some notes on the whiteboard | 16:08 |
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| tonanhngo | to pick up on comments from Ricardo and Spyros that I missed, along with new changes and features | 16:08 |
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| tonanhngo | Thanks Spyros | 16:09 |
| tonanhngo | That's all I have | 16:09 |
| hongbin | Thanks tonanhngo | 16:09 |
| hongbin | 3. COE Bay Drivers (jamie_h, muralia) | 16:09 |
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| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/bay-drivers | 16:09 |
| hongbin | muralia: ^^ | 16:10 |
| muralia | I've made some more progress on this. I've moved all the stack creation, update and deletion methods to the common driver folder. | 16:10 |
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| muralia | im in the process of changing the entry points to load each drivers driver.py file | 16:10 |
| muralia | instead of the template_def.py file | 16:10 |
| muralia | i'll continue working on that and will have a patch soon | 16:11 |
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| hongbin | You finished? | 16:12 |
| muralia | yes, done | 16:12 |
| hongbin | Thanks muralia | 16:12 |
| hongbin | #topic Kuryr Integration Update (tango) | 16:13 |
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| hongbin | tonanhngo: ^^ | 16:13 |
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| tonanhngo | The Kuryr team did not have a meeting again last night, it seems the person from Japan is not available to host | 16:13 |
| tonanhngo | I think they will move the meeting time back to the morning slot for the other folks to join | 16:14 |
| tonanhngo | The Kuryr docker image is still not working, I saw several attempts to rebuild it but they failed | 16:14 |
| tonanhngo | apparently the code refactor is not completed. | 16:14 |
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| tonanhngo | I went back to the pre-refactor code to build my own Kuryr image | 16:15 |
| tonanhngo | got that working | 16:15 |
| hongbin | tonanhngo: Do you think Kuryr is stable enough to be integrated? | 16:15 |
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| tonanhngo | So with that, we do have Kuryr working with our Swarm bay | 16:15 |
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| tonanhngo | The code for libnetwork is stable, it's just the refactoring | 16:16 |
| hongbin | ok | 16:16 |
| tonanhngo | to accomodate the new CNI code | 16:16 |
| hongbin | It looks their refactoring breaks | 16:16 |
| tonanhngo | Yeah, the pieces are just not in place completely yet | 16:17 |
| tonanhngo | so for us, we can just use the older version | 16:17 |
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| tonanhngo | until they are done with refactoring | 16:17 |
| hongbin | sound good | 16:17 |
| tonanhngo | So now with the prototyping done, I will start the patches | 16:17 |
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| tonanhngo | I will put 2 images on the openstackmagnum account | 16:18 |
| tonanhngo | The Kuryr old image and the OVS agent image, for Fedora Atomic | 16:18 |
| tonanhngo | That's all I have for now | 16:19 |
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| hongbin | Thanks tonanhngo | 16:19 |
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| hongbin | #topic Other blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas | 16:19 |
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| hongbin | 1. Midcycle summarize | 16:19 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-newton-midcycle-topics | 16:19 |
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| Drago | Broken link | 16:20 |
| Drago | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-newton-midcycle-topics-restored-998 | 16:20 |
| hongbin | Since some people was not able to attend the midcycle, I want to take this chance to update all of you | 16:20 |
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| hongbin | Thanks Drago | 16:20 |
| hongbin | There are several important decisions in the midcycle | 16:20 |
| hongbin | 1. Rename bay to cluster | 16:21 |
| hongbin | and rename baymodel to clustermodel | 16:21 |
| tonanhngo | Did we open a blueprint on this yet? | 16:21 |
| jvgrant | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/rename-bay-to-cluster | 16:21 |
| hongbin | The old term "bay" and "baymodel" will still be valid for a while but deprecated | 16:21 |
| hongbin | Eventually, the old terms will be removed | 16:22 |
| hongbin | 2. Introduce the concept of "node-group" | 16:22 |
| hongbin | A cluster will have 2 node-group": master and minion | 16:22 |
| tonanhngo | Should we write a spec on this? since it's a major change. | 16:23 |
| hongbin | But users can add more node-groups to a cluster later | 16:23 |
| Drago | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/nodegroups | 16:23 |
| Drago | See the blueprint for a link to the spec | 16:23 |
| tonanhngo | Thanks Drago | 16:23 |
| Drago | I am currently drafting it with jvgrant | 16:23 |
| hongbin | The bay to cluster renaming and the adding of node-group are the most important decisions | 16:24 |
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| hongbin | There are several other decisions, which could be found in the etherpad above | 16:24 |
| hongbin | So far, any question/concern for the midcycle decisions? | 16:24 |
| rochaporto | is it an addition or a new api version? | 16:25 |
| garyduan | Hi, these 2 bps seems to big change. Do you have any plan or schedule on when to complete them? | 16:25 |
| garyduan | considering that it might impact the implementation of other features | 16:25 |
| hongbin | rochaporto: cluster will be introduced in v1, node-group might be introduced in v2 (I guess) | 16:26 |
| muralia | +1 | 16:26 |
| Drago | +1 | 16:26 |
| hongbin | garyduan: ASAP | 16:26 |
| hongbin | garyduan: Those two BPs should have the most priority | 16:26 |
| jvgrant | the bay to cluster change will be done in steps, i should have a patch out today for the new cluster api | 16:26 |
| jvgrant | they will use the same backend as the bay api's | 16:27 |
| strigazi | jvgrant: it's a patch in the client? | 16:27 |
| jvgrant | strigazi: doing the magnum-api first then the client, so i can use the new api's in the client | 16:27 |
| rochaporto | so bay to cluster renaming makes it to newton, but not nodegroups? | 16:28 |
| tonanhngo | We should stage the patches to avoid disruption. | 16:28 |
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| strigazi | if jvgrant's patch is only additions it's ok | 16:28 |
| tonanhngo | We do have users trying out Magnum, so it may create confusion | 16:28 |
| muralia | rochaporto: yes, will not be part of the newton release. | 16:29 |
| jvgrant | it will appear to be additions for users in v1 | 16:29 |
| jvgrant | all previous commands will continue to work as well | 16:29 |
| strigazi | I think it's ok | 16:29 |
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| hongbin | Any further concern/question? | 16:30 |
| rochaporto | feature freeze is aug 29th? | 16:30 |
| hongbin | rochaporto: I think we have a bit flexiable about the feature freeze date | 16:31 |
| hongbin | I will discuss with the team about when is the best date to freeze | 16:31 |
| rochaporto | sounds good | 16:31 |
| garyduan | It sounds that nodegroup features will be implemented in next release. Is it correct? | 16:31 |
| muralia | yes | 16:31 |
| hongbin | I think you can start the implementation in this release, if nothing is blocking | 16:32 |
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| hongbin | However, get everything done in this release is almost impossible | 16:32 |
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| hongbin | OK. Advance topic | 16:33 |
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| hongbin | 2. Enable usage of test account files by default (vipulnayyar) | 16:33 |
| hongbin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/magnum/+bug/1610186 | 16:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1610186 in Magnum "Use accounts.yaml file as default method to create users for functional tests" [Low,Triaged] - Assigned to Vipul Nayyar (vipulnayyar) | 16:33 |
| hongbin | vipulnayyar: ^^ | 16:34 |
| vipulnayyar | So, wanted to work on making use of accounts.yaml file default for functional testing. Especially for tests where tenant sharing is required. I'd suggest to have a read up on the bug description if you haven't already. Just wanted to parade this around to get suggestions, if any or some caveats to keep in mind. | 16:34 |
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| strigazi | Did any other project have similar issues? | 16:35 |
| strigazi | Can you describe a little the refactoring? | 16:36 |
| vipulnayyar | We use dynamic_credentials in functional tests generated by Tempest. All the users created have separate dynamic tenants. | 16:37 |
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| vipulnayyar | For tests requiring users in same tenant, we need to use accounts.yaml file. | 16:37 |
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| vipulnayyar | Ryt now use_dynamic_credentials is used as true implicitly | 16:37 |
| vipulnayyar | We need to use it as explicitly false. | 16:38 |
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| vipulnayyar | AS for refactoring, we just need to add pass a force_tenant_isolation parameter as True to Tempest credentials creation api | 16:38 |
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| tonanhngo | Is that the recommended approach for Tempest? | 16:38 |
| vipulnayyar | Based on the Tempest doc and api that I read, I believe it is the right approach. | 16:39 |
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| strigazi | link? | 16:39 |
| vipulnayyar | But couldn't find any recommended approacj | 16:39 |
| strigazi | to the doc | 16:39 |
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| vipulnayyar | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tempest/configuration.html#credential-provider-mechanisms | 16:40 |
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| tonanhngo | Maybe we should ask someone from the Tempest team to help review. | 16:41 |
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| hongbin | vipulnayyar: In which case, you would need the users from the tenant (which dynamic credential is not statisfied)? | 16:41 |
| vipulnayyar | Sure | 16:41 |
| strigazi | So it's addint pre-provisioned credentials? | 16:42 |
| strigazi | So it's adding pre-provisioned credentials? | 16:42 |
| hongbin | vipulnayyar: FOr example, which test cases you want to add? | 16:42 |
| vipulnayyar | I need it for bay deletion test by different users under same tenant | 16:42 |
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| hongbin | I see | 16:42 |
| vipulnayyar | The pre-provisioned creds would only be used for tests we require. For rest, we can pass tenant isolation parameter to Tempest cred creation api | 16:43 |
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| vipulnayyar | which would use dynamic credentials as always | 16:43 |
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| hongbin | OK. For me, it sounds reasonable approach | 16:44 |
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| vipulnayyar | I'll ask about this on Tempest, also | 16:44 |
| hongbin | Thanks vipulnayyar | 16:44 |
| tonanhngo | +1, they would have more expertise than us here | 16:44 |
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| hongbin | 3. Add OpenSUSE to Magnum (Michal Jura) | 16:44 |
| strigazi | update the ticket with more information, when you ask | 16:44 |
| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/100833.html | 16:45 |
| hongbin | mjura: ^^ | 16:45 |
| mjura | we talked about this already with strigazi | 16:45 |
| mjura | I'm going to move this change to contrib/drivers | 16:45 |
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| mjura | and adopt changes from comments which I've got already | 16:46 |
| mjura | thank you for code-review | 16:46 |
| tonanhngo | mjura: do you plan to support this driver for the long term? | 16:46 |
| mjura | tonanhngo: yes, this is our idea | 16:46 |
| muralia | mjura: +1. once the driver becomes stable, we'll move it to /drivers. | 16:46 |
| mjura | tomorrow I have also meeting with SUSE engineers | 16:47 |
| mjura | from containers team | 16:47 |
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| mjura | we would like to support it for long term as other OpenStack components | 16:47 |
| tonanhngo | +1 | 16:47 |
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| mjura | we did already demo about openSUSE driver and Magnum | 16:47 |
| mjura | everything works fine | 16:48 |
| strigazi | I think it's good to have a contrib driver, it will help us develop the dynamic mechanism for bay drivers | 16:48 |
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| mjura | yes, I'm happy to help with it | 16:48 |
| tonanhngo | muralia: is there a mechanism for users to pick up contrib drivers? | 16:48 |
| tonanhngo | (to load the driver) | 16:48 |
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| muralia | yes, we'll need to just add an entry point | 16:49 |
| mjura | muralia: if somebody would like to add new driver | 16:49 |
| mjura | he has to add it to entry points | 16:49 |
| tonanhngo | Maybe we should add that details to the user guide, if it's not there yet. | 16:49 |
| mjura | and adding this to magnum.conf to enabled_definitions is not enough | 16:50 |
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| muralia | yes, i'll update the user guide. mjura, lets chat once I submit my patch. this will be a good opportunity to test it. | 16:50 |
| strigazi | mjura: it didn't work? | 16:50 |
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| mjura | muralia: is this patch already submited | 16:50 |
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| muralia | not yet | 16:50 |
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| mjura | strigazi: entry_points has to be updated too | 16:51 |
| mjura | magnum.conf is not enough | 16:51 |
| strigazi | ok | 16:51 |
| mjura | I will include this in README file | 16:51 |
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| mjura | about installation | 16:51 |
| mjura | until tomorrow I will upload new patchset | 16:51 |
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| strigazi | cool | 16:51 |
| mjura | and I will be gone for one week | 16:52 |
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| mjura | so, no worries I will be back :) | 16:52 |
| strigazi | also cool | 16:52 |
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| hongbin | mjura: Thanks for your interest to contribute the driver to Magnum. I am looking for the new driver. | 16:52 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 16:53 |
| mjura | I thank you to everybody | 16:53 |
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| mjura | for support and comments | 16:53 |
| strigazi | Make the test coverage job voting (Spyros Trigazis) | 16:53 |
| strigazi | When a change decreases the test coverage we should not merge it. If we want to increase our test coverage we should stop adding code that decreases it. | 16:53 |
| mjura | yes, I'm big fan of Magnum and k8s | 16:53 |
| strigazi | thoughts? | 16:53 |
| muralia | do other projects do this too? | 16:53 |
| strigazi | yes | 16:53 |
| strigazi | rally | 16:54 |
| strigazi | gophercloud | 16:54 |
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| strigazi | haven't checked for others | 16:54 |
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| Drago | What about template changes? | 16:54 |
| strigazi | but I think makes sense | 16:54 |
| strigazi | I mean python code | 16:54 |
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| strigazi | I would like the same policy for templates too, but one step at a time | 16:55 |
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| tonanhngo | What if there is a major change and the patches are broken up into small pieces? | 16:55 |
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| strigazi | The tests should be broken in pieces as well | 16:56 |
| strigazi | When you write a function you also write a test function | 16:56 |
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| muralia | are we ready to make the job voting right away? or do we need to refactor and add more tests before we enable voting? | 16:57 |
| strigazi | I can modify the current job to report | 16:57 |
| muralia | ok. | 16:58 |
| strigazi | when the coverage decreases and then decide | 16:58 |
| muralia | i like that | 16:58 |
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| tonanhngo | Does the coverage test point to the function that fails the coverage? | 16:58 |
| strigazi | not sure what you mean, time is up | 16:58 |
| hongbin | 2 minutes | 16:58 |
| strigazi | Ton, can you elaborate | 16:59 |
| tonanhngo | we can follow up on the other channel | 16:59 |
| strigazi | ok | 16:59 |
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| tonanhngo | Thanks to the Rackspace team for hosting the midcycle, it was very productive in my opinion | 16:59 |
| strigazi | +1 | 16:59 |
| hongbin | Thanks | 16:59 |
| muralia | it was great meeting all of you. | 16:59 |
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| hongbin | All, thanking for joining the meeting. | 17:00 |
| mjura | +1 | 17:00 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 9 17:00:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-08-09-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-08-09-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
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| Nikolay_St | hi all | 17:01 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #startmeeting murano | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 9 17:01:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:01 |
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| Nikolay_St | hi all | 17:01 |
| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:01 |
| kzaitsev_mb | hi folks I'm back =) | 17:01 |
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| Nikolay_St | sorry, I need to skip todays meetinh :( | 17:01 |
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| osh | \o/ | 17:01 |
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| HoloIRCUser5 | O/ | 17:02 |
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| HoloIRCUser5 | O/ 😃 | 17:02 |
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| lexplua | o/ | 17:02 |
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| ddovbii_ | 0/ | 17:04 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | let's see if there were any AI's from the last meeting | 17:05 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | 1) vakovalchuk Talk to the horizon team to finish the bugfix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344871/ | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | just this one | 17:06 |
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| vakovalchuk_ | hi folks. sorry for being late | 17:06 |
| vakovalchuk_ | and my app on the phone refused to change the nick | 17:07 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | np =) I've just been trying to reasch you with other means ) | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so you had an AI from last time =) | 17:07 |
| vakovalchuk_ | the horizon team had merged that patch before I managed to talk to them :) | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | btw thanks for handling the meeting ;) | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | yay | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | yep, I think I've just updated my horizon without seeing the bug, so I was wondering if it's gone | 17:08 |
| kzaitsev_mb | good to hear that it is | 17:08 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok, our agenda for today is empty | 17:08 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so let's hop right int open discussion | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Open Discussion | 17:09 |
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| ddovbii_ | folks, I have a topic to discuss | 17:09 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I've actually wanted to discuss a couple of things (and I guess I should add them to our agenda next time to get more attention) | 17:10 |
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| ddovbii_ | last week I prepared a doc with my proposal to restructure murano-apps repo | 17:10 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ddovbii_: and you forgot to add the topic to agenda ;) | 17:11 |
| ddovbii_ | kzaitsev_mb, yep (( | 17:11 |
| kzaitsev_mb | can you share a link to the etherpad? | 17:11 |
| ddovbii_ | ofc | 17:11 |
| ddovbii_ | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/restructure-murano-apps | 17:11 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/restructure-murano-apps | 17:11 |
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| ddovbii_ | so folks, could you look at it and please share your thoughts | 17:13 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ddovbii_: why is bind on the murano-apps? | 17:13 |
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| ddovbii_ | do you think we should place it into separate repo? | 17:14 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ah it's needed by the clearwater, right? | 17:14 |
| lexplua | why not ? it's independent app | 17:14 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so demoting it to an example would be a bad idea | 17:15 |
| kzaitsev_mb | lexplua: because it brings little value on it's own and we can just say, that it's an example ) | 17:15 |
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| ddovbii_ | > ah it's needed by the clearwater, right? - yes | 17:16 |
| kzaitsev_mb | lexplua: basically the idea is to clean up murano-apps repo. Some apps are simple and have little value, other than examples — those would be deleted or would go to murano repo under examples directory | 17:16 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | 2) some apps are important, but small enough for a separate repo — we'll leave them in murano-apps and would let the murano-apps handle them | 17:16 |
| lexplua | Sure | 17:17 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | 3) and few are big enough to have repos of their own (namely k8s) — separate repo means independant release cycle, but also more responsibility and more effort to support | 17:17 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ddovbii_: I would keep ActiveDirectory in murano-apps (since murano and murano-apps teams currently do not have plans to develop and support it independently) | 17:18 |
| kzaitsev_mb | and I don't think we have a lot of Active Directory experts for that part ) | 17:19 |
| ddovbii_ | kzaitsev_mb, yes, you are right. also, maybe we should create separate repo for all dockerized little apps? | 17:19 |
| ddovbii_ | murano-docker-hub =) | 17:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | not really sure it's a good idea =) | 17:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | maybe a sub-directory in k8s suite repo? | 17:20 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | If I could — I'd rather keep 2 or 3 of them, since they're all the same, tbh | 17:21 |
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| ddovbii_ | in murano-apps? | 17:21 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ddovbii_: nope, those in k8s | 17:23 |
| ddovbii_ | hm | 17:23 |
| ddovbii_ | ok | 17:23 |
| kzaitsev_mb | in the k8s repository, I mean | 17:23 |
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| ddovbii_ | that others think? ;) | 17:24 |
| StanLagun | we should have example Windows apps. At least in order to see execution plan format because it differs | 17:24 |
| ddovbii_ | *what | 17:24 |
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| ddovbii_ | StanLagun, well this app is quite difficult. I'm not sure that we should put it to murano-examples. maybe let's leave it in murano-apps? | 17:26 |
| ddovbii_ | ActiveDirectory I mean | 17:26 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I'd also like to keep wordpress suite more or less intact, but actually it migth be ok to keep it in examples | 17:26 |
| kzaitsev_mb | StanLagun: noted in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/restructure-murano-apps | 17:26 |
| StanLagun | well then we should spend some time on a better windows example which might take more time :) | 17:27 |
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| ddovbii_ | we already have apache for linux. lets create some web server for windows =) | 17:30 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ddovbii_: so this leaves us with only 2 separate repos for murano apps (if we rule out AD) | 17:30 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I suggest you update the etherpad and we start implementing the changes ) | 17:31 |
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| ddovbii_ | kzaitsev_mb, yes. At least while the rest of the application is not started to rise =) | 17:32 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ddovbii_: lets start slowly, this would bring some attention both from murano-team and murano-apps-team =) In case anyone would want to iterfere ) | 17:33 |
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| ddovbii_ | agree | 17:33 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #agreed follow the plan described in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/restructure-murano-apps | 17:34 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok, thanks for doing this ddovbii_! =) | 17:34 |
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| ddovbii_ | no problem) | 17:34 |
| kzaitsev_mb | there should be a #thanks or #praise tag %) | 17:34 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok, I wanted to discuss a couple of things, but would probably leave it to ML/next meeting, to put that on agenda | 17:35 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #idea should we make gate-tempest-dsvm-murano-glare-backend voting | 17:35 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Given that glare is moving to a separate project — there would certainly be some transition period | 17:36 |
| kzaitsev_mb | i've pinged mfedosin and he promised, that the code would be intact, at least untill newton | 17:37 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | however last time it broke — it actually caught a bug | 17:37 |
| kzaitsev_mb | (that should be fixed now that 0.10.0 is out) | 17:38 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev_mb move discussion about gate-tempest-dsvm-murano-glare-backend (and upcoming CI jobs) voting to ML | 17:40 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | 2) I'm going to write another letter to see if anyone uses our congress and mistrall integrations | 17:41 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | the job was broken for quite some time and no one expressed any interest in it =( which makes me a bit sad | 17:42 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | but then again this might mean that we have some dead code, that no one uses and dead code == tech debt | 17:42 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I'd suggest to move the integration to contrib in the form of plugins (both congress and mistral), unless there is demand to use it in the current state from someone | 17:43 |
| ddovbii_ | +1 | 17:43 |
| kzaitsev_mb | if any of you guys know someone, who uses mistrall or congress integration in murano — pls ping them =) | 17:44 |
| kzaitsev_mb | while I'm going to ask on ML ) | 17:44 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev_mb ask on ML about congress/mistrall integrations and whether there are folks, who need/use them | 17:45 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok, that's all from my side | 17:46 |
| kzaitsev_mb | anyone of you folks has anything to discuss/ask? =) | 17:46 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok, I assome not ) | 17:49 |
| kzaitsev_mb | thanks everyone for joining today, going to end the meeting 10mins earlier to save you guys some time ) | 17:50 |
| kzaitsev_mb | see you in #murano | 17:50 |
| kzaitsev_mb | =) | 17:50 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #endmeeting | 17:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 9 17:50:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-08-09-17.01.html | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-08-09-17.01.txt | 17:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-08-09-17.01.log.html | 17:50 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 9 19:01:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| pvaneck | o/ | 19:02 |
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| andrey-mp | o/ | 19:03 |
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| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-08-09 | 19:04 |
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| catherineD | I guess we will have a samll group today | 19:05 |
| catherineD | small | 19:05 |
| catherineD | #topic DefCore Midcycle RefStack related discussion | 19:05 |
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| catherineD | #topic Introduce target_programs definition | 19:06 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: so the defcore team spend some time discussing this patch during the meeting | 19:06 |
| catherineD | the recomendation is to have both DefCore and RefStack team co-author this patch so that it will cover view from both teams ... | 19:07 |
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| andrey-mp | ok | 19:07 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: do you mind if Chris co-author this patch with you? | 19:08 |
| andrey-mp | I'm ready for comments (or additional explanation from DefCore) | 19:08 |
| andrey-mp | I don't mind | 19:08 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 19:09 |
| catherineD | The foundation is actually thinking about sometime of "mixin" target program ... hogepodge: can tell you more ... | 19:09 |
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| hogepodge | If we're going to do a major version bump of the guideline we want to try and build it to meet future goals | 19:10 |
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| catherineD | hogepodge: do you mind co-auther with andrey-mp: on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310621/ ? andrey-mp: do not mind for that | 19:10 |
| hogepodge | So we want to keep the idea of components, and break these out so they can be independently defined | 19:10 |
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| hogepodge | Then have a higher level abstraction of programs that are composed of components (in the case of major target programs), or can be defined to require other components (in the case of mixins) | 19:11 |
| andrey-mp | sure. with this scheme we can do it as I understand | 19:11 |
| hogepodge | As part of this, we would encourage big tent projects to start defining their own interoperability components. | 19:12 |
| hogepodge | I need to write up the design from the defcore mid-cycle | 19:12 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: hogepodge: may I suggest that you two work to gether and co-author the patch to make sure that it will meet the needs for both DefCore and RefStack team | 19:13 |
| andrey-mp | ok | 19:13 |
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| hogepodge | we're not just going to approve a major version bump in the defcore project without having gone through a design process, we did a lot of that work in the mid-cycle. So the patch is a good start | 19:13 |
| andrey-mp | here is an example of our EC2 guideline - https://github.com/cloudscaling/refstack-guidelines/blob/master/aws.json | 19:13 |
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| andrey-mp | (based on this scheme) | 19:13 |
| hogepodge | We also are going to require a lot of side materials to go with it, including documentation. | 19:13 |
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| andrey-mp | We thought that target_programs will define programs like compute, object store, or program that includes both | 19:14 |
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| andrey-mp | ok, I don't mind ) | 19:15 |
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| andrey-mp | scheme itself is not well documented | 19:15 |
| hogepodge | andrey-mp: if you want, I can submit a change on top of the patch that captures what we talked about in San Antonio | 19:15 |
| andrey-mp | sure | 19:15 |
| hogepodge | we can iterate on that | 19:16 |
| andrey-mp | it's good | 19:16 |
| catherineD | #action hogepodge: and andrey-mp: to work on new Guideline schema | 19:16 |
| catherineD | moving on to the next topic ... | 19:16 |
| catherineD | #topic Replace the term "certification" by "validated" | 19:17 |
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| catherineD | This is the recommendation from DefCore and Foundation | 19:17 |
| andrey-mp | ok | 19:18 |
| catherineD | moving on ... | 19:18 |
| catherineD | #topic Product model | 19:18 |
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| andrey-mp | this will be changed in spec first? | 19:18 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: yes.. | 19:19 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: on the last topic, we're doing that because certification has legal meaning that we don't want to imply | 19:19 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: thx ... | 19:19 |
| catherineD | #link See slide 6 & 7 of https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1btnlXcCoucjbmUNd18QoPK68UNuNLN9oFvUBWtYgATo/edit#slide=id.g162312dc03_1_36 | 19:19 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: thank for your review to the slides | 19:20 |
| catherineD | and post questions | 19:20 |
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| catherineD | question#1: Certification flag is used only for distro. Does DefCore want to certificate clouds (public or private) int the future? | 19:20 |
| catherineD | Answer: Certification (soon to be verification) flag is used only for all OpenStack Foundation defined products (distro/appliance, hosted private cloud, public cloud) | 19:20 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: I don't understand, why wouldn't it apply to public or private clouds? | 19:21 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: it does ... that is the question from andrey-mp: to us ... I just type the answer | 19:21 |
| andrey-mp | so, slide 6 should be changed? | 19:22 |
| catherineD | yes .. slide 5 is the database table model we have today | 19:23 |
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| catherineD | slide 7 is my suggestion to change ... that we can discuss here | 19:23 |
| sslypushenko | o/ | 19:23 |
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| catherineD | but before that I want to review slide 6 | 19:23 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: hi thx for joining .. we discuss slide 5 - 7 on https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1btnlXcCoucjbmUNd18QoPK68UNuNLN9oFvUBWtYgATo/edit#slide=id.g162312dc03_1_36 | 19:24 |
| catherineD | let's look at slide 6 | 19:24 |
| sslypushenko | Hi! got it) | 19:24 |
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| catherineD | As discussed in DefCore midcycle ... a product may have zero or many version ... | 19:25 |
| catherineD | For example: public cloud will have no version | 19:25 |
| catherineD | so the relationship from product to versio is 1 to 0..n | 19:26 |
| andrey-mp | i like definition that public cloud has one version always | 19:26 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD: It looks like Defcore should provide more clear vision in some kind of document. Because now it looks weird... a bit | 19:26 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: I know we like that ... but that is not what DefCore and Foundation's model | 19:26 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko: I am not sure what to say ... but everyone could have join the midcycle meeting? | 19:27 |
| hogepodge | andrey-mp: sslypushenko: it's not so much we say 'public has only one version' and 'distro can have many', rather it's an attempt to capture the variety of deployment models out there. Most public clouds don't advertise a version, but all distros do | 19:27 |
| sslypushenko | hogepodge: catherineD: it is clear... but the problem is that is not whole picture | 19:28 |
| catherineD | so giving the business model we need to model based on that | 19:29 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko: maybe hogepodge: could help with answering the whole picture questions? | 19:29 |
| sslypushenko | to many places looks unclear and it definitely not RefStack team zone of responsibility to fill these places | 19:29 |
| hogepodge | I have to understand the question | 19:30 |
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| andrey-mp | hodepodge - 1. is public clouds based on distro with specific version? | 19:31 |
| sslypushenko | Basically, I'd love to see Defcore's vision of business model | 19:31 |
| andrey-mp | 2. when public cloud introduce new service/functionality - how we can treat this process? | 19:32 |
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| hogepodge | andrey-mp: 1. that information is opaque to user, and it's up to the public cloud to report what they want to report | 19:32 |
| andrey-mp | I agree with ssplypushenko - I think that most of our question was discussed and documented | 19:32 |
| hogepodge | andrey-mp: 2. again, it's up to the cloud. if they want to version, they can. If they want to submit new test results that show the additional functionality, they can | 19:33 |
| andrey-mp | so it means that public (and private) clouds can have version too | 19:33 |
| hogepodge | I don't see how the vision isn't captured in the database model | 19:33 |
| hogepodge | andrey-mp: yes | 19:33 |
| andrey-mp | -> all product can have version | 19:34 |
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| andrey-mp | -> distro's must have version | 19:34 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: andrey-mp: I agree and would love to have document too ... but we should not stop because of no document | 19:34 |
| hogepodge | andrey-mp: or not if they don't want to. I don't care if they do or don't, and this model captures that | 19:34 |
| sslypushenko | hogepodge: it is really far from being captured | 19:35 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: from RefStack model ... all product will have at least one version ... for public cloud the version name can be blank | 19:35 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: we can do all. but withour clear vision we will re-do most code twice ) | 19:35 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: sslypushenko: Paull has added a prototype at http://refstack.mybluemix.net/#/ | 19:35 |
| sslypushenko | andrey-mp: actually not twice, it is our second try) | 19:36 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: where we can see it there? | 19:36 |
| catherineD | the vision for what we want to achieve is on http://refstack.mybluemix.net/#/community_results | 19:36 |
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| andrey-mp | whats new there? (I don't understand field 'status') | 19:37 |
| catherineD | that is the page and information we want to achieve ... the rest are supporting artifacts for us to get to display the information on this page | 19:37 |
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| catherineD | what is new is the additional information to this https://refstack.openstack.org/#/community_results | 19:38 |
| andrey-mp | vendor/product - it's ok. status/verified - what is it? | 19:38 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: status --> is the pass/fail based on the guideline version adn target program | 19:39 |
| hogepodge | andrey-mp: if OSF has marked a product as verified according to the board approved guideline | 19:39 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: verified is the previous certification column | 19:39 |
| andrey-mp | -> verified - is a flag that is set by foundation admin for specific test result ? | 19:40 |
| hogepodge | andrey-mp: yes | 19:40 |
| andrey-mp | ok | 19:41 |
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| sslypushenko | looks... strange | 19:41 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: sslypushenko: do you see the vision where we want to achieve for the newton cycle ? | 19:41 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: where pls? | 19:42 |
| sslypushenko | I don't think that 'verified' needs to be displayed by default | 19:42 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: no ) I see what we want in general but not to Newton | 19:42 |
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| sslypushenko | 99.99% results will be not verified | 19:43 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko: I am open for the ... hogepodge: your thought should we display the verified flag on the http://refstack.mybluemix.net/#/community_results page? | 19:43 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: that page is the specific target I would like RefStack to provide in the Newton cycle | 19:44 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD: I don't have strong opinion in this... maybe I lost some part of picture | 19:44 |
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| hogepodge | catherineD: sslypushenko: getting that flag set and visible to users is a major goal of this program | 19:44 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: correct 99% fo the results will not be certified | 19:44 |
| sslypushenko | answering on your question on RefStack is the answer is yes and no) | 19:44 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko: ? | 19:45 |
| hogepodge | so displaying it is important when showing the results, it's an immediate visual indicator of an important result, all the more important by the infrequency of it | 19:45 |
| catherineD | oh ..ic yes --> means verifed ... no means not verified | 19:46 |
| catherineD | maybe it is not intuitive with yes/no? | 19:46 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: your main goal is a new community_results page? | 19:46 |
| sslypushenko | hogepodge: I guess filter for displaying only certified results will be much more helpful for users) | 19:46 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: goal is to support displaying on those information on the community_result page .. | 19:47 |
| sslypushenko | As I already told - I don't have strong opinion on UI | 19:47 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko: sure, a filter is good too. I'd be happy with both | 19:47 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: support displaying - is an API efforts only ) but we need and displaying too | 19:48 |
| catherineD | #action Add feature to filter fetching of verified results | 19:48 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD: thx) | 19:48 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: this PoC have both API and UI ... | 19:48 |
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| hogepodge | andrey-mp: the community results page as it is right now has no information. It's random strings with links to actionable data, but you can't know if the data is important until you follow the link right now | 19:48 |
| catherineD | but the first thing we need to do is with the goal we want to achieve ... agree on data model | 19:48 |
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| catherineD | now that we know our goal we can go back and discuss the data model | 19:49 |
| andrey-mp | hogepodge: I agree that this page is not so informative | 19:49 |
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| andrey-mp | catherineD: I've asked about clouds (version and verified flag) because I want to understand how to make data model correctly | 19:50 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD: I meant it is clear that RefStack should move on in direction on aggregation test results data but from now it is clear that our try to align business and data models is going to fail | 19:50 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: sure sure ... pls do ask questions // | 19:50 |
| andrey-mp | I've asked - it was my first question | 19:50 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: why would it fail? | 19:51 |
| sslypushenko | data model becomes more and more complicated... it is sign that we are doing something wrong | 19:51 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: I think both hogepodge: and I answer that the verification is for all public cloud, distor, hosted private cloud | 19:51 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko: you can't say things like "it's clear that" without actually making an argument as to why. This model didn't come out of thin air, and we've offered an explanation of it, | 19:52 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: either we do something wrong or we are more aligne with reality? | 19:52 |
| sslypushenko | hogepodge: can you please provide a link on document with such explanation? | 19:53 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: the fact is foundation definition is a product may have zero or many versions ... it is up to us to model this definition | 19:53 |
| hogepodge | sslypushenko: These meeting minutes for starters? Exactly what do you want me to describe? | 19:53 |
| hogepodge | 1) A product can have one to many versions. | 19:54 |
| hogepodge | 2) A test result is associated with a version of a product. | 19:54 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: if so - how verified flag can be applied to clouds? (through the cloud? and cloud must have link to product? or to product+version?) | 19:54 |
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| hogepodge | 3) A version may have many test results. | 19:55 |
| sslypushenko | hogepodge: catherineD: don't get me wrong... I don't have clear understanding how we can fix current issues... Just want to share my feelings | 19:55 |
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| hogepodge | 4) The result of the test is what is verified by the OSF as meeting the requirements for the OpenStack Powered program. | 19:55 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: we do not have cloud table in RefStack ... all we have is product table ... so a public cloud is just a product (an entry in the product table) | 19:55 |
| hogepodge | 5) This is to capture many use cases, including required annual renewal of public clouds and required renewals of product version bumps | 19:56 |
| andrey-mp | hogepodge: is it right that test result can be associated with product+version of some Cloud? | 19:56 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: I understand ... that is why I would always like to have you on this type of discussion ... and I appreciate it very much! | 19:56 |
| andrey-mp | (I mean situation when product is a public cloud) | 19:57 |
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| sslypushenko | hogepodge: First of all we need to clarify all usecases we want to cover and goals we want to achive | 19:57 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: take a look at this page https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/public-clouds/ this are the public cloud product | 19:58 |
| hogepodge | andrey-mp: all products will have at least one version, even if the version identifier is empty, so yes. Because only one product can be associated with a version, the test result application is transitive. result -> version -> product | 19:58 |
| sslypushenko | and put it on some kind of spec | 19:58 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: that is exatly what I want to do here | 19:58 |
| catherineD | have this discussion then put them in a spec | 19:58 |
| andrey-mp | hogepodge: thanks | 19:58 |
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| catherineD | I could have put them on a spec first | 19:58 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD: that is good) | 19:58 |
| catherineD | I will add all we discuss here on the spec ... | 19:59 |
| catherineD | we are out of time | 19:59 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: this is slide 6. it assumes that test result linked only to cloud | 19:59 |
| catherineD | let's move to #refstack | 19:59 |
| catherineD | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 9 20:00:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-08-09-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| andrey-mp | (i'm there) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-08-09-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-08-09-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
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