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moshelehi13:00
edandhi all13:00
moshele#startmeeting sriov13:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug 23 13:00:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is moshele. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:00
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snikitinhi13:00
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moshele#topic Improving SR-IOV/PCI Passthrough CI13:01
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mosheleso lenny  is on PTO so I don't have any update here13:02
moshelewe merged     Fixed manager.py to support multinode test on vnic_port - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335447/13:02
mosheleso this is good13:02
mosheleI didn't see any reviews on the migration tests13:02
moshelelbeliveau: are you still working on them?13:03
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lbeliveauyeah, I still need to address lenny's comment, will work on them end of this week13:03
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moshelecool13:03
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moshelealso we will try to do PF passthrough CI13:04
moshelewe may get the red hat help on this :)13:04
lbeliveaucool, done with mellanox ci ?13:04
mosheleyes13:05
moshelewe tested a bit the PF pass through  and the basic functionality is working13:05
moshele#topic Patches for Subteam Review13:06
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mosheleso we have 2 critical patches for migration-revert that need core reviews13:06
mosheleUpdate binding:profile for SR-IOV ports on resize-revert - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347444/ and     Fix drop_move_claim() on revert resize - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34906013:07
lbeliveauI told mriedem that these reviews are stuck in last nova team meeting13:07
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moshelelbeliveau: maybe jaypipes can review  again   Fix drop_move_claim() on revert resize - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34906013:07
lbeliveauyes13:07
wznoinsklate hi13:08
moshelelbeliveau: so I know his on PTO let bug dansmith :)13:08
lbeliveauhi13:08
moshelewznoinsk: hi13:08
dansmithSorry13:08
dansmithI will try to look today. Remind me if I don't :)13:09
mosheledansmith: sure, thanks :)13:09
moshelelbeliveau: regarding this  pci: in free_device method compare devices according to pci_device id - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347558/13:10
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moshelelbeliveau: did you see my respond to jaypipes ?13:10
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jaypipesmoshele: reviewing 349060 now..13:11
lbeliveaumoshele: I haven't, didn't see that in my emails, will look at it today13:11
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lbeliveauperhaps we need to make sure that the device is in "allocated" ...13:12
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moshelethis will be harder to fix13:12
lbeliveauagreed, but will have time to look at it later this week13:12
mosheleok I will try to make again the test and test all the current patches13:13
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mosheleI assume there will be still race condition we need to handle13:13
lbeliveauyes13:13
lbeliveauwe should at least target to have revert functionnality included in newton13:14
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mosheleagree13:14
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moshelewe can fix the racy conditions in next release13:14
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lbeliveauyeap13:14
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moshelewe also have this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1614092  in neutron13:15
openstackLaunchpad bug 1614092 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "SRIOV - PF / VM that assign to PF does not get vlan tag " [Low,Confirmed]13:15
mosheleand this is edand fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357244/13:15
mosheleplease review it13:15
lbeliveauwill do13:15
moshelesorry it this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/161408613:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1614086 in neutron "SRIOV- when numvfs=0 SRIOV agent is failed to start " [Low,In progress] - Assigned to edan david (edand)13:16
moshele#topic Open Bugs13:17
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mosheleso we have some new bugs in neutron/nova13:17
moshelehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/160674713:18
openstackLaunchpad bug 1606747 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "[sriov] nova does't regard second nic after booting" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to xhzhf (guoyongxhzhf)13:18
moshelehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/158282213:18
openstackLaunchpad bug 1582822 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "PCI-PT : SRIOV enabled interface dev_name in pci whitelist does not give the product_id of PF for the direct-physical_network , it always take the VF's product_id" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Chen Fan (fan-chen)13:18
moshelehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/157282613:18
openstackLaunchpad bug 1572826 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "dev name in the pci whitelist is not honored for SRIOV" [Undecided,Incomplete] - Assigned to Moshe Levi (moshele)13:18
moshelehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/161409213:18
openstackLaunchpad bug 1614092 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "SRIOV - PF / VM that assign to PF does not get vlan tag " [Low,Confirmed]13:18
mosheleso most of them are low priority13:18
* sfinucan apologises for being extremely late, but has read the logs13:19
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moshelehi sfinucan13:19
lbeliveauhi13:19
moshelelbeliveau: I want to talk about this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/161409213:20
openstackLaunchpad bug 1614092 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "SRIOV - PF / VM that assign to PF does not get vlan tag " [Low,Confirmed]13:20
mosheleso if you do physical-direct you need to set the vlan on the guest13:20
lbeliveauyeah, not sure if it is a bug, in case a PF passthrough, the guest has to set the vlan13:20
lbeliveauthe only thing that could be automated (I think) is to use cloudinit for setting it up13:21
mosheledo you know of a better solution or just to document this13:21
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lbeliveauI'll look into it13:21
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moshelethat what I was thinking13:21
mosheleand I wanted to move this to documentation13:22
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lbeliveauagreed, that makes sense to document this13:22
moshelethis also will complicate testing in CI13:22
lbeliveaummmm right, we'll need to find a way to automate this, let me think about it13:23
mosheleyes I will do it too :)13:23
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moshelealso there is a bug to improve the  NUMA scheduling  https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/161488213:24
openstackLaunchpad bug 1614882 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "NUMA node scheduling problem" [Undecided,New]13:24
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moshelesfinucan, snikitin: are you planing  to work on this maybe in the next cycle ?13:25
sfinucanyeah, we've been discussing that internally13:25
sfinucanlooks like a feature for next cycle, yes13:25
sfinucani.e. it's a feature request, not a bug13:25
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snikitinsure13:26
moshelethat was my understanding, so when you have a spec ready please add us :)13:26
lbeliveauFYI, we might need a blueprint for this13:26
mosheleok if you need help with spec13:26
lbeliveauwe have an in-house solution for that that is not upstreamed yet, can help13:26
mosheleok cool ;)13:27
sfinucanlbeliveau: Yeah, definitely a full blueprint/spec process13:27
sfinucanlbeliveau: very good to know :)13:27
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lbeliveausfinican: we can co-author it if you want13:27
moshele#topic Specs for Review13:27
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mosheleI put a list of SR-IOV spec that are proposed in Ocata and was proposed before13:28
moshelesee https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sriov_meeting_agenda Under     Specs for Review13:28
mosheleI planning to focus on  SR-IOV HA https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182242/13:30
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mosheleand also the enhance PCI passthrough whitelist to support regex  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350211/13:30
mosheleif you know/have SR-IOV spec that are missing please add them to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sriov_meeting_agenda13:31
mosheleso we can keep track of things13:31
mosheleanyone have something to add here13:32
lbeliveauI'm good13:32
sfinucanditto13:32
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mosheleok cool :)13:32
moshele#endmeeting13:32
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lbeliveaubye13:32
moshelebye everyone13:33
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sfinucanttfn13:33
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EmilienM#startmeeting tripleo14:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug 23 14:00:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
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EmilienM#topic rollcall14:00
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EmilienMhello folks14:00
saneax\o14:00
shadowerheya14:00
sshnaidmo/14:00
mandrehello14:00
dprincehi14:00
chemhi14:00
rhalliseyhi14:00
beagleso/14:00
weshay0/14:00
akrivokahiya \o14:01
Jokke_o/14:01
EmilienM#topic agenda14:01
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EmilienM* review past actions items14:01
[1]cdearborno/14:01
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EmilienM* one off agenda items14:01
EmilienM* bugs14:01
EmilienM* Projects releases or stable backports14:01
EmilienM* CI14:01
EmilienM* Specs14:01
EmilienM* open discussion14:01
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EmilienM#topic past action items14:02
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florianfo/14:02
EmilienM1) tripleo team to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298732/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342261/14:02
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EmilienMone is merged the other is WIP14:02
EmilienMlooks like d0ugal needs more time14:02
hrybackio/14:03
EmilienM2) EmilienM to check & release stable branch this week if needed -> needs to be postponed, I haven't checked yet14:03
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EmilienM3) EmilienM to propose periodic scenarios CI jobs testing on ML -> done. Discussion ongoing on ML and Gerrit, please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356675/14:03
adarazso/14:04
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EmilienMany question about past actions items?14:04
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EmilienM#topic one off agenda items14:04
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EmilienMmandre: go ahead14:04
tbarron|gonehi14:05
coolsvap_o/14:05
EmilienM#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-meeting-items14:05
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mandreso, I'd like we have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313632/14:05
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mandreit's a patch to bootstrap ansible framework on the undercloud14:05
jristwe really need it for the UI14:05
mandreit's used for validations14:05
jristfor 1014:05
jristsorry I mean newton14:05
jrist:)14:05
mandrea couple of things came up during the review14:05
EmilienMjrist: better ;-)14:05
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mandre1. can we use ansible API directly?14:06
EmilienMit seems like a disagreement between dprince and UI/API folks?14:06
jtomaseko/14:06
d0ugalHey, sorry I am late :)14:06
mandre2. do we want to make this ansible framework more generic and use it for more than just validations14:06
mandrethe main blocking point, I think, is do we store the private SSH key on the undercloud14:07
EmilienMwasn't it something defined in a spec?14:07
dprincemy concerns mostly rely about how we manage the private ssh key. I'm not a fan of storing such keys long term in the undercloud.14:07
EmilienMI'm surprised to see this design conversation out of a spec14:07
dprinceif we were to use #1 we could avoid storing the key locally14:07
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dprinceif we use #2 I think we need to take more care about storing the private key, writing it out, and possibly cleaning it up to accomidate the CLI version of Ansible14:08
mandrewe do have a spec, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255792/14:08
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jristdprince: will this all change if Tower is Open Source?14:09
dprincejrist: perhaps, but we are essentially implementing a "poor mans tower" with this I think14:09
jristbut we have no choice :)14:09
mandrehowever, the spec doesn't cover in details how to boostrap ansible on the undercloud14:09
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EmilienM+1 with dprince14:10
EmilienMmandre: that's a problem imho14:10
EmilienMthe spec should cover that thing14:10
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jristspecs are hard some times14:10
jristonce you get going you discover new issues14:10
jristthey are not perfect14:10
dprinceEmilienM: the spec doesn't get into this detail. ANd I think that is fine. It is okay to catch some things in review14:11
jristthe problem is the timing, dprince14:11
EmilienMit sounds like we need to amend the spec or at least continue the design discussions on ML or Gerrit14:11
dprinceI think the frustration is there has been several attempts at this and it is tricky14:11
jristwe need a decision on a resolution today14:11
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EmilienMjrist: we can't fix all today ;-) we have multiple other topics that also need to be fixed today14:11
jristI didn't say fix it today14:12
jristjust a decision on the direction14:12
EmilienMI would rather try to find a concensus on the ML asap14:12
dprinceMy thought is that Ansible is part of the problem here in that the lack of a "Stable" library/API is forcing us to store the SSH key. I'd much rather just see us use Ansible properly which IMO is this: http://docs.ansible.com/ansible/developing_api.html14:12
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dprincemandre: has pointed out we'd have to work around some Mistral action issues with that approach, but it gets us into a better (less statefull ssh key) place I think14:13
shadowerdprince: that API requires an SSH key as well14:13
shadowerdprince: or rather, Ansible depends on a passwordless SSH access to nodes14:13
dprinceshadower: yes, but it doesn't have to be written to disk in the same manner I think, right?14:13
mandredprince: I don't see how using the ansible python API would avoid persisting the key, maybe we can develop after the meeting14:13
shadowerdprince: it does14:13
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shadowerdprince: as it currently stands at least14:13
dprincemandre: you aren't blocked I think with the current approach14:14
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dprincemandre: just avoid reading the key from the undercloud. I've said this same thing in past reviews... I'm not a fan of that. Store it elsewhere and write it out as needed14:14
shadowerdprince: I've written an API that the UI was going to use before we decided to go with Mistral. It used the python API and its SSH key requirements were identical14:14
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dprinceshadower: same comment then, all of my disklike is due to how we manage this private ssh key14:15
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dprinceI think this isn't good in general, but it would conflict with future features like an HA undercloud14:15
mandredprince: maybe we can manage the private key outside of the undercloud in a next iteration?14:17
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dprincemandre: we could, yes. But I think it should be possible to do just as well now no?14:17
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mandredprince: time constraints... M3 is approaching fast14:18
shadowerdprince: mind the time and review queues of the core devs.14:18
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dprincemandre, shadower: sorry if this seems harsh but I really feel like me concern here is nothing new. I'm not blocking in anyways. Just a -1 on storing the key in this manner14:18
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mandreright, this is the reason I want to involve more cores in the discussion14:19
dprincemandre, shadower I'm willing to help brainstorm or implement this FWIW14:19
EmilienMok, 15 min on this item, can we follow-up on ML maybe?14:20
mandredprince: would it make it for newton, though?14:21
EmilienMwe might need FFE14:21
EmilienMbut I'm not the PTL, we need to check with shardy if he would agree14:21
shadowerwhen is he going to  be back?14:22
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EmilienMend of week probably14:22
jrist;(14:22
dprincemandre: maybe, maybe not. Sometimes holding until it is right is a good thing14:22
EmilienMI suggest you to continue this discussion on IRC/ML using public channels14:22
EmilienMwe need to move ahead to the next item14:23
EmilienMmandre: please continue on ML14:23
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EmilienMI'm sure we can find concensus this week14:23
mandrewill do14:23
EmilienM#action mandre to continue ansible/sshkey discussion on ML / Gerrit and find concensus with dprince14:24
EmilienMchem: next item14:24
chemhi, just wanted to give a little up on those M/N upgrade reviews.  There are very shorts.14:24
EmilienMw00t, nice work here14:25
chemthat's basically all :)14:25
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EmilienM#action tripleo team to review upgrade patches: https://review.openstack.org/358022 , https://review.openstack.org/358006 , https://review.openstack.org/358005 , https://review.openstack.org/357022 , https://review.openstack.org/354713 , https://review.openstack.org/35775014:25
EmilienMchem: thanks14:25
EmilienMskramaja: your turn14:25
skramajathanks.. we have made a short recording on SR-IOV14:26
skramajahttps://bluejeans.com/s/63pWQ/14:26
EmilienM#link SR-IOV demo https://bluejeans.com/s/63pWQ/14:26
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skramajato demonstrate the ping between 2 VMS with SR-IOV nics..14:26
EmilienMskramaja: thanks for sharing14:26
skramajacomments are welcome..14:26
skramajaand14:26
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EmilienMskramaja: don't hesitate to share it on the ML also14:26
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skramajawe have closed all the comments on specs. PTAL14:26
skramajasure..14:26
EmilienMskramaja: ok so spec is ready for review?14:26
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skramajayes.14:26
EmilienM#action tripleo team to review sr-iov spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313872/14:27
EmilienM#link sr-iov spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313872/14:27
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skramajathanks EmilienM thats all from my side..14:27
EmilienMJokke_: you're next14:27
Jokke_just quick one14:28
Jokke_Manilla Ceph FS Native integration14:28
Jokke_Should be ready for reviews14:28
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EmilienMdo you have a gerrit topic handy?14:28
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Jokke_http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/101968.html https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354047/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358525/14:28
Jokke_I do realize that we're on the last squeeze so I took bit advance and sent request for considering it as FFE candidate if it does not make it14:29
EmilienMwe'll have to check with shardy this request14:29
Jokke_that's it from me, thanks!14:29
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EmilienMcool14:29
EmilienMakrivoka: hey14:29
EmilienMit sounds like it's about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349532/14:30
EmilienM#action tripleo team to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349532/ "Add default plan creation"14:30
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akrivokaEmilienM: yes, I just wanted to draw attention to that, we need it for better UI exp14:31
akrivokaEmilienM: thanks14:31
EmilienMoki14:31
EmilienMany more items for today?14:31
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EmilienMok let's go ahead in the agenda14:32
EmilienM#topic bugs14:32
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EmilienM#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/newton-314:32
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EmilienMso about $topic, I sent an email about launchpad, please subscribe to emails notifications14:33
EmilienMalso, as a reminder, please do self triage when you report a bug14:33
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EmilienMit seems like we have a bunch of bugs "in progress" -> make sure they are updated if you're assigned14:34
EmilienMdo we have outstanding bug we need to talk about this week?14:34
EmilienM(/me comes back from PTO, I'm still catching up)14:34
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EmilienMslagle: I see 2 critical bugs in progress14:35
EmilienMhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/161262214:35
openstackLaunchpad bug 1612622 in tripleo "CI: Exception registering nodes: Node 59ecc491-41b0-4950-8d00-ddce532ba0f4 is locked by host localhost.localdomain, please retry after the current operation is completed" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to James Slagle (james-slagle)14:35
EmilienMand https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/161333114:35
openstackLaunchpad bug 1613331 in tripleo "ironic using public endpoint to configure ipxe template during deployment" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to James Slagle (james-slagle)14:35
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EmilienMI think we can close them14:36
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EmilienMsounds like huge interest in bugs :-)14:36
sshnaidmEmilienM, agree, it seems to be solved14:37
slagleyes, the ironic one is fixed14:37
EmilienMok, let's close them14:37
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EmilienManything else critical?14:37
EmilienMok  next topic14:38
EmilienM#topic Projects releases or stable backports14:38
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shadowertripleo-validations has not seen a release yet (it's new this cycle) and it could use one to help downstream packaging14:38
EmilienM#action EmilienM to check with shardy and the team if we want a new Mitaka release14:38
shadowerhappy to help but I'm not sure how14:38
EmilienMshadower: ok, I can help on this thing14:39
shadowerEmilienM: thanks14:39
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EmilienMshadower: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340350/14:39
EmilienMit's an example of tripleo release14:39
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EmilienMfeel free to submit a patch and add shardy & me as reviewers.14:40
shadowerEmilienM: will do, thanks!14:40
EmilienMwe're currently in R-614:40
EmilienMwhich is the "Final release for non-client libraries" time14:40
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EmilienMnext week will be R-5, newton-3 milestone, feature freeze14:41
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EmilienMand as a reminder, our final release will be during Oct 17-21 week14:41
EmilienMI'll send a reminder on the ML about all dates we need to know.14:42
EmilienM#action EmilienM to send email on ML about TripleO release schedule14:42
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EmilienM#link Ocata release proposal https://review.openstack.org/35721414:42
EmilienMif you're interested in release for Ocata, here's the start of proposal ^14:42
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EmilienMany question about releases?14:43
EmilienM#topic CI14:43
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Jokke_EmilienM: quick one ... are we trailing in Ocata as well?14:44
Jokke_release related ^^14:44
EmilienMsshnaidm, dprince, slagle, derekh: could you guys give an update about CI status please? (I was afk the last 4 days)14:44
EmilienMJokke_: yes14:44
Jokke_ty14:44
derekhSomebody else might want to take this, I'm hands off on CI these days (moving to a slightly different area)14:44
EmilienMJokke_: tailing is our release model14:44
sshnaidmwe had a promote yesterday for repo14:44
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sshnaidm(but not for images)14:45
dprinceEmilienM: there was an outage last week due to an infra change14:45
dprincewith regards to the nodepool credentials14:45
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dprincewe reverted the nodepool credentials back to the previous value on friday and this fixed the OVB cloud14:45
derekhsshnaidm: not for images?14:46
dprinceso, 24 hours or so of the outage on late Thursday/Friday was due to this issue14:46
sshnaidmderekh, out of space on mirror host, images weren't saved14:46
EmilienMdprince: ok, thanks14:46
derekhsshnaidm: ahh ok14:46
EmilienMshadower: :(14:46
EmilienMoops, sshnaidm ^14:46
derekhsshnaidm: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348806/14:46
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dprinceI haven't looked into the nonha job failures today but it seems to be acting up recenlty14:46
sshnaidmdprince, slagle https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348806/14:47
jpeelerdprince: can second that fwiw14:47
EmilienMderekh: +A14:47
sshnaidmI don't see any critical problem for now in CI except of long job duration14:47
EmilienMok14:47
EmilienManything else about CI?14:47
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EmilienM#topic Specs14:48
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sshnaidmjust FYI, POC job of using tripleo-quickstart instead of instack works good14:49
EmilienM#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open14:49
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EmilienMsshnaidm: link?14:49
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sshnaidm#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358919/14:50
sshnaidmjust POC, an additional work is required14:50
EmilienMcool14:51
EmilienManything about specs except what we said in off items?14:51
jpichHave a look at the bug tagging policy, so we can merge the first iteration soon, maybe? :-)14:51
jpichhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/352852/14:51
EmilienMit would be great to have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352852/14:51
EmilienMjpich: in same time :)14:51
jpich:D14:51
EmilienM#action tripleo team to review bug tagging policy https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352852/14:52
jristthanks jpich14:52
EmilienMantyhing else about specs?14:52
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ahana__Hello14:53
EmilienM#topic open discussion14:53
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EmilienMsounds like we have 7 min for open discussion14:53
EmilienMif you have any question or comment, please go ahead, it's the right time14:53
EmilienMany volunteer to drive the next tripleo deep dive?14:54
EmilienMI don't see anyone for Thursday https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-deep-dive-topics14:54
ccamachoHey re OOM issues, in my case adding swap files everywhere solved the issue for me just FYI14:54
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EmilienMccamacho: is there a launchpad # for this problem?14:55
ahana__Hi is this the right forum to ask about neutron flavor implementation?14:55
ccamachommm not really because in CI we are using swap14:55
ccamachobut locally my deployments were quite fragile14:55
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EmilienMahana__: not really, go on #openstack-neutron14:56
shadowerbtw cores: a lot of the tripleo-validations patches have a +2 and are ready for merging: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-validations+status:open14:56
ahana__ok thanks EmilienM14:56
ccamachoand adding some swap solved the issues (Its not a problem at this time) just something that we might consider14:56
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shadowerI emaild the ML but haven't seen people looking much14:56
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EmilienM#action tripleo team to help in reviewing validation's work https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-validations+status:open14:57
* shadower is happy to answer any questions14:57
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EmilienMshadower: thanks14:57
EmilienManything else for today? I'll close the meeting in 30s otherwise14:57
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EmilienMthanks everyone14:58
EmilienMhave a great week!14:58
EmilienM#endmeeting14:58
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hongbin#startmeeting containers16:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug 23 16:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'containers'16:00
hongbin#topic Roll Call16:00
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muraliaMurali Allada16:00
tonanhngoTon Ngo16:00
swatson_Stephen Watson o/16:00
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hongbinThanks for joining the meeting muralia tonanhngo swatson_ hieulq_ jvgrant dane_leblanc16:01
hongbin#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-08-23_1600_UTC Today's agenda16:01
muraliaHi all16:01
hongbinAnything needs to be added to the agenda?16:01
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vijendaro/16:02
hongbin#topic Announcements16:02
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hongbinI have no announcement, any from others?16:02
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hongbin#topic Review Action Items16:02
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hongbin1. hongbin create a BP for API docs16:02
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-doc-rest-api There is already a BP about API docs16:02
hongbin2. hongbin add rename-bay-to-cluster BP to the meeting agenda (DONE)16:03
hongbin#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-08-23_1600_UTC16:03
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hongbinAny question regarding to the review action items?16:03
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hongbin#topic Essential Blueprints Review16:03
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hongbin1. Support baremetal container clusters (strigazi)16:04
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-baremetal-full-support16:04
hongbinstrigazi_AFK: you there?16:04
hongbinIt looks Spyros is not here. Skip this from today's agenda16:05
muraliathe ironic swarm driver got merged.16:05
muralialooks like they need to work on others16:05
hongbinmuralia: good news16:05
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hongbinThanks muralia16:06
hongbin2. Magnum User Guide for Cloud Operator (tango)16:06
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/user-guide16:06
hongbintonanhngo: ^^16:06
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tonanhngoI revised the Labels section from Qin, and it was merged16:06
tonanhngoNext is the Scaling section16:07
tonanhngoSteady progress, we should have the bulk of the user guide soon16:07
tonanhngothat's all for now16:07
hongbinThanks tonanhngo16:07
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hongbinThe guide looks more comprehensive now. Thanks Ton for the hard work16:08
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hongbin3. COE Bay Drivers (jamie_h, muralia)16:08
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/bay-drivers16:08
hongbinmuralia: ^^16:08
muraliaI made some more progress. As discussed before, I've changed the bay-create call to take --driver16:09
muraliaand use that to seletct the driver instead of the earlier options os server_type, distro and coe16:09
muraliahowever, i cant delete the other 3 inputs. they need to be deprecated16:09
muraliaso i need to work on supporting both for now16:10
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muraliaworking on that for now.16:10
muraliathats all from me16:10
hongbinmuralia: could you elaborate the reason to change to --driver?16:10
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muraliaso, right now baymodel has 3 values16:11
muraliaserver_type, distro and coe16:11
hongbinyes16:11
muraliawe use these 3 to select the right tempates16:11
muraliawe dont need all 3 now as inputs.16:12
muraliabecause just be selecting the driver to use, we are choosing server_type, distro and coe16:12
muraliaso we can collapse these 3 into just one input --driver16:12
muraliaor --driver-name16:12
muraliabasically, we are just choosing the driver to be used16:13
hongbincould we map the 3 values into a driver (if --driver is not sepcified)16:13
hongbinThat means there is 2 options to create a bay16:14
muraliawe could, and thats what i'll be doing to support those 3 for now, but eventually, we should remove them as inputs.16:14
hongbinYes, why remove them eventually?16:14
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hongbinFrom user perspective, I would like to specify the 3 values instead of a driver16:14
hongbinIt is a better user experience from my point of view16:15
muraliawhat is the point though? when just selecting the driver by name is simpler16:15
hongbinHowever, we could offer a optional --driver option16:15
DragoFor me, I would like to do magnum driver-list and see which drivers have what capabilities and specify one option16:15
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tonanhngoDo we have that yet?16:16
hongbinDrago: yes, that is fine. I am arguing if we need to remove the 3 values16:16
muralianot yet. it needs to be added16:16
jvgrantif we support every combination of the 3 values then it might make sense to keep all 3, but if only some combination are valid then having the list and just select the driver seems more friendly16:16
muraliaok, i'll need to support both anyway for now. we'll decide what to do later16:17
hongbinok16:17
DragoAlso, there may be cases where an operator wants multiple bay driver with the same combination of 3 values. Such as a minion/master hybrid node for dev clusters and separated nodes for production16:17
muralialets first get a feel for what the new experience is like16:17
tonanhngoYes, it might be less error prone to look up the matching driver16:17
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tonanhngoand just remember that instead of the combination of 3 values16:17
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jvgranti agree with muralia we have to support both for now anyway, we can take it under consideration as we do the v2 api what works best16:18
hongbinmy concern is that users might find hard to understand each driver and have difficulties to select them16:18
hongbinok. then let's support both for now16:18
tonanhngoSounds good16:18
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jvgrantit would need to be shown to the user in a friendly way16:19
muraliahongbin: makes sense. i'll keep that in for now. lets talk more16:19
hongbinOK. Advance topic16:19
hongbin4. Rename bay to cluster (jvgrant)16:19
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/rename-bay-to-cluster16:19
hongbinjvgrant: ^^16:19
jvgrantThe first major patch went in, so now api has been updated to support ClusterTemplate and Cluster16:19
jvgrantBay/BayModel are still supported, but all new feature work should be done on ClusterTemplate/Cluster16:20
jvgrantso be aware of that with new changes and code reviews16:20
jvgrantseveral more code review are out for more changes:16:21
jvgranthttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/354436/ - Client16:21
jvgranthttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/354404/ - Docs16:21
jvgranthttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/358777/ - Certs16:21
jvgranthttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/358831/ - API cleanup16:21
muraliaoh wow! lots of patches. cool.16:22
jvgrantI've started working on the object and db changes and the first patch for the ClusterTemplate will be out soon16:22
tonanhngoI guess new patches from everyone should now refer to the new terminology?16:22
jvgranttonanhngo: yes please16:22
swatson_Client is basically done but I'll implement those nits once I'm done syncing here16:22
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jvgrantin my opinion, we should consider Bay and BayModel frozen now and only bug fixes go into those. Any changes or new features should go on cluster16:23
jvgrantso we all get used to using the new terms and Bay/BayModel can be retired16:23
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tonanhngohmm, but that would mean we have different behavior16:23
jvgrantthey are still backwards compatible16:24
muraliayes, i would expect them to work the same. we are just renaming it16:24
hongbinwe might not be able to freeze the bay/baymodel16:25
tonanhngoIt's probably OK with new features, but bug fixes should probably go into both16:25
jvgrantyes, bug fixes and anything key should go into both16:25
hongbinbecause they are actually share the code in DB/objects16:25
hongbinok16:25
jvgrantyeah, this is just about api16:25
jvgrantunderneath they will use the exact same code for object and db16:26
hongbinjvgrant: However, most of the changes are not just api16:26
tonanhngoIt's more work, but it may be simplest to just maintain both for now until we remove bay/baymodel16:26
jvgranti guess freeze is a little strong, i guess i meant we should avoid having to duplicate too much between them16:26
jvgrantbut most things will remain the same16:26
jvgrantagreed16:27
muraliaah, makes sense16:27
jvgranteveryone just needs to be aware during reviews to make sure if one is updated then the other api is as well16:27
tonanhngohopefully the unit tests would help to catch them16:28
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jvgranttonanhngo: i have made sure to keep versions of both unit tests so that we check both ways on changes16:28
hongbinIt would be niceer if the API of bay/cluster are consolidate into one though16:28
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jvgrantyeah, i have a change for that, but it made the code pretty complicated. I haven't given up on it though16:29
jvgrantit might be easier once i switch the object and db16:29
hongbinok16:29
jvgrantgood progress over all and thanks to swatson for help on client side16:29
jvgrantthat is all16:30
hongbinThanks jvgrant16:30
hongbinAny other comment/question?16:30
hongbin#topic Kuryr Integration Update (tango)16:31
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hongbintonanhngo: ^^16:31
tonanhngoThe Kuryr team didn't have a meeting yesterday, looks like Taku from Japan was not available to run the meeting16:31
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tonanhngoThere was a number of reviews on the current patches for refactoring16:32
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tonanhngobut the developer working on it apparently was out last week, so no new patches yet16:32
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tonanhngoI have 2 patches now, and I can bring up a Swarm cluster with Kuryr16:33
tonanhngoStill validating and debugging16:33
hongbinwoo16:33
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tonanhngoWhat I am thinking is that we can go ahead with the current Kuryr driver16:33
tonanhngobasically it's the Mitaka version16:33
hongbinwfm16:34
tonanhngoand have it working with our Swarm cluster16:34
tonanhngowhen we have the new driver, we can do some rework to fit it in16:34
muraliasure16:34
tonanhngothe functionality is the same, so it should be transparent to the user16:34
tonanhngoThat's all for now16:35
hongbinThanks tonanhngo16:35
hongbin#topic Other blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas16:35
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hongbin1. How many fishbowl/workroom sessions you would like to request in Barcelona summit?16:35
hongbinWe had 5 fishbowl and 5 workroom at Austin summit, but I was told there will be less slots in Barcelona.16:36
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tonanhngoWe will still have the Friday session right?16:36
hongbinWe need to decide how many fishbowl/workroom to request16:36
hongbintonanhngo: Friday session will have two session16:37
hongbintonanhngo: design summit at the morning, meetup at the afternoon16:37
tonanhngoWe can spill over to Friday afternoon if necessary16:37
hongbintonanhngo: what do you mean?16:37
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tonanhngoarrange our own sessions during the meetup16:38
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tonanhngowe can probably fit 3 topics in the afternoon16:39
hongbintonanhngo: The fishbowl/workrrom sessions will be from Wednesday to Friday morning16:39
hongbintonanhngo: At the Friday afternoon, there are all meetup session16:39
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hongbintonanhngo: Yes, uncovered topics will be moved to the meetup session16:40
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hongbinAll, how many fishbowl/workroom we would like to request?16:41
tonanhngoSo, would it be poor manner to request 5 + 5 as in Austin?16:41
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hongbintonanhngo: I think 5+5 is fine, as long as they have enough slots16:42
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hongbintonanhngo: possibly, the result will be 4+4 or 3+3 if the slots are not enough16:42
tonanhngoIn the worst case, they will just tell us what's available and we can go with that16:42
hongbinYes16:43
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hongbinIf nobody has opinion, I will continue to request 5+5 on behalf of the team16:44
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hongbinsilent ....16:44
Drago+1+116:44
jvgrant+1 :)16:44
tonanhngo+116:44
hongbinok16:45
hongbinThat is all for the design summit session16:45
hongbinNext one16:45
hongbin2. Decide the time for Magnum feature freeze16:45
hongbin#link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html Newton release scheduler16:45
hongbinWe needs to choose a date to freeze our repo16:46
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hongbinWhen we are on feature freeze, only bug fixes can go in16:46
hongbinThe freeze will last a few days, until I create a stable branch16:47
tonanhngoDo we allow FFE?16:47
hongbinYes16:48
hongbinI would be flexiable for the freezing date16:48
hongbinHowever, here is the date of release16:48
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muralialooks like the newton release is oct16:48
hongbinAug 29-02 for CLI16:48
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hongbinSep 12-16 for server16:49
hongbinmuralia: Yes, oct is the final release16:49
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hieulq_hongbin: why do magnum not have tag release:cycle-with-milestones?16:51
hongbinhieulq_: I guess that is because nobody asked me to require this tag16:52
muraliai think those dates should work. for the cli, looks like the bay to cluster work is what needs to get done. im adding --driver, but everything will be backwards compatible. i cant think of any other major work in progress. i think those dates should work. for the cli, looks like the bay to cluster work is what needs to get done. im adding --driver, but everything will be backwards compatible. i cant think of any other major work16:52
muralia in progress.16:52
tonanhngoSo if we take 8/29 as the FF and pick the key features for FFE, is there any concern?16:52
tonanhngothis would match other projects16:53
hongbinOK16:54
hongbinAug 29-02 is the CLI release16:54
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hongbinIf we freeze at that date, that is too late (I feel)16:54
hongbinIt is better to make it a week earlier, then I have more time to create the stable branch16:55
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hongbinbut it is up to you16:55
tonanhngoSounds good16:55
jvgrantfreeze CLI on 26th?16:55
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hongbinjvgrant: yes. That could be done16:55
jvgranti think the cluster to bay is the only major feature that needs to get in before then16:56
jvgrantand it is in review and close now16:56
swatson_Hongbin +2'd it but I can put in the nit fixes if we want16:56
swatson_I think the only thing after that is the cert thing16:56
tcammannI'm very late, but would this bp still add value. I have a team member who might have some time available: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/add-hidden-flag-to-baymodel16:56
tcammannIf not could you suggest some a constrained piece that could be completed by someone new to Magnum that would be useful.16:57
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hongbinLet's prioritize for all the CLI patches for now16:57
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muraliatcammann: yes, this would be helpful16:58
hongbinThen, the CLI will be freeze whenever you guys are ready16:58
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hongbinAny concern about the CLI freezing?16:58
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hongbinFor the freeze of server, we can discuss it at the next team meeting16:59
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hongbinTime is up now. All, thanks for joining the meeting17:00
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hongbin#endmeeting17:00
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kzaitsev_mb#startmeeting murano17:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug 23 17:00:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'murano'17:00
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kzaitsev_mb#topic rollcall17:00
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kzaitsev_mblet's see who's up for some murano today )17:01
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vakovalchuk_o/17:02
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kzaitsev_mb#topic Action Items Review17:05
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kzaitsev_mbI wanted to write a letter about glare jobs voting — done and would appreciate some input there17:05
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kzaitsev_mbbasically since I envision another rework to v117:06
kzaitsev_mbI believe that we can keep it non-voting untill that17:06
Nikolay_Stkzaitsev_mb: I'm agree here17:07
kzaitsev_mb2) moving mistral/congress to plugins17:08
kzaitsev_mb#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/move-murano-integrations-to-plugins17:08
kzaitsev_mbhere's a link to bp17:08
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kzaitsev_mbwe're most likely not going to do it in newton anyway, since ff is 2 weeks away17:08
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kzaitsev_mbguess that's all with the AIs17:09
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kzaitsev_mbno specific agenda for today, so17:09
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kzaitsev_mb#topic Open Discussion17:09
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kzaitsev_mbwell, I'd like to remind you folks that N3 is 2 weeks away and N3 marks FF17:10
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kzaitsev_mb#link https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html17:10
kzaitsev_mbso we've got to concentrate on getting important things into newton release.17:11
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Nikolay_Stok17:13
Nikolay_StWell, I've contacted zhu_rong as I promised at previous meeting17:13
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Nikolay_StHe said that he know about 4 other people from China who are interested in community meetings17:14
kzaitsev_mbNikolay_St: maybe that would make our meetings more lively =)17:14
Nikolay_Stkzaitsev_mb: yeap. the problem is that it's too late for guys from China17:15
kzaitsev_mbNikolay_St: may I ask you to start an email thread to see which time is more suitable for the guys?17:16
Nikolay_Stkzaitsev_mb: ok, will do17:16
kzaitsev_mbInitially I'm ok with having horizon-style alterating meetings17:16
Nikolay_Sttheir timezone is like UTC +817:16
Nikolay_Stkzaitsev_mb: I'm okay with that style too17:17
Nikolay_Stkzaitsev_mb: I can help you with "morning" meetings in case it will be too early for you =D17:18
kzaitsev_mbthere is plenty of slots in the morning17:18
kzaitsev_mbhttps://www.dropbox.com/s/a72aqn64jxdmukl/Capture%20d'écran%202016-08-23%2020.17.43.png?dl=017:18
kzaitsev_mbNikolay_St: well, that's something I would like to avoid =) I mean — I would like to attend all of them )))17:18
kzaitsev_mbthe problem is that our US-based colleagues would not be able to attend though17:18
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kzaitsev_mbanyways — let's try to figure out possible times and see if we can balance them between everyone17:21
Nikolay_Stsure17:21
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kzaitsev_mbjallirs in #murano asked about the meeting, but I'm not sure if he's online anymore )17:23
kzaitsev_mbok17:23
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kzaitsev_mbunless there are more news to share/discuss — going to end the meeting in around half the time17:24
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dingHi, I'm new here but have been working on a solution to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/migrate-to-glance-v2 using glance tasks.  Would now be the right time to discuss this?17:30
kzaitsev_mbding: yep, you made it right on time =)17:31
kzaitsev_mbso, what's your solution to the glance-v2 thing?17:31
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kzaitsev_mbthe biggest problems IMO is ux17:32
dingBasically, it looks like the glance team decided to move copying images from external sources from --copy-from as part of image create into asyncronous tasks17:32
kzaitsev_mbwhile we can fix it somehow in CLI — there is next to no way to do it for dashboard17:32
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kzaitsev_mbding: so your ideas?17:34
dingIs there not a way to use tasks from the dashboard, or is it some other issue?17:34
kzaitsev_mbding: you mean glance tasks API?17:34
dingyes17:34
kzaitsev_mblast time I talked to our glance experts — they said to not touch the tasks API and that they're deprecating it17:35
dingoh, interesting.  All of the documentation seems to be saying that is the future of glance, haha17:35
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dingHave the experts mentioned what they plan to do instead?17:36
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kzaitsev_mbding: well, nothing =)17:37
kzaitsev_mbthat's the main problem with glance v217:37
kzaitsev_mbnikhil: ping =) please correct me if I'm wrong, but we should not touch tasks API of glance v2, should we?17:38
nikhilkzaitsev_mb: it's admin by default now17:38
nikhilit's been deprecated that way17:38
nikhil(in short, not to use it)17:39
kzaitsev_mbnikhil: meaning that there would not be a way for us to use it programmatically, say from horizon unless the user logged in is admin17:39
kzaitsev_mbnikhil: thanks a lot for clarification17:39
kzaitsev_mbding: here's your answer17:39
nikhilkzaitsev_mb: correct, we don't want it to be end user facing17:39
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dingokay, didn't know that.  Thanks.17:40
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nikhilthe import refactor is the way to go, when that's ready of course17:40
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kzaitsev_mbding: so I think, that we can count that bp as deferred for now, until glance import refactor is done17:42
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dingYeah, that sounds like the best approach.  Thank you.17:42
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kzaitsev_mbding: if you're interested in getting involved in murano — I can share a couple of links with entry level tasks and bugs for you ;)17:43
dingIf you don't mind, I'd appreciate it :)17:44
kzaitsev_mbhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-entry-level-tasks here's one17:44
kzaitsev_mbwe also have this e-pad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-newton-priorities17:44
kzaitsev_mbI've got to update it )17:44
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dingThanks, I'll see if there is something on here that my corporate overlords want me to work on.17:46
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kzaitsev_mbding: feel free to propose smth you want/need yourself. Also take note, that N3 is just 2 weeks away, so most likely we're going to push most of unfinished features to ocata17:47
kzaitsev_mbhowever we're thinking of moving to a faster release schedule (i.e. release-with-intermediary)17:48
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kzaitsev_mbin ocata cycle, to make a lot of intermediary releases between major N,O,P, etc17:49
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dingHow frequently would the intermediary releases be, and will the major releases still be on the same schedule?17:51
kzaitsev_mbding: like every 3 weeks at-most =) and yes major releases would still be on time with all the other OS components17:54
kzaitsev_mbcurrently it's just one of the thoughts, that are brewing =)17:55
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kzaitsev_mbding: I'm looking at ironic's model basically as role-model17:59
kzaitsev_mbok thanks folks for joining today17:59
kzaitsev_mbsee you in #murano if you have any more questions17:59
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kzaitsev_mb#endmeeting17:59
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catherineD#startmeeting refstack19:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug 23 19:00:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:00
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catherineD#link meeting agenda and notes,  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-08-2319:03
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catherineDLet's start19:05
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catherineDseems like we will have a short meeting today19:05
catherineD#topic Implement additional properties Defcore waiver19:05
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catherineD#link Implement additional properties Defcore waiver https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343022/19:06
pvaneck#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349213/19:07
hogepodgeis luzC around?19:07
pvaneckthat was the refstack spec that was abandoned19:07
catherineDFor this one hogepodge: 's review is most important, since hogepodge: knows the use well19:08
catherineDpvaneck: thx19:08
luzChey19:08
luzCyes...19:08
hogepodgeI just got back from vacation, so I haven't had a chance to review yet.19:08
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catherineDhogepodge: np19:09
luzC@hogepodge ok, also if you have 30 min this afternoon we can go through the other options so that you can give me your feedback and agree on a course of action19:10
luzCeither as it is on the spec or other alternative option19:10
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hogepodgeluzC: Definitely do, I have the board meeting following this, but am free after 3 PT19:11
catherineDluzC: I added couple comments .. but I think hogepodge: knows the use cases well .. so hogepodge: 's input is the most importnat ... we can review next week19:11
hogepodgeat first glance, a bunch of whitespace issues, but the central problem seems to be addressed19:11
catherineDpvaneck: thx for the correct link .. I will update the agenda19:11
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luzCsounds good thank you @hogepodge @catherineD19:12
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catherineDmoving on19:12
catherineD#topic Procduct version specification19:13
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catherineD#link     Specitication to support product model with multi-versions. (  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353903/ )19:13
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catherineDOur goal is to be able to associate results data to vendor products in the Newton cycle as it is shown on the prototype19:15
pvaneckyea, this model was used in the prototype, and I had no issues with it19:16
catherineDWithout this spec merge, all development work are on hold ...19:16
catherineDwe have the code and prototype ready since August 1st, 2016 ...19:16
catherineDbut we have not made any progress since19:16
pvaneckjust need to address the issues inline, then i will +219:17
catherineDpvaneck: thx19:18
hogepodgeI don't see any -1, so it seems like moving forward is ok.19:18
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catherineDI will push a new patch address pvaneck: 's comments ...19:19
pvaneckand chris's comments too19:19
catherineDpvaneck: hogepodge: sure19:20
catherineDafter that could you all review again19:20
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pvaneckyep19:20
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hogepodgewill do19:21
catherineDthank you!19:21
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catherineDI have specifically asked Andrey and Sergey to attend this meeting so that we can make decision ... I will connect with them afterward19:22
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catherineDmoving on ..19:23
catherineD#topic Pending reviews19:23
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catherineDwe have a few pending reviews .. However, all of those will be affected depending on the outcomes of  https://review.openstack.org/#/q/openstack/refstack,n,z19:24
catherineDso I think we should postpone reviewing of those to later19:24
pvanecksure19:25
catherineDanything else to discuss?19:26
pvanecknothing from me19:26
catherineDif not, we have a short meeting today19:26
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andrey-mpo/19:27
catherineDandrey-mp: Hi19:27
andrey-mphi all19:27
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catherineDandrey-mp: are you able to see the back log19:27
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catherineDwe are about done ..19:28
andrey-mpah, ok )19:28
catherineD#link meeting agenda and notes,  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-08-2319:28
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catherineDandrey-mp:  please review  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353903/19:29
andrey-mpI saw it.19:29
andrey-mpi posted one comment. and now I'm waiting for answers/updates due to comment from other reviewers19:29
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catherineDI think I address all comments ... andrey-mp:  do you mind remind me which one is that?19:30
andrey-mpoh sorry, i didn't post it (just wrote) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353903/5/specs/newton/approved/product-version-datamodel-api.rst19:31
catherineDandrey-mp: :-)19:32
andrey-mpmy last comment was very small19:32
andrey-mpand new comments are more interested19:32
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catherineDandrey-mp: I saw it ... let's ask hogepodge:19:33
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hogepodgeWe don't want a situation where you can create confusion by grabbing another vendor's name, but it's not necessarily critical for this review19:34
catherineDhogepodge: are product name unique per vendor a requirment from OSF?  If not I can remove that sentence ..19:34
catherineDhogepodge: I think we type at the same time ..19:35
hogepodgeIf a malicious or even ill-informed agent were to create a name collision, I think we could revisit the issue19:35
catherineDhogepodge: andrey-mp: OK in that case,  I can remove the sentence and make a comment there19:35
hogepodgeI think we see things like VendorA OpenStack, an VendorB OpenStack. If they just use "OpenStack" as the name we wouldn't want to block everyone else19:35
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andrey-mpmy comment was only about this line in this review19:36
catherineDhogepodge: Should  VendorA has more than one prodcut named "OpenStack" ?19:37
andrey-mpthis review is about product-version relation and is not about constraints in vendor-product tables19:37
hogepodgecatherineD: in practice it's the smaller vendors who do something like that, but it's the source of name collisions.19:37
hogepodgeto answer andrey-mp's concerns on it, I don't object to removing the line and worrying about it elsewhere19:37
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catherineDandrey-mp: if OSF have this requirement then we will implement constraint19:38
catherineDOK I will remove the line19:38
catherineDI will push a new patch after this meeting ...19:39
catherineDplease review19:39
catherineDanything else to discuss?19:40
andrey-mpcatherineD: this is old discussion about requirements ) it's better to have all requirements before architect system and develop it (and it's not related to agile or other methodlogies)19:40
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andrey-mpbut right now we have a situation when new requirements are born every month :)19:41
catherineDandrey-mp: I understand ... however giving the short runway we have to have data associating to vendor product ... I don't it is realistic19:41
hogepodgeandrey-mp: I think you are mischaracterizing the situation, and the requirements for defcore have been expressed multiple time, including in the last meeting at your request. again19:42
hogepodgeandrey-mp: as part of the project mission of supporting defcore, we've met at summits and mid-cycles to discuss these plans and move the project forward19:42
catherineDI check on other projects .. most are done incrementally with a over target such as for us associating data to vendor19:43
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andrey-mphogepodge: this mischaracterizing was born because i can't find a one official place with all requirements19:43
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catherineDandrey-mp: I don't think you can find one official place with all requirements19:43
catherineDin most of OpenStack project19:43
catherineDyou will find many specs19:44
andrey-mpno one can collect all of them from IRC logs, review, specs, ...19:44
hogepodgeandrey-mp: and yet you ask, and we describe, and write specs and plan, and you're saying we're not designing properly. We had a huge discussion about this, and documented it, at last defcore mid-cycle19:44
catherineDthat is why we need to break up the requirements and document them in the spec just like other project did19:44
andrey-mphogepodge: could you get me a link to this document?19:45
hogepodgeandrey-mp: and you have not been an active participant in any defcore efforts, except for one review. You don't show up at meetings, and you don't show up to midcycle, yet you want to work on a project where the mission is to support defcore efforts19:45
hogepodgethe google doc captured the data model, the spec catherine posted, the last meeting minutes19:46
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catherineDandrey-mp: we tried to document all discussion in the working session to specs19:47
andrey-mpyeah, some time ago I understood that refstack is just a project to support defcore efforts19:47
sslypushenkoo/19:47
hogepodgeandrey-mp: This project is to support defcore http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/projects.yaml#n562419:47
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catherineDandrey-mp: It is still a project to support DefCore efforts ..that is its focus ... but if we can at the same time help other projects that would be great19:48
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andrey-mpbut hoped that this is a 'RefStack is a source of tools for OpenStack interoperability testing.'19:48
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andrey-mpas posted on the main page of RefStack19:48
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catherineDandrey-mp: we all want RefStack to grow to that but we need to support DefCore first19:49
catherineDandrey-mp: supporting DefCore is supporting :OpenStack interop testing19:49
andrey-mpcatherineD: it's sad that we didn't catch this early19:50
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catherineDandrey-mp: why is that?19:50
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andrey-mpAlex tried to do something to improve interoperability testing19:51
catherineDandrey-mp: I think the question should be asking is ... if RefStack supports DefCore (this is a giving) and at the same time support others .  Isn't that a win-win situation?19:51
hogepodgeandrey-mp: and we are taking active steps to support general interoperability across openstack, but again, except for a major version patch dropped on defcore (which we're reworking to meet defcore working group goals), you have not participated in a meaningful way. We are working towards general interoperability in the second half of this year, but refstack right now needs to support finer-grained vend19:51
hogepodgeor details for test result reporting19:51
catherineDandrey-mp: you have not prove to me that what we are doing for DefCore is not applicable to your goals19:52
catherineDor break you19:52
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andrey-mpplease stop attack me :)19:53
hogepodgeandrey-mp: I'm sorry if the defcore timeline doesn't match up with what you need, but I met personally with Randy to discuss these plans and he seemed ok with the path we were taking. I expect to meet the needs of more general interop testing for OpenStack projects late this year and early next, all within the defcore framework and with board approval19:53
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andrey-mpI'm not participating in DefCore meetings because it's not my role19:54
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andrey-mpI'm just trying to implement some that was discussed in Austin19:55
catherineDandrey-mp: Please do no think that about attack ... we are a team ... I would like RefStack to support interop tests (that is DefCore and others ) that is why we keep the discussion going19:55
catherineDandrey-mp: what we discuss in Austin is still relevent ... it is the detail that was not disucssed in Austin (in this case it is product has versions)19:56
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catherineDthe domain model is still intact ... it is the product definition that needed to be improved ...19:57
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catherineDthis is why I need to understand how implement product with version the way I defined would break the model discussed in Austin .. .because in my mind it enhance the model19:59
andrey-mpcatherineD: I thought that domain model suggests that each version is an new product. And I thought we discussed it Austing in two words19:59
catherineDandrey-mp: domoain model has no mention of version19:59
hogepodgeI can not stay beyond the meeting end time.20:00
catherineDanyway we are out of time ..20:00
catherineDThank you all ...20:00
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catherineDI will push a new patch please review .. we need to move the project forward20:00
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catherineD#endmeeting20:01
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