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| edleafe | #startmeeting | 14:00 |
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| edleafe | doh! | 14:00 |
| openstack | edleafe: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 15 14:00:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Anyone here today? | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:00 |
| Yingxin | here | 14:00 |
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| woodster_ | o/ | 14:01 |
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| edleafe | Let's wait another minute or so | 14:01 |
| * edleafe notes that it's the height of summer vacation season | 14:03 | |
| * notmyname lurks | 14:03 | |
| edleafe | Hmmm... was waiting for jaypipes and cdent to discuss their specs/reviews, but neither is here | 14:04 |
| edleafe | So let's move straight to Opens | 14:04 |
| edleafe | #topic Opens | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Opens (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:04 | |
| edleafe | Nothing on the agenda | 14:04 |
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| edleafe | Is there anything anyone wants to bring up? | 14:05 |
| Yingxin | edleafe: I removed the "preference" part in the spec "request standardized caps"... | 14:05 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: hey, sorry, was fixing up a patch... here now. | 14:06 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: yes, thanks | 14:06 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: Yingxin i'm also thinking we need API to tell user which preference caps they got | 14:06 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: with caps tied to flavors, that would have been impossible to implement | 14:06 |
| Yingxin | alex_xu: just see your comments | 14:06 |
| Yingxin | edleafe: got you | 14:06 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: once we can break the reliance on flavors, we can consider preferences | 14:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so we do already have most of these options somewhere, its just an ad hoc mess right now | 14:07 |
| edleafe | welcome, jaypipes! | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: right. | 14:07 |
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| * alex_xu is thinking whether he miss something...why preference part removed.... | 14:07 | |
| jaypipes | alex_xu: I'm also wondering the same thing. | 14:08 |
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| edleafe | because of the 1:1 need for flavors | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | I get building out the basics, then adding in the extra bits later, but we need preferences, long term | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: sorry, what do you mean by 1:1? | 14:08 |
| edleafe | Each combination of preferences would require a distinct flavor | 14:09 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: I don't see how continuing to use the flavor as some thing that Nova uses to describe "templates for instances" means that preferences cannot be a part of the placement REST API. | 14:09 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: right, agreed, but that's a different problem than the problem we're trying to solve with capabilities, which is a standardized way of representing the qualitative side of the launch request. | 14:09 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: I'm all for preferences in a request | 14:10 |
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| edleafe | I just don't believe that those can be expressed adequately with flavors | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: I think the flavor concept introduces a rigidity that isn't ideal, but again I think that's a separate problem we need to solve. That problem is something to solve in Nova. The problem we're trying to solve with the capabilities stuff is a problem that needs to be solved in the placement API. | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: agreed? | 14:11 |
| edleafe | sure | 14:12 |
| edleafe | but that's not what we were discussing | 14:12 |
| edleafe | It was the Nova API | 14:12 |
| edleafe | not placement | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: +1 treat flavor as a request template, ish | 14:12 |
| alex_xu | may I ask why user want to preferences caps, what kind of case user don't care whether he can get specific caps.... | 14:12 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: I'm misunderstanding something then.. | 14:13 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: when a capability would be nice to have, but not essential. I'd prefer SSD, but I'd rather have spinning disk than have the request fail] | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | do you have the link to the spec, feels like I am thinking about a different spec | 14:14 |
| Yingxin | johnthetubaguy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351063/ | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, thanks | 14:14 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351063/ | 14:14 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: if user can get sdd or spinning disk with same price, why not just get sdd for me | 14:14 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: even if they're different prices | 14:15 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: if user get sdd or spinning with different price, if user really require sdd, why just save the money... | 14:15 |
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| edleafe | I might be willing to pay for the nice stuff, but I don't want to fail if I can't get it | 14:15 |
| alex_xu | s/if user really require sdd/if user really didn't require sdd/ | 14:16 |
| alex_xu | s/sdd/ssd/.... | 14:16 |
| edleafe | anyway, that's a different discussion. | 14:16 |
| edleafe | require is one thing; prefer is another | 14:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Yingxin: it feels like some nice "real" use cases for several combinations will really help us here | 14:16 |
| edleafe | Anyway, the spec deals with the Nova API, not the placement API | 14:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I assumed, long term, you would have per boot request, in the flavor and in the image requests and caps | 14:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so an image has some requirement, also an image is known to run best when it has X | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | your app might be the same, i.e. per boot request | 14:18 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: long term I'd like to see flavors for the quantitative part of the request only | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | some set of hardware might be the same, i.e. a flavor | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: -1 that, that should be an option, but others want more than that | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | but I don't think we should fix this all at once | 14:18 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: we're not (hence "long-term") :) | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep, I am just thinking how we would roll this out slowly | 14:19 |
| edleafe | We want to add capability *requirements* to flavors | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess thats why we look at flavor first? so we can deprecate the use of extra specs | 14:19 |
| edleafe | and then have a way for nova to express that to the placement API | 14:19 |
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| alex_xu | +1 deprecate the use of extra specs :) | 14:20 |
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| edleafe | Yeah, even the name says "this is an ugly hack" | 14:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I don't want an API thats an ugly hack, if I am honest | 14:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | now adding an incomplete bit of the full story, is cool | 14:21 |
| Yingxin | edleafe: I meant to build up qualitative part of request of placement service in the spec... | 14:21 |
| Yingxin | edleafe: there is a section | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | apologies all, pooter died :( | 14:21 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: The REST TODO? | 14:22 |
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| Yingxin | edleafe: "Build up qualitative part of request in the request_spec object" | 14:22 |
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| edleafe | Yingxin: yes, that's the part I am strongly in favor of | 14:23 |
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| edleafe | Let's grab jaypipes before his computer dies again :) | 14:24 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs and Reviews | 14:24 |
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| edleafe | So Jay, want to discuss either the RT cleanup or os-caps? | 14:25 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: RT cleanup is almost done. couple remaining unit test patches to merge. dansmith already +2'd. once those land, I'll push the patches for the delete of test_resource_tracke.rpy and renaming test_tracker -> test_resource_tracker. | 14:25 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: in English, the 'u' can have two sounds: 'oo' and 'yoo' | 14:25 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: I'm responding via email to alaski on the os-caps thing about naming. | 14:26 |
| edleafe | Good, I saw the DNS comment :) | 14:26 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: ah, got it | 14:26 |
| jaypipes | alex_xu: lol, sorry about my slang "pooter" term... | 14:26 |
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| alex_xu | jaypipes: np, happy to learn one more word | 14:27 |
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| jaypipes | alex_xu: well, it's not really a word :) | 14:27 |
| jaypipes | alex_xu: it's just me being silly. | 14:27 |
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| alex_xu | ok... | 14:27 |
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| edleafe | alex_xu: 'pooter' is a word, but it means someone who is farting | 14:27 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: really? | 14:28 |
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| edleafe | Yes, but I think we're getting off-topic just a bit | 14:28 |
| alex_xu | yea | 14:28 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: since cdent isn't around, are there any blocks regarding the placement API development work? | 14:29 |
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| jaypipes | lol | 14:29 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: no, just reviews on his stuff to do. he'll be back tomorrow. | 14:29 |
| edleafe | ok, great | 14:29 |
| edleafe | Any other specs or reviews to discuss? | 14:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | does the usual etherpad carry the best hit list of stuff to go and review still? | 14:30 |
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| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: dunno, haven't checked it in a while | 14:31 |
| * edleafe relies on lots of browser tabs | 14:31 | |
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| johnthetubaguy | finding it hard to keep track of all the different threads, etherpad updates are good as we get close to the wire | 14:32 |
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| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: +1 | 14:32 |
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| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: I'll go through the scheduler stuff today | 14:33 |
| edleafe | updating as needed | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | that would be awesome, thank you! | 14:33 |
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| edleafe | #action edleafe to ensure priority etherpad is up-to-date | 14:33 |
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| edleafe | So... anything else before we adjourn? | 14:34 |
| jaypipes | edleafe, alex_xu, Yingxin, alaski: so, I've proposed using the term "capabilities" to describe alaski's actions/policies things and the term "traits" to describe the adjectives/attributes of a provider of some resource. | 14:35 |
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| jaypipes | I think those two terms align best with the meaning for these different things that we are trying to convey. | 14:35 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: so os-traits? | 14:36 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: yeah | 14:36 |
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| * edleafe senses a bikeshedder's paradise coming up... | 14:37 | |
| jaypipes | hehe | 14:37 |
| jaypipes | it's what we do, ed. | 14:37 |
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| Yingxin | short is good to me, at least | 14:37 |
| alex_xu | anyway I trusted you guys :) | 14:37 |
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| alex_xu | Yingxin: yea, sometime I failed to read 'capabilities', | 14:38 |
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| edleafe | So let's fight over naming on the ML | 14:39 |
| edleafe | Anything else? | 14:39 |
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| edleafe | OK, thanks everyone! | 14:40 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 15 14:40:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-08-15-14.00.html | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-08-15-14.00.txt | 14:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-08-15-14.00.log.html | 14:40 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 15 15:01:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| ihrachys | hi all. | 15:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:01 |
| electrocucaracha | Hey | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | let's grasp who's with us today | 15:01 |
| ankur-gupta-f | hi Ihar | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s and korzen are having some holiday | 15:01 |
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| * electrocucaracha is in the airport | 15:02 | |
| ihrachys | are we three? | 15:02 |
| * ihrachys waits some more for more folks to pop up | 15:02 | |
| asingh | hey | 15:02 |
| ankur-gupta-f | we also have newcomers Shashank, Nakul, Aradhana, Sindhu as well | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: | 15:03 |
| sindhu | Hi ihrachys | 15:03 |
| sshank | Hi Ihar. This is Shashank. | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | hi all | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's run the meeting, probably a shorter one | 15:03 |
| ndahiwade | Hi All, Nakul here | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam Agenda | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | I have nothing specific, just a usual note that we are approaching N-3 (end of this month) | 15:04 |
| manjeets_ | 0/ | 15:04 |
| ankur-gupta-f | ihrachys: goal is to have P1 by N-3 correct | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | also, some of us will be on the midcycle meetup that starts tomorrow, and will cover upgrade questions | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | ankur-gupta-f: P1 as in ports/networks/subnets? more or less yes | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | ankur-gupta-f: but we are free to land more, it's ongoing work | 15:05 |
| manjeets_ | ihrachys, would that be possible to attend that midcycle virtually ? | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: I think other folks were raising the question on a previous neutron team meeting | 15:06 |
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| ihrachys | I think it was Sukhdev, but I remember HenryG was there too | 15:06 |
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| ihrachys | HenryG: do we have online participation option for the midcycle? | 15:06 |
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| sindhu | In the last meeting, someone shared this: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Conferencing | 15:08 |
| sindhu | I don't know if this works | 15:08 |
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| ihrachys | ok, I guess we would need to follow up with HenryG ofline. | 15:08 |
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| ihrachys | sindhu: yeah, it's not just infrastructure; someone should actually know how to run it. | 15:09 |
| manjeets_ | ok, ihrachys looks like port ovo (introduction) is close | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | we will try to keep people updated via emails and irc anyway. | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: actually, I believe both are, for the specific needs that push-notifications have for us | 15:10 |
| manjeets_ | and I have a question how we gonna deal with joins ? | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: because some things are not really interesting to agents, like tags | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | or whether rbac works | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | so I dropped most of crust that is not in scope for P1 out of networks object. The result is: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269658/ | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | but let's get to it later :) | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | #action manjeets_ to follow up with HenryG on teleconferencing option for midcycle | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:12 |
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| ihrachys | I don't think much changed in this regards, we are still waiting for needed devstack patches to land to proceed with linuxbridge job | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | specifically, we wait for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346282/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345707/ | 15:13 |
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| ihrachys | we probably need someone like sc68cal to get back to those | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's move on | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:14 |
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| ihrachys | so for objects, indeed we focus on delivering object definitions for subnets/networks/secgroups/ports for push-notifications feature | 15:14 |
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| ihrachys | subnets are in tree, same for secgroups I think | 15:14 |
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| ihrachys | networks: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269658/ and ports: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351368/ | 15:15 |
| manjeets_ | is security group implementation complete ? | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: definitions, yes: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351101/ | 15:15 |
| manjeets_ | I thought its just object for sg but integration is pending | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | it's not integrated into db code | 15:15 |
| manjeets_ | ok | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | yes, what we focus on for push-notifications, it's all about definitions | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | people interested in adoption patches should rebase those pieces on what we have for definitions, and proceed the work as stacked | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | I hope we land ports and networks patches in due course | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | while some of us work on delivering that, others work on preparing tree for more objects | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | there are two pieces there: rearranging the objects subtree as per discussion in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352577/ | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | ankur-gupta-f: I think we want to make decision on that one and respin if needed | 15:18 |
| ankur-gupta-f | agreed | 15:18 |
| ankur-gupta-f | I am still for moving all objects and extensions into their own directory | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | there are two options to go: one is to put all extension objects into the module that contains corresponding core resource | 15:18 |
| ankur-gupta-f | keep only base and the README in the root | 15:18 |
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| ihrachys | another one is keeping each piece split (port security separate from port separate from allowed address pairs) | 15:19 |
| manjeets_ | ihrachys, I guess we can get that patch ready and start following design from beginning for rest of objects | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: right. plus reshuffle existing ones when we can do it without breaking others' work | 15:19 |
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| manjeets_ | I mean dir structure because refactors are always tricky | 15:19 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | ihrachys: base common_types README and init should be the only files in the root dir | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | what is the benefit of split? | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | I find that most of the times when I do a change to e.g. AllowedAddressPair, I need to do corresponding changes to Port | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | and keeping both in a single module helps me to walk thru all the relevant code instead of browsing a directory. | 15:22 |
| electrocucaracha | I was thinking that could be useful during development phaae | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: that - which option | 15:22 |
| ankur-gupta-f | Well for 1. Splitting and keeping object definitions and files separate would be easier for development because it would lead to less merge conflicts | 15:22 |
| ankur-gupta-f | since so many of us are touching the same files | 15:22 |
| ankur-gupta-f | I saw a patch with 4 object definitions in the same file. Combining all of it into one file does no benefit. It just means if anyone else needs to touch it, it will cause complications | 15:23 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | specifically https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338625/4/neutron/objects/quota.py | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | ankur-gupta-f: I think the only real benefit in terms of git conflicts is when it comes to changes to import sections | 15:24 |
| ankur-gupta-f | So hold off on splits for now? But we still should enforce a specific dir organization/tree | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | ankur-gupta-f: well, the file you referred to, it's actually a neat one, because I have all relevant definitions in a single file, so I can grasp what's available to me for quotas. | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | ankur-gupta-f: I personally find java style of putting each class in a separate file despicable. but maybe it's just me. | 15:26 |
| ankur-gupta-f | haha. Maybe thats my Java history coming in.. | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | ankur-gupta-f: at least I believe whatever is chosen, we should keep consistency with arrangement of models in neutron/db/models | 15:26 |
| * manjeets_ is not a java fan | 15:27 | |
| electrocucaracha | +1 | 15:27 |
| ankur-gupta-f | ihrachys: so what is the final verdict? | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | btw I think we landed it, sec, searching for the patch for model tree structure | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | that one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351438/ | 15:27 |
| ankur-gupta-f | right. | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | so it says "We have decided to move all models definitions to neutron/db/models/ with no futher nesting after that point" whatever it means | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | it may be interpreted like each model going into a separate file too | 15:28 |
| electrocucaracha | Without subfolders? | 15:28 |
| manjeets_ | may be i'll add a note in that to categorize | 15:28 |
| ankur-gupta-f | right so there wouldn't be neutron/db/models/network neutron/db/models/subnet | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | but since models are interrelvated (like ip allocation referring to a port, and port referring to a binding), it may be not ideal | 15:29 |
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| ihrachys | ankur-gupta-f: right. my reading of that was that we will have neutron/db/models/port.py and neutron/db/models/network.py | 15:29 |
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| ihrachys | but then, it does not answer whether allowed address pairs have their own file, or put into port.py one | 15:29 |
| ankur-gupta-f | ihrachys: So lets enforce the nested structure for objects, but not worry about the splitting. | 15:29 |
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| ihrachys | ankur-gupta-f: like neutron/objects/port/port.py containing everything? | 15:30 |
| manjeets_ | ihrachys, do we need to move models in db/models_v2 ?? | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | ankur-gupta-f: give an example, it may help | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: I think so, yes | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: eventually | 15:30 |
| ankur-gupta-f | ihrachys: objects/network for one. Like listed in the README in that patch that is in question | 15:30 |
| manjeets_ | i think they are better as they are now but to have centralized structure we may end up doing that | 15:31 |
| ankur-gupta-f | the base network.py file is in /objects/network/, but all the network extensions are in objects/network/extensions | 15:31 |
| ankur-gupta-f | objects/subnet/ would contain subnet.py and subnetpools.py | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | ankur-gupta-f: subnetpools are first order resources | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | I think they are loosely related to subnets | 15:33 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | well then... :| | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | ankur-gupta-f: so the point is, from objects perspective, there are no extensions, they are strictly defined as containing whatever extensions may add to core resources | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | ankur-gupta-f: f.e. we don't have a port object without a security group | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | such a port is merely a port object with secgroup_id = None | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | same for other extensions | 15:34 |
| ankur-gupta-f | okay. Lets leave for now then until we have a better picture once the P1 objects land | 15:35 |
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| ihrachys | ankur-gupta-f: ok. let's think on it a bit more and follow up in gerrit. | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | I noticed a lot of patches that move models around. | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | first thanks for that everyone! | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | second, we need to land them tactically not to piss off others with git conflicts | 15:36 |
| manjeets_ | yea too many conflicts on them now | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | once we will land P1 bits I will get back to those to see what we can land more or less safely | 15:36 |
| ankur-gupta-f | ihrachys: +1. | 15:36 |
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| manjeets_ | ok l3 is always hot thing | 15:37 |
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| manjeets_ | it will always have conflicts | 15:37 |
| ankur-gupta-f | ihrachys: our team will be taking on lots of p2 and other objects and models in the next month of so. But P1 models and objects should be priority to merge before the rest | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | now that we have a high number of new contributors, we may need to rethink how we track things. | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | I for one feel like a bottleneck at times | 15:38 |
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| ihrachys | you probably noticed that I am not that responsive these days :) | 15:38 |
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| ihrachys | I noticed electrocucaracha prepared a nice google doc to track ovo progress: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/101580.html | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FeeQlQITsZSj_wpOXiLbS36dirb_arX0XEWBdFVPMB8/edit#gid=1434170112 | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | I think the format is worthy | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | that should help us to understand where we stand | 15:39 |
| ankur-gupta-f | Yes, much better than the Etherpad haha | 15:39 |
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| ihrachys | I would really love if some of coordination work could be taken by someone in the team, maybe someone from the new folks | 15:40 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | ihrachys: what are your thoughts on also adding review URLs to that doc | 15:40 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | electrocucaracha: is coordinating all the newcomers on our side | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | for one, it would be cool to see someone spearheading and monitoring model moves, getting them in shape and then reaching out those with core permissions when it's ready. | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | ankur-gupta-f: I think it's good to add review links, yes. | 15:41 |
| manjeets_ | ihrachys, I can do a initial review on those model moves | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | ankur-gupta-f: yeah, I was thinking electrocucaracha could help with coordination. | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: great. an initial review would be of much help. we should specifically look at whether what's proposed reflects the README that we landed, and whether deprecation is handled as expected. | 15:42 |
| ankur-gupta-f | ihrachys: done. Thanks Victor for volunteering to spearhead the models effort | 15:42 |
| manjeets_ | yea thats what i'll make sure first | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | ankur-gupta-f: not sure he volunteered, but yeah, he has no choice lol | 15:42 |
| dasm | ihrachys: ++ | 15:42 |
| dasm | :D | 15:42 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets_: once you have identified bits that we can land, reach out me and others so that we can fast track | 15:42 |
| manjeets_ | sure | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: thanks a lot for taking on the challenge :) | 15:43 |
| ankur-gupta-f | sindhu: dasanind: sshank: ndahiwade: please add your Gerrit URLs to the models/creation/integration patches you have up to the Google Doc. in a clean manner "In Progress(sindhu) -- http://blahblahblah/#1231231" | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | with P1 work ongoing, we should not forget about database adoption patches. after the midcycle, I will get back to setting inventory list so to speak of what we already have, to see where to proceed next. | 15:44 |
| manjeets_ | keep ovo and model patches (links) separately organized | 15:44 |
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| ihrachys | we may want to identify more independent 'tracks' in the process and find more willing folks to help with coordination. | 15:44 |
| manjeets_ | i have port dns and network dns ready which mlavalle will be doing end to end testing | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | for one, there is a separate topic of database adoption code; there is api layer work that jschwarz started to capture in some patches; there is probably more. | 15:45 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | along the coordination line, is the Open Discussion Topic I brought up about Commit Messages and Names | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: cool! you may need to rebase the patch onto port patch I have because I 'stole' the object from you so there will be conflicts later on. | 15:46 |
| manjeets_ | I am waiting for your patch to get in It will be quick rebasing afterwards | 15:46 |
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| ihrachys | ankur-gupta-f: ok, what's the proposal? | 15:46 |
| ankur-gupta-f | So right now the Commit Messages are a little scattered | 15:47 |
| ankur-gupta-f | Discuss about certain format for Commit Message to avoid potential overlapping work, like: "Introduce OVO *item*; Refactor *item* DB Model | 15:47 |
| ankur-gupta-f | So | 15:47 |
| ankur-gupta-f | i.e. | 15:47 |
| ankur-gupta-f | for Subnet | 15:47 |
| manjeets_ | i think the messages are already clear | 15:48 |
| manjeets_ | ankur-gupta-f, | 15:48 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | "Introduce OVO Subnet" "Refactor Subnet DB Model" "Integrate Subnet Object" | 15:48 |
| manjeets_ | its relocate *** db model | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | ok. I find topics a better mechanism to track patches of the same 'track', but if folks feel that commit message consistency would help, I am fine with setting rules. | 15:48 |
| manjeets_ | as HenryG suggested | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | ankur-gupta-f: it should be 'relocate' not 'refactor' | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | ouch what manjeets_ said :) | 15:48 |
| ankur-gupta-f | yea relocate | 15:48 |
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| manjeets_ | all relocate patches have topic of bug (let me get the link in a moment) | 15:49 |
| ankur-gupta-f | I bring it up because prior to the doc our newbies picked up objects | 15:49 |
| ankur-gupta-f | then realized someone had already done them | 15:49 |
| ankur-gupta-f | but under a poor commit message | 15:49 |
| ankur-gupta-f | and not attached to topic or the bug | 15:49 |
| manjeets_ | bug/1597913 | 15:49 |
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| ihrachys | right, https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1597913 | 15:50 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | Also when searching on gerrit. It will be easier to parse through the all the patches if there is a common commit message | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | I generally agree that consistency should be in place | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | let's just apply it naturally, not immediately going thru the list and modify everything. | 15:50 |
| ankur-gupta-f | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/adopt-oslo-versioned-objects-for-db | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | I believe folks should catch up | 15:50 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | So we in agreement then. Consistent Commit messages | 15:51 |
| ihrachys | but as for tracking matters, topics are very important, we should set them if they are not in place. | 15:51 |
| sindhu | Also, should the object creation and integration be in the same patch? | 15:51 |
| ihrachys | ankur-gupta-f: I think yes, I just prefer 'should' instead of 'must' when it comes to commit messages. I don't want to -1 due to that, but suggestion? yeah, why not. | 15:51 |
| ihrachys | fyi I try to keep the following format for introduction patches "Introduce ovo objects for ports" | 15:52 |
| manjeets_ | sindhu, it can be separated if objects is complicated | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | sindhu: in long term and ideally, it should go together, but tactically, we may change it. | 15:52 |
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| ihrachys | sindhu: what manjeets_ said, if they are themselves a significant piece of work, or when we need to land them earlier, like in case of push-notifications right now | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | ok, one thing that is not exactly OVO that I wanted to mention | 15:53 |
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| ihrachys | jschwarz is working on some patches that should solve some integration issues for objects. | 15:54 |
| manjeets_ | ok object db api ? | 15:54 |
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| ihrachys | specifically, when it comes to unknown filters being passed from api layer into plugins: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352809/ | 15:54 |
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| sindhu | Cool ... thank you :) manjeets_ ihrachys | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | as well as when it comes to plugins returning unknown attributes: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354046/ | 15:54 |
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| ihrachys | (the last one, like in case of object.to_dict() result directly returned irrespective of enabled extensions) | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | so, reviews are welcome | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | I may need to talk it through with other neutron team members on the midcycle because it seems there are some concerns, at least from armax | 15:55 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:56 |
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| ihrachys | I skipped 'other patches', but you can raise anything here if relevant | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | anyone has a quick topic for 2 mins we have? :) | 15:57 |
| manjeets_ | ihrachys, mlavalle was saying network dns and port dns does not have tempest tests | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: does that block us from objects work? or adoption? | 15:57 |
| manjeets_ | it could have been easy to test objects implementation if we had scenario test | 15:57 |
| manjeets_ | no | 15:57 |
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| manjeets_ | ihrachys, it does not block | 15:57 |
| manjeets_ | I just added a scenario test for networkdns | 15:58 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: ack. well, not until we actually hook the object I spinned up into the db code anyway. :) | 15:58 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: cool! link? | 15:58 |
| manjeets_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354447/ | 15:58 |
| manjeets_ | but need to figure out how do I enable dns-integration extension driver by default | 15:59 |
| manjeets_ | thats the reason it failed over gate | 15:59 |
| manjeets_ | it passes when extension is enabled | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | ok I will review it when I have time | 15:59 |
| manjeets_ | cool thanks ihrachys | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: we have gate hooks in api gate | 15:59 |
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| ihrachys | you put what you need at https://github.com/openstack/neutron/tree/master/neutron/tests/contrib/hooks | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | ding :-P | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | and then they are applied as in https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/tests/contrib/gate_hook.sh#L66 | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | sorry, we are out of time | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 15 16:00:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-08-15-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-08-15-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-08-15-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:00 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 15 16:01:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero, haypo | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for ihrachys, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for lifeless, lintan, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 16:01 |
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| rbradfor | o/ | 16:01 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:01 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | o/ | 16:01 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:01 |
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| ihrachys | harlowja_at_home: need to leave, sorry. neutron grafana looks ok, so you can release. :) | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ihrachys, :) thx | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:02 |
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| johnsom | Nothing here | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | red, yellow, green, blue flags from anyone? | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | or perhaps gold? | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:02 |
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| jecarey | 0/ | 16:02 |
| kgiusti | \o/ | 16:02 |
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| harlowja_at_home | olypmic spirit (and also funny reading https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/4xtae3/michael_phelps_announces_retirement_on_today_this/ ) | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | Only thing from Cinder is the new discussion on oslo.privsep logging levels on the mailing list. | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | jungleboyj, right | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | and nova and cinder + locking stuff | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | It looks like Ridemann is driving that. | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | Oh yes, that one too. Don't know the right answer there. | 16:03 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/101631.html | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | ^ privsep one | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/thread.html#101539 | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | ^ locking one | 16:04 |
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| harlowja_at_home | both are probably orange/yellow flags (not immediate critical issues) | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | feel free to read, comment, review :-P | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | Yes, I would agree they are yellow/orange. | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | the locking one may get bigger, tbd | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | (never ending locking issues, ha) | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Releases for newton | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | As for the logging it seems like reducing the logging for now is fine and we can work on making it configurable. | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | jungleboyj, right | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | anyone need a release of any oslo things? | 16:08 |
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| harlowja_at_home | although i'll probably talk with some glance folks before that release | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/periodic-glance-py27-with-oslo-master/0ac9ce4/console.html#_2016-08-15_06_21_59_336047 seems to be happening | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | (although looks like a unrelated issue) | 16:08 |
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| harlowja_at_home | oslo.messaging will probably need a release soon due to kgiusti and friends work | 16:09 |
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| kgiusti | I have friends? | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | otherwise i'll get out a 'release-all-the-oslo' today | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | kgiusti, hug | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:09 |
| * kgiusti aw shucks... | 16:09 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | also keep in mind folks | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | Aug 22-26 R-6 Final release for non-client libraries | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | thats next week :-P | 16:11 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so if u have things needing to merge, get er' done | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Reviews needing reviews/eyes | 16:11 |
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| harlowja_at_home | and on that topic | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | any reviews needing eyes on them to 'help' them merge? | 16:12 |
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| rpodolyaka | we are a bit short on cores in oslo.db, so if you could keep an eye on +2'ed patches to get them merged, that would be super cool | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | i also got one | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349683/ | 16:13 |
| kgiusti | The 'last' patch for amqp 1.0 work on the feature branch is here, just fyi: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349290/ | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | it'd be nice to get that taskflow one in, it helped during a lbaas debug session | 16:13 |
| kgiusti | Once that's done there will be a merge-back patch, so stay tuned. | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | woot | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | rpodolyaka, any specific reviews in oslo.db that u think are 'high priority' | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | (for some definition of high) | 16:15 |
| rpodolyaka | I'm currently going through the zzzeek's patch series | 16:15 |
| rpodolyaka | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352520/ is the one which already has +2 | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:16 |
| rpodolyaka | thanks! | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | np | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:17 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anyone want to talk about anything else | 16:17 |
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| harlowja_at_home | or bring anything else up? | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | or life in general | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | or ... | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:17 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, short meeting today | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, rbradfor everyone busy i guess | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | a few other things to bring up | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349070/ | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | ^ 'add ocata goal "remove copies of incubated Oslo code"' | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | and | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349069/ | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | ^ 'add ocata goal "support python 3.5"' | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx to dhellmann for pushing these onwards and upwards | 16:20 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, doug had talked about this a while back. I'd tried in Austin to see this a Newton goal. | 16:20 |
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| johnsom | I will likely not attend next week. We are having our mid-cycle | 16:20 |
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| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, ya its interesting how this community works with regards to these types of things | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | i wouldn't call it speedy :-P | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, where the mid-cycle at? | 16:21 |
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| johnsom | San Antonio @ Rackspace | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:22 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ok, all i hear is crickets | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:25 |
| * jungleboyj hears white noise generators | 16:25 | |
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| * rbradfor my printer toner just cycled | 16:25 | |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | okie dokie, to hear more voices i guess we can all jump in #openstack-oslo | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | quick meetings ftw (with not many issues, ha) | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 16:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 15 16:27:36 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-08-15-16.01.html | 16:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-08-15-16.01.txt | 16:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-08-15-16.01.log.html | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | Later. | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | peace | 16:27 |
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| dbite | #startmeeting training-labs | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 15 18:00:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dbite. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_labs' | 18:00 |
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| dbite | julen: Hi | 18:01 |
| julen | hi dbite! | 18:01 |
| dbite | It seems that Roger is late/busy. | 18:01 |
| dbite | So let's speak about backports | 18:02 |
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| julen | ok | 18:02 |
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| dbite | So basically what I do is cherry pick the given commit and then update the commit message with this Depends-On: <gerrit change ID> | 18:03 |
| dbite | Like this PR: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355240/ | 18:03 |
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| dbite | Did you try git cherry pick or rebase before? | 18:04 |
| julen | nope | 18:04 |
| julen | what is cherry pick? | 18:05 |
| dbite | ok, it is not that difficult actually. What it does is to take the given commit from one branch and apply it to another branch. | 18:05 |
| julen | rebase is for syncing the local code with the latest version, right? | 18:05 |
| dbite | Yes. | 18:05 |
| dbite | Cherry picking is similar to rebasing but with just one commit. | 18:05 |
| dbite | That commit could be from a random point in the history from another branch. But if there are merge conflicts, then you need to resolve them manually. | 18:06 |
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| dbite | julen: Next time there is a back port up coming, I'll help you with it or you could go through an online tutorial for the same. Its much easier than the UI testing or the PXE patch you wrote ;). | 18:07 |
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| dbite | Actually it should be insignificant in front of your work :D. | 18:07 |
| julen | wait.. so rebase syncs the whole patch and cherry pick just one of the updates to that pacht, right? | 18:07 |
| dbite | Yes, in a way. Instead of update we should call it commit. | 18:08 |
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| dbite | So its like the cleaner way of copying the changes (diff/patch) into the new branch and git does all the magic for you. It's actually as simple as one command and resolve the merge conflicts if any using the text editor. | 18:09 |
| julen | and, after resolving the conflicts manually, we can merge that code into the new branch, right? | 18:09 |
| dbite | Yes, so basically commit with --amend and for the gerrit workflow used by OpenStack, delete the change-id from older commit and then write the depends on tag as shown in the PR give above. | 18:10 |
| dbite | older/original | 18:10 |
| julen | aha... I think I understand now | 18:10 |
| dbite | awesome, lets move on. | 18:11 |
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| dbite | #topic parser | 18:11 |
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| dbite | It would be great if we could work on this together. | 18:12 |
| dbite | #link https://github.com/dguitarbite/rst2bash | 18:12 |
| julen | so, I just check for commits on Mitaka and ensure that they are also included on previous releases (if they apply), if not, cherry pick => fix => commit --amend to that releases branch | 18:12 |
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| dbite | julen: As of now the repository is well updated. What I would suggest is to review current patches and the fixes which are not release specific like to the library scripts, bug fixes should be backported. | 18:13 |
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| dbite | julen: I will also additionally make a commit in the patches for the starting to help you give some initial leads on which patches look interesting for the backports. | 18:13 |
| dbite | s/commit/comment | 18:14 |
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| julen | ok, I'll try | 18:14 |
| dbite | Awesome! | 18:14 |
| dbite | Parser ... :D | 18:14 |
| julen | so... what's the status of the parser? | 18:14 |
| dbite | Almost ready for initial testing. | 18:14 |
| dbite | I pasted the link above. | 18:15 |
| dbite | I am finalizing the datastructures for the same and then eventually make the code much cleaner from the status of barely working. | 18:15 |
| dbite | Rather from working code to beautiful pythonic code. | 18:15 |
| dbite | The later should also be working quite well ;) | 18:15 |
| dbite | So there are two things for the scope of the parser. | 18:16 |
| julen | that's good :) | 18:16 |
| dbite | First is testing part where we need to make sure that the bash commands which the parser vommits into a shell file is written as per our conventions. | 18:16 |
| julen | functionality and readability? | 18:16 |
| dbite | julen: Yes, both with added beauty ;). | 18:17 |
| dbite | Second one is to write and update the install guide syntax. | 18:17 |
| julen | well... shouldn't a "diff" with the current scripts do the job? | 18:17 |
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| dbite | Yes but to understand why the diff is not matching. | 18:18 |
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| julen | is the code on your git the one which is almost working already? it looks quite short... | 18:19 |
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| dbite | You make it sound really simple but this could be a lot of smart thinking work for understanding the issues underlying the parser. | 18:20 |
| * dbite Did I dc? | 18:20 | |
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| julen | and... aren't you supposed to make plenty of "per-line" hacks? | 18:21 |
| dbite | julen: No, | 18:21 |
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| dbite | we are not supposed to do such hacks. Otherwise this will not make much sense will it now? | 18:21 |
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| julen | but the rst is written in terms of "ifup IFACE_NAME" (so, one has to substitute the IFACE_NAME string with a variable... | 18:22 |
| dbite | Nope, we will add some inner logic to work around such conditionals. But that should be one of the simple things that we test and figure out a tacky solution for. | 18:23 |
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| julen | wow! that sounds really classy! :D | 18:23 |
| dbite | The aim should be to keep the install guides as it is ofcourse with some minor exceptions here and there. | 18:23 |
| dbite | :) | 18:23 |
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| dbite | anything else on this? | 18:24 |
| dbite | I will send you both an email once the parser is ready for testing. Then we should update the docs team with the same very soon. | 18:24 |
| julen | not really... just looking forward to testing it :) | 18:24 |
| dbite | ok | 18:24 |
| dbite | #topic anyotherbuisness? | 18:24 |
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| dbite | Wow, even with the DC I remain the meeting chair :D | 18:24 |
| dbite | Anything else on your mind? | 18:24 |
| julen | oh! before I forget... not sure about next week, but the one after (29th) I am definitely not available | 18:25 |
| dbite | Ok, no worries. Best of luck :). | 18:25 |
| julen | thanks :) | 18:25 |
| dbite | Another month and we have the meetings a bit earlier. Hopefully it is more comfertable for all of us with the winter timings. | 18:25 |
| julen | so... what about if I start by trying to backport the pxeserver patch to... Liberty? (for example) | 18:26 |
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| julen | winter timing? we are in August! :P :D | 18:26 |
| dbite | You could do it if you are upto the challenge but you may have to update a lot of things. Why don't you start with something simpler like the frontend testing patch first and then give PXE a shot? | 18:27 |
| dbite | I said another month :P | 18:27 |
| dbite | Ohh wait it is probably end of October ... for some reason this year's August does not exist for me!!! | 18:27 |
| dbite | So, frontend testing patch first and then PXE patch. How does that sound? | 18:28 |
| julen | well.. I guess there was not really summer in Germany this year... | 18:28 |
| julen | ok, I'll check that | 18:28 |
| julen | if you find some easy patch for me to start practicing, I'll appreciate | 18:29 |
| dbite | Well then, let's finish this meeting. Thanks for attending. See ya. | 18:29 |
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| julen | thanks to you too | 18:29 |
| julen | see you... | 18:29 |
| dbite | #endmeeting | 18:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 15 18:29:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-08-15-18.00.html | 18:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-08-15-18.00.txt | 18:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-08-15-18.00.log.html | 18:29 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 21:00 |
| pchadwick | hi Arkady | 21:00 |
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| MeganR | Hi | 21:00 |
| leong | o/ | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett | #startmeeting Product Working Group | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 15 21:01:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carolbarrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett | Hi Everyone | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett | Today's agenda is located here: | 21:01 |
| shamail | Hi | 21:01 |
| kei | hi | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett | Great to see everyone here and looking forward to seeing everyone next week in NYC! | 21:02 |
| kencjohnston | o/ | 21:02 |
| pchadwick | +1 | 21:02 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +2 | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | Let's get started we have a full agenda | 21:02 |
| MeganR | +1 | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | #topic OpenStack East Presentation Review | 21:02 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | readin presentation now | 21:03 |
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| carolbarrett | #link https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BxtM4AiszlEyekVwNDFYampwZGc&usp=sharin | 21:03 |
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| carolbarrett | Shamail and I are giving a talk on the State of Product Management on Wednesday AM | 21:03 |
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| carolbarrett | We'd like to walk through the slides with you all and get your help to make them better | 21:03 |
| pchadwick | sounds good | 21:03 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:03 |
| carolbarrett | You will find ppt and pdf versions of the slides in the google drive, they should be the same (formatting issues aside) | 21:04 |
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| carolbarrett | Can everyone access one of the files? | 21:04 |
| pchadwick | +1 | 21:05 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | slide 3. WHat is the rationale of managed private cloud gettinbg more frequent releases than upstream? | 21:05 |
| carolbarrett | I'd like to walk through the slides and get comments as we go. Our final version is due to the event team on the 18th. | 21:05 |
| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky - always ahead! | 21:05 |
| shamail | :) | 21:05 |
| carolbarrett | Any comment on slide 2? | 21:06 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | expect private cloud to be more conservative then public one | 21:06 |
| pchadwick | arkady_kanevsky: this is a recap of what was in the 2nd ebook | 21:06 |
| carolbarrett | OK - slide 3 | 21:06 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: slide 2 including title slide? | 21:06 |
| pchadwick | ;) | 21:06 |
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| carolbarrett | shamail: yes | 21:07 |
| pchadwick | 2&3 LGTNM | 21:07 |
| pchadwick | LGTM | 21:07 |
| shamail | Thanks | 21:07 |
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| carolbarrett | what's LGTM? | 21:07 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 on slide 1&2 | 21:07 |
| shamail | Looks good to me | 21:07 |
| pchadwick | looks good to me | 21:07 |
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| carolbarrett | of course! | 21:07 |
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| pchadwick | of course I have no idea what LGTNM means. | 21:07 |
| shamail | lol | 21:08 |
| carolbarrett | Slide 4: Shamail, do you want to walk through that one? | 21:08 |
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| shamail | Sure, slide 4 is there to set context on why we need multiple organizations, roles, etc to participate in user story creation | 21:08 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Love OSE color - true NYC | 21:08 |
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| pchadwick | And these two are just examples - correct? | 21:09 |
| carolbarrett | pchadwick: yes | 21:09 |
| shamail | I used actual topics we've discussed in PWG meetings (specifically the last midcycle) to illustrate how consumption model or market segments can change perspective on requirements | 21:09 |
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| pchadwick | shamail: makes sense | 21:09 |
| pchadwick | It is almost like we are listening. | 21:09 |
| shamail | Releases and capacity management were two topics I recalled where we had differing views based on the person providing feedback | 21:09 |
| carolbarrett | One of our key messages for this presentation is there's lots of need and opportunity for Operators to get involved with us | 21:09 |
| shamail | +1 pchadwick | 21:09 |
| carolbarrett | any questions or suggestions on slide 4? | 21:10 |
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| KrishR | LGTM | 21:10 |
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| KrishR | :) | 21:10 |
| carolbarrett | :) | 21:10 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: to answer your original question, managed cloud providers were fine with frequent upgrades (not private clouds in general) | 21:10 |
| pchadwick | Only question I have is what does "fine with either slower or faster releases" mean? | 21:10 |
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| shamail | It means there was no bias towards either option | 21:11 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | why are page numbering jumping around? | 21:11 |
| shamail | E.g. Comfortable with both | 21:11 |
| pchadwick | OK - thanks. | 21:11 |
| leong | slide 4: Suggest to rephrase HPC to "Academic/Scietific" | 21:11 |
| shamail | Good call leong | 21:11 |
| MadhuKashyap | What's the difference between Distribution and DIY? | 21:11 |
| carolbarrett | Leong - Good point, will make the change | 21:11 |
| carolbarrett | Arkady_kanevsky: What page numbers? Are you looking at the PDF or PPT? | 21:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | PPT | 21:12 |
| pchadwick | Distribution is you pay someone | 21:12 |
| pchadwick | Like SUSE | 21:12 |
| pchadwick | to maintain the code. | 21:12 |
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| shamail | MadhuKashyap: DIY = from OpenStack source/stable branches, distribution = releases from orgs that are packaging upstream bits | 21:12 |
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| pchadwick | DIY is you pull from trunk. | 21:12 |
| MadhuKashyap | ok thanks | 21:13 |
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| carolbarrett | Slide 5: Any suggestions? | 21:14 |
| MeganR | I am seeing two slide #5 in PPT | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | for page #s I see title, 2, 5, 3, 4, 6, 2, 2, 2, ... | 21:14 |
| pchadwick | All ok in PDF | 21:15 |
| shamail | I see them in order (viewing PDF) | 21:15 |
| MeganR | maybe call out the title - "Collecting Requirements" | 21:15 |
| MeganR | or I can switch to pdf :) | 21:15 |
| carolbarrett | I don't know what's going on with the slide numbers - google slides and ppt don't play well together. I'll make sure that's fixed in the version we present (pdf) | 21:15 |
| pchadwick | ppt doesn't play well with anything. | 21:15 |
| carolbarrett | Slide 5 is the 5th slide in the deck including the title slide - for this conversation | 21:15 |
| carolbarrett | pchadwick: LOL | 21:16 |
| MeganR | pchadwick +1 | 21:16 |
| leong | arkady_kanevsky, carolbarrett, that could be google drive issues when uploading the ppt file.. it looks fine on the pdf version | 21:16 |
| MeganR | looks good in pdf | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | switched to ppt | 21:16 |
| carolbarrett | Good! | 21:16 |
| carolbarrett | Slide 5 (collecting requirements): Feedback? | 21:16 |
| pchadwick | I think this is a good flow. Do you bridge from 5 to 6 in the speaker notes? | 21:16 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Suggest adding review process to suer story - standard OS process | 21:17 |
| carolbarrett | My thought was slide 4 sets up the different audience segments that we work with to source requirements | 21:17 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | for slide 5. | 21:17 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | sorry - slide 6 | 21:18 |
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| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky: +1 | 21:18 |
| shamail | +1 | 21:18 |
| carolbarrett | If nothing else on slide 5, them let's go to 6 | 21:18 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | do we want to talk about voting for which user story we will drive forward for next and future releases? | 21:18 |
| leong | on slide 5, you might want to talk through where/how the users(enterprise/telco/academic) can propose/suggest new features through the PWG user story channel | 21:19 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | can be covered by priority | 21:19 |
| carolbarrett | arkady_kanesvky: Good point. What do others thing? | 21:19 |
| carolbarrett | think? | 21:19 |
| pchadwick | +1 | 21:19 |
| carolbarrett | leong: good point, will add that to speaking points | 21:19 |
| shamail | I think we can mention both in our talking points | 21:19 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | fine with that | 21:20 |
| carolbarrett | OK - slide 7 ? | 21:20 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | need to add feedback on progress of the story. | 21:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | That is what goes to roadmap per release | 21:21 |
| pchadwick | +1 - This is where we need to ask for input. | 21:21 |
| carolbarrett | which slide are you on? | 21:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | sldie 7 | 21:21 |
| pchadwick | 7 | 21:21 |
| MadhuKashyap | I am new to this, but can we talk about how one would comment on these user stories in one of the slides. | 21:22 |
| shamail | That should be mentioned during slide 6 | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | that is review process of any submissions to openstack | 21:22 |
| carolbarrett | MaduKashyap: yes we can, | 21:22 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: +1 | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | correct slide 6 | 21:23 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Looking on slide 8. | 21:23 |
| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky: Think that's a good way to position it. | 21:23 |
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| carolbarrett | OK - Slide 8 | 21:23 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | This need to include themes. | 21:24 |
| shamail | This slide is more talking points | 21:24 |
| KrishR | re: slide 8, the first 2 blue boxes on the top left should be "Prioritize requirements" and "Influence Project lists" | 21:24 |
| pchadwick | +1 | 21:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | That means that we need to mention themes whne we create user story | 21:24 |
| shamail | Definitely plan to mention themes Arkady_Kanevsky + | 21:24 |
| shamail | 1 | 21:24 |
| KrishR | or "Prioritize User stories" | 21:25 |
| carolbarrett | KrishR: I don't think the roadmap is as much an influence tool as it is a communication tool. I view user stories as the influence tool | 21:25 |
| leong | krishr, slide 8 is for Community Roadmap, not for the User Story | 21:25 |
| carolbarrett | leong: _1 | 21:25 |
| shamail | Our current roadmap process only lists what the PTLs provide (which could be user story things as well) | 21:25 |
| carolbarrett | leong: +1 (oops) | 21:25 |
| KrishR | but the text on slide 8 talks about gathering requirements | 21:25 |
| shamail | carolbarrett, leong: +1 | 21:26 |
| pchadwick | krishr: it is building on the series of slides | 21:26 |
| carolbarrett | The bullets on the right are the build of our process from one slide to another | 21:26 |
| shamail | Are you looking at ppt or PDF KrishR ? | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | requirements -> priorities for sldie 8 | 21:26 |
| carolbarrett | similar to how the balls in the funnel are working | 21:26 |
| shamail | Ah , got it | 21:26 |
| leong | that might be a "cut-n-pase' error from previous slide? | 21:26 |
| KrishR | i'm looking at pdf | 21:27 |
| pchadwick | slide 5: Gather, slide 6 Gather + Create, slide 7 gather + create + Team Slide 8 ... + generate | 21:27 |
| leong | on slide 8, you probably want to remove the first 3 bullet-point to avoid confusion | 21:27 |
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| KrishR | ok, i get the build part now | 21:27 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: maybe we should highlight which item we are on from the list on slide 8 by using a different font color? | 21:27 |
| pchadwick | Shamail: +1 | 21:27 |
| carolbarrett | It's intentional, but maybe not helpful - In slide 2 we outline our charter and then use slide 5-8 to explain it | 21:27 |
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| pchadwick | I think it makes sense | 21:28 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Add Theme definions on snake item #2 | 21:28 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | or after Identifying project list | 21:28 |
| pchadwick | I would grey out the previous bullets and leave the current one in normal weight. | 21:28 |
| leong | i got your point now.. it is the "presentation flow" :-) | 21:28 |
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| KrishR | pchadwick: +1 | 21:28 |
| shamail | Themes are not defined every roadmap release though Arkady_Kanevsky... | 21:28 |
| carolbarrett | Arkady_kanesvky: that's a good idea, will | 21:28 |
| carolbarrett | do | 21:28 |
| shamail | pchadwick: +1 | 21:29 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Shamail. wnot define each release but updated per release | 21:29 |
| shamail | We should mention them for sure | 21:29 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | similar to idnetifying projects per release | 21:29 |
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| pchadwick | Add something like "map to themes"? | 21:29 |
| shamail | Cool, will do | 21:30 |
| carolbarrett | Slide 9 - Comments? | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | great slide 9 | 21:30 |
| pchadwick | This is good | 21:31 |
| KrishR | +1 on slide 9 | 21:31 |
| carolbarrett | all right! | 21:31 |
| carolbarrett | Slide 10 - Comments? | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | How do we mention that user_story span multuple releases for tracking | 21:31 |
| shamail | W | 21:32 |
| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky: Where do you think it should go? | 21:32 |
| shamail | We will mention it as criteria | 21:32 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | sldie 8 | 21:32 |
| KrishR | should we add a bullet on slide 10 - "Influence project teams to implement user stories" or something to that effect? | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | But the roadmap is release specific so user story will be mentioned on multiuple roadmap | 21:33 |
| carolbarrett | How about slide 6? That could be an element of describing the criteria for PWG to get involved in a User Story? | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | slide 7 feels like a better choice. This is where we talk about tracking work for user story | 21:34 |
| pchadwick | Slide 8 - where we talk about multi-release roadmap | 21:34 |
| carolbarrett | KrishR: I like the concept, but don't want to be perceived as ganging up on project teams | 21:34 |
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| shamail | carolbarrett: +1 | 21:34 |
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| pchadwick | I would put it on slide 8: | 21:35 |
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| pchadwick | Generate a multi-release Roadmap | 21:35 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | pchadwick> I am OK with it | 21:36 |
| carolbarrett | pchadwick: I think we need to be careful about linking user stories tightly to the roadmap. There are lots of non-user story elements included | 21:36 |
| pchadwick | Sure - but this is where we specifically track user stories across releases, no? | 21:36 |
| shamail | I agree, until we have some stories at a stage where they can be included in the roadmap | 21:36 |
| pchadwick | OK - I need to take a call. | 21:37 |
| carolbarrett | pchadwick: yes and no. We have a user story tracker where we track the status of user story implementation; the roadmap is broader than that | 21:37 |
| carolbarrett | pchadwick: ok | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | so what is the final disposition? | 21:38 |
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| carolbarrett | I think we include multi-project, multi-release in slide 6 | 21:38 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:39 |
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| carolbarrett | great! | 21:39 |
| carolbarrett | Slide 10 ? | 21:39 |
| KrishR | Am wondering if people ask "OK, the Product WG has been around for 2 years, can you show me which user stories have progressed through the cycle, what stages they are at etc.?" | 21:39 |
| carolbarrett | KrishR: How do you propose we answer that? | 21:40 |
| KrishR | sorry, may be playing a bit of the devil's advocate :) | 21:40 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Upgrade fits that bill | 21:40 |
| carolbarrett | Which is good! But still wondering how you would answer it | 21:40 |
| carolbarrett | Arkady_Kanevsky - that's the 1 I would point to as the starting point for us | 21:41 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | 20 min left... | 21:41 |
| KrishR | one way to answer it is to show what's happened in each release for a user story | 21:41 |
| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky: Thanks for the time check | 21:42 |
| shamail | +1 | 21:42 |
| carolbarrett | Good discussion and feedback - thanks! | 21:42 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | we have a wiki page per user story. the status is up to date there | 21:42 |
| carolbarrett | Let's move on | 21:43 |
| carolbarrett | If you have other comments, pls send to Shamail and I | 21:43 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Ops Midcycle Meetup | 21:43 |
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| carolbarrett | Last week we discussed creating a coverage map for the sessions | 21:43 |
| carolbarrett | I created a spreadsheet for this and posted it here | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | What WG# cover? | 21:44 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxtM4AiszlEydVhfY3Jvc1J5Tms/view?usp=sharing | 21:44 |
| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky: those slots have not been assigned yet | 21:44 |
| carolbarrett | That will probably happen tomorrow AM In the Ops Team meeting | 21:44 |
| carolbarrett | Can you pls add your name to the sessions you can cover? | 21:45 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK. WHo is attending Th? | 21:45 |
| carolbarrett | We can look this over on Monday and make sure we've got everything covered...? | 21:45 |
| MeganR | Carol: I can not edit the document | 21:45 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I wish I can staty the whole week... | 21:45 |
| carolbarrett | MeganR: I'll fix that! | 21:46 |
| MeganR | thank you! | 21:46 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Th first sessoin is very interesting and doe snot overlap with anything | 21:46 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Carol can we use Product WG phone bridge # for User WG? | 21:47 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Then I can cover some of TH meetings remotely | 21:48 |
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| carolbarrett | MeganR: Pls try again | 21:49 |
| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky: I don't undertand.... | 21:49 |
| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky: I don't think the Ops Meetup is setup for remote participation | 21:50 |
| carolbarrett | Can I move on? | 21:50 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes | 21:50 |
| carolbarrett | #topic PWG Midcycle | 21:50 |
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| MeganR | Carol: sorry, no luck - I will try after the meeting when I am off network | 21:50 |
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| carolbarrett | I've posted a link to an etherpad we can use during the session and as a basis for providing update afterwards. | 21:51 |
| carolbarrett | Pls make sure you look it over and either send back comments ahead of Monday or we'll work through them during the welcome | 21:51 |
| carolbarrett | I want to move on to the next topic before we run out of time. | 21:51 |
| carolbarrett | OK? | 21:52 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes | 21:52 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Regional Team Update | 21:52 |
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| carolbarrett | Leong: Can you take this one? | 21:52 |
| leong | sure! | 21:52 |
| leong | just want to provide a quick update on the regional meeting | 21:52 |
| leong | i believe kei is also on the chat now | 21:52 |
| kei | leong: yes. i am. | 21:53 |
| leong | the co-chair for the regional meeting remains as kei and hugh | 21:53 |
| leong | the participation for the past few months varies... | 21:53 |
| leong | although mostly from Intel, Fujitsu, NTT, Huawei | 21:54 |
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| leong | the primary focus now is on the two user story discussion: HA_VM and Baremetal | 21:54 |
| leong | for the HA_VM, team from NTT is tracking on that and information is shared at the following etherpad | 21:54 |
| carolbarrett | Leong: Are there other companies in the region that we'd like to invite to join? | 21:55 |
| leong | #link HA_VM User Story Planning: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-instance-ha | 21:55 |
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| leong | for Baremetal, Kei and I are tracking on that, and the following etherpad was just created for baremetal requirement analysis: | 21:55 |
| leong | #link Baremetal User Story Requirement Analysis https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/bare_metal_service_gap_and_overlap_analysis | 21:56 |
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| leong | that's the quick update from me..:-) | 21:56 |
| leong | kei anything to add? | 21:56 |
| leong | carolbarrett, that will be something that we need to expand in the next few weeks.. | 21:56 |
| kei | none for now. thanks, leong | 21:56 |
| leong | i am hoping can get more participation from local companies such as huawei | 21:56 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | how does these etherpad discussion feed back into user story execution? | 21:57 |
| carolbarrett | leong: Will you cover that as part of your User Story update at the Midcycle on Monday? Or something you want to discuss separately? | 21:57 |
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| leong | the etherpad will 'bridge' the implementation/spec into each requirements as defined in User Story | 21:58 |
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| leong | carolbarrett: i can cover that at PWG midcycle | 21:58 |
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| carolbarrett | leong: Thanks. I think it would also be good to discuss more about the role of the etherpads vs posting comments to the user story | 21:59 |
| leong | I rememer pchadwick is identified as the HA_VM userstory owner, pete do you have anything to add? | 21:59 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:59 |
| carolbarrett | Anything else for Leong (1 min to go...) | 21:59 |
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| carolbarrett | leong: I think pete had to take a call... | 21:59 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks for the update - good for laying foundation for next week. | 22:00 |
| leong | and also within each users story, it needs to have a requirements priortization section | 22:00 |
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| kei | leong: the doc has been shared with Ironic PTL and some core reviewers, right? what i'm going to do next is to put priority (and dependency) to the doc. | 22:00 |
| leong | so that developers/project team know which features is more important and to implement first | 22:00 |
| carolbarrett | Safe Travels all and see you Monday AM | 22:00 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | see you all next week in NYC | 22:00 |
| leong | yes kei.. | 22:00 |
| carolbarrett | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:00 | |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | bye | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 15 22:00:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| leong | for the Bare metal doc, we have shared that with Ironic PTL and core | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-08-15-21.01.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-08-15-21.01.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-08-15-21.01.log.html | 22:00 |
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| leong | see ya! :-) | 22:00 |
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| kei | thanks! | 22:01 |
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