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| EmilienM | tripleo meeting is about to start! get ready | 13:59 |
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| bandini | o/ | 13:59 |
| ccamacho | Hi o/ | 14:00 |
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| EmilienM | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 16 14:00:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| beagles | bandini, hold on, he hasn't called roll yet :0 | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | #topic rollcall | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
| beagles | o/ | 14:00 |
| derekh | o/ | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 14:00 |
| shadower | hey | 14:00 |
| weshay | o/ | 14:00 |
| marios | o/ | 14:00 |
| skramaja | hello | 14:00 |
| slagle | hi | 14:00 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 14:00 |
| cdearborn | o/ | 14:00 |
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| adarazs | o/ | 14:00 |
| bandini | o/ | 14:00 |
| bandini | beagles: :) ops | 14:00 |
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| ccamacho | hello again :P o/ | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | #topic agenda | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
| sshnaidm | o/ | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | * one off agenda items | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | * bugs | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | * CI | 14:01 |
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| EmilienM | * Specs | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | * open discussion | 14:01 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | #topic one off agenda items | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "one off agenda items (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:01 | |
| EmilienM | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-meeting-items | 14:01 |
| d0ugal | o/ | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | d0ugal: hey, go ahead! | 14:01 |
| karthiks | Hi | 14:01 |
| d0ugal | EmilienM: Hey, thanks | 14:01 |
| dprince | hi | 14:01 |
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| d0ugal | So I just wanted to give everyone a bit of an update on the status of the transition to Mistral for deployment. | 14:02 |
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| d0ugal | With the CLI patch here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342261/ | 14:02 |
| d0ugal | and the tripleo common series here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298732/ | 14:02 |
| radeks | o/ | 14:02 |
| d0ugal | We have it working! | 14:02 |
| dprince | d0ugal: nice | 14:02 |
| d0ugal | So, really looking for feedback on the approach, testing and reviewers. | 14:03 |
| shadower | woo | 14:03 |
| hrybacki | super cool | 14:03 |
| beagles | nice | 14:03 |
| EmilienM | d0ugal: that's a great news! thanks for all this work | 14:03 |
| d0ugal | The tripleo-common patches are fairly low risk - nothing will use them until the CLI changes lands. So I'd like to see that happen soon | 14:03 |
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| d0ugal | (Then the CLI patch can actually test against CI properly) | 14:03 |
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| d0ugal | If anyone wants more info to test or try things out, please ping me | 14:03 |
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| EmilienM | great, so the patch in depends-on can be reviewed with low risk of breaking something | 14:03 |
| d0ugal | ... and that is all I've got. thanks :) | 14:03 |
| d0ugal | EmilienM: Yup, exactly. | 14:04 |
| jtomasek | o/ | 14:04 |
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| myoung | o/ | 14:04 |
| EmilienM | #action tripleo team to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298732/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342261/ | 14:04 |
| marios | thanks d0ugal added to review queue fwiw | 14:04 |
| EmilienM | d0ugal: thx for the update! don't hesitate to use ML if you need more reviews or have more updates! | 14:04 |
| d0ugal | marios: thanks! | 14:05 |
| d0ugal | EmilienM: will do :) | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | #topic bugs | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:05 | |
| EmilienM | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/?orderby=-id&start=0 | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/newton-3 | 14:05 |
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| Jokke_ | o/ | 14:05 |
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| florianf | o/ | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | if you're working on a bug listed for newton-3, please make sure it's up to date | 14:06 |
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| EmilienM | so, outstanding bugs :) | 14:07 |
| saneax | o/ | 14:07 |
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| EmilienM | the one I can see is https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1613088 | 14:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1613088 in tripleo "tripleo-ci: periodic nonha job failing to promote due to SSL" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Emilien Macchi (emilienm) | 14:07 |
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| EmilienM | but it's under control afict | 14:07 |
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| EmilienM | do we have other bugs to mention this week? | 14:08 |
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| EmilienM | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1613630 will be solved when our CI will be pin | 14:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1613630 in tripleo "CI: current-tripleo repo contains broken cinder and volume creation fails" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Sagi (Sergey) Shnaidman (sshnaidm) | 14:09 |
| slagle | here's the pin: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354481/ | 14:09 |
| sshnaidm | EmilienM, it's in progress, working with jpena from #rdo on this | 14:09 |
| slagle | sshnaidm: is there update on getting the repo switched back? | 14:09 |
| sshnaidm | slagle, not yet, jpena is checking right now | 14:10 |
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| sshnaidm | might be a problem related to manual change of link yesterday | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | the patch is in gate now, hopefully it will merge in the next hour | 14:10 |
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| EmilienM | do we have anything else about bugs this week? | 14:11 |
| EmilienM | please raise anything outstanding | 14:11 |
| EmilienM | ok, next topic | 14:12 |
| EmilienM | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:12 |
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| EmilienM | I haven't checked if shardy actually propose stable branch releases last week | 14:13 |
| EmilienM | #action EmilienM to check & release stable branch this week if needed | 14:13 |
| EmilienM | any question about releases? | 14:13 |
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| ansiwen | o/ | 14:13 |
| EmilienM | ansiwen: what's up? | 14:13 |
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| ansiwen | oh, I thought that's the way to say hello, sorry :-) | 14:14 |
| EmilienM | ok next topic | 14:14 |
| EmilienM | #topic CI | 14:14 |
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| EmilienM | derekh: I noticed you're around, do you have any update this week? | 14:14 |
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| EmilienM | regarding upgrade/update jobs, I have no update, still working with matbu but really slow progress with all recent outages... | 14:17 |
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| sshnaidm | maybe you'll find it useful: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-ci-status | 14:17 |
| slagle | even when jobs are passing, are ha jobs are running close to the check timeout, and some are getting killed | 14:18 |
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| slagle | that will need to be investigated once the current issues are sorted | 14:18 |
| weshay | nice | 14:18 |
| EmilienM | slagle: we might reduce the number of services | 14:18 |
| EmilienM | slagle: ie: sahara, etc (even if I remember gfidente's concern about upgrades) | 14:19 |
| gfidente | EmilienM, slagle ack, see dtantsur thread on subject on openstack-dev | 14:19 |
| slagle | EmilienM: yes i plan to do that in the multinode job at least | 14:19 |
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| slagle | i think we can get it consistently under 60 minutes | 14:19 |
| gfidente | EmilienM, yeah I was thinking about an experimental job deploying full overcloud as an alternative? | 14:19 |
| gfidente | and trim down the gate job to a minimum instead | 14:19 |
| EmilienM | what do you mean by full? | 14:19 |
| sshnaidm | slagle, for periodic jobs we added undercloud idempotent and pingtest deletion which take time | 14:19 |
| EmilienM | one with all services and that will timeout? | 14:20 |
| slagle | sshnaidm: this isn't for periodic though | 14:20 |
| gfidente | EmilienM, yeah pretty much | 14:20 |
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| EmilienM | gfidente: -1 | 14:20 |
| gfidente | EmilienM, eheh how do we test the optional services then? | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | experimental jobs are usually incubator jobs, I would rather see a new non voting job for now | 14:20 |
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| slagle | sshnaidm: check-tripleo ha jobs are routinely taking 2h40m, or getting timed out | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | gfidente: by creating scenarios, like we did in puppet CI | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | they add more (not all) services | 14:21 |
| derekh | EmilienM: sorry, missed your ping, nothing to bring up at the moment, just back today and catching up | 14:21 |
| gfidente | EmilienM, right but to do that we'd need a lot more resources | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | I know I pasted the link 1000 times but here's again https://github.com/openstack/puppet-openstack-integration#description | 14:21 |
| gfidente | EmilienM, any permutation will run an entire undercloud/overcloud | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | gfidente: I kow | 14:21 |
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| EmilienM | but the idea of experimental job won't help | 14:21 |
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| gfidente | well experimental can be triggered on request | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | 1) it won't prevent breakages as it requires people to run "check experimental" | 14:22 |
| EmilienM | 2) they'll timeout if you add all optional services | 14:22 |
| EmilienM | the idea of scenarios is to have multiple scenarios (1 with all telemetry for ex) | 14:22 |
| gfidente | right so let's put it this way, with unlimited CI capacity, I agree permutations work better | 14:22 |
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| EmilienM | derekh: ack | 14:23 |
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| EmilienM | gfidente: one option is periodic job | 14:23 |
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| EmilienM | scenarios in periodic | 14:23 |
| sshnaidm | slagle, image build takes almost 45 mins, pretty long | 14:24 |
| EmilienM | so we cover everything, we don't timeout because we have multiple scenarios and we use periodic pipeline so don't consume too much resources | 14:24 |
| slagle | sshnaidm: yea, it takes half that time for me locally | 14:24 |
| EmilienM | maybe I can come up with an idea on the ML | 14:24 |
| gfidente | EmilienM, yep that'd be nice | 14:24 |
| EmilienM | ok | 14:24 |
| gfidente | we need similar support for ipv6 too | 14:24 |
| gfidente | or for 'competing' services, as like ceph/rgw vs swift | 14:25 |
| beagles | how much effort is it to maintain the various scenarios? | 14:25 |
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| EmilienM | #action EmilienM to propose periodic scenarios CI jobs testing on ML | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | beagles: unknown at this time, we don't have it, but shouldn't be that hard with our composable services | 14:25 |
| beagles | not that it's a reason not to do do it.. just thinking about delegation to devs, etc | 14:25 |
| beagles | good point | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | gfidente: exactly | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | anything else about CI this week? | 14:26 |
| EmilienM | #topic Specs | 14:26 |
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| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | if you have a spec and need a review, please go ahead | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | it sounds like some of them have positive agreement | 14:28 |
| EmilienM | but some of them are still under discussion | 14:29 |
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| EmilienM | please update / rebase your spec if you have one | 14:29 |
| EmilienM | any question about specs? | 14:30 |
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| EmilienM | #topic open discussion | 14:30 |
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| EmilienM | we're heading to end of newton-3, and final approach is in few days, please continue to review as you can | 14:31 |
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| EmilienM | please let us know blockers and what can't be done for n3 | 14:32 |
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| dtantsur | hmm, when is the deadline for tripleo? the same as other projects? | 14:32 |
| dtantsur | * feature deadline ofc | 14:32 |
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| gfidente | marios, EmilienM is it fair to say that upgrade process from mitaka is still hackable after freeze? | 14:32 |
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| EmilienM | Aug 29-02 -> N3 | 14:32 |
| EmilienM | gfidente: yes | 14:32 |
| gfidente | marios, EmilienM I think we consider upgrade a feature so it's fair game to improve it until release | 14:32 |
| dtantsur | so, 2 more weeks essentially... | 14:32 |
| EmilienM | we might want RC1 during Sep 12-16 | 14:33 |
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| EmilienM | yes, we have 2 more weeks than other projects | 14:33 |
| EmilienM | but in my experience, I like keeping short deadlines, for impediments :-) | 14:33 |
| EmilienM | I'm sure we'll have plenty of things to do during those 2 weeks | 14:33 |
| marios | gfidente: EmilienM yeah i think we have always lagged on the upgrade after the release | 14:33 |
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| EmilienM | our ultimate deadline is Oct 17-21 | 14:34 |
| marios | gfidente: EmilienM we have backport exception for upgrades related bugs right | 14:34 |
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| EmilienM | marios: right | 14:34 |
| EmilienM | any help to bring upgrade / update CI jobs upstream would be great | 14:34 |
| EmilienM | ping me or matbu - we're looking at it recently, but 0 progress since outages | 14:34 |
| jrist | EmilienM: I can't stress enough the need for the mistral transition stuff to get eyes | 14:34 |
| jrist | and reviews | 14:35 |
| jrist | we need it to land for n-3 for the UI or we're in deep water | 14:35 |
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| EmilienM | jrist: right | 14:35 |
| jrist | thanks | 14:35 |
| EmilienM | jrist: please dress a list and share it with our team | 14:35 |
| EmilienM | maybe a gerrit topic or LP # | 14:36 |
| jrist | EmilienM: my understanding is that asking for reviews on the ML is frowned upon? | 14:36 |
| dtantsur | I think listing project priorities is ok | 14:36 |
| EmilienM | jrist: what? | 14:36 |
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| jrist | dtantsur: ok thanks | 14:36 |
| dtantsur | just appearing out of blue with your patches is not | 14:36 |
| jrist | dtantsur: got it | 14:36 |
| EmilienM | jrist: using ML for anything is IMHO good | 14:36 |
| jrist | ha | 14:36 |
| EmilienM | it keeps things open and async | 14:36 |
| jrist | ok | 14:36 |
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| dtantsur | EmilienM, there were bit objects for using for 2 things: asking for reviewing and 3rd party CI status updates | 14:36 |
| shadower | same goes for the validations patches -- /me will email the ML | 14:37 |
| dtantsur | don't ask me why please :) | 14:37 |
| jrist | related, tripleo-ui launchpad would like to migrate to tripleO launchpad | 14:37 |
| dtantsur | * big objections | 14:37 |
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| jrist | do I need special access for adding stuff? | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | anything else for this week ? | 14:37 |
| jrist | some sort of admin rights on tripleo launchpad? | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | jrist: for what? | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | I don't think so | 14:37 |
| * beagles imagines all of the frowning upon that he's been provoking lately | 14:37 | |
| jrist | adding/changing/deleting launchpad items for tripleo-ui in the tripleo launchpad | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | let me know if something blocks you | 14:37 |
| jrist | beagles: heh | 14:37 |
| jrist | EmilienM: ok thanks | 14:38 |
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| EmilienM | I'm closing the meeting in 30s, go ahead now if you have anything | 14:38 |
| * EmilienM preparing his notes for puppet meeting in 20 min | 14:38 | |
| EmilienM | thanks everyone and keep rocking folks! | 14:38 |
| EmilienM | #endmeeting | 14:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 16 14:39:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:39 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-08-16-14.00.html | 14:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-08-16-14.00.txt | 14:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-08-16-14.00.log.html | 14:39 |
| jrist | thanks for charing EmilienM | 14:39 |
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| jrist | chairing | 14:39 |
| ccamacho | thanks guys! | 14:39 |
| ccamacho | o/ | 14:39 |
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| tmorin | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:10 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 16 15:10:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: bgpvpn)" | 15:10 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:10 |
| tmorin | hi everyone | 15:10 |
| tmorin | hi doude, matrohon, mickeys, pcarver, timirnich, wdeclercq, michchap | 15:11 |
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| wdeclercq | hello | 15:12 |
| mickeys | Hi | 15:12 |
| matrohon | hi | 15:12 |
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| tmorin | let's start | 15:13 |
| tmorin | #topic update on work during past weeks | 15:13 |
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| tmorin | I'm myself just back from PTO | 15:13 |
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| tmorin | some things have happened in the meantime | 15:14 |
| tmorin | some bugfixes | 15:14 |
| tmorin | some tempest improvements | 15:14 |
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| tmorin | we are currently fixing the tempest job so that it actually runs our tempest suite | 15:15 |
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| tmorin | kinda required before merging tempest additional test | 15:15 |
| eon` | when do you think it will be available ? | 15:16 |
| matrohon | eon : https://review.openstack.org/355999 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352401/ | 15:16 |
| matrohon | eon : under review, merge hopefully tomorroxw | 15:17 |
| eon` | matrohon: thx, I did not see the first one | 15:17 |
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| tmorin | as soon as we see the test run in the gate and confirm that it does what we want | 15:17 |
| tmorin | and assuming all tests do pass :) | 15:17 |
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| tmorin | #topic bug review | 15:18 |
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| tmorin | we have a few new bugs/enhancements to address | 15:19 |
| tmorin | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/1608481 | 15:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1608481 in networking-bgpvpn "neutron bgpvpn-update command fails to update a list of import-targets" [Undecided,New] | 15:19 |
| tmorin | this one I did not try to reproduce yet | 15:19 |
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| tmorin | but I'm surprised that there would be an issue there, since we're just reusing an existing, and I assume largely tested, framework | 15:20 |
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| tmorin | any idea ? | 15:22 |
| wdeclercq | Well judging by the error message and the command it kind of makes sense that the framework doesn't know the end of the list. It probably appends the name to the import-targets | 15:22 |
| wdeclercq | and then complains there is no name | 15:22 |
| eon` | yep maybe the name should be placed as the first argument | 15:22 |
| wdeclercq | not name but bgpvpn* | 15:23 |
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| tmorin | I agree | 15:24 |
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| tmorin | I'm not sure we can fix the output of --help | 15:24 |
| tmorin | to avoid misleading the user | 15:24 |
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| tmorin | ok, I think we can reply/close this report | 15:24 |
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| tmorin | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/1607596 | 15:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1607596 in networking-bgpvpn "[RFE] Add 'technique' column in bgpvpns table in Neutron database." [Undecided,New] | 15:25 |
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| tmorin | mickeys: any comment on this one ? | 15:25 |
| tmorin | mickeys: wrt to steve comment, I think the rationale for adding a 'technique' field distinct from the type, wasn't taken into consideration | 15:25 |
| tmorin | I will reply to steve | 15:26 |
| mickeys | tmorin: If you go to some of the more advanced methods in the IETF drafts, you can support a combination of L2 evpn and L3 evpn-prefix at the same time. | 15:26 |
| tmorin | we want an admin-only distinct field, so that only the admin has to care about this | 15:27 |
| mickeys | tmorin: In the near term, what we will implement will be mostly L3 evpn-prefix | 15:27 |
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| mickeys | tmorin: My memory of the L2/L3 evpn/evpn-prefix combination is not that clear. I think it was using two VNIs, with L2/L3 forwarding decisions driving which one to use. | 15:29 |
| tmorin | If you can tell in more detail it will be useful | 15:29 |
| mickeys | tmorin: So one question is whether L3 evpn-prefix can include type 5 / type 2 combination | 15:29 |
| mickeys | tmorin: I think the answer is yes, in which case we can get by with evpn-prefix for now | 15:30 |
| tmorin | right now I don't see what steve mean by a "conflict", in his comment | 15:30 |
| tmorin | mickeys: yes, I'd say yes as well, the question is not about the protocol details, but the kind of connectivity provided | 15:30 |
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| tmorin | if a type 2 route is necessary, with a given technique, to provide an l3 connectivity, then it's ok, it not a conflict | 15:31 |
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| tmorin | next topic ? | 15:33 |
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| mickeys | tmorin: The L2/L3 case (which we are not implementing) is described in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-inter-subnet-forwarding/, which is expired | 15:35 |
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| tmorin | yes | 15:35 |
| tmorin | the doc is expired, but alive/relevant, still suffering from a delayed update | 15:36 |
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| mickeys | tmorin: The question is whether that breaks the type/technique design, since both L2 and L3 forwarding are used at the same time. | 15:36 |
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| tmorin | mickeys: what makes it clearly a service of type l3 is that you look at the dest IP header and resolve for deliver to the corresponding IP destination, the fact that you also look at the L2 header does not change that | 15:39 |
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| tmorin | if needed, we can develop the explanation of what the 'type' attribute means | 15:39 |
| mickeys | tmorin: I would have to look at it more carefully to see if the L2/L3 divide falls clearly into different bgpvpns, or whether there is a case where one bgpvpn needs both L2 and L3. | 15:40 |
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| mickeys | tmorin: More explanation would be good. | 15:40 |
| mickeys | tmorin: I think we can take this offline, or back to the bug itself. | 15:40 |
| tmorin | agreed | 15:40 |
| tmorin | #topic open discuss | 15:40 |
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| tmorin | do we have anything else to discuss ? | 15:41 |
| tmorin | #undo | 15:41 |
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| tmorin | the VNI contribution may be worth discussing | 15:41 |
| tmorin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332711/ | 15:41 |
| tmorin | mickeys: ^ | 15:41 |
| tmorin | we think we have identified how the semantic of the VNI field needs to be adjusted to clarify how to handle overlaps between the VXLAN ranged defined for L2 networks, and the value used in a BGPVPN vni attribute | 15:42 |
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| mickeys | tmorin: I still think the doc/source/api.rst description could use more discussion. I don't think anything else is affected. | 15:43 |
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| tmorin | it would be good to cover what is needed (the overlap thing, maybe other things?) in this change | 15:44 |
| mickeys | tmorin: While we are focused primarily on a L3 implementation, looking at how the internals of the Quagga EVPN implementation work (still under discussion, not yet accepted), it would be difficult to implement the coupling of RT and VNI that you have arrived at for L2. | 15:44 |
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| tmorin | mickeys: can you be explicit on what you mean by "the coupling of RT and VNI that you have arrived at for L2" ? | 15:45 |
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| tmorin | mickeys: do you have a pointer to the E-VPN contribution ? | 15:46 |
| mickeys | tmorin: When you have multiple RTs and multiple VNIs, the VNI must be considered with the set of RTs rather than just the RT that it is associated with (ignoring the other RTs if present). Not sure I stated it in a way that clarifies things. | 15:47 |
| mickeys | tmorin: Let me look it up. Actually it is a L3VPN implementation which we are extending to EVPN. I don't think the EVPN aspects have been submitted upstream yet, but it is based on the L3VPN implementation that has been submitted upstream to Quagga. | 15:48 |
| tmorin | mickeys: remember that I'm back from PTO :) | 15:48 |
| tmorin | mickeys: I need more to understand, can you provide an example ? | 15:48 |
| mickeys | tmorin: You have L2 BGPVPN 1 with VNI 1 and RT 1, and L2 BGPVPN 2 with VNI 2 and RT 2. Under the current proposal, if you receive RT 1 with VNI 1, it can be used. If you receive RT 1 and RT 2 with VNI 1, it is not allowed. | 15:49 |
| mickeys | tmorin: In the current Quagga implementation (which has some L2VPN capability but it needs to be brought up to current EVPN standards), upon receive the RT filtering happens first to get it in the right grouping. The VNI filtering would happen afterwards, but by then the RT is gone. | 15:51 |
| mickeys | tmorin: I still think in the latter case of RT 1 and RT 2 with VNI 1, it should be allowed. | 15:51 |
| mickeys | tmorin: The initial Quagga patch is https://lists.quagga.net/pipermail/quagga-dev/2016-May/015364.html | 15:52 |
| tmorin | mickeys: didn't we had this discussion already in May/June ? the discussion we had at the time hasn't indeed been incorporated in steve's change | 15:52 |
| mickeys | tmorin: I think we made a lot of progress, but it could use a little more discussion. And yes it is the same discussion. | 15:53 |
| mickeys | tmorin: And yes it needs to be incorporated into Steve's change. | 15:53 |
| tmorin | mickeys: ok, then it's just a matter of incorporating what we concluded on, in steve's change | 15:53 |
| tmorin | yes | 15:53 |
| tmorin | assuming we came to a conclusion we agreed on at the time ; I think I recall that we did | 15:54 |
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| mickeys | mickeys: I don't agree with the conclusion 100%. Maybe next week I can spend some time clarifying my concerns. | 15:54 |
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| tmorin | mickeys: ok | 15:55 |
| tmorin | can you propose clarification in the form of comments on the VNI related bug, or on steve's vni change ? | 15:55 |
| mickeys | tmorin: yes | 15:55 |
| tmorin | thanks | 15:56 |
| tmorin | #topic open discussion | 15:56 |
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| tmorin | done for today ? | 15:56 |
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| hongbin | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
| openstack | hongbin: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 16:00 |
| hongbin | ..... | 16:00 |
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| tmorin | thanks everyone! | 16:01 |
| tmorin | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 16 16:01:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-08-16-15.10.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-08-16-15.10.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-08-16-15.10.log.html | 16:01 |
| tmorin | sorry folks :-( | 16:01 |
| hongbin | NP | 16:01 |
| hongbin | #startmeeting containers | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 16 16:01:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:01 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
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| Drago1 | o/ | 16:01 |
| swatson__ | o/ | 16:01 |
| tonanhngo | Ton Ngo | 16:01 |
| hieulq_ | O/ | 16:01 |
| jvgrant_ | Jaycen Grant | 16:01 |
| eghobo | o/ | 16:01 |
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| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-08-16_1600_UTC Today's agenda | 16:01 |
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| Drago1 | ugh, o/ | 16:02 |
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| hongbin | Thanks for joining the meeting Drago1 swatson__ tonanhngo hieulq jvgrant_ eghobo | 16:02 |
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| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
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| hongbin | I have no announcement. Anyone else has? | 16:02 |
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| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 16:03 |
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| hongbin | None | 16:03 |
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| hongbin | #topic Essential Blueprints Review | 16:03 |
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| hongbin | 1. Support baremetal container clusters (strigazi) | 16:03 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-baremetal-full-support | 16:03 |
| hongbin | Spyros is on vacation so I update you on behalf | 16:03 |
| hongbin | (Spyros) Fedora-k8s baremetal is merged | 16:04 |
| hongbin | (Spyros) I'll investigate if it's possible to maintain the VM and BM versions with the same entrypoint and therefore the same driver. | 16:04 |
| hongbin | (Spyros) But, as discussed with Muralia, we proceed keeping in mind that since the BM version has its own definition will be a separate driver. | 16:04 |
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| hongbin | That's all | 16:04 |
| hongbin | Any question / comment? | 16:04 |
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| hongbin | 2. Magnum User Guide for Cloud Operator (tango) | 16:05 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/user-guide | 16:05 |
| hongbin | tonanhngo: ^^ | 16:05 |
| tonanhngo | I made a round of update, it has been merged. | 16:05 |
| tonanhngo | Thanks everyone for the quick review | 16:05 |
| tonanhngo | I talked to wangqun about continuing her doc on explaining labels | 16:06 |
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| tonanhngo | I will pick up her patch and merge with the user guide | 16:06 |
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| tonanhngo | Next I will write the section on Scaling | 16:06 |
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| tonanhngo | one question for the team: we have a simple implementation now, which I will cover | 16:06 |
| tonanhngo | we also have had a much discussion on this subject. | 16:07 |
| tonanhngo | I am thinking about summarizing these discussion in the user guide as well, to share the current thinking, although it's not implemented | 16:07 |
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| tonanhngo | Does this sound OK? | 16:07 |
| hongbin | About scaling? | 16:08 |
| tonanhngo | right | 16:08 |
| tonanhngo | auto scaling, to be exact | 16:08 |
| hongbin | oh, that is different from scaling | 16:08 |
| tonanhngo | Can you elaborate? | 16:08 |
| jvgrant_ | is that better suited for a work in progress spec that could be referenced from user guide? I don't think the user guide should have non-implemented feature discussion | 16:09 |
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| hongbin | tonanhngo: When you talked about scaling, I thought you menned manually scaling (not auto) | 16:09 |
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| tonanhngo | OK, that's fair. I will leave it out then. | 16:09 |
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| tonanhngo | I can just mention that autoscaling is under discussion | 16:10 |
| hongbin | Also, keep in mind that there is no consensus on auto-scaling so far (as far as I can remember) | 16:10 |
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| tonanhngo | True, we discussed some possible direction | 16:10 |
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| tonanhngo | Other than that, that's all I have for now | 16:10 |
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| hongbin | tonanhngo: Thanks Ton | 16:11 |
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| hongbin | tonanhngo: For the autoscaling, I think the first step is to drive consensus first | 16:11 |
| hongbin | tonanhngo: Maybe you can use the ML or a design summit session | 16:11 |
| tonanhngo | Yes, there are several different approaches. | 16:11 |
| tonanhngo | That's a good idea. | 16:12 |
| hongbin | ok | 16:12 |
| hongbin | Any other question / comment ? | 16:12 |
| hongbin | 3. COE Bay Drivers (jamie_h, muralia) | 16:13 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/bay-drivers | 16:13 |
| hongbin | It looks muralia is not here | 16:13 |
| hongbin | Drago1: Do you know the status of this BP? | 16:13 |
| Drago1 | hongbin: Murali went on vacation Thursday, so probably not much has changed since the last meeting | 16:14 |
| hongbin | Drago1: ack | 16:14 |
| hongbin | Then, let's skip this topic today | 16:14 |
| hongbin | #topic Kuryr Integration Update (tango) | 16:15 |
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| hongbin | tonanhngo: ^^ | 16:15 |
| tonanhngo | I attended the Kuryr meeting yesterday | 16:15 |
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| tonanhngo | The code refactor for kuryr-lib is technically done | 16:15 |
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| tonanhngo | but they still have to update their functional tests and devstack script to use it | 16:16 |
| tonanhngo | So the code remains to be validated | 16:16 |
| tonanhngo | They do change their services a little, so this will impact our integration | 16:16 |
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| tonanhngo | They do recognize it's taking a long time, so they are trying hard to wrap this up | 16:17 |
| hongbin | It looks we are not able to integrate with Kuryr at this cycle | 16:17 |
| tonanhngo | We do have a dependency on them | 16:17 |
| hongbin | ok | 16:17 |
| tonanhngo | I think by the summit, we should have all the patches working, but unless they turn around quickly, it may not make into the release | 16:18 |
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| hongbin | ok | 16:18 |
| hongbin | Let's see how is everything going | 16:18 |
| tonanhngo | They are breaking out the REST/RPC server from the current libnetwork driver and running it separately | 16:19 |
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| tonanhngo | From our side, I continue with the code patches, expecting to make changes as needed | 16:19 |
| hongbin | ok | 16:19 |
| tonanhngo | I pushed to Docker Hub 2 images for our use | 16:19 |
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| tonanhngo | and have been testing against these | 16:20 |
| hongbin | tonanhngo: From the dependency point of view, what exactly we needs to depends on Kuryr | 16:20 |
| hongbin | tonanhngo: Needs to enable Kuryr in our devstack? or just needs to pull their docker image? | 16:20 |
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| tonanhngo | I think we need 2 things: their new updated Kuryr Docker image, and their new REST/RPC server code | 16:21 |
| hongbin | ok | 16:22 |
| tonanhngo | We will pull their Docker image to run on each Swarm node, and have their server running somewhere (devstack) to respond to requests | 16:22 |
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| adrian_otto | tonanhngo: the image is something they are working on, or something that already exists that we need to try? | 16:22 |
| tonanhngo | The remaining parts should be the same as they are now | 16:22 |
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| tonanhngo | There is an image that I rebuilt from their code before the refactoring, but that image has both the Swarm libnetwork code and the server code together | 16:23 |
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| tonanhngo | So that works for now from the user perspective, but it's different from their new code | 16:23 |
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| tonanhngo | We can make reasonable progress for now, while their new code comes together | 16:24 |
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| tonanhngo | Anyway, they are making a serious effort to wrap up, so I think maybe another week or 2 | 16:25 |
| tonanhngo | That's all for now | 16:25 |
| hongbin | Thanks tonanhngo | 16:25 |
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| hongbin | #topic Other blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas | 16:26 |
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| hongbin | 1. Use common tooling for generating API docs | 16:26 |
| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/101380.html API status report | 16:26 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317368/ A proposed patch | 16:26 |
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| hongbin | I can summarize the topic a bit | 16:26 |
| hongbin | At the ML above, I saw Magnum was excluded from teh common navigation of OpenStack API reference | 16:27 |
| hongbin | So, I am searching for our API patch | 16:27 |
| hongbin | Which is the second link | 16:27 |
| hongbin | The patch above proposed to use Swagger to generate the API docs | 16:28 |
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| hongbin | However, it looks Swagger is imcompatible with OpenStack API reference for now | 16:28 |
| hongbin | That means if we continue to use Swagger, we are still excluded from teh OpenStack official API reference | 16:29 |
| hongbin | That is my concern | 16:29 |
| tonanhngo | What should we use? | 16:30 |
| hongbin | The API doc team recommanded another tool | 16:30 |
| hongbin | Let' me find the link | 16:30 |
| hongbin | #link http://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/api-guides.html | 16:31 |
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| hongbin | Sorry. More specific link | 16:31 |
| hongbin | #link http://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/api-guides.html#how-to-document-your-openstack-api-service | 16:31 |
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| hongbin | I saw all other projects followed this link to generate the API doc | 16:32 |
| tonanhngo | Should we rework the current patch with Swagger to use this approach? | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | I find this amusing because six months ago they told us to use Swagger. | 16:33 |
| hongbin | tonanhngo: I think the swagger patch is OK for long term, but we needs another patch for short-term | 16:33 |
| Drago1 | adrian_otto: +1 | 16:33 |
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| tonanhngo | I thought swagger is a good approach also | 16:33 |
| Drago1 | From hongbin's link (next section) : "If your project already has WADL files, they are migrated to Swagger files with every commit to the api-site repository" | 16:33 |
| Drago1 | … "However, some APIs cannot be described with Swagger" | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | in fact, I think that advice actaully came from the same individual who is now pushing a different direction. | 16:34 |
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| swatson__ | Maybe they had a change of heart when they realized not all APIs "can be described with Swagger" | 16:34 |
| hongbin | I pinged the API doc team about this | 16:35 |
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| hongbin | From their response, it looks they want to keep the swagger patch as experiental | 16:36 |
| tonanhngo | So then do we need a two-pronged approach: short term and long term? | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | the good news is that we don't have an extensive API. | 16:36 |
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| hongbin | tonanhngo: That is my understanding of the suggestion from API doc team | 16:36 |
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| Drago1 | I would like to know the shortcomings of swagger, so if anyone has links or wants to talk offline, let me know | 16:37 |
| hongbin | The main problem for Swagger is that it cannot be integrated well with other OpenStack docs | 16:38 |
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| hongbin | There are other shortcomings as well I believe | 16:39 |
| hongbin | which was mentioned in a ML but I couldn't find it now | 16:39 |
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| tonanhngo | Then we should open a blueprint with the details mentioned here and start working on the OpenStack API approach | 16:40 |
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| hongbin | tonanhngo: +1 | 16:40 |
| hongbin | Others, what do you think? | 16:41 |
| rajiv__ | tonanhngo: +1 | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | We need to conform with whatever the prevailing format is. | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | It would be nice if the requirements were really clear. | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | so if we can digest them and put them into terms we can all totally get, then that would be a worthwhile effort. | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | I think a blueprint is a good place for that, so +1 | 16:43 |
| hongbin | ok. Then, let's create a BP for that | 16:44 |
| hongbin | #action hongbin create a BP for API docs | 16:44 |
| hongbin | Let's work on the BP after it has been created | 16:45 |
| hongbin | Any other question? comment? | 16:45 |
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| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 16:45 |
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| jvgrant_ | quick update on bay to cluster | 16:45 |
| jvgrant_ | there are 3 code reviews out | 16:45 |
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| jvgrant_ | close to pushing on api and doc | 16:46 |
| jvgrant_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353726/ | 16:46 |
| jvgrant_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354404/ | 16:46 |
| jvgrant_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354436/ | 16:46 |
| rajiv__ | is there any thought given on magnum services in active-active-active(HA)? | 16:47 |
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| jvgrant_ | most of my time right now is spent merging all the changes that are coming in from other reviews | 16:47 |
| jvgrant_ | so if we could get those reviewed a pushed that would be great | 16:47 |
| hongbin | rajiv__: will discuss that later | 16:47 |
| rajiv__ | next meeting? | 16:48 |
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| hongbin | jvgrant_: OK. I will try to priority the review on taht | 16:48 |
| jvgrant_ | it also appears that our functional tests are over the timeout for jenkins, is there a way to up this timeout? | 16:48 |
| hongbin | jvgrant_: We can increase the timeout, but I don't think it will help | 16:48 |
| tonanhngo | jvgrant_: how about the python client? | 16:49 |
| jvgrant_ | hongbin: with the cluster commands we are basically doubling our time on the api tests | 16:49 |
| hongbin | jvgrant_: It looks there are some unknown issue that blocked the bootstrap of some nodes at the gate | 16:49 |
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| hongbin | jvgrant_: I see | 16:50 |
| jvgrant_ | hongbin: client is the 3rd review and is getting close as well | 16:50 |
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| jvgrant_ | jvgrant: i've seen the tests make it under 2 hours, but also see them take over that. | 16:50 |
| hongbin | jvgrant_: I believe there is a parameter to set teh bay creation timeout | 16:51 |
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| jvgrant_ | hongbin: on average the current api tests take 1 hour 10 minutes to 1 hour 40, so adding the new cluster commands makes it go over 2 hours | 16:51 |
| hongbin | jvgrant_: If it goes over, I am ok to remove the bay tests | 16:52 |
| jvgrant_ | hongbin: i can at least simplify the larger ones for bay | 16:52 |
| jvgrant_ | hongbin: i'll try that and see if it will stay under 2 hours. i don't think we really want 3 hour api tests on each patch | 16:53 |
| hongbin | jvgrant_: ack | 16:53 |
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| hongbin | jvgrant_: Another question for you. Do you mind to add the bay to cluster renaming BP to the meeting agenda | 16:54 |
| hongbin | jvgrant_: That means you are expected to report status of this BP every week | 16:55 |
| jvgrant_ | hongbin: yes, please do. I think we should track this | 16:55 |
| hongbin | jvgrant_: Thanks | 16:55 |
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| hongbin | #action hongbin add rename-bay-to-cluster BP to teh meeting agenda | 16:56 |
| hongbin | Thanks jvgrant_ | 16:56 |
| hongbin | rajiv__: your turn | 16:56 |
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| rajiv__ | is there any discussion on a/a/a/? | 16:56 |
| rajiv__ | or we have to discuss and drive it. | 16:57 |
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| tonanhngo | Can you elaborate? | 16:57 |
| rajiv__ | I mean, what if we want magnum services in active active active state | 16:57 |
| rajiv__ | is there any challenges? | 16:58 |
| rajiv__ | has this been taken care off in existing code? | 16:58 |
| hongbin | Do you mean you want to run multiple magnum-api / magnum-conductor? | 16:59 |
| rajiv__ | yes | 16:59 |
| hongbin | It should work | 16:59 |
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| rajiv__ | We faced issue with other component after failover, so i was curious to know | 16:59 |
| rajiv__ | whether magnum has been tested for this or not? | 17:00 |
| hongbin | rajiv__: please report a bug for that | 17:00 |
| hongbin | SOrry, time is over | 17:00 |
| rajiv__ | ok | 17:00 |
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| hongbin | All. thanks for joining the meeting | 17:00 |
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| hongbin | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 16 17:00:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-08-16-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-08-16-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #startmeeting murano | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 16 17:01:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:01 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic rollcall | 17:01 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:01 |
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| Nikolay_St | o/ | 17:01 |
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| vakovalchuk | o/ | 17:01 |
| StanLagun | o/ | 17:01 |
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| lexplua | o/ | 17:02 |
| freerunner | \o/ | 17:02 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | a lot of folks today =) | 17:02 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | however nothing in agenda for today, so I expect the meeting to be rather short =) | 17:04 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda | 17:05 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Action Items Review | 17:05 |
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| Nikolay_St | uhm | 17:05 |
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| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: may be I'm wrong, but don't we have bi-weekly bug backport topic today? | 17:05 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St: right you are! | 17:06 |
| Nikolay_St | hehe | 17:06 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I haven't written any of the letters though =( | 17:06 |
| vakovalchuk | but action items are more important ^) | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | going to do that today/tomorrow, so putting this back on the AIs | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev_mb move discussion about gate-tempest-dsvm-murano-glare-backend (and upcoming CI jobs) voting to ML | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev_mb ask on ML about congress/mistrall integrations and whether there are folks, who need/use them | 17:07 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | vakovalchuk: do you have our usual backport etherpad updated? =) | 17:08 |
| vakovalchuk | kzaitsev_mb: I do | 17:08 |
| vakovalchuk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-stable-backports | 17:08 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Murano backports | 17:08 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-stable-backports | 17:09 |
| vakovalchuk | I've filtered out just the most obvious unapplicable fixes | 17:09 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | vakovalchuk: thanks! =) | 17:10 |
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| vakovalchuk | the question is should we backport dsl rework | 17:10 |
| vakovalchuk | and multiple api workers | 17:10 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | as always, folks — feel free to comment in the etherpad if you think any of the fixes are inapropriate ) | 17:11 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | vakovalchuk: I've been thinking of that | 17:11 |
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| StanLagun | what is "dsl rework"? | 17:12 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I'd rather skip backporting it, since it feels more like a feature and it alters config variables (I'm speaking about api workers) | 17:12 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | StanLagun: vakovalchuk: +1 what is dsl rework? | 17:13 |
| vakovalchuk | StanLagun: I meant your fixes mentioned in the etherpad. sorry if it is not the right wording | 17:13 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | vakovalchuk: can you pls link the commit? | 17:14 |
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| vakovalchuk | there are 3 of them, one moment | 17:14 |
| vakovalchuk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349225/ | 17:14 |
| vakovalchuk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349813/ | 17:15 |
| vakovalchuk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349222/ | 17:15 |
| vakovalchuk | hope link tag is not necessary is lines start with https | 17:16 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I'd say that we would need to look at these carefully, as they indeed have some refactor in them | 17:18 |
| Nikolay_St | +1 | 17:18 |
| kzaitsev_mb | vakovalchuk: so initially I'd say no to both backports (dsl patches and api-workers), since both of them have some destructive potential ) | 17:19 |
| vakovalchuk | I agree | 17:19 |
| StanLagun | I don't think that those commits need to be backported | 17:19 |
| StanLagun | They bring new features and sometimes introduce breaking changes | 17:20 |
| vakovalchuk | ok, let's at least backport i18n thing not to feel sad | 17:21 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | on 2d thoughts — api workers are even worse we would not want ops to suddenly restart murano-api and find out that they've spawned multiple workers instead of one | 17:21 |
| StanLagun | Though we can backport some of them. Just be carefull because they could depend on the ew feature | 17:21 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok, let's apply our usual policies here =) | 17:23 |
| kzaitsev_mb | thanks vakovalchuk as usual! =) | 17:23 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Open Discussion | 17:23 |
| vakovalchuk | kzaitsev_mb: no problem! | 17:23 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | So, folks? Does anyone has anything interesting to discuss today? =) | 17:26 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | at least not me =) | 17:27 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | going to wait another 5-10 mins and end the meeting early today if no one steps forward =) | 17:27 |
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| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: I just have a thought | 17:33 |
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| Nikolay_St | may be we need to made a poll in ML about murano meeting bi-weekly time change | 17:33 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St: why so? ) | 17:33 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I'm comfortable with the way it is now ) | 17:34 |
| Nikolay_St | I mean 99cloud is a Chinese company, and may be they want to participate in meetings but it hard to them | 17:34 |
| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: just a suggestion =) | 17:34 |
| Nikolay_St | nothing serious, really | 17:34 |
| vakovalchuk | calm down, guys =) | 17:35 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ah that makes sense, i.e. to have it horizon way | 17:35 |
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| vakovalchuk | Nikolay_St: I thought it was weekly :) | 17:36 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Although our meetings are not that packed | 17:36 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | let's ask zhurong if we really need that =) | 17:37 |
| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: I'll try to do it tomorrow morning | 17:37 |
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| Nikolay_St | or before next meeting | 17:37 |
| kzaitsev_mb | thanks! | 17:37 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok, thanks everyone for coming today, see you folks in #murano | 17:42 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #endmeeting | 17:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 16 17:42:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-08-16-17.01.html | 17:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-08-16-17.01.txt | 17:42 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 16 19:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:00 |
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| andrey-mp | o/ | 19:01 |
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| pvaneck | o/ | 19:01 |
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| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-08-16 | 19:01 |
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| sslypushenko | o/ | 19:03 |
| catherineD | hello everyone ... let's start | 19:03 |
| catherineD | #topic Restrict test result metadata keys | 19:03 |
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| catherineD | #link Restrict test result metadata keys https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348581/ | 19:04 |
| sslypushenko | merged) | 19:04 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko: thank yo uso much!!! I don't feel very comfortable that we expose user OpenID | 19:05 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: I think you caught that right? Thanks a lot for finding that .... | 19:05 |
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| hogepodge | o/ | 19:06 |
| andrey-mp | i reviewed this some ago and i don't mind to merge it ) | 19:06 |
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| catherineD | I really appreciate all of our team work | 19:06 |
| catherineD | I thing sslypushenko: just merged it ? | 19:06 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD: Sorry for delay( It can be done a bit earlier) | 19:06 |
| sslypushenko | now it looks good enough | 19:07 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: not a problem at all.... very good review ... | 19:07 |
| sslypushenko | we need to refactor permission system | 19:07 |
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| sslypushenko | but for now it is good enough | 19:07 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: that is the kind of review we need ... it just happen that this time .. we want to shorten the time of exposure ... I will make a release to update the website this afternoon | 19:08 |
| catherineD | moving on | 19:08 |
| luzC | hello sorry to be late | 19:09 |
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| catherineD | BTW, I want to let everyone know that Luz has been working on documentation using sphinx ... this is what we want to do since day 1 and finaly get it ... THANK YOU luzC: | 19:10 |
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| catherineD | moving on ... | 19:10 |
| catherineD | #topic Procduct version specification | 19:10 |
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| catherineD | #link Specitication to support product model with multi-versions. ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353903/ ) | 19:11 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: could you take a look at this patch ... | 19:12 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD: yeap | 19:13 |
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| catherineD | this patch is a priorty because without laying down this foundation, all of our work is on hold . | 19:13 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: good | 19:13 |
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| catherineD | in that case let's look at andrey-mp: comment on line 51 .. | 19:14 |
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| sslypushenko | on it right now... | 19:14 |
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| catherineD | so task here is model a "1 to N" product to version relationship ... | 19:14 |
| andrey-mp | it's not right | 19:14 |
| sslypushenko | Basically, I agreed that Andrey's comment will simplify development | 19:15 |
| andrey-mp | task is 'let user define several versions for product family' | 19:15 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: suggest to add a version column to the product table ... I see this as 1- 1 releationship between product and version ... | 19:15 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: the task is mode; " 1 product can have 0 to many version" | 19:16 |
| catherineD | or I should say the requirement | 19:17 |
| andrey-mp | yeah | 19:17 |
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| catherineD | from OpenStack Foundation | 19:17 |
| andrey-mp | it's ok | 19:17 |
| sslypushenko | Market place does not provide any uid for now, so I agreed with andrey-mp suggestion | 19:17 |
| andrey-mp | why adding a version column doesn't suite this requirement? | 19:17 |
| hogepodge | andrey-mp: I brought up the design to have a new product for every version, the DefCore Working Group did not like it | 19:18 |
| catherineD | let me answer sslypushenko: question first | 19:18 |
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| sslypushenko | catherineD: it is easy... just think about product_version as product | 19:18 |
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| sslypushenko | that is it... | 19:18 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko: that is the issue product_version is not a product | 19:18 |
| sslypushenko | but technically there is no difference | 19:19 |
| hogepodge | andrey-mp: On the basis that it adds complexity to the end user. The strong preference was to have a new version table that linked to product, and the test results linked to version. This way one product can have many versions | 19:19 |
| catherineD | please read the long disucssion between me and andrey-mp: on http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23refstack/%23refstack.2016-08-12.log.html | 19:19 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko: techically it is an issue | 19:19 |
| andrey-mp | hogepodge: we are talking about internal desing of DB. Will DefCore check internal implementation or they will see a ForntEnd? | 19:20 |
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| sslypushenko | hogepodge: catherineD: database is not exposing to the user | 19:20 |
| catherineD | as I describe in http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23refstack/%23refstack.2016-08-12.log.html | 19:20 |
| sslypushenko | yeap andrey-mp +1 | 19:20 |
| sslypushenko | user will se product with versions | 19:20 |
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| hogepodge | andrey-mp: catherineD came to defcore to talk exactly about this problem, the internal representation, and this was the design we worked out | 19:21 |
| sslypushenko | in database it will be separate record per product + version | 19:21 |
| catherineD | can I go throught the scenario I did with andrey-mp: last Friday to descirbe why adding a version will not work | 19:21 |
| catherineD | I will signal when I am done | 19:21 |
| catherineD | first of all every one agree on the requirement that 1 product can have o to many versions right? | 19:23 |
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| andrey-mp | yes | 19:23 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: you? | 19:23 |
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| sslypushenko | yeap sure | 19:24 |
| catherineD | ok | 19:24 |
| catherineD | now if the version column is add to the "product" ... | 19:24 |
| catherineD | Let say you create a product name "Mirantis OpenStack " https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/distros/ | 19:25 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: what are the version of the product (give me two versions) | 19:26 |
| sslypushenko | 7.0 8.0 | 19:26 |
| catherineD | ok so last time you create a product in the product table name = Mirantis OpenDStack version=7.0 | 19:27 |
| catherineD | now with 8.0 | 19:27 |
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| catherineD | with this model you will need to create an other entry to the product table with name=Miratnis OpenStack version=8.0 | 19:28 |
| catherineD | 2 issues here: | 19:28 |
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| catherineD | 1) this is actually 2 products 2) You can not guarantee that the product names will be the same for the 2 entries ... which refer to one product with 2 versions that should have the same product name .... | 19:29 |
| catherineD | let me going to describe the model with versio ntable | 19:30 |
| catherineD | with version table | 19:30 |
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| catherineD | the first time "Mirantis OpenStack" prodcut is created ... a producit entry is created in the productable .. a version (7.0) entry is created in the version table with foreign key point to the product | 19:31 |
| catherineD | the second time for version 8.0 only additioanal entry is created in the version table to the same product FK ... | 19:32 |
| catherineD | the product name (Mirantis OpenStack) is guarantee to be the same across all version ... | 19:32 |
| catherineD | with that we model a 1-N relationship | 19:33 |
| catherineD | done | 19:33 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD that is clear, thank you | 19:34 |
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| andrey-mp | model issues with additional table: 1) why first version is created for product? 2) who will create this first version? 3) what version will be created for clouds? 4) if clouds will not have version - to which object link will be created? | 19:34 |
| sslypushenko | and it should look to user exactly as you described | 19:34 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: yea | 19:34 |
| hogepodge | andrey-mp: 1) every product has at least one version, 2) server can do it, 3) null/empty/none is ok 4) same as before, null/empty/none is ok, and it's a placeholder | 19:35 |
| sslypushenko | but I also support andrey-mp statement that internally it will be easy to have separate record for each product+vesion | 19:35 |
| catherineD | you can go to http://refstack.mybluemix.net/#/ and see the PoC how a prodcut would look like | 19:36 |
| catherineD | create a product for yourself and then create version after that | 19:36 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: I feel like you still do not get the main issue | 19:36 |
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| sslypushenko | product id should be the same.... right? | 19:37 |
| andrey-mp | hogepodge: link will always point to product+version (sensible or not), right? | 19:37 |
| catherineD | the issue is if you have seperated product entry .. .how do you guarantee that the product name will be the same (keep in mind this is user input parameter ) | 19:37 |
| sslypushenko | hm... I don't see issue here | 19:38 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: it depends on how to implement it in API - method add_version can be created for product. and business logic of RefStack can copy name... | 19:38 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: why should it be the same if the version column is in the product table .... it can only be the same when the version is in the version table and the product name is defined via FK link to a unique product entry | 19:38 |
| sslypushenko | API can guarantee it | 19:39 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: please define the API for me | 19:39 |
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| catherineD | first what is the entry point of the API | 19:39 |
| catherineD | to create 1) a product 2) a new version of a existing product | 19:39 |
| andrey-mp | product_controller.action(add_version, params) | 19:40 |
| andrey-mp | 1) is the same | 19:40 |
| catherineD | I am talking about REST API | 19:40 |
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| catherineD | because that is user facing | 19:40 |
| andrey-mp | me too | 19:40 |
| catherineD | REST API look like this v1/products | 19:41 |
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| catherineD | so with a POST (creation) what is the schema for the body? | 19:41 |
| sslypushenko | POST v1/products/action | 19:41 |
| catherineD | no need for action | 19:42 |
| catherineD | POST v1/products pretty much meand create a product | 19:42 |
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| catherineD | tell me the schema of the boby | 19:42 |
| sslypushenko | it can be POST v1/products/action {'add_version': 8.0} | 19:43 |
| andrey-mp | same as the actions for the vendors | 19:43 |
| catherineD | let's do one thing at a time | 19:43 |
| sslypushenko | but it does not really matter | 19:43 |
| catherineD | concentrate on the create a prioduct first | 19:43 |
| andrey-mp | moreover - additinal controller can be created for versions | 19:43 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko: it matters because I do not see you see the issue that Isee | 19:44 |
| sslypushenko | we are all agreed that from user view it should look like product can have 1 or move versions | 19:44 |
| catherineD | please walk me thru what you think | 19:44 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD: hogepodge andrey-mp right? | 19:44 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: agree but until you walk thru the scenario I do not see your case | 19:44 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: do you agree that REST API can be as you described in spec for DB implementation with additional field in product table? | 19:45 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: no | 19:45 |
| catherineD | I don't see that | 19:45 |
| andrey-mp | why not? | 19:45 |
| sslypushenko | so... I don't see why we should spend so much time on implementation discussion... | 19:45 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: we have too .. .this is not implementation this is foundation of API layer | 19:46 |
| catherineD | we need to discuss because this is blocking our work to achieve our goal for Newton | 19:46 |
| hogepodge | andrey-mp: sslypushenko: creating a new product for every version is wrong. It's a bad model and is too easy to get wrong through a product name type | 19:46 |
| hogepodge | type | 19:46 |
| sslypushenko | DB it is foundation layer? | 19:46 |
| hogepodge | typo | 19:46 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: yes | 19:47 |
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| catherineD | I am willing to try to understand all opinion but we need to discuss the reason and scenario leading to disagreement | 19:47 |
| hogepodge | andrey-mp: the model should capture the model, not the business logic. it only makes sense to squash tables down like that if you really need performance, and afaik we aren't performance constrained. | 19:48 |
| sslypushenko | hmm.... I guess that RefStack API is a Foundation layer... but ok | 19:48 |
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| catherineD | REST API is because that is how user (including RefStack UI ) can get to the data in refstack | 19:49 |
| catherineD | so we need to be clear on the REST API | 19:49 |
| andrey-mp | hogepodge: additional version table brings some problems with current product table. some fields in product table will not be needed, links will be published to the specific version. and in the future version table will be main and the product table will mean 'Product Family' | 19:50 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: sslypushenko: I would like to understand your thoughts ... so please let work on how the REST API and the model underneath it can support 1 product to N versions model | 19:51 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD: that was my point of view... I don't get why DB layer should be considered as external artifact | 19:51 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: I do not see that is a reason why version table should not be add ... | 19:51 |
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| andrey-mp | because it is a splitting product information between two tables | 19:52 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: because DB layer can protect us from having wrong data | 19:52 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD: point of view if very simple, if andrey-mp thinks that we can achieve our goal with less efforts - we should follow his recommendations | 19:52 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: forget about about additional table | 19:52 |
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| catherineD | let me understand you option by explain it to us from the use case (starting from REST API then entries in the table 0 | 19:53 |
| catherineD | we can have as many meetings as we want ... but we need to put this to rest one way or the other | 19:53 |
| andrey-mp | ok. REST API can be the same as you described in spec - it's good. | 19:53 |
| catherineD | I do not disagree with your option but I need to understand that it will suppor the 1 to N model | 19:54 |
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| andrey-mp | yes. it will support | 19:54 |
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| catherineD | andrey-mp: please walk me thru the product creation scenanio | 19:54 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: the issue is I support simplicity too ... but I am not sure that it will support the scenario ... | 19:55 |
| andrey-mp | user creates product. he calls rest api post method for product. business logic creates product item in DB with provided version an other attributes. | 19:56 |
| catherineD | 4 mins left ... sslypushenko: andrey-mp: will you be able to continie the discussion in #refstack | 19:56 |
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| sslypushenko | catherineD: I don't see a problem to follow scenario you described earlier using andrey-mp's suggestion | 19:57 |
| andrey-mp | user adds version. he calls rest api as you defined in the spec. business logic adds one more item with another version and/or other attributes. | 19:57 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: ok so an entry with name=Mirantis OpenStack (MO) and version=6.0 is create in the prodcut table | 19:57 |
| andrey-mp | sorry, i can't continue today... | 19:57 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: How about tomorrow? | 19:57 |
| catherineD | this is blocking us ... | 19:58 |
| catherineD | I am willing to work on your time table | 19:58 |
| andrey-mp | or maybe 10-15 today | 19:59 |
| andrey-mp | minutes | 19:59 |
| catherineD | ok ... I think we can continuew here ... I do not think there are other people using this meeting IRC | 19:59 |
| catherineD | continue on what we just discuss ... | 20:00 |
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| catherineD | we just create a product .. next we create a version of an existing product ... | 20:00 |
| catherineD | what is the RESP API? | 20:00 |
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| andrey-mp | product api is the same as refstack has | 20:01 |
| andrey-mp | versions api is the same as you described in the spec | 20:01 |
| catherineD | we are ok with the product | 20:01 |
| hogepodge | andrey-mp: we've been working on this for weeks now, the same issue around and around. We would like to see forward progress on this | 20:01 |
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| andrey-mp | hogepodge: i don't block the progress. i don't set -1 for reviews. I just posting my concerns about the future of this desicion. | 20:03 |
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| catherineD | so the API for version is v1/product/{product_id}/version with body schema show version name | 20:03 |
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| pvaneck | i dont think creating a product version table adds much complexity at all. | 20:04 |
| pvaneck | Just not fond of the idea of duplicating product information in the product table for each version | 20:04 |
| pvaneck | If a product doesn't have a version, then the user can leave the "Initial version" field blank when creating a product, then a single product_version entry will be created with a null version. Tests will be associated to that. | 20:05 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: do you agree with the API with version creation ? | 20:05 |
| andrey-mp | pvaneck: maximum duplicated information is a name. description, cpid, all other will be different | 20:05 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: yes. I told you that described API for versions is good. | 20:05 |
| andrey-mp | it's a small, consistent REST API. | 20:06 |
| catherineD | the issue here is not duplicate or simplicity .. the real issue is adding a version column to the product table does not reflect the 1 to N model that we need to support | 20:06 |
| andrey-mp | get/list/delete/update/create | 20:06 |
| andrey-mp | i'm not agree | 20:06 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: OK the now we have an additional entry create in the product table right? | 20:06 |
| andrey-mp | right. | 20:07 |
| catherineD | let's keep one conversation | 20:07 |
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| catherineD | so for the first product entry product_id = 11111, product_name = MO, version=7.0 | 20:08 |
| catherineD | so you call v1/products/"11111"/version in the schema body version = 8.0 | 20:08 |
| catherineD | now you create an other entry product_id=22222, name=MO (I assume you copy the name), version = 8.0 | 20:09 |
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| catherineD | so now there are 2 entries in the product table ... | 20:09 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: agree? | 20:10 |
| andrey-mp | ok, this is a concern about REST API. it means that this API is not suitable. | 20:10 |
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| catherineD | then pls define a suitable REST API // | 20:11 |
| andrey-mp | "calling v1/products/"11111"/version in the schema body version = 8.0" it is not suitable. | 20:11 |
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| catherineD | ok np what would be the API? | 20:11 |
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| andrey-mp | let me think - I will write my thoughts tomorrow in the review. | 20:12 |
| catherineD | sure np | 20:12 |
| andrey-mp | I can't define it right now. | 20:12 |
| catherineD | I goal here is to understand your option | 20:12 |
| catherineD | let me know whenever you are available ... | 20:12 |
| catherineD | I just want to moving this forward .. | 20:13 |
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| catherineD | I know that we all want to make the right decision for RefStack ... and I really appreciate it ... | 20:13 |
| andrey-mp | ssure | 20:14 |
| catherineD | I guess we should end the meeting now ... | 20:14 |
| catherineD | THANK YOU ALL soooo much! | 20:14 |
| andrey-mp | I will post my thoughts before your morning | 20:14 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: THANK YOU!!! | 20:14 |
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| catherineD | #endmeeting | 20:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:15 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 16 20:15:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-08-16-19.00.html | 20:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-08-16-19.00.txt | 20:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-08-16-19.00.log.html | 20:15 |
| andrey-mp | bye | 20:15 |
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