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moshele | hi | 13:00 |
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edand | hi all | 13:00 |
moshele | #startmeeting sriov | 13:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 23 13:00:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is moshele. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sriov)" | 13:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sriov' | 13:00 |
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snikitin | hi | 13:00 |
lbeliveau | hi | 13:00 |
moshele | hi | 13:01 |
moshele | #topic Improving SR-IOV/PCI Passthrough CI | 13:01 |
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moshele | so lenny is on PTO so I don't have any update here | 13:02 |
moshele | we merged Fixed manager.py to support multinode test on vnic_port - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335447/ | 13:02 |
moshele | so this is good | 13:02 |
moshele | I didn't see any reviews on the migration tests | 13:02 |
moshele | lbeliveau: are you still working on them? | 13:03 |
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lbeliveau | yeah, I still need to address lenny's comment, will work on them end of this week | 13:03 |
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moshele | cool | 13:03 |
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moshele | also we will try to do PF passthrough CI | 13:04 |
moshele | we may get the red hat help on this :) | 13:04 |
lbeliveau | cool, done with mellanox ci ? | 13:04 |
moshele | yes | 13:05 |
moshele | we tested a bit the PF pass through and the basic functionality is working | 13:05 |
moshele | #topic Patches for Subteam Review | 13:06 |
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moshele | so we have 2 critical patches for migration-revert that need core reviews | 13:06 |
moshele | Update binding:profile for SR-IOV ports on resize-revert - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347444/ and Fix drop_move_claim() on revert resize - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349060 | 13:07 |
lbeliveau | I told mriedem that these reviews are stuck in last nova team meeting | 13:07 |
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moshele | lbeliveau: maybe jaypipes can review again Fix drop_move_claim() on revert resize - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349060 | 13:07 |
lbeliveau | yes | 13:07 |
wznoinsk | late hi | 13:08 |
moshele | lbeliveau: so I know his on PTO let bug dansmith :) | 13:08 |
lbeliveau | hi | 13:08 |
moshele | wznoinsk: hi | 13:08 |
dansmith | Sorry | 13:08 |
dansmith | I will try to look today. Remind me if I don't :) | 13:09 |
moshele | dansmith: sure, thanks :) | 13:09 |
moshele | lbeliveau: regarding this pci: in free_device method compare devices according to pci_device id - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347558/ | 13:10 |
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moshele | lbeliveau: did you see my respond to jaypipes ? | 13:10 |
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jaypipes | moshele: reviewing 349060 now.. | 13:11 |
lbeliveau | moshele: I haven't, didn't see that in my emails, will look at it today | 13:11 |
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lbeliveau | perhaps we need to make sure that the device is in "allocated" ... | 13:12 |
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moshele | this will be harder to fix | 13:12 |
lbeliveau | agreed, but will have time to look at it later this week | 13:12 |
moshele | ok I will try to make again the test and test all the current patches | 13:13 |
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moshele | I assume there will be still race condition we need to handle | 13:13 |
lbeliveau | yes | 13:13 |
lbeliveau | we should at least target to have revert functionnality included in newton | 13:14 |
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moshele | agree | 13:14 |
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moshele | we can fix the racy conditions in next release | 13:14 |
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lbeliveau | yeap | 13:14 |
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moshele | we also have this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1614092 in neutron | 13:15 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1614092 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "SRIOV - PF / VM that assign to PF does not get vlan tag " [Low,Confirmed] | 13:15 |
moshele | and this is edand fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357244/ | 13:15 |
moshele | please review it | 13:15 |
lbeliveau | will do | 13:15 |
moshele | sorry it this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1614086 | 13:16 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1614086 in neutron "SRIOV- when numvfs=0 SRIOV agent is failed to start " [Low,In progress] - Assigned to edan david (edand) | 13:16 |
moshele | #topic Open Bugs | 13:17 |
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moshele | so we have some new bugs in neutron/nova | 13:17 |
moshele | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1606747 | 13:18 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1606747 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "[sriov] nova does't regard second nic after booting" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to xhzhf (guoyongxhzhf) | 13:18 |
moshele | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1582822 | 13:18 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1582822 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "PCI-PT : SRIOV enabled interface dev_name in pci whitelist does not give the product_id of PF for the direct-physical_network , it always take the VF's product_id" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Chen Fan (fan-chen) | 13:18 |
moshele | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1572826 | 13:18 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1572826 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "dev name in the pci whitelist is not honored for SRIOV" [Undecided,Incomplete] - Assigned to Moshe Levi (moshele) | 13:18 |
moshele | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1614092 | 13:18 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1614092 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "SRIOV - PF / VM that assign to PF does not get vlan tag " [Low,Confirmed] | 13:18 |
moshele | so most of them are low priority | 13:18 |
* sfinucan apologises for being extremely late, but has read the logs | 13:19 | |
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moshele | hi sfinucan | 13:19 |
lbeliveau | hi | 13:19 |
moshele | lbeliveau: I want to talk about this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1614092 | 13:20 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1614092 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "SRIOV - PF / VM that assign to PF does not get vlan tag " [Low,Confirmed] | 13:20 |
moshele | so if you do physical-direct you need to set the vlan on the guest | 13:20 |
lbeliveau | yeah, not sure if it is a bug, in case a PF passthrough, the guest has to set the vlan | 13:20 |
lbeliveau | the only thing that could be automated (I think) is to use cloudinit for setting it up | 13:21 |
moshele | do you know of a better solution or just to document this | 13:21 |
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lbeliveau | I'll look into it | 13:21 |
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moshele | that what I was thinking | 13:21 |
moshele | and I wanted to move this to documentation | 13:22 |
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lbeliveau | agreed, that makes sense to document this | 13:22 |
moshele | this also will complicate testing in CI | 13:22 |
lbeliveau | mmmm right, we'll need to find a way to automate this, let me think about it | 13:23 |
moshele | yes I will do it too :) | 13:23 |
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moshele | also there is a bug to improve the NUMA scheduling https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1614882 | 13:24 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1614882 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "NUMA node scheduling problem" [Undecided,New] | 13:24 |
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moshele | sfinucan, snikitin: are you planing to work on this maybe in the next cycle ? | 13:25 |
sfinucan | yeah, we've been discussing that internally | 13:25 |
sfinucan | looks like a feature for next cycle, yes | 13:25 |
sfinucan | i.e. it's a feature request, not a bug | 13:25 |
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snikitin | sure | 13:26 |
moshele | that was my understanding, so when you have a spec ready please add us :) | 13:26 |
lbeliveau | FYI, we might need a blueprint for this | 13:26 |
moshele | ok if you need help with spec | 13:26 |
lbeliveau | we have an in-house solution for that that is not upstreamed yet, can help | 13:26 |
moshele | ok cool ;) | 13:27 |
sfinucan | lbeliveau: Yeah, definitely a full blueprint/spec process | 13:27 |
sfinucan | lbeliveau: very good to know :) | 13:27 |
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lbeliveau | sfinican: we can co-author it if you want | 13:27 |
moshele | #topic Specs for Review | 13:27 |
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moshele | I put a list of SR-IOV spec that are proposed in Ocata and was proposed before | 13:28 |
moshele | see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sriov_meeting_agenda Under Specs for Review | 13:28 |
moshele | I planning to focus on SR-IOV HA https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182242/ | 13:30 |
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moshele | and also the enhance PCI passthrough whitelist to support regex https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350211/ | 13:30 |
moshele | if you know/have SR-IOV spec that are missing please add them to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sriov_meeting_agenda | 13:31 |
moshele | so we can keep track of things | 13:31 |
moshele | anyone have something to add here | 13:32 |
lbeliveau | I'm good | 13:32 |
sfinucan | ditto | 13:32 |
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moshele | ok cool :) | 13:32 |
moshele | #endmeeting | 13:32 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:32 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 23 13:32:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:32 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-08-23-13.00.html | 13:32 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-08-23-13.00.txt | 13:32 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-08-23-13.00.log.html | 13:32 |
lbeliveau | bye | 13:32 |
moshele | bye everyone | 13:33 |
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sfinucan | ttfn | 13:33 |
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EmilienM | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 23 14:00:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:00 |
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EmilienM | #topic rollcall | 14:00 |
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EmilienM | hello folks | 14:00 |
saneax | \o | 14:00 |
shadower | heya | 14:00 |
sshnaidm | o/ | 14:00 |
mandre | hello | 14:00 |
dprince | hi | 14:00 |
chem | hi | 14:00 |
rhallisey | hi | 14:00 |
beagles | o/ | 14:00 |
weshay | 0/ | 14:00 |
akrivoka | hiya \o | 14:01 |
Jokke_ | o/ | 14:01 |
EmilienM | #topic agenda | 14:01 |
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EmilienM | * review past actions items | 14:01 |
[1]cdearborn | o/ | 14:01 |
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jrist | o/ | 14:01 |
EmilienM | * one off agenda items | 14:01 |
EmilienM | * bugs | 14:01 |
EmilienM | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:01 |
EmilienM | * CI | 14:01 |
EmilienM | * Specs | 14:01 |
EmilienM | * open discussion | 14:01 |
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thrash | o/ | 14:02 |
ccamacho | o/ | 14:02 |
EmilienM | #topic past action items | 14:02 |
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florianf | o/ | 14:02 |
EmilienM | 1) tripleo team to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298732/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342261/ | 14:02 |
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EmilienM | one is merged the other is WIP | 14:02 |
EmilienM | looks like d0ugal needs more time | 14:02 |
hrybacki | o/ | 14:03 |
EmilienM | 2) EmilienM to check & release stable branch this week if needed -> needs to be postponed, I haven't checked yet | 14:03 |
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karthiks | o/ | 14:03 |
radeks | o/ | 14:03 |
rbrady | o/ | 14:03 |
EmilienM | 3) EmilienM to propose periodic scenarios CI jobs testing on ML -> done. Discussion ongoing on ML and Gerrit, please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356675/ | 14:03 |
adarazs | o/ | 14:04 |
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EmilienM | any question about past actions items? | 14:04 |
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EmilienM | #topic one off agenda items | 14:04 |
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EmilienM | mandre: go ahead | 14:04 |
tbarron|gone | hi | 14:05 |
coolsvap_ | o/ | 14:05 |
EmilienM | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-meeting-items | 14:05 |
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mandre | so, I'd like we have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313632/ | 14:05 |
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mandre | it's a patch to bootstrap ansible framework on the undercloud | 14:05 |
jrist | we really need it for the UI | 14:05 |
mandre | it's used for validations | 14:05 |
jrist | for 10 | 14:05 |
jrist | sorry I mean newton | 14:05 |
jrist | :) | 14:05 |
mandre | a couple of things came up during the review | 14:05 |
EmilienM | jrist: better ;-) | 14:05 |
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mandre | 1. can we use ansible API directly? | 14:06 |
EmilienM | it seems like a disagreement between dprince and UI/API folks? | 14:06 |
jtomasek | o/ | 14:06 |
d0ugal | Hey, sorry I am late :) | 14:06 |
mandre | 2. do we want to make this ansible framework more generic and use it for more than just validations | 14:06 |
mandre | the main blocking point, I think, is do we store the private SSH key on the undercloud | 14:07 |
EmilienM | wasn't it something defined in a spec? | 14:07 |
dprince | my concerns mostly rely about how we manage the private ssh key. I'm not a fan of storing such keys long term in the undercloud. | 14:07 |
EmilienM | I'm surprised to see this design conversation out of a spec | 14:07 |
dprince | if we were to use #1 we could avoid storing the key locally | 14:07 |
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dprince | if we use #2 I think we need to take more care about storing the private key, writing it out, and possibly cleaning it up to accomidate the CLI version of Ansible | 14:08 |
mandre | we do have a spec, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255792/ | 14:08 |
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jrist | dprince: will this all change if Tower is Open Source? | 14:09 |
dprince | jrist: perhaps, but we are essentially implementing a "poor mans tower" with this I think | 14:09 |
jrist | but we have no choice :) | 14:09 |
mandre | however, the spec doesn't cover in details how to boostrap ansible on the undercloud | 14:09 |
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EmilienM | +1 with dprince | 14:10 |
EmilienM | mandre: that's a problem imho | 14:10 |
EmilienM | the spec should cover that thing | 14:10 |
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jrist | specs are hard some times | 14:10 |
jrist | once you get going you discover new issues | 14:10 |
jrist | they are not perfect | 14:10 |
dprince | EmilienM: the spec doesn't get into this detail. ANd I think that is fine. It is okay to catch some things in review | 14:11 |
jrist | the problem is the timing, dprince | 14:11 |
EmilienM | it sounds like we need to amend the spec or at least continue the design discussions on ML or Gerrit | 14:11 |
dprince | I think the frustration is there has been several attempts at this and it is tricky | 14:11 |
jrist | we need a decision on a resolution today | 14:11 |
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EmilienM | jrist: we can't fix all today ;-) we have multiple other topics that also need to be fixed today | 14:11 |
jrist | I didn't say fix it today | 14:12 |
jrist | just a decision on the direction | 14:12 |
EmilienM | I would rather try to find a concensus on the ML asap | 14:12 |
dprince | My thought is that Ansible is part of the problem here in that the lack of a "Stable" library/API is forcing us to store the SSH key. I'd much rather just see us use Ansible properly which IMO is this: http://docs.ansible.com/ansible/developing_api.html | 14:12 |
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dprince | mandre: has pointed out we'd have to work around some Mistral action issues with that approach, but it gets us into a better (less statefull ssh key) place I think | 14:13 |
shadower | dprince: that API requires an SSH key as well | 14:13 |
shadower | dprince: or rather, Ansible depends on a passwordless SSH access to nodes | 14:13 |
dprince | shadower: yes, but it doesn't have to be written to disk in the same manner I think, right? | 14:13 |
mandre | dprince: I don't see how using the ansible python API would avoid persisting the key, maybe we can develop after the meeting | 14:13 |
shadower | dprince: it does | 14:13 |
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shadower | dprince: as it currently stands at least | 14:13 |
dprince | mandre: you aren't blocked I think with the current approach | 14:14 |
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dprince | mandre: just avoid reading the key from the undercloud. I've said this same thing in past reviews... I'm not a fan of that. Store it elsewhere and write it out as needed | 14:14 |
shadower | dprince: I've written an API that the UI was going to use before we decided to go with Mistral. It used the python API and its SSH key requirements were identical | 14:14 |
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dprince | shadower: same comment then, all of my disklike is due to how we manage this private ssh key | 14:15 |
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dprince | I think this isn't good in general, but it would conflict with future features like an HA undercloud | 14:15 |
mandre | dprince: maybe we can manage the private key outside of the undercloud in a next iteration? | 14:17 |
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dprince | mandre: we could, yes. But I think it should be possible to do just as well now no? | 14:17 |
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mandre | dprince: time constraints... M3 is approaching fast | 14:18 |
shadower | dprince: mind the time and review queues of the core devs. | 14:18 |
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dprince | mandre, shadower: sorry if this seems harsh but I really feel like me concern here is nothing new. I'm not blocking in anyways. Just a -1 on storing the key in this manner | 14:18 |
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mandre | right, this is the reason I want to involve more cores in the discussion | 14:19 |
dprince | mandre, shadower I'm willing to help brainstorm or implement this FWIW | 14:19 |
EmilienM | ok, 15 min on this item, can we follow-up on ML maybe? | 14:20 |
mandre | dprince: would it make it for newton, though? | 14:21 |
EmilienM | we might need FFE | 14:21 |
EmilienM | but I'm not the PTL, we need to check with shardy if he would agree | 14:21 |
shadower | when is he going to be back? | 14:22 |
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EmilienM | end of week probably | 14:22 |
jrist | ;( | 14:22 |
dprince | mandre: maybe, maybe not. Sometimes holding until it is right is a good thing | 14:22 |
EmilienM | I suggest you to continue this discussion on IRC/ML using public channels | 14:22 |
EmilienM | we need to move ahead to the next item | 14:23 |
EmilienM | mandre: please continue on ML | 14:23 |
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EmilienM | I'm sure we can find concensus this week | 14:23 |
mandre | will do | 14:23 |
EmilienM | #action mandre to continue ansible/sshkey discussion on ML / Gerrit and find concensus with dprince | 14:24 |
EmilienM | chem: next item | 14:24 |
chem | hi, just wanted to give a little up on those M/N upgrade reviews. There are very shorts. | 14:24 |
EmilienM | w00t, nice work here | 14:25 |
chem | that's basically all :) | 14:25 |
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EmilienM | #action tripleo team to review upgrade patches: https://review.openstack.org/358022 , https://review.openstack.org/358006 , https://review.openstack.org/358005 , https://review.openstack.org/357022 , https://review.openstack.org/354713 , https://review.openstack.org/357750 | 14:25 |
EmilienM | chem: thanks | 14:25 |
EmilienM | skramaja: your turn | 14:25 |
skramaja | thanks.. we have made a short recording on SR-IOV | 14:26 |
skramaja | https://bluejeans.com/s/63pWQ/ | 14:26 |
EmilienM | #link SR-IOV demo https://bluejeans.com/s/63pWQ/ | 14:26 |
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skramaja | to demonstrate the ping between 2 VMS with SR-IOV nics.. | 14:26 |
EmilienM | skramaja: thanks for sharing | 14:26 |
skramaja | comments are welcome.. | 14:26 |
skramaja | and | 14:26 |
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EmilienM | skramaja: don't hesitate to share it on the ML also | 14:26 |
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skramaja | we have closed all the comments on specs. PTAL | 14:26 |
skramaja | sure.. | 14:26 |
EmilienM | skramaja: ok so spec is ready for review? | 14:26 |
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skramaja | yes. | 14:26 |
EmilienM | #action tripleo team to review sr-iov spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313872/ | 14:27 |
EmilienM | #link sr-iov spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313872/ | 14:27 |
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skramaja | thanks EmilienM thats all from my side.. | 14:27 |
EmilienM | Jokke_: you're next | 14:27 |
Jokke_ | just quick one | 14:28 |
Jokke_ | Manilla Ceph FS Native integration | 14:28 |
Jokke_ | Should be ready for reviews | 14:28 |
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EmilienM | do you have a gerrit topic handy? | 14:28 |
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Jokke_ | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/101968.html https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354047/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358525/ | 14:28 |
Jokke_ | I do realize that we're on the last squeeze so I took bit advance and sent request for considering it as FFE candidate if it does not make it | 14:29 |
EmilienM | we'll have to check with shardy this request | 14:29 |
Jokke_ | that's it from me, thanks! | 14:29 |
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EmilienM | cool | 14:29 |
EmilienM | akrivoka: hey | 14:29 |
EmilienM | it sounds like it's about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349532/ | 14:30 |
EmilienM | #action tripleo team to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349532/ "Add default plan creation" | 14:30 |
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akrivoka | EmilienM: yes, I just wanted to draw attention to that, we need it for better UI exp | 14:31 |
akrivoka | EmilienM: thanks | 14:31 |
EmilienM | oki | 14:31 |
EmilienM | any more items for today? | 14:31 |
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EmilienM | ok let's go ahead in the agenda | 14:32 |
EmilienM | #topic bugs | 14:32 |
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EmilienM | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/newton-3 | 14:32 |
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EmilienM | so about $topic, I sent an email about launchpad, please subscribe to emails notifications | 14:33 |
EmilienM | also, as a reminder, please do self triage when you report a bug | 14:33 |
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EmilienM | it seems like we have a bunch of bugs "in progress" -> make sure they are updated if you're assigned | 14:34 |
EmilienM | do we have outstanding bug we need to talk about this week? | 14:34 |
EmilienM | (/me comes back from PTO, I'm still catching up) | 14:34 |
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EmilienM | slagle: I see 2 critical bugs in progress | 14:35 |
EmilienM | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1612622 | 14:35 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1612622 in tripleo "CI: Exception registering nodes: Node 59ecc491-41b0-4950-8d00-ddce532ba0f4 is locked by host localhost.localdomain, please retry after the current operation is completed" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to James Slagle (james-slagle) | 14:35 |
EmilienM | and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1613331 | 14:35 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1613331 in tripleo "ironic using public endpoint to configure ipxe template during deployment" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to James Slagle (james-slagle) | 14:35 |
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EmilienM | I think we can close them | 14:36 |
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EmilienM | sounds like huge interest in bugs :-) | 14:36 |
sshnaidm | EmilienM, agree, it seems to be solved | 14:37 |
slagle | yes, the ironic one is fixed | 14:37 |
EmilienM | ok, let's close them | 14:37 |
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EmilienM | anything else critical? | 14:37 |
EmilienM | ok next topic | 14:38 |
EmilienM | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:38 |
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shadower | tripleo-validations has not seen a release yet (it's new this cycle) and it could use one to help downstream packaging | 14:38 |
EmilienM | #action EmilienM to check with shardy and the team if we want a new Mitaka release | 14:38 |
shadower | happy to help but I'm not sure how | 14:38 |
EmilienM | shadower: ok, I can help on this thing | 14:39 |
shadower | EmilienM: thanks | 14:39 |
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EmilienM | shadower: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340350/ | 14:39 |
EmilienM | it's an example of tripleo release | 14:39 |
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EmilienM | feel free to submit a patch and add shardy & me as reviewers. | 14:40 |
shadower | EmilienM: will do, thanks! | 14:40 |
EmilienM | we're currently in R-6 | 14:40 |
EmilienM | which is the "Final release for non-client libraries" time | 14:40 |
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EmilienM | next week will be R-5, newton-3 milestone, feature freeze | 14:41 |
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EmilienM | and as a reminder, our final release will be during Oct 17-21 week | 14:41 |
EmilienM | I'll send a reminder on the ML about all dates we need to know. | 14:42 |
EmilienM | #action EmilienM to send email on ML about TripleO release schedule | 14:42 |
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EmilienM | #link Ocata release proposal https://review.openstack.org/357214 | 14:42 |
EmilienM | if you're interested in release for Ocata, here's the start of proposal ^ | 14:42 |
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EmilienM | any question about releases? | 14:43 |
EmilienM | #topic CI | 14:43 |
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Jokke_ | EmilienM: quick one ... are we trailing in Ocata as well? | 14:44 |
Jokke_ | release related ^^ | 14:44 |
EmilienM | sshnaidm, dprince, slagle, derekh: could you guys give an update about CI status please? (I was afk the last 4 days) | 14:44 |
EmilienM | Jokke_: yes | 14:44 |
Jokke_ | ty | 14:44 |
derekh | Somebody else might want to take this, I'm hands off on CI these days (moving to a slightly different area) | 14:44 |
EmilienM | Jokke_: tailing is our release model | 14:44 |
sshnaidm | we had a promote yesterday for repo | 14:44 |
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sshnaidm | (but not for images) | 14:45 |
dprince | EmilienM: there was an outage last week due to an infra change | 14:45 |
dprince | with regards to the nodepool credentials | 14:45 |
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dprince | we reverted the nodepool credentials back to the previous value on friday and this fixed the OVB cloud | 14:45 |
derekh | sshnaidm: not for images? | 14:46 |
dprince | so, 24 hours or so of the outage on late Thursday/Friday was due to this issue | 14:46 |
sshnaidm | derekh, out of space on mirror host, images weren't saved | 14:46 |
EmilienM | dprince: ok, thanks | 14:46 |
derekh | sshnaidm: ahh ok | 14:46 |
EmilienM | shadower: :( | 14:46 |
EmilienM | oops, sshnaidm ^ | 14:46 |
derekh | sshnaidm: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348806/ | 14:46 |
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dprince | I haven't looked into the nonha job failures today but it seems to be acting up recenlty | 14:46 |
sshnaidm | dprince, slagle https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348806/ | 14:47 |
jpeeler | dprince: can second that fwiw | 14:47 |
EmilienM | derekh: +A | 14:47 |
sshnaidm | I don't see any critical problem for now in CI except of long job duration | 14:47 |
EmilienM | ok | 14:47 |
EmilienM | anything else about CI? | 14:47 |
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EmilienM | #topic Specs | 14:48 |
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sshnaidm | just FYI, POC job of using tripleo-quickstart instead of instack works good | 14:49 |
EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open | 14:49 |
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EmilienM | sshnaidm: link? | 14:49 |
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sshnaidm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358919/ | 14:50 |
sshnaidm | just POC, an additional work is required | 14:50 |
EmilienM | cool | 14:51 |
EmilienM | anything about specs except what we said in off items? | 14:51 |
jpich | Have a look at the bug tagging policy, so we can merge the first iteration soon, maybe? :-) | 14:51 |
jpich | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352852/ | 14:51 |
EmilienM | it would be great to have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352852/ | 14:51 |
EmilienM | jpich: in same time :) | 14:51 |
jpich | :D | 14:51 |
EmilienM | #action tripleo team to review bug tagging policy https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352852/ | 14:52 |
jrist | thanks jpich | 14:52 |
EmilienM | antyhing else about specs? | 14:52 |
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ahana__ | Hello | 14:53 |
EmilienM | #topic open discussion | 14:53 |
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EmilienM | sounds like we have 7 min for open discussion | 14:53 |
EmilienM | if you have any question or comment, please go ahead, it's the right time | 14:53 |
EmilienM | any volunteer to drive the next tripleo deep dive? | 14:54 |
EmilienM | I don't see anyone for Thursday https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-deep-dive-topics | 14:54 |
ccamacho | Hey re OOM issues, in my case adding swap files everywhere solved the issue for me just FYI | 14:54 |
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EmilienM | ccamacho: is there a launchpad # for this problem? | 14:55 |
ahana__ | Hi is this the right forum to ask about neutron flavor implementation? | 14:55 |
ccamacho | mmm not really because in CI we are using swap | 14:55 |
ccamacho | but locally my deployments were quite fragile | 14:55 |
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EmilienM | ahana__: not really, go on #openstack-neutron | 14:56 |
shadower | btw cores: a lot of the tripleo-validations patches have a +2 and are ready for merging: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-validations+status:open | 14:56 |
ahana__ | ok thanks EmilienM | 14:56 |
ccamacho | and adding some swap solved the issues (Its not a problem at this time) just something that we might consider | 14:56 |
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shadower | I emaild the ML but haven't seen people looking much | 14:56 |
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EmilienM | #action tripleo team to help in reviewing validation's work https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-validations+status:open | 14:57 |
* shadower is happy to answer any questions | 14:57 | |
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EmilienM | shadower: thanks | 14:57 |
EmilienM | anything else for today? I'll close the meeting in 30s otherwise | 14:57 |
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EmilienM | thanks everyone | 14:58 |
EmilienM | have a great week! | 14:58 |
EmilienM | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 23 14:58:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-08-23-14.00.html | 14:58 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-08-23-14.00.txt | 14:58 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-08-23-14.00.log.html | 14:58 |
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ccamacho | thanks guys! | 14:59 |
ccamacho | o/ | 15:00 |
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hongbin | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 23 16:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:00 |
hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
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muralia | Murali Allada | 16:00 |
tonanhngo | Ton Ngo | 16:00 |
swatson_ | Stephen Watson o/ | 16:00 |
hieulq_ | o/ | 16:00 |
jvgrant | Jaycen Grant | 16:00 |
dane_leblanc | o/ | 16:00 |
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hongbin | Thanks for joining the meeting muralia tonanhngo swatson_ hieulq_ jvgrant dane_leblanc | 16:01 |
hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-08-23_1600_UTC Today's agenda | 16:01 |
muralia | Hi all | 16:01 |
hongbin | Anything needs to be added to the agenda? | 16:01 |
eghobo | o/ | 16:02 |
vijendar | o/ | 16:02 |
hongbin | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
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hongbin | I have no announcement, any from others? | 16:02 |
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hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 16:02 |
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hongbin | 1. hongbin create a BP for API docs | 16:02 |
hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-doc-rest-api There is already a BP about API docs | 16:02 |
hongbin | 2. hongbin add rename-bay-to-cluster BP to the meeting agenda (DONE) | 16:03 |
hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-08-23_1600_UTC | 16:03 |
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hongbin | Any question regarding to the review action items? | 16:03 |
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hongbin | #topic Essential Blueprints Review | 16:03 |
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hongbin | 1. Support baremetal container clusters (strigazi) | 16:04 |
hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-baremetal-full-support | 16:04 |
hongbin | strigazi_AFK: you there? | 16:04 |
hongbin | It looks Spyros is not here. Skip this from today's agenda | 16:05 |
muralia | the ironic swarm driver got merged. | 16:05 |
muralia | looks like they need to work on others | 16:05 |
hongbin | muralia: good news | 16:05 |
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hongbin | Thanks muralia | 16:06 |
hongbin | 2. Magnum User Guide for Cloud Operator (tango) | 16:06 |
hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/user-guide | 16:06 |
hongbin | tonanhngo: ^^ | 16:06 |
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tonanhngo | I revised the Labels section from Qin, and it was merged | 16:06 |
tonanhngo | Next is the Scaling section | 16:07 |
tonanhngo | Steady progress, we should have the bulk of the user guide soon | 16:07 |
tonanhngo | that's all for now | 16:07 |
hongbin | Thanks tonanhngo | 16:07 |
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hongbin | The guide looks more comprehensive now. Thanks Ton for the hard work | 16:08 |
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hongbin | 3. COE Bay Drivers (jamie_h, muralia) | 16:08 |
hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/bay-drivers | 16:08 |
hongbin | muralia: ^^ | 16:08 |
muralia | I made some more progress. As discussed before, I've changed the bay-create call to take --driver | 16:09 |
muralia | and use that to seletct the driver instead of the earlier options os server_type, distro and coe | 16:09 |
muralia | however, i cant delete the other 3 inputs. they need to be deprecated | 16:09 |
muralia | so i need to work on supporting both for now | 16:10 |
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muralia | working on that for now. | 16:10 |
muralia | thats all from me | 16:10 |
hongbin | muralia: could you elaborate the reason to change to --driver? | 16:10 |
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muralia | so, right now baymodel has 3 values | 16:11 |
muralia | server_type, distro and coe | 16:11 |
hongbin | yes | 16:11 |
muralia | we use these 3 to select the right tempates | 16:11 |
muralia | we dont need all 3 now as inputs. | 16:12 |
muralia | because just be selecting the driver to use, we are choosing server_type, distro and coe | 16:12 |
muralia | so we can collapse these 3 into just one input --driver | 16:12 |
muralia | or --driver-name | 16:12 |
muralia | basically, we are just choosing the driver to be used | 16:13 |
hongbin | could we map the 3 values into a driver (if --driver is not sepcified) | 16:13 |
hongbin | That means there is 2 options to create a bay | 16:14 |
muralia | we could, and thats what i'll be doing to support those 3 for now, but eventually, we should remove them as inputs. | 16:14 |
hongbin | Yes, why remove them eventually? | 16:14 |
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hongbin | From user perspective, I would like to specify the 3 values instead of a driver | 16:14 |
hongbin | It is a better user experience from my point of view | 16:15 |
muralia | what is the point though? when just selecting the driver by name is simpler | 16:15 |
hongbin | However, we could offer a optional --driver option | 16:15 |
Drago | For me, I would like to do magnum driver-list and see which drivers have what capabilities and specify one option | 16:15 |
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tonanhngo | Do we have that yet? | 16:16 |
hongbin | Drago: yes, that is fine. I am arguing if we need to remove the 3 values | 16:16 |
muralia | not yet. it needs to be added | 16:16 |
jvgrant | if we support every combination of the 3 values then it might make sense to keep all 3, but if only some combination are valid then having the list and just select the driver seems more friendly | 16:16 |
muralia | ok, i'll need to support both anyway for now. we'll decide what to do later | 16:17 |
hongbin | ok | 16:17 |
Drago | Also, there may be cases where an operator wants multiple bay driver with the same combination of 3 values. Such as a minion/master hybrid node for dev clusters and separated nodes for production | 16:17 |
muralia | lets first get a feel for what the new experience is like | 16:17 |
tonanhngo | Yes, it might be less error prone to look up the matching driver | 16:17 |
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tonanhngo | and just remember that instead of the combination of 3 values | 16:17 |
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jvgrant | i agree with muralia we have to support both for now anyway, we can take it under consideration as we do the v2 api what works best | 16:18 |
hongbin | my concern is that users might find hard to understand each driver and have difficulties to select them | 16:18 |
hongbin | ok. then let's support both for now | 16:18 |
tonanhngo | Sounds good | 16:18 |
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jvgrant | it would need to be shown to the user in a friendly way | 16:19 |
muralia | hongbin: makes sense. i'll keep that in for now. lets talk more | 16:19 |
hongbin | OK. Advance topic | 16:19 |
hongbin | 4. Rename bay to cluster (jvgrant) | 16:19 |
hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/rename-bay-to-cluster | 16:19 |
hongbin | jvgrant: ^^ | 16:19 |
jvgrant | The first major patch went in, so now api has been updated to support ClusterTemplate and Cluster | 16:19 |
jvgrant | Bay/BayModel are still supported, but all new feature work should be done on ClusterTemplate/Cluster | 16:20 |
jvgrant | so be aware of that with new changes and code reviews | 16:20 |
jvgrant | several more code review are out for more changes: | 16:21 |
jvgrant | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354436/ - Client | 16:21 |
jvgrant | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354404/ - Docs | 16:21 |
jvgrant | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358777/ - Certs | 16:21 |
jvgrant | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358831/ - API cleanup | 16:21 |
muralia | oh wow! lots of patches. cool. | 16:22 |
jvgrant | I've started working on the object and db changes and the first patch for the ClusterTemplate will be out soon | 16:22 |
tonanhngo | I guess new patches from everyone should now refer to the new terminology? | 16:22 |
jvgrant | tonanhngo: yes please | 16:22 |
swatson_ | Client is basically done but I'll implement those nits once I'm done syncing here | 16:22 |
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jvgrant | in my opinion, we should consider Bay and BayModel frozen now and only bug fixes go into those. Any changes or new features should go on cluster | 16:23 |
jvgrant | so we all get used to using the new terms and Bay/BayModel can be retired | 16:23 |
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tonanhngo | hmm, but that would mean we have different behavior | 16:23 |
jvgrant | they are still backwards compatible | 16:24 |
muralia | yes, i would expect them to work the same. we are just renaming it | 16:24 |
hongbin | we might not be able to freeze the bay/baymodel | 16:25 |
tonanhngo | It's probably OK with new features, but bug fixes should probably go into both | 16:25 |
jvgrant | yes, bug fixes and anything key should go into both | 16:25 |
hongbin | because they are actually share the code in DB/objects | 16:25 |
hongbin | ok | 16:25 |
jvgrant | yeah, this is just about api | 16:25 |
jvgrant | underneath they will use the exact same code for object and db | 16:26 |
hongbin | jvgrant: However, most of the changes are not just api | 16:26 |
tonanhngo | It's more work, but it may be simplest to just maintain both for now until we remove bay/baymodel | 16:26 |
jvgrant | i guess freeze is a little strong, i guess i meant we should avoid having to duplicate too much between them | 16:26 |
jvgrant | but most things will remain the same | 16:26 |
jvgrant | agreed | 16:27 |
muralia | ah, makes sense | 16:27 |
jvgrant | everyone just needs to be aware during reviews to make sure if one is updated then the other api is as well | 16:27 |
tonanhngo | hopefully the unit tests would help to catch them | 16:28 |
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jvgrant | tonanhngo: i have made sure to keep versions of both unit tests so that we check both ways on changes | 16:28 |
hongbin | It would be niceer if the API of bay/cluster are consolidate into one though | 16:28 |
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jvgrant | yeah, i have a change for that, but it made the code pretty complicated. I haven't given up on it though | 16:29 |
jvgrant | it might be easier once i switch the object and db | 16:29 |
hongbin | ok | 16:29 |
jvgrant | good progress over all and thanks to swatson for help on client side | 16:29 |
jvgrant | that is all | 16:30 |
hongbin | Thanks jvgrant | 16:30 |
hongbin | Any other comment/question? | 16:30 |
hongbin | #topic Kuryr Integration Update (tango) | 16:31 |
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hongbin | tonanhngo: ^^ | 16:31 |
tonanhngo | The Kuryr team didn't have a meeting yesterday, looks like Taku from Japan was not available to run the meeting | 16:31 |
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tonanhngo | There was a number of reviews on the current patches for refactoring | 16:32 |
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tonanhngo | but the developer working on it apparently was out last week, so no new patches yet | 16:32 |
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tonanhngo | I have 2 patches now, and I can bring up a Swarm cluster with Kuryr | 16:33 |
tonanhngo | Still validating and debugging | 16:33 |
hongbin | woo | 16:33 |
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tonanhngo | What I am thinking is that we can go ahead with the current Kuryr driver | 16:33 |
tonanhngo | basically it's the Mitaka version | 16:33 |
hongbin | wfm | 16:34 |
tonanhngo | and have it working with our Swarm cluster | 16:34 |
tonanhngo | when we have the new driver, we can do some rework to fit it in | 16:34 |
muralia | sure | 16:34 |
tonanhngo | the functionality is the same, so it should be transparent to the user | 16:34 |
tonanhngo | That's all for now | 16:35 |
hongbin | Thanks tonanhngo | 16:35 |
hongbin | #topic Other blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas | 16:35 |
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hongbin | 1. How many fishbowl/workroom sessions you would like to request in Barcelona summit? | 16:35 |
hongbin | We had 5 fishbowl and 5 workroom at Austin summit, but I was told there will be less slots in Barcelona. | 16:36 |
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tonanhngo | We will still have the Friday session right? | 16:36 |
hongbin | We need to decide how many fishbowl/workroom to request | 16:36 |
hongbin | tonanhngo: Friday session will have two session | 16:37 |
hongbin | tonanhngo: design summit at the morning, meetup at the afternoon | 16:37 |
tonanhngo | We can spill over to Friday afternoon if necessary | 16:37 |
hongbin | tonanhngo: what do you mean? | 16:37 |
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tonanhngo | arrange our own sessions during the meetup | 16:38 |
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tonanhngo | we can probably fit 3 topics in the afternoon | 16:39 |
hongbin | tonanhngo: The fishbowl/workrrom sessions will be from Wednesday to Friday morning | 16:39 |
hongbin | tonanhngo: At the Friday afternoon, there are all meetup session | 16:39 |
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hongbin | tonanhngo: Yes, uncovered topics will be moved to the meetup session | 16:40 |
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hongbin | All, how many fishbowl/workroom we would like to request? | 16:41 |
tonanhngo | So, would it be poor manner to request 5 + 5 as in Austin? | 16:41 |
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hongbin | tonanhngo: I think 5+5 is fine, as long as they have enough slots | 16:42 |
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hongbin | tonanhngo: possibly, the result will be 4+4 or 3+3 if the slots are not enough | 16:42 |
tonanhngo | In the worst case, they will just tell us what's available and we can go with that | 16:42 |
hongbin | Yes | 16:43 |
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hongbin | If nobody has opinion, I will continue to request 5+5 on behalf of the team | 16:44 |
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hongbin | silent .... | 16:44 |
Drago | +1+1 | 16:44 |
jvgrant | +1 :) | 16:44 |
tonanhngo | +1 | 16:44 |
hongbin | ok | 16:45 |
hongbin | That is all for the design summit session | 16:45 |
hongbin | Next one | 16:45 |
hongbin | 2. Decide the time for Magnum feature freeze | 16:45 |
hongbin | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html Newton release scheduler | 16:45 |
hongbin | We needs to choose a date to freeze our repo | 16:46 |
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hongbin | When we are on feature freeze, only bug fixes can go in | 16:46 |
hongbin | The freeze will last a few days, until I create a stable branch | 16:47 |
tonanhngo | Do we allow FFE? | 16:47 |
hongbin | Yes | 16:48 |
hongbin | I would be flexiable for the freezing date | 16:48 |
hongbin | However, here is the date of release | 16:48 |
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muralia | looks like the newton release is oct | 16:48 |
hongbin | Aug 29-02 for CLI | 16:48 |
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hongbin | Sep 12-16 for server | 16:49 |
hongbin | muralia: Yes, oct is the final release | 16:49 |
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hieulq_ | hongbin: why do magnum not have tag release:cycle-with-milestones? | 16:51 |
hongbin | hieulq_: I guess that is because nobody asked me to require this tag | 16:52 |
muralia | i think those dates should work. for the cli, looks like the bay to cluster work is what needs to get done. im adding --driver, but everything will be backwards compatible. i cant think of any other major work in progress. i think those dates should work. for the cli, looks like the bay to cluster work is what needs to get done. im adding --driver, but everything will be backwards compatible. i cant think of any other major work | 16:52 |
muralia | in progress. | 16:52 |
tonanhngo | So if we take 8/29 as the FF and pick the key features for FFE, is there any concern? | 16:52 |
tonanhngo | this would match other projects | 16:53 |
hongbin | OK | 16:54 |
hongbin | Aug 29-02 is the CLI release | 16:54 |
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hongbin | If we freeze at that date, that is too late (I feel) | 16:54 |
hongbin | It is better to make it a week earlier, then I have more time to create the stable branch | 16:55 |
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hongbin | but it is up to you | 16:55 |
tonanhngo | Sounds good | 16:55 |
jvgrant | freeze CLI on 26th? | 16:55 |
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hongbin | jvgrant: yes. That could be done | 16:55 |
jvgrant | i think the cluster to bay is the only major feature that needs to get in before then | 16:56 |
jvgrant | and it is in review and close now | 16:56 |
swatson_ | Hongbin +2'd it but I can put in the nit fixes if we want | 16:56 |
swatson_ | I think the only thing after that is the cert thing | 16:56 |
tcammann | I'm very late, but would this bp still add value. I have a team member who might have some time available: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/add-hidden-flag-to-baymodel | 16:56 |
tcammann | If not could you suggest some a constrained piece that could be completed by someone new to Magnum that would be useful. | 16:57 |
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hongbin | Let's prioritize for all the CLI patches for now | 16:57 |
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muralia | tcammann: yes, this would be helpful | 16:58 |
hongbin | Then, the CLI will be freeze whenever you guys are ready | 16:58 |
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hongbin | Any concern about the CLI freezing? | 16:58 |
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hongbin | For the freeze of server, we can discuss it at the next team meeting | 16:59 |
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hongbin | Time is up now. All, thanks for joining the meeting | 17:00 |
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hongbin | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 23 17:00:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-08-23-16.00.html | 17:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-08-23-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-08-23-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 23 17:00:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
Nikolay_St | hey | 17:00 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #topic rollcall | 17:00 |
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kzaitsev_mb | let's see who's up for some murano today ) | 17:01 |
Nikolay_St | hey | 17:01 |
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vakovalchuk_ | o/ | 17:02 |
StanLagun | o/ | 17:02 |
lexplua | o/ | 17:02 |
kzaitsev_mb | #topic Action Items Review | 17:05 |
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kzaitsev_mb | I wanted to write a letter about glare jobs voting — done and would appreciate some input there | 17:05 |
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kzaitsev_mb | basically since I envision another rework to v1 | 17:06 |
kzaitsev_mb | I believe that we can keep it non-voting untill that | 17:06 |
Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: I'm agree here | 17:07 |
kzaitsev_mb | 2) moving mistral/congress to plugins | 17:08 |
kzaitsev_mb | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/move-murano-integrations-to-plugins | 17:08 |
kzaitsev_mb | here's a link to bp | 17:08 |
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kzaitsev_mb | we're most likely not going to do it in newton anyway, since ff is 2 weeks away | 17:08 |
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kzaitsev_mb | guess that's all with the AIs | 17:09 |
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kzaitsev_mb | no specific agenda for today, so | 17:09 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #topic Open Discussion | 17:09 |
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kzaitsev_mb | well, I'd like to remind you folks that N3 is 2 weeks away and N3 marks FF | 17:10 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #link https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 17:10 |
kzaitsev_mb | so we've got to concentrate on getting important things into newton release. | 17:11 |
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Nikolay_St | ok | 17:13 |
Nikolay_St | Well, I've contacted zhu_rong as I promised at previous meeting | 17:13 |
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Nikolay_St | He said that he know about 4 other people from China who are interested in community meetings | 17:14 |
kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St: maybe that would make our meetings more lively =) | 17:14 |
Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: yeap. the problem is that it's too late for guys from China | 17:15 |
kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St: may I ask you to start an email thread to see which time is more suitable for the guys? | 17:16 |
Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: ok, will do | 17:16 |
kzaitsev_mb | Initially I'm ok with having horizon-style alterating meetings | 17:16 |
Nikolay_St | their timezone is like UTC +8 | 17:16 |
Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: I'm okay with that style too | 17:17 |
Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: I can help you with "morning" meetings in case it will be too early for you =D | 17:18 |
kzaitsev_mb | there is plenty of slots in the morning | 17:18 |
kzaitsev_mb | https://www.dropbox.com/s/a72aqn64jxdmukl/Capture%20d'écran%202016-08-23%2020.17.43.png?dl=0 | 17:18 |
kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St: well, that's something I would like to avoid =) I mean — I would like to attend all of them ))) | 17:18 |
kzaitsev_mb | the problem is that our US-based colleagues would not be able to attend though | 17:18 |
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kzaitsev_mb | anyways — let's try to figure out possible times and see if we can balance them between everyone | 17:21 |
Nikolay_St | sure | 17:21 |
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kzaitsev_mb | jallirs in #murano asked about the meeting, but I'm not sure if he's online anymore ) | 17:23 |
kzaitsev_mb | ok | 17:23 |
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kzaitsev_mb | unless there are more news to share/discuss — going to end the meeting in around half the time | 17:24 |
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ding | Hi, I'm new here but have been working on a solution to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/migrate-to-glance-v2 using glance tasks. Would now be the right time to discuss this? | 17:30 |
kzaitsev_mb | ding: yep, you made it right on time =) | 17:31 |
kzaitsev_mb | so, what's your solution to the glance-v2 thing? | 17:31 |
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kzaitsev_mb | the biggest problems IMO is ux | 17:32 |
ding | Basically, it looks like the glance team decided to move copying images from external sources from --copy-from as part of image create into asyncronous tasks | 17:32 |
kzaitsev_mb | while we can fix it somehow in CLI — there is next to no way to do it for dashboard | 17:32 |
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kzaitsev_mb | ding: so your ideas? | 17:34 |
ding | Is there not a way to use tasks from the dashboard, or is it some other issue? | 17:34 |
kzaitsev_mb | ding: you mean glance tasks API? | 17:34 |
ding | yes | 17:34 |
kzaitsev_mb | last time I talked to our glance experts — they said to not touch the tasks API and that they're deprecating it | 17:35 |
ding | oh, interesting. All of the documentation seems to be saying that is the future of glance, haha | 17:35 |
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ding | Have the experts mentioned what they plan to do instead? | 17:36 |
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kzaitsev_mb | ding: well, nothing =) | 17:37 |
kzaitsev_mb | that's the main problem with glance v2 | 17:37 |
kzaitsev_mb | nikhil: ping =) please correct me if I'm wrong, but we should not touch tasks API of glance v2, should we? | 17:38 |
nikhil | kzaitsev_mb: it's admin by default now | 17:38 |
nikhil | it's been deprecated that way | 17:38 |
nikhil | (in short, not to use it) | 17:39 |
kzaitsev_mb | nikhil: meaning that there would not be a way for us to use it programmatically, say from horizon unless the user logged in is admin | 17:39 |
kzaitsev_mb | nikhil: thanks a lot for clarification | 17:39 |
kzaitsev_mb | ding: here's your answer | 17:39 |
nikhil | kzaitsev_mb: correct, we don't want it to be end user facing | 17:39 |
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ding | okay, didn't know that. Thanks. | 17:40 |
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nikhil | the import refactor is the way to go, when that's ready of course | 17:40 |
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kzaitsev_mb | ding: so I think, that we can count that bp as deferred for now, until glance import refactor is done | 17:42 |
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ding | Yeah, that sounds like the best approach. Thank you. | 17:42 |
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kzaitsev_mb | ding: if you're interested in getting involved in murano — I can share a couple of links with entry level tasks and bugs for you ;) | 17:43 |
ding | If you don't mind, I'd appreciate it :) | 17:44 |
kzaitsev_mb | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-entry-level-tasks here's one | 17:44 |
kzaitsev_mb | we also have this e-pad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-newton-priorities | 17:44 |
kzaitsev_mb | I've got to update it ) | 17:44 |
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ding | Thanks, I'll see if there is something on here that my corporate overlords want me to work on. | 17:46 |
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kzaitsev_mb | ding: feel free to propose smth you want/need yourself. Also take note, that N3 is just 2 weeks away, so most likely we're going to push most of unfinished features to ocata | 17:47 |
kzaitsev_mb | however we're thinking of moving to a faster release schedule (i.e. release-with-intermediary) | 17:48 |
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kzaitsev_mb | in ocata cycle, to make a lot of intermediary releases between major N,O,P, etc | 17:49 |
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ding | How frequently would the intermediary releases be, and will the major releases still be on the same schedule? | 17:51 |
kzaitsev_mb | ding: like every 3 weeks at-most =) and yes major releases would still be on time with all the other OS components | 17:54 |
kzaitsev_mb | currently it's just one of the thoughts, that are brewing =) | 17:55 |
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kzaitsev_mb | ding: I'm looking at ironic's model basically as role-model | 17:59 |
kzaitsev_mb | ok thanks folks for joining today | 17:59 |
kzaitsev_mb | see you in #murano if you have any more questions | 17:59 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 23 17:59:38 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-08-23-17.00.html | 17:59 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-08-23-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
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catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 23 19:00:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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pvaneck | o/ | 19:01 |
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hogepodge | o/ | 19:02 |
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catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-08-23 | 19:03 |
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catherineD | Let's start | 19:05 |
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catherineD | seems like we will have a short meeting today | 19:05 |
catherineD | #topic Implement additional properties Defcore waiver | 19:05 |
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catherineD | #link Implement additional properties Defcore waiver https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343022/ | 19:06 |
pvaneck | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349213/ | 19:07 |
hogepodge | is luzC around? | 19:07 |
pvaneck | that was the refstack spec that was abandoned | 19:07 |
catherineD | For this one hogepodge: 's review is most important, since hogepodge: knows the use well | 19:08 |
catherineD | pvaneck: thx | 19:08 |
luzC | hey | 19:08 |
luzC | yes... | 19:08 |
hogepodge | I just got back from vacation, so I haven't had a chance to review yet. | 19:08 |
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catherineD | hogepodge: np | 19:09 |
luzC | @hogepodge ok, also if you have 30 min this afternoon we can go through the other options so that you can give me your feedback and agree on a course of action | 19:10 |
luzC | either as it is on the spec or other alternative option | 19:10 |
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hogepodge | luzC: Definitely do, I have the board meeting following this, but am free after 3 PT | 19:11 |
catherineD | luzC: I added couple comments .. but I think hogepodge: knows the use cases well .. so hogepodge: 's input is the most importnat ... we can review next week | 19:11 |
hogepodge | at first glance, a bunch of whitespace issues, but the central problem seems to be addressed | 19:11 |
catherineD | pvaneck: thx for the correct link .. I will update the agenda | 19:11 |
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luzC | sounds good thank you @hogepodge @catherineD | 19:12 |
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catherineD | moving on | 19:12 |
catherineD | #topic Procduct version specification | 19:13 |
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catherineD | #link Specitication to support product model with multi-versions. ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353903/ ) | 19:13 |
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catherineD | Our goal is to be able to associate results data to vendor products in the Newton cycle as it is shown on the prototype | 19:15 |
pvaneck | yea, this model was used in the prototype, and I had no issues with it | 19:16 |
catherineD | Without this spec merge, all development work are on hold ... | 19:16 |
catherineD | we have the code and prototype ready since August 1st, 2016 ... | 19:16 |
catherineD | but we have not made any progress since | 19:16 |
pvaneck | just need to address the issues inline, then i will +2 | 19:17 |
catherineD | pvaneck: thx | 19:18 |
hogepodge | I don't see any -1, so it seems like moving forward is ok. | 19:18 |
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catherineD | I will push a new patch address pvaneck: 's comments ... | 19:19 |
pvaneck | and chris's comments too | 19:19 |
catherineD | pvaneck: hogepodge: sure | 19:20 |
catherineD | after that could you all review again | 19:20 |
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pvaneck | yep | 19:20 |
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hogepodge | will do | 19:21 |
catherineD | thank you! | 19:21 |
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catherineD | I have specifically asked Andrey and Sergey to attend this meeting so that we can make decision ... I will connect with them afterward | 19:22 |
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catherineD | moving on .. | 19:23 |
catherineD | #topic Pending reviews | 19:23 |
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catherineD | we have a few pending reviews .. However, all of those will be affected depending on the outcomes of https://review.openstack.org/#/q/openstack/refstack,n,z | 19:24 |
catherineD | so I think we should postpone reviewing of those to later | 19:24 |
pvaneck | sure | 19:25 |
catherineD | anything else to discuss? | 19:26 |
pvaneck | nothing from me | 19:26 |
catherineD | if not, we have a short meeting today | 19:26 |
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andrey-mp | o/ | 19:27 |
catherineD | andrey-mp: Hi | 19:27 |
andrey-mp | hi all | 19:27 |
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catherineD | andrey-mp: are you able to see the back log | 19:27 |
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catherineD | we are about done .. | 19:28 |
andrey-mp | ah, ok ) | 19:28 |
catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-08-23 | 19:28 |
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catherineD | andrey-mp: please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353903/ | 19:29 |
andrey-mp | I saw it. | 19:29 |
andrey-mp | i posted one comment. and now I'm waiting for answers/updates due to comment from other reviewers | 19:29 |
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catherineD | I think I address all comments ... andrey-mp: do you mind remind me which one is that? | 19:30 |
andrey-mp | oh sorry, i didn't post it (just wrote) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353903/5/specs/newton/approved/product-version-datamodel-api.rst | 19:31 |
catherineD | andrey-mp: :-) | 19:32 |
andrey-mp | my last comment was very small | 19:32 |
andrey-mp | and new comments are more interested | 19:32 |
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catherineD | andrey-mp: I saw it ... let's ask hogepodge: | 19:33 |
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hogepodge | We don't want a situation where you can create confusion by grabbing another vendor's name, but it's not necessarily critical for this review | 19:34 |
catherineD | hogepodge: are product name unique per vendor a requirment from OSF? If not I can remove that sentence .. | 19:34 |
catherineD | hogepodge: I think we type at the same time .. | 19:35 |
hogepodge | If a malicious or even ill-informed agent were to create a name collision, I think we could revisit the issue | 19:35 |
catherineD | hogepodge: andrey-mp: OK in that case, I can remove the sentence and make a comment there | 19:35 |
hogepodge | I think we see things like VendorA OpenStack, an VendorB OpenStack. If they just use "OpenStack" as the name we wouldn't want to block everyone else | 19:35 |
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andrey-mp | my comment was only about this line in this review | 19:36 |
catherineD | hogepodge: Should VendorA has more than one prodcut named "OpenStack" ? | 19:37 |
andrey-mp | this review is about product-version relation and is not about constraints in vendor-product tables | 19:37 |
hogepodge | catherineD: in practice it's the smaller vendors who do something like that, but it's the source of name collisions. | 19:37 |
hogepodge | to answer andrey-mp's concerns on it, I don't object to removing the line and worrying about it elsewhere | 19:37 |
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catherineD | andrey-mp: if OSF have this requirement then we will implement constraint | 19:38 |
catherineD | OK I will remove the line | 19:38 |
catherineD | I will push a new patch after this meeting ... | 19:39 |
catherineD | please review | 19:39 |
catherineD | anything else to discuss? | 19:40 |
andrey-mp | catherineD: this is old discussion about requirements ) it's better to have all requirements before architect system and develop it (and it's not related to agile or other methodlogies) | 19:40 |
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andrey-mp | but right now we have a situation when new requirements are born every month :) | 19:41 |
catherineD | andrey-mp: I understand ... however giving the short runway we have to have data associating to vendor product ... I don't it is realistic | 19:41 |
hogepodge | andrey-mp: I think you are mischaracterizing the situation, and the requirements for defcore have been expressed multiple time, including in the last meeting at your request. again | 19:42 |
hogepodge | andrey-mp: as part of the project mission of supporting defcore, we've met at summits and mid-cycles to discuss these plans and move the project forward | 19:42 |
catherineD | I check on other projects .. most are done incrementally with a over target such as for us associating data to vendor | 19:43 |
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andrey-mp | hogepodge: this mischaracterizing was born because i can't find a one official place with all requirements | 19:43 |
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catherineD | andrey-mp: I don't think you can find one official place with all requirements | 19:43 |
catherineD | in most of OpenStack project | 19:43 |
catherineD | you will find many specs | 19:44 |
andrey-mp | no one can collect all of them from IRC logs, review, specs, ... | 19:44 |
hogepodge | andrey-mp: and yet you ask, and we describe, and write specs and plan, and you're saying we're not designing properly. We had a huge discussion about this, and documented it, at last defcore mid-cycle | 19:44 |
catherineD | that is why we need to break up the requirements and document them in the spec just like other project did | 19:44 |
andrey-mp | hogepodge: could you get me a link to this document? | 19:45 |
hogepodge | andrey-mp: and you have not been an active participant in any defcore efforts, except for one review. You don't show up at meetings, and you don't show up to midcycle, yet you want to work on a project where the mission is to support defcore efforts | 19:45 |
hogepodge | the google doc captured the data model, the spec catherine posted, the last meeting minutes | 19:46 |
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catherineD | andrey-mp: we tried to document all discussion in the working session to specs | 19:47 |
andrey-mp | yeah, some time ago I understood that refstack is just a project to support defcore efforts | 19:47 |
sslypushenko | o/ | 19:47 |
hogepodge | andrey-mp: This project is to support defcore http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/projects.yaml#n5624 | 19:47 |
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catherineD | andrey-mp: It is still a project to support DefCore efforts ..that is its focus ... but if we can at the same time help other projects that would be great | 19:48 |
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andrey-mp | but hoped that this is a 'RefStack is a source of tools for OpenStack interoperability testing.' | 19:48 |
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andrey-mp | as posted on the main page of RefStack | 19:48 |
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catherineD | andrey-mp: we all want RefStack to grow to that but we need to support DefCore first | 19:49 |
catherineD | andrey-mp: supporting DefCore is supporting :OpenStack interop testing | 19:49 |
andrey-mp | catherineD: it's sad that we didn't catch this early | 19:50 |
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catherineD | andrey-mp: why is that? | 19:50 |
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andrey-mp | Alex tried to do something to improve interoperability testing | 19:51 |
catherineD | andrey-mp: I think the question should be asking is ... if RefStack supports DefCore (this is a giving) and at the same time support others . Isn't that a win-win situation? | 19:51 |
hogepodge | andrey-mp: and we are taking active steps to support general interoperability across openstack, but again, except for a major version patch dropped on defcore (which we're reworking to meet defcore working group goals), you have not participated in a meaningful way. We are working towards general interoperability in the second half of this year, but refstack right now needs to support finer-grained vend | 19:51 |
hogepodge | or details for test result reporting | 19:51 |
catherineD | andrey-mp: you have not prove to me that what we are doing for DefCore is not applicable to your goals | 19:52 |
catherineD | or break you | 19:52 |
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andrey-mp | please stop attack me :) | 19:53 |
hogepodge | andrey-mp: I'm sorry if the defcore timeline doesn't match up with what you need, but I met personally with Randy to discuss these plans and he seemed ok with the path we were taking. I expect to meet the needs of more general interop testing for OpenStack projects late this year and early next, all within the defcore framework and with board approval | 19:53 |
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andrey-mp | I'm not participating in DefCore meetings because it's not my role | 19:54 |
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andrey-mp | I'm just trying to implement some that was discussed in Austin | 19:55 |
catherineD | andrey-mp: Please do no think that about attack ... we are a team ... I would like RefStack to support interop tests (that is DefCore and others ) that is why we keep the discussion going | 19:55 |
catherineD | andrey-mp: what we discuss in Austin is still relevent ... it is the detail that was not disucssed in Austin (in this case it is product has versions) | 19:56 |
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catherineD | the domain model is still intact ... it is the product definition that needed to be improved ... | 19:57 |
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catherineD | this is why I need to understand how implement product with version the way I defined would break the model discussed in Austin .. .because in my mind it enhance the model | 19:59 |
andrey-mp | catherineD: I thought that domain model suggests that each version is an new product. And I thought we discussed it Austing in two words | 19:59 |
catherineD | andrey-mp: domoain model has no mention of version | 19:59 |
hogepodge | I can not stay beyond the meeting end time. | 20:00 |
catherineD | anyway we are out of time .. | 20:00 |
catherineD | Thank you all ... | 20:00 |
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catherineD | I will push a new patch please review .. we need to move the project forward | 20:00 |
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catherineD | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-08-23-19.00.html | 20:01 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-08-23-19.00.txt | 20:01 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-08-23-19.00.log.html | 20:01 |
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