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| zigo | IgorYozhikov: tlbr: Meeting starts? | 13:01 |
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| IgorYozhikov | o/ | 13:01 |
| tlbr | o/ | 13:02 |
| tlbr | \o | 13:02 |
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| zigo | Does one of you have habbits controling the meeting bot? | 13:02 |
| zigo | I don't ... | 13:02 |
| strigazi | o/ | 13:02 |
| IgorYozhikov | #startmeeting deb_packaging | 13:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 5 13:02:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is IgorYozhikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: deb_packaging)" | 13:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'deb_packaging' | 13:02 |
| IgorYozhikov | #chair IgorYozhikov zigo tlbr mordred | 13:03 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: mordred | 13:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov mordred tlbr zigo | 13:03 |
| zigo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-deb-packaging | 13:03 |
| zigo | #topic Stackalitycs status | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stackalitycs status (Meeting topic: deb_packaging)" | 13:04 | |
| zigo | I have no news from Ilya about it. | 13:04 |
| zigo | Though he knows already what needs to be done. | 13:04 |
| zigo | It'd be nice to have it fixed before the elections for PTL start. | 13:04 |
| tlbr | Did he provide any ETA ? | 13:04 |
| zigo | He's in Moscow office, right? | 13:04 |
| tlbr | No, Saratov. | 13:05 |
| zigo | He said last week ... | 13:05 |
| zigo | Ah... | 13:05 |
| zigo | Daniil is where? | 13:05 |
| zigo | Do we have anyone near him to beat him hard? :) | 13:05 |
| tlbr | He doesn't feel well today. =\ | 13:05 |
| zigo | :/ | 13:05 |
| IgorYozhikov | zigo, Daniil on sick leave | 13:05 |
| tlbr | mivanov is also away | 13:05 |
| tlbr | So we don't anyone from there for now. | 13:06 |
| zigo | So, the only way is to ping Ilya by email then. | 13:06 |
| tlbr | No the only way. | 13:06 |
| zigo | I'll do that. | 13:06 |
| tlbr | Slack is ok. | 13:06 |
| zigo | #action zigo to ping Ilya about Stackalytics needed update for packaging-deb | 13:06 |
| zigo | Next topic? | 13:07 |
| zigo | #topic project status | 13:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "project status (Meeting topic: deb_packaging)" | 13:07 | |
| zigo | We got almost all of Oslo packages built on infra. | 13:07 |
| IgorYozhikov | zigo, it is awesome | 13:07 |
| strigazi | where can these packages be found? | 13:08 |
| zigo | oslo.cache and oslo.db are missing, because we need deb-alembic to be approved as new gerrit repo by the infra team, and we need tag push ACL for pushing new versions of dogpile.cache | 13:08 |
| zigo | The rest should build ok (a few are remaining to trigger) | 13:08 |
| IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365477/1 | 13:08 |
| zigo | Yup, that's the one. | 13:09 |
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| zigo | #link https://review.openstack.org/365477 | 13:09 |
| tlbr | strigazi, http://mirror.regionone.osic-cloud1.openstack.org/debian-openstack/ | 13:09 |
| strigazi | thx | 13:09 |
| zigo | strigazi: That's *one* of the URLs, there's in fact one repo per cloud that infra uses. | 13:10 |
| strigazi | ok | 13:10 |
| IgorYozhikov | zigo, are we going to push tags manually or through existing in ifra mechanism? | 13:10 |
| zigo | You also shall remember that these are only for testing purposes, what counts at the end is what we upload to distros. | 13:10 |
| zigo | IgorYozhikov: The thing that I am not clear with is if we can push non-signed upstream tags. | 13:10 |
| zigo | IgorYozhikov: For example, alembic has rel_0_6_2, we need to push a 0.6.2 label on top. | 13:11 |
| zigo | None of them are in gerrit. | 13:11 |
| zigo | I'm not sure how this will work, but it's very important we clear that up. | 13:11 |
| zigo | IgorYozhikov: Any suggestion / thoughts about it? | 13:11 |
| IgorYozhikov | zigo, u r now about git-buildpackage structure right? | 13:11 |
| zigo | Yup. | 13:11 |
| zigo | Using git tag workflow. | 13:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | i c, now it's clear | 13:12 |
| zigo | No package uploaded to gerrit is using pristine tar. | 13:12 |
| zigo | Probably, if we have the ACL, that's enough. | 13:12 |
| zigo | I'd say, we'll see, no? :) | 13:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | we could try | 13:13 |
| zigo | Also, nearly all of the packages in deb-auto-backports are built too. | 13:13 |
| zigo | We can just build the remaining as we need them. | 13:13 |
| zigo | #topic canonical server team contribution | 13:14 |
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| zigo | It looks like it should be possible to have James Page change his mind, according to the discussion on the Alioth list. | 13:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | wow, really, canonical will join us? | 13:14 |
| zigo | Let me find the link of the thread... | 13:15 |
| zigo | #link http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/openstack-devel/2016-September/018098.html | 13:15 |
| zigo | We need to define a clear workflow for uploads in Debian, and explicit the fact that we consider infra deb repo as non-official testing only repo. | 13:16 |
| IgorYozhikov | ah, I've seen this | 13:16 |
| zigo | Meaning someone needs to write in the install-guide. | 13:16 |
| zigo | So far, I've been the only contributor to the install-guide in the team. | 13:16 |
| zigo | Anyone up for the task? | 13:16 |
| zigo | It'd be really nice if we could show to the doc guys that I wont be the only contributor. | 13:17 |
| zigo | They've been very vocal over the years that it shouldn't be the case. | 13:17 |
| zigo | IgorYozhikov: tlbr: Do you have time for that? | 13:17 |
| tlbr | I can do that, but we need to discuss it. | 13:18 |
| tlbr | To have a clear vision. | 13:18 |
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| zigo | tlbr: What do you need to know? | 13:18 |
| IgorYozhikov | zigo, good point, also we need to start with filling up of wiki space | 13:18 |
| strigazi | zigo: you mean the debconf install-guide? | 13:19 |
| tlbr | zigo, for example get commits from Alioth, not everyone uses Gerrit for it. | 13:19 |
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| zigo | #action tlbr to commit in the install-guide about the fact OpenStack infra repo are *not* for production use, but testing only. | 13:19 |
| zigo | strigazi: Both the debconf one and the non-interactive one. | 13:19 |
| zigo | tlbr: This has nothing to do with Alioth, as as far as I'm concerned, Alioth git repo will die. | 13:19 |
| zigo | tlbr: It's about OpenStack infra debian repository vs distribution (ie: Debian Sid/testing & Ubuntu Xenial + UCA or the latest Ubuntu). | 13:20 |
| tlbr | zigo, well, we still need ongoing changes from it. | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | zigo, let's tlbr prepare a draft | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | after that we will review it | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | and post on wiki | 13:20 |
| zigo | tlbr: Feel free to start a WIP patch first... | 13:21 |
| tlbr | zigo, okay | 13:21 |
| tlbr | IgorYozhikov, ok, will do | 13:21 |
| zigo | Do you guys see anything else that could ease Canonical's team to join our effort? | 13:21 |
| IgorYozhikov | cool | 13:21 |
| zigo | +decision | 13:22 |
| tlbr | What do they actually need ? | 13:22 |
| zigo | So far, James only expressed 2 concerns: 1/ that we should explicitely be vocal that users should use distribution repositories | 13:22 |
| zigo | I very much agree with this | 13:22 |
| zigo | and 2/ that we should have all the PKG OpenStack team to agree on the move to Gerrit | 13:23 |
| zigo | I really think both are workable. | 13:23 |
| tlbr | I don't see any blockers. | 13:23 |
| zigo | For 2/, I believe it's already the case that everyone agrees. | 13:23 |
| IgorYozhikov | yep | 13:23 |
| zigo | But maybe there are more things we could do to make them comfortable? | 13:24 |
| IgorYozhikov | that was initially decided | 13:24 |
| strigazi | I think 2 will increase contributions from projects | 13:24 |
| zigo | If you have any idea, please shoot ... | 13:24 |
| zigo | strigazi: That's indeed my hope as well. | 13:24 |
| tlbr | Provide them with documentation if required. | 13:24 |
| zigo | Shall we set the topic to building contributor's guide? :) | 13:24 |
| IgorYozhikov | zigo, without any input from them - we can only guess | 13:24 |
| zigo | #topic documenting contribution to packaging-deb | 13:25 |
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| tlbr | I guess so :) | 13:25 |
| IgorYozhikov | agree | 13:25 |
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| zigo | I'll stop typing, IgorYozhikov, you have the con ... :P | 13:25 |
| IgorYozhikov | zigo, ok | 13:25 |
| IgorYozhikov | I suppose to prepare a contributions guide and post it here - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/DEB-packaging | 13:26 |
| IgorYozhikov | I believe that this is a good place to store it | 13:26 |
| zigo | What content shall we set there? | 13:27 |
| IgorYozhikov | I'll prepare initial page for it | 13:27 |
| zigo | Things are too obvious for me, I don't think I'd be the good person to write in there. | 13:27 |
| zigo | Though ideas could be taken from: http://openstack.alioth.debian.org/ | 13:27 |
| IgorYozhikov | I think, that at 1st - how to update already exiting projects | 13:27 |
| zigo | #link http://openstack.alioth.debian.org/ | 13:27 |
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| tlbr | I don't think that is very obvious that users should have enough rights to push merge commits :) | 13:28 |
| IgorYozhikov | 2nd - style | 13:28 |
| IgorYozhikov | with examples | 13:28 |
| zigo | tlbr: I agree, we should document the fact that only packaging core group has this right. | 13:28 |
| IgorYozhikov | ie - how should resulting package specification looks like | 13:29 |
| tlbr | zigo, at leat we may specify that it could be changed in future. | 13:29 |
| tlbr | *least | 13:29 |
| zigo | It should be all but a guide on how to do actual packaging. There's enough docs about that in Debian. We could point to existing packages already in production within the packaging-deb project, as well as the packaging-tutorial package in Debian, if contributors need to know. | 13:29 |
| zigo | Maybe we should also explain what the git-buildpackage tag based workflow is, no? | 13:30 |
| zigo | That page here http://openstack.alioth.debian.org/ has such details. | 13:30 |
| IgorYozhikov | so future doc need to be filled up with links to already existing documentation | 13:30 |
| zigo | But it's outdated, and should be reviewed. | 13:31 |
| zigo | Yup. | 13:31 |
| tlbr | Just specify that we use git-buildpackage, it should be enough. | 13:31 |
| zigo | tlbr: And the fact we generate tarballs out of upstream git tags too (ie: we don't use pristine-tar). | 13:31 |
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| tlbr | zigo, yeap, good idea | 13:32 |
| zigo | IgorYozhikov: You're up for the task, right? | 13:32 |
| IgorYozhikov | I can try | 13:32 |
| zigo | #action IgorYozhikov to write contributor guide, explaining the git-buildpackage tag based workflow, how pushing tags & merge commit work (ie: only from core group), plus links to existing Debian packaging docs | 13:33 |
| IgorYozhikov | zigo, assign an AI on me | 13:33 |
| IgorYozhikov | ah, ok | 13:33 |
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| zigo | Next item? | 13:33 |
| strigazi | IgorYozhikov If you need feedback from a new contributor count me in | 13:33 |
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| IgorYozhikov | strigazi, thanx | 13:34 |
| zigo | strigazi: Nice, you're very much welcome to help! | 13:34 |
| zigo | #topic todo list for next week | 13:34 |
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| zigo | So, remaining to do before we build services, is building all the python*client | 13:34 |
| IgorYozhikov | agree here, same we are going to do in downstream | 13:35 |
| zigo | I attempted building python-keystoneclient, and it needs tempest, which is currently stuck with a failed download | 13:35 |
| zigo | Though it should normally work... | 13:35 |
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| zigo | Then we'll need to build cross-project libs like os-brick, neutron-lib and such. | 13:35 |
| IgorYozhikov | I saw, and about tempest | 13:35 |
| zigo | Yeah, that's *very* annoying. | 13:36 |
| IgorYozhikov | do we really need it for unit tests? | 13:36 |
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| zigo | It's due to the fact that the Debian mirror from infra is unsigned. | 13:36 |
| zigo | Meaning we can't use it with sbuild-createchroot. | 13:36 |
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| zigo | Hopefully, they will fix it and use a *real* ftp-sync script. | 13:36 |
| zigo | Though currently, we have to deal with what we have. | 13:36 |
| zigo | tempest is a build dependency of *many* things, since it now replaces tempest-list. | 13:37 |
| zigo | It's possible we'll need to remove temporarily some build-dependency of tempest so that it can build... | 13:37 |
| IgorYozhikov | zigo, I saw a similar test reqs in *murano* | 13:37 |
| zigo | The usual drill you know. | 13:37 |
| zigo | I'm really not worried. | 13:37 |
| tlbr | Anything else to discuss ? | 13:38 |
| IgorYozhikov | and dev team told me that tempest needed only 4 functional testing | 13:38 |
| zigo | Once we've build everything, we should attempt to upgrade all to Newton b3 (all is currently Newton b2...). | 13:38 |
| IgorYozhikov | not unit | 13:38 |
| IgorYozhikov | that's why I'm asking | 13:38 |
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| zigo | Yeah, another topic! :) | 13:38 |
| tlbr | :) | 13:38 |
| zigo | #topic removal of duplicate repo | 13:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "removal of duplicate repo (Meeting topic: deb_packaging)" | 13:38 | |
| zigo | #link https://review.openstack.org/362732 | 13:39 |
| tlbr | I don't think that we should remove it at this moment | 13:39 |
| zigo | tlbr: Can you take care of that one? | 13:39 |
| zigo | Why? | 13:39 |
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| tlbr | I'm not sure, if python- prefixes could be an issue when we will use zuul-cloner | 13:40 |
| tlbr | Because Debian name differs =\ | 13:40 |
| zigo | It isn't, as much as I can tell. | 13:40 |
| tlbr | Well, I'm not sure | 13:41 |
| zigo | What issue do you forsee exactly? | 13:41 |
| tlbr | It need further investigation | 13:41 |
| zigo | tlbr: So are you suggesting we just wait, and deal with the deletion later? | 13:41 |
| zigo | I don't really mind if we do that... | 13:41 |
| tlbr | zigo, lets postpone it for now, please. :) | 13:42 |
| zigo | Ok | 13:42 |
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| zigo | #action We will *not* remove duplicate repositories for now, it's postpone for at least a week | 13:42 |
| zigo | #topic open discussion | 13:43 |
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| zigo | strigazi: IgorYozhikov: tlbr: Anything else you'd like to discuss? | 13:43 |
| tlbr | zigo, are you picking new changes from Alioth ? | 13:43 |
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| tlbr | or we don't need it at all at this moment | 13:43 |
| tlbr | and can discuss it later | 13:43 |
| zigo | tlbr: I'll do that manually, that's implicitely part of Newton b3 move. | 13:44 |
| zigo | tlbr: I'm not sure how to detect these changes though. | 13:44 |
| tlbr | zigo, by squashing commits into one ? | 13:44 |
| zigo | tlbr: Are you suggesting some kind of automation ? :) | 13:44 |
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| tlbr | zigo, yes, sure we need it | 13:44 |
| zigo | tlbr: Yeah, no choice, because we must do "merge commit" with the new upstream version ... | 13:44 |
| strigazi | About the build of clients, is python-magnumclient going to be included? | 13:45 |
| tlbr | zigo, that is my only concern for now :) | 13:45 |
| zigo | The merge commit must contain the merge of the new tag, AND the necessary packaging change in a single commit. | 13:45 |
| zigo | strigazi: Yes, it will. | 13:45 |
| zigo | strigazi: Everything that is over here will be in upstream OpenStack infra at some point: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=openstack-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org | 13:46 |
| zigo | tlbr: Will you write the automation script to detect changes between alioth and Gerrit? | 13:46 |
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| zigo | IMO, it should only detect changes in the debian folder, that's enough. | 13:46 |
| tlbr | strigazi, Heat requires it https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/requirements.txt#L42. We will do it for sure | 13:47 |
| tlbr | zigo, at least I may try to do that | 13:47 |
| zigo | Cool. | 13:47 |
| tlbr | zigo, as a new job ? | 13:47 |
| tlbr | I mean, periodic job | 13:47 |
| zigo | tlbr: Just a shell script, which you can drop anywhere, that's IMO fine. | 13:47 |
| tlbr | zigo, ok, will do | 13:48 |
| zigo | We will only need it for the time of the migration, IMO. | 13:48 |
| tlbr | Agree :) | 13:48 |
| zigo | #action tlbr to write a script to check inconsistency between alioth and gerrit, so we wont forget changes pushed to alioth | 13:48 |
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| IgorYozhikov | zigo, what are your plans for summit, r u going to be in Barcelona? | 13:48 |
| zigo | I think we're done here, no? | 13:48 |
| tlbr | yeap, thank you for your time! | 13:48 |
| zigo | IgorYozhikov: Definitively going yes. I need to open a ticket @mirantis for that. | 13:48 |
| zigo | It's close from where I live anyway. We may even drive to it, not sure about it yet. | 13:49 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok, rpm-packaging colleagues want to discuss "build machine" | 13:49 |
| zigo | Ok, let's close the meeting then, let's chat in #openstack-pkg. strigazi you're of course welcome there. | 13:49 |
| zigo | IgorYozhikov: At the summit? | 13:50 |
| IgorYozhikov | yep | 13:50 |
| strigazi | cool | 13:50 |
| zigo | What does "build machine" means ? | 13:50 |
| IgorYozhikov | I asked him about that on previous week | 13:50 |
| IgorYozhikov | package builder on infra | 13:50 |
| zigo | Ah, right. | 13:50 |
| zigo | Well, they can look how we've done with openstack-pkg-tools and what's in project-config. | 13:51 |
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| zigo | I'm not sure how we can advise better than this. | 13:51 |
| IgorYozhikov | :) | 13:51 |
| zigo | Also, probably we'll move pkgos-infra-install-sbuild to diskimage-builder somehow. | 13:51 |
| IgorYozhikov | so, we have 9 mins to go | 13:51 |
| zigo | It really takes too much time to setup sbuild on each build. | 13:51 |
| zigo | IgorYozhikov: Yes, but we're done, no? :) | 13:51 |
| IgorYozhikov | looks like it there are no objections | 13:52 |
| IgorYozhikov | or topics :) | 13:52 |
| IgorYozhikov | s/it/if/ | 13:52 |
| zigo | Thanks everyone! | 13:52 |
| zigo | #endmeeting | 13:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 5 13:52:28 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/deb_packaging/2016/deb_packaging.2016-09-05-13.02.html | 13:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/deb_packaging/2016/deb_packaging.2016-09-05-13.02.txt | 13:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/deb_packaging/2016/deb_packaging.2016-09-05-13.02.log.html | 13:52 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 5 15:01:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | hey all | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:01 |
| electrocucaracha | o/ | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam Agenda | 15:01 |
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| asingh | Hi | 15:01 |
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| ihrachys | korzen is on PTO | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s is probably back? :) | 15:02 |
| electrocucaracha | and it's holiday in US | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | oh right, though some of US folks are still here :) | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | we'll run it quick | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:03 | |
| ihrachys | we are in deep freeze mode | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | milestone3 is cut-off | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | we are waiting for rc1 to happen, when stable/newton branches will be created | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | at which point ocata development will be open | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | it will happen ~2 weeks from now | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | in the meantime, we are blocked on landing anything not critical | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | and btw seems like push-notifications don't really happen, so network and port objects don't land in Newton. | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | which is not big deal from our side. | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Partial Multinode Grenade (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:04 | |
| ihrachys | I guess the last week it was mostly me to talk to jschwarz on our next steps for linuxbridge grenade job | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | it did not really happen for multiple reasons. | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | it's still on my plate though | 15:05 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, hi there, sorry for being late | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | so no real updates in this regard so far. | 15:05 |
| electrocucaracha | is it considered critical for m3? | 15:05 |
| * ihrachys waves at rossella_s | 15:05 | |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: what? linuxbridge job? no | 15:05 |
| electrocucaracha | yeah, that one | 15:06 |
| electrocucaracha | ok | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: btw m3 happened, we are now looking for rc1 cut-off | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Object implementation (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:06 | |
| ihrachys | ok, for that one, we have two bits to consider for N inclusion | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | one is from electrocucaracha to not raise on unknown filter passed from API layer | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365659/ | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | for anyone with review cycles, please take a look, it should go in N so that we don't regress | 15:07 |
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| ihrachys | another one is passing db model to dict extensions | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348279/ | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | I am still working on that one, needs some refactoring for tests code to pass gate | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | those are two bits known to me critical for N | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | other than that, we are looking into Ocata now | 15:08 |
| electrocucaracha | regarding unknown filters, adding UT for API for now the API uses models, so | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: what do you mean api uses models? | 15:08 |
| electrocucaracha | yes, I was checking the code and it uses the plugins to get_objects method | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: you mean db/api.py file? | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I am not sure how it's affected because filter validation is isolated in base class get_objects | 15:10 |
| electrocucaracha | let me find the current reference where it discards the unknown filters | 15:10 |
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| dasanind_ | o/ | 15:12 |
| electrocucaracha | I wasn't prepare to share it, ihrachys continue with the meeting in the meantime I will try to find it | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: ok | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | so, we are looking into Ocata now. | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | we will get back to existing patches once the branch is open | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | in the meantime, we can keep existing patches in good shape to merge | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | I don't have any specifics to share right now. | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | I've heard that some folks had questions on some patches | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | it would probably be a good time to share and discuss those | 15:14 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: you mentioned something to discuss today | 15:15 |
| electrocucaracha | yes, about outer joins that asingh has been faced | 15:15 |
| electrocucaracha | this is an example of that https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/a6e1cd4e80145cfe5ac909f7cf86fb0399ac58fe/neutron/db/l3_hascheduler_db.py#L64 | 15:16 |
| electrocucaracha | basically, what is the plan for those cases? | 15:16 |
| asingh | Ihrachys during object integration there are joins and outer join , neutron/objects.base.py does don't have method definition for them | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | ok I see | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | I think the first step would be isolating those pieces under object definitions | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | so you would have some object specific functions that do the job | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | you basically just move the code closer to objects | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | then later when we see common patterns, we could think of how to generalize | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | does it make sense? I don't want to block the progress there while we try to generalize | 15:18 |
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| electrocucaracha | yes, but I guess that it will be good idea to list the dependencies of the objects | 15:19 |
| asingh | Ihrachys Do you mean break join queries using existing methods for object integration ? | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: yeah, that would make sense. though it would probably be a tad easier to detect if all db accessing code is under neutron/objects/ anyway. | 15:20 |
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| ihrachys | asingh: I mean, if you struggle to come up with how to implement something with existing objects api then move the custom code like that function doing the join into the corresponding object (Agent?) and keep it there exposed as a function on the object class. | 15:21 |
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| electrocucaracha | well, I was thinking that outers are more like filters on the object that you depend on | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: yeah, I guess. so you suggest it could be implemented as a custom filter? | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | even if that's the case, I would suggest to parallelize the efforts | 15:24 |
| electrocucaracha | I was thinking loudly, that given outer joins retrieves the information that doesn't meet with the criteria maybe those can be implemented in that way | 15:24 |
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| ihrachys | one would be isolating db access code into an object, another being a better advanced api for objects. | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | when we move the code into the object, we can leave a NOTE/TODO to get back to it later | 15:25 |
| electrocucaracha | +1 | 15:25 |
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| ihrachys | ok I hope it clarifies the path forward. | 15:26 |
| asingh | +1 | 15:26 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: you mentioned other concerns I guess?.. | 15:26 |
| dasanind_ | ihrachys: electrocucaracha: so we do not refactor outer joins just move the code? | 15:26 |
| electrocucaracha | yes, the other one is cases where the method receives a session instead of context | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | dasanind_: as a first step, yes. later we can follow up with a better suggestion assuming there is one | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | custom filters look like a path to consider | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: yeah, that one, I think it's generally ok to refactor to pass context instead of a session | 15:27 |
| electrocucaracha | this is an example of that https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/dd4f1253c951d78a5b497680dfb31317ba469a58/neutron/ipam/drivers/neutrondb_ipam/db_api.py#L29 | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: we need to be mindful that some bits may be part of some public plugin api | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | in which case we may not be able to replace it right away. | 15:28 |
| dasanind_ | ihrachys: thanks | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | but we'll take a look at it case by case I guess | 15:28 |
| electrocucaracha | one suggestion was identify the callers of that method and change the way that they're consuming that method, but yeah we can break something there | 15:29 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: we will need to work closely with folks from affected subteams. | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: like in this case, ipam/l3 folks would be the right fellows to ask about the status of the class | 15:29 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: so that raises and other question, how can we identify them? | 15:30 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: ok, based on the code that we're touching | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I don't think you can until you try to integrate | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | right, touch and see where it leads | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | we don't want to go and change it across the board even where not really needed ;) | 15:31 |
| electrocucaracha | or at least understand the needs for having implemented in that way | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | ok any more questions on ovo implementation? | 15:32 |
| electrocucaracha | well, I found the reference of the filters | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: shoot | 15:33 |
| electrocucaracha | basically, this is the place where the filters are taken based on the columns | 15:33 |
| electrocucaracha | https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/db/common_db_mixin.py#L209 | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: ok. how is your patch affected there? | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: afaiu you just disable validation in the object middleware | 15:34 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: yes, for now it only have a condition for that | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: so that's what you would probably check - that if the validation is disabled, calling it with unknown filters does not raise an error but pass the filters thru | 15:34 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: which looks to simple to be truth https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365659/1/neutron/objects/base.py@412 | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | haha. don't be afraid of simplicity ;) | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | that's actually the gist what I envisioned for the patch (plus tests) | 15:35 |
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| electrocucaracha | yeah, but finding simplicity in openstack is rare | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | :) ok I assume you have the path forward for the patch then. I will review it in due course. | 15:36 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: thanks | 15:36 |
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| ihrachys | ok I assume we can move on but feel free to raise more stuff later in the meeting | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | #topic Other patches on review | 15:37 |
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| ihrachys | I don't know of any upgrades related patches that are not ovo lately | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:37 |
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| electrocucaracha | relocation patches are going to be on hold until ocata development? | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: yes, that's now given | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: nothing goes in now unless it has FFE (meaning, it was targeted and got exception) | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: plus bug fixes obviously, but that's not our case | 15:38 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: agree | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | ok, I guess we can call it a day? | 15:39 |
| electrocucaracha | so, rebase them or solving merge conflicts is not super urgent for now | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: yea | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | but they are better to be ready when we open the branch | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | I may have another run thru them later this week | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | just to make sure it's all in shape | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's use remaining 20 mins to do some coding and reviews | 15:40 |
| electrocucaracha | got it | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | thanks everyone for joining | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:40 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 5 15:40:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-09-05-15.01.html | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-09-05-15.01.txt | 15:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-09-05-15.01.log.html | 15:40 |
| dasm | o/ | 15:40 |
| electrocucaracha | \o | 15:41 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: Hi | 18:01 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: hi | 18:01 |
| dguitarbite | #startmeeting training-labs | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 5 18:01:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dguitarbite. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-labs)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_labs' | 18:01 |
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| dguitarbite | #topic python_port | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "python_port (Meeting topic: training-labs)" | 18:02 | |
| dguitarbite | I think julen is busy today. He moved to new city :). | 18:02 |
| rluethi | right. | 18:02 |
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| rluethi | so, still tweaking a few things, ironing out some smallish bugs | 18:03 |
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| rluethi | did you try it? | 18:03 |
| dguitarbite | Ok, I did not try it yet, I looked at the code. There is not enough time :|.\ | 18:03 |
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| dguitarbite | I finally finalzied the distro logic, I want to finish the parser, doing nothing else in life at present :). | 18:03 |
| dguitarbite | I did read the code, I have a lot of suggestions, be ready to find a lot of Pull Requests soon. | 18:04 |
| rluethi | well, it _is_ an important piece of work. | 18:04 |
| dguitarbite | I would before that like to get your concent that you are done and that you wont create any more branches ;) | 18:04 |
| rluethi | not done. | 18:04 |
| rluethi | but if we wait til I'm done we'll never get it merged. | 18:05 |
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| dguitarbite | Let's give a deadline, meanwhile I will test your code by black box testing | 18:05 |
| dguitarbite | Deadline for you to stop branching ;). How about Friday for the same? | 18:06 |
| rluethi | I have too many deadlines in my life already, but I still stand by what I said before: I want to try and get the Python port merged before Barcelone. | 18:06 |
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| julen | here I am | 18:06 |
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| dguitarbite | ok, so this weekend we do a pair programming review. I will start sending PR's after Friday. | 18:07 |
| rluethi | hey julen! | 18:07 |
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| dguitarbite | Friday is my deadline to finalize the parser. | 18:07 |
| julen | hey rluethi! | 18:07 |
| dguitarbite | julen: Hi | 18:08 |
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| julen | I'll be quite busy on saturday, but sunday should be ok | 18:08 |
| julen | hi dguitarbite | 18:08 |
| dguitarbite | julen: Awesome, I would like your help with the parser. I have finished almost everything for the time being but I am sure that there are many bugs which have the tendency to creep in from time to time | 18:08 |
| dguitarbite | But let us discuss the python port since that is the topic | 18:08 |
| dguitarbite | or we are done discussing the python port? | 18:09 |
| julen | unfortunately I didn't have time to check the new update of rluethi, but it sounds very good | 18:09 |
| rluethi | Some issues that I am aware of or looking into: | 18:10 |
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| rluethi | VM proxy may not yet work as expected, probably needs fixing. | 18:10 |
| dguitarbite | VM proxy as in? | 18:10 |
| rluethi | depending on GUI options, console output with KVM builds may be misaligned. | 18:10 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: Are you using vish calls? | 18:11 |
| rluethi | there's a variable VM_PROXY which allows users to run all of our stuff through an http proxy. | 18:11 |
| rluethi | it was due to a bug a few weeks ago. | 18:11 |
| rluethi | yes, virsh. | 18:11 |
| rluethi | there is a log of all calls in the log directory for those who want to play along on the console. | 18:12 |
| rluethi | also useful for debugging. | 18:12 |
| rluethi | same for ssh. | 18:12 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: Ok, sounds good to me. Later on I will port it to python-libvirt bindings. For now we could still keep it dependency free. | 18:13 |
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| rluethi | you can just add a third provider for python-libvirt. | 18:13 |
| rluethi | kvm is not exactly dependeny-free, either. | 18:14 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: Yes, thatsounds better, in case someone is against installing python-libvirt module but AFAIK, it ships with libvirt most usually. | 18:14 |
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| rluethi | it is as dependency-free as I could make it. | 18:14 |
| rluethi | It would fail on OS X. | 18:15 |
| dguitarbite | Virtualbox for OS X? | 18:15 |
| rluethi | what else is there? | 18:15 |
| rluethi | there is no kvm on OS X | 18:16 |
| dguitarbite | I know, but what are the deps for VirtualBox on OS X? | 18:16 |
| rluethi | none other than virtualbox itsefl. | 18:16 |
| dguitarbite | I thought that VboxManage should ship with VirtualBox by default! | 18:16 |
| rluethi | of course it does. | 18:16 |
| dguitarbite | ok! I will take a look into this, sounds weird. | 18:16 |
| rluethi | but libvirt is not part of it. | 18:16 |
| julen | does it have some error message when trying to run kvm on windows or OS X? | 18:17 |
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| * rluethi grabs his macbook, tries it, and hangs his head in shame | 18:17 | |
| dguitarbite | julen: I assume that it should throw the appropriate error/exception or should be denied by the CLI/API itself | 18:18 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: That is ok! It is not easy to catch everything. | 18:18 |
| rluethi | of course it throws an exception because there is no virsh on os x | 18:19 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: Anymore things to discuss? | 18:20 |
| rluethi | not on this. | 18:20 |
| dguitarbite | ok | 18:21 |
| dguitarbite | #topic parser | 18:21 |
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| dguitarbite | Today I managed to fix the distro logic. I had to redesign the indices algorithm that I am using for the same. | 18:21 |
| dguitarbite | I still had to push a broken commit because I had to eat food :| | 18:22 |
| dguitarbite | I will finish it today evening and test it in the morning and push it after fixing the following parsing blocks. | 18:22 |
| dguitarbite | The algorithm is fine it is just the problem with changes in the previous algorithm for including distro block logic. | 18:22 |
| dguitarbite | By tomorrow evening I should have the parser hooked up to the training-labs repository and auto-generate required scripts and trigger a run. | 18:23 |
| rluethi | do you estimate we need to port the Newton scripts manually? | 18:24 |
| julen | that's a good question ;) | 18:24 |
| dguitarbite | Nope, we should be able to use the parser ± some manual edits on top since the parser should take a couple of weeks to be able to generate scripts which run without human supervision | 18:24 |
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| rluethi | alright then, I am counting on you. | 18:25 |
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| julen | dguitarbite: but is it already at the stage that it outputs formatted bash scripts? | 18:25 |
| dguitarbite | I will strive to make it generate expected BASH script by the time we need to start writing Newton port but that depends on some non-technical aspects of my life :\. | 18:25 |
| dguitarbite | julen: Yes, by tomorrow morning it should be, would you have some time for me tomorrow evening? | 18:26 |
| rluethi | I am curious to see how will auto-generate all the race fixes we had to put into place. | 18:26 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: Two words | 18:26 |
| julen | yes, but late.. after 20 or 21 | 18:26 |
| dguitarbite | Jinja Templates :D | 18:26 |
| dguitarbite | julen: That works for me :) ... I am not the person with strict timings. | 18:26 |
| rluethi | That's cheating :) | 18:27 |
| julen | :) | 18:27 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: Really? :P I could otherwise template it as comments ... additionally I never claimed to have the abilities to solve NP complete problems. | 18:28 |
| dguitarbite | *NP incomplete problems. | 18:28 |
| * dguitarbite Is as stupid as he thinks is not. | 18:28 | |
| dguitarbite | Anything else for the parser? | 18:29 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: By Wednesday morning you should be able to test the parser with one click training-labs style deploy. | 18:29 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: I would have a few commits to the training labs for adding a few functions to the lib folder for the parser. | 18:30 |
| rluethi | okay. I am waiting for something to turn up that I can use with osbash (or the python port). | 18:30 |
| dguitarbite | #topic Any other beezneez?!@#$%^& | 18:31 |
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| rluethi | barcelona. | 18:32 |
| julen | I think I got the OK today for Barcelona, what about you guys? | 18:32 |
| rluethi | I have taken that week off, all I need is tickets and hotel. | 18:33 |
| julen | Should we apply for a vbrownbag talk? | 18:33 |
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| dguitarbite | I will take another day, my manager is coming back tomorrow and I intend to go on a Satyagraha strike till he replies ;). I am ready to bargain down to unpaid vacations for 5 days so I can rockNroll at the summit. | 18:33 |
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| rluethi | I hope he doesn't read the IRC logs. Otherwise, your bargaining position is rather weak :). | 18:34 |
| julen | :) | 18:34 |
| dguitarbite | julen: Yes please, the topics are: #training-labs #rst2bash A parser for the community, #BOMSI, #Training-Labs python port now becomes more awesome than before. | 18:34 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: I have full faith in my team since they have clearly declared me insane for working on this project long time back, they do not bother with my work upstream. | 18:35 |
| julen | all of them? :P | 18:35 |
| dguitarbite | julen: Yes, all of them ... :D | 18:35 |
| dguitarbite | But sarcasm apart, rluethi Satyagraha ;) | 18:36 |
| * rluethi is not familiar with Gandhi's philosophy | 18:36 | |
| * dguitarbite Gandhi just used something already existing but he gave it an awesomer name though. | 18:37 | |
| dguitarbite | Ok, anything else? | 18:38 |
| dguitarbite | julen: I am looking forward to meet you in Barcelona. We could watch Faulty Towers just for the kicks ;). | 18:38 |
| rluethi | so are you going to inform us about travel plans tomorrow? | 18:38 |
| julen | dguitarbite: :) | 18:38 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: I will get julen upto date with our Barcelona plans tomorrow and also send an email for sure. | 18:38 |
| rluethi | k | 18:39 |
| dguitarbite | Ok, done for today? | 18:39 |
| julen | I'm good | 18:39 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: ? | 18:39 |
| rluethi | yup | 18:39 |
| rluethi | all good. | 18:39 |
| dguitarbite | Good night people. Talk to you soon :). Awesome progress. | 18:39 |
| julen | bye guys... | 18:39 |
| rluethi | bye | 18:40 |
| dguitarbite | bye. | 18:40 |
| dguitarbite | #endmeeting | 18:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 5 18:40:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-09-05-18.01.html | 18:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-09-05-18.01.txt | 18:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-09-05-18.01.log.html | 18:40 |
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