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edleafe#startmeeting nova_scheduler14:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 22 14:00:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler'14:00
edleafeAnyone around?14:00
mlavalleo/14:00
_gryfo/14:00
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edleafeLet's wait another minute for the latecomers14:02
woodster_o/14:02
mlavallesound good edleafe :-)14:02
edleafeAlright, let's get started. Probably be a quick one today.14:03
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edleafe#topic Specs & Reviews14:03
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edleafeNothing on the agenda14:03
digao/14:03
edleafejaypipes can't make the meeting today, but he had a request:14:04
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edleafe08:53 < jaypipes> edleafe: would be great to get https://review.openstack.org/357430 and  https://review.openstack.org/357431 merged today if possible just because they represent  merge conflict hell14:04
* alex_xu waves late14:04
edleafe#link https://review.openstack.org/35743014:05
edleafe#link https://review.openstack.org/35743114:05
edleafeSo please review these ASAP14:05
edleafeAnyone else have anything they'd like some eyeballs on?14:05
csatariCan you help me to understand in what form shall I present specs here?14:06
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edleafecsatari: generally you should update the agenda ahead of time so that people can be familiar with it before the meeting14:06
edleafecsatari: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaScheduler14:06
edleafecsatari: The meeting is for discussing problems that can't be resolved on the review itself14:07
edleafecsatari: But since you're here, do you want to post the link?14:07
csatariedleafe: Okay, thanks.14:08
digaedleafe: I have setup ready, sorry for late but it seems everything is working now with Yingxin  script14:08
csatariYes, it would be nice if you could take a look: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310510/1114:08
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edleafe#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310510/14:09
edleafecsatari: ok, I'll have a look later today14:09
edleafecsatari: Are there any specific issues with that that need discussion here?14:09
csatariedleafe: Thanks14:09
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edleafediga: good news!14:09
digaedleafe: anything you suggest for me now14:10
csatariedleafe: No specific issues at the moment.14:10
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edleafediga: no, since I haven't looked at it in a while14:10
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edleafecsatari: ok14:10
edleafeAny other reviews?14:10
digaedleafe: otherwise I can test patchsets related to resource_pool etc14:10
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edleafediga: yes, that would be good. We can look at any issues you find during your testing14:11
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digaedleafe: Yep14:11
edleafe#topic Opens14:11
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edleafeAnything for open discussion?14:12
* edleafe is hearing silence14:13
edleafeOK, everyone, back to work/fun/sleep, depending on your timezone!14:13
edleafe#endmeeting14:13
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openstackMeeting ended Mon Aug 22 14:13:26 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)14:13
digaNothing from my side14:13
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-08-22-14.00.html14:13
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-08-22-14.00.txt14:13
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-08-22-14.00.log.html14:13
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korzen#startmeeting neutron_upgrades15:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 22 15:01:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is korzen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades'15:01
korzenHi all15:01
dasanind_HI15:01
ankur-gupta-fmorning all15:01
korzenare there anyone from upgrades team?15:01
john-davidgehi15:01
korzenoh, I see there are some :)15:02
asinghhey15:02
korzenso today I will chair, since Ihar reported sick15:02
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johndperkinso/15:02
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korzenlet's start with agenda15:02
korzen#topic Announcements15:03
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korzenso I hope that everyone returned home safely after midcycle15:03
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ankur-gupta-fkorzen: any big updates from the midcycle? We saw the presentation. Anything else15:04
korzenin this section I would like to share the midcycle update15:04
korzenyeas15:04
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korzenso Ihar has presented the slides15:04
korzen#link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/18sqjQhNU_SnzNPy4WGJ4pH9-kaPvzJUVnYOo0Vc9AwU/edit?usp=sharing midcycle slide deck for upgrades15:04
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korzenthe intent of this was to introduce the upgrades topic to other core reviewers15:05
manjeets__o/15:05
korzenand generally ask/response to a question - why even care about upgrades15:05
korzendoes it make any sense15:05
korzenthe ultimate goal is to have the zero downtime in data and control plane15:06
korzenin order to do so, we need to introduce the OVOs and allow to run concurrently different version of Neutron API server15:06
korzencurrent effort is to have the OVOs in place15:07
korzenfor newton phase, the network, port and subnet have to be ready and merged15:07
korzenit is also the requirement for push notification to be done also in Newton15:07
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korzenno integration code for above objects are required to be merged15:08
korzenit would be safer to leave the integration code to be merged at the beginning of Ocata15:08
manjeets__korzen: what would be their use without integration ?15:09
korzenmanjeets__, for push notification15:09
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manjeets__afaik we can't have microversioning until it integrates15:09
korzenpush notification is dependent on sending the objects with RPC callbacj15:09
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manjeets__ok15:09
korzen#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-midcycle-workitems the Objects section15:10
korzenin the link, there is what we have discussed and action items at the lines 89-9615:10
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korzenwe would also be mergind the relocate mode stuff, which was stacked in patch queue by 415:11
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korzenno to create too much git conflicts while merging15:11
korzenrelocate model*15:12
manjeets__korzen: so they won't merge until they are conflicting so many other patches ?15:12
korzenso the plan is to merge it very carefully like if their will not break anything critical from release point of view15:13
ankur-gupta-fkorzen: don't we only have a week or two till the n-3 cutoff? Will network & ports be done by then?15:14
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manjeets__port is close i guess15:14
korzenankur-gupta-f, we hope to have them merged15:14
korzenplease review15:15
korzenalso other core reviewers are doing so15:15
ankur-gupta-fports: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351368/         networks: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269658/15:15
korzenthe model relocation, OVO implementation and their integration is what we have in the scope right now15:16
korzenthe next step is to write down the spec how we should proceed with no API downtime15:16
korzenit should be written down before BArcelona summit15:16
korzento agree on final design and try to implement it during Ocata15:17
korzenfortunately there was johnthetubaguy present in the room15:17
korzen, he shared his experience with Nova upgrade story15:17
manjeets__korzen: a general question , is there any testing plan to check running different versions of neutron server concurrently15:18
korzenmanjeets__, that is a good question15:18
korzenwe do not have that one15:18
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korzenbut nova aslo does not have it15:18
manjeets__korzen: you can update etherpad then15:18
manjeets__may be i can give it a try later once it OVO is close to complete15:19
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korzenit is like QA work in my opinion, to have the API server started in 2 nodes15:20
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korzenetc, more of the cross project effort15:20
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korzenso sometime in the Ocata timeframe, we should take a bullet and forbid the contract migration15:21
korzenand see how it will be working for us15:22
korzensome PoC of that should be prepared before we can go to the community and say: contract migration are now forbidden15:23
manjeets__korzen: if you know (does other projects like nova also forbid contract migration) ?15:23
korzenyes, manjeets__ nova has only additive changes to the schema15:24
korzenbut they do not have mixed version of software talking to the DB right now15:24
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manjeets__ok that's less prone to breakage15:24
korzenyou have some small window of API downtime, where the nova-conductor and nov-api has to be restarted15:25
korzenother problem with neutron are plugins15:25
korzenand extensions15:26
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korzenI will take a look how right now the neutron plugins are using the DB and API layer15:26
korzenthe problem here is the arbitrary values additions to neutron resources15:27
korzenand access to the DB model instead of OVO15:27
manjeets__yea I had seen that issue15:27
korzenAPI filtering is also kind of free to use with arbitrary strings15:27
korzenwe should prepare backward compatible dropping off the random filters at API level15:28
korzennot to break the plugins that are relying to do so15:28
korzenso the plugin API need to be revisited15:29
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korzenit is also question for operators, what type of plugins they are using15:30
korzenrefering the official openstack user survey, most of them are using OVS15:30
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korzenfor doing the no api downtime, we would also require having the API microversioning mechanism15:31
korzenbut that is also not so clear how to be handled for neutron15:32
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manjeets__korzen: cinder handles it pretty well but their resources are very less as compared to neutron15:32
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korzenso and the last thing is that NeutronDbObject should be sometime moved into neutron-lib15:33
korzenso that any other networking projects can use it15:33
manjeets__so would base object api also be moved ?15:33
korzenyes,15:34
korzenit wont happen like now, but in the long run it should land in neutron-lib15:34
manjeets__ok15:35
korzenok, that is what I think is the most important update15:35
korzenany questions?15:35
ankur-gupta-fkorzen: Question along similar lines of priority.  This comment from Carl Baldwin on Relocate Tag DB model: "Given that this bug is marked wishlist and is not targeted at Newton,  maybe it is best to hold off until Ocata is open for development. Could  we hold off on merging this unless the drivers team targets it to  Newton?"15:35
ankur-gupta-fShould we put -1 workflows on all the Relocate DB model patches?15:35
korzenankur-gupta-f, it is not required for you to put -1 on workflow15:36
korzenit is the neutron core reviewer responsibility to look at the conficting patches15:37
korzenand merge only that pieces that are safe to Newton deliverables15:37
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korzenankur-gupta-f, which patch has carl_baldwin comment?15:37
ankur-gupta-fCarl's comment pertains to all the db models relocation. So how should we respond?15:37
ankur-gupta-fhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/355536/15:37
ankur-gupta-fafter ihar and Akihiro had already +2ed it15:38
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korzenI guess the right thing to do to is to wait till the drivers meeting and ask them ;)15:39
korzenafter the meeting, if the decision is to -1 all the relocate patches, then we should do it15:39
korzenankur-gupta-f, can you add this item on agenda?15:39
korzenon drivers meeting15:40
korzenI'm not sure when the nearest driver meeting is..15:40
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johndperkinsthursday 4pm MST15:40
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ankur-gupta-fokay I will put it on the agenda15:40
korzenok, thanks ankur-gupta-f15:41
korzenok, any other questions?15:41
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korzenif not then: #topic Object implementation15:42
korzen#topic Object implementation15:42
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korzenlast week Ihar and I had run over the port and network patches15:42
korzenso hope they will be merged in Newton15:43
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korzenI have prepared the multi foreign keys support in NeutronDbObject15:43
korzen#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357207  objects: add support for per parent type foreign keys15:43
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korzenanyone has a patch that want to discuss?15:44
ankur-gupta-fnone from me15:45
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johndperkinsI'm good15:45
asinghhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/35682515:45
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ankur-gupta-fkorzen: I created a Gerrit Dash to keep track of all the OVO stuff if you want me to share the link15:46
manjeets__asingh: what is the question on that patch ?15:46
korzenankur-gupta-f, yes please15:46
asinghkozen: standard_attr_id is biginteger,  Couldn't find a filed in oslo.versionedobjects which is for BigInteger. Used IntegerField instead15:47
ankur-gupta-fhttps://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/?foreach=%28%28project%3Aopenstack%2Fneutron%29+branch%3Amaster+status%3Aopen+NOT+status%3Amerged&title=Neutron+OVO&All+My+Patche=%28owner%3Aself+status%3Aopen%29&My+Object+Patches=%28topic%3Abp%2Fadopt%2Doslo%2Dversioned%2Dobjects%2Dfor%2Ddb+owner%3Aself%29&My+DB+Patches=%28topic%3Abug%2F1597913+owner%3Aself%29&Objects+Need+Review=%28topic%3Abp%2Fadopt%2Doslo%2Dversioned%2Dobjects%2Dfor%2Ddb+status%15:47
johndperkinsnice15:47
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korzenasingh, the IntegerField is fine15:48
asinghkrozen: does it seems right?15:48
manjeets__korzen: to answer that question oslo.versioned object is using python (int)15:48
manjeets__and python's int of arbitary length15:48
manjeets__so won't be issue according to me15:48
korzenmanjeets__, yes, so it is okay to use Integer15:49
johndperkinsankur-gupta-f: url got clipped, can you use a shortener?15:49
korzenankur-gupta-f, yes, it is not working for me15:49
asinghthanks korzen, manjeets_15:49
ankur-gupta-fhttps://goo.gl/v8Q4RC15:50
johndperkinsthnx15:50
korzenankur-gupta-f, yes, now it is ok :)15:50
korzennice, thanks15:51
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korzenok, anything else to discuss?15:51
korzen#topic Open discussion15:52
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manjeets__korzen: so until n3 priority is to review port and network ?15:52
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korzenmanjeets__, yes15:52
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johndperkinsI'm going to push more field test patches for ovo like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357186/ so that should help the later objects, keep an eye out for those15:53
manjeets__If drivers meeting decides to hold on relocating models then I think we should not send any more patches until n315:53
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korzenbut we are free to continue to work on OVO adoption15:53
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manjeets__ok, for complete adoption those are mandatory15:53
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korzenok, so the last thing is that I have limited time to do the review this week, and I will be on PTO till 12th September15:55
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dasanindmanjeets_: korzen_: so the new OVO patches will not be merged then correct?15:55
manjeets__new relocation of model patches not for sure if driver meetings decided to hold em15:56
manjeets__I guess we can then send introduce OVO patches without integration15:56
korzendasanind, I think that OVO patch wont be priority right now15:56
korzenbut we should be prepared to fast merged them after Ocata is openede15:57
korzenopened*15:57
dasanindmanjeets_: korzen: thank you15:57
korzenok, we are running out of time15:58
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manjeets__thanks bye15:58
korzenthanks to all of you15:58
johndperkinsthanks15:58
korzen#endmeeting15:58
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dasanindbye15:58
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harlowja_at_home#startmeeting oslo15:59
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 22 15:59:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:59
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:59
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harlowja_at_homecourtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims15:59
harlowja_at_homecourtesy ping for dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero, haypo15:59
harlowja_at_homecourtesy ping for ihrachys, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz15:59
harlowja_at_homecourtesy ping for lifeless, lintan, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot15:59
harlowja_at_homecourtesy ping for rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar15:59
harlowja_at_homecourtesy ping for therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek16:00
rpodolyakao/16:00
ozamiatino/16:00
harlowja_at_homeyo yo16:00
kgiustio/16:00
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dimso/16:00
bknudsonhi16:00
harlowja_at_homehi hi16:00
bknudsonin another meeting so not able to give this my full attention16:00
harlowja_at_homenp16:00
rbradforo/16:00
jungleboyjo/  Kind-of.  :-)16:01
harlowja_at_home#topic Red flags for/from liaisons16:01
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harlowja_at_homehow's all the things going?16:01
harlowja_at_homeperiodic jobs seem stable16:01
jungleboyjAll the things are the same as far as I know.  :-)16:01
harlowja_at_homeexcept for cue, but known issue there16:01
bknudsonhaven't heard of any red flags keystone-wise.16:01
harlowja_at_homecool16:01
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bknudsonwe've been having a lot of discussions around oslo.cache16:02
harlowja_at_homeuh oh16:02
harlowja_at_homeha16:02
bknudsonnot sure if anyone other than keystone is using oslo.cache today16:02
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rpodolyakanova does16:02
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jungleboyjCinder does not.16:03
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harlowja_at_homebknudson, anything to bring up here yet regarding it, or still TBD?16:03
bknudsonsure -- there have been several bugs reported (that I assume are all related)16:03
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bknudsonwhere it looks like the record we're getting back from oslo.cache is not the record that was put in16:04
harlowja_at_homehmmmm, sounds like jolly caching issues :-/16:04
bknudsonalso, someone's looking at an issue where can't invalidate a whole group.16:04
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harlowja_at_homeyup, sounds like caching, ha16:04
bknudsonalso, someone was looking at an issue where the expiration time wasn't being set on the memcache16:04
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harlowja_at_homek, interesting16:05
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bknudsonI posted a change to the help text for the oslo.cache backend, and a change for the keystone configuration16:05
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bknudsonthat's all I can remember as of now.16:05
harlowja_at_homethx :)16:05
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harlowja_at_home#topic Releases for newton16:06
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harlowja_at_homeso this week is the last week for newton releases16:06
harlowja_at_home'Aug 22-26   R-6     Final release for non-client libraries'16:06
harlowja_at_homeAug 22-26   R-6     Final release for non-client libraries16:06
harlowja_at_homeoops16:06
harlowja_at_homehttp://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html16:06
kgiustican we get an oslo.messaging release?16:07
harlowja_at_homekgiusti, yup16:07
harlowja_at_homeanyone else need specific releases?16:07
kgiustipuh-leeeaase! :)16:07
harlowja_at_homeotherwise i'll get a bigger set out like tommorow or wed16:07
harlowja_at_homekgiusti, u shall pass!16:07
harlowja_at_homeha16:07
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* harlowja_at_home stupid monty python joke hidden in there somewhere16:08
rpodolyakaharlowja_at_home: if we merge the remaining zzzeek's patch, I'll ask for one. But that's not critical for Newton, imho16:08
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harlowja_at_homerpodolyaka, kk16:08
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harlowja_at_homerpodolyaka, in the next couple of days i think is a good deadline for any more patches16:08
harlowja_at_homethen we'll be frozen for a while16:09
* kgiusti looks a bit like a balrog...16:09
rpodolyakasure!16:09
harlowja_at_homekgiusti, thats not monty python, lol16:09
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harlowja_at_home#topic Summit space16:10
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harlowja_at_homeso there are ongoing emails about how much space do we want in the next summit16:10
kgiustiharlowja_at_home: Blue.  No - green!16:10
harlowja_at_home:-P16:11
harlowja_at_homeso expect a email from me about summit space this time, pretty soon16:11
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harlowja_at_homei am thinking that what we had last time we can just do again16:11
harlowja_at_homeit seemed like it worked out fine16:11
harlowja_at_home*except for that josh guy ...16:11
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bknudsonotaca is a shorter schedule?16:12
harlowja_at_home'Oslo: 3fb, 5wr' was what we had last time, fb == fishbowl16:12
harlowja_at_homewr == working room16:12
harlowja_at_homebknudson, that is correct16:12
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harlowja_at_homeits like 4.5 months from what i'm hearing16:12
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bknudsonwow, that is short16:13
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dims#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357214/16:13
harlowja_at_homeyup, vacations and such i guess really kill the cycle16:13
dims"16:13
dimsproposed ocata schedule"16:13
harlowja_at_homethx dims16:13
* harlowja_at_home needs secret decoder ring16:14
jungleboyjbknudson: More pressure means we will get more done.  Right?16:14
harlowja_at_home 5/5/5 3/4/716:14
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harlowja_at_home2/5/616:14
harlowja_at_homelol16:14
lxslithis is to separate the design + marketing summits right16:14
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jungleboyjlxsli: :-(  Yep.16:15
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bknudsonjust write this cycle off.16:15
bknudsonor we could plan for 2 cycles.16:15
bknudsonthat might be interesting16:15
dimsstabilization cycle :)16:15
jungleboyjOr focus the cycle on stabilization.  We ahve talked about that for Cinder.16:15
jungleboyjdims: Jinx.16:15
harlowja_at_homei'm fine with that if others are16:15
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dims:)16:15
harlowja_at_homei always like more stable16:15
bknudsonoslo is already stable!16:16
harlowja_at_homeya, thats the problem16:16
harlowja_at_homewe to stable16:16
harlowja_at_homelol16:16
jungleboyj:-)16:16
lxsliI will continue pushing my patches no matter what the plan says so :)16:16
harlowja_at_homeu get 2 more days of making it unstable16:16
harlowja_at_homeget all the unstableness in, lol16:16
lxsliso about your patch Josh... ;)16:16
harlowja_at_homeerrrr16:16
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* lxsli rerails the meeting16:17
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harlowja_at_homeha, anyway, i'll send out a email soon about the design summit room allocations16:18
harlowja_at_homejust start thinking about it :-P16:18
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harlowja_at_home#topic Reviews needing review16:18
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harlowja_at_homeany reviews people want eyes on?16:18
harlowja_at_homelxsli, ?16:19
harlowja_at_homelol16:19
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harlowja_at_homeor reviews needing discussion here or such16:19
lxslihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/339787/ is a bit stuck16:19
lxsliI think it's nicer with the regex than a load of string processing16:19
harlowja_at_homekk, i'm not to much concerned either way, just don't like having to parse regex in my brain if i don't have to16:20
lxsliSame but with gobs of custom Python16:20
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harlowja_at_homehow about at least `from six.moves import range as compat_range`16:21
harlowja_at_homethat one seems like a good thing to do16:21
lxsliYep I'll fix that right now16:21
harlowja_at_homek16:21
harlowja_at_homeany other reviews people want to bring up?16:22
harlowja_at_homethere are a few in https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tooz that would be nice for people to +A16:22
harlowja_at_homei'm sure jd__ would appreciate those16:22
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harlowja_at_home*nothing to crazy there16:23
harlowja_at_homehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/349683/ would also be nice16:23
harlowja_at_home*more logging (useful when its needed)16:23
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kgiustidansmith: ping - did you get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355981/ unstuck?16:23
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harlowja_at_homeah yes, that one also16:24
* harlowja_at_home pretty sure dansmith would like that one +A also16:24
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harlowja_at_homeand https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351830/ i guess also16:25
* harlowja_at_home thats all the reviews i got :-P16:25
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harlowja_at_home#topic Open discussion16:26
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harlowja_at_homeanything else people want to discuss??? :)16:27
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harlowja_at_homeprob also a good time to start mentioning https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo-specs,n,z16:28
harlowja_at_homeafter library freeze might be good time to start curating that16:28
harlowja_at_homeand/or cleaning up the specs and such16:28
rbradforharlowja_at_home, we can hope!16:29
harlowja_at_homewe can do!16:29
harlowja_at_homelol16:29
* harlowja_at_home hearing the crickets here, so taking that as a sign of not much else to talk about :-P16:31
harlowja_at_homechirp chirp16:31
harlowja_at_homelol16:31
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harlowja_at_homeback to your regularly scheduled programming :-P16:32
jungleboyjThanks.  :-)16:32
harlowja_at_homeping me in #openstack-oslo if anything needed16:32
harlowja_at_home'me or others'16:32
harlowja_at_homethanks for showing up folks!16:32
harlowja_at_home#endmeeting16:32
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rluethihi julen18:00
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julenhi rluethi18:01
rluethijulen: would you like to chair?18:01
julenoh... but I don't know the commands... :P18:02
rluethijulen>18:02
rluethijulen: https://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot18:03
rluethiyou need startmeeting, topic, endmeeting.18:03
rluethithat's pretty much it.18:03
julen#startmeeting training-labs18:03
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julen#topic rst parser18:04
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julenrluethi: did you give it a try?18:04
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rluethiI was about to ask you the same :)18:04
rluethiyes, I did.18:04
julenhehe... I was talking with Pranav on Friday, and he showed me how it works18:05
julenby the way... were is our artist?18:05
rluethiIt's not yet quite as user-friendly as I would like it to be.18:05
julen#ping dbite18:05
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rluethihe sent an email, he's still at work.18:05
rluethiI just barely made it :)18:05
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julenoh... I didn't get it18:06
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rluethihe must have been in a hurry, he just sent a quick note.18:06
julenwell... the cake is pretty done, now it just needs the cherry on top, so the formatting18:06
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julenwell.. first things first18:07
rluethiI would like to think that it will be ready for Newton, but I'm afraid it won't be there in time.18:08
julenI really like the way he handled the different types of blocks, did you take a look to the code?18:08
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julenI think there's not much left... just to output the stuff in bash format, instead of lists18:08
rluethiI looked at it to check why the code needed to import attr.18:09
julenoh! also... what do you think about adding some command line arguments and checks?18:09
rluethiPranav has definitely planned something like this, he just didn't get around to adding it.18:09
julenI still don't understand that attr thing18:10
julenwe were talking about that18:10
rluethiYes, of course it needs at least a "--help" or something.18:10
julenin principle, it shouldn't need it, in the context of osbash, but it's always good to have at least a "-h" and check that there is a valid input file18:11
rluethiof course it needs it, I had no idea how to use it when I wanted to test it.18:11
julenalso for debugging... imagine that we accidentally pass an empty variable or something18:11
rluethithat's all the use case I need.18:11
julenhehe! me neither :)18:12
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rluethiso, I tried to help, but quite frankly I don't know what to test and how, or what to look for.18:13
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julenI think that the ball is in his roof right now18:13
julenwe could try to format those lists as bash, but he probably has a good draft almost ready to push, so it could be a waste of time18:14
rluethiI do know that pylint almost fainted, but that's mostly over variable names and I don't care about that all that much.18:14
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rluethiWe should probably start looking at Newton. It will be a manual port.18:15
rluethiIt's usually several days worth of work.18:15
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rluethiTwo days if all goes well.18:15
rluethiIt never does.18:15
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julenuff... these things always seem more simple in my head, but in the reality there are always more difficulties18:16
julenI guess we'll have to wait until next week18:16
rluethiokay.18:16
julenby the way, I won't be here next week18:16
rluethiso for the time being, you will work on rst2bash?!18:17
julenwell.. that's Pranav's thing. I can surely test and give feedback, or maybe add the command line arguments, but that's quite simple18:18
julenhe told me that I could take a look to the Newton update18:19
rluethianything else you are working on?18:19
julenbut I also have the backport you suggested in the queue...18:19
julenmostly working on trying to get some time to take care of that backport you suggested last week :P18:20
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julenI guess I can find a few hours this week to take care of that18:21
rluethicool18:21
julenwhat about you?18:21
rluethiI am still working on the Python port.18:21
julen(at least the backport.. the Newton thing will take longer)18:21
rluethiAnd I ran into a problem with KVM and PXE.18:21
julenuff.. that's another big one18:21
julen#topic python-port18:21
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rluethiKVM needs to boot from the second NIC, but after trying the first NIC (unsuccessfully), it somehow keeps the first network as the one containing next-server.18:22
julenone thing for both of you: could you put copy/paste kind of commands for testing those scripts?18:22
julen(on the README)18:23
rluethiwhich scripts?18:23
julenboth the python port and the rst script18:23
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rluethipython port: ./st.py --help18:23
julenI tried to give a try to the python script and I think it didn't work for some reason (maybe dependency missing or something)18:23
julenaha! ok :)18:24
rluethiif it has any dependencies, that's most likely a bug.18:24
rluethiit should not have any dependencies other than python, that is a design requirement.18:24
julenI'll try it again and send you were did I get stuck exactly18:25
rluethiI'm afraid the code in the repo is somewhat out of date, I'll have to push an update. I'll let you guys know.18:25
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julenthat NIC issue... what do you mean with booting from the NIC?18:26
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julenfor installing the operative system?18:26
rluethiwell, with VirtualBox I can specify the boot order of network interfaces.18:26
julenoh! true...18:26
rluethiso it starts PXE booting on the management network.18:27
rluethion KVM, I don't know how to change the order.18:27
rluethiso it tries the wrong one first and it looks like it gets confused by that even if no server replies to those requests.18:27
julenuff.. I don't remember it either...18:27
julenyou run it with virt-install right?18:28
rluethiyes.18:28
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rluethibut that's not a requirement.18:29
julenaha! here it is:18:30
julen#link http://stackoverflow.com/a/19162267/582036018:30
julenoh.. but it does not specify which NIC...18:30
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rluethiyes, it talks about the order of different media, but not the order of NICs.18:31
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julenthe problem is, that it probably requires hacking the xml file. That's not so elegant18:32
rluethibah. nothing in libvirt is ever elegant.18:33
rluethiit's by design.18:33
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julenit is possible to select it with the GUI (virt-manager) so there should definitely be a way to do it18:33
rluethiWe already build XML files on the fly to configure KVM networks.18:33
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julentrue... I did it the same way for bomsi18:34
rluethiInteresting. I guess all we have to do is check the differences the switch causes in the XML files and do that.18:34
julenthat's a good idea! ... I was thinking of how frightening must be to start checking the source code of virt-manager... but that's much more simple :)18:36
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rluethiI sure hope so.18:36
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rluethican you send me a screenshot of the option in virt-manager? I can't find it, but I'm afraid it may be because the Linux distro on my workstation is showing its age.18:38
julenprobably it is possible to pass some other tag, for example <boot dev="network" NIC:"MAC">18:38
rluethimaybe.18:40
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julenok, but first try: Boot options > Boot device order , and that should show Virtio Disk, IDE CDROM, NIC: MAC and NIC:MAC18:40
julendon't you have that?18:41
rluethiI don't think I do.18:41
rluethiI have version 0.9.118:42
julenwhere should I put the screenshot?18:42
rluethijust shoot me a mail.18:42
julenisn't there some pastebin like thing for pictures?18:42
rluethiyes, of course there's email, but don't you have something more complicated? :)18:43
julendone18:43
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julen:P18:43
rluethiawesome. thank you.18:44
rluethido we want to talk about the summit real quick as well?18:44
julenI'm using virt-manager v 1.0.118:45
julen#topic summit18:45
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julensure18:45
julenlet's cross our fingers for Pranav getting his talks, including the training-labs one...18:45
rluethiSo, Barcelona is a city constantly overrun with tourists. If we want to get hotel rooms in a decent location for a decent price, we should consider booking soon.18:46
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julenI totally agree18:46
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julenthe thing is, I am starting next week on my new job, and in principle I think the would allow me to go, but I'm not 100% sure18:47
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rluethithe time to ask them is now :)18:47
rluethitell them the training-labs team is counting on you.18:48
julenlet's say, I am kind of 85% sure that it will work, but there are some uncertain variables, like the strong bureaucracy...18:48
rluethigot a job at IBM? :)18:49
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julensure.. I will know at latest next week18:49
julenhehe!18:49
julenwell... Fraunhofer :P18:49
rluethiHeh. Close enough.18:49
julenhehe...18:50
rluethiAlthough some of these science guys are pretty free wheeling.18:50
rluethiAlso, whether or not we get a talk, we have to arrange meetings with the docs people so we can sync up with them.18:51
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julensure... this is why I am so excited about that job... but it's also true that there is usually plenty of paperwork, and well... think about this new guy who wants to go on a business trip (or vacation) right after starting...18:51
rluethiWe need to make sure that we understand their needs and that they understand how we can help them.18:51
julendefinitely18:51
julenand it would be good to have some presence in the academy18:51
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rluethiyou can do training courses at Fraunhofer :)18:52
julenI still don't understand why they are suggesting newbies to get started with the developer tools...18:52
rluethiwho does?18:52
julenhehe.. I can try...18:52
julenwell.. check places like ask.openstack, every time someone asks how to get started, there always always people suggesting the devsolution and the packsolution...18:53
rluethiin other words: training-labs marketing sucks.18:54
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rluethiwe need to get better.18:54
julenso, I think that the openstack academy is certainly a place to go, and try to mention training-labs as much as possible18:54
rluethiwhere's our mascot?18:54
julenwell... but it does work pretty good already18:55
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rluethithat's a good idea.18:55
julenwait.. before the maskot...18:55
julenhmm... what did I want to say...18:55
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julenoh! vbrownbag, if it doesn't work with Pranav's proposal, we should definitely go for a vBrownBag talk18:56
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julenoh! almost 21:0018:56
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julenlet's talk about the maskot thing some other time18:57
rluethibrown bag might be an option.18:57
julenbut I am really excited about having some logo :D18:57
rluethiyes.18:57
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rluethilet's call it a day :)18:57
julenyes.. and they are short and dynamic, so no need to get into boring technical stuff18:57
julenwell... thanks for the meeting :)18:58
rluethithank you for coming.18:58
rluethidon't forget endmeeting18:58
rluethi:)18:58
julen#endmeeting training-labs18:58
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rluethibye, ttyl18:59
julenthere we go18:59
julenbye...18:59
rluethiwell done18:59
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redrobot#startmeeting barbican20:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 22 20:02:57 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'barbican'20:03
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redrobot#topic Roll Call20:03
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redrobotas usual our agenda can be found here:20:04
redrobot#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican20:04
redrobotlooks like nobody added topics to the agenda before the meeting20:04
redrobotso I'm going to invent topics as we move along20:04
redrobot#topic Midcycle Recap20:05
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redrobot#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-newton-midcycle-topics20:05
redrobotThe midcycle was a great success!20:05
redrobotthanks to everyone who made it in person and/or on hangouts!20:05
redrobot:D20:05
redrobotThere were quite a few action items to come out20:05
redrobotmostly for me >_>20:05
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arunkantredrobot: just added agenda item https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda20:10
redrobotarunkant thanks20:10
redrobotany questions comments about the midcycle?20:10
redrobotok, moving on20:11
redrobot#topic Multiple Backend spec20:11
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redrobotwe talked about this at the midcycle quite a bit.20:11
redrobotI haven't had a chance to finish up the oslo.config spike to figure out support for our preferred config method20:12
redrobotbut I'll dig into it some more today20:12
arunkantredrobot: So I have updated spec and API doc to follow new style of config20:12
redrobotin the mean time, please help review20:12
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redrobot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263972/20:12
redrobot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341803/20:12
redrobotImplementation:20:12
arunkantredrobot:  Also I was able to implement that way..So impl code has new syle of config..20:13
redrobot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348092/20:13
redrobot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354285/20:13
redrobot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357544/20:13
redrobot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358162/20:13
redrobotarunkant awesome!  so I don't need to dig into that...20:13
redrobotarunkant I'll try to get at least the spec and docs reviewed today20:13
arunkantredrobot: yes..so its just runtime registration of new sections with params..20:14
redrobotI think it would be awesome if we can get this feature landed this week20:14
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arunkantredrobot: Yes that will be great . If spec and API can land this week..that will be awesome. I have +2 from alee on them as he already went through it.20:16
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redrobotarunkant k20:17
redrobotany other questions comments on multiple backend spec?20:18
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redrobotok moving on20:19
redrobot#topic Mascot20:19
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redrobot#info our mascot is the Sea Urchin20:19
redrobotnot sure I've mentioned it during the meeting20:20
redrobotbut I think it's awesome20:20
redrobotprobably because I got to pet a few urchins while on vacation :D20:20
* redrobot is really stretching for topics here20:20
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redrobot#topic Open Discussion20:21
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redrobotany other topics we need to talk about?20:21
redrobotif not we'll be wrapping up early today20:21
arunkantcan this be merged as it has two +2 ..https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344993/20:22
woodster_redrobot: that's a good one for you to review/merge20:22
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woodster_redrobot: doubt it affects your prod work, but just in case....20:23
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redrobotarunkant woodster_ sure, I'll take a look20:23
arunkantredrobot: thx20:23
redrobotarunkant looks like it's dependent on a change that is failing the gate.20:25
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woodster_redrobot: are you referring to this one?: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344993/20:27
arunkantredrobot: which change.. I see 2 conflicts with those changes (one is multiple-backend) but not sure how to see dependent part ?20:28
redrobotwoodster_ arunkant oh, it's a conflict, nevermind20:28
* redrobot forgot to gerrit20:28
redrobotwill look at it some more after the meeting20:28
redrobotany other topics?20:28
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redrobotcool deal, we'll get 30 min of day back \o/20:31
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redrobotthanks for coming everyone! :D20:31
redrobot#endmeeting20:31
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